What do you think of Obama ?

Started by seafoid, April 09, 2016, 11:19:39 AM

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J70

Quote from: stew on April 10, 2016, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 10, 2016, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: stew on April 10, 2016, 12:57:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 09, 2016, 08:43:59 PM
History will record him as a great president. The right will look at him and see the complete opposite of everything he actually did, because the right has abandoned reality-based politics and their inherent racism meant they were never ready for a black president.


Muck from start to finish you write some shire! He is a mealy mouthed weakling who is completely out of his depth,  he is being led by the nose in Syria and he is the worst president in generations, more people are homeless on his watch and the middle class is worth less than they were before this clampett took office. An absolute bomb scare is Bo.

Yes, the f**ker should have done something about the 750K jobs a month being lost when he took over.

Oh wait... there's been 72 consecutive months of job growth under him in a worldwide ecomony gone to shit.

Yet the people are worse off than they were before the useless b**tard took office, he is just another patsy pandering to the mega rich to the determent of the middle class, each sure let all and sundry in because they will vote for us and work for feck all, a bombscare presidency of a presidency.

Innovation is curbed under this president, Americans are bogged down with red tape and bureaucratic nonsense, the man is all about big government and pandering to special interest groups, he has bent over for those b**tards in the bra and he has weakened the countries military, the national parks are crumbling, the man is both a foreign and domestic policy nightmare, that is a fact, low paid jobs are aplenty, manufacturing jobs are declining as are jobs in the building sector but hey, if you want to be a short order cook Bo us your man.

What do you expect him to do about manufacturing jobs? That is a trend that has been going on for more than 30 years, and not just in the US. Those jobs are not coming back as long as people in the west want their goods cheap. Its the same as those who whinge about service in air travel. They reminisce about how great it was years ago, but they still want their cheap flights today.

What special interest groups is he pandering to? What regs? Worker safety? Environmental? I'm not saying that some red tape couldn't be trimmed away, but what, and which ones that we don't need is Obama responsible for? Do you agree with the various GOP candidates who want to abolish the EPA, for example?

Building sector... the US just went through a massive property bubble and its resulting crash which nearly ruined the economy! Obama's called, multiple times, for money to be allocated for infrastructure building, at a time of rock bottom interest rates. Who controls the purse strings? Same goes for the national parks. You think they're high on the list of the priorities of the GOP who want to privatize or return to the states most of the lands owned by the US?

And how can a man be pandering to the megarich at the same time he is supposedly crippling them with red tape and over regulation?

J70

Quote from: seafoid on April 10, 2016, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 10, 2016, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: stew on April 10, 2016, 12:57:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 09, 2016, 08:43:59 PM
History will record him as a great president. The right will look at him and see the complete opposite of everything he actually did, because the right has abandoned reality-based politics and their inherent racism meant they were never ready for a black president.


Muck from start to finish you write some shire! He is a mealy mouthed weakling who is completely out of his depth,  he is being led by the nose in Syria and he is the worst president in generations, more people are homeless on his watch and the middle class is worth less than they were before this clampett took office. An absolute bomb scare is Bo.

Yes, the f**ker should have done something about the 750K jobs a month being lost when he took over.

Oh wait... there's been 72 consecutive months of job growth under him in a worldwide ecomony gone to shit.
Most new jobs are crap paying barely more than minimum wage or else in parasitical sectors like healthcare. Real unemployment is higher than 15%.
Wage inflation is almost dead so the Phillips curve is broken and the US is stuck, unable to generate general inflation. The economy is broken.

All that is a structural economic issue that has taken shape over decades, not something that happened under Obama or was caused by him.

The days of the single earner taking home a manufacturing wage which can support his family are over.

And how is the the idea of medical, nursing and nursing aide job growth "parasitical"? They may be the areas with strong growth, but how is that a bad thing with an aging boomer population?

