Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[Angelo]

He didn't acknowledge that road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid.

Can we all agree that statistically speaking road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid?

How can you agree that? They are false equivalences, road accidents (and resulting deaths) are not contagious.

Angelo's argument is that we get around a certain number of road deaths per year, therefore we should allow drink driving, no seat belts, and have all cars without brakes

Angelo's logic holds that if we did that, road deaths would not increase

Angelo's logic is if somebody wants to drink drive home without a seat belt in a car with no brakes, that's fine, because that individual "is making the best decision for themselves, the individual"

Never mind that might crash into another car and kill a load of people, all that matter's is that individual's "personal utility"

This is what far right far right libertarian "logic" holds

And the anti-lockdown, anti-vaxx ideology is far right libertarian

It's the ideology of a psychopath

And people should not be politically correct and extend any undue respect to this psychopathy

We should say what it is - psychopathy

I've never said anything like that.

All I have done is point out that we accept half measures on something that kills far more young people every single year than Covid.

While we have draconian measures on a virus that is little threat to the u40 demograph.

We are soft on road deaths if anything. Society accepts road deaths but does not accept Covid deaths.

Once again I am using statistics and facts to put forward a very reasoned and informed argument while you are howling at the moon - psychopath, anti-vaxxers bla, bla, bla - the rantings of an unhinged maniac.

[tonto1888]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Not any sort of threat to anyone under 40? A friend of mine who is 38 has just come out of hospital after spending a week there. But aye, he was under no threat at all. Ejit.

I go on facts rather than anecdotal stories.

We have had 3 deaths in the u40 categories with close to 50k positive cases - that's a fact. 3 deaths in 9 months of the virus in the u40 category - how many deaths have we had from road traffic accidents in the same category in the same time? 56 people dead in 2020 in the O6 from road deaths, I can guarantee you there were more than 3 in the u40 category. Yet we accept road deaths as part of life.

Anecdotal story? Let me tell you this you condescending little p***k, that lad was on a ventilator for 4 days. His family thought he was on his way out. But yeah, keep spreading shite that covid is no risk to people under 40. Dickhead.

I'm talking about facts here, one of us being rational and you're being a hard man with bad manners, pathetic really.

Statistically Covid is no risk to under 40s, absolutle fact.

You're full of shit. If it was no risk to U40s why would an under 40 have spent near a week on a ventilator.
Hard man? Bad manners? Have a read through your own posts you idiot. And you being rational? Are you actually serious?

[Angelo]

I'm talking about facts here, one of us being rational and you're being a hard man with bad manners, pathetic really.

Statistically Covid is no risk to under 40s, absolutle fact.
[/quote]

That's an astounding fact, if only I'd known. I'm off now to resume my life, to hell with everyone else!
[/quote]

3 deaths under the age of 40 since the pandemic started.

RTAs could claim that in a weekend.

[tonto1888]

He didn't acknowledge that road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid.

Can we all agree that statistically speaking road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid?

How can you agree that? They are false equivalences, road accidents (and resulting deaths) are not contagious.

Angelo's argument is that we get around a certain number of road deaths per year, therefore we should allow drink driving, no seat belts, and have all cars without brakes

Angelo's logic holds that if we did that, road deaths would not increase

Angelo's logic is if somebody wants to drink drive home without a seat belt in a car with no brakes, that's fine, because that individual "is making the best decision for themselves, the individual"

Never mind that might crash into another car and kill a load of people, all that matter's is that individual's "personal utility"

This is what far right far right libertarian "logic" holds

And the anti-lockdown, anti-vaxx ideology is far right libertarian

It's the ideology of a psychopath

And people should not be politically correct and extend any undue respect to this psychopathy

We should say what it is - psychopathy

I've never said anything like that.

All I have done is point out that we accept half measures on something that kills far more young people every single year than Covid.

While we have draconian measures on a virus that is little threat to the u40 demograph.

We are soft on road deaths if anything. Society accepts road deaths but does not accept Covid deaths.

Once again I am using statistics and facts to put forward a very reasoned and informed argument while you are howling at the moon - psychopath, anti-vaxxers bla, bla, bla - the rantings of an unhinged maniac.

Could you make up your mind. Is it no threat to U40s or is it little threat? Hard enough to take you serious at the best of times nevermind when you can't even agree with yourself

[thebigfella]

He didn't acknowledge that road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid.

Can we all agree that statistically speaking road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid?

