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The senior hurlers/opportunity

I am a cheddar fan. His enthusiasm and love for hurling and laois cannot be matched. After the fiasco of Eddie leaving I felt Cheddar was a good appointment. He is not another teddy Mc or Eamonn Kelly type journey man. He has put a very impressive backroom team in place with Franny Forde considered one of the best coaches around. Cheddar will have his ducks in a row and if he gets buy in he will have the team very well prepared for battle. Last year against Wexford was a shambles.  I am all for trying new things but the game was over after 15 minutes and the plan just didn't work. It looked like this was the first time they had tried this system. Surely a league match or a few practice matches would have shown the management this wasn't going to work? However, Cheddar listened to the players and changed things up. We beat Antrim and we really could have beaten Waterford who are probably the second best team in the country in my opinion. In that game we were totally outclassed in the first half and it looked like we would take another beating. Far from it though as the lads showed some character and class to battle back to lead with 5 mins to go. Cheddar and his management made a few changes that got us back into the game and they deserve credit for that. He also made a couple of big calls before the game having lost R Mullaney and L Cleere. Moving F C Fennell back on Dessie Hutchinson was an inspired move as fennel did as good a job as anyone on one of the best forwards in the country.
A great win against Antrim followed by an outstanding and impressive performance against Waterford sets us up nicely coming into 2022. Wexford and Dublin are not that good, Kilkenny are workmanlike but they haven't got the players they had before to scare you and Galway wont be bad but will be in a bit of transition. I genuinely believe that if we can get a few more to commit and get a full buy in from the panel that we could get a couple of wins, get out of the group and have a right crack at leinster. Following that what are our goals over the next two/three years? For me it should be getting to a leinster final. Imagine the hysteria that would bring to the county. Laois people showed in 2019 that they are crying out for a team to follow and I don't think a leinster is beyond us!

Non committals/regrets

This is a well flagged and massive issue in the past, currently and in the future for Laois hurling and football. I struggle to understand it. People will throw out the 'ah sure why would they bother' 'sure laois are at nothing' 'the commitment is savage'. I look at it as such an honour, it's a huge privilege in most other hurling counties. Clubs and general public in Laois don't help and many would discourage lads from going in. Its an awful shame. I appreciate it curtails their social life but most intercountry players are finished by the time they are 32. They have a good 40 years to socialise after that. They only get a few years to have a proper go at it. I really believe that the ones that haven't committed will look back with a huge amount of regret when they finish hurling. They will carry that regret for a long time. They are putting the effort in with their clubs so it's literally only another couple of months that they would do with the county anyway. I would also question why we have so many defections in laois compared to other counties. Im not talking about the likes of limerick or Kilkenny but the likes of Carlow and Offaly hurlers have very few that don't commit. Eddie Brennan commented that 22 players had not committed in 2019, that's staggering.
Im not sure if there is an answer for this but I would question if the management and in particular the co boards efforts to get lads on board and keep them on board. Everything that needs to be done should be done, im talking along the lines of helping with job opportunities(locally), college scholarships, transport to training, expenses etc. David Dooley was in with laois seniors last year until he was told he couldn't play. One of our most promising up and coming prospects was lost to rugby, could more have been done to keep him with the u20s for the year, he could have made the difference against Kilkenny. I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do in the future but hopefully we will see him in the blue and white of laois again.

Leigh Bergin, Gearoid Burke, Joe Campion, Colm Stapleton, Cathal Dunne, Aidan Corby, Mark Dowling, Robbie Phelan, Liam O Connell are just a few I'd like to see involved

Letting them live a little

Eddie Brennan was a breath of fresh air for the players when he was involved. Letting them have a few pints after the McDonagh success and after the Dublin match was well documented as a positive move and one that the players really appreciated and to be fair the were professional enough not to take the piss. For all Cheddars good traits I think he needs to rejuvenate the panel and bring a bit of a fun element into the set up. I heard of hour upon hour long meetings going over tactics sucked the life and good out of the players at times last year. You would wonder about it considering how they played against wexford.

Line Balls

Just a word on this, we gave up some very soft scores especially in the league from very poor line balls out of the backs in particular last year. Needs to be worked on

Forwards/Scoring power

Against Waterford last year if we had another forward playing well we would have won. Roddy was well held and when he was we had little support for paddy Purcell and cha. Unfortunately mark kav was and will be a loss. Outside of that we need to be getting more from our other forwards and maybe unearth a couple of new ones. Of the ones that are there, picky needs to be playing up there and not at wing back, we have plenty of wing backs and hes in the form of his life for his club in the forwards. We need to get more out of Aaron dunphy who was outstanding for B/K this year putting up big scores. Would like to see Ben Conroy get a good run in the league, see what he can do. There are some promising players from the u20 set up also but some of them may want to stay with the u20s again this year as they should have a decent outfit and its probably hard to blame them.

Personnel options
GK – Rowland, Simms, (Fleming and Dunne if interested)
Backs – Cleere, Hartnett, Conway, Fennell, Downey, P Delaney, Mullaney, McEvoy, Kelly
Midfield – Purcell, Kelly, Lennon, Fennell, Keyes
Forwards – Purcell, Cha, Picky, Roddy, Willie Dunphy, Aaron Dunphy, Collier, Lyons, Conroy, Scully, Ryan

Do we know yet what players wont be committing for 2022? I know they're riding the crest of wave a little but to me Clough Ballacolla are currently highlighting what we have in Laois, lads with good honest attitudes and most importantly no shortage of skill!!! We actually have a genuine crop of 17 to 20 players in Laois now who are all well able to hurl which couldn't be said 10 years ago, so it would be a shame if some of those lads are not around next year...the most evident thing to me in the CB, Kilmacud game was how much better stickmen the Laois men were, just a lot tidier players! I think where we will get unstuck at the highest level these days is unfortunately down to physical size, the top 6to8 hurling teams are togging out monsters these days and its very difficult live with the physicality they bring over 70 minutes.

Quote from: mcwregor on December 16, 2021, 10:06:04 PM
The senior hurlers/opportunity

I am a cheddar fan. His enthusiasm and love for hurling and laois cannot be matched. After the fiasco of Eddie leaving I felt Cheddar was a good appointment. He is not another teddy Mc or Eamonn Kelly type journey man. He has put a very impressive backroom team in place with Franny Forde considered one of the best coaches around. Cheddar will have his ducks in a row and if he gets buy in he will have the team very well prepared for battle. Last year against Wexford was a shambles.  I am all for trying new things but the game was over after 15 minutes and the plan just didn't work. It looked like this was the first time they had tried this system. Surely a league match or a few practice matches would have shown the management this wasn't going to work? However, Cheddar listened to the players and changed things up. We beat Antrim and we really could have beaten Waterford who are probably the second best team in the country in my opinion. In that game we were totally outclassed in the first half and it looked like we would take another beating. Far from it though as the lads showed some character and class to battle back to lead with 5 mins to go. Cheddar and his management made a few changes that got us back into the game and they deserve credit for that. He also made a couple of big calls before the game having lost R Mullaney and L Cleere. Moving F C Fennell back on Dessie Hutchinson was an inspired move as fennel did as good a job as anyone on one of the best forwards in the country.
A great win against Antrim followed by an outstanding and impressive performance against Waterford sets us up nicely coming into 2022. Wexford and Dublin are not that good, Kilkenny are workmanlike but they haven't got the players they had before to scare you and Galway wont be bad but will be in a bit of transition. I genuinely believe that if we can get a few more to commit and get a full buy in from the panel that we could get a couple of wins, get out of the group and have a right crack at leinster. Following that what are our goals over the next two/three years? For me it should be getting to a leinster final. Imagine the hysteria that would bring to the county. Laois people showed in 2019 that they are crying out for a team to follow and I don't think a leinster is beyond us!

Non committals/regrets

This is a well flagged and massive issue in the past, currently and in the future for Laois hurling and football. I struggle to understand it. People will throw out the 'ah sure why would they bother' 'sure laois are at nothing' 'the commitment is savage'. I look at it as such an honour, it's a huge privilege in most other hurling counties. Clubs and general public in Laois don't help and many would discourage lads from going in. Its an awful shame. I appreciate it curtails their social life but most intercountry players are finished by the time they are 32. They have a good 40 years to socialise after that. They only get a few years to have a proper go at it. I really believe that the ones that haven't committed will look back with a huge amount of regret when they finish hurling. They will carry that regret for a long time. They are putting the effort in with their clubs so it's literally only another couple of months that they would do with the county anyway. I would also question why we have so many defections in laois compared to other counties. Im not talking about the likes of limerick or Kilkenny but the likes of Carlow and Offaly hurlers have very few that don't commit. Eddie Brennan commented that 22 players had not committed in 2019, that's staggering.
Im not sure if there is an answer for this but I would question if the management and in particular the co boards efforts to get lads on board and keep them on board. Everything that needs to be done should be done, im talking along the lines of helping with job opportunities(locally), college scholarships, transport to training, expenses etc. David Dooley was in with laois seniors last year until he was told he couldn't play. One of our most promising up and coming prospects was lost to rugby, could more have been done to keep him with the u20s for the year, he could have made the difference against Kilkenny. I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do in the future but hopefully we will see him in the blue and white of laois again.

Leigh Bergin, Gearoid Burke, Joe Campion, Colm Stapleton, Cathal Dunne, Aidan Corby, Mark Dowling, Robbie Phelan, Liam O Connell are just a few I'd like to see involved

Letting them live a little

Eddie Brennan was a breath of fresh air for the players when he was involved. Letting them have a few pints after the McDonagh success and after the Dublin match was well documented as a positive move and one that the players really appreciated and to be fair the were professional enough not to take the piss. For all Cheddars good traits I think he needs to rejuvenate the panel and bring a bit of a fun element into the set up. I heard of hour upon hour long meetings going over tactics sucked the life and good out of the players at times last year. You would wonder about it considering how they played against wexford.

Line Balls

Just a word on this, we gave up some very soft scores especially in the league from very poor line balls out of the backs in particular last year. Needs to be worked on

Forwards/Scoring power

Against Waterford last year if we had another forward playing well we would have won. Roddy was well held and when he was we had little support for paddy Purcell and cha. Unfortunately mark kav was and will be a loss. Outside of that we need to be getting more from our other forwards and maybe unearth a couple of new ones. Of the ones that are there, picky needs to be playing up there and not at wing back, we have plenty of wing backs and hes in the form of his life for his club in the forwards. We need to get more out of Aaron dunphy who was outstanding for B/K this year putting up big scores. Would like to see Ben Conroy get a good run in the league, see what he can do. There are some promising players from the u20 set up also but some of them may want to stay with the u20s again this year as they should have a decent outfit and its probably hard to blame them.

Personnel options
GK – Rowland, Simms, (Fleming and Dunne if interested)
Backs – Cleere, Hartnett, Conway, Fennell, Downey, P Delaney, Mullaney, McEvoy, Kelly
Midfield – Purcell, Kelly, Lennon, Fennell, Keyes
Forwards – Purcell, Cha, Picky, Roddy, Willie Dunphy, Aaron Dunphy, Collier, Lyons, Conroy, Scully, Ryan

Excellent Post

Aaron Dunphy Collier or Cleere are not going in I have being told.

Quote from: Laois man on December 17, 2021, 05:49:54 PM
Aaron Dunphy Collier or Cleere are not going in I have being told.

Dunphy and Cleere were excellent for their clubs throughout the season, big losses if true.

Aaron Dunphy is on board,
I believe Cleere is hoping to go travelling for a few months in the new year

Your sure Dunphy is on board?

Excellent post.
Articulated the situation around the Wexford game plan (or lack of on) very well. Made me question my faith in Cheddar big time.
There is hope.

I was chatting to a few CB members in Croke Park yesterday and they were under the impression that Adian Corby has yet to be called in. surly that's not right?

Quote from: ottoman on December 20, 2021, 02:26:23 PM
I was chatting to a few CB members in Croke Park yesterday and they were under the impression that Adian Corby has yet to be called in. surly that's not right?

Really stylish hurler, lovely striker of the ball. But he won't make it at inter county unless he learns to pass the ball.

out against Tipp in the first round of the League in Portlaoise

Saturday the 5th of feb at 6pm

Will mark Kavanagh be on the panel this year ? He was great the year we won mcdonagh cup

He's been plagued with injuries, the latest one picked up when he was just returning for R/E in this year's championship. I don't know how long he'll be out, but it must be extremely frustrating for him.

Looks like A Dunphy, L Cleere, C Collier, M Kavanagh.
We will only be missing one starter from the Waterford match last year which is positive but the four names above will still be big losses unfortunately.

Additions C Dunne, A Corby, J Walshe, L O Connell, M Dowling
P Purcell not training at the moment not sure what the story is there. Cha is recovering from injury so will prob miss the first few rounds of the league.

Need to get up to speed in the next few weeks with Tipp, Kilkenny and Waterford out to impress in the first three league games. Be great to be really competitive in these games.
We have competed well in Championship games vs Dublin Clare and Waterford in the championship in recent years but we need a bit more consistency of performance overall in the league too. Its not the be all and end all obviously (look at Antrim in the league last year and where they ended up)
We'll know more on Sunday

Conor Phelan and Pauric Dunne also additions from last year.
I feel Aaron Dunphy will be a hugh loss going forward, he's the one explosive forward of inter County standard needed to match the big boys on his 2020 form.
Good to see Gavin O Mahoney included. Involved with fitzgibbon and club teams for the last few years.

It's a real shame to lose lads to travelling. I would have thought that COVID would make travelling less attractive this year (just in relation to all the restrictions). The lads that are missing will be big losses. Hopefully some of them might get back later in the year.

What's the situation with Lee Bergin?

Quote from: redsetanta on January 07, 2022, 02:20:48 PM
What's the situation with Lee Bergin?

Lack of interest for club and county I believe. Looking to travel when life returns to normal. Massive talent none the less

Leigh realistically won't ever hurl again for laois. Doubtful if he'll play for his club. Pity such a talent.

Looks like we have lots of defenders available. Should see picky Maher back in the forwards at least.

Is Paddy Purcell taking a year out ?

Quote from: Spiritof86 on January 10, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Is Paddy Purcell taking a year out ?

No. He's back though don't know where he was yesterday possibly covid related. Ciaran mcevoy missing with a broken finger along with injuries to cha and pj scully. Good to see Cheddar attempting to increase the depth of squad. But we seemed to be lacking in the S&C department.
In other news the u20s played out a competitive draw with a strong Limerick outfit yesterday. James duggan scored 3-02. Surely worth a look at senior level.

Laois need their best hurlers just to be competitive.

We are just unable to cope if 2 or 3 starters are out.

Kavanagh is such a loss for us but in saying that I thought PJ was a huge improvement last year.

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on January 10, 2022, 02:41:14 PM

Quote from: Spiritof86 on January 10, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Is Paddy Purcell taking a year out ?

No. He's back though don't know where he was yesterday possibly covid related. Ciaran mcevoy missing with a broken finger along with injuries to cha and pj scully. Good to see Cheddar attempting to increase the depth of squad. But we seemed to be lacking in the S&C department.
In other news the u20s played out a competitive draw with a strong Limerick outfit yesterday. James duggan scored 3-02. Surely worth a look at senior level.

Good to hear that about Purcell after hearing otherwise yesterday .

I think the situation with the likes of Duggan is it could hinder his development if he's in with the Seniors and doesn't get any game time . I just presuming he won't eligible for the u20s if he hurls with the seniors correct me if I'm wrong .

I would love for 2022 if Laois Today, great service to the county that they do provide, would get a knowledgable, down to earth hurling pundit for the year, hurling is definitely not the lads forte, football obviously their first love, but the analysis of games / performances is miles off.

As regards the game yesterday, we are well behind in S&C stakes consistently, still playing catch up with the main teams. Good numbers on the panel, a few out of their depth, but as said above I think with our best 15 /17 we can compete most days.
Best yesterday Ryan Mullaney, Podge Delaney, Roddy, Picky, Stephen Bergin

Mark Dowling will be a good addition to the full forward line, ciaran byrne needs time to develop, Fonzy also will need to get used to this level, Jack kelly brought a bit of pace into the game, where to hurl him will be the decision, maybe podge at 6 again and Jack at 7.

Goin to be hectic few months for them, realistically we're looking to win the Antrim home league game and the westmeath home
Championship game, anything else a bonus,
Ben Conroy was v poor and turned over numerous balls that led to scores,
Biggest thing we will need is a half forward line.

They had Damien Carter there last year didn't they ? He had a few interesting views 😁

Lots to be happy about yesterday going forward..
I really believe a half back line of podge, Liam o connell and Ryan mullaney could be a serious platform. 3 big, physical and intelligent hurlers who I'd like to think can keep most counties half forward lines under pressure.

I agree with one of the previous contributors the our half forward line has an inability to win primary possession which is a foundation for any successful team. Maybe the likes of eanna lyons and Cha will work in that respect. Picky an option on half forward line too.
Throw in scully and roddy in the full forward. An athletic midfield to pick from with Fiachra, aidan Corby, Jack Kelly and John Lennon all vying and whoever else comes out of the pack, I'd like to think we have a chance of turning over one of the so called big teams this year

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on January 10, 2022, 03:58:46 PM
Lots to be happy about yesterday going forward..
I really believe a half back line of podge, Liam o connell and Ryan mullaney could be a serious platform. 3 big, physical and intelligent hurlers who I'd like to think can keep most counties half forward lines under pressure.

I agree with one of the previous contributors the our half forward line has an inability to win primary possession which is a foundation for any successful team. Maybe the likes of eanna lyons and Cha will work in that respect. Picky an option on half forward line too.
Throw in scully and roddy in the full forward. An athletic midfield to pick from with Fiachra, aidan Corby, Jack Kelly and John Lennon all vying and whoever else comes out of the pack, I'd like to think we have a chance of turning over one of the so called big teams this year

Aaron Dunphy is a big loss here. He's not only the best half forward in the county currently but he is athletic and well conditioned to the demands of intercounty hurling. We unfortunately don't have too many like him within the county! If Aidan Corby can carry his club for the county it would be huge for us also.

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on January 10, 2022, 03:58:46 PM
Lots to be happy about yesterday going forward..
I really believe a half back line of podge, Liam o connell and Ryan mullaney could be a serious platform. 3 big, physical and intelligent hurlers who I'd like to think can keep most counties half forward lines under pressure.

I agree with one of the previous contributors the our half forward line has an inability to win primary possession which is a foundation for any successful team. Maybe the likes of eanna lyons and Cha will work in that respect. Picky an option on half forward line too.
Throw in scully and roddy in the full forward. An athletic midfield to pick from with Fiachra, aidan Corby, Jack Kelly and John Lennon all vying and whoever else comes out of the pack, I'd like to think we have a chance of turning over one of the so called big teams this year

Would prefer to see one of Fonsie / Mullaney in centre back with two mobile half backs - Jack and Podge. Half forward line has been a problem for us for years. Picky and Cha can win it a bit of ball. Is Willie Dunphy back? Pity Collier isn't involved. Jordan Walsh worth a look. Maybe with Roddy, PJ and Ben Conroy in the full forward line.

Always think Paddy Purcell is better at midfield, maybe alongside Corby or Fennell.

My starting 15:
Rowland
Conway
Downey
Hartnett
Kelly
Mullaney
Delaney
Purcell
Fennell
W. Dunphy if available, John Lennon otherwise
Cha
Picky
Conroy
Roddy
PJ

Lots on the bench too. I have cheered myself up with this post.

Quote from: blueandwhite1 on January 10, 2022, 05:03:05 PM

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on January 10, 2022, 03:58:46 PM
Lots to be happy about yesterday going forward..
I really believe a half back line of podge, Liam o connell and Ryan mullaney could be a serious platform. 3 big, physical and intelligent hurlers who I'd like to think can keep most counties half forward lines under pressure.

I agree with one of the previous contributors the our half forward line has an inability to win primary possession which is a foundation for any successful team. Maybe the likes of eanna lyons and Cha will work in that respect. Picky an option on half forward line too.
Throw in scully and roddy in the full forward. An athletic midfield to pick from with Fiachra, aidan Corby, Jack Kelly and John Lennon all vying and whoever else comes out of the pack, I'd like to think we have a chance of turning over one of the so called big teams this year

Would prefer to see one of Fonsie / Mullaney in centre back with two mobile half backs - Jack and Podge. Half forward line has been a problem for us for years. Picky and Cha can win it a bit of ball. Is Willie Dunphy back? Pity Collier isn't involved. Jordan Walsh worth a look. Maybe with Roddy, PJ and Ben Conroy in the full forward line.

Always think Paddy Purcell is better at midfield, maybe alongside Corby or Fennell.

