GAA Response to Coronavirus

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five points

Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 01:27:20 PM
What is peoples rush with getting GAA grounds open so soon?


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Colm O'Rourke nailed this in his Sindo column yesterday. GAA members and players are walking and running the roads because the walking tracks at pitches are closed. Every day this gets more dangerous as traffic increases. Nobody is monitoring that. Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?

trueblue1234

Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2020, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.

Where is this stated?

I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit


dublin7

The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

mackers

Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Here's the thing.  Mummy will go for a socially distanced walk round the track with her mates.  She'll take her four children with a ball who will kick it about the field (so will her mates).  Before long the field will be full of young kids and the secretary/chairman will have to come and clear the field and mummy will call the secretary/chairman all the names of the day for doing so.  Inevitable rows will happen.

There should be no half way house here. The walkways open when the grounds open.
Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn.

five points

Quote from: mackers on May 18, 2020, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Here's the thing.  Mummy will go for a socially distanced walk round the track with her mates.  She'll take her four children with a ball who will kick it about the field (so will her mates).  Before long the field will be full of young kids and the secretary/chairman will have to come and clear the field and mummy will call the secretary/chairman all the names of the day for doing so.  Inevitable rows will happen.

There should be no half way house here. The walkways open when the grounds open.

So make them run and walk on the roads, until someone gets killed?

oakleafgael

Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

That's incorrect, look at the date it was posted. It was made clear to all Clubs that the only people who should be on Club property at the minute are those carrying out maintenance works.

Cluborcountywhynotboth

Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

five points

Quote from: oakleafgael on May 18, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

That's incorrect, look at the date it was posted. It was made clear to all Clubs that the only people who should be on Club property at the minute are those carrying out maintenance works.

You are right, sadly. https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/latest-gaa-update-on-covid-19/

"Please be advised that, in line with recent government announcements, these measures and closures are now extended to Sunday April 19 inclusive, at which stage arrangements will be reviewed.

In addition, we are now instructing GAA Clubs to close their facilities completely.

This is to include the use of all pitches and property for recreational purposes, including walking, casual games or gatherings."

dublin7

Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

joemamas

Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

Q,

Why doesn't the minister for sport or the Government come out and provide general indemnification to all sporting grounds, i.e.,
you cannot sue a GAA club or others, because you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

If we ever have sporting events in Ireland where the public are allowed to attend, it will have to be provided in any event.

Cluborcountywhynotboth

Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don't, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the 'light up Ireland' initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it's not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it's yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

Taylor

Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don't, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the 'light up Ireland' initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it's not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it's yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

The GAA cannot open their grounds - that is the directive and it wont change until it is medically safe to do so.

Everyone would love to be able to exercise safely....the same as everyone would like to play ball again - but it aint going to happen unfortunately.

This is a once in a generation pandemic - the most important thing is everyone you know comes out alive at the other end, please God.

Everything else can wait

Cluborcountywhynotboth

Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don't, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the 'light up Ireland' initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it's not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it's yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

The GAA cannot open their grounds - that is the directive and it wont change until it is medically safe to do so.

Everyone would love to be able to exercise safely....the same as everyone would like to play ball again - but it aint going to happen unfortunately.

This is a once in a generation pandemic - the most important thing is everyone you know comes out alive at the other end, please God.

Everything else can wait

When did i ever say it should be opened before it is safe to do so???? I I have included in almost every post I have put on this thread that it should be following the advice of the experts and when it is safe.

Taylor

Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it