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AI club final controversy

Yes - Typical Dubs up to no good as usual
30 (19.1%)
No - Typical Nordies causing mischief as usual
21 (13.4%)
Should not have to. GAA HQ should already have called a replay
106 (67.5%)

Total Members Voted: 157

Voting closed: January 26, 2023, 11:37:12 AM

Author Topic: Should An Glenn object?  (Read 20356 times)

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #195 on: January 25, 2023, 11:18:09 AM »
A small referring error that did not effect the outcome of the game has been blown all out of proportion with Joe Wally leading the charge.

Take a step back and have a lie down if needs be.

Glen objecting is absolute desperation stuff. If the GAA succumb to loud mouths in the press and order a replay, KC should politely decline and send the cup up the road in a taxi.
Why do people keep coming out with this line of tripe? We have no idea one way or the other if it had an impact or not on the outcome of the game. It certainly had impact on that passage of play, whether it changed the outcome or not. Even if only 1 in 20 of these last gasp chances end in goals, whos to say it wasnt to be Glens lucky shot? We have no idea and that much is 100% certain.

Are we going to replay every game in which refs make a mistake? The probability of Glen scoring a goal was low. Glen took the 45 before ref blew the whistle. It's the stuff of desperation on their behalf.


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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #196 on: January 25, 2023, 11:20:05 AM »
A small referring error that did not effect the outcome of the game has been blown all out of proportion with Joe Wally leading the charge.

Take a step back and have a lie down if needs be.

Glen objecting is absolute desperation stuff. If the GAA succumb to loud mouths in the press and order a replay, KC should politely decline and send the cup up the road in a taxi.
Why do people keep coming out with this line of tripe? We have no idea one way or the other if it had an impact or not on the outcome of the game. It certainly had impact on that passage of play, whether it changed the outcome or not. Even if only 1 in 20 of these last gasp chances end in goals, whos to say it wasnt to be Glens lucky shot? We have no idea and that much is 100% certain.

Are we going to replay every game in which refs make a mistake? The probability of Glen scoring a goal was low. Glen took the 45 before ref blew the whistle. It's the stuff of desperation on their behalf.


It's really not and as with all of these things they gauged public opinion and it's in their favour so they're going ahead with it which is their right!

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #197 on: January 25, 2023, 11:20:21 AM »
Some people are losing the run of themselves on this thread, some of the wild theories being thrown about are clear nonsense. A mistake was made on the sideline by the officials not to notice the player hadn't come off simple as that. Anybody suggesting Crokes deliberately left the man on the field as some sort of last minute ploy that's been hatched since last years final needs their head examined.

If it was the other way round would there be the same social media pile on looking a replay?

Agreed, can't imagine there's full agreement within the Glen camp on this either.
It shouldn't be a matter of opinion. It's the rules. The GAA should have dealt with this on Sunday. Social media loves a vacuum.

If a player takes 34 steps it's up to the ref to decide but 16 players goes against a fundamental rule of the game. Adding a player would be equivalent to changing the dimensions of the pitch.

Imagine in rugby if Ireland were 6 points down in the last minute and threw on an extra forward in a rolling maul or an extra back to get an overlap to beat NZ in the World Cup Final.
It would be insane.

What KC did was insane. Or else a tragedy of oversight. You can't have an extra man on the goal line.
It renders the win null and void.
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #198 on: January 25, 2023, 11:22:04 AM »
A small referring error that did not effect the outcome of the game has been blown all out of proportion with Joe Wally leading the charge.

Take a step back and have a lie down if needs be.

Glen objecting is absolute desperation stuff. If the GAA succumb to loud mouths in the press and order a replay, KC should politely decline and send the cup up the road in a taxi.
Why do people keep coming out with this line of tripe? We have no idea one way or the other if it had an impact or not on the outcome of the game. It certainly had impact on that passage of play, whether it changed the outcome or not. Even if only 1 in 20 of these last gasp chances end in goals, whos to say it wasnt to be Glens lucky shot? We have no idea and that much is 100% certain.

Are we going to replay every game in which refs make a mistake? The probability of Glen scoring a goal was low. Glen took the 45 before ref blew the whistle. It's the stuff of desperation on their behalf.


It's really not and as with all of these things they gauged public opinion and it's in their favour so they're going ahead with it which is their right!

Public opinion? Twitter and Joe Wally?

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #199 on: January 25, 2023, 11:29:35 AM »
A small referring error that did not effect the outcome of the game has been blown all out of proportion with Joe Wally leading the charge.

Take a step back and have a lie down if needs be.

