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Title: tyrone reserve football
Post by: HUNKY DORYS on April 14, 2014, 12:38:40 AM
Just thought I'd introduce a new thread for reserve football as it plays a big part in our club game. many reserve players may also appreciate putting their opinions across regarding their club, respective league and championship matches. . post way and enjoy!!
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 14, 2014, 08:14:31 AM
Are Clonoe reserves still the team to beat in D1?
Probably Pomeroy in D2 and Fintona in D3.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Up The Middle on April 14, 2014, 03:00:06 PM
I would say division 1 will be between the usual 4 or 5 teams, Clonoe, Errigal, Carrickmore, Dromore and Ardboe.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Club Rossa on April 14, 2014, 03:12:59 PM
Cookstown reserves went well last season too until they met Clonoe in the championship.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: HUNKY DORYS on April 14, 2014, 04:21:52 PM
CLonoe definitely set the pace in the reserve league and championship. Good settled team. Ardboe seem to be there or thereabouts. Team changes frequently due to lads pushing for seniors etc. We had a decent win against moortown y.day. But few lads just back training and from injury so too early to say about them being  contenders.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 14, 2014, 05:01:59 PM
I have seen a lot of players who are top quality reserve players. Unmarketable at times. Put them in the senior team and they can't even preform the basics of the game.

Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: HUNKY DORYS on April 14, 2014, 06:40:40 PM
Very true. Think there could be a few reasons for that, senior game is a lot more intense and faster!! Another reason could be that in the reserve team they are the go to men, while in the senior match they are fringe players. Egos etc around the senior team could also be off putting.
A lot of football is confidence based, if this is knocked forget about it.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 15, 2014, 08:29:39 AM
Reserve Football needs a complete revamp in Tyrone imo.

First off any delays in the senior programme shouldn't delay the reserve season being completed.
It might be beneficial to play the senior game as the first game on the billing. This will help with clubs who have small panels where lads have to double up- this is especially important with the BC.

Personally I think the reserve league should probably be a completely separate thing with promotion and relegation. Games played on a Friday night.
At the moment if you are playing reserves and on the senior panel its a long day. You might leave the house at 1 and not home to 6.30 or so.

Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on April 15, 2014, 08:52:20 AM
Friday evening games for the reserves seems like a logical step, you will have a fresh senior bench for Sunday and you wont have to worry about lads taking a feed of drink the night before and not turning up. Both the league and championship could be finished up over the summer months as the county team will have no affect on reserve fixtures.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: everymanaman on April 15, 2014, 09:42:42 AM
I have seen a lot of players who are top quality reserve players. Unmarketable at times. Put them in the senior team and they can't even preform the basics of the game.

Bet you most of them can spell though!!
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 15, 2014, 09:56:41 AM
I have seen a lot of players who are top quality reserve players. Unmarketable at times. Put them in the senior team and they can't even preform the basics of the game.

Bet you most of them can spell though!!

I'm sure you got the general gist. Great input to the thread though  :o :o :o ::)
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: nrico2006 on April 15, 2014, 10:35:03 AM
Are Clonoe reserves still the team to beat in D1?
Probably Pomeroy in D2 and Fintona in D3.

Strabane always have a very good reserve team and they've started the league well by beating Clonoe.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 16, 2014, 02:09:41 PM
Checking in for the stiffs  :D  I have played quite a bit of senior football down through the years but Id imagine the majority of the rest of my playing career will be for the reserves and at the end of the day its all about playing football that matters, no matter what the level. 
I agree that it probably needs a revamp and maybe should move towards the way that counties like Fermanagh for example work in that the reserve game is played on a seperate day and clubs can be promoted and relegated as normal.  Would make the thing a whole lot more competitive and it would probably be taken a lot more serious by a lot of clubs.

Anyone know if this has ever been proposed at a county board meeting? 
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: tyroneboi on April 16, 2014, 03:44:42 PM
I'd be inclined to agree about a separate reserve league but my suggestion would be split the county east and west and have 2 leagues of 12 (or whatever the split is) and run the league off from that. Reason being it may be hard to gather a reserve team on a Friday night if derrytresk had to travel to urney for example. Championship could then be run as an all county thing. Think some kind of change in structure should be tried out sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 16, 2014, 04:14:55 PM
I'd be inclined to agree about a separate reserve league but my suggestion would be split the county east and west and have 2 leagues of 12 (or whatever the split is) and run the league off from that. Reason being it may be hard to gather a reserve team on a Friday night if derrytresk had to travel to urney for example. Championship could then be run as an all county thing. Think some kind of change in structure should be tried out sooner rather than later.

