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Well done St Killians (Garron Tower) comfortable winners All Ireland B Colleges.

A rising tide lifts all boats. Cargin the indisputable model that anyone in Antrim needs to match up to if they hope to emulate. No substitute for hard work, and an ethos where success is the only show in town.

PG1 a work in progress, as said before, whatever current batch achieves, much more work being done with next generation.

Anyone who thinks JMK going round South Derry trying to attract players is ludicrous. Zero substance in some of these "presumptions". A great clubman doing own club job for free despite numerous large "offers" elsewhere...whilst still contributing handsomely to our juvenile sector. Exceptionally well regarded in these parts.

Bredagh - Kieran McGourty / Deaghlan Bunting are both there AFAIK.

Massive difference Caesar, but never worry about the facts, it's all about the spin. I'm not even going to try to explain defend or justify, or give this any more oxygen. Yes a player who came up through the ranks may lose out on game time, but that's life, it will still go on.

Love your thinking Rawhide, said it here dozens of times. CLUBs have to take the main responsibility for player development.

While some Antrim schools and clubs try to put their best foot forward, I think it's fair to say many are simply going through the motions. Pretty much falls into the apathy department in my book. Not trying to be critical of the dedicated coaches out there doing their utmost, but if the support structure isn't there it's an uphill task!

The great thing about schools that take their GAA ethos really seriously is that the programme starts the first week in the gate at year eight.

A school that offers 8 hours a week across a mixture of training/matches/S&C/pilates/yoga/ diet and nutritional advice will produce a much better individual...than say a school that offers x2 hours a week across the same spectrum of activity.

It's basic maths.

Across 40 weeks and 7 years it's 2240 man hours versus 560 man hours.

Obviously not an exact science, but a blind man should see the difference a full on school can make to player development versus a school going through the motions.

Then do the same exercise across a progressive club versus a club taking short cuts.

It's all about the work, and as Duine says, the level of apathy in some Antrim schools and clubs is appalling.

The wee Tyrone Tornado has just qualified for Paris Olympics in ultra competitive 57kg weight division. Flawless display from Jude Gallagher, Four wins out of four over the week..
See you in Paris Jude.

It's definitely a wake up call if one was needed! For the record last years under 20s struggled too at times, but it took a very fancied Donegal team to penalties in Ballybofey in the championship. But yes, a very bad day at the office, no one can dispute that.

That's far too wide a statement Yellowcard. Whatever happens at under age, the only team that's properly in the shop window is the senior team.

An alterior argument might be to put resources into a senior team that might just lift the profile and that had to start by getting out if Div 4. Now Div 3, that new target is Div 2, albeit that won't be this year.

While we don't expect to win a provincial minor cship or under 20, we still do need to be pulling three or four players per year from these squads to filter into senior level.

Imo it's at club under 8 level this needs to start. And there's a lot of clubs starting to get their act together now that it's safe to say we're not doing as much a decade ago.

I don't forsee much success in the next few years,but I'm not totally despondent about the future.

This group have definitely had their share of hammerings over the years, and that being the case we are all to blame. Let's not put this at the door of the management or even the players, they're out there doing their best.

Here's the ironic thing...and it's only my opinion....we could get 4 or 5 county seniors from this squad. I've seen some year groups we get a lot less than that.

Potentially Manus McCrossan and Niall Hynds would be midfield (in this team) and two Cargin seniors Conan and Conchuir Johnston were also missing yesterday.Cargins Big Charley McCann will turn into a baller before hes finished.

Tiernan McCormick has a massive future in Saffron if he can develop a bit more end product to match the flying runs.

I'm not deliberately cherry picking here, yesterday was hard to watch, but there's a batch here that need our support  not our derision.

Today exposed once again the gap that exists, that was a humbling experience. Tyrone an absolute joy to watch, we just weren't anywhere near the same level, unfortunately.

We need a football sub committee formed immediately to even start to think about how we can start closing the gap. We won't sort it out here, that's for sure.

Otherwise we will be having this same conversation in another 20 years.

We enjoyed winning a league last year, Creggan took that route too before going one further a few years back. Any silverware at the dinner dance is good imo...

Don't see EL causing any problems  he has settled in well and hopefully will lead a forward line that I feel was far too individual in the past. He's popular with players and management and might just add that extra % in terms of belief.

Got a serious run of away fixtures to all the top sides in the second half of the league, but tbh, whatever way it pans out, round here there's only one monkey that needs to be eliminated, and that's the only priority.

"I've said this before here, probably on this thread, but I've a cousin who lives in Florida and who is a mild Trumper. They came to NYC last year for Paddy's Day, but they were telling me that their friends were pleading with them not to go. The friends were genuinely terrified that my cousin wouldn't make it out of NYC alive, such was the barrage of nonsense circulating through the right wing media about the safety of NYC and other large "Democratic" cities. Never mind that crime rates are historically low, that NYC is among the safest large cities in the US, and that millions of New Yorkers go about their daily lives without incident. All lies and bullshit to those who consume right wing media and political discourse." Quote.



I've absolutely no skin in the game  think America is nuts tbh, and rotten to the core.  Both political parties controlled blackmailed or bought out by Israelis and its been that way for decades.

My daughter and son in law spent 5 days in NYC just a few weeks ago. They did all the major sights and attractions which were fine, but said that there was proper menace on every sidestreet, junkies popping out everywhere, looking like zombies. They felt like they were being followed and said it was a very unpleasant experience, because it was not an isolated thing, it was everywhere! And neither of them are shrinking violets!

Surely America can do better than put up a pervert and multiple charge sheet narcissist  and an octogenarian who sadly has lost his way. I've zero intention ever to go near the place tbh...