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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 10, 2018, 09:14:16 PM »
Sammy Wilson has just said on C4 News that the backstop proposal as it is currently proposed will lead to reunification of Ireland.

Smokin’ Joe- are the DUP taking any notice of industry groups at all?

Sammy cut a rather disheveled figure on C4, with a florid face and shirt flopping out. Real spokesman for his tribe.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 10, 2018, 02:14:41 PM »
Hope the EU/Leo don't budge an inch on the backstop. Let the Brits sort it out for themselves. Bite the bullet and have another referendum, it's the least worst option.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 07, 2018, 02:17:19 PM »
Philip Stephens' mother was from Kiltimagh


   https://www.ft.com/content/b91dd274-f895-11e8-8b7c-6fa24bd5409c

   Theresa May has lost control of Brexit
      
      
               This is what happens when parliamentary democracies shuffle off responsibility
      
         Philip Stephens

So this is what they meant by taking back control. Theresa May’s government has drawn up plans to allocate space on European ferries arriving at the British port of Dover. Trucks carrying medicines will get permits to make the crossing from Calais; so too, perhaps, those with components for vital business supply chains. Britain’s consumers have been warned. There will not be enough room for luxuries such as fresh fruit and vegetables.

Crashing out of the EU in March without a deal would see the restoration overnight of Britain’s national sovereignty. This surely would be Brexit at its purest — manna for those in Mrs May’s party seeking a complete rupture with the continent. Decisions on the opening and closing of ports and borders would be a matter for the Westminster government alone. Britain, in the lurid language of the Brexiters, would have cast off the shackles. So runs the theory. Now the reality is beginning to impose itself. Calais-Dover by a large measure is Britain’s most important trade route. It operates with the consent and co-operation of France. Whitehall officials estimate the inevitable post-Brexit imposition at Calais of EU checks and controls would cut traffic — imports to, as well as exports from, Britain — by more than four-fifths. The effect would be to choke off supplies to much of British business and leave stranded in France much of the produce destined for British supermarket shelves. So much for sovereignty.For the prime minister such horror stories — and this is one of many — are the only argument she has for the dismal deal she has negotiated with the EU27. It is not enough. The closer Brexit looms, the more obvious the prospective damage to the nation’s prosperity and security. Mrs May’s agreement would delay some of the consequences and throw a veil over others. Taken in the round, it is a charade — a hapless attempt to wish away the yawning gulf between abstract concepts of sovereignty and real national power.Those tuning in to the parliamentary debate on the agreement could be forgiven for thinking the only big problem is a so-called backstop arrangement to guarantee an open border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.


Yet the then-Brexit minister Dominic Raab stated he didn't realise fully the importance of Dover port. Unbelievable Jeff.
Strangely, I get the feeling the DUP would be secretly pleased if there was another referendum and Brexit scrapped; it would get them out of the current boghole.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 07, 2018, 02:13:45 PM »
then put it to the people in a second referendum where Remain prevails and the whole sorry mess can be put behind us.

A referendum result would need to be +60% in favour of remain to "put it behind us", I can't see that happening. A slim remain might remove the immediate problem but it doesn't go away

It might make it go away for long enough to make the electorate just not care anymore. They're probably thoroughly fed-up as it is.

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General discussion / Re: Tautologies
« on: December 06, 2018, 10:06:12 AM »
'Major roadworks ahead'   --- is there ever any such thing as 'Minor' roadworks?
'Sun (newspaper) readership'  --- anyone capable of reading surely wouldn't lower themselves to perusing that rag.
Near-miss.
Teeming crowds.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 27, 2018, 11:31:54 AM »
This is a pretty good summary:

A SHORT HISTORY OF BRITAIN AND THE EU

UK: We want a rebate on the fees.
EU: OK.

UK: We don't want to be in the Euro.
EU: OK.

UK: We don't want to be in Shengen.
EU: OK.

UK: We want a restriction on benefits until people have worked here for some time.
EU: OK.

UK: We want to stop child benefit being paid for children who aren't in the UK.
EU: OK.

UK: We want to kick out people who come here but don‘t work and can't afford to support themselves.
EU: That's fine, you already can.

