Football All Stars 2019

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imtommygunn

I don't think he is as good as made out either. Still decent but not the best about or anything.

Not too many dubs on a lot of these teams.

lenny

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
I could be wrong on this but I don't think O'Brien is going to count in the final and this will go against him. Clifford I think will.

I was watching his goal again and the defending was very poor. Two maybe three tyrone men drawn to the ball leaving the space for him to run into right in front of goals. Dublin won't do something like that.

Mcnamee was very poor for the o'brien goal. He's ball watching and allows o'brien to make the run on his blindside. Very costly mistake and should cost him his all star also. I hope mcshane gets one but he's got tough competition in geaney, clifford, o callaghan, mannion, cillian o'connor. If clifford, o callaghan and mannion all play well in the final they are likely to get the nod. In that case tyrone will likely get a token all star like donnelly or cavanagh.

tonto1888

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 08:36:16 AM
I don't think he is as good as made out either. Still decent but not the best about or anything.

Not too many dubs on a lot of these teams.

Who is a better full back than McNamee. As an Armagh man, I wish he was from Armagh.

imtommygunn

I wish he was from my county too. Maybe you have a point - I am not convinced he is as good as lauded but in terms of current full backs people like Harrison, McGee, Fitzsimmons etc the best probably and I suppose you could say he is as good as them. Kerry very weak in this area as we will probably see in the final.

GalwayBayBoy

Quote from: square_ball on August 16, 2019, 08:20:43 AM
McNamee still 10/3 on PP for an all star. I wasn't overly impressed with him this year but seems to be a big favourite on here.

No real stand outs at full-back this year probably gives him a chance.

Angelo

Quote from: lenny on August 16, 2019, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
I could be wrong on this but I don't think O'Brien is going to count in the final and this will go against him. Clifford I think will.

I was watching his goal again and the defending was very poor. Two maybe three tyrone men drawn to the ball leaving the space for him to run into right in front of goals. Dublin won't do something like that.

Mcnamee was very poor for the o'brien goal. He's ball watching and allows o'brien to make the run on his blindside. Very costly mistake and should cost him his all star also. I hope mcshane gets one but he's got tough competition in geaney, clifford, o callaghan, mannion, cillian o'connor. If clifford, o callaghan and mannion all play well in the final they are likely to get the nod. In that case tyrone will likely get a token all star like donnelly or cavanagh.

For me you could blame five or six for that goal. McKernan is in the perfect spot to hold his position but he goes rushing out with Harte to close down Geaney and the space opens up. We had enough bodies back there to ensure there was no goal chance. In any case Geaney looked to have overplayed the ball and was extremely lucky not to be pulled.

McNamee should also have tracked the run. But likewise players should have been smart enough to plug the gap. It's a consistent failing with McKernan, he has cost us at least three goals in Championship since last year's All Ireland final with rushing in on the man at the ball and no regard to the danger behind. He's a great engine and is very tough but he's too raw for this level right now IMO.

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Maroon Manc

Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2019, 09:29:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 08:36:16 AM
I don't think he is as good as made out either. Still decent but not the best about or anything.

Not too many dubs on a lot of these teams.

Who is a better full back than McNamee. As an Armagh man, I wish he was from Armagh.

I can't think of any top class fullback with any county.


theticklemister

Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 16, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2019, 09:29:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 08:36:16 AM
I don't think he is as good as made out either. Still decent but not the best about or anything.

Not too many dubs on a lot of these teams.

Who is a better full back than McNamee. As an Armagh man, I wish he was from Armagh.

I can't think of any top class fullback with any county.

The style of football has changed. No more long high balls into the square where the bear-like full back tears out with the ball.

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Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 16, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2019, 09:29:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 08:36:16 AM
I don't think he is as good as made out either. Still decent but not the best about or anything.

Not too many dubs on a lot of these teams.

Who is a better full back than McNamee. As an Armagh man, I wish he was from Armagh.

I can't think of any top class fullback with any county.

Its a role that has changed massively since the introduction of the sweeper. Used to be one of the most important positions on the pitch. Had to be strong, good under the high ball, quick and able to defend from infront with forwards leading both directions. I remember an old (school) manager of mine roaring at the corner backs that they only had to run one way i.e towards the sideline. If a corner forward won a ball inside they were liable to to hooked! ;D

Darren Fay was probably the best I remember watching live. Owens from Fermanagh was excellent over an extended period as well and I think Seamus Moynihan had a couple of outstanding seasons when he didnt play CHB but I would be hard pushed to name many specialist full backs at that level more recently.

The modern game means that the FB is just another defender who's primary aim is to stand the forward up until the blanket arrives and then support the runners out of defense. Interesting that Kerry defense struggled badly against McShane's more traditional Full Forward approach for long periods last week.


imtommygunn

I would have said the same of Tyrone when Walsh came on.

tonto1888

Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 16, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2019, 09:29:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 08:36:16 AM
I don't think he is as good as made out either. Still decent but not the best about or anything.

Not too many dubs on a lot of these teams.

Who is a better full back than McNamee. As an Armagh man, I wish he was from Armagh.

I can't think of any top class fullback with any county.

There may not be any but for me McNamee is the best of what there is

TabClear

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 05:12:40 PM
I would have said the same of Tyrone when Walsh came on.

If you mean the Tyrone struggled badly at full back after TW came on fair point, they absolutely did. It would make you wonder if there is something to be said for old school tactics!  ;) ;)

imtommygunn

Imo Walsh turned that game. Can't kick a ball any more but can win it and lay it off well. If Tyrone were prepared I think they'd have had a way to cut it out but caught them cold. All depends what players you have available whether it would work or not.

Angelo

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 09:47:05 PM
Imo Walsh turned that game. Can't kick a ball any more but can win it and lay it off well. If Tyrone were prepared I think they'd have had a way to cut it out but caught them cold. All depends what players you have available whether it would work or not.

He certainly made a huge chance but Deegan had changed the flow of the game at that point, Tyrone should have been 6 or 7 up and it's a different game then.
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imtommygunn

Quote from: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 09:47:05 PM
Imo Walsh turned that game. Can't kick a ball any more but can win it and lay it off well. If Tyrone were prepared I think they'd have had a way to cut it out but caught them cold. All depends what players you have available whether it would work or not.

He certainly made a huge chance but Deegan had changed the flow of the game at that point, Tyrone should have been 6 or 7 up and it's a different game then.

;D

Tyrone really struggled with him anything to do with reffing aside though. he really can't kick a ball any more though.