Should An Glenn object?

[seafoid]

If I'm a Glen player or a Kilmacud player I have no interest in playing this match again. If I'm a committee member I might look at it differently. There is a disconnect between committee GAA people and those involved in playing and coaching. This row has the capacity to cause deep divisions in both clubs. It is largely media (and social media in particular) driven and I'd say without the input of Joe Brolly it probably wouldn't have gained anywhere near as much traction.

This is so true. I'd be surprised if the Glenn players to a man agree with this decision and even now how would you approach this game with all the negativity swirling around it?

Some Glenn players just won't want to be there and certainly motivation could be very low within the camp.

There are no winners.

It wouldn't have to be played immediately. The last 10 days or so have been very emotional . Plus it's a long season.

[Blowitupref]

If I'm a Glen player or a Kilmacud player I have no interest in playing this match again. If I'm a committee member I might look at it differently. There is a disconnect between committee GAA people and those involved in playing and coaching. This row has the capacity to cause deep divisions in both clubs. It is largely media (and social media in particular) driven and I'd say without the input of Joe Brolly it probably wouldn't have gained anywhere near as much traction.

His comments doesn't have that much of an influence. It drew such traction with the images posted of the extra players on the field.

I'll be surprised if this match is eventually replayed. kilmacud crokes on their appeal will ship the blame towards the officials.

[seafoid]

If KC refuse to replay they will have to be stripped of their title. There is no point in  replaying a match that has been won according to the rules.
I think that is what today's decision means.
The only way KC could have been champions would have been with a fine.

[Eire90]

i think most neutrals are bored of the  whole thing now anyway.

[Milltown Row2]

If Glen win it through KC refusing to play the replay will it have a big Asterisk or a small one beside it? Would they celebrate it?

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/31/gaas-hands-were-tied-once-glen-objected-but-nothing-inevitable-about-replay/

Seán Moran
Tue Jan 31 2023 - 18:25
Could this all have come at a worse time for the GAA? For a start there has been the low-frequency embarrassment of the matter playing out for more than a week – and for who knows how much longer.
Then, arises the fundamental problem of fitting a replay into a spring-loaded schedule that confidently made no provision for a second day, having ordained "winner on the day" protocols for the All-Ireland club finals.
[ GAA orders replay of All-Ireland final between Kilmacud Crokes and Glen ]
As a result, players have gone on holidays and regathering everyone will take time. The replay if it is to take place is most likely to happen on the weekend of March 12th, which is a rest weekend for the football league.
On Tuesday the Central Competitions Control Committee issued its decision. It has been the subject of much criticism over past week and a half for failing to make a decisive intervention and cut off the controversy's supply of oxygen.
If they were taking precedent into account, they were correct to wait. Objecting to an All-Ireland final outcome is a big step to take and if the noises from Croke Park since shortly after the final suggested a replay would be the most likely remedy, there was also the hope that this would not be triggered.
To be fair to the authorities, they had precedent in support of this stance. The 1995 All-Ireland final had seen Dublin's Charlie Redmond sent off but remain on the field of play. The incident is an interesting illustration of the elasticity of time or at least its perception.
Almost immediately his illicit moments on the field were being estimated at two minutes but pretty quickly, this had stretched to four or five. Even last week when this was being cited in the current context, a national website referred to Redmond spending "three minutes" on the pitch after his dismissal.
It was actually 28 seconds during which time he didn't touch the ball nor did play approach him. By comparison Kilmacud supernumerary Dara Mullin spent 38 illicit seconds on the field before realising he shouldn't be there and making his way off.
Tyrone players decided not to challenge the one-point defeat on such a tenuous basis. "We had our chance to win it and we weren't going to win it in the boardroom," said Peter Canavan on RTÉ a few days ago.
In the club final replay of 2007, Crossmaglen Rangers benefited from an extra player for the final quarter of the match against Dr Crokes of Killarney because the referee hadn't ordered off John McEntee for a second yellow card, shown in the 45th minute.
McEntee was prudently substituted four minutes later and his team completed the match with 14 rather than 13 men – for further complication, two other players, one from either side, were more conventionally sent off during the second half.
Few thought the additional man had impacted on the result (Cross won 0-13 to 1-5) but 15 minutes is a long time compared to 38 seconds and 28 seconds.
In the aftermath, inevitably the question of an objection was posed. "Absolutely not. That is not our form. The bottom line is I have gone in and congratulated them," said Croke's manager, Pat O'Shea when dismissing the possibility.
At the time of writing it's not clear what the Dublin champions will do about the decision. They can go to the Central Appeals Committee but in the absence of any obvious procedural flaw, the most likely destination is the Disputes Resolution Authority.
It is not unreasonable for the CCCC to wait until an aggrieved club decides how badly they want the remedy. Should the committee or its predecessors have intervened in the above cases regardless of the wishes of the defeated team?
It's worth noting that whereas Tyrone in 1995 were faced with an impossible choice, as rules at that time would have required Dublin on objection to forfeit the title, Dr Crokes' were subject to the current, more nuanced rule book with its range of penalties and could have pushed for – and almost certainly secured – a replay

