County Rankings 2001-2015

Started by Feckitt, June 10, 2013, 12:19:44 PM

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AFS

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 03, 2015, 11:11:36 PM
Quote from: Niall8100 on May 03, 2015, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 30, 2015, 07:29:12 PM
Monaghan are a mile ahead of anyone else if you factor in population, resources etc, now most will say this does not count but we all know it does, so when the "top" team goes up to collect their "celtic cross" thanks to some multi euro deal and a professional set up in everything but name the truth is they were bought by big business but we all know that the Monaghans of this championship are the real heroes.
Yere rankings are a load of rubbish.

When you look at the stats it really is amazing to see how well Monaghan are doing with the resources they have. Below is the top 10 ranked counties (according to that list) with their populations and amount of gaa clubs.


CountyPopulation(rank in Ireland)No. GAA Clubs(rank in Ireland)
1 Dublin1,273,069(1st)92(2nd)
2 Kerry145,502(14th)70(5th)
3 Donegal161,137(12th)40(23rd)
4 Mayo130,638(17th)50(12th)
5 Cork519,032(4th)155(1st)
6 Monaghan60,483(29th)33(26th)
7 Tyrone179,000(10th)53(8th)
8 Armagh174,792(11th)51(10th)
9 Meath184,135(9th)59(7th)
10 Derry247,132(6th)40(24th)

Sources: https://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/2015AnnualReport.pdf (Page 80-81)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_counties_by_population

Be interested to see the sources for this as there are over 200 clubs in Cork. 220 or so I think. 74 in Kerry by my reckoning aswell.

The Armagh figure seems a bit off too. There are only 45 clubs, between football and hurling, fielding in the county this year. 38 football only, 3 hurling only, and 4 dual clubs. The only way I can come up with 51 is by counting the dual clubs double and throwing in a couple of junior clubs that have folded in the last few years. That report doesn't seem to be the most reliable of documents.

Syferus

155 clubs and no football supporters. It must be a strange life being a Cork IC footballer.

Niall8100

Don't know what to say then, I assumed the GAA's annual report would have the right figures.

twohands!!!

Quote from: Niall8100 on May 04, 2015, 10:38:44 AM
Don't know what to say then, I assumed the GAA's annual report would have the right figures.

Wonder if it has anything to do with allocations of tickets for All-Ireland finals.

Might suit some county boards to have an extra club or two "on the books"

Also might be some places where clubs amalgamate at underage or for hurling which might add in a few extra individuals clubs if they are operating under a different name.

Feckitt

I forgot to update the roll of honour rankings after last years championship.  This is the cumulative performances of counties from the beginning of the qualifiers in 2001 until now.  Big movers last year were Dublin who overtook Tyrone and moved into second place.  Perennial contenders Mayo continue to be only the 8th most successful team of the new century as all the other teams above them have won the All Ireland.  Monaghan have moved slightly up the rankings, no other real changes. 

This is not a current ranking, but an overview of what have been the most successful counties over the last 15 years.  Teams like Armagh and Galway still rank highly due to their achievements in the earlier years.  To date 21 counties have managed to reach the quarter finals in the last 15 years.

1.  Kerry          4-5-3-2
2.  Dublin        3-0-5-5
3.  Tyrone       3-0-3-5
4.  Cork           1-2-5-2
5.  Armagh      1-1-1-3
6.  Donegal     1-0-2-5
7.  Galway       1-0-0-4
8.  Mayo           0-4-2-3
9.  Meath         0-1-2-1
10. Down         0-1-0-1
11. Derry          0-0-2-1
12. Kildare        0-0-1-5
13. Fermanagh 0-0-1-2
14. Wexford     0-0-1-0
15. Laois           0-0-0-4
=16. Roscommon 0-0-0-3
=16. Westmeath  0-0-0-3
=16. Monaghan 0-0-0-3
19. Sligo           0-0-0-2
=20. Limerick     0-0-0-1
=20. Cavan        0-0-0-1

StephenC

Donegal beaten finalists in 2014.

Never beat the deeler

#81
There are only a total of 14 in each of the first two columns. If it's 2001 - 2015 (incl), and it seems to be as Galway have an AI to their name, then you're missing a year

(edit: seems to be 2014 as per StephenC above. Kerry should have 5: 2004, 06, 07, 09, 14)
Hasta la victoria siempre

Feckitt

Thanks Lads, I added 2015 results onto the 2013 figures and accidentally left out 2014.  The figures now more accurately reflect the dominance that Kerry have enjoyed as always being there or thereabouts consistently since 2001.  Dublin would need to win another 3 All Irelands before they would pass Kerry on the list.  Donegal move above Armagh, and Monaghan move up the list another wee bit.

The figures used are obviously crude but I think give a true picture.  Derry and Kildare may have played more big matches in Croke Park than Down, but they surely would've swapped all those days in the sun for a chance to play in the All Ireland Final in September.  Likewise, Mayo have consistently been a top team throughout the last 15 years and have the All Ireland final appearances and Connacht titles to show for it, but deep down there is not a single Mayo man who would not swap it for 1 All-Ireland.  That is why Galway and Armagh will always remain above them on this list.