Not a bad idea that. Four divisions. East D1, East D2, West D1, West D2. All Friday night games.

Current system doesn't work- esp in smaller clubs where lads double off. We took lads off at half time in reserves at the weekend to save them for senior game- weren't used but then there were no black cards- in this instance our reserves went on to win the game- but chances are that wouldn't happen every week.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Fionntamhnach on April 16, 2014, 11:42:29 PM
Would agree that a new reserve league & championship format should be trialled. I'm not sure an east/west split on its own would be enough though as in the west some significant travelling could still happen, e.g. Clann na nGael or Owen Roes away to Fintona or Trillick, for example. You'd also need to tighten up the lists of 12 that are submitted.

Just as an example for a potential format (rip it apart if you want!)

League - All-County "main" reserve league, 20 teams, two divisions of 10 teams each, double round-robin (18 games). Bottom two in Div 1 relegated to Div 2, top two in Div 2 promoted. Bottom two teams in Div 2 relegated to "local" tier, third from bottom into promotion/relegation play-off. "Local" tier below all-county division 2 reserve league; split the county into either two or three districts. e.g. for two districts, east & west, have hopefully in the region of 14-16 teams competing in each district. Each district split into two divisions of 7-8 teams each. To expand, West Tyrone Reserve Football League divisions 1 & 2 - team finishing top of WTRFL Div 1 is promoted to ACRFL Div 2. Team finishing second in WTRFL Div 1 plays off against second in ETRFL Div 1, winner then plays 8th in ACRFL Div 2 in promotion/relegation play-off. Bottom team in WTRFL Div 1 is relegated to WTRFL Div 2, replaced by WTRFL Div 2 winners. Runners-up in WTRFL Div 2 play against second from bottom in WTRFL Div 1 in promotion/relegation play-off. Same idea for promotion & relegation of teams in an East Tyrone RFL.

Championship - All teams playing in that years ACRFL play in the Tyrone Reserve "A" championship. Preliminary round involving the eight lowest finishing teams in the reserve league in the previous year before first round proper. Reserve "B" Championship competed for by west & east Tyrone Div 1 teams, Reserve "C" championship by west & east Tyrone Div 2 teams.

Second reserve (or "third") teams - a club that either has a reserve team in the ACRFL or in division 1 of a district league would be allowed to field a third string. This third team would not be allowed to play in the all-county reserve league, nor be promoted into Div 1 of their district league if their second string is to play in West/East Div 1 the next season - promotion or play-off rights would be granted to the team finishing below them.

Current rule that allows ACL reserve Div 2 and Div 3 league games to be played 13-a-side if at least one team cannot field 15 players to remain in place for West & East reserve leagues. All championship games plus promotion/relegation play-offs remain 15-a-side.

Games where practical played on Friday evenings with a 7.00 to 7.30pm throw-in, dependent on daylight. Start from early April with an aim to finish the leagues, excluding play-offs, no later than mid-September. No postponements for any club that has a player in a county panel from minor and above during the league.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Mikhailov on April 17, 2014, 09:01:18 AM
I'd be inclined to agree about a separate reserve league but my suggestion would be split the county east and west and have 2 leagues of 12 (or whatever the split is) and run the league off from that. Reason being it may be hard to gather a reserve team on a Friday night if derrytresk had to travel to urney for example. Championship could then be run as an all county thing. Think some kind of change in structure should be tried out sooner rather than later.

Not a bad idea that. Four divisions. East D1, East D2, West D1, West D2. All Friday night games.

Current system doesn't work- esp in smaller clubs where lads double off. We took lads off at half time in reserves at the weekend to save them for senior game- weren't used but then there were no black cards- in this instance our reserves went on to win the game- but chances are that wouldn't happen every week.

