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[No one is going to wreck that competition for the sake of Counties who cant get their act together for the past 140 years]

There's a lot of good in what Jamie says but it won't happen purely on the basis of the vested interests of the Munster and Leinster councils giving up their cash cows, it ain't going to happen.

Sometimes the hurling elite have no interest in developing hurling outside their own wee cabal.

the Munster Hurling Championship has nearly double the attendance of its next nearest Provincial Competition, which is the Ulster Football Championship

No one is going to wreck that competition for the sake of Counties who cant get their act together for the past 140 years

At least you are honest.


As regards the downgrading of the lower grade Hurling Competitions, that was done at Central Council Level and not by any Hurling Committee which you seem to have such enmity towards

And who was president at the time? A certain Nicky Brennan from Kilkenny who was more interesting in returning the minor semi-finals to those dates than allowing the CR and Nicky Rackard to maintain those dates. Why else would Central Council have made those changes?

The sense of victimhood is strong here

First the Hurling Elites

the stronger Hurling Counties

and now Nickey Brennan

Much and all as I love to blame Kilkenny for everything

Nickey Brennan was 1 man with 1 vote, there was more than him to relegate the lower hurling competitions to the wilderness

as if having them on before a Hurling Semifinal was going to be the cure for all the weaker counties Hurling Problems either

it might also have passed your attention that the Minor Hurling last year was a standalone competition with the final on in a packed Nowlan Park between Tipp and Offaly who in fairness to them are doing something about get ack to where they were in the 80' and 90's.

Bottom Line

As pointed out earlier

You will need over 9,000 players to win an All Ireland nowadays

Getting to those numbers requires huge work,rather than blaming everyone else

[They always used skill as a barrier to entry.]

Change has to come from the top down.
The history of modern hurling is the history of dragging out concessions from the old firm.
They always used skill as a barrier to entry.

Another Lad that doesnt know how things work

Change or Concessions as you like to call them are brought about by votes in Congress where Delegates from every County vote for or against proposals brought forward by a club

Thats how your Minors ended up in the Leinster Championship this year.

Theres a reason why Counties are weak and it starts and ends with those Counties

Start with your own house before blaming those who are doing things right in theirs

There's a lot of good in what Jamie says but it won't happen purely on the basis of the vested interests of the Munster and Leinster councils giving up their cash cows, it ain't going to happen.

Sometimes the hurling elite have no interest in developing hurling outside their own wee cabal.

the Munster Hurling Championship has nearly double the attendance of its next nearest Provincial Competition, which is the Ulster Football Championship

No one is going to wreck that competition for the sake of Counties who cant get their act together for the past 140 years

[counties]

There's a lot of good in what Jamie says but it won't happen purely on the basis of the vested interests of the Munster and Leinster councils giving up their cash cows, it ain't going to happen.

Sometimes the hurling elite have no interest in developing hurling outside their own wee cabal.

Like the Ulster football provincial.

Not sure if it up to Munster and Leinster though.

It starts with clubs and more importantly, counties.

This is how it works within the GAA, delegates, county secretaries will be put under pressure by being told "vote this way or you can say goodbye to your GDO's" or some other grant/incentive will be applied..

The development of hurling has been left to the hurling elite yet we're shocked to see that the gap isn't closing between them and the "developing" counties.

there's been no director of Hurling appointed since Martin Fogarty left the post on the 23/12/21

but yeah blame the hurling "elite"

who ever they are

Why, what did Martin do during his tenure that I missed?

well done on missing my point

As for the Hurling Elites you keep mentioning

Who are they ?

They are those lads from the traditional hurling counties who sit on committees allegedly to develop hurling but only ever come up with proposals to solidify their own counties position or think that what works in Tipp will work in Meath or Kildare..

Ever ask why the CR and Nicky Rackard finals are no longer on before the Liam McCarthy semi-finals? Even wonder why the current league format came about rather than the previous Div1A and Div1B's of 8 teams?

The Lads that sit on Hurling Development Committees can only make Recommendations

They cant  force anything through

As regards the downgrading of the lower grade Hurling Competitions, that was done at Central Council Level and not by any Hurling Committee which you seem to have such enmity towards

Liam Griffin put a proposal to Congress recently with regard to every Club having to have a u7/u9 Hurling Team, It was shot down in Flames

What way did your County vote?

You could do a lot worse than learn from the traditional counties as to what works and what doesn't.