1.  Kerry          5-5-3-2
2.  Dublin        3-0-6-5
3.  Tyrone       3-0-3-5
4.  Cork           1-2-5-3
5.  Donegal      1-1-2-5
6.  Armagh      1-1-1-4
7.  Galway       1-0-0-5
8.  Mayo           0-4-3-3
9.  Meath         0-1-2-1
10. Down         0-1-0-1
11. Derry          0-0-2-1
12. Kildare        0-0-1-5
13. Fermanagh 0-0-1-2
14. Wexford     0-0-1-0
=15. Laois           0-0-0-4
=15. Monaghan  0-0-0-4
=17. Roscommon 0-0-0-3
=17. Westmeath  0-0-0-3
19. Sligo           0-0-0-2
=20. Limerick     0-0-0-1
=20. Cavan        0-0-0-1

ck

155 clubs in Cork. That's incredible!!

From the Bunker

Quote from: Feckitt on February 02, 2016, 08:24:13 AM
Thanks Lads, I added 2015 results onto the 2013 figures and accidentally left out 2014.  The figures now more accurately reflect the dominance that Kerry have enjoyed as always being there or thereabouts consistently since 2001.  Dublin would need to win another 3 All Irelands before they would pass Kerry on the list.  Donegal move above Armagh, and Monaghan move up the list another wee bit.

The figures used are obviously crude but I think give a true picture.  Derry and Kildare may have played more big matches in Croke Park than Down, but they surely would've swapped all those days in the sun for a chance to play in the All Ireland Final in September.  Likewise, Mayo have consistently been a top team throughout the last 15 years and have the All Ireland final appearances and Connacht titles to show for it, but deep down there is not a single Mayo man who would not swap it for 1 All-Ireland.  That is why Galway and Armagh will presently always remain above them on this list.

1.  Kerry          5-5-3-2
2.  Dublin        3-0-6-5
3.  Tyrone       3-0-3-5
4.  Cork           1-2-5-3
5.  Donegal      1-1-2-5
6.  Armagh      1-1-1-4
7.  Galway       1-0-0-5
8.  Mayo           0-4-3-3
9.  Meath         0-1-2-1
10. Down         0-1-0-1
11. Derry          0-0-2-1
12. Kildare        0-0-1-5
13. Fermanagh 0-0-1-2
14. Wexford     0-0-1-0
=15. Laois           0-0-0-4
=15. Monaghan  0-0-0-4
=17. Roscommon 0-0-0-3
=17. Westmeath  0-0-0-3
19. Sligo           0-0-0-2
=20. Limerick     0-0-0-1
=20. Cavan        0-0-0-1

;)

seafoid

Galway above Mayo is a joke.The Sam fetish
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Kuwabatake Sanjuro

One great ranking system is the points exchange one utilised by Laoisman11(Football) and ZombieHanalei(Hurling) over on boards.ie (derived from Rogby's IRB rankings)
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057173179&page=18

#   Δ Rank   Team   Rating points   Δ Rating
1   steady   Dublin    110.36    0.93
2   steady   Kerry    102.69    -0.93
3   steady   Mayo    97.00    -3.46
4   steady   Tyrone    96.45    0.01
5   increase   Monaghan    96.23    0.61
6   decrease   Donegal    95.71    0.00
7   steady   Kildare    93.41    0.57
8   increase   Cork    92.82    3.46
9   decrease   Galway    89.71    0.01
10   increase   Derry    87.90    2.38
11   decrease   Fermanagh    87.01    -2.38
12   increase   Meath    84.18    1.16
13   decrease   Roscommon    83.08    -0.61
14   steady   Armagh    81.48    -1.16
15   steady   Westmeath    79.99    -0.57
16   increase   Tipperary    78.62    -0.37
17   decrease   Sligo    77.68    -2.85
18   increase   Down    77.27    0.00
19   decrease   Longford    76.33    -1.90
20   increase   Clare    76.31    2.86
21   decrease   Wexford    75.86    0.08
22   decrease   Cavan    75.27    0.00
23   increase   Offaly    73.14    1.90
24   decrease   Limerick    72.67    0.37
25   steady   Antrim    72.42    0.72
26   decrease   Laois    71.79    -0.01
27   steady   Louth    70.84    0.39
28   steady   Leitrim    64.48    -0.08
29   steady   Wicklow    61.99    0.70
30   steady   London    60.68    -0.39
31   steady   Carlow    60.19    -0.73
32   steady   New York    57.17    0.00
33   steady   Waterford    55.62    -0.70

Interesting to note no team has had as high a rating as Dublin have now since Kerry in 1978.

dec

#87
Quote from: Feckitt on February 02, 2016, 08:24:13 AM
Thanks Lads, I added 2015 results onto the 2013 figures and accidentally left out 2014.  The figures now more accurately reflect the dominance that Kerry have enjoyed as always being there or thereabouts consistently since 2001.  Dublin would need to win another 3 All Irelands before they would pass Kerry on the list.  Donegal move above Armagh, and Monaghan move up the list another wee bit.