UK: We want loads of preferential treatment that other countries don't get.
EU: Errr, we can‘t really give that without everyone agreeing.

UK: Don't give us what we want and we'll leave.
EU: That's a bit of an over-reaction, but your choice.

UK: OK we're leaving.
EU: Bye then.

UK: Now that we're leaving, we want all the things we had before.
EU: Errr, no, it doesn't work like that.

UK: Don't give us what we want and we'll leave with nothing.
EU: [Scratches head] OK, umm, well, yeah.

UK: We're serious, we'll walk away with nothing to teach you a lesson.
EU: Bye (again).

UK: OK Bye bye bye
EU: Bye bye bye bye bye bye bye

UK:  Hi honey, I'm home!
EU:  What kept you? Where have you been all this time?

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 23, 2018, 01:09:34 PM »
Seems we're getting Mick McCarthy back.

If he signs today, does he come with a Black Friday discount?

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 21, 2018, 02:07:55 PM »
The bridge to Scotland was a pre-emptive hint to the rest of the uk by the DUP to show how united we all are, and we’re all the same etc etc. It was points on the board before the match started.
Sure most Scots wouldn't want anything to do with the Dup.

Widnae say dat around Glasgae

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 15, 2018, 11:39:27 AM »
The Brexit minister Raab has resigned.
It is rather alarming that he is using NI as an excuse, rather than his own stupidity.

The Tory party is going to tear itself apart

But what's going to fill the vacuum? Impossible to see it being Labour under Corbyn. Will a new centre-right group emerge?

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 13, 2018, 09:52:57 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/13/northern-irish-farmers-brexit-enniskillen

Maguire, who owns and rents farmland and does not want to return to the old days when there was “nothing but trouble” on the border, said: “To be quite honest, nobody knows what’s going on.”

He fears that if tariffs are put on sheep, his sales market is dead. “The first thing that will go are the sheep. Seventy percent of them go south to be killed. If there’s barriers there, the market goes,” Maguire said.

For him, the approach of the DUP is unfathomable. The party does not represent border communities and is threatening the livelihoods of farmers on the border, he said. “The DUP are backing themselves into a corner. They are not going to agree unless it’s their way or no way. They are holding the government to ransom,” Maguire said.

Protestant Farmers to a man voted leave. They hate the "red tape" that the EU enforces in return for subsidies. They think leaving the EU will remove this. Boy are they in for a shock.

No they didn't. Border farmers of all colours knew the dangers of Brexit and voted Remain.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 13, 2018, 10:22:22 AM »
Once I seen Jim Allister on the panel, it was fairly obvious it was going to be chaotic with loads of shouting back and forth. Nolan was very poor in how he chaired the debate, he made Claire Byrne look good when you contrasted the styles.

Very little emphasis was put on the poll results which was the only thing of any real interest. All of the rest of the show was just repeating old arguments that most people are just fed up of listening to at this stage.


Mmmm... looking good is effortless for Claire.  :)

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 06, 2018, 01:01:40 PM »
End game really approaching now. Ireland / EU really needs to stand firm and call UK's bluff. No hope in hell a No-Deal will get passed in parliament so it's either a GE or another referendum (cf. Channel 4 last night). Chickens coming home to roost now for Brexiteers.

IMHO I don't think either a GE or another referendum will solve the issue. People are divided nearly 50/50 on Brexit and the two main parties are also split. What it needed from the start was a cross party delegation to negotiate.

If a referendum delivered a clear result one way or another it might finish the debate.
Even the Germans are wondering what's going on;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/06/britain-foolish-decline-boris-johnson


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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 06, 2018, 11:20:18 AM »
End game really approaching now. Ireland / EU really needs to stand firm and call UK's bluff. No hope in hell a No-Deal will get passed in parliament so it's either a GE or another referendum (cf. Channel 4 last night). Chickens coming home to roost now for Brexiteers.

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"Newbridge or nowhere"

Birr - location of first All-Ireland hurling final and subject of new book, 'The Hurlers' by Paul Rouse

The Crucible for Irish snooker successes




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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All Stars 2018
« on: November 01, 2018, 08:48:58 PM »
Ian Burke made his championship for Galway in 2017

Apols, meant it as last July 12 months.

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