Apple's data centre in Athenry

[armaghniac]

Building a stateof the art facility?  Plenty of state of the art facilities lying vacant in Kildare,  County Galwat and Dublin.  We need another white elephant.

Examples? Why are they empty?

[Denn Forever]

Kildare HP

Co. Dublin Gateway, Swords - Motorolo, Madge

What could they be used for?  Indoor karting?

[armaghniac]

Kildare HP

Co. Dublin Gateway, Swords - Motorolo, Madge

What could they be used for?  Indoor karting?

I don't see how Gateway can be state of the art since it closed 15 years ago.
The others may not be suitable for data centres.

[seafoid]

15 Per cent tax is a scam. Apple don't even pay it. Apple use Ireland for tax washing. I have a camera battery charger by Hähnel. Produced by Hähnel Ireland. How many employees?
None of the mncs chipped in when FF ran the country into the ground.

[magpie seanie]

15 Per cent tax is a scam. Apple don't even pay it. Apple use Ireland for tax washing. I have a camera battery charger by Hähnel. Produced by Hähnel Ireland. How many employees?
None of the mncs chipped in when FF ran the country into the ground.

Seafoid - you are of course correct but lets face it - this is the economic model we have chosen and have done nothing to evolve or move on from it. If/when it ceases to work for us we are screwed but when you're a prostitute you can't really complain about the sex part.

[seafoid]

15 Per cent tax is a scam. Apple don't even pay it. Apple use Ireland for tax washing. I have a camera battery charger by Hähnel. Produced by Hähnel Ireland. How many employees?
None of the mncs chipped in when FF ran the country into the ground.

Seafoid - you are of course correct but lets face it - this is the economic model we have chosen and have done nothing to evolve or move on from it. If/when it ceases to work for us we are screwed but when you're a prostitute you can't really complain about the sex part.

We are screwed anyway Seanie. Pensions will be wiped out unless the system is changed. If Davitt could do it over a century ago it can be done again.

[Syferus]

We're doing just fine.

[Eamonnca1]

Apple have 30% or so of the US smartphone market while Android has 65% - there is no monopoly, but obviously you didn't check your facts on this one.

Depending on your jurisdiction a monopoly is usually regarded as anyone with over 25% of market share. It's not illegal to have a monopoly, but it is illegal to abuse it.

[seafoid]

Apple have 30% or so of the US smartphone market while Android has 65% - there is no monopoly, but obviously you didn't check your facts on this one.

Depending on your jurisdiction a monopoly is usually regarded as anyone with over 25% of market share. It's not illegal to have a monopoly, but it is illegal to abuse it.

Apple makes something like 80 per cent of profits in the mobile market. That is Monopoly power.

[thebigfella]

Apple have 30% or so of the US smartphone market while Android has 65% - there is no monopoly, but obviously you didn't check your facts on this one.

Depending on your jurisdiction a monopoly is usually regarded as anyone with over 25% of market share. It's not illegal to have a monopoly, but it is illegal to abuse it.

Apple makes something like 80 per cent of profits in the mobile market. That is Monopoly power.

Apple make high end consumer mobile products. Consumers choose to purchase them, there is plenty of competing companies in the space offering same products and at lower prices. I don't think you understand the definition of a monopoly if you are using the above as an example.

[Owen Brannigan]

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-data-centers-fail-to-bring-new-jobs-to-small-towns/

[Syferus]

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-data-centers-fail-to-bring-new-jobs-to-small-towns/

I don't think people understand that even 50 jobs is massive to a town the size of Athenry. And a bunch of them are quite well paid jobs at that.

[seafoid]

We're doing just fine.

Roscommon football is a victim of the economic model. Roscommon never benefits from plutocracy because it doesn't have any ski resorts and it is largely rural.


https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/06/bernie-sanders-paradise-papers-leak-international-oligarchy

The major issue of our time is the rapid movement toward international oligarchy in which a handful of billionaires own and control a significant part of the global economy. The Paradise Papers shows how these billionaires and multinational corporations get richer by hiding their wealth and profits and avoid paying their fair share of taxes," the US senator from Vermont said.

Sanders, who came in a close second to Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination last year, pointed the finger of blame for the flourishing of offshore holdings on both Congress and the Trump administration. He told the Guardian that Republicans in Congress were responsible for providing "even more tax breaks to profitable corporations like Apple and Nike"."

[seafoid]

   https://www.ft.com/content/3327c766-c325-11e7-b2bb-322b2cb39656

   Apple advisers at US law firm Baker Mackenzie approached Appleby, the offshore law firm at the heart of the Paradise Papers leak, in 2014 about available tax structures in the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey, according to the ICIJ.

One of the emails from Baker Mackenzie to Appleby, released by the ICIJ, stated: "Confirm that an Irish company can conduct management activities . . . without being subject to taxation in your jurisdiction."

The ICIJ said Apple eventually "settled on Jersey . . . [which was to] play a significant role in Apple's newly configured Irish tax structure set up in late 2014".

"Under this arrangement, the MacBook-maker has continued to enjoy ultra-low tax rates on most of its profits and now holds much of its non-US earnings in a $252bn mountain of cash offshore," it added.




A subsidiary, Apple Operations Europe, became resident in Ireland, the ICIJ reported.

Tax experts said it was likely that Apple was taking advantage of the increased generosity of Ireland's tax deductions for intellectual property such as patents and trademarks. They cited as evidence the sudden appearance of close to $270bn of intangible assets in Ireland's national accounts.


A law professor told the ICIJ that any income that Apple now generated in Ireland "could be partially offset by more than $13bn in tax deductions each year for 15 years".

[magpie seanie]

15 Per cent tax is a scam. Apple don't even pay it. Apple use Ireland for tax washing. I have a camera battery charger by Hähnel. Produced by Hähnel Ireland. How many employees?
None of the mncs chipped in when FF ran the country into the ground.

Seafoid - you are of course correct but lets face it - this is the economic model we have chosen and have done nothing to evolve or move on from it. If/when it ceases to work for us we are screwed but when you're a prostitute you can't really complain about the sex part.

We are screwed anyway Seanie. Pensions will be wiped out unless the system is changed. If Davitt could do it over a century ago it can be done again.

I think if we are courageous, proactive and have a vision for the future we can wean ourselves off the American tit (pun intended) and migrate to a more sustainable, less volatile economic model. It will take time though and I'm not sure how much of that we have. I also realise that courage, proactivity and vision are in short supply though but I'm an optimist at heart.