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So the new message is teachers are the bad guys?

No! Teachers are some of the best people in society I know. What I am saying is that if you have no work and you are in the private sector, You get €350 a week. Why is it not the same for Teachers? Why do they get 6 months Holidays on full pay? The problem we have with workers getting full pay doing nothing is there is no incentive to work.  No incentive to even try. While they have it easy we (the working community) have to balance child care and teaching while holding down a Job.

Teachers are not contracted to work in july and august .There contracts equate to 40 weeks .
Historically , teachers were paid from Sept to June. Many had summer jobs . In mid 80s, terms and conditions were changed to pay their 10 month contract over 12 months .

Schools in north open for supervising  key workers and providing home learning packs / online work.

Are schools in south completely closed and parents left to their own devices ?

They do aye. I know a couple of primary school teachers who say they haven't differentiated since A Level maths and wouldn't know how to if asked.


Or at least that's the type of self-suited anecdotal drivel that gets stuck on to the end of baseless "facts" like the ones you are producing.

So 2 teachers admit to you they don't do their job properly.? You are either making it up or they are winding you up.
How can you say that primary school teachers don't differentiate ?

Load of BS , that is hardstation .
So your teacher mates , dont have different reading and spelling  or maths groups .
They are taking the hand out of you ! No doubt, they are two gaa men full of bravado .

They do aye. I know a couple of primary school teachers who say they haven't differentiated since A Level maths and wouldn't know how to if asked.


Or at least that's the type of self-suited anecdotal drivel that gets stuck on to the end of baseless "facts" like the ones you are producing.

So 2 teachers admit to you they don't do their job properly.? You are either making it up or they are winding you up.
How can you say that primary school teachers don't differentiate ?

[I've heard comment from someone complaining that while they work their taxes are paying for the furlough scheme. A very right wing view.]

Bunker probably needs to get out in the good weather for a while.

I have no worry about getting out! I've been out and working these last 10 weeks! I see first hand every day the double standards!

I trust you're getting paid for what you do?
So why be stressing yourself worrying about others then?
Remember the Gospel story about those that only worked for the last hour getting paid as much as those hired earlier?
Relax and enjoy the good weather, the cleanegcair, cleaner rivers and streams, the greeness etc and be positive.

I am paid for what I do! Do you think worker should get paid a full wage for less than a full weeks work? Do you care? Do you think it matters? Do you think there will be an incentive for these workers to return to work? I mean what fool would go back to work if they get the same wages for doing virtually nothing?

That's a very generalised view.
Would you have chosen not to work through this?
Most didn't have a choice. Lots of workers will probably go back to less hours and less money. Or may not have a job. Some may be fucked financially.
I've heard comment from someone complaining that while they work their taxes are paying for the furlough scheme. A very right wing view.

In fairness, that is true.

Let's be very clear here. As he's shown before, Bunker is simply pissed off that people who can't (and those who won't) are getting paid while he had to continue to work. He has lost nothing.

In the past he has been out of work and claimed the dole. Somehow here he thinks this is different and that he's being hard done by. Not losing your job and being in a position to earn through all of this is somehow unfair him.

I've never been paid a full wage for doing relatively nothing in both those circumstances. If there is no work for teachers they should be on the €350 like everyone else. Why not?

As for losing nothing! I'll be well taxed to the hilt when this all comes to a halt! Some one has to pay for it! Working through all this will have been of little or no benefit! Once again why do shopkeepers and the like have to work and teachers get a free pass?

I'm sure the teachers aren't paying income tax or contributions either......

The difference is i will have worked 6 months more to pay my taxes! Anyway enjoy the long holiday to September. There will be a lot of pissed off Parents to contend with when you return.

I think you ll find that teachers will have been working from home , supervising key workers children for about 70 working days to the end of June. They are not contracted to work in July and August.

Working from home! Don't make me laugh! Doing what? Really, what are they doing?

Look in fairness if I was on full pay for doing nothing - I'd be laughing at all those out there keeping the economy going.

But teachers  are such easy targets. If there was a caste system they would be at the lowest, the untouchables, fit for cleaning urinals, street cleaning etc. but seeing as they can read and write, society offers them an opportunity to be a teacher, to  improve their worth. The  reality is they're ambition less, talentless and lacked the sense of adventure to emigrate,  instead resigned themselves to a dullard life.

Drone like, they peddle failure, resulting in generation after generation of Ireland's finest emerging after 5 years none the wiser about Gaelic or French etc.  apart from cupla focail.

Such drivel. The majority of parents will appreciate the job teachers actually due , in normal circumstances , rather than casitigating them for every fk ill in society.

And most unfortunately the taught you how to read and write, so even you owe them a little bit of respect.

Enjoy the rest of your downtime

[I've heard comment from someone complaining that while they work their taxes are paying for the furlough scheme. A very right wing view.]

Bunker probably needs to get out in the good weather for a while.

I have no worry about getting out! I've been out and working these last 10 weeks! I see first hand every day the double standards!

