Brexit.

[seafoid]

Cost of living and size of the republic aren't factors here?

The cost of living is high where wages are high, it is much lower in Africa.
The size of the Republic is only relevant to the issue of supporting an unproductive 6 counties. I think the plan is to make the 6 counties equally productive.

When we have to walk 5 miles to get clean water and UNICEF is working on the streets followed by songs for Ireland I'll get worried

But Milltown the Republic is much better. You get the Angelus for free.

https://youtu.be/fS-71kaPfSo

Been getting it free for years!! Flipping caught me out the other day!!!! Was wondering what the auld lad was doing in the garden

Yeah the republic sounds great, no corruption no food banks no gangland killings drugs free and homelessness at a record low plus cheap housing!!

The Republic has better celebrities. Brush Shiels, Roz Purcell, Ryan Tubridy

[michaelg]

Cost of living and size of the republic aren't factors here?

The cost of living is high where wages are high, it is much lower in Africa.
The size of the Republic is only relevant to the issue of supporting an unproductive 6 counties. I think the plan is to make the 6 counties equally productive.

When we have to walk 5 miles to get clean water and UNICEF is working on the streets followed by songs for Ireland I'll get worried

But Milltown the Republic is much better. You get the Angelus for free.

https://youtu.be/fS-71kaPfSo

Been getting it free for years!! Flipping caught me out the other day!!!! Was wondering what the auld lad was doing in the garden

Yeah the republic sounds great, no corruption no food banks no gangland killings drugs free and homelessness at a record low plus cheap housing!!

The Republic has better celebrities. Brush Shiels, Roz Purcell, Ryan Tubridy

Better than Pammy and Julian?  Is that possible?

[Syferus]

Cost of living and size of the republic aren't factors here?

The cost of living is high where wages are high, it is much lower in Africa.
The size of the Republic is only relevant to the issue of supporting an unproductive 6 counties. I think the plan is to make the 6 counties equally productive.

When we have to walk 5 miles to get clean water and UNICEF is working on the streets followed by songs for Ireland I'll get worried

But Milltown the Republic is much better. You get the Angelus for free.

https://youtu.be/fS-71kaPfSo

Been getting it free for years!! Flipping caught me out the other day!!!! Was wondering what the auld lad was doing in the garden

Yeah the republic sounds great, no corruption no food banks no gangland killings drugs free and homelessness at a record low plus cheap housing!!

The south of the island is far better off than the six counties. Brexit is only going to make that gap more pronounced with EU funding cut out and the UK with little appetite for anything that happens in the north.

[seafoid]

Cost of living and size of the republic aren't factors here?

The cost of living is high where wages are high, it is much lower in Africa.
The size of the Republic is only relevant to the issue of supporting an unproductive 6 counties. I think the plan is to make the 6 counties equally productive.

When we have to walk 5 miles to get clean water and UNICEF is working on the streets followed by songs for Ireland I'll get worried

But Milltown the Republic is much better. You get the Angelus for free.

https://youtu.be/fS-71kaPfSo

Been getting it free for years!! Flipping caught me out the other day!!!! Was wondering what the auld lad was doing in the garden

Yeah the republic sounds great, no corruption no food banks no gangland killings drugs free and homelessness at a record low plus cheap housing!!

The Republic has better celebrities. Brush Shiels, Roz Purcell, Ryan Tubridy

Better than Pammy and Julian?  Is that possible?

I see your Pammy and Julian , Michaelg and raise you Bill Cullen and Jackie Lavin.

[armaghniac]

Yeah the republic sounds great, no corruption no food banks no gangland killings drugs free and homelessness at a record low plus cheap housing!!

People prefer to be homeless in the 26 counties rather than move to empty houses in the wee 6.

[joemamas]

Cost of living and size of the republic aren't factors here?

The cost of living is high where wages are high, it is much lower in Africa.
The size of the Republic is only relevant to the issue of supporting an unproductive 6 counties. I think the plan is to make the 6 counties equally productive.

