RG at arms length

[Armagh18]

So does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?

Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.

[Truthsayer]

So does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?

Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.

Not quite what Hayes was convicted of... had a row with a fellow?... with others dealt out an unmerciful beating on their victim who was lying on the ground causing him serious facial injuries. . let's be accurate
 

[RedHand88]

So does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?

Yes.

[nrico2006]

If you can be run out for allegedly being violent towards someone then surely a proven unprovoked violent attack should lead to the same conclusion.

[ck]

So does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?

Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.

If RG punched your brother and punched your mother would you see these as equal?
Any many who beats up a woman is the scum of the earth in my book.

[JoG2]

So does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?

Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.

If RG punched your brother and punched your mother would you see these as equal?
Any many who beats up a woman is the scum of the earth in my book.

You're completely missing the point

[tonto1888]

I think the difference is that RG is a manager/coach and isnt doing that for free

[Armagh18]

So does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?

Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.

If RG punched your brother and punched your mother would you see these as equal?
Any many who beats up a woman is the scum of the earth in my book.

Exactly. RG far worse.  (Although RG is obviously only alleged)

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Darren Gleeson?

[Saffrongael]

Darren Gleeson?

Be interesting to see how long this lasts as his conviction was raised before & the mods went into full shutdown mode.

Complaining about besmirching his reputation, even though he was convicted and it was all in the public domain

[Milltown Row2]

So there are, ok convictions and there are bad non convictions, there is bad convictions and good convictions

Will the guy that stabbed the ref get back into the club or should he be roaded out of the community and that GAA circle or can that be resolved with some therapy and resolution?

Plenty of people are happy to sit behind a computer and spout (myself included) without the fear of having to back up accusations

[Truthsayer]

Simple fact is RG has not been convicted of any offence. You can't just ban someone because of what someone else says about them... Hayes on the other hand has been convicted in a court of law. Huge difference. Whether Hayes should be banned is a whole other debate. Personally id like to see him play on and be rehabilitated.

[93-DY-SAM]

To take the RG scenario, it was all based on social media claims. There has been a Garda investigation and RG has custody of his kids and there has been no criminal prosecution.
So if the GAA take action against someone based on social media claims then I don't know where that will end.

If someone has been found guilty of a crime in a court or law, then depending on the crime the GAA should take action. Even during a trial they would be within their rights to stand someone down pending an outcome. But I think it has to be crime dependant - for example, if someone was in court for failing to pay their TV licence and was found guilty I wouldn't expect them to be sanctioned within the GAA. If they were found guilty of fraud/murder/assault etc its obviously a different question as they could pose a risk to the organisation or its members. To the best of my knowledge, there are no GAA regulations around someone's criminal past being a factor when participating in GAA though I could be wrong.

In the RG case, if he'd been found guilty in a court of law, or even prosecuted I think the GAA would be within their rights to stand him down to protect others he could come in contact with. But since he hasn't, they have no grounds to do that imo.

Lord save us and bless us, someone applying common sense to things instead of knee-jerk reactions based on social media.

[imtommygunn]

Exactly. If he's not guilty in the eyes of the law the GAA can't really start applying their own law.

It's different for county boards etc and their own discretion. Yes there's the severity, there's what he is supposed to have done etc but he hasn't been found guilty in the eyes of the law.

Hayes was and it's disappointing how Limerick have done what they've done.

Don't get me wrong morally I would be against either or them being involved but if you don't let Gallagher be involved then where do you draw the line so I don't see how the GAA can ban him at all.

[trueblue1234]

Is it a classic example of the GAA acknowledging that gaa managers aren't in it for just the love of the game without actually coming out and saying that?
I'm trying to think of players who have been banned for any convictions? Are the gaa, off the record, treating managers to a higher level of scrutiny than players because they are making money on their involvement with the gaa.
Whole lot of worms spilling over the place. That said, the GAA would have faced a backlash if they had done nothing as well. Sometimes there's no way to win.