Eighth Amendment poll

Started by Farrandeelin, May 01, 2018, 03:36:55 PM

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Are you in favour of repealing the 8th amendment?

Yes
47 (21.8%)
Yes but have no vote
73 (33.8%)
No
40 (18.5%)
No but have no vote
36 (16.7%)
Undecided
20 (9.3%)

Total Members Voted: 216

Voting closed: May 24, 2018, 03:36:55 PM

Dolph1

Quote from: longballin link=t'opic=28613.msg1810808#msg1810808 date=1527358052
Quote from: Dolph1 on May 26, 2018, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 26, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
A moral compass taking babies off their mothers to sell to rich Americans or throwing them into a pit in Tuam, raping children and  still covering it up. Treating women as underclass. No more Savitas. Your Ireland is over.

That is not happening in current day. Stop using that as an excuse.

And your answer to this is to give people the option to murder their baby. Is that not exactly the same as throwing them in a pit??  but you want to call it progress???

It would be if the church could have continued it and yes the cover-ups continue to emerge. It was that 'murder' rhetoric saw the No campaign hammered. No humanity or understanding of women's rights whatsoever.

I'll ask you to clarify because to me your hypocrisy is breathtaking. You are calling out the church for murdering children in the past but in the present you are advocating the murder of children by individuals?

Please tell me how there is a difference.


Trump 2020. Making America Greater Again

seafoid

Any books on the history of NI before it all went arseways in the late 60s cover the smug postwar attitude of unionists to the alien jusisdiction below Newry. NI had social welfare and motorways. NI had divorce.
Taigistan had none of those.
Now Shangri-la is the one looking old fashioned.

 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/26/abortion-referendum-likely-to-put-pressure-on-northern-ireland-politicians
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

BennyHarp

#947
Given the opportunity,  I most likely would have voted yes on balance but with a very heavy heart and with a lot of personal soul searching about the morality of it all. But I am hugely disappointed about the outpouring of glee, joy and in some cases smugness about the result. Yes, this is a welcome step forward for the rights of women but it has very serious consequences. The abortion of an unborn baby, regardless of the arguments around the legitimacy of when it becomes life, is a very grave thing and not something to be dancing in the streets about. So hopefully the country can move forward from this with a bit of class from both sides.
That was never a square ball!!

magpie seanie

I'm very pleased with the result and like everyone, pretty surprised by the margin. I think it's the right result for many reasons. Those who opposed the removal of the 8th amendment are simply saying they don't want it on our turf (unless they oppose the right to travel which I'm sure some do but wouldn't say because of how crazy that is). When the people who voted sat down and thought it through based on facts and the testimonies of many women they knew the 8th had to go. There is no alternative that deals with the so-called hard cases and the 11th hour pretence by the No side that there are solutions was cynical lies that were seen through.

Regarding the celebration - I didn't see anything excessive. Some people have been battling for this result for over 40 years suffering insults and sometimes worse. Even myself who was only involved in the campaign for the last few weeks got abuse and witnessed some awful carry on. Overall though it was a brilliant experience working with people who are driven and determined and willing to go that extra mile. I think they're well entitled to celebrate the result when they've invested so much in getting this result. These people are fully aware of the graveness of the issue and would wish no one ever had to have an abortion. They're not celebrating abortion, they're celebrating rights.

A few decent posts on here since the result and fair play to those posters but some pretty depressing stuff too.

Rossfan

Vote is over, the people have decided.
Move on.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

sid waddell

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/05/26/no-side-to-tirelessly-campaign-for-vulnerable-children-from-now-on/

AFTER unsuccessfully campaigning against the repeal of the 8th amendment leading No Side figures have announced a drastic change in direction and focus, stating they will from now on actually campaign for help and support for the vulnerable children Ireland has living in the country.

Extending that focus to increasing supports to pregnant women, women, rape victims, women who have suffered miscarriages, single parents and poor parents, these No Side campaigners have confirmed a significant change in where their energies will be focused going forward.

"We previously campaigned against divorce, equal marriage, and even tried to challenge giving welfare payments to single mothers while never ever actively trying to help or raise awareness for children in foster homes or awaiting adoption, in fact we campaigned against the Childrens Rights Referendum. God, we were a right bunch of cu.nts altogether," explained one campaigner.

Those familiar No Side faces that graced TVs, radios and print publications when campaigning against divorce, equal marriage and the repeal of the 8th amendment, will now appear on TV panels begging for more money and resources to be poured into helping vulnerable children, going as far as to campaign tirelessly for homeless children, refugee children trying to assimilate into Ireland, as well as relentlessly highlighting the plight of children in Direct Provision Centres.

