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Never read so much bullshit in my life... Carryduff an establishment club!
It's like Carryduff and Burren are behind some conspiracy to clean up Division 4 & Junior championship, because that's where clubs of their calibre currently see their best chances of silverware...
Believe me, they won't be playing all their best talent at this level, I'd hazard a guess they've taken stock of their playing numbers and decided that fielding at Division 4 is best way to provide meaningful football for their increasing numbers.

[BURREN GAC]

Putting my league predictions here so as to not pollute the main thread:

Div 1
CLONDUFF GAC   vs   BURREN GAC 
BRYANSFORD   vs   KILCOO   
CASTLEWELLAN   vs  LOUGHINISLAND   
MAYOBRIDGE   vs   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA
RGU DOWNPATRICK   vs   CARRYDUFF   
ROSTREVOR   vs   BALLYHOLLAND

Div 2
DARRAGH CROSS   vs   BREDAGH   
ST JOHN'S DRUMNAQUOILE   vs   SABHAILL NAOMH PÁDRAIG
ANNACLONE   vs   LIATROIM   
LONGSTONE   vs   AN RIOCHT
SAVAL   vs   GLENN JOHN MARTINS GFC

Div 3
DROMARA   vs   CLANN NA BANNA
AUGHLISNAFIN   vs   BRIGHT
ST JOHN BOSCO GAC   vs   TULLYLISH
TECONNAUGHT   vs  ST PAUL'S
NEWRY SHAMROCKS   vs   DRUMGATH
BALLYMARTIN   vs  ATTICALL

Div 4a
DUNDRUM GAC   vs   EAST BELFAST 
KILCLIEF BEN DEARG GAC   vs   ST COLMAN'S DRUMANESS

[Clonduff]

SFC

Clonduff V Cumann Pheadair Naofa
Longstone V Carryduff
Glenn V Castlewellan
Bredagh V Mayobridge


IFC

Clann na Banna V Saval
Attical V St Paul's
Darragh Cross V Newry Shamrocks
Drumgath V Ballymartin

The reality with international football is that unless you are England, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy etc etc then you can't just decide that you're going to change your "philosophy" and start "playing football" and that managers need time to bed in and implement said "philosophy".

A load of ballex. International football is about getting results. It's a series of one-off games. Countries like Ireland don't have the luxury of calling up x y and z who will slot in nicely whenever their star players are injured. We have a limited pool to choose from and any number of players could be absent which on any given day could fück up the chances of qualifying for a major tournament. A good manager sets the team up to get a result. Trap, McCarthy x2 MON might not have played nice football nor had any intention of it. But they got results. If qualifying means parking the bus and hoofing it then give me that any day over finishing bottom without a whimper under a new "philosophy".

[CPN]

SFC

CPN V Longstone
Saul v Burren
Bredagh v Castlewellan
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Ballyholland
Bryansford v Glenn
RGU v Carryduff

IFC

AnRiocht v Ballymartin
Clann na Banna v Dromara
St Johns Bosco v Atticall
Shamrocksv Drumgath
St Johns v Liatroim
St Pauls v Annaclone
Saval v Darragh Cross
Tullylishv Bright


JFC

Mitchels v Glasdrummanr
Drumaness v St Michaels
East Belfast v Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin v Teconnaught
Ardglass v Dundrum

[Rostrevor]

Predictions Round 2

SFC

Bredagh vs Rostrevor
Longstone vs Bally Holland
Darraghcross vs Loughinisland
Clonduff vs Bryansford
Castewellan vs Burren
Kilcoo vs CPN
RGU vs Carryduff
Mayobridge vs Glenn


IFC

Letrim vs Shamrocks
St Johns vs Saul
Bright vs Dromara
Saval vs Teconnaught
Ballymartin vs Attical
Bosco vs CLB
An Roicht vs Drumgath
Annalcone vs Tullylish

JFC

East Belfast vs Kilclief
Mitchels vs St Michaels
Ardglass vs Aghaderg

Anyone follow Ruth Dudley Edwards? An absolute hateful individual. She uses the death of John Hume to further her own hatred of nationalists.

Attention seeking bitch

[Burren]

SFC Round 1

CPN vs Burren
Kilcoo vs Mayobridge
Ballyholland vs Darraghcross
Glenn vs Bryansford
Carryduff vs Clonduff
Rostrevor vs RGU
Longstone vs Loughinisland
Castlewellan vs Bredagh

IFC Round 1

An Riocht vs Teconnaught
Annaclone vs Bright
Leitrim vs Saval
Atticall vs Shamrocks
Dromara vs St Johns
Bosco vs Tullylish
Saul vs Ballymartin
Drumgath va Clann na Banna

JFC Round 1

St Paul's vs Mitchell's
Glassdrumman vs St Michaels
Finn vs Ardglass
Dundrum vs East Belfast
Aghaderg vs Drumaness

An excellent development opportunity for Down GAA which certainly outweighs it's less than ideal location. You're clutching at straws when you are using inconveniencing the opposition in your argument (that's a good thing!)

Interesting to note that our neighbours in Armagh have recently approved ambitious plans for a new training complex. Where? Portadown. No panic about sponsors, prime location etc.

I think using Dublin based players as an excuse not to go ahead with Ballykinlar is clutching at straws. There are men that travel from Dublin to Tyrone, Donegal etc to train with their counties and to suggest Down men are any less committed to their County is disrespectful bordering on cynical. I think the real issue is the south down men will have to go further than Newry to reach this new facility 

Suppose the burren men have to do their slabbering online 😂 too scared of Kilcoo to say it to their faces 😂

Down Fanatics proposal is basically what Armagh have minus the play offs. I'm not sure how I feel about a team finishing top of a league then having to win a play off to win it.

Back in the 80's I seem to remember Annsborough playing in division 5 against Castlewellan seconds

To put the best six premier reserves into Division 4 is madness as the premier reserves would give most of the current div 3 teams a run for their money. would be better putting all six into div 3 now than death by a thousand cuts. and why will they not because you could have a team or two promoted to div 2 in the first year.

its not just division 4 that should be concerned but every club outwith div 1

I am all for improvements but this only improves things for the establishment clubs, the big clubs in Down that need to cater for 30 - 45 players, another thing it will need more referees and therein lies the main reason why it wont work period

Surely improving the standard at lower levels will improve the standard overall? Seconds teams also competed in junior championship before with Clonduff and Castlewellan winning titles in early 90s. There's no guarantee it will be a cake walk this time though providing proper rules are put in place and are well enforced. And surely if you take 6 teams away from premier reserve there'll be less matches that needed refereed there?

Oh to be 21 again 

Armagh teams have not always enterted seconds teams. In the last 20 or so years Crossmaglen are the only team to have done so, with Killeavy (until this month an intermediate team) and Cullyhanna following suit in recent years. Other clubs have dabbled and it remains to be seen each year which teams will forward a seconds team. I don't see why such fluidity shouldn't be afforded in Down and in fact I don't see what there is to lose. At the end of the day only teams who feel they have the playing numbers and willingness to make it work will enter teams anyway.