Brexit.

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gallsman

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 21, 2018, 06:56:26 PM
Anyone get the impression that a deal is done and this is just posturing to help May win support with the Brexiters by looking tough?
Or..
Are the EU trying to force them into a  No deal or remain situation? With a looming No-Deal scenario the support for a referendum on a No-deal would start to become overwhelming

Not in the slightest. Leaving without a deal. Border will be back.

She's too much of a f**king coward to face down the DUP,  regardless of the Remain vote in the North and she, like the rest of the Tory c***ts, genuinely appear to be shocked and appalled that the EU has had the temerity to stand behind Varadkar and the rest of those annoying little paddies.

bennydorano

The backstop is an absolute gift to The UK, with some manipulation it was a part of the UK as good as remaining in the EU, it would have been a major economic boost to NI as a whole - but as we know the DUP have the Tories over a barrel, if May had've gotten her majority at the last GE, the DUP would have been sold down the river in a heartbeat.

I think the middle ground is gone unless the EU give the UK some serious slack. It's going to be a hard Brexit or a hopefully 2nd referendum - personally think the chances of this happening are increasing.

gallsman

Only chance of a second referendum is the government falling and a , in my opinion, and I personally think chance of that happening is next to none. She'll cling to power like every leader does. Even with a GE and the possibility of a Labour government, I'm not sure there'd be a second one.

imtommygunn

I don't think there is one "senior" figure in either party who would have a second referendum. May will eventually be ousted but it will just be by someone else who is no good. Corbyn wouldn't do it either. Only hope, which i doubt will happen, is corbyn ousted and some successor does something.

Really at this stage it looks like some disasterous deal/ no deal will be done and screw the uk while the tories at the top cream profits from overseas businesses and do much better from tax breaks.

trileacman

Not fair to say May is clinging to power. Shes there because a Tory coup would likely bring a GE that the Tories would lose. So the Tories are saddled with her till such time as their poll numbers bounce, that could be in the region of years given the Brexit debacle.

May has to do very little to remain in power. Simply muddling along blindly is favourable to the Brexiteer clause as the article 50 d-day looms. No soft Brexiteers will take up the mantle whilst the hard brexit faction maintains such a grip on a balance of power.

Such a mess, it's incredible it has come to this. Davis, Boris and Gove harnessing the Machiavellian concept of the Cultural Revolution, a small faction seizing power through the creation of social and political strife. A master stroke on their behalf to be fair.
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balladmaker

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What an opportunity being gifted to the north by remaining in the EU, a foot in both camps, would be a massive cash and employment boost for the 6 counties.  The DUP headcases are happy for their electorate to languish in the current backwater to maintain the status quo.  The whole thing really is seriously depressing, unbelievable.

GJL

Quote from: balladmaker on September 21, 2018, 11:26:15 PM
What an opportunity being gifted to the north by remaining in the EU, a foot in both camps, would be a massive cash and employment boost for the 6 counties.  The DUP headcases are happy for their electorate to languish in the current backwater to maintain the status quo.  The whole thing really is seriously depressing, unbelievable.

I think it will happen despite the DUP. They will be dropped from a large height at the 11th hour.

armaghniac

Quote from: GJL on September 21, 2018, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on September 21, 2018, 11:26:15 PM
What an opportunity being gifted to the north by remaining in the EU, a foot in both camps, would be a massive cash and employment boost for the 6 counties.  The DUP headcases are happy for their electorate to languish in the current backwater to maintain the status quo.  The whole thing really is seriously depressing, unbelievable.

I think it will happen despite the DUP. They will be dropped from a large height at the 11th hour.

On the 11th night, perhaps.
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seafoid

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 21, 2018, 06:56:26 PM
Anyone get the impression that a deal is done and this is just posturing to help May win support with the Brexiters by looking tough?
Or..
Are the EU trying to force them into a  No deal or remain situation? With a looming No-Deal scenario the support for a referendum on a No-deal would start to become overwhelming

There might be something going on between May and the Euros because they both want the same thing but at the same time there is a civil war in the Tory part between the Brexit swivel heads and the rest. May has to plámás them continuously. Eg yesterday she accused the EU of driving the process into an impasse. Davis did SFA when he was leading negotiations. He does not want a deal. Neither does Rees Mogg.
I think they deserve the pulp fiction treatment.

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omaghjoe

Tony Connolly's articles are second to none for an insight on Brexit.

Salzburg was just the beginning of what was always going to be an interesting Autumn and it gave even more fireworks that expected.

Tory Party conference next week should be interesting also. The word is that the grass roots are dead against Chequers (or maybe they are just shouting loudest) so was Theresa May's posturing last week aimed at winning over them?

I suspect we will see it wheeled out again in a watered down form to appease the EU (in spite of May's tough guy facade) when it will be up for a vote at Parliament. She would be looking to Labour for support on it as the Brexiteers (and probably the DUP) will rebel.


trailer

Does anyone here own or work for a company in the ROI that exports to the UK? What's their thoughts? Surely they want a free trade deal?
We're only really getting the UK version, but surely companies in ROI and indeed France, Germany etc are shitting themselves at the prospect of a no deal Brexit?
Is there any good articles floating about regarding this?

NAG1

Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2018, 03:50:25 PM
Does anyone here own or work for a company in the ROI that exports to the UK? What's their thoughts? Surely they want a free trade deal?
We're only really getting the UK version, but surely companies in ROI and indeed France, Germany etc are shitting themselves at the prospect of a no deal Brexit?
Is there any good articles floating about regarding this?

Why?
The Brits will still require the products those countires produce, it is just to cost them significantly more than it did when they were in the EU.

If they currently importing the goods, there isnt that capability to produce themselves and this will not happen over night so therefore if they want the products they will have to import.

trailer

Quote from: NAG1 on September 24, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2018, 03:50:25 PM
Does anyone here own or work for a company in the ROI that exports to the UK? What's their thoughts? Surely they want a free trade deal?
We're only really getting the UK version, but surely companies in ROI and indeed France, Germany etc are shitting themselves at the prospect of a no deal Brexit?
Is there any good articles floating about regarding this?

Why?
The Brits will still require the products those countires produce, it is just to cost them significantly more than it did when they were in the EU.

If they currently importing the goods, there isnt that capability to produce themselves and this will not happen over night so therefore if they want the products they will have to import.

What if the cost is prohibitive and they simply won't use that product/ good/ service. They just do without?
Around 90% of Ireland's Agri products are exported to the UK. That probably includes a lot of perishable goods. Things that can't sit in customs checks.
What about costs of exporting to Mainland Europe? I don't think it just a case of Britain can suck it up.

Milltown Row2

So what if you work for an Irish company owned by a Danish company which has a global market for its goods... will that have an effect on the jobs, costs, pricing? The question has been asked but there are no answers other than 'it will be grand'
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