Sam Maguire Group 3 - Dublin, Sligo, Roscommon, Kildare

[mup]

Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.

Costello was top drawer yesterday.  Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.

A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!

The Kilkenny GAA couldn't afford a tannoy system because the GAA had to pay for yet another GDA for Dublin. The GAA can't be having them only drawing with Roscommon.

You should at least post the odd comment about Kildare, even if totally fake. Just to pretend like.

I guess your knowledge is zero. Explain how the games development officer funding works - who are they? What's their average age? Who do they train? What do the clubs contribute?
You do know that there's not an iota of a chance that any of the Dublin players were trained by these partially funded development officers for a competitive game.

What's more crucial to the success of the Dubs compared to the perennial underachievement of the Lilies? - development officers who don't train the players, choice of identical dressing room, or music over the tannoy? These are the key questions that need answered.

There's going to be fantastic scenes when Kildare finally get one over the Dubs. A pity they let Davy Burke go, but still, it's there for them this time.

Here's the thing. Don't expect to make a comment on Kildare and not get called out on it.  Bitchy comments will be met with bitchy replies.

It's a complete accident that Dublin's success coincides with the millions they received from the GAA/Government. Well that's what Walter Mitty told me anyway.

[seafoid]

What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?

[yellowcard]

Its the perfect game for Kildare and I don't think they will have expected to get another crack at Dublin until next season. The Dubs look like a stale, ageing side with injuries mounting up and are extremely boring to watch. Listening to Dessie Farrell in post match interviews is like watching paint dry and the Dubs are playing in the same manner. If Kildare have a bit of belief they can beat Dublin this time around. Expect another arm wrestle of a match.   

[Blowitupref]

Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.

Costello was top drawer yesterday.  Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.

A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!

Dublin should be thankful Newbridge is out of operation, Nolan Park will suit Dublin better and should win by a bit to spare.

[mup]

Its the perfect game for Kildare and I don't think they will have expected to get another crack at Dublin until next season. The Dubs look like a stale, ageing side with injuries mounting up and are extremely boring to watch. Listening to Dessie Farrell in post match interviews is like watching paint dry and the Dubs are playing in the same manner. If Kildare have a bit of belief they can beat Dublin this time around. Expect another arm wrestle of a match.   

The problem is we don't know which Kildare will turn up. For years now we are blaming management for our failures. Maybe they could take a good look at themselves and man up a small bit. Having said that I don't think the quality is there.

[weareros]

Kildare should win this one. The dubs have a few injuries and out of their comfort zone of Croke Park. Heard they hammered mayo in a challenge game at the weekend.

Where did you hear that? The challenge game was before Mayo beat Kerry, and before Kildare drew with Sligo. In other words: the result such a challenge was meaningless.

[joemamas]

Kildare should win this one. The dubs have a few injuries and out of their comfort zone of Croke Park. Heard they hammered mayo in a challenge game at the weekend.

Where did you hear that? The challenge game was before Mayo beat Kerry, and before Kildare drew with Sligo. In other words: the result such a challenge was meaningless.

You do know that "sensini" is the WUM formerly know as
Kerryforsam, EireOG etc etc

[giveballaghback]

I've a bad feeling we might take on the Dubs again and get a hammering...that game will blow off a few cobwebs.
Don't see Kildare causing the Rossies too much bother either.

Why would you have that feeling, 10 games now against top teams and competitive in every one, a dubs team in decline, I think you might have damage from historical beatings when the dubs were in their pomp.
That dubs team for 5 years were imo the greatest team that ever played the game.

[weareros]

Kildare should win this one. The dubs have a few injuries and out of their comfort zone of Croke Park. Heard they hammered mayo in a challenge game at the weekend.

Where did you hear that? The challenge game was before Mayo beat Kerry, and before Kildare drew with Sligo. In other words: the result such a challenge was meaningless.

You do know that "sensini" is the WUM formerly know as
Kerryforsam, EireOG etc etc

Thanks Joemamas. I should know better than to reply.

[Rossfan]

Next up our nicest Connacht neighbours .
Potential banana skin?

[Jell 0 Biafra]

What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?

Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes?  Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?

[seafoid]

What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?

Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes?  Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?

Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team  It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.

[Hound]

What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?

Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes?  Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?

Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team  It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.

The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.

[Hound]

Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.

Costello was top drawer yesterday.  Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.

A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!

Dublin should be thankful Newbridge is out of operation, Nolan Park will suit Dublin better and should win by a bit to spare.

Ah, if Kildare were playing to their absolute potential, the bigger pitch would suit them too. They played their best game of the year in Croke Park. A good crowd though baying them on would definitely be helpful, so in that regard they may well lose some of that by playing it in Kilkenny. I hugely respect the talent in Kildare. It's belief and resilience that can let them down. But one game could change that quickly and Dubs are blowing hot and cold. Agree Dubs are favourites, but it's not the cast iron certainty of recent years.

[seafoid]

What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?

Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes?  Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?

Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team  It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.

The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.

It's used to weaponise Dublin's population advantage and widen the footprint of Gaelic Football in the county. Finding footballers is a secondary feature.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0616/1055359-dublin-funding
2019
"Last year Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork.
However, Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
The Dublin county board has ambitions to develop up to four centres of excellence around the county,.