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[daft shot selection combined with clarkes bad kickouts , personally think we cannot expect to progress with Clarke in goal , kickouts have become more and more crucial in the game and Clarke a great servant and very good keeper besides but the kick out is becoming off the scale poor .]

"We've only ourselves to blame, there's no point us looking for excuses, we'll take it on the chin. Mayo deserve credit, it's their fifth week in a row playing, they go on and represent Connacht and they'll do well going forward."

"A lot of things annoyed me," Joyce observed after full-time.

"There was a time at the end, Liam Silke, there was definitely a man lying on his back fourteen yards from goal and I don't know how he didn't give a free for that. There was a time here at the back when Diarmuid O'Connor came in to nail one of our lads, he went down, the referee stopped the play, we had the ball gone to Mike Daly who was 40 yards free could have got a score the far side. A lot of decisions were baffling today, to be honest."

This is why we could never beat ye lads enough. Typical Galway lads talking out both sides of yer mouth. Anyhow good luck to ye in the hurling.

Exactly and how could anyone take joyce serious ever again after him saying comer was out and it would take a miracle for him to be togged ,ffs blatant lies .

On the game itself we totally lost the run of ourselves , daft shot selection combined with clarkes bad kickouts , personally think we cannot expect to progress with Clarke in goal , kickouts have become more and more crucial in the game and Clarke a great servant and very good keeper besides but the kick out is becoming off the scale poor .

James Carr should be playing too ,just my opinion is all.

I've been dithering all afternoon wondering if I should mention Clarke's poor kickouts. At this level there is no room for mistakes- one ropey kick out could mean the losing of a game and it could have today, should have against Roscommon and definitely did on the double against Tyrone. We'd still be in Division One if Clarkie hadn't goofed up a couple of kick outs.
He has every other skill a top notch goalie needs, with a bit to spare and yet his kick outs remain a liability. Its heresy for diehard Mayo fans to criticise man but he's no Stephen Cluxton when it comes to restarts. It's unfair I know but a full forward can miss all day but is still a hero if he nails one lucky goal in the last minute in extra time and it's a winner. On the other hand a goalie is under pressure from start to finish and all his good work will be forgotten of he gifts a single restart to the opposition  and the ball winds up in the net.
Mayo are riding their luck with Clarkie's kick outs. Problem is Bob Hennelly is not reliable.
Is there nobody else in the entire county??

Clarkie is the best keeper we have ever had. One of the best the game has ever had. However, injuries have affected his ability to kick the dead ball. That happens. A hole in quad muscle or hamstring does that and nothing you can do about it. He's still excellent besides but it is a problem.
If you have a dodgy kick-out, you need a big thick ball-winning midfield. If you have a lightweight midfield, like we do, you need a keeper that can ping it. Clarke would still be grand with a Seamie and Parsons in their pomp but that's over. We don't have a Liameen or Willie Joe either. I know what Horan is trying to do with midfield but it's putting the cart before the horse.

Winter football in the wind and rain suits a team like Mayo down to the ground. Things are poised perfectly for them to win the big one this year.

Why so ?

Don't be taking the f**king bait Lar.

Trump and Kerry gone in the same weekend, lovely

Funnily enough the way Kerry approached that game throughout reminded me of Hillary Clinton 2016 - they even got more scores than their opponent - 13 to Cork's 12 - but Cork got the one that counted

Kerry turned up today unprepared for a slogfest and Cork dragged them down to their level

If I was Peter Keane I'd have been flat out on the ground like Billy Morgan when Mikey Sheehy scored a seemingly winning goal in 1987

First time Cork have knocked Kerry out of the championship since 1999 - that was on a pissing wet day in Pairc Ui Chaoimh as well when current manager Ronan McCarthy literally dragged Maurice Fitzgerald, who was on the Kerry management team today, down to his level in a game which was choc full of shenanigans, it was naughty naughty

Cork have been making quiet improvement since they were relegated to Division 3 which is welcome for the game in general

But I can't see themselves or Galway having enough to challenge Dublin

Mayo might have, they are in genuine championship mode, and in this championship that's everything

Edit: 13 scores each, duh

Donegal are  best contender imo.

This will be a poor mouthing thread, if you ever saw one. That said whoever wins Connacht won't be within 10 points of Kerry.

If they are not they should go to bed for themselves. Kerry nothing special.

Did anyone else think the Mayo goal keeper could have or should have saved all 3 goals?

Should have saved at least two of them and David Clarke is normally a good shot stopper.

Yeah, he's had many bad days with the kickouts, but usually solid as a rock with shot stopping.

Age catches up with all of us but hopefully not with him yet. I know he would be very disappointed with all 3 goals.

He didn't play well yesterday, but O'Shea still took a huge amount of attention from the Tyrone defence. If he was in midfield I doubt Conroy and Coen would have got as much freedom.