My starting 15:
Rowland
Conway
Downey
Hartnett
Kelly
Mullaney
Delaney
Purcell
Fennell
W. Dunphy if available, John Lennon otherwise
Cha
Picky
Conroy
Roddy
PJ

Lots on the bench too. I have cheered myself up with this post.

That's a fine team on paper albeit I'd like to see dunphy in the corner. Ben has missed a few years and might take him a while to adjust. If lyons avoids injury I think he could be invaluable in half forward for his ball winning abilities and his honest approach. Scoring not his forte but if he can progress this year and be an out and out target man to set up attacks its something the team need in my humble opinion
No qualms about throwing in Frank Flanagan or Macca eitheir. There's serious potential in ciaran byrne too but physically needs maybe a year or two to develop. I m hoping we have at least 20 players up to IC standard that are ready for the battle. The next few weeks and months will test them like never before. Looking forward to it

Eanna Lyons not involved this year either
Frank Flanagan not an Inter county corner back

I think we have suffered in recent years by not having enough forwards. P Purcell was an all star nominee as a forward last year. so there's no way i would play him midfield. If we can get him on the ball near the goals like we did against Antrim and Waterford he can cause serious damage. We need him to do that. I would play Jack Kelly in midfield too, we have enough for the half back line and jack can both be defensive minded as well as play in good ball and get a few scores from midfield too.

This team would be exciting.

E Rowland
D Hartnett
S Downey
D Conway
P Delaney
L O Connell
R Mullaney
J Kelly
F C Fennell
W Dunphy (Could swap with picky)
C Dwyer
B Conroy
P Purcell (Roaming between half and full forward lines, getting onto breaks and heading for goal)
Picky
R King

No sweeper, trust the backs to mark their men. Rowland to bomb huge puckouts down reaching between half and full forward lines and i think we have the forwards there to cause trouble. If opportunity is there Rowland should give the puck out to Downey, take it back and strike from 14, ball should be landing around the 21 (worked well last year).

C McEvoy unlucky not to be in the team. Corby to be impact from the bench. Dowling/Scully inside forward options. Keyes an option for half forward line.
Is Lennon injured? Has played v little since 2019. Pity about the non committals but we should still have a strong outfit when all available.

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on January 10, 2022, 02:41:14 PM

Quote from: Spiritof86 on January 10, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Is Paddy Purcell taking a year out ?

No. He's back though don't know where he was yesterday possibly covid related. Ciaran mcevoy missing with a broken finger along with injuries to cha and pj scully. Good to see Cheddar attempting to increase the depth of squad. But we seemed to be lacking in the S&C department.
In other news the u20s played out a competitive draw with a strong Limerick outfit
yesterday. James duggan scored 3-02. Surely worth a look at senior level.

Positive to see u20s competing well, a bit of hope for this team although i wouldnt get carried away. Galway will be very strong and KK are always so hard to beat. Limerick were munster minor champions at this level but they have Colin Coughlan, Cathal O Neill and an amazing talent in Adam English on the senior panel so they may not have been playing against us. What sort of a team did we have out do you know. Any dreaded non committals? An effort should be made to get D Dooley involved if at all possible. Probably no chance of it.

Quote from: mcwregor on January 10, 2022, 09:27:06 PM

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on January 10, 2022, 02:41:14 PM

Quote from: Spiritof86 on January 10, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Is Paddy Purcell taking a year out ?

No. He's back though don't know where he was yesterday possibly covid related. Ciaran mcevoy missing with a broken finger along with injuries to cha and pj scully. Good to see Cheddar attempting to increase the depth of squad. But we seemed to be lacking in the S&C department.
In other news the u20s played out a competitive draw with a strong Limerick outfit
yesterday. James duggan scored 3-02. Surely worth a look at senior level.

Positive to see u20s competing well, a bit of hope for this team although i wouldnt get carried away. Galway will be very strong and KK are always so hard to beat. Limerick were munster minor champions at this level but they have Colin Coughlan, Cathal O Neill and an amazing talent in Adam English on the senior panel so they may not have been playing against us. What sort of a team did we have out do you know. Any dreaded non committals? An effort should be made to get D Dooley involved if at all possible. Probably no chance of it.

Started
1. Finian cuddy
B. Bredin.    Danny brennan.    Ian shanshsn
N. Coss.     Fionan mahony.    P. Brennan
         Rian Edwards.   Mossy keyes
Cathal Murphy.   T. Cuddy.       Shaun fitzpatrick
P. Rafter.       Duggan.   Noah quinlan

Big commitment all round. Very positive to see shaun Fitz in. Lot to offer both codes that chap. Another 10 plus subs came on. So plenty of fine talent to work with.

Think James keyes will be close this year. Was brill against waterford last year. Has bulked up over last 2 years I think.

Agree that we need speed on the wing. Pity Lee clear isn't back as he had a great year there. I think mullany will end up centre back.

I'd like
enda
Conway
Downey
Hartnet
delaney
mullany
Kelly
Fennell
keyes/corby/lennon
cha
King
purcell
picky
dunohy
scully/bergin/dowling

Good see the u20s being competitive.

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on January 10, 2022, 10:55:03 PM

Quote from: mcwregor on January 10, 2022, 09:27:06 PM

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on January 10, 2022, 02:41:14 PM

Quote from: Spiritof86 on January 10, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Is Paddy Purcell taking a year out ?

No. He's back though don't know where he was yesterday possibly covid related. Ciaran mcevoy missing with a broken finger along with injuries to cha and pj scully. Good to see Cheddar attempting to increase the depth of squad. But we seemed to be lacking in the S&C department.
In other news the u20s played out a competitive draw with a strong Limerick outfit
yesterday. James duggan scored 3-02. Surely worth a look at senior level.

Positive to see u20s competing well, a bit of hope for this team although i wouldnt get carried away. Galway will be very strong and KK are always so hard to beat. Limerick were munster minor champions at this level but they have Colin Coughlan, Cathal O Neill and an amazing talent in Adam English on the senior panel so they may not have been playing against us. What sort of a team did we have out do you know. Any dreaded non committals? An effort should be made to get D Dooley involved if at all possible. Probably no chance of it.

Started
1. Finian cuddy
B. Bredin.    Danny brennan.    Ian shanshsn
N. Coss.     Fionan mahony.    P. Brennan
         Rian Edwards.   Mossy keyes
Cathal Murphy.   T. Cuddy.       Shaun fitzpatrick
P. Rafter.       Duggan.   Noah quinlan

Big commitment all round. Very positive to see shaun Fitz in. Lot to offer both codes that chap. Another 10 plus subs came on. So plenty of fine talent to work with.

Have you any idea who the ten subs were?

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Is Paddy Purcell taking a year out ?

No. He's back though don't know where he was yesterday possibly covid related. Ciaran mcevoy missing with a broken finger along with injuries to cha and pj scully. Good to see Cheddar attempting to increase the depth of squad. But we seemed to be lacking in the S&C department.
In other news the u20s played out a competitive draw with a strong Limerick outfit
yesterday. James duggan scored 3-02. Surely worth a look at senior level.

Positive to see u20s competing well, a bit of hope for this team although i wouldnt get carried away. Galway will be very strong and KK are always so hard to beat. Limerick were munster minor champions at this level but they have Colin Coughlan, Cathal O Neill and an amazing talent in Adam English on the senior panel so they may not have been playing against us. What sort of a team did we have out do you know. Any dreaded non committals? An effort should be made to get D Dooley involved if at all possible. Probably no chance of it.

Started
1. Finian cuddy
B. Bredin.    Danny brennan.    Ian shanshsn
N. Coss.     Fionan mahony.    P. Brennan
         Rian Edwards.   Mossy keyes
Cathal Murphy.   T. Cuddy.       Shaun fitzpatrick
P. Rafter.       Duggan.   Noah quinlan

Big commitment all round. Very positive to see shaun Fitz in. Lot to offer both codes that chap. Another 10 plus subs came on. So plenty of fine talent to work with.

Have you any idea who the ten subs were?

Lawson
C. Comerford
K. Dunne
Not sure of the rest.

Didn't get down to Callan this afternoon was listening on KCLR in 2nd half. Laois seemed to tire middle of 2nd half and a mix of Kilkenny kicking into gear.

Good to see John Lennon back even if he only got a half game. Hopefully gets a good run injury free this year.

Didn't make the match but was very disappointed not to win that game . Looking at the kk team sheet it was a team of unknowns. We had at least ten championship starters . What are kk going to be like in league when they'll be much stronger. That was a match that we should have targeted for the win.  Great to see John Lennon back hurling. He has suffered enough over the past two years with injuries . The second half fade out would also worry me a bit. A lot of work to do before the tipp game.

Yeah, they probably should have pushed on to win that. However, it had all the hallmarks of a Walsh cup match. Lads straight back into the team with no training done, experiments everywhere, loads of changes and heavy legs in the second half.

Lots of work to do but a decent panel building.

Decent performance from Laois. Too many wides in the first half though and from commentary, there were a few goal chances but a poor final pass scuppered the chance.

Also, two 'professional' fouls by KK men to stop a Laois man going for goal.

Anyhow bar brownie points there wasn't anything else for a victory so at least they got a good contest for most of the game.

Plenty of fine tuning to be done before the start of the league and into the championship. Games will be thick and fast so need all available players.

Big game saturday evening. Tipp have been rocked by Paudie Mahers retirement. They will also got a little set back against Kerry.
They will have a different team out to the one that played Kerry though and they will come all guns blazing to portlaoise on saturday evening gunning for the win.
They are in transition though and are down brendan and paudie maher and bubbles from last year along with a couple more so I do think they are a little vulnerable.

How are we fixed? There is very little coming out from the laois camp. Cheddar has been quiet. The walsh cup wasnt great but i suspect there was a lot of heavy training going on at the time.
Hopefully we are in good shape personnel wise and we dont have many injuries going into the game. Anyone have an update? Cha will be a loss but hopefully he'll be back later in the league.
Otherwise i do hope the management team have targeted this game and are ready to give it an almighty go. I dont think a win is beyond us if we are right and it would be some start to the year.
Heres hoping, Laois ABU

Unfortunately, the Kerry win against Tipp will make sure they are not complacent against us.

Would imagine most of the team will be made up of the U20/U21 all-Ireland winning teams of the last few years with a spine from their older lads (Ronan Maher, Noel and John McGrath, Jason Forde, Seamus Callanan).

Hard to know how we will go but would take a competitive showing.

Well, I'd say that was as much down to Tipp's inadequacies as any brilliance from our lads. A four point loss, we'll certainly take - especially when we were so toothless up front, and when we played most of the second half with Purcell sent off. Picky was our only starter who scored from play (didn't he get the touch for the goal, too?), and he seemed to run out of steam a bit in the second half, too. Keyes, in fairness, was lively enough when he came in, and his 0-3 should see him start the next day. I hope. Where's the likes of P.J. Scully? Not the answer to all our prayers, I know, but he'd be an option, and had been improving.
Odd. I know it was a bad night, but the big crowd was practically dead, and there was no sense at all, even when they got it back to three in the last quarter, that Laois could get anything from this. Only for a couple of missed goal chances (not that Tipp hadn't), and a lot of wides in the first half (most of them carried to the same side by the wind), and Laois could easily have threatened what was a pretty mediocre Tipp team.
I suppose the positive thing is that we did quite well in the backs with some good last-gasp defending and not conceding a goal was nice. Podge Delaney stood out but, in fairness, none of the backs had a poor game. Fiachra Fennell did well in the middle but, as said, we need more up front. The Tipp lads had us for size almost everywhere, and our bench didn't seem especially inspiring or indicative of any great depth.
Anyway, we'll see. Not too bad for starters, and plenty of room for improvement!

Thought Laois were decent enough tonight for our first league game of the season. Hartnett was very good throughout and mopped up alot of ball - he covered some amount of ground too. Rowland was excellent with only two poor puckouts, but made up for these errors with a few fine saves. Thought Ryan Mullaney was quite jittery and fumbled a fair amount of ball - a few wayward passes too that could have cost us more than a few points.
Paddy Purcell getting a red was totally out of character for him. Didn't get a great view of the incident and thought the Tipp lad made a drama out of whatever contact there was. Our two missed goals and half dozen or more wides cost us a better result tonight. Roddy was not his usual self. Keyes was a joy to watch when he came on - very tigerish and up for the attack at all times. Felt sorry for Flanagan who came on and just couldn't catch a break. Comerford was too slow to react to a high ball coming in towards the end, had he made his run a second sooner he would have planted a goal.
A fair few of the Laois lads looked bulked up - perhaps it was the white jersey, but they look like they've been in the gym. Our first touch was a little off in general - though how much did the weather play into that? We need a little more sharpness in directing our passes - Tipp were light years ahead in that department and the difference in placed passes were glaringly obvious.
Waterford away next week will be a tough slog and they'll remember their near nightmare against us last summer, so we won't be bringing any element of surprise to Walsh Park. Overall would be happy with how we hurled tonight - though during the latter parts of the second half we allowed our CF line to drift well back which starved us of better attacking options.

Not much point being in the gym and bulked up and only one player that started scoring from play. What's the story with Corby not starting he was the best club player in laois this year. Podge Delaney had a fine game.

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Not much point being in the gym and bulked up and only one player that started scoring from play. What's the story with Corby not starting he was the best club player in laois this year. Podge Delaney had a fine game.

What did he do when he came on? Same with Jordan Walshe?!
Obviously it's not good that only one of the starters could score from play, but we've been saying for years that Laois don't have the physique other teams have. I think spending time in the gym early in the year would be a good idea!

The gym had very little to do with all the terrible wides and missing an open goal chance in the first half. The shooting was shocking. I thought Laois looked well bulked up to be honest. Hurling skills in the forwards was the only difference between the two teams.

Even with Tipp in transition, their team tonight was packed with talented hurlers who have been competing and training at a high level for a number of years.
We've a long way to go and we know it.

Think Conway was a big loss. He's a great man-marker and carries the ball well.
Unfortunately, our forwards don't win enough 50/50 balls so we need ball carriers bringing the ball into the middle third. Long and direct isn't an option for us. Cha back will help somewhat.

Just not convinced by our half-back line. Fine hurlers individually but they're all centre-backs and I think one will need to make way as our left-half back spot is a concern.

Bench looked light to be fair.
I said weeks ago I thought Keyes was worth his place and I still think he is. Easy to be smart and say it after he scored 3 points but one of his best strengths is that his touch is good and he gets a strike away quickly. Think we need that. We've enough runners around him.

Waterford is another tough one next weekend.

Some people here look at yourselves and the shoreline we did super these are not too long all Ireland champions and yes they deserve respect players and management well done working off a small pool 🙂👍

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Not much point being in the gym and bulked up and only one player that started scoring from play. What's the story with Corby not starting he was the best club player in laois this year. Podge Delaney had a fine game.

What did he do when he came on? Same with Jordan Walshe?!
Obviously it's not good that only one of the starters could score from play, but we've been saying for years that Laois don't have the physique other teams have. I think spending time in the gym early in the year would be a good idea!

Didn't Corby not get on until the 69 minute. I'm not sure how he could influence the game with that cameo.

I know the conditions were atrocious but I thought that too many of our lads didn't really reach the levels of intensity needed to win a game like that. At least 6 or 7 were well below what we know they're capable of. I thought the substitutions were a bit slow in coming too.

Having said that, there were some real standout performances - Podge Delaney was probably the best player on the field. Sean Downey and Hartnett were really good. Jack Kelly did ok and Picky was very good. In this league though, we'll need all 15 to be going well.

It's a shame - I didn't think Tipperary were up to much really.

Laois showed promise and definite progression from last season. However, still plenty to work on- shooting was poor at times, lost too many of the physical battles for possession and some of the starting 15 didn't hit the standards you would normally expect of them. I would say that defensively, Cheddar will be somewhat happy-Tipperary are a side who score plenty of goals and that didn't happen at the weekend. Also when we were down to 14 players, Tipperary were unable to open the floodgates-Laois continued to battle and matched up well right to the final whistle. You can see though why Cheddar opened the door for Cha to return last season. His ability to win 50/50 battles and strike from distance was badly missed on Saturday. There are about 10 players realistically vying for 6 starting berths in the forward line. I would imagine Cheddar will rotate over the next couple of games and each player will have the opportunity to stake a claim for starting position come the start of the championship. Outside of Maher, those who started in the forwards on Saturday will know they need to put in a much improved performance the next day out.

Any word on MArk Kavanagh and how he's doing recovery wise?

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I know the conditions were atrocious but I thought that too many of our lads didn't really reach the levels of intensity needed to win a game like that. At least 6 or 7 were well below what we know they're capable of. I thought the substitutions were a bit slow in coming too.

Having said that, there were some real standout performances - Podge Delaney was probably the best player on the field. Sean Downey and Hartnett were really good. Jack Kelly did ok and Picky was very good. In this league though, we'll need all 15 to be going well.

It's a shame - I didn't think Tipperary were up to much really.

I agree 100%. We had the hurlers on the field and quite a few performed well below their own standards, especially in the forwards. We probably gave them a bit too much respect. I thought Tipp were pretty poor by their own standards and quite a few of their hurlers won't make it to be Tipp senior hurlers come summer time. The key difference was the scores they got when they got the chances. They took them, we didn't. Both teams created about the same across the match.

3 savage points from James Keyes when it mattered from way out the field against the wind. Has to slot in the next day.

Seemingly he's recovering from surgery and probably isn't ready for a full game. Keyes, that is.
P.J. Scully broke a finger in training, and ought to be back soon.

Any word on a team for Sunday?

Hopefully our forwards are a bit sharper. Waterford came through a very tough test last week and at home in Walsh Park they will be formidable.

Will Keyes start I wonder?

According to https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/02/13/your-guide-to-the-game-as-laois-hurlers-travel-to-waterford-for-latest-national-league-action/

Our team today is: Enda Rowland; Diarmuid Conway, Sean Downey, Donnchadh Hartnett; Podge Delaney, Liam O'Connell, Ryan Mullaney; Fiachra C Fennell, Jack Kelly; Stephen Bergin, John Lennon, Ross King; Ben Conroy, Willie Dunphy, Stephen Maher.

Patrick Purcell out on suspension.

No shortage of big hitters on the Deise side: WATERFORD: Billy Nolan; Conor Gleeson, Conor Prunty, Iarlaith Daly; Jack Fagan, Tadhg de Burca, Tom Barron; Carthach Daly, Jack Prendergast; Patrick Curran, Austin Gleeson, DJ Foran; Stephen Bennett, Ciaran Kirwan, Colin Dunford.

Hopefully we'll be competitive at least - hard to see a draw or a victory for us.

Pity there is no live-stream anywhere. Unable to travel so will be scanning the radio-waves looking for commentary. I doubt the Sunday Game will have highlights.

Antrim were close enough to Dublin last night - four points in it, coming on the back of a good performance against the Cats last week. If we are hunting down a win in this division, it ain't gonna be easy got.

O Lord jesus this is shocking performance down here in waterford worst than when cork scored 10.20 again them.

Got their anuses handed to them today, ah sure summer might be different.

Jesus, it was us who were crucified, not the Good Lord himself.

Terrible result. That black card shite should be got rid of also.

Think if we had an outside manager there would be lot of people calling for a change.
Something isn't working. We all know that this league is going to be very tough but that's a worrying scoreline.

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Think if we had an outside manager there would be lot of people calling for a change.
Something isn't working. We all know that this league is going to be very tough but that's a worrying scoreline.

That's a disgraceful score line. No 2 ways about it.

Shocking,carved open thru the centre to easily,hard watch.need a big man on half forward line too.hard take positives out of it

I assume they wouldn't have been targeting this game, so hopefully in the middle of real tough training spell. Or something. Still and all - embarrassing.

Shocking. All the main damage done within 5 minutes in the first half.

Half back line, except Podge, too immobile. Someone said it last week that we cant afford 3 natural slowish centre backs on the same line. Maybe stick Fonzy into centre forward where he can win a few balls, Mullaney centre back where he is at his best with Jack Kelly and Podge on the wings. Wouldn't have been enough today as we were wide open everywhere.

Forwards missing easy chances again. Good to see PJ back.

Poor stuff. Laois far more competitive in the league under Brennan and Eamonn Kelly. Yes Kelly. I remember going and seeing decent performances away to Limerick in 2018 (who went on to win All Ireland), home to Galway under lights a few weeks later ( All Ireland champions at the time) when they should have beaten them. Good pattern to their play and very competitive. Yes the Joe McDonagh was poor under him but Laois have been decent enough in the League for the past 5/6 years. At least competitive, this was terrible. A big reaction needed by the entire group the next day out.

Simple as we are shocking yee can dress it up all you want were a small county with nothing to add for the future 7-31 🤦‍♂️

I left early cuuldnt watch it after 15 mins of the second half .

