Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[Angelo]

Economist Stephen Kinsella this morning said that there is no trade off between public health and economic health - that the two are complementary

Get your public health right and economic health flows from that

This has been obvious from day one

The people who suffer most from public health being fucked are the vulnerable - the poor, the working class, the elderly, the sick

The exact people that Angelo and Julia Hartley-Brewer and Toby Young and other crackpots he gets his opinions from are happy to throw under the bus

What Angelo says could come straight from the mouth of Julia Hartley-Brewer, who flew off to Antigua for a holiday at Christmas

She's alright, Jack

So you only pick economists and scientists who agree with you and disregard scientists and economists who don't agree with you. Sound logic there.

You had your arse handed to you a few minutes ago, more in your line if you addressed that.

[sid waddell]

Economist Stephen Kinsella this morning said that there is no trade off between public health and economic health - that the two are complementary

Get your public health right and economic health flows from that

This has been obvious from day one

The people who suffer most from public health being fucked are the vulnerable - the poor, the working class, the elderly, the sick

The exact people that Angelo and Julia Hartley-Brewer and Toby Young and other crackpots he gets his opinions from are happy to throw under the bus

What Angelo says could come straight from the mouth of Julia Hartley-Brewer, who flew off to Antigua for a holiday at Christmas

She's alright, Jack

So you only pick economists and scientists who agree with you and disregard scientists and economists who don't agree with you. Sound logic there.

You had your arse handed to you a few minutes ago, more in your line if you addressed that.

More Putinist propaganda, don't believe the truth, believe motivated "reasoning" from crackpots

My father will die in the next few days because views like yours were given undue credence

And there are thousands of others like him

Lives taken, lives ruined because right-wing, "I'm Alright Jack" bastards with zero regard for society were listened to

And it is hard not to feel a deep, burning anger at that

[Angelo]

Economist Stephen Kinsella this morning said that there is no trade off between public health and economic health - that the two are complementary

Get your public health right and economic health flows from that

This has been obvious from day one

The people who suffer most from public health being fucked are the vulnerable - the poor, the working class, the elderly, the sick

The exact people that Angelo and Julia Hartley-Brewer and Toby Young and other crackpots he gets his opinions from are happy to throw under the bus

What Angelo says could come straight from the mouth of Julia Hartley-Brewer, who flew off to Antigua for a holiday at Christmas

She's alright, Jack

So you only pick economists and scientists who agree with you and disregard scientists and economists who don't agree with you. Sound logic there.

You had your arse handed to you a few minutes ago, more in your line if you addressed that.

More Putinist propaganda, don't believe the truth, believe motivated "reasoning" from crackpots

My father will die in the next few days because views like yours were given undue credence

And there are thousands of others like him

Lives taken, lives ruined because right-wing, "I'm Alright Jack" bastards with zero regard for society were listened to

And it is hard not to feel a deep, burning anger at that

No I'm just pointing out how you only post up scientists and economists who agree with you. Conversely you completely disregard anything of their peers who disagree with them.

Go back 7 or 8 posts, I posted this, every bit of it is true.

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or healthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Rather than tackle that post, you went on some rant about conspiracy theories, Putin and "I'm alright Jack" type nonsense. Your single biggest issue in life Sid, is healthy debate and people challenging your dogmatic and dangerous rhetoric. For a man who pretends to be a socialist you don't do a very good job of it, you are as right wing as they come.

[sid waddell]

The views of the so called "libertarian" loonies were summed up in plain sight by "Lord" Jonathan Sumption on BBC1 this morning

He tells a stage 4 bowel cancer sufferer that "Your life is less valuable"

This is the ideology of Josef Mengele, the ideology of the Nazis' Aktion T4 holocaust - which is the same ideology as the "let it rip" ideology

Eton and Magdalen College Oxford-educated Sumption has been an influential "thinker" for decades in British right-wing circles, his "thinking" has been normalised because, due to right-wing political correctness, it was never called out for what it was - evil

Thus it is no surprise that he has an army of parrots to parrot his evil ideology

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1350762750327271424

[Angelo]

The views of the so called "libertarian" loonies were summed up in plain sight by "Lord" Jonathan Sumption on BBC1 this morning

He tells a stage 4 bowel cancer sufferer that "Your life is less valuable"

This is the ideology of Josef Mengele, the ideology of the Nazis' Aktion T4 holocaust - which is the same ideology as the "let it rip" ideology

Eton and Magdalen College Oxford-educated Sumption has been an influential "thinker" for decades in British right-wing circles, his "thinking" has been normalised because, due to right-wing political correctness, it was never called out for what it was - evil

Thus it is no surprise that he has an army of parrots to parrot his evil ideology

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1350762750327271424

Sid, you're still running away from the facts.

What's the upside of the vaccine for under 40s?

[thebigfella]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

The neighbour is 32 and in hospital. Both him and the girlfriend tested positive, not sure where she is, but they both been flouting the guidelines from March. Fond of the parties and gathering etc...

It's likely no threat to his mortality but it's a bed he's taking up in hospital from someone who may need it, and extra pressure not needed on the health service all because of the above attitude. Big picture completely missed again.

And if someone who is involved in a road traffic accident takes up a hospital bed?

Missing the big picture again.

Didn't realise those big pharma bastards also had a vaccine for road accidents as well

[Angelo]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

The neighbour is 32 and in hospital. Both him and the girlfriend tested positive, not sure where she is, but they both been flouting the guidelines from March. Fond of the parties and gathering etc...

