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« Reply #10425 on: October 10, 2017, 02:21:56 PM »
Trump should start with Budweiser. I think putting a flag on a beer can is more disrespectful that taking a knee during an anthem. But it's not really about that of course. It's about what they're protesting for except they can't or won't come out and say that.

Not just the flag.

Their products, at least in the US, now have “America” on one side of the bottle/can, in the same font and size as the word “Budweiser”.




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« Reply #10426 on: October 10, 2017, 02:23:32 PM »
Is that ongoing J70? I thought that was a July 4th thing.

They should have 'Piss' written on them.

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« Reply #10427 on: October 10, 2017, 02:28:46 PM »
Is that ongoing J70? I thought that was a July 4th thing.

They should have 'Piss' written on them.

They were still on them a few weeks ago (last time I saw a case in the supermarket).

Even if I drank Budweiser (why would anyone drink shitty American beer like Budweiser or Coors or Miller with the multitude of craft and decent foreign brews available?) I would boycott it on principle for such a cynical, self serving campaign.

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« Reply #10428 on: October 10, 2017, 02:32:45 PM »
AZ, fair enough. We were ships in the night - my having arrived here in O2.

Older veterans have long been wearing their WW2, Korea, Vietnam hats and tee shirts with their regiment/platoon and tour years on them. I can’t and won’t speak for when that started, but I’ll certainly ask a few of them if they were thanked/ if they think this component was campaign based.

I’ll agree 100% on one thing - the veterans care system is beyond disgraceful. Even if the campaign you and others have suggested is completely true, the actual neglect of these men and women is a shame. Everyone knows it and perhaps it’s another reason why people say thank you. The know they’re getting rode every which way they can by the government they served.

I’m not overly surprised to read that you wouldn’t say thanks - and I don’t mean that in a personal disparaging way. It’s not Irish culture to do so or think that way about the military of any country, America included. It’s definitely American thing and being directly in the middle of it - I’ve zero problems with it. Costs me nothing, and I genuinely mean it when I say it.

I’m also not overly surprised to read joes comments either, but that’s because he’s a cynic.
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« Reply #10429 on: October 10, 2017, 02:51:19 PM »
The older guys have always been proud of their service, and wear those patches with pride. I wasn't saying that the veterans themselves were ashamed or anything, nor was I suggesting they should be. However I would be more than surprised if any of those old timers were thanked for their service until the mid 00s. It wasn't even 'a thing' when I was there.

I know that Vietnam vets, for example, were treated as if they were lepers when they came back. Far from being 'thanked' for their service, they were almost shunned in a lot of cases.

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« Reply #10430 on: October 10, 2017, 06:29:32 PM »
Nothing to do with the men and women who serve but I don't get thanking them for their service. They are not protecting any American's freedom, if that's even under threat and you want to thank someone then thank their nuclear arsenal, while they have that they won't be invaded by any force on this planet!

It's been a long time since America faced anyone on an equal footing and as far as I can see their military has brought a lot of unnecessary death and destruction to many innocent people for little more than maintaining their geo-political power. World geo-politics isn't a simple situation and many poor people are forced to join the US army due to limited alternatives but while I wouldn't disrespect them I can't see why you'd feel the need to thank them.

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« Reply #10431 on: October 10, 2017, 07:34:48 PM »
How's indigenous peoples day going for u Eamon ?

I went to work. We don't get that holiday, but public sector people do!

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« Reply #10432 on: October 10, 2017, 07:38:34 PM »
Is that ongoing J70? I thought that was a July 4th thing.

They should have 'Piss' written on them.

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« Reply #10433 on: October 10, 2017, 08:06:29 PM »
Mike Ditka on the anthem protests

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20981484/mike-ditka-claims-no-oppression-last-100-years

"All of a sudden, it's become a big deal now, about oppression," Ditka said. "There has been no oppression in the last 100 years that I know of. Now maybe I'm not watching it as carefully as other people."

That's a special kind of dumb right there.

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« Reply #10434 on: October 10, 2017, 08:36:22 PM »
The NYT is very interesting these days.
David Brooks had a super article on Saturday.

