Brexit.

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t_mac

Ian-Duncan Smith not impressed!

Main Street

Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2019, 11:42:43 AM
In fairness to Boris he's gone all in now!

If the deal doesn't pass Parliament he has to go for the extension and the General Election.

If that's the case he can't run on a No Deal platform he'll have to campaign on his deal which brings the Brexit Party into play! They haven't said it yet but there's no way they're going for it which rules out an election pact.

The numbers in the commons is key he's currently -45 votes ... there's a good chance he'll get a chunk of the 21 back but can he convince enough Labour MP's to go for it and can he talk the DUP round??

I'm waiting for someone with more knowledge of the detail to confirm it to me but does anyone know what exactly this means for the North??
I'm assuming parliament will reject this deal.
The conservatives can't function as a majority government now, there's a stalemate, there needs to be a general election. All polls point to  a conservative victory in an election with Johnson at the helm. The conservatives will peddle this "deal" on their platform  thereby reducing support for the brexit party at the polls, they'll gain a safe majority and pass the deal into law. The general english population are completely ignorant about NI and the UDP and couldn't care less if their veto is shafted on the "deal".

Afaiu,  PM Johnson only needs to gets the queen's consent in order to call for a snap election.

Hound

I've said for a long time that the only possible deal is an NI only Backstop with a renewable timelimit. This is exactly that, under a different name. And a key difference to the May deal. But even whether it gets through is looking dicey.

t_mac

Ian Duncan Smith really isn't on board with this, if that is the case how many more of the ERG aren't!

NAG1

Quote from: t_mac on October 17, 2019, 12:39:52 PM
Ian Duncan Smith really isn't on board with this, if that is the case how many more of the ERG aren't!

Bit of catch 22 here with the DUP, when the ERG needed them in terms of the numbers they were hardline on the customs border etc Now that the DUP need the ERG (even though they really couldnt care less about them or NI) they cant/ wont be seen to sell them out.

Going to be tricky to get it through parliament, Lib Dems seem to be pinning their hopes that a second referendum will be attached to an approval of the deal to give final say back to the people.

t_mac

IDS said if EU affirm it is this deal or no deal, those who prefer no deal, like him won't back it!  Maybe it is Bojo's master plan.

t_mac

Junker just confirmed there will be no extension - it could all get very messy - so 31st October UK is out deal or no deal, enjoy the trick and treating folks.

imtommygunn

Suspect no deal is coming so >:(

Solo_run

This is what Boris wanted. He always wanted a no deal brexit.

He goes to Brussels and then says there is a deal that he knows will not get through Parliament. It's the second deal the EU has had to negotiate. BJ is going to speak to the EU leaders and tell them to say no to an extension (Junker had apparently said no extension will be given) so the opposition's law by which he has to ask for an extension will be avoided. That leaves parliament with either BJ deal or No deal.

Taylor

Quote from: Solo_run on October 17, 2019, 02:27:41 PM
This is what Boris wanted. He always wanted a no deal brexit.

He goes to Brussels and then says there is a deal that he knows will not get through Parliament. It's the second deal the EU has had to negotiate. BJ is going to speak to the EU leaders and tell them to say no to an extension (Junker had apparently said no extension will be given) so the opposition's law by which he has to ask for an extension will be avoided. That leaves parliament with either BJ deal or No deal.

And this will suit BJ and all his financial backers in the City who have money riding on leaving.
Not to mention the new European law coming in January which would mean it wuold be more difficult to hide money in off shore accounts.

You couldnt make it up - BJ is the most devious bastid the HOC has ever seen and that is saying something.

Pity the Scum reading side of the population cant see him what he is for.

I would love to sit back and let them reap what they have sown if it didnt put NI into a complete quagmire

mouview

Quote from: Solo_run on October 17, 2019, 02:27:41 PM
This is what Boris wanted. He always wanted a no deal brexit.

He goes to Brussels and then says there is a deal that he knows will not get through Parliament. It's the second deal the EU has had to negotiate. BJ is going to speak to the EU leaders and tell them to say no to an extension (Junker had apparently said no extension will be given) so the opposition's law by which he has to ask for an extension will be avoided. That leaves parliament with either BJ deal or No deal.

May have to accede to a bill amendment then allowing a second ref. on it for Labour/Opposition to support it. In which case, BJ and government could vote against their own agreement as they (Cummings) apparently would prefer No Deal than one with a Referendum attached. You could not make this up! Kind of boxes Labour in a bit though now. I can understand the EU and Brussels' frustration with the whole Brexit saga, but they shouldn't have stated that it's this deal or none, and no extension. Plays into BJ's hands.

yellowcard

Yet another Twitter statement release from the DUP.

This is their new form of media since they have lost the ability to move their mouths. Limited tv and radio appearances, they now communicate predominantly through twitter. 

HiMucker

Quote from: mouview on October 17, 2019, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on October 17, 2019, 02:27:41 PM
This is what Boris wanted. He always wanted a no deal brexit.

He goes to Brussels and then says there is a deal that he knows will not get through Parliament. It's the second deal the EU has had to negotiate. BJ is going to speak to the EU leaders and tell them to say no to an extension (Junker had apparently said no extension will be given) so the opposition's law by which he has to ask for an extension will be avoided. That leaves parliament with either BJ deal or No deal.

May have to accede to a bill amendment then allowing a second ref. on it for Labour/Opposition to support it. In which case, BJ and government could vote against their own agreement as they (Cummings) apparently would prefer No Deal than one with a Referendum attached. You could not make this up! Kind of boxes Labour in a bit though now. I can understand the EU and Brussels' frustration with the whole Brexit saga, but they shouldn't have stated that it's this deal or none, and no extension. Plays into BJ's hands.
Yeah, but when does enough become enough for them? Clearly the whole thing has dragged on too long and the EU just want it done with. The French in particular have been going bonkers about it.

Solo_run

#8533
Quote from: HiMucker on October 17, 2019, 02:48:55 PM
Quote from: mouview on October 17, 2019, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on October 17, 2019, 02:27:41 PM
This is what Boris wanted. He always wanted a no deal brexit.

He goes to Brussels and then says there is a deal that he knows will not get through Parliament. It's the second deal the EU has had to negotiate. BJ is going to speak to the EU leaders and tell them to say no to an extension (Junker had apparently said no extension will be given) so the opposition's law by which he has to ask for an extension will be avoided. That leaves parliament with either BJ deal or No deal.

May have to accede to a bill amendment then allowing a second ref. on it for Labour/Opposition to support it. In which case, BJ and government could vote against their own agreement as they (Cummings) apparently would prefer No Deal than one with a Referendum attached. You could not make this up! Kind of boxes Labour in a bit though now. I can understand the EU and Brussels' frustration with the whole Brexit saga, but they shouldn't have stated that it's this deal or none, and no extension. Plays into BJ's hands.
Yeah, but when does enough become enough for them? Clearly the whole thing has dragged on too long and the EU just want it done with. The French in particular have been going bonkers about it.

That's what the UK have tried to do for the last few months - frustrate the EU enough to look like they are the ones holding UK back and it will certainly be the stance the government takes. There is going to be a serious about of fall out over this and the EU will sit back laughing.

The ERG have shown more than anything this last few days how useless they actually are. They are following what the DUP want - hopefully it is a facade to keep them happy for now.


t_mac

If a no deal occurs Jo Swinson must take responsibility - she was the only one refusing to put Corbyn in as caretaker PM, completely deluded and full of herself based on nonsensical European Election protest votes!