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Re: Greatest player never to win an all Ireland
« Reply #135 on: January 19, 2023, 02:01:24 PM »
Ciarán Whelan.

Proper piss take answer. No surprise that Dublin bookended All Ireland's around his career. No mobility and even less ability.

whelan definitely not one of the best ever, but wasn’t a bad player either, that goal against Armagh in 2002 was everything you’d want from a midfielder. He’s is however the most boring pundit going.

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Re: Greatest player never to win an all Ireland
« Reply #136 on: January 19, 2023, 03:02:05 PM »
"When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.“ - Thomas Sowell.

What is the truth about Mayo ?

They'll never win it. They're a loser county, with a loser mentality. They grow up watching losers, playing with losers and they become losers. A county that has supposedly produced some of the greatest players ever* and they never won it. They have been to alter umpteen times and ended up bottling it. That is the cold hard facts Mayo unfortunately. I wish them well.

*Citation needed
They have 3 all Irelands, all won before Tyrone won anything I think

If Tyrone could drop the mantle of perennial chokers so can Mayo.

Black n White All Irelands.

With no backdoor safety net

Suits the weaker teams straight knock outs. Mayo probably wouldn't have any AI if there was a back door.
Neither system really suits weak teams. The third system is money which worked very well for Dublin.
Lookit

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Re: Greatest player never to win an all Ireland
« Reply #137 on: January 19, 2023, 03:17:31 PM »
I thought the 2015 semi-final was indicative of that Mayo team.
They did brilliantly to come from 7 points down to draw level with Dublin, then Diarmuid Connolly got a red card and Alan Brogan got injured so it was 15 v 13 with a few minutes left. Instead of using their 2 extra men to go hell-bent on getting the winning scores, they held back, content that they had come from 7 points down to draw level. They had too much respect for Dublin, why would any team be happy to take a draw against a team down two players?
It was the same in many other games, where in the 4th quarter they often did well to come back into games or draw level, but never having that edge to really go for it once level late in the game.
The exception being the 2021 semi-final, but then fading badly in the final where the real difference between the team for most of the game was the taking of goal chances, but then Mayo deflated in the final stretch.

You do know that the ball was in play for ABOUT 30 SECONDS after Connolly and Brogan incidents before the referee blew the final whistle?

Regardless of the time, there were 2 passages of play during 15 v 13 that stood out
- when Mayo had possession they barely committed anyone forward, while if they had gone all-out for a score, their 2 man advantage should have made it easy enough to eke out a decent scoring chance
- then when Dublin had possession, Dublin passed it around at the back to see out the draw when Mayo should have pressed them and 2 extra players would have given them a good chance of a turnover, but instead were happy with a draw.

Contrast that with Kerry v Dublin last year, 15v15, with 20 seconds left and Dublin in the ascendancy, with momentum and pressing hard on the Kerry kick-out, Kerry stayed with 6 at the back, avoiding the temptation of an extra body back to help win their own kick-out, then after winning the kick-out, the 6 forwards, 2 midfielders and 2 or 3 backs pushed forward in search of a winning score instead of being happy to see out time and take it to extra time.

P.S. It was similarly frustrating to see Kerry do the same v Dublin in 2019 with an extra man, although that was more when 1 point up rather than when level. 4 or 5 of Kerry backs just stood around doing nothing instead of swarming up the field to help keep possession and see out time or get the insurance point.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2023, 03:23:32 PM by blanketattack »

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Re: Greatest player never to win an all Ireland
« Reply #138 on: January 19, 2023, 03:52:30 PM »
I thought the 2015 semi-final was indicative of that Mayo team.
They did brilliantly to come from 7 points down to draw level with Dublin, then Diarmuid Connolly got a red card and Alan Brogan got injured so it was 15 v 13 with a few minutes left. Instead of using their 2 extra men to go hell-bent on getting the winning scores, they held back, content that they had come from 7 points down to draw level. They had too much respect for Dublin, why would any team be happy to take a draw against a team down two players?
It was the same in many other games, where in the 4th quarter they often did well to come back into games or draw level, but never having that edge to really go for it once level late in the game.
The exception being the 2021 semi-final, but then fading badly in the final where the real difference between the team for most of the game was the taking of goal chances, but then Mayo deflated in the final stretch.