How can you agree that? They are false equivalences, road accidents (and resulting deaths) are not contagious.

Angelo's argument is that we get around a certain number of road deaths per year, therefore we should allow drink driving, no seat belts, and have all cars without brakes

Angelo's logic holds that if we did that, road deaths would not increase

Angelo's logic is if somebody wants to drink drive home without a seat belt in a car with no brakes, that's fine, because that individual "is making the best decision for themselves, the individual"

Never mind that might crash into another car and kill a load of people, all that matter's is that individual's "personal utility"

This is what far right far right libertarian "logic" holds

And the anti-lockdown, anti-vaxx ideology is far right libertarian

It's the ideology of a psychopath

And people should not be politically correct and extend any undue respect to this psychopathy

We should say what it is - psychopathy

f**k the rest, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics, probablity and data analysis.

[blasmere]

I'm talking about facts here, one of us being rational and you're being a hard man with bad manners, pathetic really.

Statistically Covid is no risk to under 40s, absolutle fact.

That's an astounding fact, if only I'd known. I'm off now to resume my life, to hell with everyone else!
[/quote]

3 deaths under the age of 40 since the pandemic started.

RTAs could claim that in a weekend.
[/quote]

That's an absolute lie that line you spouted there, whatever about RTA's, pros and cons of lockdowns, etc,.. You debate in facts you say, that statement is not a fact at all.

[Angelo]

He didn't acknowledge that road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid.

Can we all agree that statistically speaking road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid?

How can you agree that? They are false equivalences, road accidents (and resulting deaths) are not contagious.

Angelo's argument is that we get around a certain number of road deaths per year, therefore we should allow drink driving, no seat belts, and have all cars without brakes

Angelo's logic holds that if we did that, road deaths would not increase

Angelo's logic is if somebody wants to drink drive home without a seat belt in a car with no brakes, that's fine, because that individual "is making the best decision for themselves, the individual"

Never mind that might crash into another car and kill a load of people, all that matter's is that individual's "personal utility"

This is what far right far right libertarian "logic" holds

And the anti-lockdown, anti-vaxx ideology is far right libertarian

It's the ideology of a psychopath

And people should not be politically correct and extend any undue respect to this psychopathy

We should say what it is - psychopathy

I've never said anything like that.

All I have done is point out that we accept half measures on something that kills far more young people every single year than Covid.

While we have draconian measures on a virus that is little threat to the u40 demograph.

We are soft on road deaths if anything. Society accepts road deaths but does not accept Covid deaths.

Once again I am using statistics and facts to put forward a very reasoned and informed argument while you are howling at the moon - psychopath, anti-vaxxers bla, bla, bla - the rantings of an unhinged maniac.

Could you make up your mind. Is it no threat to U40s or is it little threat? Hard enough to take you serious at the best of times nevermind when you can't even agree with yourself

The statistics say we have had 3 deaths in 40-50k cases. Minimal threat.

[sid waddell]

He didn't acknowledge that road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid.

Can we all agree that statistically speaking road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid?

How can you agree that? They are false equivalences, road accidents (and resulting deaths) are not contagious.

Angelo's argument is that we get around a certain number of road deaths per year, therefore we should allow drink driving, no seat belts, and have all cars without brakes

Angelo's logic holds that if we did that, road deaths would not increase

Angelo's logic is if somebody wants to drink drive home without a seat belt in a car with no brakes, that's fine, because that individual "is making the best decision for themselves, the individual"

Never mind that might crash into another car and kill a load of people, all that matter's is that individual's "personal utility"

This is what far right far right libertarian "logic" holds

And the anti-lockdown, anti-vaxx ideology is far right libertarian

It's the ideology of a psychopath

And people should not be politically correct and extend any undue respect to this psychopathy

We should say what it is - psychopathy

I've never said anything like that.

All I have done is point out that we accept half measures on something that kills far more young people every single year than Covid.

While we have draconian measures on a virus that is little threat to the u40 demograph.

We are soft on road deaths if anything. Society accepts road deaths but does not accept Covid deaths.

Once again I am using statistics and facts to put forward a very reasoned and informed argument while you are howling at the moon - psychopath, anti-vaxxers bla, bla, bla - the rantings of an unhinged maniac.

The people who think they give "reasoned arguments" for insanity are the most dangerous of all

You are a case in point

[Angelo]

I'm talking about facts here, one of us being rational and you're being a hard man with bad manners, pathetic really.

