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Title: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 19, 2006, 03:02:32 PM
I can't find the old thread, maybe it got lost along with drici in the great migration to the new board.

Anyway, has anyone got any nags laid out for christmas, or anything shaping up nicely for cheltenham. Its always nice to boost the beer fund at the expense of some local shark. ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2006, 01:17:08 AM
Maddog these are seasonal tips and nothing else.

Christmas Truce in 3.00 at Linfield must be a seasonal tip at this time of year and
for the hurling fans
Kylkenny in the 2.30 at Lingfield. This horse is an outsider.
Finally I would NOT throw the Kitchen Sink at this horse in the 3.35 at Lingfield.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 20, 2006, 09:49:51 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2006, 01:17:08 AM
Maddog these are seasonal tips and nothing else.

Christmas Truce in 3.00 at Linfield must be a seasonal tip at this time of year and
for the hurling fans

I've followed this nag for a while(after seeing his jockey pull the head of it and get it beaten on purpose), I did of course not back it when it skated in at 50/1? a while later :-[.  It ran on saturday(badly), but I think it is a coup waiting to happen and today could be the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 20, 2006, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2006, 01:17:08 AM
Christmas Truce in 3.00 at Linfield
The pitch'll be in some state after 6 races in this weather.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on December 20, 2006, 10:39:47 AM
Christmas Truce

Currently trading at 8/1

Might try it,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2006, 12:18:13 PM
Go easy spirit. Remember benny's advice. It usually wins at a big price. Have a tenner on myself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BenDover on December 20, 2006, 01:07:52 PM
with Boxing day fast approaching can someone please explain to me how a Lucky 15 works might just save myself a fortune if I can figure out how to work 1 instead of sticking money on evry race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on December 20, 2006, 01:43:50 PM
Lucky 15
4 horses
15 bets -4 singles, 6 doubles, 4 trebles & a 4 timer
Bookies normally pay twice or treble the odd is you have only one winner
I think
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2006, 01:47:12 PM
In a lucky 15 you basically are making 15 bets. a €1 lucky 15 will cost you €15.

You pick 4 horses, and your bets are as follows.

4 Singles  @ €1

6 Doubles @ €1

4 Trebles @ €1

1 Accumulator @ €1

If they all come up, even at short prices you would be quids in. If you only get one winner, the odds are normally between twice and 3 times the actual odds for that horse depending on the bookie. PP pays 3 times.

E.g. I have a €1 lucky 15. My first three horses lose. My last fella wins at 10/1. Paddy Power will actually pay me 30/1 on that bet, which would be a €31 return.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BenDover on December 20, 2006, 02:17:20 PM
Cheers for the help lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2006, 02:19:48 PM
Any odds on that Christmas Truce??

BenDover, I usually do €3 Lucky Fifteens. It feels like a good bet for less than 50 quid. All the more so if you have a good tip included.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on December 20, 2006, 02:43:04 PM
Christmas Truce - 8/1 At McGranaghan's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on December 20, 2006, 02:43:45 PM
Generally 7s but 8/1 with bet365

Got ther before me Guillem
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2006, 02:45:23 PM
Grand job. Only have a PP account online, so I took him at 7s there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on December 20, 2006, 03:02:54 PM
Pipped at the post, long timer leader
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on December 20, 2006, 03:03:36 PM
Just beaten
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 20, 2006, 03:08:49 PM
ew at 7/1 so money back and the price of a pint maybe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on December 20, 2006, 03:15:13 PM
On the nose, so glass of water here!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 20, 2006, 03:16:58 PM
3.00 - Lingfield
1st: 4 Blackmail (USA) 6-1
2nd: 5 Christmas Truce (IRE) 13-2  
Tote Win £6.80 Pl £2.20, £4.00 EX £35.80 SF £46.53 Winning Trainer P Mitchell Winning Jockey E Ahern Distances hd Paparaazi 11-8 fav 7 ran Non runners 6, 8  


Backed it straight :-[, that was probably the race it was set up for as well, last time it won it was out again within days with a 5lb penalty but was beaten into second if I remember correctly. Could be worth watching out for if racing with similar shite horses again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2006, 03:23:43 PM
Where'd he finish? 2nd?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2006, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2006, 03:23:43 PM
Where'd he finish? 2nd?
Yes, cornered in the shadow of the post. Bloody typical :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2006, 03:29:20 PM
I did a bit of each way on him. Covered my losses sure.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BenDover on December 20, 2006, 03:42:42 PM
Kitchen Sink was just beat by the fav Cree @ 3.35 Lingfield
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: umgolaarmagh on December 20, 2006, 03:57:39 PM
Kylkenny let me down for what would have been a nice treble
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2006, 04:13:04 PM
Anything for Kempton to pass the last hour or so before hometime?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2006, 04:29:04 PM
Quote from: umgolaarmagh on December 20, 2006, 03:57:39 PM
Kylkenny let me down for what would have been a nice treble
Any details umg?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: umgolaarmagh on December 20, 2006, 04:30:53 PM
Kylkenny was even placed, so lost the bet in the first race, the other two came good
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2006, 04:34:13 PM
Quote from: umgolaarmagh on December 20, 2006, 04:30:53 PM
Kylkenny was even placed, so lost the bet in the first race, the other two came good

Kylkenny
dwelt, held up well in rear, no progress when hampered on inner over 2f out

He was 12th at 50/1 UMG
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 21, 2006, 10:10:15 AM
Anyone have anything 4 2day???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 21, 2006, 10:31:31 AM
Quote from: cavan4ever on December 21, 2006, 10:10:15 AM
Anyone have anything 4 2day???

There is a Barney Curley runner at wolverhampton called Bold Phoenix with Eddie Ahern up. You never know whether a curley runner is trying or not but watch the market. Another one at Ludlow is Jimmy Tennis. Horse used to be rated much higher than it is now. I'll be having a bit EW on both of them.
Note these are not tips and i'd normally stop a train.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 21, 2006, 10:36:05 AM
Tyrone Sam 3.30 at Lingfield for all you Tyrone fans???

These horses come with a severe warning. I could stop a truck my luck is so bad at the moment as witnessed by the close seconds yesterday.

Malletton 1.10  ludlow
Jarro 1.40 ludlow
Darkshape 2.10 ludlow
Jimmy tennis 2.40 Ludlow

Would recommend no more than 50p/60c yankee or lucky 15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 21, 2006, 10:37:46 AM
QuoteNote these are not tips and i'd normally stop a train.
QuoteI could stop a truck my luck is so bad at the moment

Maybe we should go into business together Maddog :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on December 21, 2006, 02:29:14 PM


Malletton 1.10  ludlow    --------- 4th at 14/1
Jarro 1.40 ludlow           --------- 1st at 11/2
Darkshape 2.10 ludlow    --------- 3rd at 9/4
Jimmy tennis 2.40 Ludlow    Curently trading at 8s

A wee sweat for a loka poun
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 21, 2006, 02:33:49 PM
Spirit I don't think you get paid on Malleton 4th as only 13 ran. Have you done it EW?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on December 21, 2006, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on December 21, 2006, 02:29:14 PM


Malletton 1.10 ludlow --------- 4th at 14/1
Jarro 1.40 ludlow --------- 1st at 11/2
Darkshape 2.10 ludlow --------- 3rd at 9/4
Jimmy tennis 2.40 Ludlow Curently trading at 8s

A wee sweat for a loka poun

Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 21, 2006, 02:33:49 PM
Spirit I don't think you get paid on Malleton 4th as only 13 ran. Have you done it EW?

Did a 50p ew lucky,  (halfers with a colleague)

I know I dont get paid on the 4th

I did say only a lok

Any wizards work out what im in for if it win/place (prob bad luck but im so bored i don't care)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 21, 2006, 02:41:06 PM
About £18 if he is placed?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 21, 2006, 02:44:24 PM
A useful wee link, although I haven't been using it much lately :-[

http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/calculator/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 21, 2006, 02:50:24 PM
Jimmy tennis stuffed :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BenDover on December 21, 2006, 02:53:53 PM
I'd Jarro, Malletton >:( and Darkshape on a 5er e/w treble 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 21, 2006, 03:12:59 PM
The biggest marketmover of the day is Networker - 5.20@Wolv, it's been backed into 9/4jf, from 8's.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 22, 2006, 09:33:43 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 21, 2006, 03:12:59 PM
The biggest marketmover of the day is Networker - 5.20@Wolv, it's been backed into 9/4jf, from 8's.

Networker won handily @9/2!!! ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 22, 2006, 10:12:30 AM
seen as i missed networker ysterday have u any 4 today benny???? 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 22, 2006, 11:05:12 AM
Think I'll have go at Kickahead 2.30@ Hereford, 7 or 8/1 in different papers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on December 22, 2006, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 22, 2006, 11:05:12 AM
Think I'll have go at Kickahead 2.30@ Hereford, 7 or 8/1 in different papers.

Beaten, Pulled up (Saddle slipped, just our luck) 11/2

Better luck on Boxi... oh sorry St Stephens day. I'm off. Happy Christmas to the Horsey lovers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on December 26, 2006, 01:39:18 PM
I suppose you are all in the pubs...

No tips today lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 04, 2007, 02:09:57 PM
Fancy Swift Sailor today in the 3.10@Fontwell, got it at 7/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2007, 03:52:21 PM
QuoteFancy Swift Sailor today in the 3.10@Fontwell, got it at 7/2.

Thrid Benny. Start the year as we mean to go on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 01, 2007, 02:20:21 PM
Acknowledgement
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 01, 2007, 02:35:29 PM
Finished last!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on February 01, 2007, 02:55:45 PM
Lady Bling Bling Towcester 3.30pm 6/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BenDover on February 01, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
I've seen on another board posted for the wkend look out for a horse called 'Mountain' and 'Scarvagh Diamond'  racing at Wetherby this coming Saturday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 01, 2007, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: BenDover on February 01, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
I've seen on another board posted for the wkend look out for a horse called 'Mountain' and 'Scarvagh Diamond'  racing at Wetherby this coming Saturday

both are entered at Wetherby and both are entered for races during the cheltenham festival. That mountain was a smart flat horse and was pulled out of a hot race at cheltenham last weekend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 02, 2007, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 01, 2007, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: BenDover on February 01, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
I've seen on another board posted for the wkend look out for a horse called 'Mountain' and 'Scarvagh Diamond'  racing at Wetherby this coming Saturday
both are entered at Wetherby and both are entered for races during the cheltenham festival. That mountain was a smart flat horse and was pulled out of a hot race at cheltenham last weekend
Are you saying Mountain will enjoy the climb at the end of Cheltenham Maddog?

What about Climate Change today at Chepstow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 02, 2007, 01:13:24 PM
Scarvagh Diamond  is running at Whetherby 3.00pm Saturday but Mountain is out at Sandwon. 1.00pm.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on February 15, 2007, 11:38:00 AM

Sir Rique
2.40 Chepstow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thebandit on February 15, 2007, 12:42:10 PM
What are the odds?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on February 15, 2007, 12:49:33 PM
5/2 2nd Fav
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 15, 2007, 01:09:51 PM
Grangehill Dancer 3.55 Thurles
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 15, 2007, 02:37:00 PM
Sorry, but got a tip for Goldfinger at Thurles today. Won at 10-1. Completely forgot about posting it here.

Have one for Dubai at 4 if interested.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SlimShady on February 15, 2007, 02:40:11 PM
yes, and i had a tip for English City at Exeter today which won at 33/1. Sorry, i forgot.

::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on February 15, 2007, 02:41:00 PM
Lets hear it then!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on February 15, 2007, 02:45:47 PM
whats the dubai tip?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 15, 2007, 02:48:57 PM
The King's son is fancied but not as hot as the James Bond number above. Twas given to me by a tamino - a young'un from Tamnamore.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on February 15, 2007, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2007, 02:37:00 PM
Sorry, but got a tip for Goldfinger at Thurles today. Won at 10-1. Completely forgot about posting it here.

Have one for Dubai at 4 if interested.

It won looking round him as well, i was on the second- By the brook at 9/1 :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on February 15, 2007, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on February 15, 2007, 11:38:00 AM

Sir Rique
2.40 Chepstow


Stuffed - At least i'm consistent

Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2007, 02:48:57 PM
The King's son is fancied but not as hot as the James Bond number above. Twas given to me by a tamino - a young'un from Tamnamore.

Is that the favourate Prince Tamino
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 15, 2007, 03:22:22 PM
Bollix to that. Is he favourite? I was told he'd be well-priced.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on February 15, 2007, 04:37:47 PM
anyone else back this donkey.. i put my last 25 quid from my online account on him.  Thats 50 ive lost 2day  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 15, 2007, 04:43:02 PM
Has anyone on this thread picked a winner yet, apart from those who told us about them AFTER the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SlimShady on February 15, 2007, 04:45:37 PM
if you take any of the tips off this board you deserve all you get as they're all either made up (like ONeills tips) or just plain crap (like Maddogs tips!!!)

any tips i get i dont post them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on February 15, 2007, 04:48:32 PM
Today was first day i bothered backing a horse tipped from here and he was favourite with money going on him so i though it was worth it. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on February 15, 2007, 05:07:45 PM
Admin- shut this feckin thread down, we're all losing a fortune!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 15, 2007, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on February 15, 2007, 05:07:45 PM
Admin- shut this feckin thread down, we're all losing a fortune!

First winner I've seen on this thread.  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 15, 2007, 05:47:37 PM
When I heard it was 15/8 favourite I didn't bother putting a dime on it. How can a bookie's tip be a tip?

To be fair, the biggest sum I won on horses was from a tip on gaaboard (old) by Budwiser. In fact he scored two biggies in a row.

Quoteany tips i get i dont post them.

You are, my friend, what they call a leech. Nothing to offer, just a parasite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 15, 2007, 09:53:00 PM
I remember Bud suggesting that we look at the lad with the speech impediment. I got on Stutter @ Leopardstown. He won @ 20/1. Two weeks later won @ 8/1. Those were the days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 15, 2007, 10:10:36 PM
Some of Bud's tips had a Carberry-Hourigan partnership. Recently I have been following Carberry-Meade and Goldfinger today was one such success.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 16, 2007, 12:30:25 AM
BIG TIP on Yellow Snow


Don't eat it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 16, 2007, 01:16:33 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on February 16, 2007, 12:30:25 AM
BIG TIP on Yellow Snow
Don't eat it.
ur ine a funny mood Drinking harp :D


(http://www.snowgo.com/images/yellowsnow.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 16, 2007, 06:33:29 AM
never kick a ball your like Carrot Top there with a prop  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 22, 2007, 10:36:44 AM
A couple of Meade-Carberry running today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 22, 2007, 10:42:31 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 22, 2007, 10:36:44 AM
A couple of Meade-Carberry running today.

Observation or a slender or pointed end O'Neill?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maxpower on February 22, 2007, 12:20:50 PM
Its a strange few weeks for racing leading up to cheltenham.

Think of the Meade-Carberry partnership Running Wild looks the best bet, thats the one i'll be going for so its a sure thing Mark the Man will win and Running Wild will probaly be pulled up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maxpower on February 22, 2007, 12:22:00 PM
Clonmel abandoned
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 22, 2007, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: maxpower on February 22, 2007, 12:22:00 PM
Clonmel abandoned

Finally, a profitable day!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on February 22, 2007, 03:15:13 PM
Do these meadr carrberry horses always win?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 22, 2007, 03:38:11 PM
Buds line of info seemed to involve J Carr/ Philip Carberry osses. Sublimity would be main horse in that yard these days. Any update of cheltenham target and well being appreciated  :).

Home of Hurling was best man for tips round here though. Put up Faasel 2 years ago ( placed at 33/1) and Premier Dane last year.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 23, 2007, 09:50:44 PM
Bud gave us Stutter who won @ 20/1 and 8/1. God bless you Budswiser!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 23, 2007, 11:00:25 PM
Meade horses tomorrow -

Rock House  - she's running at Fairyhouse 2.10. I'd stay away. Fell last time out. Never won in 8 attempts with a second and 3 thirds. Probably it's biggest price yet though with some quoting 66-1.

2.40  Island Life - seven runs and placed 5 times with 2 wins although 3rd last time out when odds-on. Prob 4-1. Prob Carberry. Prob win.
3.45 Saddlers Brook. Very interested. Ran once, finished 3rd of 12. The lady Carberry on her. Prob 8-1.
4.20 Riccardo. Madden riding. One win from 6 and that was the debut at 9/4. Usually Carberry. Madden rode once before finishing 5th from 27. Adventurous around 33-1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 23, 2007, 11:05:08 PM
Topical GAAboard bets tomorrow -

Hello Bud 2.10 @100-1

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on February 24, 2007, 03:08:12 PM
Didn't see the first Carberry/Meade at 2.10. 16-1, led from start but weakened about 4 out. Looked a good e/w til that. Finished 5th from 18
2.40. Another 5th at 6-1. 13 ran
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SlimShady on February 26, 2007, 04:43:46 PM
what is the shortest price anyone has ever seen a horse?

Jeveigneur won today at 1/20!!

i've never seen a horse at such a price. even though it was a 3 horse race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 18, 2007, 01:57:55 PM
Buds line of info seemed to involve J Carr/ Philip Carberry osses. Sublimity would be main horse in that yard these days. Any update of cheltenham target and well being appreciated  . posted feb 22

bud knew. where is he anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Bottom Brick on March 19, 2007, 01:26:25 PM
There was a 1/16 shot beaten in England 3 or 4 years ago...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on May 26, 2007, 03:15:30 PM
Aqmaar 3.40 Haydock. Around 10-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on May 26, 2007, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 26, 2007, 03:15:30 PM
Aqmaar 3.40 Haydock. Around 10-1

did it win?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 26, 2007, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 26, 2007, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 26, 2007, 03:15:30 PM
Aqmaar 3.40 Haydock. Around 10-1

did it win?

No >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on May 27, 2007, 10:39:44 AM
I'm backing Liefly in Leopardstown on Wednesday !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on May 27, 2007, 02:11:54 PM
Kempes at the Curragh today, money been pouring in to it all day, working here and we've been plagued with people looking on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on May 27, 2007, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: Stranworst on May 27, 2007, 02:11:54 PM
Kempes at the Curragh today, money been pouring in to it all day, working here and we've been plagued with people looking on it

Headed on the line Stranworst at 9/1. Bloody typical.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on May 28, 2007, 12:05:41 AM
Quote from: Stranworst on May 27, 2007, 02:11:54 PM
Kempes at the Curragh today, money been pouring in to it all day, working here and we've been plagued with people looking on it

Isn't Joe Kernan connected to that horse?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on May 28, 2007, 09:36:59 AM
QuoteIsn't Joe Kernan connected to that horse?

If he was dragging his weight around with him it is no wonder he lost
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on May 28, 2007, 10:57:36 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on May 27, 2007, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: Stranworst on May 27, 2007, 02:11:54 PM
Kempes at the Curragh today, money been pouring in to it all day, working here and we've been plagued with people looking on it

Headed on the line Stranworst at 9/1. Bloody typical.
Quote from: ONeill on May 28, 2007, 12:05:41 AM
Quote from: Stranworst on May 27, 2007, 02:11:54 PM
Kempes at the Curragh today, money been pouring in to it all day, working here and we've been plagued with people looking on it

Isn't Joe Kernan connected to that horse?

Apparently the trainer put the defeat down to a lack of support at the venue. If he is that's two short head defeats on one day for Joe. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on May 28, 2007, 10:59:53 AM
Frances Crowley became the first woman to train an Ulster Derby winner when 3-1 joint favourite Kempes won by two-and-half lengths at Down Royal.
Kempes, ridden by Crowley's husband Pat Smullen, won from the other 3-1 shot Callow Lake with Swiss Cottage in third place at 5-1.
The win was great news for Armagh GAA manager Joe Kernan on the eve of his semi-final replay against Fermanagh.
Kernan is a member of the Three Cheers syndicate which owns Kempes.

A sickening weekend for Joe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/other_sports/horse_racing/5113636.stm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on May 28, 2007, 11:05:43 AM
Was absolutely ripping yesterday, I'd backed Kempes and was hoping for a nice wee earner! Did it each way though so got a bit back, not to be sniffed at!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on May 28, 2007, 10:51:31 PM
This betting really should be banded. It's encourageing young people to gamble and that's not what a GAA Board should be about!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on May 29, 2007, 07:26:24 AM
Liefly tomorrow?  Changed my mind, not backing this little filly.  Might as well take my score and put it on Laois for the Leinster.  Too much trouble in the stalls, wants to sit down and fold its front legs. "The stable jockey is riding it because the horse is more used to him and might not sit down"   Its a six furlong sprint FFS !!.  I have backed horses in my time that tried and failed but by Jaysus I never want to back one that is sitting down with its arms folded with a stable lad appealing to it to get off its arse, "because the horse knows him" !    Dog meat, Tin, Albert Reynolds processing plant....etc.  Go for it if ye want but, as our mo"thers used to say, don't come crying to me if you fall off the wall.


"This betting really should be banded. It's encourageing young people to gamble and that's not what a GAA Board should be about!"

This is the non-gaa discussion board. It is an escape from the humdrum of the GAA that many of us like. I sincerely hope that the horse racing thread is the most upsetting thing you come across on the internet.  I am sure the lads that place an odd bet are not standing on village street corners sucking on a cigarette but with no arse in their trousers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 29, 2007, 09:42:49 AM
That's a strange one all right Bud. I'd have hoped the reason for putting the stable jockey up was that he was the pick of the stable. I'll steer clear, as you suggest - and we'll say nothing if it comes in at 10/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on May 29, 2007, 11:32:41 AM
Anything for Ballinrobe this evening lads ?  I plan on headin down there later to make a few €uro's for next weeks siesta in the sun ..............
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mooncatiii on May 29, 2007, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on May 28, 2007, 10:51:31 PM
This betting really should be banded. It's encourageing young people to gamble and that's not what a GAA Board should be about!

thats why this is the non GAA discussion board
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on May 29, 2007, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: mooncatiii on May 29, 2007, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on May 28, 2007, 10:51:31 PM
This betting really should be banded. It's encourageing young people to gamble and that's not what a GAA Board should be about!

thats why this is the non GAA discussion board

But it's ok for the football and Hurling betting thread to be on the GAA Board , cos its not really betting just a bit of craic.  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on May 29, 2007, 02:23:57 PM
The stable jockey has been demoted from Liefly now and one of Magniers lads is going on board. Says he is still sitting down in the stalls.  Did anyone ever see a horse sitting down?  I think now I will put a fiver each way on it although he is in among horses from top trainers.

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.horsetrace.com/gallery/albums/Funny/shan.sized.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.horsetrace.com/gallery/Funny/shan&h=480&w=640&sz=129&hl=en&start=51&tbnid=cdzMWBE-SWDm2M:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on May 29, 2007, 02:33:27 PM
There seems to be a lot of reasons why a person wouldn't back this horse, but seen as its up here i will put a  small e.w on it 4 the craic.   

The sitting down in the stalls is a worry though  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on May 29, 2007, 08:50:39 PM
Who is this horse you's are all goping on about?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on May 30, 2007, 10:32:56 AM
So is this liefly nailed on then or what????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 30, 2007, 11:11:33 AM
She's at 25s today on Bet365 Bud. Is she still sitting down with folded arms, or does she fancy a gallop?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on May 30, 2007, 12:28:38 PM
Manilou, issued 12;18pm.


"On behalf of myself and the jockey who was yawning getting off me in Punchestown I wish to apologise for my performance on that day.  I know some of you footballers will understand how it can all go wrong. Now I'm hearing about some upstart called Liefly trying to upstage me or something and who thinks themselves so important that like J Lo they want a chair to be located in the starting stalls so they can sit down waiting for the start." 

"My advice is keep yer money in yer pockets and don't have anything to do with this newcomer at all.  I am running  on this Saturday evening and I intend to give it the full lash.  There is only one thing, me father and him before him were plough men and in their custom I am fond of the soft ground, never have won a race on hard stuff and never will.  Looking out through the half door down here now it is raining so I'm going for a win on Saturday at about 33/1 to try and make up for my sins at Punchestown"

Anyone going down there on Sat fond of a pint can meet for one out of the winnings as I am fairly fond of the odd pint!
http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sparkvideos.com/funnypics/horsebeer.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sparkvideos.com/horsebeer.shtml&h=468&w=400&sz=33&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=pYsr2d1INqdmvM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhorse%2Bdrinking%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 30, 2007, 02:15:34 PM
Liefly is said to be very keyed up in readiness for the 6:30 at Leopardstown. We sent a photographer
to Tyrrell's stable this morning.

www.geocities.com/hardyarse/liefly.jpg (http://www.geocities.com/hardyarse/liefly.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on May 30, 2007, 06:44:46 PM
any result yet... I diddnt bet it, forgot about it, was going to be a small punt
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenmachine on May 30, 2007, 06:52:22 PM
didnt place anyway, favourite won.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on May 30, 2007, 06:58:54 PM
7th/12th
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 30, 2007, 07:11:08 PM
Obviously decided the weather wasn't worth getting up out of the chair for. Oh well, only a tenner. And Bud did warn us....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on May 30, 2007, 07:17:36 PM
33-1 - towards rear, ridden after halfway, kept on straight opened 25/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on May 31, 2007, 02:28:48 AM
Well, I did say not to back it, who would back a horse sitting down waiting for the start of a race?

Manilou on Saturday, Royals on Sunday, Laois for Leinster and Councillor Hickey to loose his seat in the next election?

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 01, 2007, 05:22:50 PM
what the going at the minute in Punchestown?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on June 02, 2007, 08:59:36 AM
Mr Hardy best price 4/1 2:30 epsom.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 02, 2007, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on June 02, 2007, 08:59:36 AM
Mr Hardy best price 4/1 2:30 epsom.



Irish Jig is in the same race and will like the bit of cut in the ground and is not going over to make up the numbers, but at best price 11/2 might be a bit skimpy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 02, 2007, 01:41:14 PM
what race is it running in?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 02, 2007, 01:54:16 PM
8.20 at Kilbeggan.

Verschoyles Lad in same race but I'm on Manilou.

Anyone know how you get the SP for a horse running at Naas on Saturday?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 02, 2007, 03:43:31 PM
Is it early prices you're after Bud? You probably won't find prices on a meeting like that until the day,  or Betfair the day before - www.betfair.com. Otherwise, you could always ask for a price in a shop or on the phone. I don't know if most of them would accommodate you unless it was for a substantial amount but you're probably better anyway to wait until the day and get on early if you think there'll be a lot of money for it. www.oddschecker.com is great for checking out who's offering the best prices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyroneboi on June 02, 2007, 04:20:25 PM
anyone backing Authorized?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hitzelsperger on June 02, 2007, 05:40:27 PM
they could have pulled a man out of the crowd today to  ride Authorised and it would have still won...simply awesome horse!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on June 02, 2007, 08:30:28 PM
You beauty - got it at 5-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 02, 2007, 08:36:16 PM
You mean you just barely got it by 5/1.  I'm in the bed having a rest and I was standing up on it shouting, I'd say the neighbours thought someone was giving the wife a hard time with "Go on, for fcuks sake go on...."  Best I could get was 6/1.

Should have been dead heat looking at the photo?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 02, 2007, 08:37:11 PM
Good man Bud, fair play. I thought he was going to be scripting another apology for a while, but he got up very well.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 02, 2007, 08:49:16 PM
QuoteGood man Bud, fair play. I thought he was going to be scripting another apology for a while, but he got up very well.

He'll be walking around the stables with the head up in the air now for another week or two full of himself and demanding days in the swimming pool before Galway.  The jockey did a good job, see him switching the whip coming round the last furlong and lashing him out of it?  That's where the problem has been, he would never quicken on the run in.  AT least we got back a few bob from our loss at Punchestown.

Liefly was in amomng horses bought for £200,000 in Leopardstown and not just one, but a few of that calibre so Tiochfaid his La! He even pissed off a few of the big boys who didn't run as well but was out of his dept on his first attempt.  Wait 'till he starts headbutting the door of the starting stalls wanting to get out instead of wanting to sit down!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 02, 2007, 08:56:02 PM
Bud, your a gent 6/1 in Eastwoods earlier on   ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 03, 2007, 09:21:32 AM
I got her at 5s. Thank you Bud. When did you start backing horses Square Ball?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 03, 2007, 09:29:59 AM
when tips started winning!!!! No i am a once in a blue moon punter, its one vice I dont have.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 03, 2007, 09:31:51 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 03, 2007, 09:29:59 AM
when tips started winning!!!! No i am a once in a blue moon punter, its one vice I dont have.
The only one!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 04, 2007, 08:48:58 AM
God bless ye Bud! had a few of us on it at 11/2 and made a fair few quid  ;) i owe ye a beer!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 04, 2007, 09:14:49 AM
Nice one Bud, 11/2 with William hills. Happy days. 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 04, 2007, 10:51:42 AM
See they started cleaning the Spire in O'Connell St. (after demolishing my phone poedestal in the process)

Drove up O'Connell St yesterday and there they had a big Slingbox lowered down over and around the spike and the boyos scrubbing away for €280,000 worth of cleaning. I mention all of this because of a horse I am backing in Naas today.  So there you have it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 04, 2007, 10:54:01 AM
ah for fcuk sake, i hate these cryptic yokes...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on June 04, 2007, 10:59:12 AM
Came last, last time out in Naas?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 04, 2007, 10:59:52 AM
Sling Back, Slim, Sling Back, Sling Back.

http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card098200706041440.htm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 04, 2007, 11:04:22 AM
cheers bud, had a scan through the paper and thought that was the one but wasnt too sure. any early price for it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 04, 2007, 11:08:19 AM
When I woke up this morning after watching Ciaran Wheelan walking around Croke Park with his hands on his hips like he was looking for mushrooms and turned on my Paddy Power web page it said "Hi Tom, your balance is 00.00"

So if Sling Back fell over the line on top of his head half an hour after the others I am putting an E/W bet on him today, providing it does not piss rain from the heavens between now and when he is lined up.  Same rules apply, don't come crying to me if ye fall off the wall.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 04, 2007, 02:50:27 PM
not placed in the 1st 4. ah well, not to worry!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 05, 2007, 11:03:02 AM
I am worried Slim, put my last few bob of the week on it, heard at the last minute that the going was too soft so a disaster all round. I though at one stage he was going to make it up the outside but not to be.  He has to win the next race, he is threathened with the same fate as Manilou, dog meat in an Albert Reynolds tin if he doesn't win for the owners to keep him fed so he will probably end up in a donkey race somewhere in the coming weeks.  Sorry about that
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 05, 2007, 11:05:13 AM
wise up man, its no big deal. sure wasn't it only a fraction of what i got off Manilou  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 05, 2007, 12:52:58 PM
Don't be daft Bud. Why would you be apologising to us?? :) Anyway, we'll keep an eye out for him in good ground....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 05, 2007, 01:04:34 PM
Apology accepted Bud ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 05, 2007, 01:04:46 PM
Bud, was on it too and fair play to you. was at the dogs in Galway so had to settle for SP. Nearly had a canary with that last jump but it got up well to sneak it. Good man.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 05, 2007, 03:38:16 PM
I have to make an embarrassing confession. I wasn't paying attention here and missed Bud's recommendation for Manilou this time and knew nothing about it until I saw the result.

Never mind - we're still way ahead because of Controvento alone.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 05, 2007, 03:48:54 PM
QuoteI wasn't paying attention here

It might be worth paying attention to the 8.00 at the curragh on Saturday night. ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 05, 2007, 03:52:13 PM
oh my goodness, whats happening then MD? is Manilou out again? or perhaps Sling Back?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 05, 2007, 03:58:56 PM
Thanks maddog. We'll assume this is the one where the owners demand a win - unless we hear otherwise from Bud.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 05, 2007, 04:09:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 05, 2007, 03:58:56 PM
Thanks maddog. We'll assume this is the one where the owners demand a win - unless we hear otherwise from Bud.

Yeah that sling back is out. If you register with the horse tracker on www.irish-racing.com it will fire through an email any time a horse you may be following or interested in is declared to run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 05, 2007, 04:21:21 PM
Does a declaration of 'scratching' mean that he won't be running after all?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 08, 2007, 09:18:13 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 05, 2007, 04:21:21 PM
Does a declaration of 'scratching' mean that he won't be running after all?

Not sure what it means AZ but its still in the race this morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 08, 2007, 09:26:50 AM
Scratch means it wont run.

MD, any odds forecast for it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 08, 2007, 10:01:38 AM
Anybody see Fallon's comeback ride last night. Typical powerful Fallon exhibition. The horse just got up at the post after trouble in running.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on June 08, 2007, 10:40:05 AM
Typical Fallon, knew he would get at least one winner last night, wish I was around a bookies or at leas had money in my Betfair account!!

His other mount came last!!

No rides tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 08, 2007, 10:46:50 AM
aye, I'm sure the bookies would have been quaking in their boots had you turned up to have a bet! you could'nt afford to have a decent bet, which would be required on a 4/7 shot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 08, 2007, 11:36:35 AM
hello lads thanks to slim and hardy i have made a few quid going on their tips ;D ;D, i have been given a tip for the royal ascot meeting on the 23/06/07 , i have put a bet on the horse and got him at 25's today , I wouldn't like  anyone to loose an arm and a leg but he might be worth a few quid e/w.Will i just tell you the name of the horse or will i leave it.  ??? ??? ??? 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 08, 2007, 11:50:17 AM
you may go ahead and let fly, if it loses we might as well lose on it too!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 08, 2007, 11:57:57 AM
all right slim the name of the horse is" out after dark" and he is running in the wokinham handicap,as i said i got him at 25's don't go mad on it but it should be worth a punt  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on June 08, 2007, 02:34:46 PM
Slim, don't be a ballbag son
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 08, 2007, 02:42:23 PM
reported!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on June 08, 2007, 02:45:39 PM
Dead on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on June 08, 2007, 04:09:31 PM
6.10 Goodwood, Gatecrasher

Work in bookies in Lurgan and there's been big money coming in for this in lurgan and our moira shops, only going sp on it now around 12s or 14/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 08, 2007, 06:21:23 PM
Four Corners - 8.00 in Wexford

Has already been backed in from 20/1 to as low as 13/2 - Currently  best priced 12/1 in Ladbrokes - small e/w bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 08, 2007, 09:08:20 PM
Both beat. Stick with Bud. He's the man.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 08, 2007, 10:48:47 PM
QuoteBud, any word on manilou for sunday in cork. Just out for a run?

He said he hates hard ground, news to date is he has as much chance as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition.

Liefly on Wednesday maybe but too soon to know
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 09, 2007, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: Stranworst on June 08, 2007, 04:09:31 PM
6.10 Goodwood, Gatecrasher

Work in bookies in Lurgan and there's been big money coming in for this in lurgan and our moira shops, only going sp on it now around 12s or 14/1

did he win stranworst
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 11, 2007, 10:02:03 AM
QuoteHe said he hates hard ground, news to date is he has as much chance as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition.

Griffin should not have even taken him to Cork.  Anyway, I said he had no chance and he will not walk on hard ground let alone run on it. Tawrific Laois was 5th!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 11, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
Can anyone work this one out

If you had an ew yankee with horses placed at 22/1 10/1 9/1 and 9/2 what would it pay for £1 unit stake. All races were handicaps so should be 1/4 odds.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 11, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
About £151 I reckon, although it is a Monday :-\

Oops, just added up £1 place acca ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 11, 2007, 12:06:42 PM
According to my home-made bet calculator spreadsheet, it returns £431.87.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 11, 2007, 12:07:41 PM
Classic Maureen, 2pm, won easy the other night and should go well again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 11, 2007, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 11, 2007, 12:06:42 PM
According to my home-made bet calculator spreadsheet, it returns £431.87.

Jaysus Hardy, home made bet calcuator spreadsheet, sounds like some job.
What different bets can you work out on it??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 11, 2007, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on June 11, 2007, 12:07:41 PM
Classic Maureen, 2pm, won easy the other night and should go well again.

very short price i just seen. not too much value but anyway, i'm on it at 11/8
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 11, 2007, 02:05:49 PM
nice one lads. Classi Maureen p*ssed it at evens SP. Keep 'em coming :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 11, 2007, 02:14:45 PM
Happy days, did it ever look in trouble AZ? never seen it. I assume it led the whole way as it likes to run from the front?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 11, 2007, 02:23:34 PM
Led all the way more or less. Bet 365 allows you watch the races. It's fecking dangerous in work, but great :)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 11, 2007, 02:24:41 PM
Should have said, it won pulling away. One lad came to challenge about 4 out, but he got burned off, and she won looking over here shoulder. I'd say 6 or 8 lengths maybe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 11, 2007, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2007, 02:24:41 PM
Should have said, it won pulling away. One lad came to challenge about 4 out, but he got burned off, and she won looking over here shoulder. I'd say 6 or 8 lengths maybe.

Had a score on it. My bookie runner did a pound ew on it. God help the lads wit. It should go in again if turning out soon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 11, 2007, 02:42:16 PM
i have you kids spoilt rotten, cant remember the last loser i gave you...apart from Antrim.

£1 EW on an Evs  :D bless him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 11, 2007, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on June 11, 2007, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 11, 2007, 12:06:42 PM
According to my home-made bet calculator spreadsheet, it returns £431.87.

Jaysus Hardy, home made bet calcuator spreadsheet, sounds like some job.
What different bets can you work out on it??

All the combinations for up to 5 horses - singles, doubles, trebles, trixies, 4-way accums, yankees,
lucky 15s, super yankees, 5-way accums and lucky 31s. Haven't got to Heinzs, etc.

You're welcome to a copy if you pm me your email address.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 11, 2007, 06:37:35 PM
Can't say I really understand Yankee bets too well but Paddy Power provides a calculator if its any addition.

http://betcalculator.paddypower.com/index.php?bet=Yankee&number=5 (http://betcalculator.paddypower.com/index.php?bet=Yankee&number=5)

the make a selection drop-down box also gives other bet types.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 11, 2007, 06:53:26 PM
Rob Wright in Times(UK) is the top tipster around, he won the Newspapers' tipster title again last year (doesn't include pricewise in the RP).  Normally his naps are decent prices, none of this Napping 6/4 shots shit (Neville Ring being N#1 culprit).

No doubt I've put the mother of all scuds on him, but his selection tonight is Faith & Reason in the 7.35@ Windsor
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ExiledGael on June 11, 2007, 08:31:33 PM
Unplaced Benny!
And he was a short priced favourite!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on June 12, 2007, 07:34:08 AM
WHATIZZIT?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 12, 2007, 04:46:31 PM
Rob obliged today with a 7/2 nap, Golden Hush 4.15@Sals
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 12, 2007, 10:14:34 PM
Liefly not running tomorrow. Hurt her leg (probably trying to sit down)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 13, 2007, 07:36:59 AM
Lady Gloria. She won't be sitting down.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 14, 2007, 10:13:10 AM
Rob Wright's Nap today, Zeefoha 3.15@Newb, 12/1 in the paper.  Anything he naps gets hit, if you're backing it get on early.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 14, 2007, 02:12:17 PM
I'd go for Ocean Gold in that race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 14, 2007, 02:14:53 PM
you pair are dynamite, 2 favs beat in 2 days  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 14, 2007, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on June 14, 2007, 02:14:53 PM
you pair are dynamite, 2 favs beat in 2 days  :D
If you could read you clown you would see that I was only pointing out Rob Wright's Naps. :D

No 2/1 "tips" from AP lately then  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 14, 2007, 03:21:59 PM
no, none recently though AP is a worse tipster than you and is renowned for being so!

I'm yet to post a 'tip' that has failed you shall find- be it 2/1 4/1 or Evens. which is more than I can say for yourself who manages to stop odds on shots!  :D

the difference between my 'tips' and your 'tips' is that mine actually have some credibility, whereas yours is more of an educated guess. Please, for the wealth of the posters on here that actually heed you-stop posting them! I'm sure if they wanted to some journo's tips they would!!

Edit: and yet another Favourite stopped today  :D

1 10 Altar 16/1 RLMoore R Hannon
2 3 Rule of Life 7/1 RHughes B W Hills
3 9 Oceana Gold 9/4f WilliamBuick A Balding
4 2 Shake On It 14/1 S Carson Eve Johnson Houghton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 14, 2007, 04:05:54 PM
That horse Altar just got up on the rails  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2007, 07:53:10 PM
Verchoyles Lad was out for a trot around Leopardstown today, came nowhere like in his last four races.  How and ever, he will be winning his very next race despite all the zeros in front of his name so don't let the form prevent you from putting a punt on him. More news when the time comes but just in case I miss the opportunity to tell ye at the time keep an eye out. He will almost definitely be getting a Graham Gerathy  :-* when he comes home next day out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 18, 2007, 09:17:46 AM
Bud,

Does the owner of that horse have a big interest in tarring roads, and other construction?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2007, 10:23:37 AM
Aye, he owns Stutter and Avon Ri   ; www.avonri.com (http://www.avonri.com)

Bit of a charachter, says the yoke was not going anywhere on Sunday but will next time out. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 18, 2007, 10:25:25 AM
Ah. I was wondering when I saw the name. I sorted out a laptop for him once. The brother in law is his accountant, or at least the accountant in the company.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: goldenyears on June 18, 2007, 02:00:56 PM
aggravation, first race tonight

also told to do lydon house 7.55 ballinrobe tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 18, 2007, 02:03:50 PM
Whereabouts goldenyears?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 18, 2007, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2007, 02:03:50 PM
Whereabouts goldenyears?

6.35 Windsor, runs under a penalty
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 18, 2007, 02:14:08 PM
why, what did he do?





;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2007, 05:16:20 PM
What did he do? Pulled the chair from under Liefly when she went to sit down in Leopardstown, got one race suspension and a kick in the nuts.

Liefly is running on Saturday 23rd in Down Royal
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 18, 2007, 06:04:53 PM
Local is running a trip to Down that day I think.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 19, 2007, 07:48:21 AM
Any fancies for Ascott lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 19, 2007, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 18, 2007, 02:00:56 PM
aggravation, first race tonight

also told to do lydon house 7.55 ballinrobe tonight

Another 'tipster' for the black list. Aggravation hammered, Lydon House beaten Fav.

My personal picks for Ascot are Dylan Thomas and Cockney Rebel.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: john mcgill on June 19, 2007, 10:51:08 AM
Ascot for the Coronation, Indian Ink.  came from the owner who was trying on his tops and tails the same time as a friend of mine.  Big odds so each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 19, 2007, 03:01:46 PM
Second Result in


2.30 - 6f Sprint

1st - #12 Henrythenavigator 11/4 Favourite
2nd - #19 Swiss Franc 25/1
3rd - #14 Luck Money 13/2

Distance 3/4 length - Short Head - 3/4 length


3.05 - 5f Sprint

1st - #16 Miss Andretti 3/1 Favourite
2nd - #3 Dandy Man 15/2
3rd - #7 Magnus 14/1

Distance 1+3/4 length - Neck - ?


3rd Race - no luck for Cockney Rebel

3.45 1 mile

1st - #6 Excellent Art 8/1
2nd - #4 Duke of Marmalade 11/1
3rd - #1 Astronomer Royal 14/1

Distance Neck, 1+1/4 length -  ?

Cockney Rebel finished 5th and was sent off the even money favourite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 19, 2007, 04:06:18 PM
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on June 19, 2007, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 18, 2007, 02:00:56 PM
aggravation, first race tonight

also told to do lydon house 7.55 ballinrobe tonight

Another 'tipster' for the black list. Aggravation hammered, Lydon House beaten Fav.

My personal picks for Ascot are Dylan Thomas and Cockney Rebel.
Sticking your neck out a bit there slim, an Odds on shot and an even money shot (beaten),why dont you stick in 'the sun to rise in the morning' for the treble.  Top tipster indeed. ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 19, 2007, 04:11:40 PM
those were horse i fancied benji, nothing more! apparently i wasn't the only one who fancied Cockney Rebel either!!!! they weren't 'tips' unlike the donkeys you gave out  :D

i don't get many tips but those i do get usually win, hence the term 'tip' benji, you are a clown with a paper picking hosses, don't tip them if they arent tips and just say you fancy this or that.

to cut a long story short, stop being a ****.

Thats my Ascot punting over for today, had a tonne on Cockney & Dylan Thomas double. Shall try and recoup the mora.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 19, 2007, 04:18:17 PM
NOT A TIP, but I'm taking a bit of a plunge on George Washington, with Ballydole seemingly very much on song.  Off in about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 19, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
if i wasnt chasing i'd do exactly the same but i'll stay put. Cant see past it though something tells me Cesare might make him work very hard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 19, 2007, 04:29:55 PM
Bit of a disaster - Kinane couldn't get a run out of him until it was too late - another 50 yds he was the winner.

If there was a sexy little colt in front of him he'd run!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 19, 2007, 04:39:35 PM
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on June 19, 2007, 04:11:40 PM
those were horse i fancied benji, nothing more! apparently i wasn't the only one who fancied Cockney Rebel either!!!! they weren't 'tips' unlike the donkeys you gave out  :D

i don't get many tips but those i do get usually win, hence the term 'tip' benji, you are a clown with a paper picking hosses, don't tip them if they arent tips and just say you fancy this or that.

to cut a long story short, stop being a ****.

As I've already pointed out, I've yet to 'tip' anything on this site :o merely relaying the fact that Rob Wright is a dam fine tipster, and he's obliged with Excellent Art today ;D.  I wouldn't inflict some of the 'tips' I get on this board. Classy last line from a 'creditable' poster such as yourself why don't you take you own advice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 19, 2007, 04:42:45 PM
that crooked wee bastid Dettori cant be watched. sneaky hoor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 19, 2007, 07:15:42 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2007, 05:16:20 PM
What did he do? Pulled the chair from under Liefly when she went to sit down in Leopardstown, got one race suspension and a kick in the nuts.

Liefly is running on Saturday 23rd in Down Royal

Bud

how do you rate its chances?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 19, 2007, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 19, 2007, 04:29:55 PM
Bit of a disaster - Kinane couldn't get a run out of him until it was too late - another 50 yds he was the winner.

If there was a sexy little colt in front of him he'd run!

Ah yeah, but would he get it up  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 20, 2007, 11:28:55 AM
Anything for today lads? Took a bit of a scutching yesterday at Ascot. Only for a few blind bets watching the betting at Thirsk I'd have been sunk altogether. My Bet365 account would be looking for a deposit.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 20, 2007, 12:14:16 PM
Not tips really just picks, but going with

2.30  US Ranger - 6/4
3.05  Wasseema - 12/1
3.45  Dylan Thomas - 11/4  (rain won't help)
4.20  Eden Rock - 14/1
4.55  Sweepstake - 7/2
5.30  Italian Girl - 8/1

heres hoping
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on June 20, 2007, 12:48:59 PM
Got these of a tip site which has a 32% Strike rate.  It has 1 out of 4 yesterday.
Some days it can have 3 winners and then none for 2 days i have lost more than i have won on it though

Horse Name: Major Cadeaux
Racecourse: Ascot
Time: 2.30 Jersey Stakes (Group 3) (Class 1) (3YO only)

Beat Dutch Art over 7f's at Newbury on his seasonal debut and only 3l's behind Cockney Rebel when attempting a mile LTO.
That was a good effort considering it was carrying a small knock on his foot so with a drop in trip and ground to suit he should land this.

Early price: 3/1

Horse Name: Echelon
Racecourse: Ascot
Time: 3.05 Windsor Forest Stakes (Fillies' Group 2) (Str) (Class 1) (4YO plus)

Has looked awesome the last 2 races and can complete a hat-trick today, he beat Topatoo at Newmarket over 1m1f and the form has been franked by Topatoo winning since. 2nd in this last year when 2l's behind Soviet Song and
Kerrin McEvoy is quoted as saying this is his best chance of a winner this week.

Early price: 3/1

Horse Name: Red Rocks
Racecourse: Ascot
Time: 3.45 Prince Of Wales's Stakes (Group 1) (Class 1) (4YO plus)

Won LTO at Sandown beating Notnowcato into 4th and was 2l's clear of 2nd Mashaahed over this trip.
Man of the moment Frankie Dettori is riding full of confidence and will be hard to beat given the fact that his form on this horse reads 122211.

Early price: 3/1

Horse Name: In Safe Hands

Racecourse: Ascot
Time: 5.30 Sandringham Handicap (Fillies' Listed) (Class 1) (3YO only)

Chased home the very impressive Measured Tempo from the Godolphin camp LTO at Newbury and should go close with top jock Mick Kinane in the saddle. Had Truly Enchanting back in 3rd that time and the later horse has won twice since so with that form and Kinane we should see a good show.

Early price: 14/1

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 20, 2007, 02:02:42 PM
Major Cadeaux is a  non-runner in the first...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 20, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Got a genuine tip for a nag this evening.  Dixey in the 7.40@Kempton, never run before and I was told that they expect a 'place at worst'.  Got a guaranteed 10/1 earlier - EW.

If it's beat outa site dont blame me, just passing on the info ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 20, 2007, 09:17:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 20, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Got a genuine tip for a nag this evening.  Dixey in the 7.40@Kempton, never run before and I was told that they expect a 'place at worst'.  Got a guaranteed 10/1 earlier - EW.

If it's beat outa site dont blame me, just passing on the info ;)


Won at 20/1 Benny. Opened around 14's and drifted to 20's then went into 16/1 so I put a tenner EW on it and what happens it drifts to 20/1 again. Scooted home  :D :D Thank you!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 20, 2007, 09:17:24 PM
Legend Benny :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 20, 2007, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 20, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Got a genuine tip for a nag this evening.  Dixey in the 7.40@Kempton, never run before and I was told that they expect a 'place at worst'.  Got a guaranteed 10/1 earlier - EW.

If it's beat outa site dont blame me, just passing on the info ;)

Well done Benny, good thing your bet was guaranteed given that it won at 20's

Did you back it Slim  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 20, 2007, 09:19:51 PM
why did i not read this earlier on, why did i read it at all!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 20, 2007, 09:25:24 PM
Several attractive fillies lined up, and something of a surprise that outsider DIXEY, from a family that tend to win at 3yo or older, proved good enough to win on her debut.
Green at the start, she assumed a handy position and was travelling with conspicuous ease when leading early in the straight. Although she edged left in the closing stages, she was well on top by then and should stay at least another furlong.


Dixey
went left start, took keen hold, chased leaders, headway over 3f out, ridden to lead over 1f out, edged left but ran on well final furlong
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 20, 2007, 09:32:43 PM
f**k me that's what you call a tip! ;D ;D ;D Half 'uns all round.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 20, 2007, 09:52:17 PM
Benny just got home, logged on to PP, account balance looked wrong, f**k me but thats a great little win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 20, 2007, 10:03:31 PM
The Galway (if not an All-Ireland in year one, definitely in year two) Races has some set up for this year.

See http://www.galwayraces.com/Developments_to_Date.shtml (http://www.galwayraces.com/Developments_to_Date.shtml)  and An Fear Rua stuck in the front row.

Anyway, a bit of help, anyone hear of a nag called ' The Bet' (my sounds like) but pronounced in a Cork accent like Dabet, jabet, yabet etc. I am searching through horsetracker but nada.  Anyone with info??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 21, 2007, 05:14:51 AM
Good man Benny! Backed her at 16s.
I fancy Sergeant Cecil in the 3.45 this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 21, 2007, 08:19:45 AM
Benny, never checked in in time to see the tip. When I saw it last night after I made the post above I nearly fcuked the laptop at the wall.  Well done  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 08:27:21 AM
Was checking through the results last night & when saw result of that particular race I couldnt for the life of me remember where i had read about the tip yesterday! obviously didnt back it but good shout ye boy ye.




Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 21, 2007, 08:37:58 AM
Go to the top of the class Benny!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 08:46:59 AM
Someone take Benny off the blacklist!!!

i had a couple of quid on it EW at 20's, which is the only reason i backed it as Benny said it was 8s earlier.

well, not the only reason- it was an open race, only 3 or 4 horses had runs to their name so i thought what the hell. also, my mate said the favourite was a banker and that ruled him out as he's the biggest scud on earth! won easy anyway- good man benny.

bud, thats a tough act to follow- must be the biggest odds tip on here!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 21, 2007, 10:00:16 AM
Rob Wright's nap today Kilburn in the 4.20 @Ascot, 50/1 this morning!!!  Any horse he naps gets hit very quickly so it'll be gone sharpish, has to be worth an EW.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 10:26:21 AM
unless it was rob wright who gave u Dixey then i'll b avoiding it. that tip last night showed therz serious crookery in racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 21, 2007, 10:33:28 AM
Great tip bennydorano, glad a few of the lads got on anyway. I took the 10/1 early price with Fred Dones, but not to worry, a winner is a winner. Will be having a fiver ew on Kilburn for the craic. Keep em coming.
Btw - was that text the biggest roar you let out in Abbey Park last night? ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 10:53:39 AM
So anyone any fancies today?

I shall be having a good wee wad on All My Loving ( 3.05 Ascot).  Currently only 13/8 and can see it gettin shorter but find it hard to oppose.   solid form, ran well in the Oaks & dropping into Group 2 company so it shall be my personal NAP of the day. 

Not really looked at any further races in detail as yet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 10:58:15 AM
the Antrim hurlers money will surely be on Winker Watson in the first  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 11:15:07 AM
i backed him last time out.  am sure he will have his followers but not for me today, big step up & certainly not at that price, although them non-runners have maybe helped make it so short
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 21, 2007, 12:18:58 PM
The man who gave me Dixey :o is just of the phone and says he's had word from England for Desert Dew in the 4.55 @Ascot 7/1

I wouldn't being going mad in a top class race like that, but there ye go, passing on the info.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 21, 2007, 12:56:46 PM
Good man Benny, took it at first show, got 16's - a winner is a winner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 21, 2007, 01:01:42 PM
Quotebud, thats a tough act to follow- must be the biggest odds tip on here!

Anyway Verchoyles Lad at Down Royal and Liefly are out at the weekend and despite all the leading zero's I will be backing the lad e/w early. Owner of liefly is in Italy but was told not to back the lad at Leopardstown and wait 'till next race.  The height of hookery, thats what I call it. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 21, 2007, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 21, 2007, 01:01:42 PM
Quotebud, thats a tough act to follow- must be the biggest odds tip on here!

Anyway Verchoyles Lad at Down Royal and Liefly are out at the weekend and despite all the leading zero's I will be backing the lad e/w early. Owner of liefly is in Italy but was told not to back the lad at Leopardstown and wait 'till next race.  The height of hookery, thats what I call it. 

Is vercholyles not at Kilbeggan on 25th?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 02:15:32 PM
8.30 Kilbeggan on Monday evening is only place i see it entered.  No mention of it  @ Down Royal
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 02:35:06 PM
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 10:58:15 AM
the Antrim hurlers money will surely be on Winker Watson in the first  ;)

looks like it, in loughgiel at least!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 02:36:45 PM
and in Cargin  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 02:44:31 PM
Jockey may possibly get a little ban as a result, u will hardly be in a worry!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 02:48:46 PM
wont matter a fook til me!!

and Jimmy Fortune is having some meetin!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 02:54:32 PM
here's hoping I shall be joining you in the + £££ in next race with 'my NAP'
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 03:11:30 PM
nope you are on your own!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 03:16:55 PM
the winner looked the winner after 4 furlongs!!

yours did well to get the place after being under pressure from way out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 21, 2007, 03:27:17 PM
Can you post the results lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 03:34:17 PM
Winker Watson at 2/1f

Silkwood at 4/1

This next race is dodgy, wouldnt touch Yeats at that price. I had a very small bet on Tungsten Strike EW at 66's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
ASCOT 2.30

1. WINKER WATSON 2-1 FAV
2. ART ADVISOR - 14/1
3. SPIRIT OF SHARJAH - 9/2


ASCOT 3.05

1. SILKWOOD
2. ALL MY LOVING 15/8 FAV
3. DALVINA 8/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: laughinpaddy on June 21, 2007, 03:57:39 PM
anyone know why Tipp is posponed tonight ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: High Catch on June 21, 2007, 04:05:02 PM
Pretty obvious....torrential rain this last week or so.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on June 21, 2007, 04:31:45 PM
1st  1 Eddie Jock (IRE)  33-1 
2nd  19 Ea (USA)  16-1 
3rd  6 St Philip (USA)  33-1 
4th  16 Artimino  4-1 F


:o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 21, 2007, 04:33:02 PM
ye picked the wrong 33/1 shot Benny  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 21, 2007, 05:10:51 PM
Desert dew came 3rd
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 21, 2007, 06:28:50 PM
Desert Dew couldn't have done much more, ran it's race, just beat a head.  Backed it ew so I still won money on it :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 22, 2007, 10:56:51 AM
Ring it and post the name of the horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rois on June 22, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
Going to Down Royal this evening - any tips?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 22, 2007, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Rois on June 22, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
Going to Down Royal this evening - any tips?

Running Late?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2007, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Rois on June 22, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
Going to Down Royal this evening - any tips?

avoid Lecale2!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rois on June 22, 2007, 11:59:35 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 22, 2007, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Rois on June 22, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
Going to Down Royal this evening - any tips?

avoid Lecale2!!!

Well it depends on the table, I'll be part of the Bredagh gathering  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 22, 2007, 12:06:46 PM
Lads, any word on the Official going from Ascot today? Can't find it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 22, 2007, 12:10:33 PM
Barney Curley has Jamie Spencer booked for Le Soleil at newmarket tonight. If the market speaks the right way could be worth a look.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 22, 2007, 12:21:10 PM
Cheers drici
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 22, 2007, 12:45:32 PM
Got a call for Lough Tae Newmarket.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 22, 2007, 12:48:18 PM
Spencer rode this 3 times before winning twice, Tom Queally rode him the last time he won.  Each time it was punted on
14 Apr '07 Op 13/2 Won @ 11/4
11 Apr '06 Op 3/1 Won @ 9/4
26 Sep '06 Op 7/2 Won @ 6/4

Last time out was backed from 7/1 to 3/1 but was beaten by 3l

Definetly worth a look
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 22, 2007, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: jaykay on June 22, 2007, 12:48:18 PM
Spencer rode this 3 times before winning twice, Tom Queally rode him the last time he won.  Each time it was punted on
14 Apr '07 Op 13/2 Won @ 11/4
11 Apr '06 Op 3/1 Won @ 9/4
26 Sep '06 Op 7/2 Won @ 6/4

Last time out was backed from 7/1 to 3/1 but was beaten by 3l

Definetly worth a look

What's worth a look?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2007, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 22, 2007, 11:59:35 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 22, 2007, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Rois on June 22, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
Going to Down Royal this evening - any tips?

avoid Lecale2!!!

Well it depends on the table, I'll be part of the Bredagh gathering  ;)

Its gonna be a big big gathering for the Bredagh brigade.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 22, 2007, 01:26:07 PM
http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card079200706252030.htm (http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card079200706252030.htm)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 22, 2007, 01:37:43 PM

[/quote]

What's worth a look?
[/quote]

Le Soliel, this evening at Newmarket.
Been a steamer on previous 2 outings, would expect the same tonight so get on at the earlies chance for biggest price!

Not really fussed on Ascot today cant really be arsed, but might have an e/w dabble on Indinan Trail later on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on June 22, 2007, 02:02:26 PM
Mi Emma in the Coronation Stakes today, have fifty brick straight on her myself, thinking about putting on more

Finsceal is done by now, race in france was one too far and darjina won't do as well as it did in the french

Check out the german guineas here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3yo_NLUm3I

Mi Emma absolutely annihalated the field
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 22, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
was thinking of MI EMMA myself earlier on, flying machine by all accounts.and the bird is called emma too....

agree with the comments about the favourite, think its been in a battle too many past wee while
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stranworst on June 22, 2007, 02:20:47 PM
Thought it was greed making it run seven days after the irish guineas for the french and its gonna have took it out of her big time

Girt if you don't back mi emma now the woman will kill you
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on June 22, 2007, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 22, 2007, 12:45:32 PM
Got a call for Lough Tae Newmarket.

Loch Tay in from 20/1 to 12/1 on Paddy P. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: High Catch on June 22, 2007, 02:25:38 PM
Alot of money for a horse by the name of CUTE in the first race at Ascot today - 33/1 into 16/1 and still going down. Quite a big move.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 22, 2007, 02:44:50 PM
Quote from: Stranworst on June 22, 2007, 02:20:47 PM
Thought it was greed making it run seven days after the irish guineas for the french and its gonna have took it out of her big time

Girt if you don't back mi emma now the woman will kill you

Had to back it, so 40 big ones on it she goes.  of course if it wins she will be happy I was thinking of her by backing it.....   I had a tenner on it love *cough*!   ;)  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on June 22, 2007, 02:58:55 PM
50/1 winner in the first at Ascott!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 22, 2007, 04:20:47 PM
john mcgill
Jr. Member

Posts: 99


    Re: The Horse racing thread
« Reply #215 on: June 19, 2007, 10:51:08 AM »   

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Ascot for the Coronation, Indian Ink.  came from the owner who was trying on his tops and tails the same time as a friend of mine.  Big odds so each way.

Well done son backed him at 20's Between you and Benny its been a great week!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 22, 2007, 04:27:49 PM
Holy Jaysus. Another big winner from Benny, although in fairness I had him from Newstalk's Don whatyacallim as well.

Nice one though Benny, a successful week after a bad start :D


Edit : Sorry john, I thought that came from benny. Either way, a lovely touch. Thanks again!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: john mcgill on June 22, 2007, 06:43:21 PM
Well done. Actually forgot to back him myself, even after checking the form this morning.  The brother and my wife had the horse so I'm hoping to live off them this weekend!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 22, 2007, 06:53:57 PM
Quote from: john mcgill on June 19, 2007, 10:51:08 AM
Ascot for the Coronation, Indian Ink.  came from the owner who was trying on his tops and tails the same time as a friend of mine.  Big odds so each way.
Had to call into Boyles today to get gift vouchers and just happened to be five minutes before the race. Haven't backed a thing all week at ascot, saw Indian Ink on the board and had an each way punt. Cheers John, covered the cost of the gift vouchers and then some :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 23, 2007, 10:37:57 AM
Good man John. I got her @ 20/1 on Betfair!! Le Soleil obliged as well. This has been a very good week for the tipsters on the board.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 23, 2007, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 08, 2007, 11:57:57 AM
all right slim the name of the horse is" out after dark" and he is running in the wokinham handicap,as i said i got him at 25's don't go mad on it but it should be worth a punt  ;)

Still 20/1 today and looking back in the form doesnt mind a bit of cut in the ground. I'll be having an ew dig.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 23, 2007, 11:38:46 AM
hello maddog i was talking to the owner today and they are happy with the ground, he is worth the e/w bet but don't go mad and keep the fingers crossed ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 23, 2007, 12:54:52 PM
Good man Maddog. Backed EW @ 20s.

Is anybody having a go at Leifly? 20/1 this morning with Eastwood. Another EW prospect?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 23, 2007, 02:29:06 PM
Good man Bud, good advice about Liefly again. Jaysus she looks like one lazy cow. The 'don't bet' tips are as good as the 'fill your boots' tips some times :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 23, 2007, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 23, 2007, 12:54:52 PM
Good man Maddog. Backed EW @ 20s.

Is anybody having a go at Leifly? 20/1 this morning with Eastwood. Another EW prospect?

Yip  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 23, 2007, 04:33:49 PM
sorry lads  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 23, 2007, 06:53:33 PM
Sick as a pig today, rob Wright's nap Pevensey wins at 8/1 the last winner, enjoy the moment, was his nap during the week, the only horse I backed today was Liefly :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 24, 2007, 05:58:49 PM
Meself an half the pub get Manilou at 12/1....Verchoyles Lad tomorrow and then a little break for a while
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 25, 2007, 10:12:59 AM
Friend of mine is part of the Syndicate that owns Rowan Rover, goes in the 6.40@windsor, it's been knocking on the door the past couple of races and they expect it to go very close.  I was told not ot take an early price (unless you can get guaranteed odds). 

I notice it's up against Rob Wright's nap as as well- Doubly Guest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 25, 2007, 12:19:56 PM
Hold fire on Rowan River, big concerns over the going and he wont be going if it's too soft, I should know more later.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 25, 2007, 12:45:02 PM
Vercholyes Lad is a No No today, may not even run I am told this morning so keep yer money in yer pockets.

Sorry about that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 25, 2007, 12:53:56 PM
cheers bud, was heading for the bookies at lunchtime. Just in time....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 25, 2007, 01:01:20 PM
D'Oh :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 25, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
"tip" received for Trevi fountain 7.00 Kilbeggan, tis the fav i believe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 25, 2007, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 04, 2007, 10:59:52 AM
Sling Back, Slim, Sling Back, Sling Back.

http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card098200706041440.htm

Entered 3.10 at the Curragh on Saturday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 25, 2007, 02:50:40 PM
Rowan River has put the wellies back in the shed. NR
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 27, 2007, 03:33:25 PM
I got a tip some time back for a horse called Invasian and was remined about it again at the weekend.  Its running today at 4.40 in Salisbury.  The guy it came from is very hot and cold so I wont be going too mad on it however I will be having an e/w punt.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 27, 2007, 03:55:58 PM
currently 16/1 rank outside of 8 horse field!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 27, 2007, 04:05:59 PM
He's drifted out to 20s!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 27, 2007, 04:10:14 PM
I was told at the time that it would be a big price.  I'm not advising anyone to back it only shareing the info I was told.  This guy has given me big price winners before but also quite a few donkeys.  I've just put a little e/w bet on myself @ 20/1 with PP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 27, 2007, 04:47:54 PM
Salisbury 4.40   

1st  6 Celtic Spirit (IRE)  11-4 JF 
2nd  2 Oh Glory Be (USA)  9-2 
3rd  5 Ingratitude (IRE)  11-2 

No good,came in for a bit of support in the market.  Not much good to me though.  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 27, 2007, 04:53:35 PM
I watched it on Bet365. Featured early, but when the pace quickened he went back at a rate of knots. They are out with candles looking for him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 27, 2007, 10:28:46 PM
I used to have rules about types of races not to back in (bumpers, maiden hurdles, maiden's in general)

After tonight at Naas I need to remind myself, never back in Maidens.... Got done in the 6.30 and destroyed in the 7.00 where a 25/1 shot beat the well backed fav  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 28, 2007, 07:26:54 AM
Quote from: Rois on June 22, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
Going to Down Royal this evening - any tips?
How did the Bredagh race day go? I saw a photo in the paper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 29, 2007, 12:51:28 PM
Green Park
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 29, 2007, 01:12:25 PM
Green Park?

Edit * Never Mind. I see it now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 29, 2007, 02:47:30 PM
There's money for it. It's been backed in from 12/1 to 7/1 in the last couple of hours. I think I'll invest a couple of shillings.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 29, 2007, 02:52:58 PM
What time is Grenn Park running at?
Whats the story with it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on June 29, 2007, 02:59:11 PM
There's money for it alright! Did you get a whisper Lecale2?

(http://www.turftrax.com/ladbrokes/images/header.jpg)
(http://www.turftrax.com/ladbrokes/form.asp?afftag=ladb&eventid=211461110&outcomename=Green+Park&w_id=20070629145728)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 29, 2007, 07:53:39 PM
Lecale

Top man  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 29, 2007, 08:27:37 PM
Some money must have been slapped on him as his early price was 12/1. I got him at 9s but I see he started at 11/2.

Great stuff again Lecale.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 29, 2007, 09:20:02 PM
Good stuff Lecale. The Board has been in fine form recently :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SouthArmaghBandit on June 30, 2007, 08:07:44 AM
Well done Lecale. Got him @ 8/1. There's been some handy winners tipped on here recently.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on June 30, 2007, 08:49:20 AM
 ;) Good man Lecale!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 30, 2007, 10:42:33 AM
QuoteThere's been some handy winners tipped on here recently.

Well I won't be tipping anymore considering I went into the office of one of the owners on Wednesday and an accountant employed by the owner who is/was my friend wanted to know what was this about "Shane" and telling him and everyone on the board about his nag going to win.  I was pretty pissed off anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 30, 2007, 12:45:27 PM
Ah Bud don't be doing that! It's your tips that are keeping body & soul together.

Thanks lecale. That was a good one yesterday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 30, 2007, 12:59:28 PM
Al Eile then!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 30, 2007, 01:10:06 PM
Arc Bleu in the 4.35 at the Curragh on Sunday.  Told it wont be beaten, gound not a concern.  Only concern is it's trainer, the biggest crook in da world- AJ.  Looks to be paper fav at 7/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 30, 2007, 01:12:20 PM
Good man Bud. I stuck all my winnings from Lecale's tip yesterday on her.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 30, 2007, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 30, 2007, 12:59:28 PM
Al Eile then!
I was looking at Greenwich Meantime in that race as an EW bet. It's 33/1 on Betfair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on July 01, 2007, 07:19:36 PM
Won as he liked, nice ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 02, 2007, 08:30:46 AM
Good man Benny!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 02, 2007, 09:43:18 AM
Green Park  ;D
Al Eile        >:(
Arc Bleu      ;D

2 out of 3 aint bad!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on July 02, 2007, 02:07:38 PM
50p e/w Lucky 15 for fun

History Boy 3.300 Wolv
Blyth Spirit 4.30 Wolv
Nacho Libre 3.15 Ponte
Hazaranyna 4.45 Ponte

N.B THESE ARE NOT TIPS!!!

Just a bit of craic
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denver Mayobridge on July 02, 2007, 03:48:01 PM
You've your money back already anyway even if the other two lose you have 18.41 off the first two.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on July 02, 2007, 03:52:24 PM
Seen History Boy, Spencer never lifted a hand, he was cruisin that much he was pulling him the whole race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 02, 2007, 04:09:39 PM
I am in on this Lucky 15. Haven't a baldy how it's calculated but I hope to retire on the winnings  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 02, 2007, 04:52:02 PM
I won €2  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on July 02, 2007, 05:19:44 PM
Ah well at least we got a wee sweat.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on July 03, 2007, 11:37:43 AM
Going to the bookies at lunch to collect. If anyone bored they can pick a bet out for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 03, 2007, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on July 03, 2007, 11:37:43 AM
Going to the bookies at lunch to collect. If anyone bored they can pick a bet out for me.

Lots of money for Lytham at Lingfield 6.30, gone in from 9/1 to 4 today if you fancy a nibble spirit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on July 03, 2007, 01:11:18 PM
Kept an interest yesterday so todays 4 for fun:

Spiritual Peace 2.15 Hamilton
Franky'n'Jonny 3.00 Brighton
Jordans Elect 3.15 Hamilton
Tibouchina 4.00 Brighton

Bookie payed Hazaranya 2nd yesterday, result.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on July 03, 2007, 01:36:52 PM
i quite fancy Katie Boo today.

tho Brut may be more suitable to some of the posters here!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 03, 2007, 02:04:31 PM
i won with Brut couple of weeks ago, was between Ascot races. may have a look out for her today, didnt realise she was running when was looking in bookies earlier.

done £1 lucky 15 today

4.00 Brighton - Tibouchina
5.00 Brighton - Canadian Danehill
7.30 Lingfield - High Ridge
8.45 Thirsk - How's she cuttin'
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on July 03, 2007, 02:10:48 PM
i was also on it that day but saying that, Katie Boo the one i went down to back that morning and only punted on Brut after i noticed she wasnt running. I fancy Katie to do the biz today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 03, 2007, 04:18:54 PM
Real Slim Shady and Girt Giggler ;D

Had e/w on both yer nags
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on July 03, 2007, 04:26:03 PM
Cheers Slim.  Took 10/3 over the phone, probably stuck with that but still a nice price  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenmachine on July 03, 2007, 04:26:44 PM
gud man slim
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 03, 2007, 04:28:11 PM
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on July 03, 2007, 02:10:48 PM
i was also on it that day but saying that, Katie Boo the one i went down to back that morning and only punted on Brut after i noticed she wasnt running. I fancy Katie to do the biz today.

As did I!  didnt touch it or katie boo today, but well done  ;D

one down in lucky 15 so far  ::) not so well done
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on July 03, 2007, 04:30:08 PM
jeez lads what are ye at? it wasnt a tip- just one i fancied!!

not to worry though, nice lil earner  ;D

Slim 1
Girt 0

:P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 03, 2007, 04:44:10 PM
home time now - but i'll get even those scores tomorrow slim jim
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 04, 2007, 10:29:50 AM
Quote from: Homer on July 03, 2007, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on July 03, 2007, 11:37:43 AM
Going to the bookies at lunch to collect. If anyone bored they can pick a bet out for me.

Lots of money for Lytham at Lingfield 6.30, gone in from 9/1 to 4 today if you fancy a nibble spirit.

1 - Lytham (IRE) 7/2 - -
2 - Slavonic Lake 14/1 - -
3 - Royal Axminster 33/1 - -

;D
Spirit or anyone else do him?

I see Sling Back is running again on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 04, 2007, 02:59:40 PM
Serious question for the horsey heads - who won the 9.20 at Newcastle last friday????
Need to know within the next hour!  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on July 04, 2007, 03:02:56 PM
Newcastle 9.20 last Friday

9.20: 8 Morristown Music T Hamilton 14-1, 2 Darcy's Pride A Mullen 13-2, 9 La Vecchia Scuola D Fentiman 25-1, 10 ran.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 04, 2007, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: shotstopper1 on July 04, 2007, 03:02:56 PM
Newcastle 9.20 last Friday

9.20: 8 Morristown Music T Hamilton 14-1, 2 Darcy's Pride A Mullen 13-2, 9 La Vecchia Scuola D Fentiman 25-1, 10 ran.


Thanks for that Shotstopper1, had Darcy's Pride on the nose, ah well back to work tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 04, 2007, 04:31:36 PM
There are a couple of  big movers at Kempton tonight – Spanish Diva in the 19:20 backed in to 8/1 from 33/1 and Rosy Alexander in the 18:50, from 33/1 to 11/1

In fact there seems to be a significant mover in nearly every race at Kempton:

18:20 Drumming Party in from 7/1 to 9/2
20:20 Junior 5/1 to 7/2
21:20 Wrighty Almighty 15/2 to 9/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on July 04, 2007, 04:43:05 PM
a trick of the bookies perhaps!

and they'll file in like lemmings.

Who was the horse the huge gamble went on at Aintree on the National? backed it into 8s if i recall, stuffed!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 04, 2007, 05:21:11 PM
Perhaps, and it does seem odd to have a steamer in nearly every race. But it would seem to be very co-ordinated if it's a scam. Though I suppose it only takes one to start dropping a price to cause a move. This lemming has had a little multiple anyway - won't be too high a cliff to fall off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on July 04, 2007, 06:56:04 PM
Drumming Party 3rd @ 6/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on July 05, 2007, 08:51:20 AM
Junior won as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 05, 2007, 10:37:25 AM
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on July 04, 2007, 04:43:05 PM
a trick of the bookies perhaps!

and they'll file in like lemmings.

Who was the horse the huge gamble went on at Aintree on the National? backed it into 8s if i recall, stuffed!

monkerhostin if memory serves me right!  think it fell early on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 05, 2007, 10:39:21 AM
Joes Edge was backed in from 50s to favourite for the national
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on July 05, 2007, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: girt_giggler on July 05, 2007, 10:37:25 AM
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on July 04, 2007, 04:43:05 PM
a trick of the bookies perhaps!

and they'll file in like lemmings.

Who was the horse the huge gamble went on at Aintree on the National? backed it into 8s if i recall, stuffed!

thats the one. and the trainer even said ther was no reason for the gamble! just fool punters following other fools.
monkerhostin if memory serves me right!  think it fell early on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on July 05, 2007, 10:50:21 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 04, 2007, 04:31:36 PM
There are a couple of  big movers at Kempton tonight – Spanish Diva in the 19:20 backed in to 8/1 from 33/1 and Rosy Alexander in the 18:50, from 33/1 to 11/1

In fact there seems to be a significant mover in nearly every race at Kempton:

18:20 Drumming Party in from 7/1 to 9/2
20:20 Junior 5/1 to 7/2
21:20 Wrighty Almighty 15/2 to 9/2

What is it with steamers at AW tracks?  Every time W'hampton or Lingfield are on there seems to be at least 1 big market mover, is it a case of dodgy bookies or idiot punters?  Granted some win but I tend to stay well clear of them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 05, 2007, 01:32:16 PM
Just stay well clear of Wolverhampton and Lingfield!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on July 05, 2007, 01:45:56 PM
Dont fear, I never back on the AW.  You can add Kemptons dirt track to that too and I'm dreading to think what Dundalk will be like.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on July 05, 2007, 02:49:32 PM
baron de feypo in bellewstown has gone from 33/1 to 12/1 today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 05, 2007, 03:23:27 PM
Lads there's a substantial track bias at Bellewstown (I was practically reared on the course). Low numbers in the draw have a distinct advantage in mile races. (The 5f is straight and the draw doesn't really affect longer races). It's hard to win a mile race drawn outside 4 at The Hill (you'd rarely hear a local refer to it as Bellewstown).

There's only one mile race this evening and the odds-on favourite (Hum The Tune, 10/11) is drawn 3. It might be worth looking at Ardglen Flyer, drawn 1, 12/1. A forecast might be a good option here.

Trap 2 is Run Beauty, 40/1 and 4 is Seen and Heard, 25/1. Each way punts (or place on Betfair) can always be considered on any of the inside 4 over a mile at The Hill. But don't come crying to me if the second favourite wins it from the outside stall. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Bottom Brick on July 05, 2007, 04:05:40 PM
just got iceman george, stuck 2 e/w at 66s when  i was lookin up the bellewstown race!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 05, 2007, 04:09:08 PM
What tennis players is that on the add in the PP site?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Real SlimShady on July 05, 2007, 04:09:26 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 05, 2007, 04:11:35 PM
Do u not know slim??  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Bottom Brick on July 05, 2007, 04:11:58 PM
dunno but she's not bad...

40 e/w of mr paddy power's money gone on Run Beauty, come on hardy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 05, 2007, 04:27:58 PM
Ah jesus!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 05, 2007, 04:49:16 PM
Have quid on a place for run beauty at 70-1 and another 4 on seen and heard at 33-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 05, 2007, 06:47:21 PM
Stuck the holiday money on Run Beauty to be placed. 14/1 on Betfair. Good man Hardy we'll have a week in Butlins on the winnings. God bless you.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hollow Man on July 05, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
thanks for the dead cert Hardy

I put my house on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 05, 2007, 07:05:52 PM
SSIA money plus I cashed in the pension today to put on Hardy's cert.

I'll retire on the winnings for sure  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on July 05, 2007, 07:11:31 PM
Jez don't be going over the top boys!! A wee flutter is fine but never bet more than you can afford to lose; even on one of Hardy's mighty tips.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 05, 2007, 07:19:38 PM
Colonel

I think onw should read the above with a massive load of salt!

Run Beauty now at 50/1  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 05, 2007, 07:35:25 PM
OK, well the draw is one thing, but if you're an ould sow you won't be placed in a horse race. Hope yiz didn't go mad lads, joking aside. I backed the forecast Hum The Tune and Ardglen Flyer, which had the form to be placed but maybe didn't like the weather!

Anyway - as predicted, the winner was drawn in the inside stalls!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hollow Man on July 05, 2007, 07:38:28 PM
Hardy, i'm about to be cut off from my internet, and i havenet eaten in literally minutes due to poverty.

You heartless bastard! How could you!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 05, 2007, 07:41:05 PM
I'm going out now to have a dinner for you, so!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on July 06, 2007, 07:32:46 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 05, 2007, 07:19:38 PM
Colonel

I think onw should read the above with a massive load of salt!

Run Beauty now at 50/1  :o

:D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 06, 2007, 04:59:39 PM
More about Bellewstown Track Bias

I've been doing some research on the outcome of backing low-drawn horses in mile races at Bellewstown since 2000 (9 meetings, 53 races).

If you backed every horse drawn No. 1 in every mile race in each of those meetings, you would be running a profit of €37.00 to a €1 stake. If you backed every horse drawn 1 or 2, the outcome would be a €46.75 profit. Include horses drawn 3, and the profit is €37.25. Go to stall 4 and you're into a loss (€-2.00).

However, the bad news is that these results are heavily influenced by one meeting – July 2000, when there were winners at 33/1 and 16/1 out of stalls 1 and 2.  Take that meeting out of it, though, and you still show a profit, though much smaller (Stall 1: €9.00, 1&2: €7.75, 1,2&3: €4.35).

Make of it what you will and of course statistics like this are only sensible over a large number of instances and can't predict a single event.

For what it's worth, the statistics for tonight's 3 one-mile races (17:20, 19:50, 20:20) by the same criteria all show a loss, if you exclude July 2000, except backing Stall 1 in the 19:50, which shows a €1.50 profit . If you include July 2000, they show big profits, but the 19:50 and 20:20 races tonight were the ones that had the 33/1 and 16/1 winners from traps 1 and 2 that year.

(I'm just giving you the statistics - what, if anything, you do with them is up to you).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 06, 2007, 05:03:22 PM
well you were right for the national hardy where are you putting your money
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 06, 2007, 05:05:10 PM
I'm just goint to try backing stall 1 and two in each of the three races, for the crack - subject to looking at form, which I haven't done yet. If there's an obvious donkey, I'll pass. Better move - 17:20 coming up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 06, 2007, 05:16:02 PM
good luck then hardy let us know how you get on with the 1st race if you can
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 06, 2007, 05:34:15 PM
1st  Chevalier Country  16/1 (Drawn 4)
2nd  Willoughby Bay  2/1 F (5)
3rd  Chasing Clouds  8/1 (9)

Stall 1 4th, stall 2 nowhere to be seen.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on July 06, 2007, 05:57:46 PM
Well if one of them comes in it'll be sound.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on July 11, 2007, 03:50:04 PM
Any tips for Naas or Kempton gents?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on July 11, 2007, 03:51:09 PM
Red Maloney with DP Mc Donagh looks interestin!! 3-1 in from 5's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on July 12, 2007, 10:08:37 AM
Not a tip but i will be having a dabble on Northern Gem 2.35 Newmarket ew, should be about 10/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on July 12, 2007, 10:16:53 AM
still crazy. lingfield
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 12, 2007, 02:18:03 PM
Vorteeva - Newmarket 2.35 100/1

gonna have a very small EW on him, just cos he's better than 100/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: Homer on July 12, 2007, 02:18:03 PM
Vorteeva - Newmarket 2.35 100/1

gonna have a very small EW on him, just cos he's better than 100/1

how did he do homer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 12, 2007, 03:22:18 PM
Quote from: Homer on July 12, 2007, 02:18:03 PM
Vorteeva - Newmarket 2.35 100/1

gonna have a very small EW on him, just cos he's better than 100/1

Not good Deel, only backed him cos he was way over priced on his favored ground but like I said it was a very small bet.  ;)

Bit of word for Loch Verdi, Newmarket 4.55, reliable enough source, think he was tipped here before too, about 6/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 03:26:38 PM
Quote from: Homer on July 12, 2007, 03:22:18 PM
Quote from: Homer on July 12, 2007, 02:18:03 PM
Vorteeva - Newmarket 2.35 100/1

gonna have a very small EW on him, just cos he's better than 100/1

Not good Deel, only backed him cos he was way over priced on his favored ground but like I said it was a very small bet.  ;)

Bit of word for Loch Verdi, Newmarket 4.55, reliable enough source, think he was tipped here before too, about 6/1.
just got paid homer was going to pay the mortgage but feck it its all going on Loch Verdi no pressure on ya ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 12, 2007, 05:02:56 PM
Not even a place Deel  :-X :-X :-X

A lovely note to be heading home on  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 05:05:25 PM
oops 3 hungry mouths when i go home this evening, ah well any more tips homer ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 12, 2007, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 05:05:25 PM
oops 3 hungry mouths when i go home this evening, ah well any more tips homer ;)

:D :D :D  i think you and homer should take a break from the gambling for a few days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 05:09:36 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on July 12, 2007, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 05:05:25 PM
oops 3 hungry mouths when i go home this evening, ah well any more tips homer ;)

:D :D :D  i think you and homer should take a break from the gambling for a few days.


Your probably right cavan4ever
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on July 12, 2007, 06:27:12 PM
7.20 at Folkestone Get on Sharaab gents 7/1 at the min. TIP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 13, 2007, 09:55:47 AM
Dutch Art @ Newmarket should be good enough.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 13, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 05:09:36 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on July 12, 2007, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 05:05:25 PM
oops 3 hungry mouths when i go home this evening, ah well any more tips homer ;)

:D :D :D  i think you and homer should take a break from the gambling for a few days.


Your probably right cavan4ever

Sound advice, although you can't gamble what you don't have.

Quote from: Lecale2 on July 13, 2007, 09:55:47 AM
Dutch Art @ Newmarket should be good enough.

Hmmm..... when I am ever gonna need this spare kidney anyway.  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 13, 2007, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: Homer on July 13, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 05:09:36 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on July 12, 2007, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2007, 05:05:25 PM
oops 3 hungry mouths when i go home this evening, ah well any more tips homer ;)

:D :D :D  i think you and homer should take a break from the gambling for a few days.


Your probably right cavan4ever

Sound advice, although you can't gamble what you don't have.

Quote from: Lecale2 on July 13, 2007, 09:55:47 AM
Dutch Art @ Newmarket should be good enough.

Hmmm..... when I am ever gonna need this spare kidney anyway.  :P

DO IT HOMER DO IT
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 13, 2007, 02:36:11 PM
Ok kidney sold and the kids pawned

sticking with Newmarket

2.35 Mine
3.10 Dutch Art
4.55 Dzesmin

to dig me out of a hole  :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 13, 2007, 02:50:18 PM
Not off to a good start

2.35

1 Giganticus 16-1
2 King of Argos 10-1
3 Something 7-1
4 Dhaular Dhar 33-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 13, 2007, 02:50:30 PM
i'm scared to ask homer did the 1st horse come in  :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 13, 2007, 02:51:07 PM
oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 13, 2007, 03:19:42 PM
3.10

1 Sakhee\'s Secret
2 Dutch Art
3 Red Clubs

Didn't have him EW, one of them days I think
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Handball Ace on July 14, 2007, 02:09:56 PM
10 e/w on rodeo in the 2.10, darryl holland, here goes for free beer tonight!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Handball Ace on July 14, 2007, 02:34:20 PM
no good. ok, prince namid under kevin darley in the 2.40...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 16, 2007, 10:45:06 AM
How's she cuttin?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on July 19, 2007, 05:00:26 PM
Walking around with the head up in the air and showboating like the Dub's.  Keeps pointing at his form in the Racing Post and appealing for applause from the stable lads.

Manilou is out tomorrow night (8pm) Kilbeggan and I am going up to see him piss past the post.

He is listed for The Galway Plate and needs this win to avoid being balloted. He said he knows the story and what he has to do.

I expect he will win tomorrow night and be found lying across the old road on the Curragh on Saturday morning after the celebrations.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 19, 2007, 05:18:09 PM
5.25 Killarney

Sharekan 12/1 (tip)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 19, 2007, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: Homer on July 19, 2007, 05:18:09 PM
5.25 Killarney

Sharekan 12/1 (tip)

Nope.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on July 20, 2007, 06:00:22 PM
Sitting at 9/2 with Eastwoods as well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on July 20, 2007, 08:08:08 PM
Bud
Time for the Glue factory
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on July 22, 2007, 09:46:56 AM
Crazy crazy stuff.  The yoke that won was the one he beat last time out.  There was some winking among the jockeys before the race and quite frankly I don't think the horse was ridden well.  Strangely enough, they were breathalysing the jockeys in the weighroom at one stage, whether this is common practice or not I don't know, unless they were Dub jockeys and they were afraid they would fall asleep on the track.

Anyway, Tom Flood has another two fifties of my dosh because of that stupid horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on July 23, 2007, 02:07:22 PM
Gave the bookies back some of their money on this one as well.

What are the chances for Galway Bud?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 25, 2007, 07:59:08 AM
Don't Panic!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on July 25, 2007, 12:25:11 PM
Running tonight
Whats the story wit it Lecale?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on July 25, 2007, 12:39:10 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 25, 2007, 07:59:08 AM
Don't Panic!

Is that a horse or advice?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on July 25, 2007, 03:01:30 PM
It's a long while since any of you boys posted a winning tip. Would you just quit an stop encouraging people to throw their hard earned money away to Paddy Power in an attempt to get rich quick.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 25, 2007, 03:30:48 PM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on July 25, 2007, 03:01:30 PM
It's a long while since any of you boys posted a winning tip. Would you just quit an stop encouraging people to throw their hard earned money away to Paddy Power in an attempt to get rich quick.

That's the third time you've came on this thread and tried to stop us gambling Aristotle, and I bet it won't be the last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on July 25, 2007, 03:33:47 PM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on July 25, 2007, 03:01:30 PM
It's a long while since any of you boys posted a winning tip. Would you just quit an stop encouraging people to throw their hard earned money away to Paddy Power in an attempt to get rich quick.

Stay off the thread flynn if you dont like it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on July 25, 2007, 03:51:02 PM
I personally have found some of the inside info very useful. A great thread!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 25, 2007, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 25, 2007, 07:59:08 AM
Don't Panic!

Finished third, only top two each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 26, 2007, 08:41:51 AM
Where was it running at? Naas?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 26, 2007, 08:53:12 AM
Quote from: girt_giggler on July 26, 2007, 08:41:51 AM
Where was it running at? Naas?

Sandown 7.40
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 26, 2007, 11:27:24 AM
Poor racing today it seems to me, havent looked at evenings cards.

only horse think i'll be having a dabble on is Country Escape 4.50 Uttoxeter.  Beaten by a head last time out to do me out of a lucky 15, but i'll forgive & try again!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on July 26, 2007, 12:46:50 PM
Just got a tip form a good source, about 70-30 with his tips.

3.20 Sandown Yasinisi 8/1

I'm taken a pop at this.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Bottom Brick on July 26, 2007, 12:55:46 PM
7.50 e/w on him at 17/2 with paddy power, come on ya boy ya!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hollow Man on July 26, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
I have Loves bidding here now, need a good start...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on July 26, 2007, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: Hollow Man on July 26, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
I have Loves bidding here now, need a good start...

??? ??? What??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 26, 2007, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on July 26, 2007, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: Hollow Man on July 26, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
I have Loves bidding here now, need a good start...

??? ??? What??

I have placed a wager on a horse by the name of 'Loves Bidding' in the upcoming race, and I require that he wins (or possibly achieves a place in) the race in other to proceed with further bets today.

He didn't place anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 26, 2007, 03:12:45 PM
THIS IS NOT A TIP-REPEAT THIS IS NOT A TIP

Imperial Rose in the 7.20 tonight, Ruby on it, favourite, looks nailed on? Thinking of slappin my entire wage packet on so need advice!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 26, 2007, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: Homer on July 26, 2007, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on July 26, 2007, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: Hollow Man on July 26, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
I have Loves bidding here now, need a good start...

??? ??? What??

I have placed a wager on a horse by the name of 'Loves Bidding' in the upcoming race, and I require that he wins (or possibly achieves a place in) the race in other to proceed with further bets today.

He didn't place anyway.


your having a bad run homer i bet your luck will turn ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 26, 2007, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on July 26, 2007, 12:46:50 PM
Just got a tip form a good source, about 70-30 with his tips.

3.20 Sandown Yasinisi 8/1

I'm taken a pop at this.

15:20 Beat Charity Star Stakes (Listed) (Class 1) (2YO only)1st (7) Muthabara 11/4 Fav

2nd (6) Lady Deauville 33/1

3rd (4) Hobby 20/1


If you think you have good tips or inside information keep posting anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 26, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 26, 2007, 03:13:03 PM
your having a bad run homer i bet your luck will turn ;)

Nah didn't back him, had a small bet on Spirit's EW. Have Mafaheem backed from 3/1 in the 4.05, he's into 7/4 now (not a tip but a good horse).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 26, 2007, 03:32:54 PM
i think i will give it a miss if your backing it homer  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 26, 2007, 03:41:16 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 26, 2007, 03:12:45 PM
THIS IS NOT A TIP-REPEAT THIS IS NOT A TIP

Imperial Rose in the 7.20 tonight, Ruby on it, favourite, looks nailed on? Thinking of slappin my entire wage packet on so need advice!

Have a dab aye but wage packet?? dont be silly. 6/4 at min
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 26, 2007, 03:45:22 PM
Its just I have to pay off a holiday on saturday! Plus I wanna be able to go out this weekend so I can't do both at the minute!

Oscar Night and the Boxer Coffey look the dangers but Ruby is an absolute legend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 26, 2007, 03:54:18 PM
Don't put the whole lot on it anyway , keep some to go out the weekend anyway!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 26, 2007, 04:07:29 PM
correct! ive tried the whole need to pay off holiday or need spending money for holiday thing before - you are always disappointed bigtime!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 26, 2007, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on July 26, 2007, 03:32:54 PM
i think i will give it a miss if your backing it homer  :D :D :D

And dead right you are.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 27, 2007, 08:42:32 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 26, 2007, 03:12:45 PM
THIS IS NOT A TIP-REPEAT THIS IS NOT A TIP

Imperial Rose in the 7.20 tonight, Ruby on it, favourite, looks nailed on? Thinking of slappin my entire wage packet on so need advice!

Well done to you young man. did you slap it in the end or a sensible punt on it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 27, 2007, 08:54:08 AM
What was the price ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 27, 2007, 09:22:30 AM
6/4 i think
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 27, 2007, 10:49:53 AM
Got a hundred on it!! Was a close enough race but the other one going with it, cant remember the name, fell at the last, i near blew my load!!

So paid off my holiday this morning and have a tidy amount left for a decent weekend!!

Was out last night though and regrettin it now in work!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 27, 2007, 10:52:09 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 27, 2007, 10:49:53 AM


Was out last night though and regrettin it now in work!!!

Hate that !!!!

Anyone any tips for today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 27, 2007, 10:52:45 AM
didnt watch any racing last night bar this one, think he still would have won even if the other horse hadnt of fell, nasty looking fall by the way.

i had 20 on it for interest.  havent looked at any but a horse i like, Reverence, runs in the first at ascot today so might have a try.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 27, 2007, 12:02:17 PM
Aye thought it would win as well girt but your other horse was pushing her tight, too tight for my hundred quid!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on July 27, 2007, 12:27:33 PM
Sonny Red, first race at Ascot, should be good price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on July 27, 2007, 12:30:43 PM
Tip or fancy Benny?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on July 27, 2007, 12:54:36 PM
10/1 on betfair. 8/1 Paddy P.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on July 27, 2007, 01:52:41 PM
i received a tip there at lunch time. pretty reliable source in the past.

8.30 Fairyhouse - Mamma Morton

I got a sizeable bet at 5/1, now 7/2 last time i checked.

could make for a pretty nice weekend!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 30, 2007, 10:56:10 AM
Any tips or fancies for Galway?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 30, 2007, 01:56:04 PM
Fellow punters,

How about we do a bit of a competition for the Galway Races?

Everybody starts of with a pot say 300 bananas, and maybe have a max-limit of 100 a day. Each day everybody posts there bets and there balance and the leader at the end of the week gets crowned the top napster.

There'll be no prizes for the winner(s) but if they have any fate in their knowledge they should be in decent shape at that stage anyway.

Just an idea for a bit of craic.

If its too late to start today we could leave it til tomorrow

Floor open to suggestions / abuse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 30, 2007, 02:50:43 PM
Got word there for Riverside Dancer @ 4.00pm!
Not sure how relaible it is but got it at 5/1...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sandy Hill on July 30, 2007, 04:13:28 PM
Second @ 5/1 having come out of the stalls slowly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 30, 2007, 04:14:08 PM
Quote from: Candyman on July 30, 2007, 02:50:43 PM
Got word there for Riverside Dancer @ 4.00pm!
Not sure how relaible it is but got it at 5/1...

Yarmouth 4.00  

1st  15 For Life (IRE)  40-1  
2nd  5 Riverside Dancer (USA)  5-1  
3rd  2 Takitwo  9-2  
4th  11 Whistleupthewind  14-1  
   
Winning Trainer J E Long
Winning Jockey Natalia Gemelova
Runners 16 ran
Non runners 8

Beat by a f**king 40-1 shot!!!! >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Handball Ace on July 30, 2007, 05:08:55 PM
40 on the eagle, 4/5. get the week off to a flyer hopefully - come on ya bitch!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 30, 2007, 09:18:28 PM
Nice 12/1 winner in Loyal Focus. Just a fancy that I wasn't going to back until a lad in the local said he was goin to the bookies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on July 31, 2007, 02:12:59 PM
Manilou just makes the cut for the plate.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 31, 2007, 02:36:15 PM
I wouldn't touch her!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on July 31, 2007, 04:14:09 PM
ne back ne winners 2day? fancy samurai way! av it in a lucky 15!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on July 31, 2007, 04:14:39 PM
goodwood at 4.35
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 31, 2007, 04:33:12 PM
Bit of word today for Gurrun in the 5.10 (7/1) and Mosawat in the 8.10 at Galway (9/1).

EDIT - Gurren has drifted to 8/1. Ah Jesus is my word that cursed.  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenmachine on August 01, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
Galway
3.40 Conna Castle
5.00 Kirbybrougelantern
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on August 03, 2007, 04:27:47 PM
No big tips for the last day lads??!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on August 03, 2007, 04:37:16 PM
Theres one flying about Armagh, half the towns on it as it owned by a local businessman

Torrid Kentavr 6.15 @ Galway

R. Walsh on board

£5ew on her at 10s
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on August 03, 2007, 05:00:11 PM
looks like there is a lot of cash for that Dark Arts in the 7.55
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: supersarsfields on August 03, 2007, 05:07:08 PM
Had been tipped Dream Champion yesterday and I heard it was at 3/1. Just outa the bookies there and it's in to 5/4.

Also Do the trick as a little e/w for the 6.50.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on August 20, 2007, 11:54:49 PM
What about York tomorrow? Stoute always likes to pick up the Juddmonte International. Notnowcato is his entry. Won the race last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 22, 2007, 12:15:14 PM
Peeping Fawn looks an absolute stone wall cert in the 3.10, odds on like but I have my holiday spending money here and if I had any balls I would love to lump on!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Blacksheep on August 23, 2007, 08:56:06 AM
Not worth touching at that price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on August 31, 2007, 01:16:19 PM
Got word for Great Blasket atThe  Maze. EW prospect apparently.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Colonel Cool on August 31, 2007, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: Guillem2 on August 31, 2007, 01:16:19 PM
Got word for Great Blasket atThe  Maze. EW prospect apparently.

25/1 in Eastwoods. I'll have a small investment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on August 31, 2007, 01:32:42 PM
Get on him quick for his likes will never be here again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on August 31, 2007, 01:33:53 PM
WTF are we on about here?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on August 31, 2007, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: full back on August 31, 2007, 01:33:53 PM
WTF are we on about here?

They bet on horses these ones an try to pick ones that win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on August 31, 2007, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: full back on August 31, 2007, 01:33:53 PM
WTF are we on about here?

A couple of clever literary references there from Drici and Lecale. Google "Great Blasket" and you'll find out was these well read gentlemen and alluding to.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on August 31, 2007, 02:32:08 PM
Greyhound racing has got to be one of the most corrupt sports around. A friend of mine had two dogs stopped on Monday night, they both won! He was disgusted that the othere trainers had their dogs stopped better than his two!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on August 31, 2007, 02:32:29 PM
Cheers Guillem2 :D
:-[ :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on August 31, 2007, 03:22:13 PM
Mac

Unless you know an owner, nothing else is a tip. We had a dog for a while and we felt like the mafia, the dog was on this stuff to give him a start, that dog was on this to keep him to last to the line, the dog would be stopped. Do reverse forecast for the laugh and just sit back and enjoy a few pints.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on August 31, 2007, 05:22:51 PM
Quote from: Guillem2 on August 31, 2007, 01:16:19 PM
Got word for Great Blasket atThe  Maze. EW prospect apparently.
Never got a mention.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 06, 2007, 11:49:38 AM
Laytown races are legendary... the aul doll is away down today but sadly im stuck in work!! ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 06, 2007, 12:09:56 PM
Been having a decent run of late so time to jinx it by posting one here.

Menadha 2.00 Redcar 5/1

Probably drift like a barge now  :D.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on September 07, 2007, 10:07:47 AM
Anyone heading for Leopardstown tomorrow?  Irish Champion Stakes now looks a penalty kick for Dylan Thomas after the withdrawal of some of main rivalry.  Although at 4/7 he is abit on the skinny side.

Anyone else any other fancies?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on September 07, 2007, 01:50:42 PM
Headin down with the missus myself, don't go to many flat meetings but this is normally a good day. This years renewal is very dissapointing though, can't see this one having the classic finish that we have had in some of races over the last 10 years
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 12, 2007, 01:32:44 PM
Tip for

Haydock 3:00

Lady Aspen, 12/1 E/W

Starting to move now in the market
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on September 12, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
Opened at 20's earlier today
Down to 10's in places
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: goldenyears on September 12, 2007, 02:57:11 PM
hope it works out homer, i am on at 12s, now into 10s with pp
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: goldenyears on September 12, 2007, 03:05:15 PM
stuffed! not even mentioned!! >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on September 12, 2007, 03:08:01 PM
The sooner the NH season gets up and running the better. The flat season just lacks any sort of form guide. A 20/1 maiden steaming into odds of 8/1 just stinks of corruption.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 12, 2007, 03:10:07 PM
Apologies once again lads  :-[ :'(

Quote from: thewobbler on September 12, 2007, 03:08:01 PM
The sooner the NH season gets up and running the better. The flat season just lacks any sort of form guide. A 20/1 maiden steaming into odds of 8/1 just stinks of corruption.

That was what I was hoping for......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2007, 03:10:33 PM
I hear ya Wobbler, flat racing i absolute rubbish. No better Saturday than a few good jumps cards.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bacon on September 12, 2007, 03:11:12 PM
You haven't a great record Homer!   :-\ Come back Bud!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 12, 2007, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 12, 2007, 03:11:12 PM
You haven't a great record Homer!   :-\ Come back Bud!

Probably just as well as it might have prevented more of ye backing that donkey.

I honestly make a decent weekly profit on horses though, but everything I seem to post here seems to travel like Denis Bergkamp!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on September 13, 2007, 05:00:48 PM
For what it is worth - Dohasa 5.15 in Tipp
I have got a very positive report, but two things....
1. he is only best price 5/2, generally 9/4 or 2/1
2. This horse owes me from before
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on September 13, 2007, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on September 13, 2007, 05:00:48 PM
For what it is worth - Dohasa 5.15 in Tipp
I have got a very positive report, but two things....
1. he is only best price 5/2, generally 9/4 or 2/1
2. This horse owes me from before

Just got tip about that horse there also! got in at 9/4 hope it does the business but first time its raced at 5f. mayb a gud thing tho!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on September 13, 2007, 05:24:48 PM
Its just a pity we both took the price!!

Still can't be complaining, a win is a win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on September 13, 2007, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on September 13, 2007, 05:24:48 PM
Its just a pity we both took the price!!

Still can't be complaining, a win is a win

i no, rippin! nehow as u say a win is a win!! gud win at it, 3 lengths!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on September 28, 2007, 11:18:39 AM
Tip for Jimmy Styles in 2.35 at Ascot,

source 50/50 on the tips so I'll have a pop, just spreading the luck(good or bad)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: turk on September 28, 2007, 11:40:01 AM
I have a mate called Jimmy Styles so I will definitely do this tip as a "fun bet"

thanks!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 11:51:30 AM
Spirit i passed that tip on there and got another one!!
from the "biggest bombscare of a jockey in armagh" ye can guess who it is....

ISIDORE BONHEUR  4.30pm @ Haydock
"Apparently" the owner is putting a rite slab of cash on it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: small white mayoman on September 28, 2007, 12:01:02 PM
whats odds can you get them at?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 12:04:32 PM
Isidore Bonheur is 6/1 at the minute... fav is 6/5???
Jimmy styles is 10/3


FROM SPORTING LIFE WEBSITE:

Jimmy Styles can strike for Clive Cox in the Jean Bryant Memorial Handicap at Ascot on Friday.

He recorded his first win in an average-looking Windsor maiden in early August, before making a mockery of his official mark of 78 on his handicap debut at Newbury just two weeks later, when he routed the field by three lengths.

Second Esteem Machine, who reopposes here, and third Blackat Blackitten have both franked the form with victories since in decent handicaps.

Esteem Machine's improvement is such that he only gets a 2lb pull on Jimmy Styles for that three-length defeat at Newbury, and as Cox's charge is on a steep upward curve himself he should have no problem confirming form with that rival.

Up 11 lbs since his Newbury win, Jimmy Styles will have to show improvement against a good quality field, but he is as unexposed as any horse in the line-up and he will appreciate the testing six furlongs at Ascot.

Dangers include Richard Hannon's Edge Closer who is going for a four-timer, but he has been raised 20 lbs in the handicap since his first win over course and distance in July. Now on a mark of 97 he looks vulnerable and his run could be about to end.

He should at least set a strong gallop as he likes to do things from the front and a decent pace should definitely benefit the selection.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: small white mayoman on September 28, 2007, 12:06:38 PM
thanks for that candyman
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 28, 2007, 12:10:44 PM
Can get Isidore Bonheur at 7/1 in Boylesports still. He is up agianst 11/8 fav Best Prospect, a fine horse so might to a straight forcast on Best Prospect 1st, Isidore Bonheur 2nd to try cover a win bet on your tip Candyman.

But knowing my luck, I've just given it the kiss of death and both horses will trip across each other on the home stretch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: Homer on September 28, 2007, 12:10:44 PM
Can get Isidore Bonheur at 7/1 in Boylesports still. He is up agianst 11/8 fav Best Prospect, a fine horse so might to a straight forcast on Best Prospect 1st, Isidore Bonheur 2nd to try cover a win bet on your tip Candyman.

But knowing my luck, I've just given it the kiss of death and both horses will trip across each other on the home stretch.

i was just about to say that Homer... thats my bets up the left now!!!  :D
This tip came from Isidore's owner so i've been told, he works with the brother of the guy that gave me the tip??? (does that make sense  :D)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 28, 2007, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: Homer on September 28, 2007, 12:10:44 PM
Can get Isidore Bonheur at 7/1 in Boylesports still. He is up agianst 11/8 fav Best Prospect, a fine horse so might to a straight forcast on Best Prospect 1st, Isidore Bonheur 2nd to try cover a win bet on your tip Candyman.

But knowing my luck, I've just given it the kiss of death and both horses will trip across each other on the home stretch.


:D :D :D good man homer your probaly right haven't looked at a horse since i lost my wages :P on that tip you had about 2 months ago 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: turk on September 28, 2007, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: turk on September 28, 2007, 11:40:01 AM
I have a mate called Jimmy Styles so I will definitely do this tip as a "fun bet"

thanks!!

He was last! But it was still fun, in a cheap hollow way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 28, 2007, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on September 28, 2007, 11:18:39 AM
Tip for Jimmy Styles in 2.35 at Ascot,

source 50/50 on the tips so I'll have a pop, just spreading the luck(good or bad)

Another classic tip............
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on September 28, 2007, 02:46:34 PM
Won't be going on the other tip, been waiting for Best Prospect to run since early in the week   ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 28, 2007, 02:50:31 PM
No fortune lost Spirit, well, on my part anyway.

Ok gonna try reclaim my bad luck off Candyman by napping All My Loving, Ascot 3:45. He's short odds at evens and don't expect anyone on here to follow me, I just need to get the monkey off my back.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on September 28, 2007, 02:52:18 PM
Whoever the fcuk decided to run the horse on different ground to the main field, trainer/Ediie Ahern needs their head examined
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 28, 2007, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Homer on September 28, 2007, 02:50:31 PM
No fortune lost Spirit, well, on my part anyway.

Ok gonna try reclaim my bad luck off Candyman by napping All My Loving, Ascot 3:45. He's short odds at evens and don't expect anyone on here to follow me, I just need to get the monkey off my back.

Its a big f**king monkey now homer ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 28, 2007, 03:17:18 PM
It sure f**king is Deel...

(http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/3/gorilla_man.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 28, 2007, 03:19:38 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D brilliant homer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 03:41:49 PM
hopefully my tip comes in and all may be forgiven spirit!! i mean totally last ffs...  :D
although he is up against it with Best prospect  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 28, 2007, 03:50:59 PM
Nooooooooooooo .... 2nd
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on September 28, 2007, 03:52:41 PM
Dont talk to ma, tanked on it ffs, hopefully you will pull me out. Thank god I never got through to the aul boy, wudn't hear the end of it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 28, 2007, 03:53:37 PM
monkeys getting bigger homer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 03:55:11 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on September 28, 2007, 03:52:41 PM
Dont talk to ma, tanked on it ffs, hopefully you will pull me out. Thank god I never got through to the aul boy, wudn't hear the end of it.
ah f**k he woulda killed ye!!!
well yer man i got it off (you know who) thinks it should do ok...
it was at 7's earlier now into 13/2 i think???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
isidore bonheur is now out to 8/1?????????  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on September 28, 2007, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
isidore bonheur is now out to 8/1?????????  ::)

Actually its come in. It opened at 9/1 on the track and is now 8s. Bookies are robbing bastards with early prices. How many times do you back something early at 10/1 and it ends up 20's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on September 28, 2007, 04:22:50 PM
Into 6's, someones raided the piggy bank
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 04:24:11 PM
i've guaranteed odds anyway so f**k it....
im just thinkin of the amount of support it gets (or lack of it for that matter)  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on September 28, 2007, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 04:24:11 PM
i've guaranteed odds anyway so f**k it....
im just thinkin of the amount of support it gets (or lack of it for that matter)  ::)

Can you take guaranteed odds on any race at home? Over here its only selected races, usually 1 or 2 big handicaps per day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 04:30:28 PM
not sure maddog but the bandit brennan gave me them so im not goin to argue!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on September 28, 2007, 04:33:28 PM
beans on toast this weekend so
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 04:38:03 PM
think i'll just have the beans, cant stretch to the loaf!!!  :-X
apologies to all who lost, wait til i get hold of the tipster....  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 28, 2007, 04:40:54 PM
ye lucky feckers i hope there is a bean at home
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 04:53:01 PM
Lads sorry about that!!! some fecker hi-jacked my account and posted them sh*t tips.....  ::) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 28, 2007, 04:53:52 PM
ye come back soon bud before homer becomes homeless ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 28, 2007, 04:55:29 PM
Quote from: Homer on September 28, 2007, 03:17:18 PM
It sure f**king is Deel...

(http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/3/gorilla_man.jpg)

think homer is gettin bucked by that monkey now....  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 28, 2007, 04:56:38 PM
he probably needs the money
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 29, 2007, 09:29:48 AM
Darjina 4.20 @ Ascott
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on September 29, 2007, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: the onion bag on September 28, 2007, 04:45:42 PM
Manilou's out tomorrow in Navan. Where's Bud when ye need him   :)

Non-runner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on September 30, 2007, 01:30:13 PM
I hate superstition so I have to break this. So here are my bets today.

Ascot 15:45 : Young Mick    12/1    (EW)
Ascot 15:45 : Ask    11/4
Curragh 16:30 : Lizard Island    5/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on September 30, 2007, 07:18:39 PM
Bud toul me to pass this on:

"Manilou was withdrawn at Navan for no other reason than the trainer got mixed up with weights and in doing so almost caused the second biggest Battle Of The Boyne between us and him. At first we thought he was given a red for nodding at the winning post and pointing at the betting board prices and sneering at the other horses but no, just a genuine mix up.  He is heading for Gowran Park or somewhere down around the home of hurling next week."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on October 04, 2007, 11:08:33 PM
She has given me a day on the beer on Saturday.

Any tips to heighten the debauchery?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 05, 2007, 02:24:17 PM
Quote from: Homer on September 30, 2007, 01:30:13 PM
I hate superstition so I have to break this. So here are my bets today.

Ascot 15:45 : Young Mick    12/1    (EW)
Ascot 15:45 : Ask    11/4
Curragh 16:30 : Lizard Island    5/4


Ascot 15:45 : Young Mick    12/1    (EW)    :-[  Runs again today but going with Soapy Danger
Ascot 15:45 : Ask    11/4   ;D  Bye bye monkey
Curragh 16:30 : Lizard Island    5/4     :-[



Lads you can ignore this if you want but I got this in an email Wednesday and then the follow up today.

QuoteOk guys.....there's a horse running in a little seller on Sunday and hopefully he's going to be a nice pay day for us all. I have all the details and will pass them on a bit closer to the time.

We know there's no such thing as a good thing but this is a source that hasn't led me astray so far (usually only 2-4 selections a year - and they own the horses or are connected in some way)

Putting it up now in case you find yourself with some spare money between now and then and might put it on some stupid bet involving Liverpool in some way...

Keep it for this.

QuoteOkay....3:05 on Sunday afternoon....Uttoxeter

Name of Horse...Sehoya...

Dunno where he got it from but the fella that sent me the e-mail is the business.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on October 05, 2007, 02:36:09 PM
Is that this Sunday Homer?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 05, 2007, 02:38:19 PM
might as well put a few yo yo's on him homer might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb ;) is the fella that sent you the email just the business homer or in the business
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Balboa on October 05, 2007, 02:39:35 PM
What time is the Arc at on Sunday? It may clash with my trip to Casement Park.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 05, 2007, 02:57:28 PM
Balboa - Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 07 Oct 16:20

He IS the business Deel. I'm re-mortgaging the house  :D.

Yeah full back this Sunday. From a look at his previous form he'll probably start around 10/1but hopefully I'm wrong and he's 80/1.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 05, 2007, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Homer on October 05, 2007, 02:57:28 PM
Balboa - Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 07 Oct 16:20

He IS the business Deel. I'm re-mortgaging the house  :D.

Yeah full back this Sunday. From a look at his previous form he'll probably start around 10/1but hopefully I'm wrong and he's 80/1.




No food been bought till sunday evening, all the wages, kids savings, mother in law are going to be put on homers hunch. Roll on sunday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 05, 2007, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 05, 2007, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Homer on October 05, 2007, 02:57:28 PM
Balboa - Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 07 Oct 16:20

He IS the business Deel. I'm re-mortgaging the house  :D.

Yeah full back this Sunday. From a look at his previous form he'll probably start around 10/1but hopefully I'm wrong and he's 80/1.




No food been bought till sunday evening, all the wages, kids savings, mother in law are going to be put on homers hunch. Roll on sunday

And the up side for you is that even if it loses, at least you got rid of the mother in law
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 05, 2007, 03:13:23 PM
Well knowing homer she's out of here ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 06, 2007, 06:21:21 PM
Lads just to keep you lot in the loop, the lad sent me this, this evening..


QuoteOk....update...

Essentially Guest kep this horse for no charge because he knew he would get a win out of it. This is expected to be the horse's last race for the trainer.

Guest has said that the horse is bursting out of his skin, but the head lad is not so upbeat. Guest also says that the seller is tougher than he thought it would be. This is worrying but the horse is forecast to be 14-1 so we don't have to break the bank to have an interest. I've been told to make a phone call tomorrow morning at 10:30 am for an update.

Guest is the trainer if you didn't know.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 07, 2007, 11:00:59 AM
Sehoya opens at 7/1 after being forecast for 14s which means there's already been a good bit of backing on betfair overnight.

I await word from the tipster and will pass it on when I get it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 07, 2007, 12:46:48 PM
Here's the word lads....

QuoteRight....here's what I know from this morning. The man I was interested in has put 2 grand each way on the horse...but I think that's more out of obligation than anything else. The trainer is as bullish as ever although he did stress that he was worried about a horse called Mouseen. Another contact was called (not by me) to see how confident Johnston was but we've been unable to find that out as yet (call pending when we do)

Listen, we know how these things go....there's a big build up to a horse and then the f**ker does nothing. Well the people in the know have said that if the horse is ever going to win, it's going to be today and then he'll be sold on.

The people who have asked me whether to go big....I'm going to say don't go overboard, throughout the jumps season we'll get a lot more reliable info....this one is stetchy at best....in otherwards we hear confident comments from the trainer but worrying remarks from the head lad....I'm telling you everything as I get it so you can make your own minds up. I appreciate that everyone is probably going to back it....but don't go mad!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 07, 2007, 01:59:27 PM
Right so I'm off to Breffni Park lads for the Cavan county final.

The horse is into 4s with Boylesports but still 7s elsewhere. I have him EW at 10.5 on Betfair but he may drift further on it.

For what its worth these are the fellas own tips for today

Quote5pm Kelso - Legend's Lass

2:20 Kelso - Nota Liberata

And according to Richard Johnston's agent, his best hope of a win today is in the first race (Uttoxeter 2.30) with Warsaw Pact.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bensars on October 07, 2007, 03:13:43 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0o8SBsRhdkJxqM:http://irish.typepad.com/photos/sightings/donkeys_ears.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 07, 2007, 04:32:25 PM
poor showing bensars? You must have put your shirt on it? ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 08, 2007, 10:12:41 AM
Pulled up after about 30seconds Homer...  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 08, 2007, 10:12:57 AM
Jesus lads apologies once again, didn't get to see the race but I heard he didn't participate at all. The lad who passed on the tip is absolutely livid, as this was suppose to be in payback for previous favours. Thankfully I don't have the sort of cash at my disposal to split a grand on this horse as a few did. Guest has a lot to answer for especially as he had a 10/1 winner in an earlier race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 08, 2007, 10:13:26 AM
Jaysus, that is possibly the single worst run I have ever seen. There must have been something wrong with it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 08, 2007, 10:23:07 AM
There was a lot of gambling on betfair on the night previous and the bookies always check the exchanges and start off prices accordingly. There is a possibilty that the team were therefore unhappy with 7/1 price and decided to hold out for another race but my source really should have heard this. The worst thing is that we don't even know if he is a donkey or not he didn't lose the race, he just wasn't interested in it.

Think this should be my new avatar...

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/darbyogill1982/uttox.jpg?t=1191772072)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 08, 2007, 10:29:36 AM
was going well all afternoon with Senor Benny giving me a big lift!!!
thought i would act the candyman  ;) and tank on sehoya bigtime but look what happened...  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 09, 2007, 02:04:50 PM
Just after dropping my mother in law into paddy powers (sorry loanshark) ;) thanks for the tip homer ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on October 24, 2007, 04:19:02 PM
QuoteHalf the field just won the 3-50 at Folkestone.

What happened pray tell me?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on October 26, 2007, 02:54:01 PM
2.50 Newbury tomorrow (saturday)

Galactic Star  -  get on.

Forecast to go off at 6/4 but the 2nd fav is doubtful so could be shorter than that but I for sure will be lumping
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 27, 2007, 07:44:30 PM
I see that the racing post guy has gone for gorgeous George in the classic breeders cup  :o With that horse you would just never know what he'd do, be a big price winner and great to see it if it happens.

I think that Dylan Thomas is going to have his hands full and too short for a punt, but I hope he proves me wrong
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on October 28, 2007, 12:43:04 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on October 27, 2007, 07:44:30 PM
I see that the racing post guy has gone for gorgeous George in the classic breeders cup  :o With that horse you would just never know what he'd do, be a big price winner and great to see it if it happens.

I think that Dylan Thomas is going to have his hands full and too short for a punt, but I hope he proves me wrong

George Washington no longer Louth.

Washington suffers fatal injury
George Washington, the 2000 Guineas winner in 2006, had to be put down on a miserable weekend for European hopes at America's Breeders' Cup meeting.
The Aidan O'Brien-trained four-year-old broke a leg after finishing down the field in the $5m Classic, with the race won by Curlin, under Robby Albarado.  O'Brien's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe winner, and 15/2 favourite, Dylan Thomas finished fifth in the Turf.
That race was won by English Channel, trained by Todd Pletcher.
Dylan Thomas will be retired to stud, but George Washington, a quirky horse well loved by the British public, met a tragic fate under Mick Kinane on a horribly muddy dirt track. After winning both the Newmarket classic and the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes as a three-year-old, he had been sent to stud himself. But in March he was reported to have developed "fertility problems", and went back into training.
Kentucky Derby winner Street Sense went to his retirement after finishing out of the places in the same race.
Dylan Thomas's defeat, on the neighbouring turf course at Monmouth Park, had been the biggest talking-point from a European point of view until George Washington's fatal injury.
The losing streak for Arc winners at the Breeders' Cup continued, and O'Brien, who had Johnny Murtagh on board, said: "We always knew that soft ground could be a problem to him.
"I thought I had Dylan near his best but he was hating every second of it today."
"It was horrible ground and he's a real grass horse. He was losing his footing all the time and could never get competitive."
O'Brien had no luck at all during the weekend, as the European raiders drew their first blank since 1998.
The Ballydoyle handler's Excellent Art had been an unlucky second in the Breeders' Cup Mile to Kip Deville.
Drawn wide in stall 13, Murtagh elected to bide his time in the early stages before making stealthy progress round the outside.
But just as Murtagh asked him for his effort, he hung to his left, forcing his rider to take action.
"He handled the course OK," said Murtagh. "It was a good effort."
Henry Cecil's Passage Of Time ran a gallant race to finish third in the Filly And Mare Turf at behind Lahudood and Honey Ryder.
Alan Garcia kicked on turning into the straight and stole two lengths on Cecil's filly, who was in the perfect position but just could not quite get on terms.
Honey Ryder made great late headway to pinch second on the line.
Cecil said: "She didn't quicken, did she?
"Everything went right for her in the race, but from going well she seemed to struggle a bit at the end."
Trainer Bob Baffert waited five years to end his Breeders' Cup drought then celebrated two victories in as many hours on Saturday with favourites Indian Blessing and Midnight Lute roaring to commanding wins.
Indian Blessing had opened the day's action with an impressive wire-to-wire win in $2 million Juvenile Fillies to keep her unbeaten record intact.
Less than two hours later, Baffert and jockey Garrett Gomez teamed up again for the Sprint, Midnight Lute storming to a 4 3/4 length win over Idiot Proof. War Pass was a hugely impressive winner of the Breeders' Cup Juvenile under Cornelio Velasquez.
Nick Zito's charge was smartly out of the gate and just like Indian Blessing in the Fillies, he never saw another rival.
Ginger Punch got the better of Hystericalady in a titanic duel to win the Breeders' Cup Distaff at Monmouth Park.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/7060096.stm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 28, 2007, 01:30:00 AM
Sad news, a very gifty and very quirky horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 28, 2007, 11:07:04 AM
If its less than 2/1 I wouldn't call it a tip!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 28, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
RIP George, a sad day for horse racing. He was an amazing two year old and his Guineas win was excellent. Hopefully the small handful of mares he got in foal will carry to a full term and give him some racetrack progeny.

That track was a disgrace and looked very dangerous.

Quote from: Louth Exile on October 28, 2007, 11:07:04 AM
If its less than 2/1 I wouldn't call it a tip!!

Huh?  ???

Can't agree with you there LE. Of course we all like them 12/1 reeks of corruption nags, but a 5/4 tip* can often be the shout that makes your lucky 15.

* Provided it's not from me that is.  ;)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 28, 2007, 08:53:21 PM
I wouldn't be afraid of backing at evens myself, but its hardly a tip to say you think a 6/5 favourite is going to win  ::)

What I find particularly sad, for example, is you pick up a paper on champion hurdle day and Istabraq is odds on fav. The so called expert in the paper has napped it. Well done genius, you are earning your wages alright.

I thought Katchit was very impressive today at Aintree and Kauto ran a good race under big weight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Kentucky Blue on October 29, 2007, 10:42:00 AM
Katchit is a very likeable horse, just loves a battle and when anyone goes head to head with him, there's only gonna be one winner. Battles all the way to the line.

Kauto looked a little rusty mid race over his fences and walsh had to give him the stick a few times to keep him tuned in, but nonetheless on his seasonal re-appearance and conceding a lot of weight i was still impressed.

On the flat, Spencer is really busting his balls to stay ahead of seb sanders, intriguing battle for the title.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on October 29, 2007, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 28, 2007, 01:47:28 AM
Can we ban girt giggler from this thread?
He posts a bang on favourite as a tip and it gets the shite beat out of it.
If ever there was a Jonah.......................

away and shite. i never once mentioned it was a tip. the horse i selected was of a personal opinion & it was beat boohoo.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 30, 2007, 03:51:59 PM
Got a txt for Master Massini in the last @ Punchestown. EW.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on October 30, 2007, 03:58:28 PM
What price is it? Another 4/6 favorite?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on November 01, 2007, 03:07:52 PM
Manilou is going down to the Peoples Republic on Sunday.  He was in a bit of a tiff over his classification last time and had to be withdrawn much to his annoyance.  This is over hurdles and is deffo worth a punt so don't let passed form throw you off.  More news on Saturday but as of now he is walking around with the head in the air and as confident as a kerry footballer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 03, 2007, 11:26:22 AM
Non runner Bud?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on November 04, 2007, 12:02:21 PM
Yep,  there is murder going on at the moment and poor ould Manilou is caught in the middle of it.

Also, I think news will break about an infection that has gone through the yard of a well know trainer (Noy Manilous)

All The Good has been sold to Dubai so nothing to back at the moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 04, 2007, 08:16:18 PM
Cheers Bud. Keep us posted.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hitzelsperger on November 09, 2007, 05:15:17 PM
does anyone go on the site www.gg.com and use the tips on it... some eye for pickin out winners!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Blacksheep on November 09, 2007, 05:33:27 PM
Heavan Knows!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sandy Hill on November 10, 2007, 04:34:22 PM
Duo share championship glory  from Racing Post



by Tom O'Ryan
.



IT was the battle neither Jamie Spencer nor Seb Sanders wanted to lose - and neither did.

Who'd have thought it? Who'd have guessed? After seven and a bit months, thrills, as well as a spills, twists and turns aplenty – not to mention afinal dramatic day of action – the dynamic duo finished bang level on 190 winners apiece after the title went down to the very last race.

In the most closely fought battle since Steve Cauthen had inched out Pat Eddery 20 years ago after another titanic duel, Sanders, who had gone into the final day with a one-win lead, doubled it in the most extraordinary of circumstances; aboard Incomparable, who was gifted the 6f juvenile maiden after the erratic newcomer Omnicat had swerved and unseated Eddie Ahern inside the final furlong.

Spencer, though, battled back and, with Sanders, failing by just a short head on Borderlescott, it was the 2005 jockeys' champion who ended the day in style, completing a double on Generous Thought and Inchnadamph, the latter lifting the concluding 2m 1/2f handicap to force a dead-heat to this most gripping of duels.

"It's a great result - an amazing fairy story, really, for both of us," said Spencer.

"There's been lots of ups and downs along the way and it's been tough for us both. I've had tremendous support throughout the season, owners, trainers, and family, and have so many people to thank for helping me."

Sanders was equally ecstatic about the outcome. "I would have been devastated to lose," he admitted.

"It was nerve-wracking to come here today, mainly because I didn't know how I'd react if I missed out. To share it is a great relief. Now I've got to work out how I'm going to celebrate!"

Sanders, who also paid glowing tribute to everyone who had helped him in his quest - "if I started naming them all, I'd be here till midnight!" - added: "Racing is a tough game, but even though I'm a notoriously slow starter, a lot of doors opened-up for me this year, and they got wider and wider as the season wenton."

Spencer and Sanders, who, after being presented with their trophies by outgoing champion Ryan Moore, playfully sprayed each other with champagne on the winners' rostrum, will each take time out now to recover from their exertions and reflect on their achievement.   
"I'm not going to be riding very much for a while," said Spencer, while Sanders, who, having remarkably finished off at Wolverhampton last night, said: "I've got a riding trip to Mauritius organised later this month, but other than that, I'll be putting my feet up until the new year."

Thanks to the Racing Post and Racing UK, two worthwhile causes benefited greatly from the championship battle. Direct Aid For Africa, Spencer's chosen charity, and When You Wish Upon A Star, the charity nominated by Sanders, both received £1,900.

Paddy Power announced that they would pay out winning bets on both riders, while Stan James paid out on Sanders, clarifying on Sunday that they had their 'win on countback' approach had beenadvertised on the internet, text services and in betting shops for the past two weeks.

Greg Fairley, who has been race-riding for only two and a half seasons, secured the apprentices' title – won 12 years ago by Seb Sanders – with a final score of 65winners.

Hawick-born Fairley, the first Middleham-based winner since Jimmy Bleasdale 30 years ago, is attached to Mark Johnston's Kingsley House stable, where his father, Andrew is a work-rider.

Wearing a tartan tie to leave nobody in any doubts of his roots, Fairley said: "I'm particularly pleased to be the first Scot to win the title since Lee Newman (2000). It's unbelievable, really, a great thrill and I'd like to thank Mark and Deidre Johnston in particular, my parents, and everybody who has supported me throughout the season."

Aidan O'Brien clinched the trainers' title, while Godolphin were champion owners.

Another presentation was made during the afternoon - to Kevin Darley, who, after a 30-year career, which embraced 2,500 winners, retired from the saddle on a course where he had won the St Leger, three Racing Post Trophies, and where, in 2000, he himself was crowned champion.

Ever the professional, Darley was near the front of the crowd around the winning stage, when Spencer and Sanders, were crowned joint champions. "It was a great result," he said.

By the sound of the applause, which reverberated around Town Moor, everybody agreed with him. 


   





 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 10, 2007, 07:07:18 PM
It was great to watch, IMO flat racing rarely serves up high drama but there was bucket loads of it today with photo finishes and flat falls. There are very few other sports where you would see such sportsman ship. The two lads involved seemed genuinely happier to have shared the title than to have won it outright
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on November 16, 2007, 02:50:52 PM
Iktitaf out for rest of the season  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on November 16, 2007, 02:53:32 PM
14 years of age and still running on the bridle. What a legend of a horse!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 16, 2007, 03:34:55 PM
Its Crozan for me in the Paddypower. So that should narrow the field for the rest of you.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 17, 2007, 02:18:28 PM
Ruby took a bad fall and out for the day,  Liam Heard replacing him on  the red hot fav, Grannit Jack

My own NAP of the day is Sonnyanjoe in the 3.10, Brennan who is riding for a stable on fire says its his best ride of the three days. The post have napped him, He is getting nearly 2 stone from blazing bailey, juveneir is chaser out for a run and I think all the rest of them are out of the handicap
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on November 17, 2007, 02:28:43 PM
Ruby dislocated his shoulder.

Think Granite Jack should still take it but gonna have an E/W on Ponmeoath at 33 on betfair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 17, 2007, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Homer on November 17, 2007, 02:28:43 PM
Ruby dislocated his shoulder.

Think Granite Jack should still take it but gonna have an E/W on Ponmeoath at 33 on betfair.

i think i'll give that one a miss if you don't mind homer   :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on November 17, 2007, 02:48:40 PM
Granite Jack falls and L'Antartique takes it nice ride by Lee.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on November 17, 2007, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on November 17, 2007, 02:18:28 PM
My own NAP of the day is Sonnyanjoe in the 3.10, Brennan who is riding for a stable on fire says its his best ride of the three days. The post have napped him, He is getting nearly 2 stone from blazing bailey, juveneir is chaser out for a run and I think all the rest of them are out of the handicap

Good shout LE. Well done!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 17, 2007, 03:34:14 PM
Quote from: Homer on November 17, 2007, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on November 17, 2007, 02:18:28 PM
My own NAP of the day is Sonnyanjoe in the 3.10, Brennan who is riding for a stable on fire says its his best ride of the three days. The post have napped him, He is getting nearly 2 stone from blazing bailey, juveneir is chaser out for a run and I think all the rest of them are out of the handicap

Good shout LE. Well done!

Cheers Homer, had a couple of nice punts on it at 10/3 & 5/2, also had palarshan e/w in the big one, only lose so far has been Mc Coy in the juvenile.

A very bad day for the Nicholls yard, two good horses dead, top jockey with a dislocated shoulder and Heard didn't look too nimble coming away from the fall on G Jack either
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2007, 08:44:50 PM
got word there for chicken soup... 8.45 @ Dundalk!!
although knowing my luck it'll be as good as one of Homers "tips"... ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2007, 08:52:11 PM
as expected...  :D
4th
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on November 24, 2007, 09:34:03 AM
Did it win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 24, 2007, 03:04:45 PM
What an unbelievable horse. I know it's a cliche, but he has the heart of a lion. I've bored you all before with the fact that he's never won when I've backed him and never lost when I haven't, so you can guess what I did today. I never expected him to win this at his age. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised to see another big Cheltenham performance from him, simply on the basis that if he's in contention at the finish he just refuses to be beaten.

Outstanding sport, watching that today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 24, 2007, 03:07:43 PM
what age is he now hardy also you might let us know when your not going to put a few squid on him ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 24, 2007, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 24, 2007, 03:07:43 PM
what age is he now hardy also you might let us know when your not going to put a few squid on him ;)

He is 10, turning 11, a great horse, you just knew coming around the final bend that he just wouldn't give up. When you also factor in that Conor is renowned as a sympathetic jockey, it shows just how tough the auld fella is. The old dog is not finished yet  ;)
It was a pity to see a talented horse such as Detroit City lose his life, I truly believe that he wouldn't have been a champion hurdler, but nonetheless a top class animal and sad to see.

Sonnyanjoe put up another good performance for a second week in a row also and I was glad to see Kauto getting back to winning ways  :) Its great to have the national hunt season back in full swing and more good racing tommorrow with the troytown in Navan and the Beecher in Aintree.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 05, 2007, 10:50:39 AM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/07/12/05/RACING_Spot.html (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/07/12/05/RACING_Spot.html)

One of my all time favourites, 14 years of magic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on December 09, 2007, 09:45:53 AM
Heading down to Puncturestown today with the bould Manilou.  He was out for a trial race with two good horses in Gowran Park earlier this week and he bate them well and they were two that would have been fancied for today if they were running.  He was still running like Damien Fitzhenry running back after taking a penalty and throwing the head up and down and laughing after passing the post and despite his form from his last races I am confident he will win today.  Certainly worth an E/W bet if you get in early and if the smirk on his face and the strut of him after the trial is anything to go by. He thinks himself he has only to turn up.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 09, 2007, 02:54:55 PM
I don't think he finished.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on December 11, 2007, 08:41:11 PM
A disaster all round on the day. Bud's central heating went bust on Sunday and I never got down there and I didn't get the info until it was too late so I lost the price of the Bord Gas service man along with my shirt.  As I said, the boyo ran a trial and did well but it was decided on the day that because the ground was muck he would not be pushed which is kinda unfair on us punters.

He will be running again in two weeks time and he won't be pushed either but is preparing for a race in Feb.  In other words I am told not to back him next time out but the one after that. The row is over betwen the running and the horse needed race after race for about two months, he was actually complaininh himself about having no social life and watching all the other horses going away for weekends while he stayed at home. Sory about that is all I can say.

There is another yoke running soon called Big Zeb or Big Jeb.  Anyone know anything about a horse of this name tag ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 11, 2007, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on December 11, 2007, 08:41:11 PM
A disaster all round on the day. Bud's central heating went bust on Sunday and I never got down there and I didn't get the info until it was too late so I lost the price of the Bord Gas service man along with my shirt.  As I said, the boyo ran a trial and did well but it was decided on the day that because the ground was muck he would not be pushed which is kinda unfair on us punters.

He will be running again in two weeks time and he won't be pushed either but is preparing for a race in Feb.  In other words I am told not to back him next time out but the one after that. The row is over betwen the running and the horse needed race after race for about two months, he was actually complaininh himself about having no social life and watching all the other horses going away for weekends while he stayed at home. Sory about that is all I can say.

There is another yoke running soon called Big Zeb or Big Jeb.  Anyone know anything about a horse of this name tag ?

Big Zeb is a very useful Irish 6 yo who has been running over hurdles this year after spending last year coming close in a few bumpers.

Good form but seems to like second place a bit much: 223-122.

Here is the analysis comment on his last second place finish behind odds on fav Catch Me.

Big Zeb (B J Geraghty 2/1) ran a satisfactory race on his seasonal reappearance. Handily placed, he went in pursuit of the winner after the third last but was no match. Encouragingly, he pulled well clear of the third horse and it can't be too long before this very highly regarded individual goes and jumps a fence.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 17, 2007, 11:20:08 AM
Anyone know how to find out when a horse is running next?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 17, 2007, 11:23:27 AM
On IrishRacing.com you can put in a couple of horses names and they will email you with declarations, confirmed starts and results for that horse(s). It's handy enough if you don't study the Racing Post every day.
Title: from racing post
Post by: maddog on December 17, 2007, 11:26:56 AM

BIG ZEB (IRE)   6-y-o (1 Jan 2001) b g 
    NOTEPAD 
Trainer: C A Murphy             Owner: Patrick Joseph Redmond 
Breeder: Lyle Buttimer
Oscar(IRE) (16.0f) - Our Siveen (Deep Run(13.4f)) 

     My Notes        Form        Statistics        Entries        Wins        Sales        Charts        Relatives        Quotes       
 
RACE TYPE STARTS WINS 2nds 3rds WIN PRIZE TOTAL PRIZE  BEST TS BEST RPR BHB RATING†

Lifetime Flat Turf  0 0 0 0 £0 £0     
Lifetime All Weather  0 0 0 0 £0 £0   
Lifetime Hurdle  6 1 4 1 £5,603 £15,953 123 135 
Lifetime Chase  0 0 0 0 £0 £0   
Lifetime Stakes  0 0 0 0 £0 £0   
Lifetime All  6 1 4 1 £5,603 £15,953   
                     
VIDEO  DATE  RACE CONDITIONS  WGT  RACE OUTCOME  JOCKEY  OR  TS  RPR

                 
— — 01Dec07 Fai 18Y/Sft  H,11K 11-6 2/12 13L, Catch Me[2/1] 11-9  B J Geraghty —  79  135
— — 27Apr07 Pun 16Gd  NvH,13K 11-12 2/24 3½L, Sizing Europe[4/1J] 11-11  B J Geraghty —  108  126
— — 10Mar07 Fai 16Sft/Hy  MdH,5K 11-12 1/16 12L, Best Malt[3/1] 11-5  B J Geraghty —  123  129
— — 21Oct06 Fai 16Sft/Hy  4-7yNHF,4K 11-7 3/13 7½L, Judge Deed[4/5F] 12-0  D P Fahy —  43  105
— — 18Apr06 Fai 16Gd/Y  5-6yNHF,6K 11-6 2/23 2L, Captain Cee Bee[9/4F] 11-13  D P Fahy —  —  109
— — 05Feb06 Lim 16Sft  5-7yNHF,4K 11-4 2/14 2½L, Clopf[9/4F] 11-8  D P Fahy —  112  112
Videos: "FULL" show full race, "FIN" shows closing stages.



Not entered in anything in the next few days anyway


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 17, 2007, 11:50:45 AM
Cheers i got a tip for a horse but it doesn't seem to be entered in any races and was supposed to be running before xmas, i will post up more info when i get it.

Supposed to be a cert  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on December 17, 2007, 12:00:03 PM
Thats what we need for the Christmas money!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 18, 2007, 12:57:50 PM
I see Iktitaf had to be put down yesterday :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 18, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
Straight from the horse tracker's mouth...

Big Zeb (IRE)
--------------------------
5 day entry at Down Royal 26th Dec, details available at
http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card086200712261400.htm (http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card086200712261400.htm)

Manilou (FR)
--------------------------
5 day entry at Leopardstown 26th Dec, details available at
http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card093200712261510.htm (http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card093200712261510.htm)

5 day entry at Limerick 27th Dec, details available at
http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card094200712271450.htm (http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card094200712271450.htm)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 18, 2007, 04:39:07 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on December 18, 2007, 12:57:50 PM
I see Iktitaf had to be put down yesterday :(

Is that the one was a bit like Harchibald (ungenuine has to win on the bit type)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 18, 2007, 04:43:50 PM
Is that a tip homer>
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 18, 2007, 04:50:25 PM
God no cavan4ever, I've stopped posting tips here by popular demand  ;D

Big Zeb is a horse that Bud requested information on, further down the page and well I'm sure you've heard of Manilou.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 18, 2007, 04:55:33 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 18, 2007, 04:50:25 PM
God no cavan4ever, I've stopped posting tips here by popular demand  ;D

Big Zeb is a horse that Bud requested information on, further down the page and well I'm sure you've heard of Manilou.


Unfortunatley i have  :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 18, 2007, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 18, 2007, 04:50:25 PM
God no cavan4ever, I've stopped posting tips here by popular demand  ;D
Big Zeb is a horse that Bud requested information on, further down the page and well I'm sure you've heard of Manilou.

say it isn't true homer  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 19, 2007, 11:03:08 AM
Ok i got this tip last weekend and it's running in Navan on Saturday.  Horse is called Jamie's Boy and it is running in the 2.30 race. 

The fact that i got the tip a full week before the race and the person didn't even know where it was running makes me wary though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on December 19, 2007, 01:53:49 PM
I think Bonus will win in Kempton tonight.

I think if Manilou runs in Navan he will win in Lep'town but he won't win his very next race. That yoke Big Zeb is supposed to be a cert but then again....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 19, 2007, 04:00:30 PM
Waiting on a nag called Delightfully, has been declared and withdrawn a couple of times already, meant to be a 'Christmas money' horse. Keep them peeled, no doubt it'll appear on boxing day with no AZ's anywhere to check through the hundred or so meetings on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Blacksheep on December 19, 2007, 07:12:39 PM
Stuck the christmas money on it. 4/1.

Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 19, 2007, 08:37:58 PM
Only got 4/1 myself but no matter. Go raibh maith agat Bud. Another one I owe ya.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on December 19, 2007, 09:25:29 PM
I had 20 Euro on his snout and if he had lost I would never back another horse, at least before Christmas anyway.  Now I can hold my company staff Christmas Party tomorrow and buy all the drink because there is only me in the company.

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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2007, 11:49:26 PM
Good man Bud!! Thanks v much. 4/1 is grand when it wins.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2007, 12:04:08 AM
Big Zeb
Entered in the following races

26 Dec 2007 2:00  (Four Day) at DOWN ROYAL, Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Beginners Chase 
29 Dec 2007 1:25  (Five Day) at LEOPARDSTOWN, Bewleys Hotel Manchester Beginners Chase
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 20, 2007, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 19, 2007, 11:49:26 PM
Good man Bud!! Thanks v much. 4/1 is grand when it wins.

Any winner is a good !!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 25, 2007, 03:06:09 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2007, 12:04:08 AM
Big Zeb
Entered in the following races

26 Dec 2007 2:00  (Four Day) at DOWN ROYAL, Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Beginners Chase 
29 Dec 2007 1:25  (Five Day) at LEOPARDSTOWN, Bewleys Hotel Manchester Beginners Chase


Big ZEB:

Entered in the following races

29 Dec 2007 1:25  (Four Day) at LEOPARDSTOWN, Bewleys Hotel Manchester Beginners Chase 
1 Jan 2008 3:15  (Four Day) at FAIRYHOUSE, Bambury´s Bet @ Rathborne Beginners Chase
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Owenmoresider on December 26, 2007, 03:24:39 PM
Powerful stuff from Ruby and Kauto Star today, ran away with the King George in the end. Short-priced for Cheltenham already.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on December 29, 2007, 06:10:21 PM
Big Zeb fell at the first. It most have been the weight of all my money that pulled him down :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2008, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Sky Blue on December 29, 2007, 06:10:21 PM
Big Zeb fell at the first. It most have been the weight of all my money that pulled him down :(

3.15 Fairyhouse:

BIG ZEB, who came to grief at the first fence when second-favourite for Saturday's Leopardstown event won by Pedrobob, is tipped to make amends. It is noteworthy that he was a fraction shorter in the betting than Pedrobob, who won last season's County Hurdle and had the advantage of a previous run over fences, so there was plenty of confidence behind the Oscar gelding who certainly has the physique of a chaser. A course winner of a maiden hurdle last season, and afterwards a fine second to Sizing Europe at Punchestown, he warmed up for the new campaign with a satisfactory efforr behind Catch Me over hurdles at this venue.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
1    Big Zeb 11/4 J2Fav 7 11 - 12 D N Russell C A Murphy -

tracked leaders on outer, 5th halfway, headway approaching 3 out, led travelling well 2 out, clear last, easily

Well done again Bud ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 01, 2008, 07:45:22 PM
Well done again Bud!!

He won it easy, gave a lot of ground to the favourite with a wide run but ran out by 10-12 lengths.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 02, 2008, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 19, 2007, 04:00:30 PM
Waiting on a nag called Delightfully, has been declared and withdrawn a couple of times already, meant to be a 'Christmas money' horse. Keep them peeled, no doubt it'll appear on boxing day with no AZ's anywhere to check through the hundred or so meetings on.

There's a horse called Delightfully running in the next (12.40) at Ayr !?!? 10/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 02, 2008, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: Homer on January 02, 2008, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 19, 2007, 04:00:30 PM
Waiting on a nag called Delightfully, has been declared and withdrawn a couple of times already, meant to be a 'Christmas money' horse. Keep them peeled, no doubt it'll appear on boxing day with no AZ's anywhere to check through the hundred or so meetings on.

There's a horse called Delightfully running in the next (12.40) at Ayr !?!? 10/1

Beat
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 02, 2008, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 02, 2008, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: Homer on January 02, 2008, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 19, 2007, 04:00:30 PM
Waiting on a nag called Delightfully, has been declared and withdrawn a couple of times already, meant to be a 'Christmas money' horse. Keep them peeled, no doubt it'll appear on boxing day with no AZ's anywhere to check through the hundred or so meetings on.

There's a horse called Delightfully running in the next (12.40) at Ayr !?!? 10/1

Beat

Aye, came 3rd and had the 8th horse not been declared a non-runner there could have been some each way money from him.

However this may not have been the horse that Benny was referring to as there is another horse named Delightfully that hasn't ran since April.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 02, 2008, 02:06:50 PM
that was it unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on January 04, 2008, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on December 19, 2007, 01:53:49 PM
I think Bonus will win in Kempton tonight.

I think if Manilou runs in Navan he will win in Lep'town but he won't win his very next race. That yoke Big Zeb is supposed to be a cert but then again....

Manilou for cork 3.05 tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Grantsman on January 04, 2008, 02:59:32 PM
I was talking to Bud Wiser just this very second and he says to wait 'till later.  He thinks there will be only 9 horses in that race but I think he will be running like the last day when he pulled the arms out of the jockey and came 9th.  Whats the ground like in Cork, was there much rain down there?

Bud says he won't be backing him, waiting for another two weeks or so.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 04, 2008, 03:08:34 PM
I hope I meet this Bud wiser fella something. I own him a few pints.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 04, 2008, 04:13:09 PM
Quote from: Grantsman on January 04, 2008, 02:59:32 PM
Whats the ground like in Cork, was there much rain down there?


Heavy rain overnight and heavy showers through most of today - here by Cork Harbour anyway. I don't imagine Mallow was much different. The going in my back garden would be described as soft and that's on a hill.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Grantsman on January 04, 2008, 05:30:23 PM
The lad's aren't even going down Bud said so he is out for a ramble around Cork.  If he wins he will be the first horse shot for winning a race.


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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onlooker on January 04, 2008, 09:44:05 PM
There is to be an inspection in the morning to see if racing can go ahead.  Steeplechases may be abandoned.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 05, 2008, 05:26:46 PM
Word for one tonight, 8.50 @ Kempton - Brandywell Boy, 8-1 in papers.  Fella that gave it to me, who knows the connections, was enthusiatic enough about it's chances.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on January 10, 2008, 10:07:02 PM
Just bringing this back to near 1st (past the) Post because there will be a bit of craic at the weekend with a horse and I am not going searching for the thread.  Don't know if I will post the name though but I will PM regulars or give clues. I think it might be Karl Isle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on January 11, 2008, 09:46:56 AM
Please post it here or include me in ur Pm's!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 11, 2008, 09:54:36 AM
keep me in mind too bud
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on January 11, 2008, 10:17:25 AM
I'm not sure whether it is Carlisle or not, or Sunday or not, it might be tomorrow.  I'll know when I get off this bloody addictive forum and get off me arse and go and do some work.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: john mcgill on January 11, 2008, 10:49:13 AM
Bud please pm me too. Don't let Tony F have all the luck!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2008, 07:38:38 PM
Clue no 1. =
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 12, 2008, 08:22:04 AM
Fancy Do the trick big time tomorrow in the Pierce Hurdle provided the ground isnt too bad. Was big word about it at the christmas festival but carberry gave it a terrible ride. He left the horse with far too much to do. Was 12 lengths behind going over the last and ended up get beating by a length in third. Around 5/1 for tomorrows race which provides a solid each way bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on January 12, 2008, 10:09:17 AM
After all that it's not running - I think.  Was supposed to be a 20/1 cert so we have to wait and see.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2008, 10:28:07 AM
sound enough Bud a 20/1 cert would be sweet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on January 12, 2008, 11:35:16 AM
I am going salmon fishing, with a sprong so I won't be on until tomorrow.  If it runs I will text a poster or two whose mobiles I have and they can post it here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 12, 2008, 11:51:51 AM
Good man Bud. Not left yet? Can do the business.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2008, 12:44:04 PM
Bud was just on to me. He says it sounds like Burriss Carra or something and its the 2.30 at Lingfield.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bensars on January 12, 2008, 12:49:57 PM
2.25  lingfield

8-1 on bet 365.  was 9's when i logged on

Took a speculative punt.


Just checked Paddypower and it was 6's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 12, 2008, 02:06:41 PM
The money is on Burriscara OK. In from 10s to 6s most places.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on January 12, 2008, 02:15:27 PM
Jesus, hope ye haven't gone too hard on it, first it was running then it wasn't and I had to go out this morning so fingers crossed.  Its running against Geezers Colours in the same race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2008, 02:19:10 PM
Got him at 13/2 heres hoping, put 20 points on him as Tony Soprano would say ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on January 12, 2008, 02:33:57 PM
A load of balls in the end, first it was to run in Carlisle, then not run at all, which it didn't so I didn't know what to do, if it won I'd feel an eejit for not telling ye, now I feel a bigger one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 12, 2008, 02:45:04 PM
You can't win them all Bud. As Drici says, the horse seemed to be acting the monkey. You can't legislate for that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2008, 02:49:03 PM
don't worry about it bud now you know how homer feels :D :D Keep the tips coming
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2008, 02:57:18 PM
Not to worry. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2008, 03:04:00 PM
Seanie any chance of me heading down to your house this evening for the grub its just that i spent all the shopping money :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on January 12, 2008, 03:32:50 PM
Bonus won at Lingfield
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 16, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
Check out Mafasina @ Kempton. I got word she'll be trying.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 16, 2008, 11:46:41 AM
will she be trying to win Lecale or trying to loose ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 16, 2008, 11:56:59 AM
Trying my nerves.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 16, 2008, 12:09:15 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2008, 02:49:03 PM
don't worry about it bud now you know how homer feels :D :D Keep the tips coming

Don't worry Deel your resident top tipster will be back with a vegence come Cheltenhem  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 16, 2008, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: Homer on January 16, 2008, 12:09:15 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2008, 02:49:03 PM
don't worry about it bud now you know how homer feels :D :D Keep the tips coming

Don't worry Deel your resident top tipster will be back with a vegence come Cheltenhem  :D

can't wait Homer looking forward to loosing my shirt allready :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on January 16, 2008, 12:14:24 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 16, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
Check out Mafasina @ Kempton. I got word she'll be trying.

She's been napped on the Sporting Life website...  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 16, 2008, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 16, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
Check out Mafasina @ Kempton. I got word she'll be trying.

It's 8/1 from 15/2 AFAIK
Only 7 runners in race now :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on January 16, 2008, 06:02:33 PM
It's available at 16/1 on Bet Fair. If it wins I'll eat my hat, coat and scarf!!

Where's your info from Lecale? I know you've posted winning tips before but this looks very unlikely IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SouthArmaghBandit on January 16, 2008, 06:26:30 PM
Worth a fiver?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on January 16, 2008, 07:00:43 PM
Only the bookie wins. Keep your money in your pocket.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on January 16, 2008, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 16, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
Check out Mafasina @ Kempton. I got word she'll be trying.


Out to 10/1 on ladbrokes
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on January 16, 2008, 08:22:28 PM
3rd @ 10/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on January 16, 2008, 08:22:50 PM
Ran well.  Wasnt trying enough :-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 18, 2008, 05:56:31 PM
Bonus is out tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 24, 2008, 09:42:01 AM
Great racing today at Gowran where we will see the return of the King! Anyone any tips or selections? I fancy Royal Man in the big one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on January 24, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
I hope you are not tipping him based on a John Duggan recommendation, that guys tips are muck
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 24, 2008, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on January 24, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
I hope you are not tipping him based on a John Duggan recommendation, that guys tips are muck

Whos John Duggan? I was just thinking he will run well cause he likes the ground and isnt carrying too much weight. Will be terrible ground today due to recent rain. He won last time out too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on January 24, 2008, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 24, 2008, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on January 24, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
I hope you are not tipping him based on a John Duggan recommendation, that guys tips are muck

Whos John Duggan? I was just thinking he will run well cause he likes the ground and isnt carrying too much weight. Will be terrible ground today due to recent rain. He won last time out too.

You are better off not knowing who he is  :D He gives tips (rarely winning ones) on Today FM on a Thursday morning.

I just had a look at KK's record on Heavy ground, he has only run on heavy ground twice! Firstly when well beaten in a nothing bumper and other time was when comfortably beating Central House in a 2mile Novice hurdle at around this time of year. The trip is no problem to him, as only the brilliant Well Chief in the Arkle. It would be great to see him run well. There will be no touching Nickname today though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 24, 2008, 02:27:45 PM
Great run by Kicking King - made all the running and just pipped by Nickname who got up in the last 100 yards.  KK might have won but for a blunder at the second-last which knocked the momentum out of him. Geraghty did well to stay on board.

1 Nickname
2 Kicking King
3 Newmill

3 ran.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: FermGael on January 24, 2008, 02:40:43 PM
lads got a tip there now. 

2.45 Gowran Park NewBay Prop
Have no idea what the horse is like but i stuck a tenner on it at 7/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2008, 02:53:47 PM
Jaysus Royal Man jumped like he had wooden legs. Did he pull up? Started going backwards about a mile out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 24, 2008, 03:01:35 PM
didnt see the race but backed royal man. typical of my luck really. Backed big zeb and farmer jack in the next two.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on January 24, 2008, 03:10:51 PM
i have backed Jades Double in the next at fontwell just because there is money for him.

BAck out to 10/1  :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on January 24, 2008, 03:49:44 PM
Thought was a good run by KK, hitting the second last reminded me of him hitting the last at Kempton in King George. It is Nicknames ideal distance and ground, so on that basis it would look like great form, although I don't think Nickname was at his best, particularly given how close Newmill was in ground that is far from his ideall. Good run all the same by KK, great to at least have a good challenge at the gold cup now

Back Black Apalachi myself in the big one, e/w at 14's, got a good run for my money anyway, he has been ultra consistent in big handicap chases this season
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 25, 2008, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on January 24, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
I hope you are not tipping him based on a John Duggan recommendation, that guys tips are muck

He is so bad its unreal, has he ever picked a winner? even homer has a better strike rate thats how bad he is ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 25, 2008, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 25, 2008, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on January 24, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
I hope you are not tipping him based on a John Duggan recommendation, that guys tips are muck

He is so bad its unreal, has he ever picked a winner? even homer has a better strike rate thats how bad he is ;)

Deel I think its your turn to put up a winner.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 25, 2008, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: Homer on January 25, 2008, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 25, 2008, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on January 24, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
I hope you are not tipping him based on a John Duggan recommendation, that guys tips are muck

He is so bad its unreal, has he ever picked a winner? even homer has a better strike rate thats how bad he is ;)

Deel I think its your turn to put up a winner.  ;)

Fair point homer  :D i'll give you my tip of the week next week don't want to steal your thunder ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on January 25, 2008, 12:39:05 PM
Why wait Deel, there are 5 graded races at Cheltenham tommorow, I'm sure you can pick a winner from one of them  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on January 25, 2008, 12:48:27 PM
Fancy Macs Goose
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 25, 2008, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on January 25, 2008, 12:39:05 PM
Why wait Deel, there are 5 graded races at Cheltenham tommorow, I'm sure you can pick a winner from one of them  ;)

Sure i'll give it a blast LE can't be much worse than the rest of the boyos' on here :D anyway i'll study the forrrrm tommorow morning and i'll announce my certs then ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 25, 2008, 01:52:21 PM
Realism
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 25, 2008, 02:00:52 PM
2nd @ 16/1. Nice EW punt.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 25, 2008, 02:02:25 PM
Well done Lecale. Good shout.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on January 25, 2008, 02:04:25 PM
Could you give us more than a 3 minute warning for the next tip Lecale? Cheers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 25, 2008, 02:37:09 PM
Ela Re EW 15.40. Available at 20/1 with Ladbrokes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 25, 2008, 02:41:11 PM
Just posted this in the Cheltenam thread os thought would put it up ere as well:

Just pointing out tomorrows card at Cheltenham-great jumps card, should be some very good pointers for the Festival with the likes of Wichita Lineman, Exotic Dancer, Katchit, Blazing Bailey and Ashely Brook all winning on the corresponding card last year.

Very good novice hurdle to start off with, Wichita won last year and went on to win the Brit Insurance Novices Hurldle on Gold Cup day. Another horse that Wichita beat last year was Massini's Maguire who went on to the Ballymore Properties Hurdle, and Tidal Bay who is currently top of the markets for the Arkle and RSA Chase (5s and 8s respectively). I like the look of Ecelith Echo in the first, did well in bumpers before switching to hurdles, looks useful enough and can go any ground and has been looking for more than 2miles.

The 2.10 sees a winner form last years festival, Burntoakboy which won the Coral Cup. Am ruling out New Little Bric after such a disappointing run in the Boylesports Gold Cup which it went off favourite (won by Tamarinbleu which is now up there for the Champ Chase after beating Twist Magic last week). My pick would be Patman Du Charmil, a creditbale third behind Tamarinbleu in the Boylesports GC and 2nd to Vodka Bleu in good race New Years Day at Cheltenham, clearly enjoys the course.

The Letheby (2.40) won by Exotic Dancer last year who went on to finish second in Gold Cup, See more Business another winner of this race and the Gold Cup. Pity Exotic Dancer has been took out of the race would have liked to see him after the King George which was a little disappointing. Leaves the racewide open though. Horses such as Our vic, Neptune Collonges, Madison du Berlais and State of Play all etered for the Gold Cup. Our Vic is also entered for the Ryanair Case for which it is prominent in the betting. I can't see past Our Vic here. Ran a cracker on St Stephens Day to finish second in the King george, a rac which Kauto totally dominated and showed his class. Pipes horses have been in great form this season as well, especially in the bigger races.

The Juvenile Novice Hurdle will give god pointers for the Triumph Hurdle at the festival. Last years winner was Katchit who went no to romp home up the hill in the triumph. Another previous winner was Hors La Loi who went no to Champion Hurdle glory. I see this race as a battle between Franchoek (5/1 triumph) and Tatenen (16/1 triumph). King versus Nicholls. I would go for Franchoek because I like the King/Thornton combo, been very good for me over the last couple years and has proved can go over the soft ground and won over the distance on three occasions.

The race I am looking forward to the most is probbly the Cleeve Hurdle (3.50) since Exotic dropped out of the Letheby. Bad memories of this race after Black Jack in it last year but sure no matter. Last years World Hurdle hero Inglis Drever out for the second time this season, will be very hard to beat given that it s a two time WH winner. Won't get it easy though as Blazing Bailey ahs looked back to his best this winnning by a good margin New Years Day from horses such as Wichita, Afsoun, Black Jack and Gaspara. Chief Dan George is niteresting, was beaten by Wichita at last years festival but the reversed the result at Aintree a few weeks later. I would go each wayn though on te ever improving Lough Derg, couldnt believe the price last week when it won at 6/1!! When you think its beat the likes of Hardy Eustace, Black Jack, Special Envoy etc...

Well theres my thoughts, as you can tell its been a pretty slow day!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on January 25, 2008, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 25, 2008, 02:37:09 PM
Ela Re EW 15.40. Available at 20/1 with Ladbrokes.

Great call again Lecale - ran well to finish 3rd @ 20/1. A couple of yoyos for the pub tonight  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on January 25, 2008, 04:04:16 PM
Got it this time! Cheers Lecale! €10 ew @ 20/1 paid €50. Pity it hadn't won.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 25, 2008, 04:24:20 PM
Great stuff again Lecale.

Lough Beg should oblige tonight.  :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 25, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: Homer on January 25, 2008, 04:24:20 PM
Great stuff again Lecale.

Lough Beg should oblige tonight.  :-X

Won at 4/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on January 25, 2008, 09:14:16 PM
Welll done men, stuck the winnings on the nose from Lecales tip on Homers at 9/2. Why thank you P Power!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on January 25, 2008, 11:05:05 PM
Good suff lads! Keep them coming. I backed Lough Beg @ 5s earlier.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 25, 2008, 11:27:31 PM
It's always good to have a day like that, especially after some lad's been blabbering on about how big of fools we all are on another thread.

Now go and buy yourselves a right few pints over the weekend rather than squander the whole lot. :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 26, 2008, 12:37:28 AM
www.coral.co.uk/carlsberg

£25 free bet once you wager a tenner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2008, 09:18:15 AM
well done homer got him at 5's as well , no matter what the rest of them say i allways have faith in you ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 26, 2008, 01:55:04 PM
I got on at 5s too Homer. Well done!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on January 26, 2008, 02:07:11 PM
Yankee for today

cheltenham
2.10 patman du chamin
2.40 neptune collenge
3.15 franhenok
3.50 Inglis drever

I need this one...lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Blacksheep on January 26, 2008, 10:57:02 PM
N E luck?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on January 27, 2008, 10:45:57 AM
Quote from: Blacksheep on January 26, 2008, 10:57:02 PM
N E luck?

Last 2 won....
Pat man du chamin seemed to be going well but found nothing and dropped away tamely.
Neptune collogne was going very well but hit the 2nd out and fell away..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on January 27, 2008, 12:51:42 PM
What happened to you NAP yesterday Deel  ???

Was going to put up a couple of selections myself yesterday, didn't have the time, thank God, bombed yesterday!!

Going for a Leopardstown Yankee myself today
1.20 callherwhatyoulike
1.50 scotsirish
2.55 hardy
3.30 siegemaster
Just personal fancies, some days they hit and some days they miss
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 29, 2008, 10:01:39 AM
Hora and Be Free today at Sedgefield - Mark Prescott double...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on January 29, 2008, 02:06:36 PM
lads hits only jude is running again at 2.30 at southwell today. a short price but won by ten lengths last time out!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 29, 2008, 02:51:55 PM
good man tommy! 8/13 winner :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sky Blue on January 30, 2008, 02:49:35 PM
Any tips or fancies lads? I can't pick my nose this week!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 31, 2008, 03:15:16 AM
How come there are no exotic bets(tri and super) like they have here in the states?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 08:56:27 AM
I think there is the equivalent of a trifecta. I know you can do exactas, forecasts and reverse forecasts.

Is the Super a 1,2,3,4 thing?

Just checked, the trifecta is called a tricast over here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on January 31, 2008, 10:41:29 AM
You also have the trio bet on the tote here
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 31, 2008, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 08:56:27 AM
I think there is the equivalent of a trifecta. I know you can do exactas, forecasts and reverse forecasts.

Is the Super a 1,2,3,4 thing?

Just checked, the trifecta is called a tricast over here.

Yes the tri is 123 and the super is 1234 and you can box them if you want to. Did a .10 super box (total cost 2.40) took the two favs and the two long shots. The two longshots hit 1 2 then the favs -  paid off at 1600.00 not to shabby for 2.40 and then a new set off custom Pings  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 02, 2008, 03:00:49 PM
Another Rum 15.30 Doncaster. May be worth a small EW wager. 25/1 in a big handicap.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on February 02, 2008, 03:13:44 PM
I'll venture €5 EW just for the interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 02, 2008, 03:15:35 PM
waiting on word on Michaels Boy at Lingfield today, was over for his first run in kempton 2 weeks ago, when he was held up to finish 3rd. will post any news later.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 02, 2008, 11:14:35 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on February 02, 2008, 03:15:35 PM
waiting on word on Michaels Boy at Lingfield today, was over for his first run in kempton 2 weeks ago, when he was held up to finish 3rd. will post any news later.

3rd again today despite going a grade up, this horse will win races - watch for his next run possibly within the next two / three weeks..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 06, 2008, 07:46:44 PM
Manilou is out at the weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Diet Coke on February 06, 2008, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 06, 2008, 07:46:44 PM
Manilou is out at the weekend.

Barry?     he'll probably win by a nose :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SDarbs on February 09, 2008, 11:19:22 AM
Any word on how he is expected to run?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on February 09, 2008, 04:21:53 PM
Prefers to run without a jockey
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SDarbs on February 09, 2008, 07:11:43 PM
So I see. Jockey looked impressed walking in again... Oh well there is always big zeb tomorrow!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on February 14, 2008, 02:24:02 PM
Just bringing this thread back to the first fence in case anyone has tips for Cheltenham, things are beginning to hot up now.

Just as a matter of interest, as regards Manilou, he was never expected to win his last three races and I thought that was understood but would have been due to have landed one in two weeks time at about 20/1.  Manilou was rated at 121 by the IRB Handicapper which by all standards put him outside of the donkey class.  I can't understand how when a tip comes up for a horse and it wins at 14/1 (twice) that ye expect the same horse to win every time, or, as suggested the jockey to be on the podium at the end of every race.

In any event, Manilou is no more after breaking a bone in his leg after landing badly on Saturday so that is the end of that - and him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 14, 2008, 02:59:28 PM
Saddened to hear that Bud, I for one only backed him the few times you gave him the nod and one of those outings involved a nice return so overall I can't say the horse owes me anything.

RIP Manilou
Title: How a gambling addict lost £2.1m
Post by: full back on February 14, 2008, 03:05:18 PM
How a gambling addict lost £2.1m 
By Danny Savage
BBC News 


 
Mr Calvert placed up to 20 bets a day at £30,000 a punt


Graham Calvert 

A man is suing William Hill for more than £2m, money he lost gambling after asking the bookmaker not to let him bet again.

At just 28 years old, Graham Calvert has achieved a great deal. He built his reputation as a greyhound trainer and became one of the best in Britain.

It was a job which earned him up to £30,000 a month and he built up savings of nearly £700,000.

He was even chosen to train dogs for international competitions and his reputation should have ensured a prosperous future.

But it has all been ruined by his gambling habit which has cost him his career, family life and business.

Run an internet search for the words "Ryder Cup punter" and one of the first items which appears is a story about a gambler who in 2006 placed £347,000 on America to win the Ryder Cup.

At the time it was the biggest golf bet in history and, if successful, would have returned £753,000.

But the downside for the punter was that America lost and the big problem for Graham Calvert, from Wearside, is that he was the punter. That, though, was just a fraction of his losses.

Moments of clarity

He began gambling at the end of 2005 and it wasn't just the odd fiver on the horses.

He says he didn't get a buzz out of bets of tens or hundreds of pounds. He wanted to gamble thousands.

At one stage he placed up to 20 bets a day at £30,000 a punt. But, by his own admission, in what he describes as "rare moments of clarity", he realised it was all getting out of hand and so excluded himself from a number of bookmakers.

Some of them wouldn't let him bet again while others only allowed him maximum bets of a few hundred pounds. But Mr Calvert was a big time gambler so he went in search of other bookmakers to take on his bets.

So, in May 2006, he opened an account with William Hill - one of the best known bookies in the UK.

He says up until that point he had been reluctant to gamble with them because they owned the track where he raced his dogs.

After placing some big bets he closed that account after just a few days, although he chose to re-open it two weeks later.

About a week later, after more bets totalling nearly £300,000 pounds, he closed it again and this is when he was offered what's known as "self exclusion".

This, his lawyers say, is a facility provided by bookmakers to help gambling addicts break free of their addiction.

'Account closed'

The BBC has obtained a transcript of the conversation between Mr Calvert and a team leader at William Hill.

J: "Hi Mr Calvert , you're through to John, team leader here. I understand you want to close the account?"

GC: "Yes please, yeah."

J : "Can you tell me why that is please?"

GC: "'Cos it's just far too easy to gamble."

J: "Right, so do you want to be self-excluded at this point then? Which means you will not be able to open the account with us again within the next six months?"

GC: "That's right, aye."


Graham Calvert is claiming William Hill was negligent

J: "Right, well, what I'll do is I'll pass on all the relevant information."

GC: "Right."

J: "The account will now be closed, you will not be able to open it within the next six months."

After a discussion about returning the remaining funds in the account to Mr Calvert, he's told by J: "But the money will be returned to your account and the account will now be closed for the next six months.

"You will not be allowed to open it under any circumstances. You will not be allowed to bet over the phone with William Hill."

But two months later, Mr Calvert did start betting with William Hill again by opening a new account in his own name.

Sacks of cash

It was through this account that he placed the huge bet on the Ryder Cup.

His downward spiral continued and ended up going into William Hill branches with sacks full of cash, using up all his savings and borrowing more than £1m from business associates.

By the time he stopped gambling with William Hill he had made a net loss of just under £2.1m, the amount he is now claiming against them in a High Court case due to start next week.

Regardless of Mr Calvert's big time gambling past his legal team claim that William Hill were negligent in allowing him to continue to gamble after agreeing that he would be self-excluded and that they should be held responsible for the consequences.

But of course there are two sides to the story. William Hill are strongly contesting the claims.

They argue that any individual choosing to place a bet does so as a matter of their own voluntary choice.

The case is likely to take a long look at the issue of duty of care. Where does the responsibility of both the gambler and the bookmaker start and finish?

It will be for the court to establish exactly how and why Mr Calvert resumed betting and whether William Hill can be held legally liable for his behaviour.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7243656.stm




How can soemone blame the bookmaker?


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on February 14, 2008, 08:31:44 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on February 14, 2008, 02:24:02 PM
  I can't understand how when a tip comes up for a horse and it wins at 14/1 (twice) that ye expect the same horse to win every time, or, as suggested the jockey to be on the podium at the end of every race.

In any event, Manilou is no more after breaking a bone in his leg after landing badly on Saturday so that is the end of that - and him.

Damn sorry to hear that, I had no expectations Bud,  I just got used to looking for Manilou and as you and Homer pointed out owed me nothing after Kilbeggan I think last summer. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on February 14, 2008, 08:58:55 PM
You never win in the end.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SouthArmaghBandit on February 15, 2008, 11:28:19 AM
Sorry to hear about Manilou Bud. That horse owed us nothing after the couple of wins last season.

Anything for Cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 15, 2008, 11:33:17 AM
Im doing my festival bet this weekend. Going to do a £10 yankee. My 4 selections are
trimuph hurdle - francheok
gold cup - kauto star
world hurdle - inglis drever
champion hurdle - sublimity

What do yous think of the chances in succeeding with this bet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SDarbs on February 16, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
If you've a spare fiver, you could do worse than Angels Share at Gowran this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on February 16, 2008, 02:19:31 PM
Had a £ 1 yankee there

Backboard won 11/2
Tizbar won 5/4
witicha line man.......well beat


Waiting on Kauto Star for about £50

Nice to get a return anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SouthArmaghBandit on February 16, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: SDarbs on February 16, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
If you've a spare fiver, you could do worse than Angels Share at Gowran this afternoon.

How did it do?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 16, 2008, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: SouthArmaghBandit on February 16, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: SDarbs on February 16, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
If you've a spare fiver, you could do worse than Angels Share at Gowran this afternoon.

How did it do?

finished 14th SAB
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SDarbs on February 16, 2008, 07:22:11 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 16, 2008, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: SouthArmaghBandit on February 16, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: SDarbs on February 16, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
If you've a spare fiver, you could do worse than Angels Share at Gowran this afternoon.

How did it do?

finished 14th SAB

Sorry lads, hopefully none of you had a spare fiver.  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 18, 2008, 12:14:07 PM
Just imagine the betting in-running...

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zunP-Aez4IQ (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zunP-Aez4IQ)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on February 18, 2008, 02:45:17 PM
Very Good Homer

Derek Thoompson just had to be the commentator on this one


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=i9f1m_PKfA0&NR=1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 19, 2008, 10:40:39 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on February 18, 2008, 02:45:17 PM
Very Good Homer

Derek Thoompson just had to be the commentator on this one


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=i9f1m_PKfA0&NR=1

Jesus that Thommo's a twat

Incidentally the Southwell race below is the one where a guy backed McCoy's horse (not knowing it fell) with four quid at 999/1. Serves the layer right

Most will remember this one.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN4lgGm2zeg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN4lgGm2zeg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 19, 2008, 11:33:26 AM
QuoteJesus that Thommo's a twat

What is it with Channel 4? Thompson's bad, but what's their excuse for the inexcusable McCririck?

There are some good ones on YouTube - follow other the links in the pages linked above.

On the other hand, there's  this  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGE_fMuogKA&feature=related). It has to be one of the most ludicrous pieces of "animal rights" lunacy ever. One interesting observation - they use multiple clips of horses falling to illustrate the "cruelty" of racing. In each case, a jockey fell as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on February 21, 2008, 11:27:57 PM
Quote from: Homer on February 19, 2008, 10:40:39 AM
Most will remember this one.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN4lgGm2zeg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN4lgGm2zeg)

I was there that day, it fairly lit the place up when it happened!! It was a very stupid mistaken, but Loughran was still young at the time and Dessie handled it well by standing by him.

Quote from: Hardy on February 19, 2008, 11:33:26 AM
QuoteJesus that Thommo's a twat

What is it with Channel 4? Thompson's bad, but what's their excuse for the inexcusable McCririck?

I actually don't mind them, would never listen to any of their tips, they are brutal. I don't know how Thompson can justify having a tipping line!
Mc Grath and Francome are the by far the best to listen to. Francome's chairty bet last week was Miko de Beauchene, won at a decent price
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on February 23, 2008, 09:08:50 PM
I see O'Donavan Rossa is out tomorrow at Naas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on February 26, 2008, 02:14:16 PM
For anyone who fancies losing a few pound, tip for

Copper Bay 4.50@ Leic
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on February 26, 2008, 04:27:37 PM
Non runner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on February 27, 2008, 09:56:17 AM
Great piece on johnny Murtagh in Todays times:
Legend in the saddle with all-round passion

SPORTING PASSIONS - JOHNNY MURTAGH : The jockey talks about his abiding love of soccer and the Meath Gaelic football team.

"I WAS always into football because I'm from Meath, which is a big GAA county. I didn't play much soccer but I grew up a Manchester United supporter. We always had games of soccer in the schoolyard and 20 minutes before training would start we'd always be kicking around playing soccer.

"I thought maybe I might play for Meath someday but I had an auntie in Blackburn so when I was about 14 I thought if I decided to go there I'd try to get an apprenticeship. There was nothing set up but I loved soccer, I loved watching it on TV and I thought 'maybe it's the thing for me'.

"In the end, I went to the apprentice school in Kildare for the racing. I got into the atmosphere down there and I knew it was for me. I got a 10-month course and continued from there.

"But I'm still a big Man United fan. One of my greatest thrills was riding Rock Of Gibraltar to win the Guineas for Alex Ferguson. I got to know him and I still speak to him. He loves racing but I'd say you'd want to do what he tells you.

"You can see the way he gets the team going and gets them motivated. What he's done at Man United, he's built it up, the training centre and everything around him. Even the way he speaks to the young players, he knows them all by their first name and he gets very involved with them.

"I haven't been going to many games but I love the atmosphere and I love going over to Old Trafford. The Premiership, the way it is at the moment, it's so big. I often look back and say 'wouldn't it be great to be part of it?' but I think I have to be quite happy with how my own career has gone.

"I play for Kildare Town in the off-season so I enjoy that. I try to keep myself fit and I like to give my best. I like to be a winner whether I'm playing a five-a-side, playing for Kildare Town or riding in the Derby.

"I started off boxing then when I was about 12 and I did it for three years. I won the Meath title three times, I won two Leinster titles and I won the All-Ireland. I boxed for Navan Boxing Club and I loved it.

"We had a good bunch of lads at that time. I remember we went to the Leinster Championships in Arklow one year and we had seven guys fighting, four or five in the final and three winners. I went on and won the Irish title that same year.

"I loved the training, I loved the competing and it's another sport I watch now with added interest. I was boxing at 45 kilos. I was a southpaw so I didn't like getting hit, I was kind of in and out.

"When I was starting off and the first round went by, my trainer was always enthusiastic, saying 'You're going great. He didn't lay a glove on you.'

"And the second round I went out and got the head boxed off myself again and the trainer was going again 'Jeez Johnny you're doing great, he didn't lay a glove on you - you're flying!' And I just said to him 'keep an eye on the ref 'cause someone's hitting me'.

"My trainer always said I'd make the Olympics. This was 1985 and he told me I could make the Olympics in 1988 but then I got the opportunity to come down to the Curragh.

"My favourite now is the boy from the Philippines, Manny Pacquiao. The heavyweights used to be the big thing but the gloss seems to have gone off that. A big favourite of mine would have been Sugar Ray Leonard. Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran - they were fights that you'd be waiting for and they'd never seem to let you down. They were just the golden era I suppose.

"But there are some great fighters out there. The thing about it is that they do so much talking beforehand. What I like about it is you can't run away and you can't hide. It's just you, another guy and the ref in there.

"So I enjoyed it. It was great for any young lad, especially the training. You know you meet these hardy lads out on the street and they're all mouth. But when you get into the ring, they can't mouth any more. For myself it was good discipline as well. You wouldn't be quick to lose your temper because if you did, that only led to one thing and that was getting a real hiding."

Johnny Murtagh is a flat jockey and recently landed the biggest job in racing - number one rider to Aidan O'Brien and the Coolmore operation.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on February 27, 2008, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 26, 2008, 02:14:16 PM
For anyone who fancies losing a few pound, tip for

Copper Bay 4.50@ Leic
Seems it was pulled, price/value went.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on February 27, 2008, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: Declan on February 27, 2008, 09:56:17 AM
"When I was starting off and the first round went by, my trainer was always enthusiastic, saying 'You're going great. He didn't lay a glove on you.'
"And the second round I went out and got the head boxed off myself again and the trainer was going again 'Jeez Johnny you're doing great, he didn't lay a glove on you - you're flying!' And I just said to him 'keep an eye on the ref 'cause someone's hitting me'.

;D

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 06, 2008, 11:36:32 AM
Kicking King is out of the Festival as well. Taffe wasn't impressed with him yesterday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 06, 2008, 12:03:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 06, 2008, 11:36:32 AM
Kicking King is out of the Festival as well. Taffe wasn't impressed with him yesterday.

Pity, but better than seeing him well beaten I suppose   :(  They say they'll probably run him in Punchestown.

Can't wait for next week  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 06, 2008, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 26, 2008, 02:14:16 PM
For anyone who fancies losing a few pound, tip for

Copper Bay 4.50@ Leic

runs today at Lingfield
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 07, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
Some word for Chuinn Mhuire (EW) in the last at Dundalk tonight if any of ye feel like a bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 07, 2008, 02:30:03 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 07, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
Some word for Chuinn Mhuire (EW) in the last at Dundalk tonight if any of ye feel like a bet.

What odds would he be homer , i'll probably throw a sheckle or two on him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 07, 2008, 02:34:46 PM
10s with William Hill and Ladbrokes, 9s with Paddys and 8s with Boyles and elsewhere.

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/dundalk/21:40 (http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/dundalk/21:40)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 10, 2008, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Homer on March 07, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
Some word for Chuinn Mhuire (EW) in the last at Dundalk tonight if any of ye feel like a bet.

Apologies to anyone who had a punt on that one, poor effort.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: High Catch on March 10, 2008, 11:56:40 AM
There seems to be a trend lately (or maybe its always been there), that a horse on the all weather is backed in early morning but then its price levels out and the horse runs a shocker.

Is this just bookies tricks?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 10, 2008, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: High Catch on March 10, 2008, 11:56:40 AM
There seems to be a trend lately (or maybe its always been there), that a horse on the all weather is backed in early morning but then its price levels out and the horse runs a shocker.

Is this just bookies tricks?

Sometimes the yard itself leaves it a bit late to have a punt and when they finally attempt to, they find that the value is long gone and so they decide to just send the horse out for a jog and hold off the big run for the next time.

It happens all to often that I have been looking through the results and spotted winners I'd been tipped on recent outings. These horses are usually followed by a comment like "found something extra today"  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: longball on March 15, 2008, 03:33:43 PM
anybody any tips for 2day?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 15, 2008, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: longball on March 15, 2008, 03:33:43 PM
anybody any tips for 2day?

Hold on to your money longball its been a long week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Fermanaghandsam on March 23, 2008, 09:26:49 PM
Whos everyone betting on in the national to-morrow?

Any Tips
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 25, 2008, 02:20:36 PM
Got a word about Blueberry Boy in 2.45 at Fairyhouse. EW.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 25, 2008, 02:41:35 PM
Going to invest in Nina Carbury again in the last
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 25, 2008, 03:02:14 PM
Hopefully that was too late for anyone to waste their dosh on. If not - sorry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 26, 2008, 09:15:42 AM
Was about to bin my unsuccessful dockets from yesterday when I noticed written on the bottom - "Money Back All Fallers at Fairyhouse" . I'm informed that one of my nags did fall so I assume I can go back into the PP shop today and recover my stake? Anyone else have this happen to them or am I missing something. Seems too good to be true...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 26, 2008, 09:29:16 AM
According to the official result Alexander Taipan was the only faller

http://www.irish-racing.com/v4result088200803241555.htm

I know that VC were doing an offer like that so no reason why PP were not doing the same on such a big race. PP and Boyles normally have specials for the big races.

It is certainly worth checking out Seanie
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 26, 2008, 09:37:09 AM
I got money back after backing your 'tip' ;) yesterday Seanie, but I backed him each way, so I only got back the winning stake. Still better than nothing. I put €10 e/w on it, and I got back €10.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 26, 2008, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on March 26, 2008, 09:29:16 AM
According to the official result Alexander Taipan was the only faller

http://www.irish-racing.com/v4result088200803241555.htm

I know that VC were doing an offer like that so no reason why PP were not doing the same on such a big race. PP and Boyles normally have specials for the big races.

It is certainly worth checking out Seanie

LE, this was yesterday, PP had it for all races at fairyhouse yesterday too, not just the National on Monday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 26, 2008, 09:42:50 AM
From the racingpost


"Nina Carberry, arguably, produced the ride of the meeting when getting JAQUOUILLE up in the dying stride to deny a gallant outsider with only a length and a half separating the first-five home. The winner, a faller four out in a similar event at Leopardstown, had a previous course win to his credit as a novice. He was produced wide by his rider and stayed on relishing every yard of this trip. Arthur Moore intends bringing the 11-year-old to Punchestown next month and longer term he might consider theFoxhunters at Cheltenham next year."

fair play to you girl  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on March 26, 2008, 11:29:57 AM
your right........pulled me out of a hole for the second day in a row!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 26, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
She has some record in the bumpers, seems to get every last ounce out of the horse.  When she's riding a bumper it's like a money back service for the rest of the day!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 26, 2008, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on March 26, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
She has some record in the bumpers, seems to get every last ounce out of the horse.  When she's riding a bumper it's like a money back service for the rest of the day!

I actually started a system earlier this year that basically involved following Nina's rides in bumpers, it was showing some promise for a while but I was forced to abandon ship due to Noel Meade's unprecedented bad run. Might start paper trading for a while before possibly giving it another chance.

(EDIT - Who's John Meade  :-[)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 26, 2008, 03:49:50 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 26, 2008, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on March 26, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
She has some record in the bumpers, seems to get every last ounce out of the horse.  When she's riding a bumper it's like a money back service for the rest of the day!

I actually started a system earlier this year that basically involved following Nina's rides in bumpers, it was showing some promise for a while but I was forced to abandon ship due to John Meade's unprecedented bad run. Might start paper trading for a while before possibly giving it another chance.

I'd say it was thanks to Noel Meade's recent run of bad luck that Pandorama was a half decent price on Monday.   The bookies didn't take the same chance with Jered yesterday though unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 26, 2008, 05:04:04 PM
Lads i backed 5th place in the Irish National (25/1 so done it each way) i ripped up the docket as i was always under the impression that only first 4 places are paid out. However, some guys were telling me that bookies pay out on 5th on the National is there any truth in it or does it depend who the bookie is????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 26, 2008, 05:10:54 PM
Ye i got paid out on 5th place last year can't remember what bookie it was though illdecide
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 26, 2008, 05:24:36 PM
Some bookies definitely paid out on 5 places alright but not all. For instance Ladbrokes shops paid out on 5 places but they only paid out on 4 places on bets done online.

As regards where you stand now, I'm not too sure but there's no harm in checking if they did in fact pay the 5 places and if so you might as well chance your arm rewriting a new docket and telling them you lost the original.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on March 27, 2008, 10:25:55 AM
To cliam your winnings you do not have to have the docket.  You can go to the bookmaker and tell him what day you placed the bet.  They will probably ask you to rewrite it and if it matches will pay you.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 27, 2008, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 26, 2008, 05:04:04 PM
Lads i backed 5th place in the Irish National (25/1 so done it each way) i ripped up the docket as i was always under the impression that only first 4 places are paid out. However, some guys were telling me that bookies pay out on 5th on the National is there any truth in it or does it depend who the bookie is????

Which bookie was it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 27, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on March 27, 2008, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 26, 2008, 05:04:04 PM
Lads i backed 5th place in the Irish National (25/1 so done it each way) i ripped up the docket as i was always under the impression that only first 4 places are paid out. However, some guys were telling me that bookies pay out on 5th on the National is there any truth in it or does it depend who the bookie is????

Which bookie was it?


"Frenche's Bookies in Lurgan. Just found out there that he will not be paying out on 5th place but other bookies in the town did. I thought he might have even returned the stake >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 27, 2008, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 27, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on March 27, 2008, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 26, 2008, 05:04:04 PM
Lads i backed 5th place in the Irish National (25/1 so done it each way) i ripped up the docket as i was always under the impression that only first 4 places are paid out. However, some guys were telling me that bookies pay out on 5th on the National is there any truth in it or does it depend who the bookie is????

Which bookie was it?


"Frenche's Bookies in Lurgan. Just found out there that he will not be paying out on 5th place but other bookies in the town did. I thought he might have even returned the stake >:(

With a handicap of 16 runners or more the normal with all bookies is to 1/4 the odds e/w on the first four. Paying 5 places is just something that some of the larger firms have brought is an incentive for big races like the nationals. There may be some firms paying first 6 on the english national!! so it is always worth a wee look at oddschecker.com before doing any bets in the big races to see what specials there are
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 27, 2008, 02:05:04 PM
Big tip round Armagh for Hunter Tower 2.35 at Thurles
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Nimbus on March 27, 2008, 02:38:09 PM
It fell.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 27, 2008, 02:42:40 PM
I see Grangeclare Gold has just moved into 2/1 favourite in the bumper in Thurles due to a change of jockey, you'll never guess who's on board now  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 27, 2008, 02:48:14 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 27, 2008, 02:42:40 PM
I see Grangeclare Gold has just moved into 2/1 favourite in the bumper in Thurles due to a change of jockey, you'll never guess who's on board now  ;)

who homer who is it tmc
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 27, 2008, 02:48:43 PM
I'd say it's Nina. :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 27, 2008, 02:50:07 PM
Ye i think your right Az thought about it after i posted :-[ :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on March 27, 2008, 02:59:21 PM
Is Hardy still about?  Haven't seen any posts from him in a while.  Anyone remember the research he did on the English grand National Last year, that was brillant.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 27, 2008, 03:01:25 PM
That's right. Come on Hardy give us the first 4 out of 5 again!!! :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 27, 2008, 03:04:31 PM
that was unreal by hardy i made a nice few quid that day as i had money on all of them, this year i'm expecting him to tell us what fences the horses are going to fall on as well as the winners ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on March 27, 2008, 03:14:03 PM
Would it still be on the thread ?

Is hardy still about anyway?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 27, 2008, 03:17:08 PM
Ye hardy is about c4ever posted there at 2 o clock
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on March 27, 2008, 03:23:50 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 27, 2008, 03:17:08 PM
Ye hardy is about c4ever posted there at 2 o clock

Good hope he does it again this year !!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 27, 2008, 03:26:26 PM
He is probably working on it, aren't you hardy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 27, 2008, 05:05:58 PM
That was top class last year. For an infrequent gambler I've made a fair few bob on the back of one or two of the lads giving great tips here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on March 27, 2008, 06:35:41 PM
Canary Islands 3.40 Lingfield (Friday) to win.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 27, 2008, 07:56:22 PM
No pressure then lads, expecting a repeat of last year. I haven't studied the National field yet - waiting for the final declarations so that I'm not wasting my time checking the form/history of non-runners.

I hope to have my short list next week. The trouble is, I booked a trip to Spain, forgetting the National was on, so I'll be a bit pushed for time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on March 28, 2008, 08:10:43 AM
Good stufff Hardy!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 28, 2008, 12:41:53 PM
Did Nina win the Bumper
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 28, 2008, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 28, 2008, 12:41:53 PM
Did Nina win the Bumper

No. 12th of 18.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 28, 2008, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: gaa.boy on March 27, 2008, 06:35:41 PM
Canary Islands 3.40 Lingfield (Friday) to win.  ;)

Odds on with some firms at present
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 28, 2008, 03:56:12 PM
Apparently this site has picked the winner for the past 7 years.

http://www.grand-national-guide.co.uk/result.php
Title: National
Post by: bcarrier on March 28, 2008, 03:58:12 PM
Nicked from Allister at neigh ...a good trends analysis.

I think this year will be the hardest ever in which to apply a trends analysis to the big race and I have to say right at he outset that unlike other years, there is no 'absolute' qualifier anyway. Well, not yet at least. Last year Silver Birch did the analysis proud, despite not looking an obvious candidate, but this year I can see one of the 'big trends' going and something I have not considered going in. Still, I hope that what follows here helps some of you shorten your shortlists even further and I definitely hope it will spark some healthy debate.

Best to start with the annual trawl through the trends themselves. I still think that you can be too prescriptive about these, so I'm going to allow leeway here and there (no qualifiers otherwise) and perhaps try and suggest likely trend-breakers.

1. AGE - No runner aged seven or younger has triumphed since 1940, and none older than 12 has even placed since 1969. Stick between the ages of 8 and 12.

2. A WIN OVER AT LEAST 3M - Again, it's been a very long time since the winner has failed to win over at least 3 miles prior to this and this is one trend that I think it would be unwise to ignore. One day, some untried type may come storming home, but I won't be collecting on the winner that day.

3. WEIGHT - Not impossible to win from out of the handicap but that certainly won't be an issue this time. Only 14 since the war have hauled over 11st round and last year's places were all filled with sub-11st runners. Frankly, if there was a year when this was to be broken completely, you'd have to give this year a squeak because the quality most definitely has risen to the top. Phil Smith has attempted to get as many into the handicap as possible, but has compressed the weights so tightly that it's quite possible that something near the head of the weights might run very well. I'm not keen to get involved with any runner carrying more than 11-1 simply because the pace of this event has increased as the fences have become easier and it's a big ask to run with the choke out under a large weight.

4. NOVICES – Wouldn't have considered backing a novice or second-season chaser until Numbersixvalverde won, but if they have won a respected handicap chase from a big field, then they could win this too. If they haven't, then historically they shouldn't win this.

5. CLASS 1 WIN AT LEAST - 13 of the last 14 winners won a Class 1 race at some stage prior to running in the National. The one who didn't was Lord Gyllene, who won the Uttoxeter National Trial which is of course now a Class 1 race.

6. HUNTERS – As most of these have failed to satisfy the previous trend, I don't give them much chance. They are not used to this type of race and haven't got the class to win a top handicap.

7. PREVIOUSLY FINISHED, BUT UNPLACED IN THE NATIONAL - Any decent jumper could make it round in their own time, but only those that can do it at pace stand a chance of winning. I know someone previously pointed out a winner who'd previously run unplaced on the old Neigh, but I can't remember who it was or when and I won't be backing any who fit this profile. Falling or unseating has no such stigma attached.

8. ABILITY TO HANDLE A BIG FIELD – The last 14 winners at least had all previously won a chase with at least 12 runners and that is a good point to make your cut-off. The horse has to be able to go for its gap confidently and keeping up the momentum is pretty vital.

9. PLACED AT LEAST THIS SEASON – The last 20 winners of this all had at least one placed run under their belt the same season. Thirteen of that twenty won, but they're mostly confined to pre-2000 renewals and only three since then have. Only three Irish runners failed to place in a chase of some description that season, namely Bobbyjo, Pappillon and Numbersixvalverde, but all three either won or were placed in a hurdles race. I would ignore any runner that has not at least placed in a NH race over some kind of obstacles other than in hunter chases during the current campaign.

There are some other 'trends' that are contentious, but are certainly worthy of consideration, not least because they have in the past steered me away from some costly bets.

10. BLINKERS – Only Earth Summit has won with headgear in the last 20 years. I really don't know what to make of this statistic, but it scuppers my ideas of the winner this year, as you'll see below. I think this trend more than any other is open to interpretation and it doesn't necessarily preclude a runner from victory, although you'd hate to think your money was riding on a horse that really didn't fancy it.

11. WHITBREAD GOLD CUP AND SANDOWN - Of the last 14 National winners, only two had ever contested a chase at Sandown prior to this, and they finished unplaced and pulled-up. No horse has ever won the National AFTER wining the Whitbread. Again, this seems a bizarre statistic; why have so many trainers simply avoided running at Sandown prior to winning this?

12. MINIMUM OF 4 RUNS THIS SEASON - I'm not convinced about this one, but the last 12 winners had all achieved this, so it's worth looking at if you can't whittle enough with the rest of the trends. This was starting to worry me about Parsons Legacy, but he's now a non-runner anyway. Miinehoma was the last one to have less than four runs that season.

13. RAN WITHIN 42 DAYS OF THE BIG RACE – 19 of the last 20 managed this and only Hedgehunter won from outside this pattern, taking a 49-day holiday before the big one. I suppose the conclusion is that the horse is well and will be race-fit if we have seen it recently. People often don't want to back runners that have competed at Cheltenham but Silver Birch turned this over last year and Hedgehunter was second in the Gold Cup before running second here to Numbersixvalverde. Perhaps this year carries a warning in that so many were strung out at the end of races at the Festival. The ground was slower than normal and perhaps those who ran there will be feeling the ill effects of hard races if they line up in any event at Aintree during National week.

14. FRENCH BREDS – No winners in this race have been bred in France. I tried to make a case for it last year and drew another blank from that particular avenue. Looking at this year's field doesn't inspire me that one will, but Butler's Cabin would be the obvious candidate if it weren't for his weight.


I've done a little bit of digging and would like to say the following about the following:


HEDGEHUNTER (IRE) - Perennial campaigner in this race, but with the years now catching up, despite that good show last time in Ireland, it would be asking an awful lot for him to shoulder this kind of weight.

MR POINTMENT (IRE) – An advert for not running in The Becher after he was lumped with what is realistically a stopping weight. There's no doubting his class for this event and his liking for these fences, but you'd have to think he's likely to get a little tired with his running style and this burden. He may be the one for those of you looking for the weight trend to be broken, but not for me.

OLLIE MAGERN – An admirable and much-loved character who will undoubtedly try to go from the front in this. There'll certainly be no hanging around, but you can't help thinking that this is a decision based on a career on the down slope. Certainly this weight makes him unappealing as a trends selection.

SIMON – I must say I'm bemused by this one's campaign. You'd think after running a blinder last year, connections would have done something to ensure his handicap mark was a little more protected. In fact he's been competitive in more than one race this season and, as he's not over big, asking him to shoulder this weight round this course is too much in my opinion.

BUTLER'S CABIN (FR) – Would have to overcome the fact that he was bred in France, but his win in the Irish Grand National and at Cheltenham last season marks him out as a smart stayer. His handler seems to know his capabilities very well as he managed that win in Ireland just a handful of weeks after virtually collapsing at Cheltenham. Frankly, I'm more worried about the erratic form of his stable than his trends profile, but he will find his allotted weight tough in what looks a very open and hard-to-fathom race.

SLIM PICKINGS (IRE) – Certainly a danger to all based on his run last year, but based on his profile this season he should not win. For a start, he's been asked to carry more weight and that comes off the back of a season where he's done nil over fences. Had run over fences six times by this stage last season and fiddling about over hurdles hasn't set him any easier a task in this renewal. Still hasn't beaten more than six others in a chase.

CHELSEA HARBOUR (IRE) – Just edged over the cusp of what is acceptable in terms of weight and was a novice last year. What he has done is beat a field of at least twelve in a chase and that has been the one factor that negated the seeming inexperience of second season chasers in this. I'd be interested if he runs, but he wouldn't be a confident selection.

SNOWY MORNING (IRE) – People were quick to crab his chance after what seemed a very disappointing run in Ireland last time, but from a trends point of view, his profile would be largely unattractive as he was a novice last year and has failed to beat a field of twelve.

ALEXANDER TAIPAN (IRE) – I know I included this one when the weights were published, but I have very little inkling as to why. I doubt he'll run, but if he does, I doubt he'll win.

BEWLEYS BERRY (IRE) – Will undoubtedly be a popular choice given a bold show last year, but has plenty of weight considering the fact that he hasn't won a Class 1 chase. The stable had a great Cheltenham Festival but I think from a trends point of view, he's readily dismissed.

MCKELVEY (IRE) – Is bound to be a popular choice following a brave second last year when seemingly injuring himself in the race. The fact that he wears blinkers is somewhat contentious stats negative but more alarmingly, Peter Bowen has only been able to get two runs over hurdles into him and he managed only eighth and unplaced. Considering the last twenty winners of this at least placed in the same season that has to be a huge negative.

POINT BARROW (IRE) – Went off favourite last year and has again made the trends shortlist. The wearing of blinkers would be seen as a negative in the context of statistical trends, but left off he would be a clear qualifier. Has had a largely disappointing season and looked tremendously one-paced on more than one occasion, but I was reminded of last year when comments about lack of speed were thrown Silver Birch's way. It's often best to ignore the visual impression created in three-mile sprints round Haydock and remember this is a unique event. Has a chance, but would be high enough in the weights all the same.

D'ARGENT (IRE) – Might carry some novelty money considering his colour, but is actually a fairly strong trends runner but for the fact that he normally wears blinkers. I'm unsure as to why he's been left in at this late stage because King has stated clearly at least twice that he doesn't consider this one an Aintree type, whatever that is. Personally, I think he has a fine chance if lining up, but I would be much happier if they left the headgear off. Certainly, he's currently at an ante post price that would encourage a smallish wager if interested.

CLOUDY LANE – I almost pressed the button in the autumn when I first started looking at he race and am now hoping I don't regret not doing it. He will surely start as favourite after what seems a perfect preparation for the race. However, he has not managed a Class 1 win and this is something shared by winners of the race for a quite some time now. In addition, coming off the back of three wins doesn't sit well with using previous winners as a guide.

CORNISH SETT – I really wish he could have had a recent run as that's the only thing I don't like about his profile. He wouldn't leap out as an obvious candidate but, when you trawl through his trends profile, everything bar that long layoff points towards a very good chance in this. His finest hour was undoubtedly The Vodafone Chase two seasons ago and he ran well enough in last term's RP Chase. The right age and off a fair mark, he might run well at a big price. I would certainly not put anyone off a small bet now at what are still very big odds, but I am concerned that something may have gone wrong in The Welsh National and he may not line up.

OVER THE CREEK – Normally I'd have had a line straight through this one as his novice status wrecks his chance here. However, he's not the average novice. I'd similarly disregarded Numbersixvalverde a couple of years ago, but on reflection really should have been happy to bet since he'd won a big field handicap chase. Then McKelvey ran a stormer last year too and, in a year when five-year-olds took both The Champion Chase and Champion Hurdle, to leave out a runner who has run well in big fields already might be dangerous. When you consider what Hot Weld and Butler's Cabin have subsequently done after their runs in the NH Chase at Cheltenham, then there's definitely some hope for Over The Creek here. He may go off at a much bigger price than if Comply Or Die wasn't in the race.

COMPLY OR DIE – I'd been concerned that he hadn't dealt with a big handicap field but The Eider put paid to that. The form of the race (or rather the depth of quality) has been queried recently, but there's no doubting this one has developed into the obvious trends horse for the race. His style of running will keep him up and out of trouble but I hope he doesn't get going too far out. My real concern is the application of blinkers. Earth Summit has done it, but it's not common and I'm really hoping that connections take a look at this issue and dispense with them for this race at least. Otherwise, I think he has a great chance and ticks in all the right boxes.

PATSY HALL (IRE) – Might develop into a leading fancy considering his trainer's reputation, but was a novice last year and had no more to give when pulled-up in last year's Irish National. I think a hard race at Cheltenham will have done his chances here no good at all and that in itself looked like a tired finish.

ROYAL COUNTY STAR – Favourite for the Irish equivalent at time of writing, but if Tony Martin decided to have a try in this, he would have to win The Irish National en-route before he would become a trends qualifier. Ran off 124 in The Troytown, but would be off 140 here which doesn't seem that appealing to be honest.

HOMER WELLS – Another engaged in The Irish National, but his chance here would be an obvious one if allowed to line up. By lining up at Fairyhouse he removes the only really strong negative statistic against him, which was time since last run. However a combination of a big effort there, his trainer's fitting of blinkers in his last run and the referral to a need for 'testing ground', would be enough to put me off a bet.

PHILSON RUN – Hasn't really had enough runs this year to fit into a winner's profile, but didn't last year either and still managed a staying-on fourth  at a huge price. That price won't be on offer this time around and the trainer has expressed a preference for softer ground than he's likely to get this time. In his defence, he ran a blinder behind D'Argent at Warwick, but he was outpaced whenever the winner wanted that day and you get the feeling he's going to be too slow to win here too.

OSSMOSES – It's the number of runs that puts me off this one and the fact that he's another confirmed mud lark. I don't actually think he'll line up unless there's a monsoon.

BALLYCASSIDY – 'If only' is the phrase that best applies and anyone reading the trends analysis two years ago would know why. It's unlikely that he'll get in but if he did, I'd definitely have a bet. If he'd stayed up in 2006 who knows what might have happened?

