Hurling 2024

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johnnycool

Quote from: marty34 on May 25, 2023, 01:51:40 PM
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Cork need to build around Ben Cunningham when he progresses. Proven free taker for St Finbarr's and Cork U20's, and a big strapping lad. Their biggest problem the last few years has been forwards not winning their own ball, and not working hard enough. Get this lad in and build around him with the pace of Robbie O'Flynn and Shane Kingston. I expect Limerick to win comfortably enough this weekend, but there has been some decent signs this year for Cork going forward.

Still have a major hole to fill in the No3 jersey. I know they've pencilled in Eoin Downey for that, rangey like the brother and may come good over time but not this year for me.

I agree with you, looking at the physique of Eoin Downey I always found it very optimistic to pencil him in. Young lad yet so time on his side. Ben O'Connor to Munster rugby a disaster for them but what do you do.

Maybe do an Alan Tynan and come back in in a year or two.

Darren Sweetnam was looking good at the hurling before professional rugby came calling, probably making a decent enough living out of it in France, so hard to fault these lads.

seafoid

Cork have the problem Galway had for a long time. The difficulty of getting the team up to the right level after a period of mediocrity. If the team doesn't have the right attitude, bringing promising young players into it usually won't change the dynamic . Cork should have recovered from the 2006 final but they still haven't. From 1980 on they were worth around 2 all Irelands per decade but this has dropped to 0 in the 10s.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/26/joe-canning-wexfords-decline-poses-a-big-problem-for-the-leinster-championship/

In Munster, the margins have been tiny in most of the games and every team has been going flat out. You wonder what toll that will take on them down the road. It was obvious when Clare got to the All-Ireland semi-final last year that they didn't have much left in the tank and that's the risk for the team that loses the Munster final.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

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How is it a closed shop if Kerry win the Joe Mc and get into the Munster Championship based on results?

Are you saying they should be parachuted over other Joe McDonagh level teams purely because they are based in Munster?

As regards weaker counties developing hurling

Kilkenny for  all the bad press with regards to them and football

they still have 30 plus of their clubs playing football

Where are the equivalent counties that would be strong in football and have 30 of their clubs  playing hurling?

The fact is,there isn't

They are the only county in Munster not playing in it.

Westmeath and Antrim are in the Leinster championship. Are you saying to me that Kerry wouldn't give them a good game?

You do know how the Joe McDonagh competition works ?

Are you saying they should get promoted to the Liam McCarthy over every other county in the Joe Mc  purely on the fact that they are based in Munster ?

Yeah, I am saying that. They're the only team in Munster not playing in Munster. I'd may an exception.

Seems like the big boys want to keep a closed shop - for all the grĂ¡ of hurling in Munster, it's a clear case of hurling snobbery at its finest.

By the way, if you're so excerised over the the Joe Mc Donagh, are you saying the winners and runners up should qualify instead of the 4th placed teams in Leinster and Munster?

such absolute drivel

Firstly you didn't know that if Kerry won the Joe Mc Donagh, they would be in the Munster Championship

Then you wanted Kerry taken out of the Joe McDonagh and put in Munster regardless even thought they aren't good enough to win it at the minute and over the heads of all the other teams competing in the Joe McDonagh

Now its a grand conspiracy by the Hurling Elite to keep hurling down

Liam Griffin had a motion before congress that every Gaa club would have a hurling team up to u9/11

Everyone of your downtrodden northern counties voted against it

how about you start there with your "closed shop" bull shit

You are probably fully aware that barring Antrim all the other northern counties are footballing dominated and the county boards reflect that in their decision making.

Liams motion was well intended but impractical and what I'd prefer that Croke park insist that there's certain days of the week/month set aside for hurling only.

Go games blitzes be organised within the county and kids who want to hurl but are from a football only play for amalgamations organised by the counties GDO's.

Kids will play anything if given the chance, but far too many CB's and clubs make kids decide on one or the other. Let's allocate slots so that this isn't the case.

Dublin used to do this, probably still do where each alternate Saturday morning is rotated between hurling and football. More counties need to adopt this approach.

so its now Footballs fault

and here we were being told it was the "Hurling Elite" keeping hurling down

Liam Griffins proposal was impractical and yet you are suggesting weeks or god help us Months being set aside for Hurling when there's not enough teams in those counties to play hurling in the first instance

You grow hurling from the ground up and you grow with kids of u9,introducing the game to kids of 12 and older is nearly a waste of time

if they dont have the basics by 8/9/10

you are at nothing

As I say, such a positive attitude to the young GAA lad/lassies all over Ireland.

Stay in the B team as you're rubbish at picking the ball at 9 years old.

As a matter of fact, don't come back as you're no good.

I hope you're not coaching U9's or U10's.

Great attitude.

And you are an awful eejit to even type all that

Ger Loughnane who would know a thing more about Hurling than you has often stated that you need to have the basics by the time you are 6 or 7

That the difference between the strong hurling counties and the weak

In the Strong the Hurley is an extension of a young lads arm

in the weak its a 2 hours a week training session at best

Holy Cow - quoting Loughnane in 2023!

