Down Club Hurling & Football

[cut the crap]

Paudi and co answer me this, do you feel it's still ok to go with the old guard that has brought us to the point of financial ruin, referees aren't paid on time, county players don't get their expenses , county prize winners have to wait on their prizes.
The same old guard have watched , some from the sideline with the county manager ,as this county has dropped further and further behind other counties.
The same old guard hired a super manager in Jim McCorry but because he doesn't conform to The Down Way he gets fired , and I hasten to add not by the club reps but ultimately by the county executive comprised of The old guard
And in case you haven't cottoned on yet , until there is a change in the old guard I will keep hammering on about Burrenbridge,the hiring and firing of managers, the absence of somewhere we can call a centre for our county teams to train etc etc
Forever green brought up a few interesting points about suitable candidates for managerial posts and unearthing new talent, maybe the readers of these posts should take heed.
Last point about Armagh , they removed their full time secretary and yes they have fallen from grace but their minors beat us, their u21 s gave us a savage beating and their seniors are ahead of us ,I think the post is too big for one person, have 2 positions with a goal annual salary equal to what's been paid at present, first position responsible for all matters involving coaching and football and accompanying logistics, the other post responsible for finance, raising finance , talking to corporate sponsors etc, this way one person can't meddle in everything and can't be blamed for everything and can't take the credit for everything.I hope no one is offended in any way but if any do take offence there is obviously a reason so please elaborate

[PaudieSull1]

Was Jim Mc Crory a super manager?? He had the most talented club team in Down yet failed to win the Ulster club championship once......winning Down titles with that Kilcoo team is no massive boast.....good club manager agreed but not sure I'd use the word super to describe him, but your use of that word is telling.

Down were haunted last year in 2/3 of their league games, a bounce of the ball the other way and we could easily have been in the Div 2 relagation fight as opposed to the promotion play off were we were exposed by Roscommon just as we were in both championship games last year.......we are talking about no money and players expenses etc but the previous management team were costing an absolute fortune in what is meant to be an amateur game......I don't think the mc Crory episode was well handled but let's remember only a narrow majority of clubs voted to keep him so it was hardly the ringing endorsement you are alluding to.

What is the point about hammering on about Burrenbridge we all know it was a total f@ck up but you are seeking to blame the wrong people for it, that's my big issue as the current secretary and chairman are actually trying to clear up a mess they didn't create which us hampering everything the county is trying to do as Croke Park now own the debt and Down have to pay them back every month as well as have all their spending supervised.....that is the reality which the county need to deal with and that won't change no matter who is on the Exec....don't fool yourself otherwise

As for Armagh, they choose not to re-appoint a secretary/administrator who the previous term was up, clearly their choice but Down didn't select that option and re-appointed thus removing someone from a post were they have been selected and appointed by Croke Park is going to be very difficult.....assume you understand the concept of employment law etc......this could all get very messy and for what outcome, will we really be any better off

Simple question if the county exec is the sole source of all our woes which you and couple of others are suggesting then our club scene would be flourishing relative to our peers in Ulster so simple question how many club Ulster titles have Down teams won at senior or minor in last 10 yrs?? Surely the Exec can and must do better but clubs, schools etc all need to look in mirror and reflect on their contribution as well

This scapegoating 1/2 people like a few posters are doing is missing the whole point and failing to recognise the reality of the situation we find ourselves in

[Mike Tyson]

Was Jim Mc Crory a super manager?? He had the most talented club team in Down yet failed to win the Ulster club championship once......winning Down titles with that Kilcoo team is no massive boast.....good club manager agreed but not sure I'd use the word super to describe him, but your use of that word is telling.

Down were haunted last year in 2/3 of their league games, a bounce of the ball the other way and we could easily have been in the Div 2 relagation fight as opposed to the promotion play off were we were exposed by Roscommon just as we were in both championship games last year.......we are talking about no money and players expenses etc but the previous management team were costing an absolute fortune in what is meant to be an amateur game......I don't think the mc Crory episode was well handled but let's remember only a narrow majority of clubs voted to keep him so it was hardly the ringing endorsement you are alluding to.

What is the point about hammering on about Burrenbridge we all know it was a total f@ck up but you are seeking to blame the wrong people for it, that's my big issue as the current secretary and chairman are actually trying to clear up a mess they didn't create which us hampering everything the county is trying to do as Croke Park now own the debt and Down have to pay them back every month as well as have all their spending supervised.....that is the reality which the county need to deal with and that won't change no matter who is on the Exec....don't fool yourself otherwise

As for Armagh, they choose not to re-appoint a secretary/administrator who the previous term was up, clearly their choice but Down didn't select that option and re-appointed thus removing someone from a post were they have been selected and appointed by Croke Park is going to be very difficult.....assume you understand the concept of employment law etc......this could all get very messy and for what outcome, will we really be any better off

Simple question if the county exec is the sole source of all our woes which you and couple of others are suggesting then our club scene would be flourishing relative to our peers in Ulster so simple question how many club Ulster titles have Down teams won at senior or minor in last 10 yrs?? Surely the Exec can and must do better but clubs, schools etc all need to look in mirror and reflect on their contribution as well

This scapegoating 1/2 people like a few posters are doing is missing the whole point and failing to recognise the reality of the situation we find ourselves in

How many have Donegal or Tyrone won in the same period?