Statistically Covid is no risk to under 40s, absolutle fact.

That's an astounding fact, if only I'd known. I'm off now to resume my life, to hell with everyone else!

3 deaths under the age of 40 since the pandemic started.

RTAs could claim that in a weekend.
[/quote]

That's an absolute lie that line you spouted there, whatever about RTA's, pros and cons of lockdowns, etc,.. You debate in facts you say, that statement is not a fact at all.
[/quote]

3 deaths in 40-50k cases.

Are sports a risk to u40s?

[blasmere]

I'm talking about facts here, one of us being rational and you're being a hard man with bad manners, pathetic really.

Statistically Covid is no risk to under 40s, absolutle fact.

That's an astounding fact, if only I'd known. I'm off now to resume my life, to hell with everyone else!

3 deaths under the age of 40 since the pandemic started.

RTAs could claim that in a weekend.

That's an absolute lie that line you spouted there, whatever about RTA's, pros and cons of lockdowns, etc,.. You debate in facts you say, that statement is not a fact at all.
[/quote]

3 deaths in 40-50k cases.

Are sports a risk to u40s?
[/quote]

That's not no risk is it.

[Angelo]

He didn't acknowledge that road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid.

Can we all agree that statistically speaking road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid?

How can you agree that? They are false equivalences, road accidents (and resulting deaths) are not contagious.

Angelo's argument is that we get around a certain number of road deaths per year, therefore we should allow drink driving, no seat belts, and have all cars without brakes

Angelo's logic holds that if we did that, road deaths would not increase

Angelo's logic is if somebody wants to drink drive home without a seat belt in a car with no brakes, that's fine, because that individual "is making the best decision for themselves, the individual"

Never mind that might crash into another car and kill a load of people, all that matter's is that individual's "personal utility"

This is what far right far right libertarian "logic" holds

And the anti-lockdown, anti-vaxx ideology is far right libertarian

It's the ideology of a psychopath

And people should not be politically correct and extend any undue respect to this psychopathy

We should say what it is - psychopathy

I've never said anything like that.

All I have done is point out that we accept half measures on something that kills far more young people every single year than Covid.

While we have draconian measures on a virus that is little threat to the u40 demograph.

We are soft on road deaths if anything. Society accepts road deaths but does not accept Covid deaths.

Once again I am using statistics and facts to put forward a very reasoned and informed argument while you are howling at the moon - psychopath, anti-vaxxers bla, bla, bla - the rantings of an unhinged maniac.

The people who think they give "reasoned arguments" for insanity are the most dangerous of all

You are a case in point

Just baseless sneering from you Sid.

You've been given the floor to dispute what I said and you've morphed into full on projection mode.

[sid waddell]

He didn't acknowledge that road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid.

Can we all agree that statistically speaking road deaths are more likely to kill u40s than Covid?

How can you agree that? They are false equivalences, road accidents (and resulting deaths) are not contagious.

Angelo's argument is that we get around a certain number of road deaths per year, therefore we should allow drink driving, no seat belts, and have all cars without brakes

Angelo's logic holds that if we did that, road deaths would not increase

Angelo's logic is if somebody wants to drink drive home without a seat belt in a car with no brakes, that's fine, because that individual "is making the best decision for themselves, the individual"

Never mind that might crash into another car and kill a load of people, all that matter's is that individual's "personal utility"

This is what far right far right libertarian "logic" holds

And the anti-lockdown, anti-vaxx ideology is far right libertarian

It's the ideology of a psychopath

And people should not be politically correct and extend any undue respect to this psychopathy

We should say what it is - psychopathy

I've never said anything like that.

All I have done is point out that we accept half measures on something that kills far more young people every single year than Covid.

While we have draconian measures on a virus that is little threat to the u40 demograph.

We are soft on road deaths if anything. Society accepts road deaths but does not accept Covid deaths.

Once again I am using statistics and facts to put forward a very reasoned and informed argument while you are howling at the moon - psychopath, anti-vaxxers bla, bla, bla - the rantings of an unhinged maniac.

The people who think they give "reasoned arguments" for insanity are the most dangerous of all

You are a case in point

Just baseless sneering from you Sid.

You've been given the floor to dispute what I said and you've morphed into full on projection mode.

""Sneering" at a psychopath" 

"Oooh, you're mean, why can't I be a psychopath in peace? Why do people have to keep reminding me what I am? Why won't they stop SNEERING at my psychopathy?"

