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Agree with DS on the performance of the Ref and assistant officials there very very poor no protection given too (in patricular ) targeted players on one occasion Conor Glass charged/went through B Rogers and Glen still got the free ) .... also disappointed with Shane McG's shooting ... earlier in the year he was scoring from the corner flag ....

And Lavey even more disappointed

Its very hard to compare the different styles of football/footballers over a 20 year period. I remember Enda Gormley having a fantastic All Ireland both as an attacking forward and also showing a great appetite to tackle back .... Eamon Coleman always said that the teams' defence should start in the full forward line.  In the 2022 Ulster Final nobody epitomised this better than Shane McGuigan when he made a brilliant catch in the final minutes to secure victory.  In the Tyrone team that won their 3 All Irelands under Harte the played a complete team game (just as Derry did this so successfully this last few years) and the intensity of their tackling was unreal. 

Hope Derry under Harte can continue these parts of their game

Although we played Tyrone (with MH as manager) in the NFL at Celtic Park in 2011 and we beat them ... Declan Mullan was on at RHF and he had a great game.   

Something that has been missed in all this is I think the Derry players are well focussed and driven themselves.

The culture in the panel seems high and they understand that they're a Top 4 team.  If they learn the lessons of semi-final V Kerry, they'll be in a really good place in 2024, especially being in Div. 1. Panel needs beefed up a bit though.

They have a good group of experienced players who know how to win and are seriously driven.  The manager will be very important obviously but maybe not as important as many people think.

That is a very important point about made by "marty34" and we need to retain continuity going forward with this group of highly motivated and dedicated players.
If M O'R is interested he maybe at this stage doesn't want to loose his integrity / break his agreement with Glen which is entirely understandable in the circumstances.  So surely an accommodation with right thinking personnel can find a solution so that the outcome is  is a "win - win " situation for Glen, Malachy O'Rourke and Derry

Anyone at the Glen Lavey game .... are there none of the Downey family playing for them ... are they all with St Bridgets ??

and is McFaul injured ?

Meenagh gone.

Hopefully just gone on his holidays

Well was sort wondering why a no of them not on it

The footballers from Slaughneil have over the year been very committed to Derry so I don't think its an anti-county thing.  I suspect their success has been due to extra training sessions which sometimes all players aren't able to commit to at this time ..... but i have little knowledge of who has or hasn't been asked to join the panel and I would reserve judgement on the blame game.

Have to say we would have struggled to win an All Ireland in 93 without him .... after that I'm happy to read about / listen to him .... don't take him too serious .... he's mostly brings good entertainment value to a lot of stoic non-intelligent public debate on any subject and YES Joe loves to be the centre of attraction ...

[I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did.]

A lot of ifs and buts in the last page or so around who could have done better this year and who is in contention next year.

Next year is a new year and no doubt every team will have new issues and challenges. Teams will have saw how the new group type format panned out and perhaps approach next year differently so that could bring a whole different complexion to the championship.

After last year, I had Galway as serious contenders this year, but a few key injuries and a couple of flat performances meant they have dropped back again. Who knows what they will be next year. I wouldn't rule them out, but I also think they will find it more difficult to progress as the likes of Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Cork have all improved this year.

Derry could be in the same boat as Galway next year. No idea on the seriousness of the injury to McKinless for example. If we lose him to injury, or Rogers or McGuigan....the outlook for the year would be entirely different. If we keep everyone fit, sort out the management situation and find a consistent forward or 2 to support mcguigan then there's an AI there I feel. I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did. But that might be oak leaf tinted glasses - just my opinion. From what I saw in the SF and Final, Derry are better than Kerry. Yes that's controversial perhaps, but it's what I think based on those games. Division 1 will be good for Derry next year and set them up better for a tilt at the AI - provided we stay injury free.

Mayo - had their chance again this year. Only positive they can take from it is that Dublin went on to win. Not sure what sort of prospect they will be next year.

Roscommon - I just can't see it. Hard to beat, very strong at home but lack a bit of quality.

