Referring to recent comments by Peter McKenna, GAA Commercial director.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-reveal-34m-loss-in-2020-following-worst-financial-year-in-association-history-40098230.html
I would say the same this year, i would say that another year or two of no gate receipts will be harmful.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-name-amazon-prime-among-new-players-in-mix-to-screen-games-as-34m-losses-revealed-40101115.html
Potentially, we will need subscriptions to Sky Sport, EIR and Amazon Prime to watch games . . . . .
Hopefully. We could do with more decent pundits.
Amazon Prime is actually fantastic value for their overall package. Unlike Sky, I think it would be much more affordable. Although the punditry on Sky is on another level to the RTE product.
I dont understand RTE in all this. SKY have really put it up to them in terms of analysis etc but RTE still have so many advantages over SKY, yet they still do not make any effort to seriously fend off t he attack of pay per view companies. Their offering is shit, their league offering is shit and they lag way behind TG4 too. What sort of clowns run that company?
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
Yep.
Ryle Nugent was head of sport for years, wanted to promote the " team of us" " Irelands main sport" to his friends and ilk. Now its a guy from Monaghan who has a GAA background and played it but you have to get by these guys first:
https://about.rte.ie/inside-rte/rte-executive-board/
You also have Simon Coveneys brother on the board.
I long for Amazon prime to take over GAA and all other sports for that matter. Affordable. Accessible. Great coverage. The sky (excuse the pun) is the limit in terms of what they can do and I would imagine 3D sport viewing, were you sit in the best seat in Flushing Meadows or Old Trafford or Croke Park is only a few years away. I can't wait. RTE's offering is really, really poor.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
An interesting way to describe Declan McBennett
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 18, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
Yep.
Ryle Nugent was head of sport for years, wanted to promote the " team of us" " Irelands main sport" to his friends and ilk. Now its a guy from Monaghan who has a GAA background and played it but you have to get by these guys first:
https://about.rte.ie/inside-rte/rte-executive-board/
You also have Simon Coveneys brother on the board.
Yes bit forget loyalty to one sport or another, from a pure business perspective they have been horrendous. As for rugby, sure they lost that too
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 18, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
Yep.
Ryle Nugent was head of sport for years, wanted to promote the " team of us" " Irelands main sport" to his friends and ilk. Now its a guy from Monaghan who has a GAA background and played it but you have to get by these guys first:
https://about.rte.ie/inside-rte/rte-executive-board/
You also have Simon Coveneys brother on the board.
I think all sports are pissed off with RTE. There is no rugby on RTE of any description so thays not it
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2021, 01:26:10 PM
I dont understand RTE in all this. SKY have really put it up to them in terms of analysis etc but RTE still have so many advantages over SKY, yet they still do not make any effort to seriously fend off t he attack of pay per view companies. Their offering is shit, their league offering is shit and they lag way behind TG4 too. What sort of clowns run that company?
Anybody see the Twitter feed from the anonymous RTE employee a few years ago? All about people rolling in at 10:00, taking two hour lunches, going home at 3:00, unions pushing back on using modern equipment because the older labour-intensive stuff keeps more jobs for the boys, which makes everything look old and primitive. No motivation, no innovation, no competitive spirit.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 18, 2021, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2021, 01:26:10 PM
I dont understand RTE in all this. SKY have really put it up to them in terms of analysis etc but RTE still have so many advantages over SKY, yet they still do not make any effort to seriously fend off t he attack of pay per view companies. Their offering is shit, their league offering is shit and they lag way behind TG4 too. What sort of clowns run that company?
Anybody see the Twitter feed from the anonymous RTE employee a few years ago? All about people rolling in at 10:00, taking two hour lunches, going home at 3:00, unions pushing back on using modern equipment because the older labour-intensive stuff keeps more jobs for the boys, which makes everything look old and primitive. No motivation, no innovation, no competitive spirit.
Good old unions, its a long time since they protected the working classes in any industry.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 18, 2021, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 18, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
Yep.
Ryle Nugent was head of sport for years, wanted to promote the " team of us" " Irelands main sport" to his friends and ilk. Now its a guy from Monaghan who has a GAA background and played it but you have to get by these guys first:
https://about.rte.ie/inside-rte/rte-executive-board/
You also have Simon Coveneys brother on the board.
I think all sports are pissed off with RTE. There is no rugby on RTE of any description so thats not it
True, Nugent was there for years though and his focus was Rugby, that has changed now tbf. Anyway point still stands. Its a clique and near enough family style business.
As for rugby, Women's, team of shes...
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 19, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 18, 2021, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 18, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
Yep.
Ryle Nugent was head of sport for years, wanted to promote the " team of us" " Irelands main sport" to his friends and ilk. Now its a guy from Monaghan who has a GAA background and played it but you have to get by these guys first:
https://about.rte.ie/inside-rte/rte-executive-board/
You also have Simon Coveneys brother on the board.
I think all sports are pissed off with RTE. There is no rugby on RTE of any description so thats not it
True, Nugent was there for years though and his focus was Rugby, that has changed now tbf. Anyway point still stands. Its a clique and near enough family style business.
As for rugby, Women's, team of shes...
Far more to do with Rugby's greed thank RTE Policy that's keeping Rugby Off air.
So is LOI the only Elite sport Rte shows now?
or will Pollyanna on a pony that her daddy paid millions fpr or a lord sliding down the side of a hill on a silver tray still cut it at Olympics
Quote from: rosnarun on February 19, 2021, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 19, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 18, 2021, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 18, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
Yep.
Ryle Nugent was head of sport for years, wanted to promote the " team of us" " Irelands main sport" to his friends and ilk. Now its a guy from Monaghan who has a GAA background and played it but you have to get by these guys first:
https://about.rte.ie/inside-rte/rte-executive-board/
You also have Simon Coveneys brother on the board.
I think all sports are pissed off with RTE. There is no rugby on RTE of any description so thats not it
True, Nugent was there for years though and his focus was Rugby, that has changed now tbf. Anyway point still stands. Its a clique and near enough family style business.
As for rugby, Women's, team of shes...
Far more to do with Rugby's greed thank RTE Policy that's keeping Rugby Off air.
So is LOI the only Elite sport Rte shows now?
or will Pollyanna on a pony that her daddy paid millions fpr or a lord sliding down the side of a hill on a silver tray still cut it at Olympics
LoI clubs want free of RTE. They don't pay them, don't show the number of games they committed to and block other channels showing games they aren't interested in. And they have nixed the stream package. Clubs are now doing their own streams and will see 'RTE in court
Quote from: rosnarun on February 19, 2021, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 19, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 18, 2021, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 18, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Dublin 4 rugger types who have no interest in "Gah, bogball or stickball"
Yep.
Ryle Nugent was head of sport for years, wanted to promote the " team of us" " Irelands main sport" to his friends and ilk. Now its a guy from Monaghan who has a GAA background and played it but you have to get by these guys first:
https://about.rte.ie/inside-rte/rte-executive-board/
You also have Simon Coveneys brother on the board.
I think all sports are pissed off with RTE. There is no rugby on RTE of any description so thats not it
True, Nugent was there for years though and his focus was Rugby, that has changed now tbf. Anyway point still stands. Its a clique and near enough family style business.
As for rugby, Women's, team of shes...
Far more to do with Rugby's greed thank RTE Policy that's keeping Rugby Off air.
So is LOI the only Elite sport Rte shows now?
or will Pollyanna on a pony that her daddy paid millions fpr or a lord sliding down the side of a hill on a silver tray still cut it at Olympics
Virgin/Eir Sport outbid RTE for the 6 nations/Pro 14 rights so while you call it greed most people would call it a sensible business decision.
LOI clubs don't get a cent from RTE/FAI for any games on TV (Delaney deal).
RTE actually have very little live sport now other than the GAA and the Irish football team euro/world cup qualifier games. You would have thought that would mean they would put more into the GAA coverage, but it's still the same stale format they've used for years
A bit off topic, why dont they have or use the background crowd noise for the soccer matches? Is it cost or what?
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
RTE actually have very little live sport now other than the GAA and the Irish football team euro/world cup qualifier games.
I'm not sure of the exact deal, but RTE/BBC/ITV etc only have soccer internationals because UEFA/FIFA mandate that the games (or at least some of them) are on free-to-air TV.
Definitely the case with tournament Finals.
Quote from: Evil Genius on February 19, 2021, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
RTE actually have very little live sport now other than the GAA and the Irish football team euro/world cup qualifier games.
I'm not sure of the exact deal, but RTE/BBC/ITV etc only have soccer internationals because UEFA/FIFA mandate that the games (or at least some of them) are on free-to-air TV.
Definitely the case with tournament Finals.
I think this is the reason. The internationals and the League of Ireland games come together as package.
Perhaps there GAA could look at this model and say to RTÉ that if they want the All Ireland final that they have to try harder with lesser games.
Amazon Prime is good value, so wouldn't mind seeing them take over the GAA season, and the GAA benefitting massively from the finance that would come with it. I'd go the whole hog and sell Amazon the naming rights ... Amazon Croke Park ... and secure the GAA financially for many years to come.
Google Park, Murdoch Field ("Where We All Belong") both have a nice ring to them too . Would it be an idea to ask the volunteers the length and breadth of the country which billionaire they'd like to pay to see the games they've created? Surely that would be fair enough?
