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Re: NFL Division 1 2023
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2023, 09:50:48 AM »
Wild how a couple of penalties has Galway rated so much higher than us. Probably right though, a lot of young lads being blooded this year and another years mileage in the legs of older lads. Be glad to avoid relegation this year.

That's one way of looking at it. You could also argue that they were a good bit better than Armagh over the 70 minutes and should really have won pretty comfortably. Their failure to defend high balls late on certainly raised questions about them but they still scraped through on the day. The fact that they subsequently beat Derry pretty comfortably and were very much in the game late on in the final suggested they had answered those questions. Natural enough that the beaten finalists would be rated higher than the beaten quarter finalists really.

Will be a very interesting league. Big questions for me: Can Galway and Armagh build on those breakthrough seasons. Can Tyrone bounce back from such a poor year. Are these Donegal and Monaghan sides in terminal decline. Will McStay push Mayo back up a level or two. Don't have the answers but looking forward to the months ahead.
I’m only winding. Looking forward to seeing how we’re looking after promising signs last year can we build on it. I can see Tyrone bouncing back and having a good league. Mayo will be flying for the league but I’m not sure they can replace Keegan and Mullin effectively, 2 class players that will be missed. Other lads another year older as well. Think one of Monaghan and Donegal will go down with the Rossies. Ourselves and Galway will be interesting to put it mildly, Armagh will be rocking that day.

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Re: NFL Division 1 2023
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2023, 10:04:33 AM »
Seems our lads may as well concede all 7 games now and concentrate on the AI series.
New manager who will have to try out a load of new lads while testing older lads for appetite etc it's no wonder we're hot favourites for the drop.
We'll see how it goes but a few early points on the table will be vital.
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2023, 10:23:00 AM »
Seems our lads may as well concede all 7 games now and concentrate on the AI series.
New manager who will have to try out a load of new lads while testing older lads for appetite etc it's no wonder we're hot favourites for the drop.
We'll see how it goes but a few early points on the table will be vital.
Looking forward to playing you boys, always a good exciting game!

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2023, 11:52:53 AM »
Monaghan scraped home last year and Roscommon tend to be up and down a bit too so they could drop.
It's going to be interesting to see Donegal work around the loss of Murphy too.

A fair few teams are in flux with stalwarts leaving but the betting for the top and bottom 3 looks right.
Monaghan 'scraped home' by defeating/condemning Dublin and ended up with 6 points??  that was luxury compared to one or two other years.


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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2023, 11:57:00 AM »
Odds before the first match are very ropey because there is no data.

Here are the odds for the first 3 rounds in 2020 for division 1 . Monaghan were unrated, like now

Odds NFL Division 1 by week
   
         
Dublin       13/8     1/1              5/4
Kerry       3/1     11/4          7/2   
Galway       8/1     12/1         11/2   
Tyrone        9/1     20/1          20/1     
Mayo              10/1     28/1         9/1   
Donegal       10/1      6/1          16/1     
Monaghan    40/1     25/1         14/1   
Meath      150/1    500/1       500/1   
      
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2023, 12:22:13 PM »
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from  Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2023, 12:38:03 PM »
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from  Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
They’re a tough tough team to beat. Dogged as f**k

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2023, 12:44:13 PM »
Galway need a good league after the disaster of 2021.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-o-se-galway-s-defeat-at-the-death-to-monaghan-is-shocking-and-unforgivable-1.4594401
Monaghan have gone into the last game of the league needing a result three or four times and they’ve always managed to find it. Why are they able to do it and teams like Galway aren’t?
I know you can say the league is the league or whatever but Galway are one of the teams that will only develop properly in Division One. The way they shot themselves in the foot in the closing minutes of that game gave me the impression they didn’t really understand what was at stake. They didn’t protect the ball, they didn’t protect their goal, they didn’t protect their lead. It must be killing Joyce that they gave up a Division One spot so cheaply.  In the first five games of the 2020 league they beat Monaghan, only lost to Kerry in injury time, walloped Tyrone and beat both Donegal and Meath on their home patches. They were top of Division One, they had the most goals of anyone in the country. They were flying.
Look at what they’ve offered since. Hammered by Mayo on their first day back in October. Beaten by Dublin the following week. Lost by a point to Mayo in the Connacht final. On to this year’s league and they’ve been trounced by Kerry, lost to the Dubs, beaten Roscommon and now caught at the death by Monaghan. They’ve gone from a run of four wins from five games to one where they have just one win from their last seven.