"The US needs "some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Théodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cuktures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster nut draws from both worlds to create a new social vision progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before. "

The UK needs the same to overcome leave/remain
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« Reply #10435 on: October 10, 2017, 11:58:58 PM »
Nothing to do with the men and women who serve but I don't get thanking them for their service. They are not protecting any American's freedom, if that's even under threat and you want to thank someone then thank their nuclear arsenal, while they have that they won't be invaded by any force on this planet!

It's been a long time since America faced anyone on an equal footing and as far as I can see their military has brought a lot of unnecessary death and destruction to many innocent people for little more than maintaining their geo-political power. World geo-politics isn't a simple situation and many poor people are forced to join the US army due to limited alternatives but while I wouldn't disrespect them I can't see why you'd feel the need to thank them.

I dont know if you live here or not, so you may have a different perspective if you dont.

From my recollection the whole “thanks for your service” crack started after 9/11.....I think it was probably started by Fox News.

When you say you dont get it....do you mean you dont get it why Americans do it?

First of all pretty much everyone knows someone who either was in, or is in the armed forces.

Most would know well or be related to someone who fought or is fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan.

They would know or be related to someone someone who was either injured or killed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

They would have an immediate family member.....dad, grandad, uncle grand uncle who fought in WWII, Korea or Vietnam. 

The military has a much more prominent place in the everyday lives of Americans than the Irish Army or British Army would have in their respective societies

You are (possibly) viewing the whole “thanks for your service” craic through a different lens than everyday folks in the States

In the same way there

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« Reply #10436 on: October 11, 2017, 12:12:06 AM »
The NYT is very interesting these days.
David Brooks had a super article on Saturday.

"The US needs "some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Théodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cuktures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster nut draws from both worlds to create a new social vision progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before. "

The UK needs the same to overcome leave/remain
project veritas have some new videos coming out tonight about the nyt and its links to antifa.
Also the elites in Hollywood have a lot to answer for keeping Harvey Weinstein shielded for thirty years
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« Reply #10437 on: October 11, 2017, 08:54:45 AM »
I see the Hollywood elite are being very coy about Harveygate! No surprise there then,  Ben Affleck has been called a liar when he tried to slither away as has his brother Casey, a known harasser of women.

Clinton is scampering like te rodent she is, she waited five days to see if it would die down ad when it did not the champion of women finally flapped her gums and is 'appalled '  at her campaign contributor and friend.

Hollywood is full of liberal elitist scum, they are reviled in many parts of the USA and for good reason, I hope these women get justice and that this blows the lid off that world and that republican and democrat offenders alike get outed, charged and if guilty do time.
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« Reply #10438 on: October 11, 2017, 11:48:58 AM »
Mike Ditka on the anthem protests

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20981484/mike-ditka-claims-no-oppression-last-100-years

"All of a sudden, it's become a big deal now, about oppression," Ditka said. "There has been no oppression in the last 100 years that I know of. Now maybe I'm not watching it as carefully as other people."

That's a special kind of dumb right there.

Yep, Ditka is not known for his intelligent, thoughtful or informed political views.

Not sure he as dumb as the embarrassingly stupid Curt Schilling, but that’s not saying much!
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« Reply #10439 on: October 11, 2017, 11:53:47 AM »
The NYT is very interesting these days.
David Brooks had a super article on Saturday.

"The US needs "some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Théodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cuktures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster nut draws from both worlds to create a new social vision progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before. "

The UK needs the same to overcome leave/remain
project veritas have some new videos coming out tonight about the nyt and its links to antifa.
Also the elites in Hollywood have a lot to answer for keeping Harvey Weinstein shielded for thirty years
Rotten to the core

Oh great, O’Keefe again.

What “bombshell” will drop this time? ;D

And yeah, “elites” all over cover for each other. It’s about power and lawyers. Whether it’s Hollywood or Fox News. Or the NY DA not pursuing powerful people whether it’s Weinstein or Trump’s kids falsely inflated property values and sales to attract buyers.