Derry v Galway AISF Sat 9th July 5.30pm Croke Park

[God14]

I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.

The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.

That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.

Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam

[JoG2]

I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.

The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.

That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.

Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam

Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?

[inroundthesquare]

Since 2003
Dublin - 8
Kerry - 5
Tyrone - 4

Cork - 1
Donegal - 1

Can Galway stop another Sam going to the big 3?

[general_lee]

I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.

The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.

That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.

Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam

Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?

The same argument could be levelled at Armagh, McGeeney apparently decided when training was finished, not the physios, S&C coaches etc. You could argue their fitness played a part in the comeback in the QF. I think yesterday Galway were just the better team on the day, had better individual players and got the rub of the green when it mattered

[screenexile]

Let go of the "Hawkeye excuse".
Galway outscored Derry 2-8 to 0-3 between 20th and 70th minutes.

You'll be hard pressed to find any poster using Hawkeye as an excuse for losing the game!!!

[Blowitupref]

Derry's process loyalty and lack of Plan b reminds me of The Irish soccer team. With them the question was whether the players were good enough for anything else .
Ultimately Derry lost because they couldn't score enough. Would any other system have worked ? Probably not.

Which was ultimately down to the defensive team effort by Galway.

[6th sam]

Let go of the "Hawkeye excuse".
Galway outscored Derry 2-8 to 0-3 between 20th and 70th minutes.

You'll be hard pressed to find any poster using Hawkeye as an excuse for losing the game!!!

Don't think anyone is using Hawkeye as an excuse, but if a team lost a game by a point due to a Hawkeye error it would be unthinkable. It's been shown up as not good enough .gaa should ask for its  Money back

[Rossfan]

A number of posters are saying "if Derry  startedvthe second half 1 point up...." and  that momentum switched to Galway because the got back that point..

[God14]

I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.

The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.

That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.

Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam

Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?

They didn't look any fitter or faster, because they weren't. Perhaps as humans there is a ceiling regards the S&C stuff

Just the sheer quantity of training sessions alone would take a toll. I dont believe it is sustainable for a group, long term.
Split season will help though.

[yellowcard]

I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.

The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.

That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.

Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam

Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?

Despite what some would have you believe, none of the top teams will have an edge in S&C. When you get to the level of the top counties it will largely boil down to tactics, footballing ability and decision making. Put simply Galway have better footballers than Derry and it showed yesterday. I was impressed by both Galways defence and game management in the last 2 matches, areas that they were previously weak on.

They have the players up front to at least make it a competitive final and will be going in with zero expectation.

[Walter Cronc]

No complaints after yesterday. Its been a great year and class to see a buzz again in the county..now to kick on and cement our place in the top 6-8 in the country consistently. 2 or 3 quality players needed to break into the top 3 or 4 yet.

[seafoid]

No complaints after yesterday. Its been a great year and class to see a buzz again in the county..now to kick on and cement our place in the top 6-8 in the country consistently. 2 or 3 quality players needed  to break into the top 3 or 4 yet.

Derry need to get promoted to D1 and should prioritise it.
Playing the likes of Meath and Clare is no use for player development.

[Walter Cronc]

Since 2003
Dublin - 8
Kerry - 5
Tyrone - 4

Cork - 1
Donegal - 1

Can Galway stop another Sam going to the big 3?

Football didn't begin in 2003 ffs

[weareros]

Congrats to Galway, excellent, controlled second half. Yesterday was not Derry's day but they played some remarkable football in the championship, so credit where credit is due. They looked tired yesterday and the intense training that served them well in championship up to now might have come against them and taken its toll. That said, I always felt in a cautious defensive encounter Galway would come out on top because they are a stronger attacking team, with lots of players comfortable on the ball, vary their attacks and then the machine that is Comer. Just as Derry can very quickly get back into defensive shape, Galway can too. Joyce has added that to their game and must be given credit as he is a manger that quickly learns and adapts. They will still be up against it but have the mystique, the tradition to win on All-Ireland day when they get there.

[JoG2]

I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.

The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.

That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.

Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam

Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?

The same argument could be levelled at Armagh, McGeeney apparently decided when training was finished, not the physios, S&C coaches etc. You could argue their fitness played a part in the comeback in the QF. I think yesterday Galway were just the better team on the day, had better individual players and got the rub of the green when it mattered

So McGeeney and Gallagher are defying sports science and pushing these men beyond and risking injuries? Derry don't have the luxury of risking injury to too many men.