Truth is we will never ever compete with the big 9 as I call them .

Wins over Westmeath Kerry Carlow Kildare Meath etc is our level .

We might beat Antrim 1 game in 3 and maybe catch a team like Dublin or wexford if they were very below par but that's where we will always be at in the small.ball game.

You can blame Cheddar or who you like but it's just not in this county we dont have the pool of players to pick from

It's very easy to come on here being critical after a heavy beating but I don't agree that we don't have the players to be competitive or that we'll never have them.

I must say I don't like the current management team continually talking about "the gap". I don't see how this serves any purpose. Eddie Brennan wasn't talking about the gap - he had lads going out there fighting like dogs and being fully invested in the project. We are a small county with a limited supply of players so it's especially important that each one of them is fully primed at all times.

I wasn't at the game yesterday so I don't know what happened. However, just a week earlier, most of the Laois backs were very good indeed against Tipperary so it's not just about the quality of the players.

You'd like to see a proper reaction against Kilkenny next day out. If we don't see that, then questions will certainly be asked about the management.

All teams have bad days out, fair enough this was what seems like 7 or 8 mins of total collapse, but no point beating the lads over it as no one will feel as bad about such a beating as they will. They have to move on and learn from it, its up to them to show us what tehy are made of the next day out against Kilkenny. I would be equally concerned about the discipline of yet another sending off, as at this level you cannot afford it.

Laois actually competed well enough for the first 20/30 mins but once Waterford hit their stride and went for the goals we were gone.

It was a bad day no doubt but it's been a long time since we took that sort of trimming.

Although missing a few it wasn't a bad team that started but there were lot's of little mistakes, bad passing, fumbling etc.

What changes if any should be made for the KK game?

Purcell back but Conroy gone. Bar PJ Scully I can't see anyone making a huge difference.

Maybe not so much in terms of personnel but some of the positional changes suggested by Blueandwhite above might make a big difference.

Unfortunately other counties will have taken note of Laois' frailties when players with power and pace run at them. The red sea didn't open up as quick for Moses as the Laois defence did on Sunday for the Waterford players. A rethink of our defensive strategy is required. As the ground hardens up, you'd be fearful of even more damage being inflicted.

Conroy out with cruciate,I don't think cheddar will change fonsey out of centre back which is shame,jack Kelly does need go wing back,tracking runners is not his strong suit.we need few more doggers in forwards,all like it nice and handy up there bar Willie dunphy in my opinion.

Has Conroy done his Cruciate?

Yes Conroy did cruciate

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Yes Conroy did cruciate

Again? The poor hoor. Speedy recovery to him.

How did he do that? Wasn't during the game.

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Conroy out with cruciate,I don't think cheddar will change fonsey out of centre back which is shame,jack Kelly does need go wing back,tracking runners is not his strong suit.we need few more doggers in forwards,all like it nice and handy up there bar Willie dunphy in my opinion.

In fairness Roddy and Picky well able to win their own ball too but I agree with you in general, need more fighters on the half forward line in general.

Any word on Cha?

Back doing a bit af training but few weeks out

Decent first half again but over ran in the second half and another big defeat. Whatever is happening it will need to be sorted for championship.  Antrim will beat us based on results so far and then it's a play off against Offaly.

Very poor performance from Laois yesterday. Easily one of Rowland's poorest days minding the net too - he had some woeful puckouts. Laois looked like a team not interested in competing yesterday. Alot of ball watching and taking too long to react to situations.

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Decent first half again but over ran in the second half and another big defeat. Whatever is happening it will need to be sorted for championship.  Antrim will beat us based on results so far and then it's a play off against Offaly.

Which Offaly will probably win.

There is certainly a stale-ness about the team and performances at the moment. It will need to improve if we want to stay in Division 1.

Not much evidence of development in how we are hurling. Determined to copy the same mistakes week in / week out.

The Antrim / Waterford result will be a sobering one for us.

Yea totally agree Rowland poor,we are not improving,hard to see it fixed if he still sticking to same system.thought Lennon wasn't great at sweeper but can see the confidence drained out of the team,can it be turned around??

Playing Lennon as a sweeper with the wind not very poistive by a mangerment team🤔

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Very poor performance from Laois yesterday. Easily one of Rowland's poorest days minding the net too - he had some woeful puckouts. Laois looked like a team not interested in competing yesterday. Alot of ball watching and taking too long to react to situations.

Wasnt at the game but you say Laois didnt look like they wanted to compete. Thats very worrying. Does some of this stem from the tactic of trying to use short ball eg puckouts and attempting to create situations where we have cheap non contested ball in non threatening parts of the pitch. Then we shoot from distance before retreating again. Its sniper type hurling and its why we score so few goals, have so many wides from long distance and invite teams onto us. Its a poorer version of Wexford under Davy. We will generally hit 17 to 20 pts but concede 2, 3 or 4 twenty something. Must be v tough playing in a constantly outnumbered forward line.

Big game Sunday. Televised live on tg4. Its a home game against Antrim. We beat them reasonably easily last year in the championship. I have no doubt that we have the players to beat Antrim. Something doesn't seem to be right at the minute within the camp but a win here could keep us from relegation and set us up for the championship. On paper at the moment our team looks solid enough. We need to get hartnett back in corner back. Not sure if he's injured? Other players that have done it at this level in the past need to find form. Now is the time lads.
Its also a huge game for the management. This game will tell a lot of them also. We need to win simple as.

I wouldnt have any expectation of a Laois win Antrim tbh

basing it on form lines alone

KK bet us by 17,they bet Antrim by 4 and Antrim fought them all the way

Antrim had a penalty to beat Waterford with the last puck of the ball and McManus drove it over the bar

Our Performance v Waterford

I dont think anyone needs to be reminded about

It was always going to come down to beating Offaly in a relegation final.

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Big game Sunday. Televised live on tg4. Its a home game against Antrim. We beat them reasonably easily last year in the championship. I have no doubt that we have the players to beat Antrim. Something doesn't seem to be right at the minute within the camp but a win here could keep us from relegation and set us up for the championship. On paper at the moment our team looks solid enough. We need to get hartnett back in corner back. Not sure if he's injured? Other players that have done it at this level in the past need to find form. Now is the time lads.
Its also a huge game for the management. This game will tell a lot of them also. We need to win simple as.

Hartnett out injured . Another 5/6 weeks before he's back in contention .

Quote from: clonadmad on March 03, 2022, 11:05:21 AM
I wouldnt have any expectation of a Laois win Antrim tbh

basing it on form lines alone

KK bet us by 17,they bet Antrim by 4 and Antrim fought them all the way

Antrim had a penalty to beat Waterford with the last puck of the ball and McManus drove it over the bar

Our Performance v Waterford

I dont think anyone needs to be reminded about

It was always going to come down to beating Offaly in a relegation final.

Yep. A great year for us is that we win one league match (like beating Antrim next Sunday) and avoid relegation play-off. But a good year is to win the league and championship relegation play-offs and a creditable championship performance. Might be a low ambition but it is where we are. I agree that we have the players but the performances this year have been poorer than last year so far. Antrim are definitely a step up but then again they were at their best last year in the league but we were much better than them in the Championship. They could give us at trimming on Sunday based on how we are going so far and we could still manage to beat Offaly and hold onto our Liam McCarthy status.

No word on a hurling team for Sundays game same as last week what the story here?

Unfortunately our level is the level below were currently operating

Quote from: clonadmad on March 03, 2022, 11:05:21 AM
I wouldnt have any expectation of a Laois win Antrim tbh

basing it on form lines alone

KK bet us by 17,they bet Antrim by 4 and Antrim fought them all the way

Antrim had a penalty to beat Waterford with the last puck of the ball and McManus drove it over the bar

Our Performance v Waterford

I dont think anyone needs to be reminded about

It was always going to come down to beating Offaly in a relegation final.

I'd say that above was printed off an pinned up in the Laois dressing room for motivation.

Good performance today from the lads. What on earth happened for Jack Kelly to get red-carded? Great effort from the lads when their backs were to the wall numerically. Cha's finishing point was sweet.

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Quote from: clonadmad on March 03, 2022, 11:05:21 AM
I wouldnt have any expectation of a Laois win Antrim tbh

basing it on form lines alone

KK bet us by 17,they bet Antrim by 4 and Antrim fought them all the way

Antrim had a penalty to beat Waterford with the last puck of the ball and McManus drove it over the bar

Our Performance v Waterford

I dont think anyone needs to be reminded about

It was always going to come down to beating Offaly in a relegation final.

I'd say that above was printed off an pinned up in the Laois dressing room for motivation.

Good performance today from the lads. What on earth happened for Jack Kelly to get red-carded? Great effort from the lads when their backs were to the wall numerically. Cha's finishing point was sweet.

I couldn't care less

Some performance

Down 14 men for 40 mins and we pulled it off

League place secured now regardless

Great win well done. But if Antrim beat Tipp we are in bother.

Quote from: Laois man on March 06, 2022, 06:25:10 PM
Great win well done. But if Antrim beat Tipp we are in bother.

Nope. Tipp beat KK and ourselves so we're safe.
And they'll beat Antrim too.

Delighted for the lads. Extra pace in defence was very important. Allows us to go man-for-man. Thought Picky really stood up wit Cha, Dunphy and Purcell all excellent too. What a point to win it.

Didn't look like a red card from the stand but seemigly it was clear-cut on tv.

Quote from: Laois man on March 06, 2022, 06:25:10 PM
Great win well done. But if Antrim beat Tipp we are in bother.

https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/allianz-hl-d1-laois-edge-out-antrim/

"It is a win that means they are safe for another year at this level with a game to spare as Antrim cannot catch them.

Even if the Saffrons defeat Tipperary next week and Laois lose to Dublin, Laois will stay ahead of them on the head to head rule.

Antrim will face either Offaly or Limerick in the relegation playoff after the round robin phase of the competition concludes."

We're safe!

Quote from: Laois man on March 06, 2022, 06:25:10 PM
Great win well done. But if Antrim beat Tipp we are in bother.

No it will come down to head to head

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Quote from: Laois man on March 06, 2022, 06:25:10 PM
Great win well done. But if Antrim beat Tipp we are in bother.

https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/allianz-hl-d1-laois-edge-out-antrim/

"It is a win that means they are safe for another year at this level with a game to spare as Antrim cannot catch them.

Even if the Saffrons defeat Tipperary next week and Laois lose to Dublin, Laois will stay ahead of them on the head to head rule.

Antrim will face either Offaly or Limerick in the relegation playoff after the round robin phase of the competition concludes."

We're safe!

Imagine getting to a relegation decider and you have to play Limerick  :o

Well done to our hurlers who have guaranteed yet another year at the very top level. Huge achievement.

Real gutsy performance and win. The momentum was all with Antrim going into the last few minutes but Laois dug deep and got over the line. You can't beat that bit of class as Cha showed to win the game. Went one way but knew he'd be blocked so turned and shot over his other shoulder. Brilliant point.

Great to have a Laois game on TG4 that was entertaining and we won. Great finish for the neutral.

I wasn't at the game but it was a very poor Laois crowd in to witness a great performance. When Antrim got moving you could really hear their crowd.

Lastly it was brilliant to win the way we did with it being Jack Nolan's last game (although he hinted he might be back). He's seen a lot more bad days than good but then again what's seldom is wonderful.

Best of luck to Jack and hopefully we hear him again behind the microphone.

Took great character to win that match. Although we have huge room to improve and quite a few players are hurling well within their ability, it was a super result with 14-men.

Rowland and the full back line hurled well. Still not convinced about the mix in the half back line but at times did well to turn the ball over. Struggled when Antrim ran at them. When Hartnett comes back into the corner it gives us more options on the wings. Fiachra did well in the middle. Paddy Purcell, Cha and Picky were excellent. James Keyes certainly showing more and more that he can add a lot and will learn from that sort of a cauldron. Good to see PJ back and contributing. I hope we can improve now for the Dublin match. 

Interesting to see Westmeath beaten by Down and Carlow held by Kildare. The ranks of the second tier (of which I would still count us) are busier than they used to be.

Yes, I agree. It was great to get the win but there is really a lot of room for improvement.

The discipline seems really pretty poor and I'm not just talking about red cards. I don't know what the stats are but we seemed to give away a load of frees. We got away with it yesterday but 9 times out of 10, you won't get away with that. And despite the excitement of the game, I still don't think we have really reached the intensity levels that we are capable of.

While we talk about indiscipline I think that because it's a laois player then refs are more inclined to give a red. Take Jack Kelly's pull..... If a tipp or kk or limerick player did it would it be a straight red?? Gearoid Heagarty pulled twice across a clare man's head and still only got a second yellow. Smaller teams get harsher punishments I feel. As a further point how many times did laois players get shoulders to the head yesterday with no sanction. I counted at least 3 which were worthy of reds in my opinion

Great get win,players really dug it out,Antrim didn't help themselves with all wides and didn't make many overlaps with extra man.still not convinced on half back line,Purcell put in great shift.would love to see a full press up on Dublin next day out.keyes is really laying down a marker.be great to see Corby get full run out against Dublin too

Quote from: Jd on March 07, 2022, 01:08:57 PM
While we talk about indiscipline I think that because it's a laois player then refs are more inclined to give a red. Take Jack Kelly's pull..... If a tipp or kk or limerick player did it would it be a straight red?? Gearoid Heagarty pulled twice across a clare man's head and still only got a second yellow. Smaller teams get harsher punishments I feel. As a further point how many times did laois players get shoulders to the head yesterday with no sanction. I counted at least 3 which were worthy of reds in my opinion

Not sure I would agree to be honest. If you are caught pulling across a players chest with a hurley at any level, club or county, it is probably going to be a deserved red card. Especially when the match is on telly, and especially in the league. Limerick have got their fair share of reds this year for pulling on lads. Completely accept that it is not always punished consistently but if you pull across someone, but it is highly likely that you are going to the line no matter what county you are from. Jack Kelly seemed to know himself yesterday that he was in trouble. 

Yes, the point is that in both Paddy's case and in Jack's (I didn't see Conroy's), there didn't seem to be any obvious reason why they would use the hurl like that. Sometimes lads are provoked or whatever but in those two cases, it really couldn't be justified (unless I was missing something). To me, it shows that something is not quite right in lad's heads which I also think is linked to the various collapses that we've already seen this year.

This was some win. Massive credit has to go to the players and management here. Morale must have been on the floor after the waterford and kilkenny games and to put in that performance with a man down for 50 minutes is really impressive. It  shows the commitment these lads have for laois hurling and the resolve they have when all seems lost.
A few points to note.
1. I really cant understand why we were getting such hammerings. I suggested before that these lads are a lot better than that. Other lads on here said that we were below Antrims level. I totally disagree with that. Antrim were hugely competitive against dublin, kk and waterford so why were we not? I think this needs to be really looked at and collectively the team and management need to identify why it happened and make sure that it doesnt happen again. We put in a savage performance against a far stronger waterford team in the championship last year.
2. The sending offs obviously are not helping. This needs to be addressed asap. We simply cannot afford it and got away with it on Sunday. Any minor thing off the ball now is a red and we need to wise up this, there is no excuse for it. We must get into the mind set of ball ball ball all the time.
3. Antrim were poor, really poor but for a change we appeared to be better set up that our opponents and used the ball far better. We need to hone in on this and be sure that we are giving ourselves a chance of winning games.
4. More Antrim support than laois. Really disappointed that we cant get some bit of a crowd at our home games. When we are going well the laois people will turn out but after the last couple of matches have turned people off going. There should be a drive now to get a big crowd for the first round of the championship. Hurling clubs should be taking buses of kids to play challenge games and then going on to the laois match afterwards. The Co board along with laois gaels need to reach out to the clubs and pull in their support for this. The players are putting in massive efforts its the least they deserve

Along with the red cards I feel another area we need to focus on is our frustration. Watching the games, some of our players (both hurling and football) argue with every single decision made. This is just using up mental energy and leads to loss of focus. I doubt very much we'll ever see a situation where the ref will say "Jayz, do you know what Willy you're right, That WAS a wrong decision. I'll give it the other way".

Get on with the decision regardless of what it is. Keep the concentration. Focus on the next ball only.

Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2022, 08:58:08 AM
This was some win. Massive credit has to go to the players and management here. Morale must have been on the floor after the waterford and kilkenny games and to put in that performance with a man down for 50 minutes is really impressive. It  shows the commitment these lads have for laois hurling and the resolve they have when all seems lost.
A few points to note.
1. I really cant understand why we were getting such hammerings. I suggested before that these lads are a lot better than that. Other lads on here said that we were below Antrims level. I totally disagree with that. Antrim were hugely competitive against dublin, kk and waterford so why were we not? I think this needs to be really looked at and collectively the team and management need to identify why it happened and make sure that it doesnt happen again. We put in a savage performance against a far stronger waterford team in the championship last year.
2. The sending offs obviously are not helping. This needs to be addressed asap. We simply cannot afford it and got away with it on Sunday. Any minor thing off the ball now is a red and we need to wise up this, there is no excuse for it. We must get into the mind set of ball ball ball all the time.
3. Antrim were poor, really poor but for a change we appeared to be better set up that our opponents and used the ball far better. We need to hone in on this and be sure that we are giving ourselves a chance of winning games.
4. More Antrim support than laois. Really disappointed that we cant get some bit of a crowd at our home games. When we are going well the laois people will turn out but after the last couple of matches have turned people off going. There should be a drive now to get a big crowd for the first round of the championship. Hurling clubs should be taking buses of kids to play challenge games and then going on to the laois match afterwards. The Co board along with laois gaels need to reach out to the clubs and pull in their support for this. The players are putting in massive efforts its the least they deserve

Excellent post.

In fairness to Jack Kelly I thought there was a pretty dirty belt aimed at him as he soloed through. He blocked off the belt with his hurl and then retaliated. Still no excuse and he let the team down, but I'm sure he knows that himself.

Personally I would like to see Ryan Mullaney restored to centre back with Jack Kelly and Podge as the half backs. Also Ross is best at 14 I think. 

Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2022, 08:58:08 AM
1. I really cant understand why we were getting such hammerings. I suggested before that these lads are a lot better than that. Other lads on here said that we were below Antrims level. I totally disagree with that. Antrim were hugely competitive against dublin, kk and waterford so why were we not? I think this needs to be really looked at and collectively the team and management need to identify why it happened and make sure that it doesnt happen again. We put in a savage performance against a far stronger waterford team in the championship last year.

Just offering an opinion on this. We just have to be near our best to be competitive with the bigger teams. Despite the close result, we were poor against Tipp. None of the forwards could score from very scorable positions - lads that would normally do much better. Tipp were poor too and the conditions were horrendous so we didn't get a hammering. Against Waterford, we also really struggled to get scores, and couldn't win a ball in the air or on the ground. The backs and midfield were chasing shadows and really suffering from winning no primary possession against arguably the best team in the country at the moment. Our half back line - as has been pointed out here a number of times, lacks the mobility for tracking players when we are cut open. KK was the same story. Couldn't score in the first half when we had the ball and couldn't win the ball in the second half.

I think that when we play well we are better than Antrim and can be competitive. I don't think we were better than them on Sunday, we simply got the scores when it mattered. For long spells, they won every puck out. Antrim regularly cut us open and had a huge number of wides. The sending off didn't help but we are going to lose a lot of games badly if we can't win possession. Our half forward line has been weak in the air for years. You can't 'create' players to fix this but you can change how you play (KK and Wexford for example crowd the middle on puck outs). For sure, pucking it to the corner back and trying to solo past a corner forward is not the answer. The positive thing for me is that more Laois players played well than in previous matches this year, especially in the forwards. There is also a bit more bite than we have seen. However, to be successful we need everyone playing to 100% of their capability, a better defensive balance and a better shape for winning possession. IMHO.

Quote from: Zooming around on March 08, 2022, 10:16:12 AM
Along with the red cards I feel another area we need to focus on is our frustration. Watching the games, some of our players (both hurling and football) argue with every single decision made. This is just using up mental energy and leads to loss of focus. I doubt very much we'll ever see a situation where the ref will say "Jayz, do you know what Willy you're right, That WAS a wrong decision. I'll give it the other way".

Get on with the decision regardless of what it is. Keep the concentration. Focus on the next ball only.

You're probbaly right for most players but some need to play on that edge. Yeah, referees dont change there mind but it def didnt do willie dunphy any harm at the weekend. he gave out constantly but was brilliant.

Quote from: Home Boys Home on March 08, 2022, 11:25:29 AM


Personally I would like to see Ryan Mullaney restored to centre back with Jack Kelly and Podge as the half backs. Also Ross is best at 14 I think. 

Agree completely about Ryan. He's doing ok on the wing but it doesnt suit him. Think we're weaker without him at centreback.

I think Ross might be better midfield. If he's in the full-forward line he's going to be outnumbered 2:3 more often that not. Id prefer to leave likes of dunphy and maybe Cha inside where they can physically make a difference.

King and Purcell midfield would be my ideal set-up. Kelly to half-back and fennell competing with conway and hartnett for corner back spots.

Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2022, 08:58:08 AM

4. More Antrim support than laois. Really disappointed that we cant get some bit of a crowd at our home games. When we are going well the laois people will turn out but after the last couple of matches have turned people off going. There should be a drive now to get a big crowd for the first round of the championship. Hurling clubs should be taking buses of kids to play challenge games and then going on to the laois match afterwards. The Co board along with laois gaels need to reach out to the clubs and pull in their support for this. The players are putting in massive efforts its the least they deserve

I don't know if there was more Antrim support, but they certainly made themselves heard when they got the goal. I suppose the fact the match was on TG4 meant a lot of people just watched it at home? I know it's a bit lame, but that's what happens. Personally, I thought it was nice sunning meself on the terrace! That stand is as cold as anywhere...

Yes, Antrim weren't great. They should have won that, but fair dues to the lads. Obviously the game they were waiting for!

Tell me - what was the story w/ McManus throwing himself on the ground near the end?! Looking for a free no doubt! I'll never forget him getting some Wexford lad put off last year with his histrionics. What a pup!

Dublin put up some score in the first half.

Laois battled gamely with some lovely scores but they never got close enough.

Eventful afternoon for Cha.

Hard to know what to expect from the championship but can't see us making a big impact.

Ah, it was really a game of no consequence. Jordan Walshe seemed to do quite well, but I don't know how many others of the 'fringe players' put their hands up, as they say. It'd be nice to spring a surprise somewhere, and Dublin look the most likely, but the only game we can be expected to win is the Westmeath one. Losing that would be dire - and we nearly lost to them last year in the play-off, and all!

We won a cup with Eddie celebrated like it meant something what cheddar has done is better it's like Laois ballers celebrating div 4 football both laughable been honest

What are you on (about)?!

Quote from: town1980 on April 03, 2022, 11:51:42 PM
We won a cup with Eddie celebrated like it meant something what cheddar has done is better it's like Laois ballers celebrating div 4 football both laughable been honest

Go away with your indecipherable babble.

Quote from: blueandwhite1 on April 04, 2022, 10:51:17 AM

Quote from: town1980 on April 03, 2022, 11:51:42 PM
We won a cup with Eddie celebrated like it meant something what cheddar has done is better it's like Laois ballers celebrating div 4 football both laughable been honest

Go away with your indecipherable babble.

Four posts late last night, all of a similar type, maybe just back home from somewhere

Ciaran comerford and Steven Bergin hurled with Harps and Ballacolla yesterday. Safe to say they've left the panel recently.
Aaron dunphy didn't go traveling either. Such a pity he's not involved.

Looking at a lot of the teams it doesn't look like much emphasis is on leagues right now. I'd say the average number of champ starters from the "top 4" teams was maybe 7.
Couple of teams obvious think that leinster league is better prep. Can't blame them

Div 1a could be a lot more interesting where ballnakill, camross and rathdowney should be strong but I expect Portlaoise and ballyfin to really threaten this year too.
Important that the prem inter doesn't become a proccession for abbeyleix.

Quote from: Robbo on April 11, 2022, 07:24:40 AM
Ciaran comerford and Steven Bergin hurled with Harps and Ballacolla yesterday. Safe to say they've left the panel recently.

Yes, that's true. Also heard Picky was on crutches?

Wille Dunphy is injured i hear aswell. Is there talk Pj Scully is gone off the panel aswell? Can you blame some lads getting no hurling with the County and also not allowed hurled with the club.

Sounds like things are falling apart again.

Quote from: Laois man on April 11, 2022, 11:00:55 AM
Wille Dunphy is injured i hear aswell. Is there talk Pj Scully is gone off the panel aswell? Can you blame some lads getting no hurling with the County and also not allowed hurled with the club.

Don't understand that comment . The league just started last weekend . You don't expect players on a county panel to be involved in league games a week before a championship opener ?

Of course they won't be playing with there clubs a week before leinster Cship. But maybe some lads have got very little game time with there County and have decided there going back to there club to get game time. At the end of the day lads train to get game time.

Anyone know of any broadcast or stream for the Dublin match? Thanks. Raging I can't get in to it.

Not on GAA-GO. Strange. Surely there are cameras at all games if only to gather highlights for The Sunday Game.

Not that strange really . It has not been active in Ireland at all this year .
GAA Go only carry match feeds to their international markets now since restrictions were lifted .

On local radio station I would imagine

Injuries situation is awful.

I've heard picky  dunphy, hartnet and conroy are all out. (Dont think Ben did the cruciate tho so might be back for later games.)
As well as those roddy, Lennon, scully and maka are doubts too.

Quote from: Robbo on April 15, 2022, 08:55:30 AM
Injuries situation is awful.

I've heard picky  dunphy, hartnet and conroy are all out. (Dont think Ben did the cruciate tho so might be back for later games.)
As well as those roddy, Lennon, scully and maka are doubts too.

Hard enough when everyone is fit. Could be a tough day out.

Starting Team:

Rowland

Conway, McEvoy, Downey

Delaney, O'Connell, Mullaney

Kelly, Fennell

Cha, Purcell, Keyes

Roddy, PJ, Dowling

One starter each from ballacolla and Borris/k, Co finalists for last 2 years. Though injuries are an issue.
Great representation from RE.

Going to be a tough ask.

Like the full-back line. Worried about pace on the half line but I'd presume space will be tight there.
Light in the forwards but all able to score. Hard see us get in for any goals bar a run from paddy.

Best of luck to everyone.

Seems like a decent performance, though definitely an opportunity lost.
Hope the injury to Podge isn't too bad...

Quote from: burdizzo on April 16, 2022, 08:14:06 PM
Seems like a decent performance, though definitely an opportunity lost.
Hope the injury to Podge isn't too bad...

Podge broke the collarbone. Gone for 8 weeks I'm hearing

Hard luck to Laois they came very close to Dublin. No dig at cheddar here but we've never beaten a team in the league or championship that are so called the top 9 came close a few times like Galway or Dublin bet cheddar can never seem to get over the line and beat a big team he's there for so long now. Eddie Brennan took 2 years to beat a big team (Dublin).

Quote from: Brandon on April 18, 2022, 10:47:00 AM
Hard luck to Laois they came very close to Dublin. No dig at cheddar here but we've never beaten a team in the league or championship that are so called the top 9 came close a few times like Galway or Dublin bet cheddar can never seem to get over the line and beat a big team he's there for so long now. Eddie Brennan took 2 years to beat a big team (Dublin).

In fairness, we were missing our best forward in Picky and a few more besides. Ross King and Podge injured badly during the match. We need everyone to have a chance so I wouldn't be too hard on them.

Podge is a huge loss. Our best since John Taylor I'd say.

Quote from: Giovanni on April 18, 2022, 09:09:01 PM
Podge is a huge loss. Our best since John Taylor I'd say.

Sad for podge. Brilliant hurler.
Massive loss. Says it all when he was picked captain at that age.

Has a ways to go to be better than Joe fitzpatrick or matt whelan let along a great like Taylor.

U20s tonight V Wexford in Portlaoise. 7.30pm. Live on TG4 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnIEB9579oE

So close...
How Obular's fair shoulder ended up in a 21yd free is beyond me. Fair challenge a giveaway point from the ref.
Twice in the first half ref blew up challenges against us when we should have been given the advantage.
All said, we weren't cute enough in front of goals whereas Wexford looked more like grabbing a goal.
Tynan is some operator - great game by him. Surprised Danny Delaney was brought off - thought he had a great game.
Overall our workrate was impressive.

Quote from: G@@ on April 19, 2022, 01:13:43 PM
U20s tonight V Wexford in Portlaoise. 7.30pm. Live on TG4 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnIEB9579oE

Thanks a lot for posting this. Wasn't able to make the game so was great to see it online.

Very unfortunate tonight. Wexford's backs looked very tight and they were hard to break down but there is plenty to be optimistic about.

It's a real pity that this Laois team had key players that were injured coming into this game along with a couple of guaranteed starters who were unable to commit to U20s this year as well. It's an opportunity lost. Very talented bunch of players over the last two years but unfortunately didn't achieve that big scalp that we hoped they would get.

Kilkenny tomorrow evening in Nolan Park - 5.30pm throw-in.
There doesn't seem to be any online stream of the game - neither GAAgo or TG4 have it listed.

Teams named as follows: (from: https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/04/22/laois-hurling-team-named-for-leinster-championship-clash-with-kilkenny/ )

LAOIS: Enda Rowland;
Fiachra C Fennell, Sean Downey, Donnchadh Hartnett;
Ciaran McEvoy, Liam O'Connell, Ryan Mullaney;
Aidan Corby, Jack Kelly;
Cha Dwyer, Paddy Purcell, James Keyes;
PJ Scully, Jordan Walshe, Mark Dowling

KILKENNY: Eoin Murphy;
Mikey Butler, Huw Lawlor, Tommy Walsh;
Michael Carey, Paddy Deegan, Conor Browne;
James Maher, Adrian Mullen,
Walter Walsh, Padraig Walsh, John Donnelly;
Billy Ryan, TJ Reid, Eoin Cody.


Jordan Walshe at full forward making his debut. I thought he looked the part in our last league game - not afraid to take on a score.
Fennell, Downey and Hartnett will have a tough evening marking Ryan, Reid and Cody. Billy Ryan looked lively against us in the league.

Our half forward line certainly packs a punch. Cha and Purcell are well able to fire over points from distance and angles, they also can burst through on goal also which we will need to do. This KK defence is not the of the same rearguard quality we were accustomed to over the years - so we will have to run at them to test them.

Kelly and Corby at midfield is an interesting pairing. I'd rather Jack back at 5 personally - it is IMHO where he has played his best hurling for Laois at. Eitherways, the two lads will have their hands full containing Mullen who is a sharp and quick operator.

I hope Rowland brings his A game tomorrow night - the last time in Nolan Park he seemed to have a rare off-day with unusual short puckouts at times that seemed off-script.

Looking forward to this - while Kilkenny's stock has fallen in recent years, they are still a force to be reckoned with and I hope we can test them all the way. Not conceding goals - which is hard against Reid and co. is vital for us to live with Kilkenny. Best of luck to the lads and a speedy recovery to Podge and Ross. Hopefully all the lads make it through this week without knocks.

Quote from: Laois Rising on April 22, 2022, 02:29:22 PM
It's a real pity that this Laois team had key players that were injured coming into this game along with a couple of guaranteed starters who were unable to commit to U20s this year as well. It's an opportunity lost. Very talented bunch of players over the last two years but unfortunately didn't achieve that big scalp that we hoped they would get.

Who were injured or unable to commit?

Quote from: Zooming around on April 23, 2022, 01:25:27 AM

Quote from: Laois Rising on April 22, 2022, 02:29:22 PM
It's a real pity that this Laois team had key players that were injured coming into this game along with a couple of guaranteed starters who were unable to commit to U20s this year as well. It's an opportunity lost. Very talented bunch of players over the last two years but unfortunately didn't achieve that big scalp that we hoped they would get.

Who were injured or unable to commit?

Fionan mahoney, ciaran Burke, dylan carroll and David Dooley would have been strong candidtaes to starters. Think that's fair to say.
Injury issues with mossy keyes and cathal Murphy.

Think few others may have added to the panel.

Very poor showing against KK tonight. 2-34 to 1-14 is a horrendous result.
Our wides were woeful. Only positive was our ability to hold off most of the KK goal chances, we were decent enough at snuffing those out.
I cannot understand the approach played by management - our line out and positioning was awful. In addition, the lads seemed to stand off.
Wexford bet tonight means they'll come to Portlaoise next Saturday with a sting in their tail. With our injury list and no doubt a morale that's deflated after tonight's result I fear another rout.

Shocking performance we are so far behind the top teams. Our team set up is so negative its unbelievable.

Quote from: G@@ on April 23, 2022, 07:56:50 PM
Very poor showing against KK tonight. 2-34 to 1-14 is a horrendous result.
Our wides were woeful. Only positive was our ability to hold off most of the KK goal chances, we were decent enough at snuffing those out.
I cannot understand the approach played by management - our line out and positioning was awful. In addition, the lads seemed to stand off.
Wexford bet tonight means they'll come to Portlaoise next Saturday with a sting in their tail. With our injury list and no doubt a morale that's deflated after tonight's result I fear another rout.

Yes, pretty much that. The last-ditch defence was good and Hartnett, Downey, Rowland, and even Macca were all manful in holding KK to two goals. However, we have very little in the forwards, and certainly no 'danger-man'. Purcell's goal was a glimpse of what he can do, but he's not at the level he has been at. Some of the second-half wides were ridiculous.
I know Kilkenny were very good, and a lot of our better lads are out injured, but we really do need to find some sort of scoring threat. I know it's stating the obvious, but 1-14 ain't much.

Indeed, our defence wasn't bad tonight - forcing Kilkenny to take longer range points, however they're fairly clinical in that approach as evident by the 34 white flags.

Tonight we seemed to stand off Kilkenny and give them space - allowing their defence to launch long ball after long ball into our 21yd area. We're not able to catch a ball in the air at all when marked. Kilkenny are masters in the air, even this pale shadow of their former selves of a team are a joy to watch plucking ball out of the sky.

Secondly, the overlap running - Kilkenny built their game and thus their confidence level on this approach and after 20min knew that this strategy was going to deliver for them. We had no answer. At that point we were goosed.

Rowland while solid enough and pulled off two stunning saves, was guilty of poor puckouts at times. I think three in the second half led directly to Kilkenny line balls. Our lads seemed to drift collectively under the big stand for several of these puckouts, each one lost too.

Finally, we hadn't one f**king ounce of luck this evening, not one scuttery breaking ball ended up with a Laois player - half blocked sliothars somehow wobbled and bounced straight to a stripey man. Every. single. f**king. time.

In other good news though - our minors won today with a pull-away 4pt win in Mullingar. Coupled that with our U20 performance the other night -I know they lost, but they were the better hurlers and in contrast to the seniors tonight (those guys knew how to win the aerial battle) we can look forward to a few good additions to the panel in the coming seasons.

I would agree with all of the above.

I have to admit that Kilkenny were better than I thought they would be so it was always going to be a struggle.

Having said that, I just don't get this consistent strategy of giving the ball to a corner back who seems to be instructed to "break tackles" but who 6 or 7 times out of 10 coughs up possession. Kilkenny were playing the ball to their corner backs but they were using the space to find a man 50 or 60 yards down the field rather than running into opponents. I'm looking at this for 2 years now and I just don't get it.

Someone mentioned the negative set up and I fully agree. But it seems that everyone was in the middle third of the field. Despite the negative set up, we always seemed to end up one-on-one with the Kilkenny full forward line, whereas our full-forwards were swamped every time the ball went in. This is very frustrating to watch.

The other thing was the decision-making. Some of our players are really very poor decision-makers. There are too many hail mary efforts when people are in better positions, too many passes to people in bad positions, too many bad positions taken up. It should be possible to work on this in the training ground. In my opinion Walter Walsh is a poor enough hurler skill-wise but he knows his function and he plays it perfectly. He's extremely valuable to the team and will make the right decision nine times out of ten.

On the plus side, they did stay going to the end and there were a few decent performances from the likes of Jack Kelly, Hartnett and Downey. Still, I thought we could have been closer with a more positive set-up and a more positive attitude.

Laois play Wexford in both Minor and Senior hurling at Portlaoise this weekend...
Minors at 1pm Saturday
Seniors at 2.30pm Sunday

Are the GAA trying to piss people off? The travel costs are putting fans off going to matches as it stands, asking them to travel twice on a Bank Holiday Weekend is madness.

Surely somebody in the GAA can rectify this and put it on as a double-header.

Now that Laois footballers won't be playing Meath as part of a double header with hurlers game with Wexford you think some common sense would prevail and switch the minor to be the curtain raiser.

From being at the match in Nowlan park, I got an awful sense of dejavu. Seems like Cheddar is falling into the same trap as last year. There is no game plan. It seems Cheddar has lost the confidence of the team with a number of players leaving the panel before the championship even started. This was clearly shown in Nolan park with only 24 lads fit to play, not even filling the match day 26. Regardless of injuries this is shocking.

The lack of work ethic from the forwards is contagious. There are no ball winners. It's time to try something new, Limerick repurposed Kyle Hayes, we should be looking at trying something similar with the likes of Mullaney.

The half back line and mid fielders seem lost. The scoreline reflected this with the Kilkenny midfielders getting 10 points between them and the half forwards getting approx 12 points under absolutely no pressure. The plan of letting these teams score from out the field is not working, the likes of Kilkenny, Galway, Wexford and Dublin (although we ran them close did hit 18 awful wides) can all score from long distance. We are just giving them free range target practice.

I know the lads are better than this they have shown it before. The only thing that salvaged last year was when the players took control and went 15 on 15 and stopped retreating and stopped listening to Cheddar's game plan.


Fair play to Cheddar for all the years he's given to Laois. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again!

Just hope we stay up this year after Saturday's performance. I'm very worried. Hope they can get over the line against Westmeath!

A lot of talk on the football forum after the humiliation yesterday in Aughrim. It will be interesting to see will there be any action from the co board. Lots of calls for overhaul of co board and underage structures. They better not forget hurling in any actions given the fact that its been neglected for the past 30 years.

Quote from: Laois Rising on April 25, 2022, 01:45:58 PM
Now that Laois footballers won't be playing Meath as part of a double header with hurlers game with Wexford you think some common sense would prevail and switch the minor to be the curtain raiser.

It was the same two weeks ago. Laois played Kildare in minor/U20 hurling on the same day in different venues. Both should have in just in Newbridge. GAA really don't do themselves favours with promoting the game.

At least they are starting the Setanta program again this summer.

Quote from: redsetanta on April 27, 2022, 01:07:35 PM
At least they are starting the Setanta program again this summer.

It must be 3 or 4 years since Setanta was ran.

Great to see setanta program back and hopefully big buy in.agree with laoisabu20 our hurlers look lost.vibe isn't great coming out of camp.i do think we need a change hopefully we stay up firstly

Any update how meeting went last night about setanta restarting? Or who is driving this on hopefully it goes ahead.

Brendan Phelan is the coordinator of the program by all accounts .

Who is Brendan Phelan ?

I think hes a GDA up in Dublin. Might be castleknock club.
But originally from the Harps.

If I'm thinking of the right person he was one of the setanta coaches back when it was at its best.

Hopefully county board take this seriously. Not ideal having the launch night on same day as one of their big fundraisers up in puncherstown.

Quote from: Keyser Söze on April 27, 2022, 09:35:14 PM
Who is Brendan Phelan ?

School teacher and was previously involved with Laois camogie.  GDA experience in dublin and with relevant qualifications . Currently involved with the Harps underage set up.  A person whose had enough mediocrity and has taken it upon himself to try and implement sound underage structures. Fair play to him.

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on April 28, 2022, 01:16:11 PM

Quote from: Keyser Söze on April 27, 2022, 09:35:14 PM
Who is Brendan Phelan ?

School teacher and was previously involved with Laois camogie.  GDA experience in dublin and with relevant qualifications . Currently involved with the Harps underage set up.  A person whose had enough mediocrity and has taken it upon himself to try and implement sound underage structures. Fair play to him.

Harps underage setup seems impressive. Best of luck to him, hope he gets the support he needs from the CB and the clubs.

County hurlers V Wexford this afternoon at 2.30pm.

From: https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/05/01/your-guide-to-the-game-as-laois-hurlers-host-wexford-in-omoore-park/

QuoteThe Laois team in full is: Enda Rowland; Donnacha Hartnett, Ciaran McEvoy, Sean Downey; Jack Kelly, Liam O'Connell, Ryan Mullaney; Paddy Purcell, Fiachra C-Fennell; Ciaran Byrne, Cha Dwyer, James Keyes; Mark Dowling, PJ Scully, Ben Conroy

Hopefully the lads can make amends for the no-show against Kilkenny last week.

Wexford 6-21 v 0-12 Laois.
A 27pt hammering.
This is woeful.
I think Cheddar may just call it a day, while I admire everything he has given to Laois hurling, he obviously isn't up to the task in this modern game.
We need Eddie Brennan back. Urgently.

That second half was disgraceful. Very Evident to see the lads who threw in the towel . Fierce deflating . Even the Wexford lads behind me commenting about how Laois gave up .

Terrible, terrible. At least in Nowlan Park, we actually won a few balls, but we won virtually nothing today. None of the starting forwards scored from play, nor looked like they could. The Galway game will be another massacre, which I reckon few Laois people will have the stomach to watch.