UL - great idea. four regional divisions giving consistent football to reserve players with games on a weekly basis. Think you could be onto something there...
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: tyroneboi on April 17, 2014, 09:43:24 AM
East 1           East 2                  East 3
Ardboe           Brackaville          Aghaloo
Clonoe           Derrylaughan          Beragh
Coalisland   Dungannon          Brocagh
Cookstown   Edendork                  Derrytresk
Donaghmore   Galbally                  Killyman
Eglish           Kildress                  Rock
Errigal           Moy                          Stewartstown
Moortown    Pomeroy                  Kileeshil
      
West 1           West 2                  West 3
Augher           Aghyaran                  Castlederg
Carrickmore   Gortin                  Clann na Gael
Dromore           Greencastle          Dregish
Eskra           Loughmacrory          Drumquin
Killyclogher   Newtownstewart    Drumragh
Omagh           Clogher                  Glenelly
Strabane           Urney                  Owen Roes
Trillick           Fintona                  Tattyreagh
      
      
8 teams playing each other twice   
14 league games guaranteed ran off on Friday evenings or whenever suits the clubs involved
Top 2 promoted, bottom 2 relegated   
Divisional all county championships ran off in August/September
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 09:45:50 AM
I would not agree to reserve football only on a Friday night, it would cause too many problems.
Saturday would suit or  Monday evening might be a possibility.

The problems with a Friday night match would come about where panels already train on a Friday night (due to players working or studying away during the week).
They could no longer train on a Friday night due to the reserve games.

If the reserve panel are away on a Friday night they would have a max of 15 seniors at training (more than likely less than that). If the club has only one pitch this again rules out training on a Friday night when playing a home game.

If the match does go ahead on Friday night the senior management will not see the game if they are training the senior panel.

This would also mean the reserve players would only train once a week
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 17, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
I would not agree to reserve football only on a Friday night, it would cause too many problems.
Saturday would suit or  Monday evening might be a possibility.

The problems with a Friday night match would come about where panels already train on a Friday night (due to players working or studying away during the week).
They could no longer train on a Friday night due to the reserve games.

If the reserve panel are away on a Friday night they would have a max of 15 seniors at training (more than likely less than that). If the club has only one pitch this again rules out training on a Friday night when playing a home game.

If the match does go ahead on Friday night the senior management will not see the game if they are training the senior panel.

This would also mean the reserve players would only train once a week

Plenty. Lads that are on the senior panel training once and playing a match in reserves would keep them sharp. Lads that are playing senior only need to train the twice a week.

Monday night might be more viable though as it would mean fresher players for senior match.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 10:05:47 AM
I would not agree to reserve football only on a Friday night, it would cause too many problems.
Saturday would suit or  Monday evening might be a possibility.

The problems with a Friday night match would come about where panels already train on a Friday night (due to players working or studying away during the week).
They could no longer train on a Friday night due to the reserve games.

If the reserve panel are away on a Friday night they would have a max of 15 seniors at training (more than likely less than that). If the club has only one pitch this again rules out training on a Friday night when playing a home game.

If the match does go ahead on Friday night the senior management will not see the game if they are training the senior panel.

This would also mean the reserve players would only train once a week

Plenty. Lads that are on the senior panel training once and playing a match in reserves would keep them sharp. Lads that are playing senior only need to train the twice a week.

Monday night might be more viable though as it would mean fresher players for senior match.

You would want your senior fringe players who usually make up the sub bench for the seniors to train twice a week. Friday night reserve football would make this hard if they are also playing reserve.

For example the
Seniors play Sunday, all train Tuesday, all train Thursday, reserve match Friday, senior match Saturday (as this weekend due to Easter/other times due to county game etc)

Reserve players would be out 3 nights in a row. If they study/work in Belfast they would also be doing plenty of travelling and a few late nights/little rest.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: LeoMc on April 17, 2014, 10:08:27 AM
I would not agree to reserve football only on a Friday night, it would cause too many problems.
Saturday would suit or  Monday evening might be a possibility.

The problems with a Friday night match would come about where panels already train on a Friday night (due to players working or studying away during the week).
They could no longer train on a Friday night due to the reserve games.

If the reserve panel are away on a Friday night they would have a max of 15 seniors at training (more than likely less than that). If the club has only one pitch this again rules out training on a Friday night when playing a home game.

If the match does go ahead on Friday night the senior management will not see the game if they are training the senior panel.

This would also mean the reserve players would only train once a week

Does that not also rule out Monday nights? ;)

Anyway, semantics and aside, I think Fionn / CL / TB are onto something. This could potentially give a lot more football to a lot of players. the promotion / relegation element of it will make it more competitive and the timing (allowing players outside the 12 to be available) will up the standard.

18 guaranteed games run during the summer months on top of whatever Reserve championship / occasional senior league and McElduff cup appearances sure beats training 2-3 times a week from Feb to October for 10-12 games in the current format.

IIRC there was some lip service paid a few years ago to bringing in non-competitive or casual games to increase participation and allow those who could not commit fully to get a bit of football. This could also go some way to addressing that need.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 17, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
I would not agree to reserve football only on a Friday night, it would cause too many problems.
Saturday would suit or  Monday evening might be a possibility.