I trust you're getting paid for what you do?
So why be stressing yourself worrying about others then?
Remember the Gospel story about those that only worked for the last hour getting paid as much as those hired earlier?
Relax and enjoy the good weather, the cleanegcair, cleaner rivers and streams, the greeness etc and be positive.

I am paid for what I do! Do you think worker should get paid a full wage for less than a full weeks work? Do you care? Do you think it matters? Do you think there will be an incentive for these workers to return to work? I mean what fool would go back to work if they get the same wages for doing virtually nothing?

That's a very generalised view.
Would you have chosen not to work through this?
Most didn't have a choice. Lots of workers will probably go back to less hours and less money. Or may not have a job. Some may be fucked financially.
I've heard comment from someone complaining that while they work their taxes are paying for the furlough scheme. A very right wing view.

In fairness, that is true.

Let's be very clear here. As he's shown before, Bunker is simply pissed off that people who can't (and those who won't) are getting paid while he had to continue to work. He has lost nothing.

In the past he has been out of work and claimed the dole. Somehow here he thinks this is different and that he's being hard done by. Not losing your job and being in a position to earn through all of this is somehow unfair him.

I've never been paid a full wage for doing relatively nothing in both those circumstances. If there is no work for teachers they should be on the €350 like everyone else. Why not?

As for losing nothing! I'll be well taxed to the hilt when this all comes to a halt! Some one has to pay for it! Working through all this will have been of little or no benefit! Once again why do shopkeepers and the like have to work and teachers get a free pass?

I'm sure the teachers aren't paying income tax or contributions either......

The difference is i will have worked 6 months more to pay my taxes! Anyway enjoy the long holiday to September. There will be a lot of pissed off Parents to contend with when you return.

I think you ll find that teachers will have been working from home , supervising key workers children for about 70 working days to the end of June. They are not contracted to work in July and August.

[I've heard comment from someone complaining that while they work their taxes are paying for the furlough scheme. A very right wing view.]

Bunker probably needs to get out in the good weather for a while.

I have no worry about getting out! I've been out and working these last 10 weeks! I see first hand every day the double standards!

I trust you're getting paid for what you do?
So why be stressing yourself worrying about others then?
Remember the Gospel story about those that only worked for the last hour getting paid as much as those hired earlier?
Relax and enjoy the good weather, the cleanegcair, cleaner rivers and streams, the greeness etc and be positive.

I am paid for what I do! Do you think worker should get paid a full wage for less than a full weeks work? Do you care? Do you think it matters? Do you think there will be an incentive for these workers to return to work? I mean what fool would go back to work if they get the same wages for doing virtually nothing?

That's a very generalised view.
Would you have chosen not to work through this?
Most didn't have a choice. Lots of workers will probably go back to less hours and less money. Or may not have a job. Some may be fucked financially.
I've heard comment from someone complaining that while they work their taxes are paying for the furlough scheme. A very right wing view.

In fairness, that is true.

Let's be very clear here. As he's shown before, Bunker is simply pissed off that people who can't (and those who won't) are getting paid while he had to continue to work. He has lost nothing.

In the past he has been out of work and claimed the dole. Somehow here he thinks this is different and that he's being hard done by. Not losing your job and being in a position to earn through all of this is somehow unfair him.

I've never been paid a full wage for doing relatively nothing in both those circumstances. If there is no work for teachers they should be on the €350 like everyone else. Why not?

As for losing nothing! I'll be well taxed to the hilt when this all comes to a halt! Some one has to pay for it! Working through all this will have been of little or no benefit! Once again why do shopkeepers and the like have to work and teachers get a free pass?

I'm sure the teachers aren't paying income tax or contributions either......

[I've heard comment from someone complaining that while they work their taxes are paying for the furlough scheme. A very right wing view.]

Bunker probably needs to get out in the good weather for a while.

I have no worry about getting out! I've been out and working these last 10 weeks! I see first hand every day the double standards!

I trust you're getting paid for what you do?
So why be stressing yourself worrying about others then?
Remember the Gospel story about those that only worked for the last hour getting paid as much as those hired earlier?
Relax and enjoy the good weather, the cleanegcair, cleaner rivers and streams, the greeness etc and be positive.

I am paid for what I do! Do you think worker should get paid a full wage for less than a full weeks work? Do you care? Do you think it matters? Do you think there will be an incentive for these workers to return to work? I mean what fool would go back to work if they get the same wages for doing virtually nothing?

That's a very generalised view.
Would you have chosen not to work through this?
Most didn't have a choice. Lots of workers will probably go back to less hours and less money. Or may not have a job. Some may be fucked financially.
I've heard comment from someone complaining that while they work their taxes are paying for the furlough scheme. A very right wing view.

In fairness, that is true.

Let's be very clear here. As he's shown before, Bunker is simply pissed off that people who can't (and those who won't) are getting paid while he had to continue to work. He has lost nothing.

In the past he has been out of work and claimed the dole. Somehow here he thinks this is different and that he's being hard done by. Not losing your job and being in a position to earn through all of this is somehow unfair him.

I've never been paid a full wage for doing relatively nothing in both those circumstances. If there is no work for teachers they should be on the €350 like everyone else. Why not?

