SAS and IRA

Started by heganboy, March 04, 2015, 02:29:23 PM

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heganboy

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

seafoid

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

muppet

F*ck I thought this is what the Beckhams named their new twins.
MWWSI 2017

seafoid

#3
From the guardian article

"In some senses, the eight men had a great deal in common: all were white working-class men in their 40s and 50s with experience being in a disciplined organisation, handling weapons, and of conflict."

I remember reading about Vinegar hill in 1798. The redcoats who put down the rebellion came from the Scottish highlands.
When the Highlands rose up a few decades later the redcoats who put down the rebellion came from Wexford.

Poor vs poor, always 

"None of the former soldiers had joined up in order to serve in Northern Ireland. Ben Griffin, who served for seven years in the Parachute Regiment and the Special Air Service, described himself as having been an "an ideological recruit" to the army. "I thought it was the finest institution in the world."
Lee Lavis said he joined the Staffordshire Regiment as "an economic recruit" after growing up in a coal mining area and leaving school just as the mines were closing down."

Would remind you of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjrHxpiet0
"
Kieran Devlin, who grew up in a Unionist area of Northern Ireland, joined the Royal Engineers after his father, an Englishman and former soldier, persuaded him that he would have a great time. He left the army after serving in the Gulf war in 1991 and a period of heavy drinking, imprisonment and involvement in far-right politics followed."

There were no Paisleys in the SAS
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

muppet

Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
From the guardian article

"In some senses, the eight men had a great deal in common: all were white working-class men in their 40s and 50s with experience being in a disciplined organisation, handling weapons, and of conflict."

I remember reading about Vinegar hill in 1798. The redcoats who put down the rebellion came from the Scottish highlands.
When the Highlands rose up a few decades later the redcoats who put down the rebellion came from Wexford.

Poor vs poor, always 

"None of the former soldiers had joined up in order to serve in Northern Ireland. Ben Griffin, who served for seven years in the Parachute Regiment and the Special Air Service, described himself as having been an "an ideological recruit" to the army. "I thought it was the finest institution in the world."
Lee Lavis said he joined the Staffordshire Regiment as "an economic recruit" after growing up in a coal mining area and leaving school just as the mines were closing down."

Would remind you of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjrHxpiet0
"
Kieran Devlin, who grew up in a Unionist area of Northern Ireland, joined the Royal Engineers after his father, an Englishman and former soldier, persuaded him that he would have a great time. He left the army after serving in the Gulf war in 1991 and a period of heavy drinking, imprisonment and involvement in far-right politics followed."

There were no Paisleys in the SAS

It is amazing how these people are enticed with slick advertising and the lure of glory following a flag or whatever, and then dumped on the scrapheap afterwards.

The demographic jumps out from that article straightaway. All working class men.

The US is probably worse. Facebook is full of 'thank you for your service' comments, when someone says they were fighting somewhere, but 33% of the homeless in the US are veterans. And a US veteran is twice as likely to become homeless as anyone else. So thank you but don't come looking for anything. (source: http://www.veteransinc.org/about-us/statistics/)
MWWSI 2017

AZOffaly

Quote from: muppet on March 04, 2015, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
From the guardian article

"In some senses, the eight men had a great deal in common: all were white working-class men in their 40s and 50s with experience being in a disciplined organisation, handling weapons, and of conflict."

I remember reading about Vinegar hill in 1798. The redcoats who put down the rebellion came from the Scottish highlands.
When the Highlands rose up a few decades later the redcoats who put down the rebellion came from Wexford.

Poor vs poor, always 

"None of the former soldiers had joined up in order to serve in Northern Ireland. Ben Griffin, who served for seven years in the Parachute Regiment and the Special Air Service, described himself as having been an "an ideological recruit" to the army. "I thought it was the finest institution in the world."
Lee Lavis said he joined the Staffordshire Regiment as "an economic recruit" after growing up in a coal mining area and leaving school just as the mines were closing down."

Would remind you of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjrHxpiet0
"
Kieran Devlin, who grew up in a Unionist area of Northern Ireland, joined the Royal Engineers after his father, an Englishman and former soldier, persuaded him that he would have a great time. He left the army after serving in the Gulf war in 1991 and a period of heavy drinking, imprisonment and involvement in far-right politics followed."