Correct. Some people don't get it though.
Still its a bit useless leaving him in there with no space. Donegal never do that with Murphy. There's nobody that can do that and its a waste of time and an influential player.

Lookit, a bit of a reckless league from a Mayo perspective. We've been getting away with it down the years but we've had it coming. Our record in Castlebar since 2010 in the league has been desperate.

Played 38
Won 16
Lost 20
Drew 2

How did we last so long?!
As well as this year we won no home game in 2018.
Horan has been in charge for most of those campaigns. Maybe he hasn't taken the league seriously but the team has had some excellent away wins in that time in the most difficult of venues.
I don't get it. It's so frustrating, constantly trying to come to terms with what appear to be self inflicted damage.
We were so defensively laissez-faire against Galway last week and we did the same again today. Of course Tyrone were not going to let us waltz through them so that first half can easily be explained.
I don't put this relegation down to trying new players or rebuilding. During this campaign there has been no foundation/structure - from a defensive side of things anyway.

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Just when you thought the country had suffered enough.

Can't happen surely - shoulder to shoulder no longer an option!

These pricks could still put a hard border up. I wouldn't put it past them.

Of course they will. Once they have left they can do what they want with their borders.

They can, but they would have to repudiate the withdrawal agreement to do that.

And the consequences would be?
I would be surprised if some kind of hard border is not put in place.

Made me chuckle when Spillane was praising Kerry for 4 players tackling 1 man - wasn't that Tyrone's puke football!

Yeah. But of course it's different when Kerry do it. Yearrah. ye know yourself .

How many chances are some of these Mayo players going to get?  3 of those forwards that started and were substituted during the course of the game today have been given 3 or 4 games each to prove themselves over the course of this league.  Bar a 3 minute cameo by one of them at the end of the Donegal game, all 3 have been poor.  They aren't even close to the standard unfortunately.  Not sure what Horan is looking at, if he's looking at anything at all.  I fully expect him to play all 3 again in Galway and again all 3 will be substituted.

Well at least they got substituted, there's one lad never gets substituted and he's clearly not intercounty standard.

There's another that's going to be pushing him. Lasted more than an hour today. If Towey was in earlier we could have got a result. Diarmuid missed 2 frees he would likely have got.

How many chances are some of these Mayo players going to get?  3 of those forwards that started and were substituted during the course of the game today have been given 3 or 4 games each to prove themselves over the course of this league.  Bar a 3 minute cameo by one of them at the end of the Donegal game, all 3 have been poor.  They aren't even close to the standard unfortunately.  Not sure what Horan is looking at, if he's looking at anything at all.  I fully expect him to play all 3 again in Galway and again all 3 will be substituted.

For one of those three you mention, it was only his second start of the year. While he was poor today, he was decent the last day and had a very good season last year.

Another one of them played a lot of today in the full forward line...way out of position. I wouldn't be writing him off just yet.

if you are talking about who I thinking you are talking about; imagine if he had gone toe to toe with Gavin White today Maybe it was a mercy to him to be put inside. The reality is a 10 has to be able to go with a McCaffrey or a White.

[He can't keep picking some of those lads that started. Can he?]

Should Horan have made a couple of changes earlier in the game larryin? The subs all seemed to have made an impact when they came on.

He can't keep picking some of those lads that started. Can he?

I think he is caught between the devil and the deep blue sea here. On the one hand, he had a lot of what would be first choice players who are out through injury or at least not match fit. If he starts panicking and throwing some of them on he is risking further injuries to his better players and enforced absences during the championships coming up soon. It's Hobson's choice I'm afraid.
On the other hand, some of the newer players are showing potential and sooner or later, he will have to let a raft of the old guard go. Unless he bloods replacements in, he will be in even more trouble than he is right now.
I thought a few likely lads showed up last year and this year to date has been even more promising. We have always had problems getting youngsters to mature enough to play at championship level but the last few years, and this one especially, there has been quite a few.
Ossian Mullin looks the real deal already and Tommy Conroy, Towey, O'Donoughe and a few others are developing nicely. Throw in Matty Ruane and probably Fionn McDonagh from last year and things are looking good for the future.
Maybe not too good at present but dammit!, Tiocfaidh ar lá arís very soon.

The names you mention as positive I will give you yeah. In fact I think I mentioned them in an earlier post and would raise you Swanee O Hora as well. They are fairly obvious as well. On the other hand there are lads wheeled out every week that are as obviously not at it at all. These are JH's projects so if he is caught between devil and deep blue sea ....... If you look back at recent panels, there were young lads that were indulged for years that never were good enough.

Jaysis after that analysis by Spillane and Whelan you'd never think it was a one point game.

They're right though. 

Should Horan have made a couple of changes earlier in the game larryin? The subs all seemed to have made an impact when they came on.

He can't keep picking some of those lads that started. Can he?