When we have to walk 5 miles to get clean water and UNICEF is working on the streets followed by songs for Ireland I'll get worried

But Milltown the Republic is much better. You get the Angelus for free.

https://youtu.be/fS-71kaPfSo

Been getting it free for years!! Flipping caught me out the other day!!!! Was wondering what the auld lad was doing in the garden

Yeah the republic sounds great, no corruption no food banks no gangland killings drugs free and homelessness at a record low plus cheap housing!!

The Republic has better celebrities. Brush Shiels, Roz Purcell, Ryan Tubridy

We also have better sports commentators;

Marty Morrissey
Martin Carney
Ger Canning
Tommy Carr

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/c3d2b16c-2e57-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a

   Theresa May's critics have attacked the British prime minister for having "no plan" over Brexit in the wake of a leaked account of a private dinner that heightened tensions between Brussels and London.A report published in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung portrayed last Wednesday's dinner between Mrs May and European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker as a disaster. According to the FAZ, commission officials were astonished at Mrs May's ambitions for the talks, including rapid resolution of the status of expatriates, a confidential negotiating process and a trade deal within two years.

The article quotes Mr Juncker as saying that he left the dinner "10 times more sceptical than I was before". He told Angela Merkel, German chancellor, of his concerns in an early morning phone call the next day. Tim Farron, leader of the UK's Liberal Democrats, said on Monday that the report made clear that "this government has no plan and no clue" for leaving the EU.Keir Starmer, the Brexit spokesman for the opposition Labour party, said Mrs May had misjudged her hand. "By refusing to acknowledge the complexity and magnitude of the task ahead the Prime Minister increases the risk that there will be no deal, which is the worst of all possible outcomes," he said.

A UK government spokesman said the FAZ account was not recognisable: "As the PM and Jean-Claude Juncker made clear, this was a constructive meeting ahead of the negotiations getting formally under way."But the comprehensive leaking of the talks will strengthen the hand of Eurosceptics in Mrs May's own party who believe the Brexit negotiations cannot succeed and that Britain would be better to make a clean break with the EU."This is the reason why some people are saying it will be impossible to reach a deal, because it doesn't matter which party is in the wrong galaxy, if they are in separate galaxies it is going to be very difficult," said Bernard Jenkin, a leading Conservative Eurosceptic MP. A spokesman for the UK Independence party added that the account of the EU's attempt to "bully" the UK showed the "mutual incomprehension" between the two sides. "We believe no deal is better than a bad deal, the offers on the table are bad deals and so better that we go for a quick, clean break and get on with our lives," he said.

[Rossfan]

Between the Brits finding out leaving the EU is a complicated business and orange head tr**p finding out being President of a State with 300m pepole isn't as easy as he thought......
Anglo American systems have a lot to answer for.

[imtommygunn]

Cost of living and size of the republic aren't factors here?

The cost of living is high where wages are high, it is much lower in Africa.
The size of the Republic is only relevant to the issue of supporting an unproductive 6 counties. I think the plan is to make the 6 counties equally productive.

When we have to walk 5 miles to get clean water and UNICEF is working on the streets followed by songs for Ireland I'll get worried

But Milltown the Republic is much better. You get the Angelus for free.

https://youtu.be/fS-71kaPfSo

Been getting it free for years!! Flipping caught me out the other day!!!! Was wondering what the auld lad was doing in the garden

Yeah the republic sounds great, no corruption no food banks no gangland killings drugs free and homelessness at a record low plus cheap housing!!

The Republic has better celebrities. Brush Shiels, Roz Purcell, Ryan Tubridy

We also have better sports commentators;

Marty Morrissey
Martin Carney
Ger Canning
Tommy Carr

We have Mark Sidebottom

[Syferus]

Between the Brits finding out leaving the EU is a complicated business and orange head tr**p finding out being President of a State with 300m pepole isn't as easy as he thought......
Anglo American systems have a lot to answer for.

and some people had the gall to say Enda was a bad leader. How the US or the UK would love a non-ideologue centrist like the Castlebar Cannon to be leading them now..

