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[the booster is a half dose]

Apparently 40+ can now get it in the likes of boots. (Administered and free).

Royal and Ulster hospital doing walk ins for 40-49 yr olds. Got mine at the Royal this morning.

What flavour did you get? The missus doesn't want Moderna for some reason  , which is what the pharmacies are dishing out.

The original Moderna was actually slightly better, the booster is a half dose, as far a I know.

Yet according to Luke O'Neill , it will last 2-3 years 

Ole shouldn't have been in this position in the first place. He was never the man for the job. I remember Rio Ferdinand shouting for Ole to get the job after the PSG game. And he got the job full time not long after that, but results did sort of fade after that. The board were too quick to appoint him on the back of a few good results, but it was obvious that was from the new manager bounce.

The longer it goes on, the worse it will get for Ole. I actually feel for him because he's a decent fella but he's just not up to it.

3-1

I think that could be it for Ole.

[I don't agree with the current witch hunt of the non-vaccinated through government policies or the media. Its counterproductive.]

Very simple for me, my job is in contact with vulnerable people, if I caught Covid and passed it on and someone ended up infected by me not getting vaccinated then I'd be in the wrong and feel pretty shut about it to, my sister is just out of cancer treatment another good reason for me.

The facts have been shown that being vaccinated, regardless of the amount it was promised to protect us, will reduced the viral load.

People do what they want, you can wear ear plugs if you work in a noisy environment or not, rest assured you'll regret it later.

I've followed the guidelines as has my immediate family, to date we haven't got it, we've been working and socialising without annoyance either.

As for measures to encourage people, do what you feel is right for you. I'll follow my path, I haven't got a degree in virology or biochemistry, so on that front I'll listen to the experts.

All very reasonable and i hope all your folks and particularly your sister keep well. Actually in many ways your circumstances  are very similar to my own and the reasons i opted for the vaccine.
    Unfortunately this topic has become very polarising and poisonous (you just have to read through this thread!)
    It seems to me, anybody that questions vaccine effectivemess, lockdown restrictions or other government policies are labelled loons and subject to ridicule(some definitely deserve it btw).
      The lancet published an article on the use of first generation covid 19 vaccines (this was pre-release of these vaccines) and indicated their potential limitations. I think this is a more realistic marker or level than that given by the Pharma manufacturers pre their release.
        They are definitley a useful tool in the fight against this virus but given the nature of Coronaviruses they are not the panacea promised (at least not this generation).
        I don't agree with the current witch hunt of the non-vaccinated through government policies or the media. Its counterproductive. Like you said give the people the information and let them decide. Stop trying to coerce people or heaven forbid bring in mandatory vaccinations.
     Anyway, once again i hope you and your family keep well and best wishes to your sister on her recovery.

Yeah I agree. It sends out the message that unvaccinated are all running about like mad loons, adhering to no guidance. While the jabbed are all doing the right things.

Not only that but this reporting that all those in hospital and taking up the icu beds are all Unvaccinated. Which then gives the vaccinated another false sense of protection. Ah sure we're alright, we don't have to be careful, sure it's only the unvaccinated who are in danger

But isn't it awful good of governments to go to such lengths to care about whether Tom Dick and Harry are vaccinated. They're terribly concerned about our healths, that they'll go to extreme lengths to keep us all safe. And we really haven't seen nothing yet. Covid passports in hospitality are only the beginning. Expect to see Austria-type situation upcoming. Singapore are refusing medical treatment to unvaccinated and the big supermarkets already have  covid passports in place ready to go, even though they've not law yet

But nothing unusual about all that. They only want what's best for me and you.

[I've followed the guidelines as has my immediate family,]

Very simple for me, my job is in contact with vulnerable people, if I caught Covid and passed it on and someone ended up infected by me not getting vaccinated then I'd be in the wrong and feel pretty shut about it to, my sister is just out of cancer treatment another good reason for me.

The facts have been shown that being vaccinated, regardless of the amount it was promised to protect us, will reduced the viral load.

People do what they want, you can wear ear plugs if you work in a noisy environment or not, rest assured you'll regret it later.

I've followed the guidelines as has my immediate family, to date we haven't got it, we've been working and socialising without annoyance either.

As for measures to encourage people, do what you feel is right for you. I'll follow my path, I haven't got a degree in virology or biochemistry, so on that front I'll listen to the experts.

I thought you said your youngster was never at home from all that partying ? 

Mario Bollocksack, holy mother of Jesus!!

[Mean age of those who have died is 83 and I can imagine most at that age would have underlying conditions.]

Gavan Reilly
@gavreilly
Updated figures from HPSC, for 7 days to last Saturday:

Total ICU admissions 48
of whom 23 fully vaccinated, 5 partly, 20 unvaccinated

Total deaths notified* 45
of whom 41 fully vaccinated, 4 partly, 0 unvaccinated

(* Often include lag, so may reflect deaths occurring earlier)

Have you the rest of the information on that? what age they were what were their underlying conditions and so on please

Mean age of those who have died is 83 and I can imagine most at that age would have underlying conditions.