In conclusion, I think the shortlist should contain the following:
Comply Or Die, Over The Creek, D'Argent, Point Barrow and Cornish Sett

If any of these drops out (and I think D'Argent and Cornish Sett are the most likely) then the task looks a little more straightforward. I've noticed a general shortening on Comply Or Die in the last week and we may be looking at he main danger to Cloudy Lane in terms of betting by the day of the race. Strangely for this analysis, there are no clear qualifiers and I am the least confident I have ever been in trends finding the winner as all those on the shortlist have minor questions to answer. But if the blinkers come off Comply Or Die or Point Barrow, I'll be going in again.

If a 'key trend' is to go, I think it will be either Butler's Cabin or Over The Creek who does it, or it might be one of the minor trends with a blinkered runner winning for the first time in ten years.

I'm hoping those of you interested in trends (and those who dislike them) will comment on the thread and help steer us onto the winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 28, 2008, 04:08:18 PM
f**k sake,just missed that tip,Canary Island wins at 6/4. >:(
Good stuff tho all the same Gaa.Boy,any more good,uns
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 31, 2008, 10:07:15 AM
a fully comprehensive summary of the grand national carrier but it may still be down to the old pin and paper techniques. I  myself will do a bit of duching on cloudy lane and die or comply . I really fancied cloudy until his last outing when his jumping wasn't the greatest and ultimately i think this will let him down. But it could all go tits up at the first of even the chair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 31, 2008, 10:07:46 PM
Has Cloudy Lane gone too short for any value? Is his price due to people overhyping the McCain connection?

Also i see Kauto Star's running again on Thursday and Master Minded on Friday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: harlechman on March 31, 2008, 11:29:22 PM
Backed Mr Pointment on betfair tonight at 26/1 (16s generally with the bookies). If you can excuse his last run he has to have a chance despite carrying 11st 11. He was very impressive winning over the national course back in November. Cloudy is a deserving favourite but I won't be backing him at such short odds.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 01, 2008, 02:19:39 PM
oarsman - 4pm @ folkestone
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 01, 2008, 03:20:46 PM
Silver Hotspur - 4.45 Southwell.

This horse owes me nothing over past few months. tougher task today but shall be backing anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 01, 2008, 05:02:45 PM
Orsman 3rd
Silver hotspur no show
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 01, 2008, 05:33:14 PM
This is just plain wrong. :( I wish these idiots would find something better to do with their time. From the Racing Post this afternoon...

http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/news.sd?psection=racingpost.co.uk&page=News&category=Top%20Stories&story_uid=964839 (http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/news.sd?psection=racingpost.co.uk&page=News&category=Top%20Stories&story_uid=964839)

QuoteThe Grand National at Aintree, due to be run this Saturday April 5th, is in danger after some shrewd legal work by animal rights protesters.

The group known as Animal Aid had lawyers investigate the small print in the Rules and Regulations of the British Horseracing Authority. They found that the Grand National fences are against the regulations set out in Section 43, Paragraphs 16(a), 16(b) and 16(c), which lists what materials can be used to make up a fence. Strangely, spruce is not one of them and every fence on the Grand National track is at least some part spruce.

Aintree's clerk of the course Andrew Tulloch reported this morning: "Unfortunately it is true that the Grand National fences go against the stipulations set out in the BHA regulations and they have done so for the last 42 years. We have been in touch with the BHA about changing the regulations in time for the race but there is a pending legal challenge against it. Whatever happens, the Grand National will be run, even if it means we have to bypass all the fences but we hope it won't come to that."

The prospect of a Grand National without jumps will dismay many purists of the sport but the final outcome will depend on the results of a legal council meeting on Wednesday morning. Also at risk are the John Smith's Fox Hunters' Chase on Thursday and the John Smith's Topham Chase on Friday.

A four and a half mile flat race?  :'(

A sad day for National Hunt fans.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 01, 2008, 06:15:28 PM
Happy April Fools Day Homer ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 01, 2008, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 01, 2008, 06:15:28 PM
Happy April Fools Day Homer ;D
;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on April 03, 2008, 08:43:33 AM
When are the horses confirmed for the National?

Usually run a sweep stake in work, so waiting on the BBC site's kit to be published...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rootthemout on April 03, 2008, 09:03:19 AM
declarations for national confirmed today goats
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on April 03, 2008, 09:05:49 AM
Quote from: rootthemout on April 03, 2008, 09:03:19 AM
declarations for national confirmed today goats

Cheers dude!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 03, 2008, 09:24:56 AM
Bcarrier has pretty much covered it above with neigh.co.uk's assessment of the stats. I'd interpret some of the stats and trends slightly differently to neigh and doing that, I come up with four horses that tick all the boxes in the stats and trends for previous winners: D'Argent, Cornish Sett, Comply Or Die and Philson Run. (There's also Ossmoses, which could possibly get into the race but, even if he does, seems to perform only in the muck, so I'm eliminating him). Philson Run is definitely in the race at this stage, as Ollie Magern has pulled out, but I'm eliminating him as a potential winner on the basis that I can't see how he can go three places better this year, carrying three lbs. more. And the stats are against him – a placed horse hasn't gone on to win the National at least as far back as 1990. He has to have a great chance of a place again, though. He's run well on both his outings and he was finishing well last year, though 7.2 on Betfair is not that attractive.

As the fella says above, there are so few qualifiers this year under the stats and trends for previous winners that horses that come near meeting all criteria must come into the picture. There are nine other horses that meet all criteria but one. Of these, six fail on the weight criterion, carrying 11st. or more. Of this six, I'd eliminate without question Knowhere, Mr Pointment and Simon, which all carry 11-7 or more. I don't think it can be done. There's a case to be made for Butler's Cabin, Vodka Bleu and Mckelvey, which are all just over the 11st. limit. I'm sticking with the stats, though, and eliminating them from the win consideration also, but it makes sense to consider them for the place, though only Vodka Bleu comes near to representing any real place value (11.5 on Betfair).

The other three horses failing on only one stat have failed to win a Class 1 race in their careers. They are Cloudy Lane, Mon Mome and Idle Talk. Cloudy Lane is a derisory price at 5/1, but I'd consider Mon Mome and Idle Talk for a place – both have been placed more than once in Class 1 company, though Mon Mome's place odds are a bit skinny – 9 on Betfair. Idle Talk is 16.

So I'm suggesting that only the following horses are likely to figure in the contest:
D'Argent
Cornish Sett
Comply Or Die
Philson Run
Butler's Cabin
Vodka Bleu
Mckelvey
Cloudy Lane
Mon Mome
Idle Talk
And Knowhere, Mr Pointment and Simon may also manage to hump their weight around and threaten for places.

I'm sticking with the stats and I've backed D'Argent, Cornish Sett and Comply Or Die for the win. Cornish Sett at 100/1 and 180 on Betfair is the outstanding value in the race for me and I'm also placing him at 27, though I'm a bit worried that the high price may reflect something I don't know about. The only other place value I see is Idle Talk at 16, Vodka Bleu at 11.5 and I can't ignore Philson Run, as he's the best bet in the race to get around – he doesn't fall and has only ever hit the deck when brought down – and will be going as well at the finish as at the start.

Finally, Ardaghey and Dunbrody Millar are the next two in line to get into the race if there are any defections. Both score on all statistics but one  - they have failed to win a Class 1 race, but both have been placed at that level. They are at very high place odds at present on Betfair, on the basis that as of now, they're not in the race – maybe worth a punt at 55 and 100 respectively. Indeed at 420 and 660 for the win, they're probably worth a Euro or two on a gamble that one or two may pull out.

I'm off to Spain now for a week. If one or more of the above come up, it might be four weeks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 03, 2008, 09:36:05 AM
Some great racing today lads. im going with a lucky 15 of Francheok, Binocular, Where Now and Inglis drever
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 03, 2008, 09:38:39 AM
thanks hardy will go with your tips again this year have a good break
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 03, 2008, 10:43:51 AM
Quitest build up to a National meeting i can remember!

As for today -

Might go against Inglis Drever & back Kicks For Free instead, maybe e/w depends on the price later on. But could easily change my mind & go for Inglis Drever again, best horse in the race but has never won at this meeting!

Kauto is skinny enough, can see him going off at slightly bigger price than he currently is (4/6), people will have their doubts after Cheltenham, but for me should win with abit in hand. Depending on price, I might double him up with another Nicholls horse in the 2.55 Taunton LEADING ATTRACTION - another short price fav but is a shoe-in.

And finally will be backing Calestial Halo in the 3.10 & if the day goes according to plan will have a go Leslingtaylor in the 4.20!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 11:04:56 AM
I see Millenium Royal out in the first at Aintree, I had it EW Ante-post for Cheltenham but it didn't go (hopefully in preference for this).  Big ask to beat Inglis Drever, but bound to be in with a good shout - and interestingly Kasbah Bliss from the same stable doesn't go.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 03, 2008, 01:09:22 PM
I really cant see Kauto being bet today but Il wait cos it will probably open better than 4/6.There is nothing in the same class as Denman and altho Our Vic mite force the pace he's not in the same league as Kauto or Denman.
Binocular at 7/4 looks a good bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on April 03, 2008, 01:44:25 PM
my yankee inglis drever, kauto star, binocular and franchoek, always enjoyed aintree more than cheltenham do due to fact that you have better chances of winning money!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 03, 2008, 01:46:29 PM
Agree with you there on Kauto boojangles.

If this race had of been run before the Gold Cup Kauto would be 1/5 or so in this race. People are just assuming that he has lost his touch but in my opinion he just came up against and absolute machine in Denman. Sure Monets Garden pipped him before but Kauto was giving him a good stone and at level weights today I'm sure he'll win with some relative ease.

Going with a wee treble myself today

Inglis Drever @ 7/5
Kauto Star @ 4/5
Franchoek @ 9/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on April 03, 2008, 02:11:35 PM
Bad start for favourite backers - and my double - Inglis Drever third in the first.  BBC website showing first few races today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 03, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
Aye Thornton and King combine once again with a surprising win for Blazing Bailey.

Well thats my treble a faller at the first so might just stick to singles now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on April 03, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
Thought Inglis was going to get back up
My treble shafted as well  :(

Kauto to get the money back............... :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 03, 2008, 02:31:08 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_6540000/newsid_6548000/6548073.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2
Live Racing

Inglis Drever's Trainer says he'll never run again at Aintree!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 03, 2008, 02:32:36 PM
handy watching it on bbc1, far better than listening to sporting life commentary!

Money coming for Kauto, now 4/7!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 03, 2008, 02:45:36 PM
Our Vic wins in photo finish.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 03, 2008, 02:48:22 PM
only because of his class he got to even be close to a photo finish! poor jumping, like the Kauto of old again im afraid!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 03, 2008, 02:49:07 PM
Did anyone hear them say that just before the off there was a bet of 65k put on Kauto???  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 03:00:06 PM
Major f$%k up by Ruby, he lost it and he knew it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: High Catch on April 03, 2008, 03:06:22 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 03:00:06 PM
Major f$%k up by Ruby, he lost it and he knew it.

I never seen race, why do you blame Ruby Walsh?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: derryexile on April 03, 2008, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 03:00:06 PM
Major f$%k up by Ruby, he lost it and he knew it.

How can you blame ruby... this is the first time the horse has been pushed to the front so early a decision taken by the owner and trainer... ruby was riding to instructions and would have won the race if it hadn't of crashed at the second last!

If you knew anything about racing you would have seen that on all previous outings...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 03, 2008, 03:10:35 PM
Quote from: High Catch on April 03, 2008, 03:06:22 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 03:00:06 PM
Major f$%k up by Ruby, he lost it and he knew it.

I never seen race, why do you blame Ruby Walsh?

Apparently he rode as instructed by Nicholls, who now says he got it wrong.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 03, 2008, 03:14:51 PM
G'wan Binocular!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 03:31:40 PM
Thought he gave it a poor ride (although Nicholl's susequently taking the blame for tactics does clear him somewhat),  I would be of the opinion that it's the jockeys job to get the horse round no matter how suspect the horse's jumping is - that's what they are paid for.  He hit at least 4 fences, nearly landing on top of the second last.

Has Ruby been elevated to the pantheon of untouchables then?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: derryexile on April 03, 2008, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 03:31:40 PM
Thought he gave it a poor ride (although Nicholl's susequently taking the blame for tactics does clear him somewhat),  I would be of the opinion that it's the jockeys job to get the horse round no matter how suspect the horse's jumping is - that's what they are paid for.  He hit at least 4 fences, nearly landing on top of the second last.

Has Ruby been elevated to the pantheon of untouchables then?

WHAT lol

Did the horse get round... um yes! job done then in your eyes?

If you had of watched Ruby over his career riding for Mullins or AJ Martin you would know he has never ran like that before... last time you will ever see Kauto Star run like that ... the horse would also have won had it not been for the error two out.

In your opinion he gave it a poor ride... in what way did he give it a poor ride, by riding to instructions... surely not his fault then...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on April 03, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 03, 2008, 09:24:56 AM
.. but I'm eliminating him as a potential winner on the basis that I can't see how he can go three places better this year, carrying three lbs. more.

.....Of these, six fail on the weight criterion, carrying 11st. or more. Of this six, I'd eliminate without question Knowhere, Mr Pointment and Simon, which all carry 11-7 or more. I don't think it can be done. There's a case to be made for Butler's Cabin, Vodka Bleu and Mckelvey, which are all just over the 11st. limit. I'm sticking with the stats, though, and eliminating them from the win consideration also, but it makes sense to consider them for the place, though only Vodka Bleu comes near to representing any real place value (11.5 on Betfair).

Its gas how a few pounds can seemingly make such a huge difference, when the animals themselves often weigh over 70 stones....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on April 03, 2008, 04:29:42 PM
anywhere were ya can watch the last two free on net
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 03, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
Dunno about watching, you can listen here radio.betfair.com (http://radio.betfair.com)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on April 03, 2008, 04:50:09 PM
cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 03, 2008, 06:28:39 PM
Fecks sake - Kauto wins virtually every race for 2 years and as soon as I start to back him he loses twice in a month!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: derryexile on April 03, 2008, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 03:31:40 PM
Thought he gave it a poor ride (although Nicholl's susequently taking the blame for tactics does clear him somewhat),  I would be of the opinion that it's the jockeys job to get the horse round no matter how suspect the horse's jumping is - that's what they are paid for.  He hit at least 4 fences, nearly landing on top of the second last.

Has Ruby been elevated to the pantheon of untouchables then?

WHAT lol

Did the horse get round... um yes! job done then in your eyes?

In your opinion he gave it a poor ride... in what way did he give it a poor ride, by riding to instructions... surely not his fault then...

Did you think Ruby gave it a good ride then?  Kauto hit the four fences by himself, nothing to do with the driver in the saddle? 

Quote
If you had of watched Ruby over his career riding for Mullins or AJ Martin you would know he has never ran like that before... last time you will ever see Kauto Star run like that ... the horse would also have won had it not been for the error two out.
What do you mean " ..you would know he has never ran like that before??"  Ruby or Kuato ??? The hold up horse is not Ruby's style, it's Tony Martins style and it fucks up more than it suceeds, prime example Pyscho at Cheltenham.  Also Ruby doesn't hold up horses, Ruby rides how he's told to ride!  I'm sick losing money on the AJ/Ruby connection(and wont be in the future).  I agree he would have won but for the error two out - Ruby's error IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 03, 2008, 07:39:03 PM

Fecks sake - Kauto wins virtually every race for 2 years and as soon as I start to back him he loses twice in a month!

In the same position myself.I never backed Kauto until the Gold Cup this year(was always an Exotic Dancer man) when I decided I was an Idiot for not backing it for the previous year and a half and threw 250 on it at evens.Easy money in my eyes. ???
Then doubled it up today with Binocular.Il never back Kauto again as good a horse as it is.
Binocular put in a fine performance today and Im sure JP McManus is eyeing a run in the Champion Hurdle now.
Title: .
Post by: pintsofguinness on April 03, 2008, 07:49:48 PM
Our vic saved the day for me - up a whole 75p!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: qub la la la on April 03, 2008, 08:26:26 PM
at least your up! had a big double on inglis drever (who won me a brave bit at cheltenham) and kauto star. should be renamed falling star!! binocular pulled it round a bit but a bad day at the office..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on April 03, 2008, 09:07:02 PM
Horses dont go well next time out after cheltenham!! simple point 2 remember!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on April 03, 2008, 09:36:15 PM
I would suggest you're talking nonsense downtown.

Aintree is a very different course, and that's a much more pertinent factor in any "surprises".
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 04, 2008, 12:06:42 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 03, 2008, 07:15:32 PM
The hold up horse is not Ruby's style, it's Tony Martins style and it fucks up more than it suceeds, prime example Pyscho at Cheltenham. 

Psycho was a poor ride at Cheltenham, there is hold up and then there is leaving a horse with way to much to do, which was the case in point.

Your comments about Ruby and Kauto are a classic case of someone talking through their pockets!! Kauto has not become a bad horse over night and Ruby is the finest jockey riding today

Quote from: downtown on April 03, 2008, 09:07:02 PM
Horses dont go well next time out after cheltenham!! simple point 2 remember!

Winners of the first three races all ran at Cheltenham!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 04, 2008, 09:14:12 AM
I've always wondered why Tony Martin trains all his horses to be 'hold up' horses, surely some horses have a different mental make up and are front runners/whatever. 

I would certainly disagree that Ruby is the best around at the minute, but it's all a matter of opinion (if you exclude AP's 10? in a row ;))  Davy Russell for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on April 04, 2008, 10:51:37 AM
Who all do you fancy in the donkey derby tomorrow?? I was gonna do hedgehunter (Ruby on board) but now i'm not so sure ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 04, 2008, 11:35:02 AM
Slim Pickings
Point Barrow
Joacci

All each way.

Dire racing (price wise) today, particularly if you are a favourite backer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 04, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
If form is anything to go by we would b expecting Captain Cee Bee(after Binocular pissing home yesterday),Albertas Run and Master Minded to win well,I just dont think it will b as easy tho!
McCoy is quoted as saying that he didnt give Albertas Run a good ride at Cheltenham(and still won)-7/4 seems good to me!
Any opinions lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on April 04, 2008, 12:23:07 PM
Cloudy Lane is a very just favourite, but at a price that mean each way plundering is a better option. If he gets through the first 6 fences, it's hard to see him getting beaten though.

Even given a big weight, Simon should finish in the top 4. Everything apart from his weight says he can win.

At bigger prices, Philson Run will stay forever and with softer ground than last year, might even go better than his fourth then.

The one that really interests me though is Naunton Brook, who also has the proper profile to go well, and at a huge price (generally 66/1).


Simon - 1 pt win
Philson Run - 1pt e/w
Naunton Brook - 1pt e/w


One other thing. I was told a stat that over half the runners this year will be wearing visors, blinkers or cheekpieces. Which should mean single-vision carnage at the first few fences. Backing less than 10 finishers looks a good bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 04, 2008, 12:45:23 PM
Gonna go for Butlers Cabin!! Knowing my luck he'll fall at the first so everyone else stay away....  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 04, 2008, 01:15:23 PM
2.00 Battlecry, getting 7 pounds from Albertas Run on a track that should suit him better (5/1 compared to the 6/4 fav)
4.20 Pieret Lunaire, getting a stone from Captain Cee Bee, also has good form with Binocular and was held back from Cheltenham with this in mind (9/2 compared to 6/5 fav)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 04, 2008, 02:14:42 PM
Got a tip for this horse today from the sister of the owner(s)....

Mid-Mon Lady running at Dundalk @ 8.40! I know nothing about it so no apologies offered if its SH1TE!!!

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Racecards/0,12495,260455,00.html

Think its currently 7/2 and was 7/1 yesterday  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 04, 2008, 03:20:09 PM
Another one for Ruby's blooper reel, lept early and landed on his hind legs 2 or 3 out, knocked the stuffing out of him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 04, 2008, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2008, 03:20:09 PM
Another one for Ruby's blooper reel, lept early and landed on his hind legs 2 or 3 out, knocked the stuffing out of him.

Jaysus Benny you really have it in for Ruby, Masterminded was a tired horse who was beaten by over 10 lengths, you could have whoever you wanted on board that horse, he wouldn't have won.

You didn't see the peach of a ride Ruby gave the winner of first I bet!!! (wish he hadn't done  :'()


He gave Gwanko another poor ride in the Topham chase as well ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 04, 2008, 04:00:39 PM
Tired? nothing to do with the jump(or the landing to be more specific) that knocked the sh1te out of him?  Two good ones today 2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ExiledGael on April 04, 2008, 04:04:10 PM
How'd Cee Bee go?
Hardy any sign of that national preview?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 04, 2008, 04:10:56 PM
Capt Cee Bee running in 4.20
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 04, 2008, 04:11:19 PM
See page 62
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on April 04, 2008, 04:22:17 PM
Boys, interesting that Paul Nolan sending 1 horse to Aintree (Maisy Daisy in the last). Has good strike rate on the rare occasions he goes. Good each way at 14/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ExiledGael on April 04, 2008, 04:27:10 PM
Ah I see, Hardy ran a blinder last year. Worth looking at.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 04, 2008, 04:31:27 PM
Gaa.boy were u studying the form in the Hat???  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 04, 2008, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2008, 04:00:39 PM
Tired? nothing to do with the jump(or the landing to be more specific) that knocked the sh1te out of him?  Two good ones today 2.

Any Ruby does it again  ;D He might have done me in the first but return a nice win for me in the 4.20

Ruby, Ruby, Ruby, Ruby La,La,La,La,La

179/1 Treble for him today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on April 04, 2008, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2008, 04:00:39 PM
Tired? nothing to do with the jump(or the landing to be more specific) that knocked the sh1te out of him?  Two good ones today 2.
I think he was emptying at that stage benny to be honest.  Doesnt look like he gets 2 1/2 miles to be honest.  Still though, he is only 5 and a massive prospect for next season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 04, 2008, 05:24:28 PM
Horse running tonight 7.10 Dundalk called Gandolfini. Hasn't been out since last year and connections say he is in good shape and should run well.

Available at 12s in most bookmakers so worth a few quid EW.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 04, 2008, 05:26:42 PM
got him at 12's homer 10 each way heres hoping
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 04, 2008, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: Homer on April 04, 2008, 05:24:28 PM
Horse running tonight 7.10 Dundalk called Gandolfini. Hasn't been out since last year and connections say he is in good shape and should run well.

Available at 12s in most bookmakers so worth a few quid EW.


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Apologies lads.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on April 05, 2008, 01:17:35 AM
any horse that has won at cheltenham, has had a poor run at aintree louth excile!! same fact every yr!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 05, 2008, 01:30:24 AM
Stuck on Comply or Die for tomorrow. No doubt it'll be a disaster but sure that's life!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 05, 2008, 10:07:08 AM
Quote from: Homer on April 04, 2008, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: Homer on April 04, 2008, 05:24:28 PM
Horse running tonight 7.10 Dundalk called Gandolfini. Hasn't been out since last year and connections say he is in good shape and should run well.

Available at 12s in most bookmakers so worth a few quid EW.


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Apologies lads.


no harm homer, don't let it happen again ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 05, 2008, 10:34:58 AM
just put on 5 bets for the national followed hardy's advice well who wouldn't after last years stunning tips :)
Well here they are Cornish Set 100/1 , Ardaghey 100/1 , Comply or Die 10/1 , Philsons Run 33/1 ,
and Dargent 25/1 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youngfella on April 05, 2008, 10:55:25 AM
Im in liverpool here, have ye's got any tips for the nation??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gallsman on April 05, 2008, 04:39:52 PM
First time I've bet on the national for years. Looked at Comply or Die at 9-1 in Ladbrokes but got greedy and went for Butler's Cabin at 14-1. Clare Balding told me he was looking "fabulous". The bitch.  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 05, 2008, 04:44:45 PM
had 20 e/w on comply or die as he was the lowest odds , 5 e/w on the rest so happy days  :) buy you a pint the next time your in mayo hardy ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 05, 2008, 05:03:24 PM
I had Comply or Die as well. Cheers Hardy. Of course I also had Philson Run, Ardaghey and Cornish Sett, ya aul' bollix ya  ;D

I had an ante post each way on King John's Castle as well, so first time in ages I've had a profitable NAtional.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 05, 2008, 05:08:25 PM
so all in all a good we for ya az  up in the national and an offaly man about to take over the running of the country ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 05, 2008, 05:12:26 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on April 05, 2008, 05:08:25 PM
so all in all a good we for ya az  up in the national and an offaly man about to take over the running of the country ;)

And America!!!

But our minor footballers were beaten in Wicklow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 05, 2008, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on April 04, 2008, 12:06:42 AM
Quote from: downtown on April 03, 2008, 09:07:02 PM
Horses dont go well next time out after cheltenham!! simple point 2 remember!
Winners of the first three races all ran at Cheltenham!

Quote from: downtown on April 05, 2008, 01:17:35 AM
any horse that has won at cheltenham, has had a poor run at aintree louth excile!! same fact every yr!

If you look back at the original quote downtown you will see that you did not say cheltenham winners!! Four winners on Thursday and four winners on Friday had runs at Cheltenham. If you are saying that the Cheltenham form didn't hold up, you are right. None more so than VoyPur and Masterminded having a reversal in distance of 29 lengths  :o
In what has not been a classic year for 2 mile novice chasers tidal bay stands out by winning at both meetings. Although, so did Our Vic and Binocular was not far off winning at both tracks.

I got a run for my money in the national, even if no return. I am just glad that my bet of the day was Al Eile, 11/4 was some price  :)
Coming up to Beechers the second time I had Chelsea Harbour (16/1), Butlers Cabin (16/1) and D'Argent (25/1) all up in the van and expecting to at least pocket some place money, thats the luck of it, thank god VC were doing a faller/free bet special, so only Chelsea Harbour cost me. After a disastrous Cheltenham it was nice to come out of Aintree quids in.

The first five horse home in the National were all Irish Bred and all had Irish Jockeys, with 2nd, 3rd and 4th also being trained in owned in Ireland. So even though we didn't win it this year it was still a great Irish performance and you couldn't begrudge the winning connections (especially those of you who backed it), they are more than entitled to a win in it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 06, 2008, 11:01:38 PM
20 EW on Comply or Die at 10s,cheers Hardy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 07, 2008, 08:54:25 AM
I was offered the opinion (before the Eider chase) that comply or die would win both. Of course i didnt listen until after the Eider. Backed comply or die £30 on nose. Had the forecast in mind King Johns castle but put the 2 of them in my placepot instead (which Kalderon screwed me on) did d'argent for the forecast. Cant complain overall. ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: his holiness nb on April 07, 2008, 01:24:07 PM
Bet on about 3 races per year, havent a clue, pick a horse whose name I like.
Who did I pick? Only a bleedin tenner on comply or die at ten to one!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 07, 2008, 01:28:34 PM
I won't ask why you liked the name 'Comply or Die'.  Everything OK hnb? :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: his holiness nb on April 07, 2008, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 07, 2008, 01:28:34 PM
I won't ask why you liked the name 'Comply or Die'.  Everything OK hnb? :D

The weird thing is I called my brother to tell him and he had a tenner on the same horse.
I asked him why and he said "I liked the name".

We had a decent childhood mind you  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 08, 2008, 12:19:50 PM
Heard word for Dippy Duck today at Sedgefield 2.50 Its around five to one now and defintely worth a look
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 08, 2008, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 08, 2008, 12:19:50 PM
Heard word for Dippy Duck today at Sedgefield 2.50 Its around five to one now and defintely worth a look
Totally sick! Had him at 6/1. Jockey made a complete mess of it. He should have won easy. Apologies lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 09, 2008, 08:22:41 AM
Was that the race when the horse was leading by a country mile, then the jockey kept looking behind him to see where the rest where, thought he was far enough clear so stopped riding him & ended up getting beat?

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 09, 2008, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: girt_giggler on April 09, 2008, 08:22:41 AM
Was that the race when the horse was leading by a country mile, then the jockey kept looking behind him to see where the rest where, thought he was far enough clear so stopped riding him & ended up getting beat?



Yeah thats the one Girt. Jockey made an absolute mess of it! Told it was an absolute certainty
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 09, 2008, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 09, 2008, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: girt_giggler on April 09, 2008, 08:22:41 AM
Was that the race when the horse was leading by a country mile, then the jockey kept looking behind him to see where the rest where, thought he was far enough clear so stopped riding him & ended up getting beat?
Yeah thats the one Girt. Jockey made an absolute mess of it! Told it was an absolute certainty

Just watched the replay of that on attheraces.com. OMG that was bad, first of all, was he brought before the stewards?
Secondly, I don't buy into a lot of the corruption rumours to do with horse racing, but that looked very, very bad.
He looked like he was riding to lose the race!! That race needs to be looked at carefully by the authorities (IMHO)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 09, 2008, 11:45:32 AM
Doesn't seem he was brought before the stewards no
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 09, 2008, 11:51:45 AM
Stewards probably laid him on Betfair!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 09, 2008, 12:12:51 PM
I know I am only a humble punter, but I find that amazing. I know it is a seller in sedgefield, so you can't really get a lower grand of race, but still, I thought it looked wild dodgy. What the rest of you think??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BenDover on April 18, 2008, 02:18:38 PM
Got a tip from a friend - mr multifix running 2.50 at ayr
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 18, 2008, 03:03:52 PM
second
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: qub la la la on April 19, 2008, 01:50:13 AM
mr multifix was a tip for me the last time he was out when he won even though he didnt jump all that well. was in two minds today and ended up going for the sentimental sort of bet that he's won before for me so he#s sure to win again. wasnt too far away but still a costly mistake.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 24, 2008, 02:07:32 PM
Friend of mine owns a share in a horse called Rowan River, goes today in the 3.45@Bev, expected to go close, currently 9/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 24, 2008, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 24, 2008, 02:07:32 PM
Friend of mine owns a share in a horse called Rowan River, goes today in the 3.45@Bev, expected to go close, currently 9/2.

How close benny ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 24, 2008, 02:50:42 PM
We will have to wait and see, but if you had been following it (as I have) you wouldn't be up a big pile :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 24, 2008, 02:52:28 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 24, 2008, 02:50:42 PM
We will have to wait and see, but if you had been following it (as I have) you wouldn't be up a big pile :-\
sure if your not in you can't win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on April 24, 2008, 04:04:18 PM
finished with it the donkey >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 24, 2008, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 24, 2008, 04:04:18 PM
finished with it the donkey >:(
no harm Benny will i bring the side be side with me or the over and under ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 24, 2008, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on April 24, 2008, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 24, 2008, 04:04:18 PM
finished with it the donkey >:(
no harm Benny will i bring the side be side with me or the over and under ;)

Benny is finished with it, back it next time out. ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on April 24, 2008, 09:38:31 PM
One of Bud's old horses Big Zeb won today at punchestown at odds of 4/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on April 24, 2008, 09:52:24 PM
Captain Conflict in the 5.30 at Punchestown tomorrow.  Ruby will probably be on board so no doubt this will hinder the SP.  Has won on his last two outings but about 25 in this race so hopefully no "traffic problems".
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 24, 2008, 11:19:00 PM
QuoteOne of Bud's old horses Big Zeb won today at punchestown at odds of 4/1

Noticed that.

Come back Bud!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on April 24, 2008, 11:57:06 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 24, 2008, 11:19:00 PM
QuoteOne of Bud's old horses Big Zeb won today at punchestown at odds of 4/1

Noticed that.

Come back Bud!

Hear Hear or is it here here? We want wise bud back!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rois on April 25, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
Prob not the best place for this, but asince you're all into your betting, any tips for greyhound racing?  Going to Dundalk tonight and haven't a clue what to look for.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 25, 2008, 12:10:29 PM
good aul spot is dundalk.... last time i was up there i had 11 winners!!! (spread between Dundalk & HC which was on the screens)
Similar to the horses....

Look at the form
Dogs last times (especially at Dundalk)
Which type of surface it ran on when posting those times

And most of all..... pick a name you like!!!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on April 25, 2008, 04:09:10 PM
Although not strictly a tip, if any of you can get a decent price on Glenavon against Armagh, I would advise you to take it  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 25, 2008, 04:13:16 PM
The way Armagh are playing....  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 25, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
QuoteAlthough not strictly a tip, if any of you can get a decent price on Glenavon against Armagh, I would advise you to take it

Heard something similar about an irish league game last week but the result went the other way. Wouldnt pay too much heed. Its only trebles and upwards on the Irish league in any case.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on April 25, 2008, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 25, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
Its only trebles and upwards on the Irish league in any case.

You can back singles in the Irish League on Betfair - although the price is gone on it now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on May 13, 2008, 12:39:18 AM
Sadler´s Wells retired from stud duties

Legendary sire Sadler´s Wells is to be retired from stud duties due to declining fertility.
The decision was made by the team at Coolmore Stud, where the 27-year-old son of Northern Dancer will remain in retirement having stood there since the end of the 1985 Flat season.
Sadler´s Wells was champion sire in Britain and Ireland a record-breaking 14 times, including 13 years in succession.
Coolmore manager Christy Grassick said: "I think Sadler´s Wells is generally acknowledged as the best sire Europe has ever seen and we feel very privileged to have been associated with him.
"Despite his advancing years, he is still in remarkably good condition and I hope he enjoys a long and happy retirement.
"His influence will be felt for many years to come and in Galileo, Montjeu and High Chaparral, we are delighted to have his three best sons at Coolmore."
Sadler´s Wells, sired by Northern Dancer and out of Fairy Bridge, was foaled in the United States in 1981.
Trained by the masterful Vincent O´Brien, he enjoyed a very successful racing career that saw him win many of the highest-profile prizes.
Counting the Derrinstown Stud Derby Trial, Irish 2000 Guineas, Eclipse and Irish Champion Stakes among his haul as a three-year-old alone, O´Brien´s bay was making the headlines long before finding his true niche in the racing game.
When retired to stud, Sadler´s Wells had won six of his 11 starts and earned over ¿575,000 in prize money.
Really hitting the heights as a stallion, the virtually incomparable Sadler´s Wells sired over 200 stakes winners and well over 60 Group One scorers.
Even a scaled-down list of the major players he has produced makes for sensational reading, with the likes of Montjeu, Galileo, High Chaparral and Yeats all featuring prominently.
Further back, in the late 1980s, In The Wings, Old Vic and Opera House were all flying the flag in top-flight company.
Along with those superstars, he sired plenty of top-notch fillies as well, including 1000 Guineas, Oaks and Irish Derby winner Salsabil and the exceptionally-talented Alexandrova.
The latter, trained by Aidan O´Brien, secured the Epsom, Irish and Yorkshire Oaks in a sensational three-year-old campaign.
His versatility as a sire was also highlighted perfectly by triple Champion Hurdle winner Istabraq, who won no fewer than 23 of his 29 races over timer to accrue well over ¿1million in winnings.
Sadler´s Wells ran in the colours of the late Robert Sangster.
His son Ben said: "He was a phenomenal horse. His record as a stallion is unbelievable and it is the end of a very distinguished career.
"His legacy will live on through his sons and daughters and their sons and daughters.
"He has the likes of Montjeu and Galileo among many others to continue his bloodline.
"I don´t remember much about his racing days as I was only a child myself, but he showed he was a classy and tough performer.
"He was a son of Northern Dancer and he has continued that legacy as I´m sure his progeny will continue his.
"A number of his sons and daughters will probably be lining up at Epsom this year and for the next couple of years to come and his influence will continue."

http://www.irish-racing.com/v4news2.htm

Now he was some stud! Father to High Chapparal, my favourite flat horse of all time and the Legend that was Istabraq
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on May 16, 2008, 02:04:00 PM
Got a tip for Johnny Rook, 3.20@Newbury.  Hasn't run before.  Allegedly came from a William Hill executive!  11/1 in the paper
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 16, 2008, 02:08:08 PM
he is at 8 's with terry rodgers now Benny
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 16, 2008, 03:21:03 PM
Got a random text from a mate FLY BY MAGIC running at 6.15 in Cork tonight early price 20/1.

Would be worth a couple of quid each way at most, could be nothing to it like most tips but sure we are all loaded nowadays.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 16, 2008, 03:28:07 PM
Newbury 3.20   

1st  8 Orizaba (IRE)  11-4 
2nd  6 Johnny Rook (GER)  10-1 
3rd  5 Jazacosta (USA)  10-1 
 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 16, 2008, 03:31:21 PM
Tip in here today, Smirfys Silver in the 4.45 Newmarket, around 4/1

Just saying, don't go mad, I am not backing it myself but thought I would put it up anyway...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on May 16, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Candyman on May 16, 2008, 03:28:07 PM
Newbury 3.20   

1st  8 Orizaba (IRE)  11-4 
2nd  6 Johnny Rook (GER)  10-1 
3rd  5 Jazacosta (USA)  10-1 
 
Beaten 2 lengths, 10/1 ew still better than a kick in the balls.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 16, 2008, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 16, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Candyman on May 16, 2008, 03:28:07 PM
Newbury 3.20   

1st  8 Orizaba (IRE)  11-4 
2nd  6 Johnny Rook (GER)  10-1 
3rd  5 Jazacosta (USA)  10-1 
 
Beaten 2 lengths, 10/1 ew still better than a kick in the balls.

aye good man benny sure it will pay for a pint tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 16, 2008, 04:58:05 PM
f**king got sucked into backing that smirfy one in the end! Donkey
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 16, 2008, 06:33:40 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 16, 2008, 03:21:03 PM
Got a random text from a mate FLY BY MAGIC running at 6.15 in Cork tonight early price 20/1.

Would be worth a couple of quid each way at most, could be nothing to it like most tips but sure we are all loaded nowadays.

just beat into second!!  happy days tenner each way though, could have been better!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 16, 2008, 07:55:37 PM
Smokin Joe - I sent you a PM there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 17, 2008, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 16, 2008, 06:33:40 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 16, 2008, 03:21:03 PM
Got a random text from a mate FLY BY MAGIC running at 6.15 in Cork tonight early price 20/1.

Would be worth a couple of quid each way at most, could be nothing to it like most tips but sure we are all loaded nowadays.

just beat into second!!  happy days tenner each way though, could have been better!

Good man Doogie had a tenner e/w as well fair play
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 31, 2008, 10:36:44 PM
Was winding my way back from Enniscrone this evening when I got a blast from the past. He was in great form celebrating Laois' win with half a team and I told him our lads had done likewise in a club game. He then went on to tell me about a little village in Mayo at the foot of Croagh Patrick. I thought he was going on a pilgrimage but he assured me he was more focussed on Listowel tomorrow. He told me to let his old friends know so here it is. Any time you hear murMUR like this from our Bud its worth RISKing a few bob.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 31, 2008, 10:38:10 PM
Good man seanie, you beat me to it. I was wondering how I'd put it in cryptic terms as well :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on May 31, 2008, 10:38:24 PM
So I take it Bud is doing well then.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2008, 11:16:00 AM
I HATE FLAT RACING

>:(
Title: Buds tips
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 01, 2008, 01:29:00 PM
Just got him at 16 . 1 fingers crossed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 01, 2008, 03:48:30 PM
Nice one lads
Won in a photo, think he was about 7/1
Title: Buds tips
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 01, 2008, 03:55:51 PM
Fecking brill lads thanks bud and seanie for forwarding on the tip
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 01, 2008, 07:10:31 PM
The mans a legend. Fair play Bud!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 01, 2008, 07:31:53 PM
Great stuff. That's a nice touch to get at the start of the summer :D 16-1 as well. Bud confirms his legendary status :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 01, 2008, 10:11:26 PM
Timimg belt went on the car today in the middle of the M50. That tip made a shit day a little better. Thanks bud.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 04, 2008, 02:06:34 PM
Any fancies for the derby lads? Looks to be wide open. Will be interesting to see how New Approach goes!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 04, 2008, 03:24:14 PM
I think how New Approach goes will depend on the handicapper, what will he do with him?  If I was to guess I'd say he'll hedge his bets and put him in somewhere in the middle of the field, personally I wont be backing him.  I'm not sure he'll get the trip  ???
Interesting to see that Murtagh has opted to partner King of Rome
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 04, 2008, 03:29:21 PM
Handicappers in the Derby, jaysus christ it isn't that bad of a race.  Plus, Murtagh wouldn't have been offerred the ride anyway seeing as though he rides for O'Brien not Bolger!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 04, 2008, 03:39:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 04, 2008, 03:29:21 PM
Handicappers in the Derby, jaysus christ it isn't that bad of a race.  Plus, Murtagh wouldn't have been offerred the ride anyway seeing as though he rides for O'Brien not Bolger!

What won it last year? I might back that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 04, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
It's been a long time since anyone did a Derby two-in-a-row.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 04, 2008, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 04, 2008, 03:29:21 PM
Handicappers in the Derby, jaysus christ it isn't that bad of a race.  Plus, Murtagh wouldn't have been offerred the ride anyway seeing as though he rides for O'Brien not Bolger!

My head is fried here today :-[
Murtagh had a choice of 5 O'Brien horses did he not!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 04, 2008, 04:16:04 PM
Quote from: jaykay on June 04, 2008, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 04, 2008, 03:29:21 PM
Handicappers in the Derby, jaysus christ it isn't that bad of a race.  Plus, Murtagh wouldn't have been offerred the ride anyway seeing as though he rides for O'Brien not Bolger!

My head is fried here today :-[
Murtagh had a choice of 5 O'Brien horses did he not!
He did indeed, apologies, took that part up wrong.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Leg End on June 04, 2008, 05:50:45 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 04, 2008, 03:39:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 04, 2008, 03:29:21 PM
Handicappers in the Derby, jaysus christ it isn't that bad of a race.  Plus, Murtagh wouldn't have been offerred the ride anyway seeing as though he rides for O'Brien not Bolger!

What won it last year? I might back that.

excuse me if i'm wrong but is the derby not for 3-year-olds only therefore meaning a horse can't run in it twice. #

Authorised won it last year at even money with frankie dittorri on board for his first derby win in 12 attempts i think
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 05, 2008, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Leg End on June 04, 2008, 05:50:45 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 04, 2008, 03:39:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 04, 2008, 03:29:21 PM
Handicappers in the Derby, jaysus christ it isn't that bad of a race.  Plus, Murtagh wouldn't have been offerred the ride anyway seeing as though he rides for O'Brien not Bolger!

What won it last year? I might back that.

excuse me if i'm wrong but is the derby not for 3-year-olds only therefore meaning a horse can't run in it twice. #



Indeed it is.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Leo on June 05, 2008, 05:01:29 PM
Derby now being managed by Bertie Ahern who has landed the big job in sport he talked about when booted out of he left government.
Has decreed that dead horses and owners of dead horses are welcome.
De ting is dat de horse may be dead or m-may not or not be known if he d-died or de owner may have died or if he didn't den dat's not de answer and de derby was confidential so it was and de horses didnt want to disclose dey were in it if dey were and de winnings was all sterling round sums and I gave bet to de bookie and he gave me it back and dere is no record or betting slip as we are friends and de whole ting coulddnt be simpler...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 05, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
I can cover for Bertie, I gave him four solid tips one day when he was going to England and he won eight grande. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 05, 2008, 06:17:06 PM
Good man Bud. I knew you'd come back, once you got the smell of the grass on the racecourses and the football pitches.

The standard of tips hasn't been that hot in your absence and the Dubs are getting very cheeky with nobody to keep an eye on them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 05, 2008, 06:42:43 PM
AH I'm not back in the real sense Hardy, just took a peep in this morning, up to my eyes but I will get back after a few weeks or a month or so - If I'm not assasinated by Paddy Power.  Keep 'er lit. :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 07, 2008, 01:15:03 PM
Whos gonna win this derby today?  Needa punt but dont know horse from a donkey.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 07, 2008, 03:54:58 PM
Fancy Dr Freemantle - decent price @ 8 or 9/1
Form stands up to yesterdays Oaks winner
Here's hoping anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tyrones own on June 07, 2008, 04:56:25 PM
   Big Brown should come in alright in the Belmont... I'd like to see him do it

  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/07/sports/othersports/07cnd-belmont.html?ref=othersports
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 07, 2008, 08:25:19 PM
I saw Jim Bolger coming out of Dr Cullen Park last Sunday and he looked happier than he did today in the winner's enclosure at Epsom. And why wouldn't he?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 07, 2008, 11:48:15 PM
Big Brown left a Big Brown one on the track at Belmont. Killed my  5.00 super box of 1, 4, 6, 8 .

DA'TARA WINS


2 Winner paid 79
2 Exacta paid   659
2 Tri    paid   3703
1 Super paid 24318
Title: Any views on this?
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 08, 2008, 09:19:56 AM
A few weeks ago twelve of us were down in Dingle and Ballyferriter.  I had a tip for a horse (Castle Bar Sling) and on the morning when we all got up with sore heads we all went into a bookie shop and we all intended to put 40 euro win on the nag but could not find it listed to run (at Killarney) in the papers.  The Irish girl on the desk said it was not listed for any race that day or in declarations for the next.  We insisted the horse was running.

Off we trudged and promptly drank the €480 collectively before heading to Ballyferriter that is now a tumbleweed town with the Post Office, Supermarket and even the Garda station closed and no paper shop  The useless RTE Teletext had not got the following days runners so we collectively drank about €800 and having checked The Star that we found in a pub the horse was not listed in that evenings runners.  On the way back from Ballyferriter we stopped at Foxy Johns pub to find half of Dingle drunk and they all bought us drink for giving them a tip for a horse that won at 14/1 but some of them backed at 16's and higher.

How in the name of Jaysus are you supposed to win money in a bookies in Kerry unless you are from Kerry - or unless you are backing Kerry to beat the Dub's.  The excuse we were given was that the papers in Ballyferriter do not have the late runners !  The girl in the bookies just laughed at us. Surely the declarations must be entered with the race officials and she should have known, I mean on Horse Tracker you can get notice up to a week in advance.  Shit happens I suppose  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 08, 2008, 03:40:32 PM
Anyone back Murisk today ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 09, 2008, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 08, 2008, 03:40:32 PM
Anyone back Murisk today ???

Its declared to run in Roscommon today at 6.10 too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 09, 2008, 06:32:06 PM
Bulls and Mortar, 7.10 Roscommon. Bud says to go easy. He's putting on a fiver each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 09, 2008, 07:38:40 PM
Hope not too many saw that. was going well but clattered a fence and got pulled up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 12, 2008, 11:38:13 AM
Not a tip, but a strong fancy of mine today

3.50 Newbury - Melodramatic.  Currently 3/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 12, 2008, 10:06:40 PM
Well I did say go easy but Im told he was flying and after that clatter he got his tongue caught under the bit and the jockey decided to spare him the agony. Next time out maybe?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 11:56:50 AM
galiana and sharevar today, especially the second.

do what you will
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 02:45:27 PM
one down, one to go, and that was the one that wasn't supposed to win today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 14, 2008, 02:49:19 PM
What odds was he nail and where is the second one running ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 02:51:50 PM
Was 4's this morn, ended up 8's. McCoy on both of them. Last one 5.25 hexham. local trainer knows my boss and few other lads from bookies i work in
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 02:52:39 PM
while im at it any fellow gamblers here know any pruices for minor matches tomoro, esp armagh??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 14, 2008, 02:56:50 PM
Good man Nail! 8/1 winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 05:35:45 PM
8/1 and 4/1 winners for ya's today lads!! You can suck me off later!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 15, 2008, 09:04:36 AM
Wouldnt know a horse from a donkey but great shout Nail!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 15, 2008, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 05:35:45 PM
8/1 and 4/1 winners for ya's today lads!! You can suck me off later!!


:D :D won't  take you up on your offer nail but fair play to ya got him at 4's wished i did a double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 15, 2008, 11:10:10 AM
Thats some great tipping, fair play
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 15, 2008, 12:04:06 PM
Just passing on knowledge, can't take the credit. Though I suppose I went through the effort of typing them up here!

Worst thing is though I only backed the second one, left the 8/1 shot! Was working and couldn't get a bet on, not allowed to punt here ourselves and couldnt get a hold of anyone!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 16, 2008, 12:56:23 PM
Bud, what about your old friend verchoyles? Is he worth a fiver tonight?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 16, 2008, 01:40:40 PM
'All about Timing' running at 5.50 in Ballinrobe - from a reasonable source of tips 4's with PP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 16, 2008, 05:58:44 PM
A nod to the Boy Keegan  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 17, 2008, 07:39:13 AM
Good man Gerry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 17, 2008, 08:18:56 AM
Fair play to you Gerry 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 17, 2008, 08:42:48 AM
Good man Gerry! The gaaboard is on form at the minute.

Anyone any thoughts on Royal Ascot this week?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2008, 09:45:35 AM
QuoteBud, what about your old friend verchoyles? Is he worth a fiver tonight?

He has been deleted from Horse Tracker for a long time now.

(http://www.eleyhawkltd.com/!!GAMECARTS-03-A_r1_c1.jpg)



Replaced him with Bulls & Mortar in horse tracker,  it's hard to know what is happening all the time but I doubt if V,Lad will make us rich at anyt time in the near future.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 17, 2008, 02:30:10 PM
Lads anywhere know where I can get text commentary on royal ascot in work? all gambling sites and racing post is banned!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on June 17, 2008, 02:34:17 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/

This site has audio commentry
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on June 17, 2008, 03:03:20 PM
any tips mickey ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2008, 10:44:57 AM
Today I am going to stick a fiver each way on a horse in Leopardstown that never ran a race in its life, first time out and staright off the gallops.
At 16/1 it has as good a chance as the boys in the BLACK and AMBER and the boys from the LEE contesting this years All-Ireland.   Not a solid Tip(p) though but well worth an interest.

Does anyone think the GAA Discussion Board should buy a horse !!  It would only cost 100 of us about €200 each and we could graze him in Croke Park for half the year and sell the horseshit to Heffo and Indiana to go with all that they talk about the Dub's.

Can ye start picking a name for our DB horse, selector of the best DB related name,  ie, whereisdrici, and the colours he will run in etc gets a free share.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 18, 2008, 10:55:21 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2008, 10:44:57 AM

Does anyone think the GAA Discussion Board should buy a horse !!  It would only cost 100 of us about €200 each


Would love to get involved in that Bud
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 18, 2008, 11:00:28 AM
Bud

I have a few bob I want to donate to Paddy Power.

What's the name of this fine specimen of horsehood?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 18, 2008, 11:02:01 AM
http://horses.sportinglife.com/Racecards/0,12495,269396,00.html

YES/NO???    ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 18, 2008, 11:10:55 AM
Ah - I see what Bud was at.

Bit slow I do be!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 18, 2008, 11:11:52 AM
So im right then shamrock??? Anyone care to confirm....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 18, 2008, 11:51:59 AM
Throw the HOUSE on it and we have a former grand national winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 18, 2008, 11:57:34 AM
 :-*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 18, 2008, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 18, 2008, 11:51:59 AM
Throw the HOUSE on it and we have a former grand national winner.

I was also going to mention horse referred to!

good 1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
Amber Lee is 25/1 now in Tom Floods.  I must be the only one that thinks it has a chance..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 18, 2008, 12:16:10 PM
It would need to come good or you may emigrate!! maddog said to put the house on it and thats just what i did.... THE MOTHER'S!!!     ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2008, 12:46:53 PM
Im sticking with a fiver each way.        I mean it never ran before for gods sake so why put your house on it.  I did it in a double with Laois to win Leinster.     Should be an ok bet but I am a bit worried about the horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 18, 2008, 12:51:55 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2008, 12:46:53 PM
Im sticking with a fiver each way.        I mean it never ran before for gods sake so why put your house on it.  I did it in a double with Laois to win Leinster.     Should be an ok bet but I am a bit worried about the horse.

Which was the bigger odds Bud, the horse or Laois? :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 18, 2008, 01:13:25 PM
I've placed a few bob e/w for the craic.

On the horse that is.

I wouldn't waste any money on Laois  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2008, 01:51:29 PM
Revenge for the showboating and pointing at the scoreboard.  Can't wait.

The going is gonna be soft in Leopardstown which should suit the litle filly.
The going is going to be hard in Croker which will suit Laois.

(http://sports.setanta.com/upload/Sport/GAA/LAOIS/ClancyPadraigNFL08.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 18, 2008, 04:42:16 PM
Text from a lad who is in Ascot
4.55 Baileys Cacao e/w
I don't know how good he is with the tips, generally 6/1 and 1/4 odds first three
Do with it what you will
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 18, 2008, 05:04:10 PM
nowhere i'm afraid 25/1 shot won it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 18, 2008, 05:33:06 PM
4 lengths back, 7th of 17  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 18, 2008, 07:29:10 PM
Amber Lee 8th
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 19, 2008, 01:23:00 PM
Any fancies for today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 19, 2008, 04:14:50 PM
What a horse Yeats is. Magnificent performance today. Has to be one of the all time greats!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on June 19, 2008, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on June 19, 2008, 04:14:50 PM
What a horse Yeats is. Magnificent performance today. Has to be one of the all time greats!

Agree. 3 in a row is remarkable.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 19, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
Lads 11/8 wasn't a bad price compared to Henry the other day!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 19, 2008, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 19, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
Lads 11/8 wasn't a bad price compared to Henry the other day!!!!!

Any price is alright for a winner!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 23, 2008, 04:07:31 PM
The horse that I swore I'd never back again is out tonight -Rowan River 6.40@ Windsor.  Got it at a guaranteed 20's at luchtime, could be worth a few bob ew at that price.  It's disappointed connections more often than not, but is allegedly flying in training.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 23, 2008, 06:59:02 PM
  Windsor 6.40   

1st  3 Saraba (FR)  25-1 
2nd  14 Danamight (IRE)  13-2 
3rd  9 Neve Lieve (IRE)  12-1 
     7.10   


Tote Win £41.70
Pl £7.80, £2.70, £3.80,
EX £439.90
SF £175.75
Tricast £2095.28
Winning Trainer Mrs L J Mongan
Winning Jockey I Mongan
Distances nk, 1/2l
Unpl. Fav Politeia 5-4 fav
Runners 14 ran
Non runners 7

Disappointed again Benny. Threw 10 yoyo on it meself. Ah well, ya win some........................
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 23, 2008, 07:20:33 PM
It was 4th at 12/1 the useless hoor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Davitt Man on June 24, 2008, 12:14:03 PM
Has anyone gone racing in Sandown? Was it a good day out. I am thinking of heading there in a few weeks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 24, 2008, 12:26:46 PM
Haven't been yet myself, but heading there for the tingle creek in December.
The brother says that its not to far outside of London and handy to get to with the train
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on June 24, 2008, 01:13:31 PM
Went to Sandown for a stag party when I was 17. Drank 8 pints of Caffreys for breakfast, got to the racecourse, fell asleep in the grandstand, got ejected by the Old Bill just as they were lining up for the first, went back to the bus and slept it off, returned to the track just in time to see them crossing the line in the last. All in all it saved me a fortune, and I was still going strong at 4am, but as a result I can't tell you much about the actual racecourse.

It is very handy for London though, there were a huge number of bars, and I remember it crawling wall to wall with totty. The sun shone like a mother f**ker too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 24, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 18, 2008, 10:44:57 AM
Today I am going to stick a fiver each way on a horse in Leopardstown that never ran a race in its life, first time out and staright off the gallops.
At 16/1 it has as good a chance as the boys in the BLACK and AMBER and the boys from the LEE contesting this years All-Ireland.   Not a solid Tip(p) though but well worth an interest.

Does anyone think the GAA Discussion Board should buy a horse !!  It would only cost 100 of us about €200 each and we could graze him in Croke Park for half the year and sell the horseshit to Heffo and Indiana to go with all that they talk about the Dub's.

Can ye start picking a name for our DB horse, selector of the best DB related name,  ie, whereisdrici, and the colours he will run in etc gets a free share.


Is there Any point Bud you might as well give the free share to big Tony  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on June 24, 2008, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 24, 2008, 01:13:31 PM
Went to Sandown for a stag party when I was 17. Drank 8 pints of Caffreys for breakfast, got to the racecourse, fell asleep in the grandstand, got ejected by the Old Bill just as they were lining up for the first, went back to the bus and slept it off, returned to the track just in time to see them crossing the line in the last. All in all it saved me a fortune, and I was still going strong at 4am, but as a result I can't tell you much about the actual racecourse.

It is very handy for London though, there were a huge number of bars, and I remember it crawling wall to wall with totty. The sun shone like a mother f**ker too.

Do they still make Caffreys????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on June 24, 2008, 04:42:38 PM
Sandown is an excellent viewing course and has great facilities. Worth paying extra few quid for club or whatever they call it. Tingle Creek or April closing NH  best meetings in my view...would have thought it is only ferret racing there at the minute. Handy enough from Central London.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on June 24, 2008, 05:23:53 PM
The Eclipse meeting is the one you want to go to during the summertime.

I saw Caffreys in Ibiza last year Tom, and I think they ahve some sort of market for it on the continent. Haven't drank a whole pile of it since Sandown to be honest!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 24, 2008, 10:59:43 PM
I had a pint of Caffreys in Lake Garda last July myself
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 25, 2008, 11:59:49 AM
Amber Lee running tonight again - 8.30 Naas
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 25, 2008, 08:41:38 PM
 Naas 8.30   

1st  2 Ard Fheis (IRE)  9-2 
2nd  9 Keyala (IRE)  10-1 
3rd  7 Holly Hawk (IRE)  10-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tommy Tibbs on July 02, 2008, 04:06:33 PM
Any tips for leopardstown 2nite lads? Fancy a bit of a flutter...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 09, 2008, 07:15:43 PM
not much of a price but my boss talks to the trainer quite a lot and was getting me to stick quite a lot on this horse for him today in work

perfectus in the last at worcester, a lot of money coming in for it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on July 09, 2008, 09:16:34 PM
Very tight finish. 

Won at 11/10.

Cheers Loney!!!  A wins a win!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on July 09, 2008, 09:46:10 PM
Well done the loon
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 18, 2008, 08:09:20 PM
bit of a tip in here for overule in the 8.50 at newmarket, big handicap, about 3-1

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 18, 2008, 08:37:36 PM
JUST SEEING THERE ISN'T JUST A TIP HERE FOR IT, MUST BE EVERYWHERE ITS BEEN BACKED FROM 25S THIS MORN!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 22, 2008, 10:49:38 AM
Great Leighs 6.20 - Alfie Tubber
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 22, 2008, 10:54:30 AM
Alfie TuPPer!

6/1 with stan james at the moment
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tommy Tibbs on July 22, 2008, 02:52:03 PM
Amber lee 5.40 Ballinrobe 25's

Is he worth backing anymore?  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 22, 2008, 05:27:08 PM
SOME GAMBLE HERE SMIRFYS GOLD 3/1 FROM 10/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 22, 2008, 05:28:40 PM
Didn't get mentioned whole race might have got up for third though...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 22, 2008, 06:17:15 PM
alfie tupper opened up at 4s, in to 7/2 here, so much for each way value
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: fred the red on July 22, 2008, 06:19:03 PM
stick a score on it there nail and il square u up later
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 22, 2008, 06:25:01 PM
f**k clean aff! Sure you are a man of mystery who won't reveal his identity. Think it may have been withdrawn there before the race, if not then it was not even mentioned once!

Twenty gone! Hopefully not though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 22, 2008, 06:28:40 PM
horse absolutely nowhere! was different one withdrew. 16/1 shot won it, ruwain.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on July 22, 2008, 06:55:51 PM
PU  11  Alfie Tupper (IRE)  9-7  H Poulton (3)  J R Boyle  5 11/4 jf
saddle slipped soon after start, pulled up opened 4/1 £2000-£500 Each Way 

Backed into 11/4 and they couldnt even put the bloody saddle on  ???

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 22, 2008, 06:58:21 PM
f**k sake, thought it was withdrew, ah well, twenty gone!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 23, 2008, 10:00:47 AM
Saddle slipped and got caught up in the legs causing it to tighten - was this the work of bookies given the gamble on the horse?
Connections told me it was set up for the race and would have stuffed the opposition on show - they had the horse laid out for the race and the money showed this..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 23, 2008, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 23, 2008, 10:00:47 AM
Saddle slipped and got caught up in the legs causing it to tighten - was this the work of bookies given the gamble on the horse?
Connections told me it was set up for the race and would have stuffed the opposition on show - they had the horse laid out for the race and the money showed this..

work of the bookies?? what do you think they did!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 23, 2008, 12:45:14 PM
Got someone to sabotage the saddle - known to happen before, another one of these gambles was a fortnight ago when opening at 8/1 a horse was backed into 7/2 near the off, when the race started the horse next to it, ran straight into the it causing it not to settle until 3 furlongs of the six were over and by that time it was too late and finished 2 lengths behind in 4th.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 23, 2008, 05:44:56 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 23, 2008, 12:45:14 PM
Got someone to sabotage the saddle - known to happen before, another one of these gambles was a fortnight ago when opening at 8/1 a horse was backed into 7/2 near the off, when the race started the horse next to it, ran straight into the it causing it not to settle until 3 furlongs of the six were over and by that time it was too late and finished 2 lengths behind in 4th.

Calm down with the conspiracy theories! You sound like a lot of the punters we get in here, would blame anythign apart from their own picking!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on July 28, 2008, 07:03:52 PM
dont know anything about horses but listening to the radio on sat about 3.30 heard about aidan o brien, johnny murtagh and 13 group wins this season, as an accountant it sounded to good to be true so popped down to bookies and made e133 (e200win). skipped the same bet sunday as i thought i might have got lucky and the fecker won again. when is the next group 1/aob/jm race anyone know and should we not all be keeping a close eye on it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 07:09:56 PM
Wednesday at goodwood, the sussex stakes. Henrythenevigator looks to continue his (and aob/jm's) fantastic season.

Really cant believe how mcuh they are dominating this season. The record looks set to go for group ones.

After that there is the nassau stakes at goodwood on saturday, o brien has FIVE runners pencilled in!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 07:26:33 PM
Might have missed some out but these are the remaining group ones

BRITAIN:
BGC Sussex Stakes 1m Goodwood
Blue Square Nassau 1m2f Goodwood
Juddmonte International Stakes 1m2f York
Darley Yorkshire Oaks 1m4f York
Coolmore Nunthorpe Stakes 5f York
Betfred Sprint Cup 6f Haydock
********* St Leger Stakes 1m6f Doncaster
Meon Valley Stud Fillies' Mile Stakes 1m Ascot
Queen Elizabeth II Stakes 1m Ascot
Cheveley Park Stakes 6f Newmarket (Rowley Mile)
Shadwell Middle Park Stakes 6f Newmarket (Rowley Mile)
Kingdom of Bahrain Sun Chariot Stakes 1m Newmarket (Rowley Mile)
Darley Dewhurst Stakes 7f Newmarket (Rowley Mile)
Emirates Airline Champion Stakes 1m2f Newmarket (Rowley Mile)
Racing Post Trophy 1m Doncaster

IRELAND:
Moyglare Stud Stakes 7f Curragh
Matron Stakes 1m Leopardstown
Irish Champion Stakes 1m2f Leopardstown
Irish St Leger Stakes 1m5f Curragh
National Stakes 7f Curragh

FRANCE:
Prix d'Astarte 1m Deauville
Prix Maurice de Gheest 6f Deauville
Prix Jacques le Marois 1m Deauville
Prix Morny 6f Deauville
Prix du Moulin de Longchamp 1m Longchamp
Prix Vermeille 1m4f Longchamp
Prix du Cadran 2m4f Longchamp
Prix de la Foret 7f Longchamp
Prix de l'Abbeye de Longchamp 5f Longchamp
Prix de l'Opera 1m2f Longchamp
Prix Marcel Boussac 1m Longchamp
Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere 7f Longchamp
Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 1m4f Longchamp
Prix Royal-Oak 2m1f Longchamp
Criterium International 1m Saint-Cloud
Criterium de Saint-Cloud 1m2f Saint-Cloud

I make that 36 left, with aob sitting on 15 wins so far... the record I think is Bobby Frankel with 25.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on July 28, 2008, 08:58:18 PM
your a star nail, going to try my luck on some of them. thought they said on the radio that the record was 33 but i might be wrong...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 09:04:40 PM
Its definitely 25, AOB himself had 23 before but then the american fella Bobby Frankel got 25.

Had to look something up just to make sure!

http://www.bettingpro.com/category/Racing/Aidan-OBrien-on-course-for-26-Group-1-wins/

He is surely gonna break the record, the master

On a side note, who the f**k is he always on the phone to after the races??!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 10:01:54 PM
Was looking there and seeing the fancies for each race, heres the ones I think will win

Duke - international, irish champ
Henry - Sussex, Moulin, Qe2
Septimus - Irish st leger
SoF - BC turf
Mastercraftsman - National stakes, Dewhurst
Peeping fawn (if she comes back) - Opera, BC fillies
frozen Fire - St leger
Moonstone - Yorkshire oaks
Yeats (if kept fresh) - Cadran

So thats 14 good chances for me and he'll no doubt pick up some others along the way, also take nito account the breeders cup meeting in america with the group ones there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on July 28, 2008, 11:16:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 09:04:40 PM


On a side note, who the f**k is he always on the phone to after the races??!

Bud
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 29, 2008, 09:30:31 AM
Quote from: Mac hinery on July 28, 2008, 11:16:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 09:04:40 PM


On a side note, who the f**k is he always on the phone to after the races??!

Bud

Wouldn't surprise ya!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 29, 2008, 10:32:44 AM
AP O Briens runners today just for magickingdom!

29 Jul 2008 2:50      Hebridean at GOODWOOD(Overnight), Betfair Gordon Stakes (Group 3)
29 Jul 2008 8:40     Great Barrier Reef at GALWAY(Overnight), Tote European Breeders Fund Maiden
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on July 29, 2008, 08:18:47 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 29, 2008, 10:32:44 AM
AP O Briens runners today just for magickingdom!

29 Jul 2008 2:50      Hebridean at GOODWOOD(Overnight), Betfair Gordon Stakes (Group 3)
29 Jul 2008 8:40     Great Barrier Reef at GALWAY(Overnight), Tote European Breeders Fund Maiden

just saw this so i'm too late nail!

anyway going to stick to aob/jm/group 1 combo otherwise i'll get to like the nags and become a junkie and i'm bad enough on gaa and golf. do you know how many group 1 races there are in a season nial and how many is the aob/jm combo in? 4-6 to break the record of 25 might be worth a punt.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 29, 2008, 09:08:28 PM
They would go for4 as many of them as possible, aob always saves his horses for the best, thats why you won't see many at galway this week!

You wouldn't get 4/6 on him breaking the record anymore tho magic, that was before he won another four odd group ones, he would be money on even more now unfortunately

Not sure of the exact amount in a season...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: joebloggs on July 29, 2008, 11:21:11 PM
i have put a bet on today on a horse for tomorrows galway races. (first ever bet on horses and i havent a clue what im at) but im looking at paddy power site and it says non runner no bet rules apply what does that mean?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on July 29, 2008, 11:29:11 PM
Non runner No bet = if your horse doesn't run, your stake is refunded.

Antepost rules (you don't get your money back no matter what) apply up until a certain period before a race, but PP have moved to the next stage here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stevo-08 on July 30, 2008, 08:30:12 AM
Lads, Im headin down to the Galways races tomorrow & friday. My first ever race to attend. Havent a clue when it comes to the nags but Im sure I'll be throwing a few bob on each race.

Does anyone have any tips for the races on thurs/fri.

cheers
Stevo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 30, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2008, 11:29:11 PM
Non runner No bet = if your horse doesn't run, your stake is refunded.

Antepost rules (you don't get your money back no matter what) apply up until a certain period before a race, but PP have moved to the next stage here.


Hardly moved to the next stage, the day before a race is NEVER counted as antepost.

Though they are guaranteeing all earlyu and board prices. This is good, we guarantee early prices at the min but not board...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: High Catch on July 30, 2008, 11:20:35 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 30, 2008, 11:07:55 AM




Hardly moved to the next stage, the day before a race is NEVER counted as antepost.

Though they are guaranteeing all earlyu and board prices. This is good, we guarantee early prices at the min but not board...

What is the difference?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 30, 2008, 12:11:47 PM
Early prices are the prices that are up in the morning and up to about a half hour before a race.

They then take the early prices down and replace them with the board prices, or the live shows, the screens with all the prices that are changing all the time right up to the off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 30, 2008, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on July 30, 2008, 08:30:12 AM
Lads, Im headin down to the Galways races tomorrow & friday. My first ever race to attend. Havent a clue when it comes to the nags but Im sure I'll be throwing a few bob on each race.

Does anyone have any tips for the races on thurs/fri.

cheers
Stevo

We were taking a lot in work on tony martin's two horses

Green Mile in the galway plate
Legspinner in the galway hurdle

Green Mile was the one people were saying they had got a tip for, says that it is a serious horse. Race is today at 3.40, current price (stan james) is 7/1

Leg Spinner is one that really interests me, a very good horse, won the cesarewitch last year on the flat, Martni has been very cautious with ti this year, has let it do f**k all, has entered it in a lot of races but pulled it loadsa times. At the minute it is the second reserve so it'll need a couple to pull out before it'll go. Maybe with the conditions the way they are it'll get in. Its racing tomorrow anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on July 30, 2008, 01:58:20 PM
Someone was telling me that Manyriverstocross is good e/w value in the 4.05 at Goodwood.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stevo-08 on July 30, 2008, 02:18:09 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 30, 2008, 01:45:41 PM

We were taking a lot in work on tony martin's two horses

Green Mile in the galway plate
Legspinner in the galway hurdle

Green Mile was the one people were saying they had got a tip for, says that it is a serious horse. Race is today at 3.40, current price (stan james) is 7/1

Leg Spinner is one that really interests me, a very good horse, won the cesarewitch last year on the flat, Martni has been very cautious with ti this year, has let it do f**k all, has entered it in a lot of races but pulled it loadsa times. At the minute it is the second reserve so it'll need a couple to pull out before it'll go. Maybe with the conditions the way they are it'll get in. Its racing tomorrow anyway.

Thanks Our Nail. Appreciate that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 30, 2008, 02:22:52 PM
Plus Stee if the price is higher than 4/1 make sure and back it each way so you will get your money back at least if it plaes. Don't go leach way less than 4/1 as you will lose your money, pointless.

There are some people in where I work reguarly back 2/1 shots each way and they won't listen when I tell them its not worth it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 30, 2008, 03:39:47 PM
Henrythenavigator obliges again, yet another group one, sixteen now

Did ya get on him magickingdom??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on July 30, 2008, 08:34:35 PM
i did nail but i went a little chicken! i was late getting to the bookie and when i saw he was at  4-11 i just put e20 win so i made the pricely sum of 7.27 profit. not bad tho still a profit, he barely won just like duke the last day but its some performance by aob/jm, stuff of legends really. roll on saturday...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on July 30, 2008, 08:50:35 PM
For those interested, there should be a decent show on BBC 1 at 9pm
Think it is about Betfair & laying horses to lose etc
Would say there will be a few dodgy characters floating about........
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 30, 2008, 08:52:28 PM
Quote from: full back on July 30, 2008, 08:50:35 PM
For those interested, there should be a decent show on BBC 1 at 9pm
Think it is about Betfair & laying horses to lose etc
Would say there will be a few dodgy characters floating about........

Oh yeah I had heard about that show fullback, gonna watch with interest, am a keen betfair punter myself, and I would lay quite a lot (horses). Its the way forward.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on July 30, 2008, 08:55:21 PM
Yeah Nail, should be good
Its the only thing I would use myself, to back & to lay
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 31, 2008, 11:33:21 AM
Any fancies for Galway? I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on July 31, 2008, 01:31:44 PM
there is a seperate thread for galway and goodwood at the minute lecale
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 31, 2008, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: kinghen on July 31, 2008, 01:31:44 PM
there is a seperate thread for galway and goodwood at the minute lecale

Ooooh, handbags!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on August 01, 2008, 01:11:29 AM
no handbags at all naill!!! fella was saying he was surprised no1 had mentioned galway, therefore i assumed he was interested in peoples opinions so it was simply guiding him in the direction of the other thread!! i didnt want any trouble like
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 02, 2008, 09:55:36 PM
i love jm/aob 5-1 today (even tho he was 7/2 when i put it on)! e20 each way and collected e125 profit. thanks for the list nail or i wouldnt have even known he was running..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on August 03, 2008, 02:43:26 AM
Well done Magic but I dunno why Manning had Lush Lashes in at the rail.He was by far the best horse in the race and would have won by 2-3 lengths with a clear run.
Kerry -3 points 2mrw at Even money with Boyles seems a cracking bet.Expect a backlash,I heard(mayb a stupid rumour)that Kerry had 3 boys in hospital after trainings in the last 2 weeks.
Also expect Fermanagh to edge it.We all seen what they did in Croke Park in 2004 and this a more experienced outfit.Kildare have improved but how good can they be if my own county Cavan could have bet them only for a ridiculous last minute goal.
Kerry -3 and Fermanagh to win.Good Double.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: laceer on August 03, 2008, 06:06:36 PM
Quote from: boojangles on August 03, 2008, 02:43:26 AM
Well done Magic but I dunno why Manning had Lush Lashes in at the rail.He was by far the best horse in the race and would have won by 2-3 lengths with a clear run.
Kerry -3 points 2mrw at Even money with Boyles seems a cracking bet.Expect a backlash,I heard(mayb a stupid rumour)that Kerry had 3 boys in hospital after trainings in the last 2 weeks.
Also expect Fermanagh to edge it.We all seen what they did in Croke Park in 2004 and this a more experienced outfit.Kildare have improved but how good can they be if my own county Cavan could have bet them only for a ridiculous last minute goal.
Kerry -3 and Fermanagh to win.Good Double.

hope u didn't lump on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 06, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
Auenschutze should win tonight, the trainer says so. Shit price though in the next at sligo, my boss' horse out over the next few says-inner voice its called, will post if i hear anything.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 06, 2008, 07:53:58 PM
Yup won very very easy there, didnt jump great but didnt need to, won by more than ten lengths i would say

Happy days as well drifted out to 2-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 06, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
i see aob got a horse going in the Airlington Millions in the states on saturday, this is a group 1race (or equivalent), anyone think hes worth a punt or is the travelling tough? aob is 2-7 for 25 group 1 winners now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
MICK FITZGERALD has announced his retirement from the saddle following the latest in a series of major injuries.

QuoteThe 38-year-old rider suffered serious neck damage and a problem with his knee ligament after a fall from L'Ami in the John Smith's Grand National in April.

He subsequently underwent two bouts of surgery to realign three vertebrae and two discs.

Fitzgerald had broken his neck in afall two years ago and has now been advised not to return to race-riding.

"I have had to take the advice of the medical experts and they are obviously correct," he said.

"I have had a great career in racing and am still heavily involved in the sport and that will continue.

"It's the news I didn't want. But I have always respected medical opinion. These people know best and I will accept their decision 100 per cent.

I will be giving up riding with a lump in my throat because it is a game I have loved all of my life.


"But I will still be involved in the game in many capacities. After all, racing has always been in my blood," he said.


Fitzgerald bagged a host of big races during his illustrious career, including the 1996 Grand National aboard Rough Quest and the 1999 Cheltenham Gold Cup on See More Business.      
Fitzgerald has enjoyed a long and successful partnership with trainer Nicky Henderson, riding the likes of Royal & SunAlliance Chase winner Trabolgan and Cheltenham specialist Fondmort for the Lambourn handler.

Henderson sad: "Sadly the time has come to make the decision to retire.

"There's lots of things he will be doing. His communications and his way with people is absolutely second to none.

"I am sure he can look forward to a long and fruitful, well not even retirement, as he still has a career ahead of him."

Weighing room colleague and champion jockey Tony McCoy paid his own tribute to Fitzgerald.

He said: "He will be very sadly missed. Over the last 12 or 14 years he been one of my best friends on and off the course.

"He was a brilliant jockey, good lad and a brilliant talker.

"It's sad but obviously after he broke his neck for the second time it was pretty obvious he would not be ridingagain, I think.

"It's sad for racing. Mentally it's not hard (to come back) as he's very strong but I think from a medical point of view, the doctors would not have let him come back and ride again.

"He was very strong in a finish, knew his form and rode over 1,000 winners as well as plenty of Cheltenham Festival winners. His record speaks for itself."

Pity, Mick was a great jockey... Though he did me out of Amaretto Rose in the supreme novices at cheltenham there two years ago!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 06, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
i see aob got a horse going in the Airlington Millions in the states on saturday, this is a group 1race (or equivalent), anyone think hes worth a punt or is the travelling tough? aob is 2-7 for 25 group 1 winners now

Yup its a group 1 alright. AOB doesn't have that great a record traveling over to America but this season he is in the form of his life. Mount Nelson has been put in second favourite, you can get him at 9/4 or 5/2... Archipenko is a very good horse though has won its last two races.

MN comes in on the back of winning the coral eclipse by a  short head, though it was a very poor group one by normal standards.

Only eight runners in the field though so is always worth a punt I think.

You will kick yourself MK if you dont back him and he wins!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on August 07, 2008, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 06, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
Auenschutze should win tonight, the trainer says so. Shit price though in the next at sligo, my boss' horse out over the next few says-inner voice its called, will post if i hear anything.

I've had Inner-Voice in my tracker since it was second to Afasheen in Roscommon a while back, stormed home late on in that race.  Anywho, I was away both times it ran since, winning once at 11/4 and placed in Perth (I think) at an e/w price so I missed the e-mails.  Was going to have a punt on it tonight anyway but any info would be appreciated Niall.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 11:41:00 AM
Quote from: jaykay on August 07, 2008, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 06, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
Auenschutze should win tonight, the trainer says so. Shit price though in the next at sligo, my boss' horse out over the next few says-inner voice its called, will post if i hear anything.

I've had Inner-Voice in my tracker since it was second to Afasheen in Roscommon a while back, stormed home late on in that race.  Anywho, I was away both times it ran since, winning once at 11/4 and placed in Perth (I think) at an e/w price so I missed the e-mails.  Was going to have a punt on it tonight anyway but any info would be appreciated Niall.

Remember that night at roscommon, had hit a fence early on and sorta gave up. Carberry got it going though, when he got off eh said to lambe that it would deffo win its next race, which it did, my boss gimme better odds on it as well that night it won! I backed it to a lesser extent the next time as it was back on the flat over a smaller distance but it did well and was just about beat.

Anyway its out tonight at sligo (7.20), about 11/2 6/1 at the minute so well worth an each way shout I owuld say, its also back up in trip to 2m4f

I will post if I hear anything from my boss later but hes not in today yet and might not be...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on August 07, 2008, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 11:41:00 AM
Quote from: jaykay on August 07, 2008, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 06, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
Auenschutze should win tonight, the trainer says so. Shit price though in the next at sligo, my boss' horse out over the next few says-inner voice its called, will post if i hear anything.

I've had Inner-Voice in my tracker since it was second to Afasheen in Roscommon a while back, stormed home late on in that race.  Anywho, I was away both times it ran since, winning once at 11/4 and placed in Perth (I think) at an e/w price so I missed the e-mails.  Was going to have a punt on it tonight anyway but any info would be appreciated Niall.

Remember that night at roscommon, had hit a fence early on and sorta gave up. Carberry got it going though, when he got off eh said to lambe that it would deffo win its next race, which it did, my boss gimme better odds on it as well that night it won! I backed it to a lesser extent the next time as it was back on the flat over a smaller distance but it did well and was just about beat.

Anyway its out tonight at roscommon, about 11/2 6/1 at the minute so well worth an each way shout I owuld say, its also back up in trip to 2m4f

I will post if I hear anything from my boss later but hes not in today yet and might not be...

Is it at Sligo?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 11:57:32 AM
Yep sorry sligo tonight at 7.20, my mistake was still thinking about that previous race i mentioned at ros
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 07, 2008, 05:16:35 PM
were you talking to your boss Nail ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 05:46:04 PM
Sorry deel but he wasn't in today! Luxuries of being a boss. I have backed it each way anyway, and got 11/2 on it earlier.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 07, 2008, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 06, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
i see aob got a horse going in the Airlington Millions in the states on saturday, this is a group 1race (or equivalent), anyone think hes worth a punt or is the travelling tough? aob is 2-7 for 25 group 1 winners now

Yup its a group 1 alright. AOB doesn't have that great a record traveling over to America but this season he is in the form of his life. Mount Nelson has been put in second favourite, you can get him at 9/4 or 5/2... Archipenko is a very good horse though has won its last two races.

MN comes in on the back of winning the coral eclipse by a  short head, though it was a very poor group one by normal standards.

Only eight runners in the field though so is always worth a punt I think.

You will kick yourself MK if you dont back him and he wins!

we'll do e20 ew on him nail, i'd hate to miss out! tho i do know irish/british horses dont generally do well in america...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 07:12:35 PM
Just got a text from the boss re inner voice, says lambe has told him that it will definitely place, I have abcked it in the place only market now on betfait as well as an each way bet earlier.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 07:28:31 PM
Inner Voice just won there, won well too, by about four lengths...

4/1 sp i think.

Nice little earner for me lambe has been, after last night as well, perks of having a rich boss who is in with the trainers!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on August 07, 2008, 07:39:51 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on August 07, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
Cheers Our Nail, Fiver e/w at 9/2 paid out £38 quid.  Nive wee lift, keep em coming.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 08, 2008, 09:47:47 AM
fair play nail got him at 9/2 as well happy days :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 07, 2008, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 06, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
i see aob got a horse going in the Airlington Millions in the states on saturday, this is a group 1race (or equivalent), anyone think hes worth a punt or is the travelling tough? aob is 2-7 for 25 group 1 winners now

Yup its a group 1 alright. AOB doesn't have that great a record traveling over to America but this season he is in the form of his life. Mount Nelson has been put in second favourite, you can get him at 9/4 or 5/2... Archipenko is a very good horse though has won its last two races.

MN comes in on the back of winning the coral eclipse by a  short head, though it was a very poor group one by normal standards.

Only eight runners in the field though so is always worth a punt I think.

You will kick yourself MK if you dont back him and he wins!

we'll do e20 ew on him nail, i'd hate to miss out! tho i do know irish/british horses dont generally do well in america...

Unlucky to miss out MK, finished third, heres the racing post report on the race

QuoteArlington Million (G1)
Arlington 1m2f turf


SPIRIT ONE recorded an all-the-way victory for France in the Arlington Million on Saturday night, holding on from hot favourite Archipenko and Mount Nelson to record a 1-2-3 for the visitors.

However, the 26th running of the celebrated $1 million contest ended in rancour as the runner-up's trainer Mike De Kock launched a tirade against the riding tactics of Johnny Murtagh on eventual third Mount Nelson.

The Eclipse winner's former Ballydoyle-trained stablemate Archipenko, a well-backed 6-5 market leader, was short of racing room for much of the straight, penned in on the fence before failing by three-quarters of a length to catch Spirit One, a near 14-1 shot.

"That's the most ungentlemanly piece of riding I've seen in a long time," said an angry De Kock.

"It was as if he was looking for our horse all the way round."

Murtagh has ridden regularly for the South African in the past in Dubai, notably on Asiatic Boy and Honour Devil. To add spice to the contretemps, he also rode Archipenko on his first outing for De Kock in Dubai in the spring.

"I'm very disappointed in Johnny," added De Kock.

"In my opinion, he rode his horse to keep us in rather than to actually win the race. There was no need for Johnny to keep us in like that."

Archipenko's rider Kevin Shea added fuel to the fire. "He should've won, no doubt about it," he suggested.

"Johnny hindered me the whole way round and twice pushed me into the fence.

"He had me trapped all the way around, and then when it was time to go I begged him to let me go and he wouldn't let me through."

With Spirit One out alone in front, Mount Nelson raced in second with Archipenko behind him on the rail. Although the latter seemed to be going the better of the pair turning for home, the O'Brien contender was not a spent force and was staying on under strong driving from Murtagh to take third, a length and a half behind Archipenko.

"I had a good trip," said Murtagh.

"I secured a pocket on the rail and was where I wanted to be. At the half-mile pole, I thought we were going to get there. We just couldn't get to the winner."

Spirit One may now be aimed for the Breeders' Cup. "Why not?" said trainer Philippe Demercastel.

"We'll take him home, give him time off and definitely come back to the US."

Mendizabal added: "This is a very good horse. I took the lead because I wanted to run my race and he responded very well for me. He quickened when I asked him to, so I never saw what was happening behind me."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on August 10, 2008, 12:41:41 PM
Marchand D'or looks a good thing today at Deauville.A top class Sprinter,going for its 4th Group 1 I believe. 11/8 at the moment.I think it was 3/1 last week.Will probably start at even money or worse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: boojangles on August 10, 2008, 12:41:41 PM
Marchand D'or looks a good thing today at Deauville.A top class Sprinter,going for its 4th Group 1 I believe. 11/8 at the moment.I think it was 3/1 last week.Will probably start at even money or worse.

Good shout there boojangles, brilliant sprinter, beat us ranger by a head at newmarket there a while back to win the darley july cup

11/10 at the minute though not much of a price... Think I will avoid it... Going for a bit of value in that race taking jumbajukiba (14/1) each way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 10, 2008, 04:31:52 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 10:56:17 AM
Unlucky to miss out MK, finished third, heres the racing post report on the race


yeah naill had e20 ew on him at 5-2, got back e30 so i lost e10. dont quite understand how they worked that amount out tho?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 04:45:03 PM
Quote from: boojangles on August 10, 2008, 12:41:41 PM
Marchand D'or looks a good thing today at Deauville.A top class Sprinter,going for its 4th Group 1 I believe. 11/8 at the moment.I think it was 3/1 last week.Will probably start at even money or worse.

Won 5/4 fav, good shout boojangles. My each way shout was nowhere, typical!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on August 10, 2008, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 04:45:03 PM
Quote from: boojangles on August 10, 2008, 12:41:41 PM
Marchand D'or looks a good thing today at Deauville.A top class Sprinter,going for its 4th Group 1 I believe. 11/8 at the moment.I think it was 3/1 last week.Will probably start at even money or worse.

Won 5/4 fav, good shout boojangles. My each way shout was nowhere, typical!

I was very very weary about taking on O Brien and Murtagh after getting nailed last week when I backed Lush Lashes but this is a different class of horse.Once it got the opening there was only gonna b one winner.Short odds but a winner is a winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 10, 2008, 04:31:52 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 10:56:17 AM
Unlucky to miss out MK, finished third, heres the racing post report on the race


yeah naill had e20 ew on him at 5-2, got back e30 so i lost e10. dont quite understand how they worked that amount out tho?

An each way bet is broke down into two parts...

You have the e20 on mount nelson to win at 5-2, and e20 on the horse to place at the place odds (we pay a quarter all races) so say 5-8. The win part of your bet is beat so you just have the place money. Seems like they have paid you 1/5 the odds for the place so you have your e20 on the horse to place at odds of 5-10, or 1-2.

e20 at 1-2 gives ya e30 back.

Said before you shouldn't go each way on a horse below 4-1, as if the horse places you won't even get your money back, at least on a 4-1, the place odds are gonna be even money and you will get your total stake back. This is in a shop paying a 1/4 the odds for a place. If only paying a fifth the odds then go each way on anything over 5-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 11, 2008, 06:14:58 PM
didnt know that nail, thanks...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 13, 2008, 10:39:49 AM
Some news for all of you who like me cannot wait til the national hunt season gets back under way!!

Cheltenham to host conditionals' contest
PROMISING young jump jockeys have been handed a great opportunity to display their talents on Totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup day.

A new race, the Conditionals' Hurdle, a handicap over an extended 2m4f, will be added to the top class card for the first time in March.

Cheltenham's director of racing Simon Claisse said: "We have long held the view that a race for the potential champion jockeys of the future would be a great addition to the Festival and a handicap for conditional jockeys was one of the races that was under close consideration when we first extended the meeting to four days.

"This will also be an opportunity for some of the large number of horses which are eliminated from the Coral Cup each year to have a run at the Festival."

Other changes to the 2009 Festival, being staged from March 10 to 13, include a first-race time of 1.30pm each day and the feature on all four days being the fourth race with a 3.20pm start.


So a half an hour earlier start each day at the festival. The article is a big ambiguous though, does this mean there will be one extra race only on gold cup day or every day??

Also War of Attrition being aimed for Down Royal, the James Nicholson Chase. the Listener will be over as well for it, and I think Nicholls is going to bring Neptune Collonges over too. Gonna be a very good renewal, NC had a great season finishing third in the gold cup then winning at punchestown... Plus will be interesting to see The Listeners first run out for his new yard after switching from the Alners, and War of Attrition coming back from injury. f**k I can't wait, flat racing is ok but nowhere near as good
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on August 13, 2008, 11:40:14 AM
26 races in total, 7 on the Wednesday and Friday, 6 each the other 2 days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 11:55:24 AM
Just watching Racing News here on ATR, news coming thorugh that AOB is thinking about taking Hebridean hurdling this season. Talk of it going fo rthe Champion Hurdle, which AOB has won three times already with Istabraq. Only a four year old I think so would near be better starting off going for thr Triumph Hurdle?

Alan King was on, said he thought Hebridean was smaller than Katchit, and was surprised by it...

Would be good to see AOB taking on the jumps boys again!

Just saw odds - 50/1 Champion, 16/1 Triumph
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Off The Fence on August 14, 2008, 12:00:12 PM
Any tips today Nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 12:03:43 PM
Quote from: Off The Fence on August 14, 2008, 12:00:12 PM
Any tips today Nail?

Na none as yet OTF, still early though! If there are any i will post them up here...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 06:11:20 PM
Tip in here for Chew It Over in the 6.45 at Tramore, its 14/1 at the minute everyone is doing it each way

I'm not backing it myself, skint here but just putting it up in case youse wanted to look at it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 06:11:20 PM
Tip in here for Chew It Over in the 6.45 at Tramore, its 14/1 at the minute everyone is doing it each way

I'm not backing it myself, skint here but just putting it up in case youse wanted to look at it...

Chew It Over third at 14/1... Favourite Dalavar won the race, went well but was never gonna beat the fave. 7/2 for the place wasnt bad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on August 14, 2008, 07:01:36 PM
Indeed in wasn't!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 14, 2008, 07:28:44 PM
ONL - You've been posting winners this last few weeks - how are ye skint?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 14, 2008, 07:28:44 PM
ONL - You've been posting winners this last few weeks - how are ye skint?

Holidays in thirteen days... Am saving for that, had to buy a loada new holiday clothes, plus money for a new passport, the list goes on!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on August 18, 2008, 03:19:25 PM
anyone know the story with the racing at wolverhampton?? i done a wee sneaky bet on my lunch for the 2;15, but cant get any results online??!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 03:23:02 PM
2:15
1 Welcome Approach 15-2
2 Willhewiz 4-1 Fav
3 Gone'n'dunnett 16-1
12 ran
Also: 40-1 Tadlil 4th
NR: 7
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on August 18, 2008, 03:27:04 PM
happy dees,

gone n dunnett e/w

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 03:31:05 PM
Best site for quick results

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/settlers.html

The results go into this page as quick as they come up on the settlers page in your local bookies, I always have it open in work as I can't see the tv screens!!

Did ya notice when you were over hen if there was betting for the rescheduled championship matches?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on August 18, 2008, 03:36:15 PM
them boys have 2 shops in the town, i was in the small wee quinzer finger one, didnt see any up, normally see them over in the other shop, might take another wee run over now, can go to the other oone and check for ya??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 03:45:56 PM
Aye go on hen, it would be good for ya getting a wee run out! Get all the betting down, would get cokesy but don;t think hes workin...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on August 18, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
michael stoute has a newcomer in the 2nd race at windsor tonight. I think it will win. Im going to have a pound at least on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on August 18, 2008, 04:31:57 PM
    2/7 mayobridge    7/1  clonduff 9/4

   5/6 bridge -5     8/1    clonduff +5 5/6

  4/7  rostrevor   7/1     l'island  6/4



glad i went over now our naill, threw a sneaky 5er on rio guru there at wolverhampton 8/1, this is my best run of bets in a long time, lifted over 100 quid this weekend, all £5 bets too!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: man in black on August 18, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
michael stoute has a newcomer in the 2nd race at windsor tonight. I think it will win. Im going to have a pound at least on it.

My Superstar 9/2 first show...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: man in black on August 18, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
michael stoute has a newcomer in the 2nd race at windsor tonight. I think it will win. Im going to have a pound at least on it.

My Superstar 9/2 first show...


Nowhere, unlucky man in black, one pound down!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 06:59:05 PM
Group One time tomoro Magickingdom!!

The Juddmonte at York and AOB has two runners, Duke of Marmalade and Red Rock Canyon

RRC is 100/1 and is obvoiusly just in there to make the running. Duke is 5/4, would have been odds on but for the rain and the ground softening up. Seems to be more suiting new approach who is a 13/8 shout at the min. There was talk that duke wouldnt even go but it def is now AOB came out today and said
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 07:16:04 PM
Another two group ones this week at york

Thursday - Yorkshire oaks

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/yorkshire-oaks

Ice Queen is AOB's only one in the betting here, 8/1 shot. Came second in the irish oaks with the run of her life at 66/1. Don't know if it can win here, think this race will be between Passage of Time and Lush Lashes...

Friday - Nunthorpe Stakes

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/nunthorpe-stakes

AOB has US Ranger in this race, also Abraham Lincoln but he looks to be a pace setter.

Think its best to steer clear of AOB here this week magickingdom!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 18, 2008, 07:25:07 PM
i was reading up on it yesterday nail, the duke hates the rain and we've had plenty of that! think i'll sit out the week alright...  maybe a little e20 on the duke but thats it..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 07:39:18 PM
I was thinking about that as well, I have won enough on the duke to stay loyal...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on August 19, 2008, 08:23:57 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: man in black on August 18, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
michael stoute has a newcomer in the 2nd race at windsor tonight. I think it will win. Im going to have a pound at least on it.

My Superstar 9/2 first show...


Nowhere, unlucky man in black, one pound down!


Beans on toast for the rest of the month
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 19, 2008, 11:31:50 AM
Day 1 at York abandoned....

DAY one of York's Ebor Festival has been abandoned due to a waterlogged track.

Wednesday's fixture is also in doubt, with officials having called a 4pm inspection for this afternoon.

Heavy overnight rain on the Knavesmire left today's meeting untenable after an 8.30am inspection was called early this morning.

This afternoon's six-race card was set to feature a mouthwatering duel between Duke Of Marmalade and New Approach in the Group 1 Juddmonte International Stakes. Officials hope to run that contest and the Great Voltigeur later in the week.

Clerk of the course William Derby accepted he was left with no option but to abandon.

He said: "We've abandoned racing for today following 11mm of overnight rain.       
"There has also been continuing rain this morning, which started up again at around 8am.

"We will also hold an inspection at 4pm for racing for the rest of the week."

Derby is, however, investigating the possibility of rescheduling Tuesday's three Group races for later in the week.

"We are looking at the feasibility with the British Horseracing Authority and other parties at staging today's Group races later this week," he added.

"We will make an announcement on this issue later in the day."

Racegoers who bought tickets for today's abandoned meeting will not lose their money.

Advance booked general admission badges and tickets will be automatically refunded for the fixture.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tieroan on August 19, 2008, 01:47:38 PM
Check out Wee Ziggy 6.55pm at Southwell. 33/1 into 12s at the minute.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on August 19, 2008, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: tieroan on August 19, 2008, 01:47:38 PM
Check out Wee Ziggy 6.55pm at Southwell. 33/1 into 12s at the minute.

WEE ZIGGY...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tieroan on August 19, 2008, 07:08:13 PM
Wee Ziggy was 3rd. Drifted back out to 16s. I do not punt anymore unfortunatley
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 19, 2008, 07:14:17 PM
Lads any of use who like a gamble check out the ohter thread illdecide started there isa link in it to get £20 free chips for ladbrokes casino, you can gamble it up then transfer it over for the horses or whatever.

There is no deposit required either. Free money!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 05:32:23 PM
Tip here for Charlies Double in the 5.55 at fontwell

was 10/1 about twenty mins ago, 9/1 on stan james now

Do what you will... I have just stuck tenner each way on it, sorta skint...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on August 21, 2008, 05:36:59 PM
I said the same thing to him yesterday when he stuck a score on a dog
yet he is looking his Ma to pay his credit union bill  :D


BTW, that horse is 12/1 on Betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 05:41:58 PM
My mas got more money than me! I am skint as I am going away on wednesday

I just did it each way in the hope thta it will place, the wans in backing it aren't regulars so they werent too keen to share where they got the info
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 21, 2008, 05:47:28 PM
Got it at 11s in McLean's there. Ya better be right Nail.................
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 05:56:25 PM
Hi don't be putting me under that sorta pressure!

The last four or five wans I have posted up here have either own or placed so ya can go and f**k paddy!!

;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 06:01:14 PM
Sorry lads, fifth  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 21, 2008, 06:02:52 PM
Quote5.55    Fontwell
1st    5 Follow Your Heart (IRE)    7-1
2nd    6 Keltic Lord    5-1 JF
3rd    4 Thenameescapesme    11-1

That's my night out down the tubes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 21, 2008, 06:02:52 PM
Quote5.55    Fontwell
1st    5 Follow Your Heart (IRE)    7-1
2nd    6 Keltic Lord    5-1 JF
3rd    4 Thenameescapesme    11-1

That's my night out down the tubes.

You'll be out!

PS Hardstation I'll give ya a winner when I am back from my holidays!! How much ya lose if ya mind me asking??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 06:14:31 PM
Which Grahams?? The one beside the hatfield?? The polish bird who used to work with us is working there now, f**k she is useless! I cant wait til i get in there some day, I am gonna steal prices and try it on with late bets like f**k...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 21, 2008, 06:18:41 PM
Why didnt you boys bet Follow your heart? It was the winner?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 06:19:26 PM
Cuz I was telling them to back charlie fuckface!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 21, 2008, 06:21:34 PM
Why could the commentator not remember one of the horses name? They should sack him for that.

The other month on racing UK famed commentator and horse racing expert Mike Cattermole called out the wrong name of a horse the whole race, wrongly declared it to be winning cost the in running punters on betfair an estimated £80,000. They were all listening in and punting like f**k on the so called leader only for Catt to apologise after!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on August 21, 2008, 10:31:55 PM
Running the cancelled races from York at other courses over Friday and Sat...Any tips now boys?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 24, 2008, 12:55:07 PM
what about that duke!!! i know your busy partying nail but i hope you put a few bob on him before you left... had e40 win at 4/5 so i'm happy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 24, 2008, 01:08:05 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 24, 2008, 12:55:07 PM
what about that duke!!! i know your busy partying nail but i hope you put a few bob on him before you left... had e40 win at 4/5 so i'm happy

Na I am not away til wednesday! Aye I had backed the duke as well myself, another group one, murtagh some jockey. I had also layed New Approach on betfair as I heard it had been trained on the treadmills this week, knew that wouldn't be good!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 24, 2008, 01:09:44 PM
The pair set to meet again, looks liek more money for the duke

Leopardstown rematch for Champion duo

DUKE OF MARMALADE and Derby hero New Approach are set to meet once again in the Tattersalls Millions Irish Champion Stakes next month after the former ruled supreme in the Juddmonte Internationalat Newmarket.

The rescheduled clash of the generations spiced up what may have otherwise been a low-key afternoon at the course, and Duke Of Marmalade was brilliant as he scooped up his fifth Group 1 win of the season.

The King George winner was dropping back to a mile and a quarter under Johnny Murtagh, and there was no doubt of the regard in which he is held after his three-quarter-length success over the luckless Phoenix Tower.
His stablemate Red Rock Canyon towed the field through the early stages as Duke Of Marmalade sat handy, with New Approach pulling hard on his return from injury.

Jim Bolger's Classic winner was never in a position to challenge once the race began in earnest and had to settle for third.

O'Brien, winning his 18th Group 1 of the summer, said: "He is so special that you wonder if he is flesh and blood. If horses were made out of concrete and stone he would be made out of something harder.

"He had a very messy week as he came to England, spent a couple of hours here and then flew back.

"I was nervous as I wasn't sure what would happen, but it is a credit to those people who made it happen and it just shows what can happen when people get together.
      
"He is just one of those very special horses, and you can see that yourself.

"He will never win too far, which is probably to his advantage.

"If all is well with him the plan will be to go Leopardstown with him in two weeks for the Irish Champion Stakes." Murtagh added: "I had to wait an extra couple of days for it but it turned out to be a great race.

"He is so solid, so genuine and always turns up the same.

"His work is good, his temperament is good and when he turns up at the races you can guarantee he is going to put upa performance like that.

"I got a lovely run up the inside and got there sooner than I wanted to be. But I knew that when I asked for maximum effort that he would pull it out for me up the hill."

Bolger said of New Approach: "He's beaten but definitely not battered. He ran a good race and is obviously on the way back.

"We'll regroup and I'm sure you'll see a different horse in two weeks' time, I'm not using the ground as an excuse.

"It will be Leopardstown next for the Irish Champion Stakes."

William Hill trimmed Duke Of Marmalade into 4-5 from even money for the rematch, while New Approach is out to 100-30.


Betting - http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/irish-champion-stakes
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 25, 2008, 12:21:04 PM
My boss' horse Inner Voice out today, 4.50 at downpatrick... It is around 7/1, up against that Green Mile that was fancied for the galway plate, was a tip around lurgan and other places as well, think t o hare was saying everyone in the bridhe was backing it...

Anyway the boss says it should place so I have backed it each way at 15/2...

Betting here - http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/downpatrick/16:50
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Off The Fence on August 25, 2008, 12:35:02 PM
What price is the GReen Mile at the minute Nail?

Any other fancies in D'patrick today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 25, 2008, 12:59:59 PM
Green mile 2/1 most places, 5/2 with will hill
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 25, 2008, 01:05:57 PM
Also I fancy Conker Nails, the fave in the 3.40. Its about 7/4... Not a tip I am just gonna do it, Ruby on it...

Another personal favourite of mine... Dirtybirdie in the 5.25 2nd fave at around 4/1

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 25, 2008, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 25, 2008, 01:05:57 PM
Also I fancy Conker Nails, the fave in the 3.40. Its about 7/4... Not a tip I am just gonna do it, Ruby on it...

Another personal favourite of mine... Dirtybirdie in the 5.25 2nd fave at around 4/1



Downpatrick 3.40  Full Result 

1st  7 Spanish Parade (IRE)  11-2 
2nd  2 Baguenaud (FR)  8-1 
3rd  9 Banian (FR) 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 25, 2008, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on August 25, 2008, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 25, 2008, 01:05:57 PM
Also I fancy Conker Nails, the fave in the 3.40. Its about 7/4... Not a tip I am just gonna do it, Ruby on it...

Another personal favourite of mine... Dirtybirdie in the 5.25 2nd fave at around 4/1



Downpatrick 3.40  Full Result 

1st  7 Spanish Parade (IRE)  11-2 
2nd  2 Baguenaud (FR)  8-1 
3rd  9 Banian (FR) 


Rub it in sure! I was only saying I fancy it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 25, 2008, 05:24:25 PM
Went to back that horse of your bosses Nail but lucky enough I'd thought the race was at 5 40 not 4 50 so at 5 o'clock I got the news it had already been beat!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 25, 2008, 06:56:13 PM
Aye finished fourth, ah well only had ten each way on it, didnt go mad!

Raging they restricted the race to fifteen runners, if it had one more they would have paid the fourth place and would have got it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 04, 2008, 04:37:22 PM
Right ONL I know your only home but start getting the tips up again..... I missed ye son!!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: down_head on September 04, 2008, 05:35:43 PM
any tips?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 04, 2008, 06:52:30 PM
I am not back into work til tomorrow night.... Havent looked at a horse in over a week!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 04, 2008, 06:53:18 PM
Except that young filly you rode on the beach.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 04, 2008, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 04, 2008, 06:53:18 PM
Except that young filly you rode on the beach.

Scandalous!!

Lucky I didnt see sand the whole week else this could be slander!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on September 05, 2008, 10:19:40 AM
Anyone for Leopardstown tomorrow?  Few of us heading down & staying overnight then onto Croke on sunday!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 05, 2008, 11:47:26 AM
ive decided to cut back on th betting for a while.
gonna limit myself to wee football accum at weekend (no more than 5teams from now on, bristol city drew last week to let me down, 7 teams won!!!)

plus maybe on my lunch break gonna limit myself to a 2/3pound bet, thinkin doin doubles, trebles etc just to keep me interested in work for the afternoon, checkin results and wat not,

so if any of you have any fancies today then let me know and i might stick it on my double/treble!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 05, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
Try these 2 Kinghen-Olynard 3.20 Lingfield Diriculous 3.50 Lingfield
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 05, 2008, 12:55:32 PM
cheers boojangles, i'll check them out!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 05, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
Haydock under threat tomorrow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 05, 2008, 02:03:57 PM
Thank f**k kilbeggan is off, easier night for me now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on September 05, 2008, 02:12:21 PM
If moved to sunday......decisions decisions for me!!! ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 05, 2008, 03:00:17 PM
WAY I SEE IT, THERE'S ONL 1 SHF EACH YEAR, SHOULD BE A CRACKER TOO, THERE'LL BE OTHER DAYS AT THE RACE!!

PLUS IF WEATHER PERSISTS HORSES WONT RUN BUT THE MEN FROM KILKENNY AND WATERFORD WILL!


PS DIDNT MEAN TO SHOUT, NEED TO HAVE CAPS LOCK ON FOR WORK AND FORGOT TO TAKE THEM OFF
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on September 05, 2008, 03:38:14 PM
3:20 - Lingfield 
Azwa 16/1
Olynard 4/6
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on September 05, 2008, 03:43:26 PM
apparently on www.oddschecker.com they have betting on the chances of meetings being on/off tomorrow.

I can't access the site in work.  Can anyone check and see what prices they are giving for Leopardstown out of curiosity.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on September 05, 2008, 03:53:00 PM
OFFICIALS at Leopardstown will hold a 7am inspection to assess the prospects for their high-profile Saturday meeting.

The bumper eight-race card is due to feature two Group 1 contests in the Tattersalls Millions Champion Stakes and the Coolmore Fusaichi Pegasus Matron Stakes but is now in some doubt.

The track was hit by a deluge of rain Friday morning and although it stopped briefly during the afternoon, more is forecast and general manager Tom Burke is hoping for a largely dry night.

"We will have an inspection at 7am and we have had 45 millimetres of rain between 4am and 2pm," said Burke.

"There are bits of casual water on the track but that wouldn't be unusual when you get so much rainin a short period of time.
"We had a similar experience before our last meeting and we raced fine.

"It stopped raining at around 2pm but there is a risk of further showers tonight, although they tell me it should not be as bad as what we've had.

"Most of the track is surprisingly in good condition so we will have to see what the night brings."

Burke described the current going as soft and reassured racegoers that contingency plans are already in place for the card to be take place on Sunday should it fall foul to the elements.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on September 05, 2008, 04:05:34 PM
For girt


"The Irish Champion Stakes meeting was backed at 1/7 to get the all clear when the market opened, but following a morning deluge (of rain at the track, and money on Betfair) the meeting has been backed at a low of 11/10 to be abandoned.

The current betting is 1/2 for the meeting to go ahead, and 13/8 to be called off."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 09, 2008, 10:45:42 PM
Great feature on Paul Nicholls in te racing post today did any of you see it?

Says AOB has inspired him to try to bag both the irish and brit trainer c'ship! Says if AOB can do it why cant he!

Denman is 60kg overweight at this stage also!! But says he shud be ok for the hennessy, also lists some top class chasers who would run off bottom weight (10st) if te tank runs: joe lively, alberttas run, big bucks, knowhere, new alco, air force one, roll along, battlecry

would be great to see

Heres some special odds they had posted up

-train 123 in chelt gold cup (again) 10-1 (pp)
-champ trainer in ireland 6-1 (blue sq)
-champ trainer in ire and brit 3-1 (willhill) why take this when 6s is available for just ireland above?!??
-win champ hurdle 6-1 (pp, willhill) (has prospects such as pierrot lumaire, celestial halo, rippling ring)
-win champ hurdle, champ chase, gold cup 10-1 (blue sq)
-no winner at cheltenham festival 25-1 (pp)
-denman to win hennessy and gold cup 3-1 (coral)
-denman for hennessy 15-8 (willhill)
-denamn for hennessy, gold cup and national 33-1 (pp)
-repeat champ chase and gold cup double 5-4 (willhill)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on September 09, 2008, 11:02:01 PM
That would be bad news for Irish trainers, but good news for those of us who attend NH meetings in Ireland!!

I wouldn't chance the Champion Hurdle one myself, has he won this yet??

Testament to his dominance of top class chasers that only 5/4 that he will do Champion Chase / Gold Cup double again, I wouldn't be laying that myself!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 10, 2008, 12:31:22 AM
Na don't think he had won the champ hurdle

TRhat pierrot lumaire won well at aintrie though in the novice hurdle event this year but the champ hurdle is dadly to call at the min with wee katchit, sublimity to come back, sizing europe staying over hurdles, maybe harchibald again, brave inca is back in training! The novices from last year as well captain cee bee and binocular, as well as osana, that race is a mine field!

Ya would think the gold cup is in his hands with akuto and denman, even neptune was going good as well.Said in racing post today that master minded has got stronger which is frightening for 2milers after last years champ chase (lets forget aintree-cost me a few hundred!!)

I love nicholls, his column in te racing post was great every sat, no bullshit and he told the truth,  remember reading the week he said master minded had caught his eye in the gallops with kauto and voila it won with its dick out, fair play.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 10, 2008, 12:33:38 AM
forgive spelling i have been drinking
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 10, 2008, 04:09:54 PM
done two placepots today (both at uttoxeter, done 2 because only one horse has let me down the last 2 days)

14:25 william butler 1st, robert the brave 3rd
14:55 golden feather 1st, i'm your man 2nd
15:30 rawaabeet 1st, temple place 2nd
16:05 winter star, wild tonto
16:45 lace your boots, andrew nick
17:10 loom, jim bobs girl


so far both bets still going after first 3 races, would be happy if just 1 of them came in!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 10, 2008, 05:25:11 PM
Quote from: kinghen on September 10, 2008, 04:09:54 PM
done two placepots today (both at uttoxeter, done 2 because only one horse has let me down the last 2 days)

14:25 william butler 1st, robert the brave 3rd
14:55 golden feather 1st, i'm your man 2nd
15:30 rawaabeet 1st, temple place 2nd
16:05 winter star 2ND , wild tonto didnt place  >:(
16:45 lace your boots , andrew nick 1st
17:10 loom, jim bobs girl 3rd


so far both bets still going after first 3 races, would be happy if just 1 of them came in!!



edit; got one of my placepots up! does anyone know how to work out the winnings???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Whacker on September 11, 2008, 04:02:05 PM
Well Kinghen, how did you fare up with the winnings?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 11, 2008, 10:16:38 PM
43.40 he got! Had been doing bigger placepots all week but getting dicked so reduced his stake and got one up!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 12, 2008, 11:28:25 AM
thinkin about another placepot today!!  ;D but fancy a few of mccoys rides in bangor as well, sure its the weekend, ill live a little

doncaster:
senor mirasol
laterly
royal & regal
golden rosie
spacious
golden sword

maybe do a mccoy double at bangor as well; berrings express, native city,
(oh and maybe wee pug face thornton in the 1st on all lit up)

happy betting fellow gamblers!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on September 12, 2008, 12:07:17 PM
been waiting on this horse sine July got it at 6/4 earlier in the week and will probably will go off on odds on tomorrow.

1st race at doncaster - ZACINTO
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on September 14, 2008, 06:14:31 PM
phew! that was close.. anyone else on mastercraftsman? had e40 win got back E90 (9/4) not bad :D thats me up about e400 following aob/jm/group 1 the past 6-7 weeks or so. did you have anything on him nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 17, 2008, 01:02:33 PM
placpot for today

sandown
race:
1: jubilee juggins
2:barbary boy
3: wingwalker
4:ra junior/fourwinds
5:rhadegunda
6:maybe i will

fingers crossed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 17, 2008, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: kinghen on September 17, 2008, 01:02:33 PM
placpot for today

sandown
race:
1: jubilee juggins (3RD)
2:barbary boy (3RD)
3: wingwalker (1ST)
4:ra junior(2ND)/fourwinds (1ST)
5:rhadegunda(1ST)
6:maybe i will

fingers crossed

WAITING ON THE LAST RACE, AGAIN, ALWAYS THE ONE TO LET ME DOWN, LOOKS LIKE ITS GOING TO GO IN AS FAVOURITE, COULD REALLY USE A FEW EXTRA EURO FOR PINTS IN DUBLIN ON SUNDAY!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 19, 2008, 09:55:28 AM
Quote from: kinghen on September 17, 2008, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: kinghen on September 17, 2008, 01:02:33 PM
placpot for today

sandown
race:
1: jubilee juggins (3RD)
2:barbary boy (3RD)
3: wingwalker (1ST)
4:ra junior(2ND)/fourwinds (1ST)
5:rhadegunda(1ST)
6:maybe i will

fingers crossed

WAITING ON THE LAST RACE, AGAIN, ALWAYS THE ONE TO LET ME DOWN, LOOKS LIKE ITS GOING TO GO IN AS FAVOURITE, COULD REALLY USE A FEW EXTRA EURO FOR PINTS IN DUBLIN ON SUNDAY!!

You from tyrone kinghen???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 19, 2008, 10:11:54 AM
na im a down man our naill, and proud to be from the only county to have beaten tyrone this year in the ch'ship!! surely im not the only neutral to head down to dublin for all ireland sunday! its a great day no matter what teams are playin!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 19, 2008, 02:20:35 PM
Neutral? Nah.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on September 19, 2008, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 19, 2008, 02:20:35 PM
Neutral? Nah.

to be honest i have money on tyrone minors to win and for kerry to win the sfc, so ill be hopin for a kerry win!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 23, 2008, 01:59:04 PM
Press the Button is running today at 5.20 in Folkestone - tomorrow the horse is going to Alan King's stable to go chasing, I have a niche for it today given I had £300 on it this day last year in the same race - 9/2 winner!!lol
Watch the market if it is backed get on it - wearing Armagh colours as well for Brian McAtavey
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on September 28, 2008, 03:30:35 PM
I am going for a few pints this evening out of my winnings when Miss Puss comes in first in the 4.15 at the Curragh. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on September 28, 2008, 06:01:00 PM
(http://www.lilmoxie.com/catalog/images/maiden%20voyage%20005.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: john mcgill on September 28, 2008, 06:13:33 PM
Bud I guess your glass is less than half empty!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 02, 2008, 12:06:01 PM
Why is it closing? I suppose it's hard to sustain 3 large courses in Kerry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on October 02, 2008, 01:59:22 PM
done a wee lucky 15 today: wish me luck!!!

goodwood 14:10; noverre to go
goodwood 15:20 norfolk broads
newmarket 15:45; wingwalker
newmarket 16:55 angus newz
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 02, 2008, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: kinghen on October 02, 2008, 01:59:22 PM
done a wee lucky 15 today: wish me luck!!!

goodwood 14:10; noverre to go
goodwood 15:20 norfolk broads
newmarket 15:45; wingwalker
newmarket 16:55 angus newz

Reminds me of 'Hey Darth thats no Vader treat a lady!'
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on October 02, 2008, 03:32:05 PM
noverre to treat a lady finished 3rd!!  :(

although norfolk broads just won, im i right in my thinkin that should my last 2 horse also win i will get paid out on the treble, 3 doubles and the singles???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 02, 2008, 03:44:16 PM
Yup three winners: 3 singles, 3 doubles and a treble...

Think you will just get the one though hen judging by your normal standards, triple the odds is your friend!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on October 03, 2008, 08:19:20 AM
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Good Man John McGill, the glass was left empty allright.  Jockey said he was held up and had no way out of it. Miss Puss will give us another day. I hear a certain trainer is having all his horses taken off him and is gone bust.
BTW. Thanks for the Premium Tickets for the hurling - had a great day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on October 03, 2008, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on October 02, 2008, 03:44:16 PM
Yup three winners: 3 singles, 3 doubles and a treble...

Think you will just get the one though hen judging by your normal standards, triple the odds is your friend!!

what do ya mean?? turns out i did have just the 1 winner!! soes that mean i still get something back? do i get triple the odds back on just that horse??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 03, 2008, 09:50:37 AM
If it's a luck 15 you usually get treble the odds if you have only one winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on October 03, 2008, 09:53:55 AM
at least ill get some of my money back then! thought it was a beaten docket, maybe stick what i get back on a wee placepot today then! cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 03, 2008, 09:10:36 PM
stack of group i races with the aob/jm combo this w/e, anyone got any particular fancys
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 03, 2008, 09:26:43 PM
I am more excited about the national hunt and the return of the king!!!

I will look at the flat scrap tomoro though....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on October 05, 2008, 04:52:46 PM
Zarkava....what a filly !!! disappointed with the duke's run but cant take nothing away from zarkava
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 05, 2008, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu08 on October 05, 2008, 04:52:46 PM
Zarkava....what a filly !!! disappointed with the duke's run but cant take nothing away from zarkava
Zarkavas turn of pace was something else.Got the feeling from Ballydoyle earlier in the week that the ground wouldnt suit the Duke,thats why I backed Soldier of Fortune whom i thought was coming good with about 300 to go but then Zarkava kicked and game over!
Forgot to back Marchand D'or who I had followed since July. 2/1 was a great price for the best Sprinter around.
Bring on the National Hunt season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on October 06, 2008, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: boojangles on October 05, 2008, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu08 on October 05, 2008, 04:52:46 PM
Zarkava....what a filly !!! disappointed with the duke's run but cant take nothing away from zarkava
Zarkavas turn of pace was something else.Got the feeling from Ballydoyle earlier in the week that the ground wouldnt suit the Duke,thats why I backed Soldier of Fortune whom i thought was coming good with about 300 to go but then Zarkava kicked and game over!
Forgot to back Marchand D'or who I had followed since July. 2/1 was a great price for the best Sprinter around.
Bring on the National Hunt season.

true...had more than enough of lottery (i mean flat) racing.....national hunt should be a cracker this year, already cant wait for cheltenham...some amazing horses in training Interesting to see the return of the so called "fat" denman for the g/cup and master minded against voy por
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 08, 2008, 11:02:09 AM
Not a great idea imo, used to love the first day, three cracking races to start with, supreme novices then the arkle then the champ hurdle...

Diluting more and more
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on October 09, 2008, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on October 03, 2008, 08:19:20 AM
(http://)

Jockey said he was held up and had no way out of it. Miss Puss will give us another day.

heading for the wee county AW tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 09, 2008, 04:43:47 PM
The Triumph Hurdle 2009 winner ran today....

Only joking but it was a very good performance and wouldn't put it past the trainer/jockey...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on October 09, 2008, 04:45:22 PM
Any word on Mr Puss tomorrow bud?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 10, 2008, 01:38:15 PM
Tip for Pass Th Vodka in the first at ireland today

Also told to watch all bets for myfrenchconnection at wolver later
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 10, 2008, 02:34:59 PM
Kilbeggan 2.25   

1st  9 Monty Blue (IRE)  7-2 JF 
2nd  12 Talkin' Tough (IRE)  12-1 
3rd  10 Oh So Humbel (IRE)  8-1 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 10, 2008, 02:49:57 PM
f**k sake... Bad start to the weekend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 10, 2008, 02:52:26 PM
Recoop my losses on ruby here....

edited for shit spelling
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 10, 2008, 03:05:03 PM
Thats worser!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 10, 2008, 05:39:14 PM
Parsons Pistol here to save my weekend!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on October 10, 2008, 05:46:05 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on October 10, 2008, 05:39:14 PM
Parsons Pistol here to save my weekend!!!!

Had the wonner 3.30  rochforde bridge  Barry Gerriaty £10 ew...Walked straight out

Great start to the weekend!
Title: Re: 5-35 Cill Bheagáin
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 10, 2008, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: drici on October 10, 2008, 05:44:07 PM
The Sherrif gives him a run for it.
Good result for the Getter Outers.

Give him a very good run for a 25/1 shot... The owners get the forecast

Thats my weekend back on!

6/1 shot Pat, nice one... Hope you did it in Frenchs
Title: Re: 5-35 Cill Bheagáin
Post by: The Watcher Pat on October 10, 2008, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on October 10, 2008, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: drici on October 10, 2008, 05:44:07 PM
The Sherrif gives him a run for it.
Good result for the Getter Outers.

Give him a very good run for a 25/1 shot... The owners get the forecast

Thats my weekend back on!

6/1 shot Pat, nice one... Hope you did it in Frenchs

No the crown Belfast...Dont care where it comes from as long as i'm getting it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 13, 2008, 07:49:34 PM
Kauto heading to Down Royal lads... Can't wait, going masel... Very good line up

QuotePAUL NICHOLLS, fresh from his Munster National success with Dear Villez at Limerick on Sunday, has 2007 Gold Cup winner Kauto Star and Turko among the 19 entries for the JNWine.com Champion Chase at Down Royal on November 1.

Nicholls won the race last year with Taranis and the Grade 1 event over 3m has also attracted three other British-trained entries - Air Force One (Charlie Mann), Turpin Green (Nicky Richards) and The Listener (Nick Mitchell).

The home team is headed by Kicking King, runner-up in 2004 before winning the Gold Cup the following year. He is also entered at Punchestown on Thursday. Other notable entries include Munster National runner-up Mister Top Notch and Willie Mullins' Snowy Morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 03:06:00 PM
Excellent racing today at punchestown...

Return of War of Attrition from the 2006 lexus, against kicking king who I think is finished now and watson lake who is giving weight to the pair...

Also excellent hurdler Trafford Lad goes chasing today, have to fancy it against Kalderon...

Thats my double anyway...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on October 16, 2008, 03:24:29 PM
Have you had any money for a horse called Richo at Great Leighs tonight nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: under the bar on October 16, 2008, 03:50:29 PM
QuoteExcellent racing today at punchestown...

Return of War of Attrition from the 2006 lexus, against kicking king who I think is finished now and watson lake who is giving weight to the pair...

What time are they up?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 16, 2008, 04:00:53 PM
4:45
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 04:15:25 PM
Quote from: full back on October 16, 2008, 03:24:29 PM
Have you had any money for a horse called Richo at Great Leighs tonight nail?

Thursday is my day off sorry full back... I will ring in and see though...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 04:23:57 PM
Very tight finish... Trafford Lad jumped well but was bit shaky toward the end

Stewards inquiry called after a bit of argie bargie down the straight!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: full back on October 16, 2008, 03:24:29 PM
Have you had any money for a horse called Richo at Great Leighs tonight nail?

No interest at all for that horse full back, not even one single bet on it... Only in a few yankees/lucky fifteens, which means f**k all... You get a word for it?

Form isn't great     451038

Racing Post Spotlight:

Looked progressive when grinding out win over stiff 7f on turf in summer; not had same test of stamina since in nurseries, so too soon to be writing him off now upped in trip, but reluctance to go to post last time of some concern and probably bit to find overall.

Think I will avoid it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 04:44:40 PM
Anyone know if Grahams pay out double result?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 04:47:11 PM
Happy days and I think Grahams pay out double result...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on October 16, 2008, 04:52:41 PM
Aye, the form seems pretty sh1te on Ricoh, nail
Was 16/1 earlier so might do something ew as this boy had a winner & 2nd in the last 2 'tips' (I wasnt told about these mind you  :-\ )
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 04:57:55 PM
Got the earlies as well so had 6/5 on trafford lad and 13/8 on WoA
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 05:03:19 PM
Had a sneaky tenner on war at 70/1 for the gold cup on betfair in july, its in to 20/1 now... Might wait til it goes down a bit more then trade it out, don't think it will have enough to win but was very impressive today

News through that kalderon seems ok on at the races
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on October 16, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
Anyone hear about Castle Bar Sling running tomorrow in Tipp or what odds it is? 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 07:44:30 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on October 16, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
Anyone hear about Castle Bar Sling running tomorrow in Tipp or what odds it is? 

9/1 on betfair...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ExiledGael on October 16, 2008, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 07:44:30 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on October 16, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
Anyone hear about Castle Bar Sling running tomorrow in Tipp or what odds it is? 

9/1 on betfair...

Is this worth investing in?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 08:29:55 PM
Maybe Bud will let us know?

Great Leighs 8.20    
1st 7 Atabaas Allure (FR) 4-1 F
2nd 1 Rapid Release (CAN) 8-1
3rd 4 Tobond (IRE) 9-2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 16, 2008, 08:32:21 PM
Rip Van Winkle for Dewhurst as record bid goes to the wire


AIDAN O'BRIEN has confirmed Rip Van Winkle is on course for Saturday's Dewhurst Stakes at Newmarket, which could turn out to be a vital date for those hoping the champion trainer will break the world record for Group One wins in a year.

A month ago O'Brien was being quoted at odds of as short as 1 to 8 to break Bobby Frankel's record of 25 top-flight victories.

However, he is stalled on 21, and after odds-on defeats for Mastercraftsman and Yeats over the Arc weekend, as well as missing out on the Arc itself, O'Brien is now rated as high as 3 to 1 to break the record.

Rip Van Winkle was a drifter in Dewhurst betting yesterday, but O'Brien said yesterday of the unbeaten 2,000 Guineas favourite: "At the moment he is a runner and he seems to be fine in himself."

He also revealed his team for the Breeders' Cup at Santa Anita next weekend, with Duke Of Marmalade and Henrythenavigator due to take part in the Classic on the Los Angeles track's new synthetic surface.

Top American rider John Velasquez is on standby to ride whichever of the pair John Murtagh discards.

They will be joined at Santa Anita by US Ranger (Mile), Soldier Of Fortune and Red Rock Canyon (Turf) and Halfway To Heaven (Filly Mare Turf). Heart Shaped will run in the new juvenile fillies turf race, while the Champagne winner Westphalia will go in the juvenile turf. King Of Rome could also run on the under-card.

"Aidan has had a real good run during the summer when everything went right, but opportunities might be running out for him," said a spokesman for Cashmans, who rate O'Brien's record chances at 3 to 1.

Paddy Power are more hopeful at 5 to 4, but a spokesman said: "Rip Van Winkle more or less has to win the Dewhurst. Obviously he will be well represented at the Breeders' Cup too, but if he is going to break the record it will be tight."

O'Brien is also set to run Hebridean in Saturday's Champion Stakes. Declaration for that race and the Dewhurst takes place this morning.

© 2008 The Irish Times


not too many group 1's left for aob, he's given it some go tho. any fancys by anyone in the remaining group 1's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 16, 2008, 08:37:04 PM
Think hes sitting on 21 at the minute...

Possibile group ones...

Britain
Dewhurst Stakes Newmarket
Champion Stakes Newmarket
Racing Post Trophy Doncaster

France

Critérium International Saint-Cloud
Critérium de Saint-Cloud Saint-Cloud

Italy
Gran Criterium San Siro
Gran Premio del Jockey Club San Siro
Premio Lydia Tesio Capannelle
Premio Roma Capannelle

USA
14 Breeders Cup Races

Japan
Japan Cup

Australia
Cox Plate
Melbourne Cup
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 16, 2008, 08:58:23 PM
thanks nail, definitely going to have a punt on the ones in britian, dont think the travelling helps!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 16, 2008, 10:43:34 PM
Well done Nail, good double.

WOA was impressive enough and great to see him back, but you would have to think that he hasn't beaten anything! Don't like to say it but KK is not coming back and if he manages to get one decent win this season (as he turns 11) it would be something else.

Actually, if you remember KK's return in Gowran last year against Nickname, he looked good that day too, but was only flattering to deceive. I wouldn't expect much from WOA on his next appearance due to the "Bounce" factor, but with a bit of luck we will see something out of him, that he might at least be competitive against the Nichol's horses. Well, here is hoping anyway!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on October 17, 2008, 08:36:30 AM
Ricoh lead from the break but was caught about a furlong and a half out and finished fourth.
Think he finished about 13/2. Had him done ew at 16/1. Hate it when a horse leads from the start.

Castle Bar Sling is 11/1 now on Betfair, but there are punters looking to back it a 33/1.
Any word for it today Bud?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 17, 2008, 09:44:00 AM
Still - it was great to see the first NH real NH race of the season. I agree with Louth Exile's take on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 17, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on October 16, 2008, 10:43:34 PM
Well done Nail, good double.

WOA was impressive enough and great to see him back, but you would have to think that he hasn't beaten anything! Don't like to say it but KK is not coming back and if he manages to get one decent win this season (as he turns 11) it would be something else.

Actually, if you remember KK's return in Gowran last year against Nickname, he looked good that day too, but was only flattering to deceive. I wouldn't expect much from WOA on his next appearance due to the "Bounce" factor, but with a bit of luck we will see something out of him, that he might at least be competitive against the Nichol's horses. Well, here is hoping anyway!

I'm under no  illusion that this horse will win the Gold Cup, just am happy that the price is dropping so I can do a bit of trading...

Great to see the NH back... Cheltenham today, few novice races that could show us a thing or two for the season

Razor Royale in the second excites me, as does Earth Planet, Nicholls in the first, had backed it a few times last year...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 17, 2008, 10:04:25 AM
Just saw Earth Planet's price there, might leave it, about 8/13... Maybe do the two in a double...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 17, 2008, 06:21:41 PM
Earth Planet dicked...

Razor Royale was jumping well and had just pulled level with the even money fave Ring The Boss when it fell at the second (or third) last...

Good to see Parsons Legacy back with a win, a potential Grand National horse, only pulled out this year due to injury if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on October 19, 2008, 02:22:21 PM
Katchit (4.35 Kempton) First run since Champ Hurdle....non handicap race...racing post seems to think that if this race were a handicap katchit would have to give 14lbs or more to its rivals....8/13 anyone ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on October 19, 2008, 05:02:01 PM
great, just dicked my bet katchit did !!! first 3 of walsh/nicholls  Imsingingtheblues(5/2), Oumeyade(11/4) & Woolcombe Folly (4/5)  >:( having said that snap tie run a brave race and heard on RacingUK that most bookies have entered it into champ hurdle 09 betting at 16/1 wif katchit still fav @ 6s
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on October 21, 2008, 03:35:58 PM
lads saturday
Ouzbeck @9/1
Stimulation@ 9/2
New approach @6/4
Indian Pipe Dream @10/3 (Done the damage)

£2 lucky 15 . Got nearly 500 but would have been some bet had that other one got the nose in front.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 24, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
No 1. in the 7.40 - Dundalk
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on October 24, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
No 1. in the 7.40 - Dundalk

Beat ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 24, 2008, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on October 24, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
No 1. in the 7.40 - Dundalk

Beat ?

Nope

Dundalk 7.40
1st 1 Leandros (FR) 2-1 F
2nd 5 He's Got Rhythm (IRE) 10-1
3rd 6 Johar Jamal (IRE) 14-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 24, 2008, 08:17:01 PM
Good man Louth Exile! stuck a heap on at 5/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 24, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Anone betting the Breeders Cup World Championship?


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 24, 2008, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 24, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Anone betting the Breeders Cup World Championship?




Nope!

More excited about the National Hunt season, Aintree tomorrow is a reat card, Rippling Ring excites me the most, think I will tank it then see about Tatenen in the next, Black Jacari also...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on October 25, 2008, 11:02:20 AM
There a few days ago I mentioned Castle Bar Sling and during the sunny days of summer I said how we had a tip for this in Killarney and it won at 14/1.  Since then it has come everywhere including last but nowhere near a win and yet te day it did do thye business half of Dingle and Ballyferriter were falling around the place celebrating.  From the results it seems that this yoke will soon be turned to glue but I am just confused as to how it can be a no-no all of a sudden.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 25, 2008, 11:36:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 24, 2008, 08:17:01 PM
Good man Louth Exile! stuck a heap on at 5/2.

Good Stuff

It is no price at all, but Sigman Lifestyle in the 3.10 at Naas, the heavier the better.
Only noble crusader will come close I'm told
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 25, 2008, 07:20:38 PM
You are very welcome ML, just passing on the info we got from both owners, has me well set up for the NH season anyway!!

I just had a look at the breeders cup line up there now, I'd say that I'll only get to see the last two and I am fearfull for O'Brien's chances overall. Hope I am wrong and it would be great to see him win the big one, might have a small e/w on the duke just for the interest.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kumquat on October 25, 2008, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 24, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Anone betting the Breeders Cup World Championship?

Curlin 11.45 will not be beat
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 25, 2008, 11:13:45 PM
Quote from: kumquat on October 25, 2008, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 24, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Anone betting the Breeders Cup World Championship?

Curlin 11.45 will not be beat
I agree, stuck 25 quid on him at 7/4 with P Power.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 25, 2008, 11:59:06 PM
What a night for the Euopeans, even winning the big one on the dirt! 5-4 to Europe, some going.

A pity there was just one too good for Henry, would have been great to see O'Brien win it.
The yanks got stuck into Curlin for stupid money at a stupid price, that must be some killing for the bookies over there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doire abú on October 26, 2008, 12:02:10 AM
Quote from: kumquat on October 25, 2008, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 24, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Anone betting the Breeders Cup World Championship?

Curlin 11.45 will not be beat

::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sandy Hill on October 26, 2008, 12:22:01 AM
Would loved to have seen O'Brien winning with Henry (unusual jockey choice?). Dettori really gives me a f><kin pain with his extrovert antics; p***k.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 30, 2008, 02:50:15 PM
Many of the board members heading to Down Royal on saturday? Anyone got any details of the card? I know Kauto is running and am looking forward to seeing him tho I feel this may be a race best wathed as he is certain to go a low price on his seasonal debut!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 30, 2008, 03:03:48 PM
Corskeagh royale in the 1 o clock on saturday in downpatrick.he fell in galway monday but should not have affected him to much.loves it soft so watch out for that.price may be short enuff.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 30, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 30, 2008, 02:50:15 PM
Many of the board members heading to Down Royal on saturday? Anyone got any details of the card? I know Kauto is running and am looking forward to seeing him tho I feel this may be a race best wathed as he is certain to go a low price on his seasonal debut!

1/2 at the bets mick... Noland going also running again Scotsirish, Fingeronthepulse, Irish Invader and few others...

Havent really got the others narrowed down yet

Listener could be a good ew given the potential conditions

Would def back Corskeagh Royale, great bumper horse last year...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on October 30, 2008, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on October 30, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 30, 2008, 02:50:15 PM
Many of the board members heading to Down Royal on saturday? Anyone got any details of the card? I know Kauto is running and am looking forward to seeing him tho I feel this may be a race best wathed as he is certain to go a low price on his seasonal debut!

1/2 at the bets mick... Noland going also running again Scotsirish, Fingeronthepulse, Irish Invader and few others...

Havent really got the others narrowed down yet

Listener could be a good ew given the potential conditions

Would def back Corskeagh Royale, great bumper horse last year...

Was placed in the champion bumper at Cheltenham if I remember correctly
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on October 30, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
Aran Concerto due to make a return in the next couple of weeks, intersting to see if he lives up to the promise.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 30, 2008, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on October 30, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 30, 2008, 02:50:15 PM
Many of the board members heading to Down Royal on saturday? Anyone got any details of the card? I know Kauto is running and am looking forward to seeing him tho I feel this may be a race best wathed as he is certain to go a low price on his seasonal debut!

1/2 at the bets mick... Noland going also running again Scotsirish, Fingeronthepulse, Irish Invader and few others...

Havent really got the others narrowed down yet

Listener could be a good ew given the potential conditions

Would def back Corskeagh Royale, great bumper horse last year...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on October 30, 2008, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on October 30, 2008, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on October 30, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Would def back Corskeagh Royale, great bumper horse last year...

Was placed in the champion bumper at Cheltenham if I remember correctly

Aye 2nd behind Cousin Vinny, another machine to stay on the right side of this year.

Don't know which way to go with Kauto at the weekend. 1/2 doesn't look great value but then you see the form of Ruby and Nicholls in Ireland over the past few years...

1st May 2003: Sporazene – Won
1st May 2003: Le Roi Migue – Won
25th April 2007: Neptune Collonges – Won
1st August 2007: Hoo La Baloo – Brought Down
3rd November 2007: Taranis – Won
28th December 2007: Denman – Won
22nd April 2008: Twist Magic – Won
23rd April 2008: Neptune Collonges – Won
30th July 2008: Oslot – Won
12th October 2008: Dear Villez – Won

I might just sit this one out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 30, 2008, 05:03:51 PM
Sorry hit the wrong button. ye Kauto at 1-2 on Saturday but really shouldnt have any problem winning this.Heard Clive Smith the owner interviewed yesterday and he reckons Kauto is in better form this year than he was this time last year.He seems alot fresher and fitter.
Finger on the Pulse is a horse Id look out 4this year.Same connections as Kicking King I believe.was on it at 12/1 at Cheltenham last year.Won on its reappearance a few weeks ago at Limerick beating Marodima from the Paul Nicholls stable
As for Noland, I would definitley be watching that horse 1st time out before backing it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 01, 2008, 02:44:41 PM
Flawless performance by Kauto Star. It's just magic to have top class jump racing back. Would make you look forward to the Winter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on November 01, 2008, 04:37:12 PM
Just back from down royal , kauto star was unreal, ruby smiling like a cheshire cat as he crossed the line.

The listerner stumbled about 5 fences from home, didnt count.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 03, 2008, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: stiffler on November 01, 2008, 04:37:12 PM
Just back from down royal , kauto star was unreal, ruby smiling like a cheshire cat as he crossed the line.

The listerner stumbled about 5 fences from home, didnt count.

Didn't see ya there stiffler, you musta been sneaking about the back

Had money set aside to lump on to Kauto but stuck the wad on Arc Bleu! f**k sake... Got Noland though and the forecast in the same race (Fingeronthepulse second paid 4-1)

Had Nina in the last thought I had it on the run in...

Good racing at Exeter tomorrow... Haven't had a good look yet though as I am still in a bad way after the weekend! Musta been bad pints.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 03, 2008, 05:53:18 PM
Nice wee Boylesport special 2day, double on the horses 8/1  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 03, 2008, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 03, 2008, 05:53:18 PM
Nice wee Boylesport special 2day, double on the horses 8/1  ;D

What was it SK??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 03, 2008, 05:59:59 PM
Actually just checked my winnings it went out to 10/1  ;D ;D

Wee Giant and Takeover Bid (Wolv 2:50 and 5:20)

Edit: If truth be told the actual odds ended up being 1055/100.  Never seen weird odds like that! Not complaining mind you!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kinghen on November 03, 2008, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 03, 2008, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: stiffler on November 01, 2008, 04:37:12 PM
Just back from down royal , kauto star was unreal, ruby smiling like a cheshire cat as he crossed the line.

The listerner stumbled about 5 fences from home, didnt count.

Didn't see ya there stiffler, you musta been sneaking about the back

Had money set aside to lump on to Kauto but stuck the wad on Arc Bleu! f**k sake... Got Noland though and the forecast in the same race (Fingeronthepulse second paid 4-1)

Had Nina in the last thought I had it on the run in...

Good racing at Exeter tomorrow... Haven't had a good look yet though as I am still in a bad way after the weekend! Musta been bad pints.


bad pints?? f*cking 60 quid a pop!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 03, 2008, 07:05:01 PM
Quote from: kinghen on November 03, 2008, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 03, 2008, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: stiffler on November 01, 2008, 04:37:12 PM
Just back from down royal , kauto star was unreal, ruby smiling like a cheshire cat as he crossed the line.

The listerner stumbled about 5 fences from home, didnt count.

Didn't see ya there stiffler, you musta been sneaking about the back

Had money set aside to lump on to Kauto but stuck the wad on Arc Bleu! f**k sake... Got Noland though and the forecast in the same race (Fingeronthepulse second paid 4-1)

Had Nina in the last thought I had it on the run in...

Good racing at Exeter tomorrow... Haven't had a good look yet though as I am still in a bad way after the weekend! Musta been bad pints.


bad pints?? f*cking 60 quid a pop!!!

I wuoldnt know sure I never gt a round in!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2008, 03:07:19 AM
Few bob on Septimus at SP! Dont think i will keep the eyes open for it though!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2008, 04:30:52 AM
Pity i didnt sleep :(
Photo finish
1st  Veiwed
2nd Bauer
3rd C'est La Guerre
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stephenite on November 04, 2008, 04:33:13 AM
Cucking funts
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2008, 04:43:29 AM
Latest
Septimus is still running! :( :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on November 04, 2008, 08:33:55 AM
Stewards inquiry into O'Brien's tactics. His 3 front runners set the pace then finished last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 04, 2008, 08:37:56 AM
Put all his eggs in one basket... Shame

Musta thought the race was run over a mile!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 04, 2008, 05:17:47 PM
Ashley Brook puts in strong jumping/front running performance today to take the big one at exeter

Oumeyade and Mahonia impressive winners for Nicholls/Ruby combo also

First race was a strange one, McCoy won... aboard a 20/1 shot! (Was 25/1 at the off though returned at 20s much to the displeasure of a few punters-this is happening more and more these days changes to sp's after the off)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 06, 2008, 11:13:38 PM
I see Merchant Of Dubai is out tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 07, 2008, 04:19:49 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 06, 2008, 11:13:38 PM
I see Merchant Of Dubai is out tomorrow.


Finished 5th, opened 9/4 returned 11/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 08, 2008, 09:14:51 PM
That tote Scoop 6 fund has reached record levels  :o
With the flat season over now all races in it next Saturday will be NH, so I think its worth a punt, just checked to see if I can do the bet through the tote account here and thankfully I can. So if any of you have any wonderfull insights into next Saturdays racing, please share

Great card of racing in Navan tommorow, just had a quick look through it. Meade is going well at the moment, tends to go well at this meeting and has some horses who don't mind the heavy going. He could possibly rattle off a quick double in the first two races, also has Aran Concerto later in the card and the bumper looks to be another straight battle between himself and Mullins. The lismullen hurdle could be the race of the day and a very open race with Kazal probably going off fav. I think Sweet Kiln is worth a shot, Bowe loves this race! I used to love going to this meeting to watch Moscow run in the Fortria chase, he won it twice and was just touched off by Central House in this last year. It looks very open as well, don't think that I'll have a bet, but would probably favour Schindlers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 09, 2008, 01:27:30 PM
Just got Pandorama, very impressive, definite Cheltenham material... Carberry was never in doubt looking over his shoulder from ridiculous distances out

Fancy Catch Me for the big hurdle race doubled up with Mansony for the chase

Aran Concerto I will just watch...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 09, 2008, 01:32:47 PM
Two faves in a row at Navan...

4/9 and 9/4

Barry Geraghty on Academy Sir Harry stormed it at the end to snatch victory from Fisher Bridge...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 09, 2008, 02:03:44 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 09, 2008, 01:27:30 PM
Just got Pandorama, very impressive, definite Cheltenham material... Carberry was never in doubt looking over his shoulder from ridiculous distances out

Fancy Catch Me for the big hurdle race doubled up with Mansony for the chase

Aran Concerto I will just watch...

4/1 winner... hope you's followed me  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 09, 2008, 06:58:48 PM
Mansony beat by a Watson Lake, storming performance...

Meade had a great day. Nina won the last as usual!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on November 09, 2008, 08:21:51 PM
what kind of horse bets do you people prefer?
I mainly only bet on favourites from odds on to 3/1 at biggest usually, usually do them in a lucky 15 or patent

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 09, 2008, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: Clown on November 09, 2008, 08:21:51 PM
what kind of horse bets do you people prefer?



Winners.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on November 09, 2008, 10:09:02 PM
Nina and Meade are like a money-back service in the bumpers!

Delighted with Aran Concerto, it's been a long lay off.  Pandorama looked impressive. 

And the one that got away - had decided to back Hotterthanjuly and changed my mind at the parade ring (as if I had any idea what I was looking at!)!! 16/1!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 14, 2008, 02:13:48 PM
Dundalk 7.40 2nite

Imco Tendance (just got word for it there now,travelling up from cork and is currently 7/2)

Thank me later
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on November 14, 2008, 07:59:23 PM
third, never looked like anything else
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 14, 2008, 09:50:39 PM
i know where it finished keegan thanks very much!got trapped on the fence but worth watchin for a later date i feel!!

Hope my followers back each way lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 14, 2008, 09:54:23 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on November 14, 2008, 09:50:39 PM
i know where it finished keegan thanks very much!got trapped on the fence but worth watchin for a later date i feel!!

Hope my followers back each way lol

Your what? Are you David Koresh reincarnated?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 14, 2008, 10:11:39 PM
i like to believe that i am a leader among men,a bit like Roy Keane in the racing world:) Just keep following
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 14, 2008, 10:12:42 PM
(http://tradeshowinformer.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/blind_leading_the_blind.jpg)

:D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 14, 2008, 10:15:40 PM
u obviouslly havent been following my football tips lately,another one up last night!!! well into profit and so are my followers ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 15, 2008, 09:28:51 AM
As a tipster, you're a very good footballer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 15, 2008, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: Hardy on November 15, 2008, 09:28:51 AM
As a tipster, you're a very good footballer.

:D :D

But on a serious note...

Anyone any fancies for the big scoop 6 bet today??  £2.5M Jackpot, a good deal bigger than a €10k gtd jackpot!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 15, 2008, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on November 15, 2008, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: Hardy on November 15, 2008, 09:28:51 AM
As a tipster, you're a very good footballer.

:D :D

But on a serious note...

Anyone any fancies for the big scoop 6 bet today??  £2.5M Jackpot, a good deal bigger than a €10k gtd jackpot!!

Did the scoop there myself.... a good bet and have to say I am hooked.

Knew I was never gonna get the big prize, but the place fund was still good...

Had one knocker for the place fund, which was over 400quid, knockavilla in the 2nd last leg, raging as I woulda had four lines paid out as I had Joe Lively and Halcon in the first leg, then Fair Along and Powerstation in whatever one they were in

Knockavilla placing would have brought the place dividend down but who gives a f**k I wuold have got it four times!

Deffo doing it again next week, this week I had two horses in four legs and two "bankers" in the others, to a cost of £32 quid. Might bump it up to £64 next week with only one banker, the place fund is very good and if you get a couple placed in one or two races then you bump the amount of lines paid out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 16, 2008, 11:29:00 PM
What a performance from Hardy today, even though I didn't have a shilling on him I roared him home when he saw him starting to get back up. You just have to love the old warriors. He certainly didn't know that he was 14/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on November 17, 2008, 02:20:08 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on November 16, 2008, 11:29:00 PM
What a performance from Hardy today, even though I didn't have a shilling on him I roared him home when he saw him starting to get back up. You just have to love the old warriors. He certainly didn't know that he was 14/1

20-1 with some. Warrior is right. Fair dues.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 17, 2008, 09:54:34 AM
All Hail Hardy  :) ( you know which one)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 17, 2008, 09:58:07 AM
What did hardy do ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 17, 2008, 10:37:50 AM
Came from behind.
Upset expectations.
Left the opposition floundering.

What a horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 17, 2008, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: Hardy on November 17, 2008, 10:37:50 AM
Came from behind.
Upset expectations.
Left the opposition floundering.

What a horse.

And filled the bookies satchels. Was gutted i missed it, didnt even know it was out, always have a sentimental tenner on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 17, 2008, 11:26:40 AM
The winner of the first at Cheltenham on Saturday has finished first or second in the Triumph Hurdle for last three years.

Simarian from Evan Williams yard has now one twice over course and distance and is best priced at 25/1 with PP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 17, 2008, 05:34:49 PM
Great weekend at Cheltenham... despite it being bad for me betting wise...

First of all McKeown taking the other jockeys whip and winning the race on Hoopy! Got a two day ban but I am sure he will tell you it was worth it...

Then Davy Russell showing a bit of initiative and walking the course with the stewards befre the cross country and spotting a short cut, I was ragin at the time as I had forty on Garde Champetre and was relying on Dix Villex being disqualified! I see the funny side now... Though they have stressed there will be no conufsion in the future...

Good day for the irish apart from ruby on the last favourite which ran out at the last!!

Ruby out for at least a month after his fall on saturday, had an operation and got his spleen removed... Bad luck for him, Sam Thomas will take his rides now for the next while, including Kauto on Saturday

Tatenen won well on sunday beating Straw Bear who I cant really see amking that much of an impression over hurdles... Very short for the arkle already, a lay if you ask me at that price, Kalahari king won well today, and we still have to see Kicks for Free and Free World properly... and thats only Nicholls runners...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maroon Heaven on November 20, 2008, 12:32:21 PM
Alot of people talking up cooldine which is running shortly in Thurles...

One of the early Irish Fancies for C'ham....

Hope it runs well here..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maroon Heaven on November 20, 2008, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on November 20, 2008, 12:32:21 PM
Alot of people talking up cooldine which is running shortly in Thurles...

One of the early Irish Fancies for C'ham....

Hope it runs well here..

Cooldine - Led from half way out and had no problems... Was 4 lengths ahead throughout and looked lonely if anything... Jumped Well and had aload left in the tank....

Looking good for Cheltenham - Into 15's on Betfair from 22's and second fav behind Aran Concerto for Sun Alliance
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 20, 2008, 12:52:19 PM
Backed it myself maroon, its in my horse alert stable...

Other two horse alerts I got today in the same race though, decisions decisisions...

Nine de sivola and Coe in the 1.40 at market rasen... nine is evens coe 9/4... Might just sit the race out or do a forecast...

Coe - 20 Nov 2008 13:40 - Market Rasen, 2m 6f 110y
Trainer: Mrs S J Smith
Jockey: Christian Williams
Form figures: 11230-5
Age: 6
Country: IRE
Past Form: Successful in two hurdle races at 2m 4f and 2m 7f on soft and heavy ground. Finished 17l behind Rightway Star when fifth of 7 at 6-5fav on his latest outing in a chase at Haydock over 2m 4f (good to firm) earlier this month.

Nine De Sivola - 20 Nov 2008 13:40 - Market Rasen, 2m 6f 110y
Trainer: Ferdy Murphy
Jockey: G Lee
Form figures: 22F22/2
Age: 7
Country: FR
Past Form: He has won four hurdle races from 2m 4f to 3m 1f on ground varying from good to heavy, but last win was over two years ago. Beaten 3l by Companero when second of 4 at 5-1 on his latest outing in a chase at Carlisle over 3m (good to soft) earlier this month.

Ferdy Murphy picked Nine de Sivola out as his horse to follow from his yard in racing post book I got... Stable back on track after Kalahari King won the other day...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 20, 2008, 12:57:01 PM
Where is your horse alert at Nail? Had Cooldine myself there too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 20, 2008, 01:02:46 PM
www.easyodds.co.uk

register for free then you can add how ever many horses you want to your 'stable'

they e mail you every monring then if any of yuor horses are out with a little paragraph on their form etc...

good job as i sometimes used to miss horses when they were out...

i have about 200horses in it! all national hunt, ones to follow from cheltenham last year plus the pick of the novices, plus I put ni all the trainers and jockeys picks from a racing post book i have... its a good job...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 20, 2008, 01:09:48 PM
Good stuff Nail.  Will come in handy me thinks.  Me also thinks it will increase my betting frequency  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 20, 2008, 01:49:05 PM
Nine de Sivola second, Coe nowhere...

Glad I swerved this one...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 20, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
Did a small treble, got first one in, nine de sivola f**ked me up there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 20, 2008, 02:05:42 PM
Sorry! Just think about Glentoran and Leeds!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 20, 2008, 02:07:08 PM
B**tard.  Priest Field came in.  7/1 for that treble.

As u say, Glens and Leeds  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on November 20, 2008, 04:08:55 PM
Don't ya just love Noel Meade/Nina Carberry in the bumpers :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on November 20, 2008, 04:32:19 PM
how it won i will never know!!! 7/1 was some price
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 20, 2008, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 20, 2008, 04:32:19 PM
how it won i will never know!!! 7/1 was some price

The price is what put me off, rare to see one of theirs drifting so badly
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 20, 2008, 07:07:35 PM
Kicking King Retired

Kicking King, winner of the 2005 Cheltenham Gold Cup for Tom Taaffe, has been retired. Now a 10-year-old, he had been nursed back into action last season following a serious tendon injury and hopes were high he had retained his ability following an encouraging return after a 759-day absence. However, in four subsequent starts he failed to show his old sparkle and connections have decided to call time on the dual King George VI Chase winner's career. "It's not really a sad day, Kicking King was a wonderful chaser to have had," said his owner Conor Clarkson. "On looking back over his racing career you realise what an amazing racehorse he was. I suppose it's a little bit sad his racing career is over, but he can now look forward to a happy retirement."

http://www.irish-racing.com/v4news1.htm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 20, 2008, 07:31:45 PM
Pity we didn't see more of him. He was just shaping up to be a potential super horse when he got injured. His gold cup winning performance is one of my favourite races ever.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 20, 2008, 07:48:14 PM
He had some record, second only to the brilliant well chief in the arkle over an inadequate trip as a novice. Won 2 King Georges and a Gold Cup. Would he have beaten WOA in his GC if he hadn't got injured?? Who knows, he was a class act and it is good to see that connections have done the right thing WOA is coming along nicely but KK was not going to get back.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 20, 2008, 08:01:24 PM
It seems the King George will be the first chance for WOA to be measured against Kauto Star and the other top chasers. WOA is quoted at 20/1 for that - seems hugely generous to me or is he maybe not expected to take his place?

Looks like Nicholls is also keeping Denman and KS apart until the Gold Cup. Denman is entered in the Aintree national too!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 21, 2008, 09:11:44 AM
Big Scoop6 jackpot tomorrow, could be £4 million or more
Anyone know where I can get a list of the races & runners today?
ONL perhaps??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 21, 2008, 09:28:20 AM
How do you do this Scoop bet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 21, 2008, 09:31:29 AM
Was wondering that myself.  Would make the old Saturday a bit interesting.  Well until the first race that is and your horse is beat.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 09:40:13 AM
The races are not announced as yet... Its six of the televised races tomorrow...

I think there are seven races on channel four tomorrow, so prob the six out of them

They should be announced this afternoon

Some gamble going on the market for how much will be wagered on it? Tote opened up at 50/1 for over 4million, last I checked they had cut it in to 13/2!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 09:46:56 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 21, 2008, 09:28:20 AM
How do you do this Scoop bet?

6 televised races... Pick a horse in each rac e you think will win, get the six winners, get the jackpot!

Na but seriously its sort of like the lottery, there is a prize fund which is divided by the amount of ppl that get the six winners, thats if it is won at all... There is also a place fund if you get your horses all placed, the average pay out for this is around 700quid I think...

The way I do it is choose two 'bankers' and then for the other four legs I pick two horses...

To calculate the cost of your slip just multiply the amount of selections in each leg, if you only do one in each its:

1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x = 1 x £2...

The way I do it is £32

2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 1 x 1 = 16 x £2...

Thinking about bumping it up to £64 quid this week...

I had two placed in the first and the fourth legs last saturday, this meant I would have got the place fund four times, which was 420quid if I remember rightly, one leg knocked me, the 9/4 fave knockavilla which fell

:-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 21, 2008, 09:50:24 AM
Where can I do this Nail? Online or in the bookies?  Is there a special slip for it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 09:52:35 AM
If you go in the boookies the slip will be beside the placepot and tote dockets, you get them in most bookies... Its a yellow slip...

Or you can do it online here...

http://www.totesport.com/portal

Then click on totepool and scoop6, but it will not be on til later, def up this evening, I will post when the races are announced...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 21, 2008, 09:54:48 AM
Can you post the races when they are announced later nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 09:59:39 AM
Yeah I will... That market the tote put up for how much will be wagered on the scoop6 went like this

9.30am 50-1
9.36am 20-1
9.46am 14-1
9.53am 10-1
10.02am 8-1
10.56am 13-2
12.14pm 5-1
13.00pm 5-2
14.26pm 2-1
15.21pm SUSPENDED

That is for the over £4million selection
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 10:12:11 AM
QuoteKauto Star's final preparations ahead of his hat-trick bid in Saturday's Betfair Chase at Haydock have all gone according to plan.

Sam Thomas, standing in for the injured Ruby Walsh, was down at Paul Nicholls' Ditcheat yard yesterday popping the former Gold Cup winner over some small fences.

"He's in top form, Sam came down and schooled him, he jumped about 20 little fences and he's in very good form and I'm very happy with him," said Nicholls.

"I like to school them all a couple of days before they run as it makes them stretch and is good exercise. If they jump 20 obstacles in a piece of work it's quite good for them.

"It's a routine we do with Kauto Star and he enjoys it too."

Owner-breeder Roger Nicholls is happy to go back on his word that Ollie Magern would never return to Haydock after three failed attempts in the Betfair Chase.

With reasonable conditions and the popular gelding in such fine form, Nicholls now believes there are grounds to be optimistic ahead of the Grade One contest.       
"I think he deserves his chance. There's only six runners, so there's some place money there so let's go and enjoy ourselves," he said.

"I did say I'd never go there again but, as long as it's good ground and not abog, it should be all right.

"If it was heavy he wouldn't be going.

"He gives his all and a lot of peculiar things happen in racing.

"We just hopes he goes there, enjoys it and comes back safe - fingers crossed."

Ollie Magern's three previousefforts in the Betfair Chase have ended in disappointment.

He was last of seven to Kingscliff in 2005 and finished fourth and sixth to Kauto Star in the last two runnings.

The others don't wanna hear that... Best price 4/9 kauto tomorrow...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 21, 2008, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 09:59:39 AM
Yeah I will... That market the tote put up for how much will be wagered on the scoop6 went like this

9.30am 50-1
9.36am 20-1
9.46am 14-1
9.53am 10-1
10.02am 8-1
10.56am 13-2
12.14pm 5-1
13.00pm 5-2
14.26pm 2-1
15.21pm SUSPENDED

That is for the over £4million selection

It is 2/1 on Betfair for £4million & over
You reckon it is worth a punt?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 10:52:48 AM
Aye might be worth a bit... This weekend will break all records... They are keeping the punters sweating as well, I think the races are normally always announced by this stage

Looks like there could be two races at lingfield tomorrow in it, f**k sake. Look forward to next weeks rollover then!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 11:13:43 AM
Scoop6 races:-

Leg 1: 2.10 Lingfield

Leg 2: 2.40 Lingfield

Leg 3: 2.45 Haydock

Leg 4: 3.20 Lingfield

Leg 5: 3.30 Huntingdon 3m2f Handicap Hurdle (was the 2.55 on page 28 of Racing Post)

Leg 6: 3.50 Lingfield
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 21, 2008, 11:14:06 AM
Unless there are a few shock results in the big fields I cant see it rolling over again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 11:23:22 AM
The big syndicates will be out in force this week, plundering thousands into their dockets but you never know

Maybe one of us can do an agnes... Wee woman who got the six winners picking names that had significance like her family names an all, then she got the bonus the next week also!

Last weeks was this

Joe Lively 4/1
Imperial Commander 13/2
Ice Tea 8/1
Fair Along 10/1
European Dream 11/2
Sunnyhill Boy 14/1

The accum would have paid £361,968.75 for a £1...

19 dockets were still live going into the last leg but they could not get it... If I remember rightly someone had the 66/1 second place in the last leg Maneki Neko... some sweat there!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 11:29:38 AM
Just looking at the races. Cant believe the tote have picked four shitty all weather races when there are good national hunt cards elsewhere, maybe they are looking for anothr rollover since they get 30% of the pool back to them??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on November 21, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
Can we do this in the free state?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 21, 2008, 12:13:08 PM
Nail says it can be done online so try that site he posted up and see!  Should be able to!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 21, 2008, 12:15:42 PM
Getinbybutonlyj 3.00 kelso
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 21, 2008, 12:20:16 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on November 21, 2008, 12:15:42 PM
Getinbybutonlyj 3.00 kelso

Did you hear word about it or it it your fancy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on November 21, 2008, 12:23:03 PM
How far will Kauto Star win by tomorrow ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 21, 2008, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 21, 2008, 12:23:03 PM
How far will Kauto Star win by tomorrow ?

Half a dozen lengths or more IMHO
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 01:37:18 PM
First two of a 4timer up... Mad Max and Massinis Maguire...

Waiting on Lodge Laen and Naiad du Misselot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: full back on November 21, 2008, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 21, 2008, 12:23:03 PM
How far will Kauto Star win by tomorrow ?

Half a dozen lengths or more IMHO

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/national-hunt/betfair-chase/how-far-will-kauto-star-win-by

7/4 over 8
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on November 21, 2008, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on November 21, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
Can we do this in the free state?

I think that you can do the Scoop 6 in Ladbrokes but I could be wrong I've never done it.

Niall, any money for Charles Byrnes horse in the last race in Ascot?  I heard a whisper but it seems to be drifting  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 01:48:58 PM
Quote from: jaykay on November 21, 2008, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on November 21, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
Can we do this in the free state?

I think that you can do the Scoop 6 in Ladbrokes but I could be wrong I've never done it.

Niall, any money for Charles Byrnes horse in the last race in Ascot?  I heard a whisper but it seems to be drifting  ???

Have not took a penny on it jaykay... Will let ya know if I hear anything...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 21, 2008, 01:55:38 PM
Lodge up too Nail  :o sweatin now!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
f**king Naiad du Misselot!! second...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 21, 2008, 01:57:03 PM
Seen that  :( very unlucky.  What odds did you get on that?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 02:05:54 PM
I had just picked the quad out myself, the four horses were in my horse alert e mail this morning!!

Had 1/2 mad max, 11/8 lodge lane, 6/4 massinis maguire and 4/5 naiad...

£20 quda got me £320 odd, bastards!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 21, 2008, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 11:29:38 AM
Just looking at the races. Cant believe the tote have picked four shitty all weather races when there are good national hunt cards elsewhere, maybe they are looking for anothr rollover since they get 30% of the pool back to them??

100% agree with you, Lingfield!!! FFS  >:(

Quote from: cavan4ever on November 21, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
Can we do this in the free state?

If you have a tote account you can anyway or if you are on track in Gowran tommorrow. I rang a bet into tote last week. Given that there is a stg£2 unit cost to the bet it converts to €2.34 unit stake. I did a 12 permutation bet last week and cost me €28

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 21, 2008, 03:10:59 PM
Big frank your proving expensive to follow.Had Imco Tendence and now Gettinbybutonlyjust(who lead the whole way).Is it inside info your getting or is it just your own fancies?
I fancy Paulliac 325 Exeter from the Pipe yard to get me back up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 21, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Im goin through one fo those spells at the minute,horses leadin and losing in last half mile and snooker matches drawing to stop my bets winning,its a crazy crazy world out there!!! Currently workin on a few crackers for the weekend so sit tight people
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 21, 2008, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on November 21, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Im goin through one fo those spells at the minute,horses leadin and losing in last half mile and snooker matches drawing to stop my bets winning,its a crazy crazy world out there!!! Currently workin on a few crackers for the weekend so sit tight people

Thats true Frank.  Only trouble is the spell is lasting about a month  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 21, 2008, 04:16:05 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 21, 2008, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on November 21, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Im goin through one fo those spells at the minute,horses leadin and losing in last half mile and snooker matches drawing to stop my bets winning,its a crazy crazy world out there!!! Currently workin on a few crackers for the weekend so sit tight people

Thats true Frank.  Only trouble is the spell is lasting about a month  :D

Im glad u put that smiley face after that last comment,now i know u dont believe that for one minute!!! Few days on bad luck,weekend will turn it around!! Total Faith!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 22, 2008, 09:42:04 AM
Swiss Franc
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 22, 2008, 09:47:48 AM
Scoop 6 today lads is a f**king nightmare
Some of the AW races are a joke :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 22, 2008, 09:57:38 AM
I am totally disillusioned by this weeks scoop6, I am resorting to just doing a two pound one, not even doing a perm as the all weather races make me sick!!

Thinking about piling my last couple of weeks wages on to Binocular and Kauto Star... Just as long as Big Frank doesn't mention them, hes a f**king blink!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 22, 2008, 10:04:34 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 22, 2008, 09:57:38 AM
I am totally disillusioned by this weeks scoop6, I am resorting to just doing a two pound one, not even doing a perm as the all weather races make me sick!!

Thinking about piling my last couple of weeks wages on to Binocular and Kauto Star... Just as long as Big Frank doesn't mention them, hes a f**king blink!

Binocular is 1/7 on Betfair nail, plenty of money for him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 22, 2008, 12:41:44 PM
I agree with you totally lads, 4 all weather races and one in huntingdon is worth about 3k!!!! This is wide open, the only thing about it is that there are no massive fields. There are no bankers either though!!

I have went down the Aggie Haddock route... got the missus to pick six horses based on their name (oh and of course she picked Mc Coy in the Haddock race) I think every one of her selections was double digit odds, so if this one line bet comes up you can be sure there wont be too many others to share it with!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 22, 2008, 02:01:03 PM
Better off buying a lottery ticket!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 22, 2008, 02:59:27 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 22, 2008, 09:57:38 AM
I am totally disillusioned by this weeks scoop6, I am resorting to just doing a two pound one, not even doing a perm as the all weather races make me sick!!

Thinking about piling my last couple of weeks wages on to Binocular and Kauto Star... Just as long as Big Frank doesn't mention them, hes a f**king blink!

Frank tipped kauto in the football thread so i di not do the bet thank f**k...

Still 3768 tickets left in the scoop6

I don't see how you would be better doing the lotto, is it not 14million to one or something? The six last week was 300,000/1 or something, its a bit of craic plus there is a genrous place fund, do you get anything in the lotto if 34 is drawn out and you have 33 or 35??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 22, 2008, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 21, 2008, 09:59:39 AM
Yeah I will... That market the tote put up for how much will be wagered on the scoop6 went like this

9.30am 50-1
9.36am 20-1
9.46am 14-1
9.53am 10-1
10.02am 8-1
10.56am 13-2
12.14pm 5-1
13.00pm 5-2
14.26pm 2-1
15.21pm SUSPENDED

That is for the over £4million selection

Amount Bet So Far Today : £4,167,326

That 50/1 has gotta hurt!!  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 22, 2008, 04:12:53 PM
Scoop6 Win Fund Total : £3,496,091
(£2,037,527 carried over from last week)
There were 8 correct selections each winning £437,011.39

Scoop6 Place Fund Total : £833,466
There were 3260 correct selections each winning £255.60

Scoop6 Bonus Fund Total : £1,529,525
(£904,427 carried over from last week)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on November 23, 2008, 11:53:53 AM
It was great to see that Eddie Lynam had the winner in the last leg of the Scoop 6, a pity it didn't give him a bit of tv exposure with Channel 4. A very decent Meath man  :o

Another good days racing in Navan with Meade having about 4 or 5 favourites on the card. For once I think the crowd mightn't have been too testing on the Proudstown Road Track, but it seems to have teemed down overnight, so probably the ususal boggy ground. Pandorama and Roches Point both look like good horses and if you shop around you can get 2/1 the double.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: antoinse on November 23, 2008, 01:23:04 PM
Great win in Navan today by Pandorama. Looks to be one of the bankers for Cheltenham already. Ladbrokes are 7/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 23, 2008, 04:19:49 PM
Very happy with Pandorama there today...

Got him at 14s with stan james start of november

6s now

8)

Meades record at cherltenham though  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 23, 2008, 07:10:50 PM
Oh yeah, does anyone follow Tom Segal's (Pricewise) tips in the Racing Post??

Knows his stuff, I have sort of followed him since he tipped Newmill for the Champion Chase a couple years ago at 16/1

He got the two big winners today, Notre Pere and Black Appalachi tipped up at prices of 12/1 and 20/1...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on November 27, 2008, 01:09:51 PM
From a decent source of tips.

1.30 Thurles talkingtonbates 11/2 e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 27, 2008, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on November 27, 2008, 01:09:51 PM
From a decent source of tips.

1.30 Thurles talkingtonbates 11/2 e/w

5/1 in from 17/2 on Betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on November 27, 2008, 01:40:33 PM
Beat into 2nd
Think a 16/1 won, the weight must have fcuked it :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
Got it at 11/2 ew.  Better than a poke in the eye I suppose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 27, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
Did you manage to get any dollars on them two horses Nail??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 28, 2008, 11:57:12 PM
What about the Hennessy 2mrw lads? It seems a fairly even field.It would just be like Nicholls to hack up with Big Bucks but I dunno.He definitely owes me a big run after the last few weeks.This Character Building could be a good one.It or Albertas Run maybe
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 29, 2008, 11:32:05 AM
character builing a no go

newcastle abandoned as well, ragin was a good chase and the fighting fifth also
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 29, 2008, 11:37:56 AM
Looks like the fighting Fifth might be lost altogether. The Newcastle clerk of the course (quoted in Sporting Life):

"If the race is to be saved we would need to find a suitable venue and timing is an issue as there are so many decent races on at the moment - the Christmas Hurdle is not that far away so it will be difficult to reschedule I would suspect."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: milltown row on November 29, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
slim pickings, £5 each way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 29, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
You could say say it's too soon after his last run, but I don't see why Snoopy Loopy can't go close to his brilliant display of last week. If he does, he's great value at the weights - 17.5 on Betfair and I've had a wee nibble.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 29, 2008, 02:59:25 PM
Ah well, it certainly would have been wiser to back Snoopy for a place.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 06, 2008, 12:03:46 PM
Tip from the foresters next door here for

Balamory Dan

1.15 Wetherby

20/1

Do with this what you like...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 06, 2008, 01:45:27 PM
STONE LAST!!!

:D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 06, 2008, 03:54:50 PM
What an exhibition by McCoy today - practically carrying the last two winners home. Outstanding and a great day's entertainment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 08, 2008, 12:38:48 PM
Twould be a cardinal sin if we didnt get a few bob on in the 4.40 at yam yam land
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 01:18:19 PM
Just got kalmo bay there @7/1 delightful start
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 01:21:35 PM
This is the one you want to get on at wolverhampton 4.40 today


(4)  092102 Richelieu
J J Lambe A Culhane 12/1 13/2 Bet

Quickly because it is going down in odds as we speak do it ew
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 08, 2008, 01:57:48 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 01:21:35 PM
This is the one you want to get on at wolverhampton 4.40 today


(4)  092102 Richelieu
J J Lambe A Culhane 12/1 13/2 Bet

Quickly because it is going down in odds as we speak do it ew

6/1 now i stuck €10 e.w on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 08, 2008, 02:24:34 PM
Still 8/1 online with a good few bookmakers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 08, 2008, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 08, 2008, 02:24:34 PM
Still 8/1 online with a good few bookmakers!

f**k paddy power hope i backed the right horse  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 08, 2008, 02:33:17 PM
No point in doing it now Big Frank has mentioned it  :D :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 08, 2008, 02:38:06 PM
I fancy Ryedane in that race meself, but I don't like his price - 4.5 at the moment.  I've put a few bob on at 5.5 - not matched yet, probably won't be.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 02:38:39 PM
sit back lads and watch it come with a late run to steal the win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 02:39:59 PM
hardy i normally back rydane but he has had too many chances now for me. So i am taking a bigger price. Riche luvs the trip and will hopefully be there are there abouts
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on December 08, 2008, 02:41:05 PM
Personally I wont be doing it.  JJ Lambe is after getting third with Inner Voice in the 1.50.  It was backed from 20's into 12's before the off.  Inner Voice is to the best of my knowledge owned by a Belfast bookie, one of his employees is a regular poster on here.
Would a trainer send the word out about the wrong horse to deflect attention?  I dont know but I'll watch the race with interest without any hope of financial reward.  I hope the horse wins but wont chance it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 08, 2008, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 08, 2008, 02:33:17 PM
No point in doing it now Big Frank has mentioned it  :D :P
Cheers Sideline,havent backed it and wont be,just saying that their is 8/1 available lol:) Good luck all
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 08, 2008, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 02:39:59 PM
hardy i normally back rydane but he has had too many chances now for me. So i am taking a bigger price. Riche luvs the trip and will hopefully be there are there abouts

I'm not that much into the flat, so don't take much notice of what I say, but I think Ryedane is well treated by the handicapper after two wins and two places and never more than 5 lengths off the winner in his last seven outings and the 3 lb claim will help further.

Best of luck anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 08, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
I stuck the christmas money on it at 8s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 03:39:06 PM
I have a mate who is a bookie and i have been just told that there has been a massive move for this horse somewhere is portadown. somewhere in the region of £1000 on it. This may be a result of this thread  :D :D. I have merley put it up as my nap of the day so wouldn't want anyone losing the christmas money lecale lad. No presies for the kids and all that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 08, 2008, 03:42:16 PM
Incomparable faded over this trip when fourth behind Ingleby Arch at Southwell and he looks more effective over the minimum trip. Any market move for the Irish raider Spiritina on her handicap bow would be interesting but RADIATOR ROONEY revels on polytrack and the booking of the excellent George Baker may prove significant.



Sounds like the money for the big outsider is "RADIATOR ROONEY"

Win ya couldn't pick your hole...lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 04:08:43 PM
as i say our fella that is my fancy but you can feel free to pick your own hole ;)

Race Overview: HART OF GOLD is the selection with Richelieu and Choisette the most likely dangers. Ron Harris is always respected with his sprint handicappers and while his four-year-old isn't quite the force he was of old, he does act around this circuit and is potentially well treated on some of his older form. He ran a reasonable race at Kempton last time out and can be anticipated to run another solid race here. Richelieu ran creditably in an apprentices race at the track and will be under stronger handling today with Tony Culhane booked. Choisette is proven over the trip though is prone to throwing in the odd modest run. Sendreni drops in trip while River Kirov, who also represents Michael Wigham, is watched in the market given the booking of Chris Catlin. Dualagi put up two fair efforts at Kempton last month and may be best of the rest. Incomparable's recent wins have come at Southwell so it remains to be seen as to whether he will be quite so effective on this surface. Ryedane looks fully exposed. Hart Of Gold is our selection.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bacon on December 08, 2008, 04:39:38 PM
I don't normally back horses but I've £30 EW on this one at 7/1. He's hoping for a good Christmas.

How many places will they pay out?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bacon on December 08, 2008, 04:42:44 PM
Came from last to win @ 8/1!!

Good man Winsome!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 04:42:56 PM
happy christmas lads  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 08, 2008, 04:43:11 PM
Great call there lads - well done all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 04:44:03 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 02:38:39 PM
sit back lads and watch it come with a late run to steal the win.

I think you will find that is the way it panned out.

Got £30 on it ew @12's earlier in the day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 08, 2008, 04:45:06 PM
Great work , wish i had more on it now   >:(.

nope

Any winner is a good one no matter how much is on it  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 08, 2008, 05:01:31 PM
Duely noted, and glad I made the call home.

Good man winsamsoon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 08, 2008, 05:13:28 PM
good man Win...Thats the stuff to give them bookie hoors...wish i had off backed it but i'll just keep my winnings from yesterday's footy....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 08, 2008, 05:28:15 PM
I wonder if that horse knew that i hadnt backed it,seemed to run a great race lol:):D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 08, 2008, 05:40:55 PM
Ok lads as i am still on a high from the 4:40. i would urge you to get some of your hard earned on lewis Hamilton to win the BBC sports personality of the year. He is currently a massive  :o 9/4  ::) second favourite behind Rebbecca Adlington (5/6). Motor racing in Britain is massive and they will vote for hamilton in hundreds because he is far more marketable than Adlington. I think i will hit this one big time. Even if you look at the past winners of the SPOTY any motor racing guy that done well in the season usually won it or was pipped by a boxer. I can't see anyone else winning this one so i will leave you guys to ponder it over.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 09, 2008, 07:49:37 AM
Great tip Winsamsoon. Cheers. I agree with your take on the BBC thing. Hamilton's in to 7/4 now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 09:02:03 AM
Quote from: jaykay on December 08, 2008, 02:41:05 PM
Personally I wont be doing it.  JJ Lambe is after getting third with Inner Voice in the 1.50.  It was backed from 20's into 12's before the off.  Inner Voice is to the best of my knowledge owned by a Belfast bookie, one of his employees is a regular poster on here.
Would a trainer send the word out about the wrong horse to deflect attention?  I dont know but I'll watch the race with interest without any hope of financial reward.  I hope the horse wins but wont chance it.

Inner Voice is owned by a Lurgan bookie actually jaykay, what made you think I was from Belfast?

Got a word yesterday from Lambe himself that Inner Voice would get up for a place, though the weights were killing it, also he said that Red Moloney wouldn't be beat (won at 5/6 in race where he had a runner) and that Richelieu would at least place... The computers were fucked in work yesterday though and I could not get on here, that was why I had my boss in with me and he was on phone to Lambe...

Good time for it lads coming up to christmas eh??

Now for Noland today...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 09:03:18 AM
Joking about Noland there, havent looked at the race properly yet...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 09, 2008, 11:11:10 AM
Heard good reports about joncol. Running today at Punchestown 3.05. Worth a few quid id say!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 11:24:25 AM
Currently 5/2 Joncol from an opening 4/1 with Paddy Power!
Noland currently 2/1,possibly xmas double:)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 09, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 11:24:25 AM
Currently 5/2 Joncol from an opening 4/1 with Paddy Power!
Noland currently 2/1,possibly xmas double:)

War Of Attrition will beat Noland today...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 11:29:53 AM
Im just posting the prices,not tippin the horses lol:)Last horse i said would win Kauto Star,we know how that ended!!:D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 09, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
Some good bookie bashing yesterday lads. Well done.

Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 09, 2008, 11:11:10 AM
Heard good reports about joncol. Running today at Punchestown 3.05. Worth a few quid id say!

Heard the same, has been well backed too


Also heard whispers for...

Chicago Grey 12.35 Puchestown
Luscivious 1.00 Southwell
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 12:28:50 PM
Joncol best priced 9/4,alot of money for this horse!Hope gamble is landed:)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 09, 2008, 12:41:08 PM
Chicago Grey 12.35 Puchestown 3rd.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 09, 2008, 01:02:15 PM
Was given a tip for that table talk in the 1.05 Punchestown on the weekend, only just twigged that its running.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 09, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 09, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
War Of Attrition will beat Noland today...

I think so, too, though I'd be worried about the going. He was beaten in this two years ago as Gold Cup champion in similar conditions. Looking forward to the battle between these two anyway. It'll tell us a lot about WOA.

I fancy Watson Lake for a place, but it's a bit skinny at 2.86.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 09, 2008, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: maddog on December 09, 2008, 01:02:15 PM
Was given a tip for that table talk in the 1.05 Punchestown on the weekend, only just twigged that its running.

So much for tips
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 09, 2008, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 09, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
Chicago Grey 12.35 Puchestown
Luscivious 1.00 Southwell

1 place and a nowhere sounds about right  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 09, 2008, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 09, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
War Of Attrition will beat Noland today...

I think so, too, though I'd be worried about the going. He was beaten in this two years ago as Gold Cup champion in similar conditions. Looking forward to the battle between these two anyway. It'll tell us a lot about WOA.

I fancy Watson Lake for a place, but it's a bit skinny at 2.86.

Well thats my only fear is the going, if WOA takes to it he'll win with the c**k out...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 09, 2008, 02:57:36 PM
Ok after losing some of my winnings from yesterdays tip on stupid bets on the Spurs V West Ham game i am going to put €10 on a horse today to try get some of it back.   

I have no paper so not going to chance picking one at random.

Who is going to claim the glory of picking me a winner?

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 09, 2008, 02:59:42 PM
Joncol 11/4 3:05 Punchestown.

Not gonna make you rich but its better than a poke in the eye.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 09, 2008, 03:07:01 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 09, 2008, 02:59:42 PM
Joncol 11/4 3:05 Punchestown.

Not gonna make you rich but its better than a poke in the eye.

Have it on now anyway, there at the post
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:11:18 PM
You are letting the side down illdecide, we need winsam back with some wuality winners!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 09, 2008, 03:15:28 PM
#f**k that was close  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 09, 2008, 02:59:42 PM
Joncol 11/4 3:05 Punchestown.

Not gonna make you rich but its better than a poke in the eye.

Good shout sideline...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 09, 2008, 03:16:21 PM
Squeaky bum time or what? Great calling on this thread these days lads.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 09, 2008, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 09, 2008, 02:59:42 PM
Joncol 11/4 3:05 Punchestown.

Not gonna make you rich but its better than a poke in the eye.

Good shout sideline...

NEXT
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 09, 2008, 03:17:47 PM
never even got to look at the old nags today lads i can't access the old gamblers in work because of filters. But glad to see the lads getting the odd winner. May they keep coming ten fold.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 11:24:25 AM
Currently 5/2 Joncol from an opening 4/1 with Paddy Power!
Noland currently 2/1,possibly xmas double:)

And im back!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 09, 2008, 03:22:15 PM
Didnt do it myself  :D

Thats the confidence I had in myself! Still, nice to see someone win off it!  Good man cavan4ever.

Got a double up this morn so I'm content for the daym, Bewery Man and Noland.

A few teams done for tonight too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 09, 2008, 03:28:10 PM
Its good to get the odd winner thanks for the tip sidleine!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:31:49 PM
We should get an old tipping comp going here for the few of us who wanna... We all pick a horse every day, and have an imaginary tenner on it, then at the end of the day tot the totals up... and so on for a while, see who the best tipster is!!

You would range from ppl tipping long shots to bigfrank sticking his tenner on a 1/5 shot!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 03:33:16 PM
Cant beat a winner Niall lol:)Have u not seen my posts today,ur killin me here:D Got footy cert for 2nite,postin it now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 03:33:16 PM
Cant beat a winner Niall lol:)Have u not seen my posts today,ur killin me here:D Got footy cert for 2nite,postin it now

Good lad I have to give your dues, you have done well today....

Fella in my place here waiting on Perfectly Composed for a 20quid quad (first three 6/1 11/4 and 6/4)...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:42:11 PM
Perfectly Composed 3rd, sickener for him!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 03:43:16 PM
I really should have picked the winner in the 3.30 southwell :P :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 03:43:16 PM
I really should have picked the winner in the 3.30 southwell :P :P :P

good one frank

Southwell 3.30

1st    5 Ugenius 7-1
2nd    13 Jojesse 12-1
3rd    4 Kingsmaite 13-2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 03:33:16 PM
Cant beat a winner Niall lol:)Have u not seen my posts today,ur killin me here:D Got footy cert for 2nite,postin it now

Good lad I have to give your dues, you have done well today....

Fella in my place here waiting on Perfectly Composed for a 20quid quad (first three 6/1 11/4 and 6/4)...
Would have been worth just over £6000,nice lift b4 xmas!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on December 09, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 09, 2008, 11:11:10 AM
Heard good reports about joncol. Running today at Punchestown 3.05. Worth a few quid id say!

it near give me a heart attack at the end but a good call.. exxppeeeiieenncccee
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 09, 2008, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 09, 2008, 03:31:49 PM
We should get an old tipping comp going here for the few of us who wanna... We all pick a horse every day, and have an imaginary tenner on it, then at the end of the day tot the totals up... and so on for a while, see who the best tipster is!!

You would range from ppl tipping long shots to bigfrank sticking his tenner on a 1/5 shot!!  ;)

Sounds like a good idea Nail, il participate when I can.  I do have work to do at times believe it or not!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 10, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
Anyone fancy anything today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 10, 2008, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: cavan4ever on December 10, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
Anyone fancy anything today?

Quit when you're ahead!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on December 10, 2008, 11:26:29 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 10, 2008, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: cavan4ever on December 10, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
Anyone fancy anything today?

Quit when you're ahead!

Where's it running?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 11:46:42 AM
Theres one I am doing in the first at Leicester, AU COURANT, Henderson and McCoy, hasn't ran in a couple years I am only going on it on the back of recent McCoy/Henderson partnerships... About 9/4 2nd favourite behind QUICKBEAM which will go off about evens or odds on, no value though...

THIS IS NOT A TIP, REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A TIP!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 10, 2008, 11:49:14 AM
Thanks for the tip Nail must do that myself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 10, 2008, 11:49:14 AM
Thanks for the tip Nail must do that myself.

ha ha
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on December 10, 2008, 12:49:10 PM
Niall-A friend of mine told me the owner was Belfast based, apologies for that.

I went to Punchestown and backed 5 winners, nice money spinner before Christmas.  In fairness you would have to have been useless not to make a few quid there, there was good word around for Joncol and Bob's in the bumper.

I got word for Borero the last day he won, before the race I was told it was the best handicapped horse in Charlie Manns yard.  It only won by 1l that day, I didnt see the race so I dont know if he was pulling up at the line or flat out.  He runs again today at 2.20 and is only up 3lbs for the last win.  I havent heard anything today but at 4/1 I think hes worth a few quid, he owes me nothing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 11:46:42 AM
Theres one I am doing in the first at Leicester, AU COURANT, Henderson and McCoy, hasn't ran in a couple years I am only going on it on the back of recent McCoy/Henderson partnerships... About 9/4 2nd favourite behind QUICKBEAM which will go off about evens or odds on, no value though...

THIS IS NOT A TIP, REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A TIP!!

Au Courant won well, drifted to 4/1 happy days had twenty on it, was gonna do more but the long lay off discouraged me

Stable in cracking form, McCoy a legend

As for Sam Thomas, fell on the favourite...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 10, 2008, 12:59:11 PM
Cheers Our Nail ten spot on it lifted the gloom!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 10, 2008, 01:01:58 PM
Had Quickbeam done in a double, useless ****.

Never took your "tip" Nail  >:(

Gimme something good for the day...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on December 10, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
Good lad Our Niall, stuck a couple of quid on there at lunchtime. It was 7/4 at 12.35pm, was gonna take a price but didnt bother !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 10, 2008, 01:12:15 PM
This is not a tip lol:) :o :o Good shout Niall
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 10, 2008, 01:12:35 PM
Minder get a Paddy Power account as they have best price guarantee on all races, I backed it at 9/4 but was able to collect at 4/1, couldn't do that with Ladbrokes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 10, 2008, 01:13:32 PM
William hill dont give u best price either the miserable c$$ts!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on December 10, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on December 10, 2008, 01:12:35 PM
Minder get a Paddy Power account as they has best price guarantee on all races, I backed it at 9/4 but was able to collect at 4/1, couldn't do that with Ladbrokes.

I have one but hardly ever use it, it was getting too handy ! Cant get on it at work anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tieroan on December 10, 2008, 01:35:13 PM
I have a Paddypower online account and I never knew they offered best price gaurentee. Explain to me please. If I put money on a horse at 4/1 and it goes out to 6 after I bet do i get 6s??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2008, 01:35:51 PM
Lads try this link in work, it should work

http://www.boylesportssafc.com/

Boylesports also guarantee all early prices
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 10, 2008, 01:36:40 PM
Quote from: tieroan on December 10, 2008, 01:35:13 PM
I have a Paddypower online account and I never knew they offered best price gaurentee. Explain to me please. If I put money on a horse at 4/1 and it goes out to 6 after I bet do i get 6s??

Yes. Simple as that!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: jaykay on December 10, 2008, 12:49:10 PM
Niall-A friend of mine told me the owner was Belfast based, apologies for that.

I went to Punchestown and backed 5 winners, nice money spinner before Christmas.  In fairness you would have to have been useless not to make a few quid there, there was good word around for Joncol and Bob's in the bumper.

I got word for Borero the last day he won, before the race I was told it was the best handicapped horse in Charlie Manns yard.  It only won by 1l that day, I didnt see the race so I dont know if he was pulling up at the line or flat out.  He runs again today at 2.20 and is only up 3lbs for the last win.  I havent heard anything today but at 4/1 I think hes worth a few quid, he owes me nothing.

Borero non runner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 01:54:03 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 10, 2008, 01:01:58 PM
Had Quickbeam done in a double, useless ****.

Never took your "tip" Nail  >:(

Gimme something good for the day...

So after mocking me you went against me?? Serves you right.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 10, 2008, 01:56:28 PM
I didn't go against you as such.  You just gave your preference and made it clear it was not a tip. I had a different opinion. Obviously my opinion isn't worth a sh1te!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on December 10, 2008, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: jaykay on December 10, 2008, 12:49:10 PM
Niall-A friend of mine told me the owner was Belfast based, apologies for that.

I went to Punchestown and backed 5 winners, nice money spinner before Christmas.  In fairness you would have to have been useless not to make a few quid there, there was good word around for Joncol and Bob's in the bumper.

I got word for Borero the last day he won, before the race I was told it was the best handicapped horse in Charlie Manns yard.  It only won by 1l that day, I didnt see the race so I dont know if he was pulling up at the line or flat out.  He runs again today at 2.20 and is only up 3lbs for the last win.  I havent heard anything today but at 4/1 I think hes worth a few quid, he owes me nothing.

Borero non runner

I'll beon AP so, you could have got 10/1 on-line with Paddy Power last night.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 02:13:43 PM
edit to say: NO BET!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 02:30:41 PM
Fella from Glenavy trained last winner at Leicester Midnight Chase
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 10, 2008, 02:42:48 PM
Nail what do ya reckon of "Katchit" on sat...I think it's around 11/2 at the mo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 02:55:43 PM
Katchit hasnt set the world alight this season, second to snap tie then killed by the weights when losing to chomba womba

Saying that its record at cheltenham is unbelievable, think its last six form at chelt is 111121 inc winning the Champ Hurdle and the Triumph at the festival last two years...

Will be top weight again saturday and at that price will obviously offer good each way value

I dont think Crack Away Jack is worth a shite and will not trouble the top hurdlers come March

I am probably Binoculars number one fan and was literally creaming my pants watching it cruise to its last win without even getting outta first gear and I think it willt ake all the beating...

Betting: Binocular 6/4, Crack Away Jack 7/2, Katchit 5/1, Chomba Womba 7/1...

As long as Katchit stays over 9/2 I might do it each way and the forecast: Binocular 1st, Katchit 2nd.

edit: Just looking Katchit has some form 11211111/13211-23, 15 runs over hurdles and never out of the top3... what a class wee horse...

I also have fond memories of it when it had its first run last year I had a ton on it and it saved my week in belfast for halloween was on the rip the whole time with the winnings!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2008, 03:01:19 PM
Niall what odds French's giving on Binocular at the weekend? Thinking of doing a serious double with and Kauto for the King George. Kauto 6/4?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2008, 03:01:19 PM
Niall what odds French's giving on Binocular at the weekend? Thinking of doing a serious double with and Kauto for the King George. Kauto 6/4?

6/4 at the min Mickey but I am sure if you came in Saturday morn I could accommodate you with a better price... Aye Kauto is 6/4 for the KG
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2008, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2008, 03:01:19 PM
Niall what odds French's giving on Binocular at the weekend? Thinking of doing a serious double with and Kauto for the King George. Kauto 6/4?

6/4 at the min Mickey but I am sure if you came in Saturday morn I could accommodate you with a better price... Aye Kauto is 6/4 for the KG

What would u lay me for the special double? Festive spirit and all included!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2008, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2008, 03:01:19 PM
Niall what odds French's giving on Binocular at the weekend? Thinking of doing a serious double with and Kauto for the King George. Kauto 6/4?

6/4 at the min Mickey but I am sure if you came in Saturday morn I could accommodate you with a better price... Aye Kauto is 6/4 for the KG

What would u lay me for the special double? Festive spirit and all included!

I will have to wait until the day to see the prices available and make my judgement then....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 03:24:51 PM
By the way, f**king raging I chickened out of backing Zacharova...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 10, 2008, 03:28:37 PM
Selection Selection Details Result
1 Horse Racing   
  LEICESTER
  2:20 HANDICAP CHASE 2m 7f 110yds
  10th of Dec 2008 2:20 pm
  Forecast 
  Zacharova   
  Twilight Eagle 

;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 03:29:58 PM
Forecast paid 7.25, well done SK
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 10, 2008, 03:32:19 PM
Was about time Nail, my account was heading back towards its favourite number...0.

Glad to get one the day!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 03:35:03 PM
The horse racing thread has fairly took off these days??

A sign of the credit crunch lads??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on December 10, 2008, 03:39:09 PM
Took a hammering last week & decided to give punting a miss for this week ::) :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 10, 2008, 05:24:21 PM
5
(12)  211301 Musical Script
Mouse Hamilton-fairley Dane O'Neill   3/1

I like the looks of this one lads with the trip the only possible danger. may be a bit on the sharp side. Both i am going to have a punt on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 06:30:53 PM
Good luck, I wouldnt have a punt on the cat iltter unless had a tip or was on the beer...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 10, 2008, 06:53:17 PM
3rd wipe out. >:( :D needs the extra furlong
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 11, 2008, 08:51:18 AM
Good racing today, my horse alerts have some cracker horses this morning...

LUDLOW ABANDONED, pity I was looking to back Deep Purple...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 11, 2008, 08:53:18 AM
I am legend I think will get a wee backing, is it worth doing Nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 11, 2008, 09:10:55 AM
Like the look of Mahogony Blaze today in 1.40 at Huntingdon-  Coming from an inform yard and an inform jockey.

Also Spring Dream in the 1.10.

What you think Nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 11, 2008, 09:25:55 AM
ye would want to change the title to " the ask nail thread "  ;) i hope your on commission nail , some good tips the last few days lads keep it up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 11, 2008, 11:47:04 AM
whats worth a punt today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 11, 2008, 12:43:30 PM
Money for Weybridge Light 19.50
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 11, 2008, 01:05:12 PM
Kia Kaha Taunton 14.20    Mc Coy is saddling him -  get on !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 11, 2008, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 11, 2008, 01:05:12 PM
Kia Kaha Taunton 14.20    Mc Coy is saddling him -  get on !

:-\  could have been worse only had a €10 on him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 11, 2008, 02:38:54 PM
Me too.  Except £ not yoyos. Ah well. Got my footy bet up last night so have a bit to play with!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 11, 2008, 02:41:14 PM
Yeah i have still some left over from Monday and Tuesday so not bothered it's a bit of craic.  Only recently copped on that i can watch the races that i have backed aswell which makes it better.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 11, 2008, 02:45:44 PM
Been flat out today lads, probably a good thing, I def would have backed Kia Kaha if I could get out for it...

Cant believe I missed Monets Garden, had told a couple boys about it, its some horse over 2 and a half...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 11, 2008, 02:48:52 PM
I've used the "to be placed" part of the betting in PP and it lets you do doubles trebles etc so it can be a good money maker!  Although any short price fav you are looking at 1-8 up to be placed so you still need to take a bit of a chance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 11, 2008, 02:53:09 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 11, 2008, 02:48:52 PM
I've used the "to be placed" part of the betting in PP and it lets you do doubles trebles etc so it can be a good money maker!  Although any short price fav you are looking at 1-8 up to be placed so you still need to take a bit of a chance.

Check you are getting value though before you do the bet, make sure the place odds is no more than 1/4 the original price...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 11, 2008, 03:12:45 PM
Mtoto's Prince 3.10 Huntington

33/1 into 12/1,race just off!!Could have a chance :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 11, 2008, 03:13:36 PM
Did Ellen Tilley here, my granny was called ellen!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 11, 2008, 03:16:49 PM
Good shout Niall:)Great finish!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 11, 2008, 03:19:46 PM
Happy enough, had 17 loose from my football bet so stuck it on ellen, my run of luck continues!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 11, 2008, 03:46:10 PM
Stuck some of my winnings on Its Tough here at Taunton, am trying to make up for not having a punt all day now!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 11, 2008, 04:17:12 PM
dicked!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 11, 2008, 04:33:31 PM
All in all not a bad week for you Nail! Think I'll wait til weekend before touching anything else.  Unless a good tip comes this way  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 11, 2008, 04:39:44 PM
Mark Johnston sends one horse to Great Leighs tonight, its first time out Flamsteed in the 8.20, stable amongst the winners in the last few days. Probably in around 3/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 12, 2008, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: maddog on December 11, 2008, 04:39:44 PM
Mark Johnston sends one horse to Great Leighs tonight, its first time out Flamsteed in the 8.20, stable amongst the winners in the last few days. Probably in around 3/1

Ran as green as grass, didnt face the corner well or the kick back from the sand. Beaten a few lengths in the end. One to watch out for next time out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 09:33:44 AM
You weren't alone maddog, I worked late last night and thee was a lot of people in backing the horse...

Cheltenham has passed an inspection today, though there is a further inspection at 10am for the cross country race, which is a shame as it is one of my favourite races to watch I think it is brilliant entertainment... I also want to give myself the task fo picking between Enda Bolgers runners!!

Coverage 12.30 on channel4, I am off so I am gonna study the cards here!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
You would fancy L'ami today of Bolgers four but you can never rule out Nina either I suppose!

Weapons Amensity in Gowran Park is running at a good price-  Only saying this though and I wouldnt put it as a definate tip-  Worth taking a look at.

My NAP is Loom in the 2.20 at Doncaster.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 12, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
Todays lucky 15 lads

Ballyfitz 12:10 cheltenham
Possol 13:55 cheltenham
Honest John 13:10 doncaster
Swiss Art 12:20 Southwell.

I shall have a crack at these lads just for a wee interest. Not great prices but if they win you are playing with the bookies money.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 12, 2008, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: maddog on December 12, 2008, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: maddog on December 11, 2008, 04:39:44 PM
Mark Johnston sends one horse to Great Leighs tonight, its first time out Flamsteed in the 8.20, stable amongst the winners in the last few days. Probably in around 3/1

Ran as green as grass, didnt face the corner well or the kick back from the sand. Beaten a few lengths in the end. One to watch out for next time out.

Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 09:33:44 AM
You weren't alone maddog, I worked late last night and thee was a lot of people in backing the horse...

You weren't far of the mark here. Johnston sent out two horses out Wednesday afternoon, both won, and sent one out that night and it won too (all 3 at decent prices). So to be fair, any horse that he sent 200 miles the day after had to be backed but it just wasn't to be.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 10:13:43 AM
No I backed Garde Champetre the last day out at Cheltenham when Davy Russell was a little rascal and robbed him of the race, and I am thinking about backing it again today, I know it i top weight but with Nina on board and it has te experiernce, record in cross country events F1112, would have been a first in the last had Dix Villez not skipped the corner!!

Also gonna take Ballyfitz in the first, it is around even money, that is why am sticking it in the double, winner of the Pertemps Final Hurdle at Chetenham last year, has shaped up nicely since turning to fences, two wins from two including a win at cheltenham last month beating a couple of useful horses in Big fella Thanks (2nd yesterday due to Sam Thomas) and West End Rocker...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on December 12, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
Todays lucky 15 lads

Ballyfitz 12:10 cheltenham
Possol 13:55 cheltenham
Honest John 13:10 doncaster
Swiss Art 12:20 Southwell.

I shall have a crack at these lads just for a wee interest. Not great prices but if they win you are playing with the bookies money.  ;)

Spiritual Art you are talking about??

Another horse I follow and think is due a good run in a handicap is SIMON in the 1.55 at Cheltenham, second in this race last year, 15/2 so good each way value as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 11:41:13 AM
Spotted another I like, CALGARY BAY in the 1.45 at Doncaster, about 11/8 2nd fave... Henrietta Knight trains this horse and was a decent hurdler last year beating the likes of Snap Tie and his main rival here I'msingintheblues, was a contender though disappointed in the Supremem Novices Hurdle at the festival, though was placed in another Grade 1 event.

It receives weight from the favourite here and I think it could shock it.

So my four for today:

BALLYFITZ (12.10 C)
SIMON (1.55 C)
GARDE CHAMPETRE (1.20 C)
CALGARY BAY (1.45 D)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 11:44:17 AM
Amended!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 11:44:17 AM
See imsingingtheblues is in Doncaster today, 

Should walk it!  Crazy Price!

See my post above joxer!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 12:14:13 PM
Wonder did Pat The Watcher get the first at Southwell??

Southwell 11.50

1st    4 This Ones For Pat (USA) 16-1
2nd    2 Mystickhill (IRE) 25-1
3rd    7 Hollow Jo    
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 12:20:17 PM
Balls to that, Ballyfitz led the whole way, made a couple slight mistakes, good patient ride from Sam Thomas on What A Friend won at 15/8 owned by Alex Ferguson!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 12:20:40 PM
Bad Start!

12:10 | 4 What A Friend (S Thomas, 15-8 2nd-fav); 1 Ballyfitz (P J Brennan, 5-6 fav); 5 ran.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 12, 2008, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 12:20:40 PM
Bad Start!

12:10 | 4 What A Friend (S Thomas, 15-8 2nd-fav); 1 Ballyfitz (P J Brennan, 5-6 fav); 5 ran.



Cheers boy, what an addition to the board you will be!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 12, 2008, 12:50:37 PM
It was spiritual art Nail but there was also a swiss art and my morning head typed it in instead but Ballyfizt put the dampners on it anyway. but spiritual won at 7/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 01:55:24 PM
Nina give Garde a good ride anyway!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 02:07:21 PM
1:55 Cheltenham | 8 Mon Mome (A Coleman, 11-2 2nd-fav); 1 Star De Mohaison (B J Geraghty, 11-1 ); 7 Possol (M Bradburne, 8-1 );
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on December 12, 2008, 04:52:31 PM
Quote from: jaykay on December 10, 2008, 12:49:10 PM

I got word for Borero the last day he won, before the race I was told it was the best handicapped horse in Charlie Manns yard.  It only won by 1l that day, I didnt see the race so I dont know if he was pulling up at the line or flat out.  He runs again today at 2.20 and is only up 3lbs for the last win.  I havent heard anything today but at 4/1 I think hes worth a few quid, he owes me nothing.

Borero is declared to run tomorrow in Lingfield at 3.10 if it passes the inspection.  It's not a tip but I'll be backing it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 13, 2008, 10:07:20 AM
Cheltenham and Lingfield called off...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 13, 2008, 12:30:40 PM
Terrible news for a saturday. The only day i can get a god bash at the nags
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 16, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
Anyone going to any of the meetings over xmas?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 16, 2008, 09:50:44 AM
I'd like to think I'll get to Leopardstown one of the days. My best day at the races this year was last Sunday. I went to my first point-to-point for years, in Dungourney, Co. Cork. You couldn't be backing horses - you wouldn't know what you'd be backing. I backed one horse for the day and only because I liked the look of him in the ring - he came third. But you couldn't beat it for atmosphere - real down to earth racing. Soft going, with your wellies three inches into the muck, local colour aplenty and you're close enough to the action to smell the horses and hear the jockeys' shouting at each other  "get outa me f***in way", etc. Can't think of a nicer way to spend a winter Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 16, 2008, 09:51:49 AM
Is Passage to India worth a fiver?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on December 16, 2008, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: cavan4ever on December 16, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
Anyone going to any of the meetings over xmas?