The figures used are obviously crude but I think give a true picture.  Derry and Kildare may have played more big matches in Croke Park than Down, but they surely would've swapped all those days in the sun for a chance to play in the All Ireland Final in September.  Likewise, Mayo have consistently been a top team throughout the last 15 years and have the All Ireland final appearances and Connacht titles to show for it, but deep down there is not a single Mayo man who would not swap it for 1 All-Ireland.  That is why Galway and Armagh will always remain above them on this list.

1.  Kerry          5-5-3-2
2.  Dublin        3-0-6-5
3.  Tyrone       3-0-3-5
4.  Cork           1-2-5-3
5.  Donegal      1-1-2-5
6.  Armagh      1-1-1-4
7.  Galway       1-0-0-5
8.  Mayo           0-4-3-3
9.  Meath         0-1-2-1
10. Down         0-1-0-1
11. Derry          0-0-2-1
12. Kildare        0-0-1-5
13. Fermanagh 0-0-1-2
14. Wexford     0-0-1-0
=15. Laois           0-0-0-4
=15. Monaghan  0-0-0-4
=17. Roscommon 0-0-0-3
=17. Westmeath  0-0-0-3
19. Sligo           0-0-0-2
=20. Limerick     0-0-0-1
=20. Cavan        0-0-0-1

As an Armagh man I certainly wouldn't swap our All Ireland for Mayo's greater consistency over the 15 years. However I did re-rank your table based on a points system (AI winners 5pts, Runners-up 3 pts, Semis 2pt Q/Fs 1pt). It did move some counties.

Kerry       5   5   3   2   48
Dublin      3   0   6   5   32
Tyrone      3   0   3   5   26
Cork        1   2   5   3   24
Mayo        0   4   3   3   21
Donegal     1   1   2   5   17
Armagh      1   1   1   4   14
Galway      1   0   0   5   10
Meath       0   1   2   1   8
Kildare     0   0   1   5   7
Derry       0   0   2   1   5
Down        0   1   0   1   4
Fermanagh   0   0   1   2   4
Laois       0   0   0   4   4
Monaghan    0   0   0   4   4
Roscommon   0   0   0   3   3
Westmeath   0   0   0   3   3
Wexford     0   0   1   0   2
Sligo       0   0   0   2   2
Limerick    0   0   0   1   1
Cavan       0   0   0   1   1


and by province

ulster     5   3   9    23   75
munster    6   7   8    6    73
leinster   3   1   10   18   56
connacht   1   4   3    13   36


armaghniac

One problem with this is that in Connacht and Munster there are only two well rated teams, who may well meet in the Provincial final and both likely reach the QFs. An Ulster team might get dumped into the qualifiers at an early stage and meet another decent team early on.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

armaghniac

#89
Laoisman's rankings from Boards.ie after the League.
Likely some changes ahead over the summer!!! Armagh swapping places with Cavan would be a good start.



































RankΔ RankTeamΔ RatingΔ Rating Jan 2016Δ Ranking Jan 2016
1 = Dublin 112.01 1.12 2.58 0
2 = Kerry 102.22 -1.12 -1.40 0
3 = Mayo 96.72 0.00 -3.74 0
4 = Tyrone 95.83 0.63 -0.62 0
5 = Donegal 93.27 0.00 -2.44 0
6 = Monaghan 92.51 0.00 -3.11 0
7 = Cork 91.15 0.00 1.79 3
8 Roscommon 90.47 0.00 6.78 4
9 Kildare 88.42 -2.62 -4.42 -2
10 = Cavan 85.91 -0.63 10.64 11
11 = Galway 85.89 0.00 -3.81 -3
12 = Fermanagh 84.85 0.00 -4.54 -3
13 = Armagh 83.87 0.00 1.23 1
14 ▲ 3 Clare 82.51 2.62 9.06 8
15 Meath 82.43 0.00 -0.59 -2
16 Derry 81.87 0.00 -3.65 -5
17 Longford 79.98 0.00 1.75 1
18 = Sligo 78.88 0.00 -1.66 -2
19 = Tipperary 77.79 0.00 -1.20 -2
20 = Westmeath 77.33 0.00 -3.23 -5
21 = Down 76.81 0.00 -0.46 -2
22 = Offaly 76.25 0.00 5.01 4
23 ▲ 3 Louth 74.49 1.66 4.04 4
24 = Wexford 73.26 0.00 -2.52 -4
25 = Laois 73.14 0.00 1.34 -1
26 ▼ 3 Antrim 72.79 -1.66 1.09 -1
27 = Limerick 66.99 0.00 -5.31 -4
28 = Wicklow 61.94 0.00 0.65 1
29 = Leitrim 61.23 0.00 -3.33 -1
30 = Carlow 61.20 0.00 0.29 1
31 = Waterford 59.14 0.00 2.82 2
32 = London 58.03 0.00 -3.04 -2
33 = New York 57.17 0.00 0.00 -1
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B