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Teachers in the wee six not doing so well

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.

Ye but is it not a 10 month contract? Her hourly rate over them weeks is higher?

UK workers are guaranteed a minimum of 28 days paid leave per year. This can include bank holidays, but many employers add them on top, so employees in England get a minimum of 36 days, or 7 weeks and 1 day (more in Wales, Scotland, and NI).

Typically schools will have the following breaks:

Autumn half-term - 5 days
Christmas - 11 days (inc. three bank holidays)
May Day (bank holiday)
Spring half-term - 5 days
Easter - 10 or 11 days (inc. two bank holidays)
Summer half-term - 5 days (inc. one bank holiday)
Summer - 30 days (inc. one bank holiday)

So that makes 67 or 68 days, of which eight are bank holidays, and 28 are the same entitlement most other employees get. That leaves 30 or 31 days that are "extra." Some of those may be inset days where kids are at home, and schools closed, but teachers are still there working. The first two days of the next Summer break are inset days. This whittles the "extra" down to 28 or 29 days.

1,265 hours a year.

Exactly ........

Teachers in the wee six not doing so well

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.

Ye but is it not a 10 month contract? Her hourly rate over them weeks is higher?

UK workers are guaranteed a minimum of 28 days paid leave per year. This can include bank holidays, but many employers add them on top, so employees in England get a minimum of 36 days, or 7 weeks and 1 day (more in Wales, Scotland, and NI).

Typically schools will have the following breaks:

Autumn half-term - 5 days
Christmas - 11 days (inc. three bank holidays)
May Day (bank holiday)
Spring half-term - 5 days
Easter - 10 or 11 days (inc. two bank holidays)
Summer half-term - 5 days (inc. one bank holiday)
Summer - 30 days (inc. one bank holiday)

So that makes 67 or 68 days, of which eight are bank holidays, and 28 are the same entitlement most other employees get. That leaves 30 or 31 days that are "extra." Some of those may be inset days where kids are at home, and schools closed, but teachers are still there working. The first two days of the next Summer break are inset days. This whittles the "extra" down to 28 or 29 days.

Just start the season a bit later and let county players play more football with their clubs

What do the club players do for most of the year then? Are we really trying to cram club leagues and Championships from late July onwards?

The idea that club players should only play as much as county players are available is madness. There must be some form of competition not involving county players

Hence why the split season was created...

How about we look at what counties put forward teams that do not play in their relevant Junior and Intermediate Leagues .

In Cavan there aren't Senior/intermediate/junior leagues I presume? They're called division 1,2 & 3, therefore no link to the championship grades?

Nobody seems to have a problem with Drumaness playing division 3 and junior championship in Down, whilst Bosco were playing division 4 and intermediate? They have a system of championship relegation play offs and therefore there's no link between championship and league. If they adopted a linked system then Bosco might well have won a junior championship this year, but they were able to retain intermediate status by once again winning in the relegation play offs.
I find it odd that people are insistent that there should be a link between the two. Surely championship relegation play offs when clubs have all their county players available etc is a much fairer way of grading teams rather than basing it on their league form earlier in the year, in what is a essentially a secondary competition.

I wonder is there an argument or evidence that teams that link have better Ulster club contenders and county teams?

b]It's not complicated[/b].

It's not, but it is stupid. All three of your championship winners played in Division 1.

"Hai but days how we do things here in cyyyyyavan"

Not much wonder you couldn't understand the Cavan Championship system.

Of course I understand it. I find it ridiculous however. Find me another county whos div 1 teams play junior championship

You were reduced to making fun of the Cavan accent. Do you really think you have any credibility on the topic any more?

And people from mullahoran too

b]It's not complicated[/b].

It's not, but it is stupid. All three of your championship winners played in Division 1.

"Hai but days how we do things here in cyyyyyavan"

Not much wonder you couldn't understand the Cavan Championship system.

Of course I understand it. I find it ridiculous however. Find me another county whos div 1 teams play junior championship

b]It's not complicated[/b].

It's not, but it is stupid. All three of your championship winners played in Division 1.

"Hai but days how we do things here in cyyyyyavan"

Onto piss taking now. Nice one.

Well we all know what Mullahoran is famous for 😉

b]It's not complicated[/b].

It's not, but it is stupid. All three of your championship winners played in Division 1.

"Hai but days how we do things here in cyyyyyavan"

I understand what is being said about Avra, and the league and championship being separate, it just seems a bit abstract that a senior league team is playing the lowest championship tier.  Intermediate wouldn't be as big a shock. 

Regarding Cullyhanna, they had been slowly regressing for a while this past 10 years and wouldn't have been competing consistently for senior honors.  A bad year last year doomed them to intermediate, but it was always a threat of happening. 

I think they will fair grand back in the senior league, but don't be fooled into thinking they are going to be swinging at the top 3/4 teams next year either. 

100% but the Cavan folk don't want to hear...

I'm alm

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Meath are the same

I'm almost certain it was a Croke Park directive that resulted in the unlinking of league and championship in Galway football anyway.
Around 2011 if memory serves.

That's totally fine with the volume of clubs in your county. It evens out over the 5/6/divisions.

Big when you have 3 divisions, 3 championships..

But not linked for numerous reasons. Please try and grasp that

So this year you considered Arva a junior club? Do you hear yourself?

Yes. Got relegated from intermediate in 2021, and lost a Junior final last year. Any way you look at it, their Championship form shows they were a Junior club this year. You're trying to base an unlinked League where they finished bottom. Are you hearing yourself?

You a deluded individual if you're calling Arva a junior team this year end of. As the poster above states it's ridiculous.. a gaa man can not accept that Arva competed in the top division of Cavan football and can not admit they played senior league football.

I'm alm

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Meath are the same

I'm almost certain it was a Croke Park directive that resulted in the unlinking of league and championship in Galway football anyway.
Around 2011 if memory serves.

That's totally fine with the volume of clubs in your county. It evens out over the 5/6/divisions.

Big when you have 3 divisions, 3 championships..

But not linked for numerous reasons. Please try and grasp that

So this year you considered Arva a junior club? Do you hear yourself?

I'm alm

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Meath are the same

I'm almost certain it was a Croke Park directive that resulted in the unlinking of league and championship in Galway football anyway.
Around 2011 if memory serves.

That's totally fine with the volume of clubs in your county. It evens out over the 5/6/divisions.

Big when you have 3 divisions, 3 championships..

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Do they have junior champ teams playing div 1?

It's not as far away as the griping above would make you believe.

There won't be a perfect system. There won't even be a close to perfect system. You can't stop stars aligning.

Three simple measures should be easy to implement across the board:

1. When a club wins its county's IFC or JFC, for the subsequent season, they must play at a higher championship level. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

2. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 10th place or higher, then they must compete in their county's SFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

3. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 20th place or higher, then they cannot play in their county's JFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.


No. 1 is a no-brainer.

Nos. 2 and 3 could run into logistics issues in smaller counties, but in those cases the ranges could be adapted accordingly.

I know I know I know that in some in counties they don't take league football seriously. But you know what? There's clubs everywhere forking out a fortune for management teams and toys all year round. The least they could do in return is try harder in league football.

Good points but some counties obviously have more clubs. The issue I have with Cavan is they actually have 3 divisions , same as Tyrone and Monaghan.

How any Cavan man can come here and argue that it's totally fine their 3 representatives this year playing div 1 football had no bearing on the championship is talking through their hoop.

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

We'll take your league seriously so. County teams do... it's a similar system.

Maybe, but it's not so you're just going to have to deal with that. In future if they do, then we'll go forward with that. However, the facts remain that league is not taken as seriously here, and the Championships the clubs were in, they deserved to be there on prior results which were taken seriously. Try to retroactively place them in different Championships based on League would be far less right.

Jeez like, it's not as if Cavan is gaming the system here. We've overall a very poor record in Ulster in all 3 Championships, and a few teams making some inroads and such isn't a systematic gaming of it. At the end of the day, Cavan sends out its 1st, 13th, and 27th best teams based on Championship results (some counties have higher ranked teams in Intermediate/Junior than those). Some years those Cavan champions are decent and go well, most years they're not. It's been the Cavan system for a long time, and a few success at Junior level recently is not saying the system is rigged or such. If anything these are the exception, not the rule. Deal with it

I believe Ulster council is planning to regulate with motions been brought by counties.

Your record is because of your system. Owen Lennon noted it in Kingscourt this year in an interview. How do you expect to do well in championship and develop if you take the league as Mickey Mouse.