I'm going to go to Thurles on Sunday and probably Leopardstown for the Lexus.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 16, 2008, 02:23:41 PM
Got a word for Any Currency in the last at Folkestone, 3.20

Its not a great price though. Just seen its favourite f**k sake, 13/8
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: toiletroller on December 16, 2008, 02:30:37 PM
Niall, is it worth running out the office into the rain to put a fiver on it??!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 16, 2008, 02:46:15 PM
Aye if you want to win 13.13!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 16, 2008, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 16, 2008, 02:46:15 PM
Aye if you want to win 13.13!

thats including the 5 so it's only 8 something.  I put €40 from my pp accocunt on it if it loses im down to €7.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 16, 2008, 03:27:12 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on December 16, 2008, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 16, 2008, 02:46:15 PM
Aye if you want to win 13.13!

thats including the 5 so it's only 8 something.  I put €40 from my pp accocunt on it if it loses im down to €7.

Seven it is!! Came second, sorry lads...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on December 16, 2008, 03:31:31 PM
no need to be sorry, with the amount of winners you have given out over time you can be easily
forgiven!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 16, 2008, 03:32:07 PM
 :D :D

Someone knew about the horse that won anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 16, 2008, 03:33:25 PM
Yeah, the only reason I did the fave was we had a couple of unknown faces in asking for prices on that horse, always rings a bell...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deaconblue on December 16, 2008, 11:28:14 PM
i like jokers legacy in the 3.05 at newbury tmorr.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 17, 2008, 10:42:26 AM
Former Ballydoyler Hebridean makes his Hurdling debut today in 12.20 at Newbury.

I can't help but get a little nostalgic about Istabraq, one of all time favourites. AOB's almost complete focus on the flat has been a great pity for NH racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 17, 2008, 04:56:01 PM
Curley poised to quit racing over prize-money

BARNEY CURLEY is set to quit racing out of frustration after accepting his long crusade to improve prize-money is no nearer reaching its goal.
The legendary gambler-turned-trainer has put his Newmarket yard on the market and is also preparing to sell hisstring of around 20 horses.

An advertisement for 34-box Cleveland House Stables in Hamilton Road, which is available for sale or rent at £60,000 per annum, will appear in the Racing Post later this week with Curley, 69, characteristically pulling no punches in the accompanying copy when explaining his reason for getting out of the sport after being one of its most colourful characters for four decades.

"In the present climate we no longer feel it's justified to provide at a very substantial cost, with no hope of a return, however small, free entertainment for the big bookmakers and the racecourses who seem to have a stranglehold on racing in England," writes Curley who also blames the regulators for not being more proactive where prize-money is concerned.

Curley, who intends to continue living in Newmarket, said: "Racing is just going down the tubes every day in terms of prize-money, and I have just come to the stage where I have had enough of it."

Curley, who has often cut a controversial figure through his clashes with racing authorities and outspoken views, but with a well-earned reputation as a scourge of bookmakers, went on: "If it wasn't for the Maktoum family, the sport would be a complete disaster. People are making fools of you, racing for £1,200 and £1,400, and there just doesn't appear to be any progress being made. It's all a Condoleezza Rice (US Secretary of State) scenario; people flying all over the place andhaving meetings, but achieving nothing.

"I said 15 years ago that the sport had no future, except if there was a strike to bring people to their senses, and I believe that more strongly today than I did then.

"When you look at it in the cold light of day, you are racing for walk-around money. Some of these races are worth so little that you need 14 before you break even. There is no other country in the world I know of that would stand for this."

Among the horses Curley is offering for sale are Faith And Reason, winner of his last two hurdle races, bumper winner The Bonus Ball, the twice successful Elusive Hawk, and Sereth, a five-year-old with decent form in Germany.

Since relinquishing his licence last winter to concentrate on running his charity Direct Aid for Africa, Curley's training operation has been headed by Andrew Stringer whose arrangement runs to the end of the year after which he is looking to pursue a business project of his own.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on December 17, 2008, 05:10:47 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 17, 2008, 04:56:01 PM

It's all a Condoleezza Rice (US Secretary of State) scenario; people flying all over the place andhaving meetings, but achieving nothing.

Thats quality...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 17, 2008, 05:20:14 PM
Barney gave the bookies some cleaning in his time.

The coup in Laytown was supposed to be the best ever.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 17, 2008, 05:23:14 PM
Bellewstown. Yellow Sam. Some stroke.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 17, 2008, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 17, 2008, 05:23:14 PM
Bellewstown. Yellow Sam. Some stroke.


Sorry about that - Bellewstown - one phone in the place - and he had it engaged permanently. Legendary.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 17, 2008, 05:35:39 PM
The racecourse was our playground at school. The bookies were a little unimaginative and/or timid. There was one PUBLIC phone. I'm not sure whether there was a lad in the phone box all the time, but with thousands at stake, if I was a bookie I'd have hauled him out of there pretty quick. Or gone to someone's house or the post office, which was about 150 yards away.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 17, 2008, 05:53:57 PM
Was looking up more about Curley there and found this interesting article

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article1050287.ece
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 17, 2008, 06:13:08 PM
The story I heard was that he put a man in the phone to allegedly make an urgent phone call to a hospital in Dublin about a sick relative.

A real cute hoor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 17, 2008, 06:13:51 PM
18.50 Kempton My Best Bet - EW bet. Don't be going mad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 17, 2008, 07:13:02 PM
Of course - reading that link, I had it arseways. It was an incoming call from the shops to the on-course bookies that was needed to let them know the SP money was on in the shops.

I'm a bit miffed at their description of Bellewstown as an 'obscure' racecourse. They've been racing on The Hill since 1726.

Though there is the story about the queen of England at the Bellewstown races wearing a fox fur hat. Some local lackey admired the hat and asked her how she chose to wear it. Well, says she, I was telling Philip I was coming to the races at Bellewstown and he said "wear the fox hat".
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 01:11:56 PM
Had a fiver in my stan james account, played it up to fourty quid on roulette and decided to stick the lot on Silverburn in the 1.50 at 4/6, now I am regretting it, has been beaten fave 3 of the last 5 runs, I a not confident at all now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on December 18, 2008, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 17, 2008, 05:53:57 PM
Was looking up more about Curley there and found this interesting article

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article1050287.ece

Heres another, was posted on the thread about some boy raffling a house a while ago. Some character aright

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/the-gambling-man-437228.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on December 18, 2008, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 01:11:56 PM
Had a fiver in my stan james account, played it up to fourty quid on roulette and decided to stick the lot on Silverburn in the 1.50 at 4/6, now I am regretting it, has been beaten fave 3 of the last 5 runs, I a not confident at all now.

Chinned me also!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 18, 2008, 02:09:15 PM
Here's the full Yellow Sam story for anyone that wants a look. A master stroke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Sam_betting_coup
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 18, 2008, 02:14:37 PM
Just watched that race in the bookies and Be won it easy with Silverburn struggling 6F out...I was gonna back Be untill it went to 5/2, if i'd have got up earlier it was 4/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 18, 2008, 02:15:21 PM
Nail i noticed in the bookies the other day that Katuo star is 6/4 for boxing day!!! What do ya reckon £200 on and lift £300 ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 18, 2008, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 18, 2008, 02:14:37 PM
Just watched that race in the bookies and Be won it easy with Silverburn struggling 6F out...I was gonna back Be untill it went to 5/2, if i'd have got up earlier it was 4/1

If you snooze you loose!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 18, 2008, 02:21:17 PM
i can say thats me finished with backing silverburn.
one of those horses that always goes off as favourite due to a good win in a grade 1 a few years ago, but rarely delivers

is ruby still waiting on his first win since his injury?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 18, 2008, 02:24:07 PM
Ruby had a winner on his second day back with Scotsirish
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on December 18, 2008, 03:39:46 PM
Kauto Star is 5/4 now with Ladbrokes
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 18, 2008, 03:46:57 PM
Ruby's just ridden another one - Lamanver Homerun at Exeter 3:20.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:19:46 PM
Aye I like Kauto for the King George myself illdecide, the horse clearly loves it round Kempton, I am not sure whether tidal bay will show up now... O ad a double done not so long ago, Kauto at 6/4 with iana to win X Factor, wee bitch!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
You will get just over 6/4 for Kauto on Betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
You will get just over 6/4 for Kauto on Betfair

Minus commission if it wins...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:26:24 PM
Kauto still available at 6/4 with Stan James, Victor Chandler and various other bookeis...

Was shopping there, got myself a little present, Mick Fitzgeralds autobiography, should be a good read

Though I still can't fogive him for Amaretto Rose in the Supreme Novices when I had my biggest bet ever at the time on him!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
You will get just over 6/4 for Kauto on Betfair

Minus commission if it wins...

You can get it at 2.64 less commission, still better than 5/4 unless you are going big nail
But you wouldnt want to spoil Boxing Day if it loses by going big ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
You will get just over 6/4 for Kauto on Betfair

Minus commission if it wins...

You can get it at 2.64 less commission, still better than 5/4 unless you are going big nail
But you wouldnt want to spoil Boxing Day if it loses by going big ;)

How do you know I am going 5/4?? Anyone comes in off the street to me would get 6/4 and thats a fact!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
You will get just over 6/4 for Kauto on Betfair

Minus commission if it wins...

You can get it at 2.64 less commission, still better than 5/4 unless you are going big nail
But you wouldnt want to spoil Boxing Day if it loses by going big ;)

How do you know I am going 5/4?? Anyone comes in off the street to me would get 6/4 and thats a fact!!

I didnt say you were going 5/4
Was looking to see if there is any better value about for those who wanted to back it...........
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 18, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
You will get just over 6/4 for Kauto on Betfair

Minus commission if it wins...

You can get it at 2.64 less commission, still better than 5/4 unless you are going big nail
But you wouldnt want to spoil Boxing Day if it loses by going big ;)

How do you know I am going 5/4?? Anyone comes in off the street to me would get 6/4 and thats a fact!!

ill be down to see you some day soon about that bet Nail...What about the going Nail? what sort of going will Kauto like and dislike so i'll know...I'm seriously thinking about slapping £200 on her to get me a tasty £300 back...Sounds better than any football bet that you'll be looking to get £300 bills of it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 05:30:08 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 18, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: full back on December 18, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
You will get just over 6/4 for Kauto on Betfair

Minus commission if it wins...

You can get it at 2.64 less commission, still better than 5/4 unless you are going big nail
But you wouldnt want to spoil Boxing Day if it loses by going big ;)

How do you know I am going 5/4?? Anyone comes in off the street to me would get 6/4 and thats a fact!!

ill be down to see you some day soon about that bet Nail...What about the going Nail? what sort of going will Kauto like and dislike so i'll know...I'm seriously thinking about slapping £200 on her to get me a tasty £300 back...Sounds better than any football bet that you'll be looking to get £300 bills of it...

Kauto goes best on good to soft ground, heading towards good ground... Kauto is more of a class horse ompared to the likes of Denman who would love a bit of cut in the ground...

Last couple of years the going as been good to soft which it probably will be again, unless there is torrential rain an all in the mean time, which you cannot rule out... Even then on soft going, Kauto should still do it, if I remember correctly the going was soft at Down Royal there in November when he won very easy...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 05:31:09 PM
Also Kempton is a sharp track which will suit Kauto as they would go off at a good pace, and he can pick them off when they get tired... I am talking myself into a bet here...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 18, 2008, 06:28:27 PM
If you ae feeling adventurous illdecide you could not go far wrong with throwing in phil taylor to win the darts at 1/2 for a double with Kauto, makes it an 11/4 shot...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 09:24:43 AM
Just got word for Walls of Jerricho EW.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on December 19, 2008, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 09:24:43 AM
Just got word for Walls of Jerricho EW.

Downpatrick 12:55 - Just incase people have trouble finding it :-P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 19, 2008, 10:02:00 AM
wot kind of price are we talking muzz?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 10:09:55 AM
Tissue price in Racing Post - 25/1

Form:     00-0

Currently 25/1 with bet365, 20s with paddy power and CanBet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 10:09:55 AM
Tissue price in Racing Post - 25/1

Form:     00-0

Currently 25/1 with bet365, 20s with paddy power and CanBet

It was well beaten last time out. It will be trying today but you don't know what the others are up to. No more than a fiver EW.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 19, 2008, 10:27:24 AM
I have my remaining €7 on him so he better f**king win  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 19, 2008, 10:28:10 AM
Nail are you going for it yourself?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 10:30:31 AM
Aye might as well go each way on it... Might go fiver or tenner eachway just for an interest, I would end up putting it on something else that would probably lose anyway!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on December 19, 2008, 10:45:03 AM
Can get it at 7/1 on betfair to be placed.

49/1 to win :-)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 10:48:02 AM
Right thats me on each way now too, no pressure Lecale2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 10:48:49 AM
No pressure at all, I migt text all of my mates saying I have heard about a brick wall cert!  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 10:50:35 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 10:48:02 AM
Right thats me on each way now too, no pressure Lecale2

ye lumped in on him as well, here's hoping or there will be no turkey for christmas
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 10:51:17 AM
I paid for my bet with te money I had scrimped and saved all year to get my children their meagre presents...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 10:51:17 AM
I paid for my bet with te money I had scrimped and saved all year to get my children their meagre presents...

pressure seems to be building on lecale, imagine Nails kids going down to the christmas tree christmas morning and the look on their faces when they seen a torn betting docket instead of presents, heartbreaking stuff
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 11:02:52 AM
Santa is relying on this bet lads, otherwise its gonna be a cold lonely Christmas in Casa Browser.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 11:04:43 AM
Holy f*ck! Steady on lads!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: FermGael on December 19, 2008, 11:08:27 AM
Was just headin to buy the Christmas present for the women LeCale...
But F**k it, put the lot on each way!!! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on December 19, 2008, 11:17:49 AM
This is the big christmas bet I've been waiting for. €30 each way @ 20/1 with PP. He will pay out the starting price if its more. At least €600 if it wins so! Yippee.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 19, 2008, 11:20:00 AM
On it now myself, gonna be a good or very bad xmas!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 11:20:14 AM
Just emptied my credit union account and got my communion money out from under the bed, so this is the big one I have been waiting for, Lecale I want to thank you for making all my dreams come true, you are a real mate for sharing this cert with us all.  A real gent.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
will we meet up somewhere tonight for a celebratory drink lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: FermGael on December 19, 2008, 11:25:36 AM
Let one of my Cavan friends know about this.
He txt back to tell me him and the boy's were heading to the bookies and betting big. 25 cent on each way.
The bookies in Cavan has never seen a day like it.  If this horse wins, he could be out of business this evening
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
will we meet up somewhere tonight for a celebratory drink lads

Get a few bottles of cristal with our winnings?? I fancy a black tie affair, we can all buy new tuxedos out of the winnings!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: FermGael on December 19, 2008, 11:25:36 AM
Let one of my Cavan friends know about this.
He txt back to tell me him and the boy's were heading to the bookies and betting big. 25 cent on each way.
The bookies in Cavan has never seen a day like it.  If this horse wins, he could be out of business this evening

:D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
will we meet up somewhere tonight for a celebratory drink lads

Get a few bottles of cristal with our winnings?? I fancy a black tie affair, we can all buy new tuxedos out of the winnings!!

Good call Nail , i 'll hire a limo to bring me up to meet ye boyo's i know ye won't come down south with the queens pound been so weak
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 19, 2008, 11:29:02 AM
Quote from: FermGael on December 19, 2008, 11:25:36 AM
Let one of my Cavan friends know about this.
He txt back to tell me him and the boy's were heading to the bookies and betting big. 25 cent on each way.
The bookies in Cavan has never seen a day like it.  If this horse wins, he could be out of business this evening

Sure we have to keep all our euro's for buying cheap drink in ASDA .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 19, 2008, 11:35:23 AM
Just walked into the Boss there and told him to go shove his job. Heading to the bookies now with a wheelbarrow full of cash. Good man Lecale!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on December 19, 2008, 11:38:40 AM
Yeesssss. just wat i need in time for next week!


Good man Lecale, you saved Christmas!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 11:39:45 AM
Was there not a thread by someone, silky, looking christmas money?? This could not have come at a better time for the poor fella.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on December 19, 2008, 11:40:49 AM


Starring LeCale:

(http://bp3.blogger.com/_SS0F9KOsPgA/R03H3eAjgFI/AAAAAAAABbc/eOYxW9dFU3k/s1600/The+Night+They+Saved+Christmas.bmp)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: Silky on December 19, 2008, 11:17:49 AM
This is the big christmas bet I've been waiting for. €30 each way @ 20/1 with PP. He will pay out the starting price if its more. At least €600 if it wins so! Yippee.
Happy Christmas Silky!!  ;D

I hear that bookie in Cavan now has Walls of Jericho 4/7 FAV.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: FermGael on December 19, 2008, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: Silky on December 19, 2008, 11:17:49 AM
This is the big christmas bet I've been waiting for. €30 each way @ 20/1 with PP. He will pay out the starting price if its more. At least €600 if it wins so! Yippee.
Happy Christmas Silky!!  ;D

I hear that bookie in Cavan now has Walls of Jericho 4/7 FAV.
Was just about to post that Lecale.  They have even recorded a €1 bet on the nose.  New record for Cavan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 11:52:21 AM
My trixie for the day...

Fistral Beach (12.45 ascot) 7/4
Dee Ee Williams (1.55 ascot) 3/1
Naiad du Misselot (2.30 ascot) 9/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 19, 2008, 11:55:19 AM
Niall what price binocular, kauto double? Will be in in the morning to see you
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: Silky on December 19, 2008, 11:17:49 AM
This is the big christmas bet I've been waiting for. €30 each way @ 20/1 with PP. He will pay out the starting price if its more. At least €600 if it wins so! Yippee.
Happy Christmas Silky!!  ;D

I hear that bookie in Cavan now has Walls of Jericho 4/7 FAV.


bookies have stopped taking bets. Talk that this betting coup could be made into a movie with barney curley taking the lead role as Lecale2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: toiletroller on December 19, 2008, 12:03:49 PM
boys im a bit hung over and slow here but is walls of Jericho the way to go? Is this the bet yous are all on about?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 19, 2008, 12:06:39 PM
Seeing as it's Black Eye Friday I dropped into the pub to tell all the lads to lump on big. All the Christmas bonus money is on. They won't let me leave now - say they want me here for the celebrations. I'm looking forward to that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: toiletroller on December 19, 2008, 12:03:49 PM
boys im a bit hung over and slow here but is walls of Jericho the way to go? Is this the bet yous are all on about?

tis the one allright role on 12.55
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 19, 2008, 12:06:39 PM
Seeing as it's Black Eye Friday I dropped into the pub to tell all the lads to lump on big. All the Christmas bonus money is on. They won't let me leave now - say they want me here for the celebrations. I'm looking forward to that.

You won't need to put your hand in your pocket for the day Hardy with the lads buying you drink from the winnings
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 12:10:07 PM
St Lecale has a nice ring to it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 12:11:45 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 12:10:07 PM
St Lecale has a nice ring to it...


Aye St Lecale patron saint for helpless punters
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 19, 2008, 11:55:19 AM
Niall what price binocular, kauto double? Will be in in the morning to see you

Binoular best price 11/8
Kauto best price 6/4

Double pays just shy of 5/1... Very tempted myself there Mickey... Unfortunately you won't be in to see me as I am off all week!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 19, 2008, 12:13:34 PM
Lads just bought one those private boxes in Croker but I was wondering could someone tell me where the nearest Helicopter pad to HQ is?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: toiletroller on December 19, 2008, 12:15:42 PM
il bebuying a helicopter too if these horse comes in!! :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on December 19, 2008, 12:20:02 PM
Right lads i havent read the earlier posts, who,what time & what price am i putting my wee girls Santa money on ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Muzz on December 19, 2008, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 09:24:43 AM
Just got word for Walls of Jerricho EW.

Downpatrick 12:55 - Just incase people have trouble finding it :-P


there you go minder
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on December 19, 2008, 12:29:55 PM
Grand job, i am away to Ladbrokes to make a name for myself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 12:30:26 PM
I've been trying to ring my contact at the course but all the phones are engaged!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 19, 2008, 12:31:54 PM
Pictures coming through from Downpatrick
(http://www.cheltenhamfestival.net/cheltenham%20festival%20bookmakers.jpg)


While in Cavan complete anarchy has broken out
(http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/migration/img_up/up_3/3261_1.JPG)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bacon on December 19, 2008, 12:39:43 PM
Let's hope she doesn't fall like the real Walls of Jeciho! They should keep the Salvation Army Band well away from her.

I'm on it too. £2.50 each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 12:45:25 PM
25/1 now on Paddy Power, our money is making a difference (like Children in Need).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: toiletroller on December 19, 2008, 12:46:22 PM
Ive passed the info on to my inner circle. if its doesnt come in ive no mates to hang with over the holidays ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on December 19, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
if this comes in the drinks are on me for xmas ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on December 19, 2008, 12:51:10 PM
Not a bean for it on course ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on December 19, 2008, 12:54:25 PM
It would be quer craic if it won! Cant see it though. We'll hear much from Lecale after 1.00.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on December 19, 2008, 12:59:55 PM
stuffed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 01:02:10 PM
Feck it.  >:( Still be running this time next week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 19, 2008, 01:11:18 PM
Just logged on there and started readin from a few pages back,very funny posts lads,well done!!But was like a bear for missing the chance to back this horse,didnt want to be the one left closing the helicopter door!! ;D ;D :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 01:44:47 PM
Gonna be a lean christmas!! Lean, lean, lean!

:-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 01:46:32 PM
I am away to join Black Santa for a few days to see if I can get some spends for Christmas  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 19, 2008, 01:50:26 PM
I was never in a ladies' jacks before. They'll never think of looking in here. Will they?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 19, 2008, 01:53:27 PM
Should I dare to say take a wee look for yourself in the 2.45 Southwell, Charles Parnell

I'm only saying this out loud like and like Nail said last week:

THIS IS NOT A TIP! I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A TIP

LeCale 2:  Crucify Him!!! ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on December 19, 2008, 01:54:26 PM
going to be the dryest christmas ever ::)
get on da hammy in the 2.25 in downpatick recoup your losses ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: Joxer on December 19, 2008, 01:53:27 PM
Should I dare to say take a wee look for yourself in the 2.45 Southwell, Charles Parnell

I'm only saying this out loud like and like Nail said last week:

THIS IS NOT A TIP! I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A TIP

LeCale 2:  Crucify Him!!! ;D

WE HAVE HOPE - A NEW CERT!! LUMP ON WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT LADS!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 19, 2008, 01:57:25 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: Joxer on December 19, 2008, 01:53:27 PM
Should I dare to say take a wee look for yourself in the 2.45 Southwell, Charles Parnell

I'm only saying this out loud like and like Nail said last week:

THIS IS NOT A TIP! I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A TIP

LeCale 2:  Crucify Him!!! ;D

WE HAVE HOPE - A NEW CERT!! LUMP ON WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT LADS!!

Brilliant, just what I need! Lost my last remaining £££ on that tip from lecale and also got fired for being caught on PaddyPower, so this is my lifeline or it will be the worst xmas possible.  Heading to the bank now for a small loan to get it on this tip.

Thanks Joxer!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 01:58:12 PM
Joxer goes to Stuttgart if this wins!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on December 19, 2008, 02:13:38 PM
In the same boat as illdecide.  No christmas bonus.  So the whole office is on this one.  Christmas Party tonight so this should set us up for a good night.  Thanks for making everyones christmas Joxer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 02:25:03 PM
Quote from: man in black on December 19, 2008, 12:59:55 PM
stuffed


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo , any word from hardy is he ok did he get out the ladies windows, didn't think that shade of lipstick suited him though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: drici on December 19, 2008, 02:43:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 11, 2008, 08:51:18 AM
Good racing today, my horse alerts have some cracker horses this morning...

LUDLOW ABANDONED, pity I was looking to back Deep Purple...

Well done Our Nail.
Deep Purple wins the 2-30 at Ascot at 9/4.
did you back him today nail ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 19, 2008, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 19, 2008, 01:57:25 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: Joxer on December 19, 2008, 01:53:27 PM
Should I dare to say take a wee look for yourself in the 2.45 Southwell, Charles Parnell

I'm only saying this out loud like and like Nail said last week:

THIS IS NOT A TIP! I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A TIP

LeCale 2:  Crucify Him!!! ;D

WE HAVE HOPE - A NEW CERT!! LUMP ON WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT LADS!!

Brilliant, just what I need! Lost my last remaining £££ on that tip from lecale and also got fired for being caught on PaddyPower, so this is my lifeline or it will be the worst xmas possible.  Heading to the bank now for a small loan to get it on this tip.

Thanks Joxer!
Quote from: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 01:58:12 PM
Joxer goes to Stuttgart if this wins!

OHHHHHHHHHH YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

11/2!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 19, 2008, 02:54:02 PM
You f**king legend Joxer!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 19, 2008, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 02:25:03 PM
any word from hardy is he ok did he get out the ladies windows, didn't think that shade of
lipstick suited him though

Shhhhhh!

There ain't nobody here but us ladies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 02:57:12 PM


Aye St Lecale joxer  patron saint for helpless punters

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on December 19, 2008, 03:38:21 PM
good man joxer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 03:46:28 PM
No I didnt back Deep Purple today, missed it! Looks like its shaping up to be a good chaser and fulfil the potential it showed last year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 03:57:52 PM
PS Top tipping Joxer, come and bask!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 19, 2008, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 19, 2008, 03:57:52 PM
PS Top tipping Joxer, come and bask!

Oh I am Nail!  :D

Would have been a nice wee double there with AP McCoy in the last.  You dont see him riding too many 10-1 shots.

Money to be made on this board!.....somewhere!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on December 20, 2008, 09:27:18 AM
Thank God I was on the rip yesterday and didn't read the hype around Jericho.  Could have lost a fortune. I reckon I'll follow McCoy closely today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 20, 2008, 09:30:02 AM
your a lucky man guillem2 its going to be a sad christmas for a lot of boys on this thread ya wouldn't know where i could get a chaep turkey by any chance ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Guillem2 on December 20, 2008, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 20, 2008, 09:30:02 AM
your a lucky man guillem2 its going to be a sad christmas for a lot of boys on this thread ya wouldn't know where i could get a chaep turkey by any chance ?

There's a few running at Navan later this afternoon!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 20, 2008, 09:38:34 AM
Quote from: Guillem2 on December 20, 2008, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 20, 2008, 09:30:02 AM
your a lucky man guillem2 its going to be a sad christmas for a lot of boys on this thread ya wouldn't know where i could get a chaep turkey by any chance ?

There's a few running at Navan later this afternoon!

:D :D good man guillem i'm on my way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 20, 2008, 10:20:57 AM
Any of you doing a scoop 6 today??

2.10 ascot
2.35 hay
2.45 ascot
2.55 new
3.10 hay
3.25 new

My picks - Punchestowns, Theatre Girl, Ashkazar, Riguez Dancer, Idle Talk, Akilak
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 20, 2008, 12:24:56 PM
Fancy Pettifour for the Long Walk, can't resist taking the 17.0 available on Betfair for the World Hurdle either so watch him break a leg now today.

Binocular is drifting all morning but I still think he'll take all the beating in the Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 20, 2008, 12:44:04 PM
I have went for the Henderson/AP double, Binocular and Aigle d'Or
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 20, 2008, 12:52:54 PM
Haven't heard a thing for him but Line Ball looks interesting 2.00 Navan. A possible Christmas earner for Christy Roche?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 20, 2008, 12:58:53 PM
Have done AP's five runners today (Oedipe, Binocular, Duc de Regniere, Aigle dor and I'm the decider) Ten £2 trebles, five £2 quads and a £5 ew accum...

Heres hoping for another super saturday from the master!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 20, 2008, 01:05:49 PM
I think Katchit is the value bet in the hurdle. People have it in their heads that he can only run at Cheltenham and I'm sure this is adding a point or two to his price that's unjustified. He's running against three four-year-olds and a mare. Four-year-olds don't have a good record in this race. Katchit should be fit after two good outings which he lost because of ground and huge weight. He's only giving 6lb at worst this time and that to the four-year-olds.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 20, 2008, 01:46:39 PM
What a load of nonsense.

Some show by the winner, though. Surely a shoo-in for the Champion Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 20, 2008, 01:50:38 PM
Awesome performance yet still seems to have another gear left to hit.

6/4 7/4 general fav for Champ Hurdle now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 20, 2008, 02:19:18 PM
Punchestowns won without any effort, nice wee 3/1 shot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 20, 2008, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 20, 2008, 12:52:54 PM
Haven't heard a thing for him but Line Ball looks interesting 2.00 Navan. A possible Christmas earner for Christy Roche?

2nd by a head
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 20, 2008, 02:29:08 PM
Nipped over to the bookies to have a small wager on Binocular so I'm pleased with myself. Very very impressive run, seemed to win at a canter.

Punchestowns looks a decent prospect for the World Hurdle now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 20, 2008, 08:34:53 PM
Woohoo! Did a small lucky 15 on Gwanko, Binocular, Newbay Prop and Punchestowns. Covers me nicely for Leopardstown next week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 21, 2008, 10:29:53 AM
Binocular an absolute machine, McCoy didn't move an inch on him, looked like he still had some left in the engine if he needed it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 22, 2008, 09:52:17 AM
Stuck £50 last night on Kauto at 11/8...

What price would Cousin Vinny be at the minute Nail?

It was some days racing on Saturday..  Henderson had a field day! 

Any tips today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 22, 2008, 11:41:52 AM

From RTE Sport

Mouse Morris has decided against sending War Of Attrition to the UK for for the King George VI Chase at Kempton and he will instead line up in Sunday's Lexus Chase at Leopardstown.

The 2006 Cheltenham Gold Cup hero has enjoyed a successful return following a two-year absence, scoring on his first two starts before running a good third in the John Durkan at Punchestown.

Morris had been giving Kempton's December 26 feature serious consideration after walking the track last week but he has decided to chase another Grade One prize closer to home.

'We've decided we're going to stay at home,' said the County Tipperary handler.

'The ground is just soft at the moment rather than heavy and the forecast is good so we are taking our chance that is correct. Basically we are sticking to plan A and this is the race he went for the year he won the Gold Cup so hopefully we can follow that route again.

'It was six of one and half a dozen of the other and he has to beat them wherever he goes so we've decided to go to Leopardstown. He ran really well in ground he didn't like at Punchestown last time and I would say he probably needed that run.

'Obviously he was fit because he'd already had two runs but mentally he needed it as it was the first time since he came back that he was running against real quality opposition. He wasn't fully wound up but I would say he's on track now.'

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 22, 2008, 12:26:58 PM
When top quality national horses get injured, do they ever truly come back ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 22, 2008, 12:37:03 PM
Quote from: maddog on December 22, 2008, 12:26:58 PM
When top quality national horses get injured, do they ever truly come back ?
Its very hard to know really.Iv only been following Horse Racing about 4 years and there havent been too many who have come back from a long lay-off and won some of the top races that I can remember.Brave Incas reappearance a few weeks ago was one of the best performances Iv seen from a horse who had been out for so long,but whether it will go on to win another Champion Hurdle or a World Hurdle is another matter.War of Attrition has done very well but may find 1 or 2 just too good in the big chases this season.

On another matter, all this talk about Binocular and how he has won the Champion Hurdle already(wait till Sizing Europe gets at him),I was just wondering where is Edward Hartys Captain CeeBee this season,if my memory serves me well didnt it beat Binocular at Cheltenham last March?
Our Nail maybe you can answer that one??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on December 22, 2008, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: boojangles on December 22, 2008, 12:37:03 PM
On another matter, all this talk about Binocular and how he has won the Champion Hurdle already(wait till Sizing Europe gets at him),I was just wondering where is Edward Hartys Captain CeeBee this season,if my memory serves me well didnt it beat Binocular at Cheltenham last March?
Our Nail maybe you can answer that one??

Good question.  Cee Bee beat Bincular in the first race of Cheltenham last year.  He was declared to run in a beginers chase in Roscommon last Sept/Oct but didnt go because of the ground and as far as I know there has been no entries since.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 01:06:26 PM
A tip has came in for the 2.20 at kempton from the Foresters beside us in Lurgan

Will I post it up?? We have tooka  couple of big bets on it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 22, 2008, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 01:06:26 PM
A tip has came in for the 2.20 at kempton from the Foresters beside us in Lurgan

Will I post it up?? We have tooka  couple of big bets on it...

yes
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 01:12:26 PM
Taking no responsibility if this is dicked but it is: Key Decision 16/1 in the 2.20 at Kempton

We have took about 100ew on this so far with another few dopey bets....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 22, 2008, 01:13:35 PM
10/1 with Paddy Power now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 01:15:48 PM
Go each way obviously...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 01:17:17 PM
still 16/1 with a lot of bookies, stan james, tote, betfred, blue sq, willhill, betdirect....

One day i was bored and set up accounts for each bookies they use on oddschecker as well as all the local ones, saves you if you are looking a good price...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 01:35:49 PM
I have been sucked in, we took another few bets on it so I have a cheeky tenner each way on it myself...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on December 22, 2008, 01:43:27 PM
Still 16/1 with Ladbrokes too, thanks Our Nail  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 22, 2008, 01:47:44 PM
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.sd?story=26627&argument=646453

Setback curtails Captain Cee Bee's season
By Tony O'Hehir 20.22PM 4 OCT 2008

CAPTAIN CEE BEE, winner of the Supreme Novices Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival in March and 12-1 favourite for the Arkle with Coral and William Hill, is unlikely to run this season.
captainceebeeed
 

The seven-year-old was due to go novice chasing but his trainer Eddie Harty revealed that the J P McManus-owner seven-year-old had met with a setback.

                                                                                   
Harty said: "Unfortunately, Captain Cee Bee has had a setback and is probably going to miss all of this season. There really isn't anything else to say at this stage."

Captain Cee Bee won three of his four starts over hurdles last season before being pulled up at Aintree in April when he was reported to have burst a blood vessel. He beat Binocular, also owned by McManus, when winning at Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 02:02:08 PM
That was announced about Capt Cee Bee months ago Homer!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on December 22, 2008, 01:43:27 PM
Still 16/1 with Ladbrokes too, thanks Our Nail  :P

No thanks til its over, or else bad mouth me! I will be the new Lecale  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 22, 2008, 02:06:19 PM
I know Nail if you read back a few posts Boojangles and Jaykay were wondering what had happened him.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 02:09:41 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 22, 2008, 02:06:19 PM
I know Nail if you read back a few posts Boojangles and Jaykay were wondering what had happened him.



Sorry, didn't notice that!!  :-\ :-[

First show that Key Decision 14/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 02:14:20 PM
Interesting article I saw about how Binocular is a speed horse, and no doubting its class, but will it eer produce its best at an undulating track like Cheltenham, especially with the hill at the end...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bensars on December 22, 2008, 02:17:31 PM
In as well.


Come on ye Hewer ye !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 02:23:40 PM
Nope... Think it was about fifth. f**k sake!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 22, 2008, 02:25:07 PM
Can't say I'm disappointed Nail.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on December 22, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
Lads, placing bets on tips from an internet board poster who works for / is a bookie.......................
Get a titter of wit ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 22, 2008, 02:37:38 PM
I don't think you'd be saying that if you followed all his tips.OurNail has a good record that I know of.
Anyway as the saying goes-''If I give a dog a bone,I don't wanna know if it tastes good or not"" 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: man in black on December 22, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
Lads, placing bets on tips from an internet board poster who works for / is a bookie.......................
Get a titter of wit ;D

I work for a bookie, I don't own a bookies, so how could I benefit from giving people a tip on here??

Plus I very much doubt it would be helping my boss as he only has five offices, in and around Lurgan whereas most on here punt online.

If you look through my history you will see I have give enough winners, I would probably be in profit for a level stake, don't take that as gospel though

I have hardly infiltrated the board in order to get money for myself, wind your neck in you tit
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on December 22, 2008, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: man in black on December 22, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
Lads, placing bets on tips from an internet board poster who works for / is a bookie.......................
Get a titter of wit ;D

I work for a bookie

Ah the sweet smell of success.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 04:12:15 PM
Quote from: man in black on December 22, 2008, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: man in black on December 22, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
Lads, placing bets on tips from an internet board poster who works for / is a bookie.......................
Get a titter of wit ;D

I work for a bookie

Ah the sweet smell of success.

Ive never hid that I work for a bookie, what difference does that make? I am not a bookie, the moeny doesn't go in my pocket, I am a punter like the other people on this thread.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 22, 2008, 04:22:22 PM
After doubling Kauto with Binocular on saturday, the horse is either going to make or break my christmas.
What do u lads think? will he win?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on December 22, 2008, 04:25:48 PM
Nail is out for himself trying to make the most for his bookies in the knowledge once the owner kicks the bucket Nail will be in line to get one in the will.

Nail is a fraud.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 22, 2008, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 22, 2008, 04:22:22 PM
After doubling Kauto with Binocular on saturday, the horse is either going to make or break my christmas.
What do u lads think? will he win?
You have Binocular from last Saturday I presume.I think its gonna win.11/8 is just too big.Kauto is a stone better on ratings when running right handed(like Kempton) He is going for 3-in a row and Nicholls will be mad to win this after failing in a lot of the big races so far this season.Ruby is back on top and I have never seen Kauto run 2 bad races in a row.
Look at the opposition and I cant see anything that can take it on if Kauto gets in its stride.Im a wee bit worried about ImperiaL Commander,he could improve again and has been supported but this should be a step too far.Poor Exotic Dancer altho I would love to see him do it,seems to be gettin further away.Voy Por Ustedes is hit and miss(has it run since beating Master Minded at Aintree?) but you couldnt be confident on it.Air Force One is a good horse but still has a bit to find.
I suppose if only it was that simple we'd all be at it.I doubled Kauto last Stephens Day with Harchibald in the Xmas Hurdle but that p***k Carberry let me down as usual.Not making the same mistake this year.A big Singles bet on Kauto Star at 11/8.HAPPY xMAS.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 22, 2008, 05:09:09 PM
the only danger Kauto has are the dangers he has always had the fences. If he jumps well he wins it is as simple as that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 22, 2008, 05:10:24 PM
Maybe i shouldn't post here as my friend is a bookies  :D :D :D Oh and i also work for one   :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on December 22, 2008, 05:10:24 PM
Maybe i shouldn't post here as my friend is a bookies  :D :D :D Oh and i also work for one   :o :o :o

No you will probably be trying to get them into your or your friends bookies win. Its all a conspiracy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: milltown row on December 22, 2008, 05:21:53 PM
that must be a wind up lads, people give out the tips all the time, if they win everyones your mate, if not, well tough shite. free will and all that. keep the tips coming

for tonights game Cahill is 4/1 to score at anytime

for Chelsea, Lampard is 2/1 to score at any time

Fill your boots, owe and my Grandad (RIP) was a bookie
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: boojangles on December 22, 2008, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 22, 2008, 04:22:22 PM
After doubling Kauto with Binocular on saturday, the horse is either going to make or break my christmas.
What do u lads think? will he win?
You have Binocular from last Saturday I presume.I think its gonna win.11/8 is just too big.Kauto is a stone better on ratings when running right handed(like Kempton) He is going for 3-in a row and Nicholls will be mad to win this after failing in a lot of the big races so far this season.Ruby is back on top and I have never seen Kauto run 2 bad races in a row.
Look at the opposition and I cant see anything that can take it on if Kauto gets in its stride.Im a wee bit worried about ImperiaL Commander,he could improve again and has been supported but this should be a step too far.Poor Exotic Dancer altho I would love to see him do it,seems to be gettin further away.Voy Por Ustedes is hit and miss(has it run since beating Master Minded at Aintree?) but you couldnt be confident on it.Air Force One is a good horse but still has a bit to find.
I suppose if only it was that simple we'd all be at it.I doubled Kauto last Stephens Day with Harchibald in the Xmas Hurdle but that p***k Carberry let me down as usual.Not making the same mistake this year.A big Singles bet on Kauto Star at 11/8.HAPPY xMAS.

I think Exotic Dancer is swerving the King George in favour of the Lexus at leopardstown a few days later
Quote
Barry Simpson, racing manager to owner Sir Robert Ogden, said: "Voy Por Ustedes is a definite runner but at this stage I'm favouring the Lexus Chase for Exotic Dancer, but we will probably keep him in at the 48-hour declaration stage because you never know what can happen with the weather, and we still have to make travel arrangements, the only day he can travel apparently is Tuesday, so we need to get things moving.

"I'm convinced Exotic Dancer is better going left handed, he's not won at Kempton before and I think the Lexus would be a better race for him."

As fir Voy Por, it has had one run back in October, the Old Roan at Aintree, where it was beat by Knowhere, came fourth in the race behind Exotic Dancer and Snoopy Loopy also... Was top weight in this race though and but for a bad mistake two out could have won the race. Though I think the horse is more suited by two and a half (beat Master Minded at Aintree over this distance) rather than the three miles at Kempton.

I think Kauto will take all the beating, as long as the tough Kempton fences don't get him... I will be investing my money on him completing the hat trick this year, think Tidal Bay, last years Arkle winner, will chase him home...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 23, 2008, 10:57:21 AM
Have gone for a wee Christmas bookie bashing treble  :P

King George -  Kauto Star (11/8)
Lexus Chase - Neptunes Collonges (6/4)
December Hurdle - Sizing Europe (6/4)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on December 23, 2008, 12:45:31 PM
Anyone hear Don McClean on The Last Word last night, he did a brief preview of Lepordstown.  He was very keen on Tharawat in the Juvinile Hurldle, Made in Taipan,Trafford Lad and War of Attrition.  He also gave a mention to Air Force One in the King George.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 23, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
A guy takes his monthly wages and heads to the bookies after work. He backs a few horses but they all finish second so he increases his stakes and backs a few more. They too finish second. Coming to the last race of the evening, he realises he has feck all money left and his wife is going to be majorly pissed off with him, but he can't go home with just what he has left so he sticks it all on a 33-1 shot. The horse is 10 lengths clear but falls at the last fence. The guy who had been screaming and jumping up and down like a madman just stares at the screen and his face goes white.

He leaves like everyone else and when he's outside, it starts lashing rain. He fiddles around in his pocket for change for the bus but he doesn't have any left so he resigns himself to having to walk home in the rain for 90 minutes, face his wife and tell her that he lost his monthly wages.

As he starts walking, the sole of his shoe rips right off and starts flapping in the puddles of rain. He can't take it anymore. He just sits down on the ground and starts crying. A couple of minutes later, the bookie comes out of his shop to lock up and notices the guy sitting on the ground crying. He goes over and asks him if he's okay. The guy explains that he's lost all his money on the horses that day, that his wife is going to kill him, that he can't even afford bus fare and that he has to walk home with the sole of his shoe hanging off.

The bookie says "aw you poor chap" and then reaches into his pocket and takes out a gigantic wad of cash. The guy looks up at the bookie with a stunned look of admiration. The bookie takes the elastic band off the big roll of €50s and says "here you go, wrap this around your shoe".
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 23, 2008, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: boojangles on December 22, 2008, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 22, 2008, 04:22:22 PM
After doubling Kauto with Binocular on saturday, the horse is either going to make or break my christmas.
What do u lads think? will he win?
You have Binocular from last Saturday I presume.I think its gonna win.11/8 is just too big.Kauto is a stone better on ratings when running right handed(like Kempton) He is going for 3-in a row and Nicholls will be mad to win this after failing in a lot of the big races so far this season.Ruby is back on top and I have never seen Kauto run 2 bad races in a row.Look at the opposition and I cant see anything that can take it on if Kauto gets in its stride.Im a wee bit worried about ImperiaL Commander,he could improve again and has been supported but this should be a step too far.Poor Exotic Dancer altho I would love to see him do it,seems to be gettin further away.Voy Por Ustedes is hit and miss(has it run since beating Master Minded at Aintree?) but you couldnt be confident on it.Air Force One is a good horse but still has a bit to find.
I suppose if only it was that simple we'd all be at it.I doubled Kauto last Stephens Day with Harchibald in the Xmas Hurdle but that p***k Carberry let me down as usual.Not making the same mistake this year.A big Singles bet on Kauto Star at 11/8.HAPPY xMAS.

Gold Cup and Aintree at the tail end of last season? First two times I'd backed him as well!

He rattle fences we know that and its the risk you take when backing him. When he's gotten round he's only been beaten twice in 2 and a half seasons (I think) - once by Denman who isn't there and by a short neck at Aintree (when I think the trainer later admitted the tactics had been wrong.

Given the fact that Denman isn't there and, the record at kempton which OurNail has pointed, you're basically backing him to get round. I think it might be worth a punt at any odds against.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the milkman on December 23, 2008, 10:46:29 PM
Got word through on an absolute cert at the 12.20 at Huntingdon on friday, Stran Millis.

Should be able to pick him at 11/10 or so, pure brick!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DoYerJob Linesman on December 23, 2008, 11:28:07 PM
Quote from: the milkman on December 23, 2008, 10:46:29 PM
Got word through on an absolute cert tomorrw at the 12.20 at Huntingdon, Stran Millis.

Should be able to pick him at 11/10 or so, pure brick!!!

26th surely?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the milkman on December 23, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on December 23, 2008, 11:28:07 PM
Quote from: the milkman on December 23, 2008, 10:46:29 PM
Got word through on an absolute cert tomorrw at the 12.20 at Huntingdon, Stran Millis.

Should be able to pick him at 11/10 or so, pure brick!!!

26th surely?

yea 26th i meant!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Owenmoresider on December 23, 2008, 11:39:21 PM
Will be backing Operation Houdini in the Paddy Power chase on Saturday, he's the favourite in the betting at present (10/1). Worth an each-way if nothing else.

Kauto aside, will decide any other bets on the day. Funds are tight, so will proceed with caution.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 24, 2008, 12:17:14 PM
Quote from: the milkman on December 23, 2008, 10:46:29 PM
Got word through on an absolute cert at the 12.20 at Huntingdon on friday, Stran Millis.

Should be able to pick him at 11/10 or so, pure brick!!!

Accordin to the paper this horse is not even in the betting and its form reads 0PP in its last three races?????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on December 24, 2008, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 24, 2008, 12:17:14 PM
Quote from: the milkman on December 23, 2008, 10:46:29 PM
Got word through on an absolute cert at the 12.20 at Huntingdon on friday, Stran Millis.

Should be able to pick him at 11/10 or so, pure brick!!!

Accordin to the paper this horse is not even in the betting and its form reads 0PP in its last three races?????

About 100/1 according to http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card044200812261220.htm (http://www.irish-racing.com/v4card044200812261220.htm)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 24, 2008, 12:33:06 PM
Surely Kauto Star at 11/8 is a good thing ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the milkman on December 24, 2008, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 24, 2008, 12:17:14 PM
Quote from: the milkman on December 23, 2008, 10:46:29 PM
Got word through on an absolute cert at the 12.20 at Huntingdon on friday, Stran Millis.

Should be able to pick him at 11/10 or so, pure brick!!!

Accordin to the paper this horse is not even in the betting and its form reads 0PP in its last three races?????

Iv been told if it runs it will win....just sharing the word.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 24, 2008, 01:13:48 PM
Betting Forecast: 11/10 Starburst Diamond (IRE), 7/2 Jaunty Journey, 6/1 Hello Moscow (IRE), 13/2 Star Lord (IRE), 12/1 Low Delta (IRE), 14/1 Double Obsession, 16/1 Going Wrong, 25/1 Dunkelly Castle (IRE), 100/1 Indian Sage, 100/1 Stran Millis (IRE), 200/1 Bitesize, 200/1 Oyashshecan (IRE)

Form watch from previous race
Stran Millis (IRE) 20-1 (10-12) Held up towards rear, hit 6th, no chance after 8th, tailed off when pulled up 5 out in race won by Gypsy George (10-12) at Uttoxeter 3m nov hdl (4) sft in Nov, 10 ran.

Horse has only ran three times:
Date              Position     Wt          BHB     Course       Dist     Draw     Going             Jockey     Trainer               Winner             Dst. Btn.     Opened     SP     
27 Nov 08    PU        10-12                    Utt           24f           Sft, Hvy pl     G Lee         Ian Williams        Gypsy George                   66/1       20/1    
26 Oct 08    PU        10-12                    Tow          24f          Gd            D R Dennis       Ian Williams       Kilbeggan Blade                  33/1      25/1    
11 Oct 08    10/11      10-12                   Bang         20f         Gd          D R Dennis      Ian Williams              Khachaturian (IRE)    61.25          28/1         25/1

Has been gambled on in all three races accordin to the above post!!!

Would be a nice winner before xmas??are u sure u wont told to lay this horse lol????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the milkman on December 24, 2008, 01:22:27 PM
Maybe go each way then.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 24, 2008, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: the milkman on December 24, 2008, 01:22:27 PM
Maybe go each way then.

Where did you get this word from then milkman???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the milkman on December 24, 2008, 02:00:36 PM
A lad i work with is a relation of the owner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 24, 2008, 02:02:02 PM
Could be worth a few pound maybe for the craic,been worse tips on here lol:):)Small enough field in race so could get placed!!


View link below for the race card:

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Racecards/0,12495,290302,00.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 24, 2008, 02:22:52 PM
You are in for it if this doesnt come in milkman
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the milkman on December 24, 2008, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 24, 2008, 02:22:52 PM
You are in for it if this doesnt come in milkman

Your one to talk about bookie tips!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 24, 2008, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: the milkman on December 24, 2008, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 24, 2008, 02:22:52 PM
You are in for it if this doesnt come in milkman

Your one to talk about bookie tips!!!

Sure I make up tips to get money for the bookies, ask man in black, he knows.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 24, 2008, 03:05:39 PM
Stran Millis 17/1 on betfair, 6/4 to be placed. Our dreams of a 100/1 winner to fund the post-Christmas celebrations are shattered I think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 24, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
Betfair odds changed regularly,horse can be backed at 20/1 now.Favouriet around 13/8

Below is the link to the race on betfair,just select the 12.20 huntington on the page!!

http://horseracing.betfair.com/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onlooker on December 24, 2008, 04:54:07 PM
Stran Millis does have a bit of Point to Point form.  In May, 2007, he won in Necarne and the previous week he was 3rd in Taylorstown.   He did not run again until last October in Bangor.   It is hard to see him paying for the exps. for the New Year!!.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 24, 2008, 08:43:24 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 22, 2008, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: boojangles on December 22, 2008, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 22, 2008, 04:22:22 PM
After doubling Kauto with Binocular on saturday, the horse is either going to make or break my christmas.
What do u lads think? will he win?
You have Binocular from last Saturday I presume.I think its gonna win.11/8 is just too big.Kauto is a stone better on ratings when running right handed(like Kempton) He is going for 3-in a row and Nicholls will be mad to win this after failing in a lot of the big races so far this season.Ruby is back on top and I have never seen Kauto run 2 bad races in a row.
Look at the opposition and I cant see anything that can take it on if Kauto gets in its stride.Im a wee bit worried about ImperiaL Commander,he could improve again and has been supported but this should be a step too far.Poor Exotic Dancer altho I would love to see him do it,seems to be gettin further away.Voy Por Ustedes is hit and miss(has it run since beating Master Minded at Aintree?) but you couldnt be confident on it.Air Force One is a good horse but still has a bit to find.
I suppose if only it was that simple we'd all be at it.I doubled Kauto last Stephens Day with Harchibald in the Xmas Hurdle but that p***k Carberry let me down as usual.Not making the same mistake this year.A big Singles bet on Kauto Star at 11/8.HAPPY xMAS.

I think Exotic Dancer is swerving the King George in favour of the Lexus at leopardstown a few days later
Quote
Barry Simpson, racing manager to owner Sir Robert Ogden, said: "Voy Por Ustedes is a definite runner but at this stage I'm favouring the Lexus Chase for Exotic Dancer, but we will probably keep him in at the 48-hour declaration stage because you never know what can happen with the weather, and we still have to make travel arrangements, the only day he can travel apparently is Tuesday, so we need to get things moving.

"I'm convinced Exotic Dancer is better going left handed, he's not won at Kempton before and I think the Lexus would be a better race for him."

As fir Voy Por, it has had one run back in October, the Old Roan at Aintree, where it was beat by Knowhere, came fourth in the race behind Exotic Dancer and Snoopy Loopy also... Was top weight in this race though and but for a bad mistake two out could have won the race. Though I think the horse is more suited by two and a half (beat Master Minded at Aintree over this distance) rather than the three miles at Kempton.

I think Kauto will take all the beating, as long as the tough Kempton fences don't get him... I will be investing my money on him completing the hat trick this year, think Tidal Bay, last years Arkle winner, will chase him home...

Tidal Bay now runing at Wetherby instead of the King George...

Denman had an entry over hurdles over christmas, but Nicholls isn't running him. Don't be surprised to see him shortly though.

Horse I have backed a few times running at the Maze St Stephens Day, Agus A Vic it is called, fella from Camlough or Bessbrook McKeown riding it, won me a couple times so owes me nothing will probably back it again.

Punjabi looks good for the hurdle race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 24, 2008, 08:51:05 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 24, 2008, 08:48:12 PM
Our Nail, why do I get the feeling that St. Stephen's day is your Christmas day? I bet you get up at about half 4 on the 26th 'cos you're dead excited. :D

I have been sitting with the Irisih News from about five o clock and still only about half way through the racing!! Then I will have to get on the computer tomorrow after dinner to check out the proper race cards, form an all!!

Eleven meetings, ya cant beat that with a big stick.

Saying that it is a f**king disaster trying to get eleven cards, with form, up on the walls of the bookies on St Stephens morning!!

Though the immense satisfaction when you fit them all in (Inc some hanging from the doors, roof etc) is great!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on December 24, 2008, 09:36:10 PM
I'll be doing Dunkelly Castle EW in that 12.20  Agus a vic on the shortlist too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 26, 2008, 11:06:13 AM
Stran Mills 66/1,has all our xmas's come at once lol:):)Anyone other than me goin to back it??Thinkin bout tellin a few of my friends in the attempt to go down to folklore for saving xmas for all man kind!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 11:41:33 AM
Just backed at 50s with some of my free bets for joining Boylesports.

Here's hoping!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2008, 11:43:44 AM
£1 EW bigfrank at 66. If this doesn't come up, I'm depending on Utd beating Stoke 4-3. Milling Day usually has some big scores.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 12:10:58 PM
12 20 huntingdon. I don;t think he's running ya know. Just since it at 270/1 on betfair and stuck a couple of quid on. But as I was placing the bet I realised he's probably at that price because he's been withdrawn.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone86 on December 26, 2008, 12:17:15 PM
Out to 100/1 on ladbrokes. It's still running Tac
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on December 26, 2008, 12:17:15 PM
Out to 100/1 on ladbrokes. It's still running Tac

100/1 - it must have the appearance of Eeyore being saddled by Rick Weller.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2008, 12:23:46 PM
Stran in bottom 3 at min
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 12:24:01 PM
3rd last at the minute. "Losing touch" according to the commentator.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2008, 12:24:45 PM
And another mistake. Have a feeling he'll still be running on New Years Day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 12:26:16 PM
There's the Boxing night drinking fund gone.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 26, 2008, 12:28:36 PM
I not be able to show my face around my local 2nite lol:)My fone goin flat out here with text messages!! Good shout Milkman :P :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 26, 2008, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Mac hinery on December 24, 2008, 09:36:10 PM
I'll be doing Dunkelly Castle EW in that 12.20  Agus a vic on the shortlist too

Great call MacHinery. 2nd @ 33/1. Glad I took your advice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 12:32:44 PM
The Milkman has just been added to my list of enemies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on December 26, 2008, 12:37:13 PM
Anyone else fancy a horse or two 2day???Or maybe got word for one ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 26, 2008, 01:02:27 PM
Lucky 15 (or unlucky as it will probably turn out to be)

Kempton

12.55 - Star of Angels
1.30 - Market Man
2.05 - Punjabi
2.40 - Voy Por Ustedes

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onlooker on December 26, 2008, 01:10:08 PM
Agus A Vic in the Hunters' Chase iat Down Royal and Punjabi at Kempton for a double.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 26, 2008, 01:18:42 PM
Have a couple of quid on Shining Gale in the next at Kempton.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 01:37:12 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 26, 2008, 01:18:42 PM
Have a couple of quid on Shining Gale in the next at Kempton.

Fell 6 or 7 out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on December 26, 2008, 01:50:21 PM
Any tips for Limerick or Leopardstown boys??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 02:19:58 PM
Punjabi a faller in the Christmas Hurdle when looking well placed. Have to hand it to Harchibald though - back in the big time now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 02:54:16 PM
Kauto saves the day - looked superb. Always in control of proceedings. Still had the heart in mouth coming towards the last. Might be fit to scrape together enough shillings for a night out after all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 26, 2008, 05:53:48 PM
Kauto with c**k out i can't belive some of you doubted the master. With walsh on him it was just a question of by how far.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 26, 2008, 06:02:34 PM
What was the starting price on Kauto? I assume the bookies got tanked off the back of his race!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 26, 2008, 06:02:34 PM
What was the starting price on Kauto? I assume the bookies got tanked off the back of his race!

Started at 10/11. Ladbrokes were offering 6/4 this morning. McCririck on channel 4 was going on about the trouble they must be in now. I'm sure they'll survive though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 26, 2008, 07:27:41 PM
Fair play to Harchibald - made a good day of it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the milkman on December 27, 2008, 01:09:20 PM
To make amends for my previous tip.....

Drumalee lass in the 3.30 at southwell

do him e/w



thank me later
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 27, 2008, 01:26:55 PM
Wee bit of money for it. Backed in from 25/1 to 14s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 27, 2008, 05:48:12 PM
Bad day. Only Realt Dubh saved it from being a REALLY bad day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 28, 2008, 01:06:59 PM
Ruby with the first two faves at Leopardstown today

Kempes 6/4
Ross Accord 11/2

That Ross Accord was a gamble in November at Down Royal the day I was there I think...

Ruby followers, hes on Drumconvis 6/1, Beau Michel 9/1, Neptune Collonges 11/10, Mulach Na Si 10/1

Following on about last time I was at the Maze, Nina was unlucky that day in the bumper on Roches Point, its out in the bumper today and I think will go very well...

Might do Neptune and Roches Point double...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 28, 2008, 01:10:03 PM
Another of my favourite horses, Catch Me, out today, pity there isn't a championship 2 and a half mile race at Cheltenham as it would be his for the taking. Steps up to 3miles today, interesting to see how it goes with a view to the World Hurdle...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 28, 2008, 04:27:49 PM
Neptune fell when well placed in the Lexus. Had led the whole way. Snookered my only bet of the day. Exotic dancer went on to win fairly handily.

Catch me won for ONL by a head and after a steward's inquiry. Trainer wasn't overly impressed though and even suggested he mightn't go to Cheltenham. Definetely not as impressive as Punchestowns last week looking towards the World Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 29, 2008, 02:11:52 PM
Sublimity won the December hurdle there today,with Sizing Europe well behind in 4th after fading from the second last. Hard to know what impact the injury on Sunday had on Sizing Europe.

They were saying on RTE there that its 10/1 the field for the Champion Hurdle, bar Binocular of course. Punjabi might be the best each way bet - 16s with William Hill.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 29, 2008, 02:24:30 PM
does no one else agree with me that sizing europe is well over rated after one good win in a big hurdle race last january at leopardstown?

cudnt believe it went off favourite for the champion hurdle last year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 29, 2008, 04:29:10 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 29, 2008, 02:11:52 PM
Sublimity won the December hurdle there today,with Sizing Europe well behind in 4th after fading from the second last. Hard to know what impact the injury on Sunday had on Sizing Europe.

They were saying on RTE there that its 10/1 the field for the Champion Hurdle, bar Binocular of course. Punjabi might be the best each way bet - 16s with William Hill.

Backed Sublimity last year, might do so again.

I will be laying Binocular I think. All Binoculars wins have came on flat speed tracks, Cheltenham is just hill after hill after hill!! And Binocular was beaten last year by Capt Cee Bee in the Supreme Novices there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: longball on December 30, 2008, 11:18:23 AM
any tips for 2day papa needs a new pair of shoes
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 31, 2008, 02:57:41 AM
6
(11)    River Kirov

S Drowne
M Wigham
121324  5
9-1    SP


Not sure of the price lads but he won't be the fav . Last day he was unlucky in running and he is running decent enough. Have a small wager on it @ 2pm  in Lingfield.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 31, 2008, 09:19:57 AM
Is there any good racing on tomorrow lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 31, 2008, 09:24:01 AM
cheltenham has a good meeting on tomorrow but it is in doubt cos of frost
2 meetings of in the UK today, was looking forward to a few bets to get some beer money for tonite
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 10:30:17 AM
Cheltenham are confident of racing tomorrow, there isn't even an inspection needed now...

Good novice chase with the likes of Breedsbreeze, Kicks For Free, Calgary Bay, Massinis Maguire...

Excellent hurdle race as well with Aigle d'or, Franchoek, Snap Tie, Tazbar...

Plenty for you to lose your money on Mickey...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 31, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
I'll be following Walsh/Mullins closely this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 11:43:34 AM
Yeah looks good, favourite in the first three races including former Supreme Novice Hurdle winner at Cheltenham two years back Ebaziyan... Its odds on though, best price 1/2... Plus he has Mourard in the later races...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 31, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
Horse I put in the reminder list a while back - Wheels up, goes today in the 3.15 at Punch, looks like there's been a bit of money for him too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 12:52:22 PM
Think Ruby just about got up on Equus there great finish

edit: yeah photo result in, ruby got up... 9/4x
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
Just seeing Ebaziyan is running over two and a half here, don't think I would touch him at 4/9...

Gonna lay him on Betfair....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 31, 2008, 01:20:38 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
Just seeing Ebaziyan is running over two and a half here, don't think I would touch him at 4/9...

Gonna lay him on Betfair....

Good call!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 31, 2008, 01:23:18 PM
Good call, 4/9 is stupid odds, though I think he should have won it. I thought it was a poor ride by Ruby - seemed over-confident and gave the winner too much rope.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 31, 2008, 02:04:47 PM
Quote6
(11)    River Kirov

S Drowne
M Wigham
121324  5
9-1    SP


Not sure of the price lads but he won't be the fav . Last day he was unlucky in running and he is running decent enough. Have a small wager on it @ 2pm  in Lingfield.

I hope you guys backed it because it has just won with the tool out @9/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on December 31, 2008, 02:04:47 PM
Quote6
(11)    River Kirov

S Drowne
M Wigham
121324  5
9-1    SP


Not sure of the price lads but he won't be the fav . Last day he was unlucky in running and he is running decent enough. Have a small wager on it @ 2pm  in Lingfield.

I hope you guys backed it because it has just won with the tool out @9/4

Good shout win, well done... Didnt back it though!!  >:(

Good lot of ones coming in here backing Selection Box in the 3.15 I think at Punchestown, at 9/2 I am going to back it each way, if it was any lower I wouldnt touch it, won st stephens day at the maze...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 02:46:07 PM
Putting my money made from laying Ebaziyan on to Mourad here... 5/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 02:50:42 PM
Another great finish... Early mistakes probably cost him the race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 02:53:02 PM
Thought so! Ah well...

Punchestown 2.45    

1st    7 Jumbo Rio (IRE)    
2nd    10 Mourad (IRE)    
3rd    4 Ebadiyan (IRE)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on December 31, 2008, 03:13:04 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 02:50:42 PM
Another great finish... Early mistakes probably cost him the race

Mistake at the last was the difference in the end
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: milltown row on December 31, 2008, 03:15:34 PM
selection box at Punc. is 7/2 but a nice bet of 8/11 to finish in first 3 places looks better
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 03:36:18 PM
Selection Box nowhere
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 03:37:11 PM
Had to do Our Gar here, my namesake

(My real name isn't Nail ya know!)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on December 31, 2008, 03:59:00 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 31, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
Horse I put in the reminder list a while back - Wheels up, goes today in the 3.15 at Punch, looks like there's been a bit of money for him too.
Had it at 7/2, fell at the last when 10L in front.  Sick as a pig, new TV snatched from my grasp.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 31, 2008, 03:59:00 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 31, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
Horse I put in the reminder list a while back - Wheels up, goes today in the 3.15 at Punch, looks like there's been a bit of money for him too.
Had it at 7/2, fell at the last when 10L in front.  Sick as a pig, new TV snatched from my grasp.

Saw that race myself Benny, a couple fellas in here had the horse done, there was no need for the jockey to attack the last with the lengths in hand, coulda just popped her over easy and won handy...

I hate those sort of sickeners...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on December 31, 2008, 06:34:32 PM
Had wheels up done myself 5.3 on Betfair couldn't believe the fall.   God bless Nina though :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 31, 2008, 06:37:12 PM
Here is my atepost bet of the year lads...

Nina to ride a winner at the cheltenham festival 4/1 Bet365

She will go off probably lower than that on Garde Champetre in the Cross Country, will have a good ride surely in the bumper, as well as so many others...

I have put a bit on it and will invest more when my next weeks wages come in.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on December 31, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Great bet there our nail. Who is AJ Martins horses at the meeting? 5/2 bout him having a winner also worth a punt i feel!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 01, 2009, 01:44:26 PM
Leg Spinner could be sent for the World Hurdle? Psycho went close last year... Dun Doire is a former festival winner...

Wrecking my head here I will get a look later...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 01, 2009, 03:36:35 PM
What a run by Lough Derg here. Headed by all three remaining horses having led all the way as usual and he comes back to pass them all and win it. He must think he's Hardy Eustace. Some layer got an awful thumping and some smart punter who knew the horse got a beautiful touch - he was laid at 120 in running.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on January 01, 2009, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 01, 2009, 03:36:35 PM
What a run by Lough Derg here. Headed by all three remaining horses having led all the way as usual and he comes back to pass them all and win it. He must think he's Hardy Eustace. Some layer got an awful thumping and some smart punter who knew the horse got a beautiful touch - he was laid at 120 in running.

What a battler!  Super stuff.  I was on Franchoek though :( 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 02, 2009, 07:36:37 PM
He's out tommorrow again lads if you missed him the other day

6
(5)    River Kirov

S Drowne
M Wigham
213241-  6
8-6    SP

  3:40 Kempton He's up in grade which only makes it better prices wise. Get on him he loves the trip and has a cracking turn of foot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 02, 2009, 07:46:16 PM
Lookin like the favourite,prob around 2/1 accordin to sites and bet fair at the minute!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 03, 2009, 03:45:02 PM
QuoteHe's out tommorrow again lads if you missed him the other day

6
(5)    River Kirov

S Drowne
M Wigham
213241-  6
8-6    SP

  3:40 Kempton He's up in grade which only makes it better prices wise. Get on him he loves the trip and has a cracking turn of foot

If you missed it again lads you need a kick in the henry halls. Twice in a week our fella has took the goolies out and won had em at 2/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on January 03, 2009, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 03, 2009, 03:45:02 PM
QuoteHe's out tommorrow again lads if you missed him the other day

6
(5)    River Kirov

S Drowne
M Wigham
213241-  6
8-6    SP

  3:40 Kempton He's up in grade which only makes it better prices wise. Get on him he loves the trip and has a cracking turn of foot

If you missed it again lads you need a kick in the henry halls. Twice in a week our fella has took the goolies out and won had em at 2/1


Great shout WSS- got him at 7/4 yesterday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 04, 2009, 12:55:08 PM
who said there was nothing good about lurgan  ;)

Just won there at Naas @7/2. A nice wee £20 on him to. ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on January 04, 2009, 01:34:35 PM
Mikael D'Haguenet out today  1/45 Naas
Beat Pandorama last time out.....no price really though....around 1/3
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 05, 2009, 05:33:27 PM
For all you ex College fellas out there, virtual horse won today, 'Violet Hill' at 9/2!! Had £4 on it  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 05:40:39 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 06, 2009, 02:10:49 PM
Folks,

Just a wee shout again, Charles Parnell is running in the 3.40 at Southwell today.  Think he is at 9/2

just giving you notice as he was good for me the last time!

EDIT!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on January 06, 2009, 02:22:33 PM
Cheers Joxer, its 11-4

And 3.40 at Southwell.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 06, 2009, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: Joxer on January 06, 2009, 02:10:49 PM
Folks,

Just a wee shout again, Charles Parnell is running in the 3.40 at Southwell today.  Think he is at 9/2

just giving you notice as he was good for me the last time!

EDIT!

Second @ 7/2  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on January 06, 2009, 03:46:17 PM
Did you do it FB? I was going to then decided not to at the last min!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 06, 2009, 03:48:25 PM
Backed it at 4.1 on Betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 07, 2009, 10:30:38 AM
win's horse out again today, river kirov, 2.50 at wolver, 8/11 best price...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 07, 2009, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 07, 2009, 10:30:38 AM
win's horse out again today, river kirov, 2.50 at wolver, 8/11 best price...
I wouldnt be touching it today.Not at that price.Try maybe Incomparable.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 07, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
River Kirov has won his last two 6f handicaps at Lingfield and Kempton with more than a bit in hand, and if he shows up in the same form today he'll be hard to beat despite a 12lb penalty.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on January 07, 2009, 02:01:07 PM
backed calculating and marmooq in kempton today.also backed figaro flyer and hucking heat in wolves. gramhan gibbons has a few rides in wolves today always trys his best on a horse and nearly always places any long odds he does ride.so keep an eye on him today.
By any chance does anyone know when dundalk is starting up again?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 07, 2009, 02:10:02 PM
27th Feb AFAIK Rossie
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 07, 2009, 02:12:47 PM
This is not a tip...i repeat this is not a tip...

But i fancy "Calculating" @ 5/1 in the 3:25 today H Turner on it and that corn beef horse is down 11 llb from her last race...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on January 07, 2009, 02:13:39 PM
I hope I'll be flying high after the 3.55 in Kempton.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on January 07, 2009, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: rossie mad on January 07, 2009, 02:01:07 PM
backed calculating and marmooq in kempton today.also backed figaro flyer and hucking heat in wolves. gramhan gibbons has a few rides in wolves today always trys his best on a horse and nearly always places any long odds he does ride.so keep an eye on him today.
By any chance does anyone know when dundalk is starting up again?

Good man Rossie, support the local boy ;D
Title: Re: Dún Dealgan
Post by: illdecide on January 07, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: drici on January 07, 2009, 02:15:23 PM
An All Weather track would be handy in Ireland with fixtures at a time(such as around now) when anti racing weather could be expected with the likes of Thurles being called off amarach.

I thought Dundalk's track was all weather...???
Title: Re: Dún Dealgan
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 07, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 07, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: drici on January 07, 2009, 02:15:23 PM
An All Weather track would be handy in Ireland with fixtures at a time(such as around now) when anti racing weather could be expected with the likes of Thurles being called off amarach.

I thought Dundalk's track was all weather...???

It is yeah.

No more all weather tacks please, if I wanted to see cat litter I would go to a pet shop.

River Kirov wins comfortably... 8/13x
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 07, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
bbbbbbbboooooooooommmmmmm fellas - hope you got on at 8/11

1st  2  River Kirov  9 4  S Drowne  8/13 F   

2nd 3/4 length 3  War And Peace  9 2  J F McDonald  8/1   

3rd 1 1/2 length 1  Peter's Storm  9 4  J Quinn  14/1

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 07, 2009, 03:19:45 PM
I saw that it was out last night lads and it was 4/5 i was thinking about backing it but the 12lb penalty was throwing me a bit so i didn't post it up again today. My money was made on it the last two outing when i got it @ 7/4 and 2/1. It will be a while now i would say before it will actually win because the handicapper will now slate the horse. However it was good while it lasted. My advice would be to lay against it the next day it is out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 07, 2009, 04:09:08 PM
That horse i fancied didn't wanna know...bitch
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 07, 2009, 04:28:56 PM
An ol Favourite of the board,  Rmember Ramon is running tonight in Wolverhampton I think at 5.50
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on January 07, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
River Kirov has got me a few pound these past few days ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 07, 2009, 05:24:47 PM
Quote from: Joxer on January 07, 2009, 04:28:56 PM
An ol Favourite of the board,  Rmember Ramon is running tonight in Wolverhampton I think at 5.50

It's a non runner Joxer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 08:23:31 AM
picked out 8 horses yesterday to consider backing! all 8 bloody won.  I ended up picking 5 & done a lucky 31!  When the first horse went in (RIver Kirov) I went and stuck a cheeky 5iver quad on the remaining 4 horses!

£238.80 off the quad & £237.80 (before bonus added) off the lucky 31!

Not bad for being bored in work & just looking something to pass the afternoon!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 08, 2009, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 08:23:31 AM
picked out 8 horses yesterday to consider backing! all 8 bloody won.  I ended up picking 5 & done a lucky 31!  When the first horse went in (RIver Kirov) I went and stuck a cheeky 5iver quad on the remaining 4 horses!

£238.80 off the quad & £237.80 (before bonus added) off the lucky 31!

Not bad for being bored in work & just looking something to pass the afternoon!

Good man Girt, well done...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on January 08, 2009, 09:30:29 AM
Well done.  How much would an accumulator have paid out?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 10:04:34 AM
on the 8 horses or on the 5?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on January 08, 2009, 10:05:35 AM
on the 8
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 10:43:05 AM
would never have done the 8 in an accum but if had of it would have paid £6144 for the £5 stake.

More than happy with what I will go to pick up at lunch time off the hot girl cashier who took the bet yesterday who will land herself a £10 thank you!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 08, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
That's not all she would land girt if you had you way saan ;). That is good picking but. well done saan.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 11:12:05 AM
CAPRIO in the 3.20 Southwell.  Long trek for these boys to get to SOuthwell so I doubt they are there just to make up the numbers.... ;)

Horse I always back & owes me nothing also out @ Great Leighs today.....Bridgewater Boys
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 08, 2009, 11:15:29 AM
try and get a touch of your luck girt

todays lucky
Don Pele 12.50 southwell
Halaak 13/50 southwell
Jacks house 14.20 southwell
united nations14.50 southwell

2pts e/w auction belle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 08, 2009, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 11:12:05 AM
CAPRIO in the 3.20 Southwell.  Long trek for these boys to get to SOuthwell so I doubt they are there just to make up the numbers.... ;)

The have the 2nd Fav in the12:50 as well, though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 08, 2009, 01:28:32 PM
 i noticed this morning that Kings Head is a non runner in Great Leighs' 2.25 - La Estrella is now the 1/3 favourite, i went into the bookies at lunch time there and they hav La Estrella at 11/8, and Kings Head at 6/5.

McLeans in Belfast was the bookies, bout 15 mins ago.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 01:29:44 PM
ive got bridgewater boys @ 8/1 before non runner, was 7/2 a wee while ago
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 08, 2009, 01:36:55 PM
MCleaners(Mc Cleans) in Belfast,how much of my student loan did i give to you lol:)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 08, 2009, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 08, 2009, 01:36:55 PM
MCleaners(Mc Cleans) in Belfast,how much of my student loan did i give to you lol:)

The one on Botanic? Never realy liked that bookies... Always full of hinese ones yapping away, the staff weren't very user friendly either, it doesn't hurt to smile ya know!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 08, 2009, 01:57:12 PM
i dont like it at all, but its the only one near my work
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 08, 2009, 01:58:16 PM
Yes the one on botanic niall,lived near by so was the only reason i went to it,didnt like it either cause was always full of smokers and kinda small!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 02:02:12 PM
think ive been in pretty much majority of bookies in & around belfast city centre & only ones I've found to have friendly staff is the Ladbrokes on Castle St.

1 out 2  so far in your lucky 15 RealSpirit
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 08, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
bookmakers in general seem to employ the most ignorant staff.
constantly complaining, rolling their eyes and sighing if u make a mistake on your docket or make them go out of their way and look up a price for you

it makes it even better taking money of the cnuts!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 08, 2009, 02:04:59 PM
spent alot of time in Sean Grahams on the ormeau road too,always full of old men and there dogs!!!It was big at least,didnt have people breathing over ya when ur picking ur winners lol :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 08, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: Clown on January 08, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
bookmakers in general seem to employ the most ignorant staff.
constantly complaining, rolling their eyes and sighing if u make a mistake on your docket or make them go out of their way and look up a price for you

it makes it even better taking money of the cnuts!

Not in my bookies!! Though the punters do annoy the f**k out of me sometimes!

Quote from: bigfrank on January 08, 2009, 02:04:59 PM
spent alot of time in Sean Grahams on the ormeau road too,always full of old men and there dogs!!!It was big at least,didnt have people breathing over ya when ur picking ur winners lol :P :P

Aye that would have been the bookies I would use mostly when I was down in Belfast, close to the Holylands and the Hatfield... Liked that bookies, always a lot of pens an all ready for ya, pisses me off when you can't get one. You look like a dick though sitting on the wee stool checking out the wee papers and the early prices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 08, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
were is your bookies Nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 08, 2009, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: Clown on January 08, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
were is your bookies Nail?

Lurgan...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 08, 2009, 02:27:01 PM
Hatfield and Sean Grahams took up alot of my time alright,could turn into quite and expensive day:)Would go back to it in the morning tho:DPicking horses in pub and then take turns runnin over to put on bets,great craic!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 08, 2009, 02:44:28 PM
1st La Estrella 2/7

If McLeans are gonna offer 11/8 for a 1/3 shot im gona be all over that!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 08, 2009, 02:45:52 PM
It may be a 1/3 pay out when ya go to collect though....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 08, 2009, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: Clown on January 08, 2009, 02:44:28 PM
1st La Estrella 2/7

If McLeans are gonna offer 11/8 for a 1/3 shot im gona be all over that!!

It wont be 11/8
There will be a rule 4 on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on January 08, 2009, 02:49:31 PM
Nail this happened over the christmas in a bookies in town.  

A man backed a horse and wrote down the Number of the horse on the docket.  The horse won and he went up to collect.  It was number two but the women behind the desk said that it was number 21 on the docket as there was small mark beside the 2 which im told looked nothing like a one.  There were only 10 horses in the race.  Would you pay out?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagh leg-end on January 08, 2009, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 08, 2009, 02:27:01 PM
Hatfield and Sean Grahams took up alot of my time alright,could turn into quite and expensive day:)Would go back to it in the morning tho:DPicking horses in pub and then take turns runnin over to put on bets,great craic!

ahh great times!!

cant wait to get back down there now!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 08, 2009, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 08, 2009, 02:49:31 PM
Nail this happened over the christmas in a bookies in town.  

A man backed a horse and wrote down the Number of the horse on the docket.  The horse won and he went up to collect.  It was number two but the women behind the desk said that it was number 21 on the docket as there was small mark beside the 2 which im told looked nothing like a one.  There were only 10 horses in the race.  Would you pay out?

There seems to be a lack of common sense with a lot of stories I hear about other bookies, there is a bookies beside mine as well that is a real stickler for correct speling etc... With me in this situation, common sense would prevail and I would have paid him out given the amount of runners in it... Though you would not believe the amount of people trying to get 'one over' by writing down ambiguous things etc...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on January 08, 2009, 02:58:44 PM
I was in boylesports over xmas and went to back the Fav at Soutwell but wrote down the price and number of the fav at a race in Limerick that was going at the same time. Jus coped it about 10 seconds before the race started and went up to the counter.  The girl didn't want to change it because i had the number on it but i told her that the number of the horse that i had on the docket was 20/1 and fair play to her she changed it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 08, 2009, 03:01:30 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 08, 2009, 02:58:44 PM
I was in boylesports over xmas and went to back the Fav at Soutwell but wrote down the price and number of the fav at a race in Limerick that was going at the same time. Jus coped it about 10 seconds before the race started and went up to the counter.  The girl didn't want to change it because i had the number on it but i told her that the number of the horse that i had on the docket was 20/1 and fair play to her she changed it.

As long as you are up before the off times of ither race then this should not have even been a problem for her... Dunno why she even hesitated... Some of them are real jobsworths, I have even had people working with me getting on like that and I have to put them in line...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 08, 2009, 03:15:38 PM
A fella I know went into the bookies a few years ago and noticed that they had a poster up for Big Brother advertising odds for 'Last Man Remaining in the House' it had a couple of contestants names on it along with their odds and 16/1 bar.

The favourite that year was a transvestite so yer man stuck 'her' name and 16/1 down on the docket and up to the cashier who accepted the bet. Sure enough the transvestite went on to win it out but the bookies refused to pay up and would only refund the bet. A nice try though.   ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on January 12, 2009, 10:03:59 AM
Picked the wrong day to NOT back Schindler's Hunt!!!    :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 12, 2009, 10:57:57 AM
I lumped on Merchant Paddy yesterday, won easy & got 5/2! Had £5e/w on Schindler's Hunt also @ 16/1.

It cured my hangover I tell ye!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 12, 2009, 05:28:04 PM
Good article in the Sindo about the bould Oliver Brady at the weekend.

Had a nice winner there today with Ebadiyan who will now certainly head to Chelt. If he reacts like he did for a 3rd place Baron de Feypo, imagine what he will do if Ebadiyan can pull one off.

A top fella and hopefully he will be with us for a while yet.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing/the-miracle-of-oliver-brady-1598315.html

The miracle of Oliver Brady

T HE doctor from Blackrock Clinic had phoned on Wednesday morning. The commotion he heard when Oliver Brady answered told him, as he feared, that the trainer was out and about. The temperature gauge in Monaghan had plunged to minus 10 and outdoors in such Arctic conditions was nowhere for a man in Brady's condition to be. Shock tactics were the order of the day. "You know if you catch a cold and get pneumonia," the doctor said sombrely, "you'll not come out of it."

But on a morning like this where else could Brady be? Never before had the winter chill brought his home and yard to a virtual standstill. The pipes in the house were frozen, a coat of thick ice covered the swimming pool inside the barn and, for the first time since its installation, the all-weather gallop on the hill behind his house was out of commission.

So this is how you find him: ferrying buckets of water to thirsty horses, fixing the heat in the barn to melt the ice, arranging for horses to travel to Dundalk for their daily work-out. In the afternoon there will be meetings at the recycling plant he co-owns 10 miles down the road in Castleblayney. Mustn't forget, either, to leave money out for the woman coming to do the horses' backs in the afternoon. Every day a thousand different things to do.

The manic pace of his life is easy to explain. Six years ago Brady sat in the Mater Hospital, a cyst the size of a golf ball in his stomach, and heard the grim prognosis that he had six months to live. Just over a year ago he had a quadruple bypass operation to unclog arteries that were up to 97 per cent blocked. He is diabetic and has problems with his lungs. In short, he is a walking and breathing miracle.

He wears his illness, like all his affairs, lightly. He tells of the day last month when they strapped a machine to his chest and monitored his heart-rate for four days. When they checked the results, the graph was pleasingly stable until, for a short period, the reading almost went off the page. The doctors were stumped until Brady cleared up the mystery. "I'd just had a winner [Saddler's Native] at Clonmel. It was my first for a while and I was a bit excited. So I said, 'doctor, that's not hard to explain. I was after having a winner during that time'."

It's just as well, he thinks, he wasn't wearing the monitor when Ebadiyan -- the four-year-old he bought "for a song" last October -- sauntered home by 22 lengths in a maiden hurdle at Naas last Sunday. He knows what would have happened. They would have prescribed him another pill to add to the 17 he already has to take daily to keep his various ailments in check.

They try to kid him along now, like a stubborn old colt, issuing constant warnings to mind himself, hoping that enough of them stick. They tell him to rein in his wilder side, but not too much. Because if there's a fair chance the horses end up killing Brady, they know it's not much of an exaggeration to say that it is the same horses who have been keeping him alive.

"The doctors keep telling me when you get those winners don't be getting too excited. Be relaxed, stay cool. And I do tell them 'Jaysus doc, I only get a few in the year. It's not as if we're doing this every day of the week'. All things considered I'm flying. The horses keep me going. They help me get over the illness."

* * * * *

To understand where Brady comes from, though, you must leave the horses behind for a minute and head for the smart reception room of Shabra Plastics Limited on the fringes of Castleblayney. Brady established the firm in 1986 with his business partner and owner Rita Shah. At the start they had two workers. Now Shabra employs 76 people and has an annual turnover in the region of €10m. It is the pride of Brady's life.

At first they manufactured bags from imported raw plastic until Shah wondered why they couldn't recycle the waste themselves instead of importing it. Year by year the business grew. The beauty of it is that nothing that enters the factory premises goes to waste. The water they use comes from the rain and the dirt they filter away from it is sold as compost. Everything has its use. Everything is renewable.

The same philosophy underscores Brady's other life as a trainer. He never dreamed of taking on the bigger stables like Meade or Mullins. You would be broke in a year. Instead, he developed an eye for a horse that others had given up on. He saw promise where others saw only deadwood. He noticed potential in others' cast-offs. There were bargains to be had if you looked hard enough.

His first winner, Barr's Hill at Navan in 1985, set the template. He found the horse when he was in Newry one day, just as he was being prepared to be sent to Scotland where a bitter end awaited. The asking price was £135 and Brady had to act quickly. "You'd better buy it today," the seller told him, "because it won't be here tomorrow."

Few would have considered it a worthwhile investment. In 11 runs Barr's Hill had finished last 10 times and managed to beat one rival in the other. But Brady took her home, gave her time to settle and then sent her to win at Navan. A few days later she won a valuable handicap on 2,000 Guineas day at The Curragh. In all, Barr's Hill would win six races and amass the equivalent of over €60,000 in prize money.

A few years earlier, Brady had walked away with over £100,000 in winnings from the 1981 Cheltenham Festival and, with it, he bought the land where he built his house and stables. When he could, he added to the mix. When Gazalani won the Jameson Gold Cup at Fairyhouse in 1997, carrying a wedge of Brady's cash at 33/1, he started building an all-weather gallop. When the same horse won at Punchestown a year later at 16/1, he finished it.

As a trainer he has been guided by no philosophy other than a disdain for having to pay a king's ransom for a horse. As well as Ebadiyan he bought another colt from the Flat last year, a three-year-old called Icy Cool for the grand price of €50,000. He thinks Icy Cool will be a nice horse but in all his years Brady had never paid so much for a horse and, even now, he bristles at the pressure such a splurge brings.

He is happiest at the other end of the scale. In 2003, he paid €9,000 for Baron De Feypo. The five-year-old hadn't won in 22 outings but, in Brady's hands, won five of his next 15, earning in the region of €400,000. In his yard he has a colt formerly trained by Michael Stoute that fetched €500,000 as a yearling. Brady bought him last year for the knock-down price of €12,000.

As part of his arrangement with Shah, everything they win is ploughed back into the horses. Brady had worked for Shah's father in Kenya and in the Middle East in the 1970s and when Rita was sent to run the factory with Brady, the only condition imposed upon her was that she support the social side of the business as well. The social side meant only one thing: horses.

The closeness between them is striking: the ebullient, larger-than-life figure from Monaghan and the steely, determined woman from Kenya. In the darkest days, when the cancer was eating away inside him, Shah was a constant presence, accompanying Brady on the long round-trips to Dublin and she is there still, nursing him along as best she can, gently cajoling and reassuring.

"Sometimes I think it's worse he gets," she says smiling. "He doesn't know really. Oliver just wants to enjoy life. Tomorrow we have to go down to Dublin for his check-up. I know he's forgotten about it. I'll have to remind him in the morning. 'I'll be down to collect you at two o'clock. Be ready.' I have to keep his diary for him."

It was at Shah's insistence that Brady had his heart checked before he left on a business trip to Kenya last year. Although the doctor had cleared him to go, Brady thought to mention the difficulty he was experiencing while walking to the top of his gallops in the morning. If he was rushing to meet the horses, he would be out of breath before he had reached half-way.

"The doctor said 'oh, we'd better check you in to have a look'. In I go and I get an angiogram. Told I needed things called stints. They're wee things they put in your heart but they couldn't get them in. The arteries were too blocked. Before I knew it I was been wheeled in for surgery. It took from 7.15 in the morning till 3.30 in the afternoon. My heart was stopped. I was on a machine. But I didn't feel a thing."

It seems typical of Brady's character, though, that as he talks about the operation he drifts off on a tangent about how he'd tucked into a box of chocolate biscuits the night before, a shocking indulgence, and, from there, to the irritation of having no water to shave that morning, as if the threat of cancer and heart problems were little more than everyday nuisances to be casually brushed aside.

Because his health problems are widely known, the overstated joy with which he greets his horses in the winners' enclosure is well-received and increasingly cherished. It is assumed that the vigour of Brady's celebrations is a consequence of his illness and the joy he must feel at the continuing gift of life but that isn't entirely true. Exuberance has always been his way.

When he lived in England in the early 1980s, he knew a man who had owned a Royal Ascot winner. One day Brady asked him to recount his greatest day in racing, certain the man would regale him with the story of that great day at Ascot. But he didn't. "'No, no, no,' he said. It had passed him by. He was afraid to let himself go. He forgot to savour it."

Every morning Brady stands at the top of his gallops, watches the sparkling grey coat of Ebadiyan sweep by and knows these are days to savour. On the day of the sales at Goff's, Ebadiyan was the first John Oxx-trained horse to enter the ring and, at €18,000, the cheapest sold that day. Brady had heard the warnings floating around beforehand but, true to his nature, paid no heed.

"Word was that he had a wind problem. But I had my vet check him out before the sales and he said there was nothing wrong. John Oxx told me he was a nice horse and he thought he'd go for more. He felt he'd run him in two races he shouldn't, when the ground wasn't suitable. This fella needs good ground. I wasn't planning to run him until February but then the frost came and the ground dried up."

Brady had €5,000 each-way at 12/1 when he made his hurdling debut at Leopardstown last month but he was carried out at the second flight and backed him again at 10/1 when he was third at Punchestown four days later when he knew they'd got the tactics wrong. Over two miles Ebadiyan needed to be forcing the pace rather than waiting behind horses with superior speed.

At Naas last week, they got it right. Ebadiyan blasted off from the front and never saw another rival, giving Brady his easiest winner in 24 years of racing. He'll run him again at Punchestown's rearranged fixture tomorrow and then, he hopes, all roads lead to the Triumph Hurdle in March. He is sure the horse is the best he's ever trained but he just has to prove it now.

His stable teems with talent. He has space for 24 boxes, many of them filled with young, recently purchased horses, a sign that Brady has no intentions of slowing up anytime soon. They were stricken nine days ago when Maralan -- dearly, beloved Maralan -- capsized on the gallops and died in front of them as they stared helplessly on.

"Poor old Maralan," Brady says. "We were hoping to run him on Sunday in the Pierse Hurdle. He ran a brilliant race in it two years ago. He just had a massive heart attack. He was dead within five minutes from the moment he went down. It's never easy when you lose one like that, especially a great old servant like him."

He's seen so many go before him, both equine and human. Cancer has claimed six of his nearest family. Two years ago it took two of his brothers, Benny and Johnny, within the space of a week. Why he himself has been spared he doesn't know. He jokes sometimes that he's holding out for the big one, the Cheltenham winner. Two years ago Baron De Feypo finished a gallant third in the Coral Cup and, to general approval, Brady took over the winners' enclosure. In Brady's case, the old racing cliché rings true: have a Cheltenham winner and die happy.

There is more to do as well. On Friday, he is off to Kenya where he is involved in a project to build a school for orphans. Last year he raised €77,000 for the African missions and this year he is aiming higher again. Through Shabra Charity Foundation he is hoping to raise in excess of €600,000 for causes dear to his heart. Shah and a Roscommon man, Frank Campbell, have each donated a horse he will offer for syndication and, in April or May, there will be a major golf classic at the Slieve Russell in Cavan.

"It's a lot of work but we're nearly there. I'd like to raise between €600,000 and €1m if I can. We've registered the charity because money donated can be claimed back in tax. The plan is to sponsor a machine in St Luke's Hospital in Dublin for the not so well-off and to help for heart research as well. The balance of the money will go to Kenya for the school for orphans. I'm keen to get it done. In case I drop off at least I'll have something done."

As he speaks, he's back in the yard now, showing off the swimming pool, explaining how it fills itself from two pipes turned upwards to collect rainwater that then slope down to fill the pool with 64,000 gallons of water, saving him a fortune and sparing the environment in the process. And the thought strikes that the pool is a fitting metaphor for how he has lived his life: self-sufficient, miraculous, renewable.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on January 13, 2009, 01:55:31 PM
open sesame, 4 10 at great le, odds not great but meant to be a good thing
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: gunnar mrydal on January 13, 2009, 01:55:31 PM
open sesame, 4 10 at great le, odds not great but meant to be a good thing

Winner.

Tip in here for Baron Breeze in the 1.00 at newcastle, 40/1

I will be going for Planet of Sound in the same race though doubling it up with the absolute machine that is Mad Max... Mad Max is my tip for Cheltenham at the minute, whatever race he goes for, you should see the aize of the horse, it just tip toes over the hurdles, hopefully will go for the Ballymore at Cheltenham...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 14, 2009, 10:43:29 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: gunnar mrydal on January 13, 2009, 01:55:31 PM
open sesame, 4 10 at great le, odds not great but meant to be a good thing

Winner.

Tip in here for Baron Breeze in the 1.00 at newcastle, 40/1

I will be going for Planet of Sound in the same race though doubling it up with the absolute machine that is Mad Max... Mad Max is my tip for Cheltenham at the minute, whatever race he goes for, you should see the aize of the horse, it just tip toes over the hurdles, hopefully will go for the Ballymore at Cheltenham...

Are Planet oF Sound & Baron Breeze in same race??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 10:50:11 AM
No not the same race my mistake sorry... Dunno how solid the tip would be, might do it each way, at 40/1 I suppose it could be worth it, get 10/1 for the place... Few people been in here backing it, and another few in our other office...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 14, 2009, 10:52:15 AM
Planet of Sound is not in the 1.00 Our Nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 10:54:07 AM
Aye sorry, the 1.20, my mistake...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 14, 2009, 10:54:36 AM
Planet of sound is running 1:20 newbury and Baron Breeze 1:00 at newcastle. But i agree with your double nail.
I shall also have a wager on Mad Max and Planet of sound.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 14, 2009, 11:06:26 AM
I have heard Newcastle is suspended?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 11:14:01 AM
Was an inspection at 9.00, and another at 11.00, havent heard anything yet called out though...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 14, 2009, 11:19:50 AM
I'm having a stats based bet on Crow Spinney in the 12:30 at Newcastle (if it takes place). Easterby has won this race four of the last 8 times. Each time, the winner was coming from a big defeat in her last race, as is Crow spinney today. 11 on Betfair, about 3 for the place.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 11:22:50 AM
Another inspection at Newcastle at 12.15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
We have a special up for Mad Max and Planet Of Sound, 4/1 the double... Normal prices pay 4.10 for a pound so getting a wee bit extra...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
Those special doubles etc are a jinx!!Both horses never win now :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
Those special doubles etc are a jinx!!Both horses never win now :-[ :-[

You would be surprised, we do these doubles every day and they come up a lot of the time... Sure I had the two horses picked before they were put up, it would be stupid of me to change now when I am getting extra value!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 12:30:46 PM
NEWCASTLE ABANDONED

Lump on Planet of Sound and Mad Max!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
Those special doubles etc are a jinx!!Both horses never win now :-[ :-[

You would be surprised, we do these doubles every day and they come up a lot of the time... Sure I had the two horses picked before they were put up, it would be stupid of me to change now when I am getting extra value!

Was messing with ya Niall,horses dont know they are put in a special double lol:)They run the same either way :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 12:51:27 PM
The horses have been called in from the track at Lingfield on veterinary advice, they are looking over the track now, not looking too good.

Off at Newbury though, looks peachy there

Mount Helicon if anyone is interested in the first!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 12:55:55 PM
McCoy wins the first for Henderson, Optimus Maximus, whilst Jonjo had another in the race...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: C_Berg_316 on January 14, 2009, 01:08:45 PM
lads - heres a site worth checking out for the owl horses:


http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?Pageid=65465

Not sure who the guy that puts the tips up is but he puts one up every day and Ive been monitoring it these last few weeks - very seldom the horse he picks isn't placed at least and one particular week Mon through to Fri he had 5 Winners in a row.  Obviously I'm not Guaranteeing he'll pick winners/placed horses every day or anything but worth a wee look if you fancy having a punt on the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 01:17:11 PM
TUESDAY: PSI UNPLACED
MONDAY: THARAWAAT 2ND
SUNDAY: FINGER ONTHE PULSE 3RD

Results so far this week on the website above ??? ??? Just messing C Berg :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 01:26:30 PM
Planet of sound wins by 6 lengths!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 01:26:57 PM
Planet of Sound obliges at 6/4, had a scare at the second last but was still impressive...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 14, 2009, 01:27:10 PM
Nice one nail
Bit of a scare 2 out but all good
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 02:00:39 PM
The Giant Mad Max tip toes to victory!! :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 14, 2009, 02:01:16 PM
Good stuff nail
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 14, 2009, 02:01:40 PM
Great job Our Nail, cheers for that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 14, 2009, 02:02:11 PM
A nice wee £50 double lads. I hope you had a nice wee punt on it aswell Nail. ;) and it went into 4/5 at the off. :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on January 14, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
good stuff niall, what ya think, leave it for today, or there any others worth following?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 02:04:08 PM
Nice time to join the board Gunnar,after 3 posts ur up a fortune lol :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on January 14, 2009, 02:04:32 PM
Yeeeeoooooo!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 14, 2009, 02:05:33 PM
went into bookies at lunch time to do the double, backed about 4 losers on dogs and greyhounds then did the double and walked out. overall it just gets my money back i lost at lunch time, patience is the biggest quality of a good gambler i think!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: Clown on January 14, 2009, 02:05:33 PM
went into bookies at lunch time to do the double, backed about 4 losers on dogs and greyhounds then did the double and walked out. overall it just gets my money back i lost at lunch time, patience is the biggest quality of a good gambler i think!!

Are they not the same lol!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 02:09:58 PM
Tony McCoy what a guy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on January 14, 2009, 02:13:43 PM
Nice time to join the board Gunnar,after 3 posts ur up a fortune lol 

cant argue with that, meant to be working here, but im hooked
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on January 14, 2009, 02:16:38 PM
Aren't we all!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 02:18:45 PM
Its always like this too Gunnar,tips always win and its great craic!!! :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 14, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
sorry lol meant to say horses and dogs
??? ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 02:29:39 PM
Said to my cousin earlier, Mad Max will win the Ballymore this year, the RSA Chase next year then the Gold Cup the year after...

Quote me on that!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 14, 2009, 02:02:11 PM
A nice wee £50 double lads. I hope you had a nice wee punt on it aswell Nail. ;) and it went into 4/5 at the off. :D :D

Had 40 on the double myself win, the 4/1 special came up Frank!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 02:32:42 PM
7/1 with WH for the Ballymore at cheltenham!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 14, 2009, 02:33:55 PM
The best news i had today was when Frank said the specials never win. ;) Good lad Frank ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 14, 2009, 02:02:11 PM
A nice wee £50 double lads. I hope you had a nice wee punt on it aswell Nail. ;) and it went into 4/5 at the off. :D :D

Had 40 on the double myself win, the 4/1 special came up Frank!

It came up prob because i never backed either, let alone the double lol :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 02:35:34 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 14, 2009, 02:33:55 PM
The best news i had today was when Frank said the specials never win. ;) Good lad Frank ;)

Was messing with ya Niall,horses dont know they are put in a special double lol:)They run the same either way  :P :P

Did those smiley faces mean nothing to you Winsamsoon lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: gunnar mrydal on January 14, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
good stuff niall, what ya think, leave it for today, or there any others worth following?

Quit while you are ahead lad, don't go looking for a bet, let the bet find you!!

That is deep.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on January 14, 2009, 03:12:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
We have a special up for Mad Max and Planet Of Sound, 4/1 the double... Normal prices pay 4.10 for a pound so getting a wee bit extra...

That was some pirice, had a tenner double on it and got £45 back!!!!! Mad Max looks very Awkward
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 14, 2009, 03:12:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
We have a special up for Mad Max and Planet Of Sound, 4/1 the double... Normal prices pay 4.10 for a pound so getting a wee bit extra...

That was some pirice, had a tenner double on it and got £45 back!!!!! Mad Max looks very Awkward

He is justa huge horse and built for chasing, as Nicky henderson says hurdles are a nuisance to him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: edendorkgael on January 15, 2009, 10:14:50 AM

                        EDENDORK ST MALACHY'S GAC                     
                                           presents

          "COUNTDOWN TO CROKER"

AN EVENING OF CHAT & DEBATE ON THE HOT TOPICS OF THE GAA

Would you like to be the new owner of this future greyhound champion?


Get along to the Glenavon House Hotel, Cookstown, on Friday January 23rd, when Edendork St Malachys GAC will host a gala chat evening 'Countdown To Croker' featuring Tyrone and Dublin legends from the '95 final. The greyhound pup is just one of the many items which will be auctioned on the big night, proceeds going towards the rebuilding of Edendork clubhouse, destroyed in an arson attack. Above, Austin Kelly, Edendork GFC, receives the pup from Peter Bayne (representing Mr Paddy Owens, who donated the pup). Also pictured is well known greyhound personality Mr Brenden Gervin who has kindly agreed to look after the pup.
The pup is three and a half months old and is a son of leading sire Ningbo Jack. His mother is from the much sought after breeding line of Staplers Jo and has already thrown winners in her previous two litters.
Anyone wishing to place a bid for the pup should telephone
07841 927437.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 15, 2009, 10:17:48 AM
could this pup be a future grand national winner  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 11:13:16 AM
4.10 Ludlow
Scrum V
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 15, 2009, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 11:13:16 AM
4.10 Ludlow
Scrum V

Any more info?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Nothing very solid, I havent been talking to the horse or anything  :).  However I was talking to a guy who does get fairly good imformation.  I wouldn't put the house on it, but at 9/4 it's a nice price.  Might even be worth doing a double with him and Buster Royale in the 2.50
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 15, 2009, 12:20:03 PM
Massive gamble on Lucidor in the 1.20 in Taunton
Anyone hear anything about it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 15, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
Quote from: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Might even be worth doing a double with him and Buster Royale in the 2.50

Is this running today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 01:55:09 PM
Quote from: full back on January 15, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
Quote from: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Might even be worth doing a double with him and Buster Royale in the 2.50

Is this running today?

Not being smart but Yes, in the 2.50 at Taunton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 15, 2009, 02:04:57 PM
Quote from: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 01:55:09 PM
Quote from: full back on January 15, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
Quote from: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Might even be worth doing a double with him and Buster Royale in the 2.50

Is this running today?

Not being smart but Yes, in the 2.50 at Taunton

Was typing Buster Royale in to Betfair & it wasnt coming up
Not being smart but it Busker  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 15, 2009, 02:10:08 PM
Lads what about "I'm the decider" running at 14:20...tell me quick
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: full back on January 15, 2009, 02:04:57 PM
Quote from: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 01:55:09 PM
Quote from: full back on January 15, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
Quote from: jaykay on January 15, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Might even be worth doing a double with him and Buster Royale in the 2.50

Is this running today?

My Bad  :-[

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 15, 2009, 02:24:48 PM
forget about it serga ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 15, 2009, 03:26:23 PM
£10 on Oldrik there who just won with the dick out....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 15, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 15, 2009, 02:10:08 PM
Lads what about "I'm the decider" running at 14:20...tell me quick

Lads i'm raging that hoor won at 7/2. that would have been some double with oldrik
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on January 15, 2009, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 15, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 15, 2009, 02:10:08 PM
Lads what about "I'm the decider" running at 14:20...tell me quick

Lads i'm raging that hoor won at 7/2. that would have been some double with oldrik


You should have just went with it anyway ! You knew that if you hadn't done it and it won, you'd be raging with yourself. Don;t do it next time out - it'll be beat !  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
I guess one could say then that i'm the decider firmly put i'lldecide in place  ;) ;) :D :D ps i see the white smoke was flowing last night at the club saan.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 16, 2009, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
I guess one could say then that i'm the decider firmly put i'lldecide in place  ;) ;) :D :D ps i see the white smoke was flowing last night at the club saan.

Hoor ya...there was white smoke alright...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 16, 2009, 12:13:44 PM
Question for Our Niall. Can you place a bet where you pick a number of horses to be placed only? Do u get a 1/4 the odds for them then?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 16, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
There is a market on Betfair where you can bet on any horse to be placed & it gives you a price (rather than 1/4 the odds
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on January 16, 2009, 12:18:10 PM
Same on Paddypower.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 16, 2009, 02:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 16, 2009, 12:13:44 PM
Question for Our Niall. Can you place a bet where you pick a number of horses to be placed only? Do u get a 1/4 the odds for them then?

You can't do the bet in a normal bookies no... You would need to do an each way accum, and would get 1/4 the odds for the place yes, 1/5 in some places though so watch out. Though we have a list of horses up every day for place only specials on the wall, always better odds than 1/4...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 18, 2009, 12:06:05 PM
Master Minded was flawless, AGAIN, there yesterday, has to be the festival banker, thinking of having my biggest ever bet on him come Cheltenham!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 18, 2009, 03:01:04 PM
3
(2)    River Kirov

S Drowne
M Wigham
3241-11  6
9-1 11-8 6-4   13-8
Odds History: 11-8 6-4
SP

1-5

10-11

2-5

W/O

Could it be four in a row????????????? 4:50 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 18, 2009, 03:51:51 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 18, 2009, 12:06:05 PM
Master Minded was flawless, AGAIN, there yesterday, has to be the festival banker, thinking of having my biggest ever bet on him come Cheltenham!!

Best priced 4/11 though Nail. Not a lot of value there but he did look superb.

As for the champion hurdle, as you suggested after Chrirstmas Nail, Binocular has drfited out a bit-- 11/8 with Paddy Power.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 18, 2009, 04:07:43 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 18, 2009, 03:51:51 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 18, 2009, 12:06:05 PM
Master Minded was flawless, AGAIN, there yesterday, has to be the festival banker, thinking of having my biggest ever bet on him come Cheltenham!!

Best priced 4/11 though Nail. Not a lot of value there but he did look superb.

As for the champion hurdle, as you suggested after Chrirstmas Nail, Binocular has drfited out a bit-- 11/8 with Paddy Power.

Yeah a lot of pundits have been voicing their doubts about Binocular over the Cheltenham course, its a speed horse all the way and flatter tracks such as Ascot and Aintree where it has done so well will obviously suit better... Would have been good to see Nicky give the horse a run at a more undulating course but sure then it would be too easy! obviously it will be the fastest horse in the race but I dunno...

At the minute I have started putting little amounts on my favourite horse in the race, Sublimity, backed it last year and thought it was cruising around the final bend but wasn't too be... Looks to be hitting top form again this year at the right times...

Don't rule out Katchit either, the Champion Hurdle is probably the race I am looking forward to the most...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 20, 2009, 11:15:15 AM
seen that Drici that just shows how badly they are struggling for numbers. If i could get of work i would have ventured down. Help out their old chest fund. :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on January 20, 2009, 11:22:16 AM
Did you see this article Our Nail, would have been a nice early profit if you had backed Master Minded before saturday.

http://www.cheltenham-festival.co.uk/article363.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
Yeah saw it this morning, shoudl have lumped on saturday night when I made my mind up, sadly was waiting til I saved a lot more... It has inspired me more anyway to do my bet, but going to wait til after the february run...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
2.30 Southwell

Majuro (spencer rides)

backed into 11/8 from 15/8 and looks to have a great chance!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 20, 2009, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
Yeah saw it this morning, shoudl have lumped on saturday night when I made my mind up, sadly was waiting til I saved a lot more... It has inspired me more anyway to do my bet, but going to wait til after the february run...

Nail why would u back a horse at 1/4 in a championship race at Cheltenham? Surely there is better value out there?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on January 20, 2009, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 20, 2009, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
Yeah saw it this morning, shoudl have lumped on saturday night when I made my mind up, sadly was waiting til I saved a lot more... It has inspired me more anyway to do my bet, but going to wait til after the february run...

Nail why would u back a horse at 1/4 in a championship race at Cheltenham? Surely there is better value out there?

I wouldn't back it as i wouldn't back the sort of money required to get a decent profit out of it but a win at 1/4 is better than a loose at a bigger price. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 20, 2009, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
2.30 Southwell

Majuro (spencer rides)

backed into 11/8 from 15/8 and looks to have a great chance!

Mozayada has made me a clean fortune over past couple months or so & I will be backing him, although his only defeat of late has been 4th to Majuro!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 02:17:32 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on January 20, 2009, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
2.30 Southwell

Majuro (spencer rides)

backed into 11/8 from 15/8 and looks to have a great chance!

Mozayada has made me a clean fortune over past couple months or so & I will be backing him, although his only defeat of late has been 4th to Majuro!

Has won five from seven since switched to this surface, and better than ever when winning fillies' handicap over 1m here last week; finished over 5l behind Majuro two outings ago, though, and now 6lb worse off, and up a total of 9lb from latest win here (including 3lb out of handicap), so might need another career-best on this drop to 7f.

Time will tell lol ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 20, 2009, 02:20:35 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
2.30 Southwell

Majuro (spencer rides)

backed into 11/8 from 15/8 and looks to have a great chance!

Spencer was interviewed on ATR - says he'll win.

Ferdy Murphy said his best chance of the day at Sedgefield was Luzenie in the 2:50 (15 on Betfair). He's since won the 1:50 with Bonnetta! He could be messing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 02:40:22 PM
Nightjar wins! Majuro 2nd  >:( >:(

WH form below read  for Nightjar:

Already looking a Fibresand specialist
But entirely possible return to this surface will see him bounce back to form

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 20, 2009, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
Yeah saw it this morning, shoudl have lumped on saturday night when I made my mind up, sadly was waiting til I saved a lot more... It has inspired me more anyway to do my bet, but going to wait til after the february run...

Nail why would u back a horse at 1/4 in a championship race at Cheltenham? Surely there is better value out there?

Show me it and I will take your hand off Mickkey... Looking for a cert to invest my savings, this isn't just any small punt, I could put the lot each way on my main tip for the festival... its 10/1, 12s in places...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 20, 2009, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Looking for a cert to invest my savings, this isn't just any small punt, I could put the lot each way on my main tip for the festival... its 10/1, 12s in places...

What is it onl?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 20, 2009, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
Yeah saw it this morning, shoudl have lumped on saturday night when I made my mind up, sadly was waiting til I saved a lot more... It has inspired me more anyway to do my bet, but going to wait til after the february run...

Nail why would u back a horse at 1/4 in a championship race at Cheltenham? Surely there is better value out there?

Plus I dunno where you are getting your 1/4, I can see it at 2/5 and most bookies are going 4/11 1/3 on it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 04:44:26 PM
Quote from: full back on January 20, 2009, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Looking for a cert to invest my savings, this isn't just any small punt, I could put the lot each way on my main tip for the festival... its 10/1, 12s in places...

What is it onl?

Former winner at the festival, new trainer this season, has run well so far this season and I think is back to its best...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on January 20, 2009, 04:46:09 PM
Nail just buy your f**king car as planned.  You WILL regret this!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on January 20, 2009, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 20, 2009, 04:46:09 PM
Nail just buy your f**king car as planned.  You WILL regret this!!

:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 20, 2009, 04:46:09 PM
Nail just buy your f**king car as planned.  You WILL regret this!!

I could buy a better car with more money won from Master Minded brains!!

Read this:

http://betdiary.ie/donnmcclean/2009/01/19/master-class/

Plus I have not definitely made my mind up yet, still pondering it..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
Master minded can be backed at 2/5 at the minute which is better than the 1/4 talked about before!Just lettin u all know!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on January 20, 2009, 04:52:22 PM
Don't say I haven't warned you.  There is every possibility that Master Minded could get a touch of stingring during the race and not run as well as you think it will. You are a gluton for punishment Nail, but I wish you all the best.  I'll give you a lend of my bike after the race  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
Master minded can be backed at 2/5 at the minute which is better than the 1/4 talked about before!Just lettin u all know!

Said that above frank...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on January 20, 2009, 04:57:04 PM
U sure did,sorry bout that,just making sure u get best price! All counts when we are backing big!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on January 20, 2009, 06:29:23 PM
Whats up Nails ass? Actually, maybe better if we don't know  ;) :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tiberius on January 21, 2009, 03:22:06 PM
Just got a tip there from a very reliable source for Norminster 3.30 at Musselburgh
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 21, 2009, 03:46:11 PM
hope you didnt lose too much!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 21, 2009, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: Tiberius on January 21, 2009, 03:22:06 PM
Just got a tip there from a very reliable source for Norminster 3.30 at Musselburgh

:D :D :D :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tiberius on January 21, 2009, 03:50:54 PM
Disappointing, it never go into the shake up at all :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 21, 2009, 03:53:24 PM
a tip my arse!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tiberius on January 21, 2009, 03:56:14 PM
u can't win em all, if it had of won it's a different story!
thought u were more of a doggy man than a horsey man max?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 21, 2009, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: Tiberius on January 21, 2009, 03:56:14 PM
u can't win em all, if it had of won it's a different story!
thought u were more of a doggy man than a horsey man max?

poker auld hand.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 22, 2009, 11:06:01 AM
Well Tiberius, any fool tips for us today :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on January 22, 2009, 02:04:11 PM
Fella in work gets word now & again from what has been a reasonably reliable source in the past....and today in the 3.45 Gowran FRENCH TIES has been advised each way! Got it at 20/1 at lunch time
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: C_Berg_316 on January 22, 2009, 04:36:47 PM
hope use have been keeping a wee eye on that site i was talking about lads:

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?Pageid=65465

All winners this week so far  :)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 22, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
Wot about other weeks? is it profitable to follow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: C_Berg_316 on January 22, 2009, 07:11:26 PM
I've been monitoring it for a while now - like i said when i first mentioned it - horses this guy tips arent usually great prices but they are nearly always placed - thinking about starting a months trial of a something small like 2.50 each way on each of his tips and keeping a spreadsheet of the outcome - if after a month ive made some profit maybe increase the stake - if not ill forget about it..... :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 24, 2009, 10:34:35 AM
Tanking Diamond Harry today, not going to say how much but then if it wins going to invest in Punchestowns...

The purchase of my future car hangs in the balance!  ;)
Title: Re: Cheltenham 12-55
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 24, 2009, 02:33:14 PM
Quote from: drici on January 24, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Diamond Harry romps home at 8/15x.

Wouldnt say romped home, had my heart in my mouth, was my biggest ever bet!!

Now for Punchestowns...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 24, 2009, 02:37:24 PM
2 Lucky 15s for today:

Don 2:50 - On Raglan Rd
Chelt 3:10 - Walkon
Don 3:25 - According to Pete
Chelt 3:45 - Punchestown

Chelt 2:05 - Akilak
Chelt 2:35 - Tidal Bay
Chelt 3:45 - Big Bucks
Chelt 4:20 - Five Dream
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on January 24, 2009, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: C_Berg_316 on January 22, 2009, 07:11:26 PM
I've been monitoring it for a while now - like i said when i first mentioned it - horses this guy tips arent usually great prices but they are nearly always placed - thinking about starting a months trial of a something small like 2.50 each way on each of his tips and keeping a spreadsheet of the outcome - if after a month ive made some profit maybe increase the stake - if not ill forget about it..... :D

not really much point going ew on them tips there.you might as well have the fiver straight on all them
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 24, 2009, 03:57:29 PM
Big Bucks beats Punchestowns...

Lost a hundred on it but still up a bit for today and got my football done for free
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on January 25, 2009, 10:19:29 PM
Great win by Brave Inca.

And a great day for me thanks to 25-1 Chateux D'eu!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on January 26, 2009, 01:00:48 AM
a good weekend of racing. Punchestowns also let me down but had Joe Lively backed so i was happy with him.. Willie and Patrick Mullins are taking the piss with the bumpers.... What will Willie do in Cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 27, 2009, 02:17:19 PM
Tip circulating for All Roads Lead in the 3.00@Taunton. 14/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 27, 2009, 02:32:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 27, 2009, 02:17:19 PM
Tip circulating for All Roads Lead in the 3.00@Taunton. 14/1

Good man Benny I need a good tip at the end of a long dry January. It's 33/1 on Betfair. I managed to borrow £100 from the Credit Union and stuck it on the nose. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 27, 2009, 03:08:49 PM
I think he pulled up before the last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on January 27, 2009, 09:31:26 PM
Slim Pickings put down after breaking a leg on the gallops.

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.sd?story=87082 (http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.sd?story=87082)

Grand National-placed Slim Pickings put down
By Tony O'Hehir 12.59PM 27 JAN 2009

SLIM PICKINGS, who twice finished in the first four in the Grand National, will be missing from the list of entries for this year's Aintree spectacular after breaking a leg at the weekend.

The ten-year-old's trainer Tom Taaffe said on Tuesday: "Sadly, Slim Pickings has had to be put down. He broke a hind-leg pastern doing a routine canter on the gallops at the weekend. It is the sad side of racing, especially when you consider all the fences he jumped during his career.

"I couldn't say anything until today as I had to contact all his owners. I'm very sorry for them and for my staff. We only had the horse for two seasons but he gave us all a couple of great days at Aintree."

A son of Scribano, Slim Pickings finished third behind Silver Birchand Mckelvey in the 2007 John Smith's-sponsored Grand National, when he was beaten only two lengths by the winner. He finished fourth behind Comply Or Die last year and was ridden both times by Barry Geraghty.

Owned by the Doubtful Five Syndicate, he won four of his 27 races over jumps and was placed on ten other occasions. All of his wins were achieved when he was trained by Robert Tyner, for whom he won a bumper and a maiden hurdle before twice scoringover fences during the 2006-07 season, when he landed the Irish Field Novice Chase at Punchestown and the Imperial Call Chase at Cork.

Slim Pickings ran three times this season, putting up his best effort when second to Watson Lake in the Fortria Chase at Navan in November.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 28, 2009, 11:44:23 AM
An awful lot of boys looking to back Ike Quebec in the 7.20
Anyone hear/know anything about it?
Has been gambled in from 33/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Off The Fence on January 28, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: full back on January 28, 2009, 11:44:23 AM
An awful lot of boys looking to back Ike Quebec in the 7.20
Anyone hear/know anything about it?
Has been gambled in from 33/1

Into 5/1 at the start.........
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Off The Fence on January 28, 2009, 07:24:35 PM
Finished 3rd
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 29, 2009, 02:58:53 PM
Raging I missed Lurgan today! Backed him last time out.

Heard Big Zumo has decent each way claims in the last!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on January 30, 2009, 02:51:10 AM
Glenfinn captain let me down today ona yankee. Had three up and was waiting on it >:(

On a related note, it always puzzles me how the  bookies in Newry make money, every man seems to know his stuff ;D ;D
Every racecard is marked, every man was talking to a trainer etc
Newry has the most bullshitters in the whole world!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Off The Fence on February 02, 2009, 10:47:59 AM
Folks, 

Who is riding Denman on Saturday?

EDIT:  Just after finding the answer to my question.  I'd say Thomas would be well pissed off even if he is having a stinker!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on February 06, 2009, 02:10:27 PM
Bit of word for Gower in the 8.50 @Wolver
Has been gambled from 25's
If you can get 10/1 or better take it ew
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on February 06, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
10/1 with Stan James
12/1 Skybet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 06, 2009, 11:33:06 PM
Alberta's Run 6/1 to beat Denman tomorrow. Ran very well at Kempton at Christmas. Bit of value there considering Denman's been inactive for near 11 months?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on February 07, 2009, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: full back on February 06, 2009, 02:10:27 PM
Bit of word for Gower in the 8.50 @Wolver
Has been gambled from 25's
If you can get 10/1 or better take it ew

Stuffed  :-\
Apologies to those who threw away their hard earned cash
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on February 07, 2009, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 06, 2009, 11:33:06 PM
Alberta's Run 6/1 to beat Denman tomorrow. Ran very well at Kempton at Christmas. Bit of value there considering Denman's been inactive for near 11 months?

I'm with you on this one, I think that you would have to be mad to be backing Denman at 1/2 and 6/1 is attractive for a horse who was second in the King George over C&D. Alot of talk about Denman going righthanded, I don't think that this will be any problem to him, he is a pretty straighforward horse. But, since 06 all his runs have been on undulating, gallopping tracks (which are also all left handed) Leopardstown, Newbury & Cheltenham. Kempton is flat and tight, so I don't think that it will bring out the best in him.

Jonjo is in good form, so is the horse, he has AP on board looking for 2,999, but the main concern is the soft ground for Albertas.

Denman is a monster of a horse, who they won't have been too hard on at home and you can safely say that he won't be fully wound up for today and probably carrying a bit of condition. Alot of question marks, however, he is a class horse of the highest order and will probably come out and murder them  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 09, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Been told Excape is an excellent prospect for hurdling and makes his debut over the obstacles today in 1.30 at Plumpton. Best price 7/4 at the moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on February 09, 2009, 01:15:43 PM
the ground would be a big no no in thinkking about backing excape
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 09, 2009, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on February 09, 2009, 01:15:43 PM
the ground would be a big no no in thinkking about backing excape

Aye looks that way with the market  :-\ Fingers crossed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 09, 2009, 01:39:45 PM
Apologies lads, no use. Hopefully he'll get our money back another time under better conditions.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 09, 2009, 03:17:27 PM
2,999 for AP,

After winning on Hello Moscow,

Surely must break it today now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
miss sarenne 10/11 from 1/1 now in the next
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 03:52:01 PM
MCCoy fell when leading at the last, unreal!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 03:52:01 PM
MCCoy fell when leading at the last, unreal!!!!!

Some scream in the bookies here!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 09, 2009, 03:52:42 PM
Lol,

You couldnt write this stuff!!

Who won it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 03:53:35 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 03:52:01 PM
MCCoy fell when leading at the last, unreal!!!!!

Some scream in the bookies here!

did yous take much on it!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: Joxer on February 09, 2009, 03:52:42 PM
Lol,

You couldnt write this stuff!!

Who won it?

Qaspia 5/1 shot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 03:53:35 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 03:52:01 PM
MCCoy fell when leading at the last, unreal!!!!!

Some scream in the bookies here!

did yous take much on it!!!!!!

Yeah everyone was backing him, don't think took any on the other runners...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 04:01:03 PM
I would say there was some cursing done at him :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 04:01:03 PM
I would say there was some cursing done at him :D

There was but they know he has done them enough good turns in the past

Restless d'artaix in the next now, come on tony wrap it up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 04:08:55 PM
Restless d'artaix show just in, 7/4x
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tiberius on February 09, 2009, 04:16:04 PM
Just got a tip there for Sebastiano 4.20 at plumpton, hope it does better than my last one!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ExiledGael on February 09, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
3,000 up for McCoy. Restless Darte just won at Plumpton.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 09, 2009, 04:29:01 PM
McCoy does it!

Fair play to him!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
what a guy, stuck sixty on for an interest!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on February 09, 2009, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
what a guy, stuck sixty on for an interest!!

Not bad money to be puttin on for 'an interest' ONL  :o  Good win though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on February 09, 2009, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
what a guy, stuck sixty on for an interest!!

Not bad money to be puttin on for 'an interest' ONL  :o  Good win though

I was up for the day anyway as I had forty on hello moscow anyway

Not bad, two bets, two winners, good man AP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 09, 2009, 04:38:36 PM
a legend!!! he dosnt get enough credit, well done
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 09, 2009, 04:44:36 PM
Absolute sporting superstar! Hats off to AP!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
Shame he is consistently over looked at the sports personality awards...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on February 10, 2009, 12:32:22 PM
wot u mean drici?
stan steer from c4 teletext?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on February 10, 2009, 01:30:32 PM
ah didn't really think he was up to much anyway to be honest, anytime i looked at his selections anyhow.  At the end of the day chaps stan steer and boys like him are just other people with their own opinion.

I do however follow the 'Late Whisper' on c4 with a fairly decent success rate.

The boys on p510 who 'tip' selections on wide range of sports are usually not far off the mark either.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ulster-boy on February 12, 2009, 03:43:56 PM
any thoughts on denman folks, with cheltenham only a few weeks away?

anyone got any strong fancies for the festival?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on February 12, 2009, 03:56:27 PM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=10897.0
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 13, 2009, 10:05:39 AM
Right I dunno how reliable this is but my da got a tip from the owner of this horse said as long as it wasn't racing against Forpadydeplasterer it should go well, and forpady isn't running

The horse is HUME RIVER in the 3.50 at fairyhouse, trained by jessica harrington and won last day out at the maze..

Its 7/2 at the moment... Might be worth a small win wager, not worth each way at the rpice, won't get your stake money back...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on February 13, 2009, 10:12:04 AM
Cheers Our Nail, a nice wee lift on a bleak Friday.  You are a star. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 13, 2009, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 13, 2009, 10:12:04 AM
Cheers Our Nail, a nice wee lift on a bleak Friday.  You are a star. 

Shut it you!! You know the drill, if it wins I want adulation, if it loses we never talk about it again!!

9/2 with Victor Chandler...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 13, 2009, 12:02:15 PM
GOOD FELLA has a fine record at this venue and has a good opportunity to enhance his reputation as a course specialist. The eight-year-old, who owed one of his three hurdle wins here last season to a technical disqualification, had his first three races over fences at Navan before getting off the mark with a convincing victory over Sizing America here at the beginning of last month. He was given a very patient ride when stepped up to 3m in a Grade 2 at Naas on his latest start, but was unable to get to grips with the stamina-endowed Parsons Pistol.\n
Dropping back in trip here, Good Fella is likely to be tested by the 6lb-receiving Oscar Time, a bumper and hurdles winner who has notched three seconds and a third from four starts since being sent over fences. There was no disgrace in his 8l second to Rare Bob at Punchestown, though his 116 rating looks just a bit high given his failure to beat An Peinteir (rated 107) here on his previous start.\n
Hume River, who gave a below-par display in the race in which Oscar Time was third to Bridge Run here in November, returned to form when beating Judge Deed at Down Royal and seems almost sure to challenge for a share of the money.\n
Rock Diplomat, a former point-to-point winner who numbered Good Fella amongst his victims when winning a 3m maiden hurdle at Naas almost two years ago, spent all of last season on the sidelines. He finished a distance behind the third horse on his comeback in the race in the Punchestown event in which Oscar Time was second to Rare Bob, but may get a great deal closer with that outing under his belt.lt.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on February 13, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 13, 2009, 10:05:39 AM
Right I dunno how reliable this is but my da got a tip from the owner of this horse said as long as it wasn't racing against Forpadydeplasterer it should go well, and forpady isn't running

The horse is HUME RIVER in the 3.50 at fairyhouse, trained by jessica harrington and won last day out at the maze..

Its 7/2 at the moment... Might be worth a small win wager, not worth each way at the rpice, won't get your stake money back...

It is 5.8 on betfair if anyone is interested
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on February 13, 2009, 12:44:40 PM
Whats that in fractions??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bensars on February 13, 2009, 12:46:19 PM
slightly over 9/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 13, 2009, 03:41:20 PM
Opened 4/1, backed into 3s now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 13, 2009, 03:57:56 PM
Dicked, fave wins it. Sorry...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on February 13, 2009, 04:38:08 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 13, 2009, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: full back on February 13, 2009, 04:38:08 PM
:'(

:'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on February 13, 2009, 06:07:58 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 13, 2009, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: full back on February 13, 2009, 04:38:08 PM
:'(

:'(

:D

Wait I had money on it too.

:'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 13, 2009, 08:06:52 PM
That one hurt me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on February 13, 2009, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 13, 2009, 03:57:56 PM
Dicked, fave wins it. Sorry...
Almost the St Valentines Day Massacre Our Nail, we await your next one though to lift the gloom.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 17, 2009, 12:38:55 PM
any tips for today :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 17, 2009, 01:15:24 PM
Quoteany tips for today

Definitely not tips, but I think there's a bit of value in three horses at Wolverhampton today at the prices - Nawaaf (8.4 Betfair) in the 2:40, Cornus (5.7) in the 3:10 and High Five Society (5.6) in the 4:10. I'll be disappointed if I don't make a profit from backing all three.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Off The Fence on February 17, 2009, 01:46:54 PM
Fancy Guilderstern in the 3.10 myself but your right about the other two, great prices for them
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 17, 2009, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: Off The Fence on February 17, 2009, 01:46:54 PM
Fancy Guilderstern in the 3.10 myself but your right about the other two, great prices for them
2nd at 5/1.
Had a bit of word for Ardent Princess in the 5.10 at Wolves.Do what ya like with it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on February 17, 2009, 03:50:20 PM
word going about for traffic control in the 4.30 southwell. has been heavily backed all day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 17, 2009, 04:17:25 PM
Feckit. High Five Society proved a nightmare ride but still would have delivered my profit if he hadn't stopped racing for a couple of strides fifty yards out to look around him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 18, 2009, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: boojangles on February 17, 2009, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: Off The Fence on February 17, 2009, 01:46:54 PM
Fancy Guilderstern in the 3.10 myself but your right about the other two, great prices for them
2nd at 5/1.
Had a bit of word for Ardent Princess in the 5.10 at Wolves.Do what ya like with it.
Meadows thyne 435 Punchestown 6/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on February 18, 2009, 01:33:44 PM
National Petition 4.10 Ludlow for me today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on February 18, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Lads just cut the limit to £10 for every 7 days with PP as things were getting out of hand and its only when i checked my account there that i realised just how much i was gambling when i was supposed to be working...Credit crunch that Paddy Power....shower of hoors ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 18, 2009, 05:39:17 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 18, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Lads just cut the limit to £10 for every 7 days with PP as things were getting out of hand and its only when i checked my account there that i realised just how much i was gambling when i was supposed to be working...Credit crunch that Paddy Power....shower of hoors ;)

You will be cursing that the next week when you use your tenner by Monday and get a tip the wednesday!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 18, 2009, 09:17:17 PM
sorry this is late but fav halsion is fully expected to win 15/8
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 19, 2009, 01:00:02 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 18, 2009, 09:17:17 PM
sorry this is late but fav halsion is fully expected to win 15/8

Thank god it was late ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 19, 2009, 10:28:18 AM
Thyne Again drops dead

(© Inpho)

Liam Burke's star performer Thyne Again dropped dead on the gallops this morning.

The 8-y-o Grade 1 winner was an intended traveller to Cheltenham for the Champion Chase and this is a big blow to Burke's yard and the owners.

Thyne Again contested last Sunday's Hennessy Gold Cup at Leopardstown, but failed to stay the trip on his first try over 3 miles.

He was given an easy time of it by Shay Barry once his chance had gone on Sunday and returned home in great form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ulster-boy on February 19, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
king ar aghaidh each way in the next at huntingdon 14/1. not really a tip but it seems to be an improving sort and i tink it mite run into a place!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 20, 2009, 07:32:21 PM
Feels like I havent gave a winner in ages so hope this can redeem me

My boss' horse in the 8.20 at wolver, is out for the win tonight apparently

INNER VOICE

Don't go mad now...

Fingers crossed, I have a ton on it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 20, 2009, 08:23:12 PM
Absolute f**king donkey

Am never gonna back it again

Apologies...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 20, 2009, 08:30:14 PM
Aw for frig's sake. I'm only ever on your friggin losing tips! Had an awful hassle getting the bet on too cos I couldn't remember my coral password - just made it with seconds to spare. Ah well......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 20, 2009, 08:33:26 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 20, 2009, 08:30:14 PM
Aw for frig's sake. I'm only ever on your friggin losing tips! Had an awful hassle getting the bet on too cos I couldn't remember my coral password - just made it with seconds to spare. Ah well......

My boss is on the rage, calling Lambe all the names of the day, told him ten minutes before the race it wouldn't be beat

Was beat a mile out!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tiberius on February 24, 2009, 03:07:46 PM
Just got a fon call woth a tip for Pristine Condition in the 4.20 at Leicester currently 6/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 24, 2009, 05:03:04 PM
Who ta f*ck phoned you?  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on February 24, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Im guessing Patrick Power, Stanley James or William Hill  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 24, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
Anyone going off the horses for Lent?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 24, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
Anyone going off the horses for Lent?

no chance. Cheltenham stuck right in the middle... been told to have a good e/w on PLANET OF SOUND 12/1 in the ARKLE
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 25, 2009, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 24, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
Anyone going off the horses for Lent?

no chance. Cheltenham stuck right in the middle... been told to have a good e/w on PLANET OF SOUND 12/1 in the ARKLE

This horse is in my horse alerts, Richard Johnson himself picked it as his horse to follow there at the start of the season in the National Hunt Book the Racing Post made...

Form over xmas boosted there yesterday by Song Of Songs winning very easily, won by 1.5 lengths, could have been thirty if it had not eased off
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
3.50 Bangor been told to have a good go at Ultimate Limit, which is going up 10lbs on Friday and won easily lto and is being backed today so far.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on February 25, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
3.50 Bangor been told to have a good go at Ultimate Limit, which is going up 10lbs on Friday and won easily lto and is being backed today so far.
Well done Sammy, maintaining your 100% record.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 25, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 25, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
3.50 Bangor been told to have a good go at Ultimate Limit, which is going up 10lbs on Friday and won easily lto and is being backed today so far.
Well done Sammy, maintaining your 100% record.

:D :D

Hope illdecide was on I'M THE DECIDER there at Bangor, a great ride from AP, won at 11/8
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on February 25, 2009, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 25, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
3.50 Bangor been told to have a good go at Ultimate Limit, which is going up 10lbs on Friday and won easily lto and is being backed today so far.
Well done Sammy, maintaining your 100% record.

FFS, I backed it, didnt see the race but thought it had won after reading this
Only thing worse than a loser, is thinking you have backed a winner then finding out it was always a loser :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: full back on February 25, 2009, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 25, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
3.50 Bangor been told to have a good go at Ultimate Limit, which is going up 10lbs on Friday and won easily lto and is being backed today so far.
Well done Sammy, maintaining your 100% record.

FFS, I backed it, didnt see the race but thought it had won after reading this
Only thing worse than a loser, is thinking you have backed a winner then finding out it was always a loser :'(

old Doogie being glib there I see, what was his nap of the day? what can we do apart from try eh? apols to anyone that got stung on this one

others to note, Gunfighter 5.oo Wolvs, Waldorf 6.oopm Wolvs and Emirates World 8.20 Kemp g/l if you have a go

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on February 25, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: full back on February 25, 2009, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 25, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
3.50 Bangor been told to have a good go at Ultimate Limit, which is going up 10lbs on Friday and won easily lto and is being backed today so far.
Well done Sammy, maintaining your 100% record.

FFS, I backed it, didnt see the race but thought it had won after reading this
Only thing worse than a loser, is thinking you have backed a winner then finding out it was always a loser :'(

old Doogie being glib there I see, what was his nap of the day? what can we do apart from try eh? apols to anyone that got stung on this one

others to note, Gunfighter 5.oo Wolvs, Waldorf 6.oopm Wolvs and Emirates World 8.20 Kemp g/l if you have a go


Don't be getting all tetchy on me now Sammy, but your last two 'naps' have been roaring red hot favourites and each time they have been dicked by outsiders, 40/1 & 8/1 if memory serves me right, don't worry though keep trying, I will follow. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 05:10:38 PM
another belter there on gunfighter too... I may have to question where some of this stuff is coming from Doogie.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on February 25, 2009, 05:14:19 PM
Keep at it Sammy, we have all been struggling on here for a few days now.  Our leader Our Nail will oblige soon enough.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 25, 2009, 06:11:20 PM
hey-ho about bloody time, Waldorf obliges at the tasty price of 9/2, stakes were gradually getting smaller as the afternoon went on so didn't have as much on it as I should have

got a few pound to spend on Emirates World later on, forget about the football unless you fancy unders all around, cagey first legs and all that!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 26, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
Emirates World disappoints - Caim Hill 3.25 Thurles

210sth more time tim - expected to follow up...
220lud celticello - evans having a go today ...
350lud major malarkey - small win / bigger place...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 27, 2009, 12:49:29 PM
Fairyland 4.45 Doncaster One of NJH's and has 4 seconds in a row in the formbook. Other one is Loyal Royal tonight at Wolves in the 8.50.

315new ordre de bataille small win / bigger place
340don wistow small win / bigger place
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Yes I Would on February 27, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
Big Joes horse Kempes might be worth a few quid each way in the supreme novice on the Tuesday..
Rumour has it Ruby could be on board.. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 27, 2009, 05:02:39 PM
Fairyland gets up. Nice work hope you lads had a bit of this.  ;)  ;D

Word of strong is Loyal Royal 5/1, don't go mad but if you back each way, stake should be safe ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 28, 2009, 10:54:23 AM
Saturdays fancies:

1.45 Kempton - Persian Storm
3.25 Doncaster - Apollo Creed
3.45 Newbury - Secret Tune
4.55 Newbury - Bellvano 
5.05 Kempton - Divine Intavention
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 03, 2009, 10:31:19 PM
e/w chelts accumultaor Osana 10/1, Ebadiyan 10/1, I'msingintheblues 7/1, Dunguib 6/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 06, 2009, 02:36:33 PM
FRI 6 MARCH

Gonna have a go at these:

3.05 Come out firing
3.40 Rydal Park
4.50 Sea Cadet
5.25 Man from Highworth


good luck if you have a go
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 07, 2009, 03:53:15 PM
Going to have to stick with an old fave in the 4.20: DEEP PURPLE... 7/4 shot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 07, 2009, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 07, 2009, 03:53:15 PM
Going to have to stick with an old fave in the 4.20: DEEP PURPLE... 7/4 shot

Beat in the last furlong by the master, AP on Song of Songs, his third today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 09, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
well lads, cheltenham is almost upon us

any fancies flying around?

Planet of Sound in the arkle tomorrow and Cappa Bleu foxhunters chase on friday for me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 09, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
well lads, cheltenham is almost upon us

any fancies flying around?

Planet of Sound in the arkle tomorrow and Cappa Bleu foxhunters chase on friday for me

There is a dedicated Cheltenham thread.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 10, 2009, 04:09:34 PM
is that the comp?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 10, 2009, 04:09:34 PM
is that the comp?

No, funnily enough it is the one titled 'Cheltenham' that has been at the top of the page most of the day

:-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 10, 2009, 04:16:27 PM
lose the sarcasm arse, missed it ok. or is making simple mistakes unforgiveable around here?  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 10, 2009, 04:16:27 PM
lose the sarcasm arse, missed it ok. or is making simple mistakes unforgiveable around here?  ::)

Arse??  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maroon Heaven on March 11, 2009, 03:07:38 PM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on November 20, 2008, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on November 20, 2008, 12:32:21 PM
Alot of people talking up cooldine which is running shortly in Thurles...

One of the early Irish Fancies for C'ham....

Hope it runs well here..

Cooldine - Led from half way out and had no problems... Was 4 lengths ahead throughout and looked lonely if anything... Jumped Well and had aload left in the tank....

Looking good for Cheltenham - Into 15's on Betfair from 22's and second fav behind Aran Concerto for Sun Alliance

Happy days - had some of the 15's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 12, 2009, 10:42:59 PM
had good word for on raglan road, cappa bleu and little shilling tomorrow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 14, 2009, 05:40:44 PM
See Mickey Lindens fave horse Joncol won there today, very short price though.

Hope Mickeys head wasn't too sore after yesterdays shenanigans to back it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on March 19, 2009, 11:57:28 AM
Heard a whisper for Schofield 3.30 Clonmel. Apparently it has been laid out for a gamble today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
Been told bet of the day will be Archimboldo e/w 3.05 at Ludlow! 8/1
Also, American Star at Clonmel 5.05 3/1.

Good each way double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 22, 2009, 01:52:18 PM
You know how people say here "this is not a tip, but ..."? Well feckit, this IS a tip - owner Connell says Rock And Roll Kid will win the Lincoln today. Mullins has laid him out for his. 7 pound claimer aboard.

Usual caveats apply - owners can be wrong, trainers can be wrong, sure things can be beaten.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 22, 2009, 04:20:31 PM
4th. There's a down side to 7 pound claimers too. Bad ride.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on March 26, 2009, 08:17:48 AM
Anyone do a quick calculation for me. 

3 x £2.50 doubles
1 x £2.50 treble

I took early prices....5/2, 2/1, 9/4.

Collected it yesterday, took the money away I went.  Checked later how much I received at it seemed abit low.  There possibly could have been a rule 4 somehwere I'm not sure......maybe Niall you could fill me in..?

5/2 - 3.00 race
2/1 - 4.40 race
9/4 - 4.50 race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on March 26, 2009, 08:21:11 AM
Should have got around £165
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on March 26, 2009, 08:52:43 AM
Thats what i counted it at in my head but I only got £110 / £111
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: kumquat on March 26, 2009, 09:13:56 AM
£160
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 26, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
Anyone any thoughts on the Grand National yet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 26, 2009, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on March 26, 2009, 08:17:48 AM
Anyone do a quick calculation for me. 

3 x £2.50 doubles
1 x £2.50 treble

I took early prices....5/2, 2/1, 9/4.

Collected it yesterday, took the money away I went.  Checked later how much I received at it seemed abit low.  There possibly could have been a rule 4 somehwere I'm not sure......maybe Niall you could fill me in..?

5/2 - 3.00 race
2/1 - 4.40 race
9/4 - 4.50 race

I am actually off work today, so only seeing this now... I will look into it here
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on March 26, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Total amount you should have got £164.38

3 Doubles £2.50:
5/2 & 2/1   £26.25
5/2 & 9/4   £28.44
2/1 & 9/4   £24.38

1 Treble £2.50:
5/2 & 2/1 & 9/4   £85.31
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 26, 2009, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on March 26, 2009, 08:17:48 AM
Anyone do a quick calculation for me. 

3 x £2.50 doubles
1 x £2.50 treble

I took early prices....5/2, 2/1, 9/4.

Collected it yesterday, took the money away I went.  Checked later how much I received at it seemed abit low.  There possibly could have been a rule 4 somehwere I'm not sure......maybe Niall you could fill me in..?

5/2 - 3.00 race
2/1 - 4.40 race
9/4 - 4.50 race

Right... First things first, its Nail and not Niall!!

But thats besides the point, you should have got exactly 164.38 for that bet at those prices you took...

But yesterday there were a LOAD of non runners, and some bookies may have done a rule four on all early prices...

For instance, in the 3.00 Schindlers Son was taken out, and I don't think it was taken out til the afternoon as I write all the non runners out in the morning and cant remember it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 26, 2009, 12:44:26 PM
I have worked it out, the amount you got is the amount you would have got if you didnt take prices and paid out on the sp's of:

11/4, 1/1 and 7/4

So the most likely outcome is the silly cashier who edited your bet (input your selections into whatever system the bookies are using) has just put the horses in adn not put the early prices down beside them...

The sp's would pay 109.84

Go back in and ask could they have a look at your bet and say that you took the early morning prices and get your difference, I don't think there will be a rule four for that non runner I was just clutching at straws...

Happens quite regularly, people edit bets for the wrong seections, put in the wrong prces etc, miss out prices... Just go in and explain this to them...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 26, 2009, 12:45:04 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 26, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
Anyone any thoughts on the Grand National yet?

Two words Mick...

Black. Appalachi.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on March 26, 2009, 03:13:49 PM
Went in at lunch time there, went back to the lady who i placed the bet with who is also the same girl i collected the bet from.  When I placed the bet yesterday I handed over a £20 note and got no change and argued a little while til she gave me my change...........so I didnt fancy my chances today........

.....she just said nothing she could do now and that I should have checked it yesterday....

couldn't be bothered argyuing with her today again.  she is quite hot though...

PS Sorry NAIL for the mistaken name!  Never actually noticed til you pointed it out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 26, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
Did Black Apalachi fall at the first last year Nial? Has the weights been announced? i always pick something int he low weights.

When will the riders be confirmed?

i like Southern Vic myself particularly if Ruby rides
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on March 26, 2009, 08:50:52 PM
Hardy, is there any chance you'll do your review for the national again this year?  It's been very kind to the punters in the past.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 26, 2009, 09:03:06 PM
Keep an eye on Himalayan Trail in the National.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 26, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: Mac hinery on March 26, 2009, 08:50:52 PM
Hardy, is there any chance you'll do your review for the national again this year?  It's been very kind to the punters in the past.

I'll be doing it for myself anyway, so I'll stick it up here. It'll be after 1st April - final declarations date (and feast day of fools).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 27, 2009, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: girt_giggler on March 26, 2009, 03:13:49 PM
Went in at lunch time there, went back to the lady who i placed the bet with who is also the same girl i collected the bet from.  When I placed the bet yesterday I handed over a £20 note and got no change and argued a little while til she gave me my change...........so I didnt fancy my chances today........

.....she just said nothing she could do now and that I should have checked it yesterday....

couldn't be bothered argyuing with her today again.  she is quite hot though...

PS Sorry NAIL for the mistaken name!  Never actually noticed til you pointed it out.

That is f**king bullshit... Nothing she could do?? You are owed money and you should get it... Go back in and ask to speak to the manager or ring up head office, I dunno whether its due to the hangover I have got or what but I am really pissed off at this!! Tell them they made a f**king mistake and to give you the money!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 27, 2009, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 26, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
Did Black Apalachi fall at the first last year Nial? Has the weights been announced? i always pick something int he low weights.

When will the riders be confirmed?

i like Southern Vic myself particularly if Ruby rides

Here is the weights here, they will prob be re jigged when more horses are pulled out...

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/racing.sd?race_id=473559&amp;r_date=2009-04-04

Yeah B.A. fell last year... But produced a great round of jumping at Aintree over the national fences there in November..

Riders probably confirmed next week I would say... AP has the pick of about four I think, all JP McManus' horses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 27, 2009, 10:26:31 AM
DOnt suppose u can copy and paste the list of weights niall? Cant access the link in work.

Cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 27, 2009, 11:10:38 AM
1 7PP Snoopy Loopy 22 11 11-10 P Bowen 0 DOUBTFUL 161 165 173

2 1P0 Nozic 42 8 11-8 P F Nicholls 0 159 102 171

3 31F Cloudy Lane 35 9 11-7 D McCain Jnr 0 158 92 172

4 7-4 Afistfullofdollars 48 11 11-6 Noel Meade 0 157 83 147

5 132 War Of Attrition 97 10 11-6 M F Morris 0 157 164 168

6 234 Chelsea Harbour 21 9 11-5 Thomas Mullins 0 156 138 171

7 6F2 Snowy Morning 42 9 11-5 W P Mullins 0 156 176 176

8 180 Knowhere 22 11 11-4 N A Twiston-Davies 0 155 134 170

9 3P6 Roll Along 22 9 11-4 Carl Llewellyn 0 155 164 175

10 P07 Comply Or Die 25 10 11-3 D E Pipe 0 154 168 169

11 558 Ollie Magern 25 11 11-3 N A Twiston-Davies 0 154 127 169

12 04P Stan 23 10 11-3 Miss Venetia Williams 0 154 152 169

13 151 Black Apalachi 42 10 11-2 D T Hughes 0 153 150 176

14 56U Hear The Echo 49 8 11-2 M F Morris 0 153 - -

15 F19 Preists Leap 21 9 11-2 Thomas Gerard O´Leary 0 153 137 170

16 2-7 King Johns Castle 21 10 11-1 A L T Moore 0 DOUBTFUL 152 169 170

17 /55 My Will 22 9 11-1 P F Nicholls 0 152 167 179

18 1P/ Eurotrek 721 13 11-0 P F Nicholls 0 151 - -

19 -14 State Of Play 99 9 10-13 Evan Williams 0 150 145 168

20 U13 Big Fella Thanks 42 7 10-12 P F Nicholls 0 149 129 172

21 278 Mon Mome 21 9 10-11 Miss Venetia Williams 0 148 155 172

22 1/9 Silver Birch 20 12 10-11 Gordon Elliott 0 148 - -

23 085 Butler´s Cabin 23 9 10-10 Jonjo O´Neill 0 147 126 154

25 2-2 Offshore Account 20 9 10-10 C F Swan 0 147 - -

26 -1P Parsons Legacy 113 11 10-9 P J Hobbs 0 146 140 172

27 /P0 Reveillez 25 10 10-9 Jonjo O´Neill 0 146 100 143

28 P6P Fundamentalist 25 11 10-8 N A Twiston-Davies 0 145 131 163

29 3-0 Golden Flight 25 10 10-8 N J Henderson 0 145 94 138

30 212 L´Ami 25 10 10-8 E Bolger 0 145 139 174

31 45P Battlecry 42 8 10-7 N A Twiston-Davies 0 144 151 175

32 128 Cornish Sett 49 10 10-7 P F Nicholls 0 144 166 171

33 610 Fleet Street 42 10 10-7 N J Henderson 0 144 148 168

34 187 Musica Bella 34 9 10-7 F-M Cottin 0 144 - -

35 314 Can´t Buy Time 24 7 10-6 Jonjo O´Neill 0 143 155 168

36 3P1 Darkness 35 10 10-6 C R Egerton 0 143 172 178

37 111 Irish Invader 37 8 10-6 W P Mullins 0 143 160 171

38 511 Rambling Minster 49 11 10-6 K G Reveley 0 143 149 177

39 343 Southern Vic 21 10 10-6 T M Walsh 0 143 157 179

40 PPP Always Waining 21 8 10-5 P Bowen 0 142 172 173

41 /PP Hot Weld 25 10 10-4 Ferdy Murphy 0 141 - -

42 112 Kilbeggan Blade 27 10 10-4 T R George 0 141 148 168

43 921 Brooklyn Brownie 21 10 10-3 J M Jefferson 0 140 165 168

44 391 Character Building 23 9 10-3 J J Quinn 0 140 151 175

45 762 Conna Castle 15 10 10-3 James Joseph Mangan 0 140 170 170

46 4P0 Himalayan Trail 41 10 10-3 James Joseph Mangan 0 140 77 89

47 435 Tumbling Dice 15 10 10-3 T J Taaffe 0 140 144 168

48 7-0 Arteea 23 10 10-2 D E Pipe 0 139 97 122

49 P-0 Cerium 22 8 10-2 Paul Murphy 0 139 148 154

50 473 Idle Talk 35 10 10-2 D McCain Jnr 0 139 149 169

51 P70 Kelami 14 11 10-2 Mrs L Williamson 0 139 - -

52 P5/ Zabenz 707 12 10-2 Philip Hobbs 0 139 - -

53 PPP Ice Tea 14 9 10-1 D McCain Jnr 0 138 150 171

54 -72 Maljimar 25 9 10-1 Nick Williams 0 138 164 176

55 113 Companero 63 9 10-0 J Howard Johnson 0 137 110 169

57 0PP Mattock Ranger 34 9 10-0 Noel Meade 0 137 - 81

58 148 Niche Market 24 8 10-0 R H Buckler 0 137 115 167

59 344 Pomme Tiepy 45 6 10-0 W P Mullins 0 137 159 159

60 6-6 Bagan 14 10 9-13 M Todhunter 0 136 160 160

61 PFP Beat The Boys 21 8 9-13 N A Twiston-Davies 0 136 146 168

62 86F Bible Lord 23 8 9-13 Andrew Turnell 0 136 166 172

63 915 Dix Villez 25 10 9-13 Paul Nolan 0 136 159 164

64 -52 Flintoff 21 8 9-13 Miss Venetia Williams 0 136 173 173

65 08F Patsy Hall 25 9 9-13 A J Martin 0 136 115 167

66 P-P In The Loop 18 11 9-12 R T J Wilson 0 135 - -

67 59P King Harald 14 11 9-12 M Bradstock 0 135 147 168

68 374 Nadover 49 8 9-12 C J Mann 0 135 146 171

69 F8- Pak Jack 343 9 9-12 R T Phillips 0 135 124 162

70 101 Seymour Weld 231 9 9-12 C T Pogson 0 135 158 172

71 P43 Nine De Sivola 24 8 9-11 Ferdy Murphy 0 134 159 165

72 -P5 Tom Sayers 14 11 9-11 P J Hobbs 0 134 111 156

73 238 Oodachee 23 10 9-9 C F Swan 0 132 159 161

74 6/4 Kings Advocate 69 9 9-8 T J Taaffe 0 131 99 161

75 0P0 Dun Doire 41 10 9-7 A J Martin 0 130 - -

76 4F0 Le Toscan 23 9 9-7 D E Pipe 0 130 154 162

77 541 Out The Black 35 11 9-7 P J Hobbs 0 130 160 165

78 03P Puntal 25 13 9-7 D E Pipe 0 130 146 145

79 -9P Without A Doubt 23 10 9-7 Carl Llewellyn 0 130 124 160

80 -0P You´re Special 29 12 9-6 Ferdy Murphy 0 DOUBTFUL 129 - 66

81 26U Alexanderthegreat 23 11 9-5 Miss Venetia Williams 0 128 142 160

82 -P0 Milan Deux Mille 33 7 9-5 D E Pipe 0 128 - -

83 23P Sandhurst 32 9 9-2 Edgar Byrne 0 125 136 151

84 42P Lord Killeshanra 50 10 9-1 C L Tizzard 0 124 96 150

85 U63 Lysander 32 10 9-1 Ian Williams 0 124 148 159

86 40P Malko De Beaumont 51 9 9-1 A D Brown 0 124 117 155

87 7FP Pass Me By 25 10 8-13 Miss Suzy Smith 0 122 154 170

88 7PP Mont Misere 99 13 8-12 Paul Murphy 0 121 - -
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on March 27, 2009, 11:22:25 AM
Lookin like Snoopy Loopy won't be running Nail?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on March 27, 2009, 06:38:11 PM
Got a tip for jealous guy 8.30 dundalk tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 27, 2009, 07:00:26 PM
Got a tip for Lord Multifix on sunday...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 27, 2009, 10:26:12 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 27, 2009, 06:38:11 PM
Got a tip for jealous guy 8.30 dundalk tonight

unlucky poor run, maybe a problem somewhere, came last
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 28, 2009, 04:22:21 AM
What do yous make of SWOP in the 3.55 today at Doncaster??
Also any other fancies for the day?? :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on April 01, 2009, 05:49:49 PM
Got a call there for Leap Of Faith in the 6.35 at gowran park. I know nothing about the animal but yer man got it from his boss who owns a few horses etc etc.
Its gone 50s in to 20 with PP but you can still get it at 40s with VC
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 02, 2009, 01:00:14 PM
Anywhere to watch Aintree online??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 02, 2009, 01:47:52 PM
Ask and you shall recieve.... http://www.justin.tv/dragonboat1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on April 02, 2009, 02:01:37 PM
What are the tips?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 02, 2009, 02:10:07 PM
Thanks Homer, had to make do with text commentary for the first, thanks to a hovering boss!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 02, 2009, 02:17:48 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on April 02, 2009, 01:00:14 PM
Anywhere to watch Aintree online??

Betfair live video - but you have to have a bet on the race to access it. Also seems only to work on Internet Explorer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tiberius on April 02, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/7833395.stm

Also available on bbc sport
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 02, 2009, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 02, 2009, 02:17:48 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on April 02, 2009, 01:00:14 PM
Anywhere to watch Aintree online??

Betfair live video - but you have to have a bet on the race to access it. Also seems only to work on Internet Explorer.

If you don't fancy having a bet in a certain race but you wish to watch it on Betfair just back a horse and then lay it for the same stake. It will usually end up costing you a few cent to do this but it's a cheap way of watching races.

Also anyone using Firefox can install the User Agent Switcher plugin. Then when you wish to watch Betfair video just go to Tools --> User Agent Switcher --> Internet Explorer and the video should play fine.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 02, 2009, 02:35:56 PM
C'mon Hebridean!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: C_Berg_316 on April 02, 2009, 02:54:27 PM
not a bad start

5 e-w accum on Big Bucks/Starluck

Going for Denman - 10 e-w for the 3.10

and for the craic 2.50 e-w accum for the rest of the day on:

3.45 - Agus a Vic

4.20 - Leslintaylor

4.55 - Chapoturgeon

5.30 - Eleazar
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 02, 2009, 03:38:16 PM
no offence but why would anyone back e/w on an even money shot????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 02, 2009, 04:25:29 PM
Oh Crick saves the day!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on April 02, 2009, 04:32:19 PM
Exotic dancer took a heart attack after the race and had to be put down...RIP saan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 02, 2009, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 02, 2009, 04:32:19 PM
Exotic dancer took a heart attack after the race and had to be put down...RIP saan

Aw no, love that horse :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 07, 2009, 11:10:46 AM
Took a couple of hefty bets there in both shops in Lurgan for:

Catherines Verse in the 3.20, it was 3/1

Keep an eye out for it...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on April 13, 2009, 11:02:23 AM
Any fancies for today?   Will probably back Powerstation in 3.10 fairyhouse...run a good race behind big bucks & punchestowns in world hurdle. Maybe Aitmatov for the forecast
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 13, 2009, 01:16:00 PM
Notre Pere as expected is out of the national, this means that all the weights have gone up by 7 lbs, make sure to look at the long handicap for those horse who were previously out of the weights, but now brought in.

eg. Newbay Prop was to race off 9-10 (which is minimum racing weight) whereas in the long handicap he was only 9-8. With the addition of 7lbs onto the 9-8 he now races off 10-1.

Or just stick a pin in it  :D

Both Boyles and PP are going first five a place and gtd odds

Full card, with the long handicap at the bottom
http://www.irishracing.com/cards/v5card088200904131555.htm

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on April 13, 2009, 02:40:16 PM
QuoteOr just stick a pin in it  Cheesy

Thats more like it !!! lol

Hate nationals....lotto they are

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 13, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
Arbor Supreme for me with a small e.w. on Niche Market.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on April 13, 2009, 03:16:11 PM
powerstation 3rd...went through last 2 fences when coming to challenge for lead
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on April 13, 2009, 04:28:19 PM
5/05 Fairyhouse....Fella said to me about a horse called Ross Accord (around 4s). Came from course apparantly

Got Aran Concerto rang thru to him  yesterday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 13, 2009, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 13, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
Arbor Supreme for me with a small e.w. on Niche Market.

Fair play to you, I had church island on the short list but didn't go with him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 13, 2009, 05:20:05 PM
Happy with that. Got him at 60 on Betfair and 10 for the place. Largely down to bcarrier's stats - thanks BC.  Church Island ran a hell of a race OK.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 13, 2009, 06:11:08 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu08 on April 13, 2009, 04:28:19 PM
5/05 Fairyhouse....Fella said to me about a horse called Ross Accord (around 4s). Came from course apparantly

Got Aran Concerto rang thru to him  yesterday

He got a word for Aran Concerto?  ::) Just as well as it is such a low profile horse you wouldnt back it otherwise.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 13, 2009, 10:14:54 PM
Sad to hear that Wichita Lineman suffered a fatal fall at the first. Terrible fortnight for Johnjo O'Neill.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 14, 2009, 11:58:30 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 13, 2009, 10:14:54 PM
Sad to hear that Wichita Lineman suffered a fatal fall at the first. Terrible fortnight for Johnjo O'Neill.

Drumconvis also...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Katchit on April 14, 2009, 12:09:56 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 13, 2009, 10:14:54 PM
Sad to hear that Wichita Lineman suffered a fatal fall at the first. Terrible fortnight for Johnjo O'Neill.

Jez never heard that, always remember that ride by McCoy at Cheltenham on Lineman.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 14, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
Was up at Fairyhouse yesterday,seen the Drumconvis fall,missed Wichita Lineman Did they both have to be put down?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 14, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 14, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
Was up at Fairyhouse yesterday,seen the Drumconvis fall,missed Wichita Lineman Did they both have to be put down?

Unfortunately so. A very bad couple of weeks for Jonjo O'Neill.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 14, 2009, 03:27:27 PM
Quote from: Homer on April 14, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 14, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
Was up at Fairyhouse yesterday,seen the Drumconvis fall,missed Wichita Lineman Did they both have to be put down?

Unfortunately so. A very bad couple of weeks for Jonjo O'Neill.

Terrible for AJ Martin as well, he was completely gutted about the death of Clarified in Cheltenham, he thought that horse would go on to be the greatest that he trained, he was still mentioning him yesterday morning and kept going on about hoping that all three came home safe. Drumconvis was another talented young horse who had much promise. I've a lot of time for Tony myself and a big blow to the yard to lose two good horses like that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 14, 2009, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Homer on April 14, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 14, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
Was up at Fairyhouse yesterday,seen the Drumconvis fall,missed Wichita Lineman Did they both have to be put down?

Unfortunately so. A very bad couple of weeks for Jonjo O'Neill.
That is unreal,its only the more I watch racing the more that I appreciate good horses.I still havent got over Exotic Dancer.Like what a horse.He never knew when he was bet and always gave it his all.Im sure he's seen it all before but it must be serious tough on John Joe O Neill to lose his 2 stable stars in 2 weeks.
Changed my mind at the last minute from Fisher Bridge to Carthalawn.20-1 feck sake :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 14, 2009, 07:04:30 PM
One for all us Down men today:

4:35 | 13 Mourne Rambler (R C Colgan, 8-1 joint-2nd-fav)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on April 14, 2009, 08:26:33 PM
Great stuff alright.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 14, 2009, 10:20:35 PM
Bad day today.  Raging I missed Fisher Bridge!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on April 14, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
I'd f**king stop cancer at the minute...Done a horse in the Irish national, fecker fell at the 1st fence and died. Done a horse today and it fell on hurdles...yes f**king hurdles...and don't even start me on the football :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Diet Coke on April 15, 2009, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: illdecide on April 14, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
I'd f**king stop cancer at the minute...Done a horse in the Irish national, fecker fell at the 1st fence and died. Done a horse today and it fell on hurdles...yes f**king hurdles...and don't even start me on the football :'( :'(

Give up your oul sins!! ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on April 15, 2009, 10:17:01 AM
Had myself Niche Market in the National on monday, delighted.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 15, 2009, 12:22:55 PM
Each way word for Tony Martins Meadows Thyne 400 Fairyhouse today. Horse has been disappointing last few runs but stable back in form and has slipped to a low enough mark.About 6-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on April 15, 2009, 12:34:33 PM
tony martin my balls, he hardly ever gets winners for the amount of 'tips' u hear for his horses

ive £20 here and need to get it up to £100 before the banks close today to pay my phone bill tomoro!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 15, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
The only reason Im backing it is because I backed it twice and its lost and Id be sick if it won and I didnt do it. Tony Martins your man ;D ;D
Put your 20 on Jaamid at Fairyhouse,then winnings on Dancer in Demand 820 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on April 15, 2009, 04:38:10 PM
Meadows Thyne didnt finsh anywhere in the race,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 16, 2009, 10:23:25 AM
4.55 Vhujon 1 pt ew
5.20 Nawaadi 1 pt ew
5.30 Argentine 0.50 ew
6.15 Harbour Blues 0.50 ew

there's profit to be had here fellas
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 16, 2009, 10:34:30 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 16, 2009, 10:23:25 AM
4.55 Vhujon 1 pt ew
5.20 Nawaadi 1 pt ew
5.30 Argentine 0.50 ew
6.15 Harbour Blues 0.50 ew

there's profit to be had here fellas

Exactly Sammy, its pin pointing exactly where though!!!

Punter the other day in our place, normally does £10ew doubles or trebles... But on Tuesday he took a £5er quad as the prices weren't great he thought, about 3/1 the four of them... Well we guarantee prices anyway and the first three won at 7/1, 9/2 and 7/2 I think... The ew treble would have got him over £1200, obviously the fourth selection came nowhere, getting him a return of £0. He was sick!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 16, 2009, 10:43:02 AM
bookies always seems to come out on top, bloody awful when that happens

I had a lovely each way treble yesterday myself actually and guess what, 1 winner 11/4, 1 third @ 7/1 and the other.... 6th at 6/1 if the place had have come in I'd have had over a £100 of my £20. real f**king pain cos I never done the sginles either and the winner would have covered the bet practically if I had...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 16, 2009, 10:44:57 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 16, 2009, 10:43:02 AM
bookies always seems to come out on top, bloody awful when that happens

I had a lovely each way treble yesterday myself actually and guess what, 1 winner 11/4, 1 third @ 7/1 and the other.... 6th at 6/1 if the place had have come in I'd have had over a £100 of my £20. real f**king pain cos I never done the sginles either and the winner would have covered the bet practically if I had...

Not 100% true, with a big bet like that most bookies lay the bet off, I know I had the bet covered elsewhere so my boss would actually want the bet to come up as he would get the winnings to cover it plus a good bit of publicity... Though when it lost he was down his own stake money covering the last double, a few hundred quid.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 16, 2009, 10:57:17 AM
thats nice to hear....  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 16, 2009, 03:36:41 PM
Bored silly over Easter holidays. Does any one know where I could find re-runs of this year's Cheltenham. Particularly want to see the Champion chase and world hurdle as I missed them and the champion hurdle so I can relive my 22/1 winner! Can't find them on youtube though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 16, 2009, 04:49:17 PM
register here for nothing and you should get to see all you need

http://www.racinguk.com/page/Home/0,,12542,00.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on April 21, 2009, 06:02:28 AM
Any tips lad???????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 21, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
MORESCO 3.20 KEMP
WINTERCAST 4.20 KEMP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on April 21, 2009, 07:24:47 PM
Miss pross now in the 7.30 at towchester 5/1 just got word
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 21, 2009, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: Family guy on April 21, 2009, 07:24:47 PM
Miss pross now in the 7.30 at towchester 5/1 just got word

Good shout FG, didn't do it myself but told a couple punters here and they backed it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on April 21, 2009, 08:08:13 PM
Hope some of the board members got that sori was a bit late
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 21, 2009, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Family guy on April 21, 2009, 08:08:13 PM
Hope some of the board members got that sori was a bit late

No need to be sorry sure your only as good as the info you get, and some ppl like to wait til the last minute!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mrsandman on April 22, 2009, 10:31:07 AM
Any tips for today lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 22, 2009, 02:01:37 PM
4.15 Lake Poet e/w
4.40 Trip The Light WIN
5.25 Evening Sunset e/w
5.35 Kidithou e/w

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 22, 2009, 02:17:15 PM
Lake poet in the 4th race at epsom!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on April 22, 2009, 02:42:22 PM
le vert galant 13-2 perth
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 22, 2009, 04:49:57 PM
nice bit of profit so far on those, hopefully some of you lads followed and there could be more to be had with these next two  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on April 22, 2009, 04:51:01 PM
I didn't wanna spoil ye by saying you were doin well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on April 22, 2009, 05:09:06 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 22, 2009, 04:49:57 PM
nice bit of profit so far on those, hopefully some of you lads followed and there could be more to be had with these next two  ;D

Yea nearly got my money back you lost me yesterday  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 22, 2009, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: new devil on April 22, 2009, 05:09:06 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 22, 2009, 04:49:57 PM
nice bit of profit so far on those, hopefully some of you lads followed and there could be more to be had with these next two  ;D

Yea nearly got my money back you lost me yesterday  ;D

1 lost, 1 placed yest (8/1), you couldn't been down that much on even stakes fella  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 22, 2009, 05:40:59 PM
sorry about the latter two if you followed, poor runs from both
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 23, 2009, 01:12:43 PM
2.30 Antigua Sunrise e/w
3.00 Thunderball win
4.50 Noble Action win
7.50 Miss Cameo e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 23, 2009, 02:36:48 PM
Inner Voice 3.20...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 23, 2009, 02:56:06 PM
MaClean 3.50. Got at 5/1 at lunch. Cert each way!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 23, 2009, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on April 23, 2009, 02:36:48 PM
Inner Voice 3.20...

That horse is death./
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on April 23, 2009, 03:29:13 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on April 23, 2009, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on April 23, 2009, 02:36:48 PM
Inner Voice 3.20...

That horse is death./

:D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on April 23, 2009, 03:31:01 PM
Didnt see the race, what happened?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 23, 2009, 03:32:06 PM
Quote from: full back on April 23, 2009, 03:31:01 PM
Didnt see the race, what happened?

It is shite, thats what happened

James f**king Lambe, what a f**king clueless idiot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on April 23, 2009, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 23, 2009, 02:56:06 PM
MaClean 3.50. Got at 5/1 at lunch. Cert each way!

I've taken your advice Mickey. Have the bet done. It better at least get placed or I'll be McClean rippin'!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 23, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
Apologies lads! Horse was nowhere tho I didnt see it. Anyone see the race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on April 23, 2009, 04:01:30 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 23, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
Apologies lads! Horse was nowhere tho I didnt see it. Anyone see the race?

McClean rippin  :D

Watched it online so was slightly blurry.  He stayed up rightly was about 3rd going over last, faded after that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 24, 2009, 10:20:26 AM
I'm having a go at these in an each way treble today

3.20 PERTH Ifandbutwhy e/w
5.10 CHEPSTOW Adroit Approach e/w
6.50 CHESPTOW Pugilist (strongest) e/w


£6.25 each way returns £1,015.30 IF all 3 win...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on April 24, 2009, 10:57:57 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 24, 2009, 10:20:26 AM
I'm having a go at these in an each way treble today

3.20 PERTH Ifandbutwhy e/w
5.10 CHEPSTOW Adroit Approach e/w
6.50 CHESPTOW Pugilist (strongest) e/w


£6.25 each way returns £1,015.30 IF all 3 win...


i may try that myself just for an interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 24, 2009, 01:20:07 PM
2 for Dundalk this evening

First is my own personal fancy - 8.30 - LIME TREE VALLEY

and second is a 'whisper' for one - 9.00 - SHAIMAA
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 24, 2009, 04:03:41 PM
Ifbutandwhy must have grown an extra head on its arse, drifted like a b1tch

i'm lying low for a while...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on April 24, 2009, 04:18:09 PM
You better.  Because if I ever find you...

(http://www.bluetreeservices.co.uk/test2/driverShakingFist.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on April 24, 2009, 04:27:07 PM
I stopped following your tips 3 weeks ago when the bailiffs towed away the car and the house was repossessed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on April 24, 2009, 08:57:16 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on April 24, 2009, 01:20:07 PM
2 for Dundalk this evening

First is my own personal fancy - 8.30 - LIME TREE VALLEY

and second is a 'whisper' for one - 9.00 - SHAIMAA


Cheers had 200 on that 1st one at 4/1 nice wee return :D
Takn a wee flutter on the nxt nothing big tho
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on April 24, 2009, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on April 24, 2009, 01:20:07 PM
2 for Dundalk this evening

First is my own personal fancy - 8.30 - LIME TREE VALLEY

and second is a 'whisper' for one - 9.00 - SHAIMAA

Thank lad,had 100 on the 2nd as well,hopefuli i can return the favour some day,already 1 for 1 in my postings wont post unless im sure
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 24, 2009, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on April 24, 2009, 01:20:07 PM
2 for Dundalk this evening

First is my own personal fancy - 8.30 - LIME TREE VALLEY

and second is a 'whisper' for one - 9.00 - SHAIMAA

Good man Girt. Did a little double. Happy f**king days!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on April 24, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on April 24, 2009, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on April 24, 2009, 01:20:07 PM
2 for Dundalk this evening

First is my own personal fancy - 8.30 - LIME TREE VALLEY

and second is a 'whisper' for one - 9.00 - SHAIMAA

Good man Girt. Did a little double. Happy f**king days!


Great work girt i did a small double on it and got €215 back.  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on April 25, 2009, 08:00:09 AM
I had a go at them as well. Cheers girt!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 25, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Always click on to this page too late :'( :'( :'(
Thats some double Girt,well done,great tipping.
Everybodys talking about Oodachee in the Gold Cup. Alot of good horses at short prices today-surely they all cant win.Kalahari King,American Trilogy,Paco Boy,Tartan Bearer.
If the same Paco Boy that ran so well last year turns up today, he will win.6-4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 27, 2009, 08:20:23 AM
No problem chaps, hope all who got on spread the word also!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on April 27, 2009, 09:44:39 PM
Anybody with any decent tips for punchestown?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 28, 2009, 11:25:51 AM
Any tips for Punchestown Lads? I fancy Joncol today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 29, 2009, 03:04:26 PM
Don't really want to tarnish my reputation  ;) after the 2 horses I gave out last week but if any of you fancy splashing some of your winnings then i've had a word for PERFECT STRIDE in the 3.20 Ascot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 29, 2009, 03:27:32 PM
beat in a photo!  >:(

commentator called Perfect Stride the winner too which made it all the harder to accept!

sorry if anyone listened to me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on April 29, 2009, 03:28:24 PM
Unlucky GG
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on April 29, 2009, 03:37:01 PM
You are only as good as your last race GG!!   :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on April 29, 2009, 03:45:11 PM
exactly....a LOSER!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Seamus on May 02, 2009, 01:18:31 PM
Friesan Fire for The Kentucky Derby, got him at 12/1 a few weeks back now 9/2. May end up fav before the off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tommy Tibbs on May 02, 2009, 01:45:57 PM
Backstage punchestown 2.20 each way value at 20's.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: milltown row on May 02, 2009, 03:26:49 PM
off to Down Royal on Monday, where can i get an early look and the Racecard for Down Royal
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on May 02, 2009, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: milltown row on May 02, 2009, 03:26:49 PM
off to Down Royal on Monday, where can i get an early look and the Racecard for Down Royal

http://www.racingpost.co.uk/c4/cards.sd?r_date=2009-5-4&crs=DRO&flag=2&cards=1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 02, 2009, 11:32:35 PM
50 to 1 Mine That Bird wins the Kentucky Derby  :o :o

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 02, 2009, 11:36:44 PM
Can you fecking beleive it!! >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 02, 2009, 11:37:52 PM
Jockey is enjoying it :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 02, 2009, 11:38:40 PM
Was going to put a bet on but Paddypower.com had no form or info about the runners - thank f**k!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 02, 2009, 11:46:13 PM
I can't wait to see the superfecta payout has to be about 100,000.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 02, 2009, 11:49:31 PM
I had a trifecta done yesterday with this mornings scratch on it? What happens ,is it money back?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 02, 2009, 11:54:29 PM
Carmen you will get your money back


$2 bet on these you get

win 103

exacta 2074

trifecta 44,000

superfecta 540,000+

nice payouts, none for me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 02, 2009, 11:57:37 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on May 02, 2009, 11:54:29 PM
Carmen you will get your money back

$2 bet on these you get

win 103

exacta 2074

trifecta 44,000

superfecta 540,000+

nice payouts, none for me


Not it all  >:( :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 03, 2009, 12:02:48 AM
The owner paid 9,500 for the winner compared to some of these other horse that cost up to 2 or 3 million.

The trainer has a broken ankle and drove his own pickup truck with the horse trailer 21 hours to get to the race.

Its nice to see the little guy stand up to the big horse corporations and take them down, this will be a movie.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tyrones own on May 03, 2009, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on May 03, 2009, 12:02:48 AM
The owner paid 9,500 for the winner compared to some of these other horse that cost up to 2 or 3 million.

The trainer has a broken ankle and drove his own pickup truck with the horse trailer 21 hours to get to the race.

Its nice to see the little guy stand up to the big horse corporations and take them down, this will be a movie.



He was fair abrupt in the interview afterwards, thought it a bit smug at the time but on second thoughts, fair play to him
coming from nothing and out of nowhere to win it like that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: milltown row on May 04, 2009, 10:54:22 PM
at Down Royal today, great days craic no winners, plenty of gaels there today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 05, 2009, 06:12:27 PM
I really really don't like flat racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: milltown row on May 05, 2009, 09:33:37 PM
Nail did you watch the race at Down Royal when Persian Gift (i think) held on to beat Clarkey by a nose? everyone in the stand and at the post thought Clarkey won. 

we all had a few quid on him at 4/1!!! but sure plenty at the meeting considering the weather
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on May 06, 2009, 01:20:48 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 05, 2009, 11:30:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 05, 2009, 06:12:27 PM
I really really don't like flat racing.
Shite.

totally shite
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on May 06, 2009, 10:14:13 AM
national hunt would no doubt be my preference but i have to say flat racing isnt bad.

It has a more upper class clientele agreed but you have to admire some of its stalwarts like aidan o brien,john oxx,bolger,godolphin,gosden and jockies like frankie,murtagh,manning,kinnane,spencer.

in my eyes great sportsmen and its a level of horseracing that the irish are more or less number one at.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 06, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: milltown row on May 05, 2009, 09:33:37 PM
Nail did you watch the race at Down Royal when Persian Gift (i think) held on to beat Clarkey by a nose? everyone in the stand and at the post thought Clarkey won. 

we all had a few quid on him at 4/1!!! but sure plenty at the meeting considering the weather

Persian City it was milltown, and I will tell you what, everyone in my bookies, myself included, thought that Clarkey had got the race! t give out there was a photo fiish but all the punters with Persian backed threw their dockets away, it was only a wee while after I looked at the results page and thought what the f**k?!?! The punters couldnt believe their luck when I told them to collect on Persian!!

Maybe if Ruby wasn't on the hot fave?? Who knows!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 06, 2009, 03:03:35 PM
Oh yeah meant to post this yesterday about a true Irish legend, Brave Inca, now retired, some record... Ten grade ones...

BRAVE INCA, who gained a reputation as one of the toughest horses in training during a glittering career that yielded ten Grade 1 victories, has been retired.

Trainer Colm Murphy said of his stable star on Tuesday afternoon: "All good things must come to an end and while it's always a pity to call it a day it was great to have him around for so long."

The Wexford trainer added: "We always said we'd be quite happy to retire him if he wasn't up to competing at the highest level after what he achieved so far."

Brave Inca, the 2006 Champion Hurdle winner, trailed in last of nine finishers behind Fiveforthree in the Ladbrokes.com World Series Hurdle after disappointing previously in the Smurfit Kappa Champion Hurdle when 18th behind Punjabi.

"After discussing it with his owners after Punchestown, the decision has been made to retire him," said Murphy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 06, 2009, 04:12:35 PM
some interesting runners this afternoon/evening

4.50 Gower e/w
6.45 Grenfell win
8.25 Limerick Boy win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 08, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
word for No.1 @ Downpatrick 20:35 ...

Do what you want with it but dont blame me if its still running this time 2moro...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on May 08, 2009, 07:31:24 PM
How goos is your source candyman?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on May 09, 2009, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 06, 2009, 04:12:35 PM
some interesting runners this afternoon/evening

4.50 Gower e/w
6.45 Grenfell win
8.25 Limerick Boy win


Swear you couldnt pick your nose samy nearly every post u put up is hammered and ur picking other peoples picks up,do yourself and everyone else a favour and just read your wee paper!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 09, 2009, 10:52:10 AM
Quote from: new devil on May 08, 2009, 07:31:24 PM
How goos is your source candyman?

Obviously not that f**king good...  ;D 4th
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 10, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
Anyone got any fancy for the Derby now after most of the trials have taken place?

I was most impressed by Fame And Glory at Leopardstown myself this weekend. I've heard though that Freemantle is Ballydoyle's great hope for Epsom this year even though he's only one an ordinary maiden at Tipp. Think he's running in the Dante at York on Thursday. Might take a price on him for the Derby before then.

I still think the 2000 Guineas was the best trial run so far and I'd expect both Sea The Stars and Gan Amhras to take the world of beating.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 11, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: new devil on May 09, 2009, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 06, 2009, 04:12:35 PM
some interesting runners this afternoon/evening

4.50 Gower e/w
6.45 Grenfell win
8.25 Limerick Boy win


Swear you couldnt pick your nose samy nearly every post u put up is hammered and ur picking other peoples picks up,do yourself and everyone else a favour and just read your wee paper!!!

oh the devil is the new horseracing supremo on the gaaboard.com... a little harsh to throw out this sort of abuse - I dont know why you think I am picking other people's selections, I am simply passing on a little word about a few triers in the particular races I have been told about. I am not demanding everyone back what I put up but I cannot argue that I am down a few pound on the basis of a few wrong bets in the last few weeks.

Any tips throwing back at me there devil to recoup my losses?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 11, 2009, 02:50:51 PM
Hunting Tower at Towcester tonight, AP is on him.


Disclaimer - Doogie Browser is not responsible for people losing their children's communion money on horse whispers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on May 11, 2009, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 11, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: new devil on May 09, 2009, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 06, 2009, 04:12:35 PM
some interesting runners this afternoon/evening

4.50 Gower e/w
6.45 Grenfell win
8.25 Limerick Boy win


Swear you couldnt pick your nose samy nearly every post u put up is hammered and ur picking other peoples picks up,do yourself and everyone else a favour and just read your wee paper!!!

oh the devil is the new horseracing supremo on the gaaboard.com... a little harsh to throw out this sort of abuse - I dont know why you think I am picking other people's selections, I am simply passing on a little word about a few triers in the particular races I have been told about. I am not demanding everyone back what I put up but I cannot argue that I am down a few pound on the basis of a few wrong bets in the last few weeks.

Any tips throwing back at me there devil to recoup my losses?

Was only winding sammy...No tips at the minute....I think newcastle game will be a draw tonite...could lump on at 12-5
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on May 11, 2009, 03:12:18 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 11, 2009, 02:50:51 PM
Hunting Tower at Towcester tonight, AP is on him.


Disclaimer - Doogie Browser is not responsible for people losing their children's communion money on horse whispers.

good man Doogie. The last of the Early Child Care Supplement is going on it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 11, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
fair enough devil, I wouldn't totally disagree with that but never like backing the draw especially in crunch games like this relegation derby tonight

at the risk of being lambasted, 2 off john dunlop's are fancied tonight.

7.20-Lake Karamalka

7.50-Times Up "if it doesnt win this it will never win a race"

and Implication at 4.10 Wolverhampton

good luck if u play  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on May 11, 2009, 03:22:44 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 11, 2009, 02:50:51 PM
Hunting Tower at Towcester tonight, AP is on him.


Disclaimer - Doogie Browser is not responsible for people losing their children's communion money on horse whispers.


There is serious bucks on this horse. ;) Also heard a bit of word for hampshire express 5.40 killarney
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 11, 2009, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 11, 2009, 02:50:51 PM
Hunting Tower at Towcester tonight, AP is on him.


Disclaimer - Doogie Browser is not responsible for people losing their children's communion money on horse whispers.

Never backign another horse of JJ Lambes ever again after the last month, when he laid three horses on to win and they ran like donkeys costing me a few hundred quid in the process. An idiot masquerading as a trainer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on May 11, 2009, 05:51:25 PM
You think we shouls stay away from it ONL?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 11, 2009, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: new devil on May 11, 2009, 05:51:25 PM
You think we shouls stay away from it ONL?

I am just staying away from Lambe altogether, though saying that when AP is riding for him he is normally fruitful...

They have five rides tonight, hot fave in the first fell...

My boss will be able to tell me more, he gets info from Lambe but as I said before his info the last month or so has been SHITE!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 11, 2009, 07:28:03 PM
He is backing it.

So far his runners have done f**k all but they are backing this one, betting shows it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 11, 2009, 07:36:25 PM
Wins it, good ride from McCoy pipped Mohawk Star in the final furlong... Didnt jump well though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on May 11, 2009, 08:24:22 PM
well done doggie the kids will eat well this month
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 11, 2009, 08:26:14 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 11, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
fair enough devil, I wouldn't totally disagree with that but never like backing the draw especially in crunch games like this relegation derby tonight

at the risk of being lambasted, 2 off john dunlop's are fancied tonight.

7.20-Lake Karamalka

7.50-Times Up "if it doesnt win this it will never win a race"

and Implication at 4.10 Wolverhampton

good luck if u play  :-[

You could stop anything Sammy, well done.

I am thinking of laying all Sammy's selections for the foreseeable future, would make a bomb!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 12, 2009, 10:13:43 AM
don't talk to me about it, two seconds and Lake bombed out sick as a parrot last night.

looks like neither me nor the devil could tip a wheelbarrow - sorry lads if anyone went with these.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on May 12, 2009, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 12, 2009, 10:13:43 AM
don't talk to me about it, two seconds and Lake bombed out sick as a parrot last night.

looks like neither me nor the devil could tip a wheelbarrow - sorry lads if anyone went with these.

:D :D :D :D You'd stop cancer Sammy... :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 12, 2009, 03:39:53 PM
4.30 Bev: CLASSIC CONTOURS w+p
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 12, 2009, 03:52:02 PM
For Sammy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAM9diIDHqs
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on May 12, 2009, 04:35:24 PM
Good shout sammy  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 12, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
thanks el cuervo

there you are lads, a long overdue winner, 3/1 if you were on at quarter to four, and I have another one for tomorrow at York but I gotta wait til prices are up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on May 12, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
Well done Sammy, I backed in on the basis that you would finally have to be right
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 12, 2009, 04:43:16 PM
Was on it myself Sammy, the drought is over!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on May 12, 2009, 04:44:41 PM
I f**king missed it Sammy
No doubt the one at York tomorrow will get shafted :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on May 12, 2009, 04:46:47 PM
I've one for york myself tomorrow - serious impact - 15:45
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 12, 2009, 05:09:07 PM
Bianca Capello - 5.20 Warwick, this is a personal fancy, no info or "tip" a small each way as this has the ability to be placed and it has been gambled from 12's earlier this afternoon to 8's now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 12, 2009, 05:30:58 PM
surprisingly poor run, you lads will be laughing your asses off at me, I get a winner and throw most of the cash back to Paddy Power again 

last bet of the day goes to Quivvy Bridge 5.40 Killarney, again just personal fancy but IF this thing runs to its potential it should win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 12, 2009, 05:51:03 PM
Word for Slieve Mish 740 Killarney,usually reliable but who knows.Jim Bolger trains
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 12, 2009, 05:52:12 PM
cheers boojangles might need it now thanks  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 13, 2009, 11:19:10 AM
WARRIOR ONE at 4.55 York, 4 places currently 20/1.  ;)

Robin De Paques at Fontwell 5.15 also good each way 11/2 - fingers crossed lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 13, 2009, 05:43:00 PM
guys I have some good news for you - thats me and my tips finished on here, I have blew too much money in the last few weeks and every time i stick something on here (apart from once) it runs a bloody shocker and I am getting sick of it. This thread has cursed my luck completely and these are the ones I am betting heaviest on  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 13, 2009, 06:35:04 PM
We have known all along that you are in cahoots with Our Nail, put up dodgy 'tips' here and watch the Lurgan boys flock to his bookies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on May 13, 2009, 07:33:14 PM
Got word for Prince Balthasar  in the perth 8.00,backed into 9/4 from 5/1 earlier!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 13, 2009, 08:12:03 PM
Good lad frank!! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on May 13, 2009, 08:17:48 PM
Hope few got on,ended up driftin to 10/3 and wiinin for frank and the lads!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 14, 2009, 02:18:07 PM
ONL will have a good giggle at that one when he sees it.  8)

Let me make myself clear. I love taking cash off the bookies so believe me to be considered on their side or in cahoots with them, low blow

I'm a Fermanagh man, I know people from Armagh/Lurgan, none are bookmakers thus am certainly not in a position to be ripping guys off for anyone elses gain 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on May 14, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
Done a speculative e/w double today...

Black bear island & Blythe Knight (12s & 20s)!

First one up!

Had a word for KHEYLIDE in the 8.30 Newmarket this evening...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on May 14, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
I felt it was blocked by the winner, it was flying at the end. unlucky
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on May 14, 2009, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on May 14, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
Had a word for KHEYLIDE in the 8.30 Newmarket this evening...

Fair play, thanks for that!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on May 15, 2009, 08:30:55 AM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on May 14, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
I felt it was blocked by the winner, it was flying at the end. unlucky

Must have been blocked cause it was a winner this morning when I checked. Thats 3 straight wins from the gaaboard, who needs work!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on May 15, 2009, 01:55:15 PM
girt_giggler

You should make a daily tips from you, any of todays racing?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on May 15, 2009, 02:21:33 PM
Just passing on info chaps!  No 'word' for any today though!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on May 19, 2009, 08:59:45 AM
Name the racecourses (http://www.sporcle.com/games/uk_ireland_racingcourses.php)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on May 19, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
Anyone see no. 2 in the 6.10 at Leicester  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 19, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Homer on May 19, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
Anyone see no. 2 in the 6.10 at Leicester  :)

That's gas, noticed it myself this morning.

Sizing Europe is making his chasing debut at Punchestown this evening. I know he's turned into a bit of a hound but even on the worst of his hurdles form this year he wouldn't need to come off the bridle to win against this lot surely? Might be worth the double with Deutschland in the first.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on May 19, 2009, 02:00:45 PM
Is that the horse 'George Baker' ridden by a G Baker and trained by a George Baker ??

WTF!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 19, 2009, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: Homer on May 19, 2009, 08:59:45 AM
Name the racecourses (http://www.sporcle.com/games/uk_ireland_racingcourses.php)
72/87-happy enough-got all the Irish courses anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on May 19, 2009, 05:26:40 PM
47/87. I missed some very obvious ones.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 19, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 19, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Homer on May 19, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
Anyone see no. 2 in the 6.10 at Leicester  :)

That's gas, noticed it myself this morning.

Sizing Europe is making his chasing debut at Punchestown this evening. I know he's turned into a bit of a hound but even on the worst of his hurdles form this year he wouldn't need to come off the bridle to win against this lot surely? Might be worth the double with Deutschland in the first.


Hope ya did that double.I backed Deutschland in the 1st but forgot about Sizing Europe.He won handy and definitely looks a prospect for chasing.He had no problem jumping and the 2 and half miles didnt take him off the bridle.Always liked the horse,would love to see him become a top chaser-Mite give me a chance to win some money back Iv lost backing him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 20, 2009, 01:06:08 AM
Quote from: boojangles on May 19, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 19, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Homer on May 19, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
Anyone see no. 2 in the 6.10 at Leicester  :)

That's gas, noticed it myself this morning.

Sizing Europe is making his chasing debut at Punchestown this evening. I know he's turned into a bit of a hound but even on the worst of his hurdles form this year he wouldn't need to come off the bridle to win against this lot surely? Might be worth the double with Deutschland in the first.


Hope ya did that double.I backed Deutschland in the 1st but forgot about Sizing Europe.He won handy and definitely looks a prospect for chasing.He had no problem jumping and the 2 and half miles didnt take him off the bridle.Always liked the horse,would love to see him become a top chaser-Mite give me a chance to win some money back Iv lost backing him.

Did the double alright. Easy money! Not exactly a huge payout but it should cover the weekend's porter.

Was going to back Sizing Europe again in a single when he went out to evs but I bottled it. I often find these classy hurdlers are overpriced in beginners' chases. Your pretty much taking a shade of odds on about a horse jumping round.

He won pulling a plough after him today but that opposition wasn't up to much. He jumped very well but I'd still be a bit sceptical about him next year. He'll win races if he's campaigned shrewdly but he might struggle if he's pitched into the hot novice chases with the likes of Mikael D'haguenet, Fiveforthree and Pandorama, who are all going over fences.

Truth be told, I still haven't forgiven him for the '08 Champion Hurdle. Couldn't believe how well he was going coming down the hill until stopping like he'd been shot turning in. I'd say whatever happened him then is the cause of his problems. If De Bromhead can get him right he still has a future. It seems like he's been around forever but he's only a 7yo.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on May 20, 2009, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: Homer on May 19, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
Anyone see no. 2 in the 6.10 at Leicester  :)

Placed 3rd at 33/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on May 20, 2009, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: Homer on May 20, 2009, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: Homer on May 19, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
Anyone see no. 2 in the 6.10 at Leicester  :)

Placed 3rd at 33/1.

Noticed that myself this morn!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: D4S on May 20, 2009, 11:05:44 AM
Sligo Abandoned this evening lads!

Just heard word for a horse tonight 9.00 Sedgefield called Diktatorship. Has just come in to 7/1 from 10s + 12s in the last 40 minutes!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 20, 2009, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 20, 2009, 01:06:08 AM
Quote from: boojangles on May 19, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 19, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Homer on May 19, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
Anyone see no. 2 in the 6.10 at Leicester  :)

That's gas, noticed it myself this morning.

Sizing Europe is making his chasing debut at Punchestown this evening. I know he's turned into a bit of a hound but even on the worst of his hurdles form this year he wouldn't need to come off the bridle to win against this lot surely? Might be worth the double with Deutschland in the first.


Hope ya did that double.I backed Deutschland in the 1st but forgot about Sizing Europe.He won handy and definitely looks a prospect for chasing.He had no problem jumping and the 2 and half miles didnt take him off the bridle.Always liked the horse,would love to see him become a top chaser-Mite give me a chance to win some money back Iv lost backing him.

Did the double alright. Easy money! Not exactly a huge payout but it should cover the weekend's porter.

Was going to back Sizing Europe again in a single when he went out to evs but I bottled it. I often find these classy hurdlers are overpriced in beginners' chases. Your pretty much taking a shade of odds on about a horse jumping round.

He won pulling a plough after him today but that opposition wasn't up to much. He jumped very well but I'd still be a bit sceptical about him next year. He'll win races if he's campaigned shrewdly but he might struggle if he's pitched into the hot novice chases with the likes of Mikael D'haguenet, Fiveforthree and Pandorama, who are all going over fences.

Truth be told, I still haven't forgiven him for the '08 Champion Hurdle. Couldn't believe how well he was going coming down the hill until stopping like he'd been shot turning in. I'd say whatever happened him then is the cause of his problems. If De Bromhead can get him right he still has a future. It seems like he's been around forever but he's only a 7yo.

Same as Donnelly,had my biggest bet of the week on what I saw as Banker on Sizing Europe in 08.I seen the dollar signs when he was coming down that hill,then Bang-Nothing.Couldnt believe it. But something showed up after that race that wasnt right about the horse.I dunno how well he travels really-some problems when he travelled over for Cheltenham lately,Transit sickness or something although he has won in England-Long walk Hurdle was it?.We will prob see more of him at home Id say tho. Quotes of 12-1 for the Arkle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 20, 2009, 11:42:32 PM
Quote from: boojangles on May 20, 2009, 02:16:34 PM
Same as Donnelly,had my biggest bet of the week on what I saw as Banker on Sizing Europe in 08.I seen the dollar signs when he was coming down that hill,then Bang-Nothing.Couldnt believe it. But something showed up after that race that wasnt right about the horse.I dunno how well he travels really-some problems when he travelled over for Cheltenham lately,Transit sickness or something although he has won in England-Long walk Hurdle was it?.We will prob see more of him at home Id say tho. Quotes of 12-1 for the Arkle.

He won the Greatwood Hurdle at the Paddy Power Cheltenham meet in '07. Think he also won his maiden hurdle at Newbury but I could be wrong on that.

Doubt the bookies will be doing much business at a measly 12/1 for the Arkle. You'd think some of them would grow a spine. O'Regan was very pleased after the race though and he said that 2 miles over fences could be the making of him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 20, 2009, 11:55:27 PM
Quote from: D4S on May 20, 2009, 11:05:44 AM
Sligo Abandoned this evening lads!

Just heard word for a horse tonight 9.00 Sedgefield called Diktatorship. Has just come in to 7/1 from 10s + 12s in the last 40 minutes!


3rd at 6-1.Nice each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on May 21, 2009, 11:39:59 AM
Fancy mc coy double in the first to races at wheterby
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on May 21, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
Good Call with the McCoy double,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on May 21, 2009, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: Family guy on May 21, 2009, 11:39:59 AM
Fancy mc coy double in the first to races at wheterby

Had a score on it!!! Fancied it this morning!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on May 22, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
8:40 Stratford tonight

Freeline Fury...get on lads


 
 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on May 22, 2009, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: illdecide on May 22, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
8:40 Stratford tonight

Freeline Fury...get on lads


 
 

Who gave you this illdecide?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 22, 2009, 08:40:15 PM
7/1 here near the off

For the record I am not on, I wouldnt touch any of illdeicdes tips with a barge pole!!

;)

Hope this doesnt come back to haunt me!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on May 26, 2009, 06:56:55 PM
tip 4 breeseout 7.05 hexham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 26, 2009, 07:11:15 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on May 26, 2009, 06:56:55 PM
tip 4 breeseout 7.05 hexham

Good shot frank, didnt do it myself though as I dont back that gangster Lambe anymore
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on May 26, 2009, 09:28:08 PM
On a roll at the min,not the biggest price in the world but its a start:P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: supersub on May 28, 2009, 01:22:17 PM
any tips on the tracks today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 28, 2009, 02:55:44 PM
Somebody tipped here few weeks ago when it won-Hunting Tower-its out again tonight at Wetherby 650 McCoy on board-seems well fancied,around even money.
Really fancy Tommy Stacks horse Clashnacree 550 Leopardstown this evening.5-4 or so.Should have won its first outing,fancied to go well today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2009, 03:15:29 PM
Stack's colt should take plenty of beating alright. The Ballydoyle horse is the danger but most of Aidan's 2yos are coming on for their first run.

Donegal is way too big a price in the 8.00. Alandi could be anything but I've a feeling he might struggle on quicker ground tonight than he encountered at Navan. He was impressive that day but the race fell apart with Yeats running so flat. Donegal has been a massive disappointment over hurdles but some of his flat form in England last summer is bordering on group class. He was only beaten 2L by Sixties Icon and a short head by Conduit who went on to win the Leger and Breeders Cup Turf. If he hasn't been soured by his hurdling experience he'll run well at a big price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on May 28, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
Right I've backed the wages on a double - Hunting Tower & Clashnacree. Fingers crossed. It'll be a long month if these certs don't come up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on May 28, 2009, 07:41:48 PM
long month ahead, 1 and 2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2009, 08:48:01 PM
Aidan O'Brien's son Joseph, rode a winner on only his second ever ride in public tonight at Leopardstown.

He could well be a lad to watch over the summer months. Looks like he'll be well worth his claim given his polished riding tonight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on May 28, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
Gutted!!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 29, 2009, 10:06:30 AM
Word for Fernando Torres tonight at Haydock 8.40 - around 5/1 this morning on oddschecker
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 29, 2009, 11:17:35 AM
Clashna Fuckin cree
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 29, 2009, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 29, 2009, 10:06:30 AM
Word for Fernando Torres tonight at Haydock 8.40 - around 5/1 this morning on oddschecker
Will run a good first half of the race, then will get leggy and lame in the middle but should come back stong at the end. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 01, 2009, 01:14:10 PM
Fancy Bow Beaver in the 2.15 carlisle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on June 01, 2009, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: Family guy on June 01, 2009, 01:14:10 PM
Fancy Bow Beaver in the 2.15 carlisle

good call  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on June 01, 2009, 02:21:45 PM
Anymore like that family guy?, had £20 on the nose, that cheered me up today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 01, 2009, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on June 01, 2009, 02:21:45 PM
Anymore like that family guy?, had £20 on the nose, that cheered me up today.

None 2day now,had 200 on it myself,just a wee note that this 3rd post i put on this with all 3 winning,mite retire with 100percent record  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on June 01, 2009, 02:47:44 PM
Ya I had noticed your 100% record alright and thats why I am keen for more tips from yourself, pity I wasnt abit more brave with the cash like yourself, only a small fish i suppose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 01, 2009, 02:51:25 PM
Was up it from my footy bet at the weekend Chelsea Tyrone Rangers so let it ride on that,waitin on word for a horse at the end of the week il put it up for ya
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on June 01, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
Ya do that please,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on June 01, 2009, 04:05:03 PM
Was gonna say I had Cara Mara done the last day out and got it at 16/1.  Ran again today, got it again at 16/1, won again  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on June 01, 2009, 04:16:01 PM
Legendary trainer Vincent O'Brien died today aged 92.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 01, 2009, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 01, 2009, 04:16:01 PM
Legendary trainer Vincent O'Brien died today aged 92.

MV O'Brien was an absolute genius. Undoubtedly one of the most talented and gifted individuals that Ireland has ever produced.

Three successive Aintree Grand Nationals with three different horses.
Three successive Cheltenham Gold Cups with Cottage Rake.
Three successive Champion Hurdles with Hattons Grace.
Six Epsom Derby winners between 1962 and 1982.
Three Arc de Triomphe winners. Two in a row with Alleged.
Breeders Cup Mile with Royal Academy 1990.
Founder of Coolmore Stud and trainer of the great stallion Saddlers Wells.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam uasal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2009, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on June 01, 2009, 04:05:03 PM
Was gonna say I had Cara Mara done the last day out and got it at 16/1.  Ran again today, got it again at 16/1, won again  ;D

What made you pick that horse SK?? You know the trainer or something?? Thanks for posting on the board for all to share!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on June 01, 2009, 06:08:57 PM
I picked it because I was at boarding school with the fella owner so I always like to put my faith in him.

I didnt post because it wasnt a tip, just my general feeling. If I posted every one I thought would win youse would all hate me!

In saying that I checked after the race and Sporting Life had it tipped again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 01, 2009, 07:00:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 01, 2009, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 01, 2009, 04:16:01 PM
Legendary trainer Vincent O'Brien died today aged 92.

MV O'Brien was an absolute genius. Undoubtedly one of the most talented and gifted individuals that Ireland has ever produced.

Three successive Aintree Grand Nationals with three different horses.
Three successive Cheltenham Gold Cups with Cottage Rake.
Three successive Champion Hurdles with Hattons Grace.
Six Epsom Derby winners between 1962 and 1982.
Three Arc de Triomphe winners. Two in a row with Alleged.
Breeders Cup Mile with Royal Academy 1990.
Founder of Coolmore Stud and trainer of the great stallion Saddlers Wells.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam uasal.

By Tony O'Hehir2.13PM 1 JUN 2009
VINCENT O'BRIEN, arguably the greatest racehorse trainer of all time, died on Monday morning at his home in Straffan, County Kildare. He was 92.

A statement issued on behalf of his family read: "He andhis wife Jacqueline have been spending their winters in Perth, Australia where their son David is now living with his family.  Due to failing health he returned to his home in Ireland last week.  At the end he was surrounded by his wife, his five children, grand-children and sons- and daughters-in-law.  He will be greatly missed by his family and friends."

His funeral will take place at noon on Thursday at St Conleth's Church, Newbridge, County Kildare.

The trainer of 16 British Classic winners, including the Derby six times, and 27 Irish Classic winners, he won most of the major Flat races in Europe and also achieved big race success in the US with Sir Ivor in the 1968 Washington International and Royal Academy in the 1990 Breeders' Cup Mile.

However it was as a trainer of jumpers that O'Brien first made his name.

He became the only trainer to send out three consecutive winners of the Grand National at Aintree between 1953 and 1955 - Early Mist, Royal Tan and Quare Times(1955) .

He also won four Cheltenham Gold Cups, achieving a hat-trick with Cottage Rake(1948-1950) and also landing the prize with Knock Hard in 1953. He also trained Hatton's Grace to win three consecutive runnings of the ChampionHurdle (1949-1951).

His record saw him voted racing's greatest achiever of all time in the Racing Post's poll, carried out in January and February 2003, to list the top 100 racing greats.

O'Brien started training at his family's farm in Churchtown, County Cork in 1943 having previously assisted his father, Dan.

