So what do ye think of the black card rule now?

Started by sligoman2, April 08, 2014, 04:06:38 PM

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Are you in favour of the black card rule

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Voting closed: May 17, 2014, 08:10:51 PM

muppet

Quote from: BennyHarp on January 04, 2015, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 04, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 04, 2015, 07:38:29 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 01, 2015, 03:33:40 PM
Don't want to rehash this but I think overall it has been good.  A lot of the nasty stuff is gone.

This is another bollocksy statement that gets trotted out by the black card brigade and if repeated enough will become fact.

My sincere apologies Benny, I forgot the law that says if a statement is true it can't be considered a fact because YOU don't agree with it. I'll try to remember that next time to cut down on the confusion levels.

It's not a fact.

Can anyone imagine any other trial, whereby the introduction of a new process was largely ignored, and then results produced from the period it was ignored to declare the trial a success? Ben Goldacre would rip this 'finding' to shreds.

Calling it a success is absurd.
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Keyser soze

Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on October 03, 2014, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 03, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
Statistically it's been a great success.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-claim-statistics-prove-success-of-black-card-1.1949901

Here is proof that 1 = 0:

x = y.
Then x2 = xy.
Subtract the same thing from both sides:
x2 - y2 = xy - y2.
Dividing by (x-y), obtain
x + y = y.
Since x = y, we see that
2 y = y.
Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero.
Subtracting 1 from both sides,
1 = 0.

After 17509 posts your beginning to make sense.

The excellent Spailpín nails the issue here I believe.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.ie/

Now in fairness I didnt listen too well during simultaneous equations but if x=y then x-y=0 and if you divide by zero you end up with 0=0

muppet

Quote from: Keyser soze on January 05, 2015, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on October 03, 2014, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 03, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
Statistically it's been a great success.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-claim-statistics-prove-success-of-black-card-1.1949901

Here is proof that 1 = 0:

x = y.
Then x2 = xy.
Subtract the same thing from both sides:
x2 - y2 = xy - y2.
Dividing by (x-y), obtain
x + y = y.
Since x = y, we see that
2 y = y.
Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero.
Subtracting 1 from both sides,
1 = 0.

After 17509 posts your beginning to make sense.

The excellent Spailpín nails the issue here I believe.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.ie/

Now in fairness I didnt listen too well during simultaneous equations but if x=y then x-y=0 and if you divide by zero you end up with 0=0

Close enough.  ;)

You can't normally divide by zero.
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Keyser soze

Quote from: muppet on January 05, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 05, 2015, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on October 03, 2014, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 03, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
Statistically it's been a great success.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-claim-statistics-prove-success-of-black-card-1.1949901

Here is proof that 1 = 0:

x = y.
Then x2 = xy.
Subtract the same thing from both sides:
x2 - y2 = xy - y2.
Dividing by (x-y), obtain
x + y = y.
Since x = y, we see that
2 y = y.
Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero.
Subtracting 1 from both sides,
1 = 0.

After 17509 posts your beginning to make sense.

The excellent Spailpín nails the issue here I believe.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.ie/

Now in fairness I didnt listen too well during simultaneous equations but if x=y then x-y=0 and if you divide by zero you end up with 0=0

Close enough.  ;)

You can't normally divide by zero.

Yes I know. I was just pointing out that you didn't!

muppet

Quote from: Keyser soze on January 06, 2015, 10:26:37 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 05, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 05, 2015, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on October 03, 2014, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 03, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
Statistically it's been a great success.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-claim-statistics-prove-success-of-black-card-1.1949901

Here is proof that 1 = 0:

x = y.
Then x2 = xy.
Subtract the same thing from both sides:
x2 - y2 = xy - y2.
Dividing by (x-y), obtain
x + y = y.
Since x = y, we see that
2 y = y.
Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero.
Subtracting 1 from both sides,
1 = 0.

After 17509 posts your beginning to make sense.

The excellent Spailpín nails the issue here I believe.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.ie/

Now in fairness I didnt listen too well during simultaneous equations but if x=y then x-y=0 and if you divide by zero you end up with 0=0

Close enough.  ;)

You can't normally divide by zero.

Yes I know. I was just pointing out that you didn't!

Oh right. Thank God you came to rescue me.
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orangeman

Is it only me or does there seem to be more black card being shown now ?

The body checking one seems to be getting highlighted. I thought you had to step across your opponent to take him out in order for it to be black ?


http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/rules-and-regulations/

muppet

Quote from: orangeman on February 10, 2015, 12:05:50 PM
Is it only me or does there seem to be more black card being shown now ?

The body checking one seems to be getting highlighted. I thought you had to step across your opponent to take him out in order for it to be black ?


http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/rules-and-regulations/

Stevie from Killeavey on the AOS black card:

http://inagist.com/all/564441099532783616/

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twohands!!!

Has anyone anywhere at any level gotten a black for any of the last 2 offences.

If I was still reffing, I'd be using these all the time, to shut up player's mouthing/ acting the edjit.