There were no Paisleys in the SAS

It is amazing how these people are enticed with slick advertising and the lure of glory following a flag or whatever, and then dumped on the scrapheap afterwards.

The demographic jumps out from that article straightaway. All working class men.

The US is probably worse. Facebook is full of 'thank you for your service' comments, when someone says they were fighting somewhere, but 33% of the homeless in the US are veterans. And a US veteran is twice as likely to become homeless as anyone else. So thank you but don't come looking for anything. (source: http://www.veteransinc.org/about-us/statistics/)

Bingo. Thank you for your service is a fecking recruitment slogan as far as I can see. All this pomp at sports events is like a non stop advertisement to join the marines/army/navy. You don't see the USAF advertising as much.

seafoid

#6
Quote from: muppet on March 04, 2015, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
From the guardian article

"In some senses, the eight men had a great deal in common: all were white working-class men in their 40s and 50s with experience being in a disciplined organisation, handling weapons, and of conflict."

I remember reading about Vinegar hill in 1798. The redcoats who put down the rebellion came from the Scottish highlands.
When the Highlands rose up a few decades later the redcoats who put down the rebellion came from Wexford.

Poor vs poor, always 

"None of the former soldiers had joined up in order to serve in Northern Ireland. Ben Griffin, who served for seven years in the Parachute Regiment and the Special Air Service, described himself as having been an "an ideological recruit" to the army. "I thought it was the finest institution in the world."
Lee Lavis said he joined the Staffordshire Regiment as "an economic recruit" after growing up in a coal mining area and leaving school just as the mines were closing down."

Would remind you of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjrHxpiet0
"
Kieran Devlin, who grew up in a Unionist area of Northern Ireland, joined the Royal Engineers after his father, an Englishman and former soldier, persuaded him that he would have a great time. He left the army after serving in the Gulf war in 1991 and a period of heavy drinking, imprisonment and involvement in far-right politics followed."

There were no Paisleys in the SAS

It is amazing how these people are enticed with slick advertising and the lure of glory following a flag or whatever, and then dumped on the scrapheap afterwards.

The demographic jumps out from that article straightaway. All working class men.

The US is probably worse. Facebook is full of 'thank you for your service' comments, when someone says they were fighting somewhere, but 33% of the homeless in the US are veterans. And a US veteran is twice as likely to become homeless as anyone else. So thank you but don't come looking for anything. (source: http://www.veteransinc.org/about-us/statistics/)
I used to do some volunteering work in a homeless shelter in London and so many of the customers were ex forces.
The Sun/ Telegraph etc  would sicken you with their heroes campaigns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPN2tdgfzoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp2As6yLoMI&list=PL1mR976sauI5RwMfbcMJTLrbeVMKbQ5ok

all the mangled soldiers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIDGftmx5hE

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Rossfan

If the politicians who mcause wars had to fight them themselves...... we'd have an awful peaceful planet.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

theticklemister

The ex-para/SAS fella organising this states in the video that he didn't sign up with army to 'serve' in the north.

Does it matter if he 'served' here or any other u fortunate country?

heganboy

Quote from: theticklemister on March 04, 2015, 05:59:20 PM
The ex-para/SAS fella organising this states in the video that he didn't sign up with army to 'serve' in the north.

Does it matter if he 'served' here or any other u fortunate country?
At a guess, I believe he considers the North part of the UK, and he didn't expect that as part of his role...
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

seafoid

Quote from: heganboy on March 04, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 04, 2015, 05:59:20 PM
The ex-para/SAS fella organising this states in the video that he didn't sign up with army to 'serve' in the north.

Does it matter if he 'served' here or any other u fortunate country?
At a guess, I believe he considers the North part of the UK, and he didn't expect that as part of his role...

I was looking at stats on British soldiers killed in different campaigns since ww2 and NI was number 2

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11743727

They lost a lot of people defending the wee protestant state for a deluded protestant people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCtRrcylhB4

They'd never gun down civilians in Scotland
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU