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Carrick, Nani, Anderson, Brown, O'Shea, Fletch & Saha don't get on the storngest UTD team!!

I said I liked Carragher...but nobody in their right mind can say he's better than Ferdinand!

By the way, Evra, Saha, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani & Brown would have got on that pool team last night!

evra for Riise, Brown for Hyypia, Nani for Benayoun, Anderson for Kewell, Saha for Kuyt & Hargreaves for Neil Lennon!

You're entitled to your opinion.

That is about the kindest thing I can say.

Rafa might have perferred a stronger test for his boys  ahead of mighty ManU at Anfield.   Beating a team 3-0 who are languishing in the lower half of the crap French division might give them a false feeling of invincibility....  Roll on the big clash......

Well no matter what the result tonight United fans were going to find some way to spin it in their favour!

Ireland Christian/Catholic?  Don't know about that these days! not too many in chapel on sundays anymore.

dunno about that,
I have seen a massive about turn in the attendances at mass over the last 15 years.
When I first started going to various churches in Dublin, it was all the older folk
but bit by bit, these old era religious folk have been augmented in number by younger folks, plus younger people with their kids

its not even new areas with population /housing booms either - not from visual evidence of numbers at masses between 'then' and now!

Wouldn't be a bad thing if it would catch on everywhere

Yes, we'd all be better off with a bit more irrationality and wishful thinking in our lives!

does anyone think O'Shea,Ferdinand,Wes Brown,Louis Saha,Gary Neville,Hargreaves,Silverstre are any better than what Liverpool have?

Ferdinand is better than either of Liverpool's central defenders. Gary Neville is a better right back than Steve Finnan. Hargreaves would definitely get on for Liverpool - better than Sissoko or Mascherano.

None of the rest of the players you named would be in United's best XI

Hargreaves better than Mascherano? Doubtful. No debate with Sissoko though.

Ferdinand has improved greatly over the past few years he's been at United. I wouldn't swap him for Carragher or Agger though.

As for Neville, he's solid I suppose, but Finnan (and lately, Arbeloa) are perfectly capable players there for Liverpool. The position is not exactly a weak one for Liverpool either.

From a Finn Harps point of view, I think it would be great. More derby matches with the likes of Omagh Town would be good for attendances.

The same omagh town thats now lost and gone forever? RIP OTFC.

I (obviously!) had not heard that. That's a shame.

From a Finn Harps point of view, I think it would be great. More derby matches with the likes of Omagh Town would be good for attendances.

  Left coast..

You need to lay off the rabid right-wing talk radio Tyrone's Own!

Gaothdobhair has grasped the essential point of this debate. Its the out of sight,out of mind tactic. By driving certain outward expressions of the traditional irish and christian  Christmas out of the public space it is hoped to radically reduce there influence on society. This agenda is not driven by emigrants or people of other faiths. There are more sinister forces at work here, large corporations whose desire to promote a purely consumerist,materialist view of life have long been funding and promoting programmes to eliminate cultural and religious expressions of difference, as these hinder the development of there ability to advertise and promote sales of there products on a world wide basis. It is no accident that the sociology departments,out of which the so called  massive equality and political correctness has grown, are largely funded by big business. This method of social engineering is well tried and tested, the womens liberation movement being its previous big cause.

Are you saying women's lib was a bad thing?

Complete bullshit Stew, but you probably knew that already.

I wouldn't say 'Complete bullshit' - Snopes.com has its status as part true and part false, explaining that generalizations across the UK are indeed false, but that there was one school in Northern England which "avoided selecting the holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils."

taken from page 15 of the following report which stimulated the inital press outcry: http://www.dfes.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/RW100.pdf

Holocaust denial should be confronted at every opportunity. If Muslim holocaust deniers want an honest debate, I'm sure the English will not be found wanting.

If Torres is fit, I think Liverpool might sneak it, as there is more at stake for them than United, plus they're at home. United will concede possession to Liverpool and hit them on the break with Ronaldo, so the first goal will be vital (as always!). Without Torres, Liverpool will struggle to score, as they did last season in the corresponding fixture, despite completely dominating possession.

I think Chelsea may be getting Arsenal at a good time, although if Wenger gets everyone back, I'd fancy them to win it.

Who here has taken Coke??

I havnt--if it is so widespread then many on this board should have taken it

I haven't, but a few of my mates have, as well as a close relative who ended up in rehab (I've had a few relatives in rehab for drink too). My drug use amounts to the very occasional drag of a spliff back in college and a little bit of speed once on a stag weekend in eastern Europe. I've never smoked, so even a drag of cannabis wasn't easy to take!

Can judges be impeached in Australia?

future Christmas's being sterile and totally commercial events

Tell me you're joking GDA! 

Thought someone might pick up on that one! 

But my point remains, although I'd have to agree that Christmas has become very commercial, there are still some aspects of the spiritual and real meaning of Christmas there. But we have to stop the erosion of the Christian aspect to Christmas.

J70 the examples I gave were ones which just came to mind, there are many more, some much worse. I'm sure you could give us any number of examples from the States.

I think the whole Christmas thing is symptomatic of a wider campaign by secularists to drain Christianity from Western Europe! 

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I think you're attributing power where it doesn't exist. How is anyone going to "drain Christianity from Western Europe", shy of some Stalinesque campaign of repression? If people's religion is that valuable to them, it can survive just about anything. Look at Ireland under the Penal Laws. That didn't work too well for the British. How are "secularists" going to achieve what much more powerful forces couldn't?

As I'm sure you'll agree subtle methods work much better the "blunt force" actions - "softly, softly, catchy monkey".
Take for example Coca-cola's advertising campaign over the last half a century or so, it has probably singularly done more to change the "face" of Christmas worldwide then any other organisation (inc. churches).
Small changes every year and you soon forget what it was like before.

You're referring to christmas lights, snow, Santa, that kind of stuff?

If so, what's the problem? People love it. If they didn't respond to it, Coca Cola wouldn't waste their money. Society and culture isn't static, and never has been. As long as such changes aren't forced on people, there's nothing wrong with them.

How the hell can a ten-year old be judgeed to have consented to sex?

future Christmas's being sterile and totally commercial events

Tell me you're joking GDA! 

Thought someone might pick up on that one! 

But my point remains, although I'd have to agree that Christmas has become very commercial, there are still some aspects of the spiritual and real meaning of Christmas there. But we have to stop the erosion of the Christian aspect to Christmas.

J70 the examples I gave were ones which just came to mind, there are many more, some much worse. I'm sure you could give us any number of examples from the States.

I think the whole Christmas thing is symptomatic of a wider campaign by secularists to drain Christianity from Western Europe! 

3...2...1...

I think you're attributing power where it doesn't exist. How is anyone going to "drain Christianity from Western Europe", shy of some Stalinesque campaign of repression? If people's religion is that valuable to them, it can survive just about anything. Look at Ireland under the Penal Laws. That didn't work too well for the British. How are "secularists" going to achieve what much more powerful forces couldn't?