Greatest player never to win an all Ireland

[From the Bunker]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

[Gmac]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

2017 was mayos to win ,  after the Keegan goal they got a free in front of the posts and the dubs were getting a man sent off unfortunately Vaughn got a rush of blood and it all blew up , hard to win after that with the same players.

[From the Bunker]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

2017 was mayos to win ,  after the Keegan goal they got a free in front of the posts and the dubs were getting a man sent off unfortunately Vaughn got a rush of blood and it all blew up , hard to win after that with the same players.

So basically that Mayo team needed to be a man up in order to beat Dublin?

[Gmac]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

2017 was mayos to win ,  after the Keegan goal they got a free in front of the posts and the dubs were getting a man sent off unfortunately Vaughn got a rush of blood and it all blew up , hard to win after that with the same players.

So basically that Mayo team needed to be a man up in order to beat Dublin?

no but would they ever have been in a better position?

[From the Bunker]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

2017 was mayos to win ,  after the Keegan goal they got a free in front of the posts and the dubs were getting a man sent off unfortunately Vaughn got a rush of blood and it all blew up , hard to win after that with the same players.

So basically that Mayo team needed to be a man up in order to beat Dublin?

no but would they ever have been in a better position?

So in reality Mayo were not good enough. They needed a huge slice of luck. As you said Mayo's best chance of winning an AI against Dublin was being a man up.

[Gmac]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

2017 was mayos to win ,  after the Keegan goal they got a free in front of the posts and the dubs were getting a man sent off unfortunately Vaughn got a rush of blood and it all blew up , hard to win after that with the same players.

So basically that Mayo team needed to be a man up in order to beat Dublin?

no but would they ever have been in a better position?

So in reality Mayo were not good enough. They needed a huge slice of luck. As you said Mayo's best chance of winning an AI against Dublin was being a man up.

ah ok chief

[Armagh18]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

2017 was mayos to win ,  after the Keegan goal they got a free in front of the posts and the dubs were getting a man sent off unfortunately Vaughn got a rush of blood and it all blew up , hard to win after that with the same players.

So basically that Mayo team needed to be a man up in order to beat Dublin?

no but would they ever have been in a better position?

So in reality Mayo were not good enough. They needed a huge slice of luck. As you said Mayo's best chance of winning an AI against Dublin was being a man up.

Not fair to say they weren't good enough. Was nothing between those teams. Dubs got their luck with the 2 own goals/Mayo shooting themselves in the foot with red cards, handy scores missed etc etc.

[seafoid]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

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Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

Kerry won 5 handy  all Irelands by beating Mayo and Cork between 1997 and 2009  .
The 2 teams didn't turn up in most of those matches. It's about psychology. This is what Cyril Farrell was on about.
There is no way that Mayo were not good enough for all of the finals they lost.

[Armagh18]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

n
Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

Kerry won 5 handy  all Irelands by beating Mayo and Cork between 1997 and 2009  .
The 2 teams didn't turn up in most of those matches. It's about psychology. This is what Cyril Farrell was on about.
There is no way that Mayo were not good enough for all of the finals they lost.

The 04 and 06 Mayo teams were probably miles away from that Kerry team tbf. Psychology probably came into it in 2012 against Donegal and in a couple of the tight finals win the Dubs.

[From the Bunker]

Bit of myth that Mayo went man to man to be honest but they certainly had good man markers especially the recently retired Lee Keegan. Both got numbers back when they needed to and attacked with pace in those Dublin and Mayo finals however the amount of switching off with the concession of careless goals will make Mayo look back in anger as much as anything IMO.

Cyril Farrell on getting the Galway hurlers over the line and how Mayo footballer are so similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYSAsPqg1A&t=3112s

I'd liken Mayo's plight to Waterford. Waterford had their golden generation of players the same time as one of the best (if not the best)Kilkenny teams.

The problem predates Horan. The 04/06 sequence was another example

From the 70s to  the early 90s Connacht teams could not beat Leinster or Munster teams at AISF stage. until Mayo beat Kerry in 1996.
It was the same in club football. Could not win an all Ireland. Clann na nGael lost 5. This was ended when Corofin won in 98, opening the floodgates.
The Galway hurlers ended the hurling hoodoo in 1980.
Kiltormer broke the club hurling duck in 1992. Afterwards Galway teams won another 12.

Mayo is the last great unfinished job.

The 04/06 Mayo teams were not in any way good enough to win an All Ireland. Tyrone and Kerry were a good bit ahead in that era!

2017 was mayos to win ,  after the Keegan goal they got a free in front of the posts and the dubs were getting a man sent off unfortunately Vaughn got a rush of blood and it all blew up , hard to win after that with the same players.

So basically that Mayo team needed to be a man up in order to beat Dublin?

no but would they ever have been in a better position?

So in reality Mayo were not good enough. They needed a huge slice of luck. As you said Mayo's best chance of winning an AI against Dublin was being a man up.

Not fair to say they weren't good enough. Was nothing between those teams. Dubs got their luck with the 2 own goals/Mayo shooting themselves in the foot with red cards, handy scores missed etc etc.

Between 2013 and 2020 Mayo met Dublin 8 times in the Championship their record was 0-2-6.
Between 2013 and 2020 Mayo met Dublin 8 times in the League their record was 0-1-7

So the record in League and Championship from 2013 to 2020 is 0-3-13.

There is a Myth here that these games were a rivalry, they were a procession of Dublin winning.

[Armagh18]

Yeah the Dubs cruised home in all of those games Mayo shouldnt have bothered showing up...

[From the Bunker]

Yeah the Dubs cruised home in all of those games Mayo shouldnt have bothered showing up...

In fairness they did their best against a Superior team with one of the strongest benches in the history of Gaelic football who got to play all their finals (and semi-finals) at home. Sometimes you are just not the good enough at the era you emerge into.

[seafoid]

 Maybe Mayo weren't good enough in 04/06 and came up against the greatest ever in 2013-20 but does Mayo not have any agency ?

[From the Bunker]

Maybe Mayo weren't good enough in 04/06 and came up against the greatest ever in 2013-20 but does Mayo not have any agency ?

Mayo 2013-17 pulled out all the stops. They put less value in the connacht championship to peak for September. They played in 2nd gear through countless Leagues campaigns, just doing enough for Div 1 survival. Dublin just burned them off in the end. No wins in the League or Championship from 2013 to 2020 had to have had an affect as time went on! 

[Captain Obvious]

Maybe Mayo weren't good enough in 04/06 and came up against the greatest ever in 2013-20 but does Mayo not have any agency ?

They weren't good enough in 2004/06. 2013-20 included championship exits to Kerry, Kildare and Dublin wasn't overly great in the 2013,2016,2017 finals. Games there to be won by Mayo however found different ways to lose them and that will hurt the most as the years past by and another good player such as Lee Keegan retires.