Terrible disheartening,players seem so deflated,cheddar may call it a day.

Who would want to support  them after that display hard to see them beating westmeath is there last game.

Getting relegated to Joe McDonagh does us no favours. We could go on a slide downhill from there. Galway game is a nothing match, but they will need to find a way to lift performance against a Westmeath side who seem to be hurling better at the minute

Minors and U20's had another good year so the future is not as bleak as maybe that scoreline indicated today for Laois.

Sad to see the fight gone out of them. Hopefully they can get a few back and rally for the Westmeath match. No point in being up with the top teams if you can't compete though. Must be soul destroying for everyone involved.

Can't see Eddie Bren returning but all knows we need a change again.
Support is gone completely sadly. Hard to know how we get it back. Best short term scenario is winning a Joe Mc every few years then trying to avoid unmercoful hammerings in leinster.

Worst scenario is Christy ring and you couldn't rule it out.

Eddie Brennans coaching career hasn't exactly progressed the way that was maybe expected after his Laois exit . Ran out of Cuala after an uninspiring year by all accounts.
Not sure he's the guy we want back Involved. 

Time for something fresh.  Would someone like Tommy Fitz be worth a go? Got good experience under Eddie and up in St Thomas's.

I think Peter Quelly from waterford could be a great appointment should Cheddar step down. Hurled a a high level and is a successful club manager in Waterford with only Ballygunner being the team to defeat his teams in Co finals. Knew all about being the underdog yet gets the max out of his teams

Very disappointing results on Sunday. This team has given a huge amount and are currently decimated with injuries.

Tipp lost Paudie Maher, Brendan Maher and few others this year. Its had a huge effect on them. We only had 8 players from the 19/20 used v Dublin in 2019. Thats impossible for Laois to replace. WIllie Dunphy and Ben Conroy in 1st game back from injury. If we got all our injured players back and a fresh approach there is still quite a decent team there with a good age profile.

Fully agree. Not sure I'm a fan of Cheddar's approach to the game but no team would survive all the injuries and the lads not available for us. Statements about hurling in Laois having never been in a worse place are just not correct.

Quote from: Spiritof86 on May 02, 2022, 10:25:45 AM
Eddie Brennans coaching career hasn't exactly progressed the way that was maybe expected after his Laois exit . Ran out of Cuala after an uninspiring year by all accounts.
Not sure he's the guy we want back Involved.

He got the best out of Laois in those two years and we were an exciting team to watch.

Some managers don't suit some counties/clubs, others do. I think EB would be great to have back on board.

100% agree. He had them flying. Would take him back in a heartbeat.

Brennan done a fantastic job but there's more chance of Brian Cody being Laois manager. He well and truly burnt his bridges with the Laois hierarchy. Besides if Laois beat westmeath, cheader will be given the option of staying on.

Cheddar has as much as said this is his final campaign with Laois . The idea of Brennan returning is ludicrous. Neither him or the county board would let that happen again .

Totally agree. No way Brennan will be back in Laois from both perspectives I'd say. He had a very good first year getting a bounce with the team, winning the Joe Mc and v Dublin in Portlaoise and Tipp in Croke Park. Average year 2. In the league : Lost to Wex (11), Dub (8), Clare (8), KK (9), beating only Carlow (1). Lost in Championship to Dublin (14). One decent performance in qualifiers v Clare where Laois ran them to a point. Clare had a man sent off and stopped hurling if memory serves me.
It didn't go to plan in Cuala.

For now Cheddar is in charge of Laois and the entire group needs our support, now more than ever. Crucial that they can get as many as the lads as possible fit and ready to go v Westmeath. Very important to stay up so that the new man coming in (if there is one) has something to build towards.

should read Dublin 8 and Clare 8 in that last post...not sure where the sunglasses came from....!

It only reinforces the difference between top tier and the rest..

If you can't break into that group then the rest like Westmeath/Kerry/Antrim will never bridge that gap..

The only team that has successfully held in there has been Dublin

Injuries have taken the wind and momentum out of the Laois sails this year. It is a pity. The age profile is still good for a lot of our players going forward and with some very decent U20s stepping up over the next couple of years it could be a job with potential for someone. Tommy Fitz would be an excellent shout if he wanted the job. He has served his time as selector and is surely gaining valuable experience with St. Thomas' in Galway coaching one of the top club sides in the country. If he sets up teams to play hurling how he hurled himself it would also help bring the supporters back to O'Moore Park.

Tommy Fitz wouldn't be a bad shout alright .

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/05/04/talking-sport-podcast-would-the-joe-mcdonagh-cup-be-a-better-fit-for-the-laois-hurlers/

What a woeful piece of journalism. Miller and Hartnett should be ashamed of themselves. I seemed to have missed the podcast that suggested that  the footballers would be better off dropping down to the tailteann cup. I can't understand for the life of me why they can't get someone who has an actual understanding of hurling on their podcast. The answer to a bad year of hurling is not to drop down.

Unlike what Miller likes to believe, the problem lies with the management and the county board. Cheddar was a quick fix for an embarrassing situation following the fallout with Eddie Brennan. As I said last year after the match against Wexford, the writing was on the wall. Cheddar doesn't have a game plan, he uses all the correct phrases but if you actually listen to what he is saying it's all fluff and no substance. He doesn't listen to the players at all and the excuses with injuries is just pathetic at this stage. Good players have dropped off the panel, the lads still on the panel are at their wits end and the support from the team has plummeted to an all time low.

I hope Cheddar does the right thing and steps down after this season. He's given a lot to Laois and it would have been better if he retired from inter county management on a high note. Just hoping that the lads can get it together for a win over Westmeath and regroup.

I would be a Cheddar fan in so far as the passion he has for laois hurling cannot be matched. He is also willing to do something about it unlike plenty who do nothing only post negative comments online. However, for the good of our senior team I hope he steps down. Something just isn't working, injuries aside we seem devoid of any confidence and the effort in games is even questionable. Its like as if the players just dont have any hope and just want it over asap.

I would share the views of others on here that we have players to compete at the top level if everything is going right for us. But we need everyone and when you are missing the likes of picky, Roddy, Collier, Podge Delany, Aaron Dunphy, Lee Cleere, Joe Campion, Eanna Lyons etc, it makes things a lot more difficult. I know some lads didnt commit under Brennan but I wonder if someone else was in charge would the likes of Dunphy & Cleere be there? Also we had 4 lads leave the panel a couple of weeks before the first championship match tells us that its not a very happy camp. Its more difficult to keep everyone happy in laois than other counties for some reason. I think there needs to be an investigation into why this is the case. The drop out level in other counties like Carlow, Kerry, Westmeath is not near as bad. Why? For the players that left the panel You would have to question their attitude and ambition throwing in the towel before championship even started.

I would love to see Cheddar given a hurling director role within the county. He has the passion and drive to turn our fortunes around but he would need help

If we talking about successors to Cheddar my no.1 choice would be Diarmuid Mullins.

Quote from: LaoisAbu20 on May 04, 2022, 10:09:58 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/05/04/talking-sport-podcast-would-the-joe-mcdonagh-cup-be-a-better-fit-for-the-laois-hurlers/

What a woeful piece of journalism. Miller and Hartnett should be ashamed of themselves. I seemed to have missed the podcast that suggested that  the footballers would be better off dropping down to the tailteann cup. I can't understand for the life of me why they can't get someone who has an actual understanding of hurling on their podcast. The answer to a bad year of hurling is not to drop down.

Unlike what Miller likes to believe, the problem lies with the management and the county board. Cheddar was a quick fix for an embarrassing situation following the fallout with Eddie Brennan. As I said last year after the match against Wexford, the writing was on the wall. Cheddar doesn't have a game plan, he uses all the correct phrases but if you actually listen to what he is saying it's all fluff and no substance. He doesn't listen to the players at all and the excuses with injuries is just pathetic at this stage. Good players have dropped off the panel, the lads still on the panel are at their wits end and the support from the team has plummeted to an all time low.

I hope Cheddar does the right thing and steps down after this season. He's given a lot to Laois and it would have been better if he retired from inter county management on a high note. Just hoping that the lads can get it together for a win over Westmeath and regroup.

While Laois Today provide an excellent service

Their overwhelming bias is all the time for the big ball

More balance needed

Both are football men with a genuine but passing interest in hurling. They could do with a more heavy hitting hurling person onboard.

Sounds like Laois County Board.

Quote from: burdizzo on May 04, 2022, 11:15:10 PM
Sounds like Laois County Board.

Being too generous here!

I think the lads on the podcast are making some good points. The current system is doing nothing for us. I would prefer to see us getting a mix of matches 'at our level' - Antrim, Westmeath, Offaly, Carlow, Kerry AND a couple of shots at the bigger teams every year, if we earn it. 8 hammerings a year is doing us no good and certainly wouldn't inspire people to join the senior setup. Yes, if we are good enough maybe we can qualify to play only top tier matches but this might never happen, despite the optimism of some die hards. I think the points being made were about thinking differently which I agree with. I'd love to hear what the players think but I suspect they are not loving this.

Quote from: burdizzo on May 04, 2022, 11:15:10 PM
Sounds like Laois County Board.

Like many county boards really. Same problem only worse in Mayo this week. Hard to serve two masters.

Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on May 06, 2022, 06:07:12 PM

Quote from: burdizzo on May 04, 2022, 11:15:10 PM
Sounds like Laois County Board.

Like many county boards really. Same problem only worse in Mayo this week. Hard to serve two masters.

Mayo would be able to serve 2 masters given their population size and resources,if they were arsed

They had no problem allowing the galway footballers in to train in  Castlebar this year

Martin Fogarty was right when he said about the way hurling and hurlers are treated in half the counties

Quote from: burdizzo on May 04, 2022, 11:15:10 PM
Sounds like Laois County Board.

The Laois County Football Board. Been that way for years. Our national game just gets in the way for those boys.

Don't cod ourselves we are  brutal inter county hurling and football lowest of the low this year you can blame the county board but unfortunately I don't think we have the players of old

Quote from: town1980 on May 08, 2022, 10:32:09 PM
Don't cod ourselves we are  brutal inter county hurling and football lowest of the low this year you can blame the county board but unfortunately I don't think we have the players of old

Laois Hurlers are probably ranked 10-11 the footballers are ranked 30-33

You will have to remind me as to the "players of old" and the great all ireland winning teams they were part of

Quote from: town1980 on May 08, 2022, 10:32:09 PM
Don't cod ourselves we are  brutal inter county hurling and football lowest of the low this year you can blame the county board but unfortunately I don't think we have the players of old

Definitely up there with one of your most ridiculous and bizarre outbursts .

Galway at home tonight at 5pm.
Going to be a tough slog for the lads.

Happy with the team. Fennell will be needed back there for his pace.
Going to be a terribly tough evening. We are down just so many options. Wonder wil we see a debut or two from the u20s. I think  a few were called in so maybe parlon, shanahan, Duggan or obular.

2-36 to 0-21.
Not bad in conceded goals, but a hammering otherwise.
Cha off injured along with Dowling.
Hopefully they'll be back for Westmeath.
We'll need them and then some.

Westmeath after drawing with Wexford

We could be in a spot of bother v them

Quote from: clonadmad on May 14, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Westmeath after drawing with Wexford

We could be in a spot of bother v them

Still a winner takes all game?

Is there much point staying up and getting hammered every week??

Quote from: Laois man on May 15, 2022, 08:27:20 AM
Is there much point staying up and getting hammered every week??

That's a very defeatist atttiude

I am not running down the lads but it can't be easy getting beating evert week.

Depressing reading. https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/05/19/injury-crisis-deepens-as-depleted-laois-hurlers-prepare-for-relegation-showdown-with-westmeath/

Won't be broadcast on GAAgo either which is disappointing considering the 6pm start. Perhaps Radio Tullamore Midlands Radio 103 will broadcast it.

All these hamstrings! Is it something they're doing in training?? No one else seems to have injury problems to this level...
If they manage to survive, it'll be some feat.

Team announced: https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/1527762031436349444?s=20&t=8kgJGxVkr4IGl5j8Xm6eug

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTOzeGUWIAEdA6B?format=jpg&name=medium)

Huge match this evening for a few reasons . Retaining Liam McCarthy status and also a loss tonight could tarnish Cheddars legacy a little . He's done more good for Laois hurling than most people in this county and deserves a winning send off .
First time I've seen Westmeath ever  favourites against us in a competitive hurling match but the odds are justified. Hope there's a decent Laois crowd as the team will need it.

Indeed - a huge game. Agree with your sentiments above.

Todays Joe mcDonagh results have thrown up a few things.
Am I reading this right ...The prospect remains bottom Munster team could face Kerry in play-off to determine 2023 Liam MacCarthy Cup place which means Laois and Westmeath result this evening may become irrelevant . ?

Laois to win this evening the team named won't start. Shocking result for Offaly today.

3rd in Leinster and Munster play winner and runner up in joe McDonagh.

Would have no bearing on Laois or Westmeath.

If Kerry win Joe McD, they play-off against bottom Munster team. IF that happens, as Spiritof86 says, there'll be no relegation from McCarthy Cup. I think.

Oh, they must get two games then as they would play third in Leinster if they win. I am hoping they don't win the joe McDonagh mind you.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/breathless-finish-joe-mcdonagh-cup-potentially-drag-tipp-quagmire-261504 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/breathless-finish-joe-mcdonagh-cup-potentially-drag-tipp-quagmire-261504)

Yes you are right. A bit unfair on Kerry having to playoff. Tipp would hammer them.

Heh, heh. Well, Kerry beat Tipp earlier in the year!!

Mind you, I don't fancy Kerry to win the Joe Mc.

In a friendly basically.yes I hope that Kerry do not win the McDonagh!

God, I hope they do - esp. if our lads lose tonight!

 ;D I don't think you will.

We shall see. But Westmeath are deserving favourites. They should have beaten us in the league relegation last year, as well.

Half time Laois 1-11 v 1-12 Westmeath.
They'll have the breeze in the second half.

Getting well beaten, a sad finish to the year. Laois GAA needs to take a good look at itself in the off season

5-24 to 1-18 in the finish.
An 18pt beating.
We're back four or five years when we nearly crashed out of the JMD. We've regressed to Offaly's level.

O my god that was shocking.

P45 for Cheddar.

Quote from: Helix. on May 21, 2022, 07:43:06 PM
P45 for Cheddar.

Unfortunately so. I feel sorry for Cheddar - great dedication for Laois hurling, but his tactics were never great and rarely got the best out of the team.

Compared to Eddie Brennan, the Laois lads were lined out to get the best out of the team.

Where does Laois senior hurling go from here. Hope for a Kerry win next weekend to stay up, or go down to the dog fight that is the JMD Cup?

Laois have been having a bad year in both codes.
Getting rid of Eddie Brennan was a mistake.

Personally, I hope Kerry manage to beat Antrim and we stay up. I still think this is a decent enough team there, and with some talented u20 and minor players coming through, there is rooom for improvement.

I don't see the benefit in dropping down to Joe Mc and possibly stagnating there.

If westmeath can beat us by 18points do we deserve to stay up.?

Quote from: Laois man on May 21, 2022, 09:22:35 PM
If westmeath can beat us by 18points do we deserve to stay up.?

No we do not.
Huge fan of Cheddar. Gutted that he went the first time. Raging the way people here spoke about him.
But it's all over. His time has gone. It's for the betterment of Laois hurling that he steps aside.
Whether we are good or not is one thing. We currently aren't trying. The players aren't applying themselves. Too many won't go in. Those who are there don't appear energized in any way.
To say it isn't working is an understatement.

What a f**king low point for the county to suffer a beating like that at home to Westmeath. I'm sorry that Cheddar and a number of the senior players will be associated with/remembered for that.

To twist CJHs' words "He has done the county some service, we know it. No more of that."
Time is up Cheddar. I just hope Laois County Board approach the matter of replacing him in a serious manner.
Tom Mullally anyone?

Quote from: Laois man on May 21, 2022, 09:22:35 PM
If westmeath can beat us by 18points do we deserve to stay up.?

No. This fantasy that we will improve by playing the better counties is nonsense. We have gotten worse under cheddar. Westmeath outfought us, outhurled us, outpaced us and out thought us. They were much better. This system is awful. If Kerry win they have to beat Tipp to play in the provincial championship and we will stay up! The first year after winning the MacDonagh is usually a decent one. The subsequent ones less so (e.g, Carlow and now Laois). The weaker counties should get a shot at the stronger counties but should only have to be exposed to a couple of hammerings a year. That does not help anyone to get better.

For Laois, we need more top class hurlers. When we are missing a few of our better hurlers as we were for large parts of this year we are not competitive.

Good luck to Westmeath. They looked the part tonight.

Quote from: blueandwhite1 on May 21, 2022, 09:46:46 PM

Quote from: Laois man on May 21, 2022, 09:22:35 PM
If westmeath can beat us by 18points do we deserve to stay up.?

Good luck to Westmeath. They looked the part tonight.

They certainly looked more like InterCounty hurlers in terms of physique than we did.

Is Tom Mullaney still with Carlow? We are training still before Xmas and still look unfit or is it only me?

Relegation is best possible scenario. Rebuild, freshen it up.

Quote from: blueandwhite1 on May 21, 2022, 09:46:46 PM

Quote from: Laois man on May 21, 2022, 09:22:35 PM
If westmeath can beat us by 18points do we deserve to stay up.?

No. This fantasy that we will improve by playing the better counties is nonsense. We have gotten worse under cheddar. Westmeath outfought us, outhurled us, outpaced us and out thought us. They were much better. This system is awful. If Kerry win they have to beat Tipp to play in the provincial championship and we will stay up! The first year after winning the MacDonagh is usually a decent one. The subsequent ones less so (e.g, Carlow and now Laois). The weaker counties should get a shot at the stronger counties but should only have to be exposed to a couple of hammerings a year. That does not help anyone to get better.

For Laois, we need more top class hurlers. When we are missing a few of our better hurlers as we were for large parts of this year we are not competitive.

Good luck to Westmeath. They looked the part tonight.

I don't agree, at some stage they have to face top opposition, and Joe McD is a decent standard as Offaly found out at their expense today. The teams need exposure, Laois had a poor set up this year and shipped some bad beatings but under Brennan they showed what is possible. Just last week Westmeath drew with Wexford, maybe nothing to write home about but tonight Wexford beat the Cats in their own back yard in a cracking game.

Our own lads showed the value of JMcD cup when we won it then beat the Dubs and gave Tipp a game in Croker. Good standard games in the league and Joe McD can really help a coming team before they go take on the bigger fish. I think Laois deserve to go down in all honesty and hopefully we can get a decent set up in place for next year. There are good hurlers in the county and we need to give them the set up they need to get the very best out of them.

Quote from: Laois man on May 21, 2022, 09:53:08 PM
Is Tom Mullaney still with Carlow? We are training still before Xmas and still look unfit or is it only me?

I genuinely think it's disinterested the players are rather than unfit/uncommitted etc.

Unfortunately, the tactics that were employed could only logically produce one outcome. Cheddar had an inherent belief that there was a "gap" and set the team up accordingly. It's very hard to win if you're trying not to lose.

We have good players but we need high intensity and a positive attitude.

Quote from: Giovanni on May 21, 2022, 11:36:47 PM
Unfortunately, the tactics that were employed could only logically produce one outcome. Cheddar had an inherent belief that there was a "gap" and set the team up accordingly. It's very hard to win if you're trying not to lose.

We have good players but we need high intensity and a positive attitude.

Should never been let back in Laois hurling as much as passion as Cheddar has towards Laois hurling. We have regressed and even with injuries players still have a lot to answer for nonetheless. Next appointment will be critical. A straight promotion from Joe McDonagh and nothing less. Thankfully we still have division 1 hurling next year.
Niall Corcoran for the manager gig if we've any chance. Was the cog in the wheel in Eddie Brennan set up and would be a progressive addition.
Regardless of result today Antrim should beat Kerry next day out. Shouldn't be reliant on Kerry to do us favours. Come back up as champions.

Quote from: Giovanni on May 21, 2022, 11:36:47 PM
Unfortunately, the tactics that were employed could only logically produce one outcome. Cheddar had an inherent belief that there was a "gap" and set the team up accordingly. It's very hard to win if you're trying not to lose.

We have good players but we need high intensity and a positive attitude.

I totally agree with this you get out of it the belief you have going into it and that goes mostly for everything in life sports been no exception.

You could see todays result coming for the last 2 years unfortunately we were getting worse with every game played with the exception of the Antrim game.

I realise we had lots of injuries and non committals and that is challenging for sure but at the end of the day they are only excuses to make you feel better.