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2023, 12:45:35 PM »
Seems our lads may as well concede all 7 games now and concentrate on the AI series.
New manager who will have to try out a load of new lads while testing older lads for appetite etc it's no wonder we're hot favourites for the drop.
We'll see how it goes but a few early points on the table will be vital.
The odds don't mean anything at this stage. The division is very uncertain with the Dubs thios and so much managerial churn.
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2023, 12:46:58 PM »
Seems strange to see a division one with no Dublin.

League winners: Kerry
Relegated: Monaghan and Roscommon


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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2023, 12:49:42 PM »
Seems strange to see a division one with no Dublin.

League winners: Kerry
Relegated: Monaghan and Roscommon
Not sure how full on Kerry will be for the league this year. Can see the Clifford boys getting a break for a bit, you’d like to think.

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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2023, 12:52:32 PM »
Seems strange to see a division one with no Dublin.

League winners: Kerry
Relegated: Monaghan and Roscommon
Not sure how full on Kerry will be for the league this year. Can see the Clifford boys getting a break for a bit, you’d like to think.

That would make sense to give them a month or so off and then come back to try and defend their AI title. I still think they could have enough without those 2 lads to beat the rest, they have a serious strength in depth and competition for places will drive them.

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2023, 01:04:15 PM »
Seems strange to see a division one with no Dublin.

League winners: Kerry
Relegated: Monaghan and Roscommon
Not sure how full on Kerry will be for the league this year. Can see the Clifford boys getting a break for a bit, you’d like to think.

That would make sense to give them a month or so off and then come back to try and defend their AI title. I still think they could have enough without those 2 lads to beat the rest, they have a serious strength in depth and competition for places will drive them.
David probably hasnt had a break in well over a year given he had sigerson last year as well.  We would definitely feel more confident going down the road not having to worry about those 2 anyway lol

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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2023, 02:03:18 PM »
Odds before the first match are very ropey because there is no data.

Last year Dublin were regarded as likely to win Div 1 and Armagh to get relegated, but the first game caused at least some  reassessment.
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2023, 03:04:04 PM »
Galway need a good league after the disaster of 2021.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-o-se-galway-s-defeat-at-the-death-to-monaghan-is-shocking-and-unforgivable-1.4594401
Monaghan have gone into the last game of the league needing a result three or four times and they’ve always managed to find it. Why are they able to do it and teams like Galway aren’t?
I know you can say the league is the league or whatever but Galway are one of the teams that will only develop properly in Division One. The way they shot themselves in the foot in the closing minutes of that game gave me the impression they didn’t really understand what was at stake. They didn’t protect the ball, they didn’t protect their goal, they didn’t protect their lead. It must be killing Joyce that they gave up a Division One spot so cheaply.  In the first five games of the 2020 league they beat Monaghan, only lost to Kerry in injury time, walloped Tyrone and beat both Donegal and Meath on their home patches. They were top of Division One, they had the most goals of anyone in the country. They were flying.
Look at what they’ve offered since. Hammered by Mayo on their first day back in October. Beaten by Dublin the following week. Lost by a point to Mayo in the Connacht final. On to this year’s league and they’ve been trounced by Kerry, lost to the Dubs, beaten Roscommon and now caught at the death by Monaghan. They’ve gone from a run of four wins from five games to one where they have just one win from their last seven.

This reads absolutely terribly 12 months later. Hindsight and all but D2 last year gave Galway the opportunity to gain a few much needed wins and confidence after two shortened championships where one loss had them out. It didn't hinder Mayo whatsoever the year before and id hazard a guess it wont hinder the dubs in the slightest this year.

Getting to D1 is important for counties trying to establish themselves such as Cork and to a lesser extent Derry this year. For those that have had 2 or 3 years in the division already, a drop back to two for a year doesn't matter much at all. If anything, it'll be easier going forward to get good seeding for the championship by promotion through div 2 than it will be by avoiding relegation in D1. **If you don't win your provincial**, D1 survivors and those promoted from D2 will be No.3 seeds most likely. Relegated teams from D1 will likely be No.4 seeds. Provincial finalists will be 1 & 2
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