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Agreed a great player on his day but also frustratingly poor at times, the brother whilst a bit more mobile seems to be the same. He was a great character no the less. can't entirely agree with his ambivalence towards Fitz at the pace Sunday's game was played at he was a better bet of the bench.

[McGeeney taking out 4 attackers outside a chip shop in Dundalk one night and walking away with his kebab intact.]

Good article from Jarlath Burns in the Gaelic Life this week on James McCartan and Kieran McGeeney.

He was saying that some players arrive when teams are going well but in their case the teams they were on became winners in no small part because of them.

This included his memories of McCartan scoring 2 goals in a minute against Armagh in 1990 in his 1st year and how he used to swan into the senior form room at St Colmans when he was a 2nd year and such was his cockiness that no one batted an eyelid and of McGeeney taking out 4 attackers outside a chip shop in Dundalk one night and walking away with his kebab intact.

These 2 will be will among the most prominent managers over the next 10 years hopefully with McGeeney in charge of Armagh at some point.

I find it hard to believe he'd ever eat a kebab.

It was a vegetarian kebab!!

PJ Ryan   The Tipperary goalkeeper

Tipp?

What do you suggest hardy?

For a start we could stop the hypocrisy of pretending to be concerned about assaults on referees while at the same time demanding that spectators be allowed to go where they like. I appreciate the difficulty of preventing incursions if people are determined, but at least we could make it an offence. We want to protect officials or we don't.

Of course it should also be a rule that any assault in an official MUST be reported to the gardai/police, an official complaint MUST be made and every case MUST be pursued to prosecution.

There is a big difference between celebrating on the pitch and hitting a referee. One doesn't lead to the other. If memory serves me right a ref down the country was bundled into the boot of his car after he left the ground.

Can you not read?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=769.16290

Don't see any hurling there, my question was rhetorical, there is just an absence of debate on Club hurling.

Not see the hurling in the thread title? Maybe if you posted about hurling in the thread it might spark some debate.

Hurling in the title but not in the content, typical of football counties only see the big ball. I was hoping to spark a bit of debate.

Can you not read?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=769.16290

Don't see any hurling there, my question was rhetorical, there is just an absence of debate on Club hurling.

He was good when Meath were good but when they needed someone to stand up in the second half he went missing, as he did against Louth

He wasn't missing when it counted!!

Is there no club hurling in Armagh or just nothing worth posting about?

As Roy Keane might say for feck's sake let it go!!

Now thats Coss v mullaghbawn or else pearse ogs. Very hard to distinguish sponsors on jersey. Great picture BTW.

No mistaking Francie though, and hes not in the chopper!

Joe Sheridan did nothing wrong, he didn't cheat. It was up to the referee to make the call. Martin Sludden has a history of making bad calls, note the two Red Cards issued to Armagh this year in the national league against Down and the Championship against Monaghan. The easy option for Sludden was to award a free, out or in, the toss could have been argued either way, whilst some say he should have asked the umpires that also is fraught with problems as technically umpires and linesmen can not call a foul. the GAA need to revisit the powers that linesmen and umpires have to assist referees make decisions. Had the umpires got the powers required they could have called the ref and he could then have made his call based on the evidence given.

I agree with Zulu here. This is pointless and cheap. It's all moot because the main players now have 2 years more on the clock as well, whereas Kilkenny seem to be getting better nearly.

I suppose the one point that may be reinforced to the Cork players is how far off Kilkenny they are *now*. I don't think they ever really appreciated that.

Have KK not got two more years on the Clock? Difference is Cody's in charge with Cork its the players hence the result.

1. Dublin - I want to see the African-Irish take to Gaelic Football in a big way.
2. Kildare - Theyre a Leinster team with Dermot Earley
3. Down - They have a great history with Offaly from the 60's
4. Cork - Someone has to be last.

I always like to see the Ulster teams win, but some of the crap fropm Down fans on this site is making it hard, so failing Down then Kildare for geezer and Aiden O'Rourke.

not a big surprise, should have done a lot better with a v good armagh team. 1 A I, is a poor return. And anyone who takes k mcgeeney off with 10 mins to go in a all ireland semi when the game is in the balance, should never have been let near a team again. although as a tyrone man i was happy that he did.

Lotta truth there.

[ability to hold off opponents]

In response to a previous poster, the definition of the strongest county player has to be the ability to hold off opponents on the field.  The gym has nothing to do with it.

Tomas O'Se is a definite candidate,  I think Charlie Vernon is a few years off the pace just yet.

Geoffrey Mcgonigle agus Rory Woods 

In terms of gym work but theres very few beating Vernon.

Geoffrey and Rory workout in Supermac's