Edit: Picked your point up wrong, know what you're trying to say now.

[The Down Way]

David Cameron had the decency to resign after the UK voted to leave the EU.
Roy Hodgson had a resignation speech prepared before the Iceland game and did the decent thing after a humiliating defeat.
Sean og does not have an ounce of decency. We have suffered humiliating defeats over the last number of years but everyone else has had to take the long walk off the short plank except Chucky Ned. We have become cannon fodder for the bigger teams and whipping boys for minnows.
As stated earlier our county finances are an absolute disgrace, we are close to £2m in the red. Players and referees are waiting on their expenses and the county draw/tax is a shambles.

He has to go. There has to be a sweetie shop somewhere in the county that he can run into the ground.  #SackChuckyNed

[Brick Tamlin]

Youre going to achieve nothing by being abusive and disrespectful as an anonymous poster on an internet discussion forum.
Surely you understand that integrity and credibility are key when youre trying to sell your points to the masses and at the minute you lack in both areas.
Any valid points you may inadvertently make are completely overshadowed by the tone and delivery of your language.

Id imagine your most recent reincarnation will probably end in another ban shortly.

[AS]

David Cameron had the decency to resign after the UK voted to leave the EU.
Roy Hodgson had a resignation speech prepared before the Iceland game and did the decent thing after a humiliating defeat.
Sean og does not have an ounce of decency. We have suffered humiliating defeats over the last number of years but everyone else has had to take the long walk off the short plank except Chucky Ned. We have become cannon fodder for the bigger teams and whipping boys for minnows.
As stated earlier our county finances are an absolute disgrace, we are close to £2m in the red. Players and referees are waiting on their expenses and the county draw/tax is a shambles.

He has to go. There has to be a sweetie shop somewhere in the county that he can run into the ground.  #SackChuckyNed

How's your own business doing these days?

[Smurfy123]

AS so tell

Some rubbish posted on here of late

We are where we are at the minute let's deal with it

The big question is do we stick with the current management team or not?

What's the pros and cons of sticking ?

[Johnny McCumiskey]

Well said PaudieSull1 , a lot of things very true in that post

[bannside]

Time for some people here to Cut the Crap. Ridiculous amount of personal abuse.  Could get very messy for some due to the amount of slander and innuendo. My advice for some is to back off and take your challenge through the legitimate channels and see how that goes.

[saulzer]

One puppeteer used for pull the strings for Sooty and Sweep; looks like two county board puppeteers are pulling the strings for PaudieSull1.

[AS]

Time for some people here to Cut the Crap. Ridiculous amount of personal abuse.  Could get very messy for some due to the amount of slander and innuendo. My advice for some is to back off and take your challenge through the legitimate channels and see how that goes.

Not bad advice there Bannside but the problem with it,is that some of these people are not even actual Club members therefore they have no channel in which to follow through with their so called challenge and take to the keyboard anonymously to vent their poisonous thoughts.

[PaudieSull1]

Nobody pulling my strings Saulzer but sick of seeing keyboard warriors spouting rubbish and bile here.....if some of you knew anything about how the GAA is run then you would understand that some of the rub bush being spouted here us simply that rubbish......nobody us happy with how Down performed thus year or indeed last year but some if the blame game here is nonsensical never mind being highly personal and inaccurate.

Simple question what would ye do to deal with the Burrenbridge debt.....Croke Park aren't just going to write it off, let's hear the great ideas instead if simply blaming those who are trying to deal with the situation........let's not forget county boards up and down the country are all struggling financial mainly due to the crazy outlays on inter county teams driven by egotistic and greedy management teams....Eamonn Burns may not be the greatest manager but at least he isn't ripping off the county unlike some other managers

[cut the crap]

Ah well , let's continue the way we are, sure the situation will fix itself,there will be a few pound coming into the county accounts to pay all the o/s prizes from the forthcoming county championship, the county team expenses won't be that much as we are out early again and our lack of cash flow will be sorted.
You just couldn't make it up,sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.

[knockitdown]

Ah well , let's continue the way we are, sure the situation will fix itself,there will be a few pound coming into the county accounts to pay all the o/s prizes from the forthcoming county championship, the county team expenses won't be that much as we are out early again and our lack of cash flow will be sorted.
You just couldn't make it up,sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.

Maybe you would take a go at answering Paudi's question on how to deal with the debt, rather than going off on another idiotic, meaningless rant   

[The Down Way]

Eamonn Burns may not be the greatest manager but at least he isn't ripping off the county unlike some other managers

I suppose that really is The Down Way, summed up in one sentence. Let's get rid of a man who, against all the odds, got us to Divison 1, because he wasn't providing value for money. It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it?
Is Sean og providing value for money? Or could his salary be put to better use within the county?
Maybe we could cut a few more corners, do the players really need fed after training, could they not use public transport to and from games? Maybe they should bring their own water. Tap water would be better for them anyway.

The people who ran up the debt are responsible for it, let them sort it. They were reckless with our finances. Does our county secretaries remit not cover finance or is his salary his only concern?

#SackChuckyNed