Once activated by Glen's objection, the CCCC's task was straightforward. They had to adjudicate on whether there had been 16 players on the field, which didn't take long, and the next question was which of the three penalties to impose.

It had already been intimated that a replay would be their choice – "depending on circumstances" being taken to mean that there were just two points separating the teams rather than what actually happened in the 38 seconds that Mullin remained on the field and whether he could realistically be said to have influenced the outcome.
This is "strict liability" reading of Rule 6.44. It wasn't necessary for Kilmacud to have done anything wrong – the GAA acknowledged the failings of the match officials in allowing this to happen – just for there to have been too many players on the field.
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Once that was determined and there had been less than a score in the difference, there was no choice but to come to the decision they did.
Kilmacud's contention that the referee's report is "sacrosanct", whereas broadly true doesn't take into account that certain matters can be raised after a match and this is one of them, as provided by the rules.
At the time of writing it's not clear what the Dublin champions will do about the decision. They can go to the Central Appeals Committee but in the absence of any obvious procedural flaw, the most likely destination is the Disputes Resolution Authority.
Coincidentally, the very first issue heard by the DRA involved Kilmacud Crokes and their Dublin player, Mark Vaughan and whether the county championship was the same competition as the provincial championship for the purposes of suspension.
It wasn't and Kilmacud won the DRA's very first decision. They'll be most anxious to win what may well be the tribunal's next case.

[RedHand88]

Would KC feel right winning the title with extra players? If the replay didn't happen, would it feel tainted?

[Milltown Row2]

Would KC feel right winning the title with extra players? If the replay didn't happen, would it feel tainted?

They seemed ok after the final. Knowing they did have an extra player as that came out on the sideline at the time didn't it?

[An Fhairche Abu]

i think most neutrals are bored of the  whole thing now anyway.

Plus one for this

[Mourne Red]

If Glen win it through KC refusing to play the replay will it have a big Asterisk or a small one beside it? Would they celebrate it?

Kilmacud just pull a Chelsea and plays the cash on transfers and win it next year no biggy to them

[north_antrim_hound]

Croke park played a blinder here, say or do nothing and if it doesn't go away and their hand is forced no one will want a replay by that stage. Those monkeys at Jones road are natural born politicians.

[Franko]

i think most neutrals are bored of the  whole thing now anyway.

Plus one for this

Not sure about this

If this board is anything to go by

I don't know if there's a Glen or Crokes man on here

But we've still had 10-odd pages of discussion today alone


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Driven, for the most part, by a Galway man

[Rossfan]

Rest of us more interested in our teams in the NFL.

[Armagh18]

If Glen win it through KC refusing to play the replay will it have a big Asterisk or a small one beside it? Would they celebrate it?

What do you think.

[Milltown Row2]

If Glen win it through KC refusing to play the replay will it have a big Asterisk or a small one beside it? Would they celebrate it?

What do you think.

Personally I don't care, we've won it already on the pitch