In 1951 he bought a 285-acre farm near the village of Rosegreen in County Tipperary for £17,000and turned it into a training centre par excellence which became known to the racing world as Ballydoyle, an establishment which continues to flourish under Aidan O'Brien who was appointed trainer for the Coolmore partnership following Vincent O'Brien's retirement in 1994.

Having scaled the heights as a trainer of jumpers, O'Brien went on to surpass those achievements on the Flat and his record as a top trainer in both spheres remains unequalled.

Lester Piggott, who shared in so many of O'Brien's greatest triumphs, finished second in the poll.

In the early 1970s, along with Robert Sangster and John Magnier, he formed a syndicate which was to propel Coolmore Stud to the forefront of the international breeding industry by buying yearlings in the US, training them at Ballydoyle to achieve Group 1 success and then standing them as stallions.

His Derby winners were Larkspur (1962), Sir Ivor, who also won the 2,000 Guineas, in 1968, Nijinsky, the most recent winner of the triple crown in 1970, Roberto (1972), The Minstrel (1977) and Golden Fleece (1982).

His other British Classic wins were achieved in the 2,000 Guineas with Lomond (1983) and El Gran Senor (1984), the Oaks with Long Look (1966) and Valoris(1967), the 1,000 Guineas with Glad Rags (1966) and the St Leger with Ballymoss (1957) and Boucher (1972).

Ballymoss won the Prix de L'Arc de Triomphe in 1958 and was the first of O'Brien's three victories in the race which Alleged won in 1977 and 1978.

His total of 25 Royal Ascot winners included six, from seven runners, in 1975.

He was champion trainer in Ireland 13 times and was champion Flat trainer in Britain in 1966 and 1967 and champion jumps trainer in Britain in 1952-53 and 1953-54.

His first winner as a trainer was Good Days at Limerick Junction (now known as Tipperary racecourse) on May 20 1943 while his last winner was Mysterious Ways at the Curragh on September 17 1994. His retirement was announced a month later.

For full appreciation of and tributes to racing's greatest trainer read Tuesday's Racing Post - featuring a 16-page commemorative pullout

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/m-v-o-brien-legendary-trainer-vincent-obrien-dies-aged-92/191044/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2009, 12:16:05 PM
The KING of kings

Horse Racing

By Peter Hilton

02/06/09



Superlatives are thrown about with reckless abandon in horseracing, but the legendary Vincent O'Brien deserved them all.

O'Brien owned an astonishing talent for the training of racehorses. In the sport he adorned, he was a genius.

Born on April 9, 1917, in Churchtown, County Cork, Michael Vincent O'Brien was the fifth son of a sporting farmer who loved to trade in horses, in a part of Ireland renowned for rearing them.

Dan O'Brien laid a gallop around Clashganiff Farm and trained racehorses before selling them on at a profit, but he did not particularly enjoy the day-to-day business of readying them for the racecourse. He discovered that his son Vincent did.

The young lad was soon organising his father's string, learning his craft behind the scenes, though he made his initial mark officially as an amateur jockey when winning at Limerick in November 1940 on Hallowment.

All he really wanted to do was train, however, and his popular father's untimely death from pneumonia in 1943 quickly brought matters to a head.

Without the capital to establish himself, the young, unknown O'Brien required gambled-on winners, and got them, soon establishing his reputation when in 1944 Good Days won the Irish Cesarewitch and Drybob dead-heated for the Irish Cambridgeshire.

What was needed next was a top-class winner, but the O'Briens – his brothers were always part of the team – cannot have expected it to be the unraced six-year-old they were asked to collect from a boggy field at the back of a doctor's surgery in Mallow.

This horse went on to win the Irish Cesarewitch, the Leopardstown Chase, the King George VI Chase and three Cheltenham Gold Cups. His name was Cottage Rake.

In the summer of 1948, after the Rake's first victory at Prestbury Park, O'Brien acquired a no-more-than-useful eight-year-old hurdler and set about improving him. This was Hatton's Grace, winner of the Champion Hurdle for the next three years.

It was the establishment of an extraordinary love affair with Cheltenham for the dapper Irishman, whose rare talent was never more exemplified than by his success in the Gloucestershire (now Supreme Novices') Hurdle.

Always split into two divisions to embrace the huge number of entries, it was won 10 times in the seven years from 1952 by O'Brien runners.

The family farm in County Cork was never going to be big enough to contain the

ambitions, or indeed talent, of the budding master trainer and O'Brien moved on in 1951, buying his own place in County Tipperary –

Ballydoyle.

From there, now married to Australian MP's daughter Jacqueline Wittenoom, he achieved his greatest feat in the National Hunt arena,

following up the 1953 Gold Cup victory of Knock Hard by training three quite different steeplechasers, Early Mist, Royal Tan and Quare Times, to win consecutive Grand Nationals.

It was not all plain sailing, however. Genius often attracts suspicion, and so it was with O'Brien. In 1954 the Irish stewards, unhappy with how they perceived some of his horses were being run, withdrew his

licence for three months. It was little more than a blip, though one that was deeply felt.

A new chapter was about to be written, however, and it is well nigh incredible to record that for all O'Brien's successes in the National Hunt arena, he was about to do even better when he switched his attentions exclusively to the Flat.

Among his first acquisitions were Ballymoss and

Gladness.

The former won the 1957 Irish Derby and Doncaster St Leger and the 1958 Coronation Cup, Eclipse, King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe. The latter took the 1958 Ascot Gold Cup, Goodwood Cup and Ebor Handicap (in which this

extraordinary mare carried 9st 7lb and won by six lengths).

It all came close to a shuddering halt in 1960 when traces of a banned substance were supposedly found in the three-year-old Chamour after a maiden at the Curragh, and O'Brien was harshly warned-off for 18 months at the subsequent inquiry.

His brother Phonsie was allowed to train the horses at Ballydoyle, but Vincent was not allowed to have anything to do with them. The public, solidly behind their idol, cheered to the rafters when Chamour went on to win the Irish Derby while O'Brien spent the day fishing.

The sentence was eventually cut to a year and the aggrieved master trainer won an apology and costs from the stewards on the day a High Court libel case was to begin as he sought to clear his name.

Success without parallel followed. Larkspur's Derby victory in 1962 was the first of six, and all the others were better. They were Sir Ivor, Nijinsky, Roberto, The Minstrel and Golden Fleece; illustrious names all.

Nijinsky's purchase was all O'Brien's work, as he had flown out to Canada to inspect a yearling on behalf of billionaire owner Charles Engelhard, but was much more taken by a son of the unproven sire Northern Dancer. This colt went on to win the 1970 Triple Crown – he remains the last horse to do so – and is rated alongside Sir Ivor as the best ever trained at Ballydoyle.

By now immersed in American bloodlines and a keen student of bloodstock, O'Brien bought a stud near Ballydoyle by the name of Coolmore and approached a bright young Irishman to run it, one John Magnier, who was to become his son-in-law. Not long after a syndicate was born, its third member a rich owner-investor – Robert Sangster.

Their aim was to purchase top-class yearlings from America with a view to winning Classics and turning them into sought-after, big-earning stallions. Riches would, and indeed did, follow.

Coolmore is now the world's pre-eminent stallion station and is part of O'Brien's great legacy to Ireland. Other investors have joined the Magnier-led team, and the horses are still trained at Ballydoyle by an O'Brien, the unrelated Aidan.

Champions flowed from the Co Tipperary yard under the incomparable Vincent; as well as the Derby heroes there were the likes of El Gran Senor, Artaius, Solford, Sadler's Wells, Caerleon, Storm Bird and dual-Arc winner Alleged.

Lester Piggott was most associated with the early champions and Pat Eddery with the later ones, but there was to be a remarkable

swansong, a jaw-dropping finale to the O'Brien story at the Breeders' Cup in 1990.

Vincent was 73 when he sent Royal Academy over to America for the Mile at Belmont Park and he was instrumental in persuading the 54-year-old Piggott to come out of retirement. The horse's remarkable victory is one of racing's great fairytales.

Vincent O'Brien, a family man with five children including David, who handled the Derby winner Secreto, and Charles, who trains in Ireland, retired in October 1994. He had won 25 races at Royal Ascot and 23 at the Cheltenham Festival, 16 English Classics and 27 Irish, and had been champion trainer in Ireland 13 times and in England twice over jumps and twice on the Flat.

Michael Vincent O'Brien

Born: April 9, 1917

Married: 29 December 1951 to Jacqueline. Children David, Charles, Elizabeth, Susan and Jane.

Riding Career: Amateur, rode first winner November 1940.

First Trainer's Licence: January 1943.

Champion Trainer (GB): Flat; 1966, 1967; NH: 1952/3, 1954/5.

Big-race wins: Cheltenham Gold Cup: Cottage Rake 1948, 1949, 1950, Knock Hard 1953. Champion Hurdle: Hatton's Grace 1949, 1950, 1951. Grand National: Early Mist 1953, Royal Tan 1954, Quare Times 1955. Derby: Larkspur 1962, Sir Ivor 1968, Nijinsky 1970, Roberto 1972, The Minstrel 1977, Golden Fleece 1982. Oaks: Long Look 1965, Valoris 1966. St Leger: Ballymoss 1957, Nijinsky 1970, Boucher 1972. 2000 Guineas: Sir Ivor 1968, Nijinsky 1970, Lomond 1983, El Gran Senor 1984. 1000 Guineas: Glad Rags 1966. Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe: Ballymoss 1958, Alleged 1977, 1978. King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes: Ballymoss 1958, Nijinsky 1970, The Minstrel 1977. Breeders' Cup Mile: Royal Academy 1990. Irish 2000 Guineas: El Toro 1959, Jaazeiro 1978, King's Lake 1981, Sadler's Wells 1984, Prince Of Birds 1988. Irish 1000 Guineas: Valoris 1966, Lady Capulet 1977, Godetia 1979. Irish Derby: Chamier 1953, Ballymoss 1957, Nijinsky 1970, The Minstrel 1977, El Gran Senor 1984, Law Society 1985. Irish Oaks: Ancasta 1964, Aurabella 1965, Gaia 1969, Godetia 1979. Irish St Leger: Barclay 1959, White Gloves 1966, Reindeer 1969, Caucasus 1975, Meneval 1976, Transworld 1977, Gonzales 1980, Leading Counsel 1985, Dark Lomond 1988.

Best horses trained: Nijinsky, Sir Ivor, Alleged, Sadler's Wells, Golden Fleece, The Minstrel, El Gran Senor, Ballymoss, Roberto, Early Mist, Quare Times, Royal Tan, Hatton's Grace, Cottage Rake.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2009, 06:13:17 PM
All the jockeys in the Epsom Derby on Saturday will be wearing black armbands as a mark of respect to the great master of Ballydoyle. Perhaps the greatest tribute to MV O'Brien though is that all the horses running on Saturday will have the Northern Dancer bloodline, that Vincent introduced into Europe, somewhere in their pedigree.

His successor at Ballydoyle has announced riding arrangements for Saturday:
Fame And Glory - Seámus Heffernan
Rip Van Winkle - Johnny Murtagh
Golden Sword - Colm O'Donoghue
Age Of Aquarius - Pat Smullen
Masterofthehorse - Richard Hughes
Black Bear Island - Ryan Moore

Surprised Murtagh is sticking with Rip Van Winkle. I know he has gone on record saying he has 'a soft spot' for the horse but his form doesn't really stack up and looking at his pedigree he looks a very doubtful stayer. Fame And Glory is far more solid and looks made for 1m4. Seámie will never have a better chance of riding an Epsom Derby winner.

I still think Sea The Stars ticks all the boxes though. He looked the real deal in the guineas and I don't share the concerns about his stamina. He's out of an Arc winner in Urban Sea, and he's a half brother to both Black Sam Bellamy and Galileo who both stayed 1m4. There's speed on the sire's side but Cape Cross did sire Ouija Board who won both the English and Irish Oaks. I'm taking the 3/1 NR/NB about Sea The Stars now because I think the money will come for him later on in the week with people wanting to take on Aidan's runners.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 03, 2009, 06:34:52 PM
See horse here running called benayoun,couldnt b as bad as the footballer could it,lol spse if it finishes 2nd and u do it each way wud do you alrite,also know theres horses called stevey g and torrees,not sure but think there a horse called the kop 2..........wat a loada donkeys lol ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 03, 2009, 07:06:05 PM
Jesus,horse running now call merseyside star,wat is with naming these horses like this,there fucked bein named after this dirt lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 03, 2009, 08:31:40 PM
Youlneverwalkalone was a decent horse for JP and Christy Roche. Remember him beating Moscow Flyer one day at Fairyhouse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 04, 2009, 05:41:50 PM
Just got a tip for Nina at Tipp 8.50 Bendigo Creek. This person has never given me a tip before but I would trust him. Currently 8's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 04, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
never going to trust that f**ker....sorry
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 09, 2009, 03:17:17 PM
I presume Nina isnt away to Chester for the fresh air tonight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 09, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
Saw that myself, interesting indeed!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 09, 2009, 03:50:19 PM
Got word for Devon Native in the 7.30 Southwell.Have never got a tip from this man b4 so duno wat 2 do,wasnt even gna put my 100% record on the line here but f**k it lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 09, 2009, 05:40:09 PM
Some gamble there-Bohobe backed from 25/1 to 6/1 at the off and won there in the 5.30 at Salisbury, returned at 7/1...

Couple lucky punters got on in here, pity I didn't...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lothos on June 09, 2009, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: Family guy on June 09, 2009, 03:50:19 PM
Got word for Devon Native in the 7.30 Southwell.Have never got a tip from this man b4 so duno wat 2 do,wasnt even gna put my 100% record on the line here but f**k it lol

good shout.  your 100% record is still in tact  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 09, 2009, 09:14:04 PM
Well done Family Guy! Good call. Let's hope Nina can oblige in the next.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 09, 2009, 10:26:28 PM
Good man Family Guy thats some record you have there, I have missed every one though. Bet the first I catch is your first knocker!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 09, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
No problem lads hopefuli get word next week for something,lol i know nail be just my luck 2 put up 1 that gets hammered and everybody be on it and i be the worst **** on this then  :)         
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 09, 2009, 11:49:32 PM
Quote from: Lothos on June 09, 2009, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: Family guy on June 09, 2009, 03:50:19 PM
Got word for Devon Native in the 7.30 Southwell.Have never got a tip from this man b4 so duno wat 2 do,wasnt even gna put my 100% record on the line here but f**k it lol

good shout.  your 100% record is still in tact  :)

Doh Doh Doh Doh Doh :'( :'( :'(

This page is bad luck for me.Always miss the winners,and back the losers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 16, 2009, 11:58:12 AM
Well lads any fancys for Ascot this week? I think Mastercraftsman will be hard bet today345. Alot of talk about this Ozzie horse Scenic Blast too in the 305.
Over the course of the week,Ryan Moore seems to have a few good rides.He is 4/1 to be Top jockey.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 16, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
4/1??? where u see that at? 11/10, 5/4 at best everywhere else I've seen!!

As for today, in the first if the goldolphin horse reporduces any of its form shown in dubail it will leave the rest for dust!

Canford Cliffs in the 4.20, can't see it getting beat.

Double with those 2 and have threw Mastercraftsman into a treble also!

Also like 'All the Nines' in the 5.10 Thirsk, going for a 4 timer, currently 10/1 so each way value to be had there for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 16, 2009, 01:18:34 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on June 16, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
4/1??? where u see that at? 11/10, 5/4 at best everywhere else I've seen!!

As for today, in the first if the goldolphin horse reporduces any of its form shown in dubail it will leave the rest for dust!

Canford Cliffs in the 4.20, can't see it getting beat.

Double with those 2 and have threw Mastercraftsman into a treble also!

Also like 'All the Nines' in the 5.10 Thirsk, going for a 4 timer, currently 10/1 so each way value to be had there for me.

Not a chance he is 4/1...  He is 5/4 and shorter.  Murtagh is missing the last two days so I think he is virtually a shoe in..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on June 16, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
5.30 - Strike the Tiger e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on June 16, 2009, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 16, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
5.30 - Strike the Tiger e/w

Couple of £ e/w just so I wouldn't regret it.  33/1

;D

EDIT: Apologies, thanks John Denver  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 16, 2009, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 16, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
5.30 - Strike the Tiger e/w

>:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on June 16, 2009, 05:39:52 PM
Quote from: full back on June 16, 2009, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 16, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
5.30 - Strike the Tiger e/w

>:( >:( >:( >:(


:o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on June 16, 2009, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: full back on June 16, 2009, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 16, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
5.30 - Strike the Tiger e/w

>:( >:( >:( >:(

:D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 16, 2009, 05:48:57 PM
Took it at 25s but FFS  ;D

25 e/w

Edit for rudeness.

Thanks JohnDenver. You can fill up my census anytime!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 16, 2009, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on June 16, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
4/1??? where u see that at? 11/10, 5/4 at best everywhere else I've seen!!

As for today, in the first if the goldolphin horse reporduces any of its form shown in dubail it will leave the rest for dust!

Canford Cliffs in the 4.20, can't see it getting beat.

Double with those 2 and have threw Mastercraftsman into a treble also!

Also like 'All the Nines' in the 5.10 Thirsk, going for a 4 timer, currently 10/1 so each way value to be had there for me.

Good day today thank god,had Paco Boy,Scenic Blast,Mastercraftsman and Lord Shanakill EW,It was badly needed I tell you.
I got 4/1 on Ryan Moore this morning from my local bookies,was expecting about 6-5.Its obviously a wrong price I was quoted.Their fault not mine :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 16, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 16, 2009, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on June 16, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
4/1??? where u see that at? 11/10, 5/4 at best everywhere else I've seen!!

As for today, in the first if the goldolphin horse reporduces any of its form shown in dubail it will leave the rest for dust!

Canford Cliffs in the 4.20, can't see it getting beat.

Double with those 2 and have threw Mastercraftsman into a treble also!

Also like 'All the Nines' in the 5.10 Thirsk, going for a 4 timer, currently 10/1 so each way value to be had there for me.

Good day today thank god,had Paco Boy,Scenic Blast,Mastercraftsman and Lord Shanakill EW,It was badly needed I tell you.
I got 4/1 on Ryan Moore this morning from my local bookies,was expecting about 6-5.Its obviously a wrong price I was quoted.Their fault not mine :P

You do realise they will most likely pay you out at 6/5?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 16, 2009, 06:51:47 PM
gonna be hard to catch Richard Hughes now anyway  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 16, 2009, 08:15:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 16, 2009, 05:48:57 PM
Took it at 25s but FFS  ;D

25 e/w

Edit for rudeness.

Thanks JohnDenver. You can fill up my census anytime!

i did it online at 25's and P Power paid 33's , good couple of days this week, comfortable win over wicklow and John Denver comes up with my betting money for the US open
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 16, 2009, 10:10:50 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 16, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 16, 2009, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on June 16, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
4/1??? where u see that at? 11/10, 5/4 at best everywhere else I've seen!!

As for today, in the first if the goldolphin horse reporduces any of its form shown in dubail it will leave the rest for dust!

Canford Cliffs in the 4.20, can't see it getting beat.

Double with those 2 and have threw Mastercraftsman into a treble also!

Also like 'All the Nines' in the 5.10 Thirsk, going for a 4 timer, currently 10/1 so each way value to be had there for me.

Good day today thank god,had Paco Boy,Scenic Blast,Mastercraftsman and Lord Shanakill EW,It was badly needed I tell you.
I got 4/1 on Ryan Moore this morning from my local bookies,was expecting about 6-5.Its obviously a wrong price I was quoted.Their fault not mine :P

You do realise they will most likely pay you out at 6/5?
Not with my bookies,I ring in most my bets so whatever I was quoted is the price I get.They record all calls.It will be no good if Richard Hughes runs away with it,but Id stilll expect RL Moore to get a few winners and go close.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on June 16, 2009, 10:24:46 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 16, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
5.30 - Strike the Tiger e/w

Fair play!  My PP account was just about reading empty so I put the last couple of euro on :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 17, 2009, 08:19:09 AM
Excellent stuff John Denver....where the hell ya hear that one at?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on June 17, 2009, 08:51:27 AM
Got sent word through about that horse, who ever he got the info from was confident enough even at the big price, but i wasn't so sure of the source. 

Had a few bob on it e/w myself, and the minute it wins your angry that you didnt hit it with more  :P ::) 

Can't be too greedy though, decent lift for a tuesday evening!! 

Good to share the wealth anyway and take another dig at the bookies!!

Sidelinekick will be fit to buy me a pint at casement on sunday now or else he could end up gettin a kicking  ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 17, 2009, 10:59:11 AM
I went to collect to be told that Celtic were paying out on the SP!

So they paid me out at 33/1 as opposed to the 25/1 that I took at the time!

It just gets better and better  ;D

I tip my hat to all the Denvers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on June 17, 2009, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 17, 2009, 08:51:27 AM
Got sent word through about that horse, who ever he got the info from was confident enough even at the big price, but i wasn't so sure of the source. 

Had a few bob on it e/w myself, and the minute it wins your angry that you didnt hit it with more  :P ::) 

Can't be too greedy though, decent lift for a tuesday evening!! 

Good to share the wealth anyway and take another dig at the bookies!!

Sidelinekick will be fit to buy me a pint at casement on sunday now or else he could end up gettin a kicking  ;) ;)

In an edited version of a quote from Dumb and Dumber:

"That John Denver's (not) full of shit man!"

Mr Denver I will gladly buy you a pint on Sunday, the meeting place is your choice! The drink is your choice also*



*Pints must be beer or Guinness, pints of vodka,gin,whiskey etc do not qualify for this offer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on June 17, 2009, 11:52:52 AM
Unfortunately missed John Denver's tip, any more for today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 17, 2009, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on June 17, 2009, 11:52:52 AM
Unfortunately missed John Denver's tip, any more for today?

Not very original but Lush Lashes and Tartan Bearer will b hard bet. Also A Winners Game ew with Murtagh on board.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on June 17, 2009, 12:13:33 PM
The horse mentioned today was 'Jealous Again' in the 4.55.  I don't think he's as confident about this one today as yesterday but could still be worth a small e/w.  Its about 9 or 10/1 at the minute.

Won't be going mad on it myself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 17, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
I reckon Ouqba has good e/w prospects in the 1st @ 11/1.. Got a free bet with 365 for backin him so keep them tips coming plz  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 17, 2009, 01:06:11 PM

9.10 Star Links

:D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 17, 2009, 02:32:46 PM
First race and the only sort of movement is on Loch Linne 17/2 to 11/2

Brave movement but no movement for anything else
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 17, 2009, 02:37:08 PM
Ouqba wiinner,  Quite easy in the end!

12-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 17, 2009, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: vav on June 17, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
I reckon Ouqba has good e/w prospects in the 1st @ 11/1.. Got a free bet with 365 for backin him so keep them tips coming plz  :)

I know very little about horses, but the commentator stated before they lined up that Ouqba was that calmest looking horse out there.
So that convinced me to put £2 EW on him.

That's me free the rest of the day....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
I think Tartan Bearer might get done for speed over 10f. I like the look of both the French horses in that race with probably a slight preference for Never On Sunday.

The two best bets of the week are running tomorrow. Leocorno in the Ribblesdale and Freemantle in the Hampton Court. Leocorno is a half sister to Golan and Tartan Bearer and she was thought to be an Oaks horse earlier on in the year before she had a slight setback which put her back a few weeks in her work. She bolted up in a mediocre handicap at Sandown on her reappearance and she'll be open to plenty of improvement stepping up 3f in trip.

Freemantle was just touched off when attempting to make all in the Dante. That was his seasonal reappearance and Aidan's have been coming on a tonne for their first run. He didn't run at Epsom to keep him fresh for this.

I'll be backing them in singles and a double. Can't imagine they'll be generous prices though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 17, 2009, 03:11:05 PM
Lush Lashes hammered!

Spacious- Johnny Murtagh 10/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2009, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: Joxer on June 17, 2009, 03:11:05 PM
Lush Lashes hammered!

Spacious- Johnny Murtagh 10/1

The Group 1 penalty did for her.

Strange decision by Bolger to send her there anyway. I've always thought she was better over 10f rather than a mile. The Pretty Polly Stakes at the Curragh on Saturday week would have been perfect for her.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 17, 2009, 03:55:50 PM
I backed Ryan Moore for top jockey at Ascot. has he any chance? I know he hasnt got off the mark yet. Who is leading?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on June 17, 2009, 03:57:33 PM
Tartan Bearer beat there too, split the two french horses. Vision Detat wins at 4/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 17, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
John Denver = Legend

Jealous again walks it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 17, 2009, 05:05:54 PM
John Denver walks on water.

Of that there is little doubt.

;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on June 17, 2009, 05:08:29 PM
Thanks again! :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 17, 2009, 05:10:21 PM
fair play to ya JohnDenver thanks for that one  :D used my free bet on it.. Cheers :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 17, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
Bookies get their revenge today.Why is it I always log on too early and too late on this page-missed a 13-2 and 12-1 today.Fucks f**k
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on June 17, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
I chose to go with Ceedwell e/w.

Why would I not listen to the big JD after yesterday?  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on June 17, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 17, 2009, 05:05:54 PM
John Denver walks on water.

Of that there is little doubt.

;D

Hmm.... if he did he might still be with us.............
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 17, 2009, 05:29:07 PM
balls been busy and haven't checked this thread  >:( Fair play to ya jd your fairly throwing out the tips there what odds did the last one come in at ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on June 17, 2009, 05:34:33 PM
I was seething when i was reading JD tips yesterday so thanks be to f**k i caught it today, Good man JD!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 17, 2009, 05:43:03 PM
I got yon winner at 9/1. He was 12s early on.

Think SP was 13/2

Country road take me home
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 17, 2009, 06:03:50 PM
f**k sake, I try not to go on the non gaa discussion during my work hours, today an yesterday I have been ripping about it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on June 17, 2009, 06:08:54 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 17, 2009, 06:03:50 PM
f**k sake, I try not to go on the non gaa discussion during my work hours, today an yesterday I have been ripping about it!

:D

That's brightened up my day anyway!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 17, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
Well done JD again. The community awaits with baited breath and full wallets for your next tip.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 17, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on June 17, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 17, 2009, 05:05:54 PM
John Denver walks on water.

Of that there is little doubt.

;D

Hmm.... if he did he might still be with us.............


;D Very good
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on June 18, 2009, 10:33:09 AM
Hope you's took a few quid of the bookies yesterday again.  Got it at 10/1 in the morning when i posted, small punt on it each-way but it romped home, very impressive.   ;D  :P

Haven't had any word as of yet today, but I think the cat is out of the bag with regards to the Trainer Wesley Ward's american horses.  Id imagine thats were my source is basing his information on given that the last two winners were both from his stable.  He has one horse out today, Yogaroo in the 2.30, but its been backed into 2/1-ish, when you could have probably have backed it at double figures before yesterdays result.  Not sure if I will do it myself or not.

Our Nail, think you need to prioritise that workload!! Tell the boss your in looking for tips in the non-gaa discussion!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 18, 2009, 02:29:18 PM
Take a stab here but Tawaabb E/W looks decent odds at 12-1

Diamond Johnny G in from 50-1 to 16-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 18, 2009, 04:10:52 PM
Dickie le Davoir should run a good race this evening at 9.10
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 18, 2009, 04:16:36 PM
We are all lucky to say we have just witnessed history and a horse that will be talked about for centuries to come Id imagine.Yeats the Immortal.
Now hopefully they keep it coming because Im banking on Fremantle to get me out of a hole.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2009, 04:34:42 PM
He'll make some national hunt stallion when he does eventually go to stud. Great training performance from Aidan to keep an entire so sound for so long.

Freemantle was my banker of the meeting. Lost big on Leocorno so I'll be needing Johnny to steer another home!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 18, 2009, 04:45:53 PM
Opnion Poll E/W in the 5.30

Had a tenner E/W on Mirrored,  Not a bad return for it I suppose at 16's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on June 19, 2009, 11:38:26 AM
Couple of picks today.

2.30 - Aegean - Another of Wards American horses, supposedly said it was his best hope for the week.  2/1 or so at present.
3.45 - Again - e/w 8/1
5.30 - Harrison George - e/w 20/1

Don't think il reach the heights of the first two tips, but il try my luck again.  Like the look of the American horse.

Good luck with whatever you choose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 19, 2009, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 19, 2009, 11:38:26 AM
Couple of picks today.

2.30 - Aegean - Another of Wards American horses, supposedly said it was his best hope for the week.  2/1 or so at present.
3.45 - Again - e/w 8/1
5.30 - Harrison George - e/w 20/1

Don't think il reach the heights of the first two tips, but il try my luck again.  Like the look of the American horse.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

I had one bet yesterday and made a handy few quid on Glass Harmonium   ;D

.. Reckon Elusive Wave would be hard enough beat in the 3:45 but with your strike rate I think a patent is in order with those 3   :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: girt_giggler on June 19, 2009, 02:12:20 PM
Big word for MT weather in 6.25 Limerick tonight.  ALot of cash has came for it & is currently 8/1 from 4's.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on June 19, 2009, 02:24:36 PM
Was watching the first night of racing at Ffos Las last night, Tony McCoy rode a treble (two for Jonjo) and was so close to a quad in the last.  I know Ruby gets all the glory with his stable but AP showed yet again last night why he is the best of all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 19, 2009, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 19, 2009, 11:38:26 AM
Couple of picks today.

2.30 - Aegean - Another of Wards American horses, supposedly said it was his best hope for the week.  2/1 or so at present.
3.45 - Again - e/w 8/1
5.30 - Harrison George - e/w 20/1

Don't think il reach the heights of the first two tips, but il try my luck again.  Like the look of the American horse.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

Aegean ran a stinker there...my £25 down the drain...Wife'll kill ma :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on June 19, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 19, 2009, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on June 19, 2009, 11:38:26 AM
Couple of picks today.

2.30 - Aegean - Another of Wards American horses, supposedly said it was his best hope for the week.  2/1 or so at present.
3.45 - Again - e/w 8/1
5.30 - Harrison George - e/w 20/1

Don't think il reach the heights of the first two tips, but il try my luck again.  Like the look of the American horse.

Good luck with whatever you choose.


Aegean ran a stinker there...my £25 down the drain...Wife'll kill ma :'(

Don't talk, had a healthy lump on it, sounded promising from the stalls but faded badly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 19, 2009, 04:20:09 PM
Tip for Honest Man in the 6.15 at Down Royal, 12/1 at the minute

Most people doing it each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 19, 2009, 04:36:48 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 19, 2009, 04:20:09 PM
Tip for Honest Man in the 6.15 at Down Royal, 12/1 at the minute

Most people doing it each way.

HONEST MAN continues in good form and followed up a course and distance win with a close-up third at Ballinrobe last time out. He's only gone up llb for that and should be on the premises again. Betabob looked like a future winner when coming home a goodfourth at Cork last time and has a chance off this mark. Hu Ha Jo has talent but doesn't always show it. He shaped well on the level latest and has bits and pieces of decent hurdles form.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 19, 2009, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 19, 2009, 04:36:48 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 19, 2009, 04:20:09 PM
Tip for Honest Man in the 6.15 at Down Royal, 12/1 at the minute

Most people doing it each way.

HONEST MAN continues in good form and followed up a course and distance win with a close-up third at Ballinrobe last time out. He's only gone up llb for that and should be on the premises again. Betabob looked like a future winner when coming home a goodfourth at Cork last time and has a chance off this mark. Hu Ha Jo has talent but doesn't always show it. He shaped well on the level latest and has bits and pieces of decent hurdles form.




Looks a wide open race but I would hope he could get up for a place...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tommy Tibbs on June 20, 2009, 01:37:45 PM
Any fancies for today lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on June 20, 2009, 02:47:44 PM
Double on Fitzroy in 4.40 and Portant fella in 5.45 i think it is.

Bet i have jinxed myself now  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 20, 2009, 03:03:14 PM
that should read eachway double TG!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on June 20, 2009, 03:04:16 PM
oops so it should i think we may have jinxed ourselves but sure fingers crossed  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 20, 2009, 03:16:20 PM
 haha here's hoping it goes the way of my mothers tip last night :D though just had hard luck on Camponologist so can only get better.. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 20, 2009, 04:49:36 PM
 :'((
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on June 20, 2009, 04:52:23 PM
Im turning my phone off next time u get a tip  >:(  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 20, 2009, 05:41:58 PM
oi have I not given you a 12/1 and a 5/1 winner this week.. Bet you're still up a few quid from my tips this week.. But FINE I'll keep them to myself from now on! Hmmph!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: supersub on June 23, 2009, 03:32:08 PM
Hmm any tips? Down a....few quid  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 23, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 23, 2009, 03:32:08 PM
Hmm any tips? Down a....few quid  :D

Yes..."never wipe your arse with a broken bottle"...only messin. No, no tips today but i fancy one at 4:30 (Coral Shores)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: supersub on June 23, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
haha oh iv learnt that one a few times now but it just doesnt seem to stick in my head - a bit like science at school!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 23, 2009, 05:24:45 PM
Tony McCoy on a few fancied horses this evening...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RGU08 on June 24, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
Folks, im heading to watch the irish derby this sunday, does anyone know when the final declarations are made for each race?

Any tips would be much appreciated  ;D

Thanks
Title: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 5 Sams on June 24, 2009, 04:57:58 PM
Anyone on "Ballyholland" at Down Royal last Sunday.....a few of our boys were on it at about 10s and cleaned up...I didnt even know it was running :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 24, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on June 24, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
Folks, im heading to watch the irish derby this sunday, does anyone know when the final declarations are made for each race?

Any tips would be much appreciated  ;D

Thanks

Decs will be up on www.irish-racing.com (http://www.irish-racing.com) at around midday on Friday.

Reckon Katiyra is worth a punt in the Pretty Polly on Saturday.

The fav should go in again in the Derby especially with the way the weather is locally - ground should be drying out nicely. Still 4/5 with Corals.  :o

Ger Lyons has one supplemented for the Railway Stakes. Can't remember the name of the colt but I saw him beat a decent Ballydoyle 2yo at Naas and he looked very promising.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RGU08 on June 25, 2009, 12:46:24 PM
Cheers Donnellys Hollow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 25, 2009, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 24, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on June 24, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
Folks, im heading to watch the irish derby this sunday, does anyone know when the final declarations are made for each race?

Any tips would be much appreciated  ;D

Thanks

Decs will be up on www.irish-racing.com (http://www.irish-racing.com) at around midday on Friday.

Reckon Katiyra is worth a punt in the Pretty Polly on Saturday.

The fav should go in again in the Derby especially with the way the weather is locally - ground should be drying out nicely. Still 4/5 with Corals.  :o

Ger Lyons has one supplemented for the Railway Stakes. Can't remember the name of the colt but I saw him beat a decent Ballydoyle 2yo at Naas and he looked very promising.

Love Lockdown is the Ger Lyons horse that you're trying to think of.

I don't do much betting during the flat season but I really can't understand how Sea the Stars is available at 4/5. Excellent value IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 30, 2009, 04:58:22 PM
Guys,

Quick question - Irish Derby at the weekend.  During week mate put bet on Fame And Glory at 5/2 (was wrote on docket at 5/2).  Went to collect winnings and owner is saying he wont pay out at 5/2 as Sea The Stars withdrew.  They cover their bets with Paddypower and supposedly Paddypower would not honour any of the antepost bets either.

I was always under the impression if the odds was wrote on the docket and money accepted by the bookie it was a binding agreement?

Anyone know otherwise?



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on June 30, 2009, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 30, 2009, 04:58:22 PM
Guys,

Quick question - Irish Derby at the weekend.  During week mate put bet on Fame And Glory at 5/2 (was wrote on docket at 5/2).  Went to collect winnings and owner is saying he wont pay out at 5/2 as Sea The Stars withdrew.  They cover their bets with Paddypower and supposedly Paddypower would not honour any of the antepost bets either.

I was always under the impression if the odds was wrote on the docket and money accepted by the bookie it was a binding agreement?

Anyone know otherwise?





Odds on the docket wont stand up as the bookies normally have a sign in shop regarding 'palpable bets' whereas if a mistake is made they are entitled to change the price.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 30, 2009, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 30, 2009, 04:58:22 PM
Guys,

Quick question - Irish Derby at the weekend.  During week mate put bet on Fame And Glory at 5/2 (was wrote on docket at 5/2).  Went to collect winnings and owner is saying he wont pay out at 5/2 as Sea The Stars withdrew.  They cover their bets with Paddypower and supposedly Paddypower would not honour any of the antepost bets either.

I was always under the impression if the odds was wrote on the docket and money accepted by the bookie it was a binding agreement?

Anyone know otherwise?





I know if its greyhound racing and a price is taken and there ends up being a non-runner the price on the bet reverts to SP...

In horseracing I would assume once the price was correct at time of bet acceptance then it would have a large rule 4 attached to it as Sea The Stars was a short price..

It should not have reverted to SP but should have paid on his price minus the Rule 4.. However if the SP returns were to be greater than the price he took minus r4 the bookie may have chosen to give him a discretionary of SP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on June 30, 2009, 05:11:20 PM
ohs and if that looks like gobbledygook I apologise.. it made sense in my head!!  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 01, 2009, 06:26:21 PM
anybody hear any word on either of the two Harry Rodgers runners in the 8 o clock tonight?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 06, 2009, 02:18:05 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 06, 2009, 04:01:04 PM
WINDSOR 6.30
CLASSIC COLORI
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on July 06, 2009, 06:34:07 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on July 06, 2009, 04:01:04 PM
WINDSOR 6.30
CLASSIC COLORI

Good Shout  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 06, 2009, 06:36:34 PM
i don't believe it, the gaaboard.com doesn't jinx my info at last  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on July 06, 2009, 08:16:10 PM
Good man Sammy, pity i got greedy and doubled it with ONL's tip, never listen to a bookie!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 06, 2009, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on July 06, 2009, 08:16:10 PM
Good man Sammy, pity i got greedy and doubled it with ONL's tip, never listen to a bookie!

Not my tip-came from the Foresters next door!!

Sorry!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on July 06, 2009, 08:25:38 PM
dont worry the childrens allowance is due tomorrow so we will eat again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on July 06, 2009, 10:08:20 PM
Needless to say I only saw Our Nail's tip  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 08, 2009, 05:30:51 PM
each way bet tonight for those interested

Lady Florence Lady Florence     5/1 SP         
KEMPTON
7:50 HANDICAP 1m 0f 0y
2009-07-08 19:50:00
Win or each way
Lady Florence
1/4 places 1,2,3
Min: £ 0.09
Max: £ 843.11Max: £ 843.11
   
Idle Power Idle Power     15/2 SP         
KEMPTON
6:20 APPRENTICE HANDICAP 0m 7f 0y
2009-07-08 18:20:00
Win or each way
Idle Power
1/5 places 1,2,3
Min: £ 0.09
Max: £ 553.74Max: £ 553.74
   
Betting options Stake E/W    Singles (2)     
Singles (2)
Min: £ 0.09
Max: £ 553.74

Double: (1)     
Double: (1) from (2)
Double
Min: £ 0.01
Max: £ 578.74
Accumulated odds: 51.00Max: £ 578.74

Maximum return limits may apply please check our Terms and ConditionsEst. returns: £1415.63

Total stake: £ 50.00
Balance: £ 0.00
Maximum return limits may apply please check our Terms and ConditionsPotential returns: £1415.63
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 08, 2009, 06:33:15 PM
thats that £50 gone - lets try to lose another £50 on a place treble

Refuse To Sell     5/4       
NAAS
7:00 HANDICAP (0-80) ( 7f
2009-07-08 19:00:00
Place Only 3 Places
Refuse To Sell   
   
Miss Lesley Miss Lesley     11/10       
KEMPTON
6:50 MAIDEN FILLIES STAKES 0m 6f 0y
2009-07-08 18:50:00
Place Only 3 Places
Miss Lesley   
   
Quil Est Beau Quil Est Beau     11/10       
WORCESTER
6:40 HANDICAP CHASE 2m 7f
2009-07-08 18:40:00
Place Only 3 Places
Quil Est Beau   
   
Betting options Stake E/W    Singles (3)     
Singles (3)

Maximum return limits may apply please check our Terms and ConditionsEst. returns: 496.13
 

Total stake: 50.00
Maximum return limits may apply please check our Terms and ConditionsPotential returns: 496.13

REFUSE TO SELL NOW FOR THE PLACE AND ITS £500 SNOOPS - shiteing myself now  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 08, 2009, 06:59:04 PM
also fancy Billie Magern to turn over the favourite in the 7.50PM...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 09, 2009, 01:22:10 PM
f**king Racing Post website have started charging for membership...

The best racing website is no more, looks like I will have to start using At The Races more now...

Before the radical changes it was the best racing site around by about 6 furlongs...  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on July 09, 2009, 01:25:55 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 09, 2009, 01:22:10 PM
f**king Racing Post website have started charging for membership...

The best racing website is no more, looks like I will have to start using At The Races more now...

Before the radical changes it was the best racing site around by about a mile...

You should have said by 6 furlongs Nail, that would have been funnier.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on July 09, 2009, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 09, 2009, 01:25:55 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 09, 2009, 01:22:10 PM
f**king Racing Post website have started charging for membership...

The best racing website is no more, looks like I will have to start using At The Races more now...

Before the radical changes it was the best racing site around by about a mile...

You should have said by 6 furlongs Nail, that would have been funnier.

But that is less than a mile
He should have said by about 8 furlongs
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 09, 2009, 01:53:22 PM
anyone heard anything about
Flash McGahon
today lads, showing plenty of interest on the exchanges as they say... ??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 09, 2009, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 09, 2009, 01:22:10 PM
f**king Racing Post website have started charging for membership...

The best racing website is no more, looks like I will have to start using At The Races more now...

Before the radical changes it was the best racing site around by about 6 furlongs...  :-\

I'd have paid for the old RP site but they really did make sh1te of it when they updated (if it ain't broke, don't fix it) it last year. ATR's website is slow as fcuk although the free video archive is handy. The results database on irish-racing.com is very good and the Sporting Life site is probably best for the latest news.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on July 09, 2009, 04:14:56 PM
heard word from 2 seperate sources for Mutaderek in Leopardstown tonight, think its running in either the 8 o clock or 830
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on July 09, 2009, 04:37:10 PM
text me the price or sign on msn
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on July 09, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
I've no credit or laptop with me! So here ya go.. It's 6's backed in from 8's here but Paddys could be different.. If ya wanna be greedy like me throw it in a double with the fav in the 6:30 who is 7/2 in from 9/2 (was also told to back him)! :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on July 09, 2009, 04:53:37 PM
il try it in paddys

but do i do 2 singles then as well , i havnt a clue how these things work il pm ya sure
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on July 11, 2009, 02:16:08 PM
Anybody doing any betting today with the racing on Channel 4?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on July 11, 2009, 03:00:50 PM
Spencer for the double in the 15.25 and 16.00

Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on July 11, 2009, 02:16:08 PM
Anybody doing any betting today with the racing on Channel 4?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on July 11, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
well half right  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 12, 2009, 03:59:46 PM
I have no time for Spencer at all

See him winning there on Sariska in the Oaks, waved at Fran Berry when passing him in the last furlong, I wuold teach the wee f**ker some manners in the weighing room
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 21, 2009, 02:17:25 PM
Dunguib fails banned substance test
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/0002420b10dr.jpg)
Tuesday, 21 July 2009 09:51
Cheltenham and Punchestown bumper winner Dunguib has tested positive for a banned substance.

The postive test was returned after the horses' win at the Paddy Power Champion Bumper at Punchestown in April.

The results of a 'B' sample are still being awaited but if the results match, Philip Fenton's stable star will be stripped of its title.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2009/0721/dunguib.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2009/0721/dunguib.html)

:-[

Looked the best bumper horse since Montelado. It'd be a pity if his wins were tainted in any way.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on July 21, 2009, 02:20:47 PM
It wasnt a performance enhancing drug I understand.Not sure of the details after that.

I havent read much about it but whats the story with the Karl Burke case at the moment?? He was warned off for a year I see.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 21, 2009, 02:44:13 PM
Karl Burke was supposedly involved in the Fergal Lynch, Darren Williams and Miles Rodgers case. I don't know too much of the details myself but it looks like the BHA are showing a zero tolerance attitude to any breach of the rules within racing at the moment: http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resources/about/whatwedo/disciplinary/disciplinaryDetail.asp?item=089882 (http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resources/about/whatwedo/disciplinary/disciplinaryDetail.asp?item=089882)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on July 21, 2009, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 21, 2009, 02:44:13 PM
Karl Burke was supposedly involved in the Fergal Lynch, Darren Williams and Miles Rodgers case. I don't know too much of the details myself but it looks like the BHA are showing a zero tolerance attitude to any breach of the rules within racing at the moment: http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resources/about/whatwedo/disciplinary/disciplinaryDetail.asp?item=089882 (http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resources/about/whatwedo/disciplinary/disciplinaryDetail.asp?item=089882)

I see that Fergal Lynch has been banned from Philadelphia racecourse for a year.They didnt mention why from what I seen.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on July 22, 2009, 11:30:11 PM
Anybody hearing anything on the Galway Races, starts this weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 23, 2009, 08:37:54 AM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on July 22, 2009, 11:30:11 PM
Anybody hearing anything on the Galway Races, starts this weekend.

I heard it was going to be MEGA busy especially on ladies day  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on July 27, 2009, 11:19:37 AM
Where are all the oul hands, with a big week ahead at the Galway Races? Treasurer, ONL, Sammy Maguire etc....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on July 27, 2009, 11:29:32 AM
http://www.irishracing.com/cards/v5card089200907271900.htm

Just got word that 3k has been placed on truckers delight in a bookies in Belfast - thats a fair wedge. I'll be having a tenner on it for the craic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 27, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
Worth a fiver alright.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on July 27, 2009, 04:50:39 PM
I think Castlebar Sling is going to be there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 27, 2009, 04:54:17 PM
TARKARI in the Opener, solid each way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on July 27, 2009, 05:04:36 PM
I've gone for Wikaala, fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 27, 2009, 05:42:33 PM
shite start, D:REAM - GLITTER BABY e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
DK Weld produces another one for the third year in a row.

Some price considering the yard he came from even allowing for the fact he was top weight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 28, 2009, 12:01:53 PM
Any fancies at Galway today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Kentucky Blue on July 28, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
12 The Rall (IRE) 
5.45
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 28, 2009, 01:55:26 PM
MY LUCKY 15 TONIGHT

5.45 Tasman
6.25 My Valley
7.00 Kaitlins Joy
8.10 Shining Armour
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cavan4ever on July 28, 2009, 02:10:37 PM
My Lucky 15

Glacezir Flyer 5.10
Tasman 5.45
Diego Garcia 6.25
Shinnng Armour 8.10
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on July 28, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
My Lucky 15:

5.10  For the Staff
5.45 Dulgodi Bob
7.00  Mirandas Girl
8.10  Senators Alibi

Bobs Pride good price at 14's in the Galway mile.  A Weld horse at 14/1 isnt seen much

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: fred the red on July 28, 2009, 04:23:29 PM
Heard a good word on Wigwam Willie in the 7.00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2009, 05:49:49 PM
Quote from: fred the red on July 28, 2009, 04:23:29 PM
Heard a good word on Wigwam Willie in the 7.00

Steer clear, I know a Willie who has swine flu.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
Reckon Deutschland could be an each way bet to nothing for the Galway Hurdle 1/4 the odds 5 places.

His hurdles mark is 25lbs lower than his chase rating so he could be well ahead of the handicapper. Normally don't bet in handicaps, especially at Galway, but I couldn't resist the 5/1 about him.
Title: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 5 Sams on July 29, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Ballyholland wins the Galway Plate at 16/1......owned by one of our committee members....and I didnt even know it was running today :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rois on July 29, 2009, 10:47:09 PM
Another Down horse running tomorrow, Carsonstown Boy. Won his last race, have no clue what his form was like previously but mite have a wee bet myself. (owned by a Carryduff man)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on July 30, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 29, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Ballyholland wins the Galway Plate at 16/1......owned by one of our committee members....and I didnt even know it was running today :'( :'(

>:( >:( Any word how much the bookies were cleaned around Newry???????????????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 5 Sams on July 30, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 30, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 29, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Ballyholland wins the Galway Plate at 16/1......owned by one of our committee members....and I didnt even know it was running today :'( :'(

>:( >:( Any word how much the bookies were cleaned around Newry???????????????

I know one of the smaller country bookies got stung for about 40 grand and lot of people havent collected yet......the owner isnt home from Galway yet and he has yet to call in to see him. :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 30, 2009, 01:12:57 PM
DEUTSCHLAND NAP of the day.

2.00 View Mount Prince
2.35 Crooked Throw nb
3.10 Aoife Costa
3.45 Slieve Mish
4.20 Dual Gales
5.00 DEUTSCHLAND NAP
5.40 No One Tells Me
6.15 Buoy George
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on July 30, 2009, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 30, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 30, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 29, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Ballyholland wins the Galway Plate at 16/1......owned by one of our committee members....and I didnt even know it was running today :'( :'(

>:( >:( Any word how much the bookies were cleaned around Newry???????????????

I know one of the smaller country bookies got stung for about 40 grand and lot of people havent collected yet......the owner isnt home from Galway yet and he has yet to call in to see him. :o

I heard mcdonnells on church was stung for 15 grand in its last race :o :o The harps will soon have an all seater stadium  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 5 Sams on July 30, 2009, 02:21:07 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 30, 2009, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 30, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 30, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 29, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Ballyholland wins the Galway Plate at 16/1......owned by one of our committee members....and I didnt even know it was running today :'( :'(

>:( >:( Any word how much the bookies were cleaned around Newry???????????????

I know one of the smaller country bookies got stung for about 40 grand and lot of people havent collected yet......the owner isnt home from Galway yet and he has yet to call in to see him. :o

I heard mcdonnells on church was stung for 15 grand in its last race :o :o The harps will soon have an all seater stadium  ;D ;D



:D :D :D We'll be buying Benny Coulter a house in Innisfree Park ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 30, 2009, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on July 30, 2009, 01:12:57 PM
DEUTSCHLAND NAP of the day.

2.00 View Mount Prince
2.35 Crooked Throw nb
3.10 Aoife Costa
3.45 Slieve Mish
4.20 Dual Gales
5.00 DEUTSCHLAND NAP
5.40 No One Tells Me
6.15 Buoy George

Shaky start but back on track with a 2nd and the last 2 winners, now its time for the race of the day  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DennistheMenace on July 30, 2009, 05:01:11 PM
On Northern Alliance e/w myself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on July 30, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
Cuan na grai e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DennistheMenace on July 30, 2009, 05:04:35 PM
Meh think I came 4th.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 30, 2009, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
Reckon Deutschland could be an each way bet to nothing for the Galway Hurdle 1/4 the odds 5 places.

His hurdles mark is 25lbs lower than his chase rating so he could be well ahead of the handicapper. Normally don't bet in handicaps, especially at Galway, but I couldn't resist the 5/1 about him.

Surprised Ruby didn't sit a bit handier on him. He showed in the Powers Gold Cup that he stays well. Might not have been able to go the pace on that ground though and certainly didn't jump too fluently.

Got the place money anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on July 30, 2009, 05:10:55 PM
Was Vital Pilot in that race?
How did it go?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DennistheMenace on July 30, 2009, 05:11:34 PM
Vital Pilot was a non-runner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on July 30, 2009, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 30, 2009, 05:11:34 PM
Vital Pilot was a non-runner.

Any word why?
Weld had said it was one of his best chances at the festival

Is he due to go again this week?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DennistheMenace on July 30, 2009, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: full back on July 30, 2009, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 30, 2009, 05:11:34 PM
Vital Pilot was a non-runner.

Any word why?
Weld had said it was one of his best chances at the festival

Is he due to go again this week?

Expected him to run well today too so must have been a late withdrawal, not sure why, won't be running if he is injured or not suited to the ground which is unlikely for a weld horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on July 30, 2009, 09:26:16 PM
Anyone hear word for anything for Galway the weekend? Am heading down tomorrow and hoping to back a few winners to pay for my weekend (some hope! :-\)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Old Bill on July 30, 2009, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 30, 2009, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 30, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 30, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 29, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Ballyholland wins the Galway Plate at 16/1......owned by one of our committee members....and I didnt even know it was running today :'( :'(

>:( >:( Any word how much the bookies were cleaned around Newry???????????????

I know one of the smaller country bookies got stung for about 40 grand and lot of people havent collected yet......the owner isnt home from Galway yet and he has yet to call in to see him. :o

I heard mcdonnells on church was stung for 15 grand in its last race :o :o The harps will soon have an all seater stadium  ;D ;D

Hear they were hit quite hard alright but sure ole mc donnell probably had most of it laid elsewhere!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rois on July 31, 2009, 12:35:58 AM
Yay, opened a Paddy Power acc to put some money on my friend's fiance's horse that I mentioned ealier, and I'm in profit. A whole £7.50, it came third.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 31, 2009, 04:33:19 PM
mostly each ways for small stakes:

5.10 Quai Du Roi
5.40 They´Llknowmenow
6.15 Battle Axe
6.50 The Last Hurrah
7.25 Viceroy Of India
7.55 Balladiene
8.25 No Stopping Sarah

good luck if you are punting later on this evening
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on July 31, 2009, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on July 31, 2009, 04:33:19 PM
mostly each ways for small stakes:

5.10 Quai Du Roi
5.40 They´Llknowmenow
6.15 Battle Axe
6.50 The Last Hurrah
7.25 Viceroy Of India
7.55 Balladiene
8.25 No Stopping Sarah

good luck if you are punting later on this evening
Bookies must love to see you coming lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 31, 2009, 09:16:20 PM
I'm ONL's plant  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 06, 2009, 06:00:11 PM
Beau Fighter in the 550 Haydock strongly fancied  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 12, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
Erdiyna - GOWRAN 8.20 have been informed this animal should win this contest this evening currently 6/4

also Toufan Express should not be out of the 4 places at 6.15 currently 8/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on August 12, 2009, 06:17:33 PM
dont want this to come out the wrong way but is there any point in tipping favourites?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 12, 2009, 06:23:45 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 12, 2009, 06:17:33 PM
dont want this to come out the wrong way but is there any point in tipping favourites?

do all favourites win??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on August 12, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
no but most of your tips dont either  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 12, 2009, 06:31:24 PM
not my tips... I am only the messenger, I am not a tipster  :-* do as you see fit, lay it on Betfair cos you are right, the stuff I stick on here has a tendency to bomb out
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Cowboy Bob on August 12, 2009, 06:57:08 PM
My Trig would beat any horse in this thread in a race

Yee ha
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on August 12, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 12, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
no but most of your tips dont either  ;)

well Erdiyna did win.  Cheers Sammy   :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 13, 2009, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on August 12, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 12, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
no but most of your tips dont either  ;)

well Erdiyna did win.  Cheers Sammy   :)

1 of the better ones for sure, won on the bridle, whip never used..., looked like it should have been an odds on price - hope there was a few more on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on August 13, 2009, 08:32:30 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 13, 2009, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on August 12, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 12, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
no but most of your tips dont either  ;)

well Erdiyna did win.  Cheers Sammy   :)

1 of the better ones for sure, won on the bridle, whip never used..., looked like it should have been an odds on price - hope there was a few more on.
Didnt mean it as a slant on you Sammy , i just prefer to see a 10/1 shot come in!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 13, 2009, 08:36:35 AM
I'd love to be on a 50/1 or 66/1 shot but they don't happen that often so when I hear there is a horse that should win a particular race, regardless of the price, its still nice to take a few pound of the bookie  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 14, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
Markazzi in the 1.20 at Newbury, you can get 11/5 on Betfair, the word is this horse is a machine (don't blame me if it turns out to be a Massey 35)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on August 14, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 14, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
Markazzi in the 1.20 at Newbury, you can get 11/5 on Betfair, the word is this horse is a machine (don't blame me if it turns out to be a Massey 35)

This horse should only be associated with one type of machine

A machine gun............ :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 14, 2009, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 14, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
Markazzi in the 1.20 at Newbury, you can get 11/5 on Betfair, the word is this horse is a machine (don't blame me if it turns out to be a Massey 35)

I gave up backing Richard Hills' mounts years ago. The guy is an absolutely shocking jock. Why Sheik Hamdan retains him, I don't know.

At least King Kieren is back in a few weeks. One of the few of the flat boys I'd trust with my hard earned. Roll on the national hunt!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on August 15, 2009, 10:33:33 AM
Evasive 6/4 this morning. Not a great price i know but if it wins it better than a kick in the bollix.

It has been running in group 1 races lately but now drops down to a group 2 race and is back to it's better distance of 7f
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on August 15, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
Results
Nottingham
3:45 | 5 Leceile (Hayley Turner, 7-2 joint-fav);  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 15, 2009, 08:02:18 PM
It looks like Godolphin have ruined another promising horse in Evasive. His run today doesn't say much for Mastercraftsman's form ahead of his meeting with Sea The Stars on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on August 15, 2009, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 14, 2009, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 14, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
Markazzi in the 1.20 at Newbury, you can get 11/5 on Betfair, the word is this horse is a machine (don't blame me if it turns out to be a Massey 35)

I gave up backing Richard Hills' mounts years ago. The guy is an absolutely shocking jock. Why Sheik Hamdan retains him, I don't know.

At least King Kieren is back in a few weeks. One of the few of the flat boys I'd trust with my hard earned. Roll on the national hunt!

Roll on the NH is right...Hate that flat racing had a £1 yankee today 7/1 beat on line .....8/1 beat online 6/5 winner and the other stuffed......Dont like sprints when your horse is crusing and cant get space....joke...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 15, 2009, 08:15:49 PM
Them big field sprint handicaps in England are a complete lottery. The draw bias at some tracks make it next to impossible to find a winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2009, 04:56:20 PM
18 August 2009
15:25 York - Juddmonte International Stakes (Group 1)
Age: 3yo+       Distance: 1m2f 88yards       Going: Good to firm

1(1) Georgebernardshaw  4 9-5  C O'Donoghue  AP O'Brien (Ballydoyle, Co. Tipperary, Ire.)

2(4) Tartan Bearer  4 9-5  R Moore  Sir M Stoute (Newmarket) NON-RUNNER

3(2) Mastercraftsman  3 8-11  JP Murtagh  AP O'Brien (Ballydoyle, Co. Tipperary, Ire.)

4(3) Sea The Stars  3 8-11  MJ Kinane  J Oxx (Currabeg, Co. Kildare, Ire.)

5(5) Set Sail  3 8-11  JA Heffernan  AP O'Brien (Ballydoyle, Co. Tipperary, Ire.)


What's the point in dragging them all over to Yorkshire for this? Might as well run it at the Curragh now that Tartan Bearer is out!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 01, 2009, 01:39:41 PM
2 tips today lads

The first being Danish Monarch 2-40 NA currently 13/2
The second being Toi Express 4-20 NA currently 11/1

g/l if you have a go
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on September 01, 2009, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 01, 2009, 01:39:41 PM
2 tips today lads

The first being Danish Monarch 2-40 NA currently 13/2
The second being Toi Express 4-10 NA currently 11/1

g/l if you have a go
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 01, 2009, 04:48:42 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 01, 2009, 01:39:41 PM
2 tips today lads

The first being Danish Monarch 2-40 NA currently 13/2
The second being Toi Express 4-20 NA currently 11/1

g/l if you have a go

two donkeys still running round Newton Abbott, sh1te.

gonna have a little flutter on the following (place treble and an e/w accy)

5.00pm Jackday

5.20pm Bolanderi

6.35pm Gracious Girl
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 01, 2009, 05:22:21 PM
Hi sammy you'd stop the Dublin Express saan FFS :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 01, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
did you manage to miss that 10/1 winner ?? when you were typing illdecide ;)

a place double on the first 2 returned 5/2  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 03, 2009, 05:06:23 PM
Having a go at these this evening. I was also told there is a horse running called BOND something or something BOND @ Wolverhampton but I think that could be one of 3 or 4 later on  ???

5.35  Covert Ambition
7.50  Aspro Marvo
8.20  Leahurst

LAY AWAY TIL YOUR HEARTS ARE CONTENT  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 03, 2009, 05:49:16 PM
Anyone for Lepordstown on Saturday? Looks as if the weather could make a mess of it with a lot of star names looking likely to miss it because of the going.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 04, 2009, 12:49:21 PM
Catterick 3.30 - Puy Darnac 2/1 NAP  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: nobackdoor on September 04, 2009, 02:09:15 PM
A dire race to give a nap in. IMO, anyone of the field could win this donkey derby. Nap that ur horse doesn't win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: nobackdoor on September 04, 2009, 03:35:56 PM
Well done Sam. Mea culpa  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 04, 2009, 03:36:37 PM
would you like to retract that one nobackdoor!!  :-*

It was 11/4 five minutes before the off too!!!   :D  :D  ;D  ;D  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on September 04, 2009, 03:40:25 PM
Sammy a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 04, 2009, 04:15:45 PM
Doogie - don't knock it, the horse won. I was told this one would repeat its win from 12 days ago  :o

you might want to have a little look at Miss Keck too in the 5pm same jockey/trainer combo although there  are a few more dangers in this one (especially promise maker)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 04, 2009, 04:47:06 PM
I'm away out after this so last post for a while - Kempton little double on

Mendip    6/4 SP         
KEMPTON
6:50 MAIDEN STAKES 1m
2009-09-04 18:50:00
Win or each way
Mendip
1/5 places 1,2,3   

Arte Viva  3/1 SP         
KEMPTON
7:50 CONDITIONS STAKES 7f
2009-09-04 19:50:00
Win or each way
Arte Viva
1/4 places 1,2   

Total stake: 20.00
Est. returns: 200.00

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on September 05, 2009, 08:23:29 AM
Anyone watching the morning line.....

Emma Spencer is one fine filly!


Lol I sound like big Mac there... :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 05, 2009, 10:46:31 AM
Connections expect Rock And Roll Kid to win the 2:25 at Haydock. Of course connections often expect their horse to win, but I pass it on for what it's worth. 8/1, 10 on Betfair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2009, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: Hardy on September 05, 2009, 10:46:31 AM
Connections expect Rock And Roll Kid to win the 2:25 at Haydock. Of course connections often expect their horse to win, but I pass it on for what it's worth. 8/1, 10 on Betfair.

sure we will throw a few sheckles on it hardy for interest sake
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 05, 2009, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Hardy on September 05, 2009, 10:46:31 AM
Connections expect Rock And Roll Kid to win the 2:25 at Haydock. Of course connections often expect their horse to win, but I pass it on for what it's worth. 8/1, 10 on Betfair.

Form guide from PP for that race...

Going: Sprint: good-good to soft in places; remainder: soft-heavy in places

A competitive Listed race in which CONFRONT is taken to add to his York gains where he had to share the spoils with Dream Eater. He did well to win that race over an inadequate trip and Sir Michael Stoute's colt can be expected to improve again now back to a mile. Rio De La Plata makes his seasonal bow after a long absence but he is top-class at his best and should figure, while Ordnance Row is as game as they come and won't mind the soft ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 05, 2009, 12:37:50 PM
captain dunne in the 1.55 at haydock should be a good each way bet today too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2009, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2009, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: Hardy on September 05, 2009, 10:46:31 AM
Connections expect Rock And Roll Kid to win the 2:25 at Haydock. Of course connections often expect their horse to win, but I pass it on for what it's worth. 8/1, 10 on Betfair.

sure we will throw a few sheckles on it hardy for interest sake

not a winner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on September 05, 2009, 02:55:31 PM
5251-5965-01     1811868     Open
Result date    Returns
-    £0.00
Bet date    Potential winnings
05-09-2009 13:45:10    £180.23
Type    Stake
Yankee    £9.90

Event    Choice    ODDS    H/OU    Res 1    Res 2    Half
30096898809
CONFRONT
2.25 Haydock    W
   SP         1    0    0
30096898925
MONSIEUR CHEVALI
2.10 Kempton    W
   11/8         0    3    0
30096898933
KIRKLEES
2.40 Kempton    W
   6/4         0    0    0
30096898947
MUSLEH
3.10 Kempton    W
   2/1         0    0    0



Done this earlier....Would have had a nice sweat if Mr Chevallier had have won...

If the last wins i'll still get 60 or so...Not bad for a tenner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on September 05, 2009, 03:59:45 PM
5252-6114-01     1811868     Open
Result date    Returns
-    £0.00
Bet date    Potential winnings
05-09-2009 15:39:58    £0.00
Stake
£20.00

Event    Choice    ODDS    H/OU    Res 1    Res 2    Half
30096899155
SEA THE STARS
3.50 Leopardstown    W
   4/6         1    0    0
30096899716
RANGEFINDER
3.40 Thirsk    W
   SP         1    0    0


Get in my son...7/2 and 4/6

150 from 20

I'm Stoping now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on September 05, 2009, 04:49:16 PM
See the Stars romps it. 4/6 Nice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 05, 2009, 06:55:49 PM
Just home from Leopardstown a half an hour ago. Some performance from Sea The Stars. I'm not old enough to remember Nijinsky, Shergar or Sir Ivor so this colt is easily the best racehorse I've ever seen on the level. I've never witnessed a reception like it for a flat horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on September 07, 2009, 05:03:24 PM
lads what about fallon today. had a 225/1 treble up.legend. any bhoys on it.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2009, 07:48:02 PM
Hopefully he'll stay out of trouble now and get himself back to the top. No better jock riding on the flat than King Kieren. I've had a small bet on him to be champion jockey for 2010. That moody plonker Ryan Moore will be tough to beat with all the steering jobs he gets from Stoute but if Fallon can keep getting decent rides from the likes of Cumani and Channon, he'll push him all the way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 08, 2009, 03:01:39 PM
Eye Candy sedg 3.35
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on September 08, 2009, 04:19:07 PM
nice one sammy, was lloking dodgy for a minute.photo finish
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on September 08, 2009, 04:21:29 PM
Good man Sammy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 08, 2009, 04:22:27 PM
never in doubt  ;)

Sarahs Gift and Day of the Eagle are also worth having a go at with your winnings

gotta be quick though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 08, 2009, 04:31:25 PM
balls, that one never got involved til FAR too late and hopefully I put it on far too late for anyone to back

Sarah's Gift 4.45 now

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on September 08, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
cantered home..good man sam
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 08, 2009, 05:49:18 PM
glad you got on... last one for the day - Gleaming Silver, Dundalk 7.55pm 11/2 good each way shot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on September 08, 2009, 06:08:11 PM
sammy if this one in dundalk comes in you will make me a very happy man.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 08, 2009, 09:53:52 PM
sorry ger, it was a disappointing run from gleaming silver, connections are scratching their heads as to why it was not in the reckoning at the end, apols
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 09, 2009, 04:19:02 PM
4.50 DONCASTER

3pts e/w RASAMAN (8-1, from 12/1)

5.25 DONCASTER

1pt win ROTHESAY DANCER (12-1)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on September 09, 2009, 09:22:10 PM
Lol god u talk some dung to sammy giving points with your tips,if i went tru all ur tips and put the same on each bet id be down a fortune,lol same everyday,u hit the odd aul 9/4 winner,some picking lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 09, 2009, 10:06:25 PM
you fool family man you fool, lets see your picks you fool.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on September 10, 2009, 01:32:26 PM
any picks the days boys?

eastern aria looks a decent thing to me, big weight advantage over fanjura and johnston in good form at minute
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on September 10, 2009, 01:37:37 PM
Johnston has some about of horses out today,  think 11 or 12

Going for Frutti Tutti tonight in the last at Tipp
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 10, 2009, 01:42:09 PM
Racing Post Comp (Co-ordinated Cut is meant to be a bit of a machine and Tanoura is also well fancied) 

14:00 Crownhotel-bawtry.com E.B.F. Maiden Stakes (Str)
25 points to win on Coordinated Cut at 5/6

Bet on Coordinated Cut for real at 

14:35 Robinsons Designer Fashion At Bawtry Handicap
10 points to win on Fanjura at 5/2

Bet on Fanjura for real at 

15:10 Weatherbys Insurance 300,000 2-y-o Stakes
10 points to win on Taajub at 11/10

Bet on Taajub for real at 

15:45 DFS Park Hill Stakes (Fillies' Group 2)
20 points to win on Tanoura at 7/4

Bet on Tanoura for real at 

16:20 E.B.F. Carrie Red Fillies' Nursery Handicap
5 points each-way (10 points total) on Water Biscuit at 8/1

Bet on Water Biscuit for real at 

16:50 Japan Racing Association Sceptre Stakes (Fillies' Listed)
15 points to win on Fantasia at 4/6

Bet on Fantasia for real at 

17:25 Meadowhall Fabulous Fashionista Handicap
5 points each-way (10 points total) on Tagula Night at 11/2

Bet on Tagula Night for real at 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on September 10, 2009, 01:49:45 PM
co-ordinated cut an tanoura double the bet today then?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 10, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
no didn't bother with the double but good luck on Tanoura if you are on...

gonna back Bended Knee at Chepstow 4.05 too

any tips for us family man to make a few bob?

thats enough of that, Kinane gave that horse WAY too much to do and Bended Knee beaten by a neck on the line  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on September 11, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: Joxer on September 10, 2009, 01:37:37 PM
Johnston has some about of horses out today,  think 11 or 12

Going for Frutti Tutti tonight in the last at Tipp

Came in at 100/30

Not bad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on September 11, 2009, 09:17:17 PM
Nah no tips done be home to late,check my post on this and youl find im 4 from 4,dont be shouting 5 fancied horses a day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on September 11, 2009, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 10, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
no didn't bother with the double but good luck on Tanoura if you are on...

gonna back Bended Knee at Chepstow 4.05 too

any tips for us family man to make a few bob?

thats enough of that, Kinane gave that horse WAY too much to do and Bended Knee beaten by a neck on the line  >:(

an 8/11 hammered always good to see,did u get word for it lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on September 12, 2009, 12:28:42 PM
poets voice the first at doncaster my pick for today, possible double with yeats.wheres the rest of the money going today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 12, 2009, 01:55:14 PM
Wouldn't fancy Yeats on that ground and he probably needs further than 1m6 nowadays. He's ran in the race three times previously and the only time he's won was two years ago when he only scraped home from Scorpion. The fact that Aidan and Johnny have gone to Donny says it all.

Chinese White is in great form at the moment and I think she'll turn over the Godolphin horse in the Blandford. Interesting that Bolger is pitching Chabal straight into the National Stakes after only winning his maiden last weekend. He's won this twice in three years with sons of Galileo.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 12, 2009, 03:18:14 PM
2 11/8 winners there lads. Well done.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 14, 2009, 04:41:20 PM
Tanfidh  fancied to win
LEICESTER
5.00

Jack Finch to place
Listowel
5.15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 14, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 14, 2009, 04:41:20 PM
Tanfidh  fancied to win
LEICESTER
5.00

Jack Finch to place
Listowel
5.15

To place at 4/1? Hardly worth going to the bookies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 14, 2009, 05:20:05 PM
I'd take an even money winner all day, 100% profit but this was pure unadulterated shite!

shocking days racing  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on September 14, 2009, 05:44:14 PM
i think there should be a seperate thread for Sammys tips
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 14, 2009, 05:48:36 PM
No Grouse e/w in the lucky last at Musselburgh

and an e/w saver on Franny Norton who is having a stonking day! Needy Mccredie

well better than a kick in the spuds 25/1 2nd    ;)


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 14, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
Quote from: Madge on September 14, 2009, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 14, 2009, 05:20:05 PM
I'd take an even money winner all day, 100% profit but this was pure unadulterated shite!

shocking days racing  :o

Thats the thing though its not an even money winner for a 4/1 place, you just get your money back, 0% profit.

Madge you stick to shagging Harold  ::)  you can back to place alone, (although you lose out on the winning price if your horse actually wins) its not an e/way bet, have a look at Paddy Power/Betfair websites, not all bookies do this bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Ulster Exile on September 14, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
Quote from: Madge on September 14, 2009, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 14, 2009, 05:20:05 PM
I'd take an even money winner all day, 100% profit but this was pure unadulterated shite!

shocking days racing  :o

Thats the thing though its not an even money winner for a 4/1 place, you just get your money back, 0% profit.


Well thats not really bloody well worth it then.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 14, 2009, 08:21:29 PM
Quote from: Madge on September 14, 2009, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 14, 2009, 05:20:05 PM
I'd take an even money winner all day, 100% profit but this was pure unadulterated shite!

shocking days racing  :o

Thats the thing though its not an even money winner for a 4/1 place, you just get your money back, 0% profit.

That's my point!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 14, 2009, 09:24:49 PM
4/1 each way at a quarter the odds is actually a very popular bet. Before Cheltenham, plenty of people I know took the 4/1 that was available about Punchestowns for the Stayers Hurdle. No one could see the horse out of the first three so we all backed it e/w.

If you're sure a horse at 4/1 is a cert to place then back it e/w. Look on it as a free win bet.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 14, 2009, 10:15:50 PM
Who was offerring 1/4 the odds for the 5.15 at Listowel?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 15, 2009, 08:46:07 AM
I'm not talking about an each way bet, i.e. £10 e/w at 4/1 means spending £20 where if it comes second you get your money back, I was simply talking of a single PLACE bet for the horse to run into the top 4 in this race so you stick your £20 on at even money so if it finishes in the top 4 you get £40 back, but you feel a bit gutted IF it wins and you lose out on £40 of winnings if it did.  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 15, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
At the risk of being lambasted by the resident tipsters  ;) Listowel e/w (not place bets) today:

3.25 Sassy Gal

4.55 Kardyls Hope

5.25 Maggie the Cat (beaten by a nose on the line @ 8/1  >:()

also BAWAARDII gotta be the NAP in the 3.20 at Lingfield (good winner) and 4.20 Chandrayaan also a solid PLACE bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 16, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
A few for the notebook today lads, ignore at your peril

2.55 Sandown Zeitoper win
2.55 Listowel Slieve Mish
4.35 Listowel Hill Fairy e/w
5.05 Listowel Loosen My Load

adh mor ort
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 16, 2009, 03:08:59 PM
decent start  ;D just got told that Red Jade in the 3.55 Yar was a good e/w bet

I also like La Capriosa in the 3.10 Bev and Right Rave at 6.20 Kemp
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sandy Hill on September 16, 2009, 04:22:01 PM
Just been told to back Paco Jack ew at Listowel! Don't blame me if it doesn't!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 16, 2009, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on September 16, 2009, 04:22:01 PM
Just been told to back Paco Jack ew at Listowel! Don't blame me if it doesn't!!!!

2nd favourite drifting in the biggest race of the day.... thanks for that Alex Hammond but I'm sticking with Hill Fairy and might take a little of the 10's on offer for Star of Germany
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 16, 2009, 05:40:03 PM
having a decent day today (imagine that) so WILD ROSE will also get a slap now at 5.45 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 16, 2009, 05:49:35 PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on September 16, 2009, 05:52:14 PM
im glad that you are giving updates on all of your tips now, keep it up!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 16, 2009, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: ludermor on September 16, 2009, 05:52:14 PM
im glad that you are giving updates on all of your tips now, keep it up!

Is that a well done ludermor  :P ? lovin' it

RIGHT RAVE proving very popular, was 8's earlier on now into 9/2 so fingers crossed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on September 17, 2009, 02:12:06 AM
Does anybody else wana hear sammy magurie slabber on alday about his 5 pound bets hes doin the homo???Why not start a sammy maguire thread just for him to go on about,thought it was horse racing tips not fancies and he fancies about 8 horses a day...????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on September 17, 2009, 07:22:41 AM
Quote from: Family guy on September 17, 2009, 02:12:06 AM
Does anybody else wana hear sammy magurie slabber on alday about his 5 pound bets hes doin the homo???Why not start a sammy maguire thread just for him to go on about,thought it was horse racing tips not fancies and he fancies about 8 horses a day...????

What's the title of the thread?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 08:50:48 AM
Family guy, no need for the abusive language, its a friendly show on here, we don't mind banter or slagging if a horse gets pulled up or finishes last but really if you are not interested in looking at the thread and reading "tips" or "info" then stay off it  8) plus there were loads of winners on here today and when you stick up a horse and it comes nowhere you know the reaction it will inevitably bring which is why so few others actually bother

so............. any more offensive comments I will hunt you down and chop of your nose!  :-*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on September 17, 2009, 09:49:30 AM

Any tips today lads?

Getting me dole today and fancy doubling ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hectorsheroes on September 17, 2009, 12:16:56 PM
Family Guy - if you don't want his tips, don't read the thread and do one.

Fair play to you Sammy Maguire keep em comin
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on September 17, 2009, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on September 17, 2009, 12:16:56 PM
Family Guy - if you don't want his tips, don't read the thread and do one.

They arent his tips, they are his fancies
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on September 17, 2009, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on September 17, 2009, 12:16:56 PM
Family Guy - if you don't want his tips, don't read the thread and do one.

They arent his tips, they are his fancies
That is the subtle difference, Sammy just lists reams of nags that he himself fancies, 9 times out of 10 they are dicked.  I agree though, no need to chastise him, just ignore his fancies I do and I have saved myself a fortune  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 17, 2009, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on September 17, 2009, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on September 17, 2009, 12:16:56 PM
Family Guy - if you don't want his tips, don't read the thread and do one.

They arent his tips, they are his fancies
That is the subtle difference, Sammy just lists reams of nags that he himself fancies, 9 times out of 10 they are dicked.  I agree though, no need to chastise him, just ignore his fancies I do and I have saved myself a fortune  ;D

must admit i have done the same :D , however i do enjoy sammy's fancies  however i just hope that sammy hasn't put a bet on every horse that he lists here otherwise he wouldn't have a penny to his name
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on September 17, 2009, 12:16:56 PM
Family Guy - if you don't want his tips, don't read the thread and do one.

They arent his tips, they are his fancies
Don't worry lads I won't be starting up a thread asking for a sub any time soon....

Wrong full back. Some are fancies and some are tips but just to let you know I am in touch with guys in england who have contacts in some of the best known stables in UK racing as well as a few lads in Ireland... info I get I cannot blurt out as info but whatever I do put online, here and elsewhere, I will have a punt on (all £2.50 e/w  ::) ) Maybe I should just copy and paste my winning betslips after the race is over?

Its easy to slag lads I would love to see a few other tips being put up on here whether they are fancies or info.

All I am doing is trying to put out there "triers" - and as we all know they don't always win and the reason I stick on so many is that I get hold of alot of stuff and there are some horses that I fancy myself (I'm not forcing anyone to back them)...

3.25 Listowel Green Mile win 4/1
3.55 Listowel High Queen - e/w 10/1
4.20 Ayr Demolition e/w 12/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 01:49:59 PM
I got this email at 9.50am yesterday but I totally forgot about it and I never backed it 

dads share runs today 450 bev its called EPIC

the horse took a long time to recover from its 2nd run as the message straight after was it would be out quickly b4 being stepped up in trip after recieving its handicap mark.

the message today is that they think this is a poor race but has to give a bit of weight to horses with better form at this stage. the draw is the biggest negative but its fancied to run well.
very suprised its so short on betfair. would be very very disappointed if its not placed if not win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
2 down...  ??? pretty sh1t.

Plaisterer same race as Demolition should love the ground and they reckon it's the one to beat, going to hang off the pace and come through late.

Spirit of the Nation in the 4.50 at Ayr
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on September 17, 2009, 04:27:20 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
Wrong full back. Some are fancies and some are tips but just to let you know I am in touch with guys in england who have contacts in some of the best known stables in UK racing as well as a few lads in Ireland... info I get I cannot blurt out as info but whatever I do put online, here and elsewhere, I will have a punt on (all £2.50 e/w  ::) )

It would be beneficial if you would differentiate bewteen your fancies & the tips you receive ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 04:27:20 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
Wrong full back. Some are fancies and some are tips but just to let you know I am in touch with guys in england who have contacts in some of the best known stables in UK racing as well as a few lads in Ireland... info I get I cannot blurt out as info but whatever I do put online, here and elsewhere, I will have a punt on (all £2.50 e/w  ::) )

It would be beneficial if you would differentiate bewteen your fancies & the tips you receive ;)

I don't have to put anything on here at all never mind say whether stuff is a fancy or a tip but you can be rest assured most of the stuff is info as I don't spend all day reading the RP. Also, when a talking horse gets beat then I don't want to take the blame for some poor sod reading something that I stuck up on here and losing £100 becuase I was told it was a dead cert... The reason I post on here is that I like the GAA fraternity so I choose to throw some stuff out there in the hope someone could take a few quid off a bookie. Did you back that 12/1 winner at Ayr there FB? Exacta paid £47.70
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on September 17, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 04:48:30 PM
The reason I post on here is that I like the GAA fraternity so I choose to throw some stuff out there in the hope someone could take a few quid off a bookie. Did you back that 12/1 winner at Ayr there FB? Exacta paid £47.70

Lord knows what you do to your enemies


Didnt back it Sammy, I didnt know if it was a tip or a fancy ;)


Perhaps we should get a competition going for a few days a week where a man/woman posts their 2 tips/fancies of the day & see how we get on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
you could be on to something there fb... might cut out some of the slagging if anyone could actually pick a winner then they can throw out digs... I am a real cruel man to those I hate, I tell them I have nailed on info and to get the mortgage on it  :-\

just wait til the National Hunt gets going in earnest shortly and then we'll see some winners  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 17, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
you could be on to something there fb... might cut out some of the slagging if anyone could actually pick a winner then they can throw out digs... I am a real cruel man to those I hate, I tell them I have nailed on info and to get the mortgage on it  :-\

just wait til the National Hunt gets going in earnest shortly and then we'll see some winners  ::)  ::)

ill be riding a winner in 5 minutes ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 17, 2009, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 17, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
you could be on to something there fb... might cut out some of the slagging if anyone could actually pick a winner then they can throw out digs... I am a real cruel man to those I hate, I tell them I have nailed on info and to get the mortgage on it  :-\

just wait til the National Hunt gets going in earnest shortly and then we'll see some winners  ::)  ::)

ill be riding a winner in 5 minutes ;)

What's his name?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 17, 2009, 05:27:03 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 17, 2009, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 17, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
you could be on to something there fb... might cut out some of the slagging if anyone could actually pick a winner then they can throw out digs... I am a real cruel man to those I hate, I tell them I have nailed on info and to get the mortgage on it  :-\

just wait til the National Hunt gets going in earnest shortly and then we'll see some winners  ::)  ::)

ill be riding a winner in 5 minutes ;)

What's his name?

:D Ya wouldn't know him saan ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on September 17, 2009, 05:28:36 PM
begins with S
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 17, 2009, 05:27:03 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 17, 2009, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 17, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
you could be on to something there fb... might cut out some of the slagging if anyone could actually pick a winner then they can throw out digs... I am a real cruel man to those I hate, I tell them I have nailed on info and to get the mortgage on it  :-\

just wait til the National Hunt gets going in earnest shortly and then we'll see some winners  ::)  ::)

ill be riding a winner in 5 minutes ;)

What's his name?

:D Ya wouldn't know him saan ;)

are you finally coming out illdecide? strange way to do it but each to their own   :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on September 17, 2009, 05:52:15 PM
Why did u edit ur wee kiss sammy  :o :o are u coming out too - ah well each to their own
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: space rabbit on September 17, 2009, 05:55:36 PM
Who is riding who here ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2009, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on September 17, 2009, 05:52:15 PM
Why did u edit ur wee kiss sammy  :o :o are u coming out too - ah well each to their own

when i looked at it after i put it on looked queer as hell alright, however, for you TG   :-*   :-*   :-*   :-*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 17, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
I'm straight as a nail saan ;) there's no bum bashing in my house ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lfdown2 on September 17, 2009, 07:02:58 PM
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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 18, 2009, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 17, 2009, 07:02:58 PM
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Very good :D :D :D

Anyway lets gets back to the riding...Sammy what ya reckon today saan?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
Newmarket 2.30 Timepiece short price but should win
Newbury 3.20 - Lunar Victory is up against a short price fav in a 6 runner race so only 2 places but at 13/2 is decent value
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gunnar mrydal on September 18, 2009, 12:46:58 PM
looks like iv missed alot of action on here, sammy how ya been getting on?  advice much apprciiated!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on September 18, 2009, 01:28:07 PM
Richielieu in the 7.50 tonight in Wolverhampton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 01:58:17 PM
Quote from: gunnar mrydal on September 18, 2009, 12:46:58 PM
looks like iv missed alot of action on here, sammy how ya been getting on?  advice much apprciiated!

up and down gunnar hit a nice 12/1 winner yesterday... not a whole lot in the offing today - got some of Timepiece at 6/4 so will see how that fairs although more interested in Lunar Victory this afternoon

Just been told about this little lot (no dead certs but you'll get a run for your money) 
3.30 List- Castle Bar Sling- 12-1 good e/w
4.00 List- Tosach Nua- good draw 5/1
4.30 Newb- The Which Doctor, didnt handle track last time out, take 6/1 now

Joxer's tip has also been mentioned as one that looks wrongly priced by the bookies and should attract some money
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
Harrier's Call ridden by Declan O'Donoghue also a major fancy more so than Castle Bar.... in the 3.30  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 18, 2009, 04:07:03 PM
Contender for ride of the season there at Listowel from Declan McDonogh on Maggie The Cat. The filly planted herself in the stalls at the start and lost around ten lengths. McDonogh managed to get her up on the line in a 7 furlong race!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 15, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
At the risk of being lambasted by the resident tipsters  ;) Listowel e/w (not place bets) today:

3.25 Sassy Gal

4.55 Kardyls Hope

5.25 Maggie the Cat (beaten by a nose on the line @ 8/1  >:()

also BAWAARDII gotta be the NAP in the 3.20 at Lingfield (good winner) and 4.20 Chandrayaan also a solid PLACE bet.

I missed it today  >:(  >:(  >:(  where the fcuk was i going with O'Donoghue ?? working too hard today  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 18, 2009, 04:07:03 PM
Contender for ride of the season there at Listowel from Declan McDonogh on Maggie The Cat. The filly planted herself in the stalls at the start and lost around ten lengths. McDonogh managed to get her up on the line in a 7 furlong race!

got matched at 109/1 on Betfair for £40
(all winning bets here)
11.00      £120     
13.50      £78     
14.00      £26     
20.00      £33     
22.00      £89     
23.00      £218     
24.00      £7     
25.00      £20     
26.00      £39     
30.00      £23     
32.00      £48     
34.00      £12     
40.00      £26     
42.00      £200     
50.00      £232     
55.00      £50     
60.00      £56     
80.00      £91     
85.00      £174     
90.00      £74     
95.00      £54     
100.00      £24     
110.00      £40   
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
Which Doctor got me a few quid back on a poor enough day  :-\

last one today folks I fancy PIRES strongly at Listowel 5.05
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on September 18, 2009, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
last one today folks I fancy PIRES strongly at Listowel 5.05

Good lad sammy
I almost backed that nag
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 05:22:14 PM
Quote from: full back on September 18, 2009, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 18, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
last one today folks I fancy PIRES strongly at Listowel 5.05

Good lad sammy
I almost backed that nag

your welcome fb  :D  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 19, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
CRITICAL MOMENT 435 NEWBURY NAP
4.50 Newmarket Thief Of Time
5.00 Ayr Lang Shining
5.35 Ayr Conquisto

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 21, 2009, 02:22:56 PM
Only got Thrill 3.30 Kempton and Deirdre at 3.00  :-\ 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 22, 2009, 11:05:58 AM
I'LL BE LUMPING MY £2.50 E/W ON IRON STEVE STRATFORD 5.10 currently 13/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on September 22, 2009, 11:25:27 AM
Question for you racing heads - how crooked is the sport ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on September 22, 2009, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: man in black on September 22, 2009, 11:25:27 AM
Question for you racing heads - how crooked is the sport ?
As straight as Elton John.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 22, 2009, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on September 22, 2009, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: man in black on September 22, 2009, 11:25:27 AM
Question for you racing heads - how crooked is the sport ?
As straight as Elton John.
or Gok Wan  :D (http://rantersparadise.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/gok-wan.jpg) horse racing straight ??  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on September 22, 2009, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 22, 2009, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on September 22, 2009, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: man in black on September 22, 2009, 11:25:27 AM
Question for you racing heads - how crooked is the sport ?
As straight as Elton John.
or Gok Wan  :D (http://rantersparadise.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/gok-wan.jpg) horse racing straight ??  :o

Who's she ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 22, 2009, 02:41:07 PM
Quote from: man in black on September 22, 2009, 11:25:27 AM
Question for you racing heads - how crooked is the sport ?

Horse Racing has cleaned itself up significantly over the past decade. Traditional bookmakers were up in arms that the advent of the betting exchanges and the laying of horses would encourage skulduggery but given the merciless way that Betfair is policed, it makes pulling strokes very difficult these days. Any abnormal laying patterns on a horse are flagged up on the system.

Handicap races are a necessary evil in racing and IMO, they encourage trainers not to run horses on their merits. Why would a trainer consistently have a horse running at 100% if it is likely to keep his handicap rating high. If a horse has gone up 10lbs+ in the ratings, the trainer is likely to give the horse a few runs over unsuitable distances, tracks or ground in order for the horse to drop back down to a winnable mark. Its because of this that I try to avoid punting in handicaps for the most part. I try to limit my betting to conditions races where the majority of horses will be running on their merits.

The best betting opportunities in racing will be coming up over the next two to three months as far as I'm concerned, with the National Hunt season proper starting up. Top novice hurdlers running in begginers chases offer tremendous value in my experience. Most will be going off around the even money mark which is terrific value considering that most of these horses will be over a stone superior to the rest of their opposition. You are simply taking around even money on the horse putting in a clear round of jumping. The likes of Mikael D'Haguenet, Cousin Vinny, Pandorama, Jered, Venalmar, China Rock, Black Harry, Medermit, Bensalem, Weapons Amnesty, Copper Bleu, Sommersby and Mad Max will all be making their chasing debuts in the next month or two. I had my biggest bet in a long time on Kangaroo Court at Uttoxeter on Sunday on his chasing debut to get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 22, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
good write up DH and your highlighted horses are all excellently bred and trained horses (even the Nicky Henderson ones) although the skill of picking them out on the right day is the litmus test that we all aspire to getting right
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 22, 2009, 04:51:24 PM
I think all of the ones mentioned are going chasing and I don't think many of them will be beaten in their begginers Sammy. You could even throw in a few more like Osana (with Edward O'Grady now) and Diamond Harry.

Last year Forpadydeplasterer won his beginners chase with an SP of 9/10, Cooldine at 6/4, Made In Taipan 2/1, Aran Concerto Evs, Trafford Lad 9/10, Siegemaster 6/4. All these horses were running against moderate horses that they would have murdered over hurdles. Suddenly there's ten fences put in front of them for the first time and they are made backable prices. A clear round of jumping and you should collect.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 22, 2009, 05:17:42 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 22, 2009, 11:05:58 AM
I'LL BE LUMPING MY £2.50 E/W ON IRON STEVE STRATFORD 5.10 currently 13/2

although it was not going to win against the favourite - bad ride by the jockey running so wide cost the e/w money  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 22, 2009, 05:36:21 PM
Paddy Brennan always seems to have a habit of riding four or five deep off the rail. It works in hurdles and chases because the horse gets a clearer sight of his obstacles but I can't see the point of doing it in a bumper especially when the horse is being ridden handy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: space rabbit on September 22, 2009, 06:34:56 PM
Donnellys Hollow will you post some of your fancies when they run here. You seem to have good knowledge.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 22, 2009, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: space rabbit on September 22, 2009, 06:34:56 PM
Donnellys Hollow will you post some of your fancies when they run here. You seem to have good knowledge.
ditto don't be shy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 22, 2009, 06:51:35 PM
I would never really have more than five or six bets on a normal week. I've been easing off on my bets on the flat over the past week or two. Now that we're into the Autumn, the ground will be deteriorating and horses will be going over the top and their form will begin to taper off - would be wary enough of taking any odds-on about Sea The Stars from now on for example.

Once the jumps gets going properly (Punchestown's two day meet next month!) I'll be getting stuck into a few novice chasers and hurdlers. Have a few 2yos picked out for Ascot and the Curragh over the weekend. Will post up any fancies I have after the decs are made. Don't expect Tom Segal priced winners though!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 23, 2009, 02:22:51 PM
Secret Witness @ Kempton tonight expected to go well and 3/1 avalable now is a decent price
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 23, 2009, 09:35:50 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 23, 2009, 02:22:51 PM
Secret Witness @ Kempton tonight expected to go well and 3/1 avalable now is a decent price

shite
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 24, 2009, 04:58:27 PM
Battle Group @ 5.20 Perth can be backed at 2/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 24, 2009, 05:26:56 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 24, 2009, 04:58:27 PM
Battle Group @ 5.20 Perth can be backed at 2/1

4th saan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 24, 2009, 05:34:20 PM
two dud ones yesterday and today - shocking pish runs with so called info behind them  ???  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2009, 01:09:41 PM
Keoghs Bar in the 1:50 at Worcester. Horse fell in a novice chase at Newton Abbot last time out so he should appreciate returning to the smaller obstacles. Ran well in a good bumper at Perth in May. Flynn does well in his raids to England and has an excellent strike-rate with AP up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2009, 03:46:20 PM
Ran with the choke out for too long and faded after the second last. He'll probably win a maiden hurdle at two miles around a stiff track like Naas or Navan.

Looking ahead to the weekend. I'm tempted to have a hefty double on Rip Van Winkle in the QE2 tomorrow and St Nicholas Abbey in the Beresford at the Curragh on Sunday, both are currently around the even money mark. Ballydoyle have only had three winners from their last thirty runners though and Godolphin (Delegator in the QE2 & Passion For Gold in the Beresford) are absolutely flying. Will keep a watching brief on Aidan's runner at Dundalk tonight (odds-on fav in the 9.00) before investing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 25, 2009, 04:50:39 PM
KIRBY VIC 5.15 is all set to win today

I'm sticking to the football for the weekend  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 25, 2009, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 25, 2009, 04:50:39 PM
KIRBY VIC 5.15 is all set to win today

I'm sticking to the football for the weekend  >:(
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you do that Sammy as i backed it on your advise :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on September 25, 2009, 05:28:15 PM
Sammy, you really should put down if a horse if your fancy or a tip ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 25, 2009, 05:29:01 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 25, 2009, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 25, 2009, 04:50:39 PM
KIRBY VIC 5.15 is all set to win today

I'm sticking to the football for the weekend  >:(
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you do that Sammy as i backed it on your advise :(

sorry illdecide, cost me £50 - this was a tip man which makes me even more pissed off
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2009, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2009, 03:46:20 PM
Looking ahead to the weekend. I'm tempted to have a hefty double on Rip Van Winkle in the QE2 tomorrow and St Nicholas Abbey in the Beresford at the Curragh on Sunday, both are currently around the even money mark. Ballydoyle have only had three winners from their last thirty runners though and Godolphin (Delegator in the QE2 & Passion For Gold in the Beresford) are absolutely flying. Will keep a watching brief on Aidan's runner at Dundalk tonight (odds-on fav in the 9.00) before investing.

Agustusthestrong beaten a head at 4/11. Hhhmmmm. Don't know what to make of that looking forward to the QE2 tomorrow. Mastercraftsman has been taken out as expected. I'm surprised Aidan isn't running a pacemaker for Rip Van Winkle given the way he won at Goodwood and how he chased home Sea The Stars up the Sandown hill. With only four runners it could leave him vulnerable to Delegator's turn of foot should they not go a proper gallop. The mile at Ascot is a lot stiffer than at Goodwood though and I'm not convinced Delegator truly stays a mile. I'll probably wait to see how RVW's price holds up in the morning before getting on.

I'm convinced the 2yo on Sunday (St Nicholas Abbey) is a Derby horse for next year and he's a penalty kick now that Bolger has taken out Chabal. Might be worth a small antepost investment for Epsom before the Beresford!

Finally, Oscar Dan Dan runs in a 2m6 hurdle at Navan tomorrow (3.20) with Ruby up. He has to give weight away all round but he's got some cracking form over hurdles - beaten only 14L by Mikael D'Haguenet, 17L by Hurricane Fly, 1.5L by Chasing Cars in a bumper. Provided he's tuned up for his first run of the season then he should win. Currently around the even money mark on Betfair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 26, 2009, 11:03:19 AM
Murtagh's ride was strange as he looked like he never took the whip out on Augustus and could have got it home in front if he'd have ridden him a bit stronger... if I had have invested in that 4/11 shot I would have been disgusted  :o

Ones that look appealing (fancies) going on the betting slips today are;
Applause 1.55 Ascot
Cootehill 2.05 Market Rasen
Bajan Parkes 2.35 Haydock
From Dawn To Dusk 3.15 Market Rasen
Marching Time 3.45 Ascot
Mirrored 3.50 Chester
Reisk Superman 4.25 Navan
Banyan Tree 4.35 Gowran
Sweetheart 5.25 Ascot really fancy this one

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2009, 11:29:15 PM
Good performance by the Ripper at Ascot. Thought Aidan might regret not running a pacemaker two furlongs out but he was only idling in front and he kicked again when Zacinto and Delegator came at him. Should be a mouthwatering race if he meets Sea The Stars in the Breeders Cup Classic.

Looking forward to St Nicholas Abbey at the Curragh tomorrow for the second leg of the double. Joshua Tree's win in the Royal Lodge doesn't say much for the 2yos across the water given that he was beaten in a nursery at Listowel only last week. Would be a lot more confident that he'll beat the Godolphin horse now - especially that Frankie is going to Germany instead of gracing us with his presence here in Kildare!

Gan Amhras also reappears tomorrow in a listed race over 7f. The trip will be on the sharp side for him but if he runs anywhere near his English 2000 Guineas form then he should account for this lot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 27, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
Lads we def miss Nail Loney here for his tips...i was in the bookies yesterday talking to him and he was giving this tip out that he'd got straight from the horses stable, the horse won with the d**k out no prob and i'd only £20 on it but that man knows what he's talking about...get him back on the board again as his tips are second to none...Sorry Sammy but your not in Nail's league...ohh did i mention he also give me a treble at the football that paid £103 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 08:54:05 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 27, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
Lads we def miss Nail Loney here for his tips...i was in the bookies yesterday talking to him and he was giving this tip out that he'd got straight from the horses stable, the horse won with the d**k out no prob and i'd only £20 on it but that man knows what he's talking about...get him back on the board again as his tips are second to none...Sorry Sammy but your not in Nail's league...ohh did i mention he also give me a treble at the football that paid £103 ;D ;D ;D

Quit your Jiba Jabbing Fool
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 28, 2009, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 08:54:05 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 27, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
Lads we def miss Nail Loney here for his tips...i was in the bookies yesterday talking to him and he was giving this tip out that he'd got straight from the horses stable, the horse won with the d**k out no prob and i'd only £20 on it but that man knows what he's talking about...get him back on the board again as his tips are second to none...Sorry Sammy but your not in Nail's league...ohh did i mention he also give me a treble at the football that paid £103 ;D ;D ;D

Quit your Jiba Jabbing Fool

Very good Sammy ;)

But seriously though Nail Loney's tips are missed, he made me over £160 for a simple 2 min chat...Get him reinstated ASAP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 09:34:25 AM
I agree illdecide, I liked his stuff too, get him back as soon as poss!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 01:51:41 PM
Based on some information passed to me I'm backing two Rod Millman runners today - Cadeaux Fax 4.50 and Milldown Story 3.00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: man in black on September 28, 2009, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 01:51:41 PM
Based on some information passed to me I'm backing two Rod Millman runners today - Cadeaux Fax 4.50 and Milldown Story 3.00

Had a fiver on the first one. Cheers for the tip.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 03:07:15 PM
it was 6/4 earlier this morning, 6/5 when I posted, market spoke on this one which was heavily backed  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 28, 2009, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 03:07:15 PM
it was 6/4 earlier this morning, 6/5 when I posted, market spoke on this one which was heavily backed  ;)

Fair Fucks Sammy, picked out one horse earlier,Squad 420 Brighton.Then seen your tip and done both in singles and a 20 double. Up over 200 bucks. Cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 04:57:46 PM
well done boo! Draw and slow start got the better of Cadeaux  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on September 28, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
do any of the racing experts here (donnellys hollow/sammy maguire) think sea the stars at 5/6 in the arc is buying money or a risky investment??contemplating a major punt on it and it looks bulletproof but worry it might be a race too much this year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: space rabbit on September 28, 2009, 06:19:53 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on September 28, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
do any of the racing experts here (donnellys hollow/sammy maguire) think sea the stars at 5/6 in the arc is buying money or a risky investment??contemplating a major punt on it and it looks bulletproof but worry it might be a race too much this year

:D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 06:27:47 PM
thanks space rabbit, hope Man City only win 1 by the odd goal tonight  8)

soulja, not a fan of antepost myself but on the back of what STS has done this year, almost bullet proof (almost)

see how the ground is etc closer to the time of the race and then decide.

This piece will shed more light on the race than I can; http://www.bettingpro.com/category/Racing/Prix-de-lArc-de-Triomphe-Leading-Contenders-200909280058/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: space rabbit on September 28, 2009, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 06:27:47 PM
thanks space rabbit, hope Man City only win 1 by the odd goal tonight  8)

soulja, not a fan of antepost myself but on the back of what STS has done this year, almost bullet proof (almost)

see how the ground is etc closer to the time of the race and then decide.

This piece will shed more light on the race than I can; http://www.bettingpro.com/category/Racing/Prix-de-lArc-de-Triomphe-Leading-Contenders-200909280058/

:D :D :D thats not nice
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 28, 2009, 06:44:11 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on September 28, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
do any of the racing experts here (donnellys hollow/sammy maguire) think sea the stars at 5/6 in the arc is buying money or a risky investment??contemplating a major punt on it and it looks bulletproof but worry it might be a race too much this year

Going purely on form he's a penalty kick. He's well ahead of the likes of Conduit and Fame And Glory on ratings.

However, there is still a school of thought out there that he might not stay a truly run 1m4, despite winning the Epsom Derby. This year's Derby was one of the slowest run in years so there is some substance to that argument. I think he will stay - Cape Cross has got 1m4 horses (Ouija Board, Rising Cross) and his dam Urban Sea was an Arc winner herself. The ground would be an issue for me if there was cut but the forecast is for drying conditions and the ground looks like it will be perfect for him.

I'd share your worry that it might be a race too much though. He's been on the go since May and I'm always wary about getting stuck into one that could possibly be gone over the top at this time of year. He does seem to take his races very well though and the fact that he idles when he hits the front means that he'll always keep something up his sleeve.

Its a hard call as to whether 5/6 is good value at this stage (I backed him myself at 5/2 after Leopardstown). He's the greatest flat horse I've ever seen and he should, all things being equal, pick this lot up and carry them. Whether you'd want to get stuck in at that price is a personal thing. I'd nearly advise you to wait till Sunday and back him on the PMU (French Tote - most Irish/English bookies will let you do this). At least then you will have a chance to see the horse in the paddock and see how the track is riding on the day. Most Irish & English trained horses will be bigger odds on the PMU then they will be with our own bookmakers.

If you're looking to buy money on one next weekend, then get stuck into Goldikova in the Prix Foret on the Saturday. She'll be shorter than Sea The Stars but she won hard held the last day and will take this before heading Stateside to put back-to-back Breeders Cup Miles together.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 07:58:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 28, 2009, 06:44:11 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on September 28, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
do any of the racing experts here (donnellys hollow/sammy maguire) think sea the stars at 5/6 in the arc is buying money or a risky investment??contemplating a major punt on it and it looks bulletproof but worry it might be a race too much this year

Going purely on form he's a penalty kick. He's well ahead of the likes of Conduit and Fame And Glory on ratings.

However, there is still a school of thought out there that he might not stay a truly run 1m4, despite winning the Epsom Derby. This year's Derby was one of the slowest run in years so there is some substance to that argument. I think he will stay - Cape Cross has got 1m4 horses (Ouija Board, Rising Cross) and his dam Urban Sea was an Arc winner herself. The ground would be an issue for me if there was cut but the forecast is for drying conditions and the ground looks like it will be perfect for him.

I'd share your worry that it might be a race too much though. He's been on the go since May and I'm always wary about getting stuck into one that could possibly be gone over the top at this time of year. He does seem to take his races very well though and the fact that he idles when he hits the front means that he'll always keep something up his sleeve.

Its a hard call as to whether 5/6 is good value at this stage (I backed him myself at 5/2 after Leopardstown). He's the greatest flat horse I've ever seen and he should, all things being equal, pick this lot up and carry them. Whether you'd want to get stuck in at that price is a personal thing. I'd nearly advise you to wait till Sunday and back him on the PMU (French Tote - most Irish/English bookies will let you do this). At least then you will have a chance to see the horse in the paddock and see how the track is riding on the day. Most Irish & English trained horses will be bigger odds on the PMU then they will be with our own bookmakers.

If you're looking to buy money on one next weekend, then get stuck into Goldikova in the Prix Foret on the Saturday. She'll be shorter than Sea The Stars but she won hard held the last day and will take this before heading Stateside to put back-to-back Breeders Cup Miles together.

thats the answer of a true racing expert guys
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 28, 2009, 08:18:40 PM
Go way outta that Sammy lad, I'm far from an expert. The game would be an awful lot easier if they could talk!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 29, 2009, 09:33:15 AM
Was told that SWOP is a really good bet in the Cambridgeshire at the weekend, Fallon riding, horse in great nick, currently 12/1 in most places.  :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 29, 2009, 04:32:15 PM
TREASURY COUNCIL 5.00 at Sedgfield mmmmmmmm  ???  another dud, this one might find its way home before dark  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 30, 2009, 02:20:58 PM
tread with care last few I stuck up were poor

3.10-Thunder Bridge. This one is a really well bred son of a dual group winner and out of a family of the sussex stakes winner in distant view. He should have plenty of speed and has been reported to have been working well. Looks a weak maiden...

3.40 Foorprint- This one was 2nd last time out behind what will turn out to be a useful sort in super sonic boom. Looks to want good ground. Out of a guinnes winner in footprintsinthesand. Looks a quite finneky horse but in good ground and at the prices his worth a look in the market at 9s
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on September 30, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
good man sammy had a score on that.

it was backed well all mornring.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on September 30, 2009, 03:59:45 PM
Your an absolute legend. im up 300 today. thanx sammy. you should never be questioned ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 30, 2009, 04:07:44 PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D cheers rossie, a fiver double would have returned £200 and I never done the double cos one if not both ALWAYS lets me down :'(  :'(  :'(

got a little word on red suede shoes too at kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 30, 2009, 05:04:45 PM
Im going with Red Shoes in the 5.50 Sammy. Hope you're on form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 01, 2009, 04:13:39 PM
sorry about that one yest, was outpaced throughout after a slow break; some late ones here (all fancies)

Goodwood 4.30 Rockfella solid e/w 5/1

Ayr 4.40 The Bear, if there is market interest from 20's it could be worth backing

4.55 Bounty Box/Sea of Leaves, I fancy a r/f in this one as an interest bet

Sligo 5.05 Supreme Dick has an eye-catching jockey today and is well in on the weights 7/1

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 01, 2009, 05:18:39 PM
Mastercraftsman is declared for the Breeders Cup trial at Dunkalk (8:30) tomorrow night. Surely the classiest animal to run on the AW by a long distance?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
Cracking weekends racing in store both on the flat and over jumps. Here's my selections:


Saturday

Goldikova 2:40 Longchamp - The best miler in the world. 7F should be no problem for her. One lock for the multiples.

War Of Attrition 4:25 Gowran - Not the horse he was 3 or 4 years ago but still good enough to beat these. Excellent record when fresh.

China Rock 5:25 Gowran - Fourth in last year's Ballymore at Cheltenham only beaten a few lengths by Mikael D'Haguenet. Always looked like he'd make a better chaser. Should be straightforward against this opposition provided he jumps round.


Sunday

Rosanara 1:20 Longchamp - The French banker of the weekend at Longchamp. Daughter of Sinndar who has only won a maiden around Longchamp. Zarkava had a similar prep before winning this same race two years ago for the same connections.

Chinese White 2:30 Longchamp - Has been in sparkling form so far this season for DK Weld. Faster ground shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience. She should be a nice e/w price on the PMU.

Sea The Stars 3:15 Longchamp - Sit back and enjoy watching the greatest turf horse we're likely to see in many a long year do his thing. Holds the entire field on all the form figures. Could even be a backable price on the PMU if the French take him on with Cavalryman, Vision D'Etat or Stacelita.

Loosen My Load 4:55 Tipp - Horse with a huge reputation from Henry De Bromhead's yard in Waterford. Impressive in his two bumpers and won his maiden hurdle well at Listowel. Won't have things all his own way against the much more experienced Fosters Cross but they've been mentioning the Ballymore at Cheltenham for this horse and he should be beating him if he's that good.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 02, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
cheers fella good luck with those selections, surely plenty of winners there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: YogiBear on October 02, 2009, 12:52:42 PM
Artic at 9/2 in the 3.05 at Newmarket is my bet of the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
He looks a smashing 2yo that Artic. The English will underrate him as well because he's not from one of the fashionable Irish yards. Its only the quicker ground today that puts me off him. It was bottomless at the Curragh when he hammered Air Chief Marshal and I'm not sure he'll be as effective on fast ground. One to keep an eye on with a view to the Guineas next year.

I'm disappointed the new owner has jocked off Pat Shanahan for Smullen though. I don't think Con Collins would have stood for it. The money in flat racing would really sicken your hole. I heard earlier in the week from a lad at Airlie Stud that Godolphin have bought Kingsfort and he'll be trained as a 3yo by Bin Suroor rather than Kevin Prendergast. There's another potentially great horse ruined.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 03, 2009, 11:32:32 AM
unlucky yesterday Yogi, not to be for Arctic... DH, your treble today looks very appealing and for £10 you'll get £88 back from PP

I'm also sticking with an e/w bet on SWOP in the Cambridgeshire @ 14/1, Sirvino nb

Arizona John / Mountain Cat r/f in the 2.40 Redcar
Brief Encounter 3.40 Newmarket
Fort George 3.50 Gowran
Nudge and Nurdle Fontwell 4.40
Hawkeyethenoo Redcar 5.05
Meet the Legend Fontwell 5.15
Baltimore Jack Redcar 5.40

have a good Saturday lads + lasses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 03, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
6.45wolv NEVER THE WAITER been told this WILL should win  ;) now 9/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 03, 2009, 02:56:06 PM
Curious ride by Peslier (jockey I really rate). Clearly went a suicidal pace. Can't see why he wanted to be on the sharp end of the pace if the Breeders Cup Mile is the target. Feckin French!

Got to pin my hopes on the Mouse Morris double now. Managed to get on at even money about China Rock this morning. WOA drifting slightly even though Watson Lake and One Cool Cokie are NRs. That 9/4 could look very generous come twenty to five.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 03, 2009, 02:56:35 PM
Goldikova beaten,thats it.I give up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 03, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
What a hideous days punting!  :-\

Sure we'll go again tomorrow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on October 03, 2009, 05:38:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 03, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
What a hideous days punting!  :-\

Sure we'll go again tomorrow

hard days punting alright, can see sea the stars being alot of peoples get out of jail card for the weekend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 03, 2009, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 03, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
6.45wolv NEVER THE WAITER been told this WILL should win  ;) now 9/4

3 and a half lengths  ;)  ;)  ;) BBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!

signing off  8) .... too much aggro and grief on here and not much in the way of a well done

i'll pm DH and the odd other person, the rest of you.... hughie taylor is in good form
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 03, 2009, 09:39:19 PM
Really bad day.  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on October 04, 2009, 11:39:04 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
Cracking weekends racing in store both on the flat and over jumps. Here's my selections:


Saturday

Goldikova 2:40 Longchamp - The best miler in the world. 7F should be no problem for her. One lock for the multiples.

War Of Attrition 4:25 Gowran - Not the horse he was 3 or 4 years ago but still good enough to beat these. Excellent record when fresh.

China Rock 5:25 Gowran - Fourth in last year's Ballymore at Cheltenham only beaten a few lengths by Mikael D'Haguenet. Always looked like he'd make a better chaser. Should be straightforward against this opposition provided he jumps round.


Sunday

Rosanara 1:20 Longchamp - The French banker of the weekend at Longchamp. Daughter of Sinndar who has only won a maiden around Longchamp. Zarkava had a similar prep before winning this same race two years ago for the same connections.

Chinese White 2:30 Longchamp - Has been in sparkling form so far this season for DK Weld. Faster ground shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience. She should be a nice e/w price on the PMU.

Sea The Stars 3:15 Longchamp - Sit back and enjoy watching the greatest turf horse we're likely to see in many a long year do his thing. Holds the entire field on all the form figures. Could even be a backable price on the PMU if the French take him on with Cavalryman, Vision D'Etat or Stacelita.

Loosen My Load 4:55 Tipp - Horse with a huge reputation from Henry De Bromhead's yard in Waterford. Impressive in his two bumpers and won his maiden hurdle well at Listowel. Won't have things all his own way against the much more experienced Fosters Cross but they've been mentioning the Ballymore at Cheltenham for this horse and he should be beating him if he's that good.



chinese white a non-runner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2009, 01:25:10 PM
Super Soumi gets the job done on Rosanara! Bout time I'd a winner.

She'll make an Oaks filly next year I'd say being by Sinndar.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on October 04, 2009, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 03, 2009, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 03, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
6.45wolv NEVER THE WAITER been told this WILL should win  ;) now 9/4

3 and a half lengths  ;)  ;)  ;) BBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!

signing off  8) .... too much aggro and grief on here and not much in the way of a well done

i'll pm DH and the odd other person, the rest of you.... hughie taylor is in good form

::)  :D

I'd say you've been waiting some length of time to post this Sammy, but i suppose you had to wait til you got a winner.

At 7/4 too! Good going. Well here, let me say it - well done!

Dont include me on that PM list though  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 04, 2009, 02:35:11 PM
haranguerer on, go away, I've just given DH the winner of the 2.25 @ Dundalk too... he'll verify that too if you want

don't worry, the only PM you get from me will be telling you to grow up  ::)  ::) ::)

give us a tip today fella, anything but Sea The Stars  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2009, 02:51:10 PM
I will indeed verify that.

Perhaps some of the hurlers on the ditch having a pop at Sammy should throw up a few selections themselves to see how far they get. I'll start a naps competition for the National Hunt if there's enough interest.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lady GAA GAA on October 04, 2009, 03:22:01 PM
jesus what a horse :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 04, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
Some nag.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2009, 03:30:19 PM
Probably the best colt we'll ever see. Had a terrible passage, pulled Mick's arms out early on and still won easy. Great result for John Oxx and Kildare. Going to stand at the National Stud I believe when they do retire him.

Hope he goes to the States now and stuffs the yanks in the Classic.

Got to feel a degree of sympathy for Youmzain and Mick Channon. Second in three Arcs in a row.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagh leg-end on October 04, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
some horse boy!

it just cant be beat!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
Alandi holds off Kasbah Bliss to complete a Group 1 double for Oxx and Kinane with Yeats back in third on his last ever run. Some day for the Aga Khan with four Group 1s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on October 04, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
Is there any online footage of the Arc?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2009, 05:12:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgWxL_IZOQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgWxL_IZOQ)

A great horse in any man's language!  ;)

Enjoy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on October 04, 2009, 05:17:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2009, 05:12:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgWxL_IZOQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgWxL_IZOQ)

Enjoy!

Thanks for that DH. Some animal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 04, 2009, 07:22:08 PM
What a horse. They will still be talking about STS in the next century.Considering the in-running problems and it not settling,it makes it even more special. Well Done to John Oxx.

Donnelly Cheers for Rosanara,good tip.

Sammy,Id be more than grateful for the odd PM. :P
I couldn't pick my nose at the minute. :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: muppet on October 04, 2009, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2009, 05:12:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgWxL_IZOQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgWxL_IZOQ)

A great horse in any man's language!  ;)

Enjoy

Sounded like Tankie and GNevin did the commentary.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2009, 12:33:43 AM
Sweeps Hill makes his hurdling debut in the first at Tipp. He chased home Dunguib at the Punchestown festival in the Champion Bumper and being a New Zealand bred he should have improved significantly over the summer. You certainly won't get rich backing him but his bumper form is streets ahead of the rest of these. Provided he can arch his back and jump well he should beat these hard held.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 06, 2009, 09:54:23 AM
Will Sea the Stars go to the breeders cup?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2009, 11:50:42 AM
4/6 best price Sweeps Hill with Bet365 and Victor Chandler for his maiden hurdle. Currently available at 17/1 on Betfair for the Supreme at Cheltenham if you're feeling ambitious. Any takers of that could be in a good position to trade off later on. Plenty of people tend to overreact in the ante-post markets to routine wins, especially at this early stage of the NH season.

Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 06, 2009, 09:54:23 AM
Will Sea the Stars go to the breeders cup?

50/50 chance according to John Oxx. Listening to Kinane's comments post race - "wooly in his coat", "nothing left to prove", you would be pessimistic about his chances of travelling. I'd say the owner is quite keen though and Oxx will be tempted. Its not the huge challenge it once was because the Classic is now run on a pro-ride surface rather than dirt which used to give the Americans a huge advantage over the European horses. Last year was the first year it was run on the pro-ride and Ravens Pass and Henrythenavigator completed a European 1-2.

They haven't an awful lot to risk by running him. Dancing Brave, Giants Causeway, George Washington and Galileo (STS half brother) were all beaten in the Classic and it has had little or no impact on their respective reputations.

SEA THE STARS v RIP VAN WINKLE v MASTERCRAFTSMAN v ZENYATTA (the American wonder filly) - It'd be some race to look forward to.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 06, 2009, 12:26:53 PM
When is the Breeders cup?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on October 06, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 06, 2009, 12:26:53 PM
When is the Breeders cup?

friday november 7th and saturday november 8th
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 06, 2009, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on October 06, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 06, 2009, 12:26:53 PM
When is the Breeders cup?

friday november 7th and saturday november 8th
Cheers, always a good night in the bar.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2009, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2009, 12:33:43 AM
Sweeps Hill makes his hurdling debut in the first at Tipp. He chased home Dunguib at the Punchestown festival in the Champion Bumper and being a New Zealand bred he should have improved significantly over the summer. You certainly won't get rich backing him but his bumper form is streets ahead of the rest of these. Provided he can arch his back and jump well he should beat these hard held.

A long way away from the Supreme Novices Hurdle but he won quite nicely. David Casey gave him a good educational ride and he should improve from here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: football-4-life on October 07, 2009, 05:58:07 PM
no 5 at the 6.20 at kempton!! put house on it!! word from the stables
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lady GAA GAA on October 07, 2009, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: football-4-life on October 07, 2009, 05:58:07 PM
no 5 at the 6.20 at kempton!! put house on it!! word from the stables

Howd that work out for you?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 07, 2009, 09:47:21 PM
anyone manage to pick the 9/1 winner of the last at kempton  :-X  ;D   ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 08, 2009, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: man in black on September 28, 2009, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 28, 2009, 01:51:41 PM
Based on some information passed to me I'm backing two Rod Millman runners today - Cadeaux Fax 4.50 and Milldown Story 3.00

Had a fiver on the first one. Cheers for the tip.

I did mention this one before guys ;)  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 09, 2009, 04:45:48 PM
Selections for the weekend:

Saturday

Shadow Dancer (Bangor 4.30) Won a Uttoxeter bumper on his racecourse debut in June and then won a maiden hurdle at Market Rasen a fortnight ago. Only a 4yo but should be good enough to win this ordinary novice hurdle even under a penalty for AP and Jonjo. There'll hopefully be some odds against around in the morning tomorrow.

Sunday

Parsons Pistol (e/w) (Limerick 4.50) Looks a competitive renewal of the Munster National so there should be good value to be had. Parsons Pistol is a real stayer in the making and he should relish this 3 mile slog. He bolted up in a novice chase at Naas last January and he was still in contention in the 4 miler at Cheltenham when falling three out. Meade's are usually fairly forward first time out and he should run well.

Cornas (Limerick 5.25) Looks a competitive Grade 3 chase for second season novices this race. The fact that Nick Williams is bringing him over from England though is a tip in itself. Archie Boy, Let Yourself Go and Reisk Superman have all got the benefit of recent runs but if he runs anywhere near his best, Cornas should outclass them. He ran a cracker in the Arkle last year when seventh behind Forpadydeplasterer. Had he not stumbled when going well two out, he may well have placed. He then finished fourth to Kalahari King at Aintree only beaten 10L. He's entitled to be favourite for this but Irish punters might look past him because he's from one of the less fashionable English yards.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 09, 2009, 05:06:12 PM
I see Sea the Stars has been taken out of the breeders cup betting. Has he been offically retired?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 09, 2009, 10:50:18 PM
His price took a walk on the exchanges earlier on - 4/1 at one stage. It has stabilised again now at 11/5.

This tends to happen from time to time on the exchanges. Someone gets hold of a half of a rumour, the whole thing gathers momentum and before you know it the horse is being layed at crazy prices.

Its hardly a positive sign but Oxx has said that nothing will be decided until the end of next week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 11, 2009, 05:02:16 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 09, 2009, 04:45:48 PM
Selections for the weekend:

Saturday

Shadow Dancer (Bangor 4.30) Won a Uttoxeter bumper on his racecourse debut in June and then won a maiden hurdle at Market Rasen a fortnight ago. Only a 4yo but should be good enough to win this ordinary novice hurdle even under a penalty for AP and Jonjo. There'll hopefully be some odds against around in the morning tomorrow.

Sunday

Parsons Pistol (e/w) (Limerick 4.50) Looks a competitive renewal of the Munster National so there should be good value to be had. Parsons Pistol is a real stayer in the making and he should relish this 3 mile slog. He bolted up in a novice chase at Naas last January and he was still in contention in the 4 miler at Cheltenham when falling three out. Meade's are usually fairly forward first time out and he should run well.

Cornas (Limerick 5.25) Looks a competitive Grade 3 chase for second season novices this race. The fact that Nick Williams is bringing him over from England though is a tip in itself. Archie Boy, Let Yourself Go and Reisk Superman have all got the benefit of recent runs but if he runs anywhere near his best, Cornas should outclass them. He ran a cracker in the Arkle last year when seventh behind Forpadydeplasterer. Had he not stumbled when going well two out, he may well have placed. He then finished fourth to Kalahari King at Aintree only beaten 10L. He's entitled to be favourite for this but Irish punters might look past him because he's from one of the less fashionable English yards.

First two beat.  :(

Cornas was available at generous odds this morning but that's all been ruined now Archie Boy has been taken out - should be a nice rule 4 on any bets placed before 3pm. All the same, there's probably still some value left in the price even though he's now a shade of odds on. He'd be 1/3 or shorter if he came from any of the big English yards like Nicholls, Hobbs or Pipe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 11, 2009, 05:44:45 PM
Took a crashing fall when going well down the back straight.  ::)

Time to take a break from punting for a bit methinks!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on October 13, 2009, 01:26:32 PM

Oxx retires Sea The Stars
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:20

John Oxx's multiple Group 1 winner Sea The Stars has been retired to stud.

The brilliant colt will not be afforded the opportunity to shine at next month's Breeders' Cup meeting in California after Oxx confirmed this afternoon to RTÉ Sport that the all-conquering colt had run his last race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2009, 01:28:47 PM
Off to ride all around him at stud.  ;D

Thanks for the memories..........and the money! STS was like an ATM all summer. Hopefully some of his progeny will achieve similar feats.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 13, 2009, 08:22:07 PM
Thanks for the memories indeed Sea The Stars. The 8/1 for the 2,000 Guineas was some steal and some training performance by Mr Oxx to win on his seasonal debut. My fav was Leopardstown Champion Stakes as O'Brien had all he could muster against him but Mick Kinane just strode past them all again. Timeform have him at 140.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 14, 2009, 03:03:17 PM
Heard word for Scholars Mate  ;) 3.50 Punchestown today.  Worth couple of quid each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 14, 2009, 04:15:47 PM
Nice call,didnt get on but good shout hope lot got on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 14, 2009, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: Family guy on October 14, 2009, 04:15:47 PM
Nice call,didnt get on but good shout hope lot got on
I was being mischevious FG, I actually picked a donkey still running  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 14, 2009, 04:25:08 PM
lol bookies never lose do they,would have been nice to have been on though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on October 14, 2009, 04:31:04 PM
Indian Pace should have good eachway prospects in the 5:20 Punchestown at 8s
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 14, 2009, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 14, 2009, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: Family guy on October 14, 2009, 04:15:47 PM
Nice call,didnt get on but good shout hope lot got on
I was being mischevious FG, I actually picked a donkey still running  :-[

never mind Doogie, the little edit saved your blushes  :-\ try a little double on chain of command 5.35 and First Bay 5.55  (with two single savers)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on October 15, 2009, 12:57:29 PM
Cara Mara 3:45 Punchestown.  Won for me last two times out at 16/1 both times. Going to have another go on it today. Owes me nothing!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 15, 2009, 01:47:39 PM
Did a small e/w double on compton classic and sometsuke in the last two races at nottingham.

Heres hoping ::)

Any tips today sammy?

Your very queit lately.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 15, 2009, 02:07:16 PM
Fasinating race at Punchestown today. Sizing Europe and Harchibald going over fences for the first time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2009, 03:08:11 PM
Harchibald is drifting like a barge but I'm still not sure about Sizing Europe. Chasing could be the making of him but he ran like there was a hole in him in the top hurdles last year. Race to watch rather than get involved in financially I'd say.

Huge gamble going on Meade's newcomer in the bumper. I've heard he's fairly useful but the value might have gone in the price. If the money comes for Mullins' horse on track he might come out to a backable price again.

Another one of Dunguib's bumper victims has made a successful hurdling debut in the first after Sweeps Hill winning last week at Tipp. Some Present didn't jump well at all but still won fairly handily in a maiden hurdle that usually throws up a decent horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 15, 2009, 04:33:28 PM
have a little e/w double on Rod Millman's horse in the 5.10  ;) along with Casey Jones in the 4.45 cos I think there is value with him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on October 15, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 15, 2009, 04:33:28 PM
have a little e/w double on Rod Millman's horse in the 5.10  ;) along with Casey Jones in the 4.45 cos I think there is value with him

Fair dues, would have missed him only for this.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 15, 2009, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 15, 2009, 04:33:28 PM
have a little e/w double on Rod Millman's horse in the 5.10  ;) along with Casey Jones in the 4.45 cos I think there is value with him

Hope ya did Casey Jones on his own Sammy? George Thisby was never in it.
Just a wee Question about an Each way Double?- If, like in your bet there, the first horse wins but the 2nd horse is only placed-Do ya get the win and place bet going on to the placed bet or is just a place double?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 15, 2009, 05:24:47 PM
no just done the double, and indeed, end up empty handed...  >:( looks like Millman's good run is slowing down
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on October 15, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
A horse for the rest of the season is the 5yo Voller la vadette from the Colm Murphy yard that won today at 5/2 in the 3.45 at punchestown, good record last year and the owner says Murphy believes it has as much potential as Brave Inca, look out for its next run probably at Down Royal on November 6th, you heard it here first  :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagh leg-end on October 15, 2009, 06:31:26 PM
headin to Cheltenham tomorrow for the two day meeting! cant wait
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2009, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on October 15, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
A horse for the rest of the season is the 5yo Voller la vadette from the Colm Murphy yard that won today at 5/2 in the 3.45 at punchestown, good record last year and the owner says Murphy believes it has as much potential as Brave Inca, look out for its next run probably at Down Royal on November 6th, you heard it here first  :o :o

She reminds me a bit of the unfortunate Fethard Lady from the same yard. She should clean up in the mare's races with Willie Mullins saying this week that Quevega won't be out till the new year and possibly might go to Cheltenham in March without a prep.

Sizing Europe was visually very impressive and he looks to now be over his back problems that have dogged him since the '08 Champion Hurdle. I'd want to see how he reacts when something gets him off the bridle and he's asked to battle before I'd consider him for the Arkle though. I'm still not totally convinced he'll put it all in up the hill in March. He runs at the Paddy Power meeting next time out so we should get a better handle on his ability over fences after that test.

Another good hurdler going chasing is Snap Tie who runs in the second race at Cheltenham tomorrow. He's only a few lbs off the best over hurdles and has always looked like making a better chaser. Hopefully there'll be a few firms going bigger than the 8/11 currently available on Betfair but if he's still that price than it could be worthwhile doubling him up with Evan Williams' Barizan in the juvenile hurdle who will be a short price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 16, 2009, 11:29:04 AM
Some pointers (not tips or info) for this afternoon's racing from the UK's national hunt HQ

14.20
WEATHER FRONT possibly fits the bill for me.

14.55
opposing DH with Nicholl's RIPPLING RING

15.30
AIMIGAYLE but VERY open race

16.05
PARSONS LEGACY has the ability and stats behind him

16.40
BARIZAN who attempts a four-timer here with Tony McCoy in the saddle.

17.15
GAORA LANE, again, wide open race but this would be a small interest bet

17.50
Nicky Henderson's CRYSTAL ROCK makes for interesting reading, especially with Barry Geraghty riding.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 16, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
ther is a horse called inler racing in the first race in newmarket at 1.30.

I noticed last week that this horse went from very big odds to a 15/8 fav in a race last week but was pulled out just before the off and was also pulled out of a race on sunday.

I think he is 7/4 today.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 16, 2009, 02:54:32 PM
All these are fancied by connections (do as you see fit)

  3:30 Cheltenham
Iroquois Warrior  @ 7/2 
  3:55 Redcar
Arctic Cosmos  @ 5/2 
  5:50 Cheltenham
Crystal Rock  @ 7/2 
  8:45 Wolverhampton
Mondego @ 4/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DennistheMenace on October 16, 2009, 02:59:03 PM
RIP Inglis Drever, loved that horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on October 16, 2009, 03:15:14 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=40554

Tough as old boots, have to say i never backed it once.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 16, 2009, 03:26:56 PM
Great little horse. A lazy fecker but he'd always battle and stay when asked to win his race. I was at Cheltenham for his third Stayers Hurdle when he held off the French horse and the place went beserk.

Workmanlike chasing debut from Snap Tie. I think he won with a bit more in hand than the bare form suggests. Johnson wanted him to learn something from it and his jumping improved throughout the race. He'll go back to Cheltenham for the Paddy Power meeting according to Philip Hobbs where he could meet Sizing Europe. Could be an Arkle trial to look forward to.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 16, 2009, 06:29:43 PM
nice wee day for mc coy there lads,any1 else have a nice day  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 16, 2009, 09:20:30 PM
Plenty of good punting opportunites this weekend. Might as well throw up a few selections.

Newmarket - Saturday:

Bolger is going for four in a row in the Dewhurst (2:25) with Chabal who I think will win. The horse that interests me in the race though is Steinbeck. He bolted up in a maiden at Naas in May and hasn't been seen since. He might not be ready for tomorrow but I think he's excellent value for next year's 2000 Guineas at 12/1. The English 2yo form this year is putrid and I don't think the likes of Canford Cliffs and Arcano are champions in waiting. St Nicholas Abbey is the best 2yo I've seen over here but he's a middle distance horse. Both Kingsfort and Chabal are off to Godolphin for their 3yo careers and I've no doubt they'll manage to fcuk both of them up in Dubai. Steinbeck is Ballydoyle's Guineas horse and I'd be confident he'll emulate his father Footstepsinthesand next May.

The Cesarewitch (3:40) isn't the kind of race I'd usually bother with but I noticed that one of my old favourites Silk Affair is running. I've followed this mare for a long time and she rewarded me in spades when winning the Fred Winter at Cheltenham. She's tough as nails and stays all day. She's 25/1 at the moment and I think she might place.

Cheltenham - Saturday:

Kangaroo Court runs in the novice chase at 5:00. He was a decent novice hurdler last year but always shaped like a chaser. He's a point-to-point winner and broke his maiden over fences nicely at Uttoxeter last time out. Should be straightforward for him here.

Cork - Sunday:

Imperial Cascade makes his hurdling debut in the 2:45. He won the prestigious Land Rover Bumper at Punchestown last April so he should have way too many guns for this lot.

There have been a few classy hurdlers going over the larger obstacles already this year and Catch Me makes his chasing bow in the 5:25. The ground might be quick enough for him but he'd pick this lot up and carry them over hurdles. O'Grady will have him well schooled and if he jumps round he should win easily.

Naas - Sunday:

Noel Meade is in great form at the moment and he runs Silverhand in the Kill Hurdle (4:05). The horse has been in great form on the flat in the staying handicaps. If he can carry his improvement on the flat back over hurdles than he'll be hard to beat.

Kempton - Sunday:

Howard Johnson looks to have found a nice race to start Red Moloney off in the 4:35. He was only beaten 5L in the Supreme Novices at Cheltenham behind Go Native. The fact that Johnson is sending him all the way down to Kempton rather than waiting for the conditions hurdle up at Aintree at the Old Roan meeting suggests to me that he'll be spot on for his reapparance on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 17, 2009, 02:01:11 PM
For those who like stats, value each-way selections for the Dewhurst based on stats are -

Maroon Machine 40/1, 55 on Betfair, 12.5 for the place
Manhattan Fox 66/1, 120 on Betfair, 15 for the place
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 18, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
Word for Aspectoflove in the 5.05.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WaterBoy on October 18, 2009, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 18, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
Word for Aspectoflove in the 5.05.

Good word, cheers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 18, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
I got 9s. Any body else take a price?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 19, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
good shout on Aspect  ;)
http://www.attheraces.com/article.aspx?hlid=503723&raceid=241663&title=Will+Lattimore&lid=&ref=Nav+-+Default+Sub&nav=&sub=&day=

4:40 Pontefract
Bollin Dolly @ 5/1 - (winner)
5:00 Windsor
Cadeaux Fax (NAP) @ 4/1  should be very solid e/w - (surface caught it out)
5:30 Windsor
Aestival  @ 9/4 really fancied (something went badly wrong in running)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 19, 2009, 06:36:43 PM
Good work on Bollin Dolly Sam.

I see most firms have priced up St Nicholas Abbey at 9/4 for the Racing Post Trophy at Doncaster next Saturday. I think that price is an absolute gift from the gods and the horse will go off odds on. I've already tipped this horse up for next year's Derby when he was freely available at double figure odds (see page 180).

The Dewhurst proved yet again that the English 2yo colts are muck this year and I've a feeling that Ballydoyle will clean up in the classics next year. I'm more of a NH man myself but I'm very happy to have antepost slips on both Steinbeck (2000 Guineas) and St Nicholas Abbey (Epsom Derby) facing into the winter. There'll be no Sea The Stars standing in Aidan's way next year no matter how much money Sheikh Mohammed throws at Jim Bolger and Kevin Prendergast for their 2yos!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 20, 2009, 09:54:53 AM
just an article from RTE.ie  http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2009/1020/racingposttrophy.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 20, 2009, 10:06:37 AM

Do you fancy anything today sammy?

Henderson and Mcoy let me down yesterday.

Thanks to you and bollin dolly it wasnt a lost cause. ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 20, 2009, 10:45:35 AM
at least you didn't lump on Aestival which had problems.
I'll take a proper look at lunch time but 2.30 baby dottie 11/4 and 3.00 oil strike 13/8 @ Lingfield look good.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 20, 2009, 11:05:58 AM

Think i might stick with the mccoy and henderson combination again in thr 5.10 flat race at exeter. Tetlami is currently 11/4.

Going to back Aktia in the 2.50 at yarmouth as well.
its a maiden but this horse should come on from its last run if nothing hops out of the woodwork which sometimes happens in these races. Currently 4/1 with fallon on board.

My each way punt today is Ours in exeter at 4.40.
At 8/1 should finish in the top three and as a wee chance.
Eight horses in the race so unless there is a non runner a good chance to recoup your money.

Did fallon ride any winner yesterday?
Had a fiver at 5/1 that he wouldnt but i got no paper yet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on October 20, 2009, 11:30:44 AM
he rode 1 winner at least
he was on the favourite in the 3.40 but was beaten but won the next race on an outsider if i remember ritely
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 20, 2009, 11:36:26 AM

There goes that small hope of a small profit.

He was 13/8 to have exactly one winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on October 20, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Looking forward to seeing this thing out at Chepstow on Saturday. Nicholls has been quoted as saying if there is a new Denman this is it

Aiteen Thirtythree
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 20, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
Bermondsey Girl 4:50 Yarmouth
Rule of Nature 3.20 Yarmouth

two singles and a double on these as the word is good. Charlie Wall's runner in the 5.20 is also fancied as a strong e/w hope

Rebel Du Marquis 2.40 Exeter strongly fancied and being backed... also 2.00 Lingfield Fivefold @ 16/1 worth £2.50 e/w

just been told Arte Viva is well fancied in the next at Yarmouth too... I will use my winnings off 5fold to back it  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on October 20, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
2nd day in a row Richard Johnson has lost on an odds on shot
1/4 yesterday and 4/9 today, not even placed

It was the supposed 'banker' in my yankee with the other 3 winning!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 21, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Invincible Lad 3.40 & Super Formen 4.50 a good each way double today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 22, 2009, 05:59:58 PM
Berbice EW 850 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on October 22, 2009, 09:16:16 PM
Good call mister boo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 22, 2009, 09:25:57 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on October 22, 2009, 09:16:16 PM
Good call mister boo

Hope ya were on? It was a local trainer from Cavan who trains it.TBH I was gonna say to do a double on both his runners tonight but didnt. His other runner Royal Intruder won the 650 at 11/2. Would have been a nice double.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
5:30 Ayr - Slapper (e/w)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SidelineKick on October 23, 2009, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
5:30 Ayr - Slapper (e/w)

Reported.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
5:30 Ayr - Slapper (e/w)

Feckin mule wouldn't load into the stalls
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: laceer on October 24, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
5:30 Ayr - Slapper (e/w)

Feckin mule wouldn't load into the stalls

Right lads, I don't bet on horses too often, but I stuck a few quid each way on this one because it was payday

What happens with my bet - is that counted as a non runner? Don't want to look like a tool going in asking in the bookies
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 24, 2009, 01:56:28 PM
You'll get refunded. Horse wasn't under starters orders.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: laceer on October 24, 2009, 02:02:47 PM
Cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lady GAA GAA on October 24, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
St N Abbey v impressive there :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on October 24, 2009, 03:37:58 PM
St Nicholas Abbey......Stunning...Derby winner next year..Wish i had have backed him before this race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 24, 2009, 03:42:32 PM
Wow!

3/1 now for the Derby.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 24, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 19, 2009, 06:36:43 PM
I see most firms have priced up St Nicholas Abbey at 9/4 for the Racing Post Trophy at Doncaster next Saturday. I think that price is an absolute gift from the gods and the horse will go off odds on. I've already tipped this horse up for next year's Derby when he was freely available at double figure odds (see page 180).

The Dewhurst proved yet again that the English 2yo colts are muck this year and I've a feeling that Ballydoyle will clean up in the classics next year. I'm more of a NH man myself but I'm very happy to have antepost slips on both Steinbeck (2000 Guineas) and St Nicholas Abbey (Epsom Derby) facing into the winter. There'll be no Sea The Stars standing in Aidan's way next year no matter how much money Sheikh Mohammed throws at Jim Bolger and Kevin Prendergast for their 2yos!

;D ;D

He looks an absolute machine. Showed an incredible turn of foot for a Montjeu off a slow gallop over a mile. What price for the triple crown next year?!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on October 24, 2009, 03:48:19 PM
Wish i had have took that 9/4 for that...It was so easy never even got pushed out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 26, 2009, 02:22:32 PM
MID MON LADY expected to score the hattrick of wins this afternoon 3.25 Leopardstown 5/1 in places
Swift Chap is a good e/w price also fancied at Lingers in the 3.30 7/1
Guildenstern Kempton 4.10 also strong e/w today 11/2
Also a strong word for Braddock in the 4.40 K 2/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on October 26, 2009, 03:39:57 PM
F**K THAT!!!

Server went down there in work 10 mins before the race as i was going onto hav a score on Mid Mon Lady!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 26, 2009, 06:28:19 PM
We saw a future superstar of the flat on Saturday in St Nicholas Abbey. I think we'll see a future steeplechasing superstar in the beginners chase at Punchestown tomorrow.

Pandorama makes his debut over the larger obstacles. He won't be a backable price tomorrow but he's well worth an antepost investment for Cheltenham even at this stage. There's plenty of 20/1 and bigger available about him for the RSA Chase. The only horse to beat him over hurdles was Mikael D'Haguenet and Pandorama finished lame that day. Noel Meade thinks he's a future Gold Cup horse and that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on October 27, 2009, 09:25:14 AM
Did anyone else notice the Paul Nicholls horses over the weekend seemed to run poorly particularly at Chepstow. A number of his favourites just went out like a light when asked to quicken.
Virus in yard maybe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 27, 2009, 09:39:33 AM
The ground was desperate at Chepstow by all accounts. Most of the beaten horses were ex point to pointers with big reputations who were maybe not as good as people thought they were and will all come on for the run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 27, 2009, 03:55:57 PM
Ibrox I don't like the name of the horse but I have been told this one should run a good race in the 4.20  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 27, 2009, 04:24:32 PM

Fair play sammy never in doubt nice price at 7/1

you rarely let me down

pity about the name  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 27, 2009, 04:29:40 PM
Fair play Sammy. Your on some run of form! Nice price too!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 27, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
the huns score!! well done Rossie, I only had £25 e/w on the hoor  :'(

Hanagan is having a decent day so gonna back Tartatartufata and Bertbrand in the last

second and third, still decent e/w prices there... now onto the football this evening to lose some of my winnings  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2009, 04:36:42 PM
Good call on Ibrox Sammy.

Quote from: maddog on October 27, 2009, 09:25:14 AM
Did anyone else notice the Paul Nicholls horses over the weekend seemed to run poorly particularly at Chepstow. A number of his favourites just went out like a light when asked to quicken.
Virus in yard maybe.

His horses ran like drains alright. A lot of them were criminally underpriced though as is the case with a lot of Nicholls/Walsh novices. That Royal Collonges went off odds on purely on pedigree because its form in France was shocking. I still wouldn't be backing any Nicholls animal until he has a few winners though.

Workmanlike from Pandorama today. Clan Tara is a useful animal though and Carberry was keeping plenty up his sleeve. He clearly didn't want the horse to have a hard race. Once this horse steps up in trip on a galloping left-handed track he'll take some stopping. Meade will prep him for one day this season and that will be in March!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on October 27, 2009, 04:42:12 PM
Cheers Sammy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 27, 2009, 10:03:17 PM
I'd be a bit worried about Pandorama's tendency to run down the fence and jump to the left. He lost a lot of ground at some of his fences today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2009, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 27, 2009, 10:03:17 PM
I'd be a bit worried about Pandorama's tendency to run down the fence and jump to the left. He lost a lot of ground at some of his fences today.

He hung left when winning his point so it wasn't any surprise to me that he did that. He barely touched a twig at any fence on the way round but he did lug left approaching his obstacles. It was only his first run over fences though and he looked to me to be carrying plenty of condition. I'd say Meade will keep him to the likes of Naas, Navan and Leopardstown before Cheltenham. His jumping won't be a disadvantage to him on left handed tracks and you won't see the best of him until he steps up in trip.

Interesting little card at Punchestown tomorrow. Some Present vs Sweeps Hill in the first race is a potentially cracking contest. I'd have a slight preference for Some Present but it looks a race to watch with a view to the Royal Bond and future novice contests. Shinrock Paddy should make a succesful hurdling debut and Jered will hopefully throw his hat into the ring for the Arkle. Could be a nice short priced double.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on October 28, 2009, 09:26:36 AM
What do the racing afficianados think of the Tipperary plan?
Seems huge to me but would it be a "runner"? ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2009, 09:37:25 AM
what is it Dec?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on October 28, 2009, 09:46:25 AM
Tipperary set for 'mind-blowing' track

By Pat Keane

Wednesday, October 28, 2009

IRELAND could have a new state-of-the-art racecourse by the spring of 2013.

The course, which will be based on an 800 acre site close to the Tipperary village of Two-Mile-Borris, will include both a National Hunt track and an all-weather flood-lit surface and will form part of a massive €460m investment announced at the Horse and Jockey Hotel near Thurles yesterday.

It is envisaged that it will be a Grade 1 track and also due to be built is a Premier greyhound facility on what will be called The Tipperary Venue.

Both Horse Racing Ireland and the Irish Greyhound Board are understood to support the plans.

There is a great need for a National Hunt course which can race through the winter, and this will be 'unfloodable', according to architect, Brian O'Connell. He said the track will be built a metre above the ground and 'will be better than anything seen before'.

Legendary trainer Aidan O'Brien described the impressive presentation as "amazing, mind-blowing".

He continued: "It's what the world has been waiting for, we will be able to hold the Breeders' Cup at this track. Everyone knows how hard it is becoming, with the weather, to race here in the summer and winter.

"This will be an all-weather with grass and the whole project will be good for the economy. It is a phenomenal project and just what the Irish racing industry needs. It will be fantastic to have a world-class facility in Co Tipperary and I eagerly await having many runners there."

Ballydoyle number one jockey, Johnny Murtagh added: "These are fantastic plans. We are supposed to have the best horses, jockeys and trainers in the country and now we are going to have the best racecourse."

Chief Executive of HRI, Brian Kavanagh, said: "We have been presented with the plans for The Tipperary Venue and are impressed with their ambition. We wish the promoters well and look forward to working with them on the racing aspects of the development."

It is estimated the racecourses will cost in the region of €50m and will be broadly based on the Leopardstown model.

As well as the courses and greyhound track there are many other aspects to what promises to be an extraordinary development.

The magnificent site, alongside the M8 motorway, between Dublin and Cork, will also become home to a 500 room five-star hotel and a casino.

The government has initiated a complete policy review and a redrafting of the current legislation on gaming in Ireland. It is hoped this will provide for the licensing of gaming casinos in the country. There are further plans for an 18-hole golf course, driving range, retail outlets, equestrian centre, timber chapel and a heliport.

The Tipperary Venue is the brainchild of Thurles-born Dublin-based businessman, Richard Quirke.

He is best known as the creative force behind Dr Quirkey's Good Time Emporium and also has a wide variety of successful business ventures.

"It's an opportunistic time to do this, if you wanted to do it three or four years ago it would probably cost 40% more," said Quirke who has reportedly invested €30m in the project.

Close to another €500m has to be found with independent TD for North Tipperary, Michael Lowry, who has been closely associated with the project from the start revealing that: "they will not be relying on the banking sector for investment."

Should planning permission be granted, and that is due to lodged with North Tipperary Co Council this morning, work will begin on the site in the spring of next year.

It is expected that 1,000 people will be employed annually for the three years of construction and a further 2,000 full-time jobs will be created thereafter.


This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/tipperary-set-for-mind-blowing-track-104333.html#ixzz0VDqiXnMx
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 28, 2009, 10:28:38 AM

Well it seems class. a second all weather track in ireland would be great.

However will it go ahead in todays climate?
Horse meeting attendances are down and the banking sector dont really have alot of confidence in lending at the moment.

Dont see O briens point about holding the breeders cup.

I thiught that was only held in the US
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on October 28, 2009, 10:58:27 AM
Any fancies today Sammy/Donnellys??

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2009, 11:05:49 AM
looks ambitious but wrong location in my opinion, of the 30 or so tracks in Ireland, Tipp already has 3 tracks, would any of these be shut down?

would Dublin not be better suited to this type of project and hopefully it would not end up like another Great Leighs  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on October 28, 2009, 11:59:07 AM
Quotewould any of these be shut down?
Thurles
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2009, 12:28:26 PM
none of this is info; all fancies: (I'll update later if I hear anything solid)

1:30 Musselburgh  Lay Infanta was told this is a bit of a mule
EW Brink  @ 5/1 
  2:15 Punchestown
Shinrock Paddy
  2:50 Punchestown
EW Takestan  @ 12/1 
  3:15 Nottingham
EW Arizona John  @ 11/2 
  3:20 Punchestown
Jered  @ 4/5 
3.50 Nottingham
Big Bay @ 4/1
  3:55 Punchestown
EW Declans Lad   
  4:10 Musselburgh
EW Ingleby Star  @ 16/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2009, 02:57:49 PM
TAKESTAN  :o great to see Oliver Brady having a decent winner at a big meeting this afternoon  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 28, 2009, 03:15:11 PM

Fair play sammy missed the race

Was he any good?

Got him at 13 on betfair.

10 notes

Ill have to start bringing you out for pints next  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2009, 03:30:31 PM
you'll see it on ATR website, they have all irish meetings on replay mode about half an hour after the race

perfectly timed by Cullen, looked like the 2nd place horse had scooted away from them 2f out but the winner had plenty left with 200yds to go and went past with ease  :-*

anyone know why Carberry was not riding Jered this afternoon??  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 28, 2009, 03:36:35 PM

I dont know but i thought mccoy always rode jered for some reason.
Maybe im wrong.

Finnegans wake hasnt had a race in three years i read somewhere earlier if thats true it was some win.

Backed lenabane myself.

Fancy tufton in the next at musselburgh in 5 mins
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 28, 2009, 03:39:23 PM
What happened Jered? Was he well beat? I was waiting on him for a nice treble. Sick!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2009, 03:43:52 PM
sure its a JP Mc horse thats why McCoy was on it alright  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on October 28, 2009, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 28, 2009, 03:39:23 PM
What happened Jered? Was he well beat? I was waiting on him for a nice treble. Sick!

Same here, think he was beat a two or three lengths >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 28, 2009, 03:57:05 PM

Beaten by about a length.

Seemed very comfortable from two out but couldnt overtake russells horse and the tank seemed to empty after the last fence.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 28, 2009, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 28, 2009, 03:39:23 PM
What happened Jered? Was he well beat? I was waiting on him for a nice treble. Sick!

Just couldnt go by Finnegans Wake-In fairness Russell gave it a great ride.Jered should come on for the run. A length in it. Missed Takestan :'(
Anybody see the 1st at Haydock? Graham Lee has an awful lot to answer for.Don't like blaming jockeys cos I never sat on a horse in my life but he fucked up big time on the Favourite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2009, 04:39:42 PM
I know its a shorty but WAKE UP CALL in the 6.50 Kempton is expected to win. V GOOD DAY ALL IN ALL ONLY CELTIC LET ME DOWN FOR ANOTHER £200  :'(

(Might also back the 1st 4 favs @ Kemp in a lucky 15)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on October 28, 2009, 05:07:33 PM
were do u get ur info from Sammy?
Are u a pro- gambler?  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2009, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Clown on October 28, 2009, 05:07:33 PM
were do u get ur info from Sammy?
Are u a pro- gambler?  :D

no, but I do bet too much at times for my own liking.... not quite an addict! I have a good network of contacts in the racing world in both the UK and Ireland but there is alot of chit chat and loose talk which turns into "info" but turns out to be shite, difficult to pick out the good stuff all the time although its been good this past 3/4 weeks, tide always turns at some point  8)  8)  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2009, 05:37:25 PM
Just back from Punchestown around a half an hour ago. I couldn't get over how small Jered was in the paddock so I didn't bother backing him in the end. It was no surprise to see him getting beat and I wouldn't lay any blame at McCoy's door. The horse simply had to expend too much energy getting over his fences because of his size and there was nothing left in the tank when McCoy went for him.

The novice hurdle turned into an absolute farce. The lack of pace played right into Sweeps Hill's hands. Some Present is bred to get further so I would expect him to turn that form around given a proper pace. I doubt either horse will get Dunguib off the bridle this year anyway. Shinrock Paddy hardly looked like a Supreme Novices contender either.

Always a great day when Ollie Brady has a winner though. He had the crowd eating out of his hand as usual.  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 29, 2009, 12:18:29 PM
First installment on the flat as most from Godolphin's yard are fancied 

  2:10 Lingfield
EW Baila Me  @ 4/1 
  2:40 Lingfield
EW Russian Empress @ 20/1 (Fallon factor)

  3:10
SIROCCO BREEZE @ 7/4 (is fancied alot)
  4:10 Lingfield
Padmini @ 11/8

e/w treble on Dettori should prove profitable today 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 29, 2009, 02:19:11 PM
if you backed Frankie in the last at Lingers  ;) Gobejolly should also be worth a couple of quid Newc 2.30

oh and Todber in the 5.30 Wolv which is even money
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 29, 2009, 04:16:58 PM
Four Timer for Frankie on his 20th Anniversary in racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on October 29, 2009, 08:04:55 PM
sammy maguire you have some tips, keep them coming ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 29, 2009, 08:39:14 PM
Quote from: randomtask on October 29, 2009, 08:04:55 PM
sammy maguire you have some tips, keep them coming ;)

cheers fella - nothing guaranteed though  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 30, 2009, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: boojangles on October 29, 2009, 04:16:58 PM
Four Timer for Frankie on his 20th Anniversary in racing.

Boo, it was the 20th anniversary of all-weather racing in the UK not frankie's 20th year! still some achievement to pick up 4 winners in a day

(http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00042/dettori_42683t.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 30, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
Well Sammy...any picks today??!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 30, 2009, 01:19:21 PM
I could not get on in time for Asraab but I was told this thing was in with a major shout in the first race of the day, 6/4 bit short in a 16 runner race though. But was also told there were some doubts over Quick Wit  ??? and it just won...  >:(

  6:20 Wolverhampton
May Parkin @ 9/5 
  6:50 Wolverhampton
Red Suede Shoes @ 3/1

should be a good e/w double (thats all for now)

Emerson Breeze, Avanti Albert and Way West all @ Dundalk later, g/l if you have a go...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 31, 2009, 11:16:55 AM
bad day yesterday compounded by Daryl Byrne falling off Emerson Breeze in the last at Dundalk last night when travelling well with 2 furlongs to go  ::)

  1:05 Ayr
Well Deal Again  @ 7/2 
  1:50 Ascot
Gone To Lunch @ 14/1 
  2:40 Naas
River Liane   
  2:55 Wetherby
Tamarinbleu  @ 9/4 
  3:00 Ascot
Micheal Flips  @ 5/2 
  3:10 Newmarket
Thrill @ 5/1 

  3:15 Naas
Silver Jaro  @ 11/1

only been told that Thrill will run well in a competitive affair at Newmarket, all others are fancies that should run good races
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2009, 01:24:49 PM
Looking at the market for the next at Naas, O'Grady must have Tranquil Sea back to his best. Could be well in in receipt of weight all round. Worth a few bob methinks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 31, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
touch skinny for me HD with some decent horses in that one, but if it runs at 70% that might be enough o win.... I might opt for a few shillings each way on Trafford Lad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2009, 01:35:03 PM
Managed to get some 11/4. Think Trafford needs further. He's being prepped for the Hennessey today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2009, 01:56:25 PM
Won fairly cosily in the end. Both Trafford Lad and Joncol ran cracking races over a trip that would be far too short for them. Two to keep an eye on next time out.

Making Ollie Magern my only other bet of the day in the Charlie Hall.

I hear Paul Carberry failed a breathalyser test prior to racing. Sure a pissed Carberry is still better than most jockeys!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 31, 2009, 07:00:05 PM
The Great one not heading to Down Royal  :( Disappointed - would have loved to go this year.

From sportinglife.com

Quote
KAUTO HEADING FOR HAYDOCK


Kauto Star looks set to make his seasonal reappearance in the Betfair Chase at Haydock on November 21 after connections ruled out bidding for a second JNwine.com Champion Chase at Down Royal next weekend.

Paul Nicholls' dual Cheltenham Gold Cup hero took in both races last season but the Ditcheat handler has indicated that he wants to give his charge a lighter campaign this time around.

Owner Clive Smith said: "All being well we're going to go to Haydock with him.

"The horse is fine and in good shape and all being well, Haydock is on the agenda."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2009, 08:43:23 PM
They're running scared of Notre Pere!

I think this is a serious error from Nicholls. He said after the Gold Cup that Kauto Star will only have three runs this year (Down Royal/Haydock, Kempton, Cheltenham). He's stressed time and time again that the horse needs to be fresh. If he ran him next week he'd have an extra two weeks to get him ready for Kempton. Now he could potentially have a tough race at Haydock and they'd only have four weeks to get him ready for the King George.

I think Nicholls is worried that most of his string are running like goats so far this season. He's hoping that the extra fortnight will see his horses come back into some sort of form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 02, 2009, 11:19:46 AM
Did anyone see Barry Geraghty on My Petra at Wetherby. Was waiting on this for a 4 timer. My Petra comes cruising round the bend and im thinking, could be the christmas paid for here, and what does Geraghty do - goes up the chase course instead of the hurdles. Docket in the bin. Hope he gets a lengthy ban for it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 02, 2009, 11:28:15 AM
I understand your frustration, maddog, but in fairness to him, the layout was ridiculous.The natural thing to do is stay on the rail. The way they had it set up, you had to know and keep in mind that you had to veer over onto the other course after the turn in. Very easy to forget if you're not familiar with the course, as he probably isn't. They should have had a temporary rail or doll-off to direct the field onto the proper course.

I'd see it as a case of the jockey getting it in the neck for the course management's screw-up. You can be sure they won't be fined or banned.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maroon Heaven on November 02, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on November 02, 2009, 11:28:15 AM
I understand your frustration, maddog, but in fairness to him, the layout was ridiculous.The natural thing to do is stay on the rail. The way they had it set up, you had to know and keep in mind that you had to veer over onto the other course after the turn in. Very easy to forget if you're not familiar with the course, as he probably isn't. They should have had a temporary rail or doll-off to direct the field onto the proper course.

I'd see it as a case of the jockey getting it in the neck for the course management's screw-up. You can be sure they won't be fined or banned.

Was on him myself. I'd say it is more to do that he was too familiar with the course and had forgotten about the changes...

Got some stick in the ring and I can understand that... Was an honest mistake - but when it costs people alot of money, I can understand the annoyance. As much as a jockey will take the applaudits when he wins, he should take the stick when he has a ride like that. Which he did
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maroon Heaven on November 02, 2009, 02:22:45 PM
In relation to Down Royal -

QuoteForpadydeplasterer is being re-routed to Down Royal next weekend for his seasonal debut after being a late withdrawal from Naas on Saturday because the ground was too soft.

That means the Ladbrokes.com Chase over two and a half miles in Northern Ireland will be the scene of his return to action.

Trainer Tom Cooper wants to get a prep run into last season's Arkle Trophy hero ahead of the Tingle Creek Chase at Sandown on December 5.

"It's Down Royal for him next week now. He's rocking. He did really well over the summer," said the Tralee handler.

"This will just be a prep run for the Tingle Creek. I didn't run him yesterday because of the ground but next week's race at Down Royal still fits in nicely with it."


Also just a note on Hobb's Like Minded who ran in Kempton earlier... Walsh didn't ride, opened up at 1.8 on BF - went out to 2.00 and traded into 1.62 at the off. Money was on it and ran a blinder. Good horse and worth keeping an eye on in teh run up to C'ham.

Slip was also out today and had a mare of a race. Hopefully he was lame or just out to stretch his legs. I had high hope for this horse fto
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 02, 2009, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: maddog on November 02, 2009, 11:19:46 AM
Did anyone see Barry Geraghty on My Petra at Wetherby. Was waiting on this for a 4 timer. My Petra comes cruising round the bend and im thinking, could be the christmas paid for here, and what does Geraghty do - goes up the chase course instead of the hurdles. Docket in the bin. Hope he gets a lengthy ban for it.

12 days I think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2009, 03:01:17 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 02, 2009, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: maddog on November 02, 2009, 11:19:46 AM
Did anyone see Barry Geraghty on My Petra at Wetherby. Was waiting on this for a 4 timer. My Petra comes cruising round the bend and im thinking, could be the christmas paid for here, and what does Geraghty do - goes up the chase course instead of the hurdles. Docket in the bin. Hope he gets a lengthy ban for it.

12 days I think.

Barry fecked up but in fairness to the guy he held his hands up when interviewed by Channel 4 later on.

As Hardy says the course layout was a joke. In Ireland the hurdle track is usually on the inner with the chase track on the outer. In England its normally the other way round. Wetherby should have dolled off the chase track with a false portable rail like they do at Cheltenham. When you've you're head down riding half a tonne of horseflesh at 30mph it is very easy to make a mistake like that.

The 12 day ban is ridiculously harsh IMO. I think Barry's being punished for the fact that the race was broadcast live on a Saturday on Channel 4. Had it happened on a run of the mill midweek card at Newton Abbot or Exeter he'd have got 4-5 days max. He's now going to miss the Paddy Power, the Morgiana and plenty of other good cards. The punishment doesn't fit the crime at all.

The people who booed and jeered him coming back to the ring and afterwards when he was getting the leg-up on Church Island need a good slap. I can understand their fustration but NH jockeys risk their lives on a daily basis for minimal reward in comparison to other elite sports. Barry will win on plenty he shouldn't win on before the season is out and punters should remember that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 02, 2009, 03:53:19 PM
HEAR HEAR DH, I too was on My Petra (as I was with Emerson Breeze on Fri night when D Byrne fell off on a flat race) and was cursing my luck and glad that the racing was a wash out yesterday as I had lost enough on Friday and Sat... and Geraghty did not deserve the abuse he got for that mistake and you could see when he realised what had happened on Saturday how annoyed he was cos he knew the race was there for the winning... he'll bounce back and should appeal the 12 days imo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aerlik on November 03, 2009, 06:03:22 AM
Shocking won the Melbourne Cup today.  Great reace.. All the favourites were outclassed.  11-1.  Two Irish horses came second and third, and Master O'Reilly came fourth.  Heard talk of a punter in Perth who had all 4 in a row.  85,000-1.  Might be the usual rumour.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 04, 2009, 01:10:11 PM
bobby bullock @ chepstow

paddy live + floraline @ warwick

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 04, 2009, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2009, 03:01:17 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 02, 2009, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: maddog on November 02, 2009, 11:19:46 AM
Did anyone see Barry Geraghty on My Petra at Wetherby. Was waiting on this for a 4 timer. My Petra comes cruising round the bend and im thinking, could be the christmas paid for here, and what does Geraghty do - goes up the chase course instead of the hurdles. Docket in the bin. Hope he gets a lengthy ban for it.

12 days I think.

Barry fecked up but in fairness to the guy he held his hands up when interviewed by Channel 4 later on.

As Hardy says the course layout was a joke. In Ireland the hurdle track is usually on the inner with the chase track on the outer. In England its normally the other way round. Wetherby should have dolled off the chase track with a false portable rail like they do at Cheltenham. When you've you're head down riding half a tonne of horseflesh at 30mph it is very easy to make a mistake like that.

The 12 day ban is ridiculously harsh IMO. I think Barry's being punished for the fact that the race was broadcast live on a Saturday on Channel 4. Had it happened on a run of the mill midweek card at Newton Abbot or Exeter he'd have got 4-5 days max. He's now going to miss the Paddy Power, the Morgiana and plenty of other good cards. The punishment doesn't fit the crime at all.

The people who booed and jeered him coming back to the ring and afterwards when he was getting the leg-up on Church Island need a good slap. I can understand their fustration but NH jockeys risk their lives on a daily basis for minimal reward in comparison to other elite sports. Barry will win on plenty he shouldn't win on before the season is out and punters should remember that.

Here here Donnelly.Barry Geraghty is one of the most honest jockeys around and you always know you will get a run for your money with him on board. IMO Carberry deserves more stick for his indiscipline than Geraghty has got.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 04, 2009, 03:39:04 PM
not going great today or since last week really but 420 LIFTED SPIRITS Chepstow bumper, massive price could be worth £5 e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sandy Hill on November 05, 2009, 10:04:44 AM
I read a review of a new racing book the other day in, I think, the Irish Times. It has chapters about 10 flat and 10 jump jockeys and I thought I must treat myself to that. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of the book or the author and can't find the newspaper it was in. Anyone any idea of the book I'm talking about? Thank you.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 05, 2009, 10:20:12 AM
Kings Of The Saddle - Ireland's Greatest Jockeys. It's by Brian O'Connor. I took a look at it in Eason's the other day. Tommy Carberry wasn't in it, so I left it there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 05, 2009, 10:35:01 AM
Well lads if that rain keeps up whats the chances of Down Royal going ahead at the weekend?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sandy Hill on November 05, 2009, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: Hardy on November 05, 2009, 10:20:12 AM
Kings Of The Saddle - Ireland's Greatest Jockeys. It's by Brian O'Connor. I took a look at it in Eason's the other day. Tommy Carberry wasn't in it, so I left it there.

Thanks Hardy, that's the one. I'd be quite happy that Tommy Carberry isn't in it; good jockey but a big headed git!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 05, 2009, 12:07:46 PM
Ah I always thought Tommy was a nice fella. One of the all-time great jump jockeys.

I had a great thrill as a young fella when the brother and I were thumbing a lift to Laytown races. A Renault 16 pulls up - Tommy driving. "Do yiz know the way to Laytown lads?". We sure do - so he gave us a lift.

Of course we asked him "any tips?". He said he didn't think anything he was riding would win, but he thought he'd be placed on Interosian, which he was, to our profit. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 05, 2009, 12:10:15 PM
Rayeni and Whatuthink look good today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
Good money around for In Compliance this morning. If Dessie Hughes has this horse back to his best he could be thrown in at listed level. Its not so long ago that he was the most promising young chaser in Ireland and people were talking him up for the Gold Cup when he was with Michael O'Brien.

I'm not sure about Whatuthink today booj. McKiernan has already had a winner but this looks a very competitive beginners chase. You could make a case for Zaarito, Give It Time, Venalmar, Bob Lingo, Essex and Whatuthink.

Have the day off to study the Breeders Cup cards for tomorrow and Saturday night! Hopefully post up a few winners later.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 05, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
Good money around for In Compliance this morning. If Dessie Hughes has this horse back to his best he could be thrown in at listed level. Its not so long ago that he was the most promising young chaser in Ireland and people were talking him up for the Gold Cup when he was with Michael O'Brien.

I'm not sure about Whatuthink today booj. McKiernan has already had a winner but this looks a very competitive beginners chase. You could make a case for Zaarito, Give It Time, Venalmar, Bob Lingo, Essex and Whatuthink.

Have the day off to study the Breeders Cup cards for tomorrow and Saturday night! Hopefully post up a few winners later.

Cases could be made for alot of them alright.Probably best watched but being trained by a Cavan man I will have a Fiver on him. Kinane and Oxx cleaning up I see.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 05, 2009, 02:07:15 PM
Been told all should win/go close

Banyan Tree 2.15 Leop
Gansey 2.30 Haydock
LAST OF THE BUNCH 420 HAYDOCK
Title: Re: 2-30
Post by: sammymaguire on November 05, 2009, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: drici on November 05, 2009, 02:36:03 PM
Gansey needles his way to the front to win at 10/11x.

still down after those 2, had more on Banyan Tree than Gansey  ::) sh1te

gonna try these two at Lingfield later as well as LAST OF THE BUNCH and thats me

330 quasi congaree
400 benozzo gozzoli

gone off the boil completely at my end, time to step back  :-\  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 05, 2009, 04:04:18 PM
No news on Down Royal then lads i take it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2009, 05:45:43 PM
Picked out a few to keep an eye for the Breeders Cup:

Friday

BC Marathon (8:35) - Have this race narrowed down to a match between Mastery and Father Time. This is not a fashionable trip for American horses and I doubt any of them would be better than Listed/G3 class over here. Muhannak won it last here but he's fairly ordinary as is the Ballydoyle horse, Man Of Iron. Mastery beat Father Time in the Leger when Father Time didn't see out the 1m6. He should have no problems staying it on one of the sharp American tracks though. I think a reverse forecast on Mastery/Father Time could get the meeting off to a flying start.

BC Juvenile Fillies Turf (9:08) - I'm going for a Ballydoyle winner in this race. Aidan trained Heart Shaped who was beaten in a photo in this race last year and I'd be confident that his filly this year, Lilly Langtry, is a much better horse than her. Better off backing her on the American tote (most UK&I bookies will let you do this).

Saturday

BC Sprint (8:10) - I think Godolphin can have a winner here in the form of Gayego. This horse had a big reputation before finishing down the field in both the Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes last year as a 3yo. He's been a revelation since dropping back to 6F this year though and has already proved he can handle the pro-ride surface. Has the best American rider Garrett Gomez in the saddle and is great value with our bookies at 3/1.

BC Juvenile (8:49) - Going for something of an outsider in this one, Aikenite for the top US trainer Todd Pletcher. He won his maiden easily before going on to be placed twice in Group 1 company, finishing second last time out at Keeneland. Has already shown he can handle the synthetic surface and he's too big a price with our bookies (currently 12/1 with PP).

BC Mile (9:28) - I'm a huge fan of Goldikova and hope she completes back to back wins in this race. I couldn't reccomend backing her at the current odds though. She's drawn out in the car park in stall 11 and I'd worry that Delegator might get first run on her. I can't see Zacinto being quick enough given that he seems to need every yard of a mile on our stiffer tracks.

BC Dirt Mile (10:12) - I'm amazed that Mastercraftsman is so short for this and I'm nearly inclined to lay him at his current price. Ladbrokes had him at a standout price early on in the week and they're usually fairly clued in as to the goings on at Ballydoyle. I think Aidan knows he's not good enough for the Classic and they're just taking a shot in the dark running him in the Dirt Mile. If he were to win his stud potential in North America would be huge.

BC Turf (10:57) - Conduit is going for back to back wins but its the other Stoute runner I like here; Spanish Moon. He's banned from racing in the UK after failing a stalls test and has been lightly campaigned in France. Juddmonte have a great record at the Breeders Cup and I'd say he's had this race as his target for a long time. Has the assistance of Fallon in the saddle which shouldn't hinder his chances!

BC Classic (11:45) - No Sea The Stars but should be a great race all the same. I think Rip Van Winkle could be an exceptional bet on the American tote come Saturday night. The Americans will pile into Zenyatta who will be putting her unbeaten record on the line at her home track. She's thirteen from thirteen but she's never raced against colts and I doubt her form is worth much. She'll probably go off odds on which should ensure Rip Van Winkle is a 7/1 or 8/1 shot on the night. He's the only horse to have given Sea The Stars a race in Europe so the American horses will have to be of a high standard to beat him. To put the American form into context, Gitano Hernando (a winner on the a/w at Wolverhampton) beat Mine That Bird (the Kentucky Derby winner) at Santa Anita last month. Ravens Pass and Henrythenavigator showed last year that the Classic is no longer as a race too far for European horses and I reckon if Rip Van Winkle runs up to his best than he'll win.

Bets:
Mastery/Father Time (reverse forecast) - BC Marathon
Lilly Langtry (win, place & show on the American tote) - BC Juvenile Fillies Turf
Gayego (UK&I bookies) - BC Sprint
Aikenite (UK&I bookies, PP currently a standout 12/1) - BC Juvenile
Spanish Moon (win, place & show on the American tote) - BC Turf
Rip Van Winkle (win, place & show on the American tote) - BC Classic

Off to look at the Down Royal card for tomorrow now!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 05, 2009, 05:48:31 PM
brilliant write up DH  ;) hopefully you'll reap the rewards
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2009, 05:53:10 PM
Had a hefty old bet on In Compliance at Thurles so hopefully I'll be able to play up the winnings over the weekend. There's good stuff at Navan on Sunday so I might not be going in too heavy on the BC. Reckon Gayego is a cracking bet though. He couldn't have won easier LTO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 05, 2009, 08:34:11 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 05, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
Good money around for In Compliance this morning. If Dessie Hughes has this horse back to his best he could be thrown in at listed level. Its not so long ago that he was the most promising young chaser in Ireland and people were talking him up for the Gold Cup when he was with Michael O'Brien.

I'm not sure about Whatuthink today booj. McKiernan has already had a winner but this looks a very competitive beginners chase. You could make a case for Zaarito, Give It Time, Venalmar, Bob Lingo, Essex and Whatuthink.

Have the day off to study the Breeders Cup cards for tomorrow and Saturday night! Hopefully post up a few winners later.

Cases could be made for alot of them alright.Probably best watched but being trained by a Cavan man I will have a Fiver on him. Kinane and Oxx cleaning up I see.

Was impressed the way Whatuthink stuck to the task. Bob Lingo looked to be all over him coming on to the straight. Great ride by Geraghty.
Great insight there DH,You pulled me a few winners from the Arc wkend so Il be watching out for a few.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on November 05, 2009, 11:16:09 PM
any tips for down royal?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on November 05, 2009, 11:33:58 PM
Any of ye doing the Tote Ten to Follow? https://ttf.totesport.com/ (https://ttf.totesport.com/)  Can set up a mini league if there's a few of us?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
Had a look at Down Royal tomorrow. Looks a trappy little card from a betting point of view. Go Native is the class horse on show but he has it to do giving 9lbs to Voler La Vodette who is a very useful mare. I will have a small bet on Nicanor (has changed ownership I see) if he's solid in the market at 2/1 or bigger.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 06, 2009, 09:58:39 AM
Quote from: Treasurer on November 05, 2009, 11:33:58 PM
Any of ye doing the Tote Ten to Follow? https://ttf.totesport.com/ (https://ttf.totesport.com/)  Can set up a mini league if there's a few of us?

Is it a tenner a man this year too?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 06, 2009, 01:16:48 PM
There's one out today at Down Royal 3.05. I've been told its worth a few quid. Paratheix or something like that. I really cant mind the name. I just told the fella to stick a score on for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maldini on November 06, 2009, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on October 15, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
A horse for the rest of the season is the 5yo Voller la vadette from the Colm Murphy yard that won today at 5/2 in the 3.45 at punchestown, good record last year and the owner says Murphy believes it has as much potential as Brave Inca, look out for its next run probably at Down Royal on November 6th, you heard it here first  :o :o

take a bow son!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on November 06, 2009, 03:48:32 PM
Dammit I went for a fairly ambitious Noel Meade treble and Go Native, Nicanor and Narquois all placed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on November 06, 2009, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 06, 2009, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on October 15, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
A horse for the rest of the season is the 5yo Voller la vadette from the Colm Murphy yard that won today at 5/2 in the 3.45 at punchestown, good record last year and the owner says Murphy believes it has as much potential as Brave Inca, look out for its next run probably at Down Royal on November 6th, you heard it here first  :o :o

take a bow son!

think its for the christmas meet in leopardstown next,its 16/1 for the champion hurdle with stanjames and favourite for the mares handicap at the festival! I heard go native wasnt 100% sowouldnt read too much into the run, although still pretty impressive for a 5yo!!
My naps for the weekend are Goldikova at the BC and Notre Pere
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 06, 2009, 09:04:16 PM
Does anyone know where to watch the breeders cup online?  Thought they'd show it on paddy power if you placed a bet - but they dont!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2009, 09:28:25 PM
Try:       http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx (http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx)


Not got off to the greatest start punting wise myself. Lilly Langtry didn't look like she handled the firm ground. Never looked to be moving well on it. I reckon that turf track is lightning quick. The German filly that Fallon was riding lost her action completely.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 06, 2009, 09:45:06 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2009, 09:28:25 PM
Try:       http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx (http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx)


Not got off to the greatest start punting wise myself. Lilly Langtry didn't look like she handled the firm ground. Never looked to be moving well on it. I reckon that turf track is lightning quick. The German filly that Fallon was riding lost her action completely.

Cheers mate - works perfectly!! Got Negligee next and a double on Midday and ventura!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2009, 02:39:10 PM
3:25 Wincanton - Exmoor Ranger e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on November 07, 2009, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2009, 02:39:10 PM
3:25 Wincanton - Exmoor Ranger e/w

what odds is it at? you confident?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bensars on November 07, 2009, 03:01:10 PM
8-1

10.5 on betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
8/1 - worth a small e/w with the 4 places. Yard was in terrible form last year so he could be very well handicapped over fences. Jack Doyle taking over from Christian Williams should also bring about further improvement.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bensars on November 07, 2009, 03:15:12 PM
On the drift

out now to 10's

betfair showing 15-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 07, 2009, 03:46:25 PM
Stuffed!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 07, 2009, 04:03:47 PM
DUNDALK 9PM MID MON LADY
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on November 07, 2009, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 07, 2009, 04:03:47 PM
DUNDALK 9PM MID MON LADY
hopeto god your right, u confident?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 07, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: randomtask on November 07, 2009, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 07, 2009, 04:03:47 PM
DUNDALK 9PM MID MON LADY
hopeto god your right, u confident?

sammy is allways confident  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on November 07, 2009, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 07, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: randomtask on November 07, 2009, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 07, 2009, 04:03:47 PM
DUNDALK 9PM MID MON LADY
hopeto god your right, u confident?

sammy is allways confident  ;)

:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 07, 2009, 09:36:40 PM
another one bites the dust  >:( outclassed in listed company this evening
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on November 07, 2009, 11:19:54 PM
What abvout the Brreders Cup tonight ??

Any fancies ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2009, 12:05:37 AM
What a performance from Zenyatta!!  Would have loved to seen Sea the Stars up against it! Only Mastercraftsman let me down for a lucky 15 on the last four races at the breeders cup that would have paid £450 - think i'll get about £80 now!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on November 08, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 08, 2009, 12:05:37 AM
What a performance from Zenyatta!!  Would have loved to seen Sea the Stars up against it! Only Mastercraftsman let me down for a lucky 15 on the last four races at the breeders cup that would have paid £450 - think i'll get about £80 now!!


Serious speed coming from another parish to win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 12:08:57 AM
Had an absolute shocker at the BC. Would be looking for homeless accomodation tonight had I not layed Mastercraftsman.  :-\

Aidan needs to seriously consider running his horses on lasix or bute next year. Man Of Iron was the only one to run on medication and he was Ballydoyle's only winner. Rip Van Winkle's chances weren't helped by that horse going mental in the stall two down from him.

Oxx missed an fantastic opportunity to win a Classic when you consider how close Twice Over was to the winner. Sea The Stars murdered him in the Eclipse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 08, 2009, 12:14:33 AM
Was anybody watching it on Racing UK? The freeview expired at 12 00 at with the delay at the start, we only got the race in with about a minute to spare before the show went off the air. Was amazed to see Zenyatta winning it - given that a filly had never won it, she looked jumpy going in and the bad start but some performance all the same.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 12:19:22 AM
The Canadian lad on ATR said that ESPN (RUK were taking their feed I presume) had to be off the air at 12. Horse playing up at the start caused all the problems.

I didn't fancy Zenyatta at all. I still think Rachel Alexander is a far better filly but her connections bottled it. Some performance by the winner to come from where she did but I think the proximity of Twice Over says that it was a fairly average renewal of the Classic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 12:19:22 AM
The Canadian lad on ATR said that ESPN (RUK were taking their feed I presume) had to be off the air at 12. Horse playing up at the start caused all the problems.

I didn't fancy Zenyatta at all. I still think Rachel Alexander is a far better filly but her connections bottled it. Some performance by the winner to come from where she did but I think the proximity of Twice Over says that it was a fairly average renewal of the Classic.

I know what your saying about twice over but I think that's a bit harsh on zenyetta who gave a supreme performance! On the same scale we could say it was a quality renewal as rip van winkle was comprehensively beaten and he's well regarded as the 2nd best in Europe! Although I do appreciate that he must have had problems to perform so below par!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 02:04:33 AM
Don't get me wrong, she showed an incredible turn of foot to win from where she was turning in. It was far from a vintage renewal of the Classic though. Rip Van Winkle was stuffed but Ballydoyle are always going to hinder the chances of their horses in America if they don't run them with lasix or bute - no surprise that both Goldikova and Conduit were both on medication.

Twice Over has some good form ('08 Craven & '09 Champion Stakes) but he's far from the best in Europe. New Approach laughed at him last year and he didn't get within an asses roar of Sea The Stars in the Eclipse. Had he ran in the Arc he'd have been 20/1+. Zenyatta will retire with a flawless record but she wouldn't have got within two lengths of Sea The Stars had he ran. Oxx and especially Tsui must be kicking themselves. A Breeders Cup Classic would have put an extra fifty grand on his stud fee.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 08, 2009, 10:52:30 AM
some great nh racing at Navan this afternoon then off to the pub for the fooball, my personal picks for later (no info)

12:25 Ballymak e/w

12:55 Aitmatov e/w

13:25 Judge Roy Bean

13:55 Duroob e/w   

14:30 Big Zeb

15:00 Osana

15:30 Catch Me

16:05 Definite All Star e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 08, 2009, 02:14:49 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 08, 2009, 10:52:30 AM
some great nh racing at Navan this afternoon then off to the pub for the fooball, my personal picks for later (no info)

12:25 Ballymak e/w

12:55 Aitmatov e/w

13:25 Judge Roy Bean
  13:55 Duroob e/w   

14:30 Big Zeb

15:00 Osana

15:30 Catch Me

16:05 Definite All Star e/w

Reading this at 2.13pm has just given me a serious pain in the head.FFS. Serious tipping Sammy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 08, 2009, 10:52:30 AM
some great nh racing at Navan this afternoon then off to the pub for the fooball, my personal picks for later (no info)

12:25 Ballymak e/w

12:55 Aitmatov e/w

13:25 Judge Roy Bean

13:55 Duroob e/w   

14:30 Big Zeb

15:00 Osana

15:30 Catch Me

16:05 Definite All Star e/w

11/10 to jump round. Christmas came early there.  :o

He'll give Master Minded a race if he can hold his jumping together.

Catch Me and Osana should be a good double. Both class animals over hurdles who are miles better than their opposition today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 08, 2009, 03:22:02 PM
cheers boo, ALL the big guns really doing the business and all being punted so hopefully bookies taking a good oul spanking this afternoon  :D :D :D will have had a great day if Catch Me can oblige
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2009, 03:40:06 PM
Good on ye Sammy, good tipping! - I was very close to getting a decenet Lucky 15 up, but for Catch Me at the last! Gutted!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on November 08, 2009, 03:40:54 PM
was going well before he fell gutted
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 08, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
ffffffffffffffffffffff###################kkkkkkkkkkkkk  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 03:50:53 PM
Horrible looking fall
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 08, 2009, 07:18:47 PM
Horrible fall alright.Any word on how the animal is??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 09:30:54 PM
He got up after a few minutes and walked away.

The way he sprawled on landing can do terrible damage to a horse. Beef Or Salmon pulled all the muscles in his back when he had a similar fall. Timmy Murphy said he was never the same horse afterwards.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 08, 2009, 09:48:03 PM
They went a fairly moderate pace last night, 24 1/5 for the first two furlongs is a crawl up the straight! For Zenyatta to come from she did was a rare sight, you'd have expected the horses in front to have kept going but she picked them easy enough. Obviously, the absense of Quality Road lessened her task considerably and the proximity of turf specialist Gio Ponti and Twice Over leaves doubts over the form.

I'd imagine Rachel Alexandra on dirt and Zenyatta on Pro-Ride were the two ever to meet. Comparing either with Sea The Stars is a pointless exercise! He did it all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on November 08, 2009, 10:13:44 PM
Happy days with a Noel Meade treble, although I didn't even see Oscar Looby crossing the line with the fright of looking at poor old Catch Me!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on November 08, 2009, 10:48:19 PM
Watched the racing yesterday here on the us channel,and that fella john mc crickard (not sure of the spelling) but you know that fella with the crazy sideburns,anyway he came on think he was loaded drunk,starts shouting zenyata will not win and the same for conduit,was funny as the american fella took it thick and said maybe rip van winkle will waken up in time for the race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on November 08, 2009, 09:48:03 PM
They went a fairly moderate pace last night, 24 1/5 for the first two furlongs is a crawl up the straight! For Zenyatta to come from she did was a rare sight, you'd have expected the horses in front to have kept going but she picked them easy enough. Obviously, the absense of Quality Road lessened her task considerably and the proximity of turf specialist Gio Ponti and Twice Over leaves doubts over the form.

I'd imagine Rachel Alexandra on dirt and Zenyatta on Pro-Ride were the two ever to meet. Comparing either with Sea The Stars is a pointless exercise! He did it all.

Sure half the fun of the game is comparing horses across continents/generations.

Is Rachel Alexandra going to race on as a 4yo? Zenyatta is off to the breeding shed. She should produce a nice National Hunt prospect given the size of her! Pity we'll never see them take each other on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 11:37:16 PM
Quote from: Family guy on November 08, 2009, 10:48:19 PM
Watched the racing yesterday here on the us channel,and that fella john mc crickard (not sure of the spelling) but you know that fella with the crazy sideburns,anyway he came on think he was loaded drunk,starts shouting zenyata will not win and the same for conduit,was funny as the american fella took it thick and said maybe rip van winkle will waken up in time for the race

McCririck wasn't drunk, he's always like that!

He might be a mouth almighty, but he made a valid point when he questioned how the American horses would get on if the Breeders Cup was run at Newmarket or Ascot.

Barney Curley famously put him in his place a few years back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPpBpDaSXE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPpBpDaSXE)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on November 09, 2009, 12:02:55 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 11:37:16 PM
Quote from: Family guy on November 08, 2009, 10:48:19 PM
Watched the racing yesterday here on the us channel,and that fella john mc crickard (not sure of the spelling) but you know that fella with the crazy sideburns,anyway he came on think he was loaded drunk,starts shouting zenyata will not win and the same for conduit,was funny as the american fella took it thick and said maybe rip van winkle will waken up in time for the race

McCririck wasn't drunk, he's always like that!

He might be a mouth almighty, but he made a valid point when he questioned how the American horses would get on if the Breeders Cup was run at Newmarket or Ascot.

Barney Curley famously put him in his place a few years back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPpBpDaSXE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPpBpDaSXE)
he farely put that prat in his place lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 09, 2009, 11:22:12 AM
Sammy...you delivered once again! Glad i read your post yesterday!

Anything catchin your eye today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 09, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 09, 2009, 11:22:12 AM
Sammy...you delivered once again! Glad i read your post yesterday!

Anything catchin your eye today?

not taking much credit from them lads, all fancied horses with big reputations who were short prices, thankfully most of them delivered and good to see Catch Me walk away from a slippy stumbling fall. I had it and Osana, Big Zeb and Operation Houdini in a 4 timer for £10, gutted when it fell with the race at its mercy, shortest price and last runner always seem to be the one to let you down  ::) It was Aitmatov and PC who was my most pleasing selection, although he made the most of his luck with the fallers in that race and on Oscar Looby.

Some eye catchers today are Larkwing 3.35, Chapel Flowers 3.50 and La Gifted 4.10 might be my e/w treble this afternoon
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 09, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2009, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on November 08, 2009, 09:48:03 PM
They went a fairly moderate pace last night, 24 1/5 for the first two furlongs is a crawl up the straight! For Zenyatta to come from she did was a rare sight, you'd have expected the horses in front to have kept going but she picked them easy enough. Obviously, the absense of Quality Road lessened her task considerably and the proximity of turf specialist Gio Ponti and Twice Over leaves doubts over the form.

I'd imagine Rachel Alexandra on dirt and Zenyatta on Pro-Ride were the two ever to meet. Comparing either with Sea The Stars is a pointless exercise! He did it all.

Sure half the fun of the game is comparing horses across continents/generations.

Is Rachel Alexandra going to race on as a 4yo? Zenyatta is off to the breeding shed. She should produce a nice National Hunt prospect given the size of her! Pity we'll never see them take each other on.

Yes the Breeders Cup is at Churchill Downs next year I think so the Classic will be on traditional dirt. Perfect for RA! I can't see them ever running her on Pro-Ride after what happened to Curlin in last year's Classic!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 09, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
I don't think it was the pro-ride that beat Curlin, more the fact that the horse had gone over the top.

Its a real pity they can't find a proper surface that suits all horses. Going back to the dirt isn't a positive step IMO. American breeding interests have forced this decision I'd say.

Interesting to see if they are putting in a dirt or a synthetic track at the new Meydan track in Dubai. Wouldn't be a surprise if the Sheikh insisted on a dirt track to try and keep attracting the best American horses to the Dubai World Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on November 09, 2009, 02:32:36 PM
Missed your tips sammy.you must be up after that yesterday.Had a good day saturday (was my first proper saturday spent at the bookies in ages)  16/1 winner in bucking boy,Two 14/1 winners in ellersie george and queen of pentacles,10/1 winner in collateral bamage, two 8/1 winners in dubai set and i think the third race in kelso  and a 20/1 double in nudge and nurdle and celestial halo.

Did a 3 e/w bet on a 33/1 shot in steepledowns as well and it hammered the field. ;)

Needed it though as i ended up losing around 120 in the last three weeks.

Backed rip then saturday night and that was the end of that.

have goddess of light and opus dei in e/w double and fiefdom and xpress maite in another e/w double.all racing in wolverhampton.

All are decent A/W horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 09, 2009, 02:53:43 PM
busy man rossie  ;) gonna have a little novelty bet on Sammy Spiderman now at Carlisle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 09, 2009, 09:19:48 PM
Tapeta in Meydan! Synthetic surface, wouldn't say it will differ to much to whats in Dundalk or Santa Anita.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 10, 2009, 10:40:48 AM
Anyone doing this years ten to follow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on November 10, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 10, 2009, 10:40:48 AM
Anyone doing this years ten to follow?

how does it work?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 10, 2009, 01:28:30 PM
Sedg 3.50 Six Zero Zoo currently around 9/1 or 10/1 in places
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on November 10, 2009, 04:09:52 PM

Had a poor day today.

Lost twenty on pipers legend then put 25 on zorro de la vega.
Latter was cruising two out before he ended up on his arse.

Had barton son 3 e/w at 10/1 came third.

I see cheltenham is on this weekend.
Any declarations we need to know about?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 10, 2009, 04:11:04 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 10, 2009, 01:28:30 PM
Sedg 3.50 Six Zero Zoo currently around 9/1 or 10/1 in places

met one way too good this afternoon but a respectable second spot so small profit to show
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on November 10, 2009, 04:17:11 PM

I see dundalk is on tomorrow night. ;D

Might be heading into paddy power on the way home from work.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 10, 2009, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: rossie mad on November 10, 2009, 04:09:52 PM

Had a poor day today.

Lost twenty on pipers legend then put 25 on zorro de la vega.
Latter was cruising two out before he ended up on his arse.

Had barton son 3 e/w at 10/1 came third.

I see cheltenham is on this weekend.
Any declarations we need to know about?

The Glenfarcas Cross Country Chase, the Paddy Power Gold Cup, the Connaught Chase and the Greatwood Hurdle entries should all be out. Greatwood always a good betting race.....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2009, 07:38:29 PM
Enda Bolger has a horse called An Siorrac in the cross-country race on Friday at the 5-day stage. I suspect he won't run with Garde Champetre and L'Ami also engaged but this horse should be followed wherever he goes this season. He won two points before winning a hunter chase at Fairyhouse in February by 30L. Bolger thinks he's the best young horse he's ever had and he'll probably end up running in the Foxhunters at the Festival in March. He's only a 6yo so when he does eventually run in banks races he could be the new Risk Of Thunder!

Master Minded has to give Well Chief 10lbs on Sunday. Could be worth taking a chace on the Pipe animal who goes very well fresh.

Hurricane Fly and Solwhit could clash in the Morgiana at Punchestown on Sunday. Dunguib and Sizing Europe are also entered on the same card. Sizing Europe doesn't hold an entry in the Grade 2 novice chase at Cheltenham so I'd say he's likely to run on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 11, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
I'd say there'll be plenty of English trainers willing to avail of his services. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 11, 2009, 02:31:45 PM
I imagine he'll get that reduced that on appeal. His case isn't helped by the fact that its the second time he's got pinged for being over the limit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on November 11, 2009, 03:22:47 PM
Heard word for Crusoes Return in the 9:00 Dundalk.. last I checked was 12/1 in Ladbrokes & Terry Rogers, 11/1 in Boyles & 10/1 Powers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on November 11, 2009, 03:28:27 PM
Have it at 10-1 in paddys - prob jinxed now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 11, 2009, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: vav on November 11, 2009, 03:22:47 PM
Heard word for Crusoes Return in the 9:00 Dundalk.. last I checked was 12/1 in Ladbrokes & Terry Rogers, 11/1 in Boyles & 10/1 Powers

might have a dabble with you on this cos I have nothing else at the moment although I kinda like Ebaziyan in this race too

14/1 on Bet365  ;) hope the authorities see some sense over PC and reduce it to a fortnight

maybe something went wrong with this one tonight, did it finish last?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 12, 2009, 12:44:57 PM
You And I in the 2:00 Ludlow fancied 7/2

Personally I like Russian War E/W in the 1.00 @ Ludlow


pish pish pish last 2 for today  ::) 550w nafura 620w naseenah
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 12, 2009, 01:19:15 PM
An Siorrac not declared for the Cross Country race at Cheltenham tomorrow.  :(

Wherever route Bolger takes with this beast, he should be followed. (Cashmans have him at 3/1 for the Foxhunters at the Festival already!)

The Sporting Life are forecasting Garde Champetre at 11/10. Be a gift from the gods if there's any odds-against available about him in the morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 13, 2009, 12:39:49 PM
SOME PRESENT & GARDE both expected to win at Cheltenham this avo  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on November 13, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
Did french opera and silver birch in a double as well as singles.
Backed nocturnal knight in the first in newcastle but no luck.

Small e/w bet on lake pontchairin in dundalk tonight at big price.
Does anyone know if scots dragon is racing in cheltenham this weekend?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
Hopefully they'll go a pace today for Some Present. The race the last day when he got beat was a complete farce. He should win today. Looking at the market it seems that Henry De Bromhead's horse is the danger. He got beat getting weight from Fosters Cross at Tipp and that form shouldn't put him among the best novice hurdlers.

Garde should be spot on after his spin over timber. Also think Knockara Beau might be a bit of value at the off in the last. He's giving weight away and I can see people taking him on with Ashkazar and Aigle D'Or. Unfashionable yard but his form with Mikael D'Haguenet and Killyglen is eye-catching. The Czech lad that rides him is a class act as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 13, 2009, 01:07:55 PM
Stupid price on Garde Ch. One for watching for the sport - love this race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2009, 01:16:07 PM
Price is probably about right Hardy. I certainly wouldn't want to be laying anything over even money about him.

Nina has never been beaten on him and his only defeat in banks races was this race last year when Davy Russell took a bit of a shortcut out in the country! You can make a case for Silver Birch but Garde holds him on the La Touche form. The Czech horses are unknown quantities but the market is hardly encouraging.

Casadei usually runs well around here, I recall him giving Spothedifference an almighty scare one year. Could run into a place at a big price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 13, 2009, 01:51:08 PM
You're right, I suppose DH - the price is always right, in a way. It's just not right for me. I couldn't be taking odds on in what's effectively a 4-mile cross-country handicap. I think and hope he'll win and I'll enjoy the spectacle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2009, 01:59:21 PM
Tom Mullins will have to start running a pacemaker for Some Present! He must be tearing his hair out.

Looks like our novice hurdlers are a bit clear of the English horses at this early stage. I doubt the winner will give Dunguib any trouble but he'll make a lovely chaser in time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2009, 03:11:25 PM
Buying money!

Good girl yourself Nina. Fabulous patient ride.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on November 13, 2009, 03:13:09 PM
wot was the race like?
didnt get to see it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2009, 03:17:37 PM
He got in a bit close to four out and drifted out to 4/1 in-running for a few hundred quid. Came back on the bridle straight away and picked up Headsontheground and Sizing Australia between the last two flights. Idled a bit up the hill but was always holding the second and third.

He's an amazing little horse really. Bolger said that he'd fit under Spothedifference!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2009, 01:59:27 PM
Dunguib looks a serious tool. This horse could be the best we've seen in a long time.

I'll be having a few quid on each week antepost for the Supreme Novices at Cheltenham. I don't think there's anything that will shake him up in Ireland. Might have small savers on for the Champion Hurdle and the Ballymore to cover my stake if he ends up going for either of them.

Hopefully we'll see a similar performance from Hurricane Fly tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 14, 2009, 10:23:02 PM
i know a guy who thinks Pepe Simo will beat Dunguib in the Supreme if they run together...  :-\  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2009, 02:45:37 AM
I don't think Dunguib will come off the bridle before Cheltenham Sammy. I reckon he'll go off odds on and anyone that's backed him at 3/1+ could lay him off at much shorter odds before the Supreme if needs be. Pepe Simo looks a typical Nicholls hype horse to me who has thirty lengths to make up on Dunguib on bumper form.

I reckon there's nothing in Ireland that'll get him off the snap. Unless something off the flat like Manyriverstocross or Cesare prove to be a revelation over timber in England, Philip Fenton hasn't much to be losing sleep over.

It looks like Willie Mullins will have a good day at Punchestown and Cork. Hurricane Fly looks a good thing to me in the Morgiana. Roll on the Champion Hurdle! Quadrillon and Sicilian Secret should make successful hurdling debuts like their stablemate Quel Esprit yesterday. Hopefully the card at Mallow will get the go ahead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 15, 2009, 12:53:19 PM
CORK - 3:35 PADDYPOWER.COM MAIDEN HURDLE (6Y 2m - Sicilian Secret @ 3/10 (GP)

CORK - 1:55 PADDYPOWERPOKER.COM MAIDEN HURDLE 2m 4f - Quadrillon @ 8/15 (GP)

PUNCHESTOWN - 2:40 DOBBINS & MADIGANS HURDLE GRADE 1 (4 2m - Hurricane Fly @ 4/9 (GP)

CHELTENHAM - 1:45 CONNAUGHT CHASE 2m - Master Minded @ 8/13 (GP)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2009, 07:05:26 PM
Was at the rugby match so only now watched a recording of today's racing. Two of the antepost favourites for the championship races at Cheltenham getting turned over - who'd have thought it?!

Master Minded's performances are steadily regressing. I know he's only a 6yo but I'm beginning to think he was just a bit of a freak a few years ago and that we might have seen the best of him. Hung like a gate the whole way up the hill. Great to see old Well Chief winning though.

I was shocked to see Hurricane Fly beaten. He came on for his first run last year so hopefully he will again. Raced very keenly and found nothing off the bit after the last. Makes me think he just blew up from a lack of fitness. Solwhit was mighty impressive though and Hurricane Fly will have his work cut out to turn that form around.

Sizing Europe put in another imperious display. He's found his niche over fences. Looks a real Arkle contender. Hopefully he'll stay sound because he could be a Gold Cup horse next year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 17, 2009, 11:52:15 AM
Clear Ice is fancied today in the 1.50 southwell
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2009, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 17, 2009, 11:52:15 AM
Clear Ice is fancied today in the 1.50 southwell

A rare Dandy Nicholls runner on the A/W......... interesting  ;)

A lot of money around for Aegean Dawn in the novice hurdle at Folkestone. He's related to Cool Dawn, the 1998 Cheltenham Gold Cup winner. Got the last of the even money before it goes odds on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 17, 2009, 02:07:33 PM
balls, beat by half a length  >:(

MARAKSH 340 Folk strong word (awful)
Fancies
My Condor 3.00 3rd
Youcanofcourse 3.10 2nd
Punching 3.20 1st
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 18, 2009, 12:26:19 PM
Good word for these and they are being backed
FLIPPING e/w 12.30 Ling
EDGE OF TOWN 12.40 MR
FRIENDLY KING 2.40 MR
ARDMADDY 3.30 Ling
CAPABILITY 7.20K

My own personal Clonmel picks
12:35 Fionnegas
13:05 Slievecorragh
13:35 Financialregulator
14:05 Watson Lake
14:35 Moskova
15:05 Footy Facts
15:35 Florida Pal
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 18, 2009, 01:18:41 PM
sportslive naps

5
  Chaim
L Aspell Mrs L Wadham 56/P212- 7
11-5 7/2 4/1 9/2
5/11


Take It There
Giles Hawkins A J Lidderdale 23-P651 7
12-5 10/3 7/2 4/1
9/2
                                 GOOG LUCK LADS



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 18, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 18, 2009, 12:26:19 PM
Good word for these and they are being backed
FLIPPING e/w 12.30 Ling
EDGE OF TOWN 12.40 MR
FRIENDLY KING 2.40 MR
ARDMADDY 3.30 Ling
CAPABILITY 7.20K

My own personal Clonmel picks
12:35 Fionnegas WINNER
13:05 Slievecorragh WINNER

13:35 Financialregulator - fell  :(
14:05 Watson Lake WINNER
14:35 Moskova WINNER

15:05 Footy Facts
15:35 Florida Pal

quite strong on Footy Facts now too...  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
Old Waton Lake did you proud Sammy. Nice boost for Big Zeb's form again.

I liked that Fionnegas. Could be Cheltenham horse for either of the longer novice hurdles. Mullins has such ammunition with horses like Quel Esprit and Quinola Des Obeaux though. Very much a case of wait and see.

Got a good word for Glenquest earlier from a lad I used to work with on the Curragh. Footy Facts relishes this ground though and you could never pass over one of Arthur Moore's in a handicap - Stewards House. Don't think I'll be getting involved in this one.

The highly thought of Sports Line makes his chasing debut tomorrow at Thurles. Mullins put this up as his dark horse for the season a few weeks ago. Thinks he might develop into an Arkle contender.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 18, 2009, 03:16:32 PM
Footy Facts came back at a nice price - happy days, gonna stick £50 on Ireland to win tonight too, just got a silly feeling it may happen for them tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 18, 2009, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on November 18, 2009, 01:18:41 PM
sportslive naps

5
  Chaim
L Aspell Mrs L Wadham 56/P212- 7
11-5 7/2 4/1 9/2
5/11


Take It There
Giles Hawkins A J Lidderdale 23-P651 7
12-5 10/3 7/2 4/1
9/2
                                 GOOG LUCK LADS


Get in there the other horse ran a stinker
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 18, 2009, 03:45:43 PM
Jaysus, 6 from 7. thats one of my best days ever, pity I did not do any doubles or trebles.... all I need now is for Ireland to win  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 18, 2009, 04:11:58 PM
Outstanding picks Sammy!! Pity i followed ur horses with word on them!

Any picks for Dundalk or Kempton this evenin?

C'mon the paddys!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 18, 2009, 04:18:41 PM
good picking alright sammy doubles and trebles would have landed you an even greater profit but you know aswell as i do half a loaf is better than non
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 18, 2009, 04:22:43 PM
3
(1)  King Of Defence 9:20 Kempton
N Callan M A Jarvis 80-3021 3
9-1 9/4 5/2
9/4
   This beast should take all the beating tonight lads even at this slender price i think it is good value. won the last race with something in hand and got off to a bad start and in my opinion it could have won it by more . Tonights race is a similar contest so i think it will win. Take a price now as it will go shorten.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 18, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
8
(5)  Richelieu
D E Mullins J J Lambe 201003 7
8-10   
8/1
7:30 Dundalk

This one is an old favourite aswell, i posted it last year around christmas time and it came it at 12/1. Ran well last week and at 8/1 he is worth an ew punt but i must stress small stakes, Good luck lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 18, 2009, 06:17:36 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 18, 2009, 04:11:58 PM
Outstanding picks Sammy!! Pity i followed ur horses with word on them!

