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rosnarun

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Re: Ticket Prices
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2023, 09:17:47 AM »
the GAA is not soccer or Rugby but they compete with thim everywhere for players for space in cities for supporters ETC and they do Charge Much less to attend matches than any of the other but while they Charge at all , Some people will be whinging.
They cannot compete without a pot to piss in. As for Cashless games the biggest benefit for dodgy is its much harder to dip into
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Re: Ticket Prices
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2023, 09:42:17 AM »
If you think there haven't been many improvements in the GAA in the last 30 years then I don't know what to say!

There has been improvements. But nowhere near enough to justify the excessive and evergrowing middle fat of people that the association now employs. The GAA does not have a need to be an industry.

What would your vision of the GAA be? All voluntary? Genuinely interested to hear

To be honest, I’m not sure. I just know the current direction - whereby seemingly everyone can get paid except the players - frustrates and annoys me.

What especially annoys me is the bloat, whether it be in club senior management teams (think about the value and returns of paying 4-5 men separately to run a 90 min training session), or in our ever-expanding regional and national boards (generating power points to run courses aimed at people who can’t think for themselves).

What is absolutely grinding my gears is some of our neighbouring clubs taking in professional coaches for juvenile players. I don’t care if there’s a grant for it. The thinking behind these decisions is so absolutely short term. Within a decade, the knock on effects of this will become clear: volunteers will dry up. Members will ask for expenses then money to coach teams (“well if he’s getting it, why can’t I?”). More pro coaches will be needed to fill the void. The cost of running a juvenile team will soar tenfold - which will be passed onto parents. The game will become as middle class as rugby. And you know what, our clubs won’t be better off for it. Some players will be better coached some of the time, but they’ll never have the same passions instilled in them that comes from volunteers doing it for the love of the game. And one thing for sure. This will not solve the player drop off conundrum.

My earlier point about the quality of football we now get for the money we pay to watch it, is no better or or worse than 25 years ago. The players are undoubtedly more skilful and better conditioned. But all that money, all that focus on coaching, has reduced the entertainment levels, not improved them.

I guess if you were to really push me for what I’d like, it’s for a change in ethos to be written into the constitution and then battered into administrators all across the land. The ethos would simply state “there are no careers in Gaelic Games”. This doesn’t mean some people wouldn’t get paid some of the time. It would just hopefully change the ethos back to what we used to have ie fix our problems ourselves, and pursue our futures ourselves - don’t just throw money at it.

Reducing ticket prices to little above the cost of entry would be a key driver.

What clubs have professional coaches at underage level? That's mental

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2023, 01:45:08 PM »
RANT


Rising ticket prices is another clear sign that the paid bureaucrats across our association, have firmly wrestled control (and strategy) away from the volunteers.

As summary of how it works:

A well-meaning provincial volunteer officer identifies that the association could benefit from placing a full-time coaching officer in the province, to provide leadership, direction etc.

After 6-12 months in post the new officer identifies and propositions that the need an S&C specialist officer too, who initially starts on a part time time basis, but quickly “proves the need” for a full time role.

Now there’s two of them, and they’re full to the gills of plans for how to improve everything GAA. They push and proposition hard that a dedicated nutritionist is needed, and a specialised primary schools lead coach is needed. And voila they appear.

Of course at this point they need a (well-paid) head of department to oversee their progress, and it’s only right that these coaches pass on their skills to the next generation, so they all enjoy at least one of a junior officer and/or a university placement student.

With all these staff floating around, there’s now a clear need for a HR manager and a recruiter. Plus an office admin because none of the coaches are ever on hand. So we’ve a new department, and need a head of operations to lead them.

And at this point it would be folly not to have a well-paid CEO to set the vision and shake hands with everyone.

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That’s been the path of the GAA during my adult life.

Every year the Association expands its employee base and wage bill.

And you don’t need an accountant to realise that the only sure fire way to ensure that profits continue in an upward trend, is to raise ticket prices.

Why a non-profit organisation needs to have an upward trend in profits has always  baffled me, but that’s for another day.

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The most pertinent question to ask here isn’t why ticket prices have to go up. This is obvious. The right question to ask is whether 30 years or so after the first full time officers came on board, has the Association improved any for their “efforts”?

It has. There’s been improvements.

But not a lot.

We (the clubs) have a lot more paperwork to do as a result of all these officials being in place. We (the followers) have currently a worse end product, due to over over conditioned, mistake-free football coached across the board. And to pay for this bureaucracy, we (the fans) are getting shat upon by ticket prices.

Personally I’ve no interest in the GAA being a commercial organisation. I don’t want to see it competing with soccer.

I’d truly love to decimate the paid ranks of the GAA.

Very good post. This gradual take over of GAA teams by the merry go round coaching fraternity has definitely not resulted in a better spectacle. Yes, the players are more skilled and better conditioned than ever but the games are often dull and lack excitement. Most of the money is being sucked out of the association by a small army of paid coaches, nutriotinists, S & C coaches etc The hundreds of members in each club help fill the coffers to pay a handful of these same merry go round managers. While this growing upward pressure on income remains, the cost to individual members and the paying public has to increase proportionately be it through tickets sales, sponsorship or live streaming. The rising ticket prices are only a symptom of the growing costs which the GAA have failed to address.

If there are an average of 40 clubs in each county I'd guess that at least 30 of those are paying coaches. If the average cost of a senior management team is £30k (some will be considerably more, some will be less) that is almost £1m per county that clubs are paying out on senior management set ups. There is a large part of the problem. 

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Re: Ticket Prices
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2023, 03:49:19 PM »
My biggest gripe is all these fball clubs hiring coaches with no chance of winning the local championship. Going round selling tickets, not for bringing the youth up, but to paid a mercenary blow in's extreme amounts of money. Yes it works stimes, but at what long term cost.

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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2023, 05:01:17 PM »
My biggest gripe is all these fball clubs hiring coaches with no chance of winning the local championship. Going round selling tickets, not for bringing the youth up, but to paid a mercenary blow in's extreme amounts of money. Yes it works stimes, but at what long term cost.
True. Sometimes it's the only option though. A lot of thick c***s about and managing in your own club can quickly become a nightmare, lifelong friendships taking a beating.

Regards entertainment value and coaching methods and tactics, I'm afraid the genie is out of the bottle on that one never to return. Strength, size and endurance are dominating factors in team selections and ball retention in game play. That's one good thing about soccer, fundamental skill still the overriding factor despite all the advances in tactics, sports science and supplements. An argument for a different thread, but I think if the 4 steps and tackle rules were strictly enforced, we'd see a more open game with bulk and power less effective.

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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2023, 08:57:34 PM »

What clubs have professional coaches at underage level? That's mental

I think he means development officers in clubs who look over all aspects of all underage teams + possibly help with schools too.

I know of one close to me and it was an advertised paid position with over 30 hours a week.

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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2023, 10:36:17 PM »
I think alot of attacking play been coached out of Derry. But again this form of fball prevalent at Senior club level in the county too.