As for losing nothing! I'll be well taxed to the hilt when this all comes to a halt! Some one has to pay for it! Working through all this will have been of little or no benefit! Once again why do shopkeepers and the like have to work and teachers get a free pass?

Non-grammar teachers just teach to the one "dumbed down" level too.

Primary teachers don't differentiate either. They just teach what they have to. Those who get it go to grammar schools. Those who don't go to non-grammars.

So all in all, a pretty straight forward process that works well in the end.

Obviously.

Primary schools in North definitely differentiate the work for pupils. They have different reading groups, spelling groups , maths tasks.
There is a wide range of abilities to work with. You would have pupils with a cognitive ability score in the 130+ and pupils with learning barriers with ability scores below 80.

ROI  may be different,  with a one size fits  all approach.

Have school Inspection services been ramped up down South yet ? Or is it just advisory ? Or a soft touch ?

What teacher is not continuing to teach? If they are not doing so they should be sacked, not put on €350 a week.

What teachers are continuing to teach is the question?

Most to all?
You could have furloughed them at the beginning. That'd be 80% pay (up here in the bit you didn't want) and doing absolutely zero work. A bit late now.

Most to all me hole!

Most are on holiday since mid-march. An e-mail on a Sunday night and that's the weeks work. Feck off there Mammy and Daddy and do my work for the week and I'll just collect my wages on Friday. It's the biggest gravy train show in town.


In the beginning we were told the schools would be closed for three weeks. Then another 3 weeks and so on! And with all the scare mongering talk of the fear of going back in September, this Sh1te could drag on til Christmas.

In my experience it's a mixed bunch. I've 3 kids with 3 different teachers. 1 of them is very active, sending out stuff, checking in  correcting and organising classes on some app. One is doing a bit, sending out homework and a bit of correcting. Then there is another who sends an email every 2 weeks, loaded to the gills with stuff to do,  stuff they've never covered and hes making no attempt to follow up. If course there will be nothing gone to him, no accountability she the INTO will back home to the hilt even if there is. It's a shame the good teacher gets no extra incentive and the useless one gets no punishment.

Do you think that even your best teacher is doing work worthy of a weeks wage?

I have 3 kids in national school. None of the homework is corrected by the teacher. Only one of the three sends a sample of answers and has a proper layout for the week.

How good is the teaching in your child's school normally ?
Because if it is on a par with the support at the minute , it must be really poor .
Did you query the level.of support?

What teacher is not continuing to teach? If they are not doing so they should be sacked, not put on €350 a week.

It's actually 12 - 14 weeks  depending on summer holiday closures .

Where did you get that, delgany?

Apologies that is their current criteria...getting admission year mixed up.

As I said  previously  the lawyers will be sharpening the knives !

Sub Criteria For Abbey Christian Brothers, Newry used for Sept   2020.

Boys who, at the date of their application, have a parent/guardian who is a member of the permanent teaching, administrative, or ancillary staff of the Abbey.

Boys who, at the date of their application, have another boy of the family (as defined by DE in Transfer 2010 Guidance) attending the school or having been selected for admission to the school in the coming school year.

Boys who have had another boy of the family (as defined by DE in Transfer 2010 Guidance) previously attend the school.

Boys whose father/guardian attended the school.

Boys who are the first boy of the family (as defined by DE in Transfer 2010 Guidance) to transfer to secondary education, i.e. the eldest boy of the family as defined above.

Boys who are the first boy of the family (as defined by DE in Transfer 2010 Guidance) to apply to a Grammar School.

Boys who, at the date of their application, are entitled to Free School Meals Provision (as defined by DE in Transfer 2010 Guidance).

Other boys ranked by date of birth with the youngest boy admitted first and all other boys admitted by age (youngest first) until all places have been filled.


Joe B may get the business cards ready!

Some of these criteria have already been subject to Judicial Review

Primary school laptops are complete rubbish and are  currently about 3 years out of date.

F88k all wrong with a 3 year old laptop. [apart from maybe battery - but sure these things aren't really being used off grid anyway]

Avoid loading it with Microbloat and Apple iO$ and it'd be fine.


Utterly amazes me that governments across the world continue to pay obscene amounts for software which requires constant hardware upgrades to function satisfactorily. If they put the equivalent investment into an open source alternative over 2 years, they'd likely be able to cut maintenance budget to a trickle and be fine for many years.

Recently put Ubuntu 20.04 on an 11 year old laptop - not a bother to it - happily zooms away. A week before the same laptop failed dismally at the same task when running Win10.

I didn't  say they were three years old ! Well past three years , at least 6- 7 years old .Recently refreshed to Windows 10 and Microsoft 2016 software.  They'll hold up well .

Just to make clear - Minister Weir has offered the laptops that are already in schools in phase one of his plan. He had said they will purchase 3 000 in phase 2 and 4, 000 ( if needed) in phase 3.
Primary school laptops are complete rubbish and are  currently about 3 years out of date.
He accounts for 18 000 school based devices and 3000 -6 000 of new investment .

It would be very much so ....a cultural choice !!!