Glen objecting is absolute desperation stuff. If the GAA succumb to loud mouths in the press and order a replay, KC should politely decline and send the cup up the road in a taxi.
Why do people keep coming out with this line of tripe? We have no idea one way or the other if it had an impact or not on the outcome of the game. It certainly had impact on that passage of play, whether it changed the outcome or not. Even if only 1 in 20 of these last gasp chances end in goals, whos to say it wasnt to be Glens lucky shot? We have no idea and that much is 100% certain.
Absolutely. Especially given the way Crokes lost last year and the fact Glen almost scored a goal not too long before from a ball in.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #200 on: January 25, 2023, 11:35:03 AM »
Moral Hazard: Lack of incentive to guard against risk where one is protected from its consequences

That is the one compelling reason for a replay - the setting of a ridiculous precedent. 
If this is let go, then teams protecting a slender lead can sneak on an extra player to see the game out.




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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #201 on: January 25, 2023, 11:36:36 AM »
I think the other compelling one is to stop the GAA copping out of these decisions and trying to put any blame on teams that are involved. That should not be allowed.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #202 on: January 25, 2023, 11:37:03 AM »
I think the other compelling one is to stop the GAA copping out of these decisions and trying to put any blame on teams that are involved. That should not be allowed.
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #203 on: January 25, 2023, 11:38:49 AM »
A small referring error that did not effect the outcome of the game has been blown all out of proportion with Joe Wally leading the charge.

Take a step back and have a lie down if needs be.

Glen objecting is absolute desperation stuff. If the GAA succumb to loud mouths in the press and order a replay, KC should politely decline and send the cup up the road in a taxi.
Why do people keep coming out with this line of tripe? We have no idea one way or the other if it had an impact or not on the outcome of the game. It certainly had impact on that passage of play, whether it changed the outcome or not. Even if only 1 in 20 of these last gasp chances end in goals, whos to say it wasnt to be Glens lucky shot? We have no idea and that much is 100% certain.

Are we going to replay every game in which refs make a mistake? The probability of Glen scoring a goal was low. Glen took the 45 before ref blew the whistle. It's the stuff of desperation on their behalf.
No, just the ones were it clearly states in the rulebook what the outcome of those mistakes or rule breaches are, and when a team has appealed and are proven to be correct. Its not  really that difficult. If the referee made a clear blunder not to give Glen a stonewall penalty at the end, no one including Glen would be appealing the outcome of the game and talking about a replay.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #204 on: January 25, 2023, 11:40:49 AM »
The other aspect not considered yet, if Glen are offered a replay, will they take it. This could be about Glen doing what we all want to see, make the Gaa take responsibility.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #205 on: January 25, 2023, 11:46:29 AM »
The other aspect not considered yet, if Glen are offered a replay, will they take it. This could be about Glen doing what we all want to see, make the Gaa take responsibility.

Lots of people have said Glen might not take the replay, even Glen people themselves.

Now hearing rumours that kilmacud won't play though, not sure what happens in that instance

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #206 on: January 25, 2023, 11:48:57 AM »
A small referring error that did not effect the outcome of the game has been blown all out of proportion with Joe Wally leading the charge.

Take a step back and have a lie down if needs be.

Glen objecting is absolute desperation stuff. If the GAA succumb to loud mouths in the press and order a replay, KC should politely decline and send the cup up the road in a taxi.
Why do people keep coming out with this line of tripe? We have no idea one way or the other if it had an impact or not on the outcome of the game. It certainly had impact on that passage of play, whether it changed the outcome or not. Even if only 1 in 20 of these last gasp chances end in goals, whos to say it wasnt to be Glens lucky shot? We have no idea and that much is 100% certain.

Are we going to replay every game in which refs make a mistake? The probability of Glen scoring a goal was low. Glen took the 45 before ref blew the whistle. It's the stuff of desperation on their behalf.
Goals are more likely to be scored when players are tired , in Fergie time , ie in the last 5 minutes.
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #207 on: January 25, 2023, 11:52:09 AM »
KC will never replay it and they're dead right. Absolute desperation stuff.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #208 on: January 25, 2023, 11:52:39 AM »
Are we going to replay every game in which refs make a mistake?
No only those where the rules say the offence/mistake is serious enough to warrant a reply.

The probability of Glen scoring a goal was low.
The probability of scoring a goal in the last kick of the game is always low, but it still happens frequently enough and for that reason you can't definitively say it wouldn't have happened here. After all, the odds were against Kilcoo scoring a goal at the death to win it last year but guess what happened? They did. You can't definitively say they would done so had Kilmacud an extra defender in the danger area that day too. So "probability" has precisely NOTHING to do with the debate.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #209 on: January 25, 2023, 11:53:39 AM »
Are we going to replay every game in which refs make a mistake? The probability of Glen scoring a goal was low. Glen took the 45 before ref blew the whistle. It's the stuff of desperation on their behalf.

This isn't only a question of the referee. In this case, the other team broke the rules by not bringing their player off.
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