[seafoid]

Brexit is going to be a total mess   

https://www.ft.com/content/20b5f109-6b36-3b73-b321-6c8bd75108bb

   Analysing the Juncker-May Brexit reports: a Twitter thread
                  
      
                     
                     
                        David Allen Green
                     
                  
                     Below is a thread of tweets I posted on Monday as a commentary on the reports of the dinner between the UK prime minister Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president.The reports are based on this thread and the numbers in parentheses in the tweets below refer to that thread. The ultimate source for the reports is the newspaper edition of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.In summary, the tweets below contend that, even taking full account of bias and spin, the reported details of the dinner conversation are worrying, regardless of one's view of Brexit. The details show that neither Mrs May nor others have a grasp of the Article 50 process or have engaged with the issues. The disturbing conclusion is not that the UK and EU disagree but that the relevant UK ministers do not (yet) know what they are doing.(Apologies for typos etc in the tweets, for they can be an unfortunate feature of using the medium and the inclusion of the Twitter address of Lord (Stewart) Wood after the 20th tweet is because of how Twitter deals with threads)1. Some thoughts on the May-Juncker dinner details, as set out in this thread: https://t.co/enqq3MYjIz— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen)
May 1, 2017
2. Some are concerned at the fact of the leak - but the leak is only damaging because of the content.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
3. Had the leak been about how briefed May and Davis were, then the leak would be dull reading.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
4. Such a leak was always likely, so May either was not advised that this would happen or ignored such advice.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
5. Those who suggest May deliberately intended this leak are, in my view, fanciful. May likes secrecy and control.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
6. Yes, the leak has been spun. The worry is that, even after due account made of spin, the details remain worrying.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
7. So going through the detail of the thread.Tweet (3) - disrupting EU business -will not be simple for May, if this is a serious threat.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
8. The whole scheme of the negotiations - guidelines, TF50 team, Barnier - is to insulate and separate Brexit from other issues.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
9. This would not stop disruptive attempt - but it has no practical knock-on effect. Process insulated from UK (and other) undue influence.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
10. Tweets (5 & 6) - Juncker is right. Expats issue complicated re ongoing rights on health, social security, non-discrimination.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017 11. Not just residency. Even if UK wins on every point, still a lot to negotiate in detail. Not one meeting's work.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
12. On tweet (, May wants confidentiality. No surprise. But that is not going to happen, either officially or otherwise. Leaks.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
13. This is a concern for UK, as May has no experience (or taste) for open negotiations. Her Home Office/security background unhelpful here.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
14. Also unrealistic, as tweet (9) explains. Role of other bodies. This suggests May/UK do not grasp the complex process. Not bilateral.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
15. On (11) Juncker saying UK will be treated as third state: this been open EU position since just after referendum result.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
16. The reported surprise of May at this (12) - if true - is telling. Again, suggests no grasp of what is going to happen.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017
17. The JHA (justice home affairs) point at (13) is revealing. Such detail unlikely to be spin/false. Very much a May thing.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017 18. May's experience at Home Office untypical of EU business. But she thinks the Home Office approach will work generally.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017 19. For more on why JHA is a misleading precedent for EU deals, see @StewartWood at https://t.co/enpK5Ch9og— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood 20. In essence, UK can get away with cherry picking on JHA as EU member. Not same as with Single Market as a third (ex EU) state.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
21. So tweets (14 & 15) bang on. So Juncker at (16) plausible. Confidentiality and JHA points likely to be from May and showed no grasp.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
22. And now we come to money - tweets (17 to 20). Of course, this part should be taken with grains of salt. EU has interest opposite to UK.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
23. But what is striking - and disturbing - here are the two arguments attributed to May and Davis, not that UK wants to pay little/nothing.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
24. The 'not in treaties' line of May at (17) disregards the various heads of liability set out in the EC guidelines, not just budget.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
25. Each of these area will cause a a mess/shortfall/real problem. Each needs to be addressed in talks, even if UK prevails.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
26. To resort to the 'not in treaties' line indicates there is no grasp of the range of financial issues as set out in the guidelines.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
27. See para 10 at https://t.co/fKziKOyscc.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood 
28. The argument of Davis (19 & 20) that EU could not force a payment again shows practical financial identified not being take seriously.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood 29.
What is the cause of concern is not that May/UK and Juncker/EU disagree but, frankly, how pathetic and ill-briefed the UK points are.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood 30. 
The detail of these weak points cannot be dismissed as spin. They could only have been made there and then by May/Davis, not invented.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen)
May 1, 2017.@StewartWood 
31. What the leaks reveal is not that UK/EU disagree, but how far the UK are away from grasping the process and the issues to be addressed.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
32. And the process and the issues need to be addressed and understood, even if UK/EU end up disagreeing and/or compromising.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood
33. If UK has no grasp of process or the issues, then Juncker at (25) must be right: a real risk of talks collapsing.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017.@StewartWood 34. Even when you discount leaks for spin and bias, details remain starkly worrying. UK not (yet) prepared for these Brexit talks./ends.— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) May 1, 2017      

