Tailteann Cup 2023 - Rules from GAA Master Fixtures List

[imtommygunn]

I think that the tailteann cup is a great tournament. I'd take winning it over promotion though would prefer both mind you.

There are teams who are just in a place where they won't be competing for provincial or AI honours. Cavan won ulster not that long ago so probably have aspirations of being competitive in sam though for whatever reason were way off this year. Fermanagh wouldn't be at that level. Tbh the two of them really seemed to drop off after the league - and that included in the provincial. Cavan dropped off the last few games too in the league.

[gallsman]

GAA found the Laois FF worthy of a place in the Tailteann Team of the Week.

[tintin25]

Perhaps should have worded my previous post differently.  For likes of Fermanagh I just think the immediate aim should be to try and establish themselves as a top 16 team and obviously being in Division 2 is where you need to be - 7 competitive games that should bring players on no end.  Being in Division 2 won't gaurantee promotion but your still getting good quality opposition to bring you on further.  In an ideal world you'd get promotion and win the Tailteann but I think some teams are putting more effort into promotion and have feck all left in the tank come the Tailteann.

[Milltown Row2]

To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.

You also get promoted to the All Ireland series should you win it too, the snobbery around football is crazy, people either living in a fantasy or living off past glories.

Progression through the leagues should be the other avenue to play with the big boys, until your county can achieve that then play the level you're at! 

[Laoiseabu]

Freak results can happen and Longford have had many a pasting over the years.
Small county and limited resources etc etc

But Laois should not be in this position. Should be as good as Kildare and Westmeath.

Yesterday Laois were a disgrace. Longford went toe-to-toe with Down a few weeks ago in Newry and were there challenging until the last 10 mins.

But why should we be as good as Kildare ? Kildares trajectory is a lot closer to Dublins level than Laois level . Kildare have a much higher ceiling than Laois .Kildare are a big predominantly footballing county on the outskirts of Dublin with over 3 times the population of county Laois . We here in Laois are a small county split 50/50 between both hurling and football . The county is split with the south and the west all hurling and the north and the east is all football . We then have Portlaoise right in the centre with almost 30,000 people ( which is one third of the entire population of county Laois ) . We have just ONE dual club in Portlaoise catering for the entire population of the town. Parts of the town have no exposure to Gaelic games at all . Interest in GAA in the town is at an all time low and Portlaoise are not winning anything at underage anymore in both football and hurling despite the massive pick they have compared to other Laois clubs . It's actually so laughable that there is only one club in Portlaoise and then there is two clubs in the village Arles. Underage football in Laois at the moment is mostly being dominated by Portarlington and two rural clubs called St Joseph's and Ballyroan Abbey

[Lazer]

To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.

Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.

No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either

The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.

The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.

The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.

[yellowcard]

To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.

Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.

No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either

The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.

The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.

The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.

Total nonsense. They are playing to lift silverware in Croke Park in mid summer. By using that logic then the same applies to the winner of every junior and intermediate club championship up and down the country every season. If some of the 'top counties' don't want to be in it then by virtue of the fact that they aren't in the Sam Maguire, then they aren't actually a 'top county'. If they think they are too good for it then it boils down to having over inflated notions about themselves.   

[Milltown Row2]

So why not just go back to the old way, provincial winners through to the semis and be done with this aul carry on of games that are fecking meaningless. People would have less to fork out every weekend and clubs will have their county players longer, the club games would have more bite to them and be better attended

[statto]

Don't think we need a third tier just because Laois aren't pulling their weight at the minute. Don't know why this management team was kept in place. Things can improve for Laois quickly if the right people get stuck in.

If anything Down and probably Meath are showing that they shouldn't be in the TC in all honesty. Also bringing third placed teams out of the group have resulted in poor teams getting further than they should.

Down were on the ropes against longford in newry and if longford had taken their goal chances would probably be out.  They will probably win the TC but before Laverty took the job any thoughts of them being in AI series would have been laughed at by the majority of their supporters.  They would have been underdogs in last round and failed to get out of division 3 so they are at the right level for the moment.  They have tradition and a group of players accustomed to winning at club level along with a good u20 team so should be competitive at higher level over next few years.

[imtommygunn]

If Meath shouldn't be in it they'd have beat antrim well and they didn't. Down couldn't get promoted and should be in it too.