The problems with a Friday night match would come about where panels already train on a Friday night (due to players working or studying away during the week).
They could no longer train on a Friday night due to the reserve games.

If the reserve panel are away on a Friday night they would have a max of 15 seniors at training (more than likely less than that). If the club has only one pitch this again rules out training on a Friday night when playing a home game.

If the match does go ahead on Friday night the senior management will not see the game if they are training the senior panel.

This would also mean the reserve players would only train once a week

Plenty. Lads that are on the senior panel training once and playing a match in reserves would keep them sharp. Lads that are playing senior only need to train the twice a week.

Monday night might be more viable though as it would mean fresher players for senior match.

You would want your senior fringe players who usually make up the sub bench for the seniors to train twice a week. Friday night reserve football would make this hard if they are also playing reserve.

For example the
Seniors play Sunday, all train Tuesday, all train Thursday, reserve match Friday, senior match Saturday (as this weekend due to Easter/other times due to county game etc)

Reserve players would be out 3 nights in a row. If they study/work in Belfast they would also be doing plenty of travelling and a few late nights/little rest.

Depends on your club. I know some clubs where there are two completely separate panels- ie they have 19/20 that don't tog out for the reserves at all any given Sunday. If that means 5 play no football at the weekend thats just the way they do it.
Basically I think if you are a fringe player and are training once a week with the seniors and playing a match for the reserves you should be sharp enough.
Are you working on set pieces or something at training?

Training during the playing year is scaled back whereby a Thursday/Friday session usually consists of a few sharp handpassing drills, bit of shooting etc. 15 of a senior team at training would be plenty for that.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 17, 2014, 10:17:31 AM
Better for refs as well. Every Sunday you need 2 refs at each venue, one for reserve one for senior. With reserves separate night would allow for some to officiate a match friday night and one sunday- could even mean weekends off for some refs too.

Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 10:18:38 AM
I would not agree to reserve football only on a Friday night, it would cause too many problems.
Saturday would suit or  Monday evening might be a possibility.

The problems with a Friday night match would come about where panels already train on a Friday night (due to players working or studying away during the week).
They could no longer train on a Friday night due to the reserve games.

If the reserve panel are away on a Friday night they would have a max of 15 seniors at training (more than likely less than that). If the club has only one pitch this again rules out training on a Friday night when playing a home game.

If the match does go ahead on Friday night the senior management will not see the game if they are training the senior panel.

This would also mean the reserve players would only train once a week

Does that not also rule out Monday nights? ;)

That's why I said a possibilty. At least with Monday night all the player could train on a Friday night. You would also have fresh panel for the Seniors on a Sunday. 
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 10:23:54 AM
I would not agree to reserve football only on a Friday night, it would cause too many problems.
Saturday would suit or  Monday evening might be a possibility.

The problems with a Friday night match would come about where panels already train on a Friday night (due to players working or studying away during the week).
They could no longer train on a Friday night due to the reserve games.

If the reserve panel are away on a Friday night they would have a max of 15 seniors at training (more than likely less than that). If the club has only one pitch this again rules out training on a Friday night when playing a home game.

If the match does go ahead on Friday night the senior management will not see the game if they are training the senior panel.

This would also mean the reserve players would only train once a week

Plenty. Lads that are on the senior panel training once and playing a match in reserves would keep them sharp. Lads that are playing senior only need to train the twice a week.

Monday night might be more viable though as it would mean fresher players for senior match.

You would want your senior fringe players who usually make up the sub bench for the seniors to train twice a week. Friday night reserve football would make this hard if they are also playing reserve.

For example the
Seniors play Sunday, all train Tuesday, all train Thursday, reserve match Friday, senior match Saturday (as this weekend due to Easter/other times due to county game etc)

Reserve players would be out 3 nights in a row. If they study/work in Belfast they would also be doing plenty of travelling and a few late nights/little rest.

Depends on your club. I know some clubs where there are two completely separate panels- ie they have 19/20 that don't tog out for the reserves at all any given Sunday. If that means 5 play no football at the weekend thats just the way they do it.
Basically I think if you are a fringe player and are training once a week with the seniors and playing a match for the reserves you should be sharp enough.
Are you working on set pieces or something at training?

Training during the playing year is scaled back whereby a Thursday/Friday session usually consists of a few sharp handpassing drills, bit of shooting etc. 15 of a senior team at training would be plenty for that.