I'm not familiar with a lot of the hurlers, but on the football side, we're giving jerseys to lads who are average club players. As a county, our reputation expects us to be competitive with certain teams, but we're nowhere near that any more. We absolutely need our best players on the pitch.

Look, Brennan leaving was a blow and we knew it. Cheddar was an appointment to calm things down. Our bad decisions seem to be biting us harder these days and all the while, standards are slipping. Unless someone can tell me otherwise, I believe we should be looking to win the Joe McDonagh if we can get our best lads involved. Therefore, the next appointment is critical. There is zero chance of the footballers doing anything any time soon, and this county is crying out for momentum from somewhere. I know the majority of you would prefer to stay up and I respect that opinion too.

I wasn't at the game but how did we set up tactically? If Cheddar decided to go out and play a very defensive sweeper based system against Westmeath then we were doomed from the start.

Quote from: Giovanni on May 21, 2022, 11:36:47 PM
Unfortunately, the tactics that were employed could only logically produce one outcome. Cheddar had an inherent belief that there was a "gap" and set the team up accordingly. It's very hard to win if you're trying not to lose.

We have good players but we need high intensity and a positive attitude.

Yep, I think that was the difference under Eddie Brennan, he had that winning attitude and the set up such and player obviously responded to that. He was able to get the best out of the players, they bought into that and we played our best hurling in years. We could be playing with a hurricane at our backs and Cheddar would still play a sweeper.

At both codes Laois need to search out and create a management/coaching set up that will get the players to buy into it. It cant be easy for players slogging their guts out at training sessions when deep down they know they are going no where.

Quote from: Joeythelips on May 22, 2022, 10:12:41 AM

Quote from: Giovanni on May 21, 2022, 11:36:47 PM
Unfortunately, the tactics that were employed could only logically produce one outcome. Cheddar had an inherent belief that there was a "gap" and set the team up accordingly. It's very hard to win if you're trying not to lose.

We have good players but we need high intensity and a positive attitude.

Yep, I think that was the difference under Eddie Brennan, he had that winning attitude and the set up such and player obviously responded to that. He was able to get the best out of the players, they bought into that and we played our best hurling in years. We could be playing with a hurricane at our backs and Cheddar would still play a sweeper.

At both codes Laois need to search out and create a management/coaching set up that will get the players to buy into it. It cant be easy for players slogging their guts out at training sessions when deep down they know they are going no where.

What was so good about Eddie apart from beating Dublin?

I'm baffled sometimes about the constant harrowing on about Eddie Brennan and his tactics . We scraped by the Westmeath in the Joe McDonagh final and then a Great one off performance against Dublin that hasn't been replicated since .

In his second year we lost all our league matches apart from one . Failed to win any championship matches  .. the euphoria of that Dublin match needs to be put to bed . A lot of lads living off there reputation from that day .
Brennan isn't all that and that has been clearly proven in his recent spell with Cuala that ended less than harmonious .

Yesterday was difficult to watch . Cheddar will do the right thing now but that man owes Laois nothing. 

Quote from: marty34 on May 22, 2022, 11:30:59 AM

Quote from: Joeythelips on May 22, 2022, 10:12:41 AM

Quote from: Giovanni on May 21, 2022, 11:36:47 PM
Unfortunately, the tactics that were employed could only logically produce one outcome. Cheddar had an inherent belief that there was a "gap" and set the team up accordingly. It's very hard to win if you're trying not to lose.

We have good players but we need high intensity and a positive attitude.

Yep, I think that was the difference under Eddie Brennan, he had that winning attitude and the set up such and player obviously responded to that. He was able to get the best out of the players, they bought into that and we played our best hurling in years. We could be playing with a hurricane at our backs and Cheddar would still play a sweeper.

At both codes Laois need to search out and create a management/coaching set up that will get the players to buy into it. It cant be easy for players slogging their guts out at training sessions when deep down they know they are going no where.

What was so good about Eddie apart from beating Dublin?

The way we hurled. Our touch and tactical setup was better. We were far more positive and looked to be improving. Cheddar is no tactician and his teams always look low on energy and sharpness. He is a great man and would love to see him involved with hurling development in Laois. He also took the job which few others were willing to do.

Quote from: Spiritof86 on May 22, 2022, 12:56:37 PM
I'm baffled sometimes about the constant harrowing on about Eddie Brennan and his tactics . We scraped by the Westmeath in the Joe McDonagh final and then a Great one off performance against Dublin that hasn't been replicated since .

In his second year we lost all our league matches apart from one . Failed to win any championship matches  .. the euphoria of that Dublin match needs to be put to bed . A lot of lads living off there reputation from that day .
Brennan isn't all that and that has been clearly proven in his recent spell with Cuala that ended less than harmonious .

Yesterday was difficult to watch . Cheddar will do the right thing now but that man owes Laois nothing.

You have to be joking? Laois walked the Joe McDonagh the year we won it and played great hurling in every game. You clearly don't remember the final:

https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/laois-claim-joe-mcdonagh-cup/

I remember it very clearly yes . I attended a large  majority of the games starting from the Walsh cup right up to his final game in Ennis .
We looked to be improving against inferior opposition the first year . He definitely brought air of professionalism to the set-up ,  I'm not denying that and granted we were organised supremely against Dublin etc .
Can anyone remember the second year and the league matches ? The championship was a complete write off .

Apologies i mean didn't  that we scraped by Westmeath in the final . We played them in the league that year and we scraped a draw . The final was a different completely yes

I'm not one for eulogising Brennan, but some of what you say is wrong. We didn't lose all our second year league matches except for one - we got to a quarter final, I'm pretty sure? Against Limerick. Our final game of the Brennan years was in Nowlan Park, and we very nearly beat Clare in it.

Look, I reckon Brennan knew he'd done as much as he could with Laois, and he was probably looking for a way out. He had us going well in the first year, especially, but he can't work miracles. Nevertheless, lads bought into it - and, sadly, they didn't really do that this year.

I fear we'll get bogged down in the McDonagh Cup now for a few years. All the teams in it are at around the same level, and there'll be no easy games. This idea that we can go down and bounce straight back up is wishful thinking.

Quote from: Spiritof86 on May 22, 2022, 12:56:37 PM
I'm baffled sometimes about the constant harrowing on about Eddie Brennan and his tactics . We scraped by the Westmeath in the Joe McDonagh final and then a Great one off performance against Dublin that hasn't been replicated since .

In his second year we lost all our league matches apart from one . Failed to win any championship matches  .. the euphoria of that Dublin match needs to be put to bed . A lot of lads living off there reputation from that day .
Brennan isn't all that and that has been clearly proven in his recent spell with Cuala that ended less than harmonious .

Yesterday was difficult to watch . Cheddar will do the right thing now but that man owes Laois nothing.

Are you serious? We hammered them that day with a great performance. Last Saturday night was a 29 point turnaround on that game.

I hope our County board are meeting this week to put plans in place for next year and be looking for a new senior manager with Laois selectors fairly soon.

We have a group of talented minors and U20s from the last couple of years coming through. Blended in with the likes of Podge Delaney, Ross King, Paddy Purcell etc. Laois have the potential to put together a competitive team over the next couple of years. I would suggest the Joe McDonagh might be a good placement for the team next year. Young players winning games breeds confidence and some of the younger lads coming through would benefit from not facing into 20 plus point championship hammerings as they develop as senior intercounty hurlers. Going back into Joe McDonagh hasn't dampened Antrim's progress and they seem set to rejoin the Leinster championship next year (once they overcome Kerry) in good stead. Hopefully, we can do the same. A new face as manager might serve the team well.   

Quote from: Zooming around on May 23, 2022, 09:50:30 AM

Quote from: Spiritof86 on May 22, 2022, 12:56:37 PM
I'm baffled sometimes about the constant harrowing on about Eddie Brennan and his tactics . We scraped by the Westmeath in the Joe McDonagh final and then a Great one off performance against Dublin that hasn't been replicated since .

In his second year we lost all our league matches apart from one . Failed to win any championship matches  .. the euphoria of that Dublin match needs to be put to bed . A lot of lads living off there reputation from that day .
Brennan isn't all that and that has been clearly proven in his recent spell with Cuala that ended less than harmonious .

Yesterday was difficult to watch . Cheddar will do the right thing now but that man owes Laois nothing.

Are you serious? We hammered them that day with a great performance. Last Saturday night was a 29 point turnaround on that game.

As I've said I made a mistake regarding the McDonagh final . For the last time I meant the league match that year .

Quote from: burdizzo on May 22, 2022, 09:33:13 PM
I'm not one for eulogising Brennan, but some of what you say is wrong. We didn't lose all our second year league matches except for one - we got to a quarter final, I'm pretty sure? Against Limerick. Our final game of the Brennan years was in Nowlan Park, and we very nearly beat Clare in it.


We won one game against Offaly by a point and drew against  Carlow . That format that year allowed on into a league quarter final  and
Limerick beat us comprehensively .
My point is anyway we won one match that year under Brennan .

Can't see any new appointment in the near future. No competitive inter-county hurling now for nearly 8 months . Time to re-group and some soul searching .

I'm baffled by the constant begrudgery towards Brennan. That match you are referring to against Westmeath, was where Brennan reserved the first team and gave new players a chance. As regards the championship in 2020, which took place during the height of the pandemic, resulted in a 1-point loss to Clare, which we honestly should have won.

By no means was Eddie's time with Laois perfect. He had injuries to contend with and he had plenty of players who opted out of the panel. However, with the panel he had, he brought Laois its first bit of success in a long time. He brought intensity. Trainings were dogged and the players bought into that and there was a competitive ethos instilled in the players and more importantly competition for spaces. He gave the players confidence and for the first time in a long while, Laois played as a team and not just a group of individuals.

Going back to the Joe McDonagh seems like a fitting punishment after a dismal 2 years. I can see where people are coming from in saying that it would be a more suitable level for us and would allow us to rebuild. However, look at Carlow, they've been stuck in the Joe McDonagh for a few years and it hasn't done them any favors at all, they wanted to rebuild like us and now they are stagnating.

I know we have decent players. However, the current team has had their confidence decimated and it truly showed in the match against Westmeath. Our first touch, our basic passes, and our ability to read the game and play as a cohesive team have just evaporated. Imagine what it feels like going out to be annihilated every week. Imagine having to face a dressing room at halftime where your manager is breaking tables and has clearly lost the confidence and respect of his players. Facing into lackluster training, where more time is spent on meetings than actual hurling. Imagine that in this day and age the Laois set-up has no basic video analysis available after each match. In Brennan's time, the players used an app to watch video analysis prior to training and this hasn't been used at all with the current management. GPS monitoring and statistics haven't been used at all under the current management. We have one of the smallest backroom teams in the country and it has created a vacuum of silence, where no one is held accountable and no one is encouraged to actively improve their performance by using basic stats or video analysis feedback.

Definitely think it is worthwhile to get outside management and build a backroom team that incorporates modern thinking and uses the basic video analysis and stats available to the team. Would also like to see an opportunity for the players to air their grievances to the county board independent of management.

As I've said before, Cheddar has been a massive servant to Laois hurling and we all recognize the time and effort he has given to the county. The last 2 years have been a sorry end to a lifetime of dedication to hurling.

Great insight in last post,talking to players it was very disheartening with meeting after meeting.i think we need a fresh modern manager will plenty of laois selectors.we have plenty of talent that need to be refocused.hopefully the county board are getting it in order

We can talk all we like about our senior team but until we put proper structures and effort into underage we are not going to improve. We cant dismiss our senior team but to make tangible progress in hurling "we need to invest hugely in underage". As long as i am following laois GAA these words have been mentioned so many times "invest in underage"!! Nothing has ever been donein this regard in hurling or football.
We need a change of approach some joined up progressive thinking. We need to ask ourselves "where ill we be in 10 or 20 years" and where do we want to be. After that...how are we going to get there. Put together an ambitious  PLAN with realistic and achievable targets and put in a huge effort to ensure we get there. Ive said it so many times before we need to look at the bigger picture, think outside the box and stop doing the same things that are failing all the time.
I heard Michael Duignan speaking after the minor leinster final. I was impressed. They realize where they are at senior level so they have gone back to the drawing board and are working to a strategic plan. He spoke about where their finances were and where they are now and he spoke about the initiatives they have put in place at all levels of Offaly GAA to drive things on with particular focus on underage. They are already starting to see rewards for their work and its stronger they will get.
WE HAVE NO PLAN BUT WE REALLY NEED ONE!
There are some good things going on in laois the COE is seriously impressive and credit must go to the co board for that but otherwise the co board must ask themselves what are they actually doing for the development of games in the county. IF we dont wake up soon other counties like kildare will overtake us in hurling.
Laois gaels and the setanta programme are positive but they are driven by people that are not involved in the co board. They are groups of people that have got off of their arse to do something off their own bat. Fair play to them and their are plenty of people out their that would do the same with some encouagement. Perhaps if we had a plan worth investing time into??
FFinally there is huge apetite for hurling in Laois. !6 or 17 thousand at a minor game on a

I agree. I think our minor and U20 setups have been pretty good in recent years and needs to continue. However, I am not convinced the skills coaching from U10-U14 are where they need to be in the clubs.our basics are off, even with the teams that are doing relatively well. When the game gets fast we don't seem to be able to execute the skills.

Down to Joe McDonagh for 2023. Kerry almost did the greatest of comebacks. That pointed free from a non tackle surely cost them.

Get hurling coaches into the schools and clubs, get the basic skills into players at a young age, this will develop competitive underage club teams. The best players can be picked for county development squads where the standard of training and matches goes to a higher level. The more our minor teams get exposed to high standard games like they have this season the better.

Some people on here having a pop at Brennan, but he was part of a set up that the group brought into. With some decent underage players coming through and a mix of experienced players already there, Laois are in a good place to win JMcD cup if they get a good management team in place.

Wonder who would be a good manager to get in.?

Hard to see Diarmuid Mullins being tempted?

Quote from: Joeythelips on June 06, 2022, 12:47:26 PM
Get hurling coaches into the schools and clubs, get the basic skills into players at a young age, this will develop competitive underage club teams. The best players can be picked for county development squads where the standard of training and matches goes to a higher level. The more our minor teams get exposed to high standard games like they have this season the better.

Some people on here having a pop at Brennan, but he was part of a set up that the group brought into. With some decent underage players coming through and a mix of experienced players already there, Laois are in a good place to win JMcD cup if they get a good management team in place.

And who are the hurling coaches that can be sent into clubs and schools?

Is there some hidden reservoir of experienced and committed hurling coaches in the county that the rest of us don't know about

The reality is that while we had a good crop of minors relative to other years they were lacking inthe skills speed and execution when it came to the likes of Offaly and Clare

We won't have another group like them for god knows how long however

The Celtic Challenge v Wicklow game finished in a draw yesterday,there's a few decent lads on it but yet again we don't have the execution speed that comes with continuous proper coaching from an early age

The u15 set up is shambolic even by our standards

The u14 manager wasn't appointed till the middle of May,they picked a panel,trained once and then sent them out to get an absolute pasting off both Offaly and Waterford

County board should have all these development squads sorted with good coaches.

Quote from: clonadmad on June 06, 2022, 01:34:38 PM

Quote from: Joeythelips on June 06, 2022, 12:47:26 PM
Get hurling coaches into the schools and clubs, get the basic skills into players at a young age, this will develop competitive underage club teams. The best players can be picked for county development squads where the standard of training and matches goes to a higher level. The more our minor teams get exposed to high standard games like they have this season the better.

Some people on here having a pop at Brennan, but he was part of a set up that the group brought into. With some decent underage players coming through and a mix of experienced players already there, Laois are in a good place to win JMcD cup if they get a good management team in place.

And who are the hurling coaches that can be sent into clubs and schools?

Is there some hidden reservoir of experienced and committed hurling coaches in the county that the rest of us don't know about

The reality is that while we had a good crop of minors relative to other years they were lacking inthe skills speed and execution when it came to the likes of Offaly and Clare

We won't have another group like them for god knows how long however

The Celtic Challenge v Wicklow game finished in a draw yesterday,there's a few decent lads on it but yet again we don't have the execution speed that comes with continuous proper coaching from an early age

The u15 set up is shambolic even by our standards

The u14 manager wasn't appointed till the middle of May,they picked a panel,trained once and then sent them out to get an absolute pasting off both Offaly and Waterford

What's going on with the u14s and 15s?

Desperate to see the disastrous set ups in the development squads. Very disappointing after the minors doing so well this year.
I do believe that there is massive appetite for hurling in Laois. The 18 odd thousand that turned up for the leinster minor final just shows how willing the ppl of laois are to turn out to support their county. The effort those minor lads put in is further evidence that in a proper set up the players will put their shoulder to the wheel for their county. 160 signed up for the setanta programme is also hugely encouraging. Cumann na mbunscoil is another great success. So we are doing some things right but in a county like laois we need so much more.
So why cant all these valuable components not be moulded together into a masterplan for laois hurling? PJ Kelly is a newly elected Co board Chairman. What will his legacy be at the end of his tenure?? Will he continue on the same amateur organisation that preceded him for years or will he gather some strong minded people with vision for the future.
Where will we be in 10 years time and how are we going to get there? They are the questions that needs to be asked.
We cannot keep going the way we are from year to year hoping that something miraculous will happen.
I believe cheddar is sitting down with the co board this week to discuss next year. The best thing they could do is ask cheddar to move away from the senior team management and start working on the plan for 10 years time.
Finance is always an issue but its one that can be tackled and improved on. Cheddar is an ambitious and intelligent man im sure he would find a way to make it all work with some help from others.
I honestly believe if the county board approached the clubs with a long term plan for laois hurling it would get backing. The clubs need to be brought along in a combined effort to drive everything forward.

Offaly are doing it...why cant we?

Quote from: mcwregor on June 09, 2022, 09:40:28 PM

Offaly are doing it...why cant we?

Because Offaly were used to past successes and see no reason why they can't get it again if they put in the work. I don't think we really and truly believe we'll ever be on that level, because we never have been - at least, not in living memory.

Just wondering - since we got to a minor final this year, are we in the 'A' tier next year at minor?

Great and all as Cheddar is, staying on as senior manager wouldn't be a good idea, either for him or the team. Surely it's not a runner?

If he stays on as senior manager there will be no team.

Cheddar won't be staying on . C B meeting this week to deal with announcements expected . I do hope there is a role somewhere for Cheddar behind scenes but wouldn't hold my breath .

Wonder who was approached about the job?

Quote from: Laois man on June 12, 2022, 01:51:35 PM
Wonder who was approached about the job?

Official now that Cheddar stepping down. Didn't work out his second term. Took it when not too many wanted it after Eddie Brennan fiasco. Heart in the right place but need a change. Who that is remains to be seen.

Need to come straight back up from Joe McDonagh next year.

Best of luck to Cheeder. County board need to get there house in order now and bring in a good management team. If it costs money so be it.

A Clare man the front runner apparently and it's not Davy Fitz .

The birr manager at the moment??

Brendan Bogler?

Maybe Eamon O Shea could be sounded out? He would quickly eradicate some of the crazy stuff we were doing in the last couple of years.

Who's on this 4 person committee tasked in appointing a new manager?

Quote from: Giovanni on June 20, 2022, 06:31:57 PM
Maybe Eamon O Shea could be sounded out? He would quickly eradicate some of the crazy stuff we were doing in the last couple of years.

Was sounded out for the Galway job before Shefflin got it

He's living in galway and wasn't interested

Extremely unlikely he'd have any interest in the Laois role

Best we can hope for is a young hungry coach similar to Eddie Brennan,Bugler and Lyng being 2 options

Affordability will also be a factor . The likes of Fitzy, McGrath and O'Shea would be way over our financial budget . Young , progressive and forward planning as the previous poster alluded to is the way to go.
Diarmuid Mullins would be interesting but he seems tied down within the Limerick set-up . Two wild cards would be Stephen Molumphy from Waterford  and Fergal Lynch from Clare .

Quote from: Spiritof86 on June 23, 2022, 07:10:14 PM
Affordability will also be a factor . The likes of Fitzy, McGrath and O'Shea would be way over our financial budget . Young , progressive and forward planning as the previous poster alluded to is the way to go.
Diarmuid Mullins would be interesting but he seems tied down within the Limerick set-up . Two wild cards would be Stephen Molumphy from Waterford  and Fergal Lynch from Clare .

Is Molumphy not currently with Kerry?

Yes he's currently with Kerry .

Is a return of Eddie Brennan completely out of the question?

Quote from: Giovanni on June 24, 2022, 11:36:47 AM
Is a return of Eddie Brennan completely out of the question?

Anything to be said for another mass?

Quote from: Giovanni on June 24, 2022, 11:36:47 AM
Is a return of Eddie Brennan completely out of the question?

And cheddar could then come in again after parkinson interviews him again?

When you see the likes of Molumpy with Kerry & Herrity with Kildare, there are options out there of young, vibrant and well respected individuals out to make a name for themselves.
Brennan showed this also.
But when does going back ever work.

There aren't too many examples right enough but I don't see why that should be the case. I suppose Jack O Connor could be put forward as an example. James Horan? Personally, I'd be looking for someone who would create a buzz amongst supporters and players. Wouldn't have to be a high profile experienced manager but it should be someone who would generate interest in the county in the way that Shefflin did when he went to Galway.

Would the likes of DJ Carey be worth a punt. Seems to have done a decent job with Carlow IT and would already know some of the players.

Mick Dempsey was the main man behind Carlow IT doing well. Louis Mulquee former clare coach and was involved in a few clubs in Galway has a very good record. He was Davys right hand man when clare won the All lreland.

Would Derek Lyng be an option? Up and coming.

Outside bet - try Liam Sheedy?

Mulquee would be interesting. He is involved with Blackrock in Cork at the moment I believe . There the  fellows we need to be looking at the likes of Mulquee ,  Mullins , Lynch , Molumpy and Lyng .
Our budget rules us out for the likes of McGrath , Sheedy and Fitzy .

Not McGarth I don't think he's the mam for the job.

Tommy Walsh?

Any sign of a senior manager being appointed? Any names for possible candidates floating around??

Someone mentioned Davy Fitz, but.... I don't think so!

Quote from: burdizzo on July 09, 2022, 03:41:31 AM
Someone mentioned Davy Fitz, but.... I don't think so!

Wouldn't surprise me if he got the Dublin job.

Wouldn't expect anyone like Davy Fitz etc to be in contention .
Mark Landers  , Brian Whelahan , David Herity and Dan Shanahan have been some of the names nominated by clubs apparently.

Brian Whelahan? Great player but record as manager is shocking do clubs look at this or just go for names?

Quote from: Spiritof86 on July 09, 2022, 11:34:20 AM
Wouldn't expect anyone like Davy Fitz etc to be in contention .
Mark Landers  , Brian Whelahan , David Herity and Dan Shanahan have been some of the names nominated by clubs apparently.

Herity the only one there worthy of consideration

The rest

No thanks

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on July 09, 2022, 10:41:32 PM

Quote from: Spiritof86 on July 09, 2022, 11:34:20 AM
Wouldn't expect anyone like Davy Fitz etc to be in contention .
Mark Landers  , Brian Whelahan , David Herity and Dan Shanahan have been some of the names nominated by clubs apparently.

Landers 😂

Which Club nominated Landers

😂😂😂

Can the clubs be collectively trusted to nominate the right candidates. Some of the lads mentioned there wouldn't train a dog.
Better off they selected a committee to do it similar to the last few times. Can the Co Board be trusted to pick the right candidate from the clubs selection?
Id prefer to get someone with some level of County management experience. Going for a big name former player with no experience would be a disaster.

Surely asking the clubs for to nominate is just optics? Can't imagine it will be taken seriously.
It'd be like an AGM where everyone is proposed & seconded and then you move on to the next person!

These nominations are just going through the motion scenarios . Unlikely many of them would be serious contenders .
Gleeson up in Antrim hasn't confirmed whether he's staying on or not . Mightn't be the worst shout . Another guy I'd like is James O'Conner the ex Ballyhale manager who is with Midelton this year . 

Quote from: Spiritof86 on July 11, 2022, 08:40:02 PM
These nominations are just going through the motion scenarios . Unlikely many of them would be serious contenders .
Gleeson up in Antrim hasn't confirmed whether he's staying on or not . Mightn't be the worst shout . Another guy I'd like is James O'Conner the ex Ballyhale manager who is with Midelton this year . 

Colm Bonnar getting the bullet with Tipperary last night. Wondering will that be a name that will come up with Laois if no standout names emerge?

Very surprised with that . Hasn't been given a chance there at all .

Wouldn't have rated him hugely.
Got given out to here before for describing him as a bit of a journeyman....
But
If we were ever to give him the job now would be a great time!
Experienced working at our level and a serious point to prove!

Very few GAA managers get sacked, he joins a very short list!

Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 14, 2022, 03:32:09 PM
Wouldn't have rated him hugely.
Got given out to here before for describing him as a bit of a journeyman....
But
If we were ever to give him the job now would be a great time!
Experienced working at our level and a serious point to prove!

Very few GAA managers get sacked, he joins a very short list!

From seeing some threads  in Tipp today the training standard in higher level clubs in Tipp were a better standard to inter county training. Easy to be the scapegoat in a transition as well and Bonnar gets the bullet.

Anyways hopefully  Laois will have someone organised within next month but have my reservations.

Need to bounce back up straight in 2023

I read on a Waterford thread it will be Cahill to Tipp and McGrath back to Waterford.

Quote from: redsetanta on July 15, 2022, 10:38:21 AM
I read on a Waterford thread it will be Cahill to Tipp and McGrath back to Waterford.

Just like a trade off and everybody's happy!

Liam Cahill gone from waterford I see would be a great choice for laois manager but one thinks he's heading into the Tipp job..

Sign , sealed and delivered by all accounts.

Tommy Dunne former tipp selector for laois job?

Decent coach and he would probably bring Paul Curran along too. . Still think we need a Laois man heavily man but is there a suitable candidate interested .

Quote from: Laois man on July 15, 2022, 03:30:23 PM
Tommy Dunne former tipp selector for laois job?

All Ireland Winning Captain and Coach

We could do a lot worse than have him on board here

From talking to Tipp colleagues,,once he gave notice to quit 2 weeks ago the game was up for Bonnar as he was the one keeping the show on the road.

Ye a laois man would be great if we could get one and somebody who would take no shit from the top table.

Tommy Dunne with a few laois men around him would be the job.

You'd have to ask yourself why would he do it?
I'd be shocked (but delighted) if we got Tommy Dunne.

Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 15, 2022, 05:59:12 PM
You'd have to ask yourself why would he do it?
I'd be shocked (but delighted) if we got Tommy Dunne.

Good opportunity for him.

Not going to get the Tipp gig, so good chance to work with Laois.

Any sort of positive year will hwlp his CV, especially if he's the manager.

Anything concrete on the new senior manager?

Apologies redsetanta . Yes I've heard Bugler has it . Fergal Lynch involved too along with a couple of Laois lads .

Cant believe they are giving the job to bugler. Birr can't wait to get rid of him. Hasn't worked out with them at all.

Was Bugler in with Wexford as a selector?

Have herard were nowhere close to appointing abyone. bugler is very interested but we are still contacting different people.

Good to hear. Buglers tactics are more defensive than anything i have seen before, very hard to watch.
The whole process seems very slow compared with other counties that have changed manager but its worth delaying to get the best possible man for the job

Quote from: mcwregor on August 05, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
Good to hear. Buglers tactics are more defensive than anything i have seen before, very hard to watch.
The whole process seems very slow compared with other counties that have changed manager but its worth delaying to get the best possible man for the job

spose its hard to get through all the fellas bateing our door down

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Quote from: mcwregor on August 05, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
Good to hear. Buglers tactics are more defensive than anything i have seen before, very hard to watch.
The whole process seems very slow compared with other counties that have changed manager but its worth delaying to get the best possible man for the job

spose its hard to get through all the fellas bateing our door down

[/Sheedy and O Shea going to take the offaly job. Was it so ludicrous of me suggesting them for the laois job now? I was laughed at by most on here for suggesting the same a few weeks ago.  I did question our ambition in who we could go for, nothing wrong with Offalys ambition. Please spare me of any comments on Shane Lowrys bank account in relation to Sheedy's pending appointment. I read enough rubbish on social media.]

Quote from: mcwregor on August 12, 2022, 09:47:24 AM

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on August 05, 2022, 01:08:20 PM

Quote from: mcwregor on August 05, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
Good to hear. Buglers tactics are more defensive than anything i have seen before, very hard to watch.
The whole process seems very slow compared with other counties that have changed manager but its worth delaying to get the best possible man for the job

spose its hard to get through all the fellas bateing our door down

[/Sheedy and O Shea going to take the offaly job. Was it so ludicrous of me suggesting them for the laois job now? I was laughed at by most on here for suggesting the same a few weeks ago.  I did question our ambition in who we could go for, nothing wrong with Offalys ambition. Please spare me of any comments on Shane Lowrys bank account in relation to Sheedy's pending appointment. I read enough rubbish on social media.]

Sheedy has looked for a 15 man plus backroom team to be put in place if he's to take the Offaly Job among a number of other criteria which he will want met as well.

I'm all ears as to how laois would fund this

Quote from: mcwregor on August 12, 2022, 09:47:24 AM

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on August 05, 2022, 01:08:20 PM

Quote from: mcwregor on August 05, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
Good to hear. Buglers tactics are more defensive than anything i have seen before, very hard to watch.
The whole process seems very slow compared with other counties that have changed manager but its worth delaying to get the best possible man for the job

spose its hard to get through all the fellas bateing our door down

[/Sheedy and O Shea going to take the offaly job. Was it so ludicrous of me suggesting them for the laois job now? I was laughed at by most on here for suggesting the same a few weeks ago.  I did question our ambition in who we could go for, nothing wrong with Offalys ambition. Please spare me of any comments on Shane Lowrys bank account in relation to Sheedy's pending appointment. I read enough rubbish on social media.]

That's exactly how Offaly are able to appoint Sheedy and his entourage. Without Lowrys backing and funding this wouldn't be happening . The dog on the street knows this .

lowry backin the entire thing. lets see if it gets over the line too. sheedy fresh from monaghan, not a mercenary, no siree.

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on August 12, 2022, 10:38:29 AM
lowry backin the entire thing. lets see if it gets over the line too. sheedy fresh from monaghan, not a mercenary, no siree.

He couldn't do his own county due to work commitments but yet can travel the length and breadth of the country to train other counties.

Quote from: clonadmad on August 12, 2022, 10:02:26 AM

Quote from: mcwregor on August 12, 2022, 09:47:24 AM

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on August 05, 2022, 01:08:20 PM

Quote from: mcwregor on August 05, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
Good to hear. Buglers tactics are more defensive than anything i have seen before, very hard to watch.
The whole process seems very slow compared with other counties that have changed manager but its worth delaying to get the best possible man for the job

spose its hard to get through all the fellas bateing our door down

[/Sheedy and O Shea going to take the offaly job. Was it so ludicrous of me suggesting them for the laois job now? I was laughed at by most on here for suggesting the same a few weeks ago.  I did question our ambition in who we could go for, nothing wrong with Offalys ambition. Please spare me of any comments on Shane Lowrys bank account in relation to Sheedy's pending appointment. I read enough rubbish on social media.]

Sheedy has looked for a 15 man plus backroom team to be put in place if he's to take the Offaly Job among a number of other criteria which he will want met as well.

I'm all ears as to how laois would fund this

Some coup for Offaly, no doubt the funding available enticed Sheedy to the role.

I think that Laois Co Board needs to reconsider the funding model that we currently employ. Separate sponsorship for the hurlers via larger multinationals such as Greenfield Global, BNL sciences, or ALS could potentially improve the funding situation. It's definitely worth a shot at reaching out to these groups.

Also, we are so close in proximity to Carlow IT, which has a great strength and conditioning program, and nutrition and sports psychology programs. The county board should be actively working with their master's and Ph.D. students to get reliable strength and conditioning programs and nutrition programs at a reduced price. Other hurling counties are already taking advantage of universities and ITs to build their strength and conditioning programs. The same goes for stat analysis.

I hope we sign off on a new manager soon and have a decent backroom team with actual knowledge of the hurlers available. 

Quote from: LaoisAbu20 on August 12, 2022, 01:29:55 PM

Quote from: clonadmad on August 12, 2022, 10:02:26 AM

Quote from: mcwregor on August 12, 2022, 09:47:24 AM

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on August 05, 2022, 01:08:20 PM

Quote from: mcwregor on August 05, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
Good to hear. Buglers tactics are more defensive than anything i have seen before, very hard to watch.
The whole process seems very slow compared with other counties that have changed manager but its worth delaying to get the best possible man for the job

spose its hard to get through all the fellas bateing our door down

[/Sheedy and O Shea going to take the offaly job. Was it so ludicrous of me suggesting them for the laois job now? I was laughed at by most on here for suggesting the same a few weeks ago.  I did question our ambition in who we could go for, nothing wrong with Offalys ambition. Please spare me of any comments on Shane Lowrys bank account in relation to Sheedy's pending appointment. I read enough rubbish on social media.]

Sheedy has looked for a 15 man plus backroom team to be put in place if he's to take the Offaly Job among a number of other criteria which he will want met as well.

I'm all ears as to how laois would fund this

Also, we are so close in proximity to Carlow IT, which has a great strength and conditioning program, and nutrition and sports psychology programs. The county board should be actively working with their master's and Ph.D. students to get reliable strength and conditioning programs and nutrition programs at a reduced price. Other hurling counties are already taking advantage of universities and ITs to build their strength and conditioning programs. The same goes for stat analysis.

Do we not already have full time staff dedicated to this area without having to go anywhere near Carlow?

Quick question. Do the turn stiles in the centre of  excellence be opened for senior Cship games?

Quote from: Laois man on August 12, 2022, 01:36:11 PM
Quick question. Do the turn stiles in the centre of  excellence be opened for senior Cship games?

no

Thanks

Quote from: mcwregor on August 12, 2022, 09:47:24 AM

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on August 05, 2022, 01:08:20 PM

Quote from: mcwregor on August 05, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
ard to get through all the fellas bateing our door down

[/Sheedy and O Shea going to take the offaly job. Was it so ludicrous of me suggesting them for the laois job now? I was laughed at by most on here for suggesting the same a few weeks ago.  I did question our ambition in who we could go for, nothing wrong with Offalys ambition. Please spare me of any comments on Shane Lowrys bank account in relation to Sheedy's pending appointment. I read enough rubbish on social media.]

No it wasn't ludicrous. Sure, it takes money to get a proper team in place but it's a two way thing - people will put the money in when they believe the ambition is there. The players will buy into it too. Obviously, a failing brand is far less attractive for everyone.

Two full months have passed since Cheddar has resigned. Are we any closer to a replacement? Was cheddar asked to take up any other role within Laois hurling?
There seems to be apathy with Laois co board.

Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on August 13, 2022, 02:07:56 PM
Two full months have passed since Cheddar has resigned. Are we any closer to a replacement? Was cheddar asked to take up any other role within Laois hurling?
There seems to be apathy with Laois co board.

Interviews next week I think and I heard bugler going with Davy to Waterford. I think 3 candidates being interviewed I'd say will become more clear next week. Again open to correction on this.

You won't get the answer on Laois today you have to pay for it we may go to the Leinster again 🤪😂

Interviews next week and Cheeder gone nearly 3 months??

Tolaya a hidden secret on Laois today 😂😂😂😂😂tooo dear but they have no clue on hurling 🤪😂👍

Quote from: Laois man on August 14, 2022, 11:48:45 PM
Interviews next week and Cheeder gone nearly 3 months??

Final interviews . Heard Bugler and his entourage have withdrawn alright . Got the call from his ex-manager.
Heard someone mention Ollie Halleys name in the stand today regarding the Senior job .

A stop.

It's nearly 2 months now since Cheddar stepped down. It's absolutely criminal that the next senior hurling manager isn't in place. Kilkenny (yeah, different kettle of fish I know) replaced Cody inside a fortnight. Offaly have their job filled. Waterford, Cork, Tipp all acted quickly enough.
Is there anyone in the know who can actually explain the delay?

Nobody wants it maybe? At least nobody that the CB could conceivably palm off on the Laois hurling public. Isn't that what it's all about always?

who did Offaly appoint

Nobody yet

The word is the Eamon O Shea going in as offaly manager with Liam Sheehy in his backroom team.

I hope they don't just fill the position to get it done. Id prefer wait a bit if we had to to get a more suitable candidate. Trouble is nobody of credible standing seems to be interested. It will come back to haunt them of results dont go the right way. Also players nowadays won't commit unless they think there is a top class set up. You wouldn't blame them either.
I still maintain our ambition as a county sucks. Offaly are getting there house in order, why can't we. Some will say Lowry is backing them which is true. Why can't we put a robust aggressive and ambitious plan for the future in place and then approach potential financial supporters. Unfortunately the draconianism will continue I suspect

Quote from: Laois man on August 16, 2022, 09:15:48 AM
The word is the Eamon O Shea going in as offaly manager with Liam Sheehy in his backroom team.

what word?

The word coming from offaly County board.

If we give them enough time, they might manage to convince Cody to take it for a year or two  ;).

At this rate Cheddar might have to take the job for the third time.

Swallow your pride co board and offer the job to eddie brennan. P.S give him what he wants. Thanks

John O'Sullivan is a name i heard recently

Could be worse.

Looks like the Sheedy/O Shea thing didn't work out for Offaly after all. For all the praise heaped on the Offaly County Board, that doesn't seem to have been very well managed......

Johnny Kelly with Eamon O'Shea it looks like . Sheedy was never a runner appu.

Any we still with nobody. 😭

We must be lining up something big...

Quote from: Laois man on August 16, 2022, 12:09:43 PM
The word coming from offaly County board.

never trust an offaly man.

Do we even need a manager? Cost effective and surely a win win for the CB?

They'll find the right man PK. Have faith

Heard its a former Tipp/Dublin hurler. Has been ringing players already

Quote from: Jd on August 24, 2022, 04:28:39 PM
Heard its a former Tipp/Dublin hurler. Has been ringing players already

if its Ryan O'Dwyer

i wouldn't blame them if they didn't answer the Call.

What has he done to warrant this appointment,

if its true.

Heard that .It would be a  Disappointing appointment in my opinion . He's looking for assurances from certain players to commit also before he accepts anything.

Story circulating about Cheddar and his involvement with the offaly back-room set-up . Kelly keen to get him on board apparently  . Not sure how true this is but I doubt he is a man who won't be involved in hurling some way with some team  come next spring.

Ryan O Dwyer - please please NO!!

He was with Down this year in some sort of coaching capacity- I don't know what else he had done/is doing but it's a fair leap from doing a couple of nights coaching with Down in division 2 as part of their backroom team to managing at division 1 intercounty level. Surely, you'd be looking for someone with a bit more of a proven record. You can't see players being overly enthusiastic to get involved. 

Dictionary Derek back in the running for Laois job apparently.

Wille Maher from tipp in line i hear he would be a good appointment. Was with tipp minors and U21s and trained C uala   in Dublin to a club All ireland

If be happy with willie maher or derek

Quote from: Spiritof86 on August 30, 2022, 05:47:30 PM
Dictionary Derek back in the running for Laois job apparently.

dictionary? is this meant to be funny?

Willie Maher looks to be in pole position to take over the senior job . Excellent appointment if this materialises .

Quote from: Laois man on August 30, 2022, 06:16:37 PM
Wille Maher from tipp in line i hear he would be a good appointment. Was with tipp minors and U21s and trained C uala   in Dublin to a club All ireland

Was that not Mattie Kenny?

Yeah correct . He didn't train them to All Ireland success . He brought Cuala to Dublin SHC titles in 2019 and '20 having been a coach to Dublin's minorsin the late 2000s.

William Maher will be a great appointment.

This has worked out better than it looked like it was going to (if true!).

Local involvement will be interesting to watch.
There are a few individuals of an age profile, ability and experience level  where involvement in a good set up could pay rich dividends for years to come.
They would have to be trusted and listened to of course for this to happen.
At times in the past there has been token involvement.

How true or close is this to happening?

What Laois coaches would we like to see involved? Remember Cheddar had no Laois coaches/selectors, so there must be a number of good people involved. Large number of players seemingly already seem to be making themselves unavailable for selection before any manager is appointed. This is a vital appointment for Laois hurling.

Who are making themselves unavailable??

A number of the senior players who've been at it 8 - 10 years.

Is that coming from the players themselves or just talk?

Ah, just sideline talk, I must admit. However, according to it, Paddy Purcell, Cha Dwyer, Sean Downey, Eric Killeen all thinking of pulling the plug. Could be horseshit, but then again...

Quote from: Batman!!! on August 31, 2022, 08:27:13 PM
What Laois coaches would we like to see involved?

Tommy Fitz first call should be made.

Lots of other options. Off top of my head:
Butch stapleton, ariene delaney, johno sullivan, seanus dwyer, jackman, damien Walsh, enda Lyons, tadhg doran, andrew kavnagh.

Nedd laois men involved as part of backroom team.
Try get someone from 3/4 strong clubs maybe

I think players might/should look at this year as a good opportunity. If we have a good set up and good commitment I think we will win the Joe Mc. That should be enough to entice lads in. With things going well then a shot at one of the big guns in a preliminary quarter final would be on the cards. There should be a good few additions of new young players this year hopefully with the likes of James Duggan and Mossy keyes being exciting talents. Being down the likes of cha and paddy would be detrimental.