Down should push on with that management team. Meath have had enough underage that they should push on a bit but I am not convinced they have the right management to do that. They are probably in a get pride back in the jersey stage.

[Lazer]

To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.

Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.

No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either

The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.

The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.

The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.

Total nonsense. They are playing to lift silverware in Croke Park in mid summer. By using that logic then the same applies to the winner of every junior and intermediate club championship up and down the country every season. If some of the 'top counties' don't want to be in it then by virtue of the fact that they aren't in the Sam Maguire, then they aren't actually a 'top county'. If they think they are too good for it then it boils down to having over inflated notions about themselves.

Why don't you ask the players why they are playing it?

Down manager said after the game on Sunday that he would trade it to be in the All Ireland..they have no interest in the Tailteann.

They don't care about the silverware, they care about the guaranteed AI spot.

All the messing with structures has removed the excitement from the championship. It was great when an an underdog county could get an unexpected win and finish up in the semi final or whatever, it was exciting, every county played to the best of their ability in every game, anything was possible, it's not anymore with the tier 2, round Robins, super 8's or whatever else is dreamed up.

The league is for playing teams at your own level, the Cup is for knock out games and the chance to play (and maybe beat) teams far higher in the league than you.

[yellowcard]

To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.

Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.

No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either

The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.

The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.

The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.

Total nonsense. They are playing to lift silverware in Croke Park in mid summer. By using that logic then the same applies to the winner of every junior and intermediate club championship up and down the country every season. If some of the 'top counties' don't want to be in it then by virtue of the fact that they aren't in the Sam Maguire, then they aren't actually a 'top county'. If they think they are too good for it then it boils down to having over inflated notions about themselves.

Why don't you ask the players why they are playing it?

Down manager said after the game on Sunday that he would trade it to be in the All Ireland..they have no interest in the Tailteann.

They don't care about the silverware, they care about the guaranteed AI spot.

All the messing with structures has removed the excitement from the championship. It was great when an an underdog county could get an unexpected win and finish up in the semi final or whatever, it was exciting, every county played to the best of their ability in every game, anything was possible, it's not anymore with the tier 2, round Robins, super 8's or whatever else is dreamed up.

The league is for playing teams at your own level, the Cup is for knock out games and the chance to play (and maybe beat) teams far higher in the league than you.

I didn't hear Lavertys interview but I've no doubt that some supporters within Down and Meath might have that attitude. But it's borne out of snobbishness and the idea that you think you are better than you actually are. However I don't believe for one second that any Down or Meath player will celebrate the success because of entry into a competition that they have little chance of winning next season over and above the actual trophy itself that they are just after winning.   

[Aristo 60]

To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.

Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.

No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either

The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.

The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.

The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.

Total nonsense. They are playing to lift silverware in Croke Park in mid summer. By using that logic then the same applies to the winner of every junior and intermediate club championship up and down the country every season. If some of the 'top counties' don't want to be in it then by virtue of the fact that they aren't in the Sam Maguire, then they aren't actually a 'top county'. If they think they are too good for it then it boils down to having over inflated notions about themselves.

Why don't you ask the players why they are playing it?

Down manager said after the game on Sunday that he would trade it to be in the All Ireland..they have no interest in the Tailteann.

They don't care about the silverware, they care about the guaranteed AI spot.

All the messing with structures has removed the excitement from the championship. It was great when an an underdog county could get an unexpected win and finish up in the semi final or whatever, it was exciting, every county played to the best of their ability in every game, anything was possible, it's not anymore with the tier 2, round Robins, super 8's or whatever else is dreamed up.

The league is for playing teams at your own level, the Cup is for knock out games and the chance to play (and maybe beat) teams far higher in the league than you.

My thoughts exactly

[bcarrier23]

They could make the Tailteann Cup and the round robins a bit more interesting by having the finalists go back into the all ireland at preliminary QF stage (as the Joe McDonagh cup operates). Would mean that six rather than four get eliminated   from the top 16 round robin putting a bit more jeopardy into that round of fixtures. I know the Joe McDonaghs finalists got pounded but Westmeath did well this year as  a Tailteann graduate and I think Down and Meath are both coming teams.

[imtommygunn]

They couldn't do it in time with the teams in their own provincial series I would have thought. No such problem for the hurling.