Any picks for Dundalk or Kempton this evenin?

C'mon the paddys!!

those so called good things ate away at my cash today so only made about £100 at the end of it all  >:(

King of Defense and Leelu both mentioned in the last at Kempton and Dotada and Fandango Boy at Dundalk (I'm not backing any though, glued to the footy tonight)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 18, 2009, 07:36:14 PM
Richielue stuffed  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 18, 2009, 10:30:10 PM
Two pigs i picked there lads sorry :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2009, 10:57:49 PM
Looking forward to seeing this Sports Line out tomorrow at Thurles.

Willie has some fine horses going novice chasing this year (Cousin Vinny, Mikael D'Haguenet, Kempes), but this was the horse he picked out as his dark horse for the season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 18, 2009, 11:10:46 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 18, 2009, 03:16:32 PM
Footy Facts came back at a nice price - happy days, gonna stick £50 on Ireland to win tonight too, just got a silly feeling it may happen for them tonight

got 7/1 on betfair but i am still gutted i cannot put this towards a flight to Cape Town in June  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on November 18, 2009, 11:29:05 PM
any tips for tomorrow sammy, always miss your tips cant get to a computer at work!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2009, 12:30:35 AM
Interesting little novice chase at Huntingdon tomorrow as well. Michael Flips, Numide and Daves Dream taking each other on first time up over fences.

I really liked Daves Dream when he won the Imperial Cup at Sandown last year before failing to land the bonus in the County Hurdle. I remember Fitzy was on ATR at the end of last season saying that hes built for chasing. He said he was one of the best young horses in the Henderson yard when he was still riding. AP jocked up with Barry G still suspended.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 19, 2009, 08:39:28 AM
I heard Three Ships at Hereford is a decent bet in the 1.50

I'm still seething over that football last night absolutely shocking from the officials and Henry
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2009, 11:34:26 AM
Thurles called off. Have to wait for Sports Line's chasing debut  :(

Daves Dream now 1/2 fav at Huntingdon now that Micheal Flips is a NR.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 19, 2009, 03:13:48 PM
Red Suede Shoes 7.00 Kempton will win (hopefully) although tricky draw
Rumpy Corleone 3.40 Hunt good e/w
Fantasy Explorer 6.00 Kemp good e/w

Rumpy was

(http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/media/horse_shit.jpg)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 19, 2009, 06:13:16 PM
Nyetimber is attracting the right money for the 6.30pm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 19, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 19, 2009, 03:13:48 PM
Red Suede Shoes 7.00 Kempton will win (hopefully) although tricky draw
Rumpy Corleone 3.40 Hunt good e/w
Fantasy Explorer 6.00 Kemp good e/w

Rumpy was

(http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/media/horse_shit.jpg)

at least the 7pm one was right  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2009, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 19, 2009, 03:13:48 PM
Red Suede Shoes 7.00 Kempton will win (hopefully) although tricky draw
Rumpy Corleone 3.40 Hunt good e/w
Fantasy Explorer 6.00 Kemp good e/w

Rumpy was

(http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/media/horse_shit.jpg)

No wonder he didn't win if he was lugging all that around. Would've needed to be a stone well in!!  :D :D

Anyone got any thoughts on the weekend action? I reckon Kauto Star can be taken on this weekend for a number of reasons - Nicholls horses needing the run, heavy ground, ran badly at Haydock last year, 9yo French bred so not likely to be at his best for much longer. For me, Notre Pere is the only one to beat him but even he has a stone to find. 9/4 is on the skinny side and I'm hoping that people will back Kauto Star in their droves out of blind loyalty on Saturday. Notre Pere could drift out to a more backable price if this happens. If they get the rain in England that we had this morning then NP has a right good chance.

The hurdle race at Ascot looks a trappy enough contest to work out. I won't back one on the day but I've backed Karabak antepost for the World Hurdle. With the exception of Big Bucks this is a weak division especially with Punchestowns going chasing and Kasbah Bliss staying on the flat. Karabak shaped like a three miler at Cheltenham last year and he could be the potential improver among the stayers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2009, 10:33:28 AM
Only 2ml of rain overnight at Haydock, might have to reassess my thoughts on the Betfair Chase.

Forecast for tonight is supposedly quite bad though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2009, 11:58:38 AM
Sports Line declared for Navan on Sunday after Thurles was rained out yesterday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 20, 2009, 12:12:25 PM
Heard a tip for selection box this weekend. Not sure of the details. Its running in Ireland somewhere Sat or Sunday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 20, 2009, 12:39:13 PM
1245 Kelso Bishops Heir
105 Exeter Four Strong Winds
205 Ascot Vino Griego
315 Ascot Any Currency

lets see how we get on today...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 20, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
bishops heir winner at 7/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: football-4-life on November 20, 2009, 02:01:02 PM
did it? had 300 hundred on it!! cheers sammy!! :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 20, 2009, 02:05:25 PM
Quote from: football-4-life on November 20, 2009, 02:01:02 PM
did it? had 300 hundred on it!! cheers sammy!! :)

I wouldn't have stuck £300 on it thats for sure, well done man. Hopeful this one now will do well in the 2.05 and really looking forward to the run of Martin Keighley's ANY CURRENCY http://www.martinkeighleyracing.com/Martins_blog.php
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: football-4-life on November 20, 2009, 02:06:39 PM
i have the hole lot on this race!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 20, 2009, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: football-4-life on November 20, 2009, 02:06:39 PM
i have the hole lot on this race!!

your full of the stuff on the top of this page  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 20, 2009, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 20, 2009, 02:05:25 PM
Quote from: football-4-life on November 20, 2009, 02:01:02 PM
did it? had 300 hundred on it!! cheers sammy!! :)

I wouldn't have stuck £300 on it thats for sure, well done man. Hopeful this one now will do well in the 2.05 and really looking forward to the run of Martin Keighley's ANY CURRENCY http://www.martinkeighleyracing.com/Martins_blog.php

BBBBOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!! well done Martin Keighley !!  :D  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on November 20, 2009, 04:07:14 PM
any tips for tonite?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 08:20:31 PM
DESERT VISION in the 8.45 at Wolves
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: down6061689194 on November 21, 2009, 08:26:10 PM
Heard Selection box will take some beating at Navan.

Anyone back Hondo Cool at drumbo last night?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 08:20:31 PM
DESERT VISION in the 8.45 at Wolves

no-one on ???  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 22, 2009, 01:14:29 PM
Treacle 2.35 Navan
Categorical 3.10 Muss
One Cornetto 3.20 Tow

3 donkeys!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 22, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Fancies of your own Sammy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 22, 2009, 02:15:38 PM
no, info on them all, that does not mean they win though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on November 22, 2009, 02:33:29 PM
Any1 any thoughts on Sports line today??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 23, 2009, 02:15:37 PM
was close to the bet of a lifetime yesterday.
Did a canadian and had first 3 up at 20/1 6/1 and 100/30. In fairness the other 2 were stuffed. If one of the others had of clicked we were talking big bucks. Still it paid for a few jars.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 23, 2009, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: maddog on November 23, 2009, 02:15:37 PM
was close to the bet of a lifetime yesterday.
Did a canadian and had first 3 up at 20/1 6/1 and 100/30. In fairness the other 2 were stuffed. If one of the others had of clicked we were talking big bucks. Still it paid for a few jars.

thats something I could say once a week, too many sob stories, I would have the bookie in stitches

only fancies today but might try these later on

15:00 Orchard King 5-1   
15:10 Fit To Drive 4-1 
15:20 Sweet As Pye 7-2   
15:30 Dusk 6-5
15:40 Calzaghe Evs
15:50 Saindor 5-4

3 winners, 3 losers and a double let down by half a length (only small profit after the 6/1 shot)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 24, 2009, 12:38:17 PM
looking for some value - these look appealing at decent odds

1.10 Lingfield - JENNYS GOLD
1.50 Sedgfield - SKYE BUT N BEN
2.20 Sedgfield - BORDER FLORA
3.10 Lingfield - RILEYEV
3.20 Sedgfield - MATMAN DE TENDRON
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2009, 06:16:43 PM
Good card at Naas tomorrow, hopefully it'll pass the inspection in the morning.

Should be a straightforward task for Luska Lad in the first. The second race looks a cracking contest - Captain Cee Bee, Nicanor, Apt Approach and Zaarito. Captain Cee Bee looked a serious tool when he stuffed Binocular but we haven't seen him since he burst a blood vessel at Liverpool that year. Race to watch for Arkle clues for definite.

Might chance Enda Bolger's Arabella Boy e/w in the listed hurdle against Torphichen and Ebadiyan. The 2m4 handicap chase is another interesting conest. Bringbackthebiff stands out for me running off 136. He was outclassed in the Arkle last time out but with O'Grady and McNamara now in sparkling form, I think he could be a good bit better than his current mark.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 25, 2009, 09:26:05 AM
Naas abandoned.

Was on this site this morning looking a few tips.  It's usually pretty good

http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/racing/racing_tipping_centre/

I also had the Irish News in my hand and was comparing them.  Was suprised to see that Red Hand has the exact same tips in the IN.  This lazy journalism or are they the same person?

Dundalk tonight 7.30  Lord Kenmare
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on November 25, 2009, 09:35:58 AM
i read the sporting life tips everyday and have started to notice recently that their 2 naps usually coincide with the 2 of the 4 horses picked out in the irish news for their daily yankee
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 25, 2009, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Joxer on November 25, 2009, 09:26:05 AM
Naas abandoned.

Was on this site this morning looking a few tips.  It's usually pretty good

http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/racing/racing_tipping_centre/

I also had the Irish News in my hand and was comparing them.  Was suprised to see that Red Hand has the exact same tips in the IN.  This lazy journalism or are they the same person?

Dundalk tonight 7.30  Lord Kenmare

"Redhand" and "Newsboy" have been providing tips to loads of Newspapers for 120 years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 25, 2009, 01:43:42 PM
2 triers here, gonne try an e/w double

Whistleinthewind
    2/1 SP         
LINGFIELD
2:35 MAIDEN STAKES 1m
2009-11-25 14:35:00
Win or each way
Whistleinthewind
1/5 places 1,2,3   
   
Quick Release     8/1 SP         
LINGFIELD
3:10 HANDICAP (0-85) 1m
2009-11-25 15:10:00
Win or each way
Quick Release
1/5 places 1,2,3   

Est. returns: 766.00

Total stake: 50.00
Potential returns: 766.00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 26, 2009, 01:03:26 PM
1 30 COLOMBARD
2 40 RUSTARIX
3 45 COURT IN MOTION

all trying this afternoon so I am informed....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 26, 2009, 03:12:50 PM
Hugh Taylor at it again!

Zarrafakt won @12/1 and Exmoor Ranger just won @ 4/1!

Done Rustarix and Court In Motion in an e/w double so fingers crossed!

Hugh has also went for Call me a legend in the 3.15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on November 26, 2009, 03:27:31 PM
did a small each way double on get me out of here 3.15 newbury (won at 4/1) and brimham boy 2.30 (2nd at 10/3)

im no good at working out in my head each way doubles but the online calculator is saying i get the same for 'get me out of here' winning than i wud hav if it had been placed.
why is this so?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on November 26, 2009, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Clown on November 26, 2009, 03:27:31 PM
did a small each way double on get me out of here 3.15 newbury (won at 4/1) and brimham boy 2.30 (2nd at 10/3)

im no good at working out in my head each way doubles but the online calculator is saying i get the same for 'get me out of here' winning than i wud hav if it had been placed.
why is this so?

Because if they both don't win you only get paid out on the place prices.  You need both horses to win for a decent return for horses in around the prices you have mentioned.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 26, 2009, 03:37:54 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 26, 2009, 03:12:50 PM
Hugh Taylor at it again!

Zarrafakt won @12/1 and Exmoor Ranger just won @ 4/1!

Done Rustarix and Court In Motion in an e/w double so fingers crossed!

Hugh has also went for Call me a legend in the 3.15

Tipped that beast up on here for a handicap at Wincanton a few weeks ago and it ran like a hairy goat. Hope people reclaimed the losses today.

That Hugh Taylor is some operator alright. He puts the overhyped Pricewise to shame. Segal is good for some of the big flat sprint handicaps but he's rubbish over jumps.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 26, 2009, 04:24:11 PM
2 3rd Places....sweet! Cheers Sammy boy!

Work for the owners of 2 highly thought of sprinters so will keep you all posted on any news!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 26, 2009, 04:29:48 PM
not that pleased myself, things being a bit tricky in last few weeks... all about you fancied in the 4.30 lads, fallon riding 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 26, 2009, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 26, 2009, 04:29:48 PM
not that pleased myself, things being a bit tricky in last few weeks... all about you fancied in the 4.30 lads, fallon riding

I'm taking a break...  ???  >:(  :-\  it was J P Guillambert not Fallon too!  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 26, 2009, 06:02:42 PM
Have a look at Boynagh Joy 645 Dundalk.


Get up ya boy ya ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on November 26, 2009, 08:42:17 PM
Top man boo! Your two from two for me. Your getting a christmas card
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 26, 2009, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 26, 2009, 06:02:42 PM
Have a look at Boynagh Joy 645 Dundalk.

Get up ya boy ya ;D ;D

nice winner, boo, but i missed it booooooooooooohhhhoooooooooooo :( i know i said i was quitting but jack rio e/w and street legal in the last of the day for me .... i might have one for tomorrow afternoon too....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 26, 2009, 09:24:20 PM
No bother Gerry,the more people that beats the Bookies the better.
Sorry Sammy didnt get on,I owe you a few winners at this stage.
Il look out for ya 2mrw,headin to Dublin for the wkend could do with a few beer vouchers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on November 27, 2009, 11:10:04 AM
Steeplechase and hurdle racing in the Australian state of Victoria will be abolished in 2010, prompted by the deaths of 20 horses in two years.

The decision follows a comprehensive review of the sport and has been welcomed by animal welfare groups.

However, members of the racing industry have reacted with anger, calling it "unbelievable" and "appalling".

Racing's governing body in Victoria had conceded that the sport was in decline because of mounting safety concerns.

Furious response

Animal rights campaigners have described racing over hurdles and fences as not only shameful and barbaric but "morally wrong".

An official review of the industry last year recommended a raft of new safety measures, all of which were adopted by authorities in Victoria.

Despite the changes, the fatalities have continued, with eight horses dying in races this season.

The deaths prompted an urgent investigation, which has resulted in the banning of the sport.

It has drawn a furious response from some owners, trainers and jockeys.

Steeplechase events in Victoria will go on for another year in an attempt to soften the impact of their abolition on those involved.

Neighbouring South Australia, the only other state in the country that allows jump racing, has said its programme will continue and hopes to attract trainers and horses from Victoria.

However, officials in South Australia are not celebrating and have expressed deep concerns about the long-term viability of their steeplechasing industry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 27, 2009, 12:25:33 PM
And the Aussies say we're soft!  ::)

Plenty of short ones to get stuck into today. Belvano has been bought by JP and has been backed for the Supreme Novices in the past few days so I'd expect him to take that last at Newbury. Luska Lad and Rhyl Accord should go in at Thurles.

Looking forward to seeing Punchestowns over fences. Classy horse who could go to the top.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 27, 2009, 12:35:13 PM
sorry its late, Regal Lyric in the 12.40 @ Muss should win 3/1  MEATH ALL STAR is another one that should win 1.45

jeez, i really don't know - the winner was 14th in a race at naas last week and then it bolts up today  ???  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 27, 2009, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 27, 2009, 12:35:13 PM
sorry its late, Regal Lyric in the 12.40 @ Muss should win 3/1

Looks like he needs a stiffer track. Could be one to catch at a bigger price if he pitches up at somewhere like Hexham or Carlisle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 27, 2009, 01:45:17 PM
I fancy Solwit tomorrow in the Fighting Fifth at Newcastle. Solwit was impressive when turning over Huricane Fly and Id say he could come on from the run. Binocular could need the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 27, 2009, 02:29:22 PM
I certainly wouldn't disagree with that Mickey. Last couple of the day Intyre Trail Dund 7.00, Tocca Ferro 3.45 Newb

I think 7/2 for Denman tomorrow is a STEAL!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 27, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
Can't have him at all myself Sammy. He won it two years ago off 161 but he'll be running off 174 tomorrow. I'd be amazed if he wins. Not the kind of race I'd usually be getting too involved in financially but I reckon Barbers Shop is an excellent e/w bet for Queen Lizzy.

Solwhit and Binocular is a fascinating clash. Solwhit has the advantage of a run but he goes well fresh and Byrnes said after the Morgiana that if he was going to beat Hurricane Fly this season, that was the day he'd do it. Binocular is a buzzy little French flat bred. I don't think he'll need the run at all. I doubt I'll have a bet but it should be a hell of a race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 27, 2009, 03:39:46 PM
Also, fancy Killyglen for the big race tomorrow. It will take some performance by Denman to win the race after the injury set backs he has had and having to defy top weight.
State of play could be an interesting runner in this off a low weight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on November 27, 2009, 04:27:35 PM
I'm siding with Solwhit over Binocular but I wouldn't discount Sublimity lads he'll push them very close. Still fancy Hurricane Fly to beat them all in the CH.

Really looking forward to Denman's run. The weight is a big ask but I just can't let him go untouched at 7/2.

Also lads if you have a few sheckels to spare you could do worse than throwing it on Donegal tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 27, 2009, 04:46:36 PM
There's plenty of 4/1 available about Denman according to oddschecker. (Not that I'll be taking any of it myself!)

Donegal has sharpened up his act over hurdles according to Robbie Hennessy's blog on the RP website. If he could translate only half of his flat ability (beaten a head by Conduit at Glorious Goodwood a few years back) than he'd be at least graded class over timber.

Quantitiveeasing is another one to watch up at Newcastle tomorrow for Henderson and AP. Like Belvano today, he has been bought by JP from the Magniers. Won a bumper at Punchestown last April with his head in his chest. Could be a Ballymore horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 27, 2009, 04:55:24 PM
cheers DH - great weekend of racing so hopefully the weather will not affect it too much

I wonder if Hardhibald is fit? He has won around Dundalk before. Who is Donegal playing anyhow??!  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 27, 2009, 05:12:19 PM
I'd say he's fit enough, only ran last month behind Sizing Europe in a novice chase.

Deccie seems to get a good old tune out of him. Not afraid to give him a few cracks unlike Paul.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 28, 2009, 12:20:54 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 27, 2009, 03:39:46 PMAlso, fancy Killyglen for the big race tomorrow. It will take some performance by Denman to win the race after the injury set backs he has had and having to defy top weight. State of play could be an interesting runner in this off a low weight.

I've gone strong on Killyglen myself.  This will be his longest race ever, by a furlong and the further he goes, the better he gets. He'll love the ground and his run first time out at Carlisle will have set him up nicely for this.

I'm a bit of a stats freak and his stats-based profile comes out at joint no. 1 in the race (with What A Friend), based on the last ten winners – age, weight, runs, wins, chasing experience.

I'm ruling out Denman completely on the basis that it's impossible to give 12 lbs to the field and 18 lbs and more to anything with a top chance over 3 and a quarter miles on soft ground with a bad heart. Unless he's a freak. If he is and does it, it'll be worth the price of my bet to watch it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 28, 2009, 01:10:55 PM
Charles Byrnes' big hitters are out for Weapons Amnesty in the next at Newcastle. Being backed off the boards.

Interesting to see if they punt Solwhit in the Fighting Fifth.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 28, 2009, 02:00:01 PM
Where does that leave the Champion Hurdle?

Solwhit and Binocular both well beaten. Great win for Go Native with Sublimity second. 5 or 6 jumped the last in a line but Go Native completely out paced the field up to the line.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 28, 2009, 02:01:26 PM
Farcical race pacewise with a plethora of horses still in with a chance at the second last. Blows the Champion Hurdle market wide open though.

Given how Hurricane Fly kicked Go Native out of the way twice last year, I know what I'll be backing over the next few days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 28, 2009, 02:23:18 PM
after I lump on Quantitiveeasing, decided I'm gonna back Denman and Ballyfitz on the Henessy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 28, 2009, 02:30:10 PM
Brother to Asian Maze. Looks a real nice prospect. Definitely looks like he'll make up into a Ballymore contender.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 28, 2009, 03:28:41 PM
Some display of jumping from Denman. Superb.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 28, 2009, 03:29:38 PM
Some performance by Denman. I really didn't think he was still capable of that kind of run. Leopardstown up next apparently. Ruby could have some headache choosing one for the Gold Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on November 28, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
Apologies to anyone who followed me with Donegal, a very poor effort.

How Sublimity was let go off at such a big price I will never know but you gotta love guarenteed prices.

Simply breathtaking display of jumping by Denman, fantastic to see him back to his best. The race made all the better by some great Simon Holt commentary.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 29, 2009, 11:50:45 AM
Fairyhouse off due to the rain  >:(

Rescheduled for Wednesday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 29, 2009, 01:16:47 PM
might have to take the day off now  :-\ KING OZZY 2.55 Leic big run expected
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 29, 2009, 01:40:30 PM
Much of a price or odds on?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 30, 2009, 09:18:05 AM
Parsons pistol finally clicked for me over the weekend. A horse ive always liked. Got to be backed in March.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 30, 2009, 12:34:11 PM
Quote from: maddog on November 30, 2009, 09:18:05 AM
Parsons pistol finally clicked for me over the weekend. A horse ive always liked. Got to be backed in March.

There's no race for him in March. Surely he'll end up at either Fairyhouse or possibly even Aintree in April for one of the Nationals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 30, 2009, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 30, 2009, 12:34:11 PM
Quote from: maddog on November 30, 2009, 09:18:05 AM
Parsons pistol finally clicked for me over the weekend. A horse ive always liked. Got to be backed in March.

There's no race for him in March. Surely he'll end up at either Fairyhouse or possibly even Aintree in April for one of the Nationals.

4 miler at the festival ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 30, 2009, 01:00:46 PM
Parsons Pistol isn't qualified for that race this year maddog as he is no longer a novice. Pity he came down when he did in it last year because Nina was only getting him motoring.

Coolcashin and Aranleigh would be the two I'd have my eye on for that race in the long-term.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 30, 2009, 01:56:52 PM
got told to be with these at Wolverhampton this afternoon

Miss Perfection         
Jord   
Almaty Express     
Always The One         
               
STRAWBERRY should run well too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 01, 2009, 01:37:57 PM
Harchibald retires (http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/classy-harchibald-retired-after-latest-disappointment/659028/standard/)

A peculiar and contrary horse but undoubtedly talented, landing a total of 5 Grade 1s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 01, 2009, 01:49:51 PM
Hurakan 3.00 and you want to be with very stylish ew 3.40

more dross  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 01, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Barker at 12-1 with Paddy Power for the Tingle - mightn't be a bad ew?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 01, 2009, 02:20:31 PM
I know it was Saturday but I really don't think I ever enjoyed a winner as much as Denman in the Hennessy.Especially when I had told all and sundry that he would win.People seemed to forget he still ran 2nd in the Gold Cup after a disastrous year.That was far better form than any other horse had shown in the race. Another thing that made my mind up was Nicholls coming out and saying the best he could hope for was 4th or 5th.He pulled the same trick 2 years ago when he walked away with it at 5/1.
Ruby has an unenviable job and it really is hard to know what to choose.Denman will have 1 more run before March and at the moment my head would have to say the Tank.Although its a race that already has me excited.
Try Maurisca ew 240 hereford
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2009, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on December 01, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Barker at 12-1 with Paddy Power for the Tingle - mightn't be a bad ew?

I've been told his entry at Sandown is only a precaution and that he is more likely to run at Punchestown in the Durkan or at Cork next weekend in the Hilly Way Chase.

Pity that old Harchi won't be seen on the track again. What a joker of a horse! Will never forget that '05 Champion Hurdle, Hardy and the Inca both at it hammer and tongs up the hill with Harchi swinging on the bit in between them, Carberry with his arse perched in the air. One of the best Cheltenham finishes ever.

(http://www.hunterchasers.co.uk/steve/Chelterham2005/Hardy%20Eustace,%20Harchibald%20and%20Brave%20Inca%20jump%20the%20last%20in%20the%20Champion%20Hurdle.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2009, 08:52:58 PM
Great action at Fairyhouse tomorrow.

Have taken the last of that 5/2 available about Dunguib for Cheltenham before it goes.

My RSA Chase bet Pandorama goes in the Drinmore. He'd prefer to be going left handed but is probably still overpriced for tomorrow at 5/1. Might have another few bob on for the RSA with Ladbrokes @ 25/1.

The Hattons Grace looks a poor enough renewal with the winners of the last two runnings - Catch Me and Aitmatov taking each other on. Catch Me is the hot favourite but he has been chasing and I think it is worth taking a chance on Aitmatov at 4/1. Looked back to his best with the blinds on first time at Navan last time out. His owner, John O'Meara from Kilcock, sadly died last Friday so he'd be a poignant winner.

The bumper is an interesting contest on paper. The word is that the Mullins horse Avrika Ligeonniere is something of a machine.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 01, 2009, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2009, 08:52:58 PM

Have taken the last of that 5/2 available about Dunguib for Cheltenham before it goes.

He might not go much shorter than 5/2, especially since an impressive win tomorrow may see him targeted at the Champion Hurdle instead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2009, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 01, 2009, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2009, 08:52:58 PM

Have taken the last of that 5/2 available about Dunguib for Cheltenham before it goes.

He might not go much shorter than 5/2, especially since an impressive win tomorrow may see him targeted at the Champion Hurdle instead.

Reckon he could be 7/4 even 6/4 in places after tomorrow. Don't think he'll go Champion Hurdle route no matter how many of the market principals there get turned over. Fenton is a fairly cautious type and he only has him in the novice at Christmas. If they are considering the Champion Hurdle then they'd have to run him against the established hurdlers at some stage before Cheltenham. Irish Champion Hurdle in January would be the only chance for that now that he isn't in the Christmas Hurdle at Leopardstown. I've already had small savers on him for the Champion and even the Ballymore but I think its long odds on he'll be in the Supreme.

I await Fenton being interviewed after the race tomorrow saying he thinks he'll run him in the Champion!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 01, 2009, 10:17:23 PM
So I take it he's gonna win 2mrw? Think I seen 4/11 in Paddys earlier.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2009, 10:26:51 PM
Well the two other horses that the market gives a squeek to - Sweeps Hill 9/2 and Some Present 5/1 were both beaten by 9L and 10L by Dunguib in the Punchestown and Cheltenham bumpers respectively. They'd want to have made serious improvement and Dunguib would want to put in a terrible round of hurdling for them to turn that form around.

4/11 wouldn't be many people's idea of a bet. Much prefer to play the 5/2 antepost myself but each to their own. Can't see anything in Ireland getting this beast off the bit so there could always be the opportunity to lay some of that bet off at a much shorter price before Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 02, 2009, 12:28:39 PM
Fairyhouse picks this afternoon

12:45 Dunguib 

13:20 Jered

13:50 Catch Me

14:20 Give It Time

14:55 Bigbiggerbiggest

15:25 Arvika Ligeonniere
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 02, 2009, 01:45:35 PM
Another impressive win for Dunguib and good news for Donnellys Hollow as it's looks like Fenton & Co. are staying with the Supreme.

Dunguib canters to victory in Royal Bond

Bar One Racing Royal Bond Novice Hurdle (Grade 1) 2m

DUNGUIB continued his rise to stardom at Fairyhouse on Wednesday cantering to victory and maintaining his unbeaten hurdles record in the process.

Bookmakers reacted by cutting the Philip Fenton-trained six-year-old for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle, while Paddy Power make the son of Presenting 4-1 favourite for the Smurfit Kappa Champion Hurdle with a run. However, most bookmakers have him at 16-1 for the race in March.

Sent-off the red-hot 30-100 favourite for the rescheduled Grade 1 contest, Dunguib hacked along behind pacesetting outsider Deise Dan before cruising past him at the top of the home straight.

Jockey Brian O'Connell, who was riding his first winner since turning professional, had a quick look over his shoulder before jumping the penultimate flight and saw main rival Sweeps Hill in trouble under jockey Tony McCoy.
Philip Fenton

Dunguib, running in the colours of part-owner Daniel Harnett, burst clear approaching the last hurdle and eased home to win by seven lengths from 6-1 chance Some Present.

A delighted Philip Fenton, who indicated that Dunguib is likely to stick to novice races this season, said: "That was marvellous, it could not have been better. His jumping was excellent bar one mistake and he was particularly good at the last two when Brian asked him.

"We'll have to have a chat about Leopardstown [the Grade 1 Paddypowerpoker.com Future Champions Novice Hurdle on December 27], but we might give it a miss and go for the Deloitte [Hurdle on February 7] before Cheltenham."

O'Connell said: "He was very good. The gallop helped his jumping and he jumped well."

Thomas Mullins, trainer of runner up Some Present, said: "I'm well pleased with that run. The winner is exceptional however, and we'll have a think before deciding on Leopardstown at Christmas [same target as Dunguib]."
Title: Re: 2-20
Post by: JohnDenver on December 02, 2009, 03:51:26 PM
Quote from: drici on December 02, 2009, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on October 15, 2009, 12:57:29 PM

Cara Mara 3:45 Punchestown.  Won for me last two times out at 16/1 both times. Going to have another go on it today. Owes me nothing!


Wins the 2-20 at Fairyhouse at 20/1.

Sidelinekick has just informed me that he had went to place a bet on this horse at 33/1, got as far as the bet confirmation screen and it wouldn't let him process it. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 02, 2009, 04:52:17 PM
What happened to Arvika Ligeonni?  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 02, 2009, 05:23:58 PM
Some ride by Ruby on Lochan Lacha in the 2.55 Fairyhouse. The horse looked beat, Ruby kept pushing. Lost the whip 2 out and used his hand to drive the horse through a small gap to win on the line.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on December 02, 2009, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 02, 2009, 05:23:58 PM
Some ride by Ruby on Lochan Lacha in the 2.55 Fairyhouse. The horse looked beat, Ruby kept pushing. Lost the whip 2 out and used his hand to drive the horse through a small gap to win on the line.

Is was some peformance to pull the horse over the line,after coming over the last in fourth but he gave the horse an awful lot to do.. I felt he stayed at the back for too long!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 02, 2009, 07:05:52 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 26, 2009, 06:28:19 PM
We saw a future superstar of the flat on Saturday in St Nicholas Abbey. I think we'll see a future steeplechasing superstar in the beginners chase at Punchestown tomorrow.

Pandorama makes his debut over the larger obstacles. He won't be a backable price tomorrow but he's well worth an antepost investment for Cheltenham even at this stage. There's plenty of 20/1 and bigger available about him for the RSA Chase. The only horse to beat him over hurdles was Mikael D'Haguenet and Pandorama finished lame that day. Noel Meade thinks he's a future Gold Cup horse and that's good enough for me.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2009, 08:52:58 PM
Great action at Fairyhouse tomorrow.

Have taken the last of that 5/2 available about Dunguib for Cheltenham before it goes.

My RSA Chase bet Pandorama goes in the Drinmore. He'd prefer to be going left handed but is probably still overpriced for tomorrow at 5/1. Might have another few bob on for the RSA with Ladbrokes @ 25/1.

Great when a plan starts coming together!

This Dunguib is a special horse. Some Present and Sweeps Hill are no slouches and he has absolutely murdered them. Had a look at him coming back in and he wasn't blowing at all. He'd have harder mornings up the gallops at Philip Fenton's. Champion Hurdle all but ruled out so all guns blazing for the Supreme Novices. The 2/1 available could still be some value. There's no horse in Ireland that will get him at it and they'll want to have something exceptional in England to stop him.

Pandorama did what I expected him to do. The jumping out to the left was a concern to me at Punchestown but Meade knew what he was doing. If he was worried about it he wouldn't have risked him here and gone straight to Leopardstown. Hard to believe he was 5/1 last night. Can't wait to see him going left-handed over three miles at Christmas. Reckon his price could half for the Sun Alliance Chase after the Knight Frank. With Mikael D'Haguenet likely to go the Arkle route, I can't see that many class staying novice chasers around apart from Punchestowns.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 03, 2009, 12:00:16 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 02, 2009, 07:05:52 PM
...Pandorama did what I expected him to do....

Happy days :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2009, 01:49:20 AM
Quote from: Treasurer on December 03, 2009, 12:00:16 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 02, 2009, 07:05:52 PM
...Pandorama did what I expected him to do....

Happy days :D

;)

Captain Cee Bee out first time over fences at Naas tomorrow. Shergar has been seen more often recently than this horse but he could be anything if Eddie Harty has him back sound. He outfought Binocular giving him 7lbs in the Supreme Novices a few years ago and he always looked like he'd make a better chaser. McCoy is staying over for the ride which is a positve. Race to watch with a view to the Arkle. Hope he wins and sets up a fascinating clash with Sizing Europe and Sports Line on Stephens' Day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on December 03, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
mighty bob in the 2.50 at nass. A mate works with one of his syndicate and swear by him ( famous last words!!) In from 33's to 16 so far
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 03, 2009, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: ludermor on December 03, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
mighty bob in the 2.50 at nass. A mate works with one of his syndicate and swear by him ( famous last words!!) In from 33's to 16 so far

cheers Luder, i'll have a few quid e/w and stick in another one somewhere...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2009, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2009, 01:49:20 AM
;)

Captain Cee Bee out first time over fences at Naas tomorrow. Shergar has been seen more often recently than this horse but he could be anything if Eddie Harty has him back sound. He outfought Binocular giving him 7lbs in the Supreme Novices a few years ago and he always looked like he'd make a better chaser. McCoy is staying over for the ride which is a positve. Race to watch with a view to the Arkle. Hope he wins and sets up a fascinating clash with Sizing Europe and Sports Line on Stephens' Day.

He's back alright. How on earth was he allowed go off @ 4/1?

Sets up a hell of a race at Christmas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 03, 2009, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2009, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2009, 01:49:20 AM
;)

Captain Cee Bee out first time over fences at Naas tomorrow. Shergar has been seen more often recently than this horse but he could be anything if Eddie Harty has him back sound. He outfought Binocular giving him 7lbs in the Supreme Novices a few years ago and he always looked like he'd make a better chaser. McCoy is staying over for the ride which is a positve. Race to watch with a view to the Arkle. Hope he wins and sets up a fascinating clash with Sizing Europe and Sports Line on Stephens' Day.



He's back alright
. How on earth was he allowed go off @ 4/1?

Sets up a hell of a race at Christmas.

Great to see.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on December 03, 2009, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: ludermor on December 03, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
mighty bob in the 2.50 at nass. A mate works with one of his syndicate and swear by him ( famous last words!!) In from 33's to 16 so far



Ludermore
You go to the top of my Christmas card list!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 03, 2009, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: ludermor on December 03, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
mighty bob in the 2.50 at nass. A mate works with one of his syndicate and swear by him ( famous last words!!) In from 33's to 16 so far

this was the christmas money waiting to be had fella, fantastic shout  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 03, 2009, 03:02:52 PM
Woohoo!! thanks Luder!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on December 03, 2009, 03:03:34 PM
Thanks! You have saved Xmas!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: football-4-life on December 03, 2009, 03:08:34 PM
brillant!! i onli had 5e/w!! :<!! much did yas have on it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on December 03, 2009, 03:12:05 PM
Woohoo! Was in a meeting and only checked it now! I got it at 25s in ladbrokes so happy f**king days!I put 50 each way on it, for one i went with it, so im looking at 1700 in the account now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 03, 2009, 03:17:46 PM
Thats great tipping. Fair play.

As usual I didnt have a cent on it!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 03, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
Good lad ludermor, got a tenner ew at 14's ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on December 03, 2009, 03:25:33 PM

fair play 25 e/w at 12's.

Her xmas present sorted now.
Thanks ludermor
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 03, 2009, 03:27:33 PM
Quote from: maddog on December 03, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
Good lad ludermor, got a tenner ew at 14's ;D

Same here. Great stuff Ludermor!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 03, 2009, 03:32:47 PM
I also included him in a lucky 31 and made another 60 quid there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 03, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Great tipping Ludermor. Missed it myself but glad for everyone who was on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on December 03, 2009, 03:54:27 PM
FFS sack the one day i dont check >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 03, 2009, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 03, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Great tipping Ludermor. Missed it myself but glad for everyone who was on.
+1

Sick all the same
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2009, 06:20:28 PM
Quote from: ludermor on December 03, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
mighty bob in the 2.50 at nass. A mate works with one of his syndicate and swear by him ( famous last words!!) In from 33's to 16 so far

Nice little coup for all the lads involved. Fair play to the trainer for getting him so well handicapped - his first winner since 2003!

Well done sir!   ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: harlechman on December 03, 2009, 11:22:41 PM
Captain Cee Bee still available at 25s with Laddies for the Arkle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 04, 2009, 10:41:50 AM
Sandown 12.50 - who wants to volunteer to go into a bookies and ask a lady cashier if they can have Spunk each way??

"Spunk in a Double with Full Toss in the 12.40 please"  :o  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on December 04, 2009, 10:51:17 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 04, 2009, 10:41:50 AM
Sandown 12.50 - who wants to volunteer to go into a bookies and ask a lady cashier if they can have Spunk each way??

"Spunk in a Double with Full Toss in the 12.40 please"  :o  :o

Or £20 on Spunk, on the nose.......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 04, 2009, 11:21:32 AM
If Full Toss goes well at 12.40, i wud hope Spunk will be produced late at 12.50 to just get there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on December 04, 2009, 12:18:11 PM
Went for the 'fools' (perverts) double on these two.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on December 04, 2009, 12:53:51 PM
as i am 10 also did that double. sweating on spunky coming in now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 04, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
Spunk wins well in a joke of a contest!!! happy days!! Cockatoo runs later on today but that might be pushing it  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on December 04, 2009, 01:00:25 PM
got the double. Have spunk, toss, french leave all up on luck 15, waiting on ray diamond in the 1.00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 04, 2009, 01:03:04 PM
Quote from: gaa.boy on December 04, 2009, 01:00:25 PM
got the double. Have spunk, toss, french leave all up on luck 15, waiting on ray diamond in the 1.00

something you might have shared earlier about this outsider or total guess?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on December 04, 2009, 01:08:04 PM
Stuffed! Only picked it as I was following money horses earlier.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on December 04, 2009, 02:16:10 PM
Thanks for Mighty Bob tip.

Only checked online to see a nice tidy bump in my account.

Cheers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 04, 2009, 04:02:29 PM
Could be totally wrong but i think Big Zeb is poor value tomorrow. In against much more experienced chasers, he's an iffy enough jumper and presumably fav on merit of what i think is false form when he ran master minded close at punchestown. Id fancy Well Chief to finish in front of him. Sandown takes a bit of jumping.
But as i say could be totally wrong.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 04, 2009, 04:27:43 PM
If any of them turn it into a charge I can't see Big Zeb's jumping holding up around Sandown either.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 04, 2009, 05:14:39 PM
I wouldn't say the Punchestown form is false form Maddog. I've always thought that Master Minded was just a bit overhyped anyway. His first Champion Chase was a bit of a freak in my view. He bolted up against Voy Por Ustedes and everyone overreacted and proclaimed him as the second coming. He got a rating of 186 for that run, then he went to Liverpool though and that form was turned on its head. Voy Por Ustedes is a game and consistent little horse but he is probably a stone shy of the likes of Moscow Flyer, Azertyioup and Well Chief from their best in 2004/5. Master Minded never ran against horses of that class and it is hard to quantify his ability as a result.

Big Zeb tried to take the last with him at Punchestown that day and he would have undoubtedly beaten Master Minded had he jumped it better. He is an extremely talented animal but I think he is just a bit thick. He doesn't know how to get in close and pop at a fence when he is not meeting it on a good stride. He just maintains his stride pattern and gallops on through the birch. If he jumps like he did at Navan I'd expect him to win tomorrow but I suspect them Railway fences down the back straight might catch him out.

I'm a huge Well Chief fan but I'm not sure he represents much value tomorrow. Mahogony Blaze and Newmill were far too close for my liking at Cheltenham. Twist Magic is no value either, he has about ten different ways of running and if he wasn't a Nicholls/Walsh combo he'd be two or three times his current price.

That leaves me with Forpadydeplasterer who is far too big at 7/1-13/2. The ground isn't ideal but it won't be anywhere near what he encounters over here and he got through it fine at Leopardstown twice last year. There's no pace in this race tomorrow and I'd be surprised if McCoy doesn't try and make all. The horse showed in the Arkle that he jumps and stays and if he is still in front jumping that Pond fence the rest could be in trouble. Kalahari King was flying jumping the last in the Arkle but he just couldn't get past Forpadydeplasterer up the hill no matter how hard he tried. He is the only one of this field that is unexposed an capable of further improvement. The very least I'm expecting of him tomorrow is a good run for my money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2009, 02:42:39 PM
That's why Ruby is the best in the business. Got Twist Magic on a going day and rode the rest of them to sleep from the front. Wouldn't trust that horse as far as I could throw him though. He'll probably go off odds on next time out and be pulled up.

Big Zeb jumped like a mule down the back and Well Chief isn't within two stone of where he was five years ago which is understandable. Happy enough with Forpadydeplasterer's run. I got the place money anyway. He couldn't go with Twist Magic down the back but that was his first run out of novice company really given that the race up North was against second season chasers. He'll come on for the experience and improve for better ground. I think Tom Cooper will be tempted to give him a crack at the Champion Chase now given Master Minded's problems.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on December 05, 2009, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2009, 02:42:39 PM
That's why Ruby is the best in the business. Got Twist Magic on a going day and rode the rest of them to sleep from the front. Wouldn't trust that horse as far as I could throw him though. He'll probably go off odds on next time out and be pulled up.

Big Zeb jumped like a mule down the back and Well Chief isn't within two stone of where he was five years ago which is understandable. Happy enough with Forpadydeplasterer's run. I got the place money anyway. He couldn't go with Twist Magic down the back but that was his first run out of novice company really given that the race up North was against second season chasers. He'll come on for the experience and improve for better ground. I think Tom Cooper will be tempted to give him a crack at the Champion Chase now given Master Minded's problems.

your being a bit harsh on twist magic, won the tingle creek two years back, admittedly does not like cheltenham but horses for courses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2009, 05:29:06 PM
I don't think I am being too harsh on him. He obviously has ability but he is fustratingly inconsistent and I doubt he'll run up to anywhere near this form for the rest of the season.

Remember last year when he came down two out in the Tingle Creek when still holding every chance, he went to Kempton over Christmas for the Desert Orchid Chase and he was sent off a well-backed jolly. He then went and planted himself at the start, only consented to take part after three or four attempts to line up and ran like a hairy goat against a field of moderate Grade 2 horses.

He'll probably be a short-price favourite next time out and I'd certainly want to be a layer if he was running against anything of note. Ruby won't be available for the Kempton race again this year. Do you think someone like Christian Williams or Nick Schofield would give this horse as tactically an astute a ride as Ruby gave him today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on December 05, 2009, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2009, 05:29:06 PM
I don't think I am being too harsh on him. He obviously has ability but he is fustratingly inconsistent and I doubt he'll run up to anywhere near this form for the rest of the season.

Remember last year when he came down two out in the Tingle Creek when still holding every chance, he went to Kempton over Christmas for the Desert Orchid Chase and he was sent off a well-backed jolly. He then went and planted himself at the start, only consented to take part after three or four attempts to line up and ran like a hairy goat against a field of moderate Grade 2 horses.

He'll probably be a short-price favourite next time out and I'd certainly want to be a layer if he was running against anything of note. Ruby won't be available for the Kempton race again this year. Do you think someone like Christian Williams or Nick Schofield would give this horse as tactically an astute a ride as Ruby gave him today?

I have made my money on him today, i wont back him again this year, but two tingle creeks is a pretty good achievment. agree with you on ruby, a true master.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 06, 2009, 01:07:54 AM
Clonmel is off tomorrow. Pity, because next year's Triumph Hurdle winner was down to run there  ;)

The John Durkan at Punchestown looks a fine contest. Couldn't rule any of the field out but I'd have a slight preference for Aran Concerto. Doubt I'll have a bet in the race.

Knockara Beau and Money Trix could well be worth a double at Kelso. Knockara Beau was a high class novice hurdler and I feel he is slightly under the radar as a novice chaser. Wouldn't surprise me if he won a big prize this year at a big price. The Czech lad that rides him isn't that well known but I've been very impressed with him whenever I've seen him. Money Trix is a fragile old horse but on his day he's a bloody good animal. If Richards is serious about running him in the Lexus then he should win this handily.

Might give Copper Bleu another chance at Warwick if the price is right. Hobbs' horses are a bit in and out at the moment but his novice chasers usually improve a lot for their seasonal reappearnce.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 06, 2009, 12:00:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 06, 2009, 01:07:54 AM
Clonmel is off tomorrow. Pity, because next year's Triumph Hurdle winner was down to run there  ;)


spill the beans DH... nice new avatar by the way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 06, 2009, 12:38:00 PM
Alaivan - Edward O'Grady & Thomas Barr. Picked up for a tidy sum from John Oxx's.

Knockara Beau now 1/5 with the only other threat in the race Gansey a NR.  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 06, 2009, 03:30:09 PM
cheers, i'll keep an eye out for that one

Spiritual Guidance - 3.40 fancied to win (travelled ok, no turn of foot)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 07, 2009, 02:09:28 PM
on a dodgy run but told to follow these this afternoon  ???

Le Chiffe 2.30
Sea Venture 2.50
Iguacu 3.30
Fandango Boy 4.40

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 07, 2009, 02:31:36 PM
What did u make of Joncols performance yesterday? I have been very impressed by this horse and I think he will be the one to beat in the Lexus. He is still a very young horse and could be a potential Gold Cup horse!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 07, 2009, 02:52:15 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 07, 2009, 02:31:36 PM
What did u make of Joncols performance yesterday? I have been very impressed by this horse and I think he will be the one to beat in the Lexus. He is still a very young horse and could be a potential Gold Cup horse!

He'll take all the beating in the Lexus alright. I can't fathom how that slow old boat Notre Pere is favourite ahead of him. With Denman waiting for the Aon, Imperial Commander going to Kempton and Cooldine now a doubt, I think he could have a relatively straightforward task at Leopardstown.

He could well develop into a Gold Cup horse in the future but quicker ground is a concern until he proves he can handle it. He is such a huge giant of a horse and he hits the ground fairly hard. I'd have my doubts whether he'd handle it. I wouldn't want to write him off as a Cheltenham horse before he gets a chance to prove himself there but I've a feeling he could be the new Beef Or Salmon!

BTW Sammy, Alaivan is in the 3yo Hurdles at Gowran on Friday and Fairyhouse on Sunday.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 07, 2009, 03:55:11 PM
thanks DH. I'll be paying attention
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 07, 2009, 04:58:28 PM
i was waiting on Bawaardi there in the 4.40 at wolv for the placepot

3rd in a 7 runner race, from the betfair forums it sounds like the jokcey didnt try too hard, anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on December 08, 2009, 09:26:16 AM

Sea The Stars jockey Mick Kinane announces retirement

Veteran jockey Mick Kinane, 50, has announced his retirement, ending a 34-year career in the saddle.

He bows out on a high after a stunning 2009 saw him partner wonder horse Sea The Stars to six Group One wins.

His success with the John Oxx-trained colt included an unprecedented 2000 Guineas-Derby-Arc treble.

Kinane said: "I feel fit and sharp enough to do any horse justice but I have the privilege of being able to end my career on an incredible high."

Born in County Tipperary, Ireland, the son of a leading National Hunt jockey, Kinane won the 2,000 Guineas four times, the Epsom Derby three times, the Oaks twice and the St Leger once.

He also picked up 11 Irish Classic winners and the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe five times.

Kinane went on: "I leave with a huge sense of gratitude to all the great horses I have ridden, all the great trainers whose genius developed those champions and everybody else in racing, from the stable lads to the owners, who have made me deeply thankful for my involvement in the game.

"Teamwork is the key to success in racing and I have been blessed with some of the best alliances a jockey could have. The most important support of all throughout my career has, naturally, come from my wife, Catherine, along with my family and friends.

"Both Catherine and our two precious daughters, Sinead and Aisling, know how much they mean to me."

As well as riding hundreds of winners in Britain, Ireland and France, he also won the Melbourne Cup in 1993 with Vintage Crop and in the USA won three Breeders' Cup prizes.

He also had winners in Germany, Hong Kong, India, Italy, Japan, Slovakia, the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

Great jockey and by all accounts a decent fella - Best of luck Mick
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 08, 2009, 10:34:32 AM
Bankok Pete
The City kid
hollow joe
The corby Glenn

Having a pop at these boys today. No tips above.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 08, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
Legend

Sea The Stars jockey Mick Kinane announces retirement 


Veteran jockey Mick Kinane, 50, has announced his retirement, ending a 34-year career in the saddle.
He bows out on a high after a stunning 2009 saw him partner wonder horse Sea The Stars to six Group One wins.

His success with the John Oxx-trained colt included an unprecedented 2,000 Guineas-Derby-Arc treble.

Kinane said: "I feel fit and sharp enough to do any horse justice but I have the privilege of being able to end my career on an incredible.

Born in County Tipperary, Ireland, the son of a leading National Hunt jockey, Kinane won the 2,000 Guineas four times, the Epsom Derby three times, the Oaks twice and the St Leger once.

He also picked up 11 Irish Classic winners, and France's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe three times.

Henry Cecil, the trainer who provided him with his first Derby success in 1993 on Commander in Chief, said: "Michael Kinane, in my opinion, was a brilliant, top-class jockey, a gentleman and a great ambassador to racing.

"He rode quite a few Group One winners for me including the Derby. Thank you very much Michael. Racing will miss you."

Kinane said he was leaving the sport "with a huge sense of gratitude to all the great horses I have ridden". And he paid tribute to "all the great trainers whose genius developed those champions and everybody else in racing, from the stable lads to the owners, who have made me deeply thankful for my involvement in the game."

He went on: "Teamwork is the key to success in racing and I have been blessed with some of the best alliances a jockey could have. The most important support of all throughout my career has, naturally, come from my wife, Catherine, along with my family and friends.



"Both Catherine and our two precious daughters, Sinead and Aisling, know how much they mean to me."

As well as riding hundreds of winners in Britain, Ireland and France, he also won the Melbourne Cup in 1993 with Vintage Crop and in the USA won three Breeders' Cup prizes. He picked up rides, and valuable winners, in some far-flung outposts including Germany, Hong Kong, India, Italy, Japan, Slovakia, the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

On Monday, Kinane was named jockey of the year at the 43rd Derby Awards, eight years after his previous victory, beating off competition from Ryan Moore, Richard Hills and Richard Hughes.

A champion apprentice in Ireland in 1978, Kinane had ridden his first winner aboard Muscari for boss Liam Browne at Leopardstown in 1975. He had 14 years as number one jockey to Dermot Weld from 1983 before he was retained by Aidan O'Brien from 1999 to 2003.

An Irish champion jockey on 13 occasions, he said his first Derby win had been a key moment in his career.

He got the leg-up at Epsom on the Khalid Abdullah-owned Commander In Chief with Pat Eddery on the owner's supposed first string Tenby, who started an odds-on favourite.



That success in the showpiece summer classic was followed by Derby triumphs on Galileo in 2001, for O'Brien, before a third success earlier this year on the extraordinary Sea The Stars.

Pat Smullen, who succeeded Kinane as stable jockey to Weld, described his predecessor as "the greatest of them all".

Five-time Irish champions Smullen added: "Mick was such a great help to me when he moved on. He was not just a great rider but a great friend too."

Oxx said: "Michael was just the complete professional in every way. He had a great work ethic and he never let anybody down. Sea The Stars has been such a great landmark horse and it has been wonderful to have Michael there to ride him.

"The Arc is the one everyone will remember. There was so much at stake, no one wanted to see the horse fall at the last and get beaten, everyone wanted to see him finish up with a win and he was just so confident on the day.

"You couldn't have predicted it or planned it, but it has been great for him to have had the best horse he ever rode in the final year of his career. It's the sort of end that he deserves."

Another trainer, Mick Channon, said: "He's been an amazing jockey for as long as I can remember and he's a smashing chap as well. It's sad to lose someone like that, but what a great career he's had."


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 08, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
The greatest flat jockey Ireland has ever had? Certainly in my lifetime anyway.

I still have a very vague memory of the year he won the Arc on Carroll House. I think it was 1989. Just shows what an exceptional career he had that he rode the winner of the same race twenty years later. He rode big race winners all around the world and he always conducted himself well on and off the track. He'll always be associated with the all those great Coolmore horses like Montjeu, Galileo, High Chapparal, Rock Of Gibraltar, Giants Causeway, Hawk Wing and George Washington. I'll remember him for the great Vintage Crop especially. I'll never forget the scenes on the Curragh when he arrived home after winning the Melbourne Cup for Dermot Weld. Half of Kildare seemed to be there. It was like the reception that would be given to Arkle or Dawn Run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 08, 2009, 04:19:34 PM
I think Celestial Halo is an absolute cert at Cheltenham this weekend lads. henderson has come out and said Punjabi will need the run. CH has already had one impressive win under his belt this season.

CH could be one to lump on for the Christmas money. Especially given the Ruby/ Nicholls factor it is certain to go off a lot shorter on the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on December 08, 2009, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 08, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
The greatest flat jockey Ireland has ever had? Certainly in my lifetime anyway.

I still have a very vague memory of the year he won the Arc on Carroll House. I think it was 1989. Just shows what an exceptional career he had that he rode the winner of the same race twenty years later. He rode big race winners all around the world and he always conducted himself well on and off the track. He'll always be associated with the all those great Coolmore horses like Montjeu, Galileo, High Chapparal, Rock Of Gibraltar, Giants Causeway, Hawk Wing and George Washington. I'll remember him for the great Vintage Crop especially. I'll never forget the scenes on the Curragh when he arrived home after winning the Melbourne Cup for Dermot Weld. Half of Kildare seemed to be there. It was like the reception that would be given to Arkle or Dawn Run.

Thats a bit harsh on your own county native Eddery, although its only a subjective opinion I suppose. Fallon is as talented as both but an out and out rogue.

Enjoy your retirement Mick, hopefully a few more Authorized in the pipeline.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on December 08, 2009, 05:10:06 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 08, 2009, 04:19:34 PM
I think Celestial Halo is an absolute cert at Cheltenham this weekend lads. henderson has come out and said Punjabi will need the run. CH has already had one impressive win under his belt this season.

CH could be one to lump on for the Christmas money. Especially given the Ruby/ Nicholls factor it is certain to go off a lot shorter on the day.

Celestial Halo 5/6 and shortening Punjabi 9/4 and drifting .

If Punjabi doesnt blow up ( he usually needs his first run of the season but did win Fighting Fifth  FTO last year ) I think he should do CH for toe. I presume
Nicholls has oslot entered to make it a test . If Ebadiyan goes I presume he will take them along at a nice clip (and hopefully wont duck out) anyway.             

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 08, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 08, 2009, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 08, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
The greatest flat jockey Ireland has ever had? Certainly in my lifetime anyway.

I still have a very vague memory of the year he won the Arc on Carroll House. I think it was 1989. Just shows what an exceptional career he had that he rode the winner of the same race twenty years later. He rode big race winners all around the world and he always conducted himself well on and off the track. He'll always be associated with the all those great Coolmore horses like Montjeu, Galileo, High Chapparal, Rock Of Gibraltar, Giants Causeway, Hawk Wing and George Washington. I'll remember him for the great Vintage Crop especially. I'll never forget the scenes on the Curragh when he arrived home after winning the Melbourne Cup for Dermot Weld. Half of Kildare seemed to be there. It was like the reception that would be given to Arkle or Dawn Run.

Thats a bit harsh on your own county native Eddery, although its only a subjective opinion I suppose. Fallon is as talented as both but an out and out rogue.

Enjoy your retirement Mick, hopefully a few more Authorized in the pipeline.

Pat was a class act but Mickey Joe was calmness personified when the chips were down. Its his record in the big international races that would swing it for me. I remember when Go And Go went over to America for the Belmont stakes and became the first ever non-American trained winner of a classic over there. Kinane rode the Yanks to sleep.

King Kieren is a legend but his legacy will always be tainted to a certain extent. You only need to look at the amount of Group 1s Murtagh has one in the last two years to see the extent to which Fallon blew it.

I doubt that 5/6 will be lasting long about Celestial Halo for the weekend given the way Nicholls is talking him up. I might give Medermit a chance looking at how King's are coming on for their first run. Last year's novices were an above average crop IMO. I think Go Native proved that at Newcastle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 09, 2009, 09:01:52 AM
Two horses that are up against a short priced favourite but should be excellent value
12.40 Leicester King Ozzy
1.20 Hexham What A Steal
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 09, 2009, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 08, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 08, 2009, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 08, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
The greatest flat jockey Ireland has ever had? Certainly in my lifetime anyway.

I still have a very vague memory of the year he won the Arc on Carroll House. I think it was 1989. Just shows what an exceptional career he had that he rode the winner of the same race twenty years later. He rode big race winners all around the world and he always conducted himself well on and off the track. He'll always be associated with the all those great Coolmore horses like Montjeu, Galileo, High Chapparal, Rock Of Gibraltar, Giants Causeway, Hawk Wing and George Washington. I'll remember him for the great Vintage Crop especially. I'll never forget the scenes on the Curragh when he arrived home after winning the Melbourne Cup for Dermot Weld. Half of Kildare seemed to be there. It was like the reception that would be given to Arkle or Dawn Run.

Thats a bit harsh on your own county native Eddery, although its only a subjective opinion I suppose. Fallon is as talented as both but an out and out rogue.

Enjoy your retirement Mick, hopefully a few more Authorized in the pipeline.

Pat was a class act but Mickey Joe was calmness personified when the chips were down. Its his record in the big international races that would swing it for me. I remember when Go And Go went over to America for the Belmont stakes and became the first ever non-American trained winner of a classic over there. Kinane rode the Yanks to sleep.

King Kieren is a legend but his legacy will always be tainted to a certain extent. You only need to look at the amount of Group 1s Murtagh has one in the last two years to see the extent to which Fallon blew it.

I doubt that 5/6 will be lasting long about Celestial Halo for the weekend given the way Nicholls is talking him up. I might give Medermit a chance looking at how King's are coming on for their first run. Last year's novices were an above average crop IMO. I think Go Native proved that at Newcastle.

Really? I'd say the two mile novices of last year were amongst the worst I've seen (HF apart) for a long time!

Stand to be proven wrong. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 09, 2009, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 09, 2009, 09:01:52 AM
Two horses that are up against a short priced favourite but should be excellent value
12.40 Leicester King Ozzy
1.20 Hexham What A Steal

First on 3rd at 9/2.
Title: mighty bob - quick follow up ?
Post by: maddog on December 09, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/cards/v5card088200912101505.htm (http://www.irishracing.com/cards/v5card088200912101505.htm)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 09, 2009, 02:21:48 PM
Any word from Ludemor on this? Looks as if he still relatively low in the weights.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 09, 2009, 02:49:30 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on December 09, 2009, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 08, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
I doubt that 5/6 will be lasting long about Celestial Halo for the weekend given the way Nicholls is talking him up. I might give Medermit a chance looking at how King's are coming on for their first run. Last year's novices were an above average crop IMO. I think Go Native proved that at Newcastle.

Really? I'd say the two mile novices of last year were amongst the worst I've seen (HF apart) for a long time!

Stand to be proven wrong. 

There maybe wasn't much stength in depth with the novice hurdlers last year but I think there was a handful of top quality animals (HF, Go Native, Mikael D'Haugenet, Karabak, Diamond Harry, Zaynar). Obviously Hurricane Fly's non participation in the Supreme Novices took away some of the gloss from that race but Go Native was still a worthy winner and he showed in the Fighting Fifth that he is a quality animal. Medermit was arguably a bit unlucky that day though. He slipped up on the home turn, he was then hampered by Cousin Vinny at the last but he still powered up the hill and he was mowing Go Native down when the line came.

The form of that race is quite good. Sommersby looks like he'll make a top novice chaser and decent horses like Torphicen, Kangaroo Court and Kempes were well stuffed in behind. I thought Medermit ran a cracker under top weight in the Greatwood when King's were needing the run and he is overpriced for Saturday. He'll be getting weight off the front two in the market and King must think he has some chance of winning a decent prize over timber because he looks made for novice chasing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2009, 01:01:15 AM
Short price double on Miss Sarenne (1:00 Huntingdon) and Cadspeed (1:35 Fairyhouse) should oblige tomorrow.

The Peterbrough Chase looks a good renewal. I fancy Herecomesthetruth but that joke Christian Williams is riding him again so I won't back him.

Be interesting to see if Mighty Bob is supported again to follow up. He still looks well in despite the penalty for the win at Naas. Mike Cunningham's horse Tiernans Terror won pulling a plough after him at Limerick though. I would have expected him to go up more than 12lbs for that run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on December 10, 2009, 01:10:44 AM
Looking at the racing tomorrow,how short do you think the two you mentioned will be likely to go off at?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2009, 01:20:27 AM
Would be surprised if both of them weren't odds-on in the morning. Possibly 4/6 Cadspeed, 10/11 Miss Sarenne, or something along those lines. Haven't checked Betfair but the overnight price is usually a fairly accurate guide to what most books will open them up at.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on December 10, 2009, 01:27:15 AM
Cheers think i will take a little bet on them alrite,a trebel with duinguib in which is on every bet i have been doin this long time,an investment i hope until cheltenham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2009, 01:49:13 AM
Man after my own heart with the Dunguib bets. Keep topping them up till March and then get the wheelbarrow ready to collect!

(http://www.tattersalls.ie/news/nvgrfx/Dunguib_ChampionBumper_480%5B1%5D.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 10, 2009, 10:04:25 AM
wot about throwing in Accordeon in the 1.10 for a lunch time treble for some xmas money??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 10, 2009, 10:30:08 AM
Genari is fancied today by the elliott yard in the 12.40
Acordeon should win the 1.10
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2009, 11:12:10 AM
Mighty Bob is 9/4 today. Worth a bet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 10, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 10, 2009, 11:12:10 AM
Mighty Bob is 9/4 today. Worth a bet?

i'd be more inclined to go with Tiernan's Terror e/w myself
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on December 10, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
I'm really keen on herecomesthetruth at huntington today but slightly put off by Ruby choosing to ride @ taunton.......I'll probably back all the Nicholls horses today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2009, 01:31:10 PM
Talk about throwing your chance away Miss Sarenne ya thick mare ya. Had that race in the bag at the second last and nearly ended up in the carpark!

Time for damage limitation on Cadspeed.

Alaivan out tomorrow at Gowran tomorrow - time for a little investment for the Triumph Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 10, 2009, 01:44:34 PM
Paul Townend has a wee bit to answer there no?? What do ya think DH? Thats 2 short priced favourites stuffed-Im at my wits end >:(
Miss Sarenne couldn't jump.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2009, 01:55:53 PM
Wouldn't blame Townend booj. I think he wanted company from the other horse because he didn't look the most willing animal in the world. Still had ample time to pick him up and win. I'm beginning to think Willie's are running within themselves. He's having a few reversals recently.

I think its more of a mental problem than a physical one with Miss Sarenne. I thought she was more trying to run out rather than jumping out to her left.

Going to keep the rest of my powder dry for Gowran and Cheltenham tomorrow. JT on Garde Champetre with Nina on Headsontheground because JT can't do the weight on that one. Some good handicappers like Royal County Star and Maljimar taking them on. Big day for Dunguib supporters tomorrow too. The last should produce a good novice hurdler - Ghizao, Lidar and one of Hendersons.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 10, 2009, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2009, 01:55:53 PM
Wouldn't blame Townend booj. I think he wanted company from the other horse because he didn't look the most willing animal in the world. Still had ample time to pick him up and win. I'm beginning to think Willie's are running within themselves. He's having a few reversals recently.

I think its more of a mental problem than a physical one with Miss Sarenne. I thought she was more trying to run out rather than jumping out to her left.

Going to keep the rest of my powder dry for Gowran and Cheltenham tomorrow. JT on Garde Champetre with Nina on Headsontheground because JT can't do the weight on that one. Some good handicappers like Royal County Star and Maljimar taking them on. Big day for Dunguib supporters tomorrow too. The last should produce a good novice hurdler - Ghizao, Lidar and one of Hendersons.

Obviously Im only a spectator having never sat on a horse-but it just looked like Paul should have asked the horse to pull clear at the 2nd last and go on and win the race.Maybe not.

Its hard to sway from Garde Champetre regardless who rides it.JT always rode Spot the Difference didnt he?
Who trains Alavain DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Thomas Barr bought him out of John Oxx's and he has gone to Edward O'Grady's like Osana and Torphicen. Supposed to have schooled very well so far. EOG and Andy Mac very bullish about him.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 10, 2009, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on December 10, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
I'm really keen on herecomesthetruth at huntington today but slightly put off by Ruby choosing to ride @ taunton.......I'll probably back all the Nicholls horses today

Nicholls having a super day, hopefully you are too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on December 10, 2009, 03:07:27 PM
I having a really good day but can't get recif de thaix's fall out of my head (the only let down on my nicholls yankee)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on December 10, 2009, 03:18:44 PM

Was going to back the snail in 2.40 at ludlow in a double with hendersons horse in the flat race at huntingdon at 3.30.
Changed my mind and went with the newcomer kookikila in the 2.30 in huntingdon.

Kookikila didnt finish in the top three.
The snail won.
The words stupid w**nker come to mind.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on December 10, 2009, 05:27:32 PM
quick question - shamir was a non-runner today - can i claim back my bet because the horse didn't run, or is my money lost?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on December 10, 2009, 05:28:44 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on December 10, 2009, 05:27:32 PM
quick question - shamir was a non-runner today - can i claim back my bet because the horse didn't run, or is my money lost?

Money back
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 10:16:12 AM
some wide open racing at Chelters this afternoon, some of my own personal fancies

12:05 - Cheltenham Collection Novices´ Chase Pigeon Island 6/1 this will go v close or nowhere
12:40 - Caspian Caviar Handicap Hurdle Bureaucrat can't believe this is 33/1
1:15 - Glenfarclas Cross Country Handicap Chase Garde Champetre loves it here 15/8
1:50 - Neptune Investment Management Chase Beat The Boys 16/1 looks well in and this is value imo
2:25 - CF Roberts Electrical + Mechanical Services Conditional Jockeys´ Handicap Chase Machu Picchu 12/1 best jock in race on board
3:00 - Boylepoker.com Handicap Hurdle Wolf Moon 6/1 C+D winner in last month
3:35 - E B F "National Hunt" Novices´ Hurdle Ghizao Evs should be head and shoulders above the field will go off odds on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 11, 2009, 11:23:07 AM
does the weight that Garde is carrying not worry u?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: Clown on December 11, 2009, 11:23:07 AM
does the weight that Garde is carrying not worry u?

its a concern, like it was when Denman ran but it managed to win, class above imo. I won't be going mad, possibly £10 win or stick it in an e/w double with Bobby Ewing in the 11.50 at Donny... dunno yet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 11:51:11 AM
Was thinking that myself about the weight Garde is carrying. It seems a lot and he didnt win that convincely last time out. However, im going to stick with him as the horse certainly owes me nothing and loves it round Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 12:17:48 PM
Pigeon Island give me a good run for my money there... close, but no cigar.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 11, 2009, 12:31:40 PM
what a day for the Als so far

Weird Al
Alazan
Alavain

all winning

next up - Noble Alan in the 12.50
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 12:38:03 PM
What was Alavian like? Should we be happy with our ante post Trimumph Hurdle coupons Donnelly?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ArmaghLedd on December 11, 2009, 12:40:55 PM
Any good bets for the weekend races?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on December 11, 2009, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 11:51:11 AM
Was thinking that myself about the weight Garde is carrying. It seems a lot and he didnt win that convincely last time out. However, im going to stick with him as the horse certainly owes me nothing and loves it round Cheltenham.

Nice one mate.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 01:44:12 PM
going well today so far...  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2009, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 12:38:03 PM
What was Alavian like? Should we be happy with our ante post Trimumph Hurdle coupons Donnelly?

Jumped beautifully and won head in his chest as you would expect him to do in a maiden hurdle. We'll know a lot more after he runs on Stephens' Day but that was very satisfactory.

Managed to get some of that 3/1 about Garde. Christmas came early! Weight doesn't really matter in those Cross-Country races like it does in a conventional handicap. JT gave him a cracking ride - fine horseman. Enda Bolger is some operator.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on December 11, 2009, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 01:44:12 PM
going well today so far...  ;)

Your some tipster, keep up the good work ;D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 02:23:12 PM
Garde Champetre is some animal. I used to hate them cross country races but have been converted.

Ruby was very unlucky on the Toher One too!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 02:36:38 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 11, 2009, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 01:44:12 PM
going well today so far...  ;)

Your some tipster, keep up the good work ;D :D

I love it, T O Hare, racing in my blood - you got any winners for us today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 02:38:43 PM
Dont think I have ever seen T O Hare backing a winner. He thought he was getting tips for Portman Park at one stage!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 02:40:36 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 02:38:43 PM
Dont think I have ever seen T O Hare backing a winner. He thought he was getting tips for Portman Park at one stage!
maybe he was being a wee bit sarcastic then, if he does not know the difference between the front and back end of a horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on December 11, 2009, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 02:38:43 PM
Dont think I have ever seen T O Hare backing a winner. He thought he was getting tips for Portman Park at one stage!

your still living off that Yankee!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 03:16:02 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 11, 2009, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 11, 2009, 02:38:43 PM
Dont think I have ever seen T O Hare backing a winner. He thought he was getting tips for Portman Park at one stage!

your still living off that Yankee!!!!!!!!!!!!

that must have been some win  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2009, 03:43:16 PM
Nothing to worry Dunguib in the last there at Cheltenham. I don't think either General Miller or Ghizao will trouble him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 11, 2009, 03:46:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2009, 03:43:16 PM
Nothing to worry Dunguib in the last there at Cheltenham. I don't think either General Miller or Ghizao will trouble him.

its Pepe Simo you need to keep an eye out for DH... thats what I have been told - I think Dunguib would win the champion hurdle myself cos its that good but anyway, we'll see how things pan out
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2009, 04:04:43 PM
Pepe Simo has 35 lengths to make up on the bumper form. Washington Irving would be the horse that would concern me. God forbid Dunguib stands on a stone a week before Cheltenham, he'd probably be the one I'd be on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 11, 2009, 07:32:54 PM
Word for Dirar in 920 Wolves. mite get 9/4. have a look at it.Gordon Elliott trains.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on December 11, 2009, 09:24:38 PM
Quote from: boojangles on December 11, 2009, 07:32:54 PM
Word for Dirar in 920 Wolves. mite get 9/4. have a look at it.Gordon Elliott trains.

Good lad Boojangles, got it at 7/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 12, 2009, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: boojangles on December 11, 2009, 07:32:54 PM
Word for Dirar in 920 Wolves. mite get 9/4. have a look at it.Gordon Elliott trains.

nice winner pal. missed it though  >:( never backed a thing last night
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on December 12, 2009, 09:40:29 AM
What yas reckon for the king george?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pebble-dasher on December 12, 2009, 10:56:35 AM
Good man boo had dirar and king of connaught double, still likely going to get cleaned out today tho!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 12, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: stiffler on December 12, 2009, 09:40:29 AM
What yas reckon for the king george?

Think I'll break the habit and avoid the Great One. Not sure he'll get the Btefair chase run out of his legs. Would agree with the poster on here (think it was Donnelly's Hollow) who said he'd have been better starting the season at Down Royal.

Alberta's Run ran a great race last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 12, 2009, 11:10:58 AM
Gonna chance Chaptourgeon today in the Boylesports and HoldEm ew.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: goldenyears on December 12, 2009, 01:02:22 PM
clan tara and sizing mexico today in fairyhouse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 13, 2009, 12:22:00 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 12, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: stiffler on December 12, 2009, 09:40:29 AM
What yas reckon for the king george?

Think I'll break the habit and avoid the Great One. Not sure he'll get the Btefair chase run out of his legs. Would agree with the poster on here (think it was Donnelly's Hollow) who said he'd have been better starting the season at Down Royal.

Alberta's Run ran a great race last year.

Twas meself alright. Kempton is his track but he had a hard race in heavy ground at Haydock. I don't see anything in the race to beat him (Imperial Commander probably better going the other way round) but I wouldn't want to be taking the 8/11 about him. If you do fancy him I'd back him now though because he's only going to get shorter.

Champion Hurdle picture thrown up in the air again today with Celestial Halo and Punjabi beaten. Having another few bob on Hurricane Fly now as a result. I'd be fairly confident Ruby will ride him now after today, expecially if he goes and wins well at Christmas.

Good action tomorrpw at both Cork and Navan. Willie Mullins has had a few turned over recently but I reckon he'll have a good day. Fancy Quel Esprit and Golden Silver down at Cork. Cousin Vinny, Donnas Palm, Rhyl Accord and Tornedo Shay at Navan.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 13, 2009, 01:23:16 AM
Mighty Man running in a novice chase at Hereford (2:10) later on today  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on December 13, 2009, 08:51:34 AM
Had Poquelin, tell massini and Zanir in a treble yest....

Zanir going well until race void at last fence...Ach well at least have the double up...Suppose it's better than being beat....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 13, 2009, 01:44:22 PM
14:55 Kempton Shakalaka 5/2
Shakalaka is an interesting runner here for G Moore. Blinkers are applied for the first time and the horse is stepped up in trip. Also G Baker is on board and personally I think that all these combined gives the horse an excellent chance here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 13, 2009, 03:07:10 PM
The Wee Chief is a decent looking e/w bet at 9/2 in the 3.25
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 13, 2009, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 13, 2009, 01:23:16 AM
Mighty Man running in a novice chase at Hereford (2:10) later on today  :o

Looked impressive.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 15, 2009, 01:04:50 AM
Anyone else see the Fallon doc on the BBC?

He looks healthier and as well in himself as he has done in the last decade. If he has finally put his demons to rest I wouldn't bet against him being champion jock again next year.

He has probably burned his bridges with Magnier, Tabor and Smith but its still clear that he is very grateful to Coolmore/Ballydoyle for standing by him during the Old Bailey trial. I think that was one of the most admirable decisions the Turf Club ever made by allowing him to retain his license over here during that period while the British equivalent shamed themselves by banning a man before he was proven guilty.

I would love to see him back as Stoute's no. 1 instead of that moody crank Ryan Moore.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 15, 2009, 09:52:07 PM
Henderson and Geraghty the men to follow at Newbury again tomorrow. Their record when teaming up there is exceptional.

Osric, Oscar Whisky and Candy Creek all with great chances. Zazamix in the first at Bangor could give the same yard another winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 15, 2009, 10:36:23 PM
cheers DH, hopefully so
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 15, 2009, 11:02:32 PM
Booked flights today for Cheltenham, happy days :-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 15, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
See you there!

St. Patrick's Day falls within the four days for the first time since the day War Of Attrition won the Gold Cup in '06. Should be some nights drinking down the town.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 16, 2009, 12:53:20 AM
Just been studying the form and prices for the Long Walk Hurdle on Saturday and I think I've come across what is potentially the e/w bet of the season. I fully expect Big Bucks to win this but given that he is yet to race right-handed, he isn't for me at 1/2 here. Diamond Harry is the second favourite and Karabak is third in the market. Did my eyes deceive me at Cheltenham last year or did Karabak really finish ahead of Diamond Harry in the Ballymore? Yet I look at the prices for Saturday and Diamond Harry is as short as 5/2 and Karabak as big as 12/1.  :o

Surely 12/1 about Karabak is a cracking e/w bet. Fair Along, Whiteoak, Katchit, Lough Derg are all much of a muchness. Alan King's form has been a bit iffy but surely if Karabak runs anwhere near his best he won't be out of the first three.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 16, 2009, 10:33:32 AM
PEPE SIMO for the Ladbroke
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 16, 2009, 12:01:44 PM
not a tip, but VEILED in the 12.20 was mightily impressive last week in its debut over hurdles

currently 2/1, it will take something special to beat it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on December 16, 2009, 12:22:31 PM
Mc coy to ride the winner in this race sorry clown
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 16, 2009, 12:30:32 PM
unlucky lads, wide open race that one... Ruby prevails
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on December 16, 2009, 12:31:54 PM
Listened to it,sounded a brutal race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 16, 2009, 12:32:18 PM
Nothing that will have Alaivan worried for the Triumph in March anyway  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on December 16, 2009, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 16, 2009, 10:33:32 AM
PEPE SIMO for the Ladbroke

you confident? what time's that at?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 16, 2009, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on December 16, 2009, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 16, 2009, 10:33:32 AM
PEPE SIMO for the Ladbroke

you confident? what time's that at?

Saturday - gonna have a little e/w bet on Christmas Coming at 1pm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on December 16, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Some ride for Liscence to Till there,listen out for this horse in the next week if its out again,get on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 16, 2009, 05:54:43 PM
Kempton
7.20 Tyrana
7.50 Adaman Sunset
8.20 Capricorn Run
8.50 Red Suede Shoes

my e/w lucky 15 tonight - I'm feeling lucky
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 16, 2009, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 16, 2009, 05:54:43 PM
Kempton
7.20 Tyrana
7.50 Adaman Sunset
8.20 Capricorn Run
8.50 Red Suede Shoes

my e/w lucky 15 tonight - I'm feeling lucky

Heard word for Tyrana earlier. Alot of money gone on it. I got it at 9/2 but believe it could b into 11/4. Mite b worth a fiver.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on December 17, 2009, 09:22:01 AM
Any good advice for the Christmas money?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 17, 2009, 09:32:10 AM
Tyrana is declared for a race at Southwell this afternoon  ;) 3.30
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 17, 2009, 10:45:38 AM
Is it the same tyrana Sammie??

Worth a punt?

Anythin at Clonmel today gents?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 17, 2009, 10:51:19 AM
Same Tyrana but a higher standard of race today and while he will of course be running without penalty I'd be watching the market before getting anyway involved. He's currently drifting slightly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 17, 2009, 11:00:34 AM
Anyone getting involved in the Ante post market for Cheltenham lads? Hows it looking for yous?
I have done a few which Im happy enough with so far.
Supreme Novices - Have been backing Dunguib every month at prices ranging from 5/2 to 7/4
Champion Hurdle - Huricane Fly @11/2
Ballymore - Quel Esprit @ 16s (think this is a cracking horse but not sure if it will go this route now tho)
Arkle - Sports Line @ 33s
Triumph - Alavian @ 12s

Hopefully I will have a few bets running for me come the festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 17, 2009, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on December 17, 2009, 10:45:38 AM
Is it the same tyrana Sammie??

Worth a punt?

Anythin at Clonmel today gents?

yep, Homer's remarks are pretty accurate but it won handy enough last night and the owners may want another quick hit.

As for Ante-post. I rarely back anything too far in advance... maybe a silly decision but I like to see my returns pretty quickly after the outlay
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 17, 2009, 12:33:22 PM
Tyrana non-runner now

As for AP betting I have line running into Hurricane Fly since bookies opened a book on the Champion Hurdle but I haven't got involved in anything else yet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 17, 2009, 12:55:25 PM
I think it was you Homer that put up a website maybe 2 years ago,where some lad Richard Silverwood puts up a tip a day on a blog,TurfTalk is it. Any chance of the link again??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 17, 2009, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 17, 2009, 11:00:34 AM
Anyone getting involved in the Ante post market for Cheltenham lads? Hows it looking for yous?
I have done a few which Im happy enough with so far.
Supreme Novices - Have been backing Dunguib every month at prices ranging from 5/2 to 7/4
Champion Hurdle - Huricane Fly @11/2
Ballymore - Quel Esprit @ 16s (think this is a cracking horse but not sure if it will go this route now tho)
Arkle - Sports Line @ 33s
Triumph - Alavian @ 12s

Hopefully I will have a few bets running for me come the festival.

Smashing horse but I have a feeling Willie will go for the Spa Hurdle with him and Fionnegas will go to the Ballymore/Neptune (whatever its called this year). Can't understand why Willie ran Rhyl Accord ahead of him in the Grade 1 at Navan on Sunday.

Have Dunguib, HF and Alaivan in my own antepost book as well. Watch out for a horse called An Siorrac when more bookies start opening up a market for the Foxhunters. Cashmans are the only ones betting on it at the moment and they have him at 3/1!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on December 17, 2009, 01:31:07 PM
Whats the verdict on Kempes today???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 17, 2009, 01:50:40 PM
When are we likely to see An Sioric out this season Donnelly? Certainly one I will be looking out for as your other ante post picks look spot on so far!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on December 17, 2009, 02:13:42 PM
Lets see if this one will be as good as the last time, from the same fella.
Wheresmeneckstra in the 6.30 in wolverhampton.

Edit Just got it at 22/1 in VC but down as low as 14/1 on PP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on December 17, 2009, 02:18:45 PM
Question for my learned friends! When is the earliest that the odds come out for a race? One of the lads got word on a horse racing on Stephens Day and said to back it as soon as its up but how do you get notified?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 17, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 17, 2009, 01:50:40 PM
When are we likely to see An Sioric out this season Donnelly? Certainly one I will be looking out for as your other ante post picks look spot on so far!

Haven't heard any concrete plans yet but I'm presuming it will either be at Thurles on Kinloch Brae day at the end of January or else at Leopardstown for that good hunter chase on Hennessy day in mid-February.

Quote from: ludermor on December 17, 2009, 02:18:45 PM
Question for my learned friends! When is the earliest that the odds come out for a race? One of the lads got word on a horse racing on Stephens Day and said to back it as soon as its up but how do you get notified?

Depends really what race it is and where. The prices for the Graded races at Leopardstown will probably be up at the start of next week. With no racing on from the 23rd onwards, some bookies will have odds up on either Christmas Eve or Christmas Day for most races at Leopardstown/Kempton. Probably have to wait for the morning of Stephens Day if its running at Down Royal/Limerick or one of the gaff tracks in England.

Always a great day to land a little touch. Most peoples' attention is focussed on Kempton and Leopardstown so you always see a few punts landed at the minor meetings without many people noticing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on December 17, 2009, 04:00:30 PM
Cheers for that, ill keep an eye out on the mornings of Stephens day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on December 17, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: boojangles on December 17, 2009, 12:55:25 PM
I think it was you Homer that put up a website maybe 2 years ago,where some lad Richard Silverwood puts up a tip a day on a blog,TurfTalk is it. Any chance of the link again??


http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?Pageid=65465

It's hard to beat Hugh Taylor all the same  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 17, 2009, 05:00:12 PM
That boy tipped a right few at Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on December 17, 2009, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: ludermor on December 17, 2009, 02:13:42 PM
Lets see if this one will be as good as the last time, from the same fella.
Wheresmeneckstra in the 6.30 in wolverhampton.

Edit Just got it at 22/1 in VC but down as low as 14/1 on PP
Well i dont know where that came from , it started and 33/1 and i dont know if it finished.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 17, 2009, 07:01:38 PM
Cheers Mac Hinery. It sure is hard to beat Hugh Taylor,16-1 today I seen. I just don't follow him enough.Watch him for the AW,it seems to be his forte.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 17, 2009, 09:12:59 PM
Bad one alright. I backed it at 14/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 17, 2009, 10:26:52 PM
Very unlikely to get any action tomorrow at Ascot due to the forecast big freeze overnight in England.

He might have hit the bar a few times at Newbury yesterday but I'd stay loyal to Henderson with Belvano (8/11 currently) and Daves Dream (11/8 currently) in the unlikely event that racing goes ahead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on December 18, 2009, 11:08:08 AM
Ascot off

any fancies at uttoxeter, downpatrick or the 2 all weather meetings today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on December 18, 2009, 12:32:31 PM

Any fancies for the weekend lads?

Ive had a shocker the last two weeks.
Think im down roughly 350 euro.need a big one this weekend.

Changed my mind twice last week with kyber kim and calgary bay and both won at 12/1.
I felt like vomiting in the bookies when kyber kim won.Went with henderson but that horse should win its next race.

Missed tyrana the other night and backed that donkey last night.

Any help appreciated lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on December 18, 2009, 12:48:34 PM

The duck is broken. Praise the lord.

just had 5 e/w on romney marsh there in uttoxeter.

Im back in the game. ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on December 18, 2009, 02:11:31 PM
harps counsel 2.45 d/patrick, dont go mad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 19, 2009, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 17, 2009, 11:00:34 AM
Anyone getting involved in the Ante post market for Cheltenham lads? Hows it looking for yous?
I have done a few which Im happy enough with so far.
Supreme Novices - Have been backing Dunguib every month at prices ranging from 5/2 to 7/4
Champion Hurdle - Huricane Fly @11/2
Ballymore - Quel Esprit @ 16s (think this is a cracking horse but not sure if it will go this route now tho)
Arkle - Sports Line @ 33s
Triumph - Alavian @ 12s

Hopefully I will have a few bets running for me come the festival.

Based on a short set of winner stats for the last ten years, my each way ante-post value selection for the Gold Cup is Alberta's Run. There are a few euros available at 75 on Betfair, a few more at 70 for the win; the place is 10.

He's the only horse that ticks all the boxes in the (short) stats list. Of course nobody would be foolish enough to suggest he's a better horse than Kauto Star or Denman or write off the big two because they don't meet some of the profile characteristics of previous winners, but Alberta's Run represents value at the price, at least for the place in my opinion, based on the record.

The stats:
- Course form: 1st or 2nd in a Grade 1 chase at previous year's festival (all of the last 10 winners).
- Course form: 1st or 2nd in a Grade 1 race at the festival at any stage (9 of the last 10 winners – exception was Kauto Star, which fell as Arkle favourite).
- Age: Aged 7 to 9 (all of the last 10 winners).
- Season form: A graded stakes win before December (7 of the last 8 – exception was Best Mate, but he had won 2 Gold Cups by then).


For the Champion Hurdle, the stats are against the top four in the market. The next three meet all the criteria – Go Native (12 Betfair), Celestial Halo (12) and Punjabi (13.5).

The stats:
- Course form: Won at the previous festival, or placed in the previous Champion Hurdle (7 of the last 8 )
- Age: 6 or older (only one five-year-old has won it since 1984 – bad stat for market leader Zaynar)
- Season form: At least one win or 2nd place before December (all of the last 9 winners).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
I've heard from a fairly reliable source that Albertas Run will be aimed at the Ryanair this season Hardy. I've always stuck with second season chasers in the Gold Cup and it has served me well in recent years with Kicking King, War Of Attrition and Denman winning in the first year out of novice company. Cooldine would look the most likely candidate this year with Joncol likely to stay at home due to the ground.

Is that Champion Hurdle stat not about 5yos rather than 4yos? Zaynar will become a 5yo on New Years Day and Katchit is the only 5yo to win the race (very poor renewal) since See You Then in 1985. I don't think 4yos are even eligible for the race anymore. Conventional novices are (Alderbrook) but I don't think juvenilles are.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 19, 2009, 04:05:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
I've heard from a fairly reliable source that Albertas Run will be aimed at the Ryanair this season Hardy.

That makes sense - I've checked and the 75 price represents a jump from 40 earlier - word must be out. That's the trouble with Ante-post

QuoteIs that Champion Hurdle stat not about 5yos rather than 4yos? Zaynar will become a 5yo on New Years Day and Katchit is the only 5yo to win the race (very poor renewal) since See You Then in 1985. I don't think 4yos are even eligible for the race anymore. Conventional novices are (Alderbrook) but I don't think juvenilles are.

You're right - five-year-olds it should be. Thought it was strange for a 4-y-o to be entered, but I read Zaynar's profile - foaled Feb 2005 - and somehow that made him a four year old next March in my addled head. So then I go and look at the outcome for 4-year-olds. I've changed it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2009, 05:58:40 PM
The Gold Cup stats make for interesting reading. The 10yo stat in particular should be kept in mind. Cool Dawn was the last one to defy it I think in '98.

I've never really been a huge Kauto Star fan and I'll definitely be against him this year. He is a bit of a freak but I just can't have a 10yo French bred who has gone to the well so often as a short price favourite. Denman, although the same age, is a slightly different story. Being an Irish bred, he will have matured later in life and he has a lot less miles on the clock due to his training problems.

I'd be with Denman in a match bet against Kauto Star over 3m2 at Cheltenham but a lot will depend on who'll ride him. Presumably Ruby will ride Kauto Star. I've heard McCoy mentioned for Denman but I can't see that happening given the history between himself and Paul Barber. Geraghty is a possible with Barbers Shop looking well exposed. I wouldn't want either Christian Williams or Sam Thomas on him.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Nicholls horses were both turned over in the Gold Cup. They're both exceptional horses but there are enough question marks over both of them for me to look elsewhere at this stage. At the moment Cooldine (regardless of what happens in the Lexus because he'll need the run) and Imperial Commander (regardless of what happens in the King George because of his poor record right-handed) would be my two against the field at the moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 19, 2009, 08:47:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2009, 05:58:40 PM
The Gold Cup stats make for interesting reading. The 10yo stat in particular should be kept in mind. Cool Dawn was the last one to defy it I think in '98.

I've never really been a huge Kauto Star fan and I'll definitely be against him this year. He is a bit of a freak but I just can't have a 10yo French bred who has gone to the well so often as a short price favourite. Denman, although the same age, is a slightly different story. Being an Irish bred, he will have matured later in life and he has a lot less miles on the clock due to his training problems.

I'd be with Denman in a match bet against Kauto Star over 3m2 at Cheltenham but a lot will depend on who'll ride him. Presumably Ruby will ride Kauto Star. I've heard McCoy mentioned for Denman but I can't see that happening given the history between himself and Paul Barber. Geraghty is a possible with Barbers Shop looking well exposed. I wouldn't want either Christian Williams or Sam Thomas on him.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Nicholls horses were both turned over in the Gold Cup. They're both exceptional horses but there are enough question marks over both of them for me to look elsewhere at this stage. At the moment Cooldine (regardless of what happens in the Lexus because he'll need the run) and Imperial Commander (regardless of what happens in the King George because of his poor record right-handed) would be my two against the field at the moment.

Care to enlighten me DH.What happened there?
Realy looking forward to seeing Cooldine.
Also whats the story with Mikael D'Augenet or have I missed something??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 20, 2009, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: boojangles on December 19, 2009, 08:47:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2009, 05:58:40 PM
The Gold Cup stats make for interesting reading. The 10yo stat in particular should be kept in mind. Cool Dawn was the last one to defy it I think in '98.

I've never really been a huge Kauto Star fan and I'll definitely be against him this year. He is a bit of a freak but I just can't have a 10yo French bred who has gone to the well so often as a short price favourite. Denman, although the same age, is a slightly different story. Being an Irish bred, he will have matured later in life and he has a lot less miles on the clock due to his training problems.

I'd be with Denman in a match bet against Kauto Star over 3m2 at Cheltenham but a lot will depend on who'll ride him. Presumably Ruby will ride Kauto Star. I've heard McCoy mentioned for Denman but I can't see that happening given the history between himself and Paul Barber. Geraghty is a possible with Barbers Shop looking well exposed. I wouldn't want either Christian Williams or Sam Thomas on him.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Nicholls horses were both turned over in the Gold Cup. They're both exceptional horses but there are enough question marks over both of them for me to look elsewhere at this stage. At the moment Cooldine (regardless of what happens in the Lexus because he'll need the run) and Imperial Commander (regardless of what happens in the King George because of his poor record right-handed) would be my two against the field at the moment.

Care to enlighten me DH.What happened there?
Realy looking forward to seeing Cooldine.
Also whats the story with Mikael D'Augenet or have I missed something??

There was initially bad blood over when McCoy first went to ride for Martin Pipe. McCoy supposedly had a gentlemans agreement to ride some of Nicholls' horses and Barber was livid when McCoy told them he was going to be stable jockey at Nicholashayne. There was more trouble over what happened in the 1998 Gold Cup. Cyborgo lost his action at the top of the hill and McCoy went to pull him up but he ended up carrying out Barber's horse See More Business and Timmy Murphy. There was war over that for a while afterwards with even whispers that it was a deliberate act of sabotage by the Pipe team - complete nonsense of course. I'd be very surprised to ever see McCoy get the leg up on Denman in the circumstances.

Mikael D'Haguenet has had a few minor setbacks but he should be out in a beginners chase in the next two or three weeks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 21, 2009, 12:25:05 PM
Lads just a general question here. Staying in Bristol for the Gold Cup and was wondering what is the best way to get out to Cheltneham and how long would it take?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 21, 2009, 12:35:46 PM
Sweet Shock 1.05 told has strong e/w claims
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 21, 2009, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 21, 2009, 12:25:05 PM
Lads just a general question here. Staying in Bristol for the Gold Cup and was wondering what is the best way to get out to Cheltneham and how long would it take?

Its about 35 miles. Depending on where exactly you are you would likely be best to take the train and book it well in advance as its cheaper. These are the buckos to use

http://www.thetrainline.com/buytickets/?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 21, 2009, 04:08:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 20, 2009, 02:52:43 PM
Mikael D'Haguenet has had a few minor setbacks but he should be out in a beginners chase in the next two or three weeks.

Mikael D'Haguenet (FR) b g 2004 WP Mullins

Dec/Entries
Date Course Race
Tue, 29th  Leopardstown 1.25 Membership at Leop Beginners S`chase

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 21, 2009, 04:20:53 PM
Who do u fancy for the novice chase on stephens day Donnelly? Looks like its going to be a cracker.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 21, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
Race of the day for me. The King George is all about one horse and I can't see the result of the Christmas Hurdle making the Champion Hurdle picture any clearer.

4 horse race for me between Sizing Europe, Osana, Captain Cee Bee, Sports Line. Whoever wins will deservedly be made outright favourite for the Arkle. I don't think anyone has priced up the race on Saturday yet but I would predict something like:

7/4 Sizing Europe
11/4 Osana
9/2 Sports Line
5/1 Captain Cee Bee
12/1 BAR

Sizing Europe is the likely favourite and he has done nothing wrong so far over fences. He's not been off the bridle yet and that remains a big question mark hanging over him. I'd be willing to take him on at a skinny enough price. Osana is a similar story. Roberto Goldback franked his form beating Cousin Vinny but I just have it in my head that he is not the most reliable sort. He bombed big time in the Champion Hurdle last year when he didn't get an uncontested lead. Sports Line hasn't the top class hurdles form of the other three but he is the talking horse from Willie's yard this year. He may potentially be very good but I suspect if Mikael D'Haguenet had ran already, not many would be talking him up. Captain Cee Bee would interest me at what potentially could be an e/w price. I was very impressed with him at Naas when not a lot was expected of him. He has clearly had his problems but when he is right he is a special horse. He was off the bit going nowhere at the top of the hill in the Supreme Novices a few years ago and he outfought Binocular at the back of the last giving him 8lbs.

I don't think its a race to get too involved in financially given the lack of collateral form. I wouldn't let CCB go unbacked at 4/1 or bigger though and I'd certainly be having a small e/w investment. I'd be more inclined to back one of them antepost for the Arkle before this race if you fancied them. I flagged up CCB at 25/1 with Ladbrokes on here a few weeks ago. He's is best priced 16/1 now and that may look very big after Stephens' Day. Sizing Europe is best priced 6/1, Osana 12/1 and Corals have Sports Line at 20s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 21, 2009, 04:59:02 PM
having a bit of a stinker at the moment but radiator rooney is very good value in the lucky last

should give a good account of itself this afternoon
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 21, 2009, 08:27:56 PM
Hurricane Fly out of Leopardstown and "a major doubt" for the CH:

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/leopardstown-injury-may-rule-hurricane-fly-out-of-champion/665572/leopardstownfestival/

:'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 21, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
Fcuk it anyway.  :(

Hopefully Philip Fenton doesn't go getting any ideas with Dunguib now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 22, 2009, 09:58:33 AM
Nightmare! Thats the dangers of ante post betting I suppose. Im with you Donnelly about Fenton. I know he has stated that he would prefer to go down the novice route but the way the champion hurdle is shaping up he could be tempted!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on December 22, 2009, 11:42:35 AM
Fenton & Co. will have to seriously consider it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pebble-dasher on December 22, 2009, 12:05:00 PM
Anyone for Down Royal on Sat?  Was on the website there and it says spectators entrance and area frozen at the min but there will be an inspectionon before Sat.  Hope it goes ahead because last day was a wash out!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 22, 2009, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: Homer on December 22, 2009, 11:42:35 AM
Fenton & Co. will have to seriously consider it.

no offense to those who have backed Dunguib but he could and probably would win the Champion Hurdle and I would prefer to see him run in that as I have backed Pepe Simo for the Supreme
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 22, 2009, 01:15:56 PM
I know I'm financially biased (even though I have covered my Supreme Novices stake with a Champion Hurdle bet at 33/1), I still think novices should stick to novice races. He may well be the second coming of Arkle/Dawn Run/Golden Cygnet and he may well win the next four Champion Hurdles but he has only had three races over timber and two of those were against a collection of old hounds who are only a rung up the ladder from the glue factory. He's never been asked to run or jump at the crazy gallop they inevitably go in the Champion Hurdle. There was a similar argument when Beef Or Salmon ran in the Gold Cup as a novice. Not many were complaining when Hourigan ran him but the horse wasn't used to jumping at that pace and he fell early on and was never the same horse after. Plenty of hurlers on the ditch who were silent beforehand came out and started castigating Hourigan telling him he should have stuck to the novice route. Dunguib is a penalty kick in the Supreme Novices even at this stage and I think Fenton would be mad to take a gamble on him being ready for the Champion Hurdle.

People have to remember that Dunguib is a box-walker so he is a very nervous excitable sort. Too much, too soon for a horse like that can sour them and put them backwards. They kept him in bumpers for an extra year because he couldn't jump to save his life when he first schooled over hurdles. They've also said that he'll always remain a hurdler because they feel fences will over-faze the horse even though he has the size and scope for chasing. Bearing all this in mind, I would be very surprised if he ran in a Champion Hurdle as a novice even though it does look like a very winnable renewal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: goldenyears on December 22, 2009, 08:56:32 PM
Hearing strong word for noble prince on stephens day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 22, 2009, 09:48:51 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 19, 2009, 04:05:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
I've heard from a fairly reliable source that Albertas Run will be aimed at the Ryanair this season Hardy.

That makes sense - I've checked and the 75 price represents a jump from 40 earlier - word must be out. That's the trouble with Ante-post


Looking at Alberta's Run for the King Geroge, have I missed something regarding injury or a possible other race?

If not 20/1 must surely represent each way value given that he chased Kauto home last year in the same race? Form average enough this year though I suppose.

Quote from: goldenyears on December 22, 2009, 08:56:32 PM
Hearing strong word for noble prince on stephens day

What race is that?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 22, 2009, 10:27:13 PM
Noble Prince is in the Grade 2 three mile hurdle on Monday.

I thought he might be a World Hurdle candidate after his Naas win but he went to Navan the following week and got stuffed by Aitmatov. Wouldn't surprise me if there was something wrong with him that day. If he's back to his Naas form he is good enough to beat Ninetieth Minute and Oscar Dan Dan (who is better right handed).

War Of Attrition is an interesting entry there considering he is not in the Lexus. Mouse must be protecting his handicap mark for Liverpool.  :o

Heard word today that An Siorrac is probably out for the season.  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 22, 2009, 11:49:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 22, 2009, 11:47:16 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 22, 2009, 10:27:13 PM
Heard word today that An Siorrac is probably out for the season.  :'(
I don't know what a siorrac is but if it's a searrach, it's still a bit young.

Ask Dermot Cox. Think he owns him so he probably named him too.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 22, 2009, 11:55:43 PM
Give Punchestown Racecourse a bell. He was chairman there a few years ago. Presume he still is!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 23, 2009, 04:40:59 PM
Decs are out for Saturday. Kauto Star should be good enough for a fourth King George because the rest of the field look no better than Grade 2 class with the exception of Imperial Commander and I couldn't back him given his indifferent record right-handed. Doubt I'll have a bet in the race.

Its a pity there's only 7 runners in the Christmas Hurdle for e/w purposes. I'd fancy Starluck e/w if it was three places but I'll probably have a win bet on Go Native now against Binocular. The track and ground will suit Go Native perfectly and I get the sense that JP, Henderson and McCoy are fast losing patience with Binocular. Interesting that Nicholls pitches Pepe Simo in here Sammy?  ;)

Sports Line runs at Limerick instead of the Grade 1 novice at Leopardstown. Reduces the chances of getting a good e/w price about Captain Cee Bee against Osana and Sizing Europe unfortunately. Alaivan should be a backable price given that he takes on an unbeaten Noel Meade trained, John Corr owned juvenille. I will be having another few bob on for the Triumph before he runs. Weld's Rite Of Passage is probably worth a small antepost punt for the Neptune Novices Hurdle at Cheltenham before he makes his hurdling debut in the first. I'm hoping for a good day for DK with Universal Truth and Elegant Concorde also running.

Some punts I'll be having:

Kempton
12.45 - Belvano
2.30 - Go Native

Limerick
2.10 - Sports Line

Leopardstown
12.10 - Rite Of Passage (NB)
12.45 - Universal Truth
1.20 - Alaivan (NAP)
3.30 - Elegant Concorde

Down Royal
3.00 - Agus A Vic
3.30 - Lean Times
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 23, 2009, 04:48:35 PM
Why do u think Sports Line is swerving Lepordstown Donelly? Is it just because Mullins yard is out of sorts?

I was looking forward to seeing him race here as I have him backed for the Arkle. Surely he will be odds on in Limerick?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 23, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
I suspect its more that Willie knows Mikael D'Haguenet is his Arkle horse rather than Sports Line. I think Willie knows he probably wouldn't be good enough against Sizing Europe, Osana and Captain Cee Bee. The Limerick race is 2m3 as well so its possible that he thinks Sports Line might be more of a Jewson/Powers Gold Cup horse.

The yard is definitely blowing hot and cold at the moment. He might be a decent price at Limerick on the back of that. There's some useful horses up against him like Coolcashin, Faltering Fullback, Beau Michael, Mr Warbucks, Oscar Looby and River Liane. I'd expect him to be around the 6/4 mark but its hard to tell. How the market develops in the morning will tell a lot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: football-4-life on December 24, 2009, 12:10:05 PM
Got a tip today for the 2.10 race at limerick!! wont be beat i have been told
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lawrence of Knockbride on December 24, 2009, 12:11:15 PM
Well what is it then?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 24, 2009, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: football-4-life on December 24, 2009, 12:10:05 PM
Got a tip today for the 2.10 race at limerick!! wont be beat i have been told

Ahem???

Never like to hear the words 'won't be beat'.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 24, 2009, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: boojangles on December 24, 2009, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: football-4-life on December 24, 2009, 12:10:05 PM
Got a tip today for the 2.10 race at limerick!! wont be beat i have been told

Ahem???

Never like to hear the words 'won't be beat'.

The Greenmount (2:10) is probably the most competitive race anywhere over the whole day.

Baily View, Beau Michael, Coolcashin, Dancing Tornado, Faltering Fullback, Mr Warbucks, Oscar Looby, River Liane, Sam Adams, Sports Line, Swift Counsel  :o

You couldn't write any of them off with any degree of assurance. Your man's having us on if he has a sure thing for a race like that. Its a Grade 2 not a sh1tty little handicap or nursery on the AW where you can land a nice touch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 26, 2009, 11:10:13 AM
Is The Maze off? Sports Line is a NR.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on December 26, 2009, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 26, 2009, 11:10:13 AM
Is The Maze off? Sports Line is a NR.

maze is off yeah, poor card anyway in my opinion, sports line a non runner also
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2009, 01:31:32 PM
Having a bit of a shocker so far. Omens for the day for bad when Rite Of Passage gets injured on the way to the racecourse!

Alaivan pulled hard early but the Gigginstown horse absolutely murdered him. Fair fcuks to Gordon Elliott.

Might have to get stuck into Kauto Star later to get out of trouble.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 26, 2009, 02:11:50 PM
connections quitly confident that Pepe Simo will win the 2.30 - a decent e/w bet would be made handier by another runner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 26, 2009, 02:27:37 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2009, 01:31:32 PM
Having a bit of a shocker so far. Omens for the day for bad when Rite Of Passage gets injured on the way to the racecourse!

Alaivan pulled hard early but the Gigginstown horse absolutely murdered him. Fair fcuks to Gordon Elliott.

Might have to get stuck into Kauto Star later to get out of trouble.


Does Imperial Commander have a chance or will he even finish the race ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on December 26, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
Go Native!!  Woohoo!!

Shame Capt CeeBee fell - looked set up for a storming finish.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
Definitely the new Harchibald. Real slick jumper. Makes the injury to Hurricane Fly a right tragedy though considering how he belted him twice last year.

Real shame for Captain Cee Bee. He had Sizing Europe well covered IMO. Delighted with the 25s for the Arkle now though. Fosters Cross was well stuffed and he was the form line to the English novices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 26, 2009, 03:13:12 PM
Eazzzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2009, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 26, 2009, 03:13:12 PM
Eazzzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!

What a horse. Backed Alberta's Run myself but enver got into it and finished 6th.

You can't argue with Kauto. Massacred the opposition. 4 King Georges, 2 Gold Cups, a Tingle Creek. Pure pure class. If Denman gets to the Gold Cup looking right, what a race in prospect.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
Truly awesome performance but it was probably the weakest of the 4 King Georges he has won in fairness. Can only beat what is put in front of him though and he did that with his head in his chest.

Nice performance from DK's in the bumper. Himself and Go Native have bailed me out big time today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2009, 03:46:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
Truly awesome performance but it was probably the weakest of the 4 King Georges he has won in fairness. Can only beat what is put in front of him though and he did that with his head in his chest.

Nice performance from DK's in the bumper. Himself and Go Native have bailed me out big time today.

On what basis do you say that Donnelly's Hollow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2009, 03:58:13 PM
His only realistic challenger there was Imperial Commander and he was beat after the second fence. The likes of Nacarat, Barbers Shop and Madison Du Berlais are only good handicappers IMO.

Exotic Dancer/Our Vic/Racing Demon etc. used to give him a better race a few years ago. I know both Our Vic and Racing Demon were in the field today but they were capable of running up to a rating in the high 160s two or three years ago. We're blessed to have two class staying chasers in Denman and Kauto Star but beyond them there's a lot of mediocre horses running in the Grade 1s. Hopefully either Joncol or Cooldine will step up on Monday and offer a realistic e/w alternative.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DoYerJob Linesman on December 26, 2009, 09:18:03 PM
Had a great day today. £450 up and smiling.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
Trappy looking card at Leopardstown tomorrow. I'll be keeping an eye out for Merchant Royal in the bumper. DK's did me a big favour today and I've heard good things about this fellow tomorrow. The market will be very informative as always.

Mille Chief/Riverside Theatre double should be popular at Kempton Park.

Probably won't be posting on here again till the New Year so I'll list out a few I hope to be following over the next few days:

Hugo De Vindecy (Could run in the Grade 3 novice hurdle at Limerick on Monday)
Pandorama (Knight Frank chase on Monday. Hopefully the 25/1 for the RSA will be looking even better!)
Dr Whizz (Should win a maiden hurdle for Tom Mullins over the next week)
Noble Prince (Woodies Hurdle on Monday. Wasn't at his best last time out but I suspect there were excuses)
Voler La Vedette (I suspect she'll run in the mares race on Tuesday where she'll be long odds on but she's good enough to win the Grade 1 against Solwhit, Sublimity, Jumbo Rio etc.)
Some Slam (Entered in the bumper on Tuesday. Bolted up at Listowel and that race has worked out very well. Could well be a Cheltenham bumper horse)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on December 27, 2009, 04:20:03 PM
anyone fancy cooldine tommorow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 28, 2009, 01:04:40 AM
what about Hello Bud in tomorrow's Welsh Grand National after our esteemed board member?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DirtyDozen12 on December 28, 2009, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 27, 2009, 04:20:03 PM
anyone fancy cooldine tommorow?

when is he running and where?

any good tips for today anyone?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 28, 2009, 02:00:18 PM
operation houdini and halcon generladis in the welsh national
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on December 28, 2009, 02:41:41 PM
Ted Walsh is a funny guy!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 02, 2010, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
Trappy looking card at Leopardstown tomorrow. I'll be keeping an eye out for Merchant Royal in the bumper. DK's did me a big favour today and I've heard good things about this fellow tomorrow. The market will be very informative as always.

Mille Chief/Riverside Theatre double should be popular at Kempton Park.

Probably won't be posting on here again till the New Year so I'll list out a few I hope to be following over the next few days:

Hugo De Vindecy (Could run in the Grade 3 novice hurdle at Limerick on Monday)
Pandorama (Knight Frank chase on Monday. Hopefully the 25/1 for the RSA will be looking even better!)
Dr Whizz (Should win a maiden hurdle for Tom Mullins over the next week)
Noble Prince (Woodies Hurdle on Monday. Wasn't at his best last time out but I suspect there were excuses)
Voler La Vedette (I suspect she'll run in the mares race on Tuesday where she'll be long odds on but she's good enough to win the Grade 1 against Solwhit, Sublimity, Jumbo Rio etc.)
Some Slam (Entered in the bumper on Tuesday. Bolted up at Listowel and that race has worked out very well. Could well be a Cheltenham bumper horse)

Had a decent enough return for the week. The short-priced double at Kempton came up. Pandorama and Voler La Vedette won at short prices and Dr Whizz won his maiden hurdle at 7/1. No luck with Hugo De Vindecy, Noble Prince or Some Slam.

Won't be a lot of racing over the next week or so with this feckin' weather. Sandown went today and tomorrow's good card at Naas has gone.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 11, 2010, 02:35:10 PM
3 30 a big sky brewing
5 15 greystone prince

both solid e/w's today

what a crock of shit  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 13, 2010, 09:28:43 AM
sublimity e/w in the champion hurle if the ground comes up good.This horse aint finished yet.You can thank me come march.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 13, 2010, 11:21:14 AM
Brazilian Brush 445 Kempton.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 13, 2010, 04:14:42 PM
Pocket Two in the 5.45 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 13, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 13, 2010, 04:14:42 PM
Pocket Two in the 5.45 Kempton


Is there word for this or a simple chance flutter
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 13, 2010, 05:24:44 PM
6.45 My Best Bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 13, 2010, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 13, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 13, 2010, 04:14:42 PM
Pocket Two in the 5.45 Kempton


Is there word for this or a simple chance flutter

just getting back on now... got word and the stuff I have had recently has been shocking  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 13, 2010, 07:45:02 PM
Hopefully they can get some turf racing back somewhere soon. I'm sick of all this bucket and sand crap on the AW. Thurles tomorrow and Friday is gone and I was over in Naas this afternoon and I'd say they are no more than 50/50 for Saturday. It looks like Musselburgh will get the go ahead for Saturday across the water.

There'll be chaos for a week or two when we do eventually get turf racing back. Everyone will be scrambling to get a run into their horse before Cheltenham and there'll be plenty of horses short of peak fitness due to the weather. A few of the trainers close to me have been clearing their gallops daily for three weeks now. Keep an eye out for the Curragh trainers because I understand that the Old Vic gallop was useable. Trainers based by the coast should also be watched. Many will have been able to keep their horses ticking over on the beaches. Ferdy Murphy has been working his horses daily on Redcar strand over in England.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on January 13, 2010, 07:56:38 PM
not even one of them came in placed :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 13, 2010, 09:36:52 PM
Quote from: randomtask on January 13, 2010, 07:56:38 PM
not even one of them came in placed :o

stick with hugh taylor, he seems to be the only one who can pick a winner with a nice double today that i missed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 14, 2010, 01:47:02 PM
small stakes for these two FANCIES

Formidable Guest 3.00pm
Zuwaar 4.40pm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on January 14, 2010, 01:56:15 PM
Will this spell of bad weather have upset trainers plans for Cheltenham? It can't have help those training in the areas worst affected.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 14, 2010, 03:15:38 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 13, 2010, 09:36:52 PM
Quote from: randomtask on January 13, 2010, 07:56:38 PM
not even one of them came in placed :o

stick with hugh taylor, he seems to be the only one who can pick a winner with a nice double today that i missed

Pos Dist. Silk Cloth / Horse Name (Draw) SP Age / Wt Jockey / Trainer OR
1    1. Formidable Guest (9) 11/2 6 9 - 6 Saleem Golam
J Pearce
67
   
2  hd  9. Carr Hall (IRE) (5) 6/1 7 8 - 6
(oh3)  R Kingscote
B G Powell
51
   
3  ¾  4. Vinces (7) 9/2 Fav 6 9 - 2 Hayley Turner
T D McCarthy
63
 
Who needs Hugh Taylor when we have SammyMaguire!!!!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2010, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: Silky on January 14, 2010, 01:56:15 PM
Will this spell of bad weather have upset trainers plans for Cheltenham? It can't have help those training in the areas worst affected.

It'll have knocked lads back a few weeks but it shouldn't have any impact at all come March. There's still sixty days till the tapes go up for the Supreme Novices. As long as we get back on the turf in the next week (which we will in Ireland) there won't be too many problems.

Everyone will be scrambling to get a run into their unraced juvenile hurdlers and bumper horses but every trainer in Ireland and Britain will be in the same boat. Most of the big yards don't do a lot of work with their Cheltenham horses at this time of year anyway. Henderson & Nicholls in particular, prefer to freshen them up in early January for their targets in the spring.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on January 14, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
Quote from: Silky on January 14, 2010, 01:56:15 PM
Will this spell of bad weather have upset trainers plans for Cheltenham? It can't have help those training in the areas worst affected.

Depending on the severity of the freezing conditions i couldnt imagine a whole pile of work being carried out by too many trainers.
I know i couldnt bring out any of my horses for fear of them falling and injuring themselves badly.
Some of the larger known might have all weather facilities but for most of the smaller ones wouldnt have been able to do alot.
However in terms of cheltenham preparations i couldnt see it having a major negative for any hopefuls as there is plenty of time between now and then to catch up to what condition trainers want their horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 14, 2010, 05:40:15 PM
a long overdue winner!  :o 6.40 earlsmedic e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on January 14, 2010, 07:41:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVtthE4sLXo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2010, 07:56:08 PM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on January 14, 2010, 07:41:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVtthE4sLXo

:D

Reminds me of the time Johnny Murtagh punched Pat Smullen after passing the winning post at Leopardstown a few years back.

Its no surprise them American lads have a bit of a temper. It must be fierce boring riding the exact same track over and over again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2010, 08:04:34 PM
http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TRM_2006_08_17_01_1720 (http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TRM_2006_08_17_01_1720)

Similar incident from Tramore a few years back. Watch about ten strides before they hit the line. I'd say Russell was feeling his arse for a few days!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on January 14, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
Aye would be sore alright DH, wouldn't like a crack with a whip like that...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: harlechman on January 14, 2010, 10:55:56 PM
How are the ante-post books looking for Cheltenham lads?

I'm sitting pretty on Captain Cee Bee for the Arkle at 25s.
Speculative few euro on Mikael D'Haguenet for the Champion Hurdle at 42 on Betfair, he's drifted out to 75 now though.
Backed Finnians Rainbow at 16s for the Ballymore.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 15, 2010, 01:02:53 PM
Keep an eye on Robert Winston today,looks to have a few good rides at Lingfield and Wolves.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 15, 2010, 01:37:32 PM
cheers boo, radiator rooney a good bet for me today at 5.50 woverhampton and plush at 6.50

  Radiator Rooney     5/1 SP         
WOLVERHAMPTON
5:50 HANDICAP (0-55) 5f 216yds
2010-01-15 17:50:00
Win or each way
Radiator Rooney
1/4 places 1,2,3   
   
  Plush      4/1 SP         
WOLVERHAMPTON
6:50 HANDICAP (0-90) 1m 141yds
2010-01-15 18:50:00
Win or each way
Plush
1/4 places 1,2,3   

Total stake: 20.00
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Potential returns: 345.00

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 15, 2010, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 15, 2010, 01:02:53 PM
Keep an eye on Robert Winston today,looks to have a few good rides at Lingfield and Wolves.

13:45 Stay Warm At Victor Chandler Casino Claiming Stakes 8 ran. 
Place Distance No. Horse Weight Jockey S.P.
1st  3  Total Impact  9 5  R Winston  9/4 JF   :o  ;)


14:15 Victor Chandler Live Casino Always Open Handicap 4 ran. 
Place Distance No. Horse Weight Jockey S.P.
1st   3  Lily Lily  9 2  R Winston  4/1  :o  :o  ;D


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on January 15, 2010, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: harlechman on January 14, 2010, 10:55:56 PM
How are the ante-post books looking for Cheltenham lads?

I'm sitting pretty on Captain Cee Bee for the Arkle at 25s.
Speculative few euro on Mikael D'Haguenet for the Champion Hurdle at 42 on Betfair, he's drifted out to 75 now though.
Backed Finnians Rainbow at 16s for the Ballymore.

Same here on Capt. Cee Bee.  Not a whole lot else that has come in much since I backed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on January 15, 2010, 05:26:57 PM
flutters or tips sammy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: OverTheBlackSpot on January 15, 2010, 05:57:59 PM
Cheers Sammy, Put a 5er on your 1st horse Rooney @ 13/2 ! Good Man !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on January 15, 2010, 06:00:17 PM
good man, £15 on her at 12-1 happy days ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 15, 2010, 06:22:27 PM
Couldn't bring myself to back a horse with the name Rooney in it. f**k it anyway. Fair play tho Sammy,your back on track :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 18, 2010, 11:54:49 AM
2.40 Plumpton - CHERRY FLORA e/w (A fancy)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bacon on January 19, 2010, 04:07:02 PM
I see Mighty Bob won again this afternoon at Naas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 19, 2010, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 27, 2009, 02:29:22 PM
I certainly wouldn't disagree with that Mickey. Last couple of the day Intyre Trail Dund 7.00, Tocca Ferro 3.45 Newb

I think 7/2 for Denman tomorrow is a STEAL!

I am only getting back in now, sorry I should have put this on earlier on but another good win from this very promising horse today. Sods law but had 3 tips today and all 3 won, anyway, one more got told Sairaam in the 4.50 should go close.

Was always gonna happen!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 19, 2010, 06:10:14 PM
some very sad racing news http://www.meltontimes.co.uk/news/BREAKING-NEWS-Race-horse-trainer39s.5995172.jp
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 20, 2010, 02:36:26 PM
got good word on the 6:30 Kempton Danis Girl available at 7/2 at the moment and Sherjawy in the 4.10 at Lingers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 20, 2010, 05:11:11 PM
I also think RAVI RIVER is very good value just ahead of Dichoh in the 5.30... 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on January 20, 2010, 06:41:32 PM
Would hate to hear if you had bad word on a horse as that danis girl run the worst race ever id say lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 21, 2010, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Family guy on January 20, 2010, 06:41:32 PM
Would hate to hear if you had bad word on a horse as that danis girl run the worst race ever id say lol

crap run FG! you got anything for us today??  :-X Businessmoney Judi in the 4 o clock worth backing imo 6/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on January 21, 2010, 10:09:21 AM
Got word on a very longshot - Merry Cowboy in 2.35 in Gowran Park. Currently 50/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 21, 2010, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: ludermor on January 21, 2010, 10:09:21 AM
Got word on a very longshot - Merry Cowboy in 2.35 in Gowran Park. Currently 50/1

if he looses  Ludermor i'll be canvassing for a public  hanging at the musical bridge
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 21, 2010, 01:58:03 PM
War Of Attrition back in the winning groove over timber at Gowran. Great to see.

Some Slam, the horse I posted as a Cheltenham bumper possible is running in the bumper at Gowran today. He disappointed big time at Leopardstown over Christmas but its worth noting that Tom Mullins is persisting with him in bumpers rather than going for a maiden hurdle. Willie's got the odds-on fav but hopefully the brother can upstage him today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: themightyoak on January 21, 2010, 02:07:05 PM
Oddshoes.  3.00 pm at Taunton told it has E/W chance today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on January 21, 2010, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 21, 2010, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: ludermor on January 21, 2010, 10:09:21 AM
Got word on a very longshot - Merry Cowboy in 2.35 in Gowran Park. Currently 50/1

if he comes in Ludermor i'll be canvassing for you to be made a freeman of mayo or something similiar  ;)
Hold off on that for a while!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 21, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 21, 2010, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: ludermor on January 21, 2010, 10:09:21 AM
Got word on a very longshot - Merry Cowboy in 2.35 in Gowran Park. Currently 50/1

if he looses  Ludermor i'll be canvassing for a public  hanging at the musical bridge

:o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on January 21, 2010, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 21, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 21, 2010, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: ludermor on January 21, 2010, 10:09:21 AM
Got word on a very longshot - Merry Cowboy in 2.35 in Gowran Park. Currently 50/1

if he looses  Ludermor i'll be canvassing for a public  hanging at the musical bridge

:o
That will be on the crossmolina side!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: football-4-life on January 21, 2010, 06:05:12 PM
keenes royal 6.50 !! wnt be beat!! its evens muni!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 21, 2010, 07:34:55 PM
nice shout missed it though, must have drifted too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: football-4-life on January 21, 2010, 07:44:16 PM
yes it did!! word straight from the stables!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 21, 2010, 09:22:18 PM
John Gosden has given Jimmy Fortune the boot in favour for the 21 year-old William Buick?  :o

Crazy decision. Fortune's the most underrated flat jock in the business. I imagine there'll be plenty of demand for his services next summer. Ballydoyle/Coolmore had no problem giving him the ride on Rip Van Winkle when Murtagh was suspended.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 22, 2010, 12:56:55 PM
was told to follow the money on celtic sovereign in the 2pm at lingers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bendurback on January 22, 2010, 02:12:57 PM
Got a tip this morning for New World Order 3.10 Lingfield. Price into 13/2 from tens.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 22, 2010, 02:17:51 PM
cheers bendy favourite too well in for mine  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mucksav on January 23, 2010, 02:40:25 PM
3.10 ascot strvansky dance, get on er lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lady GAA GAA on January 23, 2010, 02:58:55 PM
steviemac 10/1 leopardstown  :P

@3.05
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on January 23, 2010, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2009, 05:29:06 PM
I don't think I am being too harsh on him. He obviously has ability but he is fustratingly inconsistent and I doubt he'll run up to anywhere near this form for the rest of the season.

Remember last year when he came down two out in the Tingle Creek when still holding every chance, he went to Kempton over Christmas for the Desert Orchid Chase and he was sent off a well-backed jolly. He then went and planted himself at the start, only consented to take part after three or four attempts to line up and ran like a hairy goat against a field of moderate Grade 2 horses.

He'll probably be a short-price favourite next time out and I'd certainly want to be a layer if he was running against anything of note. Ruby won't be available for the Kempton race again this year. Do you think someone like Christian Williams or Nick Schofield would give this horse as tactically an astute a ride as Ruby gave him today?

care to review this?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 25, 2010, 02:42:54 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 23, 2010, 05:29:12 PM
care to review this?

I stand by my opinion of him. I gave up on him a good while ago and the last two wins won't get me back on his side.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2009, 05:29:06 PM
He'll probably be a short-price favourite next time out and I'd certainly want to be a layer if he was running against anything of note. Ruby won't be available for the Kempton race again this year. Do you think someone like Christian Williams or Nick Schofield would give this horse as tactically an astute a ride as Ruby gave him today?

This is the key point. I don't for a second doubt the horse has serious ability, but against proper Grade 1 two milers, I'd want to be against him. Apart from Well Chief (who isn't half the horse he was 5/6 years ago) nothing in that field yesterday could claim to be a top two miler. Oh Crick and Petit Robin are no more than useful handicappers.

Every horse has its price and if the race was run again tomorrow, 11/8 Twist Magic still wouldn't be my idea of a bet. If you backed him, congratulations and good luck to you if you play him again at Cheltenham. If he wins the Champion Chase I'll eat humble pie but I don't trust him to do it. Without Ruby on board, I think he'll spit the dummy out and down tools.

If Master Minded isn't back for March, the Arkle could well throw up a better horse than the QMCC. An Cathaoir Mor played another big compliment to Captain Cee Bee today.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 27, 2010, 11:58:30 AM
LINGFIELD
2.00 Sunrise Lyric
3.30 Law of the jungle
Both these are fancied today by connections  ;)

I am starting to reckon there is a jinx on here, INSTANT SHOT 2.10 is another one that I was told about and imoncloudnine e/way in the 3.50  ???

(jeez I give up) alleluia I hear you cry!  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on January 27, 2010, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 27, 2010, 11:58:30 AM
LINGFIELD
2.00 Sunrise Lyric
3.30 Law of the jungle
Both these are fancied today by connections  ;)

right, i'm trusting you with my beer money for tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 27, 2010, 04:39:15 PM
broke even on one winner from four today, pretty shit to be honest
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on January 27, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
anygood horses running at kempton tonite?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 27, 2010, 05:34:45 PM
I fancy 5:40 Kempton Earlsmedic to run a big race @ 8/1 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pebble-dasher on January 27, 2010, 05:39:28 PM
just done lord of the reigns before i read that!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2010, 10:16:11 AM
Brady documentary to be aired this Saturday
Thu, 28th Jan, 2010

RTE Radio 1 will air a documentary on popular trainer Oliver Brady this Saturday evening 30th January at 6.05pm.

The Documentary on One programme is titled 'The Brady Bunch' and was produced by John Scally.

Brady speaks candidly about the many highs and lows in his career and personal life. Oliver recalls his early childhood when, at just four years of age, his father died from an old war wound.

He describes his days as a preacher with Ian Paisley and the shadow cast by 'the Troubles' on life in the boarder county of Monaghan. He recounts his many experiences as a horse racing trainer and how chance played a part in his success when a lucky bet saw him earn enough money to set up his own stables.

http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=42561 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=42561)


Up Monaghan!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 28, 2010, 10:46:24 AM
Should be interesting. A preacher with Paisley??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 28, 2010, 03:07:49 PM
Snowy Morning and Devon Native in the next half an hour or so
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 28, 2010, 03:57:42 PM
Snow Morning beat despite the best efforts of Ruby.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 28, 2010, 04:00:20 PM
another load of horse sh1t, not had a decent run since christmas....  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on January 28, 2010, 04:10:54 PM
it will come soon sammy i can feel it ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 28, 2010, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 28, 2010, 03:07:49 PM
Snowy Morning and Devon Native in the next half an hour or so

Devon Native-must have been one of those tips that half the country has. Got a phonecall in Dublin today about it. A bookie probably put word out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on January 28, 2010, 08:49:20 PM
I'm losing Faith Sammy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2010, 11:05:59 PM
Don't bother with the dross tomorrow and get stuck into Karabak in the Cleeve Hurdle at Cheltenham on Saturday. Knocking e/w bet for the Stayers Hurdle at the festival as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2010, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2010, 11:05:59 PM
Don't bother with the dross tomorrow and get stuck into Karabak in the Cleeve Hurdle at Cheltenham on Saturday. Knocking e/w bet for the Stayers Hurdle at the festival as well.

Get some of the even money up on the exchanges for Saturday because he could be a 1/2, 4/7 shot on the day. He is the only horse in this division that can hold a candle to Big Bucks and his course form is strong having finished second to Mikael D'Haguenet in the best renewal of the 2m5 novice hurdle at the festival for a good few years. Lough Derg and Fair Along have to give him 6 lbs and a whole host of other donkeys have to give him 2 lbs. King is getting a good run going after being in terrible form earlier on in the year. I'm having my first properly big bet of the calendar year on this horse. Cracking punt IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 29, 2010, 12:10:18 AM
Have a 2nd look at alan kings horses in doncaster tomoro im told he'll have a winner....here's hoping
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ha ha derry on January 29, 2010, 08:26:32 AM
Lads, many chance of posting the tips before the race, 1st thing in the morning. Yez seem to have a very high hit rate. Especially Donnellys Hollow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 29, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2010, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2010, 11:05:59 PM
Don't bother with the dross tomorrow and get stuck into Karabak in the Cleeve Hurdle at Cheltenham on Saturday. Knocking e/w bet for the Stayers Hurdle at the festival as well.

Get some of the even money up on the exchanges for Saturday because he could be a 1/2, 4/7 shot on the day. He is the only horse in this division that can hold a candle to Big Bucks and his course form is strong having finished second to Mikael D'Haguenet in the best renewal of the 2m5 novice hurdle at the festival for a good few years. Lough Derg and Fair Along have to give him 6 lbs and a whole host of other donkeys have to give him 2 lbs. King is getting a good run going after being in terrible form earlier on in the year. I'm having my first properly big bet of the calendar year on this horse. Cracking punt IMO.

Think ill put my faith in you this time Donnelly! What did u think of Sports line performance last Sunday? I think he will come on for the run and looks like a classy animal. He could be a cracking each way bet for the Arkle at 20s. Also what did u make of Quel Esprit?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on January 29, 2010, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2010, 11:05:59 PM
Don't bother with the dross tomorrow and get stuck into Karabak in the Cleeve Hurdle at Cheltenham on Saturday. Knocking e/w bet for the Stayers Hurdle at the festival as well.

Is he running in this race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 29, 2010, 11:59:25 AM
Just seen on the racing post site that he wasnt int he final declaration for this race. Have u done your money then Donnelly? Nightmare if u have
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
Thankfully didn't have it on before the final decs stage but there goes the one chance of free money this weekend. Going to put half the stake I was going to have on Karabak into my Dunguib portfolio instead!

I wasn't really convinced with Sports Line before last Sunday but now I think you could be onto a very good bet. Cousin Vinny certainly won't end up in the Arkle and its looking more unlikely by the day that Mikael D'Haguenet will make the festival. I don't think its cut and dried that Ruby will ride Tataniano either who looks a typical Nicholls hype horse to me anyway (1/5 for a novice at Newbury at 2.05 today). They went way too fast up front in the Irish Arkle and Sports Line was keen in behind the leaders. He was the only one of the runners that was handy to keep going at the end though as Take The Breeze and Major Finnegan fell back twenty lengths having been close coming to the last. He definitely has solid claims in the Arkle if he improves again (I doubt An Cathaoir Mor will ever beat him again) but I won't be deserting Captain Cee Bee at this stage.

Quel Esprit was a bit of a disappointment for me. There didn't appear to be any excuses for his reversal and he wouldn't be my idea of a Cheltenham bet now for either the 2m5 or 3 mile novice race. I think Rite Of Passage will be our main hope in the 2m5 and Shinrock Paddy in the 3 mile. I think Rite Of Passage will go close if DK goes down the longer route (no point in chasing Dunguib's backside in the Supreme). Very impressed with Shinrock Paddy at Navan myself but I'd say the English might have a stronger hand among the staying novice hurdlers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2010, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
I don't think its cut and dried that Ruby will ride Tataniano either who looks a typical Nicholls hype horse to me anyway (1/5 for a novice at Newbury at 2.05 today).

There you go now Mickey lad. Arkle horse me hole!  :D

Odds on Ruby will be on Sports Line now unless Mikael D makes it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 29, 2010, 02:44:39 PM
Mr Syntax is running in the 4:15 at Doncaster.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2010, 02:59:49 PM
Plenty of market confidence behind it by the looks of things
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
Only found Jessie Harrington's raider too good. Nice e/w punt Saffron
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 29, 2010, 04:30:53 PM
Wolverhampton, Alf Tupper 5.10pm e/w shout (another crap one)

my own personal fancies this evening; could be a quiet weekend
  5:40 Wolverhampton
Total Impact @ 6/4 
  6:10 Wolverhampton
Indian Skipper  @ 7/2 
  6:40 Wolverhampton
Interchoice Star  @ 7/2 
  7:10 Wolverhampton
Right Option  @ 5/1 
  7:40 Wolverhampton
Dobravany  @ 20/1 
  8:10 Wolverhampton
Grey Command  @ 9/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: OverTheBlackSpot on January 29, 2010, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 29, 2010, 04:30:53 PM
Wolverhampton, Alf Tupper 5.10pm e/w shout

Daniel Thomas looks hard to past(on the nose)
See Radiator Rooney back out, any tips for it these week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 29, 2010, 05:18:26 PM
Sorry lads dunno what happened,gilded age was the 1 that was meant to be primed for this race but drifted big time in the betting so dunno what happened....?Still ran a pretty good race so keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on January 29, 2010, 05:39:25 PM
radiator rooney 6:40 worth a shout??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 29, 2010, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
Only found Jessie Harrington's raider too good. Nice e/w punt Saffron

Did it straight. Thought the odds were a bit short for e/w.

Well worth watching I'm told.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 30, 2010, 12:10:29 PM
katchit in the 3.40 for me today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2010, 03:37:10 PM
Two more of Dunguib's rivals (Royal Charm and General Miller) taste defeat at Cheltenham.  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on January 30, 2010, 04:29:59 PM
fucksake what happened quartano there? take it you don't get money back for the hoor pulling out?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on January 31, 2010, 12:24:26 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2010, 03:37:10 PM
Two more of Dunguib's rivals (Royal Charm and General Miller) taste defeat at Cheltenham.  :)

what did you think of tidal bay today dh, and would it be worth an each way punt at the festival?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2010, 01:01:12 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 31, 2010, 12:24:26 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2010, 03:37:10 PM
Two more of Dunguib's rivals (Royal Charm and General Miller) taste defeat at Cheltenham.  :)

what did you think of tidal bay today dh, and would it be worth an each way punt at the festival?

I'd prefer Karabak e/w at 6/1 still over Tidal Bay at twice the price to be honest Charlie. He is a very hard horse to warm to that Tidal Bay. He undoubtedly has an engine but I hate that dirty old head carriage of his. The race today was hardly a great contest either - he was getting 4 lbs from a handicapper in Time For Rupert.

Something will have to come third in March though and he's beaten pretty much everything else in the staying hurdle division today worth writing home about bar Big Bucks and Karabak of course (I don't think Sentry Duty will stay 3 miles myself and War Of Attrition will be back over fences now after the Galmoy). I doubt he'll beat either Big Bucks or Karabak but I'd struggle to nominate another horse among the stayers to put above him. I wouldn't like to put you off him but he wouldn't be my idea of a bet at the moment.

I wasn't really taken by any of the horses at Cheltenham today. You'd normally take one or two out of the Trials Day for the Festival but I just can't see anything that won today repeating the feat in March. Taranis would be of some appeal for the Ryanair but apparently Nicholls is going to the Gold Cup with him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 01, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
Todays tickles

  2:40 Wolverhampton
£10 EW Meikle Barfil  @ 9/1 
  4:50 Wolverhampton
£20 Kersivay @ 7/2 
  5:20 Wolverhampton
£50  Penrod Ballantyne  @ 11/4
this one should win this race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on February 01, 2010, 04:06:41 PM
got word on carmenero 4:50 wolverhampton, you get word on your horse at 4:50 sammy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 01, 2010, 04:29:42 PM
no, no info on mine it looks well in on the handicap but also got wind that grand honour was WELL fancied  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 01, 2010, 04:37:27 PM
newsboy from the mirror 1st 4 up, use to follow him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 01, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
after all that.... £10 on Look Officer to kill the ton or get out relatively unscathed  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on February 01, 2010, 10:17:54 PM
im giving up! :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 02, 2010, 11:29:28 AM
With Charles Byrnes (::)) in the news recently I was told by a friend to watch this farcical finish to a race back in 2005

For some strange reason Laetitia just struggles to find that extra gear to pass her stablemate Aplha Royale

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=COR_2005_04_24_05_1655&vaff=18 (You'll need a ATR account, they're free)

Of course Byrnes said after the race that he was disappointed with the ride from the jockey on Laetitia. Sure you were Charles.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2010, 12:30:49 PM
Quote from: Homer on February 02, 2010, 11:29:28 AM
With Charles Byrnes (::)) in the news recently I was told by a friend to watch this farcical finish to a race back in 2005

For some strange reason Laetitia just struggles to find that extra gear to pass her stablemate Aplha Royale

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=COR_2005_04_24_05_1655&vaff=18 (You'll need a ATR account, they're free)

Of course Byrnes said after the race that he was disappointed with the ride from the jockey on Laetitia. Sure you were Charles.

Remember it well. Farcical is the word I think. Fair play to Gary O'Brien - one of the few Irish racing hacks to call it like it is in his column: http://betdiary.com/garyobrien/2010/01/29/ogorman-ban-completely-inadequate/ (http://betdiary.com/garyobrien/2010/01/29/ogorman-ban-completely-inadequate/)

Check out Pittoni's recent maiden hurdle at Punchestown on New Year's Eve. Horse was a 13/8 shot in the morning, drifted like a barge all day and went off at a SP of 5/1. Ridden well out the back. Very moderate 6th entering the straight. Minimal effort from the jock (Brian Byrnes) after the back of the last but somehow the horse got up to win by a head. I'm told there was very muted exchanges between father and son in the winners enclosure after!

Its not as if he is one of those horses that needs to be ridden that way either. Carberry had him handy for the final mile and gave him a strong drive from the front next time out when the money was down (Evs in to 1/2 fav that day).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 02, 2010, 12:33:00 PM
ROCK ON RUBY WILL WIN THE 4.40 (so I have been told) even money shot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2010, 12:41:07 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 02, 2010, 12:33:00 PM
ROCK ON RUBY WILL WIN THE 4.40 (so I have been told) even money shot

4th behind Oscar Whisky is very strong bumper form in England. Worth a nifty
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 02, 2010, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: Homer on February 02, 2010, 11:29:28 AM
With Charles Byrnes (::)) in the news recently I was told by a friend to watch this farcical finish to a race back in 2005

For some strange reason Laetitia just struggles to find that extra gear to pass her stablemate Aplha Royale

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=COR_2005_04_24_05_1655&vaff=18 (You'll need a ATR account, they're free)

Of course Byrnes said after the race that he was disappointed with the ride from the jockey on Laetitia. Sure you were Charles.

the finish to this race is unbelievable, the jockey behind must have been sweating buckets trying his best to look like he was trying to win the race but knowing that he was going to win it with minimal effort.... how embarassing is that? Was he punished at all for this farce?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 02, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 02, 2010, 12:33:00 PM
ROCK ON RUBY WILL WIN THE 4.40 (so I have been told) even money shot

about bloody time!  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2010, 05:01:10 PM
Good shout Sammy. Nice horse, brother to Alpine Glade. Could be useful when he goes over timber.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 02, 2010, 05:14:06 PM
Just looked at that race there-holy god it was a joke.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 02, 2010, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2010, 05:01:10 PM
Good shout Sammy. Nice horse, brother to Alpine Glade. Could be useful when he goes over timber.

cheers DH, the message on this one was very positive, wish they were all so confident and certainly if it can win around that place the way it was today then it should move on to better things... traded at 4's and 5's on betfair too so had a little of that as well.  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on February 03, 2010, 10:42:41 AM
Woodlark Island - Exeter 13.55
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 03, 2010, 12:19:50 PM
Tonight in Kempton

8.00  Granakey
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 03, 2010, 12:27:10 PM
cheers guys, not today for woodlark.... court in motion in the 4.50 slipped up with the race at its mercy  >:(   >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 03, 2010, 01:55:01 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 03, 2010, 10:42:41 AM
Woodlark Island - Exeter 13.55

In to 4/1 now with PP, 6/1 Betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on February 03, 2010, 02:13:32 PM
Stuffed! 33/1 out sider won.  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 03, 2010, 02:15:18 PM
Was well backed anyway. Perhaps one for the notebook.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on February 03, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
Thats me finished now! Ill leave it to the experts.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 03, 2010, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 03, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
Thats me finished now! Ill leave it to the experts.

phew thank the lord i missed that tip Ludermor
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on February 03, 2010, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 03, 2010, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 03, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
Thats me finished now! Ill leave it to the experts.

phew thank the lord i missed that tip Ludermor
Straight from the stables i was told!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on February 03, 2010, 03:04:15 PM
The bar in Limerick?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 03, 2010, 03:30:20 PM
Someone lumped money on, jumped into 4/1 on betfair and straight back out to 6/1. 

I'll miss my car though, Luder any chance of a lift? :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 03, 2010, 03:41:34 PM
Jessica Wigmo 7:30 Kempton tonight lads. Step up in trip will suit
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on February 03, 2010, 06:18:59 PM
Right I've borrowed €50 and I'll take ur advice Winsam. You can't be any worse than that othe whore Lubermor!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 03, 2010, 10:26:22 PM
Quote from: Silky on February 03, 2010, 06:18:59 PM
Right I've borrowed €50 and I'll take ur advice Winsam. You can't be any worse than that othe whore Lubermor!

you backed it each way of course!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on February 03, 2010, 11:12:42 PM
Betting EW @ 11/2 is for wimps!

No i didn't.   >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 03, 2010, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 03, 2010, 10:26:22 PM
Quote from: Silky on February 03, 2010, 06:18:59 PM
Right I've borrowed €50 and I'll take ur advice Winsam. You can't be any worse than that othe whore Lubermor!

you backed it each way of course!!

Sorry lad i scalped it myself but got the money back with a footy treble
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on February 03, 2010, 11:43:48 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on February 03, 2010, 03:30:20 PM
Someone lumped money on, jumped into 4/1 on betfair and straight back out to 6/1. 

I'll miss my car though, Luder any chance of a lift? :)
LOL ill be thumbing beside ya!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 03, 2010, 11:44:38 PM
Decent little card at Clonmel tomorrow. Willie has found a lovely race for Glencove Marina to make his comeback over fences. If he retains any of his ability from two years ago when he looked a Gold Cup horse in waiting, he should overturn the Thyestes winner Whinstone Boy. Hopefully there'll be some odds-against available in the morning.

For Bill looks nailed in the mares novice hurdle. She has a string of ones next to her name and she hammered the likely second favourite in a Navan bumper back in November. The drop back in trip shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience given the likely going.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 04, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
todays bets (personal fancies)

  1:45 Clonmel EW Capitoline Hill   
  2:20 Wincanton Henry King
  3:45 Clonmel Glencove Marina
  4:15 Clonmel EW Castleview Mills
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 04, 2010, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: Silky on February 03, 2010, 11:12:42 PM
Betting EW @ 11/2 is for wimps!

No i didn't.   >:(

e/w betting at odds of 4/1 or bigger (for 1/4 the odds, 5/1 for 1/5 the odds) is an absolute must if you want to produce a profit. There's a reason all of the on-course layers in England offer such stingy place terms. They hate e/w punters.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 04, 2010, 12:02:14 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 04, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
todays bets (personal fancies)

  1:45 Clonmel EW Capitoline Hill   
  2:20 Wincanton Henry King
  3:45 Clonmel Glencove Marina
  4:15 Clonmel EW Castleview Mills

Never saw that he was running today. Definitely capable of winning a little novice hurdle if he has recovered from his fall last time out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 04, 2010, 02:35:10 PM
market told the story in the Henry King race....  :-[  just been told the money behind Theresathingwrong in the 4.15 is genuine, although I might stick with my fancy or do a rev f/cast on them  ??? and OHIO GOLD in the 4.20 is also expectd to go close
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 04, 2010, 04:35:15 PM
ohio gold- 8/1 sweet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 04, 2010, 04:41:54 PM
racing getting back to some kind of normality, last one of the afternoon, Know No Fear e/w 4.50  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on February 04, 2010, 06:46:47 PM
aahman in the 7.20 wolverhampton,pay the weekend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 04, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
aahman 8/13 on the a/w - madness
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 04, 2010, 07:35:31 PM
Told ya only mugs back them kinda prices on the all weather
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 05, 2010, 10:22:23 AM
shorty but Abergavenny will win the 1.45 currently 4/5 and 3 fancies at Bangor
FABULU 1.50
AMERICAN CRICKET 3.35
ECHO POINT 4.45
COSMETIC 3.20 Catterick outside bet of the day for me 40/1

A few shorties in here but leads me to lucky 15 with

Grey Command
Warrior One
Imbongi
Abergavenny


and £5 e/w treble on
Spellchecker, Hayes Princess and Art of War

Noun De La Thinte (2.25) is strongly fancied to beat Den Of Iniquity under her light weight, Hayes Princess (3.35) is crying out for this trip and has seriously impressed her trainer of late. He has been waiting for softer ground with her and thinks she could easily be a 130 – 140 horse by the years out. Off 108 she is considered seriously well handicapped and firmly expected to score.

At Catterick, Warrior One (1.35) is expected and another which should also run well is Spellchecker (3.55).

At Wolverhampton, Grey Command (5.05) can go in again. Thundering Home (5.35) is off a decent mark to score here. Into Wain (8.05) will be no price but will win. The Great Husk can chase him home.

At Meydan, Presvis (3.15) worked very well on Tuesday and should gag up here. Asset (4.35) used to work a good 20lb better at home on the Tapeta gallop than he showed on course and with that in mind he will be seriously hard to beat. Imbongi (5.10) is strongly expected. Zirconeum (5.45) may not be well drawn but his work suggests he is a group horse who will be one of the main ones to follow this carnival. This looks an open contest and he is taken to win this. Secrecy (6.20) has been working well enough to take this. Art Of War (6.55) knows much more this time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 05, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
if the rest of the day carries on like this I will be having a cracking weekend on the drink!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2010, 03:52:50 PM
Plenty of opportunities to top up the Cheltenham bank on some short ones this weekend.

Sitting on a 25/1 docket on Captain Cee Bee for the Arkle so hopefully he'll have a nice handy race tomorrow at Naas. Should win head in his chest with a clear round.

Henderson has two sure-fire winners at Sandown in Binocular and Punchestowns. He also has a juvenile hurdler making his debut there called According. Supposed to be his Triumph Hurdle horse.

Big day on Sunday. Carlito Brigante has a straightforward task over at Musselburgh. Pitoni will win the Grade 1 juvenile at Leopardstown. I'd want to be against Weapons Amnesty in the PJ Moriarty. I think he is too slow for 2m5. Don't think I'll bet in the Hennessy but if Cooldine is back to his RSA form from last year he will make short work of them.

Bet of the weekend is the 4/6 still available with Paddy Power for Dunguib's SP to be odds-on in the Supreme Novices. He is 1/3 for Sunday and when he wins he'll surely be cut again for Cheltenham. You're pretty much getting 4/6 about the horse winning the Deloitte on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 05, 2010, 08:01:16 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2010, 03:52:50 PM
Plenty of opportunities to top up the Cheltenham bank on some short ones this weekend.

Sitting on a 25/1 docket on Captain Cee Bee for the Arkle so hopefully he'll have a nice handy race tomorrow at Naas. Should win head in his chest with a clear round.

Henderson has two sure-fire winners at Sandown in Binocular and Punchestowns. He also has a juvenile hurdler making his debut there called According. Supposed to be his Triumph Hurdle horse.

Big day on Sunday. Carlito Brigante has a straightforward task over at Musselburgh. Pitoni will win the Grade 1 juvenile at Leopardstown. I'd want to be against Weapons Amnesty in the PJ Moriarty. I think he is too slow for 2m5. Don't think I'll bet in the Hennessy but if Cooldine is back to his RSA form from last year he will make short work of them.

Bet of the weekend is the 4/6 still available with Paddy Power for Dunguib's SP to be odds-on in the Supreme Novices. He is 1/3 for Sunday and when he wins he'll surely be cut again for Cheltenham. You're pretty much getting 4/6 about the horse winning the Deloitte on Sunday.


Unless he goes for the Champion Hurdle?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2010, 08:26:20 PM
http://www.racingpost.com/blog/horse-racing/philip-fenton/its-an-entry-absolutely-nothing-more/673000/ (http://www.racingpost.com/blog/horse-racing/philip-fenton/its-an-entry-absolutely-nothing-more/673000/)

If he was going to the Champion Hurdle he'd have ran two weeks ago at Leopardstown and not in the novice on Sunday. Zaynar, Go Native and Solwhit would all have to fall in a hole for them to even consider the champion.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 05, 2010, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2010, 08:26:20 PM
http://www.racingpost.com/blog/horse-racing/philip-fenton/its-an-entry-absolutely-nothing-more/673000/ (http://www.racingpost.com/blog/horse-racing/philip-fenton/its-an-entry-absolutely-nothing-more/673000/)

If he was going to the Champion Hurdle he'd have ran two weeks ago at Leopardstown and not in the novice on Sunday. Zaynar, Go Native and Solwhit would all have to fall in a hole for them to even consider the champion.

Fiar enough DH. I wouldn't dare contradict you when it comes to matters of the turf!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 06, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2010, 03:52:50 PM
Plenty of opportunities to top up the Cheltenham bank on some short ones this weekend.

Sitting on a 25/1 docket on Captain Cee Bee ;D for the Arkle so hopefully he'll have a nice handy race tomorrow at Naas. Should win head in his chest with a clear round.

Henderson has two sure-fire winners at Sandown in Binocular ;D and Punchestowns. He also has a juvenile hurdler making his debut there called According. :'( Supposed to be his Triumph Hurdle horse.

Big day on Sunday. Carlito Brigante has a straightforward task over at Musselburgh. Pitoni will win the Grade 1 juvenile at Leopardstown. I'd want to be against Weapons Amnesty in the PJ Moriarty. I think he is too slow for 2m5. Don't think I'll bet in the Hennessy but if Cooldine is back to his RSA form from last year he will make short work of them.

Bet of the weekend is the 4/6 still available with Paddy Power for Dunguib's SP to be odds-on in the Supreme Novices. He is 1/3 for Sunday and when he wins he'll surely be cut again for Cheltenham. You're pretty much getting 4/6 about the horse winning the Deloitte on Sunday.
According was terrible!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 07, 2010, 10:34:36 AM
Well lads i haven't got any word, but i see gordon elliot has a few runners over in musselburgh-worth keeping an eye in the market as he usually  knows when his horses will run well  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 07, 2010, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 07, 2010, 10:34:36 AM
Well lads i haven't got any word, but i see gordon elliot has a few runners over in musselburgh-worth keeping an eye in the market as he usually  knows when his horses will run well  ;)

Good call BB. I backed the double.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 07, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 06, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2010, 03:52:50 PM
Plenty of opportunities to top up the Cheltenham bank on some short ones this weekend.

Sitting on a 25/1 docket on Captain Cee Bee for the Arkle so hopefully he'll have a nice handy race tomorrow at Naas. Should win head in his chest with a clear round.

Henderson has two sure-fire winners at Sandown in Binocular and Punchestowns. He also has a juvenile hurdler making his debut there called According Supposed to be his Triumph Hurdle horse.

Big day on Sunday. Carlito Brigante has a straightforward task over at Musselburgh. Pitoni will win the Grade 1 juvenile at Leopardstown. I'd want to be against Weapons Amnesty in the PJ Moriarty. I think he is too slow for 2m5. Don't think I'll bet in the Hennessy but if Cooldine is back to his RSA form from last year he will make short work of them.

Bet of the weekend is the 4/6 still available with Paddy Power for Dunguib's SP to be odds-on in the Supreme Novices. He is 1/3 for Sunday and when he wins he'll surely be cut again for Cheltenham. You're pretty much getting 4/6 about the horse winning the Deloitte on Sunday.
According was terrible!!!

Desperate run alright. Thankfully didn't back him. I've already had my fingers burned on Alaivan for the Triumph.

Dunguib underlined again what a monster he is. His jumping was sketchy but he won with around five stone in hand! He's a Presenting as well and they are usually better on good ground. I'll probably be getting the first plane home if he doesn't win the Supreme Novices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 08, 2010, 01:33:04 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 07, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 06, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2010, 03:52:50 PM
Plenty of opportunities to top up the Cheltenham bank on some short ones this weekend.

Sitting on a 25/1 docket on Captain Cee Bee for the Arkle so hopefully he'll have a nice handy race tomorrow at Naas. Should win head in his chest with a clear round.

Henderson has two sure-fire winners at Sandown in Binocular and Punchestowns. He also has a juvenile hurdler making his debut there called According Supposed to be his Triumph Hurdle horse.

Big day on Sunday. Carlito Brigante has a straightforward task over at Musselburgh. Pitoni will win the Grade 1 juvenile at Leopardstown. I'd want to be against Weapons Amnesty in the PJ Moriarty. I think he is too slow for 2m5. Don't think I'll bet in the Hennessy but if Cooldine is back to his RSA form from last year he will make short work of them.

Bet of the weekend is the 4/6 still available with Paddy Power for Dunguib's SP to be odds-on in the Supreme Novices. He is 1/3 for Sunday and when he wins he'll surely be cut again for Cheltenham. You're pretty much getting 4/6 about the horse winning the Deloitte on Sunday.
According was terrible!!!

Desperate run alright. Thankfully didn't back him. I've already had my fingers burned on Alaivan for the Triumph.

Dunguib underlined again what a monster he is. His jumping was sketchy but he won with around five stone in hand! He's a Presenting as well and they are usually better on good ground. I'll probably be getting the first plane home if he doesn't win the Supreme Novices.

Good word DH.Cheers :) Backed Carlo Brigante,got 11-10. Didnt do Pittoni or Dunguib but right on all accounts.Weapons Amnesty beaten too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 08, 2010, 09:55:08 AM
Super stuff from Dunguib and Joncol! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 08, 2010, 12:35:27 PM
Left the ole boy in the road on saturday and stayed for one, went home 2 hours later thanks to Mr Monkerhoston and Dancing Dik a lot heavier, even missed lambs nap at Naas,

Try my luck with these 4:
Grey Command 5.30 wolv
Burton Point, 3.10 south
Its a classic 1.50 ling
Coda agency 4.20 ling

Got word for the last selection.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 08, 2010, 02:32:34 PM
Hows the ante-post portfolio looking now Donnelly? Your bound to be happy enough with Dunguib? Think I might lay a bit of my liability off at this stage on him.

What do u see as being other festival bankers? Im thinking Big bucks and Garde Champetre should both win while Punchestowns is also looking impressive.

What odds do u reckon Ruby will be for top festival jock?

Delighted to see AP getting the ride on Denman too. Think AP will get the best out of the horse and I would strongly fancy Denman to go and win the big one!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 08, 2010, 02:32:34 PM
Hows the ante-post portfolio looking now Donnelly? Your bound to be happy enough with Dunguib? Think I might lay a bit of my liability off at this stage on him.

What do u see as being other festival bankers? Im thinking Big bucks and Garde Champetre should both win while Punchestowns is also looking impressive.

What odds do u reckon Ruby will be for top festival jock?

Delighted to see AP getting the ride on Denman too. Think AP will get the best out of the horse and I would strongly fancy Denman to go and win the big one!

I think its shaping up well enough at the moment Mickey. February is always the month to be wary though. There's always a few casualties as horses step up their preparations at home.

My festival will revolve around Dunguib. I'm on at a range of prices from 7/2 down. Its not going to be a life-changing sum of money but it will definitely define my betting year. I'll probably hedge a bit with a few of the English novices on the day. I can't see too many trainers rushing to take him on though.

Very pleased with Captain Cee Bee at 25/1, Pandorama at 25/1, Rite Of Passage at 20/1 and Karabak at 14/1. Captain Cee Bee has a favourites chance but the Arkle does look fierce competitive and he'll have to jump well. I'd be a bit more confident about Pandorama after seeing Punchestowns on Saturday and Weapons Amnesty on Sunday. If Punchestowns clouts one like that at Cheltenham then its race over. I think Pandorama will jump and gallop and is well capable of running into the money. Rite Of Passage has done all that has been asked of him so far and will probably go off favourite. Big Bucks does look nailed on in the Stayers but for me, Karabak is the only one that will give him a race. I can't warm to Tidal Bay at all.

Hurricane Fly at 11/2 and Alaivan 7/1 looks like money down the drain at this stage. Hurricane Fly doesn't look like lining up and Alaivan was found out at Christmas. I'm happy enough to let that bet run though because the 4yos look exceptionally weak this year.

Elsewhere, Garde Champetre is the standing dish over the banks and you can't desert him. I like Tranquil Sea very much e/w in the Ryanair. He beat Poquelin easily in the Paddy Power yet he is nearly twice the price. Kalahari King also stands out e/w in the Champion Chase. Very impressed with his comeback at the weekend. I think Quevega is the one to be on again in the mares race. I think Voler La Vedette should be running in the Champion Hurdle as I don't think she is as good over 2m4.

Ruby will probably be short enough as usual for the top jockey. Nicholls will have his usual 3/4 winners but Willie's form doesn't really inspire confidence. Apart from Quevega, I wouldn't fancy any of his at this point in time but that could change. I wouldn't back anyone for top jockey yet until the handicap weights come out. Ruby will pick up a few rides for the likes of Tony Martin but Geraghty will have a good book of rides too and I always like Henderson's in the handicap chases at the festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 08, 2010, 03:19:23 PM
Cheers Donnelly, very informative as usual. your festival portfolio doesnt look bad at all to be honest.

Mine not looking great. Think Sportsline could run a big race in the Arkle but havent attached much hope to Quel Esprit or Alvian.

Also meant to ask u if u attended any Cheltenham preview nights? Do u know any good ones coming up round Dublin or Swords in particular?

Cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2010, 09:24:59 PM
I'd normally go to a few around Kildare. The ones in Naas and Maynooth are usually good nights. How much punters gain from them, I don't know, but they're usually decent craic and you ocassionally get a few decent nuggets of information. Tom Taaffe told everyone at the Maynooth one a few years ago that Kicking King was back in work and would make the Gold Cup, this was when he was available at mammoth prices on the exchanges. Needless to say, there was a mass exodus from the room with everyone desperately ringing up their bookmaker to get on.

I doubt the details have been released for many of them yet but Racing Post website and the Irish Field usually post up the dates, times and venues around the start of March.

Oliver Brady's one up in Monaghan is the stuff of legend at this stage. Chapman, Weld, Frank Berry, Tony Martin all lined up for this year apparently. Any one with Tony Mullins and Davy Russell on the panel is going to be an entertaining night!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 09, 2010, 03:59:26 PM
Rationing 4.30 Eagle Owl 4.40 my late e.w double today (fancies)

one good winner, one loser...  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 09, 2010, 07:21:16 PM
checked 15 pages there for the football bets page but cant see it, so i'll stick it up here:

Leeds 10/11
linfield evs
Gillingham evs
Shrewsbury 8/11
Dungannon 7/5
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 09, 2010, 11:01:44 PM
iv got 5 up on  a 7 match accy-waitig on utd and spurs tomoro-if they come up think it wrks out near 50/1 :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 10, 2010, 01:22:57 PM
c'mon lads, this is horse racing NOT football!!

1.45 Jack Black Blues is fit and ready and should be very hard to beat
3.00 Present Gesture is fancied by the elliott yard / gold reef is a danger...
3.30 Beautiful Vision is another with high hopes
4.20 Sharekan should go close if it can repeat its last run
4.30-Bob Hall is expected to win 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 10, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
we'll call that a VERY good day  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on February 10, 2010, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 10, 2010, 01:22:57 PM
c'mon lads, this is horse racing NOT football!!

1.45 Jack Black Blues is fit and ready and should be very hard to beat
3.00 Present Gesture is fancied by the elliott yard / gold reef is a danger...
3.30 Beautiful Vision is another with high hopes
4.20 Sharekan should go close if it can repeat its last run
4.30-Bob Hall is expected to win

i have been a regular viewer to this forum and especially this thread, i have to say you seem to know your stuff.  (was having problems getting on to post which is why i am stuck with an old and not very original user name).  I was going to back that Sharekan each way at 13-2 after i seen your earlier strike rate.  Going to  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 10, 2010, 04:55:55 PM
thanks armagh, its hit and miss, no guarantees in this game but I have some good contacts spread around UK and Ireland so today most things that was supposed to happen did and I had time to stick it on here too...  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on February 10, 2010, 05:00:46 PM
i am a keen follower of horse racing, my knowledge would not be anywhere near that of some of the people on here but it does not stop me having a punt. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on February 10, 2010, 05:10:02 PM
Sammy, much the same as armagh09 here, long time lurker etc.

Backed your last 3 picks today at £20 to win on each, 3 singles. Needless to say i'm a happy man!!

I backed both your tips yesterday and also won a few quid so thank you again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on February 10, 2010, 05:13:32 PM
'sake sammy i'm a curse on you, today i backed none of your tips and you'd a great day. i hate the horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sprinter on February 11, 2010, 10:17:59 AM
Dunguib would start next month's Champion Hurdle as favourite, should connections have a change of heart and pitch the exciting seven-year-old in against the best. That is the view of William Hill's senior odds compiler, Mike Bellamy, who said he would make Dunguib the 4-1 favourite.

"The current market leaders all have questions still to answer with the exception of Zaynar who just hasn't been as visually impressive as Dunguib," said Bellamy. "He looks a machine, we know he can do it at Cheltenham, and he'd attract all of the Irish money."

Asked the same question, Ladbrokes said they would quote 5-1 and Coral 6-1.

All three firms would be celebrating were Dunguib rerouted away from the Supreme Novice Hurdle, with all reporting him to be a six-figure loser. Ladbrokes, in particular, went out on a limb at a marketplace-best even-money which they held for 24 hours after the horse's victory at Leopardstown on Sunday, while Coral laid him at 6-1 immediately after his win in last year's Championship Bumper.

The ebb and flow over Dunguib's price for the Champion Hurdle with Betfair has been fascinating to watch. His price was down to 16-1 before trainer Philip Fenton gave a live television interview last Friday, prompting speculation that a change of plan was about to be announced. Minutes later, his price was four times as big. He then traded even lower at just 13-1 immediately after his victory on Sunday, but was out to 84-1 the following morning.

Fenton has not categorically stated that Dunguib will not run in the Champion. "It's not on the agenda," was Fenton's comment after Sunday's race. Having turned down reported seven-figure offers for Dunguib, his owners have shown they want to live the dream. And with the likes of Alderbrook and Royal Gait having shown that raw talent can be more important than jumping experience in the Champion Hurdle, it's surely not too late for them to see if the dream can come true this year.


If I owned him I would go for the Champion he defo would have a great chance. I was thinking today maybe his owners have serious money on at anti post prices and that might put them off. what is the difference between the price money for the  Supreme Novice Hurdle and teh Champion.

looks like the english media and the industry are pushing for him to run in Champion. Could it be an other case of Jim Bolger derby horse New Approach. 

If JP owned him i think they would be going for the Champion.

interesting times   

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 11, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
its some dilemma for the owners, on one hand threy can go for a certain 2 in a row festival victory or stick the neck out and go for a blue ribbon championship event, I would not like to be on him ante post for the supreme because what the media want the usually get. I think the best horses should run in the best races
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 11, 2010, 12:53:17 PM
Fenton is no fool lads. He has said from day one that the horse will be aimed at the Supreme. The horse is a box-walker and the last thing he wants to do is over faze him.

Sure novices have won the race before. But what did Royal Gait, Alderbrook or Make A Stand do afterwards? SFA

The difference between them and Dunguib is that they all had plenty of experience from the flat. They were all at their peak running in the Champion Hurdle. Dunguib is a pure NH bred and is still improving and learning his trade.

You only need to look at the first line of the article posted by sprinter to see where this is coming from:

Quote from: sprinter on February 11, 2010, 10:17:59 AM
That is the view of William Hill's senior odds compiler, Mike Bellamy, who said he would make Dunguib the 4-1 favourite.

The bookies have massive ante-post liabilities on Dunguib. It would be all their Christmasses come at once if he didn't run. I'd expect to see plenty of bookies shortening him up for the Champion over the next few weeks in order to try and con a few people into backing him. Don't listen to a word of it - the horse will line up in the first race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 11, 2010, 01:02:41 PM
When does the market open for the CH 2011, or is it open already, might be worth a few bob for next year, although a lot can happen between now and then, he will almost certainly be shorter after the festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 11, 2010, 01:07:46 PM
He is 4/1 with Sky Bet for the 2011 Champion Hurdle.

If he wins at Cheltenham, all going well he'll run in the Champion Hurdle at Punchestown against Solwhit, Go Native and hopefully Hurricane Fly. Should give us a good idea as to how good he is.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 11, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 11, 2010, 01:07:46 PM
He is 4/1 with Sky Bet for the 2011 Champion Hurdle.

If he wins at Cheltenham, all going well he'll run in the Champion Hurdle at Punchestown against Solwhit, Go Native and hopefully Hurricane Fly. Should give us a good idea as to how good he is.

he'll piss all over them all DH, this is the Sea the Stars of the National Hunt
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Silky on February 11, 2010, 01:37:43 PM
Will the board be running a Chelenham competition this year? Who looked after it last year?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 11, 2010, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 11, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 11, 2010, 01:07:46 PM
He is 4/1 with Sky Bet for the 2011 Champion Hurdle.

If he wins at Cheltenham, all going well he'll run in the Champion Hurdle at Punchestown against Solwhit, Go Native and hopefully Hurricane Fly. Should give us a good idea as to how good he is.

he'll piss all over them all DH, this is the Sea the Stars of the National Hunt

I'd expect so Sammy but heaven forbid he has a bad experience at Cheltenham. Plenty of horses have travelled over the water with massive reputations and came back broken horses. Nick Dundee and Beef Or Salmon are two that spring to mind - never the same after their falls at Prestbury.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 12, 2010, 01:21:27 PM
off to a flyer lads £10 on positivity @8/1  I like the look of Tarquinious today and saltagioo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 12, 2010, 02:15:54 PM
And down went saltagioo    >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 13, 2010, 11:53:13 AM
nothing earth shattering about this but the Nicholls yard are confident of a busy Saturday of winners at Warwick and Newbury - my main bets are Forest Pennant and Takeroc

13Feb10  1:30  Inchidaly Rock NEWBURY (Overnight), toteplacepot Novices' Chase  --
 
13Feb10  1:45  Forest Pennant WARWICK (Overnight), Bet totepool On All UK Racing Novices' Chase  --
 
13Feb10  2:00  Elusive Dream NEWBURY (Overnight), totescoop6 Handicap Hurdle  --
 
13Feb10  2:00  Alfie Sherrin NEWBURY (Overnight), totescoop6 Handicap Hurdle  --
 
13Feb10  2:15  Take The Breeze WARWICK (Overnight), totesport.com Kingmaker Novices' Chase Grade 2  --
 
13Feb10  2:30  Denman NEWBURY (Overnight), Aon Chase Grade 2  --
 
13Feb10  2:30  Tricky Trickster NEWBURY (Overnight), Aon Chase Grade 2  --
 
13Feb10  3:05  Takeroc NEWBURY (Overnight), totesport Trophy Hurdle (Handicap) Grade 3  --
 
13Feb10  3:20  Super Formen WARWICK (Overnight), totesport 0800 221 221 Handicap Chase  --
 
13Feb10  3:40  Master Minded NEWBURY (Overnight), totepool Game Spirit Chase Grade 2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 13, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
Should be an informative day. Can't see a bet on either Warwick or Newbury card though. I can't see either Diamond Harry or Long Run getting beat but they are far too short considering they may not be fully revved up before the festival.

Hopefully Denman goes in comfortably and sets up the Gold Cup. Not sure about Master Minded. I can't see what will beat him today but the market vibes aren't too positive. He'd be 1/5 if they were sure he was back to his form of two years ago. I've had a few bob on Kalahari King for the Champion Chase in case he shortens up if Master Minded is unimpressive.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 13, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
Masterminded looked back to something of his old best today but again wasn't up against much tbh

Think Kauto is now a shoe in for the gold cup@4/5 think this is a fair price aswell can't see Denman coming back from this one as imo it is just one clinch too many and although it was the jumping which cost him today i don't think he was travelling as well as he should have (he would still have pissed up though)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on February 13, 2010, 06:50:25 PM
Denman will win the gold cup. In this, I have no doubt.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 14, 2010, 01:11:24 AM
Ruby has a nice book of rides 2mrw at Navan.Cadspeed and Uimhiraceathair stand out. Osana should win altho I wouldn't like to back against Ruby on Shakervilz either.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 14, 2010, 11:14:10 AM
Really like Osana today at the price. Should be odds-on. He has excellent form at Navan and ran a very respectable race against the best two novice chasers in the land at Christmas. Shakervilz and Major Finnegan aren't in the same league as Sizing Europe and Captain Cee Bee.

Much to ponder after yesterday. Wasn't impressed with Diamond Harry. Can't see why he is so short for the RSA compared to Pandorama who is at least his equal on a line through Mikael D'Haguenet.

Long Run looks a bit of a machine but I fear the jockey will put him on the deck at one of those downhill fences at Cheltenham. He'd only be a betting proposition if Barry Geraghty gets the leg up.

Can't be having Denman at 7/2 for the Gold Cup now. He may have been idling coming to the fourth last but AP was getting serious with him and he wasn't going away from Niche Market and he is no Gold Cup horse. The fall was just one of those things. He stood off a mile and landed in the middle of the fence.

The money came for Master Minded and he looked superb though I'd question the quality of the opposition. Great balance by Ruby to stay aboard after the last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 14, 2010, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: boojangles on February 14, 2010, 01:11:24 AM
Ruby has a nice book of rides 2mrw at Navan.Cadspeed and Uimhiraceathair stand out. Osana should win altho I wouldn't like to back against Ruby on Shakervilz either.

Kerb Appeal wins pulling a plough. Willie/Ruby could well have a four or five timer today. That Cadspeed is a right old hound though. Have backed him once or twice and he always seems to get run out of it when he comes off the bridle. It's a very weak maiden today and he's definitely good enough to win it but I wouldn't back him at a short price Booj.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on February 14, 2010, 03:43:26 PM
Former Novelist and Jockey Dick Francis has died aged 89.  Enjoyed his books but I'd say he is more famous in the horse racing fiel.

Obituary: Dick Francis 


Dick Francis: Successful jockey and author
If it had been a scene in one of his books, it would have been laughed off as too far-fetched.

Devon Loch, ridden by Dick Francis, is leading the 1956 Grand National when, having cleared the final fence, mysteriously bellyflops, thereby depriving its owner, the Queen Mother, of her first and, as it transpired, only National victory.

It was the most extraordinary event in racing history.

The reason for Devon Loch's collapse is still debated. Dick Francis believed the horse was probably overcome by the extraordinary noise of the crowd anticipating a royal win.

"His hind quarters just refused to act for a split second. He brought his forefeet up as if he was jumping. But he wasn't jumping. I was still far enough ahead to have won if I could have got him going but he more or less collapsed again. I just had to walk off in disgust."

Champion jockey

Before becoming a novelist who sold more than 60 million books translated into more than 20 languages, Dick Francis rode 300 winners as a National Hunt jockey.

He was born at Tenby in South Wales in 1920 where his father managed a hunting stable. He was a skilled rider while still in his teens.



Devon Loch's mysterious bellyflop 
He became a pilot during World War II, and then rode as an amateur jockey before turning professional in 1948. He was champion National Hunt jockey in 1953/4, but never won a Grand National.

He retired in 1957 and joined the Sunday Express as racing correspondent, a job he held for 16 years.

In the same year, he wrote his autobiography, The Sport of Queens, which was well received. As a result, he was encouraged to try his hand at novels.

Novel success

His first, Dead Cert, was published in 1962, and he continued to publish one a year almost throughout his life.

Racing was a recurrent theme in them. All were written in the first person, in long hand and all carefully researched.

Forfeit, in 1968, won the Edgar Allan Poe Award, and Whip Hand in 1979 the Golden Dagger Award of the Crime Writers Association. A television series, The Racing Game, was based on his story Odds Against.



Receiving his CBE with wife Mary in 2000
Francis also wrote a biography of Lester Piggot and he gave a copy of each of his books to the Queen Mother with whom he kept in touch throughout her life.

In 1986, Dick Francis moved from his home in Berkshire to Florida. His wife suffered from asthma, and the climate suited her better.

Later, he moved to the Cayman Islands where he rarely missed his morning dip.

In October 1999, Dick Francis's publishers confirmed that his wife made a substantial contribution to the novels.

However the books emerged, they provided readers with plenty of intrigue, but no sex. They were once described as crime novels for gentlefolk.



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread - denman
Post by: Abble on February 15, 2010, 09:28:03 AM
is there a site somewhere that has a link to denmans run there on saturday ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread - denman
Post by: sammymaguire on February 15, 2010, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: Abble on February 15, 2010, 09:28:03 AM
is there a site somewhere that has a link to denmans run there on saturday ?

you'd have to register with Racing UK as ATR would not have coverage of Newbury
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 15, 2010, 10:36:49 AM
Abble dont do it to yourself!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 15, 2010, 11:44:20 AM
Quote from: Silky on February 11, 2010, 01:37:43 PM
Will the board be running a Chelenham competition this year? Who looked after it last year?

I did it for the last couple of years but seeing as I'll actually be there this year :D and don't particularly fancy carrying the laptop around with, someone else will have to take up the reins.

I can dig out the database I used if anyone wants it.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 15, 2010, 01:15:10 PM
DUSKY BOB 5pm only bet today on a poor Monday of racing
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 15, 2010, 04:28:30 PM
Obe brave, 5.10 wolv, get on now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 15, 2010, 05:09:05 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 15, 2010, 01:15:10 PM
DUSKY BOB 5pm only bet today on a poor Monday of racing

good call Sammy!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 15, 2010, 05:12:50 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 15, 2010, 04:28:30 PM
Obe brave, 5.10 wolv, get on now

7/1  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 15, 2010, 05:14:13 PM
Got them both lads sweet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 15, 2010, 05:14:41 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 15, 2010, 04:28:30 PM
Obe brave, 5.10 wolv, get on now

Fair play!! :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 15, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
No probs lads, got strong word,

doubled them up myself
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on February 15, 2010, 05:26:23 PM
Well done lads, small singles on both so happy enough
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 15, 2010, 06:07:48 PM
bollocks!! I missed the 2nd one and had a few bob to spend and all!! well done spirit  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 15, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
Is Cheltenham on St Patrick's week this year?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2010, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 15, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
Is Cheltenham on St Patrick's week this year?

Yep, March 16-19. Patrick's Day falls on Champion Chase day. First time it falls within the festival since the day War Of Attrition won the Gold Cup in 2006.

Quote from: Treasurer on February 15, 2010, 11:44:20 AM
Quote from: Silky on February 11, 2010, 01:37:43 PM
Will the board be running a Chelenham competition this year? Who looked after it last year?

I did it for the last couple of years but seeing as I'll actually be there this year :D and don't particularly fancy carrying the laptop around with, someone else will have to take up the reins.

I can dig out the database I used if anyone wants it.

I'm heading over myself but I'd be willing to run it if needs be. You'd hardly need someone to put up a league table until its over anyway. Its not as if the results are going to change!

Could run it like the ATR tipping challenges - Mythical bank of €100 to bet each day. One selection per race at the official SP. Person who produces the most profit at the end of the week wins.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 16, 2010, 09:19:30 AM
Just to whet the appetite, irishracing.com has every race from last year's Cheltenham in full  here (http://www.irishracing.com/cheltenham2010.html/?cmpid=nwsl_chelthenham)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 16, 2010, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 16, 2010, 09:19:30 AM
Just to whet the appetite, irishracing.com has every race from last year's Cheltenham in full  here (http://www.irishracing.com/cheltenham2010.html/?cmpid=nwsl_chelthenham)

I couldn't bear to look at Ebadiyan again!! :(   
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 16, 2010, 11:14:57 AM
Has anyone got any long term fancies for cheltenham, thinking particularly of the big handicaps.
I see the grand national weights are out this morning. Comply or die at 20/1 ew given that its as good as certain to run and will be aimed at it all year, and he is a safe set of hooves around aintree, might be worth a few bob.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 16, 2010, 11:29:17 AM
I'm in the same boat treasurer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 16, 2010, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 16, 2010, 11:14:57 AM
Has anyone got any long term fancies for cheltenham, thinking particularly of the big handicaps.
I see the grand national weights are out this morning. Comply or die at 20/1 ew given that its as good as certain to run and will be aimed at it all year, and he is a safe set of hooves around aintree, might be worth a few bob.

Normally I'd say he's carrying too much weight, maddog, but last year taught us to look more carefully at relative, rather than absolute weight (as I seem to remember yourself recommending). Only Mon Mome beat him home last year, albeit by 12 lengths and he carries a pound less this year.

He seemed good value at the 7.2 for a place I've taken on Betfair. There's now only €25 available at prices from 4.1 to 5.8, but that'll change.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 16, 2010, 12:21:23 PM
I have heard a lot about Possol as a potential national horse. Anyone any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 16, 2010, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 16, 2010, 12:21:23 PM
I have heard a lot about Possol as a potential national horse. Anyone any thoughts on this?

TRICKY TRICKSTER who won on Sat has been lined up for the National for months  :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 16, 2010, 01:44:55 PM
Love the run up to cheltenham and all the hype flooding around the place (to which some people get carried away) it's really is fascinating to listen to all the pundits throwing their 2 bobs worth into the ring before races only for the race to throw up something completely different as a new star rises from the ashes.

Donnelly that year war of Attrition won was particularly sweet as i had it backed of the board at 7's and was in the pub watching it when it came like a champion there was a little bit of celebarating done that day lol (haven't had as much success since and keep getting on the wrong side of the Gold cup duels with the exception of last year when Denman was fooked.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2010, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 16, 2010, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 16, 2010, 12:21:23 PM
I have heard a lot about Possol as a potential national horse. Anyone any thoughts on this?

TRICKY TRICKSTER who won on Sat has been lined up for the National for months  :-X

Nicholls doesn't know how to train a horse for the National. He is going to run the horse in the Gold Cup now which seems a stupid idea. Cheltenham is a week later this year and the National is on 10 April so I'd safely put a line through Tricky Trickster. He doesn't really stand out to me at the weights either.

Character Building, Maljimar and New Alco are the ones that catch my eye all under the 11 stone mark. All would like quick ground though which isn't guaranteed anymore these days.

I don't think any of the Irish horses are particularly well treated (a sign of things to come for the Cheltenham handicaps no doubt). Follow The Plan is an interesting one on his novice chase form but I don't know if this is the target. Arbor Supreme and Cane Brake would be the only other two that would slightly interest me. War Of Attrition's mark is a joke. His last chase run was in the Hennessy when he was pulled up yet his mark has gone up for his two wins over hurdles! This appears grossly unfair and Mouse is dead right to reroute him to Cheltenham. I can't see Dessie Hughes being too pleased with how Vic Venturi, Black Appalachi or Siegemaster are rated either.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 16, 2010, 02:28:55 PM
Not great racing today but i am going foe a wee £20 double on Flores sea and Catleen i'll leave it at that afterwards
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2010, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on February 16, 2010, 02:28:55 PM
Not great racing today but i am going foe a wee £20 double on Flores sea and Catleen i'll leave it at that afterwards

Dozy jock took the wrong course!  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 16, 2010, 02:55:59 PM
Seen that Donnelly, you would think there are enough factors against the punters without having to worry about the jockies taking the wrong course.

Hoping for a pityful refund  :D :D >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 16, 2010, 03:03:28 PM
Flores sea just pissed up too @11/10
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on February 16, 2010, 03:23:54 PM

Had the same two in a treble with sherando.

Is there any chance of a refund?

Would the horse have won if the jockey had kept on course.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2010, 03:28:44 PM
Still had another circuit of the track to go so it's impossible to tell whether she'd have won or not. She didn't seem to be jumping great to my eyes but she was a useful p2p winner over here so I'd imagine she'd have stayed the 2m6 well in that ground.

If you had her in a treble I'd say you've more than likely done your dough unless you've a very generous bookie who makes her a non-runner and makes your bet a double. Very unlikely I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on February 16, 2010, 03:47:50 PM

i take mr p power wont do that then.

thanks anyway DH. best of luck in cheltenham and with all your bets for the festival.
I am a keen reader of all your posts re horse racing
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2010, 06:08:07 PM
Young apprentice jockey Ronan Lawlor died this morning after an accident on Pat Fahy's gallops down in Carlow.

Puts a few jockeys taking the wrong course into perspective.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam uasal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 16, 2010, 06:17:16 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2010, 06:08:07 PM
Young apprentice jockey Ronan Lawlor died this morning after an accident on Pat Fahy's gallops down in Carlow.

Puts a few jockeys taking the wrong course into perspective.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam uasal.

RIP.Very sad news.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 16, 2010, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2010, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 15, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
Is Cheltenham on St Patrick's week this year?

Yep, March 16-19. Patrick's Day falls on Champion Chase day. First time it falls within the festival since the day War Of Attrition won the Gold Cup in 2006.

Quote from: Treasurer on February 15, 2010, 11:44:20 AM
Quote from: Silky on February 11, 2010, 01:37:43 PM
Will the board be running a Chelenham competition this year? Who looked after it last year?

I did it for the last couple of years but seeing as I'll actually be there this year :D and don't particularly fancy carrying the laptop around with, someone else will have to take up the reins.

I can dig out the database I used if anyone wants it.

I'm heading over myself but I'd be willing to run it if needs be. You'd hardly need someone to put up a league table until its over anyway. Its not as if the results are going to change!

Could run it like the ATR tipping challenges - Mythical bank of €100 to bet each day. One selection per race at the official SP. Person who produces the most profit at the end of the week wins.

Picking a horse for each race might involve a bit too much effort and would probably suit the experts like DH a bit more :P :P
If I remember right Treas,last year we picked 2 selections a day.NAP gets double points. It might be as handy to run it that way. What do the rest think?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on February 16, 2010, 06:29:01 PM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=c695f73bd3fe78b8d748c00365a8c4b9&topic=11518.0

3 named races each day, points scored for 1-4th place, banker/nap scores double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 16, 2010, 06:34:12 PM
I can give a hand at the organising since I'll be stuck at home!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 16, 2010, 08:58:30 PM
I'd say if you picked for every race for the Festivel with your imaginary 100 euro, it gives you more chance of winning more races. More effort put potential for big "winnings" at the end.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2010, 09:14:24 PM
I ran this a few years ago on the board and I have to say it's a pain in the hole!

My rules were 10 pts a day, do what you like with them.

Big mistake.

People started pulling canadians, e/w trixies and 0.25 stakes out of the bag. I'm pretty sure someone complained when they didn't get their one-part-of-a-yankee-bonus. Nobody has enough time in the day to calculate returns on all that for 30-40 folks.

Anyone taking the mantle up this year I'd suggest keeping it to singles only.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on February 16, 2010, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2010, 09:14:24 PM
I ran this a few years ago on the board and I have to say it's a pain in the hole!

My rules were 10 pts a day, do what you like with them.

Big mistake.

People started pulling canadians, e/w trixies and 0.25 stakes out of the bag. I'm pretty sure someone complained when they didn't get their one-part-of-a-yankee-bonus. Nobody has enough time in the day to calculate returns on all that for 30-40 folks.

Anyone taking the mantle up this year I'd suggest keeping it to singles only.


The 10p luckys and the 25p each way patents were great.  You just couldn't keep up with the hard sums :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
I think including all the handicaps would make it even more competitive and level out the playing field given their unpredictable nature.


How about something like this (based on ATR's tipping challenge model):

-> Daily mythical bank of €100 to bet - so €400 over the four days

-> One selection per race - either win single or e/w

-> Participants must select one horse in each race

-> Participants who exceed their €100 bank on an individual day are disqualified

-> Participants can only use their €100 bank on the one day - e.g. no carry over of €20 to Wednesday if you've only bet €80 on Tuesday

-> Only the official SP as published in the Racing Post will be used

-> Place terms: 1/4 the odds in all races - 4 places in races of 16 runners or more, 3 places in races with under 16 runners

-> Winner will be the person who generates the most € profit at the end of the four days


Example of an entry for the Tuesday of last year's festival:

1:30 - Go Native €10 win
2:05 - Forpadydeplasterer €20 win
2:40 - Wichita Lineman €10 win
3:20 - Punjabi €5 e/w
4:00 - Garde Champetre €20 win
4:40 - Quevega €30 win


I'd happily run this if needs be. If people want a different format then we're all ears! I'm over in the Cotswolds for the four days myself but I'd calculate the final table on Saturday 20 March when I get home.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 16, 2010, 10:34:31 PM
good man cheers DH looking forward to it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on February 16, 2010, 10:35:44 PM
I also think DH looks a better option than last years format
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 16, 2010, 10:54:04 PM
Sorry to hear about that young lad does kinda put things into perspective God bless him and may he Rest In Peace.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 16, 2010, 10:55:54 PM
PP didn't refund stakes on the 2:40 decision final. I had a debate with a live helper tonight  >:(, but that's the way it goes. That fantasy horse thing Donnelly looks the the part . Good man.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 16, 2010, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
I think including all the handicaps would make it even more competitive and level out the playing field given their unpredictable nature.


How about something like this (based on ATR's tipping challenge model):

-> Daily mythical bank of €100 to bet - so €400 over the four days

-> One selection per race - either win single or e/w

-> Participants must select one horse in each race

-> Participants who exceed their €100 bank on an individual day are disqualified

-> Participants can only use their €100 bank on the one day - e.g. no carry over of €20 to Wednesday if you've only bet €80 on Tuesday

-> Only the official SP as published in the Racing Post will be used

-> Place terms: 1/4 the odds in all races - 4 places in races of 16 runners or more, 3 places in races with under 16 runners

-> Winner will be the person who generates the most € profit at the end of the four days


Example of an entry for the Tuesday of last year's festival:

1:30 - Go Native €10 win
2:05 - Forpadydeplasterer €20 win
2:40 - Wichita Lineman €10 win
3:20 - Punjabi €5 e/w
4:00 - Garde Champetre €20 win
4:40 - Quevega €30 win


I'd happily run this if needs be. If people want a different format then we're all ears! I'm over in the Cotswolds for the four days myself but I'd calculate the final table on Saturday 20 March when I get home.

Sounds good DH.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 17, 2010, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: souljaboy on February 16, 2010, 10:35:44 PM
I also think DH looks a better option than last years format

Hmph!! Well I tried!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 17, 2010, 03:11:39 PM
gonna chance these two e/w
3.50 Mussleburgh - DOESLESSTHANME
4.00 Lingfield - I CONFESS
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on February 17, 2010, 04:11:33 PM
Good man Sammy, did both to be placed on betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 17, 2010, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on February 17, 2010, 04:11:33 PM
Good man Sammy, did both to be placed on betfair

crossbar is still rattling after those two  :o done them e/w so no harm done
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 17, 2010, 06:22:11 PM
two more e/w shots tonight
6:40 Kempton
Trade Centre @ 8/1 
7:10 Kempton
LHirondelle @ 10/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 17, 2010, 06:39:16 PM
Anyone get on the gamble at punchestown today?Told yas Elliot knows when his horses will run well-makes up for a bit few weeks i've had.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 17, 2010, 07:27:48 PM
Got wind of the gamble early on this morning and got a tenner on it at 8-1. Must have been a hell of a lump of money to send it from 20's to 2-1. Elliot certainly knows how to prime a horse. Carlito Brigante at Christmas is a prime example, he absolutly hacked up that day to beat Alaivan who was odds on that day. Doing very well for himself these days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 17, 2010, 07:32:47 PM
Just wee fancy for tonight.

Bertie Buckle - 7.40 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 17, 2010, 09:12:27 PM
Right lads, I'll post up the Cheltenham tipping challenge rules again before the start of the festival in a thread of its own. Keep an eye out for it.

I was fierce taken with Rite Of Passage today at Punchestown. Already had a few quid on for the 2m5 novice before his maiden hurdle but I think I'll be going in again on him now that he is certain to run. This horse has a serious future and he's with the best dual-purpose trainer in the world.

Puts to bed some of the nonsense I've been reading from some of the English hacks that Dunguib has beaten nothing but trees too.

Btw, nice avatar Catch the high ball. Hopefully we'll see him bound clear up that hill again on the 16 March.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 17, 2010, 09:28:38 PM
When irishracing.com put up the cheltenham feature with all of last years races, I couldnt wait to watch the bumper again and again. Got a few quid on him after he won the bumper at 5-1 and after his hurdle debut at Galway.  English papers were saying that if Pepe Simo met Dunguib he would beat him - he was well beaten in the Christmas Hurdle at Kempton. Now they are saying that Menorah will put it up to him.
TBH I think top Irish Novices like Fionnegas, Rite of Passage etc would hammer any English Novice. One horse I would look out for would definetly be Peddlers Cross in the Supreme Novices (each-way of course).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 18, 2010, 11:07:58 AM
We are arriving into Bristol Airport at 10am the morning of the Gold Cup. What would be the best way to get to the racecourse?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 18, 2010, 11:14:16 AM
Fair play to irishracing.com they've really got their act together over the last couple of years and provide a great service

Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 18, 2010, 11:07:58 AM
We are arriving into Bristol Airport at 10am the morning of the Gold Cup. What would be the best way to get to the racecourse?

This should help: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081203043207AA4jutI
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 18, 2010, 12:13:14 PM
Lucky 31 to pass the day.
20p stake.
Zaynar 1-14 Kelso
Quiscover Fonta 11-10 Clonmel
Balsaflour 5-1 Clonmel
Some Target 1-2 Clonmel
Dare Me 3-1 NAP Ffos Las

Total stake: 6.20
Potential returns: 112.18

And fiver each-way double with Mountain Heather and Whatsabillion at Clonmel. That will keep me interested.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on February 18, 2010, 12:59:20 PM
I would say if you follow Scudamores rides for Pipe today you should do ok. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 18, 2010, 01:08:03 PM
Pandorama still at 14/1 for RSA - ticks all the right boxes in terms of previous winners.  If himself and Capt Cee Bee pull it off I'll be happy no matter what the rest of the week brings.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 18, 2010, 01:16:08 PM
gonna side with these this afternoon

2.10 Kelso TCHIKITA
3:30 Southwell DOUBNOV
4:55 Ffos Llas FUNDAMENTALIST 
5.00 Kelso - TIMARELLO 
5:05 Clonmel COLLS CORNER
5.25 Ffos Las - ODDJOB
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 18, 2010, 01:42:10 PM
Southwell 4.40-way west worth having a second look at ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 18, 2010, 03:31:12 PM
Hell of a shock there at Kelso. If you thought the Champion Hurdle was wide open, it certainly is now with that performance like that. Geraghty was reaching for the whip 2 out. Go Native all the way, would love to see them pick up the £1 million bonus.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2010, 03:32:33 PM
Don't go getting any ideas now Philip after the events up at Kelso. That has me worried.

Just goes to show how poor the 4yos were last year. Mourad, Jumbo Rio or Ebadiyan have only won a few egg and spoon races between them and Walkon hasn't even run since Liverpool last April. I think we'll take the Champion Hurdle this year with either Go Native or Solwhit. Just hope its not Dunguib now with the arse falling out of the Henderson challenge - wouldn't surprise me if Punjabi gets beat at Wincanton on Saturday too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 18, 2010, 03:33:28 PM
I know it's not right to crow after the event, but I have to tell someone - I just laid Zaynar in running at 1.07. Cheltenham bank in place!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on February 18, 2010, 03:35:51 PM
Get out and do some real work Hardy ;) Fair play
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2010, 03:37:11 PM
 :D

What clown took that price off you Hardy?! I thought Barry never looked happy with him. He was giving him a squeeze and a slap down the shoulder four or five out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 18, 2010, 03:43:19 PM
He was 1.08 at the start. I just stuck him in at 1.07, reckoning that even if he walked to the first hurdle he'd come in a little more. 1/14 is a ridiculous price on any horse in any jump race and especially in a race like this, which was effectively a training run, feck all prize money at stake and no skin off anyone's nose if he lost, other than a better price for the Champion Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on February 18, 2010, 03:56:55 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on February 18, 2010, 03:31:12 PM
Hell of a shock there at Kelso. If you thought the Champion Hurdle was wide open, it certainly is now with that performance like that. Geraghty was reaching for the whip 2 out. Go Native all the way, would love to see them pick up the £1 million bonus.

I sure hope so!! In to 4/1 now with PP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on February 18, 2010, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 18, 2010, 01:42:10 PM
Southwell 4.40-way west worth having a second look at ;)

beer baron :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on February 18, 2010, 05:01:10 PM
need rossbeigh in the next at clonmell for a saviour, terrible couple of days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 18, 2010, 05:34:56 PM
The champion hurdle has turned into some puzzle this year. Think I might have a sneaky each way bet on Celestial Halo and leave it at that. As Donnelly says I just hope Fenton doesnt get ideas with Dunguib!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 18, 2010, 05:51:38 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 18, 2010, 05:34:56 PM
The champion hurdle has turned into some puzzle this year. Think I might have a sneaky each way bet on Celestial Halo and leave it at that. As Donnelly says I just hope Fenton doesnt get ideas with Dunguib!

I hope the opposite, from a selfish point of view, though I gather it would be a disaster for DH and yourself. I had a small bet at 42, just in case. I suppose I swallowed the bookies' hype, but you'd be very annoyed if you could have taken 42 and didn't. He's 16 now. Not a big enough bet to bother trading out, though.

You'd imagine Fenton has to be looking at the opposition and thinking there's no reason to fear taking them on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
Mikael D'Haguenet entered up at Fairyhouse next Wednesday in a beginners chase  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
Philip Fenton blog - posted at 4:32pm 18 FEB 2010

It just isn't going to plan

DON'T worry, it's not Dunguib's plan I'm talking about, it's poor old Nicky Henderson's Champion Hurdle chances. What about Zaynar at Kelso? Beaten at 1-14 and, you know,he was labouring coming up to the second-last.

After last year's Cheltenham Festival the team must have been rubbing their hands thinking they had three real chances for this year's Champion Hurdle in the 2009 winner Punjabi, third-placed Binocular and Triumph Hurdle star Zaynar.

Now, sadly, Binocular is out of it and that run at Kelso from Zaynar can hardly fill them with confidence (although the ground was deplorable up there). Still, Punjabi is a very, very goodhorse and I'd be more than happy with just him, so all is not lost.

I was talking to Simon Claisse at Cheltenham the other morning about the ground and he said that the cold spells have left the track with very little growth and the grass is more brown than green.

With a month to recover, this should hopefully be okay come Festival time and, with the meeting being a bit later than last year, the ground might even be good.

Dunguib began riding out again on Monday and has been cantering the last few days. He is fresh and well, thank God, and will probably have a first school back next Thursday.

All he'll do is pop over three flights, although I've a feeling his jumping is not as big a concern as it looked at Leopardstown - he was maybe just too relaxed.

What is a concern is the preliminaries, as he has always been highly strung, so we've discussed putting ear plugs in - probably when he's saddled - and taking them out down at the start to help keep him calm with all the noise that'll be around. The atmosphere for the first race on the first day is very different to that of the last race on the second.

Away from Dunguib, the rest of the team is coasting along nicely, but the past two trips to the track have produced more headaches than joy with Gusda falling on Wednesday and Nova Sila falling at the first in the first race at Clonmel today.

The form of the rest of the string has yet to have a bearing on Dunguib's running, but there's a first time for everything, so I'd really like the others to pull their fingers out in the next few weeks.

Old Charm is one who particularly needs to step up, because if he wins at Naas on Sunday he'll be entrusted with the very important job of defending our Champion Bumper crown.


http://www.racingpost.com/blog/horse-racing/philip-fenton/it-just-isnt-going-to-plan/683539/ (http://www.racingpost.com/blog/horse-racing/philip-fenton/it-just-isnt-going-to-plan/683539/)


First day. First race. Keep up that kind of talk!

Surprised he didn't have anything to say about Johnny Francome thinking the horse had sore shins on last Saturday's Morning Line.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 19, 2010, 10:48:59 AM
my apologies charlie-that was apparently a horse the jockey said would win on the bridle :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 19, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
Mikael D'Haguenet entered up at Fairyhouse next Wednesday in a beginners chase  :o
Can't wait to see if this boyo is as good over fences than he was over hurdles. Hope he makes it to Cheltenham as I put a few quid each way on him for the RSA and Arkle when I seen the entry for next week. The Horse Tracker is some invention.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 19, 2010, 11:29:56 AM
some decent looking chances this afternoon

OCEANS EDGE Ling 2.25
2.15 Sandown - HEEZ A CRACKER/Drumshanbo
4.45 Lingfield - CORRES
5:05 BOB HALL Sandown

shit day, gonna end with Young George Wolv 5.15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 19, 2010, 12:19:43 PM
2nd race at Sandown there is a horse running called Offaly (outsider of the field) Is this the same horse that looked to be half decent in ireland a few years ago ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on February 19, 2010, 12:27:48 PM
Same horse. Probably a spin today as its entered in grand national.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 19, 2010, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: gaa.boy on February 19, 2010, 12:27:48 PM
Same horse. Probably a spin today as its entered in grand national.

It would need a lot of horses to come out to get a run in the national. Think its near enough the lowest one in the weights.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 20, 2010, 02:27:43 PM
Any fancies today lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on February 20, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
no 1 in the 4.15 at f/house
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 20, 2010, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: cookstownblue on February 20, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
no 1 in the 4.15 at f/house

Cheers Cookstown,had a tenner on it. Pissed home.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 20, 2010, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: cookstownblue on February 20, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
no 1 in the 4.15 at f/house

were you listening to tommy and hector this morning on 2FM?  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on February 22, 2010, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 20, 2010, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: cookstownblue on February 20, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
no 1 in the 4.15 at f/house

were you listening to tommy and hector this morning on 2FM?  ;)

lol i knew id be caught, to be honest ive listened to them a few times recently and the "nagmaster" always seems to do alrite, mite be worth following..... anything worth looking at today? Did i hear there are a few meetings cancelled?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 22, 2010, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: cookstownblue on February 22, 2010, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 20, 2010, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: cookstownblue on February 20, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
no 1 in the 4.15 at f/house

were you listening to tommy and hector this morning on 2FM?  ;)

lol i knew id be caught, to be honest ive listened to them a few times recently and the "nagmaster" always seems to do alrite, mite be worth following..... anything worth looking at today? Did i hear there are a few meetings cancelled?

It was a bit of a giveaway when you didn't stick in the name but a winner's a winner!!! I was out and about and never backed it  :-[ just a quick look this morning, Wavertree Warrior might be a decent bet in the 2.55
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on February 22, 2010, 11:36:44 AM
Good to see my neighbours young lad doing well last week in Leopardstown
Promising claimer Keith O'Donoghue was seen to good effect when getting Blazing Tempo home in the mares' handicap hurdle

Plenty of hopes for him

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donegal Danny on February 22, 2010, 12:19:30 PM
Yes young Keith was a firm favourite on the old Flapping scene up here in Donegal the last few years until he went under rules. I backed him last year at Perth when he rode a nice winner for Gordon Elliot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 22, 2010, 12:24:04 PM
Alavian was the most impressive winner at the weekend imo. I backed him ante-post for the trimuph hurdle so Im happy enough with that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on February 22, 2010, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 22, 2010, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: cookstownblue on February 22, 2010, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 20, 2010, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: cookstownblue on February 20, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
no 1 in the 4.15 at f/house

were you listening to tommy and hector this morning on 2FM?  ;)

lol i knew id be caught, to be honest ive listened to them a few times recently and the "nagmaster" always seems to do alrite, mite be worth following..... anything worth looking at today? Did i hear there are a few meetings cancelled?

It was a bit of a giveaway when you didn't stick in the name but a winner's a winner!!! I was out and about and never backed it  :-[ just a quick look this morning, Wavertree Warrior might be a decent bet in the 2.55

You may not be far away, worth a few quid
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 22, 2010, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 22, 2010, 12:24:04 PM
Alavian was the most impressive winner at the weekend imo. I backed him ante-post for the trimuph hurdle so Im happy enough with that.

I'd more or less given up on that bet after the run at Christmas so it's great to be on the antepost favourite now!

Wouldn't be backing him again at the current odds though. I'd worry about him staying on that New Course. Always takes a lot more getting than the 2m1 track on the Old Course that the Champion and the Supreme are ran on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hectorsheroes on February 24, 2010, 10:55:05 AM
Any tips today? Yer man in the newsletter wise owl is never far away
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 24, 2010, 10:58:21 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on February 19, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
Mikael D'Haguenet entered up at Fairyhouse next Wednesday in a beginners chase  :o
Can't wait to see if this boyo is as good over fences than he was over hurdles. Hope he makes it to Cheltenham as I put a few quid each way on him for the RSA and Arkle when I seen the entry for next week. The Horse Tracker is some invention.

Mikael won't be running today but has entries at Navan (Sat) and Leopardstown (Sun) over the weekend, hopefully we get a look at him then
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 24, 2010, 03:13:15 PM
Lad in work got word for West with the Wind. 330 Ludlow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 24, 2010, 03:38:20 PM
Apologies lads, back to the drawing board!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 24, 2010, 03:43:33 PM
4.25 at Lingfield, Prince Charlemagne runs at his favourite course so gonna back that plus I like the look of Hi Dancer in the 4.15 at Doncaster. that might do me for today...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 24, 2010, 04:33:54 PM
Sammy - I'm reporting you to Ziggy the Mod for posting shite tips!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 24, 2010, 08:18:08 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 24, 2010, 04:33:54 PM
Sammy - I'm reporting you to Ziggy the Mod for posting shite tips!  >:(

i'd have been kicked off months ago if that was an offence  :P  ::) you pick a winner tomorrow smart guy  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2010, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: Homer on February 24, 2010, 10:58:21 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on February 19, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
Mikael D'Haguenet entered up at Fairyhouse next Wednesday in a beginners chase  :o
Can't wait to see if this boyo is as good over fences than he was over hurdles. Hope he makes it to Cheltenham as I put a few quid each way on him for the RSA and Arkle when I seen the entry for next week. The Horse Tracker is some invention.

Mikael won't be running today but has entries at Navan (Sat) and Leopardstown (Sun) over the weekend, hopefully we get a look at him then

The Navan race is over 2m4 with the Leopardstown race over the minimum trip. Wouldn't surprise me if he ran at Leopardstown because the ground will probably be better than it will be at Navan and it is a more prestigious race - should provide a better test of his jumping.