Cork - might be a surprise package next year. They have improved immensely over the course of this year. Who knows what they will do next year under a very astute manager.

Tyrone - I think they are done with the current crop. The players who were there for the AI in 2 years ago are well past their best. The 2 canavan lads will undoubtedly form the core part of their attacking play going forward. Management apparently looking to stay on for another 3 years - which for me would be a mistake. I think they need to rebuild. Short term goals would be to become competitive in Ulster again.

Monaghan - too many of the key players are over a certain age. Injuries are bound to come into play and speed too. They won't just drop away, but I also don't see them winning an AI.  A SF might be as far as they can go with this crop, but nothing wrong with that. Puts them top 4 in the country which is impressive given the population of the county in comparison to some others.

Armagh - just don't buy into the hype around them. The much lauded forward division is no-where near the quality of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway/Tyrone. They are a big physical team too focused on being hard men than playing football. But.....if they didn't play that way they probably wouldn't win half as many games so I guess you play to your strengths. Realistically, in with a decent shout in Ulster next year, but not in the race for Sam at all. McGeeney might well be getting the best out of these players right now with the system he plays.

Then you still have Kerry and Dublin.
Dublin might start the rebuilding process, possibly a number of retirements. Even if that doesnt happen, I still feel they are beatable now and not at that same level of 6 in a row.
Kerry are certainly beatable but still impressive too. Defensively much better than years gone by, but a little inconsistent in attack. They have a really good age profile though and will probably improve year on year for the

They did push them hard the game was level 3 minutes into added time and Kerry were 3 up at 2 different stages of second half. 

Loughlin/Toner wouldn't start on any other division 1 team.  Derry forward line would be well behind most of these other teams also.  McGuigan is as good as their is about but don't really have another go to forward.  McFaul, Cassidy, Doherty are all good players in own right but wouldn't be relying on them to weigh in with 3 or 4 points every day. 

Given that that Derry play a game system where when they have the ball every one attacks and when the haven't the ball everyone defends - when your'e at the the game it is only then that you appreciate that ( when they defend) how much ground that particularly Loughlin, Toner and Paul Cassidy cover when tracking back which means theyr'e not going to be in the scoring "D zone " as often when the transition to attacking mode happens. 
Derry maximise the team effort consistently to great effect but it requires a high level of fitness.  I'm sure you will have noticed that Loughlin and Toner are mostly taken off after 60ish mins and replaced with Herron and Murray

[So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.]

I wouldn't say that Kerry are just a two man effective forward division (ie David C and Sean O'S )  and credit must be given to a good Derry system that nullifying their other forwards. 

The final will take on a 'life of its own' as all Kerry and Dublin games do. 

So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and  their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.

The ref will have a big bearing on the flow of the game !!!

Do youse boys know anything about Dublin and Kerry

Last All Ireland final between Kerry and Dublin was in 2019 and having looked into it there was 19 pages on the thread three days before the drawn final so for whatever reason the same interest isn't there for this Kerry v Dublin final on here.  September final made a difference back then?

Aye that's true but there an awful lot more Social media options being activated than this Discussion forum ... also maybe Mayo & Tyrone being completely out of the picture makes a big difference too

I wouldn't say that Kerry are just a two man effective forward division (ie David C and Sean O'S )  and credit must be given to a good Derry system that nullifying their other forwards. 

The final will take on a 'life of its own' as all Kerry and Dublin games do. 

So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and  their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.

The ref will have a big bearing on the flow of the game !!!

Just a story that comes to mind. 
Before Errigal Ciaran became an official Club entity i Tyrone,   Peter Canavan was registered to be eligible to play County Football for Tyrone on the basis of being a Registered Member of a Hurling Club in Tyrone.  So there is no issue with for eg: Shea Downey playing for St Bridget's while he lives in Belfast and playing his County Football with Derry.

Aye Brilliant performance from the New Minor All Ireland Champions

Second game in a row to blow away the opposition ( Dublin and Monaghan ) with 14 lads

The quality of their play is just outstanding