You do know that the ball was in play for ABOUT 30 SECONDS after Connolly and Brogan incidents before the referee blew the final whistle?

Regardless of the time, there were 2 passages of play during 15 v 13 that stood out
- when Mayo had possession they barely committed anyone forward, while if they had gone all-out for a score, their 2 man advantage should have made it easy enough to eke out a decent scoring chance
- then when Dublin had possession, Dublin passed it around at the back to see out the draw when Mayo should have pressed them and 2 extra players would have given them a good chance of a turnover, but instead were happy with a draw.

Contrast that with Kerry v Dublin last year, 15v15, with 20 seconds left and Dublin in the ascendancy, with momentum and pressing hard on the Kerry kick-out, Kerry stayed with 6 at the back, avoiding the temptation of an extra body back to help win their own kick-out, then after winning the kick-out, the 6 forwards, 2 midfielders and 2 or 3 backs pushed forward in search of a winning score instead of being happy to see out time and take it to extra time.

P.S. It was similarly frustrating to see Kerry do the same v Dublin in 2019 with an extra man, although that was more when 1 point up rather than when level. 4 or 5 of Kerry backs just stood around doing nothing instead of swarming up the field to help keep possession and see out time or get the insurance point.

Ah for god sake ......... 30 Seconds........They were playing Gaelic football not basketball!

74:34 Mayo Keeper takes Kickout
74:54 Dublin win a free

(20 seconds of play with a man up from Connolly sending off.)

74:54 stoppage for Brogan Injury.

75:35 Dublin take free backward to retain possession.

75:46 final whistle.

(11 seconds of play with Dublin holding possession.)

31 seconds in all.


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Re: Greatest player never to win an all Ireland
« Reply #139 on: January 19, 2023, 05:36:11 PM »
I thought the 2015 semi-final was indicative of that Mayo team.
They did brilliantly to come from 7 points down to draw level with Dublin, then Diarmuid Connolly got a red card and Alan Brogan got injured so it was 15 v 13 with a few minutes left. Instead of using their 2 extra men to go hell-bent on getting the winning scores, they held back, content that they had come from 7 points down to draw level. They had too much respect for Dublin, why would any team be happy to take a draw against a team down two players?
It was the same in many other games, where in the 4th quarter they often did well to come back into games or draw level, but never having that edge to really go for it once level late in the game.
The exception being the 2021 semi-final, but then fading badly in the final where the real difference between the team for most of the game was the taking of goal chances, but then Mayo deflated in the final stretch.

You do know that the ball was in play for ABOUT 30 SECONDS after Connolly and Brogan incidents before the referee blew the final whistle?

Regardless of the time, there were 2 passages of play during 15 v 13 that stood out
- when Mayo had possession they barely committed anyone forward, while if they had gone all-out for a score, their 2 man advantage should have made it easy enough to eke out a decent scoring chance
- then when Dublin had possession, Dublin passed it around at the back to see out the draw when Mayo should have pressed them and 2 extra players would have given them a good chance of a turnover, but instead were happy with a draw.

Contrast that with Kerry v Dublin last year, 15v15, with 20 seconds left and Dublin in the ascendancy, with momentum and pressing hard on the Kerry kick-out, Kerry stayed with 6 at the back, avoiding the temptation of an extra body back to help win their own kick-out, then after winning the kick-out, the 6 forwards, 2 midfielders and 2 or 3 backs pushed forward in search of a winning score instead of being happy to see out time and take it to extra time.

P.S. It was similarly frustrating to see Kerry do the same v Dublin in 2019 with an extra man, although that was more when 1 point up rather than when level. 4 or 5 of Kerry backs just stood around doing nothing instead of swarming up the field to help keep possession and see out time or get the insurance point.

Ah for god sake ......... 30 Seconds........They were playing Gaelic football not basketball!

74:34 Mayo Keeper takes Kickout
74:54 Dublin win a free

(20 seconds of play with a man up from Connolly sending off.)

74:54 stoppage for Brogan Injury.

75:35 Dublin take free backward to retain possession.

75:46 final whistle.

(11 seconds of play with Dublin holding possession.)

31 seconds in all.

You should join CSI Castlebar.

Kerry had less playing time v Dublin with it 15v15 and still went gung-hu for a winning score, Mayo should have done likewise.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2023, 05:38:23 PM by blanketattack »