Brexit.

[Armamike]

England, if not all of the UK of GB & NI, is getting torn apart as what had papered over the cracks previously has been completely ripped from the walls.

Most of the MPs know that pretty much any form of Brexit is going to cause the geopolitical equivalent of gagging to be sectioned, but are terrified of either getting backlash from their own constituency, face deselection from entryists, put party before country or be rightly worried about getting physically harmed. If it happened to Jo Cox it could happen to any of them. That leaves you with a rump of zealots that would be happy to direct the country to be run into the ground as long as it benefited them and their mates - if shit happens they can always take their wealth abroad and allow the "commoners" to rot away in the mess they left behind, or political opportunists like Michael Gove looking for the right time to step over May.

That's not forgetting the official "Vote Leave" being found guilty of committing electoral offences with evidence having been destroyed, not to mention the activities of Cambridge Analytica, eastern European troll farms and the ongoing criminal investigation by the National Crime Agency into Aaron Banks. At the very least the full withdrawal should be suspended until that investigation is completed. If any other successful referendum grouping in another country were found to have engaged in the same blatant practises that were against the law but the fairly narrow result was allowed to stand the likes of the Sun, Daily Mail & Telegraph would be clapping like seals about how such a country is a banana republic.

If the UK leaves EU with a "No deal, WTO-trade Brexit" then it's odds-on the Union will be torn apart. Sturgeon and the SNP will almost certainly get a mandate to call for IndyRef II, and with at least a customs border between the north and south of Ireland and the almost certain economic retardation that NI will receive, things are going to turn to shit pretty quickly up here, likely to lead to calls at some point for an Irish unity referendum to be called. What's even more galling is the attitude of some English Conservative MPs (and Kate Hoey) of brushing off the potential of trouble in NI and breaking the Good Friday Agreement for the sake of their English-first outlook of their political ambitions. The likes of Sammy Wilson and IPJ are too full of their own shit in safe Westminster seats to not notice or care much, but the likes of Nigel Dodds at least is starting to realise that a Brexit that significantly harms NI is not going to keep it in the UK for very long. That and I doubt he wants another brick to his head.

This has already started, with the likes of Rees-Mogg moving funds to Dublin.

[Rossfan]

Could do without the Eurocrats putting out the frighteners; should be coaxing the UK

Maybe seeing as they're acting like totally silly children....

[RadioGAAGAA]

Could do without the Eurocrats putting out the frighteners; should be coaxing the UK along.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pierre-moscovici-says-risk-of-a-no-deal-brexit-on-april-12th-is-increasing-1.3848106

Coaxing them?

They are like a 2 year old that is constantly walking up to that big lit fire... with each grubby wee hand holding a can of petrol.

Far beyond the point of gentle persuasion.

[mouview]

Yvette Cooper bill 3rd reading scrapes through by 1 vote. Passed to House of Lords for further ratification. Prevents No-Deal by law on April 12 if no agreement withdrawal.

[Solo_run]

Yvette Cooper bill 3rd reading scrapes through by 1 vote. Passed to House of Lords for further ratification. Prevents No-Deal by law on April 12 if no agreement withdrawal.

What's to stop the EU from refusing to renegotiate the deal and just keep UK in EU?

[Eamonnca1]

Some of these votes are getting tight now. SF's absence from the chamber could start to come into play.

[mouview]

Yvette Cooper bill 3rd reading scrapes through by 1 vote. Passed to House of Lords for further ratification. Prevents No-Deal by law on April 12 if no agreement withdrawal.

What's to stop the EU from refusing to renegotiate the deal and just keep UK in EU?

Can't really happen by default. EU law would trump UK law on this and the UK are legally leaving unless they revoke A50, or else seek an extension of some length. Of course, EU leaders, Macron in particular, could vote to give the UK no more time, but while the vote needs to be unanimous, I'd say the majority would still prefer the UK to stay in. Angela Merkel in particular would hold a lot of influence in this, and our own voice should not be underestimated because of the GFA and that our own country would be most adversely affected.

[Denn Forever]

Isn't Angela Merkel in Ireland today?  Hope she goes to the Border.

[TheOptimist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47808880

Read the comments on this one. They can go f*** themselves. Not all of them, just the d**ks

[seafoid]

Tusk has suggested a delay of a year
That is probably the end of the nonsense for a while

[mouview]

To probably appease the ERGers, Tessie has suggested only until June 30th.

[seafoid]

To probably appease the ERGers, Tessie has suggested only until June 30th.

The EU won't accept unless she has a credible plan that can command a sizeable majority

And that is about as likely as Cavan winning the All Ireland

[trailer]

To probably appease the ERGers, Tessie has suggested only until June 30th.

The EU won't accept unless she has a credible plan that can command a sizeable majority

And that is about as likely as Cavan winning the All Ireland

Could we be into rolling Brexit limbo groudhog day scenario forever where they intend to leave but never actually do?
The idea seems to be an extension but if you get the deal passed, the date is moved forward.

What an almighty shit show. As someone who is in business and am trying to make future plans, this is akin to a long deep painful injection into the bone that won't stop.

[johnnycool]

To probably appease the ERGers, Tessie has suggested only until June 30th.

The EU won't accept unless she has a credible plan that can command a sizeable majority

And that is about as likely as Cavan winning the All Ireland

Could we be into rolling Brexit limbo groudhog day scenario forever where they intend to leave but never actually do?
The idea seems to be an extension but if you get the deal passed, the date is moved forward.

What an almighty shit show. As someone who is in business and am trying to make future plans, this is akin to a long deep painful injection into the bone that won't stop.

Is it not a "flextension" on offer?
i.e. The EU offer a year or so, but if the UK can get a deal through Parliament that the EU support earlier then that's that.

Gotta love these new buzz words

[seafoid]

To probably appease the ERGers, Tessie has suggested only until June 30th.

The EU won't accept unless she has a credible plan that can command a sizeable majority

And that is about as likely as Cavan winning the All Ireland

Could we be into rolling Brexit limbo groudhog day scenario forever where they intend to leave but never actually do?
The idea seems to be an extension but if you get the deal passed, the date is moved forward.

What an almighty shit show. As someone who is in business and am trying to make future plans, this is akin to a long deep painful injection into the bone that won't stop.

Is it not a "flextension" on offer?
i.e. The EU offer a year or so, but if the UK can get a deal through Parliament that the EU support earlier then that's that.

Gotta love these new buzz words

The longer Brexit is delayed , the less Leave voters are around . It is not going to happen imo