Now you're saying if you don't have the basics by 6 or 7...instead of 9 or 10.

Whatever you say Coach.

This just shows you up for how little you actually know when it comes to Hurling

Anyone that knows anything about Hurling would know the quicker you get a hurley into a young lads hand and then the more often they practice, the more proficient they will get

that holds true in 2023 the same as it did in 2003 or 1993

As for looking down your nose at Ger Loughnane

You and your county would be delighted with yourselves if you achieved a tenth of what he achieved

Says the coach who discards any kid who can't pick the ball up by 6 or 7.

Wise up.

Christ your some fool

Point out exactly where i said that

You clearly dont have a clue about Hurling but are arrogant enough to display your ignorance on here

This is your quote:

You grow hurling from the ground up and you grow with kids of u9,introducing the game to kids of 12 and older is nearly a waste of time

if they dont have the basics by 8/9/10

you are at nothing

You are at nothing - such a statement.  Then you bring Loughnane into it using a younger age group.  FFS. A few posters pulled you up on it.

Good debate on another thread about the merits of Go Games and competitive blitzes etc.  You should read it - differing opinions on how to develop young players.

You might learn a thing or two.

Down Lad with all the answers to developing Hurlers

When can we see the fruits of yere labours?

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Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 02:27:44 PM
Cork have the problem Galway had for a long time. The difficulty of getting the team up to the right level after a period of mediocrity. If the team doesn't have the right attitude, bringing promising young players into it usually won't change the dynamic . Cork should have recovered from the 2006 final but they still haven't. From 1980 on they were worth around 2 all Irelands per decade but this has dropped to 0 in the 10s.

Corks problem is tippy tappy Hurling and the fact that the club game is gone marsh mellow soft down there

Galways problem for a long time used to be the opposite, talented Galway minors getting beheaded when they stepped up and played in senior club games


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A Defining weekend for the Championship

If Cork beat Limerick, they are gone and then its wide open for everyone else.

The more likelihood is that Limerick win and then win the All Ireland

A Tipp win and Limerick win puts Limerick third and a game most likely against Carlow ,

Which Kiely the chance to get game time into the younger Lads who he has been slow enough to bring in, in the heat of a Munster championship

Your English's,Coughlin,Boylan even young Houlihan who featured during the League

They all perform and then Lynch and Hegarty and Hayes get time to get their mojo back

And they are primed to face the losers of a Leinster Final in the Quarter Final

Then they face the Leinster Champions in a semi final

blasmere

Quote from: The Premierview Podcast on May 26, 2023, 11:38:02 AM
A Defining weekend for the Championship

If Cork beat Limerick, they are gone and then its wide open for everyone else.

The more likelihood is that Limerick win and then win the All Ireland

A Tipp win and Limerick win puts Limerick third and a game most likely against Carlow ,

Which Kiely the chance to get game time into the younger Lads who he has been slow enough to bring in, in the heat of a Munster championship

Your English's,Coughlin,Boylan even young Houlihan who featured during the League

They all perform and then Lynch and Hegarty and Hayes get time to get their mojo back

And they are primed to face the losers of a Leinster Final in the Quarter Final

Then they face the Leinster Champions in a semi final

I would have thought if Limerick beat Cork and then the Carlow/Offaly loser and then the Leinster runner up they would quite probably play the Munster Champs in the semi final as the Munster runner up will likely be in the other semi final (after beating winner of Carlow/Offaly and then Dublin who they should also beat).
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Quote from: blasmere on May 26, 2023, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: The Premierview Podcast on May 26, 2023, 11:38:02 AM
A Defining weekend for the Championship

If Cork beat Limerick, they are gone and then its wide open for everyone else.

The more likelihood is that Limerick win and then win the All Ireland

A Tipp win and Limerick win puts Limerick third and a game most likely against Carlow ,

Which Kiely the chance to get game time into the younger Lads who he has been slow enough to bring in, in the heat of a Munster championship

Your English's,Coughlin,Boylan even young Houlihan who featured during the League

They all perform and then Lynch and Hegarty and Hayes get time to get their mojo back

And they are primed to face the losers of a Leinster Final in the Quarter Final

Then they face the Leinster Champions in a semi final

I would have thought if Limerick beat Cork and then the Carlow/Offaly loser and then the Leinster runner up they would quite probably play the Munster Champs in the semi final as the Munster runner up will likely be in the other semi final (after beating winner of Carlow/Offaly and then Dublin who they should also beat).

Runner Up in Joe Mc plays third placed Munster Team Saturday 17/6 or Sunday 18/6

Winner of that then plays Leinster Runner Up on Saturday 24/6

seafoid

Quote from: blasmere on May 26, 2023, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: The Premierview Podcast on May 26, 2023, 11:38:02 AM
A Defining weekend for the Championship

If Cork beat Limerick, they are gone and then its wide open for everyone else.