Quote from: burdizzo on August 31, 2022, 10:11:41 PM
Ah, just sideline talk, I must admit. However, according to it, Paddy Purcell, Cha Dwyer, Sean Downey, Eric Killeen all thinking of pulling the plug. Could be horseshit, but then again...

Sean Downey and cha dwyer going travelling for a year at least.
Massive losses

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on September 01, 2022, 08:54:45 AM

Quote from: burdizzo on August 31, 2022, 10:11:41 PM
Ah, just sideline talk, I must admit. However, according to it, Paddy Purcell, Cha Dwyer, Sean Downey, Eric Killeen all thinking of pulling the plug. Could be horseshit, but then again...

Sean Downey and cha dwyer going travelling for a year at least.
Massive losses

Ben Conroy gone also. To be expected after COVID-19 life is too short. More power to them on their future travels.

It's going to be an even harder sell to get any prospective manager in,when you read the previous few posts.

Getting players to commit was always a huge issue here but when you have the committed leaving,it doesn't become the most attractive of propositions for any potential manager.

He's been offered the job but will wait to the weekend to make a decision. The situation with player unavailability will surely come into his thinking . A regular common problem is this county

Quote from: Spiritof86 on September 01, 2022, 11:57:16 AM
He's been offered the job but will wait to the weekend to make a decision. The situation with player unavailability will surely come into his thinking . A regular common problem is this county

https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaa/900510/willie-maher-offered-laois-senior-hurling-job.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1VRMW-XfMIFgB3h8N1N6kgqD3j7aP4Pk5x_SiIqujUlZ8rXhM7VrTDINA

Does this not seem a very strange way to do business?
Was it a full county board meeting or a sub committee meeting?

Surely you establish interest, interview, decide, offer, get a commitment and then go to a CB meeting to have it ratified.
Is that not the way it has been everywhere for the last 30 years!

Maybe I'm reading too much into this and maybe he has already agreed to accept, but it's a strange way to go about things and a potentially damaging one at that!

Never heard of him. Managed Tipp underage teams 10 years ago?

Sounds like an underwhelming choice.

Well known, as a good hurling coach among hurling people. Former Tipp minor captain. Beyond Tipp Minor, Tipp u21 he was a selector under Derek McGrath in Waterford in 2014. Managed Cuala to 2 Dublin titles back to back in 2019 and 2020. Has been linked with Tipp and Dublin jobs in the past but has been overlooked. Currently with Bennettsbridge in Kilkenny and they seem to be going fine under him. Hes young (43) and has a good reputation as a coach. Can't comment on inter-county management ability but Laois could do much worse that Willie Maher in my view.

Quote from: blueandwhite1 on September 02, 2022, 01:41:16 PM
Never heard of him. Managed Tipp underage teams 10 years ago?

Sounds like an underwhelming choice.

Well known and regarded amongst hurling people

Has all the right attributes age profile etc needed for Laois

Was front runner in tipp until sheedy came in for his second stint,so he won't be lacking in motivation to do well

Maher in as manager with 2/3 of the excellent laois coaches delaney/Doran/Jackman/Fotz etc and you have a progressive ticket

Then you just have to address the age old problem of lads committing

An excellent appointment if he agrees to take it

If it doesn't,given how the county board have gone about it,there will be egg on faces

Not looking promising for a Willie Maher for Laois position. His namesake in Laois in playing hurling circles not having it . Good old Laois politics .

Any update on Senior hurling manager?

Quote from: Spiritof86 on September 05, 2022, 05:17:46 PM
Not looking promising for a Willie Maher for Laois position. His namesake in Laois in playing hurling circles not having it . Good old Laois politics .

Read this 10 Times and still no idea what youre on about

Did yer man take the job or what's the story,? or are we waiting for Santy Claus to bring us a new manager at Christmas.

A lads still nothing on a new hurling manager we are a total laughing stock at this time.

Maher could probably write his own cheque at this stage. Clearly it's him or more uncertainty

Delay in ratifying Maher is a worry
I think it would be a good appointment, would there be any chance he could bring David Franks on board, Ballygunners coach
Both Maher & Franks living in Kilkenny, top class coach

With Laois selectors / coaches from Arien Delaney, Tommy Fitz. Seamus Dwyer, Ciaran Comerford, Eamon Jackman, with one of these being the U20 manager

According to the Laois Today article,did the County Board say that Maher was to be back to them last weekend,with his decision?

That's what I had in my head, too.
Outside that, I'd also heard Ryan O'Dwyer was the only one who was even interested in the job.
Could be turning into a bit of a fiasco!

Quote from: burdizzo on September 07, 2022, 10:00:09 PM
That's what I had in my head, too.
Outside that, I'd also heard Ryan O'Dwyer was the only one who was even interested in the job.
Could be turning into a bit of a fiasco!

Seemingly he was put off after speaking to a few select players and the lack of commitment that would be there for 2023


From the Leinster express article of last week

"Former Tipperary minor and U21 hurling manager Willie Maher has been offered the chance to become Laois senior hurling manager after a meeting of the Laois county board which was held on Tuesday night last.


The Ballingarry man, who led the Tipperary minors to All-Ireland glory back in 2012, has been offered the role on an initial two-year term, with the option of a further year should Maher impress.

Maher is expected to let the Laois county board know his decision by the weekend."


It seems to be amateur in the extreme what the county board have done

Did they expect to bounce Maher into saying yes by releasing this to the press

If they did,it appears to have backfired

No other county conducts the selection of a manager like this

So has Maher actually said no to the job?  Its gone awful quiet.
The player opt out is worse in laois than any other county. Its a poor reflection on us. Inter County hurling is only for a few years and I think the lads that opt out will regret it down the line. Is it a mental weakness that has crept in or why is it always such an issue. I dont mind a lad going travelling, that has to be done but opting out for no apparent reason is disappointing.

Well you're certainly making it more likely that lads will opt out if the setup is not attractive (or, in our case, not there at all).

There are many reasons why lads don't commit. The CB can't take the blame for all of them. But if you're a player with an eye on committing, this uncertainty wouldn't inspire you, would it? Hopefully Maher will be ratified soon

Quote from: High Fielder on September 10, 2022, 10:11:25 AM
There are many reasons why lads don't commit. The CB can't take the blame for all of them. But if you're a player with an eye on committing, this uncertainty wouldn't inspire you, would it? Hopefully Maher will be ratified soon

In 2020 after the high of the Joe McDonogh and running tipp close in an all ireland quarter final

Over 20 hurlers in this county refused to come in under Eddie Brennan

When they did that back then

It tells you all you need to know

I think a lot of those 20 wouldn't have even made the match-day panel.

Quote from: burdizzo on September 10, 2022, 03:02:08 PM
I think a lot of those 20 wouldn't have even made the match-day panel.

At the same time Brennan deemed that based on club performances they were worthy of a call in to be looked at further

That's how it works in most counties

Not laois

Another week gone and still nothing on a senior hurling manager crazy.

I assume the silence means that Maher didn't take it?

Quote from: Giovanni on September 12, 2022, 01:51:43 PM
I assume the silence means that Maher didn't take it?

Word is that due to a good few prominent players not willing to commit for 2023, maher is not taking it.
We have a few former players with great potential.
Tommy Fitz and seamus dwyer would be a good solid management.  Know the game inside out in laois and would be a huge asset in transitioning young players. Maybe dwyer would bring brian codyvalong with him 🤔

This is the big drawback to an external person. They look at the job mainly from the point of view of what it can do for themselves and their reputation. Generally, an internal person will be more willing to take the cards dealt to him and try to make the best of it for the sake of the county.

I think Eddie Brennan was exceptional in this. He did complain early on about lads not making themselves available but after that he just got stuck in, making the best of what he had and eventually created an environment that encouraged lads to play.

yer allnfierce fullla shite all the same lads. willies in da bag

Willle Maher taking the role . Best of luck to him .

Best of luck to Wille Maher👍

Well done to all those involved in securing a new manager

Best of luck to Willie Maher

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on September 12, 2022, 02:27:43 PM

Quote from: Giovanni on September 12, 2022, 01:51:43 PM
I assume the silence means that Maher didn't take it?

Word is that due to a good few prominent players not willing to commit for 2023, maher is not taking it.
We have a few former players with great potential.
Tommy Fitz and seamus dwyer would be a good solid management.  Know the game inside out in laois and would be a huge asset in transitioning young players. Maybe dwyer would bring brian codyvalong with him 🤔

shockin romurs to be spreadin. idol gossips

bests luck wiliie and well done the county board

Good luck to him. He has a huge task on his hands.
No more than Sheehan with the footballers, there's a massive job before a ball is struck trying to get the best possible panel to commit.

Great news. Delighted for the Laois hurling public, who seem enthused by the appointment. Wishing him and the team well

Quote from: Spiritof1915 on September 12, 2022, 02:27:43 PM

Quote from: Giovanni on September 12, 2022, 01:51:43 PM

I assume the silence means that Maher didn't take it?

Word is that due to a good few prominent players not willing to commit for 2023, maher is not taking it.
We have a few former players with great potential.
Tommy Fitz and seamus dwyer would be a good solid management.  Know the game inside out in laois and would be a huge asset in transitioning young players. Maybe dwyer would bring brian codyvalong with him 🤔

Misinformed. Apologies. 
Great appointment.  Hopefully all the players will make the desired commitment the new management deserves

Great appointment and I wish Willie Maher all the best as laois manager. Im looking forward to seeing big Dan on the side line with the laois baseball cap turned backwards!! He will bring a bit of blaa buzz to the set up.

Goalkeepers
E Rowland
C Dunne
E Fleming

Backs
D Hartnett
P Delaney
L Cleere
S Downey
P Dunne
R Mullaney
D Conway
J Kelly
C McEvoy

Midfielders
P Purcell
F Fennell
J Keyes
A Corby
C Stapleton

Forwards
P Maher
C Dwyer
R King
A Dunphy
M Keyes
J Duggan
M Kavanagh
E Lyons
B Conroy
PJ Scully
M Dowling
C Collier
J Ryan
B McGinley

I may have left out an obvious one or two by mistake

The panel above would go very close to winning the Joe Mc. I think the incentive is there for these lads to commit. A big day out in a national final in croke park for players and supports alike should be on the cards here with the chance a la 2019 v Dublin also possible.
I do believe the non-committals will regret not doing all they can when they have the opportunity. The summer in America can still be done as the Joe Mc will be over by then so that's not really a valid excuse anymore either.

The only one I think that could consider retiring is Willie Dunphy. Has had plenty of injury issues down the years and certainly owes the county nothing. Very committed player over the past 10-12 years. Of the panel above id say only maybe 1 or 2 are over the 30 mark and all have lots to offer at county level.

Lets hope Willie can convince them this is worth the effort

The addition of Dan Shanahan is a big plus. He's a likeable fella with lots of experience and that bit of charisma.

Quote from: mcwregor on September 13, 2022, 08:58:48 AM
Great appointment and I wish Willie Maher all the best as laois manager. Im looking forward to seeing big Dan on the side line with the laois baseball cap turned backwards!! He will bring a bit of blaa buzz to the set up.

Goalkeepers
E Rowland
C Dunne
E Fleming

Backs
D Hartnett
P Delaney
L Cleere
S Downey
P Dunne
R Mullaney
D Conway
J Kelly
C McEvoy

Midfielders
P Purcell
F Fennell
J Keyes
A Corby
C Stapleton

Forwards
P Maher
C Dwyer
R King
A Dunphy
M Keyes
J Duggan
M Kavanagh
E Lyons
B Conroy
PJ Scully
M Dowling
C Collier
J Ryan
B McGinley

I may have left out an obvious one or two by mistake

The panel above would go very close to winning the Joe Mc. I think the incentive is there for these lads to commit. A big day out in a national final in croke park for players and supports alike should be on the cards here with the chance a la 2019 v Dublin also possible.
I do believe the non-committals will regret not doing all they can when they have the opportunity. The summer in America can still be done as the Joe Mc will be over by then so that's not really a valid excuse anymore either.

The only one I think that could consider retiring is Willie Dunphy. Has had plenty of injury issues down the years and certainly owes the county nothing. Very committed player over the past 10-12 years. Of the panel above id say only maybe 1 or 2 are over the 30 mark and all have lots to offer at county level.

Lets hope Willie can convince them this is worth the effort

Good news in the manager and don't forget that having the likes of Podge Delaney, Mark Kavanagh and Lee Cleere at full firness back would be a serious addition to the setup. Hoping that some with travel plans could be convinced to postpone them.

Good luck to the new management team.

Great news. Brilliant appointment which should excite any player.

Quote from: mcwregor on September 13, 2022, 08:58:48 AM
Great appointment and I wish Willie Maher all the best as laois manager. Im looking forward to seeing big Dan on the side line with the laois baseball cap turned backwards!! He will bring a bit of blaa buzz to the set up.

Goalkeepers
E Rowland
C Dunne
E Fleming

Backs
D Hartnett
P Delaney
L Cleere
S Downey
P Dunne
R Mullaney
D Conway
J Kelly
C McEvoy

Midfielders
P Purcell
F Fennell
J Keyes
A Corby
C Stapleton

Forwards
P Maher
C Dwyer
R King
A Dunphy
M Keyes
J Duggan
M Kavanagh
E Lyons
B Conroy
PJ Scully
M Dowling
C Collier
J Ryan
B McGinley

I may have left out an obvious one or two by mistake

The panel above would go very close to winning the Joe Mc. I think the incentive is there for these lads to commit. A big day out in a national final in croke park for players and supports alike should be on the cards here with the chance a la 2019 v Dublin also possible.
I do believe the non-committals will regret not doing all they can when they have the opportunity. The summer in America can still be done as the Joe Mc will be over by then so that's not really a valid excuse anymore either.

The only one I think that could consider retiring is Willie Dunphy. Has had plenty of injury issues down the years and certainly owes the county nothing. Very committed player over the past 10-12 years. Of the panel above id say only maybe 1 or 2 are over the 30 mark and all have lots to offer at county level.

Lets hope Willie can convince them this is worth the effort

I'm fairly certain Lee Cleere is off to Australia in December for the year.

Ben Conroy gone aswell. But lots of good young lads out there to bring into the set up.

Quote from: mcwregor on September 13, 2022, 08:58:48 AM
Great appointment and I wish Willie Maher all the best as laois manager. Im looking forward to seeing big Dan on the side line with the laois baseball cap turned backwards!! He will bring a bit of blaa buzz to the set up.

Goalkeepers
E Rowland
C Dunne
E Fleming

Backs
D Hartnett
P Delaney
L Cleere
S Downey
P Dunne
R Mullaney
D Conway
J Kelly
C McEvoy

Midfielders
P Purcell
F Fennell
J Keyes
A Corby
C Stapleton

Forwards
P Maher
C Dwyer
R King
A Dunphy
M Keyes
J Duggan
M Kavanagh
E Lyons
B Conroy
PJ Scully
M Dowling
C Collier
J Ryan
B McGinley

I may have left out an obvious one or two by mistake

The panel above would go very close to winning the Joe Mc. I think the incentive is there for these lads to commit. A big day out in a national final in croke park for players and supports alike should be on the cards here with the chance a la 2019 v Dublin also possible.
I do believe the non-committals will regret not doing all they can when they have the opportunity. The summer in America can still be done as the Joe Mc will be over by then so that's not really a valid excuse anymore either.

The only one I think that could consider retiring is Willie Dunphy. Has had plenty of injury issues down the years and certainly owes the county nothing. Very committed player over the past 10-12 years. Of the panel above id say only maybe 1 or 2 are over the 30 mark and all have lots to offer at county level.

Lets hope Willie can convince them this is worth the effort

Cha and Downey off travelling as well. Heard Picky will be doubtful for this year's panel. Hopefully a few new faces will join the panel.

Quote from: redsetanta on September 13, 2022, 11:11:37 AM
The addition of Dan Shanahan is a big plus. He's a likeable fella with lots of experience and that bit of charisma.

No guarantee Dan Shanahan is coming on board . Worked previously together alright but currently with Bennettbridge and other offers also on the table from other counties .

Brian Horgan in coaching with Willie Maher, Maybe Dan also

Is Brian Horgan a club coach in Tipperary?

Could be rubbish but I heard that Dan shanahan is definitely on board.  Came from a good source in Waterford who also said that he's very shrewd on the line and very well regarded down there

dan is done

In fairness that's as good a management line up as we could have hoped for.

Well done to whoever got Maher in

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on September 22, 2022, 09:53:25 PM
dan is done

Is he onboard or not?

Maher confirmed it on Our Game podcast

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40972397.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40972397.html)

the dan is in. thats an unreel management team. gas to think all the lads here givin the cb shite. they took there time and got the right men. few lads mite feel bit silly today

Couple of talented underage players coming through the system between the Minor and U20s last season. It's not all doom and gloom as some would have you believe.

I don't believe a lot of people think it's all doom and gloom . I think supporters naturally vented a little frustration at how long it took to appoint a manager . Nothing wrong that . Onwards and upwards now . Cheddar been touted for role with Offaly I hear !?

Cheddar should be given a role within the county if he would take it on.

The promotion, coaching and organisation of underage hurling in the county would benefit from his input.

Quote from: redsetanta on September 30, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
Cheddar should be given a role within the county if he would take it on.

The promotion, coaching and organisation of underage hurling in the county would benefit from his input.

Vital to our progression that someone takes up this role. Cheddar would be ideal for the job. I see kilkenny are employing someone full time to the role of underage structures and development. We need to do this without delay to avoid falling further behind.

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on September 30, 2022, 09:40:11 AM
the dan is in. thats an unreel management team. gas to think all the lads here givin the cb shite. they took there time and got the right men. few lads mite feel bit silly today

I would be of the opinion that an incoming county manager should be confirmed before the quarter final stages of the Laois hurling championship so that they get an opportunity to sample the best Laois club teams hurling do-or-die in order to grasp an appreciation for the state of the game west of Portlaoise.

Quote from: G@@ on October 01, 2022, 11:34:51 PM

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on September 30, 2022, 09:40:11 AM
the dan is in. thats an unreel management team. gas to think all the lads here givin the cb shite. they took there time and got the right men. few lads mite feel bit silly today

I would be of the opinion that an incoming county manager should be confirmed before the quarter final stages of the Laois hurling championship so that they get an opportunity to sample the best Laois club teams hurling do-or-die in order to grasp an appreciation for the state of the game west of Portlaoise.

better ta get the right man now than the wrong man then

It's not the point.
There was sufficient time to get the right man.
Nobody is suggesting rushing for the sake of it/giving the job to anybody at all who wants it.

But

You'd hope that the selection committee and CB are at least privately acknowledging that the process ran on too long.
Identifying why.
Intending that this won't happen the next time etc.

Anybody involved who cannot acknowledge that the length of time it took (& the public manner in which Maher was offered the job) made the process look very amateurish/desperate shouldn't be involved again.

aye, sack the men who got the best man available. by god.

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on October 03, 2022, 08:46:29 AM
aye, sack the men who got the best man available. by god.

Agenda" is a word, taken directly from Latin, meaning "things which must be done." It is often (but not necessarily) used with the negative connotation of "hidden plan."

Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on October 03, 2022, 08:46:29 AM
aye, sack the men who got the best man available. by god.

That's exactly what I said Pat.
You're good at the old reading.

Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 02, 2022, 09:29:41 AM
It's not the point.
There was sufficient time to get the right man.
Nobody is suggesting rushing for the sake of it/giving the job to anybody at all who wants it.

But

You'd hope that the selection committee and CB are at least privately acknowledging that the process ran on too long.
Identifying why.
Intending that this won't happen the next time etc.

Anybody involved who cannot acknowledge that the length of time it took (& the public manner in which Maher was offered the job) made the process look very amateurish/desperate shouldn't be involved again.

It was the same when the current football management was put in place. Missed most of the senior championship.
I know it seems like Maher is a good appointment and hopefully he does a brilliant job but it really could have happened a bit sooner surely.

Anyone know how things are going with the new manager etc.

News on new fella's in or lads not willing to commit for next year?

From listening to him n the podcast he was ready to get going

What podcast?

There's a link on the previous page.

Quote from: redsetanta on October 19, 2022, 10:20:48 AM
Anyone know how things are going with the new manager etc.

News on new fella's in or lads not willing to commit for next year?

From listening to him n the podcast he was ready to get going

Through no fault of his own, he's probably playing catch up a bit. He's probably secretly hoping C/B don't have a huge run in the Leinster club! Billy probably hoping the same with Port!
Are we playing the same 5 teams in the league? i.e. Waterford, Antrim, Dublin, Tipp and Kilkenny?