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Just on the Rashford comments, I think that the Euro final loss had a big effect on him, Sancho, Shaw and Maguire. Kane at Spurs springs to mind as well.
England win that match and I think you see different players at this stage of the season.

Very proud of that Glenn win tonight.
I thought Bransford were handy enough tonight, but Glenn were more in control of the game.
That Glenn team can,  and I hope they do, give Burren a rattle. Nothing to lose.

Quite a performance tonight from what is clearly the best underage team we have produced since the 2005 AI minor champions. They were a brilliantly organised side, with every player comfortable on the ball and confident in the system. Monaghan put in a massive effort in the most difficult of circumstances, but just a little more calmness by our forwards would have finished the contest comfortably in normal time. However, extra time was a clinical exercise with our ability to retain possession and use our pace hugely impressive. O'Hare was a well deserved man of the match, and his interview afterwards was also exceptional, but there were plenty of other fine performances and Gilmore coming off the bench was a game changer. While the AI semi against Roscommon is only a week away, we have a serious management unit and the squad will be well up for it.

Excellent review. That is a serious Down team.

First off, hard luck to Monaghan, they were a credit to their county. A few lads and supporters were in bits at the end. Just so sad and hard to comprehend.

I hope for all the best for them in the future and sincere sympathy with the Dufaigh family.

Everything about Down tonight really impressed me.
The missed chances, the times when we looked buried, down to 14. Monaghan at times looking like sure winners.
As a defender in my playing days I always look at the grind of a win. Downs tackling was flawless tonight.

What won it for Down was their command of the basic skills and the confidence to play football. To stick to a plan. Kilcoo-esque maybe?

I thought what would cause Down to lose tonight was the historical habit of us losing and winning nothing for so long. Not to these players.
Mistakes were made but it cared not a jot. A trait that is taught.

Finally when we won, the understated celebration of the win was what marked the night for me. The respect that Down management and team showed toward Monaghan will live with me for a long time.

Now for Monaghan to win the Ulster senior championship. Come on the Farney!

I know some had a cut across Angelo earlier in the thread but he is absolutely right about the lack of knowledge of this massacre in the minds of many. This was a massacre, an unadulterated massacre. The MSM in the south routinely bring out the names of Jean McConville, the treatment of Maria Cahill and the death of Paul Quinn but I have rarely, if ever, heard much support for the families of the Ballymurphy victims. I'll be honest it is part of the revisionism of history of the Troubles that sickens me. The lack of empathy and understanding from many quarters of what happened up here is astounding. I think about it now and then and realise what we grew up in and think how could someone a few miles down the road dismiss it?  And they did as I often found out as a teenager playing schools football and being called an orange, Nordie, Brit bastard.

The hierarchy of victims in the eyes of the media sickens my hole. The British army murder 11 innocent people nearly 50 years ago. Each one who pulled a trigger that day and each commanding officer over them is guilty of a war crime and should be tried accordingly. I would love to hear my fellow 'Irish men' call that out

Great post. The dismissive comments from unionism and supporters of British forces is one thing but from fellow Irish people is very saddening.

Absolutely 💯

A few great posts this last couple of pages BCB. Fair play.

[it could get real ugly real fast and if it kickoff it will make the northern ireland troubles look like a picnic]

it could get real ugly real fast and if it kickoff it will make the northern ireland troubles look like a picnic. they're  talking about armed protests in all 50 states.They say there going back to dc but i think they will get scared unless they have massive numbers but they might try something somewhere else.

Astounded by this comment.

Still can't my head around yesterday.
10 point lead and a manager with this reputation as being defensive.
This is an all time low.
Let's start from goalkeeper - one dimensional kick outs and no presence under a high ball - look at the penalty incident. Far better keepers in the county than the ex St Marys keeper.
The defence - Kevin McKiernan a great servant to Down but not up to it anymore and especially in key role as 'sweeper'. The ex St Marys player's better days are behind him. Others like Paddy Murdock , Peter Fagan and Daniel Guinness part of the great QUB defence that lost to DCU in Sigerson by about 30 points. Seems to be only interested in these college players and if you look at the squad there are guys there can't even get starting places on their college teams and they are very poor Sigerson teams compared to the past. On kick outs these guys made little movement to give us options as opposed to going long  literally all the time.
Midfield in second half was non existent - Johnny Flynn was bullied out of it.Dylan Ward should have started full stop.Caolan Mooney outstanding and then went quiet.
Up front Jerome Johnston was fantastic in first half and his leg seemed to bother him in second. Liam Kerr was great too but then to be taken off has to be a mystery. Barry O'Hagan the great 'kicker' should have been called off at half time but the biggest mystery is Conor 'never out of the gym' staying on. He wouldn't get on a decent club side.Donal O'Hare just not at this level anymore.
The substitutions I couldn't get my head around ,Corey Quinn needed on yes as did Dylan Ward but the other two they offered nothing, James Guinness an average at best club player (don't think he even starts automatically for his club) and Sheelin Johnston young and not even an established starter for his club.. How Ryan Johnston was not on early is inexplicable.
I think Tally needs help on the side-line as what he has there at the minute is limited. I'd hope to see him be a bit ruthless with his managerial assistants and get a football man in not a gym guy.
There were players in Club Championship who should have been asked in to join the squad.
Yesterday was a dark day for county.