The more likelihood is that Limerick win and then win the All Ireland

A Tipp win and Limerick win puts Limerick third and a game most likely against Carlow ,

Which Kiely the chance to get game time into the younger Lads who he has been slow enough to bring in, in the heat of a Munster championship

Your English's,Coughlin,Boylan even young Houlihan who featured during the League

They all perform and then Lynch and Hegarty and Hayes get time to get their mojo back

And they are primed to face the losers of a Leinster Final in the Quarter Final

Then they face the Leinster Champions in a semi final

I would have thought if Limerick beat Cork and then the Carlow/Offaly loser and then the Leinster runner up they would quite probably play the Munster Champs in the semi final as the Munster runner up will likely be in the other semi final (after beating winner of Carlow/Offaly and then Dublin who they should also beat).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

The Premierview Podcast

Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2023, 11:54:48 AM
Quote from: blasmere on May 26, 2023, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: The Premierview Podcast on May 26, 2023, 11:38:02 AM
A Defining weekend for the Championship

If Cork beat Limerick, they are gone and then its wide open for everyone else.

The more likelihood is that Limerick win and then win the All Ireland

A Tipp win and Limerick win puts Limerick third and a game most likely against Carlow ,

Which Kiely the chance to get game time into the younger Lads who he has been slow enough to bring in, in the heat of a Munster championship

Your English's,Coughlin,Boylan even young Houlihan who featured during the League

They all perform and then Lynch and Hegarty and Hayes get time to get their mojo back

And they are primed to face the losers of a Leinster Final in the Quarter Final

Then they face the Leinster Champions in a semi final

I would have thought if Limerick beat Cork and then the Carlow/Offaly loser and then the Leinster runner up they would quite probably play the Munster Champs in the semi final as the Munster runner up will likely be in the other semi final (after beating winner of Carlow/Offaly and then Dublin who they should also beat).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship

That doesnt tell you who plays the winner or loser of the Joe Mc

Use this link

https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/gaa-hurling-all-ireland-senior-championship/fixtures


seafoid

Quote from: The Premierview Podcast on May 26, 2023, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2023, 11:54:48 AM
Quote from: blasmere on May 26, 2023, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: The Premierview Podcast on May 26, 2023, 11:38:02 AM
A Defining weekend for the Championship

If Cork beat Limerick, they are gone and then its wide open for everyone else.

The more likelihood is that Limerick win and then win the All Ireland

A Tipp win and Limerick win puts Limerick third and a game most likely against Carlow ,

Which Kiely the chance to get game time into the younger Lads who he has been slow enough to bring in, in the heat of a Munster championship

Your English's,Coughlin,Boylan even young Houlihan who featured during the League

They all perform and then Lynch and Hegarty and Hayes get time to get their mojo back

And they are primed to face the losers of a Leinster Final in the Quarter Final

Then they face the Leinster Champions in a semi final

I would have thought if Limerick beat Cork and then the Carlow/Offaly loser and then the Leinster runner up they would quite probably play the Munster Champs in the semi final as the Munster runner up will likely be in the other semi final (after beating winner of Carlow/Offaly and then Dublin who they should also beat).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship

That doesnt tell you who plays the winner or loser of the Joe Mc

Use this link

https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/gaa-hurling-all-ireland-senior-championship/fixtures
It does

All-Ireland preliminary quarter-finals
17 June 2023   Joe McDonagh Cup Winners   v   3rd Leinster Championship      
17 June 2023   Joe McDonagh Cup Runners-Up   v   3rd Munster Championship      
All-Ireland quarter-finals
24 June 2023   Munster Runners-Up   v   Peliminary Quarter-Final Winners 1      
24 June 2023   Leinster Runners-Up   v   Peliminary Quarter-Final Winners 2      
All-Ireland semi-finals
9 July 2023   Leinster Champions   v   Quarter-Final Winners 1      
8 July 2023   Munster Champions   v   Quarter-Final Winners 2   
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

blasmere

Ah right, so it still leaves it open for a Munster Champs v Limerick AI Final, assuming Limerick finish 3rd in Munster.
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marty34

Plenty of chat about the final group settings but I'll be interested to see how Waterford go this weekend.

Surely there much be some sort of kick in them after all that's been said about them...you'd think.

You'd think they'd keep Dessie H a bit closer to goal to frighten a few defenders instead of being out the field a good bit.

This game should tell us more about Davy Fitz and Waterford.

seafoid

Quote from: blasmere on May 26, 2023, 12:24:00 PM
Ah right, so it still leaves it open for a Munster Champs v Limerick AI Final, assuming Limerick finish 3rd in Munster.
Hard to know what is wrong with Limerick and whether it is fixable. In 2013 Kilkenny collapsed having won 6 all irelands between 06 and 12.
Dublin won Leinster and Clare won the all Ireland. Cork finished Kilkenny off in an amazing match.
KK came back to win two more in 14 and 15. That was the last of them.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU