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Title: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: seafoid on March 28, 2017, 05:02:06 PM
Nobody seems to want to play them in the Division 1 final. 35 games in a row.
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Post by: Rossfan on March 28, 2017, 06:36:05 PM
Can we have an Intermediate AI championship straight away please?
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Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 28, 2017, 06:41:17 PM
It would be a major shock if they didn't.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: seafoid on March 28, 2017, 07:08:22 PM
It would be a major shock if they didn't.
Donegal stopped the bid in 2014. It can be done
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Post by: Syferus on March 28, 2017, 07:08:58 PM
The real question is can anyone stop the five in a row.
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Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 28, 2017, 07:21:12 PM
It would be a major shock if they didn't.
Donegal stopped the bid in 2014. It can be done

And that was a major shock. It took a tactical masterclass, top class performances from Durcan and McHugh and a bit of luck for that to happen though. Mayo last year didn't have the luck or a fair referee but it would have been a greater shock considering their lack of form.
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Post by: mrdeeds on March 28, 2017, 07:22:34 PM
Yes. Next question.
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Post by: moysider on March 28, 2017, 11:18:19 PM
Yes.
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Post by: From the Bunker on March 28, 2017, 11:38:09 PM
And 4 in a row when the Super 8 kicks in!
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Post by: Farrandeelin on March 29, 2017, 06:59:23 AM
They'll do the 10 in a row.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: ballinaman on March 29, 2017, 08:40:20 AM
Will Dubs actually stop going to watch games is a better question. Attendances in parkhead this year remain high even though basically guaranteed to win every match. When Rangers did 9 leagues in a row in 90s, what were gates like?
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Post by: sid waddell on March 29, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Will Dubs actually stop going to watch games is a better question. Attendances in parkhead this year remain high even though basically guaranteed to win every match. When Rangers did 9 leagues in a row in 90s, what were gates like?
Depends who the matches are against, but from my own point of view, the answer is an emphatic "yes".

Outside of Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal or at a push, Monaghan (away only), there's little point in attending at the moment as you won't see any competitive action.
 
The only reason you'd go would be for the beer.

Wexford in Wexford will be the only Leinster match worth attending this year just for the day out factor.

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Post by: Fuzzman on March 29, 2017, 09:48:01 AM
A serious question.
If all the other counties were peeved off with the amount of money Dublin were getting and proposed a motion to play the AI without the Dubs, could this motion be passed or would it get thrown out?
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on March 29, 2017, 10:13:05 AM
Will Dubs actually stop going to watch games is a better question. Attendances in parkhead this year remain high even though basically guaranteed to win every match. When Rangers did 9 leagues in a row in 90s, what were gates like?
Depends who the matches are against, but from my own point of view, the answer is an emphatic "yes".

Outside of Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal or at a push, Monaghan (away only), there's little point in attending at the moment as you won't see any competitive action.
 
The only reason you'd go would be for the beer.

Wexford in Wexford will be the only Leinster match worth attending this year just for the day out factor.

Don't rule out a trip to Carlow. Last Sunday could set Wexford back, we'll see how much they can pick it up for the league final, and Carlow are able to bring a one off performance on the big day.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: AZOffaly on March 29, 2017, 10:20:39 AM
A serious question.
If all the other counties were peeved off with the amount of money Dublin were getting and proposed a motion to play the AI without the Dubs, could this motion be passed or would it get thrown out?

Sure the Dubs don't steal the money! It's the 'other counties' who are supporting the grants etc, to the Dubs. It would be a bit hypocritical to throw them out of the All Ireland!
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Post by: Jinxy on March 29, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
A serious question.
If all the other counties were peeved off with the amount of money Dublin were getting and proposed a motion to play the AI without the Dubs, could this motion be passed or would it get thrown out?

They'd never let us use their stadium for the final though.
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Post by: Fuzzman on March 29, 2017, 11:17:59 AM
We could move it to the real capital and their new stadium.

Serioulsy, Imagine how it would reinvigorate the Leinster championship and how Mayo could finally win Sam.
The Dubs are the problem here and taking them out of the equation would also remove the need for the blanket defence and we'd all get our game back.

I was gonna bring my kids to the Dubs v Rossie match on Sat night but my eldest said nah it will be all over after 15 mins and be boring.
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Post by: Jinxy on March 29, 2017, 11:22:19 AM
We could move it to the real capital and their new stadium.

Serioulsy, Imagine how it would reinvigorate the Leinster championship and how Mayo could finally win Sam.
The Dubs are the problem here and taking them out of the equation would also remove the need for the blanket defence and we'd all get our game back.

I was gonna bring my kids to the Dubs v Rossie match on Sat night but my eldest said nah it will be all over after 15 mins and be boring.

 ;D
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Post by: heffo on March 29, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
A serious question.
If all the other counties were peeved off with the amount of money Dublin were getting and proposed a motion to play the AI without the Dubs, could this motion be passed or would it get thrown out?

Sure the Dubs don't steal the money! It's the 'other counties' who are supporting the grants etc, to the Dubs. It would be a bit hypocritical to throw them out of the All Ireland!

Will the Nordies be giving back the 4 z AI's that coincided with the 120m slush fund from the British govt?
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: moysider on March 29, 2017, 02:31:28 PM

Wouldn't be an AI without them. It would mean more to lose to them than win an AI without them.
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Post by: Fuzzman on March 29, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
We'll be giving back nothing but cheek
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Post by: mup on March 29, 2017, 04:21:02 PM
A serious question.
If all the other counties were peeved off with the amount of money Dublin were getting and proposed a motion to play the AI without the Dubs, could this motion be passed or would it get thrown out?

You think the GAA would allow such a motion? Their biggest project after Croke Park?

Not a chance.
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Post by: Fuzzman on March 29, 2017, 04:27:45 PM
That's what I'm asking is it possible or are there structures in place to stop it happening?
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Post by: tonto1888 on March 29, 2017, 08:00:41 PM
We could move it to the real capital and their new stadium.

Serioulsy, Imagine how it would reinvigorate the Leinster championship and how Mayo could finally win Sam.
The Dubs are the problem here and taking them out of the equation would also remove the need for the blanket defence and we'd all get our game back.

I was gonna bring my kids to the Dubs v Rossie match on Sat night but my eldest said nah it will be all over after 15 mins and be boring.

Pretty sure the blanket defence was brought in before this current Dublin team got goong. Around 2003 I think actually
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 29, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
Will Dubs actually stop going to watch games is a better question. Attendances in parkhead this year remain high even though basically guaranteed to win every match. When Rangers did 9 leagues in a row in 90s, what were gates like?

Pretty terrible until Parkhead was redeveloped.
http://www.fitbastats.com/celtic/club_records_league_attendance.php
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Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2017, 02:23:53 PM
2 good articles

https://aib.ie/gaa/blog/2017/04/padraic_joyce_give_me_analysis_over_opinion_any_day
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-for-how-long-can-dubs-rely-on-their-leaders-35624213.html
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Post by: macdanger2 on April 16, 2017, 12:10:19 AM
A serious question.
If all the other counties were peeved off with the amount of money Dublin were getting and proposed a motion to play the AI without the Dubs, could this motion be passed or would it get thrown out?

They'd never let us use their stadium for the final though.

Lovely stadium in Limerick that doesn't get much use
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: INDIANA on April 16, 2017, 10:15:41 AM
That's what I'm asking is it possible or are there structures in place to stop it happening?

Tyrone should be omitted from the championship as they are currently the most boring team to watch.

They aren't even good enough to play puke football anymore.

Difficult times ahead for Tyrone. I feel for you.

Chin up kid.
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Post by: yellowcard on April 16, 2017, 01:31:27 PM
Can't see the Dubs winning 3 in a row. They have the best side but mental tiredness and a lack of hunger will desert them in the latter stages. Very hard to keep going to the well and most of their best players have their best days behind them.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: seafoid on April 16, 2017, 01:43:42 PM
Can't see the Dubs winning 3 in a row. They have the best side but mental tiredness and a lack of hunger will desert them in the latter stages. Very hard to keep going to the well and most of their best players have their best days behind them.
Cluxton made his debut in 2001. Jaysus
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Post by: From the Bunker on April 16, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
Can't see the Dubs winning 3 in a row. They have the best side but mental tiredness and a lack of hunger will desert them in the latter stages. Very hard to keep going to the well and most of their best players have their best days behind them.
Cluxton made his debut in 2001. Jaysus

You are clutching at straws if you think Cluxton is going anywhere soon. He'll be the Dino Zoff of Dublin football.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on April 16, 2017, 03:24:58 PM
Only been 4 Dublin keepers in the championship since the 70's.   We don't like too much change at that position.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Fuzzman on April 17, 2017, 07:10:39 PM
Sure the Dubs can play their B team until August like they did in the league. Connolly and Co only need to play a few games in August and September.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 17, 2017, 08:40:43 PM
Sure the Dubs can play their B team until August like they did in the league. Connolly and Co only need to play a few games in August and September.
I highly doubt Dublin management are going to have their key players rusty going into highly competitive games in August and September.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Syferus on April 17, 2017, 08:45:10 PM
Sure the Dubs can play their B team until August like they did in the league. Connolly and Co only need to play a few games in August and September.
I highly doubt Dublin management are going to have their key players rusty going into highly competitive games in August and September.

Beating Longford by 20 points won't take the rust off any player.

Toughest matches they'll see before late August or even the third Sunday in September will be in AvB games. Beyond players attaching prestige to starting for their county and kicking up a fuss Gavin could do exactly what Fuzzman suggests and be just fine.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 17, 2017, 09:27:12 PM
Sure the Dubs can play their B team until August like they did in the league. Connolly and Co only need to play a few games in August and September.
I highly doubt Dublin management are going to have their key players rusty going into highly competitive games in August and September.

Beating Longford by 20 points won't take the rust off any player.

Toughest matches they'll see before late August or even the third Sunday in September will be in AvB games. Beyond players attaching prestige to starting for their county and kicking up a fuss Gavin could so exactly what Fuzzman suggests and be just fine.

The only teams Dublin beat by 20 points are the ones that give up after 15 minutes because they know they are horrific defensively.
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Post by: Beffs on April 17, 2017, 09:37:01 PM
The ritual killing of the Leinster lambs to the slaughter may just do them some good this year, for a change. Their forwards just aren't firing and, it's a bit late in the year to not have a settled line up. Against Kerry, they looked quite leggy and Gavin almost looked out of ideas, to an extent.
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Post by: Syferus on April 17, 2017, 10:19:45 PM
Sure the Dubs can play their B team until August like they did in the league. Connolly and Co only need to play a few games in August and September.
I highly doubt Dublin management are going to have their key players rusty going into highly competitive games in August and September.

Beating Longford by 20 points won't take the rust off any player.

Toughest matches they'll see before late August or even the third Sunday in September will be in AvB games. Beyond players attaching prestige to starting for their county and kicking up a fuss Gavin could so exactly what Fuzzman suggests and be just fine.

The only teams Dublin beat by 20 points are the ones that give up after 15 minutes because they know they are horrific defensively.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0531/704996-dublin-longford/
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Post by: Rossfan on April 17, 2017, 10:50:23 PM
The ritual killing of the Leinster lambs to the slaughter may just do them some good this year, for a change. Their forwards just aren't firing and, it's a bit late in the year to not have a settled line up. Against Kerry, they looked quite leggy and Gavin almost looked out of ideas, to an extent.

Syfīn predicted Dublin would "hockey" Kerry in the League Final.
Now he thinks Dublin won't get a serious game till the AI Final.
Be very afraid Jim Gavin.....
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Post by: From the Bunker on April 17, 2017, 11:03:00 PM
Only been 4 Dublin keepers in the championship since the 70's.   We don't like too much change at that position.

Mayo have had half that amount in last years AI Final!  ;D
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Syferus on April 17, 2017, 11:37:11 PM
Only been 4 Dublin keepers in the championship since the 70's.   We don't like too much change at that position.

Mayo have had half that amount in last years AI Final!  ;D

What's this craic about Rochford keeping Kirby but dropping Gibbons about, Bunker? Seems like it's out of the Hennelly for Clarke playbook..
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 17, 2017, 11:52:56 PM
Sure the Dubs can play their B team until August like they did in the league. Connolly and Co only need to play a few games in August and September.
I highly doubt Dublin management are going to have their key players rusty going into highly competitive games in August and September.

Beating Longford by 20 points won't take the rust off any player.

Toughest matches they'll see before late August or even the third Sunday in September will be in AvB games. Beyond players attaching prestige to starting for their county and kicking up a fuss Gavin could so exactly what Fuzzman suggests and be just fine.