For the clubs who struggle to get numbers out this would not be the case (looking at the amount of walkover matches from previous years, this seems to be a lot from all divisions)

I'd say it would would be rare that you would get 15 for a Friday night. With players carrying a niggle or working and other excusses etc it probalby would be more like 10-12. You have too account for all clubs not just the big ones.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 17, 2014, 12:10:31 PM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
I think the senior game first would be something worth trialing at least, even if it was only fro a run of 3 or 4 league games to see how it works. if its not workable, then it can always go back to the way it was
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on April 17, 2014, 12:15:58 PM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
I think the senior game first would be something worth trialing at least, even if it was only fro a run of 3 or 4 league games to see how it works. if its not workable, then it can always go back to the way it was

How is playing the senior match first first going to improve things?
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 17, 2014, 12:18:13 PM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
I think the senior game first would be something worth trialing at least, even if it was only fro a run of 3 or 4 league games to see how it works. if its not workable, then it can always go back to the way it was

How is playing the senior match first first going to improve things?

At the minute we have players being held for the senior game (incase of black cards/injury etc) and maybe not getting used at all then.
If the senior game is first, any unused subs in it can still get a game in the reserves.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 12:19:00 PM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
I think the senior game first would be something worth trialing at least, even if it was only fro a run of 3 or 4 league games to see how it works. if its not workable, then it can always go back to the way it was

How is playing the senior match first first going to improve things?

All players are fresh for the senior game (subs).
Any senior subs that don't get a game can get a full reserve game.
Others who only get a few minutes could also get a game.
Extra hour for reserve players to sober up  :P
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on April 17, 2014, 01:40:49 PM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
I think the senior game first would be something worth trialing at least, even if it was only fro a run of 3 or 4 league games to see how it works. if its not workable, then it can always go back to the way it was

How is playing the senior match first first going to improve things?

All players are fresh for the senior game (subs).
Any senior subs that don't get a game can get a full reserve game.
Others who only get a few minutes could also get a game.
Extra hour for reserve players to sober up  :P

Thought we were talking about improving things for reserve footballers, I still dont see how playing the senior game first will do this. I see the benefit of the senior team by doing this as they will have fresh players. But the reserves are in pretty much the same boat if not worse off. what about the supporters who come to watch the games? Whos going to stay and watch the reserve game?
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Wee Roddy on April 17, 2014, 01:48:47 PM
The bigger clubs dont have a problem as far as i can see. We had 12 subs for the reserves last we had Coalisland had something similar. In fact our reserve team last week would have gave our senior team a good rattle ;)
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on April 17, 2014, 01:59:35 PM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
I think the senior game first would be something worth trialing at least, even if it was only fro a run of 3 or 4 league games to see how it works. if its not workable, then it can always go back to the way it was

How is playing the senior match first first going to improve things?

All players are fresh for the senior game (subs).
Any senior subs that don't get a game can get a full reserve game.
Others who only get a few minutes could also get a game.
Extra hour for reserve players to sober up  :P

Thought we were talking about improving things for reserve footballers, I still dont see how playing the senior game first will do this. I see the benefit of the senior team by doing this as they will have fresh players. But the reserves are in pretty much the same boat if not worse off. what about the supporters who come to watch the games? Whos going to stay and watch the reserve game?

It leaves the reserve team stronger as you are not having to hold players off the reserves in case of BC's/injuries in senior game. How are you missing this point?
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
I think the senior game first would be something worth trialing at least, even if it was only fro a run of 3 or 4 league games to see how it works. if its not workable, then it can always go back to the way it was

How is playing the senior match first first going to improve things?

All players are fresh for the senior game (subs).
Any senior subs that don't get a game can get a full reserve game.
Others who only get a few minutes could also get a game.
Extra hour for reserve players to sober up  :P

Thought we were talking about improving things for reserve footballers, I still dont see how playing the senior game first will do this. I see the benefit of the senior team by doing this as they will have fresh players. But the reserves are in pretty much the same boat if not worse off. what about the supporters who come to watch the games? Whos going to stay and watch the reserve game?

The men who are subs are reserve footballers, it is a big improvement for them that they are sure too get a game.

I don't see any difference from the supporters point of view.
Currently at the start of reserve matches, there is little support about. At least this way, some might hang about to see some of the reserves and if its a good game will watch to the end.