[johnneycool]

https://www.ft.com/content/c3d2b16c-2e57-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a

   Theresa May's critics have attacked the British prime minister for having "no plan" over Brexit in the wake of a leaked account of a private dinner that heightened tensions between Brussels and London.A report published in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung portrayed last Wednesday's dinner between Mrs May and European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker as a disaster. According to the FAZ, commission officials were astonished at Mrs May's ambitions for the talks, including rapid resolution of the status of expatriates, a confidential negotiating process and a trade deal within two years.

The article quotes Mr Juncker as saying that he left the dinner "10 times more sceptical than I was before". He told Angela Merkel, German chancellor, of his concerns in an early morning phone call the next day. Tim Farron, leader of the UK's Liberal Democrats, said on Monday that the report made clear that "this government has no plan and no clue" for leaving the EU.Keir Starmer, the Brexit spokesman for the opposition Labour party, said Mrs May had misjudged her hand. "By refusing to acknowledge the complexity and magnitude of the task ahead the Prime Minister increases the risk that there will be no deal, which is the worst of all possible outcomes," he said.

A UK government spokesman said the FAZ account was not recognisable: "As the PM and Jean-Claude Juncker made clear, this was a constructive meeting ahead of the negotiations getting formally under way."But the comprehensive leaking of the talks will strengthen the hand of Eurosceptics in Mrs May's own party who believe the Brexit negotiations cannot succeed and that Britain would be better to make a clean break with the EU."This is the reason why some people are saying it will be impossible to reach a deal, because it doesn't matter which party is in the wrong galaxy, if they are in separate galaxies it is going to be very difficult," said Bernard Jenkin, a leading Conservative Eurosceptic MP. A spokesman for the UK Independence party added that the account of the EU's attempt to "bully" the UK showed the "mutual incomprehension" between the two sides. "We believe no deal is better than a bad deal, the offers on the table are bad deals and so better that we go for a quick, clean break and get on with our lives," he said.

The well thought out and logic based response from Brexiteers...how dare Johnny Foreigner tell us, the masters of this sceptered isle, what to do...,

What is it with May and Arlene trying to portray this "firm" leadership just because they are women and want to be modern day Thatchers whatever that means?
Being inept and uncompromising isn't good leadership as Maggie did plenty of U turns behind closed doors irrespective of the rhetoric she used in her speeches.

[seafoid]

https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/858810953353367552

[Carmen Stateside]

May starting to blame the press.  She sounds like she is under pressure. 

[Throw ball]

The 'Peter Principle '?