Quote from: JoG2 on February 20, 2021, 10:42:26 AM
Google Park, Murdoch Field ("Where We All Belong") both have a nice ring to them too . Would it be an idea to ask the volunteers the length and breadth of the country which billionaire they'd like to pay to see the games they've created? Surely that would be fair enough?
What is the alternative in another year when gate receipts are likely to be zero .... with a 34m deficit in 2020, the current deals with RTE and Sky don't seem to be covering the financial requirements of the association. So why not have Amazon onboard, GAA have the product, only makes financial sense to get what they can from it during these pandemic times ... unless of course RTE wish to to massively increase their payment, and keep all games free to air.
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 19, 2021, 03:33:22 PM
A bit off topic, why dont they have or use the background crowd noise for the soccer matches? Is it cost or what?
No idea, but I'm glad they don't, would rather watch the games in the context of their real atmosphere than with it dubbed over with the fake crowd.
How will poor Johnny up the mountain see Amazon?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
How will poor Johnny up the mountain see Amazon?
F**k Johnny and his mountain
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on February 19, 2021, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
RTE actually have very little live sport now other than the GAA and the Irish football team euro/world cup qualifier games.
I'm not sure of the exact deal, but RTE/BBC/ITV etc only have soccer internationals because UEFA/FIFA mandate that the games (or at least some of them) are on free-to-air TV.
Definitely the case with tournament Finals.
I think this is the reason. The internationals and the League of Ireland games come together as package.
Perhaps there GAA could look at this model and say to RTÉ that if they want the All Ireland final that they have to try harder with lesser games.
This model is a disaster for the LoI though. It was a Delaney idea. I understand there is a difference in that if Waterford v Tipp is shown Waterford wouldn't get paid in contrast to soccer but the FAI trouser every cent and I read somewhere that Rovers lose 1,000 (c€12,000) on the gate when a game is televised. Sponsors are the only winners.
I strongly doubt Amazon will be paying game changing money but streaming is the way forward.
The Economist had a thing a while ago that Amazon see sport, any sport as an advertising vehicle. At the moment PSG games pitchside advertising changes for the country in question. A viewer in Boston, Bordeaux, Belfast and Bejing will have different companies scroll past. Amazon plan to target you specifically.
So stop googling dildo prices if you plan on having people round.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on February 19, 2021, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
RTE actually have very little live sport now other than the GAA and the Irish football team euro/world cup qualifier games.
I'm not sure of the exact deal, but RTE/BBC/ITV etc only have soccer internationals because UEFA/FIFA mandate that the games (or at least some of them) are on free-to-air TV.
Definitely the case with tournament Finals.
I think this is the reason. The internationals and the League of Ireland games come together as package.
Perhaps there GAA could look at this model and say to RTÉ that if they want the All Ireland final that they have to try harder with lesser games.
This model is a disaster for the LoI though. It was a Delaney idea. I understand there is a difference in that if Waterford v Tipp is shown Waterford wouldn't get paid in contrast to soccer but the FAI trouser every cent and I read somewhere that Rovers lose 1,000 (c€12,000) on the gate when a game is televised. Sponsors are the only winners.
I strongly doubt Amazon will be paying game changing money but streaming is the way forward.
The Economist had a thing a while ago that Amazon see sport, any sport as an advertising vehicle. At the moment PSG games pitchside advertising changes for the country in question. A viewer in Boston, Bordeaux, Belfast and Bejing will have different companies scroll past. Amazon plan to target you specifically.
So stop googling dildo prices if you plan on having people round.
if the Clubs in the Chicken league cannot make income from their sponsors when they are getting free undeserved national coverage on the backs of the English lads that play for the 'National' team then they deserve even less than I thought
Quote from: rosnarun on February 23, 2021, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on February 19, 2021, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
RTE actually have very little live sport now other than the GAA and the Irish football team euro/world cup qualifier games.
I'm not sure of the exact deal, but RTE/BBC/ITV etc only have soccer internationals because UEFA/FIFA mandate that the games (or at least some of them) are on free-to-air TV.
Definitely the case with tournament Finals.
I think this is the reason. The internationals and the League of Ireland games come together as package.
Perhaps there GAA could look at this model and say to RTÉ that if they want the All Ireland final that they have to try harder with lesser games.
This model is a disaster for the LoI though. It was a Delaney idea. I understand there is a difference in that if Waterford v Tipp is shown Waterford wouldn't get paid in contrast to soccer but the FAI trouser every cent and I read somewhere that Rovers lose 1,000 (c€12,000) on the gate when a game is televised. Sponsors are the only winners.
I strongly doubt Amazon will be paying game changing money but streaming is the way forward.