If he were to win over two miles on Sunday then you'd have to assume Willie would be looking more at the Arkle rather than the RSA. He is a significantly bigger price for the Arkle but I might have a few bob on to cover some of my Captain Cee Bee bets when the weekend entries come out. That said, there can't be too many Arkle or RSA winners that were yet to see a fence in public near the end of February and I'm not talking about the little Maginot Line things they jump in France.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 25, 2010, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 24, 2010, 08:18:08 PM

i'd have been kicked off months ago if that was an offence  :P  ::) you pick a winner tomorrow smart guy  ;)

Always one to rise to a challenge. I'll go for Quadrillon in the 1.55 at Thurles.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 25, 2010, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 25, 2010, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 24, 2010, 08:18:08 PM

i'd have been kicked off months ago if that was an offence  :P  ::) you pick a winner tomorrow smart guy  ;)

Always one to rise to a challenge. I'll go for Quadrillon in the 1.55 at Thurles.
unplaced lecale... never mind  ::)  ::)

You might get your money back on Good Time Donie 13/8 in the next or Mullins horse Octavian Evs in the bumper always good run for your money with them... Lisdonagh House in the 2.30 is another one worth keeping an eye on, good luck
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 25, 2010, 05:50:12 PM
kempton 8.10 berbice
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on February 25, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 25, 2010, 05:50:12 PM
kempton 8.10 berbice

Tip or fancy???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 25, 2010, 06:37:20 PM
Tip,but you know yourself,nothing's a cert.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on February 25, 2010, 06:48:55 PM
yeah know wat u are saying,good man will give it a go anyway,bita drinking money for the weekend maybe lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 25, 2010, 08:17:52 PM
Good Shout Beer Baron, had 10 each way on it, so covered myself
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 26, 2010, 10:19:21 AM
Well lads, just wondering if u knew if Mikeal D'Heurgent is likely to run in the RSA? I really like the horse and Im thinking of having a few quid on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 26, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Just seen K Fallon has been booked for a ride in the Wednesday Bumper in the festival, Old MCDonald is the horse, currently 25/1, think it won last time out so might be worth a shot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 26, 2010, 10:48:14 AM
Are there many attending the local P2P tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on February 26, 2010, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 26, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Just seen K Fallon has been booked for a ride in the Wednesday Bumper in the festival, Old MCDonald is the horse, currently 25/1, think it won last time out so might be worth a shot.

I just took 20/1 with ladbrokes (tried to get Bet365's 40/1 but it woundn't let me) Seems to be 16s everywhere else.  Could be a good shout!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 26, 2010, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 26, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Just seen K Fallon has been booked for a ride in the Wednesday Bumper in the festival, Old MCDonald is the horse, currently 25/1, think it won last time out so might be worth a shot.

Seen that on the betfair forum alright, could be an interesting booking; Fallon at Cheltenham, defo a head scratcher  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 26, 2010, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 26, 2010, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 26, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Just seen K Fallon has been booked for a ride in the Wednesday Bumper in the festival, Old MCDonald is the horse, currently 25/1, think it won last time out so might be worth a shot.

Seen that on the betfair forum alright, could be an interesting booking; Fallon at Cheltenham, defo a head scratcher  ???

He rode Refinement in the Bumper only a few of years ago, finishing 4th.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on February 26, 2010, 11:20:43 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2010, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: Homer on February 24, 2010, 10:58:21 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on February 19, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
Mikael D'Haguenet entered up at Fairyhouse next Wednesday in a beginners chase  :o
Can't wait to see if this boyo is as good over fences than he was over hurdles. Hope he makes it to Cheltenham as I put a few quid each way on him for the RSA and Arkle when I seen the entry for next week. The Horse Tracker is some invention.

Mikael won't be running today but has entries at Navan (Sat) and Leopardstown (Sun) over the weekend, hopefully we get a look at him then

The Navan race is over 2m4 with the Leopardstown race over the minimum trip. Wouldn't surprise me if he ran at Leopardstown because the ground will probably be better than it will be at Navan and it is a more prestigious race - should provide a better test of his jumping.

If he were to win over two miles on Sunday then you'd have to assume Willie would be looking more at the Arkle rather than the RSA. He is a significantly bigger price for the Arkle but I might have a few bob on to cover some of my Captain Cee Bee bets when the weekend entries come out. That said, there can't be too many Arkle or RSA winners that were yet to see a fence in public near the end of February and I'm not talking about the little Maginot Line things they jump in France.

Mikael D'Haguenet not declared for either race  :(

He will be schooled after racing at Leopardstown on Sunday. Mullins: "There are no plans for him yet and we will see how he gets on at Leopardstown before looking further ahead."

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/mikael-dhaguenet-w-p-mullins-cheltenham-cheltenham-mikael-to-school-at-leopardstown-on-sunday/686142/top/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onlooker on February 26, 2010, 12:24:24 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 26, 2010, 10:48:14 AM
Are there many attending the local P2P tomorrow?
Made the long journey to Armagh 5 or 6 years ago.  Nice venue for a Point to Point.  i won't be there tomorrow though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on February 26, 2010, 12:51:07 PM
I will probably go to p2p tomorrow.  Anyone any tips for it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 26, 2010, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 26, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Just seen K Fallon has been booked for a ride in the Wednesday Bumper in the festival, Old MCDonald is the horse, currently 25/1, think it won last time out so might be worth a shot.

Was well stuffed behind Tavern Times at Fairyhouse (runs Leopardstown Sunday). I very much doubt he'll have improved enough to turn that form around let alone beat Weld's, Mullins' and Al Ferof even with King Kieren's assistance.

Quote from: Homer on February 26, 2010, 11:20:43 AM
Mikael D'Haguenet not declared for either race  :(

He will be schooled after racing at Leopardstown on Sunday. Mullins: "There are no plans for him yet and we will see how he gets on at Leopardstown before looking further ahead."

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/mikael-dhaguenet-w-p-mullins-cheltenham-cheltenham-mikael-to-school-at-leopardstown-on-sunday/686142/top/

I can't believe they're going to persist with this novice chasing idea. Surely Willie would be better off doing what he did with Fiveforthree last year and keep him over timber to protect his novice status for next year. Have a spin round one of the gaff tracks before taking in the Aintree Hurdle and the Stayers at Punchestown. He is only a 6yo so there's no rush with him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on February 26, 2010, 06:55:05 PM
like this love you louis in the 8.10 wolverhampton,any 1 else any fancys??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on February 26, 2010, 07:10:50 PM
Dundalk 8.00 Designated Decoy a fancy not a tip
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on February 27, 2010, 11:30:57 AM
I've had 3 different phone calls from people this morning about Private Be at Kempton today 3.05, went to back it there on Paddy Power and its backed in from 16-1 to 8-1 - think i'll give it a go!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 27, 2010, 11:43:35 AM
benny harp it was given as the pricewise in racingpost and well fancied by some of the morning line crew so i'd say that could be part of the reason for shortening of the price.was going to have an e/w flutter if it was 12's or more but tink ill just stick with the 2 bets i have on so far grey soldier to win and geordan murphy 1st try.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on February 27, 2010, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 27, 2010, 11:43:35 AM
benny harp it was given as the pricewise in racingpost and well fancied by some of the morning line crew so i'd say that could be part of the reason for shortening of the price.was going to have an e/w flutter if it was 12's or more but tink ill just stick with the 2 bets i have on so far grey soldier to win and geordan murphy 1st try.

I havent read any of those this morning - but i'll take your word for it! Just passing on what i heard!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 27, 2010, 01:49:14 PM
i am liking madison du berlais and moreso oedpipe in the 3.05
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 27, 2010, 02:01:05 PM
best of luck to all
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 27, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
I see Pandorama is out of Cheltenham which is a few of my antepost bets down the drain. Pittoni was very disppointing today, it just shows that this years juveniles are very weak and that anybody can beat anybody and the English juveniles are the same.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 28, 2010, 12:42:30 PM
Pandorama out - bollocks!  :-[

Happy enough to take the odds on about Tranquil Sea today. Should have way too much boot for stayers like Snowy Morning and Ballyholland. Really good bumper at Leopardstown. Kiely's mare looked very promising last time out. Unlikey to go to Cheltenham given the trainer's history so I'd say she'll be fairly match fit for today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 28, 2010, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 28, 2010, 12:42:30 PM
Pandorama out - bollocks!  :-[

Happy enough to take the odds on about Tranquil Sea today. Should have way too much boot for stayers like Snowy Morning and Ballyholland. Really good bumper at Leopardstown. Kiely's mare looked very promising last time out. Unlikey to go to Cheltenham given the trainer's history so I'd say she'll be fairly match fit for today.

Tranquil Sea looked good today alright.Kicked away nicely. Was gonna double it with Kielys mare but just done a single on Tranquil. Phew.
Willie Mullins string looks to be really motoring now,probably just in the right time for Cheltenham, Punchestown etc. I think we should take note of a few. Was sick to see Cadspeed who I backed twice previously come home in front finally, as I backed Marlay Park.

Anybody see the racecourse gallops on AtTheRaces after racing at Leopardstown this evening? A few caught the eye including Rare Bob, ForPaddythePlasterer and Mikael Dagenet looked to be going well also altho its hard to see it going for Cheltenham but maybe something later.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 28, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: boojangles on February 28, 2010, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 28, 2010, 12:42:30 PM
Pandorama out - bollocks!  :-[

Happy enough to take the odds on about Tranquil Sea today. Should have way too much boot for stayers like Snowy Morning and Ballyholland. Really good bumper at Leopardstown. Kiely's mare looked very promising last time out. Unlikey to go to Cheltenham given the trainer's history so I'd say she'll be fairly match fit for today.

Tranquil Sea looked good today alright.Kicked away nicely. Was gonna double it with Kielys mare but just done a single on Tranquil. Phew.
Willie Mullins string looks to be really motoring now,probably just in the right time for Cheltenham, Punchestown etc. I think we should take note of a few. Was sick to see Cadspeed who I backed twice previously come home in front finally, as I backed Marlay Park.

Anybody see the racecourse gallops on AtTheRaces after racing at Leopardstown this evening? A few caught the eye including Rare Bob, ForPaddythePlasterer and Mikael Dagenet looked to be going well also altho its hard to see it going for Cheltenham but maybe something later.

Mikael's jumping suggested RSA more than Arkle to me. Looked a bit careful at a few.

I thought Quevega and Cooldine worked well out of Willie's string. Hard to know what to read into these gallops though when you don't know what weights the horses are carrying.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 28, 2010, 07:42:28 PM
I thought the performance by O'Grady's horse in the bumper, absolutley hacked up. Looks maybe like a good bet for the Champion bumper. Also Rare Bob looked good in the schooling after the racing, might be a good each way bet at the festivel.
Did anyone see Darbys Turn at Clonmel?
Absolutley cruising round the final turn, jumped the last, Andrew Lynch shakes him up, no response, whip out, no response, just blew up and the next horse about 4 lengths behind comes through and wins.
Maybe its just me but it looked quite suspicious.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 28, 2010, 11:09:58 PM

Mikael D'Haguenet was the main focus of attention as a group of star names from the Willie Mullins yard went through their paces after racing at Leopardstown.

Yet to jump a fence competitively outside his native France, the six-year-old schooled in the hands of Ruby Walsh and on the whole left connections satisfied ahead of Cheltenham, although no decision has been made on his participation.

Rich Ricci, husband of owner Susannah, said: "I'm happy enough, the engine is definitely still there. His jumping was a bit careful, but we'd rather him be like that than the other way."

Mikael D'Haguenet was last seen in action when winning over hurdles at Punchestown in May and has Festival engagements in the two-mile Irish Independent Arkle Trophy and the three-mile RSA Chase.

Ricci went on: "We will see how he is the next few days and we have always wanted to give him every opportunity to get there (Cheltenham). But we won't do anything to jeopardise the horse as he is a star and a Gold Cup horse in the making.

"We need to balance out the risk with the reward. He is a very exciting horse and we will have to see what happens."

Mullins added: "He was sure-footed, if a little slow and deliberate at one or two. But he is very sure of himself. It was a good piece of work and I'm delighted with him.

"I like the way he finished with J'y Vole. She was very good and will go for the Ryanair now. We will see how Mikael is before making any decision."

The trainer went on: "Of the others, Cooldine was excellent, as were Uimhiraceathair (RSA Chase) and The Midnight Club, although we may stay at home with him - I'll have to speak with the owner.

"Sports Line (Arkle) was very good. He needed that as he has had one or two little setbacks. He will probably do it again. Barker needed it and he may also go somewhere again. He will need some hard work if we are going to make Cheltenham. I was delighted with Quevega (Mares' Hurdle), she seemed quite lit up."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 01, 2010, 11:34:28 AM
Paddy Power offering to refund all losing Win Singles if Dunguib wins the Supreme Novices' Hurdle.

http://www.paddypower.com/racing/cheltenham-betting/supreme-novices-hurdle-betting (http://www.paddypower.com/racing/cheltenham-betting/supreme-novices-hurdle-betting)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2010, 12:06:18 PM
Celtic Bookmakers are already paying out on Dunguib
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 01, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
For those holding ante-post vouchers on Dunguib, would it make sense to throw a few quid on the next few in the betting in the Supreme? If Dunguib wins Paddypower will refund your bets anyhow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2010, 12:24:22 PM
Probably. Oscar Whisky and Blackstairmountain are the two I'll be backing when NRNB comes in. I don't think either are fit to blow smoke up Dunguib's backside but they're the two I'd expect to fight it out in the catastrophic event of a fall for Dunguib.

The Menorah/Belvano form is pants now and I don't think Get Me Out Of Here is anywhere near good enough. I heard a few 'experts' on RUK harping on about how he has won the Schweppes against the older horses and that Dunguib has just been beating the same horses over and over again. They obviously missed him winning hard held against Puyol at Punchestown who went on to win the Pierse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 01, 2010, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2010, 12:24:22 PM
Probably. Oscar Whisky and Blackstairmountain are the two I'll be backing when NRNB comes in......

I'm already on Blackstairs for a place.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 02, 2010, 11:05:59 AM
Any fancies today lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 02, 2010, 11:27:07 AM
Only a theory lads not a tip - however i noticed that the Pipe horse Gaspara was entered for a race at Fontwell at the weekend. It was supposed to be about 12/1 or so. Now this mare rattled up around 5 wins on the trot in the spring of 2007 and as a result was hammered by the handicapper. It has done next to nothing since. It was about 12/1 in paper at Fontwell but when i checked the early price in William hills they had it at 7/2 fav. Next thing it was declared a non runner. Its entered in the 4.40 at Cheltenham on the Friday and is 33/1 with PP and Ladbrokes but Hills cut it into 16/1. The race its entered for is the Martin Pipe conditional jockeys handicap. I smell a rat.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 02, 2010, 01:35:53 PM
That handicap will be devilishly difficult like last year. There's a crazy amount of horses entered for it and I imagine the handicap will be very compressed. Heard some positive noises about Meath All Star from one of the preview nights. Gordon Elliot is at one of the preview nights in Maynooth next week so I'll be interested to hear what he has got to say. Given that he has run at both Ffos Las and Musselburgh the English handicapper might not be as harsh on him as some of the other Irish raiders.

Blazing Bailey should break his duck over fences in the 3:50 at Leicester today. Miles clear of these on hurdles form and there's no improver like Burton Port in the field today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 02, 2010, 03:03:27 PM
i fancy
3.50 Leicester: BENCH WARRANT
LINGFIELD 4.40 ... Aah Haa small E/W @ 33/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 02, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Fouund a good link to watch racing uk and international racing if anyone interested http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 02, 2010, 03:45:37 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 02, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Fouund a good link to watch racing uk and international racing if anyone interested http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx

That is post of the year! I cna see racing in work! Will Cheltenham be shown on this?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 02, 2010, 03:46:42 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 02, 2010, 03:45:37 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 02, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Fouund a good link to watch racing uk and international racing if anyone interested http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx

That is post of the year! I cna see racing in work! Will Cheltenham be shown on this?
There were loads of links for Cheltenham last year Mickey if I recall
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 02, 2010, 03:51:15 PM
This is the first one that has ever worked in work tho. Anything referencing horseracing is usually banned.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 02, 2010, 03:52:16 PM
I aim to please  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 02, 2010, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 02, 2010, 11:27:07 AM
Only a theory lads not a tip - however i noticed that the Pipe horse Gaspara was entered for a race at Fontwell at the weekend. It was supposed to be about 12/1 or so. Now this mare rattled up around 5 wins on the trot in the spring of 2007 and as a result was hammered by the handicapper. It has done next to nothing since. It was about 12/1 in paper at Fontwell but when i checked the early price in William hills they had it at 7/2 fav. Next thing it was declared a non runner. Its entered in the 4.40 at Cheltenham on the Friday and is 33/1 with PP and Ladbrokes but Hills cut it into 16/1. The race its entered for is the Martin Pipe conditional jockeys handicap. I smell a rat.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 02, 2010, 01:35:53 PM
That handicap will be devilishly difficult like last year. There's a crazy amount of horses entered for it and I imagine the handicap will be very compressed. Heard some positive noises about Meath All Star from one of the preview nights. Gordon Elliot is at one of the preview nights in Maynooth next week so I'll be interested to hear what he has got to say. Given that he has run at both Ffos Las and Musselburgh the English handicapper might not be as harsh on him as some of the other Irish raiders.

Blazing Bailey should break his duck over fences in the 3:50 at Leicester today. Miles clear of these on hurdles form and there's no improver like Burton Port in the field today.

Last year, same race, Pipe junior ran no less than 7 horses in a futile attempt to land the race in honour of his father. Best he could manage was 3rd place.

That field also included Gaspara who unseated
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: turk on March 02, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 02, 2010, 03:45:37 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 02, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Fouund a good link to watch racing uk and international racing if anyone interested http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx

That is post of the year! I cna see racing in work! Will Cheltenham be shown on this?

Agreed, heroic stuff!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 03, 2010, 05:12:48 PM
Are master minded and Dunguib worth a £500 double for cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on March 03, 2010, 05:50:58 PM
why only 500  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 03, 2010, 06:04:13 PM
what prices are they?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: only1clansinlurgan on March 03, 2010, 06:20:00 PM
winsam im only letting you know. BLACKSTAIRMOUNTAIN wins the first at cheletenham... get on it at 14-1..  ;) ;)

ruby rode it last day out in ireland in a massive field.. it tanked home.. ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 03, 2010, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: only1clansinlurgan on March 03, 2010, 06:20:00 PM
winsam im only letting you know. BLACKSTAIRMOUNTAIN wins the first at cheletenham... get on it at 14-1..  ;) ;)

ruby rode it last day out in ireland in a massive field.. it tanked home.. ;)

He did indeed tank home. However, that was a maiden hurdle and Dunguib has tanked home in two Grade 1s on the bounce.

If Willie thought he had a realistic chance of beating Dunguib he wouldn't be anywhere near 14/1. I doubt Flat Out would be going for the race either. Decent e/w shout along with Oscar Whisky and may be worth a punt NRNB with PP's money back if Dunguib wins offer. Barring a fall Dunguib wins hard held though.

I'd be a bit sceptical about Master Minded. He looked impressive at Newbury but I'd question the oppostition he was up against. If there's anything still niggling him the likes of Kalahari King will expose it. I think this is a far better renewal than the last two and I wouldn't be mad keen on him at odds on.

Have your single monkey on Dunguib and then play up your winnings for the rest of the week would be my advice.

There's always at least one or two hotpots turned over every year at Cheltenham. Just look at last year's festival - Kasbah Bliss 10/11, Voy Por Ustedes 4/5 and Binocular 6/4 all chinned. Of the four this year Dunguib, Master Minded, Big Bucks and Kauto Star - at least one will probably get beat. For me Big Bucks would be the most likely candidate. His lazy run style leaves him vulnerable to a closer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: only1clansinlurgan on March 03, 2010, 10:22:51 PM
100% right donnellys.. i just dont understand y hes kept blackstairmountain from meetin dunguib in ireland so far this year..  cousin vinny ran well in ireland last year an blew up at cheltenham last year wen facied. dunguib has follow the same route as vinny...

btw its only my opinion in this big field..  :-X :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 03, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
Cousin Vinny had already been beaten twice over hurdles before Cheltenham last year and won a poor renewal of the bumper. Dunguib is a totally different kettle of cod.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 04, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
I have made my mind up, my original bet for Cheltenham will be a £10 yankee.

Dunguib
Master Minded
Garde Champatre
Kauto Star

Will pay about 750 IF all win.  One of them will prob let me down so i will get money back hopefully
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 04, 2010, 10:25:52 AM
Forgive my ignorance, is a yankee the same as a lucky 15?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 04, 2010, 10:37:16 AM
similar.

Lucky 15 is obviously 15 bets.

Yankee is 11, lucky 15 without the four singles.

Therefor you need 2 to come in before you get anything back
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 04, 2010, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: armagho9 on March 04, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
I have made my mind up, my original bet for Cheltenham will be a £10 yankee.

Dunguib
Master Minded
Garde Champatre
Kauto Star

Will pay about 750 IF all win.  One of them will prob let me down so i will get money back hopefully

Dont think there would be much mileage in getting that bet on early as i cant see the prices being madly different say by the monday of Cheltenham week. At least by then you would be sure they are all running, injuries, going concerns etc. If its soft and Denmans fit i think Kauto will get done.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 04, 2010, 12:16:29 PM
Yeah, i think i will hold out to the monday.  They expect the ground to be good-soft, good in places (not that that the weather forecast is very reliable).  I just cant see Denman winning, has not got close to 2008 level.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 04, 2010, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on March 04, 2010, 12:16:29 PM
Yeah, i think i will hold out to the monday.  They expect the ground to be good-soft, good in places (not that that the weather forecast is very reliable).  I just cant see Denman winning, has not got close to 2008 level.

You must have missed the Hennessy then. One of the best weight carrying performances you are likely to see. I don't know if he will beat Kauto but he is definitely still a serious contender.

With the Non-Runner No bet kicking in Im chancing a few horses that I think will be alot shorter on the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 04, 2010, 03:50:33 PM
No seen the Hennessy.  Still think he is a great horse but i dont think he has run a race since like the 2008 Gold Cup where he completely destroyed Kauto.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 04, 2010, 08:34:12 PM
Quote from: Family guy on March 03, 2010, 05:50:58 PM
why only 500  ???

Well 500 on the two bankers and then the rest of the saving on a few fancies.

Good advice Donnelly i was having doubts myself about Master minded, thinks Dunguib will hack up can't see anything beating it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 04, 2010, 08:48:03 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on March 04, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
I have made my mind up, my original bet for Cheltenham will be a £10 yankee.

Dunguib
Master Minded
Garde Champatre
Kauto Star

Will pay about 750 IF all win.  One of them will prob let me down so i will get money back hopefully


Garde Champetre could get turned over this year by l'ami ???
I fancy Kauto and Dunguib big time. Master minded is a wee doubt but it's as a low risk enough bet as betting goes lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 04, 2010, 08:57:26 PM
L'Ami has had a wind-op and will be in receipt of 8lbs from GC this year. He was getting 4lbs last year and was only beat a length and a half so strictly on the book he should turn that form around. Not sure you can apply the normal handicap thought process to this race though. I'd have reservations about the form of Enda's horses but he has only been running a few rags since his last winner on Valentine's Day so it's difficult to judge.

If I was putting on a multiple for the festival I'd have Quevega before Garde Champetre. I don't think Voler La Vedette is as stout a stayer and if she were mine she'd be running in the Champion Hurdle because she looks all speed. Murphy has said she could be trained for the Champion next year but sure you'll probably have Dunguib and Hurricane Fly going as well so I can't really see the logic in that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 05, 2010, 12:53:57 PM
DONCASTER 3:10 MARES NH NOVICE 2m 3f 110yds
Diavoleria @ 14/1 (GP)
looks a decent e/w shot at the price
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 05, 2010, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on March 04, 2010, 03:50:33 PM
No seen the Hennessy.  Still think he is a great horse but i dont think he has run a race since like the 2008 Gold Cup where he completely destroyed Kauto.

Thing is if he is back to his best and ground has soft in the title he will beat kauto. IMHO - which is probably totally wrong
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 05, 2010, 01:32:01 PM
I think it would be well worth trying a visor on Denman á la See More Business. Can't believe they haven't tried it yet. Look at what cheekpieces have done for War Of Attrition in the past few months.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2010, 01:39:43 PM
Paddy Power's festival special.

Supreme Novices Hurdle
Money-Back Special
We'll refund all losing Win Singles if Dunguib wins the Supreme Novices' Hurdle.


That's basically a free bet on any horse in the race.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on March 05, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 05, 2010, 12:53:57 PM
DONCASTER 3:10 MARES NH NOVICE 2m 3f 110yds
Diavoleria @ 14/1 (GP)
looks a decent e/w shot at the price

Tip or fancy Sammy???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 05, 2010, 03:18:15 PM
Sammy u legend!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on March 05, 2010, 03:18:32 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 05, 2010, 12:53:57 PM
DONCASTER 3:10 MARES NH NOVICE 2m 3f 110yds
Diavoleria @ 14/1 (GP)
looks a decent e/w shot at the price

good man Sammy, I will be spending fcuk all of my money in mulligans tonight, its all PaddyPowers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 05, 2010, 03:24:49 PM
SAMMY

You are a God among Gods

I had a nice sam e/w at 33/1 (how did it slip from 16s to 33s). Powers offered best price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 05, 2010, 03:29:54 PM
cheers lads, it was a fancy not a tip so a nice few spends in time for Chelters on that back of that!!  :-*

Cheers Mr O'Regan  ;) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/21/article-0-03217CFC000005DC-793_468x366.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Big Zeb on March 05, 2010, 03:33:25 PM
long time onlooker and have had a few wins from your fancies sammy keep them comming

have you got any for the weekend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hectorsheroes on March 05, 2010, 03:46:09 PM
F***** top stuff, only had a quid e/w and only checked there now and up over £40. Great stuff Sammy!!

McCoy will be raging - he was second on a 5/6 shot, he'll win something later anyway out of rage as much as anything!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shrek on March 05, 2010, 03:53:13 PM
Get in there my son

nice shout Sammy

had £25 ew - will have a nice weekend on that one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on March 05, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
I am sick!!! Lost track of time and never done it >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 05, 2010, 06:35:16 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 05, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
I am sick!!! Lost track of time and never done it >:( >:(

As usual with Sammys tips I didnt indulge.Had a look but forgot about it. I can never seem to get Sammys tips right >:( Had a good day all the same tho.
Done my early bets for Cheltenham today.I never took DHs advice to back Dunguib all those months ago so I don't see the point on backing it now until the day.
Still some great value though with ForPadydeplasterer at 14s, Shinrock Paddy at 25s, Weird Al at 11s,Imperial Commander at 12s.
I see the Ryanair as a 2 horse race but Im not abandoning Tranquil Sea now. 4-1 is all I could get. Fearful of Poquelin tho.

Really looking forward to this festival.Some cracking races in store. Check out the attheraces website,it has a brilliant run down of each race with trends,stats etc.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 06, 2010, 09:45:14 AM
5.30 Rock On Ruby - R Walsh   P F Nicholls. Worth a punt?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 06, 2010, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 06, 2010, 09:45:14 AM
5.30 Rock On Ruby - R Walsh   P F Nicholls. Worth a punt?

Hobbs horse is well fancied.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on March 06, 2010, 11:47:22 AM
Just got a txt from a good source saying (cucumber run in the 4.00 doncaster,its out to win,been waitinig on this a rite wile) up to yous wat yous want to do with that
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 06, 2010, 07:35:00 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 06, 2010, 09:45:14 AM
5.30 Rock On Ruby - R Walsh   P F Nicholls. Worth a punt?

picking a name can be as good as anything at times
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 06, 2010, 08:18:06 PM
Yip  ;) £40 better off because of it! BTW it wasn't just the name. He beat his main rival in this race last time out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 06, 2010, 09:25:08 PM
Good card at Nás na Ríogh tomorrow to top up the Cheltenham bank.

Rare Bob worked the house down at Leopardstown last week and looks potentially well treated off 154 for the Leinster National. I'd be very interested in his chances if he is 2/1 or bigger. Zaarito will be a much shorter price for the novice chase but he is a class above these rivals having chased home the mighty Captain Cee Bee at this track in December. IF he jumps round (has already fallen three times over fences) he should oblige. Might be one to back with Paddy Power's Faller Insurance offer.

Anyone else see Field Lieutenant in the bumper at Gowran today? Looks a serious horse - the new War Of Attrition?  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 07, 2010, 11:21:35 AM
Sublimity out of the champion  :( Hopefuly get to see him again at some stage.Hard luck to hennessy and his crew.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 07, 2010, 01:16:56 PM
Oscars Well in the bumper at Naas
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 08, 2010, 12:37:02 PM
Totesport are offering evens on Dunguib until 1pm NRNB if anyone is interested
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 08, 2010, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 08, 2010, 12:37:02 PM
Totesport are offering evens on Dunguib until 1pm NRNB if anyone is interested


I am now angela rippin as i have only seen this now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 08, 2010, 01:46:43 PM
Solwhit a serious doubt for the Champion Hurdle after scoping dirty

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/cheltenham-festival-cheltenham-champion-hurdle-champion-fancy-solwhits-bid-in-serious-doubt/689527/top/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 08, 2010, 01:50:26 PM
The cynic in me thinks this is a bit of codology out of the Byrnes yard given their history. Probably wants to get a big price about him á la Fargo Boyle in the Craggy Island King Of The Sheep!

Dunguib's price for the Champion Hurdle is tumbling though. Shorter than Solwhit and Binocular on Betfair a while ago.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 08, 2010, 02:06:09 PM
Aye, was thinking something similar. Wouldn't be getting carried away with anything myself.

Solwhit hit 40's on Betfair for a while (currrently sits at 16.0).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 08, 2010, 02:12:54 PM
Russell has been quick to play down his chances at all the preview nights as well. I'd be confident he'll line up in 8 days time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 08, 2010, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 08, 2010, 01:50:26 PM
The cynic in me thinks this is a bit of codology out of the Byrnes yard given their history. Probably wants to get a big price about him á la Fargo Boyle in the Craggy Island King Of The Sheep!

Dunguib's price for the Champion Hurdle is tumbling though. Shorter than Solwhit and Binocular on Betfair a while ago.

You a worried man DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 08, 2010, 02:27:58 PM
Not really TAM because I've already covered myself with a few Champion Hurdle bets. I'll still lose fairly hefty even if he wins the CH but I doubt he'll run in it anyway. There'll be too big a backlash from punters and I'm not sure if the horse is even up to that level yet - he hasn't been off the bridle over hurdles yet and there's no way he could win a Champion Hurdle hard held no matter how good he is.

Fenton is at the preview night in Salthill tonight and I'm sure he'll confirm again that he'll stick to the novice route. I think he considers Go Native more of a threat than Solwhit anyway though Meade won't be too pleased to hear talk of watering the track already.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 08, 2010, 03:14:49 PM
afternoon flutter,

Orange Rip,
Total impact
Magnetic pole
Bubbly braveheart

yankee
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 08, 2010, 04:04:16 PM
Panic over  ;D

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/cheltenham-supreme-novices-cheltenham-festival-dunguib-team-not-tempted-into-champion-bid/689558/top/ (http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/cheltenham-supreme-novices-cheltenham-festival-dunguib-team-not-tempted-into-champion-bid/689558/top/)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 09, 2010, 12:48:21 PM
not tips just two i like the look of today

Salontyre ew in 3.00 Exeter

Over the Creek  ew 3.30 Exeter
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
Got a tip for a horse running today called "Not Talking". Dunno anything about it but our old poster Nail Loney gave me it there...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2010, 02:30:03 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
Got a tip for a horse running today called "Not Talking". Dunno anything about it but our old poster Nail Loney gave me it there...

2.50 at Newcastle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 09, 2010, 02:30:03 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
Got a tip for a horse running today called "Not Talking". Dunno anything about it but our old poster Nail Loney gave me it there...

2.50 at Newcastle.

Correct sir...i just looked at it there on PP and can't understand why anyone would tip that mule ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2010, 02:37:22 PM
Somebody has been taking a nip at it, 7/2 from 6/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 09, 2010, 02:37:22 PM
Somebody has been taking a nip at it, 7/2 from 6/1.

aye i noticed that too but it's from is stinking :D. Anyway i only have a £10er on it so not the end of the world :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2010, 02:46:12 PM
Now 5/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 09, 2010, 02:46:12 PM
Now 5/2

wish i was on Mr Pete instead :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on March 09, 2010, 02:56:01 PM
Always the way,the bookies making some money this past few weeks in the build up to cheltenham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: Family guy on March 09, 2010, 02:56:01 PM
Always the way,the bookies making some money this past few weeks in the build up to cheltenham

Correct...i listened to it on PP and them guys both tipped Mr Pete :'( and thats where my money would have been if i'd have been on line...bastids
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 09, 2010, 03:12:04 PM
Suppose you are going to blaim me on not telling about Mr Pete either saan  ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 09, 2010, 03:14:44 PM
The young lad on it didn't give it the best ride. No surprise from a 10lb claimer probably having one of his first few rides in public.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 09, 2010, 03:12:04 PM
Suppose you are going to blaim me on not telling about Mr Pete either saan  ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;)

Correct...stick it saan where the sun don't shine :-*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 09, 2010, 04:42:51 PM
Got word for Bold Diva 5.10 at Southwell, don't go too mad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on March 09, 2010, 05:12:36 PM
you rooster
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 05:23:08 PM
Fair play to ya Doogie
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 09, 2010, 05:26:54 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2010, 05:23:08 PM
Fair play to ya Doogie
No bother saan  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 10, 2010, 10:04:40 AM
Cheers Doogie. I had forgotten I had slapped a few bob on here!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 10, 2010, 10:21:41 AM
Tips are going rightly at the minute on here lads, but I was in the bookies the other day and this elder gentleman tried to tip me a horse for Cheltenham, although I politely listened to his info, I just cant think there can be much tips for the festival, surely every single trainer/owner is trying to do their utmost to win thus leading to plenty of claims ''my horse is flying at tne minute, we're in with a great chance''
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 10, 2010, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 10, 2010, 10:21:41 AM
Tips are going rightly at the minute on here lads, but I was in the bookies the other day and this elder gentleman tried to tip me a horse for Cheltenham, although I politely listened to his info, I just cant think there can be much tips for the festival, surely every single trainer/owner is trying to do their utmost to win thus leading to plenty of claims ''my horse is flying at tne minute, we're in with a great chance''

Out of curiosity, what was the horse?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 10, 2010, 10:43:27 AM
Always have to laugh at some of the comments made by lads who frequent bookies shops. Fella telling me he got a tip for Portman Park. Then there are lads bring u over to show u the paper where they marked a winner after it had run  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 10, 2010, 11:32:05 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 10, 2010, 10:43:27 AM
Always have to laugh at some of the comments made by lads who frequent bookies shops. Fella telling me he got a tip for Portman Park. Then there are lads bring u over to show u the paper where they marked a winner after it had run  ;D

lol every bookies has one
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on March 10, 2010, 12:56:13 PM
Any word on anything today lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2010, 05:58:36 PM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=15685.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=15685.0)

We're off folks, happy punting!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 10, 2010, 06:15:33 PM
get in, nice one DH!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 10, 2010, 10:29:56 PM
Uimhiraceathair out now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenmachine on March 11, 2010, 08:56:37 AM
Got a call this morning about Fiery Oscar in the 3.40 (I think) at Clonmel this afternoon.  Apparently worth a flutter...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 09:29:10 AM
cheers screen, will have a gander at that one later on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 11, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
Some may remember this from the old Cheltenham 2008 thread - Barney Curley, a couple of weeks before the festival.

Quote from: Homer on February 27, 2008, 05:08:47 PM
I see the bookies are sending out for more cash after the last winner in Southwell

4.50 Southwell.

The Bonus Ball
A P Stringer Paul Moloney 25/1 14/1 8/1 5/1 7/2 2/1

Barney had his money down!

Well Barney could be in the hunt for more Chelt swag this year...

B J Curley entries
11Mar10    7:00    Me Fein  WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 8
11Mar10    8:00    Aviso WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 13/2
16Mar10    3:35    The Bonus Ball SEDGEFIELD (Five Day)

Worth keeping on eye on the market today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maroon Heaven on March 11, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Anyone got any notes of Sean Graham's night on Monday

Didn't get to go this year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 11, 2010, 11:24:49 AM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on March 11, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Anyone got any notes of Sean Graham's night on Monday

Didn't get to go this year

I was at it - have the notes at home - will put them up on the board at some stage. Decent summary in yesterday's Irish News.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 11, 2010, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on March 11, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Anyone got any notes of Sean Graham's night on Monday

Didn't get to go this year
From an email I was sent yesterday


Sean Graham Cheltenham Preview Night, Europa Hotel, Belfast, 8th March

The night was comprised of a panel well known faces from the racing industry giving their thoughts on 10 of the leading races at the Festival and at the end where asked to give their nap of the meeting and their best outsiders. Unfortunately there wasn't an opportunity for Q&A at the end. It was a fairly raucous affair and sometimes hard to hear, but this is what I remember from it.

Panel:

Tony O'Hehir (TOH): RTE and Racing Post – compere for the evening.

Matt Chapman (MC): At The Races and all round loudmouth.

Colm Murphy (CM): Irish Trainer of Brave Inca. Big Zeb and Voler La Vodette are main Cheltenham hopes.

Andrew Lynch (AL): Stable jockey to Henry de Bromhead and Jim Dreaper. Will ride Sizing Europe.

Dave Nevison (DN): Professional punter and tipster on Racing UK.

Gary O'Brien (GOB): ATR Irish presenter.

Ronan Graham (RG) and Brian Graham (BG) of Sean Graham's bookmakers. Brian was on the the panel for the 1st half and Ronan for the 2nd.


Supreme Novices

As expected, most talk revolved around Dunguib. DN said as punter, he couldn't have him at odds on. Factors sited were: an inexperienced jockey; suspect jumping; and weakness of form. As an alternative, he picked Get Me Out Of Here e/w as he was impressed by his win in the Tote Gold Trophy, as was GOB. BG agreed and doesn't mind taking on Dunguib, but believes him to be a fair enough price. MC typically went against the grain and reckoned it would be Dunguib all the way. GOB and AL mentioned Blackstairmountain as another e/w alternative.




Arkle


AL, in talking about Sizing Europe, referred to his win at Leopardstown when Captain Cee Bee fell when looking like winning, and said that Sizing Europe was below his best on that day. He said he had schooled it that day and was very happy with it. MC was unsure about Sizing Europe. He likes Somersby, but joked about Henrietta Knight's habit of rarely racing her horses and wondered if it was planning its own escape from its paddock to attend the meeting. He said he was unsure if it is really good enough, and the same with Riverside Theatre. He thinks Captain Cee Bee is the best horse in the race but has slight concerns about his jumping. CM can't see past Captain Cee Bee, with Somersby next best. GOB said if this race was over hurdles rather than fences, Captain Cee Bee would be Evens, but that said he would still back him. He revealed he had spoken to Andrew MacNamara, who had ridden both Captain Cee Bee and Sizing Europe and said that Captain Cee Bee is the better horse. (Andrew Mac also highly rates Tranquil Sea for the Ryanair). BG said jumping is a concern for Captain Cee Bee and mentioned he had burst a blood vessel racing at Aintree and took this as a bad sign. GOB picked up on this and said in his experience, it didn't matter as it was only a problem if it happened in consecutive races and he had raced since without any problems. BG said that Paul Nicholls didn't rate the form of Somersby's Sandown win at all (PN had the 2nd place in that race). He suggested Riverside Theatre as his e/w pick. DN said there were question marks about all the main contenders, so would to look to outsiders. He picked French Opera as a NRNB bet (although admitted it was very unlikely to run), along with Kangaroo Court e/w, if the ground was good.





Champion Hurdle



All agreed this race was wide open. DN had no big view and reckoned any of the leading 7 in the betting could take this. He said that Go Native represents no value – the Fighting Fifth form is no good, nor the Kempton Xmas Hurdle. His selections are, in no order, Khyber Kim, Medermit and Punjabi. The remainder said they would have been on Solwhit, but not any more and doubt he'll run. CM agreed it's wide open and said there are question marks over Go Native, he offered Punjabi e/w as his selection.  BG said he had doubts about Zaynar and reckons Go Native is best choice. GOB didn't think Go Native can win. He offered Punjabi e/w as his pick. AL reckons Khyber Kim is only a good handicapper, and that Go Native would have the best toe of the hold-up horses. MC went on a lengthy rant about Go Native and all of Noel Meade's hurdlers, calling them "dogs" who lacked bottle and ran out of steam, comparing him to Harchibald, Ifraaj and Muirhead. He said Khyber Kim had done nothing wrong, but wasn't good enough, same with Medermit and Zaynar is too slow. He pointed out the predominance of hold-up horses, particularly in the betting and lack of true front running contenders. For this reason, he reckoned Celestial Halo e/w had a chance if he got into a position where he gave the others too much to do.





Neptune Novices' Hurdle



BG reckoned that Rite of Passage is too short in price and stated worries over its' hurdling and the form of its' races. He offered Peddlers Cross as his pick. MC would also take on Rite of Passage and wasn't impressed by Finian's Rainbow's jumping. He thought Peddlers Cross might make a better chaser and went for Reve de Sivola for this. AL also thought Rite of Passage is too short and went for Quel Espirit, particularly if the ground was soft and also likes Peddlers Cross. GOB said Rite of Passage is too short, likes the chances of Quantitiveeasing, but opted for Quel Espirit. He revealed that Patrick Mullins has said that this is his banker of the meeting. CM said that Willie Mullins is very taken with Quel Espirit and always has a glint in his eye when talking about him. He also said that Barry Geraghty is very keen on Finians Rainbow and thinks its one of his best chances for a winner. BG advised to watch the market on Quel Espirit – every time it has won, it was preceded by strong market support. DN said that Quantitiveeasing has a good handicap mark and is worth backing if going in one of them. He thinks Rite of Passage has a good chance in this.





RSA Chase



DN said that Punchestowns is a great NRNB bet. He said that Long Run won't finish and Weird Al isn't good enough. AL reckons that Uimhiraceathair is the best of the Irish, ahead of Weapon's Amnesty, but that Punchestowns is best of all. GOB thinks that Uimhiraceathair might placethat it's between Punchestowns and Long Run, with the former being best value if it turns up. He doesn't fancy Diamond Harry at all and said that Weapon's Amnesty isn't a good enough jumper. CM is a fan of Punchestowns. He reckons that Weapon's Amnesty is improving and could be an e/w shot. A concern though is that it is a stablemate of Solwhit and could be infected if there's a bug going round. BG pointed out that Long Run has only won on softish ground and said to keep an eye on this. He offered Weapon's Amnesty e/w as his pick. MC revealed that he has spoken to the previous French trainer of Long Run, and he was concerned about the inexperienced jockey Sam Waley-Cohen. The trainer thinks that currently with SWC on board, 2 miles is too short and 3 miles too long – as he won't be settled enough over the early fences. MC goes for Punchestowns. He reckons people are looking too much into Weapon's Amnesty's win at the festival last year over hurdles.





Champion Chase



CM stated that Big Zeb has prepared very well. DN thinks that Master Minded is too short and hasn't shown he's back to his best and says he will be taking it on. RG agrees and thinks it will drift out to Evens and says it's his Bismarck. He thinks Kalahari King e/w is the bet of the meeting. AL agreed with this. GOB wasn't sure about Master Minded either and went for Golden Silver e/w in betting without the favourite market. MC disagreed with this and said Master Minded's superior jumping would see him home.





Champion Bumper



Not a lot of conviction from the panel about this. TOH said that Willie Mullins thinks there's a lot of similarities between Bishopsfurze and Cousin Vinny. RG can't tell between the 2 Dermot Weld horses at the head of the market, but reckons one will be backed in ahead of the other. Elegant Concorde is his speculative pick, but nominates Megastar as an outsider with a chance. He also said there had been heavy recent support for Drumbaloo, whose trainer James Lambe was in the audience. J Lambe was reluctant to give too much away, but when pressed said he thought it had a chance. GOB likes Elegant Concorde, but nominated Frawley as a good e/w chance. He says it's from a very shrewd yard and that top Irish amateur jockey Derek O'Connor reckons it's a good bet. AL nominated Bishopsfurze and Al Ferof as possibilities. MC rated Shot From The Hip's recent win, but admitted to having no real idea. DN said he won't be getting involved but that there's nothing in Engalnd that will win. CM said Shot From The Hip gave a great performance last time out but has concerns about the jockey (JP Magnier) and his fitness – he has had few rides lately. He also likes Drumbaloo.





World Hurdle



DN said he would take on Big Bucks. He thinks it's the best horse but the price is unattractive and would take Tidal Bay e/w, despite its suspicious head carriage. MC thinks that very few truly stay this trip and goes for Big Bucks. He thinks there is no way that Tidal Bay can improve past Big Bucks at their respective ages. GOB says Big Bucks on form is unbeatable. Regarding War of Attrition, he said that its jockey Davy Russell thinks that it could place, but GOB doesn't think so. His bet would be Sentry Duty e/w or in the betting without the favourite market. AL thinks Big Bucks is a certainty, as did CM, and thinks that Powerstation could place again. MC agreed with this. RG doesn't think that Big Bucks will be any better than 8/13 and will probably tighten as it will be so hard to beat.





Triumph



Most of the panel stated this was a hard one to unravel. GOB is worried that Secant Star mightn't be fit, so goes for Westlin Winds e/w despite being concerned about it having an amateur jockey. AL thinks that Alaivan is better than Carlito Brigante and that their previous clash can be ignored. He rates Secant Star as best of the Irish though. CM revealed that Davy Russell doesn't rate Carlito Brigante – and he's his jockey!! He thinks Secant Star jumps hurdles too big, like a chaser. DN nominated Notus De La Tour, even though it mightn't run. He said Me Voici won't run as he needs heavy ground. RG said it's wide open – Alaivan can be good or terrible, Carlito Brigante has done nothing wrong and Advisor's form doesn't hold up. MC said it's a guessing game, but plumps for Secant Star with a NRNB bet on Me Voici if he runs in heavy.





Gold Cup



MC thinks Denman will gallop Kauto Star out of his comfort zone like 2008.  AL goes for Kauto Star, mentioning that Niche Market managed to go with Denman Newbury even before his fall and if he can do that, so can Kauto Star. CM goes for Kauto Star, but thinks Cooldine can get placed. GOB think Denman is a good e/w bet. DN thinks that Tricky Trickster e/w and without the favs is the bet of the meeting, and that it will also win the Grand National. RG says that a Kauto Star win will be a big loss to them, and that it probably won't get any better in price from 8/11, whilst Denman will continue to drift. He doesn't think Cooldine is good enough and that Imperial Commander has better e/w claims.







Naps



MC – The Hollinell (Jewson)

AL – Kalahari King (Champion Chase)

GOB – Captain Cee Bee (Arkle)

RG - Kalahari King (Champion Chase)

CM - Captain Cee Bee (Arkle)



Best Outsiders



AL – Bertie's Dream (Albert Bartlett)

GOB – Frawley (Bumper); China Rock (Jewson)

RG – Clan Tara (4 mile chase)

DN – Something Wells

CM – Scotsirish (Ryanair)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 11:42:53 AM
Doogie, that's decent of you  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on March 11, 2010, 12:14:55 PM
Who did Dave Nevison tip?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maroon Heaven on March 11, 2010, 12:32:25 PM
Thanks Doogie
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 01:31:18 PM
magic glade 4 30 south good e/w today 20/1
also happy milly at clonmel in the 2.35 6/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 11, 2010, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 11, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
B J Curley entries
11Mar10    7:00    Me Fein  WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 8
11Mar10    8:00    Aviso WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 13/2

Both horses now NRs.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 11, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 01:31:18 PM
magic glade 4 30 south good e/w today 20/1
also happy milly at clonmel in the 2.35 6/1
[/quote


Happy milly come like a train but the jockey left him to much to do, let ruby to far ahead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 11, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 01:31:18 PM
magic glade 4 30 south good e/w today 20/1
also happy milly at clonmel in the 2.35 6/1
[/quote

Happy milly come like a train but the jockey left him to much to do, let ruby to far ahead.


yeah bit annoyed with Russell on that ride but still 2nd at 8/1, no harm done
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 11, 2010, 03:16:04 PM
I did two £5 straight bets and a £10 ew double, so I'm hoping the other lag at least runs into a place
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on March 11, 2010, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on March 11, 2010, 08:56:37 AM
Got a call this morning about Fiery Oscar in the 3.40 (I think) at Clonmel this afternoon.  Apparently worth a flutter...

Currently 14.5 on Betfair
Drifting like fcuk..........
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: full back on March 11, 2010, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on March 11, 2010, 08:56:37 AM
Got a call this morning about Fiery Oscar in the 3.40 (I think) at Clonmel this afternoon.  Apparently worth a flutter...

Currently 14.5 on Betfair
Drifting like fcuk..........

not today for Fiery Oscar, unlucky
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 03:59:29 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 01:31:18 PM
magic glade 4 30 south good e/w today 20/1
also happy milly at clonmel in the 2.35 6/1

Magic Glade, n/r now  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 11, 2010, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 03:59:29 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 01:31:18 PM
magic glade 4 30 south good e/w today 20/1
also happy milly at clonmel in the 2.35 6/1

Magic Glade, n/r now  >:(


15:45 Tue 16th Mar  Southwell 5f
17:50 Wed 17th Mar  Kempton 5f   
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 11, 2010, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 11, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: full back on March 11, 2010, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on March 11, 2010, 08:56:37 AM
Got a call this morning about Fiery Oscar in the 3.40 (I think) at Clonmel this afternoon.  Apparently worth a flutter...

Currently 14.5 on Betfair
Drifting like fcuk..........

not today for Fiery Oscar, unlucky

What happened him? I'm a curse on these tips!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on March 11, 2010, 05:04:33 PM
Its odds on now but i have had a few texts for phycho in the next at clonmel
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shrek on March 11, 2010, 05:23:14 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 11, 2010, 05:04:33 PM
Its odds on now but i have had a few texts for phycho in the next at clonmel

Nice call O'Hare
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 11, 2010, 05:43:51 PM
No 7 last race Wolves EW.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on March 11, 2010, 06:07:42 PM
Don't know if this will make any difference.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8562293.stm

Jockey Sam Thomas is a doubt for Cheltenham after being airlifted to hospital after a fall on the gallops at Paul Nicholls' Somerset yard.

The 25-year-old has undergone tests for neck and back injuries at the Royal United Hospital in Bath.

Thomas rode Denman to Gold Cup success in 2008 but lost the ride this season after becoming stable jockey at Tom George's yard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 11, 2010, 09:36:21 PM
For any of you that have BBC4, Storyville -Race Horses, follows three promising racehorses over a year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 12, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
Meath All Star is running 345 Wincanton today. I remember DH mentioning this horse for Cheltenham, you would think he should be up to winning ths although he is up against a Nicholls/Ruby 2nd favourite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 12, 2010, 10:45:54 AM
                        
Cheltenham      Paddy Power   Evan Williams   Don McClean   Barry Geraghty   Davy Russell   Colm Murphy   Wille Mullins
2010      Turf Accountant   Trainer   Journalist   Jockey   Jockey   Trainer   Trainer
                        
Supreme Novices Hurdle   Selection   Dunguib   Oscar Whiskey   Get me out of here   Dunguib   Dunguib   Dunguib   Dunguib
   Each Way         Blackstairmountain   Oscar Whiskey         Blackstairmountain
   Other         Flat out            Flat Out
                        
Neptune Investment Hurdle   Selection   Rite of Passage   Quantitativeeasing   Rite of Passage   Finnians Rainbow   Peddlars Cross   Rite of Passage   Quel Esprit
   Each Way         Quel Esprit   Peddlars Cross         
   Other      Rite of Passage   Fionnegas      Rite of Passage      
                        
Triumph Hurdle   Selection   Notus de la tour         Soldatino   Super Kenny   Super Kenny   
   Each Way      Barazan               
   Other                     Carlito Brigante
                        
Champion Hurdle   Selection   Go Native   Go Native   Go Native   Punjabi or Zaynar   Solwit   Go Native   Go Native
   Each Way   Kyber Kim   Zaynar or Medemit   Punjabi      Sublimity      Sublimity
   Other      Kyber Kim      Go Native   Celestial Halo      
                        
World Hurdle   Selection   Big Bucks   Karabak   Big Bucks   Big Bucks   Big Bucks   Big Bucks   
   Each Way      War of Attrition   Tidal Bay   Sentry Duty   War of Attrition   War of Attrition   
   Other      Katchit            Sentry Duty   
                        
Arkle   Selection   Captain Cee Bee   Somersby   Captain Cee Bee   Riverside Theatre   Captain Cee Bee   Captain Cee Bee   
   Each Way   Woolcombe Folly                  Shakervilz
   Other                     
                        
RSA Chase   Selection      Punchestowns   Weapons Amnesty   Punchestowns   Weapons Amnesty   Punchestowns   
   Each Way   Weird Al   Bensalem   Weird Al   Uimhearaceathair      Weapons Amnesty   Uimhearaceathair
   Other                     
                        
Queen Mother Chase   Selection   Master Minded   Kalahari King   Big Zeb   Master Minded      Big Zeb   Master Minded
   Each Way      Big Zeb   Forpaddytheplasterer   Big Zeb         Gold and Silver
   Other                  Master Minded   
                        
Gold Cup   Selection   Imperial Commander   Kauto Star   Imperial Commander      Denman   Kauto Star   
   Each Way         Cooldine      Tricky Trickster   Cooldine   Cooldine
   Other         Calgary Bay         Denman   
                        
                        
                        
                        
      Paddy Power   Evan Williams   Don McClean   Barry Geraghty   Davy Russell   Colm Murphy   Wille Mullins
      Turf Accountant   Trainer   Journalist   Jockey   Jockey   Trainer   Trainer
                        
Champion Bumper   Selection   Drumbaloo   Shot from the Hip   Elegant Concorde      Shot from the Hip   Elegant Concorde   
   Each Way         Drumbaloo      Drumbaloo   Shot from the Hip   
   Other      Any Irish trained   Shot from the Hip      Elegant Concorde      
                        
Ryanair Chase   Selection                     
   Each Way                     Scotsirish
   Other                     
                        
Mares Hurdle   Selection                     Quevega
   Each Way                     
   Other                     
                        
Albert Bartlett Hurdle   Selection                     Enterprise Park
   Each Way                     Shinrock Paddy
   Other                     
                        
Horses to Avoid            Alaivan   Rite of Passage   Pittoni      Jy Vole
            (Triumph Hurdle)   (Neptune Hurdle)   (Triumph Hurdle)      (Ryanair Chase)
            Long Runs   Long Runs   Sizing Europe      Cousin Vinny
            (RSA Chase)   (RSA Chase)   and Somersby      (World Hurdle)
                  (Arkle)      Mourad
                  Long Runs      (World Hurdle)
                  (RSA Chase)      Any 4 y-o in Bumper
                  Tartan Times      
                  (Bumper)      
                  Twist Magic      
                  (QM Chase)      
                        
                        
NAPS      Drumbaloo   Punchestowns and   Imperial Commander   Finnians Rainbow   Peddlars Cross   Shinrock Paddy   Enterprise Park
      (Bumper)   Long run in a forcast   e/w (Gold Cup)   (Neptune Hurdle)   (Neptune Hurdle)   (Albert Bartlett)   (Albert Bartlett)
         (RSA Chase)               Quel Esprit
         Barizan e/w               (Neptune Hurdle)
         (Triumph Hurdle)               Shakervilz
                        (Arkle)
                        Scotsirish
                        (Ryanair Chase)
                        All E/W
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 12, 2010, 10:54:57 AM
Lads that spread sheet didn't come out to well, if any of you want it emailed send me a pm and i'll forward onto ya
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 12, 2010, 10:56:30 AM
 
BJG    26 Feb 10:35


TD_Gunner 26 Feb 09:29
Exeter Preview Evening Notes

Panel were Paul Nicholls, Farry Hindlay, Andrew King, David Pipe, Philip Hobbs and Paddy Power. (Nick Williams also in the crowd and spoke about his horses)

Supreme Novices
PFN – Dunguib hard to beat, Pepe Simo e/w chance on good ground.
HF – Thinks Dunguib is a cert and is basically lumping on.
Pipe – Dunguib hard to beat, thinks GMOOH and his horse Dan Breen could be good e/w chances.

Arkle Chase
PN – Really sweet on Woolcombe Folly if good ground, can't have Somersby, said he beat a horse of his by 1 1.2 lengths that he wouldn't even consider for this. Tataniano needs good ground, could wait for Aintree.
HF – Thinks Long Run could/should go for this and would win.

Champion Hurdle
PN – Really happy with Celestial Halo prep (surprisingly quite bullish), thinks Khyber Kim is a BIG danger.
HF – Wants Dunguib to go for this and would back him. Very negative about Punjabi, can't have it at all and thinks last year's form is crap.

Neptune Investments Hurdle
Paddy P – Said Weld is very sweet on Rite Of Passage.
HF – Very negative about Reve De Sivola, but likes Finians Rainbow
Nick Williams – Said RDS has a great chance of placing, (big e/w chance), but think everything has to go his way to win and needs to jump better.
PN – Ghizao e/w

Champion Chase
PN – Thinks Twist Magic is Master Mindeds biggest danger. He can't have Kalahari King after he was thrashed by TM at Sandown.
HF – Ruby told him on Saturday after he schooled him that only a fall could stop Master Minded – think he's a cert.
Pipe – Thinks Master Minded wins easily. Happy to let Well Chief run

RSA Chase
PN – Probably no runners unless The Nightingale wins easily on Saturday, thinks Long Run is a machine, but jock a slight worry. AP McCoy schooled Punchestowns and told Nicholls after the Sandown race that Punchestowns is a 2m4f horse, Nicholls agrees and worries about Punchestowns staying well.
Hobbs – Thinks its between the two Henderson runners, mainly Long Run.
HF – Tried to buy Long Run, but as part of deal had to stay and run in France for a while, so fell through, but he thinks LR is the real deal and will win the Gold Cup in two years time. Basically think he's a certainty. Jock is a worry though. Thinks Bensalem should have beaten Diamond Harry and would like him for this.
N Williams - Feltham performance best novice chase performance he has ever seen in 30 years of racing. Really negative about Diamond Harry imo, thinks Bensalem should have beaten him and will need to jump better in the RSA to have a chance.

Champion Bumper
Paddy P – Weld said - Smullen rides Hidden Universe and McNamara rides Elegant Concorde and is sweet on both of them. They are both Melbourne Cup horses too! JP McManus allegedly offered connections of Drumbaloo 250 k for the horse and they turned it down, thinks 25/1 is a massive price. Also said that Mullins wasn't very confident about his chances
PN – Negative about Al Ferof, needs softish ground and tbh didn't sound too keen on running him, but owner wants to.

Ryanair Chase
PN – Very sweet on Poquelin on good ground, but must have good ground. Thinks Tranquil Sea is the one on soft ground.
Hobbs – Bit hesitant on Planet of Sounds chances after the fall.
HF – Can't have VPU at all, thinks he's gone at the game.

World Hurdle
PN – Big Buck's big chance (obviously).
HF – Thinks BB is a cert, but Tidal Bay is also a cert to finish second and should be second fav.
Pipe – Thinks Mr Thriller is too big and you can ignore last run, e/w chance, owner has backed him.
Hobbs – Fair Along could be gone

Albert Bartlett
Paddy P – Enterprise Park intended Mullins runner and 10/1 is too big. Also keen on Shinrock Paddy.
Pipe – Chartreux his runner
PN – Najaf intended runner

Triumph Hurdle
Pipe – Quite keen on Notus De La Tour (Also could be his Imperial Cup runner)
HF – Had very negative vibes from Ireland about Alaivan, said he was too light (whatever that means). Thinks Carlito is a certainty to be placed.
PN – Bullish about Advisor, quite similar to Celestial Halo.

Gold Cup
Pipe – Two horse race he reckons. Madison won't run.
HF – Thinks Kauto very hard to beat, but if someone can, Denman can. Denman could run in blinkers. Can't have Cooldine at all and will be laying him in the w/o big two market big time. Tricky Trickster without the big two.
PN – Same as what he's said in the paper, but very bullish that Tricky Trickster would come third. Don't rule out Imperial Commander.

National Hunt Novices Chase
PN – Massasoit runner, R Mahon rides
Pipe – Fairly bullish about The Sliotar

Pertemps
HF – Alfie Sherrin a probable runner, going straight there, fautless and very good form.
PN – Alfie very hard to train but very talented.
Pipe – Buena Vista on the same mark as last year's second.
Hobbs – Triggerman best chance

William Hill Chase
PN – Ruby rides The Tother One
Hobbs – Monkerhostin e/w chance
Pipe – The Package could run, or Our Vic who Danny Cook is sweet on.

Coral Cup
PN – Beshabar only runner
Pipe – Mamlook probable best chance
Hobbs – Pretty sweet on Wishfull Thinking for this, seemed to really rate this horse.

Jewson
Nicholls – Rivaliste, Five Dream and Take The Breeze his intended runners.

Martin Pipe Race
Pipe – Ashkazar and Mutual Friend probably best chances.

£200 Charity Bet
HF – Dunguib/Big Buck's/Master Minded treble
Nicholls – Poquelin
Andrew King – Mille Chief
Pipe – Long Run
Hobbs – Long Run
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: boojangles on March 12, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
Meath All Star is running 345 Wincanton today. I remember DH mentioning this horse for Cheltenham, you would think he should be up to winning ths although he is up against a Nicholls/Ruby 2nd favourite.

Apparently Meath all star might need a penalty to be guarenteed to get into Cheltenham next week.  If thats the case then the connections will probably have this race hand picked and be going all out for the win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2010, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: boojangles on March 12, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
Meath All Star is running 345 Wincanton today. I remember DH mentioning this horse for Cheltenham, you would think he should be up to winning ths although he is up against a Nicholls/Ruby 2nd favourite.

Apparently Meath all star might need a penalty to be guarenteed to get into Cheltenham next week.  If thats the case then the connections will probably have this race hand picked and be going all out for the win.

That's correct. He won't make the cut for the Conditional Jockey's race unless he wins today and picks up a penalty. The Nicholls horse is a brother to Racing Demon but his bumper form is mediocre.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on March 12, 2010, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: boojangles on March 12, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
Meath All Star is running 345 Wincanton today. I remember DH mentioning this horse for Cheltenham, you would think he should be up to winning ths although he is up against a Nicholls/Ruby 2nd favourite.

Think the Nicholls horse in NR now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

i did Murrell in last at wincanton

Lush life in last at Sandown

Meath Allstar.

Pays about 5-1.  Not great but they do look like bankers (famous last words) ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 01:07:56 PM
I dunno about Meath All Star lads, I'm gonna back the Rainbow Hunter in that one, much better e/w bet as it could take this one. WIZARD OF EDGE (3.10 Wincanton) Wizard of Edge is a six time winner over fences and could be a decent bet also. Far From Blonde will also get a wallop too from me in the opener
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on March 12, 2010, 01:49:01 PM
Diavoleria is out again at Ayr today Sammy  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 12, 2010, 01:49:01 PM
Diavoleria is out again at Ayr today Sammy  :D

yeah 8/11 today, NOT 33/1  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 12, 2010, 03:52:05 PM
1/3 he wins but won't break any delph
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
by the sounds of the commentry i would not like to be backing meath all star at cheltenham, although a better jockey would probably made todays run look alot more impressive
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

SWEEEEEEEEEET.....I hope some of ye got on.  It paid nearly 9/1 on the early prices   ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 12, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

cheers fella, got 155 from a score bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shrek on March 12, 2010, 04:02:07 PM
got a bit from that as well, cheers mate.

also lumped a load on him last minute.

Does anyone know how to find ho much i get back from the multiple bet on Betfair

i looked in betting history but it only gives me the single bet i had on Meath All Star.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WaterBoy on March 12, 2010, 04:03:37 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

Cheers lad, nice wee lift before Cheltenham! Hopefully add to it tomorrow, got word for an e/w on Pepe Simo in the Imperial Cup at sandown, Ruby on board, around 6/1 at the min.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

that was more like 3/1 or 5/2 but winners are winners
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
by the sounds of the commentry i would not like to be backing meath all star at cheltenham, although a better jockey would probably made todays run look alot more impressive

Same jock will probably be on given that the race at Cheltenham is for conditionals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

that was more like 3/1 or 5/2 but winners are winners

I took earlies....6/5, 6/4 + 4/6
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

that was more like 3/1 or 5/2 but winners are winners

I took earlies....6/5, 6/4 + 4/6

well done mate, nice bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 12, 2010, 04:15:52 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

that was more like 3/1 or 5/2 but winners are winners

I took earlies....6/5, 6/4 + 4/6

well done mate, nice bet

Well done lads, it's hard enough to get one up- 3 is lethal, especially on a friday!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 04:25:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
by the sounds of the commentry i would not like to be backing meath all star at cheltenham, although a better jockey would probably made todays run look alot more impressive

Same jock will probably be on given that the race at Cheltenham is for conditionals.

good point, just sounded like the horse was all over the place
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 12, 2010, 04:36:02 PM
I didn't see much wrong with the ride, but the performance wouldn't inspire you to back him for Cheltenham. I presume Donoghue was under instructions to take it on and he did all the work in the race. He hung to his left in the straight and had to be pushed to see off The Rainbow Hunter and didn't seem to have an awful lot in the tank.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 05:10:55 PM
Fair enough Hardy, did not see it but the way the commentator was talking he was causing me to panick a bit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 12, 2010, 05:30:20 PM
I went in to the bookies at lunch time to do a £20 double...Lush Life and Meath All star but didn't do it when i found out how bad their prices were :'(

Thought Lush life was about 5/2 after the Irish News NAP'ed to today and when you lads said to do Meath All star i thought get in there but the 8/15 price put me off...raging i am >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 12, 2010, 05:33:42 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on March 12, 2010, 05:10:55 PM
Fair enough Hardy, did not see it but the way the commentator was talking he was causing me to panick a bit.

Ya must have been listening to the Timeform commentary. The commentator had me panicking anyway even though he was still 2 or 3 lengths ahead coming up to the line.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 12, 2010, 05:39:25 PM
Watched that programme with Paul Nolan on BBC4 last night. It was a very good insight into the horses environment, thoroughly enjoyed it even though I missed the first half of it. Think its being shown on Monday night on RTE.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 12, 2010, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

that was more like 3/1 or 5/2 but winners are winners

Sammys rippin... :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 12, 2010, 08:15:58 PM
Got the first leg of a £2.50 each way double up there. Banna Biorche in the first race at Dundalk, now waiting on Indian Wind in the 8.30 for 200 quid! Just done it out of interest as the two horses are owned by a fella that lives near by and said they would both have a decent shout. Indian Wind has the better chance he said!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 12, 2010, 08:33:59 PM
Well done!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 12, 2010, 08:36:49 PM
Cheers, Cheltenham fund is sitting pretty now. He also owns another horse, Shanrod, who is going for the Fred Winter, i'll have to see what the craic is for that race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 12, 2010, 10:09:05 PM
Meanus dandy 2.30 sandown get on  ;)...lad give me a 17-1 earlier in the week too but didn't get it on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2010, 10:32:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 12, 2010, 04:36:02 PM
I didn't see much wrong with the ride, but the performance wouldn't inspire you to back him for Cheltenham. I presume Donoghue was under instructions to take it on and he did all the work in the race. He hung to his left in the straight and had to be pushed to see off The Rainbow Hunter and didn't seem to have an awful lot in the tank.

I think he'll find things a bit easier in a bigger field. That Martin Pipe race was pure muck last year so I wouldn't write him off. I don't think our horses are particularly well treated for the handicaps though and I'll probably stick to the English trained animals for the most part.

Smoking Aces in the Pertemps and Tommy Cooper's horse in the Fred Winter are the only two Irish horses that I've backed in the handicaps so far. Had a few bob e/w on Gallant Nuit in the Kim Muir (think Nina rides that one for Ferdy Murphy) and Peddlers Cross in the Neptune Novice. A lot of people have been querying whether he'll handle faster ground but he has p2p form on firmish going. I think he is the e/w bet of the meeting.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 13, 2010, 12:04:00 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on March 12, 2010, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2010, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 12, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
A Wee treble for friday (all short price tips!)

Ayr  2.10   Nafaath
Leic 2.30   Picaroon
Win 3.45   Meath All Star

should pay 8/9to1

that was more like 3/1 or 5/2 but winners are winners

Sammys rippin... :D

why would I be ripping haran?, I just didn't think it was an 8/1 treble, twas a good good bet, nice to see the bookies suffer  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 13, 2010, 12:06:43 AM
Cos he picked them and hes getting a loada credit for it and you're jealous  :P

Just pulling your chain sammy! ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 13, 2010, 01:13:06 PM
Just got a text tipping Red Harbour @ 2.00pm.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on March 13, 2010, 01:30:50 PM
Press the button in the 3.05
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on March 13, 2010, 02:06:02 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 13, 2010, 01:13:06 PM
Just got a text tipping Red Harbour @ 2.00pm.

Jesus what a finish
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 13, 2010, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 13, 2010, 01:13:06 PM
Just got a text tipping Red Harbour @ 2.00pm.

Heart stopping stuff!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on March 13, 2010, 02:08:58 PM
Quote from: Family guy on March 13, 2010, 01:30:50 PM
Press the button in the 3.05

Got word on this boy meself, lot of money going on her in monaghan town @ min, i got 11/1 from Mr Power, mate of mine just got 7/1 in bookies mmmm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 13, 2010, 02:17:34 PM
Fcuk that was tight!!
;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 13, 2010, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: new devil on March 12, 2010, 10:09:05 PM
Meanus dandy 2.30 sandown get on  ;)...lad give me a 17-1 earlier in the week too but didn't get it on

Hope yous done it  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 13, 2010, 02:43:34 PM
2 up...
Waiting on Press the Button and Pepe Simo!!

has the potential to be a great day!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 13, 2010, 02:50:25 PM
3.05 Tocca Ferro and Pepe Simo main contenders in my book
3.40 Businessmoney Judi worth a small e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 13, 2010, 03:13:15 PM
Sandown 3.05   

1st  21 Qaspal (FR)  11-4 F 
2nd  9 Oldrik (GER)  16-1 
3rd  4 Pepe Simo (IRE)  7-2 
4th  14 Tilt  66-1 

Got word on this boy meself, lot of money going on her in monaghan town @ min, i got 11/1 from Mr Power, mate of mine just got 7/1 in bookies mmmm

No pints in Monaghan town 2nite...

Sammy you may post a few fancies here to regain your crown!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 13, 2010, 03:59:35 PM

1    Mizzurka (IRE)  11-4  A P McCoy  R H Buckler  6 4/1 
 
2   Risaala  10-10  Miss G Andrews (7)  Mrs P Sly  4 25/1 

3  Lifestyle  10-10  B J Geraghty  N J Henderson  4 4/6 f
 
4  Businessmoney Judi  10-6  J Millman  B R Millman  4 25/1  
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 14, 2010, 12:08:06 PM
3 bets today

sharekan 4.05 navan 11/2
corkskeagh royale 4.35 navan 9/2
and king harald warwick 4.30 25/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 14, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
WARWICK
4:00 HANDICAP HURDLE 2m 5f
14th of Mar 2010 4:00 pm
Win or each way
Quipe Me Posted @ 9/2 (GP)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 14, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
Massive gamble going on no.11  in te 2.25 at limerick-was about 25/1 this morning only 11/4 or 5/2 now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on March 15, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
4:40 Stratford Oliver Brady's horse Imperial Shabra would be worth a punt currently 3/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2010, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on March 15, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
4:40 Stratford Oliver Brady's horse Imperial Shabra would be worth a punt currently 3/1

I was told that too and there was some 5's available earlier so the money must be coming in for it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
Flying out later this evening. Less than 24 hours now until Dunguib powers up the hill with the rest of the field in his wake! Will Captain Cee Bee jump round? How late will Carberry wait with Go Native? Can Garde Champetre and Quevega retain their crowns? Only one more sleep before we find out. See you in the Guinness Village tomorrow morning.

Happy punting!

(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/d5/9a/1a/1b3e929762a09d192e79a75ecb82caa573f96cdaf6.jpg)
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/6d/06/51/056941fc218c44203153467c269585c3c2b5734567.jpg)
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/b4/d6/f1/867dbb82a8860464bb20214ace74c27e2e886ea9f9.jpg)
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/5c/6f/79/ae503c34f2c6a289b8ed148bdbd9c3ee51d355e018.jpg)
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/91/d8/34/52884cd272de0ca08f94ecb47f76bedf1f46436e0e.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 15, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
Enjoy yourself DH you jammy cant!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2010, 02:01:24 PM
Someone a tad excited about the imminent arrival of "The Festival"?? enjoy DH

I'll be in the boozer most of Wed afternoon watching them and might take of Thurs/Fri afternoon to enjoy at home  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 15, 2010, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
Flying out later this evening. Less than 24 hours now until Dunguib powers up the hill with the rest of the field in his wake! Will Captain Cee Bee jump round? How late will Carberry wait with Go Native? Can Garde Champetre and Quevega retain their crowns? Only one more sleep before we find out. See you in the Guinness Village tomorrow morning.

Happy punting!

You can sleep???!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 15, 2010, 04:35:34 PM
Punters getting stuck into Get Me Out of Here on Paddy Power on the basis that they'll get the money back if Dunguib wins. Dunguib out to 10/11 if anybody's looking to get late money on this donkey that DH has been talking up for some unknown reason.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 15, 2010, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 15, 2010, 04:35:34 PM
Punters getting stuck into Get Me Out of Here on Paddy Power on the basis that they'll get the money back if Dunguib wins. Dunguib out to 10/11 if anybody's looking to get late money on this donkey that DH has been talking up for some unknown reason.

I seen that earlier Tac, thats a bold move by PP. If Dunguib wins they'll have to pay out a fortune plus give all the loosers their money back :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 15, 2010, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 15, 2010, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 15, 2010, 04:35:34 PM
Punters getting stuck into Get Me Out of Here on Paddy Power on the basis that they'll get the money back if Dunguib wins. Dunguib out to 10/11 if anybody's looking to get late money on this donkey that DH has been talking up for some unknown reason.

I seen that earlier Tac, thats a bold move by PP. If Dunguib wins they'll have to pay out a fortune plus give all the loosers their money back :o

Joe Punter is ready to do his Cheltenham bets on Tuesday, he knows Paddy Power have a very generous money back offer so he goes down to his local PP shop and places a bet on Get Me Out of Here. While he's there he places a couple of other bets for the day
Dunguib wins and Joe Punter walks back into his local Paddy Power shop and claims back his money. While he's there he places a couple of other bets for the day

Paddy's no fool
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on March 15, 2010, 05:06:19 PM
PP normally has a few giveaways on throughout the year.

If you can limit yourself to punting with him only on these occasions then you are laughing.

If on the other hand, as Homer says, you do more & more bets with him then you will end up getting shafted regarding prices, escpecially on sports betting.

The percentage he works on in some matches is a f**king joke.

So, use the fcuker by all means to get the best 'offers' but dont punt with him on other occasions
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
v late but some value for me in TAUNTON 5.20 ... SUPERFLY   >:(  >:( was travelling great guns til it unseated  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 15, 2010, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 15, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
v late but some value for me in TAUNTON 5.20 ... SUPERFLY   >:(  >:( was travelling great guns til it unseated  :'(

Down like a stone...had a we £10 spot on tiger o toole at 11/2 which he won well. Get me a few free bets tomorrow ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 15, 2010, 06:00:01 PM
Correct i'lldecide had him backed myself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 15, 2010, 07:48:00 PM
Dunguib has been pushed out to evens with Ladbrokes, William Hill and Sportingbet.

A 50-50 chance? He might go even bigger tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 15, 2010, 10:53:23 PM
Oscar whiskey @5/1 insurance bet 1st,2nd or 3rd £100 double with athletico madrid tonight fingers crossed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 16, 2010, 03:02:22 AM
Anyone i have talked to have said Dunguib is a banker...Thinking about going big on him anyone think other wise?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on March 16, 2010, 07:27:32 AM
Me and you had some craic last year the 1st day of cheltenham new devil lol hope we get off to a better start this year,yeah go big i know i am
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shrek on March 16, 2010, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: new devil on March 16, 2010, 03:02:22 AM
Anyone i have talked to have said Dunguib is a banker...Thinking about going big on him anyone think other wise?
Quote from: Family guy on March 16, 2010, 07:27:32 AM
Me and you had some craic last year the 1st day of cheltenham new devil lol hope we get off to a better start this year,yeah go big i know i am

Are yous saying you should go big or not go big??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 16, 2010, 09:16:02 AM
I'll be going big. The week will be made or lost in the first race for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 16, 2010, 09:16:29 AM
personally....i wouldn't-if it loses it could mean a quiet festival for a lot of men
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 16, 2010, 09:53:12 AM
Menorah e/w i reckon is the value bet in the race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2010, 09:54:28 AM
I think the best option is to take up Paddy Power's offer - money back if Dunguib wins. You're getting a "without the favourite" bet at regular odds on any other horse in the race and it seems you can back more than one horse - this is what the conditions say:

"Paddy Power will refund the average stake of multiple single bets on this market; if, at our sole discretion, we feel you are abusing this offer".

It's hard to know what that means. I presume it means, as usual, that if you win too much they'll welch, but I presume it means you can back more than one, or they'd have said one bet only.

Max refund €300.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 16, 2010, 10:34:05 AM
Just off the phone there,supposedly tranquil sea has a lot of confidence behind him and expected to win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 16, 2010, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: beer baron on March 16, 2010, 10:34:05 AM
Just off the phone there,supposedly tranquil sea has a lot of confidence behind him and expected to win

Who were U on the phone to Baron, Edward O Grady?? :D :D
I agree with U though,I really fancy Tranquil,think only Poquelin or maybe Schindlers Hunt can beat him.

Dunguib all the way...................................................................
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 16, 2010, 11:10:09 AM
Haha yeah wer best of pals,no just friend of mine was talkin to stable staff(or so he says) here's hoping...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
I see at a preview last week Ruby called out Davy Russell & Co. on Sofullofshit Solwhit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uescVkEFvs Good man Ruby.

Dunguib @ Evns
Sizing Europe @ 6/1
Go Native @ 9/2

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p261/BallinaghMan/fingerscrossed.gif?t=1268737765)

Happy Cheltenham folks!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 16, 2010, 11:33:17 AM
Stan James the first to go odds against on Dunguib.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 16, 2010, 11:33:17 AM
Stan James the first to go odds against on Dunguib.

supposedly only 11/10 until 12.00 but I feel you'll get that elsewhere before the off
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 11:49:50 AM
My bets 2day (so far  ;D):

Dunguib @ EVS

Captian Cee Bee @ 3/1

Go Native @ 9/2....

Here's Hoping and all that!!

Got a tip for the first 1  :D lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2010, 11:54:26 AM
Here's a fun e.w. Lucky 15 - horses that could run into a place, mostly at very big prices. It pays over 200/1 if they all place. If they all won you'd collect over 400K for 50c e.w. (€15 outlay) and you could take the rest of the week off.

Mad Max 2:05
Knowhere 2:40
Medermit 3:20
A New Story 4:00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 16, 2010, 12:09:23 PM
Anyone have link for a stream for those of us who are stuck behind a desk?  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 16, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 16, 2010, 12:09:23 PM
Anyone have link for a stream for those of us who are stuck behind a desk?  :(
Justin.tv worked for me last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
RTE are streaming all televised races on their website for island of Ireland viewers  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on March 16, 2010, 12:19:24 PM
try this one

http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 16, 2010, 12:09:23 PM
Anyone have link for a stream for those of us who are stuck behind a desk?  :(
http://www.tvcatchup.com/watch.html?c=4

Watching Channel 4 here as we speak!! honestly think its maybe a few seconds behind though.... better than nothing!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 16, 2010, 12:25:20 PM
cheers lads......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 12:25:37 PM
a wee e/w bet on silver birch in the 4.00....

she was good to me b4 when i was a skint student ..... had £2.50 e.w (i was broke) got me £108 and a very enjoyable weekend!

p.s happy punting!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 16, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
I see at a preview last week Ruby called out Davy Russell & Co. on Sofullofshit Solwhit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uescVkEFvs Good man Ruby.

Dunguib @ Evns
Sizing Europe @ 6/1
Go Native @ 9/2

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p261/BallinaghMan/fingerscrossed.gif?t=1268737765)

Happy Cheltenham folks!

A feck and I choose those three as well, Sizing Europe my NAP at the price. With you and me behind them Homer they are goosed  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 16, 2010, 12:44:46 PM
Say a prayer Dunguib wins so the bookies will be cleaned out...Please...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on March 16, 2010, 12:47:22 PM
nothing better than seeing the bookies cleaned out, had a wee sniffle this morning couldnt make it to work ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 16, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
Nearly there, this is exciting stuff!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 16, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
I see at a preview last week Ruby called out Davy Russell & Co. on Sofullofshit Solwhit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uescVkEFvs Good man Ruby.

Dunguib @ Evns
Sizing Europe @ 6/1
Go Native @ 9/2

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p261/BallinaghMan/fingerscrossed.gif?t=1268737765)

Happy Cheltenham folks!

A feck and I choose those three as well, Sizing Europe my NAP at the price. With you and me behind them Homer they are goosed  :D

I've already thrown away the slip
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on March 16, 2010, 01:29:31 PM
anyone else dunging them :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 16, 2010, 01:35:32 PM
Poor ride....... :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on March 16, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
FFS quiet few days now :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on March 16, 2010, 01:37:23 PM
BRUTAL RIDE
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 01:38:37 PM
Cheltenham 1.30   

1st  12 Menorah (IRE)  12-1 
2nd  10 Get Me Out Of Here (IRE)  9-2 
3rd  5 Dunguib (IRE)  4-5 F 

:o :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2010, 01:40:01 PM
Paddy power is some mug now isn't he lol bastid
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 16, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 16, 2010, 01:40:01 PM
Paddy power is some mug now isn't he lol bastid

:D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on March 16, 2010, 01:42:16 PM
Thought McCoy was going to get up at the line, fair effort from him to get there after Dan Breen near shunted him at the 2nd last fence.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 01:43:14 PM
saved the bookies £5million...... ffs 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 16, 2010, 01:44:54 PM
FFS, Lump on Go Native now to get the money back-9-2!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2010, 01:46:28 PM
Are there only 3 places paid for that first at cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 16, 2010, 01:49:25 PM
Menorah for sam
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lady GAA GAA on March 16, 2010, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 16, 2010, 01:46:28 PM
Are there only 3 places paid for that first at cheltenham?

i feel your pain. everywhere paying 3 bar skybet it seems
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 16, 2010, 01:57:41 PM
Had a text from Cheltenham.

Jumbo Rio in 3.20 may be worth a small e/w. Currently 80/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2010, 02:01:48 PM
I hope shamrock that ain't one of the ones i look at and it romps home with the charlie out (because i am going to pass on this one)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 16, 2010, 02:04:17 PM
f**king dunsquib!!! ran a bad race... come on sports line
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 02:05:40 PM
I've gone in again e/w on Sizing Europe @ 7s
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: goal and a point on March 16, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
anyone kno where we can watch races live on net?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 16, 2010, 02:10:16 PM
We are back!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 16, 2010, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 16, 2010, 02:05:40 PM
I've gone in again e/w on Sizing Europe @ 7s
good call homer!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 02:11:27 PM
 :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on March 16, 2010, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 16, 2010, 01:57:41 PM
Had a text from Cheltenham.

Jumbo Rio in 3.20 may be worth a small e/w. Currently 80/1

After a disaster of a start i'm gonna lamp a fiver e/w on her
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 16, 2010, 02:20:23 PM
Had Sizing Europe at 6's in a yankee, now waiting on Go Native and Voler La Vedette after Dunguib f**ked up!!
Ogee to win the next.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on March 16, 2010, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 02, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Fouund a good link to watch racing uk and international racing if anyone interested http://yb.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/yb/22261/1_yb-yb466_070601.asx
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 02:21:53 PM
feckin raging i didn't listen to an ex poster.... but sure early days!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 16, 2010, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 16, 2010, 01:37:23 PM
BRUTAL RIDE

Lorraine Keane!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 16, 2010, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 16, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
I see at a preview last week Ruby called out Davy Russell & Co. on Sofullofshit Solwhit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uescVkEFvs Good man Ruby.
Dunguib @ Evns
Sizing Europe @ 6/1
Go Native @ 9/2
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p261/BallinaghMan/fingerscrossed.gif?t=1268737765)
Happy Cheltenham folks!
A feck and I choose those three as well, Sizing Europe my NAP at the price. With you and me behind them Homer they are goosed  :D
I've already thrown away the slip

Get it back, Get it back  :) Only put Dunguib in a €2 yankee, IMHO there wasn't much wrong with the ride, he wasn't good enough on the day, end of!

Got a guaranteed price on Sizing Europe, nice bit on our own wee tipster thread and set up nicely in Mc Keowns NAP table after day one also. Now just hoping the double with Go Native can come up like it did for the same two horse on Stephens Day!!
Without any shadow, the best start I've ever had to the festival  :)

The argument is over in terms of Captain Cee Bee and Sizing Europe (well for now anyway)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 16, 2010, 02:38:44 PM
C'mon Ogee saan...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on March 16, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
if go native comes through il live...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 16, 2010, 02:47:31 PM
Bookies having a field day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mikasas on March 16, 2010, 02:49:08 PM
f**king Bensalem!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 16, 2010, 02:50:03 PM
aaaahhhhhhh i was  on the package
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 16, 2010, 02:38:44 PM
C'mon Ogee saan...
You got a run for your money anyway

Timmy fucked up and his typical waiting ride, left it too late this time. No wichita lineman result this year!

€5 place on Knowhere  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 02:52:31 PM
 >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 16, 2010, 02:53:11 PM
Ogee's c**k up at the second last cost him dear. Thought I had it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on March 16, 2010, 02:53:11 PM
Ogee's c**k up at the second last cost him dear. Thought I had it!

To be fair he recovered well and ran a great race. Lesser horses wouldn't have placed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
Yes - thanks Timmy for losing the race on the best horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 16, 2010, 02:57:28 PM
luckily had chief dan george in a L15. Waiting on Ruby & Celesti.al Halo to bring it home in the next.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 16, 2010, 03:02:13 PM
Come on khyber kim-save my day please
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on March 16, 2010, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 16, 2010, 02:57:28 PM
luckily had chief dan george in a L15. Waiting on Ruby & Celesti.al Halo to bring it home in the next.

you'll make £100 on it then even if your other horses do nothing? i had Get Me Out of Here and The Package, both losing by a matter of inches, the heart isn't good!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 16, 2010, 03:06:12 PM
If Go Native wins then it will be a very good day. Going to go big!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 16, 2010, 03:12:37 PM
Solwit good EW bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on March 16, 2010, 03:26:22 PM
FFS
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
Go Native was disappointing. A pity Binocular couldn't have done that last year!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 16, 2010, 03:26:56 PM
Binocular really IMPRESSIVE back to its best when it really counts well done Tony McCoy!

JP Mac will be a happy man tonight  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
you would need to have a crystal ball to make money at cheltenham lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 16, 2010, 03:28:21 PM
Free bet in the bookies on binocular so not too bad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 03:29:45 PM
Binocular was layed at huge odds including a fair few quid at 999/1 when he was originally declared as out for this. Ouch.

Go Native looked to have pulled something or burst a blood vessel.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 03:30:00 PM
Has anyone won any cash today yet? FFS!!!!!  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 16, 2010, 03:30:12 PM
c'mon Davy Russell in the X-COUNTRY I would LOVE a 40/1 winner  8)

favourites are taking a hammering today, bloody bookies are laughing their tits off  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 16, 2010, 03:30:44 PM
FFS Will anything go right today? Can't believe I have been waiting a year for this! :(
Sizing Australia in the next to upset the odds.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 16, 2010, 03:32:37 PM
Can someone with the nous please insert results after each race with SP's etc to help us techno-phobes?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on March 16, 2010, 03:36:42 PM
Binocular has saved me. been backing him 2/3 quid here and there since last november but mostly at prices of 6/1 - 7/2.  Went off at 9/1 but after the disaster of Dunguib & Captain Cee Bee I'm not about to complain.............
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
Results     Name     Racecard No.     Jockey               SP
1st         Binocular    (1)                A P Mccoy              9/1
2nd       Khyber Kim    (5)               P J Brennan              7/1
3rd         Zaynar          (12)                A Tinkler              15/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bensars on March 16, 2010, 03:37:54 PM
L'ami to win.   JPs bet of the week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
2.40 william hill

1st     Chief Dan George     (15)  P Aspell              33/1
2nd    The Package (F)      (18)    T J Murphy       9/2
3rd    Ogee                    (23)    J A Mccarthy       8/1
4th    Offshore Account    (24)    D J Casey             33/1


2.05
1st     Sizing Europe     (8)     A E Lynch             6/1
2nd    Somersby (2F)    (9)    R Thornton    4/1
3rd    Osana           (5)    A J Mcnamara    14/1


1.30
1st     Menorah                       (12)            R Johnson             12/1
2nd    Get Me Out Of Here (2F)(10)        A P Mccoy            9/2
3rd    Dunguib (F)               (5)       Mr B T Oconnell    4/5
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maggie on March 16, 2010, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 16, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
2.40 william hill

1st     Chief Dan George     (15)  P Aspell              33/1
2nd    The Package (F)      (18)    T J Murphy       9/2
3rd    Ogee                    (23)    J A Mccarthy       8/1
4th    Offshore Account    (24)    D J Casey             33/1

Leenie-have you no work to be doing?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
i'm screwed .... so much to do something like 25,000 words... and to top it i only have had one bloody second today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on March 16, 2010, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 16, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
i'm screwed .... so much to do something like 25,000 words... and to top it i only have had one bloody second today!
Not a complete waste of a day so.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 16, 2010, 04:12:27 PM
Dear jesus what is happening  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
Just watche Binocular's win again there.... Impressive!!!
But didnt help my cause  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 16, 2010, 04:15:32 PM
This is a f**king nightmare  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 16, 2010, 04:15:57 PM
The St Patrick's Eve Massacare
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 16, 2010, 04:17:12 PM
jesus this is a real shitter today.... laying quevega now  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on March 16, 2010, 04:19:58 PM
3 second places & a third place  ::)

What a sh1te day  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 16, 2010, 04:20:52 PM
Cancel St. Patrick's day- what a woeful day- Just heard Paddy Power retired on today's profits!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on March 16, 2010, 04:21:46 PM
thank God/Ja/Bhudda/Allah for binocular, i'm getting massacred today :-[, by the way the thing is looking i'm gonna have to lump a few quid on Sway in the last currently 12's and maybe go e/w on carols legacy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 04:24:53 PM
Can Ruby pull 1 back in the last?!?!?!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on March 16, 2010, 04:28:00 PM
Easter Legend to save the day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 16, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
I'am tossing a coin between it and quevega FB to save my day/week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 04:24:53 PM
Can Ruby pull 1 back in the last?!?!?!

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p261/BallinaghMan/fingerscrossed.gif?t=1268737765)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 04:35:40 PM
come on "no one tells me" and "artic magic" please......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on March 16, 2010, 04:45:34 PM
Quevega saves the day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 04:46:40 PM
big pile of steaming horse dung......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 16, 2010, 04:47:19 PM
Get in! Broke even for the day after that win, Willie tipped the horse last night on RTE News.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 16, 2010, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 16, 2010, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 04:24:53 PM
Can Ruby pull 1 back in the last?!?!?!

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p261/BallinaghMan/fingerscrossed.gif?t=1268737765)

Good on ya girl
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on March 16, 2010, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: new devil on March 16, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
I'am tossing a coin between it and quevega FB to save my day/week

Hope you done quevega
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 04:49:02 PM
Very impressive she was!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 16, 2010, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 16, 2010, 04:17:12 PM
jesus this is a real shitter today.... laying quevega now  :-\

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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on March 16, 2010, 04:55:16 PM
had caroles legacy €5e/w @20/1 , also had voler la vedette €10 e/w did'nt go with sway when it came to putting the money down, its saved me day slightly, this is enough to drive a man to take an ojus feed of porter tonight ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2010, 05:22:04 PM
Backed Ruby in the last and had a wee nip at Caroles Legacy e/w... Pulled me rightly back, all or nothing!!
up about a tenner for the day!!! lol :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 16, 2010, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: full back on March 16, 2010, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: new devil on March 16, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
I'am tossing a coin between it and quevega FB to save my day/week

Hope you done quevega

Thank god i did...don't know how but up $25 for the day  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 16, 2010, 06:22:28 PM
A bad day all round I think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2010, 06:25:34 PM
Quote from: cookstownblue on March 16, 2010, 04:20:52 PM
Cancel St. Patrick's day- what a woeful day- Just heard Paddy Power retired on today's profits!

He may have retired but the fooker ain't handing out any complimentry bets. You think they would give us a lame £10 spot after todays shite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2010, 06:27:09 PM
Raped today lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 16, 2010, 06:30:05 PM
Heard the bookies up around 30million today  :o :o BASTARDS!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 16, 2010, 06:30:17 PM
While not laughing at your misfortune boys and girls - it was like a funeral in here reading this thread when I got online this morning.

Maybe you will get it all back manana.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on March 16, 2010, 06:30:17 PM
While not laughing at your misfortune boys and girls - it was like a funeral in here reading this thread when I got online this morning.

Maybe you will get it all back manana.

feckin better!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 16, 2010, 06:54:50 PM
Well Mother of all Gods that was some massacre. Had 3 2nds in a row with Somersby,The Package and Kyber Kim,with only small each ways on them. Garde Champetre and Voler la Vodette results killed me. Only for the last 2 races at Sedgefield I wouldn't have had the price of a pint 2mrw. Paddy Power is one brave man but a genius too,Dunguib losing must have earned him Millions.

BUT I live to fight another day and Im looking for revenge. Not original but Master Minded is my banker 2mrw. The word from the Nicholls team is very positive.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on March 16, 2010, 08:56:31 PM
Right lads, do what you may with this.
Shanrod in the Fred Winter at 4.40 at 20-1.
Local fella owns and he wouldn't give away too much but said that he would be confident of a place.
He had two winners on Friday night at Dundalk, so his horses seem to be in good nick. This could be the lift I need after todays debacle!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerry on March 16, 2010, 10:47:40 PM
anyone else watching rte1 now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on March 16, 2010, 10:49:59 PM
What do yous reckon on Drumbaloo in the last tomorrow?

think its from Magheralin, co down
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: gerry on March 16, 2010, 10:47:40 PM
anyone else watching rte1 now

Cheers for the heads up, would have been watchin Niamh Kavanagh on Podge and feckin Rodge only for ya  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerry on March 16, 2010, 11:03:10 PM
gives a bit of insight of running horse stables
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: goldenyears on March 16, 2010, 11:30:57 PM
Owner of Ballyholland spoke to Nina last Tues in Dundalk + she tipped Sona Mix in Fred Winter tomorrow

Currently at 12s!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 16, 2010, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 16, 2010, 10:49:59 PM
What do yous reckon on Drumbaloo in the last tomorrow?

think its from Magheralin, co down

Could be all shit but I got word for a horse of Oliver Bradys called Seeability Sunday before last at Naas,it was backed in from 9-1 and won at 11-2. The same source gave me Drumbaloo last week.Not sure what to do with it as tips at Cheltenham are ten a penny but it ticks alot of the boxes.

Paul Nolan show on at the mo is excellent.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 16, 2010, 11:58:19 PM
See how twice in the one race (I think it was Joncol's Begineers Chase) he had written him off!! Shows that they genuinely don't know themselves half the time and I say that with all due respect. That was unreal seeing the damage that he did to himself on the way up to Punchestown for the novice chase. They should have followed him this year, showed himself to be clearly the pick of the Irish staying chasers at the moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerry on March 17, 2010, 12:08:11 AM
good show, its like any other business you have to take the good with the bad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 12:23:16 PM
Today's fun e.w. Lucky 15 - horses that could run into a place. One won yesterday at 33/1 to cover the stake and I like to think two others might have placed if not falling or hampered.

1:30 Pennek 25/1
4:00 Andytown 25/1
4:40 Fin Vin De Leu 25/1
5:15 Bubbly Bruce 66/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 17, 2010, 12:36:05 PM
Going for a 2pts e/w Yankee myself today

Peddlers Cross
Long Run
Big Zeb
Al Ferof

Planning on only sticking to the Grade 1s today but we'll see how we go
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 17, 2010, 01:44:26 PM
Its going to sound like a cliche (and it is) but, "thats what its all about"

She gave that horse a helluva ride, the brother is strong in the finish and so in nina, but byjaysus she was a monster.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 17, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Punchestowns & master minded double...this would make my week if this comes in  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 02:32:48 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on March 17, 2010, 01:44:26 PM
Its going to sound like a cliche (and it is) but, "thats what its all about"

She gave that horse a helluva ride, the brother is strong in the finish and so in nina, but byjaysus she was a monster.

Yes that was magic.

Katie's brother is Nina's boyfriend. He was shouting for Katie!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 17, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
This is the worst Cheltenham I have ever had. Getting completely cleaned!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 17, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
f**king nightmare...thats me finished!! master minded will prob be stuffed too..afraid to touch it  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 17, 2010, 03:10:41 PM
Is the racing post live text commentary down too? Cant get into it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on March 17, 2010, 03:25:33 PM
Big Zeb!!!! Whoo hoo!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 03:32:08 PM
Anyone else embarrassed by the flag-waving? Talk about flaunting your inferiority complex and electing your nation as the underdog! Why don't you see the English waving Union Jacks when they win at Cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 17, 2010, 03:36:59 PM
He was foot perfect, had too many question marks for me, but he ran the race of his life today. Fair play to all involved, nice to see an Irish 1-2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: turk on March 17, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 03:32:08 PM
Anyone else embarrassed by the flag-waving? Talk about flaunting your inferiority complex and electing your nation as the underdog! Why don't you see the English waving Union Jacks when they win at Cheltenham?

I'll have to put my hands up Hardy and admit that I don't get it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: turk on March 17, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 03:32:08 PM
Anyone else embarrassed by the flag-waving? Talk about flaunting your inferiority complex and electing your nation as the underdog! Why don't you see the English waving Union Jacks when they win at Cheltenham?

I'll have to put my hands up Hardy and admit that I don't get it

The flag waving or what I'm saying?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: turk on March 17, 2010, 04:31:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: turk on March 17, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 03:32:08 PM
Anyone else embarrassed by the flag-waving? Talk about flaunting your inferiority complex and electing your nation as the underdog! Why don't you see the English waving Union Jacks when they win at Cheltenham?

I'll have to put my hands up Hardy and admit that I don't get it

The flag waving or what I'm saying?

The flag waving!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 04:36:26 PM
It makes me squirm. When are we going to grow up?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 17, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
With the rest of my yankee going down in a blaze of glory I just had to have an interest in Sanctuaire. Glad I took the 13/2  8) Thank God Rubys luck changed. Now keep the powder dry for the bumper and consolidate the unusual occurrence (for me anyway) of back to back winning days at Cheltenham.

Get ready for further flag waving after the bumper Hardy  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 05:22:28 PM
My only selection that came in all day was one I laid at Southwell. Pawning the wife in the morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 17, 2010, 05:25:07 PM
Lack of flag waving little consoliation for you alright! Two favourites in two days, both of them ridden by Ruby and an English winner of the bumper.

One of the weekend business shows was recommending Paddy Power shares last week, now that would have been the punt!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: full back on March 17, 2010, 05:49:43 PM
I cant get a f**king winner for love nor money at the festival.
WTF  :-\

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on March 17, 2010, 06:06:18 PM
best day in a long time two winners two  backed to be placed, 2 winners and a place  out of the 4 in a yankee,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 17, 2010, 08:03:15 PM
QuotePawning the wife in the morning

Any unique selling points my Cork based Meath friend? Is she a Cork woman? If so you'll get shag all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 08:26:21 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 17, 2010, 08:03:15 PM
QuotePawning the wife in the morning

Any unique selling points my Cork based Meath friend? Is she a Cork woman? If so you'll get shag all.

If she had selling points d'ye think I'd be pawning her?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 17, 2010, 09:09:57 PM
She's from Cavan so  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 10:31:25 PM
It's bad, but it's not that bad. A Wee woman.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 17, 2010, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 04:36:26 PM
It makes me squirm. When are we going to grow up?

Why?

Seems to me like a bit of bragging..."take it out of that" don't see much harm in that ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 12:14:08 AM
It's very uncool. Why don't the Brits do it? It makes us look like insecure arseholes who are so unused to a bit of success that we have to crow embarrassingly about it. They act like they expect to win. We act like we're overcome by whatever scraps of success fall from the tables of our betters. In the context of racing, if no other sport, we don't need to remind anyone of how good we are. We should be smiling indulgently at their attempts to compete with us, rather than have them patronising us about how much they enjoy the atmosphere we bring.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 18, 2010, 02:56:06 AM
Quote from: Homer on March 17, 2010, 12:36:05 PM
Going for a 2pts e/w Yankee myself today

Peddlers Cross
Long Run
Big Zeb
Al Ferof

Was roaring the house down for Ruby in the last, but still pays 597.46pts from a 44pt outlay  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 18, 2010, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 12:14:08 AM
It's very uncool. Why don't the Brits do it? It makes us look like insecure arseholes who are so unused to a bit of success that we have to crow embarrassingly about it. They act like they expect to win. We act like we're overcome by whatever scraps of success fall from the tables of our betters. In the context of racing, if no other sport, we don't need to remind anyone of how good we are. We should be smiling indulgently at their attempts to compete with us, rather than have them patronising us about how much they enjoy the atmosphere we bring.

Agree Hardy...I'm usually a fan of the national flag but its best position is at the end of a flag pole not round somebody's shoulders.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on March 18, 2010, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 18, 2010, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 12:14:08 AM
It's very uncool. Why don't the Brits do it? It makes us look like insecure arseholes who are so unused to a bit of success that we have to crow embarrassingly about it. They act like they expect to win. We act like we're overcome by whatever scraps of success fall from the tables of our betters. In the context of racing, if no other sport, we don't need to remind anyone of how good we are. We should be smiling indulgently at their attempts to compete with us, rather than have them patronising us about how much they enjoy the atmosphere we bring.


Agree Hardy...I'm usually a fan of the national flag but its best position is at the end of a flag pole not round somebody's shoulders.

I suppose it is awfully petty to be proud of your country.....shame on us

I guess these countries are also unused to a bit of success......

(http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/17/xin_22208051810342961048117.jpg)

(http://static.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/387/595387.jpg)

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/188376/Olympic_Beijing_400_Meter_Winners.jpg)

(http://insidesports.ph/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/bolt-with-jamaican-flag.jpg)

And surely not, its the butchers apron..... :o

(http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/78992415.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892155F29F61288AC1CA97EF94BC1AD1594A4F38DA7A97FCCE4BB7905C8028D78D83)

Back to some horse talk instead of talking horse manure  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 18, 2010, 10:17:59 AM
My thoughts on this are that if Henrietta Knight had have draped Best Mate in a Union Flag after winning the Lexus Chase, it would have caused a furore with those who enjoy waving a Tricolour whenever they can.

Let's keep it on horse racing folks though, there's plenty of other threads available for sectarian thoughts.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 10:19:20 AM
JohnD - I don't see any horses in those pictures and I don't see any union jacks at Cheltenham (though I won't be surprised if they stock up on them today for retaliation when Big Buck's comes home). If it was only the US waving flags at the Olympics and no other competitor nation, what would we be saying about the yanks?

Don't get me started on the arseholes in the leprechaun get-ups and Guinness hats and how they're showing pride in their country.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 18, 2010, 10:20:02 AM
fecking horrendous day yesterday, won 250 on day one and it was wiped out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 10:22:49 AM
Yesterday was my best day in a long time, started the ball rolling with the Sivola horse in the first, it was a free day after that.  If you win the first it allows you to be a little braver with your cash too.  Sanctuaire was icing on the cake at 11/2, if the plasterer had won I would have been off work for a week!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2010, 11:36:38 AM
Going for

Nicanor
Smoking Aces
Powerstation
A touchbetweenacara

50p ew lucky,  4 wins will send me to spain tonight with a big fcukin smile
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 11:50:23 AM
What a week so far, all nailed on favourites beaten, still going to follow the star tomorrow.
Can get 2/1 for a Big Bucks/Kauto double, decent value?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 18, 2010, 11:52:13 AM
Hardy, the flag waving is down to the Ireland v England in the horse racing world, there is no team events in this sport but the Festival is seen as the only time when the creme de la creme from both sides of the water come up against each other head to head and why the numbers of Irish trained winners are recorded, its all a bit of craic
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 18, 2010, 12:05:57 PM
Similar to the Ryder Cup really. Anyway good luck all today. After the first two i think we are all overdue a wee bit of success.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 18, 2010, 11:52:13 AM
Hardy, the flag waving is down to the Ireland v England in the horse racing world, there is no team events in this sport but the Festival is seen as the only time when the creme de la creme from both sides of the water come up against each other head to head and why the numbers of Irish trained winners are recorded, its all a bit of craic

The flag waving by one side only?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 18, 2010, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 18, 2010, 11:52:13 AM
Hardy, the flag waving is down to the Ireland v England in the horse racing world, there is no team events in this sport but the Festival is seen as the only time when the creme de la creme from both sides of the water come up against each other head to head and why the numbers of Irish trained winners are recorded, its all a bit of craic

The flag waving by one side only?

IN England - its patriotism in the gg world  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Copper Bleu wins the first at 12/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 18, 2010, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Copper Bleu wins the first at 12/1

Matt Chapman's nap of the week The Hollinwell runs horribly.

Did anybody think Copper Bleu took that second horse's ground?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 18, 2010, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 10:31:25 PM
It's bad, but it's not that bad. A Wee woman.

What Club?

Quote from: Homer on March 18, 2010, 02:56:06 AM
Quote from: Homer on March 17, 2010, 12:36:05 PM
Going for a 2pts e/w Yankee myself today
Peddlers Cross
Long Run
Big Zeb
Al Ferof
Was roaring the house down for Ruby in the last, but still pays 597.46pts from a 44pt outlay  :)

Well Done

Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 18, 2010, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Copper Bleu wins the first at 12/1
Matt Chapman's nap of the week The Hollinwell runs horribly.
Did anybody think Copper Bleu took that second horse's ground?

Picked for our NAP table, but didn't have a bet in the real world!

He might have taken his ground, but ended up a good 4 lengths clear and the second hores had loads of time to get back at him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 01:53:42 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on March 18, 2010, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 17, 2010, 10:31:25 PM
It's bad, but it's not that bad. A Wee woman.

What Club?



I doubt she was ever inside a club gate before I came along. And not all that much since. Newtown Blues would be the catchment area.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 18, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
Buena Vista leads all the way in the 2:05
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 18, 2010, 02:16:03 PM
Fcukin hate horses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 18, 2010, 02:16:42 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 18, 2010, 11:47:57 AM
1.30 China Rock 10 e/w
2.05 Buena Vista 10 e/w
2.40 Barbers Shop 10 e/w
3.20 Karabak 10 e/w
4.00 The Sawyer 5 e/w
4.40 Shillingstone 5 e/w

Nice start!  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 18, 2010, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 18, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
Buena Vista leads all the way in the 2:05

Beats Prince Erik, both SP 16/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 18, 2010, 02:48:35 PM
Alberta Run beats Poquelin and Jy Vole

Glad of the faller free bet with VC myself!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 18, 2010, 02:52:49 PM
Christ on a bike...this just isn't funny :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 18, 2010, 03:09:31 PM
the nightmare continues.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 18, 2010, 03:13:04 PM
Friend just race me with a horse that is fancied to win the 3.45 southwell...no 1 Army of Stars...maybe i can get a winner away from cheltenham  ;D :D Currently 7/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 18, 2010, 03:14:09 PM
10/11 on Big Bucks. Felt I had to pile in. That's me for the festival if its beaten.

Disappointed to miss out on Alberta. Always followed that horse and had a bet on it in the King George.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 03:30:06 PM
Ruby delivers the first sure thing of the festival after 3 days, Big Bucks at 5/6
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 18, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
Impressive ride. Don't think Ruby drew the whip once. Cantered home. There was a bit of value in the 10/11, had Nicholls not had a few losing favourites, I'd say he might have be 4/7 or shorter. Ronan Graham thought last week he'd go off at 8/13.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 18, 2010, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on March 18, 2010, 03:13:04 PM
Friend just race me with a horse that is fancied to win the 3.45 southwell...no 1 Army of Stars...maybe i can get a winner away from cheltenham  ;D :D Currently 7/1

IF i had any money left I might have backed it ran a decent 2nd
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 03:55:03 PM
What about the last two lads?  Need a lift somewhere as it is another 10 days to payday  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 18, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 03:55:03 PM
What about the last two lads?  Need a lift somewhere as it is another 10 days to payday  :'(

IF i backed the tide it wouldn't come in  ::) Sunnyhillboy and Ballabriggs  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:03:56 PM
Went for outsider Mrmcgoldrick.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 18, 2010, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:03:56 PM
Went for outsider Mrmcgoldrick.

nice placer Doogie, u should be the one throwing out the tips  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:03:56 PM
Went for outsider Mrmcgoldrick.

Brilliant run from him.

It's a tough ould job when you look at what AP has been through today. So here's a gratuitous swipe at pampered, poncy soccer stars, just for the sake of it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 18, 2010, 04:11:02 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:03:56 PM
Went for outsider Mrmcgoldrick.

Brilliant run from him.

It's a tough ould job when you look at what AP has been through today. So here's a gratuitous swipe at pampered, poncy soccer stars, just for the sake of it.

Always up for that Hardy...no metatarsals in horse racing!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:03:56 PM
Went for outsider Mrmcgoldrick.

Brilliant run from him.

It's a tough ould job when you look at what AP has been through today. So here's a gratuitous swipe at pampered, poncy soccer stars, just for the sake of it.
Didn't see the race, on the BBc website updates he was mentioned as being close so knew I had a sweat.  Few quid back from a bad day SO FAR!

Well said about AP, these lads have some bravery.

What about that p***k McCrirrick's comments about Brian McConnell?  Ted Walsh called him an idiot!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 18, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
Sunnyhill boy gave us a good run for the money, back to where I was at the start of the day. Think I'll have a punt on Nina in the last
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on March 18, 2010, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:03:56 PM
Went for outsider Mrmcgoldrick.

Brilliant run from him.

It's a tough ould job when you look at what AP has been through today. So here's a gratuitous swipe at pampered, poncy soccer stars, just for the sake of it.
Didn't see the race, on the BBc website updates he was mentioned as being close so knew I had a sweat.  Few quid back from a bad day SO FAR!

Well said about AP, these lads have some bravery.

What about that p***k McCrirrick's comments about Brian McConnell?  Ted Walsh called him an idiot!

what did he say????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:32:47 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=43545

Ted Walsh didn't hold back!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2010, 04:34:57 PM
I swear to God them jockeys are brave as lions, but they must be soft in the head as well. Holy bejaysus, AP took a savage fall in the first, the lad is hardly able to walk, never mind trying to control a lunatic animal as well.

Animals, and I don't mean the horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2010, 04:52:25 PM
Ballabriggs takes the last at 9/1, thank god today is over.  Regroup for tomorrow!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
Great stuff from Ted. Is there a more articulate pundit in any sphere, never mind any sport? I can't think how it would be possible to word a put-down better than that.

That odious p***k McCririck is nothing but a bad clown, as Ted suggests, and of course should be ignored. But it would still be hard to stop yourself giving him a root in the hole if you were within radius, for some of the offensive crap he spouts. He was on Geoge Hook's programme the other evening bad mouthing Ireland and the Irish. Among the shite he spewed was that he and the British and German taxpayer were happy to see Ireland getting it in the neck now, since they had freeloaded on Europe for years. He also whinged about anti-English feeling in Ireland, DeValera's condolences on Hitler's death and Ireland's "betrayal" of the UK during the war. On top of all that, he managed to get in his opinion that Ireland's dominant position in racing was based on tax breaks paid for by him and other European taxpayers and finished off with the statement that the Irish liked their leisure and were work shy, unlike the "industrious" British.

A thoroughly hateful piece of shit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 18, 2010, 05:03:47 PM
How "female" doesn't bash his shins every time he says "female" I'll never know.

A knob-end of the highest order.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 18, 2010, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
Great stuff from Ted. Is there a more articulate pundit in any sphere, never mind any sport? I can't think how it would be possible to word a put-down better than that.

That odious p***k McCririck is nothing but a bad clown, as Ted suggests, and of course should be ignored. But it would still be hard to stop yourself giving him a root in the hole if you were within radius, for some of the offensive crap he spouts. He was on Geoge Hook's programme the other evening bad mouthing Ireland and the Irish. Among the shite he spewed was that he and the British and German taxpayer were happy to see Ireland getting it in the neck now, since they had freeloaded on Europe for years. He also whinged about anti-English feeling in Ireland, DeValera's condolences on Hitler's death and Ireland's "betrayal" of the UK during the war. On top of all that, he managed to get in his opinion that Ireland's dominant position in racing was based on tax breaks paid for by him and other European taxpayers and finished off with the statement that the Irish liked their leisure and were work shy, unlike the "industrious" British.

A thoroughly hateful piece of shit.

Was he waving a flag?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 19, 2010, 12:07:33 AM
Two tips:

1- Hardy, you have to go with Meath All Star (or maybe not)

2- The county hurdle is a feckin blood bath
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 10:22:58 AM
Secant Star, well fancied in the board tipping competition, is a NR in the 1:30 (along with Bob's Legend) :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 19, 2010, 11:10:55 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 18, 2010, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
Great stuff from Ted. Is there a more articulate pundit in any sphere, never mind any sport? I can't think how it would be possible to word a put-down better than that.

That odious p***k McCririck is nothing but a bad clown, as Ted suggests, and of course should be ignored. But it would still be hard to stop yourself giving him a root in the hole if you were within radius, for some of the offensive crap he spouts. He was on Geoge Hook's programme the other evening bad mouthing Ireland and the Irish. Among the shite he spewed was that he and the British and German taxpayer were happy to see Ireland getting it in the neck now, since they had freeloaded on Europe for years. He also whinged about anti-English feeling in Ireland, DeValera's condolences on Hitler's death and Ireland's "betrayal" of the UK during the war. On top of all that, he managed to get in his opinion that Ireland's dominant position in racing was based on tax breaks paid for by him and other European taxpayers and finished off with the statement that the Irish liked their leisure and were work shy, unlike the "industrious" British.

A thoroughly hateful piece of shit.

Was he waving a flag?

Thats pretty good Tac  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mikasas on March 19, 2010, 11:33:31 AM
Will any of the other horses feature in the Gold cup, or is it really a two horse race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: mikasas on March 19, 2010, 11:33:31 AM
Will any of the other horses feature in the Gold cup, or is it really a two horse race?

Well some horse has to come third, Cooldine seems to be drifting a bit in early betting soTricky Trickster might be worth an e/w look at 12/1??  However look at my performance in the tipping comp and take a huge dose of salt!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 11:42:48 AM
Quote from: mikasas on March 19, 2010, 11:33:31 AM
Will any of the other horses feature in the Gold cup, or is it really a two horse race?

This is more wide open than the betting suugests, I would not rule out Imperial Commander or Cooldine...  :-\ don't think any of the rest will feature.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 12:13:34 PM
Have a good feeling about 'your the top' in the last today, Barry Geraghty is the jockey for Henderson and the race is in memory of Nicky's late Father.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 19, 2010, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 11, 2010, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 11, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
B J Curley entries
11Mar10    7:00    Me Fein  WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 8
11Mar10    8:00    Aviso WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 13/2

Both horses now NRs.

Today is the day: http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/wolverhampton/21:20/win-market/me-fein
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 12:17:19 PM
Any of you lads think Denman could fall / unseat today again ??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 19, 2010, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: mikasas on March 19, 2010, 11:33:31 AM
Will any of the other horses feature in the Gold cup, or is it really a two horse race?

Betting without the big two available on Betfair:

2.76    Imperial Commander 
3.00    Cooldine
5.70    Tricky Trickster
23.00   Carruthers
21.00   Calgary Bay
36.00   Mon Mome
60.00   My Will
250.00 Cerium
250.00 Mr Pointment

I'm with Denman, but I've also had a small bet on Carruthers in this market because I think the price is generous. He's a good jumper (never fell or unseated), stays well and his last two runs have been decent efforts.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 19, 2010, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: mikasas on March 19, 2010, 11:33:31 AM
Will any of the other horses feature in the Gold cup, or is it really a two horse race?

Well some horse has to come third, Cooldine seems to be drifting a bit in early betting soTricky Trickster might be worth a look at 12/1??  However look at my performance in the tipping comp and take a huge dose of salt!!

Can't see Cooldine being involved. Beaten by Joncol in his last race and at Christmas he was well beaten by a horse who couldn't see off Denman carrying 22lb less.

Wise Men follow the Star.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 19, 2010, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 12:17:19 PM
Any of you lads think Denman could fall / unseat today again ??

Certainly, he could, but so could Kauto. Denman would have preferred it softer, but I think he's drifted far too much in the market on this factor and I've gone bald-headed for the 6.2 on Betfair. Sink or swim time.

You might as well be hung for a sheep as a shepherd.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on March 19, 2010, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 18, 2010, 05:03:47 PM
How "female" doesn't bash his shins every time he says "female" I'll never know.

A knob-end of the highest order.

He truly is a ballbag of the highest order.

If anyone got on like he does in work they would be shown the door.

Only reason he's still there is he's controversial.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pebble-dasher on March 19, 2010, 01:10:57 PM
Olofi in from 20's to 10's in the first race, was told this morning it could place and got it at 20 in toals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: turk on March 19, 2010, 01:17:57 PM
The "bruiser" Denman, according to Colm Murray!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 19, 2010, 01:51:53 PM
Just scalped Kauto  ;) ;) ;) this is a race that i get notoriously wrong each year :D :D would need to change today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 01:52:28 PM
 needs A good day....

1 down already
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 01:57:11 PM
Hoping Ruby can get me one back in the next...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 19, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
for a bit of value i might back kauto to win by between 4 and 10 lengths at 4-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 19, 2010, 02:08:31 PM
Hope that works for you Armagh  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 02:11:26 PM
Good girl Katie!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 02:11:46 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 01:57:11 PM
Hoping Ruby can get me one back in the next...

It's Katie
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 19, 2010, 02:18:17 PM
That'd do your heart good, no matter what you backed. Superb.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on March 19, 2010, 02:18:31 PM
who was that mad eejut on there now that was hoarse, was he the owner?! he seemed full drunk. a brickie from leitrim!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on March 19, 2010, 02:18:31 PM
who was that mad eejut on there now that was hoarse, was he the owner?! he seemed full drunk. a brickie from leitrim!


Pure class - great to see lads like that getting a winner !!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 19, 2010, 02:20:13 PM
At least he wasn't waving a flag.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 02:21:25 PM
A special week for Katie, well done.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 02:23:56 PM
no winner but great race.. fair play katie!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bingobus on March 19, 2010, 02:35:13 PM
Winning trainer Willie Mullins: "I'm delighted and Katie is so cool and a fantastic rider. Even though she rides as an amateur, she's got the brain of a professional and is fit and well. I love putting her up so it's fantastic for her, fantastic for me and everyone".

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but thats the quote of the week for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DirtyDozen12 on March 19, 2010, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: bingobus on March 19, 2010, 02:35:13 PM
Winning trainer Willie Mullins: "I'm delighted and Katie is so cool and a fantastic rider. Even though she rides as an amateur, she's got the brain of a professional and is fit and well. I love putting her up so it's fantastic for her, fantastic for me and everyone".

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but thats the quote of the week for me.

LOL, quote of the week surely  :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 02:48:21 PM
Money is piling in for Denman - Kauto 5/6 now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 19, 2010, 02:50:40 PM
seems that the ground is starting to cut up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 02:48:21 PM
Money is piling in for Denman - Kauto 5/6 now

Kauto just gone 8/11 with Ladbrokes
Cooldine back into 8/1 from 10

Bit of e/w money for outsiders Calgary Bay (tipped for a place by Honest Frank Keogh on the BBC) & Carruthers both at 50/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 02:55:24 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 11, 2010, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on March 11, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Anyone got any notes of Sean Graham's night on Monday

Didn't get to go this year
From an email I was sent yesterday


Naps



MC – The Hollinell (Jewson)

AL – Kalahari King (Champion Chase)

GOB – Captain Cee Bee (Arkle)

RG - Kalahari King (Champion Chase)

CM - Captain Cee Bee (Arkle)



Best Outsiders



AL – Bertie's Dream (Albert Bartlett)

GOB – Frawley (Bumper); China Rock (Jewson)

RG – Clan Tara (4 mile chase)

DN – Something Wells

CM – Scotsirish (Ryanair)

Lynch wasn't telling lies there, I KNEW I read this somewhere when I saw it cross the line  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 02:56:58 PM
One of the Irish news tipsters (Ring?) tipped him as an e/w today too I think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 02:57:25 PM
Going  20e/w with Imperial Commander.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
Carruthers now cut to 40s
Kauto 4/5
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 03:17:52 PM
Tricky trickster taking some money!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 03:17:52 PM
Tricky trickster taking some money!

bookmakers taking some money...  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 03:21:31 PM
Come on the Star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
star near gone!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyroneboi on March 19, 2010, 03:25:51 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
star near gone!

How did Ruby stay on there???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 19, 2010, 03:26:30 PM
gone now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyroneboi on March 19, 2010, 03:26:40 PM
Kauto Star gone!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 03:27:54 PM
Get in there !!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 19, 2010, 03:28:04 PM
bookies win--except for carmen
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 03:28:59 PM
Amazing !!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 03:29:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 02:57:25 PM
Going  20e/w with Imperial Commander.

happy chappy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 03:30:26 PM
jeepers what a race... no thing as a recession for the bookies... what a week they have had!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 03:30:58 PM
Enjoyed that one!
He run some race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 19, 2010, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 12:17:19 PM
Any of you lads think Denman could fall / unseat today again ??

Certainly, he could, but so could Kauto. Denman would have preferred it softer, but I think he's drifted far too much in the market on this factor and I've gone bald-headed for the 6.2 on Betfair. Sink or swim time.

You might as well be hung for a sheep as a shepherd.


Good call Hardy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gallsman on March 19, 2010, 03:31:50 PM
Bookies absolutely loving it. Kauto Star didn't look happy from the start and did well to get up from that fall- right on the neck. Denman beaten for stamina and pace up the hill!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 11:42:48 AM
Quote from: mikasas on March 19, 2010, 11:33:31 AM
Will any of the other horses feature in the Gold cup, or is it really a two horse race?

This is more wide open than the betting suugests, I would not rule out Imperial Commander or Cooldine...  :-\ don't think any of the rest will feature.

can't back them all... bookies loving this festival  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 02:57:25 PM
Going  20e/w with Imperial Commander.

well done..

who you going 4 in the 4.00?  4.40 and 5.15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 19, 2010, 03:35:51 PM
Had a small e/w on Mon Mome who seems toi have come in third.

Bookies hiring forklifts to carry home the cash I hear.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 19, 2010, 03:37:29 PM
20 EW on mon mome...about f**king time got some money back
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 03:39:08 PM
am wondering if i should put on another few bets or just leave it be ............

have won feck all!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 03:39:27 PM
4.00 Cheltenham - E/W Baby Run @ 6/1
4:40 Cheltenham  –  E/W  Peveril 8/1
5:15 Cheltenham  –  E/W Free World 8/1

thats me finished after that...  :D  :D

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cookstownblue on March 19, 2010, 03:39:34 PM
Quote from: new devil on March 19, 2010, 03:37:29 PM
20 EW on mon mome...about f**king time got some money back

Nice bet!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 03:41:32 PM
Gonna lash my last fourpence hapenny on C'est Ca in the 4:40...then take to the drink.  Thank feck this is the last day of Cheltenham :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 03:44:34 PM
Done decent yesterday, with nice e/w on Powerstation 33/1
and had Ballabriggs 9/1 in the last.

Leenie have 10e/w on Dun Doire in the next, but do you want me to tell you about all the horses i have backed that havent even made it onto the telly during the race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 03:47:15 PM
Denman for next year's Grand National ??? Did I hear that right ???    ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 03:48:06 PM
have dun doire myself...

just gonna put on very small bets on a few others just in the hope....  (thank god its over today, can feel the gambler coming out in me)

not lookin at another horse til the national!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 03:50:06 PM
I have managed to get a few pence together for the last few races, Kilty Storm e/w in the next.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 19, 2010, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 19, 2010, 03:47:15 PM
Denman for next year's Grand National ??? Did I hear that right ???    ???

Natural move for Denman.

Ran a gallant race today but Imperial Commander was fantastic. Delighted for Paddy Brennan.

Real pity with Kauto but he'll be back
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 03:51:52 PM
strong word for GIULIETTA DA VINCI in the 4.25 at Lingers  ;) 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 04:08:11 PM
Baby Storm all the way! nice sammy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 19, 2010, 04:09:33 PM
Go on the baby  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
about bloody time  :D  :D finish off on a high; its all about stamina lads  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 04:14:17 PM
 >:( tis a quiet weekend ahead...

unless radium and you're on top come through for me
smaller bets= born again and safari journey......
         
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 04:15:37 PM
The only hateful thing is, is that i have to lift my winnings in the Bar down the street! Not good so early on a Friday  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 19, 2010, 04:15:37 PM
The only hateful thing is, is that i have to lift my winnings in the Bar down the street! Not good so early on a Friday  :)
You bastid  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 19, 2010, 04:33:57 PM
I'm going to Dennis Dorans for a rope >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
C'est Ca must be French for "Good money after bad"!! :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 19, 2010, 04:51:26 PM
What a massacre  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 04:51:51 PM
thank you radium..... at least i can retrieve something...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 19, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
last one, Nomecheki or Russian Flag, wee each way punt to see out a terrible week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 19, 2010, 05:31:49 PM
5:15

1. Pigeon Island 16-1
2. French Opera 10-1
3. Consigliere 16-1
4. Cornas 16-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 19, 2010, 06:14:29 PM
thank fcuk the pain is over, that was a pure guessing game  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 19, 2010, 06:23:17 PM
feckin good job its once a yr....

probably be back on this thread for the national, but thats it!

cheerio
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 19, 2010, 06:24:46 PM
W'Hampton
Aviso 4/1
Me Fein EVS
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 19, 2010, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 19, 2010, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 11, 2010, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 11, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
B J Curley entries
11Mar10    7:00    Me Fein  WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 8
11Mar10    8:00    Aviso WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 13/2

Both horses now NRs.

Today is the day: http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/wolverhampton/21:20/win-market/me-fein

3/1 into 5/6 and wins  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 19, 2010, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 19, 2010, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 19, 2010, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 11, 2010, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 11, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
B J Curley entries
11Mar10    7:00    Me Fein  WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 8
11Mar10    8:00    Aviso WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) (Overnight), 13/2

Both horses now NRs.

Today is the day: http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/wolverhampton/21:20/win-market/me-fein

3/1 into 5/6 and wins  :)

About my only winner all week!!!   >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 19, 2010, 11:24:42 PM
Have to say lads i took some hit this year and TBH i will never gamble like that again...Cheltenham or no Cheltenham. The bookies raped the punter this year and bar Big Bucks winning it would have been a complete white wash. i reckon there will be a lot of people taking a few months to recover from that crop...NEVER AGAIN :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 20, 2010, 12:10:07 AM
It really was a magnificently awful Cheltenham all round. 26 races just gone and I couldn't tell you the names of half the winners as it was a string of non-entities.

I'll decide sort of summed it up above, but the experience of this has to be bad for the industry in the long run. Favourites get beat every day of the week, but normally because a 2nd or 3rd favourites hits a good run, and not because the favourite just didn't figure at all - which must have happened a dozen times this week. Over half the tricasts were four figures.

Somebody somewhere must know wy so many fancied horses ran like f**kers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Jen Cui on March 20, 2010, 04:29:26 AM
Mayo for Sam 2010
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Watcher Pat on March 20, 2010, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2010, 12:10:07 AM
It really was a magnificently awful Cheltenham all round. 26 races just gone and I couldn't tell you the names of half the winners as it was a string of non-entities.

I'll decide sort of summed it up above, but the experience of this has to be bad for the industry in the long run. Favourites get beat every day of the week, but normally because a 2nd or 3rd favourites hits a good run, and not because the favourite just didn't figure at all - which must have happened a dozen times this week. Over half the tricasts were four figures.

Somebody somewhere must know wy so many fancied horses ran like f**kers.

Possibly due to really bad winter/ 2-3 weeks snow etc. The trainers could not get the times on the gallops or runs at tracks thus sort of leveling out the fields. Thats my take on it anyway for what its worth...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 20, 2010, 10:38:34 AM
I'm heading to NAMA  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on March 20, 2010, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Jen Cui on March 20, 2010, 04:29:26 AM
Mayo for Sam 2010

Once a gambler/mug ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on March 20, 2010, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 20, 2010, 10:38:34 AM
I'm heading to NAMA  :-[

Seanie Fitzpatrick is more liquid than me at the minute!! 

It was a bloodbath for punters.  One guy I met who is a serious horse man didn't get in the frame all week!  By Friday it was total guess work.  Never again...when is the Grand National?? :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on March 20, 2010, 11:37:56 AM
Only back from the Gold cup day....never again!

never seen crowds (and results) like it!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 20, 2010, 02:07:24 PM
for all you wound lickers

Buffalo bob
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on March 20, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
what race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 20, 2010, 02:23:51 PM
The race was half over when he posted it...it came 2nd
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 20, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 20, 2010, 02:07:24 PM
for all you wound lickers

Buffalo bob
Try again with MISTER PETE  ;)

2.50 Newcastle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 20, 2010, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 20, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 20, 2010, 02:07:24 PM
for all you wound lickers

Buffalo bob
Try again with MISTER PETE  ;)

2.50 Newcastle
::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 20, 2010, 05:18:12 PM
French ties 7/1 in the last at newcastle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 20, 2010, 05:34:01 PM
u get word for it winsamsoon??? its currently 9/2 now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 20, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
got word for it the first time it won and it pissed up at a big price. ran two mediocre runs after that but is in with a chance today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 20, 2010, 05:45:36 PM
like the look of Al Farahidi  at lingfield in the next race...good luck with urs!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 20, 2010, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 20, 2010, 05:18:12 PM
French ties 7/1 in the last at newcastle

Unplaced  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 20, 2010, 05:52:42 PM
Pig Frank think by the looks of that it needs a longer trip or else a gun. Sorry lad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 20, 2010, 05:54:26 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on March 20, 2010, 05:45:36 PM
like the look of Al Farahidi  at lingfield in the next race...good luck with urs!

won at 10/3  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 20, 2010, 05:56:05 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 20, 2010, 05:52:42 PM
Pig Frank think by the looks of that it needs a longer trip or else a gun. Sorry lad.

Def a gun...horse in first won by 30 lengths... wigan kept my footy bet goin earlier so fingers crossed for a decent weekend!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 20, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Hope u down urs i missed it at 5/2 in running by a fraction of a sec >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: souljaboy on March 20, 2010, 07:19:25 PM
I see some owner wasnt to happy with fallon today at lingfield

http://www.attheraces.com/article.aspx?hlid=507735&raceid=&title=Fallon+in+Lingfield+drama&lid=&ref=PA+Racing+Feed&nav=&sub=&day=Sat
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 21, 2010, 12:28:47 AM
Off topic I know but Longford are 500/1 on with Paddypower to beat Kilkenny in football later today.

Lads (and lassies) put the pension fund on it.

(for the slow 100 euro gamble will return 20 cent)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2010, 11:33:05 PM
Well it was tough going over in the Cottswolds last week. First race set the tone for the whole meet. There were plenty of long faces around the Guinness Village after Dunguib got turned over. I felt sorry for O'Connell because he was clearly riding to instruction and he probably carried out those instructions to a tee (hold him up, keep wide out of trouble and look to produce him at the last). Problem was those tactics were clearly wrong for the horse and more importantly the race. Winning the Deloitte over 2m2 in soft ground against moderate stayers the way he did probably created a false impression in Fenton's head. They were giving speed horses like Menorah and Get Me Out Of Here a fifteen length head-start off an unusually sedate pace on Tuesday and by the time Dunguib was put in the race they had already flown. I have no doubt in my mind he is a superior horse to those two and had he been ridden handier I think he'd have beaten them. I hope they come over to Punchestown because if Dunguib is ridden like he was in his bumpers he'll beat them. Have him handy all the way and kick on two out. 10/1 for next year's Champion could look quite big.

Dunguib's defeat was in a strange way a blessing in disguise. If he'd won I'd probably have had big punts on both Captain Cee Bee and Go Native. Captain Cee Bee burst like he did at Aintree and Go Native never really looked to be travelling after his mistake. Two horses I'd given up on having followed them off a cliff winning those races rubbed salt in the wounds - Sicknote Sizing Europe and Binocular. Got a bit of 5/2 about Quevega on track in the morning so Willie/Ruby probably saved me from an alcohol free Patrick's Day!

Got off to a flyer on Wednesday with Poker De Sivola. He could have won a at the festival last year when Nina had a bit of a shocker on him. Very ironic that Katie got the best out of him this year beating Nina home in an epic Kildare v Meath scrap up the hill. Had a big e/w bet on Peddlers Cross (I flagged him up here on p251). I definitely think he is the one horse to take out of the meeting. He looks a proper machine and I hope they go the Kicking King/War Of Attrition route with him now - Arkle next year followed by the Gold Cup. Layed Master Minded as well to ensure there was plenty of porter drank on Wednesday night.

Kept my powder dry for the most part on Thursday. I was probably too hungover to study the form properly! Took on our horses in the Triumph with Soldatino and I think I owe Barry Geraghty a fair percentage of my winnings on that one. Katie did the business again on Thousand Stars in the County Hurdle - big thanks to the generous English bookie chap who layed me 33/1. Took on the Nicholls pair in the Gold Cup due to the 10yo stat but I went for Cooldine over Imperial Commander unfortunately. Terrific race though and I must admit I was slightly pleased to see both the Nicholls pair beaten given the way the press have been harping on for the past few months. The hacks in the Racing Post would have a two page spread foe everytime that Paul Nicholls farts. We were considering leaving before the Grand Annual to beat the traffic but thankfully we didn't. I backed Pigeon Island purely on the basis that he was rated 35lbs less over fences than he was over hurdles. He went off favourite for the best Supreme Novices in recent years only two seasons ago and now he was bottom weight in a handicap chase at 20/1 - what a way to round off a rollercoaster week!

Highlights
Katie Walsh's two wins - Ruby who?
Peddlers Cross - future superstar
Quevega - fabulous mare, she'll win that race for years to come if she stays sound
The Guinness Village
The Twiston-Davies show on Friday
Forpadydeplasterer and Big Zeb going at it hammer and tongs coming down the hill - great to see two Irish chasers dominating a Championship race
Witnessing a horse I rode work on myself many moons (and lbs) ago running an absolute cracker at NH racing's Olympics

Lowlights
Dunguib - I'm going to find it hard to make a profit punting this year now unless St Nicholas Abbey can win the Derby and land my 14/1 antepost bet (worked well today at the Curragh)
Champion Hurdle - Nicky Henderson pulled a bit of a Jim Bolger with Binocular. Still think Hurricane Fly would have beaten that field easily
The Formbook - What a useless guide it was last week. Berties Dream in the 3m novice took the biscuit. How can a horse that couldn't win a handicap off a mark of 100 at Galway last summer win a Grade 1?
The post-Patrick's Day hangover
Irish horses handicap marks - only one handicap winner for the second year in a row. We're clearly getting harshly treated
Thurday's card - back to three days please. The Stayers Hurdle should not be a stand alone race. Its for horses who are too slow for the Champion and can't jump well enough for the Gold Cup
The Martin Pipe Conditional Jockeys Handicap Hurdle - why do we have this race at the festival? Pure muck race
The Bumper - an English 1-2? WTF!
Its another 51 weeks until we do it all again!



Only 5 days till the Lincoln  :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on March 22, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
DH,

Interested in your opinion on this,I thought the performance of Paddy Brennan and McCoy in the Gold Cup was the highlight of the meeting. I think it was 4 or 5 from home but the pair put in jumps that where breathtaking. Binocular is a hard one to work out, how was he beat last year is a question I havent been able to answer or is it simply that he is a bit of a mule?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 22, 2010, 11:16:33 AM
That was my worst festival ever. Got absolutely hammered by the bookie. After a few good years the bookie def got their own back on the punter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 22, 2010, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on March 22, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
DH,

Interested in your opinion on this,I thought the performance of Paddy Brennan and McCoy in the Gold Cup was the highlight of the meeting. I think it was 4 or 5 from home but the pair put in jumps that where breathtaking. Binocular is a hard one to work out, how was he beat last year is a question I havent been able to answer or is it simply that he is a bit of a mule?

The Gold Cup was a fantastic spectacle and I must admit, I thought Imperial Commander's stamina would empty going down to the second last but he kept galloping all the way to the line. I think Nicholls really missed a trick with Denman in not trying a pair of blinkers or cheekpieces on him. I've heard a lot of people saying that Kauto Star was still in with every chance when he fell but to me he looked well beat. Ruby gave him a reminder down the back and in truth he has probably been in decline for a year or two now. He beat a load of trees in the King George when IC was clearly wrong (the worst field he's ever beaten at Kempton) and it fooled everyone into thinking he was better than ever. The staying chase division will look an awful lot different next year I think.

Imperial Commander is only a year younger than the Nicholls pair so it is no certainty that he will be top of the tree for years to come. An Siorrac, Weapons Amnesty, Sizing Europe, Somersby, Pandorama, Cooldine (with a full campaign under his belt) and Long Run (provided they put a proper jockey up) could all be in the Gold Cup picture next season.

Binocular had the form in the book going back to his comprehensive defeats of Celestial Halo at both Aintree and Ascot a few years ago but he'd never done it at Cheltenham. I assume he's a suspect stayer so he needs really good ground to get a stiff two miles. Its hard to explain his runs in the Fighting Fifth and the Christmas Hurdle but I suspect he was going through a growth spurt at the time and that is what caused his lack of fluency at his obstacles. The hurdling division is very weak at the moment (A stayer in Big Bucks is the top rated) and it won't take much improvement out of this year's novices to reach the top level. Hurricane Fly is potentially the most exciting hurdler since Istabraq but there have to be doubts about him now given that he has missed the last two festivals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 23, 2010, 12:15:23 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8582315.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8582315.stm)

Some gambling in this game isn't there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 23, 2010, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Declan on March 23, 2010, 12:15:23 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8582315.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8582315.stm)

Some gambling in this game isn't there

Even Sea the Stars, the greatest of them all, has "staying" problems  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 23, 2010, 05:02:01 PM
120 rides a year? I want to come back as a horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 23, 2010, 05:04:54 PM
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Giggidy!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/aloha3123/dya_6giggidy.gif)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 23, 2010, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on March 23, 2010, 05:02:01 PM
120 rides a year? I want to come back as a horse.

Just make sure you're not a national hunt horse ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on March 25, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
3.50 ayr.. PHONE IN 17-2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 26, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
Disappointing enough fields for the Guineas trials at Leopardstown on Sunday. Ballydoyle's horses looked a bit behind at the Curragh on Sunday so I wouldn't be backing any of them until May at the earliest. Tommy Stack will probably be the man to follow again.

Speaking of Ballydoyle horses I've been hearing very good things about an unbeaten Galileo colt called Cape Blanco. Murtagh was very impressed with how he worked at the Curragh last weekend. I'm already sitting on a 14/1 voucher on St Nicholas Abbey for Epsom but I may have an e/w saver on this lad. I wouldn't be getting too excited about any of the English colts and Godolphin are up to their old tricks already with Kingsfort already on the easy list. O'Brien would've trained the first four home in the Derby last year if it wasn't for Sea The Stars!
Title: Uimhir
Post by: drici on March 26, 2010, 02:37:01 PM
Quote from: new devil on March 25, 2010, 03:45:39 PM

3.50 ayr.. PHONE IN 17-2


Rang 172 a couple of times to get the tip for the 3-50 Ayr but a voice just comes on saying 'the number you have dialled has not been recognised.'
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 27, 2010, 12:12:20 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on March 12, 2010, 05:39:25 PM
Watched that programme with Paul Nolan on BBC4 last night. It was a very good insight into the horses environment, thoroughly enjoyed it even though I missed the first half of it. Think its being shown on Monday night on RTE.

For those of you who might have missed this last week – it's online here:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/highlights.html?2720193,2720193,flash,256 (http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/highlights.html?2720193,2720193,flash,256) (Probably Ireland only)

Excellent documentary and well worth the watch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 27, 2010, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 26, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
Disappointing enough fields for the Guineas trials at Leopardstown on Sunday. Ballydoyle's horses looked a bit behind at the Curragh on Sunday so I wouldn't be backing any of them until May at the earliest. Tommy Stack will probably be the man to follow again.

Speaking of Ballydoyle horses I've been hearing very good things about an unbeaten Galileo colt called Cape Blanco. Murtagh was very impressed with how he worked at the Curragh last weekend. I'm already sitting on a 14/1 voucher on St Nicholas Abbey for Epsom but I may have an e/w saver on this lad. I wouldn't be getting too excited about any of the English colts and Godolphin are up to their old tricks already with Kingsfort already on the easy list. O'Brien would've trained the first four home in the Derby last year if it wasn't for Sea The Stars!

Hope you listened to yourself DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 28, 2010, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 27, 2010, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 26, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
Disappointing enough fields for the Guineas trials at Leopardstown on Sunday. Ballydoyle's horses looked a bit behind at the Curragh on Sunday so I wouldn't be backing any of them until May at the earliest. Tommy Stack will probably be the man to follow again.

Speaking of Ballydoyle horses I've been hearing very good things about an unbeaten Galileo colt called Cape Blanco. Murtagh was very impressed with how he worked at the Curragh last weekend. I'm already sitting on a 14/1 voucher on St Nicholas Abbey for Epsom but I may have an e/w saver on this lad. I wouldn't be getting too excited about any of the English colts and Godolphin are up to their old tricks already with Kingsfort already on the easy list. O'Brien would've trained the first four home in the Derby last year if it wasn't for Sea The Stars!

Hope you listened to yourself DH

Noll Wallop at 5s into 7/2 romps home in the 2000 Guineas trial. Hope you were on Homer.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 28, 2010, 04:55:20 PM
He's only gone and done it again in the maiden with Mister Carter at 12/1.

Follow the form - Stack and Lordan for me until this winning streak ends. Ballygologue at 8/1 in the next worth a few bob e/w for the 4 places.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 28, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
Early season differences in stable form are huge. Laying the O'Brien horses today like picking money off trees. They seem a month behind everyone else, like most seasons.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 28, 2010, 05:31:42 PM
Ballygologue gets the place money. Have to wait until next weekend when the Stack bandwagon rolls into Mallow for my next bet!  :D

Ballydoyle are always miles off the pace up until the Guineas yet their 3yo maidens will all go off at short prices even though they were either too backward to run last year or not good enough to win late season maidens as 2yos. Happens every single April yet people must still be backing them.

Prendergast and Stack always clean up at this time of year before falling away mid-summer. It might lack the excitement of the jumps but the flat season is far more predictable. Just wait for Godolphin to get rolling across the water. They'll run like goats until after Royal Ascot before coming into form in late-summer/autumn.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 29, 2010, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 28, 2010, 04:44:20 PM

Noll Wallop at 5s into 7/2 romps home in the 2000 Guineas trial. Hope you were on Homer.  ;)

Nope, haven't had cent on anything since Cheltenham.

Nicely called all the same DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 29, 2010, 02:10:41 PM
Secretive in the 3.40 and Deep Pockets in the 4pm today are decent e/w bets for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2010, 10:11:25 PM
Been looking through the Irish National weights for next week and Ballytrim sticks out like a sore thumb at the prices. Saddlers Storm needs a rake of withdrawals to even get in but the Martin factor has him as favourite. I think Ballytrim will take over as favourite when it's confirmed that Ruby rides him. Still available at 14/1.

Having a small e/w nibble on both Telenor and Alpha Ridge too given the excellent record of novices in this. Still available at 20/1 with the Magic Sign.

Noticed a lot of money for Arbor Supreme today in the English National market today. I fancied him for Aintree last year but he went for Fairyhouse instead. I think he's Ireland's best chance of a winner at Aintree looking at the ridiculous marks allotted to some of our horses. Can't believe McCoy is passing him over for one of Jonjo's yaks. His loss and Townend's gain I suppose. Maljimar at 40/1 is the value among the English horses - very reliable handicapper who has had the Silver Birch prep over the Cheltenham X-Country course.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on March 29, 2010, 10:16:15 PM
Hopefully Hardy will do his customary Aintree Grand national analysis this year again. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 30, 2010, 08:58:49 AM
I probably will, but after last year you should probably ignore it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on March 30, 2010, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 30, 2010, 08:58:49 AM
I probably will, but after last year you should probably ignore it.

Well I for one have found it's done more good than harm these past few years.  It's never an exact science over the jumps anyway but every little bit of info helps. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 30, 2010, 09:50:51 AM
While we are waiting for Hardy....

http://www.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-form.php

There has been one big stat to go in each of lasty two years 2008 - blinkers, 2009 - french bred .

The other thing that has happenned is that the world and his mother know about these stats now so there is at least a possibility that the best fits are over bet. Picking something that fails one stat (you decide) at a bigger price might be a better strategy. Might also be worth waiting to see what weather does - if the forecast rain comes horses like Flintoff and Whinstone boy might get in at bottom of the weights and should go well on soft.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 30, 2010, 10:39:44 AM
Quote from: Mac hinery on March 30, 2010, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 30, 2010, 08:58:49 AM
I probably will, but after last year you should probably ignore it.

Well I for one have found it's done more good than harm these past few years.  It's never an exact science over the jumps anyway but every little bit of info helps.

Its hardly an exact science on the flat either  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: CentreHalfBack on March 30, 2010, 03:39:05 PM
3:00 NOVICE HANDICAP 2m 4f

Miss Saffron @ 11/4 (GP) (Win)   £22.50

Maybe this is the year for Antrim  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on March 30, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
Denman to run in the Scottish Grand National:

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.sd?story=698007&ac=top&todT_id=1269961481.0139
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 30, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
Denman to run in the Scottish Grand National:

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.sd?story=698007&ac=top&todT_id=1269961481.0139

I thought last week it was Punchestown he was heading for.

How many times do Nicholls/Barber/Findlay want to prove that they've got an iron horse on their hands to justify all 'The Tank' bullsh1t they come out with? The Hennessy this year was a brutal race and has undoubtedly left its mark on him. They'd already proved he could do it under top weight and they wanted him to prove it again. Horses aren't machines and I've a feeling it will all end in tears one day for 'The Tank'.

They probably deserve credit for having the balls to run him in handicaps and not wrapping him up in cotton wool like Kauto Star/Best Mate but I think both those horses have proved that you have to look after these top staying chasers if you want them to come back year after year. Back in the Arkle/Flyingbolt era you had to run in handicaps but there's a whole host of conditions chases these days where your horse won't have as hard a race. Who would he have to beat in the Guinness Gold Cup? Cooldine and Joncol off level weights  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 31, 2010, 03:28:27 PM
whats the chances of fairyhouse being cancelled on monday.....

if so i'll be raging as i am going and it will be my first race meeting..... :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 31, 2010, 03:45:12 PM
bookies

fairyhouse to be called off           5/6
fairyhouse not to be called off     5/6

that tells me nothing!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 01, 2010, 12:24:41 AM
Good drying day today. I'd say we'll race alright. It'll be bottomless though.

You should have waited for Punchestown Leenie! Much better festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 01, 2010, 08:21:42 AM
Any thoughts on the Irish national ? Had been looking at that Beroni but i think it has since been pulled out of it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 01, 2010, 02:02:43 PM
Given what Donnelly said, something that loves the mud and stays longer than the mother in law!! Not the ground for carrying big weights but a race that often has plenty of horse running from out of the handicap! (That was no use at all, I know  ;D )


Hope the feck it goes ahead, I assume the sensible thing is to pull Sunday (or at least any chase races) to give the ground every chance for Monday? They are inspecting at the moment:
http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=43825
Hope all goes well, looking forward to an afternoon in the club to enjoy the races   :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on April 01, 2010, 02:36:01 PM
Illicit 4 40 folkestone each way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 01, 2010, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 01, 2010, 02:36:01 PM
Illicit 4 40 folkestone each way

Haven't seen a tip from you before Shane, so I am trusting you and have put the money for the kids, wife, mother and mother inlaws easter eggs on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on April 01, 2010, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 01, 2010, 12:24:41 AM
Good drying day today. I'd say we'll race alright. It'll be bottomless though.

You should have waited for Punchestown Leenie! Much better festival.

ya never know i could get the buzz and go there too....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: CentreHalfBack on April 01, 2010, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on April 01, 2010, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 01, 2010, 02:36:01 PM
Illicit 4 40 folkestone each way

Haven't seen a tip from you before Shane, so I am trusting you and have put the money for the kids, wife, mother and mother inlaws easter eggs on it.

Ditto. Lets hope this is not one of O'Neills April Fools.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: CentreHalfBack on April 01, 2010, 04:25:39 PM
4.40 @ Folkestone now going off @5.15

4.10 now going of @ 4.40
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 01, 2010, 05:20:03 PM
eggless
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 02, 2010, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: maddog on April 01, 2010, 08:21:42 AM
Any thoughts on the Irish national ? Had been looking at that Beroni but i think it has since been pulled out of it.

Alpha Ridge and an e.w. on Double Dizzy for me. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 04, 2010, 12:51:25 AM
Trappy card at Fairyhouse tomorrow. The ground will ensure it'll take some getting and I can't see any real betting proposition tomorrow. Zaarito is a worthy fav for the Powers but his jumping lets him down too often. I liked Forty Foot Tom on debut but I understand a sale to Dr Lambe fell through recently (was due to go into training with Jim Culloty) because of some physical problem the horse had. I'll be keeping a watching brief on him in the bumper with a view to Punchestown.

Tommy Stack has two unraced horses in the maidens down at Mallow tomorrow. Keep an eye out for any positive market moves.

Looking ahead to Monday I've had a few bob e/w on Paul Flynn's Bronte Bay at a massive price for the National. He's yet to win a chase but he ran respectably behind the favourite Saddlers Storm last time out (bt 11L) and has a small pull in the weights. Should stay the trip well and will handle the ground having won a maiden hurdle over three miles in a bog at Navan a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 04, 2010, 07:57:49 AM
cheers DH, still recovering from Cheltenham so been very quiet on the gg front for me

Luska Lad is a great wee horse and will always give you a run for your money another good horse is Gemini Storm running at Towcester this afternoon

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 04, 2010, 02:50:32 PM
The Stacks have done it again down at Mallow with Lolly For Dolly in the fillies maiden. Well backed and scooted up.

That Luska Lad is one tough horse Sammy. It's a pity he's not as good left handed though. He looks like he'll make a lovely chaser.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 04, 2010, 03:01:52 PM
Strangely the second Stack runner is drifting. Blasket Spirit 9.4 on Betfair from as low as 4 (for small money). I'd have thought the bandwagon would be well and truly rolling and punters would be backing any donkey with the Stack name in the trainer column. I'm dumb enough to follow the trend anyhow because you'd be kicking yourself if it went in too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 04, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
Zaarito goes arse over head yet again. How many Grade 1s will this horse throw away? That's three this season - Irish Arkle, the Moriarty & the Powers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 04, 2010, 09:12:21 PM
nice little double landed this afternoon  :D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on April 05, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
Does anyone know what the story is about the runners for the aintree grand national ?

Is it today that the list of runners gets confirmed and how is it decided what horses will run etc.  ?

I've a couple of ridiculous ante-post bets waiting to go up in smoke !

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on April 05, 2010, 11:44:41 AM
Saturn girl in the 2.15 yarmouth,out to win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 05, 2010, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 05, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
Does anyone know what the story is about the runners for the aintree grand national ?

Is it today that the list of runners gets confirmed and how is it decided what horses will run etc.  ?

I've a couple of ridiculous ante-post bets waiting to go up in smoke !



Final declaratiions on Thursday. 10:00 a.m., I think. The top 40 declared horses in the handicap get in. There's a list of substitutes that get in in listed order if others drop out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 05, 2010, 02:57:35 PM
Mr Rainbow in the 4.55 @ Redcar is fancied to win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 05, 2010, 03:28:24 PM
Aviso wins!!! Fcuker...

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 05, 2010, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 05, 2010, 02:57:35 PM
Mr Rainbow in the 4.55 @ Redcar is fancied to win

sweet on that aswell Sammy and the sports live guys have made it their nap
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 05, 2010, 05:26:34 PM
Ruby gets the treble up on Psycho.

Impressed by that Gigginstown horse in the p2p championship bumper. Must be a very good animal to stay going when everything else in the race fell out of the screen.

It enhances First Lieutenant's reputation even more. He is rumoured to be the best of all Michael O'Leary's young horses. Definitely one for the ten-to-follow next year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 05, 2010, 05:27:46 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 05, 2010, 02:57:35 PM
Mr Rainbow in the 4.55 @ Redcar is fancied to win

what a load of pish
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 05, 2010, 05:49:39 PM
Lads, (and lassies - Treas!)

Myself and a few friends of mine are thinking about heading down to Punchestown for a day during the festival in a fortnight. It'll be my first day at the races so I'm really looking forward to it. Basically I was looking a bit of advice on which day would be best to go. I'm tempted by the Tuesday as Dunguib and Menorah are both entered for the novice hurdle and Big Zeb, Master Minded and Sizing Europe are all entered for the 2 mile chase. But I notice that Dunguib is entered for the champion hurdle on the Friday which looks like a cracking race.

Has Fenton indicated which he's going to run Dunguib in? And could you be sure Nicholls will take over Master Minded? He did last year I know but that was after a much better run. I'm guessing Denman will be scratched from the Guinness Gold Cup if he's running the Scottish National.

So basically any advice appreciated!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 5 Sams on April 05, 2010, 06:06:42 PM
Well done to Andrew MacNamara.....a few boys in Ballyholland a few quid better off after talking to him in our club last night.....what's the chances of a Fairyhouse/Aintree double :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 05, 2010, 06:25:06 PM
It depends what you want out of a day's racing really TAM.

If you're there for the piss up then Friday is definitely the best. It always draws the biggest crowd and there'll be plenty of well turned out fillies around!

Wednesday will normally draw a big enough crowd too. I don't think the Guinness Gold Cup will be a particularly great renewal this year unless Denman swerves Ayr. A rematch of the Hennessy of Joncol v Cooldine is the best you'll get I'd say.

I usually go on Tuesday and it is normally much quieter than Wednesday and Friday. Not the same buzz around Naas but the traffic isn't as bad and it's far easier to move around on track. Shaping up to be a good card this year too. I doubt Dunguib will run on Friday especially now that Hurricane Fly is likely to be back for that (Captain Cee Bee likely to run in the Champion Hurdle too I understand). He'll renew rivalry with Menorah. The Kerrygold that day could be a right good contest - Big Zeb, Forpadydeplasterer, Kalahari King, Twist Magic and possibly Master Minded & Sizing Europe. The staying novice chase doesn't look great with Weapons Amnesty, Long Run and Punchestowns not in it but hopefully Pandorama will be back.

Rule out Thursday and Saturday straight away which are both just filler days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on April 06, 2010, 12:21:25 PM
was at fairyhouse yesterday, just one winner but it was mighty craic!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 06, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
I've heard word for "We don't do panic" in the 5 10 at Fairyhouse. Same source had an 8/1 winner on Saturday and a 12/1 2nd the week before. Comes through a former prominent poster on this thread!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on April 06, 2010, 05:09:22 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 06, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
I've heard word for "We don't do panic" in the 5 10 at Fairyhouse. Same source had an 8/1 winner on Saturday and a 12/1 2nd the week before. Comes through a former prominent poster on this thread!

some money being put on here now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 06, 2010, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: Family guy on April 06, 2010, 05:09:22 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 06, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
I've heard word for "We don't do panic" in the 5 10 at Fairyhouse. Same source had an 8/1 winner on Saturday and a 12/1 2nd the week before. Comes through a former prominent poster on this thread!

some money being put on here now

Wasted money too. Ah well I can't complain too much since I got the winner on Saturday. Apologies to any of youse lads who backed it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 06, 2010, 05:21:30 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 06, 2010, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: Family guy on April 06, 2010, 05:09:22 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 06, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
I've heard word for "We don't do panic" in the 5 10 at Fairyhouse. Same source had an 8/1 winner on Saturday and a 12/1 2nd the week before. Comes through a former prominent poster on this thread!

some money being put on here now

Wasted money too. Ah well I can't complain too much since I got the winner on Saturday. Apologies to any of youse lads who backed it.

never mind, tricky getting winners today at Fairyhouse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 07, 2010, 01:28:58 PM
Cracking card to kick off the National meet at Aintree tomorrow. The key is as always to find the horses who you think have come out of Cheltenham fresh.

It's hard to oppose the Cheltenham form of Big Bucks in the first but 1/3 for a horse who often hits a flat spot around a speed track like Liverpool - he's too short for me. I'll be having a very small e/w bet on Possol in the hope that a return to hurdles will reignite his enthusiasm. Ran respectably in the 3 mile novice at Cheltenham and he might just run on into a place at a massive price.

The 4yo hurdle looks very competitive. Sanctuaire bolted up in the Fred Winter but that was a handicap and I think he's worth taking on at the likely skinny price. Nicky Henderson won the Triumph Hurdle but he sends Super Kenny here instead of Soldatino. That's a tip in itself and I reckon he could be an e/w price tomorrow. 9/2 in the morning would be nice! I can't see the track suiting staying types like Barizan and Me Voici and Super Kenny showed plenty of speed in his maiden at Stratford.

The Betfair Bowl sees the Gold Cup winner looking to complete the Cheltenham/Liverpool double. He's well worth taking on IMO. His record fresh and at Cheltenham is exceptional but he can run abnormally bad at times too (King George anyone?). The Gold Cup was only 20 days ago and that along with the RSA is always the most gruelling race of the Festival. What can we oppose him with though? What A Friend is the second favourite and should be fresh having last run in the Lexus. I've always had him down as a bridle horse though. I don't like his head carriage at all and I'll gladly pass over him at 3/1. Both Calgary Bay and Carruthers would like a stiffer test than this so that leaves me with Nacarat. He hasn't ran since the Racing Post Chase when he ran a cracker under a big weight so he should be fresh for this. He needs a flat track and he ran very respectably for a long way in the King George and horses who run well on Stephens' Day at Kempton have a great record in this. McCoy back on board and Tom George's yard in good form - he'll do for me e/w at 9/2 (1/4 the odds 1,2).

The 2m4 novice chase is another quality contest. I was against Somersby in the Arkle on the grounds of inexperience but he ran a cracker. This step up in trip will suit and McCoy back on board instead of Chocolate Thornton is another bonus. The fear would be that Cheltenham knocked the edge off him and a fresh horse like The Nightingale will benefit. He hadn't run for four months before the Arkle though and that wouldn't have been as gruelling a race as the RSA. Henrietta Knight's nicey nicey approach with her horses should also pay dividends here.

Haven't had a proper look at Friday's decs yet but I'd be very sweet on Forpadydeplasterer stepping up in trip in the Melling Chase.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 07, 2010, 03:07:24 PM
I see Tulachsarain is running in the 3.15....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 07, 2010, 03:38:49 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 07, 2010, 03:07:24 PM
I see Tulachsarain is running in the 3.15....
FFS 8/1 Winner and never got on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on April 07, 2010, 03:40:56 PM
Jeez candyman, any more tips!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 07, 2010, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on April 07, 2010, 03:40:56 PM
Jeez candyman, any more tips!
Relative has a share in the donkey and rang up to give word....
Couldnt get away from work to get on!!! Early price would have been about 20/1....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on April 07, 2010, 09:19:48 PM
Right gamble today with that horse Ebadoun. 33-1 to 10-3 then drifted to 4-1 joint favourite. Ended up being pulled. Was at Fairyhouse today and got word on the way down the road. Waited outside a Paddy Power until it opened at 10. Went in and got 33's each way, on the way out looked at the screen and it was 16's. Had myself built up for a big win but it clearly didnt materialise! FFS!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 08, 2010, 01:28:47 AM
probably another case of the owners not getting the price they wanted for it due to a leak . So they most likely pulled it till the next opportunity. Unfortunetly it won't be no 33/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 08, 2010, 08:09:26 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 05, 2010, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 05, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
Does anyone know what the story is about the runners for the aintree grand national ?

Is it today that the list of runners gets confirmed and how is it decided what horses will run etc.  ?

I've a couple of ridiculous ante-post bets waiting to go up in smoke !



Final declaratiions on Thursday. 10:00 a.m., I think. The top 40 declared horses in the handicap get in. There's a list of substitutes that get in in listed order if others drop out.

http://www.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-form.php (http://www.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-form.php)

You feed in the data Hardy and let us know. What could be easier. :P


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 08, 2010, 10:47:31 AM
John Smith's Grand National entries Saturday 10 April, 1615 BST

1 01-3244 MADISON DU BERLAIS 9-11-10 (David Pipe) Tom Scudamore

2 1-P3463 MON MOME 9-11-10 (Venetia Williams) Aidan Coleman

3 211501 VIC VENTURI 10-11-06 (Dessie Hughes) Paddy Flood

4 151U-02 BLACK APALACHI 11-11-06 (Dessie Hughes) Denis O'Regan

5 5-50030 JOE LIVELY 11-11-06 (Colin Tizzard) Joe Tizzard

6 01-423P DON'T PUSH IT 10-11-05 (Jonjo O'Neill)

7 P002-00 COMPLY OR DIE 11-11-05 (David Pipe) Timmy Murphy

8 121-210 TRICKY TRICKSTER 7-11-04 (Paul Nicholls) Barry Geraghty

9 1-03520 NICHE MARKET 9-11-04 (Bob Buckler) Harry Skelton

10 2404P2 MADE IN TAIPAN 8-11-04 (Tom Mullins) Niall Madden

11 UPP/-21P DREAM ALLIANCE 9-11-03 (Philip Hobbs) Tom O'Brien

12 FU-3644 CLOUDY LANE 10-11-03 (Donald McCain) Jason Maguire

13 1P00-60 NOZIC 9-11-03 (Paul Nicholls) Liam Treadwell

14 53-2057 MY WILL 10-11-02 (Paul Nicholls) Nick Scholfield

15 3606-4F PABLO DU CHARMIL 9-11-02 (David Pipe) Danny Cook

16 P6-51110 BALLYHOLLAND 9-11-00 (Colin McBratney IRE) Andrew McNamara

17 0112313 BACKSTAGE 8-11-00 (Gordon Elliott IRE) Davy Condon

18 FP-1P1PP BEAT THE BOYS 9-11-00 (Nigel Twiston-Davies) Brian Hughes

19 100-000U0 PREISTS LEAP 10-11-00 (Tom O'Leary IRE) Philip Enright

20 1103223 SNOWY MORNING 10-10-13 (Willie Mullins IRE) Paul Townend

21 314F-016 CAN'T BUY TIME 8-10-13 (Jonjo O'Neill)

22 2U136-2U1 BIG FELLA THANKS 8-10-12 (Paul Nicholls) Ruby Walsh

23 60/144-P STATE OF PLAY 10-10-11 (Evan Williams) Paul Moloney

24 143301-00 CHARACTER BUILDING 10-10-11 (John Quinn) Nina Carberry

25 00-12100 ELLERSLIE GEORGE (IRE) 10-10-10 (Nick Mitchell) Christian Williams

26 02P5-011 ERIC'S CHARM 12-10-09 (Oliver Sherwood) Wayne Hutchinson

27 212/0-0000 KING JOHNS CASTLE 11-10-09 (Arthur Moore IRE) Paul Carberry

28 043545U CONNA CASTLE (IRE) 11-10-09 (Jimmy Mangan IRE)

29 2P-4P1540 BALLYFITZ 10-10-09 (Nigel Twiston-Davies) David England

30 F2-305467 OLLIE MAGERN 12-10-09 (Nigel Twiston-Davies) Tom Molloy

31 330-30U2 ARBOR SUPREME (IRE) 8-10-08 (Willie Mullins IRE) Paul Townend

32 02P-253 MALJIMAR (IRE) 10-10-08 (Nick Williams) Daryl Jacob

33 03-02312 THE PACKAGE 7-10-07 (David Pipe) Graham Lee

34 000-33010 PIRAYA 7-10-07 (David Pipe) Johnny Farrelly

35 U01-4U5 IRISH RAPTOR 11-10-07 (Nigel Twiston-Davies) Paddy Brennan

36 6P/6220-0 MR POINTMENT 11-10-07 (Paul Murphy)  ???

37 1P6-1420 PALYPSO DE CREEK 7-10-06 (Charlie Longsdon) Tom Siddall

38 11-035U00 HELLO BUD 12-10-06 (Nigel Twiston-Davies) Sam Twiston-Davies

39 P63/52-P FLINTOFF 9-10-05 (Venetia Williams) Andrew Tinkler

40 23/32-31P ABBEYBRANEY (IRE) 9-10-05 (Howard Johnson) Wilson Renwick

RESERVES

41 0F-26r20 SILVER BIRCH 13-10-05 (Gordon Elliott IRE) Robbie Power

42 50PP/05-0 CERIUM (FR) 9-10-05 (Paul Murphy)

43 56/-33P5 ROYAL ROSA (FR) 11-10-05 (Howard Johnson)

44 -3PP462F KNOWHERE 12-10-04 (Nigel Twiston-Davies) Brian Harding


???  The talk during the week was that if Cerium was first reserve then Mr Pointment would be withdrawn to give Cerium (5th last year) a run.  EDIT:  The BBC has switched the order of the reserves os Cerium may not make it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 08, 2010, 10:52:54 AM
Im thinking of putting a big bet on Imperial Commander today. Its not often a GOld Cup winner will go off at even money in his next race at level weights. I know there is always question marks about horses who win at Cheltenham following up at Aintree. However, I think he was hugely impressive at Cheltneham and hasnt much to beat today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on April 08, 2010, 11:09:17 AM
I like the look of "Chief Dan George", it's a tasty 25/1 is only carrying 10.2 and has a bit of form about it. What do you proper Horsie men think of it's chances for Sat ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 08, 2010, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 08, 2010, 10:52:54 AM
Im thinking of putting a big bet on Imperial Commander today. Its not often a GOld Cup winner will go off at even money in his next race at level weights. I know there is always question marks about horses who win at Cheltenham following up at Aintree. However, I think he was hugely impressive at Cheltneham and hasnt much to beat today.

2 years ago Kauto was beaten at 5/6, albeit only after a second to Denman. Master Minded also lost at odds of around 1/3.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 08, 2010, 12:10:56 PM
SOMERSBY looks like the bet of the day for me, will love the going at Aintree today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 08, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 08, 2010, 11:09:17 AM
I like the look of "Chief Dan George", it's a tasty 25/1 is only carrying 10.2 and has a bit of form about it. What do you proper Horsie men think of it's chances for Sat ???

Don't think he's in yet,ill be chancing him myself if he does get in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 08, 2010, 12:13:23 PM
Notus de a tour worth small each way punt in 2.35 at aintree.Anyone hear the horse ted walsh mentioned on rte the other day-think he said it avoided cheltenham to run today...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 08, 2010, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 08, 2010, 11:09:17 AM
I like the look of "Chief Dan George", it's a tasty 25/1 is only carrying 10.2 and has a bit of form about it. What do you proper Horsie men think of it's chances for Sat ???

illdecide, Chief Dan George NOT declared (nor in the reserves)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on April 08, 2010, 12:34:38 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 08, 2010, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 08, 2010, 11:09:17 AM
I like the look of "Chief Dan George", it's a tasty 25/1 is only carrying 10.2 and has a bit of form about it. What do you proper Horsie men think of it's chances for Sat ???

illdecide, Chief Dan George NOT declared (nor in the reserves)

:-[ :-[ Goes to show ya what i know about horses...lol i just seen it on that link at the top of the page and liked the look of it...better pick another then :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 08, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 08, 2010, 12:34:38 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 08, 2010, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 08, 2010, 11:09:17 AM
I like the look of "Chief Dan George", it's a tasty 25/1 is only carrying 10.2 and has a bit of form about it. What do you proper Horsie men think of it's chances for Sat ???

illdecide, Chief Dan George NOT declared (nor in the reserves)

:-[ :-[ Goes to show ya what i know about horses...lol i just seen it on that link at the top of the page and liked the look of it...better pick another then :D

Well I suppose he was in it until about 10:00 this morning!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 08, 2010, 01:18:08 PM
Thanks Maddog. I thought that would sort the whole thing out, but it doesn't include some of the stats. It did sort out the main categories, though – very useful.

As bcarrier mentioned above, these statistics are now so well known that the main qualifiers may well be over-bet. Also, last year blew a hole in a couple of the major stats:
- weight under 11st. (though bcarrier pointed out last year that that statistic should probably be modified to specify a margin of no more than 11 lb over the bottom weight on the day. In any case, this year, 11st covers that)
- horses previously unplaced in the National don't come back and win it.

However, the purpose of statistics is to indicate trends and probabilities and one event doesn't invalidate the overall stats.

So to look at the stats. Applying the criteria about age and weight immediately reduces the field to 15 qualifiers:
- Big Fella Thanks
- Snowy Morning
- The Package
- Character Building
- Arbor Supreme
- Cant Buy Time
- State Of Play
- Irish Raptor
- Hello Bud
- Erics Charm
- Ballyfitz
- Ollie Magern
- Abbeybraney
- Ellerslie George
- Mr Pointment

Applying further selection criteria about experience, performance in Class 1 races, previous National form, performance in big fields, etc. reduces the field (unusually) to only four horses that tick every box - Can't Buy Time, State Of Play, Hello Bud and Ellerslie George.

Of the other 11, three fall out only on having finished unplaced previously in the race. If you want to ignore that statistic (I wouldn't based on one event), that brings Snowy Morning, Big Fella Thanks and Mr Pointment into the frame. I would make a case for Big Fella Thanks on the basis that State Of Play gets in having been fourth last year and BFT was only 4 lengths behind him in sixth, so it seems harsh to exclude him and there's only a 2 lb turnaround in weight difference this time. I'm adding him to the other four giving a short list of
- Big Fella Thanks 10/1
- Can't Buy Time  25/1
- State Of Play  20/1
- Hello Bud  40/1
- Ellerslie George  100/1

I'm using my usual scattergun approach and backing all five e.w.. Ellerslie George doesn't seem to have a realistic chance, despite the stats and two 100/1 winners in a row would be unprecedented, but he does qualify on the stats, so I'd kick myself down to the river if he made the frame and I wasn't on.

I also have a standing ante-post place only bet on Comply Or Die on the basis I don't think he can win, but he has every chance of a place based on proven form in this race and carrying a pound less than last year's runner-up performance.

After last year's performance of the stats selections, you may feel inclined to treat this as a list of horses not to back. Either way, good luck.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 08, 2010, 12:13:23 PM
Notus de a tour worth small each way punt in 2.35 at aintree.Anyone hear the horse ted walsh mentioned on rte the other day-think he said it avoided cheltenham to run today...

Shark Hanlon's horse Western Leader. Runs in the novice hurdle tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on April 08, 2010, 01:29:35 PM
I can see a treble for Ruby in the first 3 today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Punter on April 08, 2010, 01:44:17 PM
Hopefully Cheltenham will feel like a distant memory when Aintree kicks off with its three day Grand National meeting. Top class racing for the duration of the meeting is guaranteed with many Cheltenham winners returning for one more bite of the cherry. Many horses running after the Cheltenham festival haven't got great records at Aintree but some do win again, hopefully we can find the right ones.

14:00 – Aintree
Big Bucks should take all the beating once more but you didn't need me to tell you that. At 1-3 he represents no value at all and the value should be found else where. After Big Bucks, Tidal Bay is the clear pick on ratings but his attitude has a bit to be desired. On a positive note Brian Hughes is back in the plate. Hughes gets on extremely well with the horse and hopefully can guide the Howard Johnson raider into a place, on a course he likes. 8 runners remain in the field and an each-way selection is Bouggler. Unlike some of today's rivals, he has been kept fresh. Emma Lavelle's son of Tobougg is still a five year old so he should still be improving. Big Bucks for the win and Bouggler as an each-way alternative.
1st: Big Bucks
2nd: Tidal Bay
3rd: Bouggler

14:35 – Aintree
These four year old races are never easy to win as these young jumpers can often go off the boil unexpected. Hopefully Sanctuaire is still bouncing after Cheltenham and if this is the case, he should take the world of beating. Many felt he put up a Champion Hurdle type display at the festival when taking the Fred Winter. He looks to be a very progressive animal and with only two runs under his belt this year, the horse should still be fresh. Barizan will have plenty of supporters but Evan Williams' horse has had along and tough season. I just feel they may have went to the well once too many and for that reason I'm going to oppose him. There won't be much between Nafaath and Me Voici on a form line through Saveiro and I fancy both to run big races. I'd have to side with the Howard Johnson givin the stables still in good heart and he's a much bigger price. Nafaath is an each-way selection.
1st: Sanctuaire
2nd: Naafaath
3rd: Me Voici

15:10 – Aintree
The big race of the day looks to be at the mercy of Gold Cup hero Imperial Commander. He put up a staggering performance to easily beat Denman and at 10-11 even looks a bit of value. He is 23 pounds clear of his nearest rival (Nacarat) and even an under par display here could see him take the prize. Many doubt the Twiston Davies horse but at near enough even money he has to be backed. If you don't fancy backing such a short prize, What A Friend should give the selection most to think about.
1st: Imperial Commander
2nd: What A Friend

15:45 – Aintree
The Fox Hunters Chase is sure to be the biggest spectacle of the day as the amateur riders take to the daunting Grand National fences. History suggests that the winner usually comes from the top five/six rated horses so it's best to stick to the top of the market. Baby Run is an obvious candidate but had one of the hardest races of all at Cheltenham. He is the best horse in the race but you have to wonder how much that festival rest took out of him. Blu Teen is very interesting and on the form book has the beating of Baby Run. He like the above horse gave Here's Jonny a good beating and the softer under foot conditions will suit. Others that stick out in this very trappy race are Carrick Oscar and Reachforthetop. Baby Run is too short at 3-1 for such an event so I'd advise each-way beats on any of the above three, which ever you fancy but slight preference is for Blu Teen.
1st: Baby Run
2nd: Blu Teen
3rd: Carrick Oscar
4th: Reachforthetop

Rest of preview on
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/04/08/aintree-betting-preview-thursday-8th-april-2010/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 08, 2010, 01:57:20 PM
OK - here we go. Laying Big Bucks here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 08, 2010, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 08, 2010, 01:57:20 PM
OK - here we go. Laying Big Bucks here.
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maybe we will find winners easier to come by at Aintree  8)

live racing - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/7833395.stm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 02:14:23 PM
My e/w on Possol sunk by the two NRs. FFS!  >:( >:(

He's a quare horse that Big Bucks. I'd say he touches strange prices in-running.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
Tommy Stack hasn't lost his Kerry brogue anyway!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 08, 2010, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 08, 2010, 02:13:22 PM

maybe we will find winners easier to come by at Aintree  8)


I've a bad feeling already - I can see favourites and Cheltenham winners coming in be the new time and me laying them.

Always great entertainment watching Big Buck, though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 08, 2010, 02:33:39 PM
OK - undeterred. The strategy is to look for lightly raced horses coming to Aintree unexposed with form in their last couple of starts. These often throw up a long-odds winner here.

So - don't laugh - I'm going e.w. Al Qeddaaf here. 140 and 24 for the place on Betfair.

Backup on Super Kenny.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 08, 2010, 02:40:27 PM
Well - he was exposed there!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 02:41:27 PM
Very messy race. Wouldn't read too much into that form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 08, 2010, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 08, 2010, 12:13:23 PM
Notus de a tour worth small each way punt in 2.35 at aintree.Anyone hear the horse ted walsh mentioned on rte the other day-think he said it avoided cheltenham to run today...

Shark Hanlon's horse Western Leader. Runs in the novice hurdle tomorrow.

Cheers don
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 03:19:36 PM
Smile back on Sir Alex's face!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 08, 2010, 03:24:02 PM
Just goes to show what I know about racing. Should never have doubted you Donnelly. Looks like Aintree is going to be another disaster for me!

Heading over in the morning too!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 03:26:08 PM
Plenty of opportunities to get the money back yet Mickey.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on April 08, 2010, 03:45:53 PM
If I can recall correctly, in the Irish Field a couple of weeks ago, during a tour of the Sharks yard one of the stable lads said, "Call the Gardai, the bookies are going to be robbed" (in regards to Western Leader). Took note then, and will be having a bet on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 08, 2010, 03:55:36 PM
Silver Adonis takes the Fox Hunters @ 50/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on April 08, 2010, 04:01:51 PM

If someone had him with paddy power at 33 will they get the better price?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 08, 2010, 04:03:18 PM
Quote from: rossie mad on April 08, 2010, 04:01:51 PM

If someone had him with paddy power at 33 will they get the better price?

Depends if you "took the price" when you made the bet.  50/1 shown as the SP on BBC, other bookies may have had a different SP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 08, 2010, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: rossie mad on April 08, 2010, 04:01:51 PM

If someone had him with paddy power at 33 will they get the better price?

Yes, PP offer Best Odds Guaranteed on all daily racing (UK & Ire)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on April 08, 2010, 04:10:12 PM

Thanks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 08, 2010, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 02:14:23 PM
My e/w on Possol sunk by the two NRs. FFS!  >:( >:(

He's a quare horse that Big Bucks. I'd say he touches strange prices in-running.

Good shout anyway DH, ran a cracker. I was on him at 12/1 w/o Big Bucks so no profit either but he gave us a decent run for our money!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 08, 2010, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 08, 2010, 12:13:23 PM
Notus de a tour worth small each way punt in 2.35 at aintree.Anyone hear the horse ted walsh mentioned on rte the other day-think he said it avoided cheltenham to run today...

Shark Hanlon's horse Western Leader. Runs in the novice hurdle tomorrow.

Can't see him entered?

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Racecards/0,12495,364721,00.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2010, 11:21:29 PM
He's in the 3 mile novice at 4:20. 5/1 e/w will do for me.

Sticking with Forpadydeplasterer e/w in the Melling. I always prefer the horses stepping up from the QMCC rather than those from the Ryanair for this. Holds Kalahari King on their last two runs against each other so I can't really understand why he is shorter at the moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 09, 2010, 12:04:23 PM
Mr Pointment and Abbeybraney withdrawn from GN allowing runs for Cerium and Royal Rosa.  First reserve Silver Birch switched to the Topham today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 09, 2010, 12:58:27 PM
Dundalk 6.00- Benvenuto
            7.30- Gile na Greine
Musselburgh 2.50- Oddsmaker

Also have to stick with ForPaddythePlasterer at Aintree.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2010, 01:55:13 PM
Menorah looks a very big price - 2/1  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 09, 2010, 02:01:46 PM
Probably punters riding the trend of opposing Cheltenham winners. Though it's in to 2.72 on Betfair now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2010, 02:05:15 PM
Too soon Dickie
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 09, 2010, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 09, 2010, 02:01:46 PM
Probably punters riding the trend of opposing Cheltenham winners. Though it's in to 2.72 on Betfair now.

General Miller beats Menorah @ 7/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 09, 2010, 02:39:24 PM
Just done a Lucky 15 on Ogee, Kalahari King, Diablo, Voramar Two. Also a small e/w on Alderluck
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on April 09, 2010, 02:42:59 PM
Kicking mysely for not backing Burton Port................Some day for Henderson!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2010, 03:18:23 PM
He's some rogue that Paddy. He has a bad dose of seconditis!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 09, 2010, 03:26:32 PM
You have to love Alberta's Run
Title: Marbh
Post by: drici on April 09, 2010, 03:30:41 PM

Goodbye Schindlers Hunt.


Date Conditions Race Result Jockey OR
09Apr10 Ain 20GS 5y+ S(175K) 11-10[16/1] unplaced in race won by Albertas Run (IRE) P W Flood 
18Mar10 Che 21GS 5y+ S(220K) 11-10[12/1] u.r. in race won by Albertas Run (IRE) P W Flood 
07Feb10 Leo 24S 5y+ S(180K) 11-10[20/1] 3rd of 7 5.75L behind Joncol (IRE) P W Flood 161
29Dec09 Leo 24Y 5y+ S(150K) 11-10[16/1] 5th of 11 20.25L behind What A Friend (GB) R Loughran 161
21Nov09 Asc 19G 4y+ S(55K) 11-7[10/3Jf] 4th of 8 12.75L behind Albertas Run (IRE) P W Flood 
22Oct09 Thu 22YS 5y+ H(16K) 11-0[6/1] 2nd of 13 15L behind Oscar Dan Dan (IRE) P W Flood 
29Apr09 Pun 25SH 5y+ S(275K) 11-10[16/1] 2nd of 12 13L behind Notre Pere (FR) P W Flood 161
03Apr09 Ain 20G 5y+ S(200K) 11-10[16/1] 2nd of 10 hd behind Voy Por Ustedes (FR) P W Flood 
12Mar09 Che 21GS 5y+ S(220K) 11-10[22/1] 3rd of 10 2.75L behind Imperial Commander (IRE) P W Flood 
22Feb09 Naa 16S 5y+ S(55K) 11-4[6/4Jf] 2nd of 5 4L behind Carthalawn (IRE) P W Flood 160
11Jan09 Leo 21Y 5y+ HcapCh(90K) 11-4[16/1] 1st of 10 4L to Kilcrea Castle (IRE) P W Flood 152
27Dec08 Leo 17YS 5y+ S(100K) 11-12[12/1] 5th of 7 16.00L behind Big Zeb (IRE) P W Flood 155
14Dec08 Cor 16H 5y+ S(60K) 11-12[9/2] 5th of 12 33.50L behind Scotsirish (IRE) P W Flood 158
09Nov08 Nav 16S 5y+ S(45K) 11-12[4/1] 5th of 6 42.25L behind Watson Lake (IRE) P W Flood 159
25Oct08 Naa 20SH 4y+ HcapHdl(40K) 10-10[10/1] 15th of 17 73.50L behind Kirbybroguelantern (IRE) R Loughran 129
22Apr08 Pun 16G 5y+ S(220K) 11-12[4/1] 4th of 9 3.00L behind Twist Magic (FR) B J Geraghty 161
25Mar08 Fai 17GY 4y+ HcapCh(100K) 11-6[11/2] 1st of 11 4L to Wishwillow Lord (IRE) B J Geraghty 154
13Mar08 Che 16GS 5y+ S(310K) 11-10[33-1] 4th of 8 36.00L behind Master Minded (FR) P Carberry 
24Feb08 Naa 16YS 5y+ S(60K) 11-12[1/1f] u.r. in race won by Maralan (IRE) R Loughran 154
19Jan08 Asc 17S 5y+ S(140K) 11-7[8/1] 4th of 6 39.00L behind Tamarinbleu (FR) R Loughran 
27Dec07 Leo 17 5y+ S(100K) 11-12[4/1] 3rd of 6 2.50L behind Mansony (FR) R Loughran 149
09Dec07 Pun 20H 5y+ S(100K) 11-10[10/1] 5th of 10 27.75L behind The Listener (IRE) R Loughran 146
26Apr07 Pun 16G 5y+ NovCh(110K) 11-12[5/2] 5th of 7 46.00L behind Another Promise (IRE) R Loughran 
08Apr07 Fai 20G 5y+ S(100K) 11-9[5/2f] 2nd of 11 1 ½L behind One Cool Cookie (IRE) R Loughran 
25Feb07 Naa 20H 5y+ S(50K) 11-12[7/4f] fell in race won by Benefit Night (IRE) R Loughran 
28Jan07 Leo 17S 5y+ S(80K) 11-12[8/13f] 1st of 7 2L to King Johns Castle (IRE) R Loughran 
26Dec06 Leo 17SH 4y+ NovCh(100K) 11-12[3/1] 1st of 9 10L to Hear The Echo (IRE) R Loughran 
06Dec06 Fai 20H 5y+ NovCh(100K) 11-12[10/1] 2nd of 10 ¾L behind Cailin Alainn (IRE) R Walsh 
01Nov06 Pun 16S 4y+ NovCh(12K) 11-12[9/1] 1st of 18 nk to Rights Of Man (IRE) P W Flood 
18Oct06 Pun 18Y 4y+ NovCh(32K) 11-2[8/1] 5th of 10 31.00L behind Gemini Lucy (IRE) R Loughran 
05Mar06 Leo 16YS 6y+ MdnHdl(18K) 11-9[9/10f] 1st of 16 3L to Kalderon (GER) R Loughran 
12Feb06 Leo 18Y 5y+ H(100K) 11-10[16/1] 3rd of 7 14.00L behind Mr Nosie (IRE) R Loughran 
29Jan06 Leo 16YS 4y+ MdnHdl(14K) 11-12[4/1] 2nd of 19 shd behind Vintage Gold (USA) C O'Dwyer 
11Dec05 Cor 16H 4-5y MdnHdl(13K) 11-9[5/4f] 2nd of 22 2L behind Premier Rouge (GB) Mr R Loughran 
26Nov05 Gow 16Y 4-5y NHF(10K) 11-11[4/1] 1st of 18 ¾L to Badgerlaw (IRE) Mr R Loughran 
12Nov05 Naa 16H 5y NHF(9K) 11-11[9/2f] 2nd of 21 8L behind City Deep (IRE) Mr R Loughran 
13May05 Wex 16GF 5y NHF(8K) 11-11[2/1f] 4th of 14 1.25L behind Mr Newton (IRE) Mr R Loughran 
26Apr05 Pun 16S 4-5y NHF(65K) 11-2[9/2f] 7th of 25 12.75L behind Its A Dream (IRE) Mr R Loughran 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on April 09, 2010, 03:41:57 PM
Owner is keen on the chances of Whinstone Boy in the 4.55....He's available at 14's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2010, 03:49:45 PM
Paddy Flood broke his collarbone when Schindlers Hunt fell.

Roger Loughran to take over on Vic Venturi tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 09, 2010, 04:27:28 PM
The winners are hard to come by these days, betting more on the live sports but have a small e/w double on Lord Generous and Whinestone Boy, both at 12s, only because Im bored at work.
Title: Marbh
Post by: drici on April 09, 2010, 04:29:14 PM

Goodbye Plaisir D'Estruval.


09Apr10 Ain 21G 5y+ HcapCh(100K) 10-3[16/1] unplaced in race won by Always Waining (IRE) P Carberry 
20Mar10 Gow 20S 4y+ HcapHdl(15K) 9-3[3/1f] 1st of 18 1 ¼L to Farringdon (GB) P J Carberry 100
23Jan10 Leo 21H 5y+ HcapCh(80K) 10-0[4/1] 4th of 11 5.06L behind Anothercoppercoast (IRE) P W Flood 124
27Dec09 Leo 24Y 5y+ HcapCh(190K) 10-4[16/1] 11th of 28 26.88L behind Oscar Time (IRE) R M Moran 125
03Dec09 Naa 20H 4y+ HcapCh(15K) 11-1[7/2] 1st of 7 16L to Askthemaster (IRE) D N Russell 114
26Oct09 Gal 22S 4y+ HcapCh(27K) 10-13[6/1] 7th of 17 18.75L behind Operation Houdini (IRE) D N Russell 115
13Sep09 Lis 19S 4y+ HcapCh(35K) 10-6[9/2f] 3rd of 11 6.50L behind Keys Pride (IRE) P W Flood 114
01Aug09 Gal 22YS 4y+ HcapHdl(50K)  non-runner (ground)  98
31Jul09 Gal 17S 4y+ HcapCh(35K) 9-10[10/3f] 4th of 10 21.75L behind Kahuna (IRE) P W Flood 115
29Apr09 Pun 20SH 5y+ HcapCh(70K) 9-11[4/1f] 9th of 18 39.32L behind J'y Vole (FR) D J Casey 116
13Apr09 Fai 17G 5y+ HcapCh(45K) 10-10[6/1] fell in race won by Taipan's Way (IRE) D N Russell 116
15Mar09 Nav 24H 5y+ HcapCh(50K)  non-runner (lung infection)  116
04Feb09 Dow 20H 5y+ NovCh(9K) 11-12[15/8] 1st of 15 6L to Orimed Des Ifs (FR) D N Russell 
31Dec08 Tra 21YS 5y+ NovCh(10K) 11-12[3/1Jf] 2nd of 15 1 ½L behind Burren Bob (IRE) P A Carberry 
23Feb08 Fai 20Y 5y+ HcapHdl(28K) 10-0[8/1] 12th of 20 43.63L behind Western Gale (IRE) P A Carberry 102
27Jan08 Leo 22S 5y+ HcapHdl(21K) 10-11[10/1] 7th of 26 7.94L behind Bellflower Boy (IRE) P A Carberry 102
01Jan08 Tra 20S 5y MdnHdl(8K) 11-4[7/2] 1st of 15 6L to What A Riddle (IRE) D J Casey 
26Dec07 Leo 18G 4y MdnHdl(14K) 11-7[14/1] 15th of 28 34.00L behind Taravada (GB) N P Madden 
06May07 Dro GF Point to Point [ ] 1st of 6 Mahonia (IRE
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 09, 2010, 05:00:58 PM
Question for the more expert horse racing followers.

Do the tactics employed by Wetern Leader in the 3 mile hurdle today ever really work? (he took the horse out at a real fast gallop, led by a long way most of the race then died over the last). Seems to me a horse who takes a race out at what seems like an unnaturally fast pace is always caught but are they actually ever smart tactics?

And yes, I had it backed and am annoyed! But also genuinely curious.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2010, 05:18:37 PM
I suspect Western Leader has to be ridden like that TAM. I used to ride a bit myself in p2p's (many moons an lbs ago!) and there are certain horses that just don't like being in and around other horses. They'll spit the dummy and drop themselves out. You just have to kick them in the belly at the start and give them some rein. Had he held him back a bit more he'd have probably ran too free and been done for speed - looks an out and out stayer.

The young lad didn't do an awful lot wrong to be honest. He wasn't able to get a breather into him at any stage because John Cullen was on his tail the whole way. He had them all at it four out and it looked like a repeat of his last run at Thurles. The only slight criticism I'd have is that he didn't look for something to race against after two out to try and galvanise the horse again. He might have picked up again if the other horse was closer to him. The winner was still way behind turning in so it's probably unfair to criticise O'Farrell for not picking him out as his danger.

Got the place for e/w purposes anyway so nothing lost, nothing gained.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2010, 12:04:35 AM
11/10 about Peddlers Cross tomorrow is way too big. I thought he'd be a 1/2 shot at best so I'm having a wedge on that to kick off tomorrow. I don't think he had that hard a race at Cheltenham and the rest of this field are modest.

The Maghull looks a very poor renewal. Osana is a bit of a rogue and French Opera and Tataniano are both priced purely on the yards they're in. Going to have a small e/w on Archie Boy at 20/1. Ran very well in several novice chases on quick ground last summer and was put away all winter for this meeting. Had a nice prep over hurdles at Naas last month to leave him spot on and he might just sneak a place.

The Aintree Hurdle looks a tough race to call on paper and I've a feeling it could be a tactical messy affair. Not sure if either Ruby or Barry will want to make their own running so it's a no bet race for me.

National (get the blindfold and darts out) - Arbor Supreme @ 16s and Maljimar @ 40s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerry on April 10, 2010, 12:07:35 AM
Top tip for The Grand National.
Creosote 7/1 - good over fences.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 10, 2010, 09:46:44 AM
My Will - opened fav last year finished 3rd and is 40/1 this year
Comply or Die - proven track performer - hopefully run into a place again
Flintoff - another slogger

all ew bets for me

i like the look of wogan in the race before
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 10, 2010, 01:10:10 PM
He's in to evens now, considering folowing DH and putting a bit of a lump on Peddlers Cross!
In the hurdle I would tend to go for Celestial Halo, but probably won't have a bet.

Hoping Dessie has a much better day today, backed both of them e/w in the big one. I know the weight is against them, but some much else in their favour worth an e/w punt.

BTW, VC Bet have been my bookie of choice for the last few months for a number of reasons, free bet on all fallers etc. (excellent, served me very well at Cheltenham and always nice to know that if your horse comes down at beechers at least you can use your stake for another punt) Enhanced places. Unlikley PP or Boyles they still offer excellent odds on top of this and have gtd prices. For anyone opening an account I don't think you can look past them!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 10, 2010, 01:17:28 PM
VCBet - you are right but those attractive offers helped me lose a fortune with them a few years ago  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 10, 2010, 01:22:10 PM
1.45 Peddlers Cross
2.15 Tataniano
2.50 Zaynar
3.45 No bet
4.10 See GN thread (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=15935.msg764639#msg764639)
5.00 Magnum Force
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2010, 01:55:30 PM
Get up the yard baby!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 10, 2010, 01:57:13 PM
Pissed it. Very classy horse.

Champion or World Hurdle next year Or novice chasing?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2010, 02:04:33 PM
I'd send him the Kicking King/War Of Attrition route  of the Arkle followed by the Gold Cup. Looks scopey enough to jump a fence. He won a point at Liscarroll in March last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 10, 2010, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2010, 01:55:30 PM
Get up the yard baby!

Any more fancies DH, and NOT in the national...  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2010, 02:36:23 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 10, 2010, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2010, 01:55:30 PM
Get up the yard baby!

Any more fancies DH, and NOT in the national...  ;D

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2010, 12:04:35 AM
The Maghull looks a very poor renewal. Osana is a bit of a rogue and French Opera and Tataniano are both priced purely on the yards they're in. Going to have a small e/w on Archie Boy at 20/1. Ran very well in several novice chases on quick ground last summer and was put away all winter for this meeting. Had a nice prep over hurdles at Naas last month to leave him spot on and he might just sneak a place.

Sneaked the place but two feckin NRs. EDIT: Irish-Racing.com only had 7 runners in their result but I've checked again an 10 ran. Happy days!

Been having a look through Peddlers Cross' pedigree. He's by Oscar and there are plenty of his progeny that have got three miles (Refinement, Oscar Dan Dan, Offshore Account, Black Jack Kethum). His dam Patscilla was only an ordinary race mare but she is from the immediate family of an Australian Group 1 winner and a 1000 Guineas third. Every chance he'd stay three miles but there's plenty of speed in his genes as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 10, 2010, 03:05:46 PM
Such a touch Zaynar got in the last???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 10, 2010, 03:09:37 PM
I have to say cheers DH, I followed you on Peddlers - Nice return at 5/4. Due to having to come into work for an house because of some elses f**k I missed the start of the hurdle so no bet on Celestial.

More important than any of it, I hope to god Rubys alright, the screens up for a long time. He's not going to ride Big Fella anyway. Big shame, but the name of the game is jumping!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pintsofguinness on April 10, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 08, 2010, 01:18:08 PM
Thanks Maddog. I thought that would sort the whole thing out, but it doesn't include some of the stats. It did sort out the main categories, though – very useful.

As bcarrier mentioned above, these statistics are now so well known that the main qualifiers may well be over-bet. Also, last year blew a hole in a couple of the major stats:
- weight under 11st. (though bcarrier pointed out last year that that statistic should probably be modified to specify a margin of no more than 11 lb over the bottom weight on the day. In any case, this year, 11st covers that)
- horses previously unplaced in the National don't come back and win it.

However, the purpose of statistics is to indicate trends and probabilities and one event doesn't invalidate the overall stats.

So to look at the stats. Applying the criteria about age and weight immediately reduces the field to 15 qualifiers:
- Big Fella Thanks
- Snowy Morning
- The Package
- Character Building
- Arbor Supreme
- Cant Buy Time
- State Of Play
- Irish Raptor
- Hello Bud
- Erics Charm
- Ballyfitz
- Ollie Magern
- Abbeybraney
- Ellerslie George
- Mr Pointment

Applying further selection criteria about experience, performance in Class 1 races, previous National form, performance in big fields, etc. reduces the field (unusually) to only four horses that tick every box - Can't Buy Time, State Of Play, Hello Bud and Ellerslie George.

Of the other 11, three fall out only on having finished unplaced previously in the race. If you want to ignore that statistic (I wouldn't based on one event), that brings Snowy Morning, Big Fella Thanks and Mr Pointment into the frame. I would make a case for Big Fella Thanks on the basis that State Of Play gets in having been fourth last year and BFT was only 4 lengths behind him in sixth, so it seems harsh to exclude him and there's only a 2 lb turnaround in weight difference this time. I'm adding him to the other four giving a short list of
- Big Fella Thanks 10/1
- Can't Buy Time  25/1
- State Of Play  20/1
- Hello Bud  40/1
- Ellerslie George  100/1

I'm using my usual scattergun approach and backing all five e.w.. Ellerslie George doesn't seem to have a realistic chance, despite the stats and two 100/1 winners in a row would be unprecedented, but he does qualify on the stats, so I'd kick myself down to the river if he made the frame and I wasn't on.

I also have a standing ante-post place only bet on Comply Or Die on the basis I don't think he can win, but he has every chance of a place based on proven form in this race and carrying a pound less than last year's runner-up performance.

After last year's performance of the stats selections, you may feel inclined to treat this as a list of horses not to back. Either way, good luck.

What happened Hardy??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 10, 2010, 04:38:07 PM
3 places from five picks ain't bad.

Super stuff Hardy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 10, 2010, 04:43:11 PM
Nice one Hardy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pintsofguinness on April 10, 2010, 05:20:16 PM
I wanted the winner!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 10, 2010, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 10, 2010, 05:20:16 PM
I wanted the winner!

Dont push it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 10, 2010, 09:54:36 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 10, 2010, 05:20:16 PM
I wanted the winner!

We all know what you want!! A winner carrying 11-5 throws the stats followers out, however as already stated that is some going picking three of the first five
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on April 10, 2010, 10:05:29 PM
Backed the five each way, paid on three, 50% return, thank you Hardy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on April 11, 2010, 12:45:45 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2010, 12:04:35 AM
11/10 about Peddlers Cross tomorrow is way too big. I thought he'd be a 1/2 shot at best so I'm having a wedge on that to kick off tomorrow. I don't think he had that hard a race at Cheltenham and the rest of this field are modest.

The Maghull looks a very poor renewal. Osana is a bit of a rogue and French Opera and Tataniano are both priced purely on the yards they're in. Going to have a small e/w on Archie Boy at 20/1. Ran very well in several novice chases on quick ground last summer and was put away all winter for this meeting. Had a nice prep over hurdles at Naas last month to leave him spot on and he might just sneak a place.

The Aintree Hurdle looks a tough race to call on paper and I've a feeling it could be a tactical messy affair. Not sure if either Ruby or Barry will want to make their own running so it's a no bet race for me.

National (get the blindfold and darts out) - Arbor Supreme @ 16s and Maljimar @ 40s.

Took you're advise and put £50 on it ;D then had another few winners as well as the footie up, so had a good day ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 12, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
I see Nina has a few mounts at Sedgefield today for Ferdy the Crook.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 12, 2010, 02:51:01 PM
Well, the weight statistic was blown to pieces for the second year running on Saturday, with the first two carrying 11-5 and 11-6 respectively and a full stone more than the bottom weight, after the first four last year also carried more than 11 stone. It's also interesting to note that 50% of the finishers carried 11 stone or more.

So the weight stat has to be reviewed. Certainly the good going on Saturday made it easier for the 11 stone-plus brigade. But there seems to be a developing trend. In the fourteen races from 1993-2007, twelve horses made the frame (first five) carrying 11-0 or more, with only one winning it – Hedgehunter, a horse placed in a Gold Cup. In the last three years, another nine have done it, two of them winning, neither an obvious star. So it seems you'd be restricting your possibilities unacceptably from now on by eliminating horses over 11 stone or carrying more than 11 lbs above the bottom weight.

It's hard enough to see why horses should suddenly find it much easier to hump heavy weights around Aintree. It'll make for some interesting studying anyway and it'll be fun trying to find the angle on it.

Anyway, I was happy to get three places on Saturday. Any day you make a profit on the English National is a good day. If it hadn't been for the first two screwing up the weight stat, we'd have had the 1-2-3.  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2010, 06:21:45 PM
I'm beginning to think the way they've handicapped the National in recent years has made sh1te of the stats. Phil Smith has said that he doesn't frame the weights like a conventional handicap anymore. He drops some of the higher rated horses in order to tempt connections of some of the better quality horses into running. The handicap is much more compressed nowadays and there's far more horses actually carrying over 11st.

Smith also adjusts a horses chase rating judged on hurdles form (War Of Attrition went up for his hurdles wins this year). He must have been pissed off with horses like Numbersixvalverde being campaigned all year over hurdles in order to protect their chase mark.

As Michael O'Leary said at the weights announcement this year though: "it's supposed to be the John Smith's Grand National, not the Phil Smith's Grand National"
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 13, 2010, 09:51:33 AM
Cork punter scoops a €116,000 four-timer

Monday, April 12, 2010



A CORK punter landed a spectacular €116,000 coup by backing the winners of four consecutive races, including the Grand National, at Aintree on Saturday.



The Paddy Power shop customer successfully predicted the outcome of the final four races in a €3 Lucky 15 bet. The winning selections were From Dawn to Dusk (12-1), Grand National winner Don't Push It (10-1), Dee Ee Williams (11-1) and Megastar (9-1).

Paddy Power said: "This has got to be the jammiest man in Ireland. Getting the winner of the National is commendable but throwing in another three races for good measure . . . now that's just showing off!"





Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/cork-punter-scoops-a-euro116000-four-timer-116968.html#ixzz0ky5uDEa5
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 13, 2010, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2010, 06:21:45 PM
I'm beginning to think the way they've handicapped the National in recent years has made sh1te of the stats. Phil Smith has said that he doesn't frame the weights like a conventional handicap anymore. He drops some of the higher rated horses in order to tempt connections of some of the better quality horses into running. The handicap is much more compressed nowadays and there's far more horses actually carrying over 11st.

Smith also adjusts a horses chase rating judged on hurdles form (War Of Attrition went up for his hurdles wins this year). He must have been pissed off with horses like Numbersixvalverde being campaigned all year over hurdles in order to protect their chase mark.