"They sneered, so I'm a victim!"

Em, yeah, whatever

[Franko]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Not any sort of threat to anyone under 40? A friend of mine who is 38 has just come out of hospital after spending a week there. But aye, he was under no threat at all. Ejit.

I go on facts rather than anecdotal stories.

We have had 3 deaths in the u40 categories with close to 50k positive cases - that's a fact. 3 deaths in 9 months of the virus in the u40 category - how many deaths have we had from road traffic accidents in the same category in the same time? 56 people dead in 2020 in the O6 from road deaths, I can guarantee you there were more than 3 in the u40 category. Yet we accept road deaths as part of life.

We try to minimise them as much as possible though. Checks on cars via mot, drink driving laws, speed limits, age limits speedbelts etc. All those impact on our freedom to do what we want but our accepted as they help to save lives.

So we take half measures on road deaths but we go draconian on Covid.

If you're under 40 you're far more likely to die from a car crash than Covid. That is statistically proven in the O6.

I don't have figures but I'd say suicide impacted the u40 population more than Covid deaths in O6 too this year. Are we doing enough on suicide? Why does Covid trump all these other factors of death and quality of life in society?

So I refer to the earlier points, road accidents are not contagious.

Road accidents kill under 40s in multiples of what Covid has every year, that is statistically proven. We've had more u40s wiped out in one weekend this year in road accidents than we have had u40s killed in 9 months from Covid? So if road accidents are not contagious but yet kill around 10x that of u40s every year than Covid does, then why does contagion matter?

What you seem to be telling us is that road deaths don't matter, Covid deaths do.

65 year olds can't catch a fatal car crash from you

Yet u40s are more likely to die in a car crash than catching Covid from you.

So road deaths don't matter? Got ya.

Pig -  Grunt

[Angelo]

I'm talking about facts here, one of us being rational and you're being a hard man with bad manners, pathetic really.

Statistically Covid is no risk to under 40s, absolutle fact.

That's an astounding fact, if only I'd known. I'm off now to resume my life, to hell with everyone else!

3 deaths under the age of 40 since the pandemic started.

RTAs could claim that in a weekend.

That's an absolute lie that line you spouted there, whatever about RTA's, pros and cons of lockdowns, etc,.. You debate in facts you say, that statement is not a fact at all.

3 deaths in 40-50k cases.

Are sports a risk to u40s?
[/quote]

That's not no risk is it.
[/quote]

For me, yes.

Do you consider crossing a road everday a risk? Sitting behind the wheel of a car a risk? Going for a run or a cycle?

If you don't then I fail to see how you could see Covid as a risk for u40s?

[Angelo]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Not any sort of threat to anyone under 40? A friend of mine who is 38 has just come out of hospital after spending a week there. But aye, he was under no threat at all. Ejit.

I go on facts rather than anecdotal stories.

We have had 3 deaths in the u40 categories with close to 50k positive cases - that's a fact. 3 deaths in 9 months of the virus in the u40 category - how many deaths have we had from road traffic accidents in the same category in the same time? 56 people dead in 2020 in the O6 from road deaths, I can guarantee you there were more than 3 in the u40 category. Yet we accept road deaths as part of life.

We try to minimise them as much as possible though. Checks on cars via mot, drink driving laws, speed limits, age limits speedbelts etc. All those impact on our freedom to do what we want but our accepted as they help to save lives.

So we take half measures on road deaths but we go draconian on Covid.

If you're under 40 you're far more likely to die from a car crash than Covid. That is statistically proven in the O6.

I don't have figures but I'd say suicide impacted the u40 population more than Covid deaths in O6 too this year. Are we doing enough on suicide? Why does Covid trump all these other factors of death and quality of life in society?

So I refer to the earlier points, road accidents are not contagious.

Road accidents kill under 40s in multiples of what Covid has every year, that is statistically proven. We've had more u40s wiped out in one weekend this year in road accidents than we have had u40s killed in 9 months from Covid? So if road accidents are not contagious but yet kill around 10x that of u40s every year than Covid does, then why does contagion matter?

What you seem to be telling us is that road deaths don't matter, Covid deaths do.

65 year olds can't catch a fatal car crash from you

Yet u40s are more likely to die in a car crash than catching Covid from you.

So road deaths don't matter? Got ya.

Pig -  Grunt

Good point, well argued.