If thats true (not questioning it btw) and typical across an extended period  it just shows that death stats are pretty irrelevant. Not to downplay the personal impact on individual families but if I make it to 83 I would count myself as having done all right and if Covid is the final straw then so be it.

I would be more interested in what proportion of the ICU beds are taken up by unvaccinated.

I'm sure I read of HSE saying yesterday that 20% of all ICU beds taken up by those ****s.
If they survive they should be billed for the entire cost of treatment, bed occupancy etc!
Maybe their apologists could contribute too!

What about those vaccinated that are in ICU? Who gets the bill for their stay in hospital? Pfizer?

So Benny there's two ways of fixing it, full lockdowns till when there's a cure, or let it rip through the community until it dies out.

Which one do you prefer?

Well it looks  like it's ripping through the community rightly at the minute!  I just don't think passports are the answer. I mean, 3/4 people  from different houses could head out for a drink/meal. They may have come in the same car, so they could have spread it then without even the possibility  of spreading it around a booth/table. Yet they get entry no questions asked. And yes,  you might say as they're jabbed, infection won't be as severe. But it's still an infection, and it's still another figure, and 3/4 houses/workplaces/schools etc are now at risk from further spread.  While a passport exists, people feel like they are no danger or not at risk, because it will give them a false sense of protection (like the vaccine), and they won't care as long as they can enter the pub.

And how often on average will someone go out for a drink/meal? Once or twice a week, if that? But how many times have those same People entered other houses without masks during that week? Shared  a car with someone without masks?  Entered shops, worked beside someone?  Hospitality is  minute compared to what is happening on a  wider scale in the community. I've met people in shops who have worn masks,  yet share cars, and enter family/friends houses without masks.  Why do they wear masks in a shop to help protect strangers yet they don't wear them  to protect elderly parents, vulnerable friends/family? 

[I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas. Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down]

I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

On a similar note, the 1916 commemoration should not have happened at Croke Park. I don't see a difference in that and the hunger strike marches at matches in the 80's. No place for those on a GAA field. And not only because it will deter unionists from taking part , but because ithey are political and nothing to do with sport

Agree on the political  shirts as well.

In recent years too , I've come to the opinion that the tri colour shouldn't be flown at grounds either. The GAA flag should be flown instead. And national anthem used  for all Ireland finals only.

[lateral flow test confirmation]

So passport not needed, lateral flow test confirmation and if last 6 months you had Covid! Some spin on this news already!

So, unvaccinated Tom takes test to enter pub, meaning he doesn't have covid

Vaccinated Dick enters pub with passport, meaning he could have covid.

So who's likely to do the spreading?

Just stay in then, you and Eire90 can have a mask free, passport free candle light dinner and talk about GAA games on a Friday night

It's a simple question to answer. But the answer doesn't  fit your  narrative

It's very simple you can catch Covid from vaccinated people, but they have shown that you are significantly better off (as is the nhs) from being hospitalised, thus saving the beds for people who have other medical problems.

So having more people vaccinated will reduce pressure in the nhs?

But it's not just about the nhs. So is it ok for tens of thousands to have the virus, but sure there's only a dozen in ICU, so it's all grand eh?  Sure theres plenty of beds free. Is that acceptable?

Surely it's more important to eliminate transmission altogether? Saying vaccinated people are less affected, won't need hospitalisation etc,  is a cop out. It's still a transmission! And that transmission leads to further transmissions. And somewhere down that line of transmission someone even  fully vaccinated will succumb to the virus.

[lateral flow test confirmation]

So passport not needed, lateral flow test confirmation and if last 6 months you had Covid! Some spin on this news already!

So, unvaccinated Tom takes test to enter pub, meaning he doesn't have covid

Vaccinated Dick enters pub with passport, meaning he could have covid.

So who's likely to do the spreading?

Just stay in then, you and Eire90 can have a mask free, passport free candle light dinner and talk about GAA games on a Friday night

It's a simple question to answer. But the answer doesn't  fit your  narrative

[lateral flow test confirmation]

So passport not needed, lateral flow test confirmation and if last 6 months you had Covid! Some spin on this news already!

So, unvaccinated Tom takes test to enter pub, meaning he doesn't have covid

Vaccinated Dick enters pub with passport, meaning he could have covid.

So who's likely to do the spreading?

they will probably still do a lockdown of pubs

Well as the grants/furlough has stopped, there will be no pubs left to close soon enough anyway

[Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.]

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Maybe not, but it is baffling why names like that still exist a century after the Brits left

[Links to slavery just isn't acceptable]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

What about someone who shot a  few Brits, served his time, then seen the error of his ways. Then went on to do good work in cross community relations, helped the peace process, etc (not sure if there is actually a club named after anyone who fits this description... but you know what I'm getting at).

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

Well it's just a figure of speech.

But it depends on the era of taking up arms. As we all know from  the Dublin media/establishment, 1916 = courageous heroes. Late 1960's onwards = terrorists.