J70

Quote from: stew on April 11, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: J70 on April 10, 2016, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: stew on April 10, 2016, 12:57:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 09, 2016, 08:43:59 PM
History will record him as a great president. The right will look at him and see the complete opposite of everything he actually did, because the right has abandoned reality-based politics and their inherent racism meant they were never ready for a black president.


Muck from start to finish you write some shire! He is a mealy mouthed weakling who is completely out of his depth,  he is being led by the nose in Syria and he is the worst president in generations, more people are homeless on his watch and the middle class is worth less than they were before this clampett took office. An absolute bomb scare is Bo.

Yes, the f**ker should have done something about the 750K jobs a month being lost when he took over.

Oh wait... there's been 72 consecutive months of job growth under him in a worldwide ecomony gone to shit.

I hope you get to raise a family with an Obama created job, actually I don't because your kids would starve.

Tell us stew, what job sectors should be seeing growth if Obama did what you think he should have?

seafoid

J70

Healthcare in the US costs 20% of GDP which is parasitical. Just think.of how much money lawyers are making from it. Insurance company CEOs take home 14m dollars . Parasitical. Pharma companies are making margins of 25%. Parasitical.
Healthcare creates jobs cos it controls so much cash flow . Not a sign that the US economy is recovering.
Most new jobs are healthcare and retail. The Obama/Fed recovery is a fraud.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

J70

Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2016, 09:29:52 AM
J70

Healthcare in the US costs 20% of GDP which is parasitical. Just think.of how much money lawyers are making from it. Insurance company CEOs take home 14m dollars . Parasitical. Pharma companies are making margins of 25%. Parasitical.
Healthcare creates jobs cos it controls so much cash flow . Not a sign that the US economy is recovering.
Most new jobs are healthcare and retail. The Obama/Fed recovery is a fraud.

Not disputing the exorbitant costs. I just don't see how the upsurge in hiring of nurses, nurses aides, medical assistants etc. can be considered "parasitic" when it is an obvious response to the medical needs of a very large and retiring cohort of the population.

But on the "fraud" thing - where would the jobs need to be for the recovery NOT to be a fraud?

seafoid

J70

The days of a couple supporting a family on one wage are only over cos the richest 1% made it so. Obama perpetuates that system.. there is nothing macroeconomically destined about it.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: J70 on April 11, 2016, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2016, 09:29:52 AM
J70

Healthcare in the US costs 20% of GDP which is parasitical. Just think.of how much money lawyers are making from it. Insurance company CEOs take home 14m dollars . Parasitical. Pharma companies are making margins of 25%. Parasitical.
Healthcare creates jobs cos it controls so much cash flow . Not a sign that the US economy is recovering.
Most new jobs are healthcare and retail. The Obama/Fed recovery is a fraud.

Not disputing the exorbitant costs. I just don't see how the upsurge in hiring of nurses, nurses aides, medical assistants etc. can be considered "parasitic" when it is an obvious response to the medical needs of a very large and retiring cohort of the population.

But on the "fraud" thing - where would the jobs need to be for the recovery NOT to be a fraud?
To be sustainable they would need to be broad based, not just financial and healthcare.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

J70

Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2016, 03:30:53 PM
J70

The days of a couple supporting a family on one wage are only over cos the richest 1% made it so. Obama perpetuates that system.. there is nothing macroeconomically destined about it.

We are all complicit. There's a reason computers and consumer goods are relatively cheap compared to years ago - they're not made in Western Europe or the US any more. Free trade, free movement of labor and business means some people will lose out while those in the places manufacturing moves to make gains.

Of course, people like Trump who are trying to ride this wave of discontent never bother to explain this.

But if it's not destined, then how should it have panned out?