As Michael O'Leary said at the weights announcement this year though: "it's supposed to be the John Smith's Grand National, not the Phil Smith's Grand National"

That could be the key to it OK. It's amazing that he gets away with making up his own rules for one race, especially with regard to taking hurdling form into account, since it's not done for other handicaps. But effectively he can do what he likes because there aren't really any rules anyway and no effective overview of the handicapper's work.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 14, 2010, 07:09:42 AM
Kangaroo court worth a small bet at cheltenham today in good field
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on April 14, 2010, 03:55:09 PM
Lads have a tip coming for the 4.40 at gowran park....looking at the racecard now could nearly tell which horse it is with one going from 16's into 7-1..but the guy won't know the name of it until 30mins before the race..p.s hes never been wrong before  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on April 14, 2010, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: new devil on April 14, 2010, 03:55:09 PM
Lads have a tip coming for the 4.40 at gowran park....looking at the racecard now could nearly tell which horse it is with one going from 16's into 7-1..but the guy won't know the name of it until 30mins before the race..p.s hes never been wrong before  :)

well? any word?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on April 14, 2010, 04:25:58 PM
Bar the rest 7-1...good luck
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maximus on April 14, 2010, 04:28:07 PM
It's 10-1 on ladbrokes
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: new devil on April 14, 2010, 04:29:19 PM
Even better...7-1 PP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on April 14, 2010, 04:46:25 PM
donkey, lol every time i back a tip it is dirt  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 14, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
5.20 NEWMARKET - LUNAR VICTORY short price but should hack up, is defo one I like the look of...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on April 14, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
boys did anyone ever do the head-to-head bets at ladbrokes for the festivals? 6 races and you mark one horse to finish ahead of the other, it doesn't matter who wins? i did it at Cheltenham and got 3 right out of the 6 and they paid out at 6/1, as it says on the slip. Then i did it again for aintree last week and i got 5 right out of 6, but this time when i went to collect the boy said i need to get all my selections right to get any money, and wouldn't take the slip, any idea which is right and which is wrong? 5 right pays out 25/1 so i was thinking i was in the money...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 14, 2010, 05:27:15 PM
2nd last Sammy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 14, 2010, 05:56:48 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 14, 2010, 05:27:15 PM
2nd last Sammy?

rubbish Candy... no idea why that one ran so bad...  :-[ dunno where my next winner is coming from  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 14, 2010, 06:03:46 PM
Or your next €50 to back it? ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 14, 2010, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 14, 2010, 06:03:46 PM
Or your next €50 to back it? ;-)

its nearly getting that way...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 15, 2010, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 13, 2010, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2010, 06:21:45 PM
I'm beginning to think the way they've handicapped the National in recent years has made sh1te of the stats. Phil Smith has said that he doesn't frame the weights like a conventional handicap anymore. He drops some of the higher rated horses in order to tempt connections of some of the better quality horses into running. The handicap is much more compressed nowadays and there's far more horses actually carrying over 11st.

Smith also adjusts a horses chase rating judged on hurdles form (War Of Attrition went up for his hurdles wins this year). He must have been pissed off with horses like Numbersixvalverde being campaigned all year over hurdles in order to protect their chase mark.

As Michael O'Leary said at the weights announcement this year though: "it's supposed to be the John Smith's Grand National, not the Phil Smith's Grand National"

That could be the key to it OK. It's amazing that he gets away with making up his own rules for one race, especially with regard to taking hurdling form into account, since it's not done for other handicaps. But effectively he can do what he likes because there aren't really any rules anyway and no effective overview of the handicapper's work.

Sure are you not old enough to remember when they had a seperate handicap for Arkle  ;) :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 15, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
Ripon 2.00 - Cocktail Charlie
Newmarket 2.25 - Soviet Secret
Cheltenham 2.45 - Cesium (nap)
Newmarket 5.20 - Vulcanite
8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 15, 2010, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on April 15, 2010, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 13, 2010, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2010, 06:21:45 PM
I'm beginning to think the way they've handicapped the National in recent years has made sh1te of the stats. Phil Smith has said that he doesn't frame the weights like a conventional handicap anymore. He drops some of the higher rated horses in order to tempt connections of some of the better quality horses into running. The handicap is much more compressed nowadays and there's far more horses actually carrying over 11st.

Smith also adjusts a horses chase rating judged on hurdles form (War Of Attrition went up for his hurdles wins this year). He must have been pissed off with horses like Numbersixvalverde being campaigned all year over hurdles in order to protect their chase mark.

As Michael O'Leary said at the weights announcement this year though: "it's supposed to be the John Smith's Grand National, not the Phil Smith's Grand National"

That could be the key to it OK. It's amazing that he gets away with making up his own rules for one race, especially with regard to taking hurdling form into account, since it's not done for other handicaps. But effectively he can do what he likes because there aren't really any rules anyway and no effective overview of the handicapper's work.

Sure are you not old enough to remember when they had a seperate handicap for Arkle  ;) :D

:)

Some youngsters here may think that's a joke, but they genuinely had. He was rated so far ahead of even the immediate next-best that all his opponents would carry bottom weight when he was running, so they then had to have a handicap for non-Arkle races to separate the others from each other.

He was rated 212 by Timeform, the highest ever, two ahead of Flyingbolt, the most unfortunate horse in history. Flyingbolt, rated the second-best ever, was unlucky enough to be a contemporary of Arkle and is almost forgotten by comparison. Both trained by Tom Dreaper (Paul Nicholls - hah!), they never raced each other.

For a perspective on Arkle's rating, the joint third of all time (with Mill House, another great unfortunate contemporary of Arkle) is Kauto Star, 21 lbs lower on a mark of 191.

For those who don't quite understand the phenomenon that was Arkle,  this (http://www.bloodlines.net/TB/Bios2/Arkle.htm) is a very good summary of his greatness.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on April 15, 2010, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 15, 2010, 09:31:34 AM
He was rated 212 by Timeform, the highest ever, two ahead of Flyingbolt, the most unfortunate horse in history. Flyingbolt, rated the second-best ever, was unlucky enough to be a contemporary of Arkle and is almost forgotten by comparison. Both trained by Tom Dreaper (Paul Nicholls - hah!), they never raced each other.

It always amazes me how many people are completely unaware of the greatness of Flyingbolt, so to accompany your Arkle link...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/feb/17/horseracing.gdnsport33

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyingbolt
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 15, 2010, 10:51:56 AM
Thanks Homer.

While we're on the subject of Tom Dreaper and his horses, anyone interested in jump racing and memorabilia would enjoy a pint in The Beck's, about a mile down the road from Kilmoon Cross on the Drogheda road.

I was there on Saturday night, for the first time in about 20 years and they have a small selection of Dreaper pictures and Arkle-related stuff. One thing tickled my nostalgia nerve. Pinned to the back of one of the bench seats was a black board, about two and a half feet long and six inches high with "L. McLOUGHLIN" painted on it in white. Anyone here know what it was? (You probably need to be a certain age).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 15, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
Some great reading there lads. Thanks for putting up the links to those pieces.

And Nicholls was getting stick for only running Kauto and Denman against each other once a year!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pebble-dasher on April 15, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: attheraces on April 15, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
Ripon 2.00 - Cocktail Charlie
Newmarket 2.25 - Soviet Secret
Cheltenham 2.45 - Cesium (nap)
Newmarket 5.20 - Vulcanite
8)

one winner and a 2nd so far!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 15, 2010, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: pebble-dasher on April 15, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: attheraces on April 15, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
Ripon 2.00 - Cocktail Charlie
Newmarket 2.25 - Soviet Secret
Cheltenham 2.45 - Cesium (nap)
Newmarket 5.20 - Vulcanite
8)

one winner and a 2nd so far!

ah Cesium was my most fancied, let me down very badly, Soviet could have had it, Vulcanite currently touching 11/1, thought he would be a lot shorter ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 15, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
Quote from: attheraces on April 15, 2010, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: pebble-dasher on April 15, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: attheraces on April 15, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
Ripon 2.00 - Cocktail Charlie
Newmarket 2.25 - Soviet Secret
Cheltenham 2.45 - Cesium (nap)
Newmarket 5.20 - Vulcanite
8)

one winner and a 2nd so far!

ah Cesium was my most fancied, let me down very badly, Soviet could have had it, Vulcanite currently touching 11/1, thought he would be a lot shorter ???

vulcanite worst off them all,not a good day now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 16, 2010, 01:26:56 PM
Thirsk 2.00 -  Bathwick Bear
Thirsk 3.05 - Glenridding
Kempton 6.25 - Papageno (Nap)
Kempton 8.30 - Street Power

One win and a place yesterday,hoping for better today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 16, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: attheraces on April 16, 2010, 01:26:56 PM
Thirsk 2.00 -  Bathwick Bear
Thirsk 3.05 - Glenridding
Kempton 6.25 - Papageno (Nap)
Kempton 8.30 - Street Power

One win and a place yesterday,hoping for better today

Papageno is a NR so I'll opt for Bothy @ Cheltenham in the last. My nap would be street power now
Title: 2-20
Post by: drici on April 16, 2010, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: new devil on March 25, 2010, 03:45:39 PM

3.50 ayr.. PHONE IN 17-2




Won the 2-20 at Ayr at 20/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 16, 2010, 02:47:08 PM
Is that 40 minutes early or late
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 16, 2010, 04:00:31 PM
Donn Mc Clean on Off the Ball last night was asked for his favourite national hunt and flat horse?

He said Dawn Run for the National hunt, expounding the glory of being the only horse to win Gold Cup and Champion Hurdle and a mare and all!
He went for Sea the Stars in the flat, on the basis that its the greatest flat horse he has ever seen and is likely to ever see.

Who would yours be??

I'd have to go with Moscow Flyer in the National Hunt. Until he went over the top, if he stood up he won, in a time of exciting talented 2 mile chasers he was the best. His victory in the tingle creek was the pinnacle. He was very unfairly denied a dead heat in Punchestown to keep his proud record going. He frequently started his campaign in Navan (which was great). Even when he retired he came back and won a charity race on the Firday at Punchestown, I lumped on to him at evens and he bowled along like the class horse that he is. Not to forget, he was a top class hurdler who wasn't far off Istabraq. A true legend.

High Chaprral - One of the few flat horses to capture my imagination. I could never understand the fascination with Hawk Wing & Chap did him in the Derby. Ran as a four year old, doing the rare fete of winning two breeders cups. Personal favourite was being at the champion stakes at Leopardstown to see him win @ 41/1 and complete a treble  :) Good times.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 16, 2010, 04:25:17 PM
gonna have a few quid e/w on Tiger O'toole in the 7:50 and 5:20 Dispol Kylie in an e/w double with it  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 16, 2010, 04:47:56 PM
How long have you got?

NH:
Danoli - The people's champion. I'll never forget Leopardstown going mental when he won the Hennessy.
Hardy Eustace - Turned up for every cockfight year in year out and always ran his race. Ran every race in memory of Kieran Kelly.
Whats Up Boys - Loved this Philip Hobbs horse. He won the Coral Cup in 2000 from another county: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36REhZLDxaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36REhZLDxaY) (3:57 onwards). I was gutted when Dickie Johnson got there too soon in the National and Bindaree beat him.
Fondmort - Cheltenham legend. He was a stone better horse there than anywhere else. Had a wedge on him when he won the Ryanair.
Spotthedifference - An ATM machine around the banks courses. Some roar when he got up after falling after crossing the line at Cheltenham one day. He looked almost embarresed walking back down the chute.
Monkerhostin - Have been following this old warrior for years and he's done me some huge favours.
Accordion Etoile - Turned out he was just short of top class but he was incredibly likeable. Had a big bet on him the day an inspired John Cullen got him up to beat Tamarinbleu and McCoy at Cheltenham. Lost my b******s when he fell in the Arkle.
Nickname -  Soft ground + two miles = unbeatable. Raced as an entire which would be very unusual for a chaser. Looking forward to seeing his progeny on the track.

Flat:
Azamour - One of the most underrated horses ever trained on the Curragh. Was raging when Soumillon ballsed it up when he was going for back to back Champion Stakes.
George Washington - Gorgeous George had it all. Quirky old fecker but he couldn't half cruise when he was in the mood. The day he won at Ascot when Mick just angled out and didn't even touch him with the stick was awesome. Didn't deserve his sad demise in New Jersey.
Mustameet - Curragh specialist who cleaned up nearly every listed and G3 contest a few years ago. It was a pity he never won a G1.
Ridgewood Pearl - One of the best fillies I've ever seen. Beautiful statue of her in the racecourse on the Curragh.
Refuse To Bend - Won big on him when he won the Guineas at Newmarket having backed him as a 2yo after getting word from a friend close to Moyglare Stud. Ran a stinker then at Epsom before the Arabs bought him from DK and ruined him.
Royal Academy - MV O'Brien and Lester Piggott 1990 Breeders Cup Mile - one of the greatest flat races I've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThhBVc0bA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThhBVc0bA)

Good shout with High Chaparral LE. Hawk Wing was a miler and proved it in the Lockinge. Murtagh was convinced Kinane had picked the wrong horse before Epsom and boy was he right. It was a pity he wasn't as good right handed because he could have won mulitiple Arcs. His Breeders Cup Turf wins were great races though. Bit of a disappointment as a stallion unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 16, 2010, 11:40:48 PM
Quote from: attheraces on April 16, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: attheraces on April 16, 2010, 01:26:56 PM
Thirsk 2.00 -  Bathwick Bear
Thirsk 3.05 - Glenridding
Kempton 6.25 - Papageno (Nap)
Kempton 8.30 - Street Power

One win and a place yesterday,hoping for better today




Papageno is a NR so I'll opt for Bothy @ Cheltenham in the last. My nap would be street power now
Bothy was NR aswell, 2 from 3 though ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 17, 2010, 02:34:30 PM
Stats-based selections for the Scottish National:

Merigo
Gone To Lunch
Aurora's Encore

Backing all 3 each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on April 17, 2010, 02:39:46 PM
4.10 Thirsk

Whozthecat currently at 8/1 but was 22/1 this morning

Got word for it today from a lad that works in a bookies...just lettin my fellow GAA boarders know lol :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 17, 2010, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 17, 2010, 02:34:30 PM
Stats-based selections for the Scottish National:

Merigo
Gone To Lunch
Aurora's Encore

Backing all 3 each way.

Hardyarse The Fiddler - The Legend. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Longshanks on April 17, 2010, 04:13:19 PM
Some shout there Hardy, hope you made a few quid  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on April 17, 2010, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on April 17, 2010, 02:39:46 PM
4.10 Thirsk

Whozthecat currently at 8/1 but was 22/1 this morning

Got word for it today from a lad that works in a bookies...just lettin my fellow GAA boarders know lol :)

Good man Frank.  A nice wee lift for the day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on April 17, 2010, 04:24:53 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on April 17, 2010, 02:39:46 PM
4.10 Thirsk

Whozthecat currently at 8/1 but was 22/1 this morning

Got word for it today from a lad that works in a bookies...just lettin my fellow GAA boarders know lol :)

You're a legend too!

Missed yours hardy, otherwise would have been a very good day  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 17, 2010, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on April 17, 2010, 02:39:46 PM
4.10 Thirsk

Whozthecat currently at 8/1 but was 22/1 this morning

Got word for it today from a lad that works in a bookies...just lettin my fellow GAA boarders know lol :)

Nice one Big Frank.

A tidy profit from the board tipsters today again.  Thanks lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Longshanks on April 17, 2010, 04:44:26 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on April 17, 2010, 02:39:46 PM
4.10 Thirsk

Whozthecat currently at 8/1 but was 22/1 this morning

Got word for it today from a lad that works in a bookies...just lettin my fellow GAA boarders know lol :)

Great work Frank kept me about even overall, cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 17, 2010, 05:04:04 PM
Big shock in the Greenham today with Canford Cliffs getting turned over by his stablemate Dick Turpin. I can't see past St Nick for the Guineas now. I'd backed him for Epsom at 14s after the Beresford because I'd never have even considered the Guineas for a Montjeu colt. I thought he might get done by a specialist miler but the English colts haven't been anything to write home about.

Canford Cliffs drifted all over the shop when Hughesie got the whip out and I'm not sure he'll get the mile. Elusive Pimpernel was impressive in the Craven midweek but he has plenty of ground to find with SNA on Doncaster form. The Dewhurst last year looked very ordinary and Steinbeck who was the horse to take out of it is wating for the Curragh instead of travelling to Newmarket. Coolmore must reckon this colt has a fabulous chance of being the first since Nijinsky to win the Triple Crown if they're keeping Steinbeck at home.

I've taken the 7/4 now because I can see him going off a 5/4 or 11/10 shot. Hopefully they'll get the hosepipe out on the Rowley mile for the next fortnight and we have a bit of ease in the ground on the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 18, 2010, 06:25:09 PM
Dunguib heading for the Champion Hurdle on Friday rather than the novice race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 18, 2010, 06:33:06 PM
Hurricane Fly is all set to return as well after his suspensory ligament injury. Solwhit, Punjabi & Voler La Vedette thrown in for good measure. Fascinating race in prospect.

I hope Willie sends Quevega for the Stayers Hurdle. I'd love to see her take her chance over three miles with a view to taking on Big Bucks next year.

I walked the track at Punchestown this morning and it is in fabulous condition. Roll on Tuesday!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 18, 2010, 09:40:26 PM
8/1 Blackstairmountain for the Champion Novice Hurdle on Tuesday is surely worth an e/w punt now Dunguib is wating for Friday. General Miller is a worthy fav but 5/4 is way too short. Menorah got there too soon at Aintree and he didn't look as good in his coat as he did at Cheltenham.

BSM looked a daisy cutter as a bumper horse and he just didn't get home in the desperate ground at Fairyhouse (taking nothing away from Luska Lad who is bordering on Grade 1 class right handed). He'll love the better ground on Tuesday and should not be longer than his stablemate Flat Out who is a slower staying type.

The 7/2 about Quevega for the Stayers is tempting but her target still hasn't been confirmed. She'd need the heavens to open on Thursday to have a prayer in the Champion Hurdle IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 19, 2010, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 18, 2010, 09:40:26 PM
8/1 Blackstairmountain for the Champion Novice Hurdle on Tuesday is surely worth an e/w punt now Dunguib is wating for Friday. General Miller is a worthy fav but 5/4 is way too short. Menorah got there too soon at Aintree and he didn't look as good in his coat as he did at Cheltenham.

BSM looked a daisy cutter as a bumper horse and he just didn't get home in the desperate ground at Fairyhouse (taking nothing away from Luska Lad who is bordering on Grade 1 class right handed). He'll love the better ground on Tuesday and should not be longer than his stablemate Flat Out who is a slower staying type.

5/1 now  ;D

I'm struggling to see another bet on tomorrow's card at the moment though. The sun has been splitting the stones here in the shortgrass all day and it will be definitely genuine Good ground tomorrow - especially if the banks course is now Good-Firm.

I'm not sure that ground will suit Sizing Europe. It definitely won't suit Barker and Golden Silver. Forpadydeplasterer's seconditis puts me off him. He holds Kalahari King (who should enjoy the ground) on two Cheltenham runs and he fell last time out at Aintree. Twist Magic is a bit of a hound who'll either be pulled up or win by half the track.

Zaarito is the class act in the novice chase but he has been on the grass more times than Bob Marley. The Midnight Club is his market rival but I always thought he was better with give in the ground.

I'll keep an eye on the market in the bumpers but it'll definitely be Blackstairmountain for me to get the meeting off to a flyer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on April 20, 2010, 11:23:12 AM
Donnellys do you post on antepost horse racing section of betfair forum? The shrewdies over there are on BSM.

Barbers Shop runs tomorrow  :) ...possibly a hound ( or bottomed by the King George) but Ill be backing ew.

Forpady ew for me today plus a small bet on Kempes in novice chase.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 20, 2010, 11:35:46 AM
I don't post there anymore no. The value has gone from BSM at this stage but you have to sit up and take notice when there's money   for one of Willie's. I heard last night that Ruby would have ridden Flat Out if he had been fit. It could be rubbish but it's stopped me backing BSM again this morning. I'm happy to let the 8/1 run. Can't have him out of the first three.

I wouldn't say Barbers Shop is a hound. He always seems to run a fairly decent race. I suspect he just isn't Grade 1 class and he's overrated because of his connections. You couldn't back Denman/Cooldine/Joncol tomorrow unless there's rain and there is good e/w value to be had in the race. I've missed the boat on J'y Vole and the value is now gone on her. I'd love to see War Of Attrition run well on his final appearance but he won't carry my cash.

I'll probably just have a small e/w bet on Tranquil Sea. I don't think he ran his race at Cheltenham but I'll forgive him that. He ran a stinker in the Supreme Novices two years ago before hacking up in the Grade 1 novice at Punchestown beating Trafford Lad and Fiveforthree.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on April 20, 2010, 12:26:34 PM
I heard there was a preview at Ratoath on Sunday night and Ruby said Flat out did some good piece of work last week.

The AP section on betfair is still good for confirming your own ideas ... (likes of platinni, prospero, Farfrom trouble,deep impact,amaru,sandsoftime,trevw, and moneytree ( do the opposite of what he says)  know their stuff)  ...the main horse racing section and Irish sports seems to have been taken over by nutters. A few of them round here ( though not necessarily on this thread  :P) too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 20, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
I used to post on that Irish Sports section a while back but it became infested with nutters alright - probably a sign of the recession with lads off work and just punting their dole money on the exchange all day!

Had a look at the two bumpers this morning. Not a lot of form to go on but some interesting pedigrees. Picked out a few:

17:30
Seeds Of Victory - Newcomer for Tom Taaffe. Well bred sort from the family of Triumph Hurdler Rare Holiday. The yard has a good record with newcomers in bumpers and he's a 25/1 shot at the moment.
Double Double - Flat bred gelding who was bought fairly cheaply. Has plenty of speed in his pedigree but stayed well at Naas when he beat a highly regarded horse of DK Weld's very easily. Trained down the road from me in Straffan by Charles O'Brien (Vincent's son) who does well with his few bumper horses. 11/2 at the moment.

19:15
Hired Hand - Another Charles O'Brien trained horse. He's by High Chaparral and is a half brother to a Prix Vermeille winner (Pearly Shells). It's rare to see such a good flat pedigree pitching up in a bumper. Also interesting that JP has snapped him up. 10/1 with William Hill at the moment despite being as short as 5/1 elsewhere.
Stotan - An unraced gelding trained by Edward O'Grady. By Milan out of an unraced Bob Back mare so he should enjoy this good ground. General 12/1 shot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 20, 2010, 01:50:51 PM
Right just done a wee treble/ cross doubles
3.40 Outlaw Pete (I have to admit I picked it on the name  :D Although JT is on board, which is never a bad thing over the banks)
4.20 Blackstairsmountain (I know what you are saying about the value being gone DH, but I wasn't on, so we'll take a chance on it anyway)
6.05 Sizing Europe (no way I could desert him after Christmas or Cheltenham!)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 20, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
just for a bit of craic, the ATR tipping challenge

15.40
10 points to win on Wedger Pardy at 5/2

16:20 Evening Herald Champion Novice Hurdle (Grade 1)
10 points each-way (20 points total) on Blackstairmountain at 4/1

16:55 '3' Handicap Hurdle (0-140) (grade C)
5 points each-way (10 points total) on Kandari at SP

17:30 Goffs Land Rover Bumper
8 points each-way (16 points total) on Double Double at 11/2

18:05 Boylesports.com Champion Chase (Grade 1)
20 points to win on Forpadydeplasterer at 9/2

18:40 Growise Champion Novice Chase (Grade 1)
10 points to win on Zaarito at 11/4

19:15 Equitrek Finlay Ford (Pro/Am) Flat Race
14 points to win on Jet Master at 5/2


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on April 20, 2010, 04:26:46 PM
Blackstairmountain  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: CentreHalfBack on April 20, 2010, 04:28:22 PM
Quote from: randomtask on April 20, 2010, 04:26:46 PM
Blackstairmountain  :)

;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 20, 2010, 08:09:25 PM
Very predictable this Punchestown lark:

- Willie Mullins hoovers up the Grade 1s as usual.
- Enda Bolger wins the banks race.
- Forpadydeplasterer's seconditis still hasn't been cured.
- Twist Magic acts the maggot yet again.
- Zaarito jumps like he's never seen a fence before in his life.

Delighted with Blackstairmountain. Won as he liked having tanked into the race for the excellent Townend. Hard to know what happened him at Cheltenham when he ran no race.

Got the two Charles O'Brien horses placed in both of the bumpers. I thought Double Double was given a poor enough ride (ridden by his owner incidentally). He was almost coming down Naas main street he was that wide turning in. He showed a good turn of foot but I'm not sure whether I'd punt him again. I wasn't overly sold on his head carriage.

Hired Hand was off the bridle after a half mile. I don't know whether he just ran very green or he was hampered when there was a bit of a melee down the side of the track. A horse with his flat pedigree shouldn't be outpaced in a bumper like that though. He ran on really well into third from a mile back. Definitely one for the notebook. He should win a bumper somewhere in the next few months. I really liked that Spanish Treasure and I imagine Eddie Hales will have plenty of offers for him over the next few days.

The ground must have been riding a bit dead if horses like Golden Silver were acting on it so I imagine we will see Denman/Joncol/Cooldine and possibly Notre Pere take their chances tomorrow. Cooldine is bound to be popular e/w after the Mullins show today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 20, 2010, 09:44:31 PM
Excellent info as usul donelly! I'll be Reading your thoughts tomorrow again before giving away any of my hard earned!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 20, 2010, 10:41:10 PM
I'll probably sit on my hands tomorrow and keep my profit from today for Thursday and Friday.

Tomorrow will revolve around Denman for most punters and I wouldn't be too sure about him for a number of reasons. Strictly on the book he's 19lbs clear of Joncol/Cooldine so he should hack up. I don't think the handicapper's ratings tell the full story though.

His runs in the 180s have been achieved on stiff left handed tracks like Cheltenham and Newbury with an ease in the ground. Punchestown is a galloping track but the chase course can ride very quick. The ground is just slightly on the yielding side which I don't think is ideal for him. There have to be big question marks over him right-handed as well. He ran like a goat the last time he went this way round at Kempton. His only wins right handed were egg and spoon races at Wincanton and Exeter. I'm also not convinced he's stone wall in love with the game anymore. He displayed signs of tempremant at Newbury in the AON (reluctant to jump off, bone idle in front). He ran a belter in the Gold Cup but that was/is a brutal savage race for a horse and it might just have left its mark - remember Imperial Commander at Liverpool.

What beats him?

Joncol - not sure to run because of the ground. Closely matched with Cooldine on Hennessy form. Should be a fresh horse having missed Cheltenham and is open to improvement.

Cooldine - miles behind the fav in the Gold Cup but ran way to keen. A line through Carruthers suggests that run was way below his best. Yard in cracking form today but he has to learn to settle to have any chance.

The rest - War Of Attrition will love this ground but I'm sure he'll just be out for a hunt round on his swansong. J'y Vole ran a cracker at Cheltenham going the wrong way round. She'll loves this track but the ground and the trip are concerns. Tranquil Sea is the only one that interests me e/w. Bombed out at Cheltanham but has done that before and returned to win at Punchestown. Unexposed at the trip and form with Golden Silver was franked today. Andy Mac picking up a concussion today is a negative - who'll ride him I don't know? I'll be having a small e/w investment to keep an interest.

Nothing else really jumps off the page at all tomorrow. Our bumper horses got a mauling at Cheltenham and I suspect they're a very ordinary lot. Shot From The Hip was punted off the boards but he ran with the choke out for the whole way. If Magnier settles him he'd probably be good enough. Tavern Times will have benefitted for his Cheltenham experience and he could give him most to do.

Son Amix in the 4yo hurdle is interesting with Tommy Cooper's young fella taking off the 7lbs. If he is 4/1 or bigger, I'd consider him e/w. Handicaps look very difficult. I'd predict Stewards House will be very popular in the chase.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 20, 2010, 11:43:46 PM
Keep the thoughts coming Donnelly "He's been on the grass More than Bob Marley"  :D love it.

Good tipping on Blackstairsmountain at 8/1 - well done.

I bet big Joe and the boys have a bit of regret about selling Kempes at the moment! When he came up to the third last with his head in his chest, with Mc Coy just looking for the gap he looked all over the winner.

Disappointed to see Sizing Europe bottom out, but he is a horse that owes me nothing from his last two outings.

I agree that tommorow is a day to keep the laimh in do foca. Watch the big race is about all I indeed to do myself, leave the money in the bookies satchel that I gave them today! When I started going to Punchestown about 12 years ago Wednesday used to be the best day! Amazing what a mess they can make of a great festival!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2010, 12:26:47 PM
Quevega going over three miles for the first time tomorrow. Very interesting. Still 4/1 with Ladbrokes. Knocking e/w bet about the mare.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 21, 2010, 03:03:09 PM
Got word for Leggy Lad in the 4.55 in P'town, currently 33/1, told it was worth a few e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2010, 03:27:05 PM
Nina replaces Andy Mac on Tranquil Sea
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
Easiest winner of the week is right. Mullins benefit.

Willie for Taoiseach.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2010, 04:08:39 PM
Joncol NR
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 21, 2010, 05:02:46 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2010, 04:08:39 PM
Joncol NR

He left it late enough to pull him!! He walked the track before 12

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2010, 12:26:47 PM
Quevega going over three miles for the first time tomorrow. Very interesting. Still 4/1 with Ladbrokes. Knocking e/w bet about the mare.

Having the pick of the stable Towend has opt for her also!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2010, 05:44:07 PM
Jesus what a race!

Raging I didn't lay Denman for a place after all my talk. Was screaming old War Of Attrition home. Pity he just couldn't reach Dickie Johnson.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 21, 2010, 05:46:18 PM
Denman's a awful belligerent horse, what would he not be like with a drop of drink?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2010, 07:54:14 PM
Carnage today for most punters. Glad I kept the powder dry for tomorrow when the Blackstairmountain profits will be reinvested.

Two big bets on the card for me: Quevega in the Stayers Hurdle and Captain Cee Bee in the Swordlestown.

Quevega is 4/1 with Ladbrokes, Boyles and Victor Chandler at the moment. That's a cracking e/w bet in my view and I can't see that price lasting long. Willie is carrying all before him here as usual and on the jockey bookings, she's the yard's first string. She's only a few lbs short of the top two milers and I think there's every chance she'll stay three miles. If she's ever going to get that trip it'll be on good ground. She has ran badly on quick ground before but the last two times she's won at Cheltenham it has been quickish.

Captain Cee Bee burst a blood vessel at Cheltenham which explains his poor run there. A line through Sizing Europe suggests that he would have been bang there in the finish. He has had thirty-seven days to get over those exertions and I don't think he would be running unless he was giving Eddie Harty the right vibes on the Curragh. Psycho is probably the danger but he wouldn't be within a stone of Captain Cee Bee over hurdles. If he runs his race CCB should win easily. He's best priced 7/2 at the moment and that'll do me e/w. Archie Boy (who ran well at Aintree) could go well at a big price and has place claims.

If either of those win I'll be backing Bishopsfurze in the concluding bumper. I thought he was the best of Willies going to Cheltenham and his experience there will have made a man of him. I think it's very noteworthy that he is running tomorrow rather than in the Grade 1 today - Quel Esprit won this race last year for the yard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on April 21, 2010, 08:32:55 PM
You called Denman well DH.

Think I might just back mullins in punchestown and Elliot in perth in everthing until the weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 22, 2010, 09:55:07 AM
Watching the prices all morning on oddchecker, just missed the 4's with Boyles on Quevaga. Got it with VC - €25 e/w - 1/4 odds first three and Faller Free Bet. The theory is it should be a free bet at least!! (well its Donnellys theory I am following)

Question, I am on a very good run with the VC account since Cheltenham, never had this happen before, when I rang in the bet I had to hold while the customer service rep checked my bets with a trader! Might be getting ahead of myself, but does that mean I'm doing well? Or does it not mean anything at all?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 22, 2010, 10:46:35 AM
If you're doing too well, your account will probably be terminated, as you probably know, LE. On the other hand, if you get free diaries and baseball caps and invitations to the Curragh, they see you as a mug they really want to hang onto, as you also probably know. It's another reason I rarely use my bookie accounts and stick almost exclusively to Betfair - they'll never do that to you.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 22, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
Never came close to having the honour of an account being closed on me I'm afraid. Was talking to Barney Curley while out for a smoke after a Cheltenham preview night a few years ago. He had pulled off one of his touches that day and he could categorically say that all accounts involved would be closed in the morning!!

I don't seem to have too much luck with the Tote!! They send a lot of passes for free days racing alright!

Is it just me, or does Prince Erik look overpriced at 33/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on April 22, 2010, 01:36:22 PM
Happened to me when i was with boylesports.

Except most of the bets that won were for my best mate who would give me the cash when he placed a bet or take off it his account as was often the case.

They probably wondered what was happening when my usual bets of 5 and 10 euors all of a sudden went into the hundreds.

one day they asked me to verify my laser card (after a year of the account being there) and had to fax all these details to them and go through all this rigmorale and then when i did after another couple of months i was told one day that i had to do it again but didnt bother so went to power instead.

My mate doesnt gamble now (well not at the level he was at) as he is out of a job and im back to my usual 5 or 10 euro bets.
It was fun while it lasted though as i could get a call at any minute from him to place a bet and i had to place it.
It happened more often than not when i was with herself either out for a meal or even sometimes on the job itself ;) and she would be raging as id be wondering how the bet went cause if he won big i might get thrown the odd fifty every now and again for my trouble.

i would pay him cash at the end of every month out of any winnings he made.

Anyway thats my little rant over.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 22, 2010, 03:38:56 PM
any links to 1st race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on April 22, 2010, 05:40:36 PM
Two great wins from L'ami and Quevaga... Quevaga was very impressive!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 22, 2010, 05:45:28 PM
one hell of an engine in that Quevaga  ;D  ;D great ride from Townend, in full control from about 4 out
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 22, 2010, 05:45:42 PM
Que Vega saves the day and not for the first time :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 22, 2010, 05:47:09 PM
Shes a little Daisy  :)

Fair play to you Donnelly, I followed you and the bet has put me back in the black for the week. The only other bet I did was €10 double with Quevaga (at 4's) doubled with Captain Cee Bee at gtd 3/1 - Good day could get better!! and if not still a few quid up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 22, 2010, 05:57:10 PM
Why couldn't Cheltenham be like this???

My God Quevega was mightily impressive for a horse trying a new trip.Bring on Big Bucks I say!!!
Was also delighted for L'ami who I've always had a soft spot for. As short as 5/6 with some this morning,was delighted with the 13/8.

Our Gar got me off to a great start too. Slowly recouping my Cheltenham losses. ;D

Donnelly for a Knighthood I say!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on April 22, 2010, 06:45:06 PM
thanks donnelly, had 50 e/w double ur a ledgend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 22, 2010, 06:50:00 PM
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO    ;D


Donelly, you are a legend. If you are about tommorow I would gladly buy you a few large ones
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 22, 2010, 07:33:08 PM
DH top man, did exchange double happy happy days

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 22, 2010, 07:37:01 PM
Thanks DH great stuff.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on April 22, 2010, 07:40:12 PM
Fair play DH, had a nice double on CBB and QV. I dont have internet at work these days so im surviving on evening rations!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 22, 2010, 08:13:25 PM
Fairly easy this Punchestown lark.  ;)

That Quevega is some mare. The best Mullins trained mare since Dawn Run. Townend didn't even touch her with the stick. If they do go down the Stayers Hurdle route next year I wouldn't back against her beating Big Bucks. The roar that went up from the stands turning in today was Danoli like!

Captain Cee Bee I think proved he is the best two mile novice chaser around. There was some scrum in the betting ring when a few brave souls layed 5/1. It was a pity what happened at Cheltenham but some horses just bleed on occasions. You can't predict it and there's no telling whether it would happen if he ran there again. I would be half tempted to put him away now until January or February and just give him a spin somewhere before a tilt at the Champion Chase. On a line through Sizing Europe, he doesn't have too much to find.

Bishopsfurze rounded the day off nicely. The Mullins' bandwagon rolls on. He'll make a nice middle-distance novice next year.

I've a grand bank for the Guineas weekend now and I'll be keeping my powder dry tomorrow. If you need a bet in that Champion Hurdle to keep an interest then there's something wrong with you. Sit back and enjoy what will be the best hurdle race this year. I should probably back Dunguib after following him all year but I can accept now that I overrated our novices. He'll be ridden differently tomorrow I suspect. I can see Brian having him handy and trying to kick on two out. Whether he'd have won at Cheltenham ridden like that, who knows? He'd certainly have gone close. Hurricane Fly looked like Golden Cygnet reincarnated last season and he surely must be close to his best if Willie is running him. He roughed off Mikael D'Haguenet & Fiveforthree early enough in the season so Hurricane Fly must be showing plenty at home. Solwhit, Punjabi and Voler La Vedette all have claims too on some of their form. If I had to pick one I'd stick with Mullins/Townend given their form and go with Hurricane Fly. I just hope we see something special tomorrow and I think we just might.

The novice hurdle looks a weak enough renewal. Luska Lad would probably be good enough if he handles this quicker ground. Reve De Sivola ran a cracker at Cheltenham behind Peddlers Cross but I'm not sure if this quicker ground will suit. He's not a great jumper and I think his future lies over further.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 22, 2010, 09:08:11 PM
Thats an unreal performance today DH. Fair play. Im heading down tomorrow myself. Think ill have a few quid on Huricane Fly it what looks like a cracker. Looking forward to a good days racing anyhow!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 22, 2010, 10:58:42 PM
I know a girl intent on going tomorrow to win Ladies Day. She was on Grafton Street after work this evening buying those final touches. Horses weren't part of the equation.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on April 23, 2010, 09:21:30 AM
Heading down today as well with the healthiest balance that I have ever had in a betting account! But how will we all fair out with no NAP from Donnelly? Well the craic is always good anyway and there is enough of a war chest there that even if I don't have a winner today, still well for the week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 23, 2010, 11:37:41 AM
thats a nice story Louth, have a good day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on April 23, 2010, 02:15:15 PM
Got a tip for Ballybough Roy in first race at Punchestown.  Think has been passed along a few people, so f**k knows where it started.  Certainly wouldnt go too mad on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2010, 05:45:18 PM
Great race. Thought Russell gave Solwhit a smashing ride. I was sure he'd nicked it kicking off the bend. This Hurricane Fly is some horse though. Given that was only his second race out of novice company. Given a proper prep it should be some scrap between himself and Binocular next year.

Hard to know what to make of Dunguib now. I've praised Fenton all year but I just don't get why they ride him like that. They rode him positively as a bumper horse so I don't know what's changed over hurdles. He didn't settle in behind so maybe they'd be better off letting him lob along up front on a loose reign. I said it after Cheltenham, you have to ride these NH bred positively. If you're looking to outspeed the likes of Hurricane Fly you're going to be chasing rainbows. Hurricane Fly has form on the flat with 10f Group 1 horses like Literato and Lawman. Dunguib is a bumper horse who is bred to stay much further than two miles................ novice chasing next year?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 23, 2010, 05:50:29 PM
What a race. There are few better thrills in sport than watching something like that. It's great to be able to enjoy it as sport when you don't have a bet on it. I thought Paul had blown it coming away from the last, but he didn't panic and obviously had every confidence in the horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2010, 06:09:02 PM
Sets it up beautifully for next year. Binocular wins the Fighting Fifth and the Christmas Hurdle. Hurricane Fly wins the Morgiana and the AIG. The showdown then at Cheltenham:

McCoy v Walsh
Henderson v Mullins
Ireland v England

We can only dream!

(http://images.sportinglife.com/08/11/330/Binocular-Haydock_1517454.jpg)(http://images.sportinglife.com/09/11/330/HurricaneFly_2383910.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2010, 06:57:31 PM
He has only gone and done it again!

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/08/article-0-03BA1C23000005DC-348_468x397.jpg)

Keep 'em coming Willie. Allez Garde in the concluding bumper - 3/1 into 13/8
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on April 23, 2010, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2010, 06:57:31 PM
He has only gone and done it again!

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/08/article-0-03BA1C23000005DC-348_468x397.jpg)

Keep 'em coming Willie. Allez Garde in the concluding bumper - 3/1 into 13/8

Heard strong word for Allez Garde as well!!! 5/4 now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on April 23, 2010, 11:58:26 PM
Not a bad day, couldn't decide between Niconar and Otay Kawn, so backed them both, and had Arvika as well, so in small profit overall.  Dunguib was the one let me down for the placepot, which would have been nice.  I was hoping to see him do it for Brian O'Connell's sake but great to see Hurricane Fly back in form and what a race.

Only downside of the day was the number of times I managed to find my toes under the stiletto heels of some young "lady" - although the risk was less as the day wore on and they switched to limping around in bare feet :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 24, 2010, 10:37:22 AM
 think twist magic is a good thing today. He will be overpriced too due to him not racing the other day. Nicholls will have him right today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 24, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Give someone else a chance Willie - this is getting embarrasing!

That Tarla looks a nice mare. I've a feeling she might open the door for Quevega to take on the stayers. Interesting times ahead.

I've been busy reinvesting some of the Punchestown profits on St Nicholas Abbey both for next Saturday and for Epsom. Stan James are a standout 13/8 and that won't last long. The Coolmore lads will be pileing in this week and I can see him going off 4/5. They'll hit the jackpot if they can get a son of Montjeu to win a Guineas over a mile so I can't see Aidan leaving him short. If you told me before Doncaster he'd win a Guineas I'd have laughed at you but I honestly can't pick a horse in that field that will beat him. Elusive Pimpernel ran the best trial in the Craven but St Nick beat him hands and heels off a sedate pace by 4L at Doncaster.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on April 24, 2010, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 24, 2010, 10:37:22 AM
think twist magic is a good thing today. He will be overpriced too due to him not racing the other day. Nicholls will have him right today!

twist magic- donkey
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 26, 2010, 08:33:22 AM
2.50 Towcester - Benmore Boy
4.10 Newcastle - Roker Park
6.10 Windsor - Turujman (Nap)
7.40 Windsor - Dream On Buddy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 26, 2010, 04:09:47 PM
Word for
The Sydney arms 5.10 Windsor
Hierarch 7.10 Windsor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 26, 2010, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 26, 2010, 04:09:47 PM
Word for
The Sydney arms 5.10 Windsor
Hierarch 7.10 Windsor.

cheers Boo, been off the gg's this last few weeks but might have a few quid on these 2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 26, 2010, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 26, 2010, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 26, 2010, 04:09:47 PM
Word for
The Sydney arms 5.10 Windsor
Hierarch 7.10 Windsor.

cheers Boo, been off the gg's this last few weeks but might have a few quid on these 2

The Sydney Arms comes in at 11/10F.

Hierach opened at 10/1 this morning - now 9/4F is the best available price. Obviously money for the horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 27, 2010, 12:22:05 PM
Stats for the 2000 Guineas (such as they are) throw up an e.w. selection: Fencing Master (18/1).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on April 27, 2010, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 26, 2010, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 26, 2010, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 26, 2010, 04:09:47 PM
Word for
The Sydney arms 5.10 Windsor
Hierarch 7.10 Windsor.

cheers Boo, been off the gg's this last few weeks but might have a few quid on these 2

The Sydney Arms comes in at 11/10F.

Hierach opened at 10/1 this morning - now 9/4F is the best available price. Obviously money for the horse.

What happened Hierarch?

Did anyone see the race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: rossie mad on April 27, 2010, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 26, 2010, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on April 26, 2010, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 26, 2010, 04:09:47 PM
Word for
The Sydney arms 5.10 Windsor
Hierarch 7.10 Windsor.

cheers Boo, been off the gg's this last few weeks but might have a few quid on these 2

The Sydney Arms comes in at 11/10F.

Hierach opened at 10/1 this morning - now 9/4F is the best available price. Obviously money for the horse.

What happened Hierarch?

Did anyone see the race?
(http://jamesdlansang.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/argentina-halal-corned-beef-4.jpg?w=300&h=290)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 27, 2010, 02:34:10 PM
late but gonna take the 9/4 on offer for Il Forno to win by 1&3/4 Lengths or More in the 2.40
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 27, 2010, 02:48:20 PM
Yarmouth 2.40   

1st  1 Il Forno  11-10 F 
2nd  2 Danzoe (IRE)  10-3 

Tote Win £1.70
Pl £1.60, £1.90
EX £3.60
SF £4.47
Winning Trainer Ian Williams
Winning Jockey R L Moore
Distances 2l
Runners 6 ran
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 27, 2010, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 27, 2010, 02:48:20 PM
Yarmouth 2.40   

1st  1 Il Forno  11-10 F 
2nd  2 Danzoe (IRE)  10-3 

Tote Win £1.70
Pl £1.60, £1.90
EX £3.60
SF £4.47
Winning Trainer Ian Williams
Winning Jockey R L Moore
Distances 2l
Runners 6 ran

a bit more sweaty than I'd have liked but the word was strong on this one and the 6/5 on offer was a little skimpy, was greedy on that bet but just about got away with it  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 27, 2010, 02:54:04 PM
Any more "strong words" Sammy?  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 27, 2010, 03:03:03 PM
the money coming for pascalina in the 7.35 is supposed to be genuine  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on April 28, 2010, 04:16:51 PM
no winners today lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 28, 2010, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: randomtask on April 28, 2010, 04:16:51 PM
no winners today lads?

no bets = no winners, so no losers either... that nag crashed and burned last night so nothing on my radar today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on April 28, 2010, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: randomtask on April 28, 2010, 04:16:51 PM
no winners today lads?

Had a double on 3.45 Southwell,- Madame Elizabeth (15/8) and 4.15 Southwell - Exulto (6/4).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2010, 05:20:45 PM
Just wait for St Nick on Saturday lads. Nice bit of rain forecast which should leave the ground perfect for him. Coolmore have obviously given the nod to Mike Dillon because Ladbrokes are shortest price at the moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 28, 2010, 07:26:40 PM
Some favourates getting turned over this evening

4 for a bit of Craic

Blue eyed Eliose 8.10 AS
Jake the Snake 9.10 AS
Ring Street Rollar7.55 Kelso
Nipper Niall 8.25 k

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 29, 2010, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2010, 05:20:45 PM
Just wait for St Nick on Saturday lads. Nice bit of rain forecast which should leave the ground perfect for him. Coolmore have obviously given the nod to Mike Dillon because Ladbrokes are shortest price at the moment.

That will do for me.Funny its only last week somebody said to me about the Ladbrokes/Coolmore connection. Who's this Mike Dillon?
Betfair is giving 2.56 at the mo. 6/4 is the best anywhere else which I will take in the morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 29, 2010, 12:54:43 AM
Dillon is Ladbrokes PR director. He's been close friends with Magnier and Michael Tabor for years. He was also Alex Ferguson's racing manager before the dispute over The Rock and he sided with the Coolmore boys in that case. Very shrewd judge and always visible around the Curragh on any of the big days during the summer. Generally, when Ladbrokes are ducking one of Aidan's, it's time to get on!

I can't believe some of the reasons people are offering for taking St Nick on.

Montjeu has never had a 3yo+ Group 1 winner over a mile: How many Montjeu's showed the turn of foot that SNA showed at Doncaster though? Breeding is not an exact science and there are always anomalies. Cork All Star was bred to be a 6F sprinter and he won a Cheltenham bumper!

Montjeu's are better with cut in the ground: Most Montjeu's handle an ease but most of his progeny are very versatile as regards the ground. Just look at Hurricane Fly last Friday.

Didn't run in the recognised Guineas trials as a 2yo (National Stakes 7F or Dewhurst 7F): The RP Trophy has not been a great source of milers down the years but that won't put me off. I don't buy this thinking that a horse that wins over a mile as a 2yo will lack the speed as a 3yo colt to win a Guineas. He won the Beresford over a mile at the Curragh last year and the horse that won the Beresford in 2008 was none other than Sea The Stars.

Aidan O'Brien's horses are not in great form: That is by design rather than by accident. Anything Aidan usually runs over here in April/early-May generally has been left short at home and needs the racecourse experience to sharpen them up (e.g. Fame And Glory at the Curragh last month). People are clutching at straws if they think SNA will need the run on Saturday though. Coolmore will have hit the jackpot if they get a son of Montjeu to win a classic over a mile and I can't believe for one second that they'll be using Newmarket as a prep for Epsom. He'll be fully tuned up for Sunday and I doubt Johnny will be holding anything back.

Given that his nearest market rival is a horse he beat four lengths at Doncaster under a hands and heels ride, there's probably still some value left in that 6/4. I'm lucky enough to be on at 14s for Epsom but I couldn't resist having a wedge of my Punchestown profits on him for Newmarket. It'll be a long sad weekend if he gets beat!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 29, 2010, 10:55:10 AM
DH – as a stats man rather than a form man, like yourself, I have a couple of reasons to oppose SNA. Only one favourite has won since 1993 and a number of them have been as hot as SNA. Of horses that won a group one race as a 2-y-o, only two have won the guineas since 1999.

It's hard to make sense of that second stat, but taking the two in combination might explain why it's so hard to predict 3-y-o performance from 2-y-o form. A theory might be that juveniles progress at different rates and the ones that are advanced at a young age have less room for further development, while those that mature later can catch up to an unexpected extent.

It might be whistling past the graveyard, but I'm relying on that theory to justify my e.w. selection, who ticks the boxes for the profile of guineas winners in the last 15 years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on April 29, 2010, 05:13:35 PM
Very late lads im sorry....

5.15 Tipp Night Spark
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 29, 2010, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on April 29, 2010, 05:13:35 PM
Very late lads im sorry....

5.15 Tipp Night Spark

Class act!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 29, 2010, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on April 29, 2010, 05:13:35 PM
Very late lads im sorry....

5.15 Tipp Night Spark

I thought some of my info was bad  :P , a 9/4 fav pulled up (obviously something gone badly wrong)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 29, 2010, 05:55:03 PM
Sammy you still reckon SNA is the boyo for this weekend? what about the other race, who's your pick?
(Not that i EVER follow you)  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 29, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 29, 2010, 05:55:03 PM
Sammy you still reckon SNA is the boyo for this weekend? what about the other race, who's your pick?
(Not that i EVER follow you)  :P

I generally do not oppose DH but Dick Turpin might be a sneaky e/w option  :-\  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 30, 2010, 04:55:05 PM
kaitlins joy is fancied to win 7.30 at cork
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 01, 2010, 12:10:33 AM
The divil wouldn't go into the stall!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 01, 2010, 04:49:19 PM
decent run from dick turpin. golden kite fancied in the 7.05 at kilbeggan 4/1, best go e/w just in case

sorry lads  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 01, 2010, 08:50:19 PM
I read that race completely wrong I have to admit. SNA just never seemed to travel with the same fluency he did at Doncaster. The faster ground is the only reason I can come up with to explain that because he looked plenty fit enough in the paddock beforehand.

I wouldn't write him off for Epsom just yet. I can see him going off a New Approach-esque price and making the frame because on breeding he should improve for 12 furlongs. A freak he ain't though. Just goes to show how special Sea The Stars was last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 02, 2010, 09:18:30 AM
Just goes to show my text i got earlier in the week to tell me the disgusting amounts Magnier and the boys wer putting on him to win were unjustified!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on May 02, 2010, 09:52:10 AM
Got word for Oor Jock in the first at Gowran Park. 13/2 available on betfair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 02, 2010, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 02, 2010, 09:52:10 AM
Got word for Oor Jock in the first at Gowran Park. 13/2 available on betfair.
1,2,3 AP O'Brien, yours up next  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2010, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 02, 2010, 09:18:30 AM
Just goes to show my text i got earlier in the week to tell me the disgusting amounts Magnier and the boys wer putting on him to win were unjustified!

I wouldn't be so sure about that BB. Anyone I was talking to down Fethard way was supremely confident. I wouldn't buy all Aidan's usual spin about being delighted with the run and how this was a great prep for the Derby. He looked shocked after the race. This was the crucial race for this colt - if they could get a son of Montjeu to win a classic over a mile he could be a goldmine for them. He was ready enough for that race yesterday but he simply wasn't good/quick enough.

Chinese White in the 4.00 at Gowran Park to get some money back today. DK has always thought an awful lot of this filly and it would be no surprise to see her land a Group 1 this summer. If she's that good she should be easily good enough for Listed level today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 02, 2010, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2010, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 02, 2010, 09:18:30 AM
Just goes to show my text i got earlier in the week to tell me the disgusting amounts Magnier and the boys wer putting on him to win were unjustified!

Chinese White in the 4.00 at Gowran Park to get some money back today. DK has always thought an awful lot of this filly and it would be no surprise to see her land a Group 1 this summer. If she's that good she should be easily good enough for Listed level today.

Nailed that one DH!!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2010, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2010, 02:46:52 PM
Chinese White in the 4.00 at Gowran Park to get some money back today. DK has always thought an awful lot of this filly and it would be no surprise to see her land a Group 1 this summer. If she's that good she should be easily good enough for Listed level today.

Very easy. I'd be very interested in her if she pitched up in the Pretty Polly on Derby weekend at the Curragh.

I'm stunned by the stewards' decision in the 1000 Guineas at Newmarket though. I didn't have a bet in the race but the decision to throw out the winner was farcical. Gile Na Gréine ran a cracker back in third. By Galileo out of a Danehill mare - every chance she'd get 1m4. 12/1 for the Oaks at the moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 03, 2010, 08:31:44 AM
http://www.racinguk.com/page/forcelogin/Racereplays/0,,12542~1581938~537615~20100502,00.html - check this race from a race yesterday-advertisers jockey should b banned!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on May 03, 2010, 12:19:38 PM
Plenty of racing action today lads, any fancies we should be checking out?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 03, 2010, 03:10:11 PM
I liked Stack's filly Lolly For Dolly on debut and there's plenty of money around for her in the next at the Curragh. Big gamble on Endless Intrigue for DK and Robbie McNamara in the bumper too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 03, 2010, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 03, 2010, 03:10:11 PM
I liked Stack's filly Lolly For Dolly on debut and there's plenty of money around for her in the next at the Curragh

I like her even more now! You can't keep the Stacks down at the moment. Irish 1000 Guineas filly?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on May 03, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
 >:( fecking missed your tip with 'Lolly For Dolly' she looked an easy winner alright, should I look at endless intrigue?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 03, 2010, 03:36:57 PM
Plenty of cash about for it. Was well fancied for Cheltenham where he ran no race. DK won the Punchestown Champion Bumper with Hidden Universe after he flopped at Cheltenham so he should have a good view of the form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on May 07, 2010, 11:01:20 AM
Anything for Chester today lads?  Seems to be a fair few punting guru's on this site  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 07, 2010, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 07, 2010, 11:01:20 AM
Anything for Chester today lads?  Seems to be a fair few punting guru's on this site  :)

debatable that...  ;D  ;D  :o Confessional in the 3.15 is my E/W nap of the day at 7/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 07, 2010, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 07, 2010, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 07, 2010, 11:01:20 AM
Anything for Chester today lads?  Seems to be a fair few punting guru's on this site  :)

debatable that...  ;D  ;D  :o Confessional in the 3.15 is my E/W nap of the day at 7/1

Im bankrupt!!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 08, 2010, 01:31:05 AM
3.35 at haydock i think it is

black jack blues has an ew chance, 20/1 at the minute
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 08, 2010, 08:40:02 AM
Quote from: Candyman on May 07, 2010, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 07, 2010, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 07, 2010, 11:01:20 AM
Anything for Chester today lads?  Seems to be a fair few punting guru's on this site  :)

debatable that...  ;D  ;D  :o Confessional in the 3.15 is my E/W nap of the day at 7/1

Im bankrupt!!!  :D


you lads from Armagh have loads of money, or always a way of getting your hands on some more  :o  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 08, 2010, 03:20:37 PM
looked a terrible injury there for aob's cap james cook in the derby trial
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 08, 2010, 03:39:21 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on May 08, 2010, 01:31:05 AM
3.35 at haydock i think it is

black jack blues has an ew chance, 20/1 at the minute

that one faded badly  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 08, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
writing was on the wall when choc gave him a reminder about four out, quick pace of the race seemed to be too much for him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 08, 2010, 10:23:28 PM
If Let Yourself Go is over his Swordlestown run when he found the only the brilliant Captain Cee Bee too good than he has serious claims down at Killarney tomorrow. I can see Carberry letting him bowl along in front and galloping the rest of the field into the ground. His forecast SP is 2/1 at the moment and that would be a good value bet in my eyes.

It doesn't look a great renewal of the Derrinstown at Leopardstown but it's a race that rarely fails to throw up a good horse. Even though Ballydoyle are still very in and out I'd expect Midas Touch to take this en route to Epsom. The Derby picture should be an awful lot clearer this time next week with Chabal, Cape Blanco, Workforce and Coordinated Cut all set to run in the Dante at York on Thursday. Very much looking forward to Gile Na Gréine in the Musidora too. I think she's a serious player for the Oaks especially now that Henry Cecil's filly was beaten at Lingfield today.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 09, 2010, 09:25:14 AM
cheers DH for your insightful comments, I thought Natal looked tempting in the 4.25  :-\ - appreciated
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 09, 2010, 03:39:08 PM
Let Yourself Go a NR anyway Sammy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 09, 2010, 04:04:38 PM
What price is Lambes horse now?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 09, 2010, 04:17:18 PM
Midas Touch does the business in the Derrinstown but a Derby winner he ain't.

I'd be surprised if Aidan will have a huge team heading to Epsom this year. Cape Blanco will have to prove his credentials on Thursday and I've heard that Jan Vermeer will head to France instead. St Nick still looks the one despite not having the speed at Newmarket.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 09, 2010, 05:31:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 08, 2010, 10:23:28 PM
Very much looking forward to Gile Na Gréine in the Musidora too. I think she's a serious player for the Oaks especially now that Henry Cecil's filly was beaten at Lingfield today.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/05/09/RACING_Musidora.html (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/05/09/RACING_Musidora.html)

Bolger said: "Gile Na Greine is going to go for the Irish Guineas, I never committed her to York and I think she deserves a proper shot at a Classic."

"The Irish Guineas is the best chance she has to do that and we will take it step by step beyond that."


Feckin Bolger  >:(

Makes the Curragh a much tougher assignment for Lolly For Dolly too.

Good win for Archie Boy down in that chase down at Killarney. I've been following him for a while so nice to see him land a fairly valuable prize. Given that he was over 40L behind Let Yourself Go in the Swordlestown I think it's safe to assume that Maguire's horse would have won that race if he had ran.

Looking forward to Famous Name running a nice trial for the Tatts Gold Cup in a few minutes. I think he can do Fame And Glory for boot if they both turn up at the Curragh on good ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 09, 2010, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 09, 2010, 05:31:15 PM
Looking forward to Famous Name running a nice trial for the Tatts Gold Cup in a few minutes. I think he can do Fame And Glory for boot if they both turn up at the Curragh on good ground.

Hmmm. Not very impressive. I don't think the race was run to suit though. He is better held up for a late burst like when he came home like a train in the French Guineas a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 10, 2010, 04:07:22 PM
Lucky 15
The Shuffler 8.10 Windsor
Peter Island 5.10 Brighton
Lackabane Jessie 5.20 Killarney
Bach and Roll 8.50 Killarney
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 11, 2010, 01:53:48 AM
Anyone else on to the Barney Curley coup yesterday morning? Some serious payouts which is great to see. Would have been millions had Somersturm not been beaten.

(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000346a9-314.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 11, 2010, 01:52:16 PM
can you elaborate
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: small white mayoman on May 11, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
Bookies count cost of four-horse gamble


Britain's bookmakers were counting the cost on Monday night after a huge gamble on four horses.

Three of the runners - Agapanthus, Savaronola and Sommersturm - were trained by Barney Curley, while Jeu De Roseau was having his first run for Chris Grant having previously been trained by Andrew Stringer.

Agapanthus scored at Brighton and Savaronola obliged at Wolverhampton, but Sommersturm failed at the latter venue. Jeu De Roseau - having his first run for 742 days - just got up at Towcester in the evening, going off at 6-4 having been available at 25-1 in the morning.

William Hill spokesman David Hood said: "There is no doubt the plotters have landed a few quid. But hats off to our trading boys who spotted these multiples very early in the morning and managed the business accordingly.

"I am being told the payouts will be seven-figures, but we have only a fraction of that. After the first two horses had won in the afternoon, we were getting the snowball effect from follow-up punters who wanted the last two in doubles, but it was SP only business by that time.

"When Sommersturm got chinned at Wolverhampton, it took the edge off and even though the last was 25-1 in the morning, at 6-4 he has done a lot less damage.

"It is impossible to gauge what has been landed, maybe seven figures, but I do know it could have been a lot worse."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 11, 2010, 03:06:47 PM
Clear Ice, Lost in Paris and Water King in a £1 each way patent.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on May 11, 2010, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on May 11, 2010, 03:06:47 PM
Clear Ice, Lost in Paris and Water King in a £1 each way patent.

So you put a horse in an ew patent that was 1/2 fav in a 6 horse race. Are you for real ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 11, 2010, 03:29:34 PM
It would have paid over £400! It was beat, the luck has deserted me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on May 11, 2010, 06:02:28 PM
No idea how reliable a tip this is, if at all, but jsut been told Capdalight in Killarney in 8 mins.  8/1 on PP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 12, 2010, 08:31:50 AM
Quote from: Treasurer on May 11, 2010, 06:02:28 PM
No idea how reliable a tip this is, if at all, but jsut been told Capdalight in Killarney in 8 mins.  8/1 on PP.

these late tips are great for the reader when they go wrong and you have read it after the race  :o unlucky Treasurer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2010, 01:48:09 PM
Not a tip but I couldn't help noticing that Starspangledbanner has his first run for Ballydoyle at York today. He'll probably need the run because he's only just out of quarantine but this horse was a bit of a machine Down Under. Had a few quid e/w on him for the sprints at Royal Ascot so I'm looking forward to seeing him run today.

Cabaret has also been well backed in the Musidora. They must be expecting a good run because she was left in the fillies race at Naas tonight after the 24hr stage but she's running at York instead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on May 12, 2010, 01:52:30 PM
think i will do a double on

Smugglin  5.50  perth
Beidh tine anseo  perth.

both evens
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2010, 01:48:09 PM
Cabaret has also been well backed in the Musidora. They must be expecting a good run because she was left in the fillies race at Naas tonight after the 24hr stage but she's running at York instead.

Ran no race at all. Doesn't look to have trained on.

Big boost for Gile Na Gréine I'd have thought. I'd be fairly certain Gold Bubbles isn't in the same league as her.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 13, 2010, 10:26:29 AM
Todays Moneymaker selection

Spiritof Sharjar 15.10 York
Chabal            14.40 York
Mayo Abbey    14.50 Perth
Leggy Lad       14.20 Perth   
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 13, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 13, 2010, 10:26:29 AM
Todays Moneymaker selection

Spiritof Sharjar 15.10 York
Chabal            14.40 York
Mayo Abbey    14.50 Perth
Leggy Lad       14.20 Perth   

Got to hand it to Bolger again. He's sold the Arabs down the river with another dud.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 26, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
Speaking of Ballydoyle horses I've been hearing very good things about an unbeaten Galileo colt called Cape Blanco. Murtagh was very impressed with how he worked at the Curragh last weekend. I'm already sitting on a 14/1 voucher on St Nicholas Abbey for Epsom but I may have an e/w saver on this lad. I wouldn't be getting too excited about any of the English colts and Godolphin are up to their old tricks already with Kingsfort already on the easy list. O'Brien would've trained the first four home in the Derby last year if it wasn't for Sea The Stars!

Happy days. Two of them running for me now!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 13, 2010, 04:04:27 PM
NAP of the day
Your Groovy in the 6.20 at Gowran Park, currently 9/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shrek on May 14, 2010, 10:17:02 AM
Got a few pound to throw away.

any good tips (horses) for today guys?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 14, 2010, 02:04:53 PM
Dangerous Midge in the 2.10 at York
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 14, 2010, 03:24:49 PM
I fancy Sunrise Safari to run a good race in the 4.20 currently 15/2 in places (word on the street says Catherineofaragon in the opener at Dundalk will win)  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 14, 2010, 03:44:34 PM
Chaparro 8.30 Dundalk
Historic Occasion 9.00 Dundalk
£5 Double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 15, 2010, 01:41:29 PM
paco boy at newbury and kerb appeal at kilbeggan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on May 15, 2010, 02:04:58 PM
anyone hear the tommy and hector show today? who did the nagmaster back?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 15, 2010, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on May 15, 2010, 02:04:58 PM
anyone hear the tommy and hector show today? who did the nagmaster back?

Barak, not sure of spelling, in the last at Navan tomor - 4/1-ish
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 15, 2010, 08:00:14 PM
dick turpin will surely go close in the french 2000 guineas tomorrow, 2nd in the english guineas and  beat canford cliffs in a guineas trial as well, 3/1 at the moment

super kenny's an interestng horse to see tomorrow at stratford, was supposedly going to be aimed at this years triupmh hurdle but could only finish nineth in the aintree equivalent, is giving weight away tomoro in the 4.20 but if is any sort of price might be good value
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2010, 08:15:52 PM
That Super Kenny will have to have learned how to settle since Liverpool. I backed him that day and he was way too keen early on. Sh1te field though so he should have enough if there's any sort of gallop on.

There's a very interesting horse entered up at Punchestown next Tuesday. Hope he's declared because he might just sneak under the radar.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 15, 2010, 09:09:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2010, 08:15:52 PM
That Super Kenny will have to have learned how to settle since Liverpool. I backed him that day and he was way too keen early on. Sh1te field though so he should have enough if there's any sort of gallop on.

There's a very interesting horse entered up at Punchestown next Tuesday. Hope he's declared because he might just sneak under the radar.  ;)

No doubt you'l keep us informed Donnelly ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 15, 2010, 10:18:03 PM
is it mikael d'haguenet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2010, 10:22:43 PM
Nope. Same yard though. Stands out like a sore thumb on flat form + breeding.

He's in the maiden hurdle that Hurricane Fly won two years ago. Very interesting if Willie lets him take his chance with a trip to Auteuil in mind.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 15, 2010, 10:34:46 PM
beat none other than superkenny this time last year and was 14/1 for the triupmh antepost...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
No you've got it  ;)

I think Willie has one or two others entered as well though so not sure he'll take his chance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 16, 2010, 09:45:03 AM
Would this horse go by the name of "Zaidpour" by any chance?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 16, 2010, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on May 16, 2010, 09:45:03 AM
Would this horse go by the name of "Zaidpour" by any chance?

Looks like it after having a look through racing post,entered at sligo and punchestown this week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 16, 2010, 10:28:43 PM
Special Duty "wins" another Classic in the stewards room - GUBU!

Rosanara is definitely the one to take out of the race for me. I think De Royre Dupre missed a trick by not prepping her for a tilt at Epsom. She's out of the Derby and Arc winning Sinndar and she looks like a mile and a half will be right up her street. She has an entry for the Irish Oaks and I wouldn't bet against her if she travels over to the Curragh on 18 July.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 16, 2010, 10:57:53 PM
super kenny at 1/3 got turned over, at 1/3 was probably a big lay opportunity
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 17, 2010, 12:05:12 PM
Zaidpour doesn't run at Punchestown tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on May 17, 2010, 12:13:28 PM
newton abbot
4.50 lieutenant miller NAP
related to some of the yards good horses (general miller) ..yards runners in these races useally to the head of the market,..reports state that his home work is good ,i carn,t see any negatives   sorry about the price...about 7/4 at the minute.....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 17, 2010, 01:09:25 PM
a bit of value in JOLLYWOOD in the first at Bath, big price so small e.w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 17, 2010, 02:03:43 PM
Impressive call there, Sammy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 17, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
Nice one Sammy, had 5 each way on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 17, 2010, 02:05:09 PM
a f**king winner, I don't believe it  :o  :o you always go in too small on the long shots!, that win!!   :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 18, 2010, 03:25:48 PM
loosen my load should win tonight at punchestown, main market rivals a non runner,  de bromhead won this race last year with sizing europe and loosen my load could be taken the same route
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 18, 2010, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on May 17, 2010, 12:05:12 PM
Zaidpour doesn't run at Punchestown tomorrow.

Would've had a sneaky punt on him for the Cheltenham novice hurdles if he'd have ran but there's no point now. I doubt Willie will have him out before October at the earliest. He doesn't run his good horses at the gaff tracks and it would be madness going to Auteuil without a run.

5/1 Lolly For Dolly for the 1000 Guineas on Sunday. That'll do me e/w. Loved her attitude at HQ the last day.
Title: 2-00
Post by: drici on May 19, 2010, 02:02:06 PM
Watched the 2-00 at Goodwood there.
Anybody got the result?
Title: Re: 2-00
Post by: sammymaguire on May 19, 2010, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: drici on May 19, 2010, 02:02:06 PM
Watched the 2-00 at Goodwood there.
Anybody got the result?

???

1st  7  Memory  9 0  R Hughes  9/4 F 
slowly into stride, took keen hold in rear on inside, not clear run from halfway until swiched sharply right to outside 2f out, headway soon after, led inside final furlong, quickened away final 100 yards, impressive 

2nd 2 3/4 lengths 5  Goodwood Treasure  9 0  E Ahern  11/1 
chased leaders, led over 1f out, headed inside final furlong, outpaced and no chance with winner final 100 yards 

3rd 1 length 4  Elkmait  9 0  S Sanders  13/2 
chased leaders, ridden over 1f out, kept on same pace final furlong 

4th 2 3/4 lengths 9  Sheila's Star  9 0  L Keniry  7/1 
chased leader, pushed along halfway, ridden over 1f out, one pace soon after 

5th Short Head 1  Apazine  9 0  R Havlin  9/2 2F 
chased leaders, ridden over 1f out, stayed on same pace inside final furlong 

6th Neck 2  Atia  9 0  Dane O'Neill  40/1 
led, ridden 2f out, headed over 1f out, stayed on same pace final furlong 

7th 1 3/4 length 6  Kalleidoscope  9 0  A Munro  12/1 
started slowly, behind, pushed along 2f out, some headway final furlong, never in contention 

8th 5 lengths 8  Miss Dutee  9 0  P Dobbs  12/1 
in touch over 3f 

9th 6 lengths 3  Broken Belle  9 0  M Hills  33/1 
slowly into stride, pulled hard and green in rear, making some headway on outside when pushed right 2f out, beaten soon after 

10th 2 1/2 lengths 10  Vow Of Silence  9 0  Ahmed Ajtebi  9/1 
raced green on outside, always behind 
Title: Re: 2-00
Post by: gerrykeegan on May 19, 2010, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 19, 2010, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: drici on May 19, 2010, 02:02:06 PM
Watched the 2-00 at Goodwood there.
Anybody got the result?

???

1st  7  Memory  9 0  R Hughes  9/4 F 
slowly into stride, took keen hold in rear on inside, not clear run from halfway until swiched sharply right to outside 2f out, headway soon after, led inside final furlong, quickened away final 100 yards, impressive 

2nd 2 3/4 lengths 5  Goodwood Treasure  9 0  E Ahern  11/1 
chased leaders, led over 1f out, headed inside final furlong, outpaced and no chance with winner final 100 yards 

3rd 1 length 4  Elkmait  9 0  S Sanders  13/2 
chased leaders, ridden over 1f out, kept on same pace final furlong 

4th 2 3/4 lengths 9  Sheila's Star  9 0  L Keniry  7/1 
chased leader, pushed along halfway, ridden over 1f out, one pace soon after 

5th Short Head 1  Apazine  9 0  R Havlin  9/2 2F 
chased leaders, ridden over 1f out, stayed on same pace inside final furlong 

6th Neck 2  Atia  9 0  Dane O'Neill  40/1 
led, ridden 2f out, headed over 1f out, stayed on same pace final furlong 

7th 1 3/4 length 6  Kalleidoscope  9 0  A Munro  12/1 
started slowly, behind, pushed along 2f out, some headway final furlong, never in contention 

8th 5 lengths 8  Miss Dutee  9 0  P Dobbs  12/1 
in touch over 3f 

9th 6 lengths 3  Broken Belle  9 0  M Hills  33/1 
slowly into stride, pulled hard and green in rear, making some headway on outside when pushed right 2f out, beaten soon after 

10th 2 1/2 lengths 10  Vow Of Silence  9 0  Ahmed Ajtebi  9/1 
raced green on outside, always behind

Sammy

You havent got Drici's odd sense of humour yet!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 19, 2010, 02:48:52 PM
its a tad on the dry side but still for clarification purposes  :-*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 19, 2010, 06:06:11 PM
Heard a few whispers for Red Seven in the 6.40 at Sligo. Worth a few bob e/w.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 19, 2010, 07:29:44 PM
Got the place money anyway. Nice betting bank now for the weekend action at the Curragh.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hectorsheroes on May 21, 2010, 02:16:06 PM
Anything fancied today or over the weekend?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on May 21, 2010, 02:39:22 PM
Adatara – 8-15pm – Wexford...currently around 9/1. could someone in the know tell me if this mule has a chance as i was just given it as a tip and i've only ever been given one tip from this man before and it won. He said it's from the stable?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on May 21, 2010, 07:00:37 PM
hes not running, so no chance :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on May 21, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Wexford is a strange place. A NR has won their before. I'll back it just in case!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 21, 2010, 10:13:46 PM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on May 21, 2010, 02:16:06 PM
Anything fancied today or over the weekend?

Lolly For Dolly e/w in the 1000G on Sunday.

The former Kildare midfielder Willie McCreery has a nice 2yo Acclamation filly running tomorrow (Lightening Thief). She bolted up at Cork a fortnight ago and Willie was saying that Royal Ascot might be on the agenda. If she's that good, she might be a nice e/w bet tomorrow with the dead eight in the field. Looks a hot little race though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on May 21, 2010, 10:16:08 PM
What are u thinking for the guineas tomorrow DH? I'm undecided at the min. Struggling to make head nor tail of the flat at all this year!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 21, 2010, 10:23:55 PM
Looks a bit of a minefield Mickey. O'Brien looks to be employing the scattergun approach again in the hope that one might be good enough. I liked Steinbeck at the end of last year and had him at decent odds for Newmarket. If he's 100% for his reappearance he'll take all the beating but I don't think you could seriously consider backing him at the current price given how Ballydoyle's seem to be coming on for a run. The market should be informative.

I'll probably regret saying this but I can't have Canford Cliffs at all. Didn't stay for me at Newmarket and the Curragh is a stiffer mile. If I do have a bet it'll probably be a small e/w wager on Noll Wallop. The Stack's have been funding my account for about two months now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on May 21, 2010, 10:32:47 PM
Sounds good, I'll have a few quid e/w on that one myself. Hopefully u won't be far off the mark as usual!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2010, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 21, 2010, 10:23:55 PM
I'll probably regret saying this but I can't have Canford Cliffs at all. Didn't stay for me at Newmarket and the Curragh is a stiffer mile.

Humble pie?

:-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 03:09:01 PM
You weren't the only one, DH. Connections weren't too sure either.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 24, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
Anne of Kiev 710 Windsor
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on May 24, 2010, 06:28:12 PM
Quote from: boojangles on May 24, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
Anne of Kiev 710 Windsor

is it a good tip?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Longshanks on May 24, 2010, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: boojangles on May 24, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
Anne of Kiev 710 Windsor

Great call stuck £20 on as had a few bets come up recently, that'll fund a few drinks in the sunshine, cheers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 24, 2010, 07:25:36 PM
good stuff, limped on as well,

lucky 15 for fun

Tiradito 7.55 thirsk
Destiny Dream 8.25 Th
Fasliyanne 8.55 Th
Maslak 8.40 Windsor
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hectorsheroes on May 27, 2010, 02:16:47 PM
No Tips anywhere? I see even David Cameron is at it now, no doubt the f**ker will get a dead heat!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 27, 2010, 06:16:50 PM
8.25 Clonmel

Macra Na Feirme


1st tip ive got from the source so i'll have a wee punt.... Not even sure on price!!

Just read up on it, probably start fav....  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 27, 2010, 06:19:46 PM
what chances does he give it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 27, 2010, 06:20:48 PM
he says its gonna win Bomber...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lady GAA GAA on May 27, 2010, 06:24:59 PM
Illustrious Blue in the 710 at Sandown
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 27, 2010, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on May 27, 2010, 06:24:59 PM
Illustrious Blue in the 710 at Sandown

Illustrius blue, reminds me of a certain Harps corner back.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 27, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 27, 2010, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on May 27, 2010, 06:24:59 PM
Illustrious Blue in the 710 at Sandown

Illustrius blue, reminds me of a certain Harps corner back.

Dont think he was trying to win, sat at the back, pushed him to mid division, looked like a chance, dropped him to the back again, then came home quick for 4th.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 27, 2010, 10:04:43 PM
always one candy!!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2010, 02:42:46 PM
Jan Vermeer now favourite for Epsom after St Nicholas Abbey apparently worked poorly on the gallops this morning. Very interesting to see which one Johnny ends up choosing. Time for a hedge methinks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 28, 2010, 11:14:03 PM
I think nows the time to get onto st. nick,ive a feeling hell impress in his runout next week and will shorten again  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 29, 2010, 12:22:35 AM
agreed, could be an aob ploy to increase the odds for the owners.

anyone see findlay charged for laying his own horses, he'd try and get with murder findlay-crook
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: adevvabr on May 29, 2010, 01:50:21 AM
I think findlay only layed his horse for a fraction of what he'd already backed it on betfair and has been very open about this situation I dont think he realised he was in the wrong when he layed it!! Id find he is generally very open about all of his horses and bets...hardly a crook anyway!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 29, 2010, 11:35:17 AM
any news on young Lawlor after his fall last night?

also, The Four Masters expected to win the 2.20 Navan 2/1, backed off the boards, someone forgot to tell the horse  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 29, 2010, 11:46:59 AM
Sammy last i heard he was royal victoria hospital Belfast with serious head injuries.hopefullly will be alright
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 13aside on May 29, 2010, 12:38:31 PM
sky news reported that he was stable and that the doctors were hopeful and more positive than last night-best wishes to the young man for a full recovery
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 29, 2010, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on May 29, 2010, 12:22:35 AM
agreed, could be an aob ploy to increase the odds for the owners.

I don't think that's the case. It's not like some Charles Byrnes or Tony Martin nag that is plotted up for a handicap at one of the gaff tracks. Tabor and Magnier are hardly that bothered with the odds about the colt. Their primary concern is getting the best possible stallions they can and that's why it's so odd for O'Brien to be coming out and saying the horse didn't gallop well. He normaly comes out with the same old ráiméis about how both horses have so much speed and how Johnny can't choose between them. I'm on SNA at 14s since his debut at the Curragh last year but I'm hedging my bets now. I fully expect Ballydoyle to win the Derby because there's very little else in the race. Both the Khalib Abdullah horses hardly have typical classic winning profiles and the Godolphin colts are rubbish - it's no wonder Bolger has bought half of the sunny south-east with the amount of money the Sheikh has being throwing at him for average colts.

Quote from: adevvabr on May 29, 2010, 01:50:21 AM
I think findlay only layed his horse for a fraction of what he'd already backed it on betfair and has been very open about this situation I dont think he realised he was in the wrong when he layed it!! Id find he is generally very open about all of his horses and bets...hardly a crook anyway!!

I'm no fan of Findlay (very shady history to say the least - just ask Vincent Hogan!) but in this case I don't think he has done an awful lot wrong. Slap on the wrists and move on IMO.

Quote from: sammymaguire on May 29, 2010, 11:35:17 AM
any news on young Lawlor after his fall last night?

Looks like he is on the mend thank god. Brought back memoris of the tragic Kieran Kelly and Seánie Cleary incidents back in 2003. I presume he is related to the Lawlors that play for St Laurences if he is a Ballitore man?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 29, 2010, 11:33:32 PM
fair enough dh, magnier isnt short of a few quid so hes probly not worried about odds at this stage as you say.
deutschland and thousand stars are running in auteil tomoro for willie mullins in the 4.45, will be checking the odds tomoro morning with interest.
age of aquarius is probably a certainty to win tomoro but wont be touching 1/2 anyways
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on May 31, 2010, 11:37:50 AM
St Nichols Abbey out to 4/1, when does he start becoming value?

weapons amnesty looks set to miss next years gold cup with an injury sustained in the years rsa, just shows what a gruelling race that truely is
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 31, 2010, 03:17:58 PM
There must be huge doubts over whether SNA will run at all now. They wouldn't have bothered leaving both Galileo colts in the race this morning if they weren't worried about his participation.

Disappointing about Weapons Amnesty but I doubt he's within a stone of Gold Cup class anyway. The only novices that I can see possibly stepping up to that level are Sicknote Europe and Mad Max.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on May 31, 2010, 06:06:45 PM
1st post and hopefully a winner Anaverna in the 6-30 ballinrobe
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 01, 2010, 09:41:41 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 31, 2010, 03:17:58 PM
There must be huge doubts over whether SNA will run at all now. They wouldn't have bothered leaving both Galileo colts in the race this morning if they weren't worried about his participation.

Disappointing about Weapons Amnesty but I doubt he's within a stone of Gold Cup class anyway. The only novices that I can see possibly stepping up to that level are Sicknote Europe and Mad Max.

Good call on St. Nic

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8715285.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8715285.stm)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 01, 2010, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on May 31, 2010, 06:06:45 PM
1st post and hopefully a winner Anaverna in the 6-30 ballinrobe

Great shout Brudge Fan, favourite or no favourite!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 01, 2010, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 01, 2010, 09:41:41 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 31, 2010, 03:17:58 PM
There must be huge doubts over whether SNA will run at all now. They wouldn't have bothered leaving both Galileo colts in the race this morning if they weren't worried about his participation.

Disappointing about Weapons Amnesty but I doubt he's within a stone of Gold Cup class anyway. The only novices that I can see possibly stepping up to that level are Sicknote Europe and Mad Max.

Good call on St. Nic

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8715285.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8715285.stm)

Expect him to be carted off to stud fairly sharpish á la Footstepsinthesand.

All the warning signs are there. APOB saying in his statement this morning that "we always thought SNA could walk on water" but no mention of hoping to have him back for the Curragh or Sandown Park in a months time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 02, 2010, 10:54:47 AM
Some reading on Barney Curley's recent coup

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/barney-curley-nobody-will-win-as-much-on-horse-racing-in-100-years-1988728.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/racing/closed-accounts-and-immediate-refunds-ndash-why-curleys-full-jackpot-remains-unpaid-1988729.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 02, 2010, 12:41:19 PM
perfect blossom 3.10-nottingham-expected to go very close
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 02, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
Love it homer!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 02, 2010, 01:35:21 PM
Class, Barney the Legend & a gentleman. His charity is to my mind, by far and away the most worth of all third world aid charities.  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 02, 2010, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 02, 2010, 12:41:19 PM
perfect blossom 3.10-nottingham-expected to go very close

UP COOTEHILL!!!! got 11/2 in runnnnnning on the fair!!!  :o  :D  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 02, 2010, 03:28:07 PM
Barney Curley truly is a great guy, I hope he publishes another book before he retires.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 02, 2010, 03:30:38 PM
Nicely done BB.

Beer Baron and Boojangles have been doing the Cavan men proud of late. Could be an interesting idea to set up a gaaboard All-Ireland tipping challenge.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2010, 04:23:52 PM
8.50 at Kempton, Swiss Cross. currently at 9/2.

i don't do tips but i might have a pop at this
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shrek on June 02, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2010, 04:23:52 PM
8.50 at Kempton, Swiss Cross. currently at 9/2.

i don't do tips but i might have a pop at this

is it just a personal fancy Milltown

I have a few bob spare after that last horse, so might throw some on this one as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 02, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Cootehill for sam
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 02, 2010, 05:34:23 PM
Good man. 11/2 winner is nice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 02, 2010, 06:33:08 PM
Alburj in the 9-00 fairyhouse is meant to be 1 off welds better 3yo hasn't shown it so far i lost a few quid on it the last day at leop and going 2 give it another go tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on June 02, 2010, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 02, 2010, 03:28:07 PM
Barney Curley truly is a great guy, I hope he publishes another book before he retires.

I thought the autobiography was pretty standard sports bio, but the chapter on Yellow Sam and the detail of the whole coup is definitely worth reading
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 03, 2010, 09:06:30 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 02, 2010, 06:33:08 PM
Alburj in the 9-00 fairyhouse is meant to be 1 off welds better 3yo hasn't shown it so far i lost a few quid on it the last day at leop and going 2 give it another go tonight

unlucky beaten by a good 'un
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 03, 2010, 03:07:35 PM
Check out the gamble going on Mike O'Hare's horses at Wetherby tonight. All five horses to be ridden by Andy Lynch. Barney Curleyesque?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 03, 2010, 03:39:16 PM
PP and some other bookmakers are only offering SP on the five races... Running scared?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 03, 2010, 04:57:13 PM
Most Bookmakers in town here (Armagh) are only offering SP's also...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 04:58:09 PM
Sammy Pat @ 13/8 
Vincent Pipe @ 7/4   
Turner Brown @ 7/4   
Bale O'shea @ 13/8   
Willie Martin @ 15/8
£5 win Accumulator for interest
This really would be the mother of all coups!
Got the prices in William Hill.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on June 03, 2010, 05:02:54 PM
Cheers DH,

Had a wee tipple myself, they've been backed from 16's and 14's into what you see above. I got 3/1 x3, 11/4 and 5/2 earlier so fingers crossed.

Anyone have that link for watching the races that was floating about around cheltenham time? It's on RUK and i only have ATR in the house

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 05:07:00 PM
A HUGE gamble on five Irish raiders, all trained by Michael O'Hare and ridden by Andrew Lynch, is under way on Wetherby's race card this evening, forcing some bookmakers to stop taking bets on the runners.

The gamble is reminiscent of the recent Barney Curley-inspired coup that left bookmakers reeling and £2 million out of pocket.


O'Hare's father, gambler Barney O'Hare who owns Bar One Racing bookmakers, has successfully pulled off a significant coup before, at Naas on October 31.

Michael O'Hare trained three winners from as many runners that day, collecting a reported €2 million in the process when he had a permit to train just four horses. O'Hare now has a permit to train six horses.

Speaking to racingpost.com on Thursday, Barney O'Hare, who is at Wetherby, said: "Michael actually didthe trainers' course the other week, but he hasn't done the interview yet so he's still restricted to six horses.


"I hold the assistant trainers' licence with him and I adore helping him out. I actually drove the lorry over yesterday while he flew over this morning with Andrew Lynch.

"We're hoping things go well tonight. This meeting at Wetherby really fitted into the plan Michael had for the horses and they've been aimed at it.

"They all want goodish ground and when we walked the track this morning it was lovely. Hopefully they'll put in a big show, it's a beautiful night for it."

However, he added: "The one worry is the travelling as we left at two 'o' clock yesterday afternoon and didn't get here until 11.30 the same evening."

Ladbrokes spokeswoman Hayley O'Connor said: "We have certainly seen some bets that have attracted out attention and we are focused on them."

William Hill director of racing and PR David Hood said: "Our boys have traded them with caution and we were on the right side of them but as the prices have collapsed we've seen small business for them."


Paddy Power: stopped taking be

 
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Paddy Power of Paddy Power, who were the first to stop taking bets on the five, said: "We took half a million euros worth of liabilities, all in multiples, then raised the white flag. We're relieved we took evasive action when we did,but we're still going to do our brains if more than two or three come in."

Nicola McGeady of Boylesports, also SP only now, said: "We have taken plenty of multiples and in view of their source we took action quickly so asnot to build up large liabilities."

Among the runners for O'Hare at Wetherby is Bale O'Shea, who sports the colours of Barney's wife Tracey, as do the rest of the runners.

Bale O'Shea was part of the successful gamble in October but was also responsible for downing an attempted gamble in April 2009 when he could only finish second at Kelso after Montana Slim, the other horse in the double, had bolted up at the Punchestown festival.

The five runners are:

6.00 (3) Sammy Pat, 3-1 (from 25)

7.05 (5) Willie Martin, 4-1 (from 16)

7.35 (11) Vincent Pipe, 9-4 (from 10)

8.10 (1) Turner Brown, 9-4 (from 11)

8.45 (11) Bale O'Shea, 2-1 (from 8)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 03, 2010, 05:09:10 PM
I think it's worth taking them on at this stage myself

Quote from: bamboo on June 03, 2010, 05:02:54 PM
Anyone have that link for watching the races that was floating about around cheltenham time? It's on RUK and i only have ATR in the house

That link was dead last time I checked.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 05:28:52 PM
William Hill maximum stake on any of these horses is just £1 now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 08:59:31 PM
AFTER an afternoon of intrigue the Wetherby gamble on the five Michael O'Hare-trained Irish raiders fell apart on Thursday as the first three runners were all well beaten.

Vincent Pipe became the third loser when managing only third in the 2m6f handicap hurdle, but he at least fared better than his stablemates Sammy Pat and Willie Martin, both of whom finished last in their races.

Vincent Pipe drifted out to 5-1 having been cut to 6-4 (from 10-1) earlier in the day following similar drifts for Willie Martin (4-1 out to 11-1) and Sammy Pat (3-1 out to 4-1) as confidence in the gamble evaporated.

Sammy Pat's price had collapsed to 3-1 from 25-1 and Willie Martin's to 4-1 from 16-1 during the afternoon, as bookmakers ran for cover following significant support in multiple bets for the five O'Hare runners. Some firms refused to take further bets on the Irish raiders.
"It's been a bit of fun, and we thought most of them would run well, but the bookmakers certainly overreacted. They haven't forgotten us from last time - or the other Barney a three weeks ago!"



The remaining runner is Bale O'Shea (2-1 from 8 in the 8.45).

O'Hare's father, gambler Barney O'Hare who owns Bar One Racing bookmakers, successfully pulled off a significant coup at Naas on October 31.

Speaking after the first three losers he said the bookmakers had "overreacted" to a number of Lucky 15 bets he had placed.

Barney O'Hare told racingpost.com: "It was a massive overreaction on the part of the bookmakers, but we caught them in late October with a good one and they haven't forgotten.

"We had €1 each-way Lucky 15, quite a few of them, with some of the big firms, and the prices just collapsed. We've planned it for months, and admittedly some of the horses have been a bit disappointing.

"We scoped Sammy Pat after the first and he had mucus on his lungs, so that explains his poor run, but Willie Martin ran all right, he was up against some decent horses, and ran well enough.

"Vincent Pipe has been very difficult to train, he keeps going lame, so he did well enough to finish third.

"The one I really like is Bale O'Shea in the handicap chase, though its a stiff ask in a handicap first time over fences.





At least he got the last one right!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2010, 03:11:05 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 08:59:31 PM
"We had €1 each-way Lucky 15, quite a few of them, with some of the big firms, and the prices just collapsed. We've planned it for months, and admittedly some of the horses have been a bit disappointing.

:D

€1 e/w lucy 15............ Yeah right!!  :D

All over Fame And Glory later today. Can't see him beaten in the Coronation Cup. Sariska is a very useful mare but I doubt she'd have got within an asses roar of Sea The Stars last year like F&G did.

The Oaks looks a bit of a minefield. I was impressed with Bolger's filly at Naas though. A lot of people will be put off by the blinds and her running style. If she's in front rounding Tattenham corner she'll take some passing up that straight. She's by Hernando out of a Darshaan mare so 12F should be right up her street - good e/w value.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 04, 2010, 12:24:36 PM
Just looking through yesterdays results and I seen Barney Curleys horse Agapanthus won at Sandown 8.55 at 6/1, wouldn't be surprised if that was supposed to be the last leg of the O' Hare gamble, as the 2 Barney's are mates. 6/1 and a 9/2 (but they probably got bigger in the morning), not a bad days work.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 04, 2010, 01:44:54 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2010, 03:11:05 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 08:59:31 PM
"We had €1 each-way Lucky 15, quite a few of them, with some of the big firms, and the prices just collapsed. We've planned it for months, and admittedly some of the horses have been a bit disappointing.

:D

€1 e/w lucy 15............ Yeah right!!  :D

All over Fame And Glory later today. Can't see him beaten in the Coronation Cup. Sariska is a very useful mare but I doubt she'd have got within an asses roar of Sea The Stars last year like F&G did.

The Oaks looks a bit of a minefield. I was impressed with Bolger's filly at Naas though. A lot of people will be put off by the blinds and her running style. If she's in front rounding Tattenham corner she'll take some passing up that straight. She's by Hernando out of a Darshaan mare so 12F should be right up her street - good e/w value.

Just backed it earlier and came on to check the Pro's view. I'm happy enough now.If its good enough for Donnelly, its good enough for me.
Like Bolgers horse in the Oaks too, and might take a look at one he has running in the last at the Curragh.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2010, 05:30:27 PM
He did it nicely Booj. Bolger's filly a bit disappointing though. Never looked as to be enjoying as much as she did at Naas.

Hard to look past Ballydoyle again in the big one tomorrow. St Nicholas Abbey and Cape Blanco were the two I'd picked out back in the Spring so the race has been costly enough for me. I'll probably end up backing both Midas Touch (e/w) and Jan Vermeer. It looks a very disappointing renewal with only one Group 1 winner in it and the champion 2yo missing as well. The fact that the second fav has only won a Goodwood maiden says it all.

I'd be sweet enough on Cape Blanco at Chantilly as well. Could be a big weekend for the Coolmore mafia.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2010, 06:15:27 PM
If I'm backing Midas Touch tomoorw I might as well have a few bob on Address Unknown in the 7.00 at HQ tonight. Only noticed just there that he's running.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on June 04, 2010, 09:20:51 PM
big drift on jan vermeer, 11/4 on betfair at the minute
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on June 05, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
what a bizarre derby, i saw at first sight at 200/1 earlier today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 07, 2010, 07:52:56 PM
http://totegoracingclub.com/Content/club/tgrclubreg.aspx?id=12363

lads anyone intrested join up in this its free you can get into selected race meetings  and i see  downroyal on friday week is 1 of the
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 07, 2010, 08:46:48 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 07, 2010, 07:52:56 PM
http://totegoracingclub.com/Content/club/tgrclubreg.aspx?id=12363

lads anyone intrested join up in this its free you can get into selected race meetings  and i see  downroyal on friday week is 1 of the

Already a member. Went to a couple of meetings with it. When I went to Leopardstown I got into the premiun seating with it. There was a trip to Michael Halford's yard yesterday which would have been good craic. It is all for free which I really can't believe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on June 08, 2010, 03:09:09 PM
Ive ran into a bit of access money lads, any one wanna point me in the direction of a few winners?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 08, 2010, 04:34:26 PM
what is access money?? do you mean excess money?  :-[

word is pretty good on Cannon Fire to repeat its last effort in the 7.05...... just checked the price, mmmm double it with Valantino Oyster in the 5.15 then  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 05:36:00 PM
Has any body been on the Paddy Power website recently.
They are offering free T-Shirts for all registered customers in association with the World Cup.There is a link for it on the left hand side of the home page.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 08, 2010, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 05:36:00 PM
Has any body been on the Paddy Power website recently.
(http://content.paddypower.com/sportsbook/wc-teeshirts/)

http://content.paddypower.com/sportsbook/wc-teeshirts/ just ordered my lucky pants! didn't need them today though  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 05:51:59 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on June 08, 2010, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 05:36:00 PM
Has any body been on the Paddy Power website recently.
(http://content.paddypower.com/sportsbook/wc-teeshirts/)

http://content.paddypower.com/sportsbook/wc-teeshirts/ just ordered my lucky pants! didn't need them today though  ;D

Same here, they have a great novelty factor to them. I might get the whole family to sign up to Paddy Power so I can get a pair for every day of the week. I need all the luck I can get.  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 08, 2010, 06:19:09 PM
Nice spot lads. Have them ordered. Might wear them outside my trousers at Cheltenham next year!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 09, 2010, 10:16:12 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 08, 2010, 06:19:09 PM
Nice spot lads. Have them ordered. Might wear them outside my trousers at Cheltenham next year!

Like the pockets then?  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 10, 2010, 06:10:56 PM
Bitta money on zareyiba in the 9.05 at leopardstown,1st time out and berry on board mite be worth a little flutter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 10, 2010, 09:09:54 PM
Great shout Beer Baron, just had 5 on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 10, 2010, 09:33:25 PM
Good man BB but the last of my PP account on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 11, 2010, 12:47:02 PM
Invincible lad running at 4.35 york today,got boxed in last time out before finishing very strongly,could go close-just a fancy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 11, 2010, 05:06:18 PM
Fecker came 4th
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2010, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: Homer on June 09, 2010, 10:16:12 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 08, 2010, 06:19:09 PM
Nice spot lads. Have them ordered. Might wear them outside my trousers at Cheltenham next year!

Like the pockets then?  ;)

:D

Prefer the inside pocket of the suit tbh!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
Day 1 at Royal Ascot immenent so time to get the top hat and tails ready so one doesn't offend dear old Lizzy and tally-ho!

The Queen Anne is the best race of the week and it's the first of the meeting. I think it's between the golden filly and the ripper. Can't have Paco Boy repeating last year's win against those two. He was stuffed by Rip Van Winkle at Goodwood and I see no reason why he'll turn that around. Given Ballydoyle's indifferent form I'm tempted to side with Goldikova but I'm worried about her draw in stall 1. She can be a bit muleish at the gates and I'd be worried she'll do something quare at the start like jump out away from the field and drift towards the rail. I'd prefer if she was drawn in amongst horses where Peslier could get her settled. If the Ripper drifts in the morning and there's any 4/1 around I'd be tempted to go in e/w but I'll probably sit on my hands and enjoy what should be a cracker.

I'd expect Canford Cliffs to turn Newmarket Guineas form around with the French horse in the St James Palace but the prices are all wrong for me. CC is way too short to be a betting proposition for me given the opposition. Steinbeck will have come on a tonne for the run at the Curragh and I'd expect him to be an awful lot closer this time round.

I really liked this Zoffany at Naas and it's noteworthy that Murtagh has gone for him over Samuel Morse who has better form in the book. I'll be having a decent e/w bet on him to turn over the Hannon jolly in the Coventry.

I don't know an awful lot about most of the English flat horses in some of the lesser races on the card so I'll play it parochially and stick with our own. Small stake e/w bets on Queally's in the 5.00 and DK's in the 5:35.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 15, 2010, 09:01:00 AM
It's a rare excursion into the multiple market for me, just for the crack, with some of the same selections, though I prefer Rajik to Elyaadi, mostly because of the 7lbs off and a jockey who can probably make use of it.  E.w. trixie RVW, Steinbeck and Rajik.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 15, 2010, 09:41:31 AM
DH do you think Rip Van Winkle can win this race? i read J Murtagh's bit on Sunday about this race and he was saying he couldn't wait to get the ride...but what concerned me was he said "the race should bring her on a good bit" which sounds like it will be just too sharp for her first time out this year???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 15, 2010, 10:18:32 AM
I will definetly be backing Rip van Winkle today, at the start of the season all the O'Brien horses were running stinkers, then going and winning next time out. I'd say that was to do with the lack of work done during the cold spells, otherwise I say we would have seen RVW sooner. He is the only horse really that has a bit of value in the race.
If Goldikova performs to her usual high standards then she should win, but after that race at Longchamp were Peslier couldn't get her settled you could be worried about her draw, on that day she was drawn on the extreme outside.

My picks for the day are:

2.30 RIP VAN WINKLE
3.05 KINGSGATE NATIVE (Markab)
3.50 SIYOUNI (Canford Cliffs)
4.25 SAMUEL MORSE (STRONG SUIT)
5.00 PERFECT SHOT (Woolfall Treasure)
5.35 METROPOLITAN MAN

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 15, 2010, 12:47:22 PM
One bet today-Elyaadi e/w did me a good turn last time out hopefully repeats it :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 15, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
lucky 15

RVW
Markab
Canford
Zoff

I feel lucky today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 15, 2010, 02:33:12 PM
That was an impressive enough performance by the girl although Paco boy was coming like train.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 15, 2010, 03:48:16 PM
I dunno i think Goldikova was never gonna lose,if paco boy ever got boy she would've went again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 15, 2010, 03:51:37 PM
just done dick Turpin
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 15, 2010, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 15, 2010, 03:51:37 PM
just done dick Turpin

At least you got a run for your money.

In the next race I'm using the theory of picking the "weaker" of the 2 horses of the same trainer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2010, 04:35:12 PM
Great day for the Hannon's even with Paco Boy getting chinned. Hopefully Goldikova and Canford Cliffs take each other on before the end of the summer. Two cracking milers and I suspect America will be on the agenda for both.

I'm writing off the rest of the week for Ballydoyle. You simply can't back them at the moment unless there's significant money behind them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onthehill on June 15, 2010, 10:34:55 PM
Spectait out tomorrow. Great stayer for the mile. Unlucky at goodwood last time it was there class 2. Odds of 40/1 on Paddy p and 1/4 for 5 places. too good to miss.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 15, 2010, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Onthehill on June 15, 2010, 10:34:55 PM
Spectait out tomorrow. Great stayer for the mile. Unlucky at goodwood last time it was there class 2. Odds of 40/1 on Paddy p and 1/4 for 5 places. too good to miss.

Ill stick that into my lucky 15 tomorrow-anyone else have any fancies for tomorrow preferably at ascot and an e/w price,i haven't looked at anything yet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 16, 2010, 10:36:52 AM
Some big fields and some very evenly matched horses in the big races, should be a great deal of excitement today.

My picks for today at Royal Ascot.

2.30 RED JAZZ 13/2 (Field Of Dreams 12/1)
3.05 ANTARA 7/2
3.50 BYWORD 3/1 (Shalanaya 9/1)
4.25 DANDY BOY 8/1 (TRYST 14/1, Riggins 12/1)
5.00 MEOW 10/3
5.35 SAFINA 4/1 (Miss Zooter 9/1)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 16, 2010, 10:42:43 AM
Anyone know anything about a nag called Kingdom of Munster. It used to be with O'Brien but is now with Ian Williams over here. Its down to run in a handicap tomorrow at ascot and will be massive price. Someone tipped it to be a while back but it was withdrawn from a race the other week. Is it an O'Brien cast off because its a goat or could it be a horse still with a bit of class downgraded. :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 16, 2010, 02:34:36 PM
Ah feck, near got the first one up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 17, 2010, 11:18:39 AM
Fancy Zebedee in the opener, seemed to have plenty left when winning 1st time out and a CD winner. Gertruide Bell 3.05.
I want to back Age of Aqurius in the big one and probably will but Ballydoyle certainly aint firing well (any info welcome). and Navajo chief 4.25.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2010, 03:57:06 PM
Yeeeeeha!

Great to see a NH horse stuffing the blue bloods. Well done to the master of Rosewell - up Kildare!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 17, 2010, 04:29:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2010, 03:57:06 PM
Yeeeeeha!

Great to see a NH horse stuffing the blue bloods. Well done to the master of Rosewell - up Kildare!

Great to see, think he is going for the Melbourne Cup as well. That Peddlers Cross must be some horse, all things taken into consideration.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 17, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2010, 03:57:06 PM
Yeeeeeha!

Great to see a NH horse stuffing the blue bloods. Well done to the master of Rosewell - up Kildare!

Yeeha as rite. Had 5ew at 20/1. I knew it would stay from seeing it at Cheltenham. What a race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 17, 2010, 04:37:23 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 16, 2010, 10:42:43 AM
Anyone know anything about a nag called Kingdom of Munster. It used to be with O'Brien but is now with Ian Williams over here. Its down to run in a handicap tomorrow at ascot and will be massive price. Someone tipped it to be a while back but it was withdrawn from a race the other week. Is it an O'Brien cast off because its a goat or could it be a horse still with a bit of class downgraded. :-\

Non-Runner again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 17, 2010, 04:38:30 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 17, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2010, 03:57:06 PM
Yeeeeeha!

Great to see a NH horse stuffing the blue bloods. Well done to the master of Rosewell - up Kildare!

Yeeha as rite. Had 5ew at 20/1. I knew it would stay from seeing it at Cheltenham. What a race.

Another nice boost to the form of Peddlers Cross
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on June 17, 2010, 04:46:50 PM
any tips this evening lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2010, 04:49:32 PM
Not sure he'll go to Australia. I'd say Profound Beauty will end up at Flemington given that Rite Of Passage will be handicapped to the hilt now.

I'd love to see him having a crack at the Champion Hurdle. No better man than DK to get them ready. Best Irish trainer by a country mile IMHO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2010, 04:52:31 PM
Quote from: randomtask on June 17, 2010, 04:46:50 PM
any tips this evening lads?

Not a tip but noticed there's plenty of money behind Robbie Hennessy's in the first at Tipperary. Second behind Pitoni at Punchestown during the winter. Surely a reproduction of that run would be good enough to win a summer maiden hurdle at Limerick Junction?
Title: Cuimhne
Post by: drici on June 18, 2010, 02:37:06 PM
Watched the 2-30 at Ascot there.
Anybody got the result?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2010, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2010, 04:35:12 PM
I'm writing off the rest of the week for Ballydoyle. You simply can't back them at the moment unless there's significant money behind them.

Can't keep them hoors down for long.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 19, 2010, 04:12:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2010, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2010, 04:35:12 PM
I'm writing off the rest of the week for Ballydoyle. You simply can't back them at the moment unless there's significant money behind them.

Can't keep them hoors down for long.

who picks all the cool names??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on June 22, 2010, 01:18:25 PM
France

Flat jockey Christophe Soumillon — taking only his second ever ride over hurdles — finds the early gallop a bit too slow for his liking and decides to make a mockery of the jumps jockeys.

By the way, this isn't a shitty handicap, it's the 2010 French Champion Hurdle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=423C5E2LaUo

Incroyable!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 22, 2010, 01:50:17 PM
That really is hilarious how easy he won France's biggest Hurdle race.

Best part is when he throws his whip into the crowd and also when the other horses cross the line everybody is booing!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 22, 2010, 03:57:14 PM
Thats a complete disgrace!!!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 22, 2010, 05:42:59 PM
How did they let that happen?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on June 22, 2010, 08:37:33 PM
Anyone hear about a bit of a coup on D four Dave yesterday in kilbeggan?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 22, 2010, 08:44:16 PM
Quote from: ludermor on June 22, 2010, 08:37:33 PM
Anyone hear about a bit of a coup on D four Dave yesterday in kilbeggan?

caught the tail end of it on the radio at 7 there, what was the craic, alot of lads place their bets at exactly 3pm on the dot or something?? fair play to them http://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing/dancera-takes-spoils-in-style-2229506.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 23, 2010, 08:55:35 AM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/classic-gamble-proves-a-winner-8364200000-in-oldschool-betting-coup-2230809.html (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/classic-gamble-proves-a-winner-8364200000-in-oldschool-betting-coup-2230809.html)

Classic is right !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 23, 2010, 09:46:41 AM
3.05 Carlisle Rainbow Mirage.

Was given this one 2/3 weeks ago and was told to watch for it when it turned out at Carlisle by a guy that supposedly knows a local trainer. Well its entered today and thats as much as i know about it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onthehill on June 23, 2010, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: maddog on June 23, 2010, 09:46:41 AM
3.05 Carlisle Rainbow Mirage.

Was given this one 2/3 weeks ago and was told to watch for it when it turned out at Carlisle by a guy that supposedly knows a local trainer. Well its entered today and thats as much as i know about it.

Seems to be a bit of money for it this morning. Any other info?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 23, 2010, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: Onthehill on June 23, 2010, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: maddog on June 23, 2010, 09:46:41 AM
3.05 Carlisle Rainbow Mirage.

Was given this one 2/3 weeks ago and was told to watch for it when it turned out at Carlisle by a guy that supposedly knows a local trainer. Well its entered today and thats as much as i know about it.

Seems to be a bit of money for it this morning. Any other info?

Paddy Power is refunding losing bets if the current favourite (Major Phil) wins. Currently 8/1 from 14/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 23, 2010, 03:12:31 PM
Stuffed by the sound of it. ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Geoff Tipps on June 23, 2010, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 23, 2010, 08:55:35 AM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/classic-gamble-proves-a-winner-8364200000-in-oldschool-betting-coup-2230809.html (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/classic-gamble-proves-a-winner-8364200000-in-oldschool-betting-coup-2230809.html)

Classic is right !

Apparently 1 firm were alerted when one of the guys placing the bet had never been to bookies before and handed his instrctions to the betting shop employee.
Perhaps by the time they realised it was on most of the bets had been placed.
Wouldn't have liked to be this moron if he scuppered the whole sting!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 23, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 23, 2010, 03:12:31 PM
Stuffed by the sound of it. ::)

12th out of 16, drifted back out to the original morning price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on June 23, 2010, 10:39:08 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on June 23, 2010, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 23, 2010, 08:55:35 AM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/classic-gamble-proves-a-winner-8364200000-in-oldschool-betting-coup-2230809.html (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/classic-gamble-proves-a-winner-8364200000-in-oldschool-betting-coup-2230809.html)

Classic is right !

Apparently 1 firm were alerted when one of the guys placing the bet had never been to bookies before and handed his instrctions to the betting shop employee.
Perhaps by the time they realised it was on most of the bets had been placed.
Wouldn't have liked to be this moron if he scuppered the whole sting!
Yeah they got a load of asians (not chinise) to place the bets but most had never been to a bookies before ( seeing that gambling is aggainst their religon!!) and some of them fucked it up and gave the teller the instructions they had been given. They got most of the money on but i dont know how much they got paid on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 23, 2010, 10:56:52 PM
Wrong.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 23, 2010, 11:10:46 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 23, 2010, 08:55:35 AM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/classic-gamble-proves-a-winner-8364200000-in-oldschool-betting-coup-2230809.html (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/classic-gamble-proves-a-winner-8364200000-in-oldschool-betting-coup-2230809.html)

Classic is right !

I think it is coming on the news now on RTE2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 23, 2010, 11:24:18 PM
QuoteYeah they got a load of asians

This bit is wrong.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on June 23, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 23, 2010, 11:24:18 PM
QuoteYeah they got a load of asians

This bit is wrong.

What's wong with it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Wee Shea on June 23, 2010, 11:46:21 PM
Quote from: Mac hinery on June 23, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 23, 2010, 11:24:18 PM
QuoteYeah they got a load of asians

This bit is wrong.

What's wong with it?

Asians.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on June 24, 2010, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 23, 2010, 10:56:52 PM
Wrong.
?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on June 24, 2010, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 23, 2010, 11:24:18 PM
QuoteYeah they got a load of asians

This bit is wrong.
They were from India and Pakistan, is that not in Asia?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 25, 2010, 11:21:37 AM
Been told newmarket 6.00 Ragsah and Doncaster 2.20 tanfeer expected to win,very short for me but might be worth a little double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 25, 2010, 12:59:37 PM
Shocking turnout for the Derby on Sunday. On paper, it's the worst renewal I can remember.

Sad to see such a great race reduced to being a glorified Group 3.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 25, 2010, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 25, 2010, 11:21:37 AM
Been told newmarket 6.00 Ragsah and Doncaster 2.20 tanfeer expected to win,very short for me but might be worth a little double

Actually had word for Hannons horse in that 600 Newmarket race.About 7-2. Il take that ahead of a first time out Godolphin horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: highorlow on June 25, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
QuoteActually had word for Hannons horse in that 600 Newmarket race.About 7-2. Il take that ahead of a first time out Godolphin horse.

Cheers boojangles - got on it at a massive 11/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 25, 2010, 06:34:44 PM
Good stuff boojangles.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 25, 2010, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 25, 2010, 06:34:44 PM
Good stuff boojangles.

Hope I made ya change your mind Baron??
Apologies that I didnt get it up earlier. Was delighted with the drift. ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 25, 2010, 10:13:17 PM
Already had the double on,but did the one thing i usually avoid doing and stuck a tenner on yours even though i already had one in the race,covered what i would've lost!Good stuff.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on June 26, 2010, 02:48:12 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 23, 2010, 11:24:18 PM
QuoteYeah they got a load of asians

This bit is wrong.
So why is this wrong?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 27, 2010, 04:38:47 PM
That fashion one on the RTÉ coverage should be put out to grass.

Who the feck wants to know what Fiona or Mary paid for their hat in the Brown Thomas spring/summer collection when watching the racing? Sort it out Ted!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 27, 2010, 11:30:40 PM
What a rubbish Derby today - they might as well have run it on the gallops at Ballydoyle. The race really has lost a lot of it's prestige since Budweiser pulled their sponsorship. It used to be a brilliant race when you'd get the Chantilly & Epsom winners taking each other on but that those days are gone it seems. Great memories on RTÉ's coverage of St Jovite, Generous, Montjeu and Sinndar today but the race just isn't attracting that calibre of horse anymore.

Haven't got into the flat season at all this year. Roll on Listowel and the start of the NH proper!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 27, 2010, 11:43:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 27, 2010, 11:30:40 PM
What a rubbish Derby today - they might as well have run it on the gallops at Ballydoyle. The race really has lost a lot of it's prestige since Budweiser pulled their sponsorship. It used to be a brilliant race when you'd get the Chantilly & Epsom winners taking each other on but that those days are gone it seems. Great memories on RTÉ's coverage of St Jovite, Generous, Montjeu and Sinndar today but the race just isn't attracting that calibre of horse anymore.

Haven't got into the flat season at all this year. Roll on Listowel and the start of the NH proper!

Why has it diminshed in stature DH? Is the Prize money comparatively less now comaped to Epsom than it used to be?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2010, 12:18:49 AM
It's hard to know TAM. I don't think Ballydoyle's dominance has helped the race and the Arabs aren't really putting as much money into their Irish operations as they once were. It's amazing really given the quality of trainers that have horses for the Maktoums in Ireland - Bolger, Prendergast, DK Weld etc. Compare their records when they get the right stock to some of the chancers they have horses with across the water. The Godolphin/Darley operation has become a laughing stock. Bolger has bought up half the land in the sunny South-East on the back of the Sheikh throwing millions at him for mediocre animals!

The Aga Khan has traditionally been a great supporter of the Curragh but he doesn't have the same number of quality horses in training with John Oxx anymore - most of his good ones now seem to be kept for the French.

For all their success over the past decade I'm not sure the Ballydoyle/Coolmore monopoly is entirely healthy for flat racing in Ireland. Last year was so refreshing because Oxx had a horse that swatted away everything APOB threw at him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 01, 2010, 03:31:30 PM
mascarene in the 8-40 newbury
gordon elliott is having some time of it over in perth
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on July 01, 2010, 07:36:40 PM
Was told inwood will not lose the 8.05 in lep.

Bridge is that a tip or a hunch
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on July 01, 2010, 08:22:05 PM
Hello!!!!! sorry about the late notice lads.

Had a good bit ridin on that....

have it doubled with mascerene, so come on!!


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 01, 2010, 10:55:01 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on July 01, 2010, 07:36:40 PM
Was told inwood will not lose the 8.05 in lep.

Bridge is that a tip or a hunch

Got  a text for that horse at 8 today wen in the bookies myself-was in 2 minds about backing it with the gamble on tsar paul but ended u sticking 20 on at 5/1,nothing wrong with it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 01, 2010, 10:55:18 PM
tip l
let me down for a treble but had a double and singles and a few of elliots this past 2 days so not 2 bad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 01, 2010, 11:03:32 PM
Had elliots first winner today and then looked at long wait but like a fool ddnt follow it and backed the gamble and long wait wins by a mile at 9's,ah well still good day at the office
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on July 02, 2010, 09:49:47 AM
What do you lads think of "Littlemisssunshine" in the 3:10 at Warwick today? (This is not a tip) just fancy it myself but would appreciate some of your expert advice
Title: 2-35
Post by: drici on July 07, 2010, 02:37:13 PM
Watched the 2-35 at Newmarket there.
Anybody got the result?


Three runs and three wins now all over 6 furlongs at 9/4x, 15/2 and today's 5/4x.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on July 07, 2010, 03:05:16 PM
From what I am hearing Trotting Weasel will take all the beating in the 7.00 at Naas tonight. Currently 6/1 with Paddy Power.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 07, 2010, 10:26:28 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on July 07, 2010, 03:05:16 PM
From what I am hearing Trotting Weasel will take all the beating in the 7.00 at Naas tonight. Currently 6/1 with Paddy Power.

Stuffed!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 08, 2010, 11:30:50 AM
Any big priced fancies today men?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on July 08, 2010, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: beer baron on July 08, 2010, 11:30:50 AM
Any big priced fancies today men?

Not asking for much Baron ha. A winner of any sort would do me TBH. I haven't been putting enough on these tips I get.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 08, 2010, 12:30:01 PM
Looking for a few extra quid for the Cork trip  :D I've got a 40/1 shot on for 1st goalscorer saturday so be nice if that came in!Bit of a gamble going on Marnanes in the 6.00 paraphernelia,there's one i might chance!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on July 08, 2010, 08:05:18 PM
Striking Force - 8.30 in leopardstown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 09, 2010, 02:21:38 PM
I like the look of Showcasing in the 3.10 at Newmarket today, nice e/w price of 20/1 28s on the Fair, 11/2 to place...

oh well, you just can't beat the deadly duo  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on July 12, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
heard good word for secret hero 3.30 ayr. Lot of early money for it as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on July 12, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 12, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
heard good word for secret hero 3.30 ayr. Lot of early money for it as well.

never got a mention mate.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on July 12, 2010, 03:34:04 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 12, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 12, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
heard good word for secret hero 3.30 ayr. Lot of early money for it as well.

never got a mention mate.

So much for inside info
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on July 12, 2010, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 12, 2010, 03:34:04 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 12, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 12, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
heard good word for secret hero 3.30 ayr. Lot of early money for it as well.

never got a mention mate.

So much for inside info

sure always worth a fiver.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 14, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
Cheltenham Gold Cup trophy stolen

The horseracing trophy the Cheltenham Gold Cup has been stolen from an address in Wormington, Gloucestershire Police said today.

This year's Gold Cup was won by Irish horse Imperial Commander.

The horse, which is trained by Nigel Twiston-Davies and ridden by Irish jockey Paddy Brennan, finished ahead of favourites Kauto Star and Denman.

Mr Twiston-Davies, who specialises in National Hunt racing, is based at a stables at Naunton, Gloucestershire.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0714/breaking33.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 13aside on July 14, 2010, 03:33:57 PM
After Dawn Run had won the gold cup alarm was spread when the cup went missing only to turn up a day or so later stashed away in a cupboard-think the owner or staff might have been at the sherry!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on July 14, 2010, 04:28:43 PM
Apparently Sludden was seen in the vicinity!! Must have a thirst for it at this stage
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on July 14, 2010, 04:31:54 PM
Any tips these days lads, after the world cup need some way to get a bet up!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 14, 2010, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: randomtask on July 14, 2010, 04:31:54 PM
Any tips these days lads, after the world cup need some way to get a bet up!

Was told head waiter killarney 8.00 is worth a bet-but its just a tip going about the bookies!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 15, 2010, 12:36:50 PM
Got a place,not so bad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DownFanatic on July 15, 2010, 12:47:29 PM
2pm Cartmel - Sunset Resort - Good each way bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 15, 2010, 03:39:34 PM
Laganbank in the 5.35 is a decent e/w shout
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 15, 2010, 05:58:18 PM
Ah shite just seen that comment sammy,good shout!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 15, 2010, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: beer baron on July 15, 2010, 05:58:18 PM
Ah shite just seen that comment sammy,good shout!

Cheers beer, surprised that it won so cosily.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 15, 2010, 11:14:41 PM
Thanks Sammy. I had a few bob on the nose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2010, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: Homer on July 14, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
Cheltenham Gold Cup trophy stolen

The horseracing trophy the Cheltenham Gold Cup has been stolen from an address in Wormington, Gloucestershire Police said today.

This year's Gold Cup was won by Irish horse Imperial Commander.

The horse, which is trained by Nigel Twiston-Davies and ridden by Irish jockey Paddy Brennan, finished ahead of favourites Kauto Star and Denman.

Mr Twiston-Davies, who specialises in National Hunt racing, is based at a stables at Naunton, Gloucestershire.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0714/breaking33.html

Maybe Tied Cottage has finally got what was rightfully his after 30 years  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o99zkN87TjU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o99zkN87TjU)

Damn that feckin Mars bar!

Rosanara e/w for the Oaks at the Curragh on Sunday. Don't think this filly will be out of the three.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on July 16, 2010, 01:46:45 AM
So Donnelly, you are the man with knowledge, its a bit before my time!! If he stands up does he win??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAxfhaccjOM
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 16, 2010, 02:00:10 AM
Before my time as well LE - I also wasn't around the last time Louth won Leinster sadly!  :'(

To my eyes he had plenty left in the tank there - certainly didn't look like the usual tired falls you see at the last. I think he was just meeting it on the wrong stride. Tommy looks like he cops it about four or five strides before the fence and tries to get him back on his hocks by easing up. Jonjo's horse is still finding though.

Hard one to call: 1.24 Tied Cottage in-running at the last on Betfair if it was ran nowadays!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Homer on July 16, 2010, 11:39:15 AM
Considering Tied Cottage went on to win the Irish National later that year, I'd say he had plenty left and would have just got up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 16, 2010, 11:59:44 AM
Supposedly willie haggas fancies 2 of his today-electra star 2.00 and right grand 6.55
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 18, 2010, 09:36:18 AM
Glor na mara 2.35 curragh,fill your boots-and take a price,could go odds on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 18, 2010, 01:20:06 PM
Thanks a million Beer Barron!!

I haven't backed a winner in 3 months and the rent is due on Wednesday. I stuck my last £120 on it at 11/8.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 18, 2010, 03:04:46 PM
Apologies lacale.I had biggest bet of my life on it so i'm not happy myself  :( apparently the sheikh was over to but it after it 'won' hell be in no rush to buy it now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lady GAA GAA on July 18, 2010, 03:13:09 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 18, 2010, 01:20:06 PM
Thanks a million Beer Barron!!

I haven't backed a winner in 3 months and the rent is due on Wednesday. I stuck my last £120 on it at 11/8.

jaysus you're a quare tit gurning about that. Long may your bad run continue.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: muppet on July 23, 2010, 04:47:07 PM
Quote from: 13aside on July 14, 2010, 03:33:57 PM
After Dawn Run had won the gold cup alarm was spread when the cup went missing only to turn up a day or so later stashed away in a cupboard-think the owner or staff might have been at the sherry!!

I heard this story from the horse's mouth ( ::)) who was closely related to the owner of Dawn Run.

Apparently while plastered he saw the Cup on a table in a room full of people that he didn't know (he could hardly see at that stage of celebrations). So he decided to put the Cup away for safe keeping and went to bed. Next day it was reported missing and this brought Gardai and media en masse to investigate. Of course our man had no recollection of the night before so it remained 'missing'.

A couple of days later he had a flashback and remembered putting it in a cupboard and when he checked of course there it was.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on July 23, 2010, 11:15:28 PM
Nice wee reversal tonight at wexford lads it was nearly singing in the street time :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on July 23, 2010, 11:35:30 PM
please enlighten
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on July 24, 2010, 12:11:46 AM
Donnelly me auld flower is Workforce worth backing at even money 2mrw?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 24, 2010, 12:21:28 AM
He's not for me Booj. Strictly on the book he looks good and evs is big enough but Stoutey's form over the past week has been very indifferent. The Epsom Derby was a funny race this year (pacemaker coming home second) and you'd have to question the standard of the 3yos. That said the older brigade look equally poor - Harbinger has improved but you wouldn't have put him within two stone of Sea The Stars last season. Surely he can't have improved that much? I'd have taken a chance on the French filly had the 8 lined up but I see two have withdrawn so that leaves only two places. I'd expect Workforce to be heavily backed so if you fancy the evs take it now.

I'm probably being overly cautious because I've not really been punting on the flat much this year. Might have one for the Galway Hurdle at a big price but I'm going to be keeping my powder dry for the NH proper in the Autumn.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on July 24, 2010, 12:37:14 AM
A few boyo's round the town talking up the chances of nicanor at Galway (not for me ) so it has a chance lol just out of loyalty i am sticking with truckers delight e/w at 20/1

Spirit i had a few bob on B Geraghty tonight at wexford in the 8.35 on board old hall (5/2) came to win the race only to be eclipsed on the line by a 25/1 shot. Called the computer everything and Geraghty got a fair bit of abuse aswell lol only to hear the glowing news that the result had be reversed by the stewards. God bless them  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on July 24, 2010, 12:43:58 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 24, 2010, 12:21:28 AM
He's not for me Booj. Strictly on the book he looks good and evs is big enough but Stoutey's form over the past week has been very indifferent. The Epsom Derby was a funny race this year (pacemaker coming home second) and you'd have to question the standard of the 3yos. That said the older brigade look equally poor - Harbinger has improved but you wouldn't have put him within two stone of Sea The Stars last season. Surely he can't have improved that much? I'd have taken a chance on the French filly had the 8 lined up but I see two have withdrawn so that leaves only two places. I'd expect Workforce to be heavily backed so if you fancy the evs take it now.

I'm probably being overly cautious because I've not really been punting on the flat much this year. Might have one for the Galway Hurdle at a big price but I'm going to be keeping my powder dry for the NH proper in the Autumn.

Cheers Donnelly. I'm in 2 minds but the more I look at it the value may be in Cape Blanco. If Murtagh was on him he would be probably 7-2 or 4-1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 25, 2010, 10:12:10 AM
Any of you in the know know if there's a final declaration stage for the Galway plate tomorrow?I've ben told to back the moon and sixpence before tomorrow evening because odds will slash.......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 25, 2010, 12:27:08 PM
Final decs on Tuesday around 11 o'clock
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 25, 2010, 03:33:35 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 24, 2010, 12:21:28 AM
He's not for me Booj. Strictly on the book he looks good and evs is big enough but Stoutey's form over the past week has been very indifferent. The Epsom Derby was a funny race this year (pacemaker coming home second) and you'd have to question the standard of the 3yos. That said the older brigade look equally poor - Harbinger has improved but you wouldn't have put him within two stone of Sea The Stars last season. Surely he can't have improved that much? I'd have taken a chance on the French filly had the 8 lined up but I see two have withdrawn so that leaves only two places. I'd expect Workforce to be heavily backed so if you fancy the evs take it now.

Only watched this race now after being in Croke Park yesterday.

Is Harbinger that good?
Workforce - below par yesterday or just the winner of a poor Derby?
That race produced more questions than answers.

It's been a thoroughly unsatisfactory flat season for me and this compounds it. A line through the normally reliable Youmzain suggests that Harbinger is something of a freak. 7/4 for the Arc though? I'm not so sure. I find it hard to believe a horse that gets beat six lengths by a moderate filly in High Heeled less than a year ago is suddenly the second coming of Pegasus. I don't know about Workforce either. Visually his Derby was oustanding but I thought at the time it might have been a very poor (almost Shergaresque) renewal. He probably was below par yesterday but I'm not sure he completely bombed either - Cape Blanco did confirm the Dante form after all. Surely they all can't have run below form.

I think Fame And Glory now represents a knocking e/w bet for the Arc at 5/1. He'll have a prep at the Curragh for the Champion Stakes at Leopardstown and then Aidan will prime him for Paris.

I wonder if St Nicholas Abbey will be back? He's among the Leger entries so he obviously hasn't fallen completely off the face of the earth.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 27, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
have a few quid e/w on ask jack in the 7-00 galway 14-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on July 27, 2010, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 27, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
have a few quid e/w on ask jack in the 7-00 galway 14-1

I was there last year when he won by the closest of margins on the last day, seems to like the place, tasty looking price, worth a fiver each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on July 27, 2010, 07:05:58 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 27, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
have a few quid e/w on ask jack in the 7-00 galway 14-1

good man - threw a coupla quid e/w on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on July 27, 2010, 07:17:03 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 27, 2010, 07:05:58 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 27, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
have a few quid e/w on ask jack in the 7-00 galway 14-1

good man - threw a coupla quid e/w on it

Excellent stuck a fiver at 12's, happy days
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on July 28, 2010, 12:56:31 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 27, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
have a few quid e/w on ask jack in the 7-00 galway 14-1

Good man ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 28, 2010, 11:32:27 AM
Any fancies today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 28, 2010, 01:31:09 PM
welds in the 4-45 + 5-25 + 6-00 10ew treble pays 577 odd
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2010, 03:31:52 PM
Cracking ride from tricky Dickie at Goodwood. (Ted hates it though! "pure bullshit"  :D)

I think the Ripper would have won with Johnny up though. He's a bit of a rogue and Moore didn't know him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on July 28, 2010, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 28, 2010, 01:31:09 PM
welds in the 4-45 + 5-25 + 6-00 10ew treble pays 577 odd

First up at 11/8..well done :D

second was third at 3/1 while the third Rock critic won at 7/2 :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 28, 2010, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 28, 2010, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 28, 2010, 01:31:09 PM
welds in the 4-45 + 5-25 + 6-00 10ew treble pays 577 odd

First up at 11/8..well done :D

second was third at 3/1 while the third Rock critic won at 7/2 :)

thats very good shooting, unlucky with the AP winner at 22/1!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2010, 08:15:43 PM
Getting stuck into Age Of Aquarius for the Goodwood Cup tomorrow. I'm struggling to see how he's odds against for this. Himself and Rite Of Passage pulled a mile clear of the rest of the field in the Ascot Gold Cup and Kite Wood has to give him 3lbs tomorrow. His form with Harbinger at Chester reads very well now. I can see Johnny sending him on before the straight and galloping these into the ground.

I'll be hoping that Alpine Glade wins the Galway Hurdle tomorrow. She's trained by the great Kildare footballer Willie McCreery so hopefully she'll kick off a good weekend for Kildare. She beat Sweeps Hill very easily at Killarney and he would've been one of our best novice hurdlers last season. Gets in off 10st tomorrow and has David Casey in the plate. Few bob e/w at 20/1 with the 5 places will hopefully cover some of the weekend's expenses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 29, 2010, 12:27:49 PM
weld 1st and 3rd and mullins in the bumper
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2010, 01:55:19 PM
Why is Matt Dawson presenting on Channel 4 racing?

The guy is f**king clueless
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2010, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2010, 08:15:43 PM
Getting stuck into Age Of Aquarius for the Goodwood Cup tomorrow.

Desperate sight. Hope he doesn't have to be destroyed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on July 29, 2010, 03:42:54 PM
What happened him - went in to odds on before the race.  Didnt get to see the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
Broke down very badly turning into the straight.

Looked to have them all hard at it in behind too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2010, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 29, 2010, 12:27:49 PM
weld 1st and 3rd and mullins in the bumper

Full sister to Forpadydeplasterer who also won a Galway bumper if I remember correctly...... interesting
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on July 31, 2010, 03:23:25 PM
Got word for enact in the 3.40 goodwood
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 31, 2010, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: Family guy on July 31, 2010, 03:23:25 PM
Got word for enact in the 3.40 goodwood

not bad 24 out of 28...  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on August 02, 2010, 11:28:52 AM
You know the old saying sure if your not first your last
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 02, 2010, 12:41:04 PM
Anyone got a winner for today?Oh ay anyone see goldikova yesterday?What a machine she is!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 05, 2010, 12:21:55 PM
Got word for stephens green this evening at leopardstown.Also been told soorah will make it a hat trick in 3.50 and the only thing that can beat darej at 2.20 is the ground,if the ground is worse than good at post time stay away he needs quick ground!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on August 05, 2010, 12:41:43 PM
Could you narrow it down to one Baron?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 05, 2010, 12:50:39 PM
The lad that gave me stephens green is a big hitter and ones i get  from him near always win.The other lad knows haggas and thats what haggas thinks are the chances for both so.... i've gonne pretty big on stephens green personally,and have it in a double with soorah!Gonna stay away from the other!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on August 05, 2010, 04:41:24 PM
Darej won 1/2, Soorah 2nd at 6/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on August 05, 2010, 07:47:52 PM
Swerved that Stephens Green thank f**k
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 05, 2010, 08:39:05 PM
You were  wise brother!Thats 2 big burnings ive got off bolgers horses in last 2 months or so   >:( ,back to the fivers each way im thinking!sorry if anyone lost money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on August 05, 2010, 09:14:26 PM
former bolger horse chabal out tomoro..not been good enough at the top level but surely good enough to win a condition stakes tomoro night at haydock
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on August 05, 2010, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 05, 2010, 08:39:05 PM
You were  wise brother!Thats 2 big burnings ive got off bolgers horses in last 2 months or so   >:( ,back to the fivers each way im thinking!sorry if anyone lost money.

Come & goes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 05, 2010, 10:48:27 PM
Profound Beauty for Melbourne after tonight?

I think she has a better chance of winning it than Rite Of Passage. She'll probably be looked upon more leniently by the handicapper and you need a bit of flat speed to win over there as Media Puzzle and Vintage Crop showed. I don't think a horse that sees out 2m5 at the Cheltenham festival has those kind of gears.

I suspect DK will aim Rite Of Passage at one of the big mid-winter 2 mile hurdles after the Irish Leger to see if he's good enough for the Champion Hurdle. He's also got Casual Conquest though who has been gelded and will be schooled over timber in the next few weeks. Not sure if Moyglare still have him or if Smurfitt or Lambe have bought him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 06, 2010, 08:02:54 PM
 chabal  2nd lucky enough i missed the race and saved myself a few quid
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 08, 2010, 12:10:51 PM
Sorry didn't post earlier. Got word for Smokey Joe Joe in the bumper at Downpatrick, the money is coming for him. Good source. I put £20 on the nose at 4-1. This could be a good start for the Cheltenham 2011 fund!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on August 08, 2010, 12:53:56 PM
few winners for ya all 2day

2.10 redcar Najoum 10/11 will win but sorry about the short price

4.10 redcar Miami Gator 11/8 won last few days out..will complete hatrick 2day

2.50 leicester Blue Noodles

4.45 curragh Pencil Hill

enjoy ur winnings all
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 08, 2010, 04:28:43 PM
High Talk - each-way in the next at Downpatrick.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 09, 2010, 11:02:28 PM
This flat season just goes from bad to worse with Harbinger's retirement.

The low points:

- St Nicholas Abbey flops and hasn't been seen since. Will we ever see him again?
- Special Duty wins the English 1000 Guineas in the stewards room. Then goes out in her next race and wins the French equivalent in the stewards room.
- Workforce looks like a potential superstar romping home at Epsom. Bombs in the King George next time out running like a hairy goat.
- Harbinger looks like the second coming of Pegasus winning the King George by a country mile. Is then retired within a month.
- Age Of Aquarius runs a great race for such a young horse in the Ascot Gold Cup and looks like a possible successor to Yeats. Breaks down next time out and is retired.
- Starspangledbanner emerges as a sprinting machine but it looks like he'll be carted back to Coolmore in Australia once the leaves turn.
- No potential superstar among the crop of 2yos as of yet. Zoffany looked to me to be well exposed before the Heinz yesterday.

The high points:

- Canford Cliffs, Rite Of Passage? I'm struggling to find anymore.

The National Hunt proper can't come soon enough. Roll on the October meeting at Punchestown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 10, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
I'd add Richard hughes to the plus points,the lanky divil's been having a great season!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on August 12, 2010, 03:38:20 PM
beethoven tonight at leopardstown is a class above the rest on show
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 12, 2010, 07:18:05 PM
Rafta in the 8.15 at Stratford looks like she could notch up her first win over hurdles - 7/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 12, 2010, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on August 12, 2010, 03:38:20 PM
beethoven tonight at leopardstown is a class above the rest on show

Good shout! Didn't put anything on him, he started at 2/1, there was a bit of value about for him in the end.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on August 12, 2010, 08:42:52 PM
Looked at Beethoven earlier on and it was 11/8. expecting it to go in further i left it alone and we all know the result. Good shout though Jock
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on August 13, 2010, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on August 12, 2010, 08:42:52 PM
Looked at Beethoven earlier on and it was 11/8. expecting it to go in further i left it alone and we all know the result. Good shout though Jock

I put a ten spot on it...good call saan.

Winsam i expected it to go in too so i done it early and took 11/8 but got paid out at 2/1 (Paddypower)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on August 13, 2010, 12:00:58 PM
Would be you sort of luck alright I'lldecide ya turk lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 13, 2010, 11:12:25 PM
Any of you lads that really know you're racing think golden sword has a chance tomorrow?Just seen it entered and at a big price,o'briens not training him anymore but De kock's one of the top trainers in south africa from what i gather so should have him in top shape? ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on August 14, 2010, 09:55:24 AM
Few winners for u all 2day:

Newbury

2.00 Zaidan currently 7/4...personally think it will be shorter closer to the time

2.30 Kite Wood...been good early money for this Frankie dettori riden horse...sure to go close in the hands of the wee man

5.10 Simple Jim (doncaster)

Emjoy ur winnings!!!!  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 15, 2010, 02:14:55 PM
The great Rupert Walsh returns at Roscommon tomorrow. Should make his only mount a winning ride - Hail Caesar (ex-Ballydoyle pacemaker) for Fr Ted.

Speaking of Ballydoyle, it's probably worth taking a chance on the Ripper in the Judmonte on Tuesday on the Knavesmire. I've always thought a mile was too sharp for him and ten furlongs will be right up his street. If he comes back to his Eclipse form of last year when he was the only horse that could go with Sea The Stars, he'll bate this lot cosily.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
Ah biy Johnny! Must have been some carnage in-running.

Very tempted to try top up the winnings on Steinbeck at Killarney tonight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 17, 2010, 04:09:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
Ah biy Johnny! Must have been some carnage in-running.

Very tempted to try top up the winnings on Steinbeck at Killarney tonight.

The Ripper was a high of 64/1 in running!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 17, 2010, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
Ah biy Johnny! Must have been some carnage in-running.

Very tempted to try top up the winnings on Steinbeck at Killarney tonight.

Thata boy Dh i came on here to say exactly that,if you're thinking the same it's good enough for me!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2010, 06:35:16 PM
Nicely done BB.

Silly price about a group horse running at one of the gaff tracks even if he did flop over at Saratoga.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 17, 2010, 07:01:32 PM
Good times!Off to training now and then over to the fleadh to spend some of my winnings  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 18, 2010, 03:05:43 PM
Small each way bet here on elyaadi,fancy it to get placed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 18, 2010, 04:25:56 PM
Feck it was told elliot fancied dirar to get placed and all but couldn't back it  >:( Fancies chicago grey to win tonight but they think price is bit short!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 18, 2010, 06:21:10 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 17, 2010, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
Ah biy Johnny! Must have been some carnage in-running.

Very tempted to try top up the winnings on Steinbeck at Killarney tonight.

Thata boy Dh i came on here to say exactly that,if you're thinking the same it's good enough for me!

and what about the horse that finished 2nd at 20s  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 18, 2010, 06:23:55 PM
try a few quid e/w on Betheholygobbs  7 - 50 killarney
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on August 18, 2010, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 18, 2010, 04:25:56 PM
Feck it was told elliot fancied dirar to get placed and all but couldn't back it  >:( Fancies chicago grey to win tonight but they think price is bit short!

out to 2/1 on bet 365
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 18, 2010, 07:59:00 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on August 18, 2010, 06:23:55 PM
try a few quid e/w on Betheholygobbs  7 - 50 killarney
useless
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 18, 2010, 11:42:33 PM
Oxx's filly in the 1m4 listed race tomorrow is fancied to go close. His record with his raiders in England is second to none and Spencer is an able deputy for Fran the man. Oxx has had a poor enough year so far but the signs in the last few weeks are that things are beginning to come right at Currabeg. DK's filly looks the danger but Zarebiya holds her on Cork form.

The Yorkshire Oaks looks a right cracker but I wouldn't be that confident about taking a short price about Sariska given the doubts over her fitness. I suspect Bell fancies a tilt at the Arc with her so I can't see her being fully wound up for this.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 19, 2010, 04:09:39 PM
Dozy mare fell asleep in the gate!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 20, 2010, 09:19:48 AM
Starspangledbanner today anyone?  :-\ In 2 minds!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lolafrola on August 20, 2010, 09:24:31 AM
Quote from: beer baron on August 20, 2010, 09:19:48 AM
Starspangledbanner today anyone?  :-\ In 2 minds!

Good horse that
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on August 20, 2010, 10:00:16 AM
Be interested to hear Donnelly Hollows views on the Nunthorpe...but i reckon Borderlesscott is far too big a price at min!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 20, 2010, 10:41:29 AM
In same boat oakleaf,Dh knows his stuff.Trainer of stone of Folca raving about it so mite chance small e/w on it if i don't do starspangled banner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on August 20, 2010, 01:29:24 PM
Tulachsarain is out today

6.05 Kilbeggan

Never backed it last time out and the fecker won at 12/1!!!

Do with this what you wish...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on August 20, 2010, 02:48:36 PM
Were you given word for it tonight Candyman?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on August 20, 2010, 02:53:30 PM
Backed him at 15/2 on PP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 20, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on August 20, 2010, 10:00:16 AM
Be interested to hear Donnelly Hollows views on the Nunthorpe...but i reckon Borderlesscott is far too big a price at min!

Big fan of Starspangledbanner having backed him at Ascot and Newmarket. I'd be a bit worried about the drop back to five furlongs though. I reckon it might be a bit sharp for him having won over a mile in Australia.

No bet race for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on August 20, 2010, 03:42:41 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on August 20, 2010, 02:48:36 PM
Were you given word for it tonight Candyman?
Lets just say i know the connections, don't go mad on it but worth an e/w punt!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 20, 2010, 03:50:13 PM
Just called the father and had him put a few shillings of me inheritance on it.

That's that horse fucked for sure now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on August 20, 2010, 03:52:07 PM
Well and truly Puck....
It was half way there when i backed it  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 20, 2010, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 20, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on August 20, 2010, 10:00:16 AM
Be interested to hear Donnelly Hollows views on the Nunthorpe...but i reckon Borderlesscott is far too big a price at min!

Big fan of Starspangledbanner having backed him at Ascot and Newmarket. I'd be a bit worried about the drop back to five furlongs though. I reckon it might be a bit sharp for him having won over a mile in Australia.

No bet race for me.
was worried about the trip also still backed it tho   ;D
hav a few quid on anderson mcauly and inspector clouseau tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 20, 2010, 05:17:00 PM
Nice to see an Irish sprinter give the Sasanach a bloody nose for once. (Starspandgledbanner is only an Aussie Sheila with an American name!)

Great ride from Wayne Lordan. One of the most underrated jocks around IMO. I think he might end up at Ballydoyle one day given that he already is no1 at Wachman's and Tommy Stack's.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 20, 2010, 07:00:54 PM
I think I see that horse coming up to the finish line now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on August 20, 2010, 10:46:43 PM
Apparently he didn't like the going... A lot of fecking good to us!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 20, 2010, 10:48:53 PM
I'm not answering calls from Ireland currently! :'(
:D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on August 21, 2010, 03:36:40 PM
glor na mara to get  its first win today at the curragh, looks very progressive
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 21, 2010, 04:38:27 PM
The money for Jessie's horse told the story.

Wonder how long it'll take Sheikh Mo to get the chequebook out for that one? He'll be straight off to the boys in blue in Dubai for the winter methinks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on August 21, 2010, 09:08:31 PM
Jessie seems to be doing better on flat these days. Does she have any grade 1 NH horse ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 21, 2010, 10:31:34 PM
Not since Macs Joy no.

Have a feeling Summit Meeting might turn out to be decent enough over fences this year. Roberto Goldback is another who could possibly develop into a Paddy Power/Ryanair contender.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on August 22, 2010, 12:24:43 AM
coole river maybe too, beat quel esprit last christmas in a grade 2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on August 24, 2010, 05:13:06 PM
7.50 Leicester Colonel Mak  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on August 24, 2010, 10:05:08 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on August 24, 2010, 05:13:06 PM
7.50 Leicester Colonel Mak  ;)

Cheers Oak leaf. Needed that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ceiphas50 on August 25, 2010, 11:19:05 AM
Jamsie 5.05 bellewstown,was told it should break its duck today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on August 25, 2010, 05:23:06 PM
Nice shout ceiphas50!! Won at 11/4!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 25, 2010, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: ceiphas50 on August 25, 2010, 11:19:05 AM
Jamsie 5.05 bellewstown,was told it should break its duck today

Thata boy ceiphas,2 up in my lucky 15 so far  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on August 26, 2010, 06:39:13 PM
flying cross has been backed into4/5 at the 7.50 tonight at tipp, maybe not any value now but should win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 26, 2010, 09:15:45 PM
Anyone else watching the last at bellewstown?The 2nd place sabrando lodge looked to me like a horse/jockey that def wasn't out to win?I'm watching for him next time he runs anyway!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on August 27, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
fosters cross usually a chaser is running his first race on the flat at wexford with j murtagh on board, might be value at 6/1. think soldier bay should go close at down royal today too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 27, 2010, 02:51:34 PM
Got a call for swendab 4.45 at bath-he sounds very confident but ill only be going small because never got tip from him before!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on August 29, 2010, 12:53:39 PM
3.30 Galway Impersonator.....

Also 4.20 yarmouth.....Caramelita
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on August 29, 2010, 01:44:48 PM
glor na mara will be given another chance today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 29, 2010, 02:53:55 PM
That tulachsaran out again now at 3pm Galway, looks wide open contest though  8)  ???

Carberry made handy work of that. Mid Mon Lady has a notable jockey booking in the 3.15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ceiphas50 on September 01, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
Palio Square 2.50 Lingfield (3/1 PP) should break its duck today & Belle Boleyn 4.00 Brighton  @ 7s (ew to be safe )
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ceiphas50 on September 01, 2010, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: ceiphas50 on September 01, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
Palio Square 2.50 Lingfield (3/1 PP) should break its duck today & Belle Boleyn 4.00 Brighton  @ 7s (ew to be safe )
No good :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on September 01, 2010, 05:22:38 PM
NOT SO BRIGHT 6:50 @KEMPTON 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lolafrola on September 01, 2010, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on September 01, 2010, 05:22:38 PM
NOT SO BRIGHT 6:50 @KEMPTON

Says PP's best customer ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on September 01, 2010, 06:13:00 PM
Does it have a very good chance?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 01, 2010, 08:11:27 PM
Some gamble landed on am i blue at hereford today 25/1 into 5/1  :o got few quid on at 11/2,won doing handstands!I think someone will be in trouble over it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on September 02, 2010, 01:15:34 PM
Got word for Udeman in the 7.10 at clonmel, was at 8/1 now in to 4/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on September 02, 2010, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 01, 2010, 08:11:27 PM
Some gamble landed on am i blue at hereford today 25/1 into 5/1  :o got few quid on at 11/2,won doing handstands!I think someone will be in trouble over it!

Going for the quick follow up at Newton Abbot on Monday id say
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 02, 2010, 02:39:04 PM
Going with the Ballydoyle Group 1 double on Saturday - The Ripper for the Champion Stakes at Leopardstown and Starspangledbanner for the Sprint Cup at Haydock.

I thought the Ripper won the Judmonte with a lot more in hand than it appeared and would expect him to beat Twice Over cosily. The Banner ran well in the Nunthorpe considering it was too sharp for him. He'll appreciate the step back up to 6f.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on September 02, 2010, 02:39:32 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on September 01, 2010, 05:22:38 PM
NOT SO BRIGHT 6:50 @KEMPTON

sorry lads when i got this horse i was given a number and a time ie 6:50. The number was correct but the time wasn't and guess what the other one won. FFS sorry again lads. Think it was supposed to be Nina In the 7:20 and she pissed up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 02, 2010, 04:44:35 PM
4 for clonmel

Echoes Of Histo  in the 1st odds on tho
Phantasy Rock    6-10
Captain Sully       6-40
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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 02, 2010, 04:46:20 PM
2nd fav  ^^^
bit late with the post but 4got to post was watching the 1st race won easy  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 02, 2010, 07:16:22 PM
Eddie again the feckin Maggot @ 12's!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on September 03, 2010, 10:06:57 AM
Hope to make the evenig meeting in Kilbeggan later today.

This place is a bit of a punters graveyard but any forthcoming tips will be given due consideration  :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on September 03, 2010, 06:38:53 PM
might have a look at cape blanco tomoro ew, if you take the french derby  away his form reads very well..will be getting weight from twice over and rip as well. 13/2 betfair.
RVW is getting better and better tho..maybe an arc horse if he wins this
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 04, 2010, 02:40:52 AM
The Ripper won't go anywhere near Paris. Churchill Downs had been his target since he flopped over in Santa Anita last year. Aidan will have him primed for America this year and I don't think he'll run again before the Classic after the Champion Stakes today.

Fame And Glory is the Arc horse and winner IMO. He's going to the recognised Arc trial - the Prix Foy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 04, 2010, 11:13:41 AM
From what i can see Paul carberry's going over to stratford for 1 ride today-scotsbrook cloud 3.25-might be worth small e/w bet!?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on September 04, 2010, 11:50:31 AM
It's not Paul Carberry. -Peter Carberry, an apprentice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 04, 2010, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: gaa.boy on September 04, 2010, 11:50:31 AM
It's not Paul Carberry. -Peter Carberry, an apprentice.

Cheers gaa.boy i was wondering what was going on!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 04, 2010, 01:44:44 PM
One for Ziggy running at 5:15 at Haydock "Zigato". not a tip but i fancy it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 04, 2010, 03:51:44 PM
Man that Starspangledbanner is a pricey horse to follow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 04, 2010, 10:39:30 PM
Lost a fortune today, f**king hate horses the bastids. Made the big mistake after loosing a good few bets of trying to chase it and lumped on favourites, done that starbangledspanner and a few others and after loosing all that i done a double at the end with a dog and Rip van winkle. Of course the dog  won and was waiting on Rip to get my money back and that hoor was destroyed by another O'Brien horse (O god never seen that happening before). Anyway i need to stick to the football as that's what i'm good at (believe it or not) and stay the feck away from the GG's :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 06, 2010, 12:51:24 PM
Is Roscommon going ahead this evening? There's been heavy rain all day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 06, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 05, 2010, 10:48:27 PM
I suspect DK will aim Rite Of Passage at one of the big mid-winter 2 mile hurdles after the Irish Leger to see if he's good enough for the Champion Hurdle. He's also got Casual Conquest though who has been gelded and will be schooled over timber in the next few weeks. Not sure if Moyglare still have him or if Smurfitt or Lambe have bought him.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/09/05/RACING_Conquest.html (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/09/05/RACING_Conquest.html)

Galway Hurdle 2011?  :D

This flat dross is getting me down at the moment. The Champion Stakes took the biscuit. How did Murtagh and Queally think they would reel in an Irish Derby winner up the straight at Leopardstown giving him a five length head start?

Ah well, Listowel is almost upon us so it won't be long before the proper stuff starts up again. Here's a few old favourites to get in the mood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17P9ipuJwSY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17P9ipuJwSY) - Best race ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W1P8Kdf8U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W1P8Kdf8U&feature=related) - Best Stephens' Day hangover ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUaQaY_Lqw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUaQaY_Lqw&feature=related) - Even the cameraman couldn't keep up with him!

Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 06, 2010, 04:35:30 PM
Good man DH. Whets the appetite for real racing coming soon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 06, 2010, 04:42:04 PM
Is the beach racing this week?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 06, 2010, 04:42:44 PM
I couldn't find any footage of Danoli unfortunately. The Cheltenham memories on RUK only go back as far as 1995. Anyone know if his Sun Alliance Hurdle win in '94 is available online?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 06, 2010, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 06, 2010, 04:42:04 PM
Is the beach racing this week?

Yep - tomorrow. Got to it last year for the first time since I lived up there. Good fun.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 06, 2010, 05:01:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2010, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 06, 2010, 04:42:04 PM
Is the beach racing this week?

Yep - tomorrow. Got to it last year for the first time since I lived up there. Good fun.

I may start rootin around for a  lift to it then so :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on September 07, 2010, 02:08:05 PM
rewilding will start a lot shorter than 6/4 for the leger on saturday, very likley to be odds on. if youre going to back him do it sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2010, 04:33:12 PM
-The horse population is down 13%
-The number of entries is down 22%
-The number of runners is down 5%

HRI's solution = cut the number of meetings by 3%  ::)

Yesterday we were told that 40% of Irish adults struggle with basic maths (quelle suprise)! We'll continue to haemorrhage brood-mares to France as long as these clowns keep their heads buried in the sand. The number of meetings should have been cut by at least 10% and prize money for Group 1s should have been cut by at least 20%.

Our Classics (particularly our Derby) have failed to attract quality runners in about five years. They've become a Ballydoyle/Coolmore benefit so why do we continue to pander to racing's superpowers when the ordinary man with a handful of horses is struggling big time? We have a crazy amount of sprint handicaps run on the flat in Ireland that nobody is remotely interested in. These races regularly have pots of €50,000+ though - the mind boggles
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 08, 2010, 12:28:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 06, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 05, 2010, 10:48:27 PM
I suspect DK will aim Rite Of Passage at one of the big mid-winter 2 mile hurdles after the Irish Leger to see if he's good enough for the Champion Hurdle. He's also got Casual Conquest though who has been gelded and will be schooled over timber in the next few weeks. Not sure if Moyglare still have him or if Smurfitt or Lambe have bought him.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/09/05/RACING_Conquest.html (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/09/05/RACING_Conquest.html)

Galway Hurdle 2011?  :D

This flat dross is getting me down at the moment. The Champion Stakes took the biscuit. How did Murtagh and Queally think they would reel in an Irish Derby winner up the straight at Leopardstown giving him a five length head start?

Ah well, Listowel is almost upon us so it won't be long before the proper stuff starts up again. Here's a few old favourites to get in the mood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17P9ipuJwSY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17P9ipuJwSY) - Best race ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W1P8Kdf8U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W1P8Kdf8U&feature=related) - Best Stephens' Day hangover ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUaQaY_Lqw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUaQaY_Lqw&feature=related) - Even the cameraman couldn't keep up with him!

Enjoy!

just a few more to watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVB6_HvBv8U
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 08, 2010, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 08, 2010, 12:28:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 06, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 05, 2010, 10:48:27 PM
I suspect DK will aim Rite Of Passage at one of the big mid-winter 2 mile hurdles after the Irish Leger to see if he's good enough for the Champion Hurdle. He's also got Casual Conquest though who has been gelded and will be schooled over timber in the next few weeks. Not sure if Moyglare still have him or if Smurfitt or Lambe have bought him.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/09/05/RACING_Conquest.html (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/09/05/RACING_Conquest.html)

Galway Hurdle 2011?  :D

This flat dross is getting me down at the moment. The Champion Stakes took the biscuit. How did Murtagh and Queally think they would reel in an Irish Derby winner up the straight at Leopardstown giving him a five length head start?

Ah well, Listowel is almost upon us so it won't be long before the proper stuff starts up again. Here's a few old favourites to get in the mood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17P9ipuJwSY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17P9ipuJwSY) - Best race ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W1P8Kdf8U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W1P8Kdf8U&feature=related) - Best Stephens' Day hangover ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUaQaY_Lqw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUaQaY_Lqw&feature=related) - Even the cameraman couldn't keep up with him!

Enjoy!

just a few more to watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVB6_HvBv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3hE2PxoTU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3hE2PxoTU)

What a tune!   ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 08, 2010, 04:01:46 PM
al zir 4-20 doncaster
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 08, 2010, 04:23:50 PM
3rd pulled very hard
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 08, 2010, 11:30:33 PM
Doncaster 3.45 tomorrow Fran berry travelling over for 1 ride roses for the lady,mmmmm???????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 08, 2010, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 08, 2010, 11:30:33 PM
Doncaster 3.45 tomorrow Fran berry travelling over for 1 ride roses for the lady,mmmmm???????

Make sure you back her e/w if you're backing her. Tough task giving weight away to Meeznah who was only just beat in the Oaks. Oxx isn't having the greatest season and I think RFTL needs a bit of cut to show her best.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 08, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
Yep will def be doing e/w dh.hopefully buckets rain tonight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 09, 2010, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 08, 2010, 11:30:33 PM
Doncaster 3.45 tomorrow Fran berry travelling over for 1 ride roses for the lady,mmmmm???????

Stuffed!  >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 09, 2010, 06:40:12 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 09, 2010, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 08, 2010, 11:30:33 PM
Doncaster 3.45 tomorrow Fran berry travelling over for 1 ride roses for the lady,mmmmm???????

Stuffed!  >:( >:(

Yup :( Disaster
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 10, 2010, 12:40:07 PM
Rewilding is a silly price for the English Leger tomorrow. I would have severe doubts about his stamina over 14 furlongs. Snow Fairy also has stamina doubts but I'd happily take 8/1 about a dual Oaks winner rather than a skinny price about Rewilding.

The National Stakes at the Curragh looks a very decent renewal. There's been a good bit of talk locally about Mick Halford's horse for Sheikh Mo. Big ask for him on only his second run but he's worth keeping an eye on with a view to next year. It's hard to look beyond Pathfork after his win in the Futurity and I'd take him to account for Zoffany and Janood.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2010, 03:41:33 PM
Got the forecast in the National Stakes anyway.  ;D

Great to see Jessie Harrington beating the flat boys. I'd say Pathfork will head to the Breeders Cup Juvenille now to see how he handles the dirt track at Churchill Downs. If he was to run well there, the Kentucky Derby might be on the agenda.

I think that Casamento is a serious tool to do that on only his second start. He was doing all his best work at the finish and his sire (Shamardal) won over 1m2 when he beat Hurricane Run at Chantilly. If only we could get a guarantee now that the Sheikh will leave him in Kildare rather than shipping him over to Dubai where he'll go the same way as Kingsfort and Chabal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on September 11, 2010, 06:50:25 PM
Well called DH. A big win for Jessie today. Give her the ammo and she can train them.

Have you looked at Kerry National yet ...always think of this as start of NH season.

Doesnt look a bad renewal if the all show up. Will be interesting to see if Mossbank can come back. FOTP will be better going LH but it looks hard enough to call. Alpha Ridge needs rain. Simple strategy might be to cack Ponmeaoth and whatever Ruby rides ...(heard M&S a NR).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2010, 07:06:50 PM
Yep looking forward to Listowel alright. Always a good weeks racing down at the island.

Themoonandsixpence doesn't go. Mossbank will definitely need the run and it'll be too tough a task trying to win this off a mark of 151. Alpha Ridge on 135 jumps off the page at me, especially if the top weight stays in, but as you say he'll need an ease. I think his form with Pandorama is top class and I'd write off his run at Naas behind Oscar Looby. He always goes well early in the season before his form tails off.

Charles Byrnes' Alpha Beat is another I'd have for the shortlist (unless the rain comes for Alpha Ridge). The handicapper has been harsh enough on him IMO but I'd be very wary of writing off one of Charles Byrnes in a handicap, particularly one at his local track.

There's a few very eye-catching pedigrees entered up in the bumpers during the week. Will keep you updated if they're declared.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on September 12, 2010, 02:29:38 PM
Just recieved a "tip" for one called Tilly Ann in 4.05 at Listowel. Apparently connections have the money down.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 14, 2010, 03:14:39 PM
No Alpha Ridge tomorrow.

I think Alpha Beat looks skinny enough in the market. Dancing Tornado and Oscar Looby look the value to me at the moment. Very hard to predict these early season markets especially when Pricewise will have his say tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 14, 2010, 04:07:36 PM
not a tip, but a really decent looking e/w bet in the 4.40 at Yarmouth Magical Speedfit at 16/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on September 14, 2010, 05:34:58 PM
Hope some of ye laid on that!  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on September 14, 2010, 05:35:18 PM
Edged home at 14/1, good call Sammy. Absolute downpour before and during the race.

Had £10 e/w but decided to keep £10 for an accumulator later on and changed to £5 e/w.

Still, gets me a few bob for the holiday fund.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 14, 2010, 11:20:40 PM
Great maiden hurdle for this time of year at Listowel tomorrow. Far Away So Close was a very creditable ninth, beaten only thirteen lengths by Menorah in the Supreme Novices Hurdle. In any ordinary maiden at this time of year he'd be odds on but he faces The Real Article tomorrow who could well live up to his name this season. For me he was one of the top five bumper horses we've seen in Ireland in 2010 and will be a warm order for his debut over timber tomorrow. I'll be having my biggest bet on the NH since the Punchestown Festival.

Watching brief on the market for the bumper. Tommy Cooper's horse is a half-brother to Total Enjoyment who landed a massive touch when she won the Champion Bumper at Cheltenham for the same trainer in 2004. I'd write off his run at Galway where he was way too keen. The extra two furlongs here should suit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 15, 2010, 11:29:32 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 14, 2010, 04:07:36 PM
not a tip, but a really decent looking e/w bet in the 4.40 at Yarmouth Magical Speedfit at 16/1

short head  ;D  ;D  ;) top work by the jockey to get that one home in front  :-* hopefully a few others spotted it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 15, 2010, 02:12:20 PM
Going for Mc Coy on Dancing Tornado today. AP has been very lucky for me this year, hopefully it continues today. Pricewise tipped him up also.

5/4 on The Real Article looks too short for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lolafrola on September 15, 2010, 05:11:18 PM
The Real Article wins at 6/4.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 15, 2010, 05:18:37 PM
Should have been 1/4 Booj.

He's won that a lot cosier than the bare form will suggest. He'll be a serious player in the big novice hurdles this winter. The prospect of him taking on First Lieutenant is mouth-watering.

As for the National, I thought Alpha Beat was harshly enough treated by the handicapper! Charles Byrnes is some operator - this horse has gone up 45lbs since the 13 June and he's still ahead of the handicapper. Still a novice so the 4 miler at Cheltenham is the target. He's rated a few stone lower over hurdles so there'll be a few spins over timber for him now I suspect.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 15, 2010, 05:21:20 PM
Quote from: lolafrola on September 15, 2010, 05:11:18 PM
The Real Article wins at 6/4.

Returned @ 2/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on September 16, 2010, 09:44:51 AM
A canny ride by Geraghty in Kerry National.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on September 16, 2010, 05:26:10 PM

Listowel 5.30. Coolvanney Gaffer

Ayr 5.50 Pertemps Network

2 £10 singles and £10 double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 16, 2010, 06:31:43 PM
Poor old Davy Russell has had a day of it - fails a breath test despite being sober for 15 years and then ends up in the General in Tralee after a horrific fall.

Some ride by Barry Connell in the last!  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 17, 2010, 10:49:11 AM
High Vintage - 3.25pm LISTOWEL good each way shot  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 17, 2010, 12:51:35 PM
Hoping Stephens green wins me back some of the money i lost on him last time!Running listowel 4.00,take a price if backing,id say it wont be 3/1 come the off!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 17, 2010, 12:56:27 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 17, 2010, 12:51:35 PM
Hoping Stephens green wins me back some of the money i lost on him last time!Running listowel 4.00,take a price if backing,id say it wont be 3/1 come the off!

Just came on to let ya know it was running. Remember you had tipped it up before. Money on it this morning and Gary O Brien has tipped it too. as low as 9-4 with some.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 17, 2010, 06:03:03 PM
Pig of a yoke-thats me finished with him!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on September 18, 2010, 02:13:08 PM
pittoni who ran in this years triumph hurdle is running in the last tonight at listowel in an amateur race, drifting in the market at the minute. not sure what to think given the quality of the race, might just be a run out but might still have too much class for the rest
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 18, 2010, 08:40:22 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on September 18, 2010, 02:13:08 PM
pittoni who ran in this years triumph hurdle is running in the last tonight at listowel in an amateur race, drifting in the market at the minute. not sure what to think given the quality of the race, might just be a run out but might still have too much class for the rest

http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=47836 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=47836)

Good old Charles up to his Laetitia tricks again!  :D

Ruby was on fire down at the island today. The ride on Laughing Boy in the maiden hurdle was pure class. Whets the appetite for the winter ahead.  I think we've seen a few decent horses this week - The Real Article, Loosen My Load (fierce impressive) & Ballyhaunis all look like potential graded performers to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 18, 2010, 08:40:22 PM

Good old Charles up to his Laetitia tricks again!  :D


We have to be careful what we say in a public forum, but it was funny when it all went wrong at Fairyhouse and a certain horse won a big race in an "unexpected" manner - or so it's said. I'd find it hard to believe something would be going on with a horse like that in a race like that, but I gather the scenes in the winners enclosure between trainer and jockey were not exactly celebratory.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2010, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 18, 2010, 08:40:22 PM

Good old Charles up to his Laetitia tricks again!  :D


We have to be careful what we say in a public forum, but it was funny when it all went wrong at Fairyhouse and a certain horse won a big race in an "unexpected" manner - or so it's said. I'd find it hard to believe something would be going on with a horse like that in a race like that, but I gather the scenes in the winners enclosure between trainer and jockey were not exactly celebratory.

Is it not Punchestown on new year's eve you're thinking of there Hardy?

One of the funniest things I've ever seen on a racecourse. I doubt there was a word uttered on the drive back home that night!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 19, 2010, 02:37:44 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2010, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 18, 2010, 08:40:22 PM

Good old Charles up to his Laetitia tricks again!  :D


We have to be careful what we say in a public forum, but it was funny when it all went wrong at Fairyhouse and a certain horse won a big race in an "unexpected" manner - or so it's said. I'd find it hard to believe something would be going on with a horse like that in a race like that, but I gather the scenes in the winners enclosure between trainer and jockey were not exactly celebratory.

Is it not Punchestown on new year's eve you're thinking of there Hardy?

One of the funniest things I've ever seen on a racecourse. I doubt there was a word uttered on the drive back home that night!

That the race where the horse made up about 50 lengths in about 2 furlongs?Had some laugh at that  had backed it and had put my docket in the bin!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 02:50:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2010, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 18, 2010, 08:40:22 PM

Good old Charles up to his Laetitia tricks again!  :D


We have to be careful what we say in a public forum, but it was funny when it all went wrong at Fairyhouse and a certain horse won a big race in an "unexpected" manner - or so it's said. I'd find it hard to believe something would be going on with a horse like that in a race like that, but I gather the scenes in the winners enclosure between trainer and jockey were not exactly celebratory.

Is it not Punchestown on new year's eve you're thinking of there Hardy?

One of the funniest things I've ever seen on a racecourse. I doubt there was a word uttered on the drive back home that night!

That's another one! I was talking about the Ladbroke Hurdle a couple of years ago when Solwhit, last in the fog entering the straight came through to win. It seems to have been a very unexpected win, given how the race was ridden and some unworthy commentators were amused at the outcome and suggested there was a slight misjudgement on the part of Tom Doyle. Of course I must say I don't believe there was anything untoward at all! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on September 20, 2010, 05:28:26 PM
Byrnes is on their watch list though ...some interesting debate here about the inconsistency

http://www.theracingforum.co.uk/horse-racing-forum/horse-racing/charles-byrnes-fined-t83754-15.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 22, 2010, 09:50:04 AM
Elliot's over in Perth again bound to have a winner or 2 as usual,whether there'll be any kind of prices available is doubtful though!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 23, 2010, 01:58:28 PM
Canford Cliffs out of the QEII on Saturday  ::)

Can't understand why Hannon is so against running him in the Breeders Cup Mile. Fair enough he has Paco Boy but they're in different ownerships and I can see Coolmore putting pressure on them to run now that they've secured his stallion rights.

Looking forward to seeing this Frankel on Saturday. He'd want to be winning a race like the Royal Lodge hard held if he's the superstar the English hacks are building him up to be.

Hopefully Casamento will run in the Beresford on Sunday. I'd be very wary of whatever Ballydoyle take him on with. Duggan is convinced we haven't seen Aidan's best 2yo win yet - Longlivetheking or Seville?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 23, 2010, 03:21:36 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 22, 2010, 09:50:04 AM
Elliot's over in Perth again bound to have a winner or 2 as usual,whether there'll be any kind of prices available is doubtful though!

Vinnes Friend worth a few quid in the 4-20
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 23, 2010, 03:35:40 PM
Amazing recovery from Walsh at Fontwell on Pepe Simo. The horse was trying to commit suicide and Walsh still managed to stay on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 23, 2010, 03:36:32 PM
Fallon at Ponterfract!!!   :o :o

£10 treble would have lifted about 6k!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 23, 2010, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 22, 2010, 09:50:04 AM
Elliot's over in Perth again bound to have a winner or 2 as usual,whether there'll be any kind of prices available is doubtful though!

2 winners and a place out of 4 runners yesterday, but a slight loss (.22 of a point, 5.5%) to a level stake for win bets at SP and a tiny profit (.14 of a point, 1.7%) for each way bets. Straight place betting on Betfair would have produced a profit of .68 of a point (17%) after commission at Betfair SP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2010, 04:23:14 PM
Steady Eddie O'connell did some damage at Downpatrick yesterday, backed his non-runner early on and he had the cheek to get a free ride in the same race and walk home in front.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 24, 2010, 01:00:05 PM
Great weekend's racing in store.

It's a pity Canford Cliffs is out of the QEII because it had the potential to be the flat race of the year. It'll now be a case of Ballydoyle trying to set a lightening pace to get the French horse beat. The world and it's mother has been waiting for Rip Van Winkle to come right this year, and I for one, have ran out of patience.

The two 2yo races look weak enough contests with one horse standing out in each. Frankel has a piss easy task in the Royal Lodge and Casamento should win the Beresford at the Curragh on Sunday as he likes.

Long Live The King, who was in the Beresford until this morning should break his maiden at Gowran Park tomorrow. The following maiden could potentially be very informative with Ballydoyle, DK Weld, Mick Halford & Kevin Prendergast all running well bred newcomers.

The horse I'm most looking forward to seeing this weekend is First Lieutenant who runs in the first at Navan tomorrow. This horse won a p2p at Kilfeacle last January before absolutely hosing up in a bumper at Gowran. Michael O'Leary paid over a quarter of a million for him at the Derby Sale in 2008 and put him into training with Mouse Morris. It's a hot little contest with Drumfire and Pointilliste, both of whom were well above average on the flat, and a bumper winner of Tom Mullins' in opposition. If First Lieutenant is as good as I think he might be and he's anyway reved up he should beat them though. Araucaria and Sweeps Hill two other names to look out for on the Navan card from the John Kiely yard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on September 24, 2010, 01:57:18 PM
Proper National Hunt fare at Navan tomorrow alright. Venalmar and Nicanor on the card too. What they might have been .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 24, 2010, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 24, 2010, 01:57:18 PM
Proper National Hunt fare at Navan tomorrow alright. Venalmar and Nicanor on the card too. What they might have been .

That's my one concern for First Lieutenant tomorrow. Mouse seems to have half his yard running at Navan. They're either all flying fit at home or all in dire need of a run. I suspect the latter because Mouse's last winner was First Lieutenant back in March and he's had 61 runners beat since then. The market should tell us all we need to know.

Venalmar could have been anything. Of the four horses who made up the Irish 1-2-3-4 in that Cheltenham novice hurdle, only the fourth home (Forpadydeplasterer) has had a proper career since then and he ended up winning an Arkle and coming second in a Champion Chase. How good could Fiveforthree, Venalmar and Trafford Lad have been? Real pity for Irish NH racing. It's crying out for a superstar since Moscow Flyer retired (Kicking King and War Of Attrition injured before their peak too) and we can now safely assume that Dunguib won't be it either.

Nicanor did me a massive favour when beating Denman. I understand that his injury was so severe he's lucky to be still with us and it's a minor miracle he's still racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
a e/w treble for today

Pointilliste   @ 10-1
Realt Dubh @ 7-2
Kid Curry    @ 9-2

good luck all   
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 25, 2010, 12:21:23 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
a e/w treble for today

Pointilliste   @ 10-1
Realt Dubh @ 7-2
Kid Curry    @ 9-2

good luck all

and Judicious in the 4-05 chester
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2010, 02:37:44 PM
First Lieutenant drifted like a barge but looked to be coming with a winning move at the second last when he lost his hind legs. Definitely one to follow during the winter.

Frankel looked absolutely awesome just there. 2/1 for the Guineas though? You're having a laugh. The Ballydoyle horse that ran there couldn't win at Listowel last week!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2010, 02:38:29 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
a e/w treble for today

Pointilliste   @ 10-1
Realt Dubh @ 7-2
Kid Curry    @ 9-2

good luck all

Hi Noel!

How's Pandorama?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2010, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 24, 2010, 01:00:05 PM
The two 2yo races look weak enough contests with one horse standing out in each. Frankel has a piss easy task in the Royal Lodge and Casamento should win the Beresford at the Curragh on Sunday as he likes.

How in the name of God did he go off at 4/6?!  ;D

Best 2yo we have in Ireland. Hopefully he stays here and isn't shipped off to Dubai. He's the value against Frankel in the Guineas market. I'd love to see him take on Cecil's horse at Doncaster to see how good he really is.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 26, 2010, 05:38:59 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2010, 02:38:29 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
a e/w treble for today

Pointilliste   @ 10-1
Realt Dubh @ 7-2
Kid Curry    @ 9-2

good luck all

back in working away and in good form

Hi Noel!

How's Pandorama?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 30, 2010, 03:03:43 PM
Not really the standard of card I'd normally give a second glance to but Rubi Light looks slightly overpriced to me in the 5:15 at Sligo. Rinroe looked capable of developing into a very good horse as a novice hurdler but he's been off the track for the guts of 3 years and he isn't with Meade anymore. Robbie Hennessy's string are in decent form and Geraghty has been booked for Rubi Light.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 30, 2010, 05:39:12 PM
Returned @ 5/4  :o

I hope someone else managed to snaffle the 5/2 available earlier.

Some good action across the water tomorrow with two Group 1s at Newmarket. It looks a decent enough renewal of the Middle Park and I like the chances of Dream Ahead who won the Morny at Deauville last time out. I think the soft ground will do Strong Suit's chances no good. He looked to get bogged down when Zoffany beat him at the Curragh. Elsewhere in England there's a good NH card at Hexham. Cape Tribulation who has some very decent form over timber makes his chasing debut. The ex-Ballydoyle trained Moon Indigo has his first run over hurdles for Howard Johnson too.

Back home, keep an eye out for Golden Ticket in the market for the bumper at Gowran. He was given a very sympathetic ride in a good bumper at Listowel a fortnight ago when he finished a close third. Hired Hand and Askanna would be the others I'd be keeping an eye out for on that Gowran card.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on September 30, 2010, 07:54:26 PM
Nice one DH, backed it 15/8 went to pub before race, watched the doom and gloom of the news, came home and saw the beer was paid for.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 30, 2010, 08:47:11 PM
Good call DH. Cheers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2010, 06:06:36 PM
Awful field altogether for the Arc tomorrow - it looks as hard as the Grand National to figure out. To think it was so easy the last two years to pick the winner with one horse standing head and shoulders above the rest of the field.

The supporting card is pure quality but I'm not sure there's great betting propositions there. Stacelita should win the Opera but she mightn't be too much of a price.

Decent mixed card at Tipp. Donnas Palm is the class act in the old McManus Hurdle but the trip at this track in particular could be sharp enough for him. Rock Noir, who had great form as a younster in France, looks a classy recruit to chasing at Huntingdon for Jonjo and AP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 03, 2010, 08:52:12 AM
8   Me Fein - Denis Oregan      B Curley      6 10-12     ::)   

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 03, 2010, 11:10:45 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 03, 2010, 08:52:12 AM
8   Me Fein - Denis Oregan      B Curley      6 10-12     ::)

:D

Very good!

Having a cut at Dick Turpin e/w in the Foret. Oneeightofamile for the in-form John Kiely yard in the novice hurdle at Tipp is another e/w bet for me today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 03, 2010, 12:16:11 PM
think Earls Quarter is a good bet today in the bumper  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
I'm taking the odds-on about Hidden Universe in the 2 mile maiden at Navan today. He'd have slaughtered most of this lot in bumpers and I think he should be several points shorter than he is at 8/11.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lolafrola on October 06, 2010, 04:49:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
I'm taking the odds-on about Hidden Universe in the 2 mile maiden at Navan today. He'd have slaughtered most of this lot in bumpers and I think he should be several points shorter than he is at 8/11.

hope you didn't put too much on that mule sir
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2010, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: lolafrola on October 06, 2010, 04:49:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
I'm taking the odds-on about Hidden Universe in the 2 mile maiden at Navan today. He'd have slaughtered most of this lot in bumpers and I think he should be several points shorter than he is at 8/11.

hope you didn't put too much on that mule sir

The next Rite Of Passage he ain't. Pat never happy with him.

Plenty of opportunities to get it back at the weekend. Decent entries for the two jumps cards and St Nicholas Abbey returning at the Curragh.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2010, 12:11:18 PM
3.20 Tramore...Model County Lass expected to do the business....11/8 at present wit PP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 07, 2010, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2010, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: lolafrola on October 06, 2010, 04:49:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
I'm taking the odds-on about Hidden Universe in the 2 mile maiden at Navan today. He'd have slaughtered most of this lot in bumpers and I think he should be several points shorter than he is at 8/11.

hope you didn't put too much on that mule sir


The next Rite Of Passage he ain't. Pat never happy with him.

Plenty of opportunities to get it back at the weekend. Decent entries for the two jumps cards and St Nicholas Abbey returning at the Curragh.

backed it myself
Pandorama is entered next thursday in punchestown also entered in same race is sizing europe
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 10, 2010, 02:48:06 PM
Fancy cornas to win the day????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 10, 2010, 06:23:03 PM
Did it nicely.

Backed him heavily last year in the same race when he tipped up down the back straight.  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 10, 2010, 07:01:12 PM
Yeah won well,as did cappagh who run a massive race and looks a great horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 12, 2010, 03:38:16 PM
The NH season steps up a gear tomorrow with the first card of the season at Punchestown.

My horse to follow this year - First Lieutenant, has his second start over hurdles. I was a tad disappointed with him at Navan but looking back on it, it wasn't the worst run. He clearly needed it going on the lack of confidence in the market and he was moving menacingly when he got the second last all wrong and was allowed come home in his own time by Andy Mac. The winner of that race has come out since and ran well in a decent novice at Tipperary. The extra half mile tomorrow will suit and I can see him being punted tomorrow morning and going off a well backed favourite. I'll be on and I hope he lives up to my expectations because he could be a seriously good prospect.

Colm Murphy's mare looks to have a relatively straightforward task but she will probably need the run. She did win the same race last year though.

Muirhead is a classy recruit to chasing in the last. I love punting the good hurdlers first time out over fences because I feel there's often great value in them. Muirhead is a bit of a rogue - hasn't won since the Royal Bond in 2007, but he's stones clear of this lot on hurdle ratings. If he jumps a clear round he should win head in his chest. He's 4/9 on the racingpost tissue but I think he should be much shorter. Not everyone's idea of a bet so might be worth doubling up with Voler La Vedette or even put in a trixie with First Lieutenant.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 12, 2010, 08:29:15 PM
will be backing : FIRST LIEUTENANT  myself and depending on how short muirhead will be il have to wait and see dont think there is anything in the race to beat him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 12, 2010, 11:01:41 PM
good card.  a bit early to be backing c murphy's for me...meades look in good order so muirhead might be my only one 2mrw. not at 1.33 though. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 12, 2010, 11:39:57 PM
Voler La Vedette has won 1st race back the past 2 seasons
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 13, 2010, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on October 12, 2010, 11:39:57 PM
Voler La Vedette has won 1st race back the past 2 seasons

I know. Murphys strike rate at Punchestown in October is 7%. In April it is 16%.

Current odds a bit more than I expected though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2010, 11:26:11 AM
Spineless prices about First Lieutenant  ::)

Surely the boys in the ring will lay it a bit bigger?

VLV looks tempting at the price. Most of the average size NH yards like Murphy's will be only getting going now. He's only had 3 runners in the last fortnight with one of them 2nd beaten a neck in a maiden hurdle at Tramore on 7 October. His last winner was on the flat at Fairyhouse in September. If she's anyway fit she should have a good few lbs to spare over handicappers (albeit decent ones) in Elyaadi and Willie McCreery's mare, but I'll be waiting to see how she fares in the market on course before considering a bet.

Some decent action tomorrow too with Luska Lad, Loosen My Load and Sizing Europe all running. It's a pity that Realt Dubh and Pandorama won't be taking on the De Bromhead pair though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2010, 06:40:14 PM
Happy enough with First Lieutenant. He's still a bit babyish and that ground was probably lively enough for him. I think he'll be a horse for something like the Barry and Sandra Kelly race at Navan where he could meet The Real Article. First Lieutenant is going to make a hell of a chaser next year.

Voler La Vedette did it nicely. I still can't see her beating Quevega though so it wouldn't surprise me if she was tried in one of the 2 mile Grade 1s given that it's likely to be her last year in training.

Muirhead was Muirhead - a typical Meade rogue. I don't think he was ever really in danger of getting beaten and he'll run better in a better race when they go a proper pace. I'd send him to England for his next few runs where he's likely to get a truer run race.

Some very interesting stats from Hugh Taylor on ATR re odds-on favs in beginners' chases this morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 13, 2010, 06:50:27 PM
Your initial instincts were spot on DH.

Couldnt believe the drift on VLV....she seemed to settle better today with the earplugs.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 13, 2010, 08:37:23 PM
Brilliant stuff DH bang on the money today well done
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2010, 11:19:31 PM
Cheers lad but it hardly took a formbook expert to work them ones out.

I'll be playing up on Loosen My Load tomorrow if the price is right. His round of jumping at Listowel was as good as I've seen from a novice in a long time. He made useful handicappers like Schelm and Emmpat look ordinary. I'd be delighted if someone was laying around the 4/7 mark tomorrow.

I'm happy to keep my powder dry with Luska Lad and Sizing Europe. Luska Lad will be very skinny. I fully expect him to win but he's supposed to be going chasing (can't see him being too tuned up for a spin over hurdles) and he was pulled out of the Galway Hurdle because of the quick ground (going today was fairly lively). I think Sizing Europe will stay three miles but I'll take a watching brief on his first attempt. I've always thought a lot of China Rock and he has the benefit of a run and he'll like the quick ground. Sizing Europe to win but it would be no surprise to me if Ruby and China Rock turns him over.

Noel Meade's in the bumper is worth a look in the market. Must be the first horse the Giggy House Stud has in training with him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 13, 2010, 11:50:18 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2010, 06:40:14 PM
Happy enough with First Lieutenant. He's still a bit babyish and that ground was probably lively enough for him. I think he'll be a horse for something like the Barry and Sandra Kelly race at Navan where he could meet The Real Article. First Lieutenant is going to make a hell of a chaser next year.

Voler La Vedette did it nicely. I still can't see her beating Quevega though so it wouldn't surprise me if she was tried in one of the 2 mile Grade 1s given that it's likely to be her last year in training.

Muirhead was Muirhead - a typical Meade rogue. I don't think he was ever really in danger of getting beaten and he'll run better in a better race when they go a proper pace. I'd send him to England for his next few runs where he's likely to get a truer run race.

Some very interesting stats from Hugh Taylor on ATR re odds-on favs in beginners' chases this morning.

Is Quevega not likely to be pointed at the World Hurdle DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2010, 12:04:25 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 13, 2010, 11:50:18 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2010, 06:40:14 PM
Happy enough with First Lieutenant. He's still a bit babyish and that ground was probably lively enough for him. I think he'll be a horse for something like the Barry and Sandra Kelly race at Navan where he could meet The Real Article. First Lieutenant is going to make a hell of a chaser next year.

Voler La Vedette did it nicely. I still can't see her beating Quevega though so it wouldn't surprise me if she was tried in one of the 2 mile Grade 1s given that it's likely to be her last year in training.

Muirhead was Muirhead - a typical Meade rogue. I don't think he was ever really in danger of getting beaten and he'll run better in a better race when they go a proper pace. I'd send him to England for his next few runs where he's likely to get a truer run race.

Some very interesting stats from Hugh Taylor on ATR re odds-on favs in beginners' chases this morning.

Is Quevega not likely to be pointed at the World Hurdle DH?

Hard to know TAM. I'd say Willie would be leaning towards going for the hat-trick and Ruby will no doubt be pushing him that way. If Kauto Star and Denman regress though, and Big Bucks goes chasing, all bets are off. I've a feeling Punchestowns will go back hurdling as Henderson has Mad Max, Long Run and Burton Port for the staying chases.

She'll probably go straight to Cheltenham again without a run. I'd love to see her run in both races! It has been done in the past but it's something that's very rarely attempted these days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
I thought Luska Lad would go off around 1/6 today and not 4/6! I thought Aertel had got the SP wrong when I looked at it first but I've just seen the replay on ATR. He's a likeable horse but he'll be hard to place this season - has to go right-handed.

Only managed to get 4/9 about Loosen My Load in the morning when Brady's horse was pulled out. He jumped superbly again but he didn't win with the authority I'd expected him to. We'll learn a lot more about him when he runs in a proper contest at Cheltenham in November.

Had a feeling China Rock would beat Sizing Europe and the betting told the story. Ruby rode gave China Rock a great tactical ride. Hard to know what to make of Sizing Europe. He probably needed the run so you can't just dismiss him as a non-stayer. I'm not sure he'll amount to anything this year though. I can't see him winning a King George or a Gold Cup and I don't think he's good enough for the likes of Big Zeb over 2 miles (a poor Arkle fell into his lap when Captain Cee Bee bled). If connections are realistic, he'll probably end up in the Ryanair or the Melling Chase.

Meade's and Murphy's were very well backed in the bumper which makes the performance of O'Grady's horse all the more impressive. He looked a very exciting animal and is one for the notebook for sure.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 14, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
Quality info as usual DH. Have been spot on this week. Had a nice touch myself today with a trixie on Inspector Closeau, Kayannas back and China Rock.

Have u had a look at the Cheltenham cards for tomorrow on Saturday? Any fancies?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2010, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 14, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
Quality info as usual DH. Have been spot on this week. Had a nice touch myself today with a trixie on Inspector Closeau, Kayannas back and China Rock.

Have u had a look at the Cheltenham cards for tomorrow on Saturday? Any fancies?

Nice trixie. Think you owe Ruby a pint!

I've had a look at the Cheltenham cards but there's nothing really that catches the eye. Stick with Hobbs and Twiston-Davies and you should do alright. They usually do well at this meeting.

Newmarket on Saturday looks the place to be - shame they're messing around with it and moving the whole show to Ascot next year. Vision D'Etat at 4/1 quarter the odds e/w looks like a cracking bet. Patkai hasn't run since the Ascot Gold Cup last year but on form he's a penalty kick in the Jockey Club Cup. Market will tell a lot. The Dewhurst is potentially the best 2yo race for a long time. I backed Dream Ahead last time out and he won the Middle Park very impressively but the hype about Frankel puts me off backing him again. I was going to back the Godolphin horse e/w thinking there'd be a good turnout but only the six were declared this morning. I'll wait for Casamento next Saturday at Doncaster instead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 15, 2010, 07:05:19 PM
Storms Over around 10/1 worth a couple off quid e/w 9-10 wolverhampton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on October 15, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
barizan nap tomoro at cheltenham, supercede, billie magern and passato might all go close
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 16, 2010, 03:59:32 PM
Vision D'Etat blew his chance on the way to post. Thought he did very well to go so close. Got the e/w money back at 4/1 so broke even.

I thought the Dewhurst was a bit of a let down with neither Dream Ahead or the Godolphin horse running their race. Frankel does look exceptionally good but 5/4 for the Guineas is too short. I'd be very encouraged if I was Mick Halford, Jessie Harrington or Kevin Prendergast. Glor Na Mara was only beaten 5 lengths there and he's be a good bit behind the likes of Casamento, Pathfork and Dunboyne Express.

Patkai a NR in the last.

When did they move the second last fence on the old course at Cheltenham? That was one of the best fences in jump racing. Some sight to see them free wheeling down the hill in an Arkle or a Champion Chase and trying to wing that difficult fence.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 17, 2010, 12:34:10 PM
I think Friday was the first racing day with the new 2nd last at cheltenham. A few of NTD's schooled over it ...

http://blogs.bettor.com/Cheltenham-move-off-fence-for-safety-reasons-a33916

It will still claim its share of fallers ...it did strike me with the old fence that most of the fallers were the ones jumping it tight to the rail where the downhill seems a bit steeper. Lots of brought downs in there too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 17, 2010, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 17, 2010, 12:34:10 PM
Yesterday was the first racing day with the new 2nd last at cheltenham. A few of NTD's schooled over it ...

http://blogs.bettor.com/Cheltenham-move-off-fence-for-safety-reasons-a33916

It will still claim its share of fallers ...it did strike me with the old fence that most of the fallers were the ones jumping it tight to the rail where the downhill seems a bit steeper. Lots of brought downs in there too.

Safety reasons? It's jump racing ffs. You don't see them moving Beecher's Brook or increasing the distance between the Railway Fences at Sandown.

Trixie/Patent for Cork today:

2.55 Takeyourcapoff - Drops in class after finishing a fourth in a Grade 3 novice last time out.
4.30 Mr Cracker - Very impressive chasing debut last Sunday. Should follow up if he reproduces that round of jumping.
5.35 Fire Belt - Easily the weakest bumper he'll have contested. A good second to a very promising horse of JP's (Ballyburke) last February.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 17, 2010, 05:05:35 PM
Two no shows so far - ground must be very quick  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 17, 2010, 11:11:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 17, 2010, 12:47:48 PM
5.35 Fire Belt - Easily the weakest bumper he'll have contested. A good second to a very promising horse of JP's (Ballyburke) last February.

Roger Quinlan what were ya at?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 19, 2010, 03:36:28 PM
Complete carnage in-running at Exeter.

Had a back to lay on Celestial Halo myself. I was lucky to get out in time!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 20, 2010, 01:58:50 PM
Nice wee double for today.....both expected to run well.

3.15 Worcester The Giant Bolster
4.00 Fontwell Fruity O'Rooney



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 20, 2010, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 20, 2010, 01:58:50 PM
Nice wee double for today.....both expected to run well.

3.15 Worcester The Giant Bolster 5/2
4.00 Fontwell Fruity O'Rooney 5/6
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 20, 2010, 05:26:59 PM
Hope some got on....

One for tonight worth a look....8.20 Kempton Elegant Muse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 22, 2010, 02:05:35 PM
Two Quinn runners fancied today:

Pevensey, 4:30 Doncaster
Violoent Velocity, 5:45 Ayr
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on October 22, 2010, 02:56:09 PM
Dundalk 9.25 Broadway Dancer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on October 22, 2010, 06:33:23 PM
think Sennybridge should be a good bet in 8.15 wolverhampton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on October 22, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
Quote from: Joxer on October 22, 2010, 02:56:09 PM
Dundalk 9.25 Broadway Dancer

Ya Chancer joxer, what happened ur earlier tips?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 22, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
I've been banging on about Casamento for a while on here so I might as well put my money where my mouth is for the RP Trophy tomorrow. I can see him drifting tomorrow morning because Mick Halford wouldn't be a familiar name with punters in England. Any bit of 4/1 would be an e/w steal. Dunboyne Express deserves respect after his form was franked last weekend in the Dewhurst. No offence intended to the Meath folk on here but it's the kind of name I'd associate with a bog standard handicap hurdle at Bellewstown rather than a 2yo Group 1! The Ballydoyle horse will have plenty of followers but I think his attitude is questionable - very iffy head carriage last time out. Don't think the English trained horses in the field are up to much.

Captain Chris runs in a novice hurdle at Chepstow tomorrow if the ground suits. There's an awful lot of hype about this horse and he could be one to follow during the winter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 23, 2010, 10:19:38 AM
Going with Albertas Run in Old Roan ( cant  have Poquelin at Aintree or Tartak FTO, Monets could be the danger ). Duke of Lucca at Chepstow and Harry Patch at Doncaster for the treble.

Rock Noir vs Medermit one to watch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on October 23, 2010, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 22, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
I've been banging on about Casamento for a while on here so I might as well put my money where my mouth is for the RP Trophy tomorrow. I can see him drifting tomorrow morning because Mick Halford wouldn't be a familiar name with punters in England. Any bit of 4/1 would be an e/w steal. Dunboyne Express deserves respect after his form was franked last weekend in the Dewhurst. No offence intended to the Meath folk on here but it's the kind of name I'd associate with a bog standard handicap hurdle at Bellewstown rather than a 2yo Group 1! The Ballydoyle horse will have plenty of followers but I think his attitude is questionable - very iffy head carriage last time out. Don't think the English trained horses in the field are up to much.

Captain Chris runs in a novice hurdle at Chepstow tomorrow if the ground suits. There's an awful lot of hype about this horse and he could be one to follow during the winter.

going for native khan in that race at doncaster, plain and simple because the guy who writes value scope in daily mirror tips it.  he has been on fire the past few saturdays 3 or 4  16-1+ winners in last 6 weeks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on October 23, 2010, 02:35:26 PM
The blonde presenter on C4 Racing is a fine fillie!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 23, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
Working Title very attractive e/w price in the 4.10 at Chepstow 16/1

Lenabane 9/4 should have the winning of the 4.20 Wexford and tempted to double with Capt Chris at 3.35 Chepstow 11/8....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 23, 2010, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Joxer on October 23, 2010, 02:35:26 PM
The blonde presenter on C4 Racing is a fine fillie!

Mrs J Spencer?? Each to their own if I have the right lady
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2010, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: Joxer on October 23, 2010, 02:35:26 PM
The blonde presenter on C4 Racing is a fine fillie!

It's better than looking at McCririck for sure Don't know what Jamie Spencer was thinking of doing the dirty. She'd beat Hayley Turner hard held. She's no Rebecca Curtis though!

Quote from: sammymaguire on October 23, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
Lenabane 9/4 should have the winning of the 4.20 Wexford and tempted to double with Capt Chris at 3.35 Chepstow 11/8....

Provided he's fit I'd agree. Fisher Bridge looked a bit ungenuine at Limerick. Market will be interesting.

I'm a bit concerned about Captain Chris' price. I was sure he'd be odds-on. I'll probably still back him, especially if Casamento runs in the first three, but I suspect Hobbs might be leaving him a bit short before going novice chasing this side of Christmas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2010, 03:03:37 PM
Very nicely done. Hopefully the Sheikh will leave him in Ireland and not ship him off to Dubai where Bin Suroor will ruin him.

Delighted for Mick Halford. Very good trainer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 23, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
Emma spencer aint bad at all.Hayley turner kirsty milzcarak and Amy Ryan are proper tasty though!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 24, 2010, 11:40:55 AM
4/6 Cue Card looks a massive price. I'm having a decent chunk of my Casamento money on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 24, 2010, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 24, 2010, 11:40:55 AM
4/6 Cue Card looks a massive price. I'm having a decent chunk of my Casamento money on him.

Cheers DH, think I will stick with you today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 24, 2010, 12:46:40 PM
Casamento looks the real deal, i think she will go the 1.4 well.

Monets Garden is what jump racing is all about, with the exception of Yeats flat racing has no real hearty beasts the public latches onto, backed Monet last year and missed the boat this year but still cheered the ole grey home.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 24, 2010, 01:19:19 PM
a wee double for today

original option 4-00 wexford
dylan ross last race galway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 24, 2010, 01:21:32 PM
Casamento is off to Dubai so we can safely put a line through him for next May/June. Bin Suroor will make a mess of him like he's done with countless promising 2yos down the years. He looks the Epsom Derby winner to me but I'd say he won't even run in it now. We can look forward to him appearing at the likes of Windsor and Salisbury next autumn.

Sheikh Mohammed is a great supporter of Irish racing and has pumped millions into the game over here (pretty certain the Maktoums are still the biggest landowners in Co Kildare). Godolphin is a joke of an operation though. He'd be far better off leaving his string with their original trainers be it Johnston, Meehan, Bolger or in this case Halford. Wintering them in Dubai fecks up their immune system and they don't acclimatise properly when they come back to Europe in the spring - hence why Godolphin's string only really start to hit their stride come the autumn. It's no surprise that the Sheikh's last great horse was New Approach (ran in his wife's silks) who was left with Jim Bolger and never went near Dubai.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 24, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Very impressed with that. Tanked his way round and still won with his head in his chest. Jumped quite well bar one or two but he was clever enough to fiddle when he was meeting them wrong - unlike Dunguib last year.

8/1 for the 2m5 novice hurdle at the festival which looks reasonable enough to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 25, 2010, 01:48:50 PM
donnas palm 4-05 nap
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 25, 2010, 02:38:13 PM
Looks like the Sheikh has another very nice Shamardal 2yo in Dubai Prince. Just bolted up in the Killavullan for Pat Smullen and DK.

I wonder will this colt go to Dubai like Casamento or will he winter in Kildare?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 11:16:36 AM
Pun 5.15 centennial e/w if you can get an e/w price.Expect the favourite to be the only one that will cause it trouble!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lolafrola on October 26, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 11:16:36 AM
Pun 5.15 centennial e/w if you can get an e/w price.Expect the favourite to be the only one that will cause it trouble!

Unless i'm blind but i can't see that horse but i can see this one "Cheltenian" is this the horse you're talking about? 1st time out?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: lolafrola on October 26, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 11:16:36 AM
Pun 5.15 centennial e/w if you can get an e/w price.Expect the favourite to be the only one that will cause it trouble!

Unless i'm blind but i can't see that horse but i can see this one "Cheltenian" is this the horse you're talking about? 1st time out?

Yeah that's the 1 sorry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 26, 2010, 01:12:48 PM
Trappy little card. Zagman appeals e/w in the second maiden hurdle.

The bumper looks a farily hot contest. I'd respect the money that has come for Cheltenian but it's pedigree doesn't jump off the page to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 02:21:25 PM
Fools wildcat worth an e/w bet at punchestown iv been told.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on October 26, 2010, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 02:21:25 PM
Fools wildcat worth an e/w bet at punchestown iv been told.

Good Call!!

Winner at 8-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on October 26, 2010, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 11:16:36 AM
Pun 5.15 centennial e/w if you can get an e/w price.Expect the favourite to be the only one that will cause it trouble!

thought he was going to romp home 2f out.  Ran very green in last bit which cost it.  Apparently was 40-1 and 33s earlier
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 08:13:43 PM
Cheltenian wasn't too fond of the whip  :-[, seemed like he pulled when he got a wee slap!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 26, 2010, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 08:13:43 PM
Cheltenian wasn't too fond of the whip  :-[, seemed like he pulled when he got a wee slap!

Jamie Codd rode Fogarty to sleep. He was too busy showing off with his arse in the air instead of getting the race won. Had he kicked earlier, he'd have won with a bit to spare.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 26, 2010, 01:12:48 PM
Trappy little card. Zagman appeals e/w in the second maiden hurdle.

Ride out to the line Russell ffs! Looks a winner in waiting anyway. Have a feeling that p2p bumper was very good last year. I can't wait for Last Instalment to reappear. He looked like an absolute galloping machine.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 08:47:04 PM
Ah dont say that Dh i feel bad enough as it is,im stilll in nice profit today but would've been huge if he won  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 26, 2010, 10:17:40 PM
Missed the races but saw the betfair commentary afterwards ...Russell outrode andy mac earlier according to reports but gave up a bit handy in this one .

Jamie Codd got Character Building to win...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2010, 12:02:57 AM
Jamie Codd is a legend. I'd have him ahead of any other amateur riding and we've plenty of top class lads at the moment - JT McNamara, Robbie McNamara, Derek O'Connor, Corky Carroll, Mikey O'Connor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on October 27, 2010, 09:16:34 AM
Any fancies today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2010, 10:47:52 AM
Nothing really standing out at the moment.

Both Noble Prince and Pointilliste are too short. Saludos looks an e/w bet to nothing at 5s but I'll probably keep my powder dry for the weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 27, 2010, 01:10:15 PM
Money piling on Alanit (Curleys) 8.40 Kempton,jus got 6's but its only 4's now  think and will surely get shorter
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 27, 2010, 05:52:52 PM
And Codd does it again,this time to my joy  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on October 27, 2010, 06:33:08 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 27, 2010, 01:10:15 PM
Money piling on Alanit (Curleys) 8.40 Kempton,jus got 6's but its only 4's now  think and will surely get shorter

I just got texted from mate who works for this stable to plump for this.  Coming in all the time!  Took a small risk on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2010, 07:13:02 PM
Tell Massini makes his chasing debut in the 4.20 at Stratford tomorrow. Potentially one to follow for the staying novice chases this winter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 27, 2010, 09:03:06 PM
Glue factory for Allanit!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 27, 2010, 10:21:17 PM
Too much money for it, sucked in myself, Curley the gangster strikes again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 28, 2010, 11:24:01 AM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2010/1028/mullinsp.html
Paddy Mullins RIP

Father of Tom, Willie and Tony.

He is best known for saddling the mare Dawn Run, the only horse to have won the Champion Hurdle (1984) and the Gold Cup (1986) at the Cheltenham Festival. First ever winner in 1953
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2010, 12:55:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhai8xzEi0k&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhai8xzEi0k&feature=related)

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2010, 11:38:54 PM
Great card at Naas tomorrow. I'm a massive Captain Cee Bee fan but I probably won't punt him tomorrow. Strictly on the book he should still beat Catch Me and Psycho giving them weight (can't see Paul Flynn's horse running on the likely ground). He'll probably need the run but hopefully he'll come out on top which he should do if he is a genuine Champion Chase contender.

I'll be having a decent e/w bet on White Star Line in the bumper. He was a good second to the very promising First Lieutenant in a maiden hurdle at Punchestown a few weeks ago and Dessie must fancy his chances of landing a staying bumper if he's sending him here instead of picking up a soft maiden hurdle somewhere. I don't know much about the girl that rides him but she did ride the winner of a bumper at Wexford last weekend. It's a decent bumper tomorrow - Conor O'Dwyer's horse has good form, Shark Hanlon's was second in the Land Rover in '09 but has a long absence to overcome and Noel Meade's string are flying. Should be some good value about White Star Line tomorrow morning so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2010, 09:23:31 AM
don't suppose any one had a few quid on this horse

200/1 shock Wetherby winner starts at 1000 on Betfair

Maoi Chinn Tire started at the maximum price on Betfair when winning on Friday afternoon.Racingbase Staff - 30 Oct 2010
Maoi Chinn Tire became the biggest priced winner in twenty years when he romped to success in the Weatherbys Bank Wensleydale Juvenile Hurde at Wetherby, defying odds of 200/1.

The Jennie Candish-trained gelding was sent off at 1000.00 on Betfair and perhaps even more remarkably, started the race at over 600/1 just to finish in the places.

The winner managed to get the better of some talented horses from the Paul Nicholls and Nicky Henderson yards and Candlish explained:  "I didn't expect that!

"He'd done nothing wrong at home and settled in brilliantly, but we obviously didn't know if he'd stay.

"He'd taken everything in his stride, so all credit to his previous connections.

"He went to Yogi Breisner for three days and he told us that he would be grand.