It's likely no threat to his mortality but it's a bed he's taking up in hospital from someone who may need it, and extra pressure not needed on the health service all because of the above attitude. Big picture completely missed again.

And if someone who is involved in a road traffic accident takes up a hospital bed?

Missing the big picture again.

Didn't realise those big pharma bastards also had a vaccine for road accidents as well

Missing the big picture. If somebody is a road traffic accident they are there as a result of someone driving a vehicle.

That person in a hospital bed could deny someone with a serious illness they have developed from medical care.

So should we ban cars on roads to save the health service and lives? I'm merely applying your logic here.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

angleo are you advocating for an end to driving? if you are not, are you accepting road deaths? can you show where you batted an eyelid for these deaths previously?

[Angelo]

angleo are you advocating for an end to driving? if you are not, are you accepting road deaths? can you show where you batted an eyelid for these deaths previously?

No I'm just trying to hold the people with double standards to account.

By your standards you should be the one demanding this unless of course it's ok for people to die from road traffic accidents but not from Covid?

[tonto1888]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Not any sort of threat to anyone under 40? A friend of mine who is 38 has just come out of hospital after spending a week there. But aye, he was under no threat at all. Ejit.

[trueblue1234]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2021-01-18/norway-finds-no-direct-link-between-elderly-deaths-and-vaccine

Positive news. Has there been any reports from other countries of higher than expected deaths after vaccination? Given the global roll out you would have expected to see similar figures coming from other countries if there was an issue.

[Angelo]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Not any sort of threat to anyone under 40? A friend of mine who is 38 has just come out of hospital after spending a week there. But aye, he was under no threat at all. Ejit.

I go on facts rather than anecdotal stories.

We have had 3 deaths in the u40 categories with close to 50k positive cases - that's a fact. 3 deaths in 9 months of the virus in the u40 category - how many deaths have we had from road traffic accidents in the same category in the same time? 56 people dead in 2020 in the O6 from road deaths, I can guarantee you there were more than 3 in the u40 category. Yet we accept road deaths as part of life.

[Redhand Santa]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Not any sort of threat to anyone under 40? A friend of mine who is 38 has just come out of hospital after spending a week there. But aye, he was under no threat at all. Ejit.

I go on facts rather than anecdotal stories.

We have had 3 deaths in the u40 categories with close to 50k positive cases - that's a fact. 3 deaths in 9 months of the virus in the u40 category - how many deaths have we had from road traffic accidents in the same category in the same time? 56 people dead in 2020 in the O6 from road deaths, I can guarantee you there were more than 3 in the u40 category. Yet we accept road deaths as part of life.

We try to minimise them as much as possible though. Checks on cars via mot, drink driving laws, speed limits, age limits speedbelts etc. All those impact on our freedom to do what we want but our accepted as they help to save lives.

[Angelo]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Not any sort of threat to anyone under 40? A friend of mine who is 38 has just come out of hospital after spending a week there. But aye, he was under no threat at all. Ejit.

I go on facts rather than anecdotal stories.

We have had 3 deaths in the u40 categories with close to 50k positive cases - that's a fact. 3 deaths in 9 months of the virus in the u40 category - how many deaths have we had from road traffic accidents in the same category in the same time? 56 people dead in 2020 in the O6 from road deaths, I can guarantee you there were more than 3 in the u40 category. Yet we accept road deaths as part of life.

We try to minimise them as much as possible though. Checks on cars via mot, drink driving laws, speed limits, age limits speedbelts etc. All those impact on our freedom to do what we want but our accepted as they help to save lives.

So we take half measures on road deaths but we go draconian on Covid.

If you're under 40 you're far more likely to die from a car crash than Covid. That is statistically proven in the O6.

I don't have figures but I'd say suicide impacted the u40 population more than Covid deaths in O6 too this year. Are we doing enough on suicide? Why does Covid trump all these other factors of death and quality of life in society?

[thebigfella]

What is the reason for someone under 40 in good health to get the vaccine? There is absolutely no upside to it as far as I can see.

Basic regard for one's own health

Basic regard for the health of their loved ones

Basic regard for the idea of society, and for humanity itself

A vaccine that has not been proven to either stop anyone contracting or transmitting the virus.

A virus which is not any sort of threat to anyone fit or unhealthy under the age of 40.

What's the upside? What you posted seem to be rather flimsy and ideological rather than based in reality and facts.

Big pharma will get very rich so maybe for their shareholders, that is an upside.

Not any sort of threat to anyone under 40? A friend of mine who is 38 has just come out of hospital after spending a week there. But aye, he was under no threat at all. Ejit.

I go on facts rather than anecdotal stories.

We have had 3 deaths in the u40 categories with close to 50k positive cases - that's a fact. 3 deaths in 9 months of the virus in the u40 category - how many deaths have we had from road traffic accidents in the same category in the same time? 56 people dead in 2020 in the O6 from road deaths, I can guarantee you there were more than 3 in the u40 category. Yet we accept road deaths as part of life.

We try to minimise them as much as possible though. Checks on cars via mot, drink driving laws, speed limits, age limits speedbelts etc. All those impact on our freedom to do what we want but our accepted as they help to save lives.

So we take half measures on road deaths but we go draconian on Covid.

If you're under 40 you're far more likely to die from a car crash than Covid. That is statistically proven in the O6.

I don't have figures but I'd say suicide impacted the u40 population more than Covid deaths in O6 too this year. Are we doing enough on suicide? Why does Covid trump all these other factors of death and quality of life in society?

So I refer to the earlier points, road accidents are not contagious.