Ah catch yourself on.

I am no fan of Tally and would be very critical of his playing style. I think most of the points you have made above are way off the mark. You have put the boot in there to a group of lads who had to:

Play a completely different brand of football that they have been playing for the last few years - who would have thought - kick passing and playing in the opponents half. And changing to this at a late stage in the championship;

They excelled and gave us the best half of football in this years championship, in the worst conditions;

Deal with a referee who played Cavan back into the match;

Deal with a situation where they had to defend a big lead, in an Ulster SF, against a very hungry and more experienced Cavan team. How many of them would have experience of that?

Play on with some serious questions over substitution decisions, and a serious amount of responsibility placed on relatively inexperienced shoulders;

All of the above, and if they had have taken their goal chances, they would have beat Cavan off the park.

And lost by just a point.

I feel sorry for the players more than I am disappointed. I also feel sorry for Tally, as I believe he set up to win by going for it.

I can't see how your dissection above adds to the discussion.

It is not an all time low. 2019 vs Louth in Pairc Esler was a lot worse.

Dark days if you focus on the bad.

With regards to doping, the most telling interview for me was Federer after Sharapova was banned for drug use.

He basically said that everyone in the game knew the dopers, and it was time for the big name dopers to be outed.
(Not the words of a guilty man imo).

The interview was before a match against Nadal; Federer said it was an honour to share the court with a true professional.

For me that day, Federer pointed the finger directly at Djokovic, whose form fell away drastically for a couple of years after Federer said this.
I often wonder did he lie low and come off the juice until things quietened down again.

The only other big name at the time was Murray, one person that can never be accused of doping! He always looked knackered at the end of the first set!

Go Games are non-competitive.

Yes, have been at a plethora of Go Games the last couple of years. Good players are never subbed off. Weak players are hidden in the corners of the pitch and subbed off in rotation. If a weak player get the ball he is encouraged to pass. The stronger player is told to run with the ball and never encouraged to pass to a weaker player . Winning is all that matters to the Coaches. Coach ego is far more important than weak player or team development. 

Some wankers coaching them u8 and u10 teams. Arseholes who think they're Jim Gavin.

Assholes with short term goals.

The only thing worse is bleeding heart parents taking their kids to a plethora of matches, complaining at every farts turn about the coaches and never getting involved to help.

From Brolly's interview, a couple of things I made from it:

Coleman on two occasions bottled the chance to repair the divide between CB and the players, leaving it up to the players to decide the extent of McGuigan's involvement. Not very good managerial skills imo.

In fact, after listening to that interview, I would lay the blame solely with the players. Their egos were out of control, to the point that it got nasty.
Why did it take for Coleman to meet them to make them realise the fundamental point that Derry GAA was all that mattered?
That they wouldn't listen to their own friends and families.
Taking to calling fellow GAA players scabs because they played for their county in a time of need. Jesus.

I like listening to Brolly, but sometimes he has you shouting at the screen. The sign of a good pundit I suppose (His article in this week's Sunday Independent was excellent).

It's easy to say they would have won more AIs if Coleman had have stayed.

I have heard from more than one of the Down 90s team that they felt they left an AI behind them, 92 in particular.

American country folk singer-songwriter. John Prine.  From COVID-19 related illness. Aged 73.

Ah no - loved John Prine.
Johnny Cash's favourite singer/songwriter - Lake Marie is a great song.
RIP

Just to wish management and team all the best for the year, and hope they bring some pride back to Down football.

Well done Kilcoo. Now to win it.

No it's not

Just started watching The Devil Next Door on Netflix.  I'm only at the beginning but it has the potential to be another cracking Netflix Docu-series!  The story of the trial of an accused Nazi concentration camp worker living in the US. "Ivan the Terrible"

Finished this over the weekend.  Amazing and horrifying stuff really.  They could have done more episodes on this and put a lot more of the detail in it I think.

Shocking how US immigration allowed former Nazi's to settle in their country without much of a problem... although I suppose this could be applied to a few countries.

Just finished it today, so many different levels to this, first off he was a guard at one of these camps, those survivors wanted to believe it was him, and why go to such an elaborate way to 'fix' him up?

The Americans were happy to take on the German scientists and the money men from Germany.

He was guilty I'd say, maybe not Ivan the terrible but he needed to be at least made accountable for his actions so sending him back to Germany was right

What I took from it was that the Soviets were apprehensive of the ties forming between Ukraine and Israel, due to the fact that so many Ukraninan Jews had settled in Israel after the war.
The whole thing was made up to unsettle this relationship, and when the USSR dissolved, the KGB released papers to show it was bs and the man was released.
He obviously was still heavily involved in genocide, hence the second trial, which he never made.

Has anyone got the squad list, or a link?