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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #10410 on: October 09, 2017, 10:57:00 PM »
I'm not doubting that a lot of people have friends and family in the military and they think of the troops in a certain way. But I suspect that the vast majority of the people who worship the military gods have no such connection and they do so because of a culture that is at least in part manufactured.

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« Reply #10411 on: October 09, 2017, 11:06:41 PM »
Many people have an affinity for the military due the incredible service given by immediate family members.  Their fathers fought in Vietnam, their grandfathers fought in Korea and their great grandfathers fought in WWII.....war is real and relevant to a lot of Americans.

Every town has numerous war memorials and annula Veterns Day and Memorial Day services and parades.

Respect for the flag is intertwined with respect for the military....whether that still holds true is up for debate. Trump is trying to copperfasten and exploit that respect, but I dont think its working

What I actually find offensive is NFL teams and their billionaire owners taking money from the DOD to stage faux patriotic displays. 


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« Reply #10412 on: October 09, 2017, 11:25:14 PM »
Not having a go here Puck but I knew a few Army men and played on the same team as them when I lived in Dublin. They’d have taken some look at you for thanking them for their service!

It’s a cultural thing and is more ingrained in the US than other Countries but Congress and the military need the support to keep the machine going!!

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« Reply #10413 on: October 09, 2017, 11:43:27 PM »
Not having a go here Puck but I knew a few Army men and played on the same team as them when I lived in Dublin. They’d have taken some look at you for thanking them for their service!

It’s a cultural thing and is more ingrained in the US than other Countries but Congress and the military need the support to keep the machine going!!

Exactly. When I lived in England I found that people didn't have a very high opinion of anyone who'd been in the army, it's not seen as a prestigious career choice. You wouldn't be seen dead walking up to one of those squaddies and saying "thank you for your service, you're a hero."

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« Reply #10414 on: October 09, 2017, 11:53:20 PM »
It's no skin of my nose Screen - but comparing Dublin and UK military based folks is not the same thing! Clearly (and I am sure you know this Eamonn), British culture and American Culture wouldn't come close to comparison "in that sort of thing". FFS they're only a few years removed from shagging with the lights off.

Whitey's first paragraph below sums it up perfectly - in regards to America (before I get any more correlations to the English, Eammon!).

Actually, I'm not done. Who said it was prestigious? It's a service. It's considerably more of a service than the taxi driver or the barista. Folks still say thank you to those people too.
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« Reply #10415 on: October 10, 2017, 12:27:08 AM »
This is precisely my point. The increasingly militaristic culture of the US is way out of step with the rest of the developed world. If they had a decent amount of war on their own turf in recent memory then I think their attitude would be different. From my point of view all this gun-toting patriotism is like how Europe looked in the run-up to the First World War. I find it ominous.

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« Reply #10416 on: October 10, 2017, 01:20:34 AM »
How's indigenous peoples day going for u Eamon ?

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« Reply #10417 on: October 10, 2017, 01:37:57 AM »
Strange that given the furore over costs of private flights, no one in the administration thought about the cost of Pence's publicity stunt to the public purse.

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« Reply #10418 on: October 10, 2017, 04:48:04 AM »
I have to say I do a fair bit of eye rolling and muttering under my breath at the fawning over the military in America and actually a wee bit of anger at the way I feel Im expected to join in and it all done in front of kids as well. And what the feck is this freedom anyway? I feel far freer in Ireland to be honest

However.... there is no doubt that everyone who lives in America benefits greatly from the military and that extends to varying degrees to people living in countries that have close links to America.

America's global position no doubt helps its sovereign defence but without a military a country with the resources that America has would be an immediate target for exploitation. Also its global position is actually a major hindrance to be able to project its military power in a useful way. And America's ability to do this through a deep water navy, vast airforce, nuclear deterrent...etc etc. is without a powerful diplomatic tool that America wields to its economic benefit via trade and commerce. Like it or not everyone in America benefits from this in one way or another.

 

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« Reply #10419 on: October 10, 2017, 09:22:43 AM »
Strange that given the furore over costs of private flights, no one in the administration thought about the cost of Pence's publicity stunt to the public purse.

That's all it was a publicity stunt, as for the expense? C'mon, given Obamas wastefulness on that score you are being a tad hypocritical here.
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« Reply #10420 on: October 10, 2017, 09:26:07 AM »
Strange that given the furore over costs of private flights, no one in the administration thought about the cost of Pence's publicity stunt to the public purse.

That's all it was a publicity stunt, as for the expense? C'mon, given Obamas wastefulness on that score you are being a tad hypocritical here.

It would be interesting to note the expenditure of the two presidents personal expenditure in the Whitehouse!! Are there figures for that anywhere?

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« Reply #10421 on: October 10, 2017, 09:31:06 AM »
Puck, I'm a bit surprised at this. I lived in the States from 1997 to 2001, and there was NEVER a 'Thanks for your Service'. In fact America treated it's veterans in an absolutely despicable manner. Since 9/11, and the war in Afghanistan, I believe the US ruling classes decided that they needed to popularise the option of the military, to keep thousands of young men and women interested in a career in the armed forces. There was a massive push for faux patriotism, and anyone who said anything against the foreign policy was 'UnAmerican'. This then morphed into the overt displays of military support at NFL games, and other sporting events. Which was paid for by the Government, as essentially a massive recruiting campaign. And then, in a move to try and normalise the fact that young men and women are flying half way around the world to be shot at, and to shoot, this 'Thank you for your service' has come in.

I used to quite regularly meet US armed forces in Shannon airport when I was travelling back and forth to England, and I had chats with a few of them about the Cardinals, or whatever. I wished them 'good luck' and hoped they got home ok, but even if I were American, I don't think I would say 'Thanks for your service' because in my eyes that's a cynical manipulation of public sentiment by a government (past and present) that is only interested in maintaining support for the operations overseas, and continues to see it's young men and women as meat for the grinder if needs be.


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« Reply #10422 on: October 10, 2017, 10:12:29 AM »
That's a crucial point AZ - all this sort of shite at NFL games is window dressing. The American system continues to treat its veterans with absolute contempt, starting with the President ffs.
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« Reply #10423 on: October 10, 2017, 10:15:07 AM »
That's a crucial point AZ - all this sort of shite at NFL games is window dressing. The American system continues to treat its veterans with absolute contempt, starting with the President ffs.

Yes. This was discussed here a few years ago I believe. The fact that the Government paid for those displays tells you all you need to know. It was dressed up as a 'Thank You for your service' when really it was the Government saying 'Here's a few million dollars, please make it look like you appreciate our military, because we need to keep up support of what we are doing overseas.'

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« Reply #10424 on: October 10, 2017, 02:15:33 PM »
And the piece of shit in chief has some balls trying to generate outrage over disrespecting the military and the flag when he mocked and dismissed John McCain’s time as a prisoner of war, saying he respected people “who weren’t captured”. The same sc**bag who boasted that his own personal Vietnam was trying to avoid STDs in the 70s. I guess the bone spurs didn’t slow down THAT aspect of his morally bankrupt existence?