My other suggestion would have more benefit. No cancelling of games for minors or senior county. This would mean a game every weekend from now to July.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
The bigger clubs dont have a problem as far as i can see. We had 12 subs for the reserves last we had Coalisland had something similar. In fact our reserve team last week would have gave our senior team a good rattle ;)
At the start of the year even small clubs will have good numbers, but with injuries, holidays dropouts etc they will go down.
Last year these division one clubs conceded at least one reserve game. (from tyronegaa.ie results)
Omagh x3
Derrylaughan x5
Killyclogher x3
Trillick x5
Coalisland x3
Greencastle x2
Errigal Ciaran x3
Augher x2
Moy

Some big  clubs among them.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on April 17, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
A quick improvement that could be made now would be to have senior matches first and no cancellation of reserve match due to minor or senior county matches.
I think the senior game first would be something worth trialing at least, even if it was only fro a run of 3 or 4 league games to see how it works. if its not workable, then it can always go back to the way it was

How is playing the senior match first first going to improve things?

All players are fresh for the senior game (subs).
Any senior subs that don't get a game can get a full reserve game.
Others who only get a few minutes could also get a game.
Extra hour for reserve players to sober up  :P

Thought we were talking about improving things for reserve footballers, I still dont see how playing the senior game first will do this. I see the benefit of the senior team by doing this as they will have fresh players. But the reserves are in pretty much the same boat if not worse off. what about the supporters who come to watch the games? Whos going to stay and watch the reserve game?

The men who are subs are reserve footballers, it is a big improvement for them that they are sure too get a game.

I don't see any difference from the supporters point of view.
Currently at the start of reserve matches, there is little support about. At least this way, some might hang about to see some of the reserves and if its a good game will watch to the end.

My other suggestion would have more benefit. No cancelling of games for minors or senior county. This would mean a game every weekend from now to July.

usually in the bigger clubs, 3 players are held back for the senior bench, sometimes they get to play the first half of the reserve game sometimes they dont play at all and usually make an appearance for the seniors anyway. Its not like the whole reserve panel is affected by this, its a small minority who probably see themselves more as senior players anyway and are trying to work for a starting place on the senior team. No harm to reserve football but the senior coach is going want to see how they perform at senior level. also what if a sub comes on 10 minutes into the senior game and the reserves are stuck for numbers in the second game, is it fair to ask that player to play another full game? or if the smaller clubs are struggling to field a reserve team do they ask 4 or 5 seniors to play 2 games so they don't have to concede the points? 

Still dont see how this improves the situation. I can see the benefits of playing on different days but cant see how playing the senior game first will help.

I agree that there should be reserve games every week despite what the county team are doing and the reserve league and championship should be finished over the summer.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2014, 04:19:56 PM
usually in the bigger clubs, 3 players are held back for the senior bench, sometimes they get to play the first half of the reserve game sometimes they dont play at all and usually make an appearance for the seniors anyway. Its not like the whole reserve panel is affected by this, its a small minority who probably see themselves more as senior players anyway and are trying to work for a starting place on the senior team. No harm to reserve football but the senior coach is going want to see how they perform at senior level. also what if a sub comes on 10 minutes into the senior game and the reserves are stuck for numbers in the second game, is it fair to ask that player to play another full game? or if the smaller clubs are struggling to field a reserve team do they ask 4 or 5 seniors to play 2 games so they don't have to concede the points? 

Still dont see how this improves the situation. I can see the benefits of playing on different days but cant see how playing the senior game first will help.

I agree that there should be reserve games every week despite what the county team are doing and the reserve league and championship should be finished over the summer.

Having the seniors first means you know exactly how many players are available for a full reserve game.
A lot club take reserve players off during the game so they can make the senior bench. Having it second will mean they get a full reserve game.
You can use 6 subs now.
Most senior sub benches will have 10 players or so to cover all eventuallites.
Depending on clubs this 10 will currently be made of players where some got game time/no game time or a full reserve game.

If the senior goalie gets injured with his first kick out, the reserve keeper will have to play two full games.
Or if you use your 3 held back subs early on the 4th may have played a full game already a be introduced for another half.

Knowing exactly how much game time subs got in seniors will make it easier to see if you can field a reserve team.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on April 17, 2014, 05:26:33 PM
usually in the bigger clubs, 3 players are held back for the senior bench, sometimes they get to play the first half of the reserve game sometimes they dont play at all and usually make an appearance for the seniors anyway. Its not like the whole reserve panel is affected by this, its a small minority who probably see themselves more as senior players anyway and are trying to work for a starting place on the senior team. No harm to reserve football but the senior coach is going want to see how they perform at senior level. also what if a sub comes on 10 minutes into the senior game and the reserves are stuck for numbers in the second game, is it fair to ask that player to play another full game? or if the smaller clubs are struggling to field a reserve team do they ask 4 or 5 seniors to play 2 games so they don't have to concede the points? 