J70

Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2016, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 11, 2016, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2016, 09:29:52 AM
J70

Healthcare in the US costs 20% of GDP which is parasitical. Just think.of how much money lawyers are making from it. Insurance company CEOs take home 14m dollars . Parasitical. Pharma companies are making margins of 25%. Parasitical.
Healthcare creates jobs cos it controls so much cash flow . Not a sign that the US economy is recovering.
Most new jobs are healthcare and retail. The Obama/Fed recovery is a fraud.

Not disputing the exorbitant costs. I just don't see how the upsurge in hiring of nurses, nurses aides, medical assistants etc. can be considered "parasitic" when it is an obvious response to the medical needs of a very large and retiring cohort of the population.

But on the "fraud" thing - where would the jobs need to be for the recovery NOT to be a fraud?
To be sustainable they would need to be broad based, not just financial and healthcare.

Why are they not sustainable? The boomer generation will die off, but the US population is steadily growing. Healthcare and service industries are going nowhere.

But what sectors should see growth to supposedly make the recovery sustainable? What should Obama or his successor be doing with respect to jobs?

give her dixie

Anyone with any decency or respect for humanity would have no respect for Obama,
a man with the blood of thousands on his hands.
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Esmarelda

Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:00:57 PM
Anyone with any decency or respect for humanity would have no respect for Obama,
a man with the blood of thousands on his hands.
Which countries' people are you referring to?

give her dixie

Quote from: Esmarelda on April 11, 2016, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:00:57 PM
Anyone with any decency or respect for humanity would have no respect for Obama,
a man with the blood of thousands on his hands.
Which countries' people are you referring to?

Take your pick from any of the countries that he bombed over 22,000 times last year alone,
or any of the other countries bombed by bombs supplied by him.

Over 20,000 Palestinians killed or injured since the day he was elected and he never said a word, except to defend Israel.

Some man he is...........

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/us-dropped-23144-bombs-muslim-majority-countries-2015
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Esmarelda

Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on April 11, 2016, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:00:57 PM
Anyone with any decency or respect for humanity would have no respect for Obama,
a man with the blood of thousands on his hands.
Which countries' people are you referring to?

Take your pick from any of the countries that he bombed over 22,000 times last year alone,
or any of the other countries bombed by bombs supplied by him.

Over 20,000 Palestinians killed or injured since the day he was elected and he never said a word, except to defend Israel.

Some man he is...........

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/us-dropped-23144-bombs-muslim-majority-countries-2015
I have no interest in defending Obama but on the list of countries on that link would you have him pull the plug on those wars that were started prior to his coming into office?

give her dixie

Quote from: Esmarelda on April 11, 2016, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on April 11, 2016, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:00:57 PM
Anyone with any decency or respect for humanity would have no respect for Obama,
a man with the blood of thousands on his hands.
Which countries' people are you referring to?

Take your pick from any of the countries that he bombed over 22,000 times last year alone,
or any of the other countries bombed by bombs supplied by him.

Over 20,000 Palestinians killed or injured since the day he was elected and he never said a word, except to defend Israel.

Some man he is...........

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/us-dropped-23144-bombs-muslim-majority-countries-2015
I have no interest in defending Obama but on the list of countries on that link would you have him pull the plug on those wars that were started prior to his coming into office?

Which wars were started prior to him becoming President?
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Esmarelda

Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:48:52 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on April 11, 2016, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on April 11, 2016, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 11, 2016, 04:00:57 PM
Anyone with any decency or respect for humanity would have no respect for Obama,
a man with the blood of thousands on his hands.
Which countries' people are you referring to?

Take your pick from any of the countries that he bombed over 22,000 times last year alone,
or any of the other countries bombed by bombs supplied by him.

Over 20,000 Palestinians killed or injured since the day he was elected and he never said a word, except to defend Israel.

Some man he is...........

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/us-dropped-23144-bombs-muslim-majority-countries-2015
I have no interest in defending Obama but on the list of countries on that link would you have him pull the plug on those wars that were started prior to his coming into office?

Which wars were started prior to him becoming President?
Afghanistan and Iraq.