The Economist had a thing a while ago that Amazon see sport, any sport as an advertising vehicle. At the moment PSG games pitchside advertising changes for the country in question. A viewer in Boston, Bordeaux, Belfast and Bejing will have different companies scroll past. Amazon plan to target you specifically.
So stop googling dildo prices if you plan on having people round.
if the Clubs in the Chicken league cannot make income from their sponsors when they are getting free undeserved national coverage on the backs of the English lads that play for the 'National' team then they deserve even less than I thought
Thats an interesting take away. And absolute bollocks.
Do yiu think that maybe sports coming together to stand up to RTE might be a better approach?
Quote from: JoG2 on February 20, 2021, 10:42:26 AM
Google Park, Murdoch Field ("Where We All Belong") both have a nice ring to them too . Would it be an idea to ask the volunteers the length and breadth of the country which billionaire they'd like to pay to see the games they've created? Surely that would be fair enough?
Oh, stop it.
The money goes back into the association through the counties and clubs and you know it.
Nobody ever had a divine right to get in and see the games for free, and you know that too.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 23, 2021, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 23, 2021, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on February 19, 2021, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
RTE actually have very little live sport now other than the GAA and the Irish football team euro/world cup qualifier games.
I'm not sure of the exact deal, but RTE/BBC/ITV etc only have soccer internationals because UEFA/FIFA mandate that the games (or at least some of them) are on free-to-air TV.
Definitely the case with tournament Finals.
I think this is the reason. The internationals and the League of Ireland games come together as package.
Perhaps there GAA could look at this model and say to RTÉ that if they want the All Ireland final that they have to try harder with lesser games.
This model is a disaster for the LoI though. It was a Delaney idea. I understand there is a difference in that if Waterford v Tipp is shown Waterford wouldn't get paid in contrast to soccer but the FAI trouser every cent and I read somewhere that Rovers lose 1,000 (c€12,000) on the gate when a game is televised. Sponsors are the only winners.
I strongly doubt Amazon will be paying game changing money but streaming is the way forward.
The Economist had a thing a while ago that Amazon see sport, any sport as an advertising vehicle. At the moment PSG games pitchside advertising changes for the country in question. A viewer in Boston, Bordeaux, Belfast and Bejing will have different companies scroll past. Amazon plan to target you specifically.
So stop googling dildo prices if you plan on having people round.
if the Clubs in the Chicken league cannot make income from their sponsors when they are getting free undeserved national coverage on the backs of the English lads that play for the 'National' team then they deserve even less than I thought
Thats an interesting take away. And absolute bollocks.
Do yiu think that maybe sports coming together to stand up to RTE might be a better approach?
The GAA would be better off staying away from anything & everything to do with that 2 bit Mickey Mouse league
Quote from: Taylor on February 23, 2021, 06:22:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 23, 2021, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 23, 2021, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on February 19, 2021, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
RTE actually have very little live sport now other than the GAA and the Irish football team euro/world cup qualifier games.
I'm not sure of the exact deal, but RTE/BBC/ITV etc only have soccer internationals because UEFA/FIFA mandate that the games (or at least some of them) are on free-to-air TV.
Definitely the case with tournament Finals.
I think this is the reason. The internationals and the League of Ireland games come together as package.
Perhaps there GAA could look at this model and say to RTÉ that if they want the All Ireland final that they have to try harder with lesser games.
This model is a disaster for the LoI though. It was a Delaney idea. I understand there is a difference in that if Waterford v Tipp is shown Waterford wouldn't get paid in contrast to soccer but the FAI trouser every cent and I read somewhere that Rovers lose 1,000 (c€12,000) on the gate when a game is televised. Sponsors are the only winners.
I strongly doubt Amazon will be paying game changing money but streaming is the way forward.
The Economist had a thing a while ago that Amazon see sport, any sport as an advertising vehicle. At the moment PSG games pitchside advertising changes for the country in question. A viewer in Boston, Bordeaux, Belfast and Bejing will have different companies scroll past. Amazon plan to target you specifically.
So stop googling dildo prices if you plan on having people round.
if the Clubs in the Chicken league cannot make income from their sponsors when they are getting free undeserved national coverage on the backs of the English lads that play for the 'National' team then they deserve even less than I thought
Thats an interesting take away. And absolute bollocks.
Do yiu think that maybe sports coming together to stand up to RTE might be a better approach?
The GAA would be better off staying away from anything & everything to do with that 2 bit Mickey Mouse league
The 2 bit mickey mouse league that is trusted to play when the GAA isn't?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
How will poor Johnny up the mountain see Amazon?
I'm not up a mountain, but thanks for the concern.
but to answer the question, the same way some of us in the north saw TV3. We didn't and zero fucks were given.
Exactly. Not one shite was given about not getting TV3.