Still dont see how this improves the situation. I can see the benefits of playing on different days but cant see how playing the senior game first will help.

I agree that there should be reserve games every week despite what the county team are doing and the reserve league and championship should be finished over the summer.

Having the seniors first means you know exactly how many players are available for a full reserve game- you know that anyway, surly the senior team will be picked before hand.

A lot club take reserve players off during the game so they can make the senior bench. Having it second will mean they get a full reserve game- Not necessarily depends how long they get on in the senior game, could see them asking only to play a half if they are sore/stiff from the senior game.

You can use 6 subs now.

Most senior sub benches will have 10 players or so to cover all eventuallites.
Depending on clubs this 10 will currently be made of players where some got game time/no game time or a full reserve game- Most senior teams have 3 or 4 players who can make a differnce when they come on, the rest are there as a last resort.

If the senior goalie gets injured with his first kick out, the reserve keeper will have to play two full games.- senior keeper getting injured in the first kick out! not gonna be an issue most weeks!!!

Or if you use your 3 held back subs early on the 4th may have played a full game already a be introduced for another half. unlikely to be an issue!

Knowing exactly how much game time subs got in seniors will make it easier to see if you can field a reserve team. I thought you would know
"Having the seniors first means you know exactly how many players are available for a full reserve game"
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 18, 2014, 09:54:07 AM
What are you doing Blackball? 
Most people in here are saying to play the reserve game after the senior game as it means anyone who doesnt play the senior game or only gets a bit part can play a full game of football thereafter.  Most teams will hold 2 or 3 players from the reserve team to keep them fresh on the senior bench.  Ive been involved in squads where I have been held for the senior team on the bench and ended up not getting any game time at all.  I can tell you that you dont leave the ground a happy person as you have trained 3-4 nights a week and got no football at the weekend whereas the boy who has trained once that week or maybe not even has played a full hour football.

Playing the reserve game second prevents this sort of thing from happening.  As someone said, its probably an immediate fix.  In the longer term, I like the idea of that East West D1/D2 thing.  No reason we cant adopt similar league formats from other counties where it seems to work.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on April 18, 2014, 12:34:31 PM
I agree that changing the format is a good idea, but it would be a better 'quick fix' to play reserve games during the week over the summer rather than playing them after a senior game on Sunday. Just my opinion dont expect everyone to agree with it. Is there any other counties that play reserve games after senior games on a Sunday?? we would then know if this format works. I dont know of too many counties that do it this way and I am sure they have better brains working on it than we have in this forum. Problem here is everyone thinks their opinion is the only one that matters and they cant be questioned! must be a lot of referees post on here! lol
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on April 18, 2014, 02:18:00 PM
My prefered option would be to play them on a Saturday evening.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: HUNKY DORYS on April 19, 2014, 08:12:49 AM
This is a tricky subject, there are genuinely 4 or 5 players that tog out for reserves that are real contenders for starting place on the seniors. So this being the case. How do you put for a reserve panel for a separate league. But ideally that would be my choice as it puts a new dimension on reserve football and especially on d1 the top 5 teams could compete in d3 or d2 on any given day. A match I was involved in 5/6 years ago reserve quarter final between ardboe and errigle.. Was a awesome game to watch and play in. 80% who played that day for both teams have had seasons on their senior teams.
Seperate leagues  would be a great idea but for those 4/5 players pushing on May play less football and then go backwards if they were only allowed to play seniors.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on May 06, 2014, 10:49:23 AM
Two games in Division 1 conceded yesterday. One in D3. Early in the year for that.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on May 08, 2014, 08:25:42 AM
Crazy that there are senior clubs that cant field a reserve team 3 weeks before the championship! If their squad is that weak its hard to see them winning their first round game or staying up.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on May 13, 2014, 08:08:13 AM
Three games in D3 conceded last weekend. One in D1. D2 holding strong.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on June 09, 2014, 11:45:48 AM
Reserve championship on this weekend for most teams, Any predictions?? I know a lot will depend on what players teams have used in the senior championship.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on June 09, 2014, 12:23:34 PM
Reserve championship on this weekend for most teams, Any predictions?? I know a lot will depend on what players teams have used in the senior championship.