"Now, we might have grumbled and fought against the Church having to pay child victims of sexual abuse but honestly we're really going to get into this whole helping vulnerable children thing from now on," added a campaigner, who after bringing up Down Syndrome every chance he got during the campaign, will now presumably carry out extensive and tireless work for DS children, demanding better educational supports and funding.

"I know we insinuated mental health wasn't real but we'll now throw our full support behind organisations that advocate for better child mental health services. And yes, we sort of suggested we'd force rape victims to remain pregnant against their will but we'll fully support the work of the Rape Crisis Network of Ireland. Look, we're surprised as anyone," concluded the campaigner, who forgot to mention once again what a cu.nt he has been for the last several decades.

Caring about children once they are born is a massive direction change for Catholic conservative campaigners however, such a startling development is sure to be welcomed by everyone.

BennyCake

Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2018, 12:58:28 PM
Vote is over, the people have decided.
Move on.

History tells us they will have another go.

Then again, they've already got their "right" answer.

Syferus

Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2018, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2018, 12:58:28 PM
Vote is over, the people have decided.
Move on.

History tells us they will have another go.

Then again, they've already got their "right" answer.

No quotation marks needed. You only need to look at the demographics of this vote to see how impossible the No side's position is. It's only going to get worse as those over 65s who voted No die off.

There no going back in our lifetimes so that's yet another misguided post by you.

BennyCake

Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2018, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2018, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2018, 12:58:28 PM
Vote is over, the people have decided.
Move on.

History tells us they will have another go.

Then again, they've already got their "right" answer.

No quotation marks needed. You only need to look at the demographics of this vote to see how impossible the No side's position is. It's only going to get worse as those over 65s who voted No die off.

There no going back in our lifetimes so that's yet another misguided post by you.

All 723,000+ of them?!  ::)

gallsman

Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2018, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2018, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2018, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2018, 12:58:28 PM
Vote is over, the people have decided.
Move on.

History tells us they will have another go.

Then again, they've already got their "right" answer.

No quotation marks needed. You only need to look at the demographics of this vote to see how impossible the No side's position is. It's only going to get worse as those over 65s who voted No die off.

There no going back in our lifetimes so that's yet another misguided post by you.

All 723,000+ of them?!  ::)

Grow old and die is generally the way things go, yes.

seafoid

According to RTE most people made their mind up after Savita H died.
No didn't lose on Friday. The war was lost 5 years ago.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

whitey

Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2018, 05:18:29 PM
According to RTE most people made their mind up after Savita H died.
No didn't lose on Friday. The war was lost 5 years ago.

Regardless of the No campaigns assertion that Savita died from Sepsis, she would never have gotten sepsis if she had gotten the proper care to begin with

The head midwife flat out told her, they couldn't end the pregnancy because Ireland was a Catholic country and abortion wasn't allowed.

Syferus

Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2018, 05:18:29 PM
According to RTE most people made their mind up after Savita H died.
No didn't lose on Friday. The war was lost 5 years ago.

Their poll literally said the opposite of what you just wrote. They had their minds made up before the Savita case even happened. Lay off whatever is it that you're on.

Orchard park

Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2018, 08:50:00 AM
Given the opportunity,  I most likely would have voted yes on balance but with a very heavy heart and with a lot of personal soul searching about the morality of it all. But I am hugely disappointed about the outpouring of glee, joy and in some cases smugness about the result. Yes, this is a welcome step forward for the rights of women but it has very serious consequences. The abortion of an unborn baby, regardless of the arguments around the legitimacy of when it becomes life, is a very grave thing and not something to be dancing in the streets about. So hopefully the country can move forward from this with a bit of class from both sides.

It's the right to chose not the right to abort that has been celebrated......

The Irish people finally faced up to facts and devided it was  shit poor legislation which encouraged exporting the abortion issue to the UK....... allowing and encouraging something  are very different states of play

seafoid

Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2018, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2018, 05:18:29 PM
According to RTE most people made their mind up after Savita H died.
No didn't lose on Friday. The war was lost 5 years ago.

Their poll literally said the opposite of what you just wrote. They had their minds made up before the Savita case even happened. Lay off whatever is it that you're on.

Give it up, Syf. The board is littered with your nonsense. It''s wall to wall ràiméis. If Galway beat Ros in the CF you'll disappear again for 2 months.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU