Quote from: Rossfan on Today at 04:21:25 PMAhh it's just the "Nordies against change" bellyaching again.
The move from 21 aside to 17 aside was the start of the slippery slope I tell ya.
It has been zero days since the Freestarters were last at it
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Rossfan on Today at 04:21:25 PMAhh it's just the "Nordies against change" bellyaching again.
The move from 21 aside to 17 aside was the start of the slippery slope I tell ya.
Quote from: thewobbler on Today at 03:19:46 PMQuote from: JoG2 on Today at 02:28:37 PMQuote from: thewobbler on Today at 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
Well considering 85% approx of money generated filters down to the clubs, we all win?
Where's that figure coming from?
HQ is clearly contributing to player injury insurance. And it pays for the IT infrastructure (Foireann).
But I did a 5 year stretch as a treasurer until recently. And i don't actually recall a direct benefit coming from HQ during that time.
Was I filling in the wrong forms?
Quote from: thewobbler on Today at 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 08:13:29 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2024, 07:13:02 PM2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.
Joyce called it out as well, two men with common sense, few Derry wans losing their minds here.
Quote from: tiempo on April 17, 2024, 04:16:11 PMThe phrase 2 bald men fighting over a comb springs to mind
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 02:02:04 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2024, 01:55:28 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 12:31:25 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 11:42:20 AMArmagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?Would have to be seen as a step backwards wouldnt it?
If we lose to Down its a disaster. Looking at potential final opponents- we beat Cavan last year easily so you'd want to be doing the same, we drew with Derry so losing to them would be a backward step, Donegal were shit last year so questions would need asked if they managed to leapfrog us with a new manager. Wouldnt even want to contemplate losing to Tyrone!
if we get to the final and were beat, again (forget about this draw nonsense, they beat us hence they are the defending champions), by Derry it wouldnt be a step back in my eyes.
Arguably last year was a failure by Armagh given we had played in a higher division and the shenanigans around derry in te lead up to the final. This year, again presuming it is us and derry in the final, derry go in as league champions with a multiple all ireland winning manager and we, well, we dont. Thye played at a higher level than us all year also.
Though it really isn't nonsense they won a penalty shoot out based on rules introduced by Croke Park to compress the GAA season under the guise of Club Welfare (what has a penalty shoot out got to do with a GAA match), but really for the leasing of Croke Park over the summer as a business venture. That aside another year under Geezer with nothing to show would be a failure.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree.
QuoteYou are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 16, 2024, 04:29:55 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 03:48:04 PMThis site is making the over projection of a Derry v Armagh final. I rather literally take it one game at a time, this Saturday could see us out on our ass very handy,
100%
I've been saying all along, Donegal could knock us out in the first round.
I'd love to see us win another Ulster - but if we get beaten on Saturday it wouldn't be a huge shock.
Donegal were in the final 2 years ago and we just beat them.
Quote from: Armamike on April 16, 2024, 03:50:16 PMFrom Kieran taking over until the past 2 years Armagh struggled for years to get a win or two in the Ulster championship and that has been the most disappointing thing for me. Not being able to beat teams they could/should have been beating over 6 or 7 years. That's not all down to lack of underage success. We have though improved markedly in terms of conditioning and tightened up a good bit at the back. Seem better organised these past 2 years but the question is still very much out on whether they can take the next step, i.e. get through tight games and win something or get further than a quarter final.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
Quote from: ranch on April 16, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
It definitely is, anybody who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
Quote from: markl121 on April 15, 2024, 07:38:36 PMhow many counties would a train station in clones benefit?Armagh, hoor's only have trains to Belfast and the rest of the place connecting via Dublin the critters
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2024, 12:53:21 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 14, 2024, 11:24:45 AMI think this is the case. Most people would have issues with the some of the proposals put forward by the trans movement. But equally most would refrain from calling them freaks. There's people from both sides on this board and all levels in between.Quote from: Armagh18 on April 14, 2024, 09:41:01 AMI certainly don't view trans people as freaks. Trans rights shouldn't trump womens' rights tho (& their right to feel safe in women only areas), that seemed to be the road it was hurtling down for a long time. A section of the trans movement appear to not want to assimilate into society either. I don't care if they want to assimilate or not but I don't think society should have to put up with some of their outrageous nonsense either. They should have equality in society, they should also respect others in society.Quote from: bennydorano on April 14, 2024, 07:46:17 AMHas there been a bit of a sea change in general opinion? Seems to be a bit of common sense entering the debates - previously dismissed or shut down debates imo.The average person has common sense with these freaks. But they get called out for it so are afraid to say much.
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 03, 2007, 04:04:55 PMNot as nice as the current 'brown' away kit.