Are Clonoe the team to beat?
In Intermediate Trillick taking it very seriously. Didn't use any subs against Killeeshil in seniors.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: WT4E on June 09, 2014, 12:27:15 PM
Reserve championship on this weekend for most teams, Any predictions?? I know a lot will depend on what players teams have used in the senior championship.

Are Clonoe the team to beat?
In Intermediate Trillick taking it very seriously. Didn't use any subs against Killeeshil in seniors.

Pomeroy could be hard to handle in the reserves haven't lost this year yet and they had a couple of their main seniors disciplined by exclusion from the senior squad the other night. So if they play for the reserves they will hammer Brackaville I'd imagine
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on June 09, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
in div1 going on league form you would have to say Ardboe and Ballygawley look like the teams to beat. Omagh and Coalisland are probably strong too. Clonoe havent won many league games but are usually pretty good.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: bigtogs on June 20, 2014, 11:05:18 PM
Rahillys beat Moy tonight pretty one sided affair Omagh team to beat i would think.....
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on June 23, 2014, 12:01:18 PM
Reserve semi Finals this friday. Should be 2 tight games

Clonoe vs Omagh
Ardboe vs Donaghmore
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: WT4E on June 23, 2014, 01:16:46 PM
Intermediate Reserve semi Finals this Friday too. Should be 2 tight games as well. Teams all from same locality so should make it even more interesting.

Pomeroy v Loughmacrory
Kildress v Greencastle

Pomeroy on course for 3 in a row and will take a lot of beating. Begs the question - why have they not made more an impact on the senior scene!
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 12:10:14 PM
Reserve semi Finals this friday. Should be 2 tight games

Clonoe vs Omagh
Ardboe vs Donaghmore

Did Ardboe Donaghmore play?

When will the Div 2 final be I wonder?
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Club Rossa on June 30, 2014, 01:19:51 PM
Ardboe beat Donaghmore by 7 on Thursday night.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:25:42 PM
Ardboe beat Donaghmore by 7 on Thursday night.

 Very Good.  Clonoe will be a stiff test in the final.

Have you's a date for the final yet?
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Club Rossa on June 30, 2014, 01:28:40 PM
Final is on Friday 11th July.Clonoe will be strongly fancied.They have a great record in recent years but you never know if they have an off day we could catch them.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
Yes - It's a credit to Clonoe to be fair that for a small enough club in terms of area can produce quality senior and reserve sides over the last number of years.

In Div 2 semis Pomeroy were on for 3 in a row and looked to be heading that way as they are thumping everyone in the league and are unbeaten but Loughmacrory turned them over. Lough goin so well in reserves and badly in seniors is a bit of a puzzler too!
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on June 30, 2014, 03:41:35 PM
Ardboe and Clonoe will be a good game, the pace and quality would probably rival most junior and intermediate games you will see this year. Its a pity the reserve championship doesn't get more exposer.

Ardboe look to have had the easier path to the final so I will go for a Clonoe win. Any word on when the final is?
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: blackball on June 30, 2014, 03:46:04 PM
just seen the above post,  final set for 11th of July
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 03:52:31 PM
Ardboe and Clonoe will be a good game, the pace and quality would probably rival most junior and intermediate games you will see this year. Its a pity the reserve championship doesn't get more exposer.

Ardboe look to have had the easier path to the final so I will go for a Clonoe win. Any word on when the final is?

Yeah your right about exposure and quality when it comes to some reserve games. It would be interesting to see where everyone would sit if the Tyrone format was like other counties (6 separate divisions) where each team more or less stood on their own feet and could reach greater heights or bigger lows!
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on July 15, 2014, 09:20:20 AM
Report of the intermediate Reserve final in the Tyrone Herald yesterday.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on May 14, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
Any older heads on board back plying the trade here. Maybe we'll cross paths  ;D
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: 50fiftyball on May 25, 2015, 11:01:21 AM
Any word of when championship will be or is this another crystal ball question.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: Under Lights on September 04, 2015, 08:46:19 AM
Many reserve teams still fielding? Division 1 reserve championship done and dusted so league could fade out there.
Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: gaafan2 on October 15, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
Some year for Galbally, reserve championship winners and their senior team league winners. How will their reserve team compete in div 1 next year as their league form was indifferent.

I cannot for the life of me understand how Pomeroy are unable to make the step up to div 1. Reserve league winners this year not to mention maybe 3/4 reserve championships this past few years shows the strength and depth should definitely be there to do so.


Title: Re: tyrone reserve football
Post by: 50fiftyball on October 18, 2015, 11:25:54 PM
They'd rather sit content in div2 and keep up appearances in murphys and gilly's