Really don't know why refs are using these more (shut down the back whoever said/is thinking that too many refs don't understand the meaning of some of the words in these 2) I'd be using five a hell of a lot and force clubs/guilty players that their remonstrating wasn't aggressive.

4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.

I would have preferred if they had added or to a match official in rule 4 dropped the aggressive manner from number 5  so that they read.

4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate or a Match Official.
5. Remonstrate in with a Match Official.

Basically there's no place from remonstrating on a field of play 99.9999% of the time.

muppet

Quote from: twohands!!! on February 10, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
Has anyone anywhere at any level gotten a black for any of the last 2 offences.

If I was still reffing, I'd be using these all the time, to shut up player's mouthing/ acting the edjit.

Really don't know why refs are using these more (shut down the back whoever said/is thinking that too many refs don't understand the meaning of some of the words in these 2) I'd be using five a hell of a lot and force clubs/guilty players that their remonstrating wasn't aggressive.

4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.

I would have preferred if they had added or to a match official in rule 4 dropped the aggressive manner from number 5  so that they read.

4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate or a Match Official.
5. Remonstrate in with a Match Official.

Basically there's no place from remonstrating on a field of play 99.9999% of the time.

It would certainly improve things.
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muppet

Last year we were told that the high scoring seen in the League was all down to the Black Card and thus proved its success.

This year we still have the magnificent Black Card, but somehow we have muck. How can this be? Surely the Black Card was the messiah and saved us from cynicism! Maybe we need another card, or a book, or a tick, or a bin, or a committee, or a committee to hear appeals from that committee. Please someone introduce something!
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twohands!!!

Quote from: muppet on April 02, 2015, 05:56:35 PM
Last year we were told that the high scoring seen in the League was all down to the Black Card and thus proved its success.

This year we still have the magnificent Black Card, but somehow we have muck. How can this be? Surely the Black Card was the messiah and saved us from cynicism! Maybe we need another card, or a book, or a tick, or a bin, or a committee, or a committee to hear appeals from that committee. Please someone introduce something!

Simple - scoring would be even lower if there weren't a black card.

muppet

Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 02, 2015, 05:56:35 PM
Last year we were told that the high scoring seen in the League was all down to the Black Card and thus proved its success.

This year we still have the magnificent Black Card, but somehow we have muck. How can this be? Surely the Black Card was the messiah and saved us from cynicism! Maybe we need another card, or a book, or a tick, or a bin, or a committee, or a committee to hear appeals from that committee. Please someone introduce something!

Simple - scoring would be even lower if there weren't a black card.

If high scoring 'proved' its success, then it can't have it cake and eat it with horrible low scoring this year:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/1002/649559-stats/
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dublin7

Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2015, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 02, 2015, 05:56:35 PM
Last year we were told that the high scoring seen in the League was all down to the Black Card and thus proved its success.

This year we still have the magnificent Black Card, but somehow we have muck. How can this be? Surely the Black Card was the messiah and saved us from cynicism! Maybe we need another card, or a book, or a tick, or a bin, or a committee, or a committee to hear appeals from that committee. Please someone introduce something!

Simple - scoring would be even lower if there weren't a black card.

If high scoring 'proved' its success, then it can't have it cake and eat it with horrible low scoring this year:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/1002/649559-stats/

With more & more teams adopting the blanket defence scores were bound drop.  Black card can't do anything about that, I would say it would be even lower without the black card

BennyHarp

Quote from: dublin7 on April 03, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2015, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 02, 2015, 05:56:35 PM
Last year we were told that the high scoring seen in the League was all down to the Black Card and thus proved its success.

This year we still have the magnificent Black Card, but somehow we have muck. How can this be? Surely the Black Card was the messiah and saved us from cynicism! Maybe we need another card, or a book, or a tick, or a bin, or a committee, or a committee to hear appeals from that committee. Please someone introduce something!

Simple - scoring would be even lower if there weren't a black card.

If high scoring 'proved' its success, then it can't have it cake and eat it with horrible low scoring this year:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/1002/649559-stats/

With more & more teams adopting the blanket defence scores were bound drop.  Black card can't do anything about that, I would say it would be even lower without the black card

Maybe the black card is part of the reason why more and more teams are adopting the blanket defence?
That was never a square ball!!

Rossfan

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2015, 09:27:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 03, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2015, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 02, 2015, 05:56:35 PM
Last year we were told that the high scoring seen in the League was all down to the Black Card and thus proved its success.

This year we still have the magnificent Black Card, but somehow we have muck. How can this be? Surely the Black Card was the messiah and saved us from cynicism! Maybe we need another card, or a book, or a tick, or a bin, or a committee, or a committee to hear appeals from that committee. Please someone introduce something!

Simple - scoring would be even lower if there weren't a black card.

If high scoring 'proved' its success, then it can't have it cake and eat it with horrible low scoring this year:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/1002/649559-stats/

With more & more teams adopting the blanket defence scores were bound drop.  Black card can't do anything about that, I would say it would be even lower without the black card

Maybe the black card is part of the reason why more and more teams are adopting the blanket defence?
hmmmm...... do we simply go back to non stop fouling and giving frees so??
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