The only teams Dublin beat by 20 points are the ones that give up after 15 minutes because they know they are horrific defensively.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0531/704996-dublin-longford/
A link to go along with point I was making.  Good point by Beffs I might add also.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Rossfan on April 21, 2017, 11:24:11 AM
Have we another dose of media manipulation?
Diarmuid Connolly interviewed and plastered all over the place.
"I'm a nice chap really" or in other words "Refs  please stop picking on me"
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Post by: Greenabovethered on April 21, 2017, 12:40:40 PM
Have we another dose of media manipulation?
Diarmuid Connolly interviewed and plastered all over the place.
"I'm a nice chap really" or in other words "Refs  please stop picking on me"

The cash rich Dublin GAA PR machine in full flow. Irish Times, Irish Independent and Examiner.
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Post by: Syferus on April 21, 2017, 12:56:32 PM
Have we another dose of media manipulation?
Diarmuid Connolly interviewed and plastered all over the place.
"I'm a nice chap really" or in other words "Refs  please stop picking on me"

The cash rich Dublin GAA PR machine in full flow. Irish Times, Irish Independent and Examiner.

You don't need to pay journos to write about Dublin player interviews..
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: AZOffaly on April 21, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
Have we another dose of media manipulation?
Diarmuid Connolly interviewed and plastered all over the place.
"I'm a nice chap really" or in other words "Refs  please stop picking on me"

The cash rich Dublin GAA PR machine in full flow. Irish Times, Irish Independent and Examiner.

In fairness De Paper is hardly a Dublin media organ.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Greenabovethered on April 21, 2017, 01:11:11 PM
Have we another dose of media manipulation?
Diarmuid Connolly interviewed and plastered all over the place.
"I'm a nice chap really" or in other words "Refs  please stop picking on me"

The cash rich Dublin GAA PR machine in full flow. Irish Times, Irish Independent and Examiner.

In fairness De Paper is hardly a Dublin media organ.

Don't be so naïve, Dublin GAA have all these journalists on a short leash. They do what they're told.
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 21, 2017, 01:13:39 PM
Naive? Moi? I'm the most cynical fecker you could meet :)
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Post by: Syferus on April 21, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
Naive? Moi? I'm the most cynical fecker you could meet :)

Tyrone.
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Post by: Rossfan on April 21, 2017, 01:29:23 PM
Have we another dose of media manipulation?
Diarmuid Connolly interviewed and plastered all over the place.
"I'm a nice chap really" or in other words "Refs  please stop picking on me"

The cash rich Dublin GAA PR machine in full flow. Irish Times, Irish Independent and Examiner.
And Morrissey on RTÉ  TV yesterday evening
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: moysider on April 22, 2017, 01:17:03 AM
Only been 4 Dublin keepers in the championship since the 70's.   We don't like too much change at that position.

Unbelievable stat. really.

I only remember 3 or 4 Dub. 'keepers since 1974 in Championship. Paddy Cullen (and he possibly was around a lot earlier) Mick Kennedy (briefly), O'Leary and Cluxton. Who am I forgetting? Are you including the 70's Jell? Like since the 70s is 1980?
Anyway it is some doing.
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Post by: Gael85 on April 22, 2017, 09:52:03 AM
Only been 4 Dublin keepers in the championship since the 70's.   We don't like too much change at that position.

Unbelievable stat. really.

I only remember 3 or 4 Dub. 'keepers since 1974 in Championship. Paddy Cullen (and he possibly was around a lot earlier) Mick Kennedy (briefly), O'Leary and Cluxton. Who am I forgetting? Are you including the 70's Jell? Like since the 70s is 1980?
Anyway it is some doing.

Davy Byrne played in goal 98-01. Brian Murphy who played with minor with Kerry played 2 championship games in 03/04 when Cluxton was sent off/suspended
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Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on April 22, 2017, 04:49:31 PM
Only been 4 Dublin keepers in the championship since the 70's.   We don't like too much change at that position.

Unbelievable stat. really.

I only remember 3 or 4 Dub. 'keepers since 1974 in Championship. Paddy Cullen (and he possibly was around a lot earlier) Mick Kennedy (briefly), O'Leary and Cluxton. Who am I forgetting? Are you including the 70's Jell? Like since the 70s is 1980?
Anyway it is some doing.

I was counting from towards the end of Cullen's era, Moysider, say late 70's.  I had Cullen, O' Leary, Davy Byrne and Cluxton.

I'd forgotten about Brian Murphy, Gael.  That pushes it up to 5.  We're more fickle than I thought.
Title: Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
Post by: Syferus on April 22, 2017, 05:18:32 PM
~672,500 human males to chose from makes finding a good one a bit easier in fairness.
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Post by: thejuice on April 22, 2017, 06:40:21 PM
I don't think the Dubs only pick humans.