"His home work has been brilliant. We got him out of a claimer and obviously people don't like to lose horses, but that's the risk you run.

"Whether today is his Gold Cup or not, it doesn't matter."

Meanwhile, an equally thrilled winning owner Alan Baxter said: "I managed to back him at 300-1 so he has nearly won back the £7,000 we claimed him for!"




Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 30, 2010, 10:27:55 AM
Aye backed him in a double,and wudnt ya know the even money horse lost  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on October 30, 2010, 10:38:41 AM
Anyone for Down Royal next week?

Will be good to see Kauto Star at the venue after missing out on last year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on October 30, 2010, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Family guy on October 30, 2010, 10:27:55 AM
Aye backed him in a double,and wudnt ya know the even money horse lost  :P


So you doubled up a 200/1 shot with an EVS favourite.

Call me callous but I don't believe you.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 13aside on October 30, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
heard there was some decent money made on mark johnsons' horse at dundalk last night,i think that is three wins for the yard at the louth track in recent weeks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 30, 2010, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: 13aside on October 30, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
heard there was some decent money made on mark johnsons' horse at dundalk last night,i think that is three wins for the yard at the louth track in recent weeks

Backed it myself,got 11/2,went off 9/2 so doubt the bookies lost too much but i'm happy enough.English horses seem to be really well treated in handicaps over here lately!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 30, 2010, 01:35:41 PM
Some excellent racing on the jumps front today, could be a day for watching rather than punting with so many top horses coming out fresh but still, quite fancy The Tother One, Duc du Regniere, Capt Cee Bee, Sweeps Hill, Bluesea Cracker, Rigour Back Bob, Take The Breeze, Get Me Out Of Here... All lot decent win prices so might be a couple of Yankee's or lucky 15s today for interest sake
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2010, 01:50:08 PM
White Star Line being smashed into in the bumper. Managed to get on at only 100/30  :(

I thought the ground at Naas would be heavy after yesterday's torrential rain so it's surprising that the official description is soft. If there was any odds against or evs about CCB it would become very tempting.

Picture Editor in the Zetland at Newmarket is one to watch. Could be next year's Derby horse especially with both Casamento and Dubai Prince off to Godolphin.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2010, 02:50:09 PM
Nice reappearance from the Captain. Jumping was very satisfactory. Still 14s with Ladbrokes for the Champion Chase which surprises me - no way should he be twice the price of Sizing Europe.

Having a cheeky e/w punt on Shinrock Paddy for the Stayers Hurdle. Very taken with him and I can't see any Irish trained horses beating him over 3 miles this side of March. Should be able to lay off to make a nice profit sometime after Christmas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on October 31, 2010, 11:41:11 PM
Any thoughts on the Melbourne cup? Weld has come out & said he doesn't have a hope,is that a signal to go hard on profound beauty?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 01, 2010, 09:36:39 AM
She has a desperate draw out in the carpark. You'd think it wouldn't matter over a 2 mile trip but it does given the way they go like sh1t off a shovel from the stalls in Australia.

It wouldn't surprise me if he pulled her out if the ground was quick. She's too valuable for Moyglare to risk as one of the last Danehill mares.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on November 01, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
The is soft,the Aussies are calling it "dead" pushed rain in Melbourne all weekend,might have a patriotic $20 on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 01, 2010, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on November 01, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
The is soft,the Aussies are calling it "dead" pushed rain in Melbourne all weekend,might have a patriotic $20 on it

Have a small bet surely,stuck tenner each way myself,16/1 is a nice price.Doubt he'll win but if he did and i hadn't it backed i'd be sick!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 01, 2010, 11:29:34 PM
so is the melbourne cup on in 5 hours at 4am or is it in a day and 5 hours. somersby shud win tomoro, 9/4 not the biggest price ever. twist magic cud hsock them all at 14/1 maybe
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on November 01, 2010, 11:33:05 PM
Yeah it's on @ 3pm aussie time so 4am @ home
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Subbie on November 01, 2010, 11:34:39 PM
Sorry on @ 2am @ home clocks changing n all that
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 01, 2010, 11:42:57 PM
What was cumani at, has a horse at 1st reserve and still keeps a crocked horse in the line up until today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 01:13:35 AM
Somersby doesn't really appeal at the price. He got his arse handed to him by Mad Max at Liverpool and I'm coming to the conclusion that last year's Arkle form isn't worth much. I've never liked Sizing Europe and I think he'll struggle to win races this season over any trip. Osana is a decent stick but is Grade 2 or 3 quality at best. Captain Cee Bee was the class act in the race but he bled and McCoy could have pulled him up out in the country. Riverside Theatre was only beaten 9L despite clearly not handling the track - he bolted up today returning to a flat track at Kempton. Mad Max (who is not a particularly quick horse and will probably end up in the Gold Cup) would have won IMO had he not made an absolute hash of the second last. I've a feeling Somersby will go the way of Racing Demon and Calgary Bay unless Knight takes off the cotton wool and gets some proper experience into the horse.

Cornas won nicely at Limerick and he'll do for me e/w. I wouldn't touch Twist Magic with a barge-pole. Occasionally talented when he does consent to race but he can be a pure hound of a thing most days. No surprise that Ruby has given up on him. Chaninbar has a squeak at a big price - looks to be one going the right way and could be unexposed. Most of the rest of the field tomorrow are on the downgrade.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 02, 2010, 01:30:27 AM
Few quid on devils arcade
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 02:23:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 01:13:35 AM
I've never liked Sizing Europe and I think he'll struggle to win races this season over any trip.

Putting my money where my mouth is - China Rock is 13/2 for the Down Royal race on Saturday and Sizing Europe is 7/2. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Sizing Europe might have needed the run at Punchestown but I still think China Rock beat him on merit and will do so again on Saturday. I'm having a cut at him e/w.

I don't expect him to beat KS but he's capable of bustling him up and chasing him home. KS needed his comeback run last year and may still be mentally scarred from Cheltenham - how he survived that fall I don't know?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 02, 2010, 02:12:47 PM
Exeter 4.35  Join Together
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 02, 2010, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 02:23:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 01:13:35 AM
I've never liked Sizing Europe and I think he'll struggle to win races this season over any trip.

Putting my money where my mouth is - China Rock is 13/2 for the Down Royal race on Saturday and Sizing Europe is 7/2. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Sizing Europe might have needed the run at Punchestown but I still think China Rock beat him on merit and will do so again on Saturday. I'm having a cut at him e/w.

I don't expect him to beat KS but he's capable of bustling him up and chasing him home. KS needed his comeback run last year and may still be mentally scarred from Cheltenham - how he survived that fall I don't know?

Has Sizing Europe been out this season DH? I've obviously missed that one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 02, 2010, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 02, 2010, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 02:23:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 01:13:35 AM
I've never liked Sizing Europe and I think he'll struggle to win races this season over any trip.

Putting my money where my mouth is - China Rock is 13/2 for the Down Royal race on Saturday and Sizing Europe is 7/2. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Sizing Europe might have needed the run at Punchestown but I still think China Rock beat him on merit and will do so again on Saturday. I'm having a cut at him e/w.

I don't expect him to beat KS but he's capable of bustling him up and chasing him home. KS needed his comeback run last year and may still be mentally scarred from Cheltenham - how he survived that fall I don't know?

Has Sizing Europe been out this season DH? I've obviously missed that one.

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Arch_Race_Pup/0,13215,401359,00.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 08:46:33 PM
That Haldon Gold Cup was an interesting race today. Nicholls' string look to be fairly forward and I'm sure Ruby was relieved he picked the right one. That Twist Magic is a quare old horse - Fehily got a right tune out of him though. Somersby was outpaced after four out yet he's going for the Tingle Creek now? I think Knight described him as "a stayer with gears", well step him up in trip then ffs! My selection, Cornas, never got a blow in for whatever reason.

First Lieutenant runs again tomorrow in the 2m4 novice hurdle at Fairyhouse. He'll appreciate the ease in the ground and hopefully he'll win well if he's the potential superstar I think he is.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 02, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on November 02, 2010, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 02, 2010, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 02:23:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 01:13:35 AM
I've never liked Sizing Europe and I think he'll struggle to win races this season over any trip.

Putting my money where my mouth is - China Rock is 13/2 for the Down Royal race on Saturday and Sizing Europe is 7/2. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Sizing Europe might have needed the run at Punchestown but I still think China Rock beat him on merit and will do so again on Saturday. I'm having a cut at him e/w.

I don't expect him to beat KS but he's capable of bustling him up and chasing him home. KS needed his comeback run last year and may still be mentally scarred from Cheltenham - how he survived that fall I don't know?

Has Sizing Europe been out this season DH? I've obviously missed that one.

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Arch_Race_Pup/0,13215,401359,00.html

Absolutely nothing to suggest he'll get 3 miles then. I think The Great One at 8/13 is good value. If he jumps round he'll surely win.

Really looking forward to the day out, my first day's racing - Bot for a fry at 10 30 then the buses are leaving at 11 30am, entry to the Bot Marquee included!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 03, 2010, 01:38:10 AM
im up in belfast too aramgh tacadoir, what are the arrangements to get to the maze on friday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 03, 2010, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 08:46:33 PM
That Haldon Gold Cup was an interesting race today. Nicholls' string look to be fairly forward and I'm sure Ruby was relieved he picked the right one. That Twist Magic is a quare old horse - Fehily got a right tune out of him though. Somersby was outpaced after four out yet he's going for the Tingle Creek now? I think Knight described him as "a stayer with gears", well step him up in trip then ffs! My selection, Cornas, never got a blow in for whatever reason.

First Lieutenant runs again tomorrow in the 2m4 novice hurdle at Fairyhouse. He'll appreciate the ease in the ground and hopefully he'll win well if he's the potential superstar I think he is.

Is 10/11 a reasonable price for First lieutenant Dh?In 2 minds whether to back it or not! :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 03, 2010, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 02, 2010, 08:46:33 PM
That Haldon Gold Cup was an interesting race today. Nicholls' string look to be fairly forward and I'm sure Ruby was relieved he picked the right one. That Twist Magic is a quare old horse - Fehily got a right tune out of him though. Somersby was outpaced after four out yet he's going for the Tingle Creek now? I think Knight described him as "a stayer with gears", well step him up in trip then ffs! My selection, Cornas, never got a blow in for whatever reason.

First Lieutenant runs again tomorrow in the 2m4 novice hurdle at Fairyhouse. He'll appreciate the ease in the ground and hopefully he'll win well if he's the potential superstar I think he is.

Is 10/11 a reasonable price for First lieutenant Dh?In 2 minds whether to back it or not! :-\

I was trying to price the race up myself last night and I had him at 11/8 but that was before Brog An Ri came out so I suppose 10/11 is probably about right. Sizing Mexico is the danger and could be anything - interesting they run him here rather than in a soft maiden somewhere so they must think he's quite useful. I'd be very disappointed if anything else in the race was good enough to beat First Lieutenant. There may be better prices about him before the off because he sweated in the parade ring at Punchestown (didn't stop him winning) and may do so again. I'll probably back First Lieutenant with a small e/w saver on Sizing Mexico.

De Bromhead's horse in the first is another one I'm considering today.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 03, 2010, 12:30:53 PM
Got him at Evs this morning...
What sort of Price is Mexico DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 03, 2010, 12:30:53 PM
Got him at Evs this morning...
What sort of Price is Mexico DH?

6/1 with Stan James is the best price at the moment - generally 4s with most firms.

FL is still evs with Hills.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 03, 2010, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on November 03, 2010, 01:38:10 AM
im up in belfast too aramgh tacadoir, what are the arrangements to get to the maze on friday

Bot doing a deal whereby for £25 you get a fry in the Bot, travel to and from Down Royal, admission to the racecourse and entry to the Bot marquee*.


*For marquee, please read tent with alcohol.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 03, 2010, 02:03:01 PM

De Bromhead's horse in the first is another one I'm considering today.
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Quality call again DH.  Sauntered home without Lynch even touching it.  One to look out for maybe! 

Ruby and Nicholls at it again in Chepstow in the first. 

Nice wee double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 03, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
First Lieutenant bet. Never seemed to be travelling comfortably and Russell seemed to let him lose his place in the last mile.
He had won on the ground before so that can't really be an excuse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 02:11:13 PM
Very disappointing effort. Should be winning that handily if he's anywhere near as good as his reputation suggested. It wouldn't surprise me if they went chasing now because I don't think there's much point keeping him over timber.

Thankfully HdeB's got the job done in the first or I'd be having a few quiet weeks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 03, 2010, 03:06:57 PM
3:10 Warwick Hear My Song @ 6/4 
3:20 Chepstow Pavillon Bleu @ 10/3

cheeky double coming up me thinks...  ???  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 03, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
First Lieutenant bet. Never seemed to be travelling comfortably and Russell seemed to let him lose his place in the last mile.
He had won on the ground before so that can't really be an excuse.

From irishracing.com: Odds-on shot First Lieutenant's ride from Davy Russell was always going to attract attention, having stayed on for a never dangerous third, but Russell subsequently confirmed the suspicion that his mount hated today's ground.

He later reported to the Stewards that First Lieutenant "stumbled on the far side, lost his place and was hating the ground thereafter." Closer inspection of First Lieutenant's run confirms Russell's report that his mount did stumble on the back straight.


???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 03, 2010, 05:30:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 03, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
First Lieutenant bet. Never seemed to be travelling comfortably and Russell seemed to let him lose his place in the last mile.
He had won on the ground before so that can't really be an excuse.

From irishracing.com: Odds-on shot First Lieutenant's ride from Davy Russell was always going to attract attention, having stayed on for a never dangerous third, but Russell subsequently confirmed the suspicion that his mount hated today's ground.

He later reported to the Stewards that First Lieutenant "stumbled on the far side, lost his place and was hating the ground thereafter." Closer inspection of First Lieutenant's run confirms Russell's report that his mount did stumble on the back straight.


???

DH I have never sat on a horse so I would never slate a jockey for a ride but from looking at that ride today I would not have been too happy with it if I was Mouse Morris. As a man who knows a thing or 2, what was your opinion of Russells ride?

I am right in saying that he won his first race on Soft ground? The RacingPost had it as Soft to Yielding today although I read there on the Irish racing site that is was Soft to Heavy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 03, 2010, 05:30:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 03, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
First Lieutenant bet. Never seemed to be travelling comfortably and Russell seemed to let him lose his place in the last mile.
He had won on the ground before so that can't really be an excuse.

From irishracing.com: Odds-on shot First Lieutenant's ride from Davy Russell was always going to attract attention, having stayed on for a never dangerous third, but Russell subsequently confirmed the suspicion that his mount hated today's ground.

He later reported to the Stewards that First Lieutenant "stumbled on the far side, lost his place and was hating the ground thereafter." Closer inspection of First Lieutenant's run confirms Russell's report that his mount did stumble on the back straight.


???

DH I have never sat on a horse so I would never slate a jockey for a ride but from looking at that ride today I would not have been too happy with it if I was Mouse Morris. As a man who knows a thing or 2, what was your opinion of Russells ride?

I am right in saying that he won his first race on Soft ground? The RacingPost had it as Soft to Yielding today although I read there on the Irish racing site that is was Soft to Heavy.

I reckon Fairyhouse just made a complete balls of the ground. Incredible number of horses today were stumbling and losing their action which suggests there were plenty of false patches - not good enough from Fairyhouse.

FL is by Presenting out of a Fourstars Allstar mare so he shouldn't be too inconvenienced by cut in the ground. It's tempting to write off that run due to subsequent events but in truth he's probably just not as good as his p2p reputation (and price-tag!) suggested. He may have injured himself when stumbling so you just don't know.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 04, 2010, 11:36:14 AM
Any fancies today DH?

Good enough card in Thurles.

The Jockeys championship for the Flat is becoming a real ding dong affair.  Making good viewing. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Geoff Tipps on November 04, 2010, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: Joxer on November 04, 2010, 11:36:14 AM
Any fancies today DH?

Good enough card in Thurles.

The Jockeys championship for the Flat is becoming a real ding dong affair.  Making good viewing.

Art Music in the bumper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on November 04, 2010, 11:58:45 AM
Quote from: Joxer on November 04, 2010, 11:36:14 AM
Any fancies today DH?

Good enough card in Thurles.

The Jockeys championship for the Flat is becoming a real ding dong affair.  Making good viewing.  
Definitely lifting the profile of racing recently, Hughes was grounded yesterday due to bad weather and missed his evening rides and Hanagan failed to capitalise.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 04, 2010, 12:24:15 PM
Jockeys championship really has livened things up!Hughes gave some beautiful rides this past week,one on tuesday in particular was brilliant!
Both seem like decent family men and Hughes has had to overcome some demons, and wouldn't mind them being joint top,though it kind of defeats the purpose,corrrect me if im wrong but think it happened 4 or 5 years back with Seb Sanders and Jamie spencer sharing it!?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2010, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Joxer on November 04, 2010, 11:36:14 AM
Any fancies today DH?

Good enough card in Thurles.

The Jockeys championship for the Flat is becoming a real ding dong affair.  Making good viewing.

Keeping my powder dry for Down Royal and Navan at the weekend. Up Ou That is the class act on the card today but he's too short considering all of Mullins' string generally need a run.

I hope Hughesie pulls it off across the water. I've chatted to him a few times over at Cheltenham and he's a very sound, down to earth kind of bloke.

Quote from: beer baron on November 04, 2010, 12:24:15 PM
think it happened 4 or 5 years back with Seb Sanders and Jamie spencer sharing it!?

Spencer rode Inchnadamph to win the last race of the 2007 turf season to tie with Sanders.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 13aside on November 04, 2010, 12:55:27 PM
goin with a crowd to down royal on satuday  dh looking forward just to see one of the greats of our time in kauto star,flag up any fancies if you can early as plenty to do before going-many thanks and good luck!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 04, 2010, 03:42:20 PM
Any news on the state of the course at Down Royal, it has tipped it down for 4 days solid down the road in Armagh, not heading up but was looking forward to catching it on the telly.


Magens star just hacked up in thurles there backed from 5s into 9/4, (somebody knew something)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 04, 2010, 04:55:34 PM
pandorama will win on sat 3/1 at the moment with ladbrooks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2010, 05:54:31 PM
Can't really spot a bet on tomorrow's card. I think Blackstairmountain is a better horse than Luska Lad over 2 miles (although LL beat BSM at Fairyhouse) but all of Mullins' are needing a run. Summit Meeting is very interesting getting all the weight and is worth a look in the market - trip may be sharp enough though. Might have a small reverse f/c on Araucaria and Oililly in the Mares Novice.

I'm a massive Pandorama fan and am on for the Hennessy and for Cheltenham at fancy prices already but I'm not sure he's a bet on Saturday. 2m4 is sharp enough for him and their calling the ground 'yielding' at the moment which probably won't be enough to bring out his undoubted stamina. He's also more suited to going left-handed and I'd be concerned that the likes of Osana and Roberto Goldback will do him for boot.

Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 04, 2010, 03:42:20 PM
Magens star just hacked up in thurles there backed from 5s into 9/4, (somebody knew something)

Hard to believe she was that big a price at all considering she was rated 97 at one stage on the flat. Very easy to be wise after the event though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 05, 2010, 12:50:27 PM
Been told Toner doudairies worth e/w bet in 1.05 down royal and roid du mee in the 3.05 worth e/w bet too!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: swing-er-over on November 05, 2010, 12:54:41 PM
Thought there would be more chat on here about the breeders cup tbh. Zenyattas quest to become the greatest racehorse ever in the breeders cup classic, 19 wins in 19 starts, this will probably be her last race....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2010, 01:17:18 PM
Not a lot of Irish interest in the Breeders Cup this year with Ballydoyle only sending over a handful. Midday and Goldikova would appear to be the best of the Europeans. I'd be less keen on Workforce - seems to me like he's a pure galloper and it takes him an age to get into top gear. If Moore doesn't get him at it down the back straight, I could see something doing him for boot.

I don't know a lot about the Yanks in the Classic. Quality Road would be dangerous if he got an easy lead in front. Blame would be another for the shortlist. Zenyatta - greatest racehorse ever? Arkle and Flyingbolt would ate her!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on November 05, 2010, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 05, 2010, 12:50:27 PM
Been told Toner doudairies worth e/w bet in 1.05 down royal and roid du mee in the 3.05 worth e/w bet too!
Great start, now to invest the winnings
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 05, 2010, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 05, 2010, 12:50:27 PM
Been told Toner doudairies worth e/w bet in 1.05 down royal and roid du mee in the 3.05 worth e/w bet too!

FFS!! Always miss these...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 05, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
Of course greedy hole here has only done the double so if the second comes nowhere i've nothing  :( But if he wins-the milky bars are on me!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 05, 2010, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: swing-er-over on November 05, 2010, 12:54:41 PM
Thought there would be more chat on here about the breeders cup tbh. Zenyattas quest to become the greatest racehorse ever in the breeders cup classic, 19 wins in 19 starts, this will probably be her last race....

Not even in the top 5 racehorses of the last 2 years, never mind best racehorse ever!

Fair play, she's being fairly well placed by Sheriffs, beating her own gender 18 times out of 19, sole race against the colts in last year's in sub-standard Classic. 16/18 on synthetic where quality opposition is thin enough even in that division too.

Think she might get shown up on the dirt tomorrow night in a much stronger field than last year. Track is riding fast and the likes of Haynesfield and Quality Road will be let loose on the lead. If it gets a bit looser on top, might play more in the hands of the stalkers and closers but Zenyatta isn't the only stretch runner here, Blame and Lookin At Lucky can turn it on too. QR for me, broke three track records in his career, and is a real clock-watcher's dream. Never forget the raving of James Willoughby after he won the Florida Derby, was been chalked up as a Secreteriat by a few too! This is his race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 05, 2010, 03:38:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2010, 01:17:18 PM
Not a lot of Irish interest in the Breeders Cup this year with Ballydoyle only sending over a handful. Midday and Goldikova would appear to be the best of the Europeans. I'd be less keen on Workforce - seems to me like he's a pure galloper and it takes him an age to get into top gear. If Moore doesn't get him at it down the back straight, I could see something doing him for boot.

I don't know a lot about the Yanks in the Classic. Quality Road would be dangerous if he got an easy lead in front. Blame would be another for the shortlist. Zenyatta - greatest racehorse ever? Arkle and Flyingbolt would ate her!

Agree about Workforce but he looks a par above everything bar Bekhabad. The more conventional racetrack should swing it a bit more in favour of the French raider though, add in the dream run Workforce had in the Arc, and Bekhabad's luckless one and there's enough there to think he'll turn it around.

All over Red Desire in the Filly and Mare, can't be having Midday!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on November 05, 2010, 05:21:18 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 05, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
Of course greedy hole here has only done the double so if the second comes nowhere i've nothing  :( But if he wins-the milky bars are on me!

Profit made anyway so not so bad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 05, 2010, 05:38:47 PM
Quote from: Family guy on November 05, 2010, 05:21:18 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 05, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
Of course greedy hole here has only done the double so if the second comes nowhere i've nothing  :( But if he wins-the milky bars are on me!

Profit made anyway so not so bad

That my friend is very true!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on November 05, 2010, 06:44:59 PM
Harmonious in the 22.50 breeders cup tonight each way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on November 05, 2010, 08:07:34 PM
I fancy the David Fawkes trained Big Drama in the Sprint tomorrow night..

.. My Lucky 15 (I'm not asking much!!) for the 2 nights is: -

Big Drama @ 9/2 (GP)
18:30 BREEDERS CUP SPRINT 6f

Lookin At Lucky @ 5/1 (GP)
22:45 BREEDERS CUP CLASSIC 1m 2f

Midday @ 6/5 (GP)
22:50 FILLY & MARE TURF (GRADE 1) 1m 3f

Together @ 5/1 (GP)
20:50 JUVENILE FILLIES' TURF 1m
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 05, 2010, 08:29:17 PM
Well o'briens bright horizon was a pig!
Seen talk of a horse called sidneys candy on a racing discussion board running in breeders cup mile broke 2 track records without being fully driven out.Could be an each way alternative??Looks impressive to me in these 2 clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi0VxtA7gOA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY6uLj94LKI
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on November 05, 2010, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: vav on November 05, 2010, 08:07:34 PM
.. My Lucky 15 (I'm not asking much!!) for the 2 nights is: -

Big Drama @ 9/2 (GP)
18:30 BREEDERS CUP SPRINT 6f

Lookin At Lucky @ 5/1 (GP)
22:45 BREEDERS CUP CLASSIC 1m 2f

Midday @ 6/5 (GP)
22:50 FILLY & MARE TURF (GRADE 1) 1m 3f

Together @ 5/1 (GP)
20:50 JUVENILE FILLIES' TURF 1m
Not looking good  :'(

.. but am loving the American commentator Tom Durkin!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a3sdADaf5U&feature=related
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 06, 2010, 10:15:16 AM
Imperial Storm 3.30 The Maze.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on November 06, 2010, 10:20:35 AM
Any1 for Down royal 2day,wud drive down if get a few boys gathered up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on November 06, 2010, 11:21:11 AM
Pandorama in the 3.00 today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2010, 03:10:06 PM
Awful shame Pandorama had to be taken out. Looked like they were checking for blood from his nostril.

Satisfactory reappearance from Kauto Star. He basically outstayed Sizing Europe and the ground went against China Rock. Madness to be considering a tilt at the Hennessy though IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2010, 04:02:32 PM
Didn't look too good for Ruby. Broken leg?

Could be on the sidelines until after Christmas at the earliest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on November 06, 2010, 07:53:11 PM
Heard good things about pacos boy in the 8.40
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 06, 2010, 07:59:25 PM
you make him out as if he's a nag no ones heard of! goldikova will hopefully win

mourad shud be a good thing tomoro at navan but the way wmullins yards been going you couldnt back him at short prices, up ou that, blackstairmountain and glenlo abbey prime examples from this week. big zeb will win, with pp faller insurance is v handy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 06, 2010, 08:31:36 PM
Goldikova 3/2 fav.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 06, 2010, 08:35:27 PM
Had a flutter e/w on Court Vision.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 06, 2010, 08:42:34 PM
Goldikova wins. Great run on home straight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2010, 08:45:59 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Olivier Peslier is the best flat jockey in the world. Pure class from the mare. Absolutely electric turn of foot.

Quote from: the greatest jockey on November 06, 2010, 07:59:25 PM
mourad shud be a good thing tomoro at navan but the way wmullins yards been going you couldnt back him at short prices, up ou that, blackstairmountain and glenlo abbey prime examples from this week. big zeb will win, with pp faller insurance is v handy

Mourad is a bit of a dog. Always travels very well but never finds anything off the bit. Big Zeb should win barring a fall. Joncol will hopefully take them along so they won't go a false pace.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 06, 2010, 08:53:31 PM
Will any of them touch Zenyatta?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2010, 08:58:25 PM
She's a worthy fav but a false price. Pletcher's horse interests me but I don't think he'll have things his own way in front which could compromise his chance. Might back him in-running if he can get a lead.

Just watching that ride again from Peslier - tactical perfection. Compare it to Ryan Moore on Paco Boy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 06, 2010, 09:10:01 PM
Fist time for her at Churchill Downs aswell.  Only one horse in it out here. They have her the best thouraghbred of all time!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on November 06, 2010, 09:42:36 PM
Missed the race but glad to see Big Drama won :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 06, 2010, 10:38:43 PM
Ruby had a double break in leg..will be out for 3 months + apparently :(. Its a tough game.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2010, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on November 06, 2010, 10:38:43 PM
Ruby had a double break in leg..will be out for 3 months + apparently :(. Its a tough game.

It could be 6-9 months I'd say - did both the tibia and fibula. Will be lucky to be back for the Cheltenham Festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 06, 2010, 10:54:39 PM
What a race! Zenyatta beat by a nose.Blame wins. Zenyatta had bother getting out of the crowd but nearly done it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on November 06, 2010, 10:55:47 PM
Is it just me or did the jockey give Zenyatta a shite ride? Too far back from the start?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2010, 10:58:23 PM
Hell of a race. Great ride from Garrett Gomez.

The mare ran on really well but I think the jock was over-confident. She missed the kick and I think Smith wasn't anticipating them going so hard that early. He should have got after her early in back straight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on November 06, 2010, 10:58:23 PM
Mike Smith should hang his head in shame.. made a feck of it.. Brilliant horse though.. gave the winner a 20 length start and only beaten by a short head.. there'll be books written about him and that race will feature heavily.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haze on November 06, 2010, 11:25:28 PM
What an unbelievable race- not too dissimilar to when rock of gibraltar lost over there. What a pity she didn't win it. I was expecting her to be pulled up she was so far back
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2010, 11:30:15 PM
Having seen the replay several times now, it's clear to me that Smith loses the race in the first two furlongs. The mare clearly misses the kick but he appears in no panic to get after her so early in the race. I think he anticipates they'll steady up the pace in front after going 1/4 mile but if anything they speed up before they hit the first bend and the mare is left 10L+ adrift of the pack and about 20L behind the leaders. If he had pushed her into the bridle early on and sat maybe a length or two off the pack there's no doubt in my mind she'd have won that going away. The jock was caught napping and was probably overconfident - I had no financial involvement in the race by the way.

His antics with the whip up the straight were nothing short of disgraceful. He'd have the book thrown at him if he did that to a mare at the Curragh or at Ascot. There's something very ugly about racing in the States.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 06, 2010, 11:43:55 PM
Think you have got it 100% correct there Donnelly on 2 counts clearly the best player in the field but won't bring back the 200 snoops I stuck on it  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on November 06, 2010, 11:46:53 PM
NH season will be lesser without ruby. will be sorelly missed for next 6 mths or so.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 07, 2010, 02:32:58 AM
Smith lost the race inside 10 seconds ( yeah he missed the jump but he was only 4 lenths behind after 1f, also how can a horse respond from a dig when he is slapped 20 times in 4 seconds, id shout the cnut now in my moud
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 07, 2010, 12:38:29 PM
mourad's a nr today, for me big zeb, jumbo rio, ninetieth minute and prima vista look the picks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 07, 2010, 01:24:26 PM
tom horn in the last at navan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2010, 01:28:36 PM
Looks like Paul Carberry might be joining Ruby on the sidelines for a while.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: OverTheBlackSpot on November 07, 2010, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2010, 01:28:36 PM
Looks like Paul Carberry might be joining Ruby on the sidelines for a while.

looked a bad fall alright, them jockeys are tough cookies all the same. Its a hard living, seeing soccer players rolling round the field and these boys falling 5 or 6 feet and getting right back up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2010, 02:02:51 PM
Noel Meade must have walked under a few ladders on Friday. He must have used up his quota of bad luck for the season in the space of two days - Pandorama, Jetson, Aitmatov and now Prima Vista.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2010, 09:42:10 PM
Staying Article runs in the second race down at Limerick tomorrow.

I couldn't get over how easily this horse beat some very fancied runners in his bumper and it will be very interesting to see how he takes to timber.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2010, 01:43:11 PM
Limerick rained off. Hopefully Staying Article will take his chance at Naas on Wednesday instead.

Anyone else doing the Ten To Follow? Been mulling over mine all weekend. Eventually settled on:

List 1:
1036 Big Bucks
1039 Binocular
1052 Captain Cee Bee
1080 Cue Card
1117 Finians Rainbow
1180 Kauto Star
1199 Mad Max
1222 Mikael D'Haguenet
1264 Pandorama
1332 Solwhit

List 2:
1036 Big Bucks
1038 Big Zeb
1039 Binocular
1080 Cue Card
1161 Imperial Commander
1264 Pandorama
1290 Quel Esprit
1301 Reve De Sivola
1321 Shinrock Paddy
1332 Solwhit
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 08, 2010, 02:20:34 PM
I'll be back in 12 weeks says Ruby

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/11/08/manual_134141.html

and Murtagh splits with Ballydoyle

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/murtagh-splits-with-ballydoyle/787188/top/

amidst back on sauce rumour mill.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2010, 04:47:39 PM
No surprise really. Been coming down the tracks for the past 3-4 months.

I'd imagine Smullen will get the gig now with Gary Carroll rumoured to be in line for the job at Rosewell. Would love to see them get Peslier though. Johnny will go back riding for Mick Halford and Ger Lyons.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 08, 2010, 04:48:24 PM
Johnny Murtagh has quit his job as Coolmore/Ballydoyle stable jockey.

The move was officially confirmed in a statement released by his agent, Eddie Byrne, this afternoon.

It said: 'Johnny Murtagh has spoken to Mr John Magnier, Mr Derrick Smith, Mr Michael Tabor and Mr Aidan O'Brien today and informed them that he will not be renewing his contract to ride as stable jockey to Coolmore/Ballydoyle next season, 2011.

Coolmore is the worldwide breeding operation behind the powerful Ballydoyle stable, for which Murtagh was the primary rider. He also rode for several other handlers who train Coomore-owned horses.

Murtagh guided the brilliant Yeats to two of his four victories in the Gold Cup at Royal Ascot, as well as enjoying multiple Classic victories on the likes of Henrythenavigator, Fame And Glory and most recently Cape Blanco in this year's Irish Derby.

The jockey's last notable success for the Coolmore operation came aboard Roderic O'Connor in the Group One Criterium International at Saint-Cloud on October 31.


The statement added: 'He (Murtagh) would like to thank Mr Magnier, Mr Smith, Mr Tabor and Mr O'Brien for the wonderful and successful three years that we all enjoyed together and he wishes all of them, and their families, every success in the future.

'He would also like to thank Mr David Wachman, Mr Charles O'Brien and Mr Tommy Stack, who also train Coolmore horses, and to wish them every success next season.'

There had been speculation that the Meathman was on the point of quitting with suggestions that a top jockey in the UK had already been offered the post but had turned it down.

Pat Smullen, currently stable jockey for Dermot Weld, is now considered the most likely man to take Murtagh's place.

William Buick, Christophe Soumillon, Colm O'Donoghue and Ryan Moore are among those who have been linked with the job while it has also been speculated that Kieren Fallon could make a return to the job.

Joseph O'Brien, son of trainer Aidan, has also been riding more of Ballydoyle's first string this season.

Murtagh has been the retained jockey at Ballydoyle since 2008, when he replaced Fallon.
___________________________________________________________________-


Anyone know the real reason why he is leaving?  Is it just because he was been undermined?  Had heard a couple of months ago that there was unrest.  DH,  any insights?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2010, 04:58:58 PM
He hasn't been riding out down there since the start of the summer. I don't know if Johnny is back boozing or not. He's always been a bit of a free spirit so maybe he's fed up of the bullsh1t that goes with the Ballydoyle job. He's settled on the Curragh so it could be that he just fancies the quiet life riding out down the road at Halford's yard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 08, 2010, 06:50:25 PM
From what i hear he's not back on the sauce just fed up with the crap that goes with the job!Supposedly Smullen's not interested and Soumillion has a job in France and Berry's unlikely to leave Oxx,who else is available and has the ability?Fallon hardly make a comeback?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2010, 11:13:53 PM
Nah it won't be Fallon. He burned his bridges there big time and hasn't been riding well since his comeback anyway.

I think Coolmore will play it fairly safe with there next choice so I doubt it'll be a loose cannon like Soumillon or Gomez. Richard Hughes might be reluctant to leave Hannon's given that he's married to his daughter but it'd be great if Ballydoyle could entice him home. Jimmy Fortune or Wayne Lordan would be two dark horses I'd put up. Aidan's always been a big fan of Fortune (gave him the spare on Rip Van Winkle in the Eclipse) and he's not attached to a big yard since John Gosden got rid of him for Buick. Lordan has ridden plenty of winners for Coolmore for David Wachman and Tommy Stack.

It's Smullen's if he wants it but I'm sure he'd find it hard to leave Rosewell. He has strong family connections to Aidan though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 09, 2010, 12:43:40 AM
Michael o hare has a few runners in Sedgefield tomorrow and Andrew Lynch is riding,could be worth checking in the market!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on November 09, 2010, 03:27:49 PM
When there are five runners is it the first two for placepot?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on November 09, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2010, 03:27:49 PM
When there are five runners is it the first two for placepot?

Aye as far I know it is first 2 placed when there is 5, 6 or 7 entries in the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on November 09, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on November 09, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2010, 03:27:49 PM
When there are five runners is it the first two for placepot?

Aye as far I know it is first 2 placed when there is 5, 6 or 7 entries in the race.

Good job, have first five up at Exeter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on November 09, 2010, 03:49:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on November 09, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2010, 03:27:49 PM
When there are five runners is it the first two for placepot?

Aye as far I know it is first 2 placed when there is 5, 6 or 7 entries in the race.

Good job, have first five up at Exeter.

Are you gonna scud yourself and name your last pick?  :P
 
favourites placed in all but the last race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on November 09, 2010, 03:50:39 PM
Dun See Dee. There, scud placed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on November 09, 2010, 04:08:34 PM
£41.70. Do me alright for a pound.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on November 09, 2010, 04:38:42 PM
i see Barney Curley has a few out in Huntington tomorrow could be worth keeping an eye on in betting
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 09, 2010, 04:39:51 PM
Big day for Edward O'Grady at Naas tomorrow. Shot From The Hip (JP has snapped him up from the Magniers) and Staying Article both make their hurdling debuts.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on November 09, 2010, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2010, 04:08:34 PM
£41.70. Do me alright for a pound.

Good enuf. 40 notes on a Tuesday can't be frowned at. Get it lumped on the football now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 10, 2010, 02:20:55 PM
laid a bit of rivage dor at 1.16, seems to idle up front. staying article looks a v good prosepct
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2010, 02:30:14 PM
Staying Article is going to take high rank among our novices. That was a strong maiden - Forty Foot Tom has some excellent bumper form and Kid Curry is highly thought of by Noel Meade although he's yet to show it on the track. That Gigginstown horse is an appalling beast though. How it went off odds-on I'll never know.

Shot From The Hip had a nice enough introduction. He'll win races this winter for sure.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 10, 2010, 02:33:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2010, 02:30:14 PM
Staying Article is going to take high rank among our novices. That was a strong maiden - Forty Foot Tom has some excellent bumper form and Kid Curry is highly thought of by Noel Meade although he's yet to show it on the track. That Gigginstown horse is an appalling beast though. How it went off odds-on I'll never know.

Shot From The Hip had a nice enough introduction. He'll win races this winter for sure.

You called your fancy again DH.  Looks a great prospect for the winter!  I wonder when you will see it next?  Over Christmas perhaps?  Poor enough card for the rest of the day!  Any other fancies DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
I'd imagine he'll go for the Royal Bond at Fairyhouse a fortnight on Saturday if he comes out of the race okay. Don't really have a strong fancy for anything else on today's card - Meade's should win the maiden hurdle at 3:15 but he's short enough. Scoter Fontaine in the 3:10 at Bangor is another interesting horse so a small short priced double might be the way to go.

The Clonmel Oil card tomorrow is always a quality day's racing. I'll have a look over it later.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 10, 2010, 02:56:23 PM
dont know what happened medemrit but laid him at 1.15, lifes good today. tranquil sea shud be too good tomoro, dont know about the price. edward o'grady was on atr there, mentioned a slight concern about going right handed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2010, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on November 10, 2010, 02:56:23 PM
dont know what happened medemrit but laid him at 1.15, lifes good today. tranquil sea shud be too good tomoro, dont know about the price. edward o'grady was on atr there, mentioned a slight concern about going right handed

Looked to have either ran out or refused - hard to tell from the camera angle. Ante-post fav for the Arkle!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 10, 2010, 04:36:36 PM
Good man DH.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on November 10, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
Bet receipt number : O/20738152/0000179Selection Selection Details Result
1 Horse Racing
SOUTHWELL
16:00 HANDICAP (0-75) ( 6f
10th of Nov 2010 4:00 pm
Win or each way
1/5 places 1,2,3
Victorian Bounty @ 14/1 (GP) 

Win

Stake and Return Details
Bet placed at 10th of Nov 2010 4:00 pm Total Stake £20.00
Bet type Single (Each-Way) Tax@Tax free 0
Number of lines 2 Total stake due £20.00
Stake per line £10.00 Freebets Redeemed £0.00
Channel Internet Total amount paid £20.00
Number of win lines 2   
Number of void lines 0 Returns £188.00

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on November 10, 2010, 05:00:58 PM
Someone's got a problem...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tyrone girl on November 10, 2010, 05:02:17 PM
 ??? R u referring to me?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2010, 05:45:48 PM
Had a quick peep at tomorrow's card. Both feature contests look like two horse races to me but it's hard to recommend a bet without seeing the prices.

Tranquil Sea is 3 from 3 on his seasonal reappearances and he looks the class act in the field. I don't know how much to read into the going right-handed argument. He certainly jumped left when he made his chasing debut at Cork but I can't recall him doing it since. He won a Grade 1 novice hurdle at Punchestown going right-handed so I don't think it makes too much difference to him. He has a job on giving 6lbs to Let Yourself Go (who he is only rated 7lbs superior to on the book) tomorrow. He's a bit in and out (ran poorly on his reappearance at Limerick) but on a going day, he's very good - like when he chased home Captain Cee Bee at Punchestown last April. Scotsirish will need the run tomorrow and the rest of the field are on the downgrade.

The mares chase looks a good contest. I have it as a match between For Bill and Cruising Katie because Blazing Tempo will probably improve for the run and the rest don't look like they have the same scope. For Bill is a massive mare who won a string of good races in soft ground last year but she lacks the chasing experience of Cruising Katie and the latter has the benefit of a run when she ran a cracker behind Cornas at Limerick. If I got a guarantee that For Bill was match fit, I'd hammer her e/w but I'm leaning towards keeping my powder dry for Cheltenham at the weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 10, 2010, 09:22:41 PM
Cheers DH excellent informative write up as usual
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on November 10, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 10, 2010, 07:43:19 PM
Chris Timmons... ::)

An appalling ride.. A 28 day ban following which he'll struggle to get any rides.. he deserves nothing better after that performance!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2010, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: vav on November 10, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 10, 2010, 07:43:19 PM
Chris Timmons... ::)

An appalling ride.. A 28 day ban following which he'll struggle to get any rides.. he deserves nothing better after that performance!

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,405383,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,405383,00.html)

Does he mistake the winning post? Looks like he drops his hands at the 1/2f pole and then panics when he peaks behind him and sees the jock on the eventual winner still flailing away.

Massive c**k up if it's simply a case of easing up. He's another victim of the inherent flaw in the necessary evil that is the handicap system - win too far or too easily and your trainer/owner are not going to be best pleased. One things for sure, he won't do it again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on November 10, 2010, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2010, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: vav on November 10, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 10, 2010, 07:43:19 PM
Chris Timmons... ::)

An appalling ride.. A 28 day ban following which he'll struggle to get any rides.. he deserves nothing better after that performance!

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,405383,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,405383,00.html)

Does he mistake the winning post? Looks like he drops his hands at the 1/2f pole and then panics when he peaks behind him and sees the jock on the eventual winner still flailing away.


The lads in the shop today were saying that he must have mistaken the winning post but if ya  watch the replay he looks over both shoulders, taking a long look over his left shoulder before easing up and then awhile after easing he takes another look over his right shoulder.. if he had've mistaken the half furlong mark for the winning post what was the need to look over his shoulder if the race was over  ??? Very poor judgement call either way!

Quote
Massive c**k up if it's simply a case of easing up. He's another victim of the inherent flaw in the necessary evil that is the handicap system - win too far or too easily and your trainer/owner are not going to be best pleased. One things for sure, he won't do it again.

He'll have a tough job convincing a trainer to give him a ride after that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 11, 2010, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: vav on November 10, 2010, 11:30:47 PM
Quote
Massive c**k up if it's simply a case of easing up. He's another victim of the inherent flaw in the necessary evil that is the handicap system - win too far or too easily and your trainer/owner are not going to be best pleased. One things for sure, he won't do it again.

He'll have a tough job convincing a trainer to give him a ride after that.

Can't say I'm too familiar with the lad but I'm sure he'll still pick up rides. He gave that horse a textbook ride up until the last 50 yards in fairness. He's made a big error but he's hardly the first jockey to do that and I've seen far worse this year alone - Twiston-Davies' young fella for instance had two c**k ups at Perth this summer, one for easing up and another for riding a finish a circuit early.

It just highlights the pitfalls of the handicap system again. If he'd have drove that horse out to the line and won 10L+ I'm sure the trainer/owner would have ate the head off him for ruining the horse's chance of winning another race again in the near future.
Title: TTF - Donns strategy
Post by: bcarrier on November 11, 2010, 09:20:11 AM
Here's what you do. Concentrate exclusively on the bonus races. Sure, you can deviate from them, but if you are putting in a horse because he is potentially a nice novice hurdler, or because you think that he might win a race at a big price, or because he might win the Totesport Trophy in February, then you are carrying a man from the start.

If you do have such a horse on your mind, back him in those races for sure, but don't succumb to the temptation to allow him use up an entry in your Ten To Follow list. He may well do all of the above, win a handicap hurdle at a big price and/or win the Totesport Trophy, but the percentage call is that he won't, and this competition is all about percentages. You get as many points for winning the Paddy Power Gold Cup as you do for winning the Totesport Trophy, and how much easier is it to predict the winner of the Paddy Power at this juncture?

There are 15 bonus races, and they have to be the targets. As well as the Totesport Trophy, I would also leave out the Racing Post Trophy and the Grand National. They are just too difficult to predict at this stage, so far out. That leaves 12 races. The Ryanair is also difficult (not that the others aren't, but it is difficult to know the make-up of the Ryanair at this stage), and the chances are that most of your Ryanair possibles are also either Champion Chase or Gold Cup possibles, so you can legitimately scratch that.

That's 11 races. But it's a Ten To Follow? Lump the Irish Champion Hurdle in with the Champion Hurdle, the main contenders for one are also high on the pecking order for the other, and, hey presto, that's 10 categories, 10 horses.

Here are my 10:

Paddy Power Gold Cup: Catch Me (from a shortlist that was made up of Long Run, Great Endeavour, Mad Max and the aforementioned Catch Me, no rocket science there then)

Hennessy: Weird Al (in the hope that Kauto Star doesn't run and he isn't miles out of the handicap)

King George: Kauto Star (Sizing Europe and Long Run were options, but Kauto is still the percentage call, again, as long as he doesn't run in the Hennessy)

Irish Hennessy: Cooldine (in the hope that he can put last season behind him)

Arkle: Loosen My Load (from a shortlist that was made up of him and Celestial Halo)

Champion Hurdle/Irish Champion Hurdle: Solwhit (he will run plenty, he will probably be favourite for the Irish Champion Hurdle, he had a setback before Cheltenham last year, so he is probably better than he was able to show there, and Hurricane Fly is just too risky)

Champion Chase: Big Zeb (the most solid option by some way)

RSA Chase: Wayward Prince (huge potential as a staying novice chaser in a really exciting division)

World Hurdle: Big Buck's (difficult to leave him out, although Zaynar was tempting)

Gold Cup: Sizing Europe (a bit of a flyer, but I am well against the top three in the market, Sizing is an Arkle winner and has a big chance of staying the trip on last Saturday's evidence)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 11, 2010, 09:56:57 AM
Working with Donns rules my shortlist pending decs for week end is

Paddy Power Gold Cup: Long Run ( potentially covers KG later ) or Mad Max ( potentially covers Ryanair later)
Hennessy: Pandaroma ( covers Irish Hennessy ) or  Burton Port ( both  10st) and might pick up a few conditions races ..Gold Cup long shots
King George: I think Kauto might be vulnerable. You need something from leftfield in the list so might try something like Nacarat ( will probably turn up at racing post trophy later ) or Riverside Theatre ( another Kempton lover)
Irish Hennessy: Joncol ( should pick up other points ) or  something like What a friend ( ditto) 
Arkle:  Avrika but injury worry?
Champion Hurdle/Irish Champion Hurdle: Solwhit seems solid choice . I noticed hurdlers can score well so will probably have Binocular in my list as well for Fighting Fifth/ Christmas Hurdle points.
Champion Chase:  ? Big Zeb will only have one run before transfer window so might transfer in in January  ...in meantime Masterminded could get points on Sunday and at Tingle Creek
RSA Chase: Too hard to pick – think I will replace with Novice hurdler – Cue Card looks the obvious one
World Hurdle: Big Bucks without Ruby ? Might wait for transfer window ...in meantime Zaynar or Peddlers Cross might pick up a few points
Gold Cup: ? An open year   ...might stick in What a Friend or Punchestowns  after transfer window


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 11, 2010, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2010, 01:43:11 PM
Limerick rained off. Hopefully Staying Article will take his chance at Naas on Wednesday instead.

Anyone else doing the Ten To Follow? Been mulling over mine all weekend. Eventually settled on:

List 1:
1036 Big Bucks
1039 Binocular
1052 Captain Cee Bee
1080 Cue Card
1117 Finians Rainbow
1180 Kauto Star
1199 Mad Max
1222 Mikael D'Haguenet
1264 Pandorama
1332 Solwhit

List 2:
1036 Big Bucks
1038 Big Zeb
1039 Binocular
1080 Cue Card
1161 Imperial Commander
1264 Pandorama
1290 Quel Esprit
1301 Reve De Sivola
1321 Shinrock Paddy
1332 Solwhit

I don't think you have to win the Paddy Power to be in with a shout of the TTF. For me, your Hennessy horse (Pandorama in my case) is more important because there's more chance that the Hennessy winner will go on to win points later in the season. Apart from Imperial Commander, most recent Paddy Power winners have achieved very little afterwards because they've been hammered by the handicapper. At least there's a chance your Hennessy horse could develop into a Gold Cup horse and in Pandorama's case, a Lexus and Irish Hennessy horse too. I've only one Paddy Power horse in my lists and that's Mad Max who could well be a King George/Ryanair horse down the line.

There are a few bankers for me - Big Bucks, Binocular, Cue Card and Solwhit. He'll probably only run four times but there's very little out there to challenge Big Bucks. Binocular appeared at Cheltenham to be over whatever was ailing him early last season so he'll take all the beating in the English hurdle races. Picking a novice hurdler can be dodgy enough but Tizzard has said he'll run Cue Card every 3-4 weeks so he should be a good points earner. Hurricane Fly is too fragile so Solwhit is a must from the Irish hurdlers - he'll win on Sunday and will be very hard to beat in both the Grade 1s at Leopardstown even if a fit Hurricane Fly turns up.

I've a 2 miler (Big Zeb/Captain Cee Bee), a 3 miler (Kauto Star/Imperial Commander), an English novice chaser (Finians Rainbow/Reve De Sivola) and an Irish novice chaser (Mikael D'Haguenet/Quel Esprit) in either list. I've put Shinrock Paddy into the second list instead of a Paddy Power horse. I think he'll clean up the soft staying events like Solerina and Limestone Lad used to do and rack up the points. I'm normally out of the running by Cheltenham in this thing though!

Plenty of money around for For Bill this morning. Looks like she's fit to do herself justice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 11, 2010, 03:50:12 PM
Another winner today DH. I'll be following you closely at Cheltenham this weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 11, 2010, 04:45:07 PM
Cheers Lecale. Two races interest me tomorrow - the novice hurdle and the novice chase.

Cue Card is one of those horses I'll keep backing until he loses. He jumped very well at Aintree and the drop back in trip shouldn't be too much of a problem. Dunraven Storm is a good horse and he should ensure that Cue Card isn't ridiculously short but he was miles behind him in the bumper in March.

The novice chase looks very informative. The market should tell a lot with most of these making their seasonal reappearances. Time For Rupert will be popular after chasing home Big Bucks at the festival but Reve De Sivola is a horse I think is destined for a good season. He split Peddlers Cross and Rite Of Passage in March and he went on to win well at Punchestown. I'll be backing him e/w if there's any 3/1+ available.

Garde Champetre had a nice prep over hurdles a few weeks back and as usual will take all the beating in the X-Country. Not a race for a big bet but he's usually a puntable price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on November 12, 2010, 01:54:30 PM
did a 50pew lucky 15 today

Baileys Ruffet 2.50 Newcastle @14-1
Aviso 3.15 Lingfield @5-1
Eyre Square 3.25 Newcastle @13-2
Harris Hawk 3.55 Newcastle @ 9-1

In a seperate bet i did Traffic Article 3.35 Cheltenham @16-1.  Elliot and OConnells only horse and ride today.  Also Toals are paying first 5 in that race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on November 12, 2010, 02:06:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 12, 2010, 01:56:02 PM
Great show from Cue Card there.

sounded impressive, any idea what official distance was.  Was going to stick 20 on in toals earlier to win by 5 lengths or more at 9-4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 12, 2010, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on November 12, 2010, 02:06:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 12, 2010, 01:56:02 PM
Great show from Cue Card there.

sounded impressive, any idea what official distance was.  Was going to stick 20 on in toals earlier to win by 5 lengths or more at 9-4

8 Lengths!  Very very impressive!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 12, 2010, 02:12:45 PM
Doubled it up with Garde in the 3:00 so heres hoping!

EDIT:  Apologies HS!  They might need it!

De Boitron in the next is a great EW price at 12's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 12, 2010, 02:52:34 PM
Comparisons with Dunguib and Cousin Vinny are obvious but Cue Card looks like he can actually jump unlike those two.

After what happened last March, I probably won't back him antepost - once bitten twice shy for me. He'll be meeting better horses than Dunraven Storm in the future but he's beaten him pointless. They always say Cheltenham bumper winners are stayers so the 2m5 at the festival would be where I'd aim him - with hindsight I think Philip Fenton would have sent Dunguib for the longer race and Cousin Vinny was going to run in that race (ahead of Mikael D'Haguenet who wasn't going to travel to Cheltenham) until Hurricane Fly got injured and had to pull out of the Supreme.

Looking at the Supreme betting, he looks head and shoulders above everything at the moment. There's any amount of speedy flat recruits that will be going hurdling in the next few weeks though - Casual Conquest being the obvious one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 12, 2010, 03:14:44 PM
Missed plenty of them on the final circuit - Spotthedifference, he ain't
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 12, 2010, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on November 12, 2010, 01:54:30 PM
did a 50pew lucky 15 today

Baileys Ruffet 2.50 Newcastle @14-1
Aviso 3.15 Lingfield @5-1
Eyre Square 3.25 Newcastle @13-2
Harris Hawk 3.55 Newcastle @ 9-1

In a seperate bet i did Traffic Article 3.35 Cheltenham @16-1.  Elliot and OConnells only horse and ride today.  Also Toals are paying first 5 in that race

should have just stuck to number 3 in all those races!!  ??? :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 12, 2010, 05:41:35 PM
Reve De Sivola was disappointing. Time For Rupert looked a decent recruit. I'd be disappointed if we don't have a better staying novice in Ireland though.

I'm struggling to find a bet on tomorrow's cards. The Paddy Power is always a decent punting race but I'm torn between Mad Max and Catch Me at the moment who both represent solid e/w value with the sponsors paying 5 places. Long Run should win but is a silly price considering the jockey he'll have on board.

Zaidpour is one to watch at Punchestown but isn't really a bet given Mullins' record first time out this season. He was rated 98 on the flat and is a half-brother to Zaynar. L'Ami should make up for Garde Champetre's defeat today but he'll be no price at all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 12, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
Our buddy from few weeks back fools wildcat going in the 9.00 at Dundalk-been told its worth an e/w bet but at 7/2 i'll just be going on the nose.Carlito Brigantes at dundalk too  in the 8.30 and  looks to have a chance but have heard nothing for it so might just have small wager on it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on November 12, 2010, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 12, 2010, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on November 12, 2010, 01:54:30 PM
did a 50pew lucky 15 today

Baileys Ruffet 2.50 Newcastle @14-1
Aviso 3.15 Lingfield @5-1
Eyre Square 3.25 Newcastle @13-2
Harris Hawk 3.55 Newcastle @ 9-1

In a seperate bet i did Traffic Article 3.35 Cheltenham @16-1.  Elliot and OConnells only horse and ride today.  Also Toals are paying first 5 in that race

should have just stuck to number 3 in all those races!!  ??? :D

true.  Apparently Traffic Article was going well in 3.35 race, was sitting in 2nd when he fell four fences from home
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 13, 2010, 09:05:10 AM
Quote from: beer baron on November 12, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
Our buddy from few weeks back fools wildcat going in the 9.00 at Dundalk-been told its worth an e/w bet but at 7/2 i'll just be going on the nose.Carlito Brigantes at dundalk too  in the 8.30 and  looks to have a chance but have heard nothing for it so might just have small wager on it!

Very poor run by foolswildcat,never involved  >:( Apologies!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on November 13, 2010, 12:48:57 PM
my lucky 15 for today

charcter building 1.55 Cheltenham @ 10-1
whosaidso 1.35 Punchestown @5-1
European Dream 2.55 Wetherby @4-1
Supercede 3.10 Cheltenham @7-1

seperate bet Pigeon Island ew in 2.35 cheltenham at 20-1.  Toals paying first 5
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on November 13, 2010, 01:44:48 PM
**** that, 1st one a faller.  Worst thing is i went up to back beautiful sound but was put off by the length of time since its last run :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on November 13, 2010, 01:49:47 PM
Using my failsure methods of elimination, Great Endeavour looks a great bet for the Paddy Power.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on November 13, 2010, 01:53:53 PM
Long Run in the PP gold cup seems a cert
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on November 13, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
some performance from Midnight Chase, lead from start to finish at a relentless pace, completely blew the rest away.  33-1 for the national with paddy power.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2010, 02:43:55 PM
Sam Waley Cohen  :D

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/18/article-1097553-029AD896000005DC-885_468x906.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 13, 2010, 08:57:43 PM
Any fancies for tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2010, 09:08:51 PM
I'm leaving the Cheltenham card alone even though I think a lot of a few horses that will be running. The ground looked to have deteriorated a lot today as all the finishes were in slow motion and plenty of horses were coming home legless. I think there could be a few form horses turned over.

The Punchestown card is top class. Noble Prince should win the Craddocktsown from Realt Dubh but I wouldn't be too keen on him at short odds. I'm not a huge fan of flat bred geldings over fences and I've a feeling that Paul Carberry, who won't be on board tomorrow, made him look a bit better than he actually is the last day. I was very impressed with Thegreatjohnbrowne on his last run (Magnanimity franked the form today) and I'll take him to go in again in the Florida Pearl Chase. He's a huge imposing horse who disappointed over hurdles but I think he's had a wind-op over the summer and chasing looks like it'll be the making of him. Healys Bar has some very good form but he's clearly difficult to win with and I'd be surprised if he turns over Meade's horse.

Solwhit for me is a good thing in the Morgiana. Charles Byrnes is saying he'll need the run but if Charles Byrnes told me the sky was blue I'd look out the window to double check. This horse won the November Handicap first time out two years ago and won this race (beating the mighty Hurricane Fly) last year. Murphy's mare is very useful on her day but she'll have to produce a career best to beat Solwhit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 13, 2010, 10:59:58 PM
do you frequent the betfair forums dh, i read a very similar comment about charles byrnes the other day, altho that might jus tell us what we need to know baout cvb. for me tomorrow - capt chris, padydeplasterer and  a very sneaky ew on fiulin.
in the 2m4f novice hurdle thought one cool tornado was a good shout at 8/1 but is now 6/1, drumfire at 5/1 interests with his previous conquerer macville franking the form slamming aracuria and oilily at down royal last week.

at punchestown sweet my lord in the first if theres any market support, most but not all of willie mullins' have needed a run this season, ill wait to see the prices on noble prince and realt dubh, if theres no great disparity ill be on noble prince, gates of rome could go close at a big price. thegreatjohnbrownes form his last win has been franked several times-magnaminity, bostons angel

if solwhit does need the run should sublimity really be 12/1, doesnt like bad ground but thats all hes been running on for teh past few seasons, voler la vedette is no value at 9/4, dont know how shes shorter than donnas palm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2010, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on November 13, 2010, 10:59:58 PM
do you frequent the betfair forums dh, i read a very similar comment about charles byrnes the other day, altho that might jus tell us what we need to know baout cvb.

I'm banned!  ;D

I'd be wary of Drumfire. Classy on the level but seems to be a very difficult ride. It looks a desperate race for a Grade 2 though.

Willie Mullins' horses seem like they've been coming right over the past few days. Blazing Tempo won a very competitive mares chase at Clonmel and Zaidpour was punted off the boards and bolted up today. I think he could be very good - 98 on the flat and a half brother to Zaynar.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 14, 2010, 09:52:13 AM
Oscars Well ran well on it's debut lto so should come on well in the 3.25 today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on November 14, 2010, 01:49:54 PM
Realtdubh and Thegreatjohnbrowne both won handy enough.  The greatjohnbrowne looked very impressive.  Waiting on solwhit now for the treble!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2010, 01:57:07 PM
Thegreatjohnbrowne looks a proper horse. Jumped like a stag. I'm not sure Noble Prince would have beaten Realt Dubh had he ran either. Good day so far for Meade.

Two reversals at Cheltenham so far - happy enough I didn't get involved. Forpadydeplasterer has some bout of seconditis.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 14, 2010, 01:59:18 PM
ThegreatJohnBrowne looks a fine prospect, a great jumper. Had it doubled with ForPaddydplasterer. My patience is wearing thin with it. 2nd again. I always back it but its hard to keep the faith.

Lucky enough I had a feeling for Ghizao in the previous race. Got 15-2 on a Paul Nicholls horse, was delighted ;D Timmy gave it a very positive ride.
I think Menorah looks great EW value at 11-2 in the Greatwood.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 14, 2010, 02:17:08 PM
I rang in tharawaat e/w there,thought there were 6 horses running,then noticed only 5.He finished second,anyone know whats the story there will i get paid for the place or did it all go on the win because there were only 5?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 14, 2010, 02:22:06 PM
Another nice double there DH. You're on a roll!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on November 14, 2010, 02:23:34 PM
Yeah Cheers DH.  It was your comments that led me to do the realtduch, thegreatjohnbrowne and solwhit treble.  Keep 'em coming :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2010, 02:25:28 PM
A blind man could have picked that one. He should have been odds on on all known form - Donnas Palm and Voler La Vedette wouldn't get Hurricane Fly off the bridle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 14, 2010, 02:30:37 PM
Menorah wins at 6-1. Surely must have the Champion hurdle in its sights now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2010, 02:36:37 PM
He had to win a handicap off that mark to have a chance in a Champion Hurdle. Hobbs is a master at laying them out for these big handicap hurdles. He'll have to step up into conditions company now but he looks progressive.

Binocular will have it much harder this year I feel. Solwhit and Go Native didn't give their running last year for several reasons and hopefully Hurricane Fly will finally make it to Cheltenham - surely it won't be third time unlucky? Peddlers Cross, Dunguib and Rite Of Passage other possibles - roll on March!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 14, 2010, 02:55:17 PM
meade having a good day alright   ;D ;D ;D solwhit well impressive
Bishops Walk meant 2 be a machine in the bumper joe smooth was well backed on his debut but im hearing that bishops beat him by 10 lenghts in a schooling bumper a lot off money went on it this morning
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 14, 2010, 03:02:31 PM
When is Dunguib expected to make his seasonal re-appearance?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2010, 03:22:24 PM
Irish Champion Hurdle in January probably.

I'd love to see him tried over fences. The Arkle market looks very lifeless at the moment and maybe Dunguib will respect the bigger obstacles a bit more than he does his hurdles. The Arkle might not take much winning - the fact that both Celestial Halo and Medermit are still as short as 12/1 says it all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 14, 2010, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 14, 2010, 09:52:13 AM
Oscars Well ran well on it's debut lto so should come on well in the 3.25 today

Didn't disappoint  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 14, 2010, 07:48:06 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 14, 2010, 02:17:08 PM
I rang in tharawaat e/w there,thought there were 6 horses running,then noticed only 5.He finished second,anyone know whats the story there will i get paid for the place or did it all go on the win because there were only 5?

5,6 or 7 runners, second is placed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on November 14, 2010, 08:08:35 PM
Each Way Betting Terms

4 or less runners - win only
5-7 runners pays 1, 2 @ quarter odds
8+ runners on non-handicap race pays 1, 2, 3 @ fifth odds
8-11 runners on a handicap race pays 1, 2, 3 @ fifth odds
12-15 runners on a handicap race pays 1, 2, 3 @ quarter odds
16+ runners on a handicap race pays 1, 2, 3, 4 @ quarter odds
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 14, 2010, 08:50:54 PM
Cheers lads,for some reason i had thought there needed to be 6 runners but not so bad,small profit  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: twotwocharlie on November 14, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
Check out www.winonehundredthousand.ie for a good bet.
Great value for 20 stg/euro
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2010, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: twotwocharlie on November 14, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
Check out www.winonehundredthousand.ie for a good bet.
Great value for 20 stg/euro

When's it running?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 14, 2010, 10:51:46 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2010, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: twotwocharlie on November 14, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
Check out www.winonehundredthousand.ie for a good bet.
Great value for 20 stg/euro

When's it running?

The stable's in bad form having been restricted to Grade 2 competition in recent years while their more illustrious neighbours focus on the major prizes. Hardly a progressive sort.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 15, 2010, 03:38:28 PM
I see Johnny Murtagh is going to be riding all the Aga Khan horses next year.  So that will be any horses  trained by John Oxx and Mick Halford.

Will be as strong as ever so.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2010, 04:01:36 PM
He must be planning on sending a few proper yearlings over so. For the past few years it seemed like Du Royer Dupre was getting all his best stock. Oxx's record with his horses is fantastic - Sinndar, Alamshar, Azamour. Halford is a man on the up as Sheikh's Mohammed's patronage shows.

Big blow for Fran Berry. He might be tempted by Coolmore now. Oxx could split his string between Johnny and Ben Curtis who looks a great rider in the making.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 16, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
quel esprit and torpichen out in a begunners chase at limerick tomorrow, fancy quel esprit for the rsa or the new jewson chase later in the year, still have to be wary of mullins horses, zaidpour and blazing tempo were having their first runs for wmullins, slightly different to the rest of his cahrges who have been running poorly
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2010, 06:03:13 PM
I'd be very surprised if Torphicen was good enough to beat Quel Esprit no matter how forward he is. Quel Esprit was the one horse the Mullins' were looking most forward to last year. Patrick though he was a good thing for the Neptune. He has to repair his reputation after his run in the 3 miler but with hindsight, I think Willie will feel he shouldn't have let him run after his fall on the Wednesday. He's a far better animal than his hurdles mark suggests (1lb inferior to Torphicen). Torphicen is a flat bred and I personally like to avoid them over fences.

I reckon Zagman is the one horse to be on tomorrow. I put him up here e/w at a big price at Punchestown a few weeks back but like all good e/w bets, he came fourth. He ran very free that day so you'd assume he'll be better for that experience. I'd say Russell will be keen to get a bit of cover and he won't hit the front too soon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on November 17, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
I done Zagman DH and TBH with 2-3 out i thought he was cruising and a cert to win. However, it didn't win and gave a very unusual run in...what did you make of the last furlong? I'm not that big into the horses and you guys are the experts but i just got the feeling the jockey was holding it back...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 17, 2010, 03:37:27 PM
Quote from: illdecide on November 17, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
I done Zagman DH and TBH with 2-3 out i thought he was cruising and a cert to win. However, it didn't win and gave a very unusual run in...what did you make of the last furlong? I'm not that big into the horses and you guys are the experts but i just got the feeling the jockey was holding it back...

+1.

Jesus he was cruising  and just seem to stop!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2010, 03:38:57 PM
Quote from: illdecide on November 17, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
I done Zagman DH and TBH with 2-3 out i thought he was cruising and a cert to win. However, it didn't win and gave a very unusual run in...what did you make of the last furlong? I'm not that big into the horses and you guys are the experts but i just got the feeling the jockey was holding it back...

He just looks like a bit of a bridle horse to me (travels easily during the race but when the jock starts to row along and asks him to go and win his race, he finds nothing). He did something similar at Punchestown last time out. I had put that down to the fact that he pulled very hard early on that day and he lacked race fitness but I had obviously read the race wrong.

I won't be backing him again anyway unless it's a very weak contest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on November 17, 2010, 03:52:19 PM
Quel Esprit is 1/2 in a 16 runner beginners chase. Is he running against a herd of Aberdeen Angus?

Something's not right there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 17, 2010, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2010, 03:38:57 PM
Quote from: illdecide on November 17, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
I done Zagman DH and TBH with 2-3 out i thought he was cruising and a cert to win. However, it didn't win and gave a very unusual run in...what did you make of the last furlong? I'm not that big into the horses and you guys are the experts but i just got the feeling the jockey was holding it back...

He just looks like a bit of a bridle horse to me (travels easily during the race but when the jock starts to row along and asks him to go and win his race, he finds nothing). He did something similar at Punchestown last time out. I had put that down to the fact that he pulled very hard early on that day and he lacked race fitness but I had obviously read the race wrong.

I won't be backing him again anyway unless it's a very weak contest.

Good man Russell! 

Had a few pound on a treble with Zagman Quaquo De Flotte Quel Esprit  worked out about  17/2.  Would have been nice!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2010, 04:14:36 PM
Nice introduction for Quel Esprit anyway.

I think our staying novices are going to be quite strong this season - Jessies Dream, Thegreatjohnbrowne and now Quel Esprit have impressed and Mikael D'Haguenet, Arvika Liegeonaire, Fionnegas & Coole River are yet to run.

Didn't think much of some of the English stayers over the weekend. Chicago Grey looked to have them all cooked on Saturday when he fell at the second last and he's not even the best in Gordon Elliot's yard. Time For Rupert is overrated on the basis of one hurdles run and Tell Massini has temperament issues.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2010, 05:36:55 PM
Two horses interest me tomorrow at Thurles.

The Bull Hayes ran very well when just held on his hurdling debut at Naas. He was a well above average flat horse and he should be quite useful over timber if he can transfer his flat ability to the winter game. I wouldn't be a massive fan of young Leigh as a rider but he should be good enough against a weakish looking field. Mouse Morris has a 4yo full-brother to Kicking King in the race as well so he's well worth keeping an eye on for the future.

Ballyhaunis looked like he'd got his act together when sluicing up at Listowel. Willie sounded a bit concerned about the ground but that should help his undoubted stamina to become a factor.

Sizing Mexico is well worth a market check in the longer novice hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 17, 2010, 06:26:37 PM
Had a few pound on Zagman myself and went to the bookies to watch it,seen a gamble on the winner so decided id put a forecast on as well to cover myself-worked out just over 15/1-delighted!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 17, 2010, 08:51:02 PM
Donnelly as i didn't get a footy bet done tonight i shall have a small wager on them tommorrow for an interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 17, 2010, 09:00:10 PM
£30 double gets you just over 100 snoops

Bull Hayes 11/10

Ballyhaunis 8/13
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 18, 2010, 11:35:16 AM
looks like theres some value to be had in the favourite in the 3.30 at hereford..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 18, 2010, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on November 17, 2010, 09:00:10 PM
£30 double gets you just over 100 snoops

Bull Hayes 11/10

Ballyhaunis 8/13

Ballyhaunis now 6/4, might throw morning supreme in for the treble.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 18, 2010, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on November 18, 2010, 11:35:16 AM
looks like theres some value to be had in the favourite in the 3.30 at hereford..

Some laugh if he gets beat! 1/12 is ridiculous!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 18, 2010, 11:53:44 AM
Hollo ladies expected to win 1.40 market rasen!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2010, 12:06:03 PM
What was Zaynar when he was beaten at Kelso? 1/14 I think  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 18, 2010, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 18, 2010, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on November 17, 2010, 09:00:10 PM
£30 double gets you just over 100 snoops

Bull Hayes 11/10

Ballyhaunis 8/13

Ballyhaunis now 6/4, might throw morning supreme in for the treble.

Tadgh upsets the Bull Hayes at 25/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2010, 01:54:21 PM
Always up against it after that awful mistake down the back straight. Layed him off at that stage myself.

That O'Grady horse had absolutely abysmal bumper form. He's probably had a 50L+ turnaround with Eoin Griffin's horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on November 18, 2010, 02:22:46 PM
Ballyhanus wins ok...pity about the Bull Hayes ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 18, 2010, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2010, 12:06:03 PM
What was Zaynar when he was beaten at Kelso? 1/14 I think  :D

Yep - laid him!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on November 18, 2010, 06:53:21 PM
Raped again saan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 20, 2010, 10:29:52 AM
DH,  I see one of your previous fancies from a couple of weeks back out in the first at Gowran.  Romanesco.  Looks a bit of a step up but might be worth a look.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2010, 12:19:22 PM
He might struggle in that one. Looks a trappy little contest.

Forty Foot Tom e/w is my only bet at Gowran today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 20, 2010, 01:03:50 PM
Gonna try Devon Native in the 1.30 Ascot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on November 20, 2010, 01:53:53 PM
Unlucky Sammy.  You do it e/w?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 20, 2010, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on November 20, 2010, 01:53:53 PM
Unlucky Sammy.  You do it e/w?

At 12/1, you bet I did it each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 21, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
I think everything down to 3/1 (at least) should be backed e/w. At a quarter the odds, you'll get 87% of your stake back if your horse places.

If you're a good judge of a horse, you should back enough winners at those kind of prices to make a profit. It's all about minimising your losses. There's a reason the bookies despise e/w punters.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 21, 2010, 11:58:05 AM
Been told Eliot fancies brave beauty to win and eight ismy number e/w!He's got a few others running today too but heard nothing for them.Bacher boy seems overpriced at 14's? :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 21, 2010, 12:11:26 PM
All the money is for Meade's horse against Eight Is My Number. He beat one of Meade's in his bumper so they should have a decent gauge of how good he is.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 21, 2010, 01:53:32 PM
Poor Paddy Mangan had some fall there at Aintree.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on November 21, 2010, 01:54:35 PM
That race was pure carnage.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 21, 2010, 01:56:59 PM
Half a tonne of horse landed right on top of the poor lad. Hope he's ok.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 23, 2010, 06:50:22 PM
sad to see Fionnegas put down broke a shoulder
fairyhouse looking good for the weekend a lot of good horses entered
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 23, 2010, 08:29:22 PM
Cracking weekend in store. Hopefully Newbury and Newcastle won't be frozen off on Saturday.

A drop of rain would be perfect for Pandorama.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 24, 2010, 12:29:52 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 23, 2010, 08:29:22 PM
Cracking weekend in store. Hopefully Newbury and Newcastle won't be frozen off on Saturday.

A drop of rain would be perfect for Pandorama.

Heading over to United which kicks off 5 minutes before the Hennessy starts so I'd be happy enough to see it all refixed.

Carruthers was placed in the Gold Cup at Cheltenham and runs off bottom weight. Surely a decent each way shout at 14/1?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 24, 2010, 12:54:07 AM
i think pandorama and neptune collonges are both decent bets
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 24, 2010, 10:14:26 AM
Lord redsgirth e/w in 12.25 at naas
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2010, 12:55:58 PM
For me, the Hennessy revolves around which second season chaser has the most improvement in them. I think Pandorama still could be well in despite being a few lbs out of the handicap - China Rock who he beat last year off level weights is in the handicap proper. I'll be having a decent e/w punt on Pandorama and a small saver on Weird Al. I can't have Denman at all but he did prove me wrong last year.

Good to see Finians Rainbow out at Newbury tomorrow. I've yet to see a potential Arkle winning horse this season and I think this horse might be the one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 24, 2010, 02:11:09 PM
I can't oppose Denman. I did it last year and regretted it. Not sure if I'll back him yet, but will probably succumb to temptation. I don't like Pandorama being out of the handicap and I don't like his jumping in a test like this. If he decides to run down his fences he'll lose a good 30 lengths over course of the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2010, 03:07:34 PM
I'm not sure Pandorama's fencing will be that much of an issue going left-handed. He nearly ended up on Naas main street when he won his beginners at Punchestown but next time out at Fairyhouse he only jumped left at the final two fences. He jumped straight as a gun barrel to my eyes when he went left-handed  for the first time (over fences) at Leopardstown.

Being out of the handicap wouldn't really bother me. He's essentially going to be running off 154 which is a very fair (and hopefully lenient!) mark. On a line through Weapons Amnesty he's better than the likes of Burton Port and Diamond Harry yet the handicapper disagrees. My only concern is Carberry's availability (not down to ride at Thurles tomorrow). Condon is an able deputy and I think he's able to do 10 stone but I'd prefer if Carberry was on board.

I'd be amazed if Denman can win this off a mark of 182. I can't believe for a second he ran to that mark at Cheltenham. He's going to be off a mark 8lbs higer than last year - this is a better renewal on paper and he won't have Walsh in the saddle this time which was probably worth about 4 or 5lbs to him. He's only won 1 race out of 7 since winning the Gold Cup and looked like he has his own ideas about the game now at both Newbury in February and Punchestown in April. If there's a Long Run-esque big Saturday gamble on him I might be tempted to lay him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on November 25, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
Any fancies today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 25, 2010, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2010, 03:07:34 PM
I'm not sure Pandorama's fencing will be that much of an issue going left-handed. He nearly ended up on Naas main street when he won his beginners at Punchestown but next time out at Fairyhouse he only jumped left at the final two fences. He jumped straight as a gun barrel to my eyes when he went left-handed  for the first time (over fences) at Leopardstown.

Being out of the handicap wouldn't really bother me. He's essentially going to be running off 154 which is a very fair (and hopefully lenient!) mark. On a line through Weapons Amnesty he's better than the likes of Burton Port and Diamond Harry yet the handicapper disagrees. My only concern is Carberry's availability (not down to ride at Thurles tomorrow). Condon is an able deputy and I think he's able to do 10 stone but I'd prefer if Carberry was on board.

I'd be amazed if Denman can win this off a mark of 182. I can't believe for a second he ran to that mark at Cheltenham. He's going to be off a mark 8lbs higer than last year - this is a better renewal on paper and he won't have Walsh in the saddle this time which was probably worth about 4 or 5lbs to him. He's only won 1 race out of 7 since winning the Gold Cup and looked like he has his own ideas about the game now at both Newbury in February and Punchestown in April. If there's a Long Run-esque big Saturday gamble on him I might be tempted to lay him.

I don't see how that logic can really be faulted. Effectively Denman's supporters are asking us to believe that a horse who has won a race once in the past 2 season can beat a handful of very decent chasers including a horse who finished 4th in the Gold Cup whilst giving each of them a 2 stone weight advantage.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 25, 2010, 12:18:02 PM
China Rock declared for Hennessy . 999/1 a few hours ago .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 25, 2010, 12:19:54 PM
lot of short priced favs today, im gonna make a fortune 8) 8) 8) 8) :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2010, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: Joxer on November 25, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
Any fancies today DH?

Not today. That Thurles card is pure muck.

I've had a small investment on Finians Rainbow for the Arkle so I'm looking forward to seeing him run. Hopefully I'll have the option of trading out at a shorter price post-race.

I see the RTÉ website has a stream of the Newbury card today. I don't think they're showing Fairyhouse on Sunday though which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 25, 2010, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2010, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: Joxer on November 25, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
Any fancies today DH?

Not today. That Thurles card is pure muck.

I've had a small investment on Finians Rainbow for the Arkle so I'm looking forward to seeing him run. Hopefully I'll have the option of trading out at a shorter price post-race.

I see the RTÉ website has a stream of the Newbury card today. I don't think they're showing Fairyhouse on Sunday though which is ridiculous.

not for us brits, pity. i have ATR.

todays donkeys: Minnie Hill, bellflower boy, silent joe, abbondanza.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2010, 12:48:24 PM
I've had a small investment on Finians Rainbow for the Arkle so I'm looking forward to seeing him run. Hopefully I'll have the option of trading out at a shorter price post-race.

Delighted with that performance. Should be favourite for the Arkle now.

Ground looks like it's riding fairly quick though which is bad news for Pandorama.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 25, 2010, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2010, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: Joxer on November 25, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
Any fancies today DH?

Not today. That Thurles card is pure muck.

I've had a small investment on Finians Rainbow for the Arkle so I'm looking forward to seeing him run. Hopefully I'll have the option of trading out at a shorter price post-race.

I see the RTÉ website has a stream of the Newbury card today. I don't think they're showing Fairyhouse on Sunday though which is ridiculous.

ya shud be going 2 fairyhouse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 26, 2010, 12:30:08 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on November 25, 2010, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2010, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: Joxer on November 25, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
Any fancies today DH?

Not today. That Thurles card is pure muck.

I've had a small investment on Finians Rainbow for the Arkle so I'm looking forward to seeing him run. Hopefully I'll have the option of trading out at a shorter price post-race.

I see the RTÉ website has a stream of the Newbury card today. I don't think they're showing Fairyhouse on Sunday though which is ridiculous.

ya shud be going 2 fairyhouse

I'll be heading up to it alright provided the roads aren't icy in the morning.

It's still bad form from RTÉ to subtly drop this from their schedule just like they did with the Thyestes and the Irish Champion Stakes. This is the best days NH racing in Ireland apart from the two big festivals - Leopardstown (Christmas) and Punchestown (April). I don't think there's another card this side of Cheltenham in either Britain or Ireland that has three Grade 1s on it.

ATR do a good job with their resources but there's only so many ad breaks you can put up with and there's always some crap card from the bucket and sand tracks over in England that clashes with the big races. RTÉ will still show 4 days of dross from Galway and will tell us how it's the Irish Cheltenham! Give the covergae to TG4 who will do it justice. Their coverage of Listowel is excellent every year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 27, 2010, 11:34:52 AM
Tocca Ferro in the 2pm @ Newbury will be my bet of the day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on November 27, 2010, 11:55:11 AM
Denman out to 11/2 now.  Worth a punt lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 27, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
Fairyhouse off  ::)

You'd think HRI would have invested in a few frost covers by now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 27, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 27, 2010, 11:34:52 AM
Tocca Ferro in the 2pm @ Newbury will be my bet of the day

this horse is the real deal lads  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on November 27, 2010, 03:05:29 PM
Gona say it now denmans day lads,hope yous are all on,happy xmas to all
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on November 27, 2010, 03:11:43 PM
Pandora pulled up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 27, 2010, 03:17:56 PM
Great effort by Denman, but Ch4 would sicken you with their hyping of the Nicholls horses - it's not about the winner but about Denman's "glorious failure". There are other horses in the race lads. A pity we didn't get to see Pandorama compete after he was taken out of it early.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 27, 2010, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: Hardy on November 27, 2010, 03:17:56 PM
Great effort by Denman, but Ch4 would sicken you with their hyping of the Nicholls horses - it's not about the winner but about Denman's "glorious failure". There are other horses in the race lads. A pity we didn't get to see Pandorama compete after he was taken out of it early.

Agreed. The montage with Arkle was fairly nauseating. The Racing Post are the same when it comes to Nicholls.

Pandorama got no luck at all. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes and beats Diamond Harry in the Lexus.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 27, 2010, 03:33:18 PM
Ruby's just come out with one that'll make those lists of head-shaker commentators' comments - "a horse that's going forward is easier to ride than a horse that's going backwards".
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 27, 2010, 03:42:13 PM
Ted-esque

(http://estb.msn.com/i/B2/5D84551D6FC6E9666CC9447D3C.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 29, 2010, 12:09:20 PM
Very little chance of racing going ahead at Fairyhouse on Thursday.

Hopefully the thaw comes before Punchestown on Sunday. They could reschedule the three Grade 1s onto that card along with the John Durkan. I'd say Sandown this weekend is odds against to race as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 29, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
word for indian wish at Wolverhampton. 3/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 29, 2010, 04:24:02 PM
Spencer needs shot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 30, 2010, 11:04:01 PM
well done to emmet butterly today in linfield 50s into 11/4 and wins easy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 30, 2010, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on November 30, 2010, 11:04:01 PM
well done to emmet butterly today in linfield 50s into 11/4 and wins easy

Great little rider a few years ago when he was with Halford and Meade. Thought he was destined for great things.

Good to see him making a decent fist of the training game. He must be in his early 20s only?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 30, 2010, 11:35:32 PM
Have any of you lads done "the jumps" in William Hill and the Mirror? Picked my stable on Saturday and just registered online tonight, should be a bit of interest over next few months
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 30, 2010, 11:47:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 30, 2010, 11:35:32 PM
Have any of you lads done "the jumps" in William Hill and the Mirror? Picked my stable on Saturday and just registered online tonight, should be a bit of interest over next few months

Had a look at it there. Whoever researched their list has had a shocker. An Cathaoir Mór, Citizen Vic, Fionnegas, Me Voici, Schindlers Hunt and Tell Massini are all gone to horsey heaven.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 30, 2010, 11:55:45 PM
To be fair to the bloke in William Hill he pointed most of those horses out to me on Saturday! Suppose it's part of the skill involved - don't pick a dead horse!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2010, 02:44:11 PM
No chance of the John Durkan going ahead this weekend I'd say. Looks like the Tingle Creek won't be on either.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: vav on December 01, 2010, 07:18:12 PM
What do ye reckon the odds are of Dundalk getting cancelled on Friday night?

I know it's an all weather track but I'm secretly hoping with the hazardous road conditions it'll be cancelled so I can have the night off!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on December 08, 2010, 01:25:36 PM
Any fancies today lads?  Nothing sticking out for me at all
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 08, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
MacTiernan in the 3.30 at Dundalk.  Great Each Way shot at least at 7/1.

Also like the price on Major Vicotry in the 3.20 at Kempton.  Again E/W at 16's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on December 09, 2010, 06:14:03 PM
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/JoesExile/DSC_4679.jpg)

And the snow covered Cooley Mountains in the background  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 10, 2010, 11:26:31 AM
Stats say the winner of today's listed handicap at Cheltenham (2:25) should come from Faasel, Midnight Chase, Horner Woods, Knockara Beau and Beat the Boys. I'm going with Faasel at 11 on Betfair, with small each ways on Knockara Beau and Beat the Boys at 21/22.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 10, 2010, 11:53:36 AM
Stats is stats Hardy, but if Neptune Collonges is fit and well he'd carry them all around his back.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2010, 12:28:50 PM
I've never forgiven Faasel for throwing away the 2005 Triumph Hurdle. I'd followed him since he beat the mighty Alexander Goldrun in a nursery at Listowel and I had a big antepost bet on him at a huge price for Cheltenham. I was already counting my winnings as he jumped the last flight.  :'(

Great to have proper racing back. I'll give Reve De Sivola another chance in the first w/o the fav. Have a feeling the trip will be too short for Al Ferof in the last so I'll be looking at Henderson's horse. Magnier gave him a shocker at the Curragh so I wouldn't read too much into that form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 10, 2010, 12:29:03 PM
Dundalk Tonight:

Casela Park great E/W value at 8/1 in the 8.00

Mark Johnstons horse Herostatus in the last currently and 5/2 with the only real danger in the race coming from Redera and Dark Prospect  IMO
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2010, 12:46:13 PM
Great ride from Jacob.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 10, 2010, 02:33:10 PM
Can't bate a Meathman in a tight finish!
(Barry, I mean).

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on December 10, 2010, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2010, 12:28:50 PM
I've never forgiven Faasel for throwing away the 2005 Triumph Hurdle. I'd followed him since he beat the mighty Alexander Goldrun in a nursery at Listowel and I had a big antepost bet on him at a huge price for Cheltenham. I was already counting my winnings as he jumped the last flight.  :'(


Faasel got put on on here at the time by along gone poster called Homeofhurling at 33s . I had a good cut at the same beast that year too. A dog of a horse if ever there was one.

Fine card at Cheltenham tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 10, 2010, 03:32:44 PM
He didn't seem to want to know today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 10, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2010, 12:28:50 PM
I've never forgiven Faasel for throwing away the 2005 Triumph Hurdle. I'd followed him since he beat the mighty Alexander Goldrun in a nursery at Listowel and I had a big antepost bet on him at a huge price for Cheltenham. I was already counting my winnings as he jumped the last flight.  :'(

Great to have proper racing back. I'll give Reve De Sivola another chance in the first w/o the fav. Have a feeling the trip will be too short for Al Ferof in the last so I'll be looking at Henderson's horse. Magnier gave him a shocker at the Curragh so I wouldn't read too much into that form.

Correct... ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2010, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on December 10, 2010, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2010, 12:28:50 PM
I've never forgiven Faasel for throwing away the 2005 Triumph Hurdle. I'd followed him since he beat the mighty Alexander Goldrun in a nursery at Listowel and I had a big antepost bet on him at a huge price for Cheltenham. I was already counting my winnings as he jumped the last flight.  :'(


Faasel got put on on here at the time by along gone poster called Homeofhurling at 33s . I had a good cut at the same beast that year too. A dog of a horse if ever there was one.

Fine card at Cheltenham tomorrow.

Pure hound of a thing is right. Thankfully Kicking King and Fota Island landed some bets later that day to erase the memory of Faasel throwing his head up in the air after the last.

Good day on the punting front today but the card tomorrow looks difficult. I don't really trust Master Minded so I won't be having a bet in the Tingle Creek. The Bula should be very informative but it's not a race to have a punt in. Hard to fancy Cue Card at the price given his inexperience and Dunraven Storm's subsequent flop at Haydock. Menorah might not get the strong pace he needs and I don't think the form of the Nicholls horse it up to much. The handicap is very interesting. I was really taken with Psycho at Naas and he has plenty of experience of competitive handicaps from his hurdling days. I reckon he's a bit soft but he's worth a market check given who he's trained by! I'll be having a small e/w play on Noble Alan who is unexposed at the trip.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on December 10, 2010, 08:39:36 PM
Noble Alan is on my list too. Also Kalahari King ew in Tingle Creek and probably Sentry Duty ew in the Relkeel.

Big day for Noel Fehily . I hope he isnt rushing himself back.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2010, 09:31:50 PM
Apprentice title shared - Gary Carroll, Ben Curtis, Joseph O'Brien all on 39 winners.

Gary Carroll will be sick. Just got pipped on the line in the final race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 10, 2010, 09:42:14 PM
Great entertainment it was and an exciting finish to the season. Good coverage by ATR, who usually behave like a troop of clowns, but their Irish presenters are good lads and did a great job tonight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 11, 2010, 02:04:06 PM
Noel Fehily made Ruby's job look wild easy there now on Masterminded.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 11, 2010, 02:08:20 PM
Some performance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 02:21:33 PM
I still reckon he's a bit of a flash harry who will struggle if something gets him at it. 6/4 for March with Big Zeb at 9/2 is laughable. It doesn't take a formbook genius to work out which one of them is better value.

Some really ridiculous antepost quotes today. Time For Rupert at 4s for the RSA after beating Chicago Grey 8L? The Triumph favourite already as short as 9/2 before Christmas? Spineless bookies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 11, 2010, 03:11:05 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 03:20:07 PM
This Champion Hurdle could be something else. Binocular, Peddlers Cross, Menorah, Solwhit, Hurricane Fly, Go Native, Dunguib?

Mouthwatering.

Presume Cue Card will drop back to novice company now. I'd be a bit disappointed that Clerks Choice finished so close to him. It'll be interesting to see how Zaidpour performs during the week. He could be the value back-to-lay now in both the novice events at the festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2010, 03:35:31 PM
Thought it was crazy for Cue Card to have been favourite for so long against the reigning Novice champion. Landed Menorah at 5/2 15 minutes before the race with Paddy Power so delighted with that.  ;D

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 04:01:35 PM
He was a brilliant bumper winner but I have a feeling that was one of the worst Champion Bumper fields ever. He travelled beautifully today but didn't really find as much as you'd expect and his head carriage looked a bit questionable. I wouldn't be breaking down the door of the bookies to back him for the novice races.

I really like Menorah but I'm not sure he justifys favouratism for March now. Cue Card had only two prior hurdling runs before today and Silviniaco Conte had only three. That will be very difficult form to weigh up. It was also a muddling enough race because they just completely ignored the pacemaker. You have to ask yourself would Peddlers Cross, Solwhit or Hurricane Fly have won that race today? I'm sure they would have.

I must be stone mad but Dunguib at 20s is starting to tempt me! Hurricane Fly could make sh1te of all of them if he turns up but that is a massive if because he appears to be made of glass.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2010, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 04:01:35 PM
He was a brilliant bumper winner but I have a feeling that was one of the worst Champion Bumper fields ever. He travelled beautifully today but didn't really find as much as you'd expect and his head carriage looked a bit questionable. I wouldn't be breaking down the door of the bookies to back him for the novice races.

I really like Menorah but I'm not sure he justifys favouratism for March now. Cue Card had only two prior hurdling runs before today and Silviniaco Conte had only three. That will be very difficult form to weigh up. It was also a muddling enough race because they just completely ignored the pacemaker. You have to ask yourself would Peddlers Cross, Solwhit or Hurricane Fly have won that race today? I'm sure they would have.

I must be stone mad but Dunguib at 20s is starting to tempt me! Hurricane Fly could make sh1te of all of them if he turns up but that is a massive if because he appears to be made of glass.

You are stone mad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 11, 2010, 05:00:00 PM
Great day punting today and racing. Had poquelin at 22/1, Mossley @4/1 and of course the magnificent masterminded. Thought geraghty had got mossley caught out but just pulled enough out. It travelled like a gem
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2010, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 04:01:35 PM
He was a brilliant bumper winner but I have a feeling that was one of the worst Champion Bumper fields ever. He travelled beautifully today but didn't really find as much as you'd expect and his head carriage looked a bit questionable. I wouldn't be breaking down the door of the bookies to back him for the novice races.

I really like Menorah but I'm not sure he justifys favouratism for March now. Cue Card had only two prior hurdling runs before today and Silviniaco Conte had only three. That will be very difficult form to weigh up. It was also a muddling enough race because they just completely ignored the pacemaker. You have to ask yourself would Peddlers Cross, Solwhit or Hurricane Fly have won that race today? I'm sure they would have.

I must be stone mad but Dunguib at 20s is starting to tempt me! Hurricane Fly could make sh1te of all of them if he turns up but that is a massive if because he appears to be made of glass.

You are stone mad.

Beaten less than 2L by Menorah in the Supreme when ridden wrong. If they go back to the tactics that made him the best bumper winner since Montelado, it's not beyond the realms of possibilty that he can turn that form around. Ride him handier and give him a kick in the belly half a mile out. He is a Presenting so he should have abundant stamina. Why they tried to ride him like a speed horse, I don't know.

If he was to run well next month at Leopardstown he'll be a lot shorter than 20/1 and you'd be able to trade out at a shorter price. I'll wait till after the two trials at Christmas before I consider backing him but Menorah at 5s and Dunguib at 20s isn't right. If I was pricing it up now I'd have Menorah at about 8s and Dunguib at 14s. I doubt Menorah will still be favourite by New Years Day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2010, 06:46:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2010, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 04:01:35 PM
He was a brilliant bumper winner but I have a feeling that was one of the worst Champion Bumper fields ever. He travelled beautifully today but didn't really find as much as you'd expect and his head carriage looked a bit questionable. I wouldn't be breaking down the door of the bookies to back him for the novice races.

I really like Menorah but I'm not sure he justifys favouratism for March now. Cue Card had only two prior hurdling runs before today and Silviniaco Conte had only three. That will be very difficult form to weigh up. It was also a muddling enough race because they just completely ignored the pacemaker. You have to ask yourself would Peddlers Cross, Solwhit or Hurricane Fly have won that race today? I'm sure they would have.

I must be stone mad but Dunguib at 20s is starting to tempt me! Hurricane Fly could make sh1te of all of them if he turns up but that is a massive if because he appears to be made of glass.

You are stone mad.

Beaten less than 2L by Menorah in the Supreme when ridden wrong. If they go back to the tactics that made him the best bumper winner since Montelado, it's not beyond the realms of possibilty that he can turn that form around. Ride him handier and give him a kick in the belly half a mile out. He is a Presenting so he should have abundant stamina. Why they tried to ride him like a speed horse, I don't know.

If he was to run well next month at Leopardstown he'll be a lot shorter than 20/1 and you'd be able to trade out at a shorter price. I'll wait till after the two trials at Christmas before I consider backing him but Menorah at 5s and Dunguib at 20s isn't right. If I was pricing it up now I'd have Menorah at about 8s and Dunguib at 14s. I doubt Menorah will still be favourite by New Years Day.

I don't realy disagree with any of what you say (given the manner in which your knowledge of the game vastly outweighs my own I'd be foolish to) but surely having a punt on Kybher Kim or Solwhit at 16s is a better option than a horse beaten on his last two starts and without a run yet this season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2010, 06:46:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2010, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 04:01:35 PM
He was a brilliant bumper winner but I have a feeling that was one of the worst Champion Bumper fields ever. He travelled beautifully today but didn't really find as much as you'd expect and his head carriage looked a bit questionable. I wouldn't be breaking down the door of the bookies to back him for the novice races.

I really like Menorah but I'm not sure he justifys favouratism for March now. Cue Card had only two prior hurdling runs before today and Silviniaco Conte had only three. That will be very difficult form to weigh up. It was also a muddling enough race because they just completely ignored the pacemaker. You have to ask yourself would Peddlers Cross, Solwhit or Hurricane Fly have won that race today? I'm sure they would have.

I must be stone mad but Dunguib at 20s is starting to tempt me! Hurricane Fly could make sh1te of all of them if he turns up but that is a massive if because he appears to be made of glass.

You are stone mad.

Beaten less than 2L by Menorah in the Supreme when ridden wrong. If they go back to the tactics that made him the best bumper winner since Montelado, it's not beyond the realms of possibilty that he can turn that form around. Ride him handier and give him a kick in the belly half a mile out. He is a Presenting so he should have abundant stamina. Why they tried to ride him like a speed horse, I don't know.

If he was to run well next month at Leopardstown he'll be a lot shorter than 20/1 and you'd be able to trade out at a shorter price. I'll wait till after the two trials at Christmas before I consider backing him but Menorah at 5s and Dunguib at 20s isn't right. If I was pricing it up now I'd have Menorah at about 8s and Dunguib at 14s. I doubt Menorah will still be favourite by New Years Day.

I don't realy disagree with any of what you say (given the manner in which your knowledge of the game vastly outweighs my own I'd be foolish to) but surely having a punt on Kybher Kim or Solwhit at 16s is a better option than a horse beaten on his last two starts and without a run yet this season.

Khyber Kim I couldn't really have on my mind. Don't rate the horse personally and think it was flattered to get as close as he did last year. I can't see how he'll go one better in what looks on paper to be a better renewal this season (if they all get there).

Solwhit is the equine equivalent of Ronseal. He does what it says on the tin. Byrnes' quotes put me off him though (maybe that's his plan!): "We will not be targeting him specifically at Cheltenham, and will go for all the Grade 1's like Leopardstown at Christmas and the Irish Champion back there"

Dunguib not having a run so far this season might be a good thing. Fenton is clearly trying to campaign him with one day in mind - unlike Byrnes with Solwhit. He possibly went off the boil last year because he'd been on the go since October. He'll go there this year a bit fresher and hopefully with more positive tactics. He wouldn't be my idea of the winner at this stage but at 20/1 I think he's the value in the market. A good round of jumping at either Leopardstown in January or Gowran in February and he'll be half that price.

Jesus, I can't believe I'm actually talking myself into this!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 11, 2010, 08:36:47 PM
discounting kyber kim is not a wise move in my view, i didnt rate him going into last years festival but he's moved well clear of the field to finish 2nd and tehn comofrtably won the aintree hurdle, form has to be taken seriously. I think go native is value as well, fair enough is not as good as hurricane fly but went into last years renewal as favourite and like dunguib will be half the price after a decent run
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2010, 08:51:45 PM
I'd lay Khyber Kim till the cows come home. He's exposed and only won 6 races from 21 lifetime starts both on the flat and over jumps. He was flattered to finish where he did last year a bit like Crack Away Jack the previous year. That was the only time he's got in the frame in three runs at the festival - he was stuffed when fancied in Captain Cee Bee's Supreme Novice and he was well down the field in the County Hurdle in '09. He won well at Liverpool last year but Celestial Halo was tanking along when he came down and I think he'd have bolted up.

I can't have him improving as a 9yo to beat what could potentially be the best Champion Hurdle field since 2005. Twiston-Davies and Paddy Brennan can talk all they like about how he's a Ferrari on the gallops at home. He hasn't a prayer in this season's Champion Hurdle.

Fancy Riverside Theatre to win the Peterborough Chase tomorrow at Huntingdon. 5/2 looks a decent enough price to me. I can't see that moody pig Twist Magic staying this trip.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on December 11, 2010, 09:09:53 PM
I backed Peddlers Cross during the summer for Champion but you have to respect Menorah's Cheltenham form. Still think Bino will be one to beat FWIW ( and my opinion on horses has had negative worth lately).

Nicholls horses absolutely flying so wouldnt write off Twist Magic tomorrow. Probably worth waiting to bet in running though.

Agree with DH about Big Zeb ...the champion chase is set up to be best contest since Moscow's last victory.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2010, 01:59:27 PM
Four Grade 1s, a Grade 2 and a Grade 3 on tomorrow's card at Fairyhouse.

I'm thinking of pulling a sickie!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 14, 2010, 06:02:45 PM
horses i like for tomorrow: Toner Doudairi, zaidpour, summit meeting and mourad ew, will hurricane flu stay the extra four furlongs? final approach, roberto golback ew, berties dream 20/1? has to be a laugh, zaarito if you can get one of ppowers faller insurance bets, romanesco
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2010, 06:39:15 PM
Hurricane Fly won over 2m4 in heavy ground at Auteuil so he does stay the trip. He might be in trouble if he doesn't settle and pulls Townend's arms out like he did in the Morgiana last year though. I'd prefer Solwhit to win the race but he's a skimpy enough price. No bet race for me.

This Zaidpour thing is supposed to be catching pigeons on the gallops down in Carlow so I'd expect him to go off odds on. Micky D on hurdles ratings looks a good thing but he's been off for too long to make him a betting proposition at a short price. Jessies Dream w/o the fav looks the bet. Disappointing that Captain Cee Bee and The Nightingale were taken out of the Durkan. J'y Vole at 13/2 looks a smashing price. Can't see her being out of the first three. Golden Silver with the run under his belt should be far too good in the Hilly Way even with his Grade 1 weight penalty.

Absolutely mouth watering racing in prospect. The best card in Ireland for years and RTÉ can't be arsed sending Bob Hall, Ted and a few cameras down to it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on December 14, 2010, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2010, 01:59:27 PM
Four Grade 1s, a Grade 2 and a Grade 3 on tomorrow's card at Fairyhouse.

I'm thinking of pulling a sickie!  ;)

so am i  :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 15, 2010, 09:54:27 AM
DH,  See one of your picks before Romanesco is running in the last today.  Looked a great hopres in previous outings and surely will go close today.  Another eyecatcher in the race is PEak Raider with Nina on it.  Won very well about a month or so ago and will surely go close again!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 15, 2010, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: Joxer on December 15, 2010, 09:54:27 AM
DH,  See one of your picks before Romanesco is running in the last today.  Looked a great hopres in previous outings and surely will go close today.  Another eyecatcher in the race is PEak Raider with Nina on it.  Won very well about a month or so ago and will surely go close again!

I'm not sure Romanesco jumps well enough for a competitive handicap like this Joxer. Drop back in trip should suit though.

Knocknabooly looks very interesting but he's clearly had massive problems. Only ran 8 times since he ran behind Tommy Cooper's good mare in the 2004 Cheltenham bumper.  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Olly on December 15, 2010, 11:00:34 AM
There's a horse running today called Walden Prince in the first race at a Fairyhouse. It has never ran a race before but I really fancy it. It is only three years old two which seems a bit young but these animals can work up one hell of a gallop after 3-4 months of life. It's about 50-1 but has no form at all. I like it though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 15, 2010, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 15, 2010, 10:46:40 AM
Toner doudairies win,jessies dream e/w and carthalawn e/w ive been told are worth a bet  ;)!I dont think ill be backing carthalawn so thats probably the 1 to go with!Ill be delting this in about a half hour so if you check later and it's gone i didnt  just delete it becaue they lost :D

Looked handy enough now! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 15, 2010, 12:09:04 PM
Toner Doudairi wins the first at 8/11 fav.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 15, 2010, 01:06:03 PM
Hurricane Fly beats Solhwit.

Bollocks!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 15, 2010, 03:23:07 PM
Just heard that Top of The Rock is worth an each way punt in the last. 12/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 15, 2010, 03:25:06 PM
Golden Silver looked very comfortable in winning at Fairyhouse. Must be a lively Champion Chase outsider. Twist Magic crashed when looking to have the race well in hand.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 15, 2010, 03:27:39 PM
Your on fire today DH!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 15, 2010, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: Joxer on December 15, 2010, 09:54:27 AM
DH,  See one of your picks before Romanesco is running in the last today.  Looked a great hopres in previous outings and surely will go close today.  Another eyecatcher in the race is Peak Raider with Nina on it.  Won very well about a month or so ago and will surely go close again!

Delivered well again today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 15, 2010, 04:23:36 PM
Where do you start after all of that?

Zaidpour looks a serious tool. I loved the confidence Townend had in him. He didn't move a muscle even when the horse clattered the second last. I'm not sure there was too much in behind him but he ranks up there with the previous novices to have won this race - Istabraq, Mosow Flyer, Hardy Eustace, Newmill, Hurricane Fly & Dunguib. Could be a hell of race if Tizzard sees sense and keeps Cue Card to novice company.

I think Hurricane Fly is nailed on for the Champion Hurdle - if he makes it! Surely it won't be third time unlucky? That was an awesome performance. Trip and ground weren't ideal and he still picked up a high class and race fit horse in Solwhit easily. Townend was just slapping him down the shoulder after the last and he was well on top by the line. The turn of foot he has would remind you of Istabraq. I can't see anything living with him come March. Fingers crossed he gets there.

The John Durkan was a bit disappointing because they crawled for two miles. Tranquil Sea just outspeeded the rest of them after the second last. J'y Vole was given a curious ride. I thought personally Condon overdid the waiting tactics. Cooldine looks the horse to take out of the race. He wasn't right at any stage last year but looked back to somewhere near his best today. He settled and jumped very well and a lack of race fitness and speed beat him. I'd make him a warm order stepping up in trip for the Lexus.

Mikael D'Haguenet looked to have the race in the bag coming to the last which is very encouraging given his 594 days off the track. I thought he jumped quite well and travelled with plenty of enthusiasm. Looked like he jumped the last perfectly well but just didn't get the landing gear out quick enough. Hopefully Willie will run him in a school round in a beginners chase somewhere now before having a look at either the Baileys Arkle or the PJ Moriarty. Looking forward to March - it wouldn't surprise me if he went for the Arkle rather than the RSA. He travelled as if two miles would be no problem and the yard already have a ready made RSA horse in Quel Esprit. Jessies Dream himself is a very good horse and will take some beating in the Feltham at Kempton.

Golden Silver would remind you of Nickname. I couldn't see him being a Champion Chase candidate given his preference for soft ground but he'd be very interesting in the Ryanair where he wouldn't have the gun to his head the whole time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on December 15, 2010, 04:39:18 PM
Sad to hear the Twist Magic had to be put down after its fall today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 19, 2010, 11:35:43 PM
congrats to ap, got 220,000 votes more than the rest
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 20, 2010, 08:06:42 PM
9/4 golden silver looks a lay for the 'paddy power dial a bet chase' on the 27th, zeb 6/4 and j'y vole 8/1ew. 11/4 captain ceebee looks short enough too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 20, 2010, 09:36:13 PM
Classy entries both at Leopardstown and down at Limerick. Hopefully the thaw will come beforehand. Leopardstown should be ok but Limerick could be dodgy.

I see Arthur Moore has John Oxx's good filly What A Charm now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 22, 2010, 08:03:03 PM
The documentary following Paul Nolan's horses is being shown again tonight at 11.20 on RTÉ 1. Fascinating programme for anyone that missed it first time round last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2010, 02:14:53 PM
Kempton tomorrow is gone. Any hope for Leopardstown?

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/12/26/manual_135303.html

This weather is really taking the piss now.  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2010, 02:35:05 PM
I'd say Leopardstown will be lucky to get two days in. Got to love HRI's attitude. Get the rosary beads out and hope for the best. Everyone knew this weather was coming yet there isn't a cover in sight on the track. Most of the Grade 1 tracks in Ireland are within a fifty mile radius of each other (Leopardstown, Punchestown, Navan, Fairyhouse). Surely HRI could have invested in one set of covers between the lot of them during the boom years? Sickening to think that Brian Kavanagh was picking up his €85,000 bonus in 2008 & 2009 and now we see this farce going on.

Looks like the King George won't be on until the 15 January now!  :o

Would it not make more sense to run it at Newbury or Cheltenham later this week?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 26, 2010, 02:49:26 PM
DH, this weather snap has seen the cancellation of every major fixture, and most all weather fixtures in the UK, yet you still want to hold the HRI responsible for Leopardstown not making it? Catch a grip man. There are some things in this world that aren't actually the fault of administrators.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 26, 2010, 02:49:26 PM
DH, this weather snap has seen the cancellation of every major fixture, and most all weather fixtures in the UK, yet you still want to hold the HRI responsible for Leopardstown not making it? Catch a grip man. There are some things in this world that aren't actually the fault of administrators.

I don't think that criticism of DH is really fair. All he is saying is that facilities which appear to be readily available for English tracks (i.e. racing covers) should also be at the disposal of the leading tracks in Ireland. That's a fair point to make surely though obviously there would have been many cancellations in any case due to the inclement weather conditions.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2010, 04:01:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 26, 2010, 02:49:26 PM
DH, this weather snap has seen the cancellation of every major fixture, and most all weather fixtures in the UK, yet you still want to hold the HRI responsible for Leopardstown not making it? Catch a grip man. There are some things in this world that aren't actually the fault of administrators.

Of course it's freakish weather and we'd have little chance of racing anyway but it still does not excuse the lack of frost covers in this country. When you consider the amount of money that was ploughed into racing during the last ten years the set up at most tracks is still farcical - medical facilities, catering facilities, saunas, covers etc. Have a read of Ruby's book to see how far behind the UK we are over here.

There are jobs at stake here. Leopardstown like all other tracks would have an extensive groundstaff employed. I read during the week that this meeting alone makes up half of the track's annual revenue so it's not looking good for them. Small yards are struggling big time to keep their heads above water and I'm sure most jockeys are struggling. It's grand for the likes of Walsh, Geraghty and Carberry but for the journeyman jockey I'm sure this month has been a disaster. There's only been four days racing in the past five weeks so these lads aren't earning their riding fees. Mallow was raceable for most of the past month yet there was no effort to put on a few extra meetings there. Similarly, I'm sure a few all-bumper cards could have been tried at Dundalk.

HRI are an absolute joke. Kavanagh is laughing all the way to the bank with his 'performance related' bonuses while all the small yards up and down the country are barely keeping themselves going.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Abble on December 26, 2010, 07:13:57 PM
whats the state of affairs for tomorrows racing til i get out for some pints ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2010, 09:08:06 PM
Quote from: Abble on December 26, 2010, 07:13:57 PM
whats the state of affairs for tomorrows racing til i get out for some pints ?

Nothing but an All Weather card at Southwell

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Meetings/0,12496,26-12-2010%5E1,00.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 28, 2010, 01:30:58 PM
No tips just thank fook something is on. On Geraghty here @12's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 28, 2010, 03:04:40 PM
Tipping up to Leopardstown tomoro!Any winners for me?DH i'm looking at you!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 28, 2010, 03:36:46 PM
I've had more success at Limerick than I have had at Leopardstown today. I'd say Leopardstown is bordering on unraceable. Most horses are walking up the home straight. Great to see Pandorama back to form all the same.

The Hurricane Fly / Zaidpour double will be popular but it could be skinny enough in that ground even though both of them should handle it grand. The Big Zeb / Golden Silver / Captain Cee Bee race could turn into a tactical affair. I wouldn't like to have a bet in that without knowing if Scotsirish will lead or not. Could be a race to play in-running.

Our Girl Salley e/w in the mares hurdle will probably be my main bet tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on December 28, 2010, 06:29:43 PM
the panda done it well today and sum price too  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 29, 2010, 02:00:50 AM
dont see how zeb cannot win, 6/4 is a gift, venalmar and catch me both interetsing in the big handicap. zaidpours a certainty but not a betting propostion as is big bucks. hurricane fly is 8/13 to beat solwhit again, hope he wins the big one at cheltenham, only worry is that most of his form is with solwhit who was put firmly in his place at cheltenham last year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 02:44:52 AM
Solwhit wasn't right at Cheltenham last season. Had mucus in his lungs a few weeks after the Irish Champion Hurdle and was on antibiotics right up until the time he arrived in the Cottswolds.

Hurricane Fly will simply outclass them provided he gets to Cheltenham. He's one of those very rare horses who can translate his blue blood flat pedigree to the national hunt game. It really is astonishing that a horse with so much speed can stay 2m4 in heavy ground over timber. He beat Literato on the flat and he went on to win the Champion Stakes at Newmarket. He also finished within a few lengths of Lawman who won the French Derby. The only horse I can recall with such a classy flat pedigree to really take to hurdles was Istabraq who was a half-brother to Secreto who won the Epsom Derby for David O'Brien in the '80s. Others like Washington Irving (5th in the '08 Derby), Mountain (6th in the '06 Derby), Salford City (5th in the '04 Derby), Acropolis (4th in the '04 Arc) were pure useless over jumps.

Menorah, Peddlers Cross and Binocular are all very good horses in their own right but if Hurricane Fly gets there his year, he'll eat them all. No horse will be able to live with his turn of foot after the second last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 29, 2010, 12:10:25 PM
Tip for Sydney Des Pictons in the Bumper at Leopardstown. This source can be a bit of a mixed bag so don't be putting all the New Year's Eve drinking fund on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 29, 2010, 12:28:09 PM
Great shout DH, she done it really well under a good Geraghty ride
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 12:29:38 PM
 ;D

Fine lookin filly!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 03, 2010, 05:30:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2010, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 03, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
First Lieutenant bet. Never seemed to be travelling comfortably and Russell seemed to let him lose his place in the last mile.
He had won on the ground before so that can't really be an excuse.

From irishracing.com: Odds-on shot First Lieutenant's ride from Davy Russell was always going to attract attention, having stayed on for a never dangerous third, but Russell subsequently confirmed the suspicion that his mount hated today's ground.

He later reported to the Stewards that First Lieutenant "stumbled on the far side, lost his place and was hating the ground thereafter." Closer inspection of First Lieutenant's run confirms Russell's report that his mount did stumble on the back straight.


???

DH I have never sat on a horse so I would never slate a jockey for a ride but from looking at that ride today I would not have been too happy with it if I was Mouse Morris. As a man who knows a thing or 2, what was your opinion of Russells ride?

I am right in saying that he won his first race on Soft ground? The RacingPost had it as Soft to Yielding today although I read there on the Irish racing site that is was Soft to Heavy.

I reckon Fairyhouse just made a complete balls of the ground. Incredible number of horses today were stumbling and losing their action which suggests there were plenty of false patches - not good enough from Fairyhouse.

FL is by Presenting out of a Fourstars Allstar mare so he shouldn't be too inconvenienced by cut in the ground. It's tempting to write off that run due to subsequent events but in truth he's probably just not as good as his p2p reputation (and price-tag!) suggested. He may have injured himself when stumbling so you just don't know.

How the feck did I leave that one go unbacked today? Should have trusted my initial instincts instead of buying into the Zaidpour hype.

First Lieutenant could well be a future Gold Cup winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DownFanatic on December 29, 2010, 01:44:00 PM
Get on Sydney Des Pictons.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 29, 2010, 02:01:04 PM
Hurricane Fly pissed all over that field lads 8/11 turned out a fantastic price
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 02:04:15 PM
Ridiculously easy.

He could win races like the Arlington Million if Willie was so inclined. If he was with Weld I'd say he'd be Melbourne bound.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on December 29, 2010, 02:05:37 PM
Had Big Zeb, Hurricane Fly and Zaidpour in a treble  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 29, 2010, 02:14:55 PM
no luck lad always the worst price that does you
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 29, 2010, 02:21:10 PM
Typical of Mc Coy gets turned over on two short odd mounts and then sluices up on an 11/2. Obiously i had the other two backed  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on December 29, 2010, 02:22:39 PM
Some money on Beautiful sound!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on December 29, 2010, 02:21:10 PM
Typical of Mc Coy gets turned over on two short odd mounts and then sluices up on an 11/2. Obiously i had the other two backed  :o

That was the horse that McCoy stayed at Bangor to ride instead of riding in the Grade 1s at Fairyhouse. They obviously thought he was decent. That Al Ferof is a pig of a thing.

Hard to fancy Beautiful Sound at the price given his inexperience. Probably bolt up with a clear round now! Dancing Hero e/w for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
Weld the master again.

What a trainer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 29, 2010, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
Weld the master again.

What a trainer.

I heard him babbling on about Majestic Concorde at a Cheltenham preview a year or two ago, it went off the scale and comes home in front today at 33/1!!! Cute hoor Weld
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 29, 2010, 03:20:42 PM
He is good at what he does lads simple as. Big bucks by 4 1/2 or more @11/8 just can't see it lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 03:27:00 PM
Any of you Nordie lads have any info on Drumbaloo?

He's in a maiden hurdle at the Maze tomorrow and would be a good thing on his bumper form. Just wondering if he had a setback at Cheltenham though?

Looking forward to seeing Dylan Ross in the first.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on December 29, 2010, 03:31:33 PM
What a horse Big Bucks is lads 11/8 over 41/2 ,money for lifting won by 6 but could have won by 16 over another gallant performance by Lough Dearg
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on December 29, 2010, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 29, 2010, 01:44:00 PM
Get on Sydney Des Pictons.

Nowhere near the running.  Hope you weren't stung too bad!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 29, 2010, 05:43:27 PM
watch the race replays from newbury today, what a laugh
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 29, 2010, 07:01:46 PM
Good lad Dh only for you i'd be broke for new years!Had our girl salley,then decided the only value in zaidpours race would be a forecast and remembered you mentioning first lieutenant before so put him and zaidpour in the reverse f/c!
Should've quit there though but got a call to back bautiful sound and cayo levantado,got beautiful sound at 8's and then he got backed off the boards so i was near counting my money and he came nowhere and Cayo levantado goes off and finishes nowhere with his stablemate winning the race! ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 29, 2010, 09:01:51 PM
Hurricane Fly still 9/2 for champion hurdle with Corals. Generally 7/2 and 3/1 with Boyles, Betfred and StanJames. I suppose its a real ante-post risk given his previous record of failing to make Cheltenham. Unless Menorah or Binocular do something special in the meantime, I presume he'll go off about 2/1 if he makes it to Prestwick Park?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 10:15:48 PM
Where's Prestwick Park TAM? I hope he doesn't end up there in March!  ;)

He's the kind of horse you'd want to back NRNB. If he gets there he would be a massive plunge horse on the day. Walsh will probably ride him and he'll be the main Irish hope unless Dunguib does something special in the meantime. The English punters will be divided between Menorah, Binocular and Peddlers Cross. 2/1 or shorter I'd say. The Tuesday is always the day for the big plunge on an Irish hotpot. Lads head over with a full wallet and can't wait to get stuck into a big favourite.

Willie has also said he'll possibly have two more runs in the interim (Irish Champion and the Red Mills presumably). If he wasn't to come off the bridle in either of those he'll be even shorter. Good to see there's one of the top trainers who doesn't buy into this "straight to Cheltenham" nonsense.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 29, 2010, 10:32:34 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2010, 10:15:48 PM
Where's Prestwick Park TAM? I hope he doesn't end up there in March!  ;)

He's the kind of horse you'd want to back NRNB. If he gets there he would be a massive plunge horse on the day. Walsh will probably ride him and he'll be the main Irish hope unless Dunguib does something special in the meantime. The English punters will be divided between Menorah, Binocular and Peddlers Cross. 2/1 or shorter I'd say. The Tuesday is always the day for the big plunge on an Irish hotpot. Lads head over with a full wallet and can't wait to get stuck into a big favourite.

Willie has also said he'll possibly have two more runs in the interim (Irish Champion and the Red Mills presumably). If he wasn't to come off the bridle in either of those he'll be even shorter. Good to see there's one of the top trainers who doesn't buy into this "straight to Cheltenham" nonsense.

Knew there was something wrong with that sentence! Prestbury of course, not the Glasgow airport.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 AM
Keep an eye on alll Gordon Elliots horses today,it could pay  big time  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 31, 2010, 05:12:21 PM
Nick Pullen makes a case for Hey Big Spender in the Victor Chandler:
http://www.horseracingfocus.co.uk/articles_dec10.html (http://www.horseracingfocus.co.uk/articles_dec10.html)

15 runners are due to go to post but the entry that catches my eye
is Colin Tizzard's 7-year old - Hey Big Spender. He went well for a
long time at Newbury in the Hennessy back in November - leading the
field for much of the way. He went off too fast as it turned out
and was very tired by the time he fell at the last fence.

He may well have pulled too hard. He has a history of being held up
but his prominence that day suggests he was fizzy. I can't imagine
forcing the pace was considered a tactical necessity - not in an 18
runner field and when trying the trip for the first time.

That race was run over 3m2f - and there's a suspicion that Hey Big
Spender doesn't fully get that. At least not yet. He has won one of
his 5 efforts at 3m+ - but that was a small field affair in heavy
ground at Carlisle and it would be a mistake to place too much
faith in the value of that form. On the clock it was nothing
special.

Tomorrow's step back in trip will suit the horse down to the
ground. All 3 times he's stood up in a race over 2m4f to 2m6f he
has won
- he unseated his rider at the Festival in March and then
fell at Aintree on the other two occasions he's raced at what looks
like his optimum trip.

There are clearly one or two issues with his jumping - but he went
well enough at Newbury until he fell and he's won over the
Cheltenham fences before when taking a novice chase over 2m5f last
January - beating Edgbriar and Midnight Chase by 10 and 16 lengths
respectively. Both those have improved and won races subsequently
and if Hey Big Spender can improve a little on that effort he will
go very close here.

He is certainly open to improvement. With just 8 chases under his
belt - and some of those at trips we're not sure he fully gets -
he's more progressive than most of those he'll be up against
tomorrow.


Back at a trip he obviously excels at he'll represent my first bet
of the New Year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 01, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
I'm sstill half cut with 1 eye open and 1 closed here but impressive write up nonetheless hardy!As i tried find hey big speder i bumped into celestial halo-if he run anything near his best he's a steal e/w at 4/1!
Trendeleburg was entered to run today but too lazy to check for an hour or 2  to see if he does run and no word for him  but he was expected to win the other day and the horse that beat him went up 9 pounds or so yday and still won so............
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 01, 2011, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 01, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
I'm sstill half cut with 1 eye open and 1 closed here but impressive write up nonetheless hardy!As i tried find hey big speder i bumped into celestial halo-if he run anything near his best he's a steal e/w at 4/1!
Trendeleburg was entered to run today but too lazy to check for an hour or 2  to see if he does run and no word for him  but he was expected to win the other day and the horse that beat him went up 9 pounds or so yday and still won so............
Agreed - I'm on!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 01, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Ah well - a nice consolation is that I backed Oscar Whisky at 95 ante-post for the Champion Hurdle to trade out. Now 20.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 01, 2011, 01:14:35 PM
The Sliotar
According to Pete
Hey BIg Spender
Warne Way

Today Lucky 'Lucky'
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 01, 2011, 02:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 01, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Ah well - a nice consolation is that I backed Oscar Whisky at 95 ante-post for the Champion Hurdle to trade out. Now 20.

Now that's tidy hurling!Sell about 10 percent of it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 01, 2011, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 31, 2010, 05:12:21 PM
Nick Pullen makes a case for Hey Big Spender in the Victor Chandler

It made a lot more sense before the race than now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 01, 2011, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 01, 2011, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 31, 2010, 05:12:21 PM
Nick Pullen makes a case for Hey Big Spender in the Victor Chandler

It made a lot more sense before the race than now.

Stuffed after the 1st, I couldn't pick bogies from Phil Thompson nose FFS
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 01, 2011, 03:02:09 PM
Jays Trendelenburg made hard work of it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 02, 2011, 07:58:36 PM
Anyone any fancies for tomorrow?  Dh I'm looking at you  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 02, 2011, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 02, 2011, 07:58:36 PM
Anyone any fancies for tomorrow?  Dh I'm looking at you  :D

Poor enough fare tomorrow.

Charlie Swan's horse should win the bumper but will be too short with Nina up. Duc De Savoie and Prince Chaparral will be two of the better flat recruits to go hurdling. DK's horse should have more gears.

I wouldn't want to risk my hard earned on either though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 04, 2011, 03:05:09 PM
Charles Byrnes has reiterated that Weapons Amnesty won't run this season.

Time to get on for Cheltenham so!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 04, 2011, 04:51:18 PM
Which race will he be in DH?  Why is this a good sign?  Sorry not really that knowledgable about horses.  Love watching and the odd dabble though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 04, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
gold cup, whatever byrnes says in press relases about his horses often means the exact opposite
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 04, 2011, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 04, 2011, 04:51:18 PM
Which race will he be in DH?  Why is this a good sign?  Sorry not really that knowledgable about horses.  Love watching and the odd dabble though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uescVkEFvs Watch this and listen to what ruby has to say about Solwhit (a byrnes horse) should tell you all you need to know!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 04, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
I see Ladbrokes have gone NRNB for Cheltenham. The 4/1 about Hurricane Fly could look big by race day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 04, 2011, 11:59:33 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 04, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
I see Ladbrokes have gone NRNB for Cheltenham. The 4/1 about Hurricane Fly could look big by race day.

Jaysus that does sound tempting!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 05, 2011, 12:42:32 AM
Quote from: beer baron on January 04, 2011, 11:59:33 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 04, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
I see Ladbrokes have gone NRNB for Cheltenham. The 4/1 about Hurricane Fly could look big by race day.

Jaysus that does sound tempting!

A trading opportunity with half the non-run risk removed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 05, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
I think I read somewhere that Ladbrokes offer is subject to a Rule 4 should any of the fancied runners not turn up?

They also don't have their prices up on Oddschecker anymore which is a pain.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 07, 2011, 12:38:30 PM
Stats suggest the winner of tomorrow's Welsh National would come from Maktu, Dance Island and Watamu Bay. Dance Island ticks more of the boxes. I've dutched the three of them, with a little extra on Dance Island.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 07, 2011, 03:15:32 PM
See a 1-10 shot was turned over by a 25-1 outsider in  the 2.40 @ Lingfield!

:o :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 07, 2011, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Joxer on January 07, 2011, 03:15:32 PM
See a 1-10 shot was turned over by a 25-1 outsider in  the 2.40 @ Lingfield!

:o :o :o

It sure was-georgie baker on the winner and all!Had 2 big ones on it!Small bet always win! ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 07, 2011, 12:38:30 PM
Stats suggest the winner of tomorrow's Welsh National would come from Maktu, Dance Island and Watamu Bay. Dance Island ticks more of the boxes. I've dutched the three of them, with a little extra on Dance Island.

Any view on the MCR Hurdle on Sunday Hardy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 07, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
I didn't see any stats for it, DH and I don't think I'll have time to do my own between now and then. I assembled the Welsh National stats from a site I subscribe to that had already done the donkey work, with a little added interpretation of my own. I'm planning to put together a portfolio of stats for major races, but I haven't made much progress yet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 07, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
I didn't see any stats for it, DH and I don't think I'll have time to do my own between now and then. I assembled the Welsh National stats from a site I subscribe to that had already done the donkey work, with a little added interpretation of my own. I'm planning to put together a portfolio of stats for major races, but I haven't made much progress yet.

Good luck with it.

That muppet of a handicapper over in England might make life difficult for you though. The Aintree National stats have been turned on their head the past two years because of the stupid way he frames the weights.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 07, 2011, 06:44:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 07, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
I didn't see any stats for it, DH and I don't think I'll have time to do my own between now and then. I assembled the Welsh National stats from a site I subscribe to that had already done the donkey work, with a little added interpretation of my own. I'm planning to put together a portfolio of stats for major races, but I haven't made much progress yet.

Good luck with it.

That muppet of a handicapper over in England might make life difficult for you though. The Aintree National stats have been turned on their head the past two years because of the stupid way he frames the weights.
Exactly, as I know to my cost. He seems to make a special case of the National, though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2011, 06:53:47 PM
I suppose the Aintree National is unique but he seems to come up with some daft ratings, particularly for novices both over fences and hurdles. His overreaction to Cue Card after winning at the Paddy Power meeting was laughable. There's no way on earth Denman ran to 182 in the Gold Cup and don't get me started on Master Minded's rating!

A few friends of mine sent a very moderate novice hurdler over to Cheltenham for one of the handicaps at the festival a few years ago. They might as well have left the poor horse at home because Smith gave him a stone more than Noel O'Brien had given him over here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 08, 2011, 03:33:03 PM
scandalour from townend on blacstairmountain
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 08, 2011, 03:57:15 PM
I wouldn't be too harsh on Townend. BSM needs it like a road and he can pull himself up in front as he did at Fairyhouse last year when Luska Lad chinned him. The horse looked tired jumping the last (which he walked through) and I doubt there was a lot left in the tank even if he had given him a few cracks behind the saddle. He probably got there too soon but there was nothing travelling well enough to give him a lead turning in.

Townend is ridiculously talented for his age but he does seem to think he is Paul Carberry at times. He could learn a lot from Patrick Mullins. In terms of style, he's Junior C standard compared to Townend but he always keeps it simple and he always rides out to the line no matter how superior his horse is to the opposition.

Chapman talking up Mille Chief as a potential Champion Hurdle contender now!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 08, 2011, 04:00:38 PM
mille chief looked brilliant, had flat out in teh first today, mille chief at the end but a long baron spell in between. flat out could be a good cheltenham prospect now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 08, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
I'd prefer to see Flat Out aimed at the Powers. It should be weakened this year due to this stupid new 2m5 novice chase at Cheltenham.

Great card tomorrow at Leopardstown. Probably won't touch the big handicap which looks ridiculously competitive as always. Jessies Dream the class act on the card - should be good enough under a penalty and then hopefully on to March where he'll have a serious chance in the Sun Alliance. The 4yo bumper is always worth watching. Ned Kelly and Kicking King have won it in the past. DK's horse will probably be all the rage.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 08, 2011, 04:27:31 PM
two different 2 and a half mile novice chases is totally unecssary, 3 novice hurdles and 4 novice chases completely dilutes the qulaity of racing, given aintree has 2m4f races in its festival as well. Would like to see a decrease of races at chelternham, the thursday especially is dour
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 09, 2011, 01:49:55 PM
Holy god what was Timmy Murphy at on Jessies dream  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 09, 2011, 02:33:48 PM
poor from murphy, townend gave that horse a dream ride
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 09, 2011, 05:23:59 PM
Very disappointing from Jessies Dream but the race looked like it could turn messy with the two NRs. Just from looking at the replay there, I'm not sure he was in love with the ground. He certainly didn't go through it as well as Magnanimity. He was also giving the winner 7lbs. Timmy is one of those jockeys that always looks to have more left in the tank than he actually has but I'm sure he still thought he'd win going down to the last. I suspect the horse might have been blinded a bit by the sun the way he jumped out to his right which cost him the race. The novice chase form is all over the place at the moment.

Looks like the 4yo bumper has thrown up a hugely promising horse again. Weld is a genius (greatest living trainer in the world IMO) and he looks like he has another fine bumper horse at Rosewell House. Disappointing to hear he'll probably go for the Kevin McManus race at Limerick instead of Cheltenham but with an eye to the future that might not be the worst decision in the world.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 10, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
Got word for Devon native 4.15 taunton,won't be throwing the life savings on it but could be worth a few pound e/w!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 10, 2011, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 10, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
Got word for Devon native 4.15 taunton,won't be throwing the life savings on it but could be worth a few pound e/w!

Good each way shout though unfortunately I didn't got on until it was 4/1 so no profit for me. Was 13/2 with Corals earlier. My own fault for procrastinating.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 10, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 10, 2011, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 10, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
Got word for Devon native 4.15 taunton,won't be throwing the life savings on it but could be worth a few pound e/w!

Good each way shout though unfortunately I didn't got on until it was 4/1 so no profit for me. Was 13/2 with Corals earlier. My own fault for procrastinating.

Me too, although i'm still not sure if i got on or not as i texted a well know bookie that used to be on this board 5 mins before the race and he didn't text me back...hope there was a delay in the text messages :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 10, 2011, 04:35:50 PM
Got 6's so up a few quid but i don't think they'll be cancelling my account because of it  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 11, 2011, 11:46:20 PM
Dunguib set to take on Hurricane Fly at Leopardstown rather than having a canter round Naas on Saturday.

I'm tempted to have a few quid on for the Stayers Hurdle because I suspect Hurricane Fly will easily outspeed him and they might be tempted to step him up in trip instead of trying to sneak a place in the Champion Hurdle. His pedigree says three miles rather than two. He's by Presenting - the same sire as Denman and War Of Attrition. His dam Edermine Berry won over 2m6 for Philip Rothwell at Downpatrick and her half brother (Cruise The Fairway) was a decent staying handicap chaser for Brendan Powell in England.

It's a long shot but I think 3 miles will eventually be his optimum trip and his jumping would be under less pressure due to the more sedate pace they go over 24 furlongs.

Something has to beat that Big Bucks sooner or later! I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if DK threw a spanner in the works in the next few weeks and announced that Rite Of Passage will run in the Stayers at Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 11, 2011, 11:55:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 11, 2011, 11:46:20 PM
Dunguib set to take on Hurricane Fly at Leopardstown rather than having a canter round Naas on Saturday.

I'm tempted to have a few quid on for the Stayers Hurdle because I suspect Hurricane Fly will easily outspeed him and they might be tempted to step him up in trip instead of trying to sneak a place in the Champion Hurdle. His pedigree says three miles rather than two. He's by Presenting - the same sire as Denman and War Of Attrition. His dam Edermine Berry won over 2m6 for Philip Rothwell at Downpatrick and her half brother (Cruise The Fairway) was a decent staying handicap chaser for Brendan Powell in England.

It's a long shot but I think 3 miles will eventually be his optimum trip and his jumping would be under less pressure due to the more sedate pace they go over 24 furlongs.

Something has to beat that Big Bucks sooner or later! I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if DK threw a spanner in the works in the next few weeks and announced that Rite Of Passage will run in the Stayers at Cheltenham.

DH a thought struck me and I'm wondering if its just a mad idea but if Nicholls was to send Denman to the World Hurdle and Big Bucks to the Gold Cup would he increase his chances of landing both? I realise there's no chance of this happening but Ruby's comments in his autobiography about what a good hurdler Denman is stuck in my memory.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2011, 01:06:28 AM
Not a chance it will happen is right TAM but interesting observation nonetheless.

I haven't really got a strong opinion on the Gold Cup yet. I can't have the Nicholls pair at 11 years of age - Denman seems to have his own ideas about the game nowadays and Kauto Star looked laboured to my eyes in the in the Nicholson which could be a sign of regression. Imperial Commander is far from bombproof himself. It's traditionally been a race for second season chasers but Diamond Harry has never looked entirely straightforward especially at Cheltenham and Pandorama would need plenty of give and he hardly excelled himself on his last trip to England much to my cost!

Big Bucks has a hell of an engine but from my memory of his brief chasing career his jumping left a lot to be desired. He ran in the Jewson in 2008 off a mark of 148 and could only finish 7th. He was only a baby then but most of the top chasers don't spend long over timber because they tend to pick up bad habits. The top hurdlers are very quick getting from one side of their obstacles to the other and they tend to just graze the top bar. Jumping a fence requires a different technique. Most horses that have been hurdling for a number of seasons tend to disappoint when they go novice chasing because they're so used to hurdles and they can't adapt - Celestial Halo, Iris's Gift and Harchibald to name three. If Big Bucks ever goes over fences again which I doubt he will, I'd want to be against him.

Hurdling clearly suits him but I don't buy this 'best NH horse in training' guff from the RP. The most celebrated horses run at 2 miles over hurdles and at 3 miles over fences. Staying hurdles are no more than a consolation prize. With the exception of Punchestowns, Big Bucks hasn't really beaten anything since he's gone over hurdles. The likes of Lough Derg, Souffleur and Duc De Regniere are not top drawer horses. He probably won't have any opposition this March either though. I've seen a few people talking up Mourad but he's a soft horse who'll fold when the pressure comes on. I'd love to see something like Dunguib, Rite Of Passage or even Long Run back over hurdles take him on to see if they can get him at it. It's probable that none of them will though and he'll probably go off 1/3 on the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 12, 2011, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 11, 2011, 11:46:20 PM
Dunguib  ... I'm tempted to have a few quid on for the Stayers Hurdle

You can have €2 at 95 on Betfair. Next price on offer? 3.5!

I agree, DH, about Denman, Kauto Star and Imperial Commander in the Gold Cup. Apart from observed form,
statistics would suggest that all three will regress this year.

Do you think Sizing Europe will go for the Gold Cup or the Champion Chase? I have to assume the Gold Cup is being
considered, given that his last three entries were over distance. If that’s the intention, he’s good value ante-post at 44.
Though the fact that he’s drifting makes me think the market knows something.

I think his last three runs are being viewed too negatively. You would have to be tolerant of the Punchestown form of a
Cheltenham winner. You must assume he peaked for Cheltenham, so it’s easy to excuse his defeat by two as good as
Golden Silver and Pady. 

Likewise, I would take little enough notice of the first run of a season as a form guide and his other defeat was to no
less than Kauto Star and in conditions he won’t have enjoyed.

Before that he was undefeated in his first five chases and even still has never been out of the first three in a chase. We
don't really know yet about his ability to get three miles and he has lost on both occasions he’s tried to go more than two
and a half miles but excuses can be made for both – one was a first run of the season and four lengths off Kauto Star over
a muddy three miles doesn’t seem to suggest a stamina problem. Obviously connections think he has prospects over
this distance.

Falling back on my stats approach, his profile is near perfect for a Gold Cup winner in a year when the profiles of  the
top three in the betting are anything but. I’m not saying Sizing Europe is a Gold Cup winner. He still has a lot to find and,
stats aside, Imperial Commander looks a likely winner to me. But I’m looking at backing him ante-post with the possibility
of trading out. I was anticipating a good run in the King George but whatever his next engagement, I’d bet those odds will
shorten very considerably.

Any idea where he’ll run now that the King George is out?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on January 12, 2011, 10:43:20 AM
Hardy you might have seen it already but this site is good for stats in major races http://www.racecaller.com/

Stats for NH horses on various ground by Sire/ Dam is something I would be interested in but cant find a summary anywhere....

Also interested in development by age according to sire  and in Chase vs Hurdles form ( eg Old Vics much better chasers usually ).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 12, 2011, 12:02:41 PM
Bcarrier - thank you. I wasn't aware of that site. I've been looking for something to take the spadework out of working out stats for the big races. Where do they have the stats - is it in the forums?

I don't know of any source of sire stats for NH racing. You may know Flatstats do some sire stats for the flat - http://www.flatstats.co.uk/sire_stats.php (http://www.flatstats.co.uk/sire_stats.php)
The only sire-related info I know of for NH is on Dave Renham's http://www.racingtrends.co.uk (http://www.racingtrends.co.uk) (a subscription site - very good - £20-odd per month) but this only gives selections based on Dave's own analysis - it doesn't provide the stats themselves. A typical entry:

1.05    Doncaster - Get Ready To Go: Poor Sire Stats - Turtle Island in non handicap hurdles; SR 5% ROI -79% (win & pl 20%)

My main source of stats is a downloadable database from Simple Software Racing. It's part of a software package but I just use the database and process it myself for my own stats. You have to install the software and then just copy the database from the installed folder. It's free and has results back to 1994. It has data in 25 categories, but not breeding, unfortunately. http://www.racingsense.com/racingsense101128.zip (http://www.racingsense.com/racingsense101128.zip)

I also use Racing Systems Builder (www.rsbweb.com (http://www.rsbweb.com)) as a good way of processing stats, but it doesn't have as many categories as SSR.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 12, 2011, 01:37:04 PM
I would have thought that the Ryanair is a live option for Sizing Europe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 12, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
Probably is, as well. It just seems connections are aiming him at three miles, but if he doesn't go in the Gold Cup, the Ryanair is probably as likely as the Champion Chase.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on January 12, 2011, 03:50:45 PM
Its under forum link ... eg here are Irish Champ Hurdle 10 year trends

http://www.racecaller.com/raceAnalytics/view/id/3366

QuoteThe Toshiba Irish Champion Hurdle takes place at Leopardstown on Sunday 23rd January. The race has been won by some of the best Irish hurdlers of recent times including Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace and Istabraq. The key form race is the Leopardstown Festival Hurdle from which 5 of the last 10 winners have come.

Below we take a look at the trends for the past 10 years:

Age (Win-Place-Runners)

4yo: 0-0-1

5yo: 0-1-7

6yo: 5-3-15

7yo: 0-4-18

8yo: 1-3-15

9yo: 2-1-6

10yo+: 2-2-9

6yos have the best record having won 5 of the last 9 renewals while older horses also do well in the race with horses aged 9 or above having a combined record of 4-3-15.



Recent/Past Form

9 of 10 winners finished in first 3 on their last completed start

10 of 10 winners had run no more than 3 times that season

8 of 10 winners had won a grade 1 hurdle (1 exception was 2nd in a grade 1 while other won the Greatwood and was having first run in a grade 1)

8 of 10 winners had their last run in December

8 of 10 winners had previously won at Leopardstown (1 exception was having first course start while other was placed on both previous runs here)



Other Races

Previous year's winner (Solwhit): 1F222 (1-3-5)

Leopardstown Festival Hurdle winner (Hurricane Fly): F12112341 (4-2-9)

Punchestown Champion Hurdle winner (Hurricane Fly): 3131 (2-1-4)

Morgiana Hurdle winner (Solwhit): F2185 (2-1-6)

Previous season Royal Bond winner (Dunguib): F2128 (1-2-5)

Deloitte Novice Hurdle winner (Dunguib): 12 (1-1-2)

Champion Hurdle winner (Binocular): 1372 (1-1-4)

Champion Nov' Hurdle winner (Blackstairmountain): F1428 (1-1-5)

Hatton's Grace winner (Hurricane Fly): 242P (0-2-4)

5 of 10 winners ran in Festival Hurdle last time, finishing F1131

5 of 10 winners finished in first 4 in a grade 1 hurdle at Cheltenham Festival (3 Champion Hurdle, 1 Supreme, 1 Neptune)

4 of 10 winners ran in the Morgiana, finishing 2311

3 of 10 winners ran in the Punchestown Champion Hurdle, finishing 131

3 of 10 winners ran in the Aintree Hurdle, finishing F21

3 of 10 winners had run in the Hatton's Grace, finishing 332

2 of 10 winners ran in the Core Hurdle, finishing 11



Trainers

Colm Murphy (2-2-6) saddled Brave Inca to gain 2 wins and 2 seconds.

Charles Byrnes (1-0-1) trained Solwhit to win this last year.

Noel Meade (0-2-7) has had a poor record in this race over the last 10 years with no wins and 2 places from 7 representatives while Willie Mullins (0-0-4) has seen all 4 of his runners finish unplaced.

British trained runners (0-1-5) have gained just 1 place from 5 runners in the past 10 years.



Price

8 of 10 winners were priced 10/3 or shorter

This is certainly not a race for longshots with 8/1 and 9/1 the two long priced winners in the past decade.

Favourites (6-2-11) have won 6 of the last 10 giving a level stakes profit of 2.65.



Summary:

Based on the trends from the past 10 years you are looking for a horse:

    *
      Aged 6 or 9+
    *
      Finished in first 3 last time out (preferably in the Festival Hurdle)
    *
      Run no more than 3 times this season
    *
      Had its last run in December
    *
      Won a grade 1 hurdle
    *
      Previously won at Leopardstown
    *
      Finished in first 4 at Cheltenham Festival
    *
      First 3 in Morgiana, Hatton’s Grace or Punchestown Champ H'dl
    *
      Trained in Ireland
    *
      Priced 10/3 or shorter (favourite has a strong record)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 12, 2011, 04:04:40 PM
That's excellent, bcarrier. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 12, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
6 or 9+ is one of those coincidinces that statistics throw up that jus cant be a viable trend, 7 and 8 year olds surely cant be discounted based on being that age, no reason why that isnt their prime age
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 12, 2011, 04:32:55 PM
Jamie Spencer after giving a great ride in the 4.15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2011, 06:59:44 PM
Hard to know where they'll go with Sizing Europe. Not a lot of options for him between now and March and I'm not certain the Hennessy would suit him. My guess is they'll go for the Kinloch Brae over two and a half at Thurles or the Red Mills Trial at Gowran and then on to the Gold Cup. I've never been a massive fan of the animal but he probably has a better chance in this Gold Cup than he does taking on Big Zeb & Master Minded. He does fit the trends - second season chaser unexposed at the trip.

Nothing really jumps off the page looking at the entries. Pride Of Dulcote and China Rock make most appeal to me at the moment unless Pandorama was to get his ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2011, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on January 12, 2011, 10:43:20 AM
Stats for NH horses on various ground by Sire/ Dam is something I would be interested in but cant find a summary anywhere....

Also interested in development by age according to sire  and in Chase vs Hurdles form ( eg Old Vics much better chasers usually ).

Even though they've made a bags of upgrading it the RP stallion book is still the best resource.

Click on the 'progeny statistics' tab and a list of stats will appear including how a sire's progeny have fared in different ground and over different distances. Nothing on age (unless you're looking at a flat sire) and chases/hurdles but a handy tip would be to click on the 'progeny' tab and research the highest rated progeny - what was their respective hurdle and chase ratings and were they early or late maturing horses? At what stage of their careers did they achieve their highest ratings? Clear trends will quickly appear.

I personally think the dam is almost as important in terms of stamina than the sire especially when you have a versatile sire (distance wise). Always research the dam and her sire to get a clear picture.

Kings Theatre (IRE):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=84432&tab=stud (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=84432&tab=stud)

Presenting (GB):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=96595&popup=1 (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=96595&popup=1)

Oscar (IRE):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=462135&popup=1 (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=462135&popup=1)

Flemensfirth (USA):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=96578&popup=1 (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=96578&popup=1)

Beneficial (GB):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=75837&popup=1 (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=75837&popup=1)

Anshan (GB):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=49160&popup=1 (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=49160&popup=1)

Old Vic (GB):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=42337&popup=1 (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=42337&popup=1)

Bob Back (USA):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=304239&popup=1 (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=304239&popup=1)

Accordion (GB):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=304885&popup=1 (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=304885&popup=1)

Montjeu (IRE):
http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=503034&tab=stud (http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/stallionbook/stallion_home.sd?horse_id=503034&tab=stud)


They're the top 10 NH sires as they rank at the moment. I'm sure John Magnier wouldn't be too happy with me listing Montjeu as a NH sire but he sneaks in at number ten mostly on the back of Hurricane Fly's exploits. Sorry for clogging up the thread with this but I've always been a bit of a pedigree anorak.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on January 12, 2011, 09:51:25 PM
Thanks Hardy and DH. Bit of work to do.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on January 14, 2011, 01:20:21 PM
Heading to Kempton tomorrow with a few other lads, should be a good day out.

Whats your views on the card lads. Kauto and Binocular double??

Anything else stand out that i should be taking a look at?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 14, 2011, 03:16:27 PM
What odds are those two bamboo?  Can't access betting sites here.

Should be a great day out for ye tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 14, 2011, 03:29:38 PM
Binocular 2/1, 3.18 Betfair.
Kauto Star 4/6, 1.66 Betfair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 14, 2011, 03:32:21 PM
Cheers Hardy.  4/1 the double.  I'll probably have a dabble at that myself.

Hate to be a pain here, but any chance you could somehow post the cards up?  Haven't had a chance to look at the opposition yet.

Cheers, mal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 14, 2011, 03:45:33 PM
after last year i dont think binocular can ever be truested outside of teh champion hurdle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 14, 2011, 04:03:06 PM
Starluck beat Binocular home on their last outing and in this race last year and so surely represents better value.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 14, 2011, 04:07:37 PM
Saturday January 15  2011
Kempton Park
14:25
williamhill.com Christmas Hurdle (Grade 1)
£75000.00 added, 5yo plus, 2m, Class 1, £42758.00 penalty
6 runners
Going: Good to Soft, Soft in places
Race Preview » Click for Champion Hurdle odds

1      3/5311-3   Binocular (FR) 49       7    11-7   N J Henderson   A P McCoy    171 
2      2404-92   Bocamix (FR) 56     5    11-7   A Crook   F Davis    130     
3      5B16-1   Escort'men (FR) 98     5    11-7   P F Nicholls   S Thomas    149

4      0/51121-   Khyber Kim 280     9    11-7   N A Twiston-Davies   P J Brennan    167 
5      2111-21   Overturn (IRE) 150     7    11-7   D McCain Jnr   J M Maguire    159     
6      3/1225-2   Starluck (IRE) 49     6    11-7   A Fleming   T J Murphy    160     

Betting Forecast: 2/1 Binocular, 5/2 Starluck, 3/1 Khyber Kim, 6/1 Overturn, 8/1 Escort'men, 200/1 Bocamix

VERDICT
Binocular's main target again this year is the Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham so there's just a chance that he may not be fully wound-up for this. In any case, he finished behind Starluck in this last season and again on his reappearance behind Peddlers Cross at Newbury. Alan Fleming's six-year-old deserves to win a decent prize and should be able to pick off the front-running Overturn up the straight here but may be found wanting if it comes to a battle with KHYBER KIM. Second to Binocular in last year's Champion Hurdle, the nine-year-old is a classy performer who goes well fresh and will handle conditions better than most. Escort'men was an impressive winner on his reappearance under a big weight at Chepstow but it would be a surprise if he was good enough to follow up in this company.

FORMWATCH
Binocular (FR) 5-6fav (11-7) Held up in 4th, headway on inside to 3rd before 2 out, chased winner between last 2 and every chance last, lost 2nd and weakened flat, 3rd of 5, 7l behind Peddlers Cross (11-7) at Newbury 2m hdl G1 (1) gs in Nov.
Bocamix (FR) 66-1 (10-12) Held up in 4th, headway to track leading pair 4 out, ridden 2 out, stayed on under pressure to chase winner flat, always held, 2nd of 5, 2l behind Carlito Brigante (11-6) at Haydock 2m 4yo hdl (2) gs in Nov.
Escort'men (FR) 5-1 (11-10) Held up in rear, steady headway 4 out, soon tracking leaders, went 2nd 2 out, led before and 2 lengths ahead when blundered last, soon driven and just held on in driving finish, won at Chepstow 2m Limited hcp hdl (2) gs in Oct beating Olofi (10-8) by ns, 8 ran.
Khyber Kim 7-2 (11-7) In rear, headway approaching 3 out, left in lead 2 out, drew clear from last, won at Aintree 2m 4f hdl G1 (1) gd in Apr beating Muirhead (11-7) by 5l, 7 ran.
Overturn (IRE) 6-1 (11-6) Soon led, ridden to assert entering straight, kept on strongly, comfortably, won at Galway 2m hcp hdl gf in Jul beating Bahrain Storm (11-8) by 6l, 19 ran.
Starluck (IRE) 7-1 (11-7) Held up last, good headway to chase leaders and went left 2 out, driven to chase winner flat and stayed on but always held, 2nd of 5, 1 1/4l behind Peddlers Cross (11-7) at Newbury 2m hdl G1 (1) gs in Nov.



Saturday January 15 2011
Kempton[/]
Park[/] 15:00
William Hill King George VI Chase (Grade 1)
£180000.00 added, 5yo plus, 3m, Class 1, £102618.00 penalty
9 runners
  Going: Good to Soft, Soft in places


1              6211-4F      Alberta's Run (IRE)(IRE) 56  10     11-10                    168           
2              22222-2      Forpadydeplasterer (IE) 62  9      11-10                167           
3              11/11F-1     Kauto Star (IRE) 70       11     11-10 t                      190           
4              11113-3      Long Run (FR)63        6      11-10                  162           
5              244F-2F      Madison Du Berlais (FR) 49   10     11-10 p              157           
6              P423-14      Nacarat (FR) 56   10     11-10                 158           
7              12F01-3      Planet Of Sound 56      9      11-10 t                 163   
8              3115F-1      Riverside Theatre 75    7      11-10                160           
9              64/113-1     The Nightingale (FR) 70       8      11-10                     167         
   
Betting Forecast: 4/6 Kauto Star, 6/1 Long Run, 8/1 The Nightingale, 10/1 Nacarat, 14/1 Forpadydeplasterer, 16/1 Planet of Sound, 16/1 Riverside Theatre, 33/1 Albertas Run, 33/1 Madison Du Berlais

VERDICT There are no prizes for originality in putting KAUTO STAR forward for this. Paul Nicholls' 11-year-old may be worth opposing at Cheltenham in two months time but this is his arena and he will be a short price to gain a fifth successive triumph in this Grade 1 contest having put Madison Du erlais, Nacarat and Albertas Run firmly in their place last season. The betting suggests Long Run will be his main rival and the six-year-old certainly has more scope than his rivals here. He wasn't disgraced when third in the Paddy Power Gold Cup on his reappearance and is certain to see out this trip, unlike stablemate Riverside Theatre or Planet Of Sound. Ante-post gamble The Nightingale may also have stamina limitations and Forpadydeplasterer has never raced over 3m before, though Thomas Cooper's 2010 Champion Chase runner-up is a high-class performer who has Grade 1 form over 2m5f on soft ground and a relaxed style of racing which suggests he's a viable each-way alternative to the favourite.

FORMWATCH
Albertas Run (IRE) 9-4 (11-11) Tracked leader 2nd, narrow lead from 5th, pressed by winner from 11th, mistake 4 out, joined and pushed along when fell heavily 3 out, in a race won by Master Minded (11-11) at Ascot 2m 3f Grade 2 chs (4yo+) (1) gs in Nov, 6 ran.
Forpadydeplasterer (IRE) 11-8fav (11-0) Raced wide, held up in 6th, headway to chase leaders 6th, went 2nd before upsides and every chance when hit 3 out, led 2 out, headed and not pace of winner flat, 2nd of 7, 4l behind Gauvain (11-0) at Cheltenham 2m chs (2) gs in Nov.
Kauto Star (FR) 4-7fav (11-10) Tracked leader in 2nd, close up 5 out, pushed along in 2nd approaching 3 out, led 3 out, ridden before next, kept on strongly from last, won at Down Royal 3m chs G1 (1) sft in Nov beating Sizing Europe (11-10) by 4l, 7 ran.
Long Run (FR) 2-1fav (11-1) In touch, not fluent 7th, driven to challenge when mistake 2 out, stayed on same pace, 3rd of 18, 5l behind Little Josh (10-5) at Cheltenham 2m 4f Grade 3 hcp chs (4yo+) (1) gs in Nov.
Madison Du Berlais (FR) 16-1 (10-1) Took keen hold, in touch when fell 4th, in a race won by Diamond Harry (10-0) at Newbury 3m 2f hcp chs Grd 3 (1) gs in Nov, 18 ran.
Nacarat (FR) 7-1 (11-7) Disputed 2nd, led narrowly 10th, headed 12th, chased winner, outpaced 3 out, soon no impression, lost 2nd last, no extra, 4th of 7, 12l behind Imperial Commander (11-7) at Haydock 3m chs G1 (1) gs in Nov.
Planet of Sound 17-2 (11-7) Held up in touch, tracked leading pair 5 out, driven and outpaced after next, kept on under pressure from 3 out, no impression, 3rd of 7, 9l behind Imperial Commander (11-7) at Haydock 3m chs G1 (1) gs in Nov.
Riverside Theatre 6-4fav (11-9) Tracked leading pair, headway 4 out, led before next, drew readily clear from next, very easily, won at Kempton 2m 4f grad ch (2) gd in Nov beating Free World (11-6) by 9l, 6 ran.
The Nightingale (FR) 3-1 (11-10) Tracked leaders, travelled well to challenge 3 out, led before next, ridden and kept on strongly from before last, won at Down Royal 2m 4f chs G2 (1) sft in Nov beating Roberto Goldback (11-10) by 11l, 7 ran.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 14, 2011, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 14, 2011, 04:03:06 PM
Starluck beat Binocular home on their last outing and in this race last year and so surely represents better value.

The way Timmy Murphy's riding at the minute i wouldn't back him if he was on the incarnation of Pegasus!
Guaranteed he'll give a majestic ride to win after me saying that! :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 14, 2011, 04:28:48 PM
BJ Geraghty had a nice treble today in Huntingdon.

Give Binocular and Kauto by whatever winning distance PP are giving tomorrow a wee double for a bit of interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2011, 06:02:25 PM
You couldn't trust that Binocular at all. One minute Frank Berry is saying he's catching pigeons on the gallops at Lambourn and the next Henderson is worried about the ground and his fitness etc. Strange animal.

Kauto Star will probably win by default such is the weakness of the opposition. Why they didn't reopen the entries I don't know. He's not for me odds on but he's miles clear on ORs. Part of me would like to see him beaten so we're not subjected to another nauseating Nicholls/C4/RP love in - the amount of nonsense spouted about Denman pre and post Hennessy would drive people up the wall. Being greedy I'd hate to see him eclipse the great Desert Orchid.

Think I'll stick with the Naas card tomorrow. The Gigginstown horse in the first should be a decent e/w bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 14, 2011, 06:13:44 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2011, 06:02:25 PM
You couldn't trust that Binocular at all. One minute Frank Berry is saying he's catching pigeons on the gallops at Lambourn and the next Henderson is worried about the ground and his fitness etc. Strange animal.

Kauto Star will probably win by default such is the weakness of the opposition. Why they didn't reopen the entries I don't know. He's not for me odds on but he's miles clear on ORs. Part of me would like to see him beaten so we're not subjected to another nauseating Nicholls/C4/RP love in - the amount of nonsense spouted about Denman pre and post Hennessy would drive people up the wall. Being greedy I'd hate to see him eclipse the great Desert Orchid.

Think I'll stick with the Naas card tomorrow. The Gigginstown horse in the first should be a decent e/w bet.

Which one is it DH?

Can't seem to see it  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2011, 06:18:28 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 14, 2011, 06:13:44 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2011, 06:02:25 PM
You couldn't trust that Binocular at all. One minute Frank Berry is saying he's catching pigeons on the gallops at Lambourn and the next Henderson is worried about the ground and his fitness etc. Strange animal.

Kauto Star will probably win by default such is the weakness of the opposition. Why they didn't reopen the entries I don't know. He's not for me odds on but he's miles clear on ORs. Part of me would like to see him beaten so we're not subjected to another nauseating Nicholls/C4/RP love in - the amount of nonsense spouted about Denman pre and post Hennessy would drive people up the wall. Being greedy I'd hate to see him eclipse the great Desert Orchid.

Think I'll stick with the Naas card tomorrow. The Gigginstown horse in the first should be a decent e/w bet.

Which one is it DH?

Can't seem to see it  ???

The name escapes me at the moment but he'a a big Milan gelding. Mike Hourigan trains it and I presume Russell will be up. He bolted up in a p2p at Dromohane and won a decent Fairyhouse bumper last year. He had a nice pipe opener at Fairyhouse on New Years Day and should strip a lot fitter here.

Edit - horse is called Crash. It's a hot little maiden hurdle especially for this time of year but he's the sort of horse that Gigginstown excel with.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on January 14, 2011, 06:46:29 PM
Cheers lads and DH, think i may keep my money in my pocket for Binocular now.

I'll take your advice on Crash and see how i get on, you've seldom let us down before. As a non-to-regular poster but longtime reader i always give you're posts careful consideration- most of my big race winnings are down to you if im honest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 14, 2011, 08:14:00 PM
Think Kyber Kim looks a great bet 2mrw. Can't have Binocular on soft ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on January 14, 2011, 08:25:28 PM
I'll be at Kempton myself tomorrow. Kauto should win but wont be carrying my money ..will check Mccoy in telegraph in morning ...in the meantime Barry G on his rides

www.attheraces.com/barry

QuoteIm very hopeful that A MEDIA LUZ has turned the corner having settled so well at Newbury when she was second to Grandouet. She should handle soft ok on her French form I'll be looking from the unraced brigade of Nicholls and Pipe to provide the dangers.

If I had to sort out my best ride of the day it would be NAYIDA DE LA VEGA in the two-mile novices' chase.

I'm well aware that she's in with some 140-rated performers but she's getting 11lb from them and couldn't have been more impressive when she won on her chase debut at Warwick — a track that really takes some jumping for experienced chasers let alone a novice.

She handles soft ground very well and I'd be very keen on her chance.

I don't know a great deal about CHABLAIS in the two mile five novice hurdle apart from the fact that he was well fancied for his debut at Bangor which was called off last week. This is harder but I doubt Nicky would be sending him if he didn't expect a very bold show. The danger might well be The Reformer of Paul Nicholls.

I reckon that SKINT will leave his Plumpton second behind in the two-mile handicap hurdle. He was a bit disappointing when he was beaten by Jetnova last month but it was a time when a few of the horses weren't quite firing and I think he was one of them. The drop back to two miles won't hurt either because he's versatile.

POLYFAST has top-weight in the two and a half mile handicap chase and don't be put off because he's having his first run since July because he's pretty good fresh. I'd be a bit more concerned if the ground was very soft but he does like Kempton and he'd be a contender.

FIRST POINT is definitely going to be suited by the step up to two miles five in the Lanzarote Handicap Hurdle. It didn't really happen for him over fences but he showed what he's capable of on softish ground when he was sixth in the Totesport Trophy at Newbury last February and he's 3lb lower now. To me he's always ridden like a horse that would be better over further.

One that I'll be keeping an eye on is Barwell Bridge who was second to me on Spirit River over three at Cheltenham last time and will appreciate the drop. And Drill Sergeant looks nicely treated, bang on 10st.

I've only got one ride at Fairyhouse on Sunday, OUR GIRL SATURDAY, and I will be very disappointed if I don't make the short trip back to my home for Sunday lunch without a win. She's pretty talented.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on January 15, 2011, 01:08:07 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2011, 06:59:44 PM
Hard to know where they'll go with Sizing Europe. Not a lot of options for him between now and March and I'm not certain the Hennessy would suit him. My guess is they'll go for the Kinloch Brae over two and a half at Thurles or the Red Mills Trial at Gowran and then on to the Gold Cup. I've never been a massive fan of the animal but he probably has a better chance in this Gold Cup than he does taking on Big Zeb & Master Minded. He does fit the trends - second season chaser unexposed at the trip.

Nothing really jumps off the page looking at the entries. Pride Of Dulcote and China Rock make most appeal to me at the moment unless Pandorama was to get his ground.

Are you Tom Segal?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: aontroim on January 15, 2011, 11:54:15 AM
I've been getting spammed recently with text messages containing racing tips - having checked up on them it seems there is something to them.  Most have won so heres what was send this morning;

12,45 Lingfield - No 11 Edgeworth E/W bet  was 11/2 (now 4/1)

All betting at your own risk  :D i'm only relaying information i don't want!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 15, 2011, 12:27:58 PM
Would like to see Forpadytheplasterer run a big race today as I have a few bob on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 15, 2011, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 15, 2011, 12:27:58 PM
Would like to see Forpadytheplasterer run a big race today as I have a few bob on him.

Hard to know if he'll make the step up to 3m sammy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2011, 12:31:11 PM
The money seems to be coming for Kybher Kim in the Christmas Hurdle. I think I'd prefer to oppose Binocular with Starluck. I've seen comment that the ground is against him but it was identical last year when he was only beaten a short head by Go Native.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 15, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Have a small Yankee on with Nadiya De La Vega, Khyber Kim, Crash and Kauto!

One up three to go!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 15, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 15, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Have a small Yankee on with Nadiya De La Vega, Khyber Kim, Crash and Kauto!

One up three to go!

I reckon Binocular's gonna piddle all over them today,blew out the cobwebs last time out!Hope Khyber Kim etc. get gambled so i can get a tasty price!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2011, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 15, 2011, 01:08:07 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2011, 06:59:44 PM
Hard to know where they'll go with Sizing Europe. Not a lot of options for him between now and March and I'm not certain the Hennessy would suit him. My guess is they'll go for the Kinloch Brae over two and a half at Thurles or the Red Mills Trial at Gowran and then on to the Gold Cup. I've never been a massive fan of the animal but he probably has a better chance in this Gold Cup than he does taking on Big Zeb & Master Minded. He does fit the trends - second season chaser unexposed at the trip.

Nothing really jumps off the page looking at the entries. Pride Of Dulcote and China Rock make most appeal to me at the moment unless Pandorama was to get his ground.

Are you Tom Segal?

He's way too interested in 30 runner flat sprint handicaps to be me. The value has now gone from Pride Of Dulcote thanks to him so I'm scratching him from my possible ante-post shortlist.

Hope ye all took the advice to back Crash e/w! He seemed to get hampered at the last flight down the back and it knocked his confidence just as the race was developing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2011, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 15, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 15, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Have a small Yankee on with Nadiya De La Vega, Khyber Kim, Crash and Kauto!

One up three to go!

I reckon Binocular's gonna piddle all over them today,blew out the cobwebs last time out!Hope Khyber Kim etc. get gambled so i can get a tasty price!

Can't see him going much longer than the 11/4 currently available. Ladbrokes have a 11/2 enhanced Kauto / Binocular double available in the shops a friend of mine was telling me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: aontroim on January 15, 2011, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: aontroim on January 15, 2011, 11:54:15 AM
I've been getting spammed recently with text messages containing racing tips - having checked up on them it seems there is something to them.  Most have won so heres what was send this morning;

12,45 Lingfield - No 11 Edgeworth E/W bet  was 11/2 (now 4/1)

All betting at your own risk  :D i'm only relaying information i don't want!

Hopefully no one listened to that 'advice' was well off the pace.  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on January 15, 2011, 02:47:35 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2011, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 15, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 15, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Have a small Yankee on with Nadiya De La Vega, Khyber Kim, Crash and Kauto!

One up three to go!

I reckon Binocular's gonna piddle all over them today,blew out the cobwebs last time out!Hope Khyber Kim etc. get gambled so i can get a tasty price!

Can't see him going much longer than the 11/4 currently available. Ladbrokes have a 11/2 enhanced Kauto / Binocular double available in the shops a friend of mine was telling me.

hopefully it comes up, did the double in Toals earlier. Got Binnocular at 11-4 and Kauto at 4-6, think that works out slightly better.  Shouldnt be trying to work it out untill the race is over though :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on January 15, 2011, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on January 15, 2011, 02:47:35 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2011, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 15, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 15, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Have a small Yankee on with Nadiya De La Vega, Khyber Kim, Crash and Kauto!

One up three to go!

I reckon Binocular's gonna piddle all over them today,blew out the cobwebs last time out!Hope Khyber Kim etc. get gambled so i can get a tasty price!

Can't see him going much longer than the 11/4 currently available. Ladbrokes have a 11/2 enhanced Kauto / Binocular double available in the shops a friend of mine was telling me.

hopefully it comes up, did the double in Toals earlier. Got Binnocular at 11-4 and Kauto at 4-6, think that works out slightly better.  Shouldnt be trying to work it out untill the race is over though :-X

good bet. good luck!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 02:55:52 PM
Immaculate round of hurdling from Binocular, he's so economical when he leaves the ground. Then to turn it on in the straight like he did, equine poetry really.

Mouth-watering the idea of him clashing with Hurricane Fly at Cheltenham.

Two excellent hurdlers but I give Binocular a slight advantage in this department.

And two speed merchants too with a small favour towards Hurricane Fly.

Cannot see anything challenging the two of them at Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2011, 03:08:58 PM
Retirement beckons. No point in flogging the horse around Cheltenham now. Good show from the winner - not sure he's a Gold Cup horse though. Some day for Henderson.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DirtyDozen12 on January 15, 2011, 03:09:28 PM
He had to lose sometime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on January 15, 2011, 03:11:29 PM
f*** that
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 03:20:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2011, 03:08:58 PM
Retirement beckons. No point in flogging the horse around Cheltenham now. Good show from the winner - not sure he's a Gold Cup horse though. Some day for Henderson.

Bit of an over-reaction.

Ground was against Kauto today, read a few quotes around the place that it'd suit him, but he got in close to the 3rd, 4th and 5th and we knew then that he has having trouble jumping out of it.

Wouldn't write him off yet. Proper preparation for the Gold Cup and decent ground should bring out the real Kauto. Of course, his best days are probably behind him. But don't think that's enough reason to retire him. And Nicholls is too game to throw in the towel after that.

My guess is the Gold Cup then the Whitbread Gold Cup, after which I guess they may call it a day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on January 15, 2011, 03:21:24 PM
Maybe a bug going about the Nicholls stable?

Still fancy KS for the gold cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 03:20:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2011, 03:08:58 PM
Retirement beckons. No point in flogging the horse around Cheltenham now. Good show from the winner - not sure he's a Gold Cup horse though. Some day for Henderson.

Bit of an over-reaction.

Ground was against Kauto today, read a few quotes around the place that it'd suit him, but he got in close to the 3rd, 4th and 5th and we knew then that he has having trouble jumping out of it.

Wouldn't write him off yet. Proper preparation for the Gold Cup and decent ground should bring out the real Kauto. Of course, his best days are probably behind him. But don't think that's enough reason to retire him. And Nicholls is too game to throw in the towel after that.

My guess is the Gold Cup then the Whitbread Gold Cup, after which I guess they may call it a day.

Disagree completely. When a horse regresses it usually happens very quickly and dramatically - Moscow Flyer and Istabraq being prime examples. Kauto Star is an 11yo French bred with many miles on the clock. I can't see any reason why he'll beat Imperial Commander who is now a superior horse - based on Haydock & Cheltenham form last year. Plenty of the younger unexposed brigade will be in there pitching as well.

Kempton has always been Kauto Star's track. Anywhere near his best and he'd have won today regardless of the ground. He's won on heavy going before so I'm not sure that is any excuse. If they have the best interests of the horse at heart they'll retire him. The Gold Cup is a brutal race and I think they'd be very foolish to risk a great horse for third or fourth prize-money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 03:47:16 PM
Perhaps, perhaps. But really what's the risk? Might finish third/fourth, dent his reputation a bit. Might also win. That's the height of it. Very small chance he might fall too and do harm. But he's a horse, a gelded one, and it's a risk you take every time you put a saddle on one.

Also, I've believed for some time now that the neccessity of good ground to Kauto Star has been under-estimated. As he's got older, this need has been exaggerated. He just does not jump as well when it's slow, at times struggling to leave the ground and getting in close to fences. He'll get it better at Cheltenham and the extra trip will help too.

And finally, I'd wonder what inconvience the three week delay caused? Yes, it was the same for all horses but Long Run is 6, Kauto is 11. As a true champion, at his age, I don't think he'll have appreciated being messed around like he was.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 15, 2011, 06:47:50 PM
the extra trip surely wont help given that an easy 3 miles around kempton was his optimum distance and the three weeks argument is a non starter, the opposite approach could just as easily be taken, kauto is eleven, a three week break shouldnt affect his preparations too much while long run is an inexperienced six year old who could have been thrown off by the delay
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on January 15, 2011, 09:38:54 PM
A very fine days racing at Kempton. Kauto is a legend but the stats were against him.  The horse is just too old now .... Henderson had some day and after a patchy start to 2010/11 looks to have his stable in top nick ( Warwick misfortunes apart :(  )  ...can he get them to peak again in March ?

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on January 15, 2011, 06:47:50 PM
the extra trip surely wont help given that an easy 3 miles around kempton was his optimum distance and the three weeks argument is a non starter, the opposite approach could just as easily be taken, kauto is eleven, a three week break shouldnt affect his preparations too much while long run is an inexperienced six year old who could have been thrown off by the delay

Nicholls confirmed my thoughts after the race by saying the extra distance of the Gold Cup will suit.

As you say yourself, Kauto is eleven years of age, he's not regressing so much as he is just losing a bit of his speed. He was running on again before the mistake at the second last, probably wasn't going to catch the winner but looked booked for a decent second.

On the point of the three week delay, your argument is not too succinctly made. Like people, horses get fussy as they get older. Kauto's internal clock is set for December 26th, he was trained up for the race of his life and suddenly, he's given a week long break before Nicholls begins to wind it up again with the intense training. We're not suggesting this as a cause for defeat but I think it's quite likely the three week delay is going to cause more inconvience to an older horse than a young one. At least that would seem obvious to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2011, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 03:47:16 PM
Perhaps, perhaps. But really what's the risk? Might finish third/fourth, dent his reputation a bit. Might also win. That's the height of it. Very small chance he might fall too and do harm. But he's a horse, a gelded one, and it's a risk you take every time you put a saddle on one.

Granted the risk is small but it is accentuated in a brutal race like the Gold Cup and for a horse like Kauto Star who can clout one. If he had made the mistake he made at the second last today at the fence coming down the hill at Cheltenham (much stiffer fences compared to Kempton) he'd end up on his neck for the second year running. I'm sure connections of Dorans Pride thought there was little risk in bringing him back to Cheltenham for one last hurrah and look at how that worked out.

I really can't see the horse coming close to winning at Cheltenham and he's nothing left to prove now anyway having already won the Gold Cup twice. Retiring him now would be the wise decision instead of asking the horse to go to the well once more.

Quote from: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
As you say yourself, Kauto is eleven years of age, he's not regressing so much as he is just losing a bit of his speed. He was running on again before the mistake at the second last, probably wasn't going to catch the winner but looked booked for a decent second.

One and the same. When a horse regresses their cruising speed reduces. The same thing happened Moscow Flyer and Istabraq. Moscow Flyer was the best two mile chaser I've ever seen but in his last season as a 12yo he could barely keep up with the likes of Fota Island, Central House and Hi Cloy - horses he'd have laughed at a year or two previously. Istabraq was a 3/4 brother to Secreto but, as a 10yo with many miles on the clock, he simply couldn't go the clip they went in the 2002 Champion Hurdle.

It's remarkable tha Kauto Star has been at the top for so long given that he is a French bred. French bred horses usually hit their peak between the ages of 7-8. Irish breds tend to mature later and hold their form longer. Kauto Star is 11 now and it's 42 years since a horse that age won the Cheltenham Gold Cup. It would be madness having another crack at it IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 11:26:53 PM
Regression might also imply a reversal in stamina, strength, jumping and interest. That's my own interpretation of the word anyway, not sure if it applies solely to speed. Poor Kauto, he's not as fast as he once was but I still think he enjoys it as much as ever, stays just as well and given the benefit of the doubt (on account of today's ground), jumps. Hence, my suggestion that it's his slowing down that now hinders him, not a reduction in overall ability.

As for the Gold Cup itself, I certainly give him a chance. A case of emotion ruling head, maybe, but I've seen this horse prove his critics wrong too often to accept that he's finished winning due to a third place in the King George. I also think they'll go to Sandown following the Gold Cup, for a tilt at the Withbread Gold Cup. The only thing that might sway that opinion was if Kauto actually won at Cheltenham and the desire to go out on a high became too much.

Out of interest, what do you like for the Gold Cup?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
I'd be very surprised if Kauto didn't at least try to defy the sands of time in March. For sentimental reasons I'd love to see him try though I understand DH's point and would be devestated if anything were to happen to a truely wonderful animal. The jockey issue is very interesting now. On 2010 form, Ruby must surely favour Denman to the Great One.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2011, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 11:26:53 PM
Out of interest, what do you like for the Gold Cup?

I don't have a strong opinion on the Gold Cup at this time but I would want to be against both Denman and Kauto Star. Only seven horses aged 11 and older have won the race. They're both on the downgrade and represent poor value mainly due to their previous achievements. Imperial Commander is only one year younger but he does have far less miles on the clock. I wouldn't be too keen on him at the price but I'd be confident he'll beat the two Nicholls horses.

If I was guaranteed the race would be run on soft ground than I'd be very keen on Pandorama at 16s but at this stage he's a doubtful runner. Can't have either Diamond Harry or Long Run at the track - both having been well beaten in big races there twice. I'd still have major reservations about Waley-Cohen as well even after today. I don't think he's a particularly good amateur compared to the likes of the McNamaras, Jamie Codd, Derek O'Connor, Nina etc and the horse won in spite of him today.

Pride Of Dulcote has a very nice profile and has good festival form having ran second behind Weapons Amnesty in the three mile novice hurdle a few years back. Pricewise but him up a few days ago though and any value that was there seems to have disappeared. I think China Rock is overpriced at 66/1. I know it sounds a bit hypocritical because he was 4L behind Kauto Star at Down Royal but this horse needs the ground like a road to be at his best and it was like a bog that day. He's ran very well at the last two festivals and he was improving in the autumn at a rate of knots. I like the fact that Mouse has put him away (as he did with War Of Attrition in 2006) and he's sure to be primed for targets in the spring. I very much doubt he'll win the race but at the prices I think he's the best value bet at present.

At this stage I see Imperial Commander as the most likely winner but I wouldn't be breaking down the door to the bookies to take 7/2 when realistically he'll probably be available at no shorter than 11/4 or 5/2 if he turns up fit and well in March.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2011, 11:59:25 PM
Just an observation on the time of the race today - it was run in a time 4 seconds quicker than last year's race so that would suggest anyway that the ground was at least as soft, if not softer, when Kauto Star won the race by a distance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 16, 2011, 02:12:29 AM
R Walsh reckoned the ground was just a tad better than last year.

I think that is the end of Kauto as a major player myself but he wil probably be thrown into the mix for the Gold Cup. IMO the horse should be retired, by christ he's earned it. Despite costing me a fortune today i am willing to forgive him and wish him all the best.

One positive that will come out of his presence at cheltenham will be that the punters may get slightly bigger prices on the younger horses as there will always be money for both Denman and Kauto . I will be looking elsewhere and opposing Imperial commander
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 16, 2011, 11:55:37 AM
Chino valdes e/w 1.40 fairyhouse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 16, 2011, 12:54:06 PM
Paul Nicholls is in defiant mood today. Reports that Kauto Star will be back in the Autumn for a third James Nicholson Champion Chase. Main aim for now though is to once again regain the Totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup. "As long as he is enjoying his racing and running well, then he will continue - he is 11, not 13."

I agree with these sentiments and admire the gameness of connections.

He also points out that for the first time in 36 races, Kauto Star bled but he dosen't think that was a cause for defeat.

I'd also take on board the comments above that the ground wasn't as slow as I first believed, and accept that for some other reason (regression as some may call it), Kauto's jumping let him down at times. Still though, I can't help but think he's overpriced for the Gold Cup. In his favour, will be the reunion with Ruby Walsh, longer trip, more routine-like preparation, and possible better ground. Also if you believe the bleeding had an effect, then there's that too as well as the fact that the Nicholls stable is out of form at present.

Yesterday was the first time, the horse finished outside the first two (when completing) since joining Paul Nicholls. It may be so that he under-performed just like he did in the 2006 Champion Chase, the 2007 Aon Chase, the 2008 Betfair Bowl and the 2008 Betfair Chase. He bounced back from those faux-pas, why not again? We were told by so-called experts back then, that the horse would never get the Gold Cup trip and later we were reminded he was French bred, and that this somehow implied he'd never win a race past the age of 8. I think the horse is at least, owed the chance to answer his critics - God knows he's answered them enough times in the past.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 16, 2011, 08:35:04 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on January 15, 2011, 09:47:20 PM

On the point of the three week delay, your argument is not too succinctly made.


Insult my wordsiness then..haha

rubi light made it difficult enough for golden silver then, mullins thinks he could be a ryanair horse, hasnt performed at all well at cheltenham before but seems to have improved this season
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 16, 2011, 09:16:42 PM
Townend thinks they've been riding Golden Silver wrong at Cheltenham. He reckons the horse is much better held up and that they've been making far too much use of him over in England where they go like sh1t off a shovel up front with brainless muppets like Tom Scudamore always forcing a suicidal pace. It'll be interesting to see if those tactics pay off because he proved at Punchestown that he's far from a mud lark and he can handle good ground. I think he's a solid wager at 16s for the Ryanair. Mullins holds a very strong hand with J'y Vole a likely runner as well.

As for the Kauto Star story today, Nicholls is full of sh1t as always. Before the race he was harping on to anyone who'd listen about how Clifford Baker thought the horse was better than ever. Post-race the horse has lost some of its speed and he's not getting any younger. He always has a littany of excuses when one of his better horses gets beaten. He never seems to just take it on the chin and move on. Every time the man farts between now and Cheltenham the Racing Post will run a four page spread on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 19, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
Been told to be with Penny Max in the 2.05 was 11/4 a little earlier

pure mucky dog shite  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 20, 2011, 12:14:15 PM
Any fancies today?  Magic of the sea won quite easily last time out so I'll have a few quid on that in the 3.50 i think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 20, 2011, 12:36:34 PM
Big gamble on Pipe's in the bumper at Taunton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 20, 2011, 12:40:20 PM
Which one  ???

He has three in it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 20, 2011, 12:47:45 PM
Only has one down the bottom - Bathwick Brave.

I'm not one for backing big on unraced bumper horses but he gets all the allowances as a 4yo and wouldn't have to be anything special to win this race. Old man Pipe used to always bring out his good young horses at Taunton. Added bonus of Johnny Farrelly on board with Scudamore sidelined at the moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 20, 2011, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 20, 2011, 12:36:34 PM
Big gamble on Pipe's in the bumper at Taunton

Well spotted Dh.I'll chance it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on January 20, 2011, 01:21:56 PM
Might do Moore's each way in the 13.30
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 20, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
Bit of word going about town for orpens peach!Might be worth small e/w bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 20, 2011, 05:09:02 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 20, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
Bit of word going about town for orpens peach!Might be worth small e/w bet

You wee beauty Beer Baron!! 

12-1 Winner!  10 E/W on it!!

Edit:  Duly Ammended!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 20, 2011, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: Joxer on January 20, 2011, 05:09:02 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 20, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
Bit of word going about town for orpens peach!Might be worth small e/w bet

You wee beauty Beer Bacon!! 

12-1 Winner!  10 E/W on it!!

I give ya a winning tip and you call me bacon!What would you call me if it lost  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 21, 2011, 10:52:32 AM
orpens peach down to run again today at wolvs 4.35
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 21, 2011, 11:36:58 AM
Quote from: beer baron on January 21, 2011, 10:52:32 AM
orpens peach down to run again today at wolvs 4.35

Fair play on the tip yesterday, didnt get it in time unfortunately.
It wil hardly run again today??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Up The Middle on January 21, 2011, 11:45:31 AM
Off cousre it won, you know why, cause i didnt f**king back it. ???

Have to say i take a look at this page regularly and it amazes me how much Baron and Donnellys know about horses and racing, it really is a science, as opposed to clowns like me who couldnt pick their nose.

Keep the tips coming lads.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 21, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 21, 2011, 11:36:58 AM
Quote from: beer baron on January 21, 2011, 10:52:32 AM
orpens peach down to run again today at wolvs 4.35

Fair play on the tip yesterday, didnt get it in time unfortunately.
It wil hardly run again today??

I'd say there's a good chance it will!Wasn't overly hard worked yesterday!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 22, 2011, 08:20:53 AM
Any thoughts on today's racing lads? Is Gowran Park going ahead?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 13aside on January 22, 2011, 09:01:28 AM
c4 says gowran park off
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 22, 2011, 10:49:44 AM
Yeah Gowrans off apparently -7 overnight so ground'll be like concrete all day!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Big Puff on January 22, 2011, 10:50:19 AM
Masterminded a cert today!!

haydock park called off!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 22, 2011, 12:42:14 PM
Quote from: Big Puff on January 22, 2011, 10:50:19 AM
Masterminded a cert today!!

haydock park called off!

No such thing as a cert,the ground i'd say will be soft or heavy despite the good to soft i think they're reporting at the minute.I'll have a very small e/w bet on kalahari king at 20/1 for interest couldn't be having Masterminded at them odds at all!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 22, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Devon Native looks a good each way bet in the 2.50
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 22, 2011, 01:52:15 PM
Notus De La Tour e/w in the 2:55. Can't see him being out of the three off a very lenient mark.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 22, 2011, 02:38:01 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 22, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Devon Native looks a good each way bet in the 2.50

Ah now Sammy if both of us have backed this it's a cert  to come nowhere!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Big Puff on January 22, 2011, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 22, 2011, 01:52:15 PM
Notus De La Tour e/w in the 2:55. Can't see him being out of the three off a very lenient mark.

wasnt in it at all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 22, 2011, 03:18:32 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 22, 2011, 02:38:01 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 22, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Devon Native looks a good each way bet in the 2.50

Ah now Sammy if both of us have backed this it's a cert  to come nowhere!

Yep, 15th was nowhere   >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on January 22, 2011, 11:47:48 PM
Met Éireann have issued a warning to those heading to Leopardstown tomorrow. Although confident of beating the frost, theyre predicting a Hurricane followed by a Cyclone. Whooooshh!!
;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 23, 2011, 07:25:34 PM
Have to admit I was a bit underwhelmed by Hurricane Fly today. I thought he might have lengthened a bit more when Townend gave him a few reminders but he didn't really pull away from Solwhit. Maybe he was feeling the cut on his heel?

I still reckon he's the one they'll all have to beat in 51 days time but I would have liked to see him really stretch away once the stick came out because no horse will win the Champion Hurdle on the bridle - Carberry and Harchibald proved that in '05.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 25, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
See Pandorama is rated at 50?50 for Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 25, 2011, 11:39:17 AM
Quote from: Joxer on January 25, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
See Pandorama is rated at 50?50 for Cheltenham.

There goes any remote Irish chance of landing the Gold Cup. Real shame as he was shaping up to be the strongest challenger since War Of Attrition. When you look at the Irish runners since 2006 they really are a mediocre bunch:

2007
Cane Brake - decent handicapper
Forget The Past - not without talent at his best but very fragile horse
Beef Or Salmon - high class in his prime but gone by '07 and never acted at Cheltenham anyway

2008
Afistfullofdollars - running down the field in p2ps these days for John Halley!

2009
No Irish runner

2010
Cooldine - good winner of the RSA chase but clearly not the same horse since


That's a very poor reflection on Irish racing. Surely with all the class chasers we breed and run in points over here, we should be doing better than that. With the arse falling out of the economy the small man can't compete so we'll have to rely on O'Leary to keep top class staying chasers in Ireland. JP is more interested in buying off the flat and from bumpers. The 2015, 2016, 2017 etc. Gold Cup winners are probably stood in a field somewhere in this country at the moment waiting to run in a maiden point. Very likely that they'll be running for English yards and owners in the years to come though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 25, 2011, 04:44:50 PM
I see Voy Por Ustedes has transferred in the January Transfer window from the Alan King yard to Nicky Hendersons!  Fee Undisclosed!  ;D

Some move though and surely should be looked out for now as he was a very decent horse in Kings yard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on January 27, 2011, 09:13:50 AM
This has prob already been discussed on the board but who do you reckon the best tipster is for nags and other sports. I've been keeping an eye on derek mcgovern in the mirror for a while now and he must be the worst tipster I have ever heard!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 27, 2011, 12:01:05 PM
Any sound betting propostions at Thurles today fella's.

Been given Full of Joy 3.25 Warwick....McCoy mounts it so im wary! 3/1 at the minute.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2011, 12:08:12 PM
Most tipsters are useless. There are a select few that are excellent but their selections will be overbet and therefore won't be value bets. Always trust your own judgement and don't let anyone else put you off.

Difficult card today. I've backed Jy Vole and For Bill to very small stakes. Looking forward to seeing how this Maxim Gorky handles hurdling given how well related he is (his dam is a sister to the mighty Urban Sea I think - dam of Sea The Stars and Galileo). Storming Gale was one of the most impressive p2p winners last year and he makes his hurdling debut at Ffos Las - could be one for the future.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 27, 2011, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2011, 12:08:12 PM
Most tipsters are useless. There are a select few that are excellent but their selections will be overbet and therefore won't be value bets.

Exactly. I'd go so far as to say there's probably money to be made in laying at least some tipsters' selections because of the effect their tips have on the value. I've often meant to check it out. I did start monitoring the Nap Table (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Naps_Table/) in the Sporting Life one time a couple of years ago. I found the spreadsheet there just now and one thing I was doing was modelling the result of laying at Betfair SP anything that was napped by four or more tipsters. After sixteen days, when I gave up, I was up ten points (13 losers from 20 bets). I must take it up again for fun and see if it holds up long term.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 27, 2011, 12:55:43 PM
Just got text for 1.40 Warwick Shaking Hands. Not had info from this source before, but a Pipe runner that looks attractive.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on January 27, 2011, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on January 27, 2011, 09:13:50 AM
This has prob already been discussed on the board but who do you reckon the best tipster is for nags and other sports. I've been keeping an eye on derek mcgovern in the mirror for a while now and he must be the worst tipster I have ever heard!

neville ring in the irish news is well worth following, he has got me out of some holes. he is great at cheltenham, couple of winners each day at the festival and loads of big money places. he tipped up big zeb last year plus berties dream at 50/1 which bascially covered my betting for the week and left a bit of profit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2011, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2011, 12:08:12 PM
Most tipsters are useless. There are a select few that are excellent but their selections will be overbet and therefore won't be value bets. Always trust your own judgement and don't let anyone else put you off.

Difficult card today. I've backed Jy Vole and For Bill to very small stakes. Looking forward to seeing how this Maxim Gorky handles hurdling given how well related he is (his dam is a sister to the mighty Urban Sea I think - dam of Sea The Stars and Galileo). Storming Gale was one of the most impressive p2p winners last year and he makes his hurdling debut at Ffos Las - could be one for the future.

I'd be interested in Storming Gale's chances should he go for the three mile novice at Cheltenham. I thought that was a very taking performance given how free he was in the early stages. Galloped them silly after the second last.

Maxim Gorky shouldn't be a maiden for too long. Possible prep for the Fred Winter next time out?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 27, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
Anymore fancies today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2011, 03:03:26 PM
I've a small interest in both Jy Vole and For Bill in the next two races at Thurles. Not major fancies, just think they're slightly overpriced given their ability. I'd be more confident in Jy Vole.

Trying to save myself for the weekend. Big Zeb is very tempting at even money for the Tied Cottage. Likewise Punchestowns at 11/4 for the old Pillar Chase on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2011, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2010, 04:01:58 PM
Of course it's freakish weather and we'd have little chance of racing anyway but it still does not excuse the lack of frost covers in this country. When you consider the amount of money that was ploughed into racing during the last ten years the set up at most tracks is still farcical - medical facilities, catering facilities, saunas, covers etc. Have a read of Ruby's book to see how far behind the UK we are over here.

http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=50746 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=50746)

Fair play to Bord Na Móna, Rita Shah and Punchestown. Great to see people showing a bit of initiative with HRI too busy sitting on their fat bonuses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on January 27, 2011, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on January 27, 2011, 12:55:43 PM
Just got text for 1.40 Warwick Shaking Hands. Not had info from this source before, but a Pipe runner that looks attractive.

I'll listen to u nxt time oakleafer!!!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 27, 2011, 04:43:33 PM
How early can you get a list of declarations? I am looking for Ayr on Monday (Although I was told Sunday).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2011, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 27, 2011, 04:43:33 PM
How early can you get a list of declarations? I am looking for Ayr on Monday (Although I was told Sunday).

5 day entries available here:    http://horses.sportinglife.com/Meetings/0,12496,27-01-2011%5E4,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Meetings/0,12496,27-01-2011%5E4,00.html)

Final decs for Monday would be released around 11 am on Sunday morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 27, 2011, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2011, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 27, 2011, 04:43:33 PM
How early can you get a list of declarations? I am looking for Ayr on Monday (Although I was told Sunday).

5 day entries available here:    http://horses.sportinglife.com/Meetings/0,12496,27-01-2011%5E4,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Meetings/0,12496,27-01-2011%5E4,00.html)

Final decs for Monday would be released around 11 am on Sunday morning.

Cheers DH. I know nowt about horses, but a guy has give me 4 tips the last 4 weekends and had 3 winners ranging from 5s to 12s! Another one on way for Monday!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 27, 2011, 05:20:06 PM
Keep us posted NT! ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 28, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Any fancies today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2011, 12:10:39 PM
Looks a very difficult card. Mourad will probably win but I've never liked him. Think he's a soft horse who won't land a blow when upped in class.

Have a small antepost investment on The Midnight Club for the Aintree National. He has more weight than is usually carried to victory in the Thyestes but I think he'll go well today. Looks made for a staying trip and I think Willie is going to lay him out for Liverpool.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 28, 2011, 12:14:07 PM
See money coming in for Gaelic Grounds too,  might do a wee Each Way Double for the interest.  Looks a decent card!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 28, 2011, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2011, 12:10:39 PM
Looks a very difficult card. Mourad will probably win but I've never liked him. Think he's a soft horse who won't land a blow when upped in class.

Have a small antepost investment on The Midnight Club for the Aintree National. He has more weight than is usually carried to victory in the Thyestes but I think he'll go well today. Looks made for a staying trip and I think Willie is going to lay him out for Liverpool.

How do you rate alpha ridge's chance in that race today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 28, 2011, 12:37:49 PM
Joxer,

I got word for Gaelic Grounds this morning!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2011, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 28, 2011, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2011, 12:10:39 PM
Looks a very difficult card. Mourad will probably win but I've never liked him. Think he's a soft horse who won't land a blow when upped in class.

Have a small antepost investment on The Midnight Club for the Aintree National. He has more weight than is usually carried to victory in the Thyestes but I think he'll go well today. Looks made for a staying trip and I think Willie is going to lay him out for Liverpool.

How do you rate alpha ridge's chance in that race today DH?

His form with Pandorama reads well so he certainly has ability but he is still a maiden over fences which suggests he might not be the most genuine. I wouldn't place a huge amount of trust in him tbh.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
That was a fabulous trial for Liverpool from The Midnight Club. Looking forward to seeing the weights come out now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 29, 2011, 02:31:21 PM
What's a 'bumper' race mean in racing terms?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Big Puff on January 29, 2011, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 29, 2011, 02:31:21 PM
What's a 'bumper' race mean in racing terms?

jump horses racing without the hurdles.

to get young horses ready.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2011, 03:48:42 PM
This Grand Crus has improved out of all recognition. I think he'll give Big Bucks a right go.

Lot of money for Tom Cooper's mare in the bumper at Fairyhouse. Sluiced up in a schooling bumper recently beating a well regarded horse of Eoin Griffin's.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 29, 2011, 06:24:57 PM
no reason i can see for big zeb not winning tomorrow, beat golden silver last time out in heavy ground, golden silvers had a hard race since and sizing europe is probably a little below these in terms of class. 8/11 looks generous enough in my view
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
Might be as well off backing him for the Champion Chase before tomorrow. The bookies are sure to shave a point and a bit off that 3/1 after Master Minded's "performance" last weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 29, 2011, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2011, 03:48:42 PM
This Grand Crus has improved out of all recognition. I think he'll give Big Bucks a right go.

Lot of money for Tom Cooper's mare in the bumper at Fairyhouse. Sluiced up in a schooling bumper recently beating a well regarded horse of Eoin Griffin's.

Unbelieveably impressive. That's as taken as I've ever been with a performance. Its difficult to oppose Big Bucks but I think Grands Crus represents slightly better value. I wonder if Punchestowns will revert back to the smaller obstacles for the Festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 29, 2011, 08:27:37 PM
henderson said one more run over fences then theyll decide, reckon big bucks could have done that to todays field if asked to, this years world hurdle cdefnietly looks more competitive, mourad and a fully fit bensalem in the mix too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 29, 2011, 08:38:19 PM
It'd be great if Mullins would aim Quevga for the World Hurdle too. She holds an entry though last I heard Mullins said she'd go to the Mares Hurdle, likely without a run. A very lightly raced animal having only had 2 starts in nearly 2 years.

This week could be the time to get on Hurricane Fly for the Champion Hurdle. Binocular was seriously impressive at Kempton but I wouldn't trust him to repeat that this weekend and a poor performance could see the Hurricane's price trimmed. Can't see it getting any bigger than the 9/2 NRNB with Ladbrokes. I'm seriously contemplating having one of my biggest ever bets on him at that price, possibly even each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2011, 10:58:02 PM
Could be right TAM. If Peddlers Cross was to beat Binocular next Saturday (plausible given that he beat him at Newbury) Hurricane Fly would probably be made fav. Each way is a must - I personally back everything down to 5/2 e/w. Stan James have him at 9/2 and they're paying four places - there might be one of the English better than HF on the day but there'll hardly be four surely? It would be worth opening an account with them solely to avail of that offer.

Quevega will go for the mares race. I suppose it's possible she could run in both if she won easily on the Tuesday but it'd be a massive ask. I think Fiveforthree holds an entry as well and at his best he'd have a squeak. Can't have Mourad at all. Grand Crus could be anything. Big Bucks is clearly a smashing horse but he's beating very little over hurdles. He has a tendency to run in snatches but no horse has been good enough to exploit that yet. If Grand Crus started to pour it on coming down the hill and got Big Bucks at it I could see him winning. My worry would be Tom Scudamore who I don't rate. If Murphy or McCoy were on board than I'd be quite sweet on his chances.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 30, 2011, 02:52:22 PM
peader Miguel 5.15 kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 30, 2011, 05:41:17 PM
burst through to gate, not the 1st time Quinlans tips have did this!! mmh
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 30, 2011, 05:45:57 PM
Some day for Mullins. God when he's on form he really is on form. Golden Silvers win really throws the Champion Chase market wide open.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2011, 06:46:57 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 30, 2011, 05:45:57 PM
Golden Silvers win really throws the Champion Chase market wide open.

I'm not certain it does. I think Willie will stick to the original plan of the Ryanair in which he'd have a massive chance. He's always going to find 2 miles on good ground a bit too lively.

I'd say Murphy will be delighted with Big Zeb. He jumped superbly the whole way. Barry probably got there too soon and the ground wouldn't have been ideal for him. On a line through Sizing Europe/Somersby it was a superior trial than Master Minded ran last weekend. I'm sure that run will leave him spot on now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on January 30, 2011, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2011, 06:46:57 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 30, 2011, 05:45:57 PM
Golden Silvers win really throws the Champion Chase market wide open.

I'm not certain it does. I think Willie will stick to the original plan of the Ryanair in which he'd have a massive chance. He's always going to find 2 miles on good ground a bit too lively.

I'd say Murphy will be delighted with Big Zeb. He jumped superbly the whole way. Barry probably got there too soon and the ground wouldn't have been ideal for him. On a line through Sizing Europe/Somersby it was a superior trial than Master Minded ran last weekend. I'm sure that run will leave him spot on now.

Master Minded 9/4 
Big Zeb  3/1 
Woolcombe Folly  7/1 
Sizing Europe  10/1 
Captain Cee Bee  10/1 
Somersby  10/1 
Tataniano  12/1 
Golden Silver 12/1 
Forpadydeplasterer 20/1 

I know the value is probably gone having been 20/1 before last weekend but I still think Somersby looks good value at 10/1. I was very keen on him for the Arkle last year and I know Captain CB and Sizing Europe beat him I still feel he could be improving.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 30, 2011, 09:10:45 PM
Was just having a nosey on oddschecker there aand i see Hurricane fly's drifting on betfair for the Champion hurdle?  :-\ He's hardly injured again?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 30, 2011, 09:10:45 PM
Was just having a nosey on oddschecker there aand i see Hurricane fly's drifting on betfair for the Champion hurdle?  :-\ He's hardly injured again?

It's not a massive drift at the moment. These moves happen from time to time when someone gets hold of half a rumour.

Worrying, but they normally suspend betting when it's a huge drift.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 30, 2011, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 30, 2011, 09:10:45 PM
Was just having a nosey on oddschecker there aand i see Hurricane fly's drifting on betfair for the Champion hurdle?  :-\ He's hardly injured again?

It's not a massive drift at the moment. These moves happen from time to time when someone gets hold of half a rumour.

Worrying, but they normally suspend betting when it's a huge drift.

Sound job DH!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 30, 2011, 09:51:18 PM
Out to 7/1 I see.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2011, 10:00:11 PM
Corals have suspended betting  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on January 30, 2011, 10:16:17 PM
still a bit to place lay but looks bad. threw some shrapnel at solwhit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 30, 2011, 10:22:52 PM
Binocular was matched at 999/1 about this time last year!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 31, 2011, 01:55:27 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on January 27, 2011, 05:20:06 PM
Keep us posted NT! ;)

Sorry mate. Rubbish price.

Gris Lord at the last at Ayr tommorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2011, 09:12:51 AM
No update yet on HF. No news is good news I suppose.

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 31, 2011, 01:55:27 AM
Gris Lord at the last at Ayr tommorrow.

Hard to see him out of the three. Decent p2p form and a good third in a bumper at DR. Best of luck Norf.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 31, 2011, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2011, 09:12:51 AM
No update yet on HF. No news is good news I suppose.

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 31, 2011, 01:55:27 AM
Gris Lord at the last at Ayr tommorrow.

Hard to see him out of the three. Decent p2p form and a good third in a bumper at DR. Best of luck Norf.

Blitzed. Nowhere. F**king donkey!
Title: Chelt fest stats
Post by: bcarrier on February 01, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Have been follwing Paul jones ( sportspunter01) on twitter . He has a great book for stats every year ....http://www.weatherbysshop.co.uk/acatalog/info_467.html and has been doing a stat a day countdown to the festival . Here is his lot so far ..


Fest 32/73: Bobs Worth new Fav for Neptune but Henderson is 0-21 & just 2 top-tens since 1990! (7th & 5th)
Fest Stat 30/73: First 3 named also have to defy same 20-yr stat of no GC wnr coming off a single start in same season.
Fest Stat 29/73: No Gold Cup winner for 20 years had their last start before Boxing Day. Imp Comm, Denman, Diamond Harry & Midnight Chase?
Fest Stat 28/73: 3/5 winrs of today's 'PP Hogan' at Punch won the Fest X-Country Ch. Race also supplied r/u in '06/7/8.
Fest Stat 27/73: The last 47 RSA winners ran in same calendar yr & just 1 wnr less than 3 chase starts in last 20 yrs.
Fest Stat 26/73: 8/10 Champion Chase winners ran in Tingle Creek. No other Fest race has such high % in last 10 yrs
Fest Stat 25/73: Just 1/22 CH wnrs since '88 ran in last yr's Supreme. Fact Menorah, Dunguib & Oscar W need to overcome
Fest Stat 24/73: Since upped to 3m race in '05 the Cleeve Hdle has featured 3 World Hdle wnrs, 2 seconds and 2 thirds.
Fest Stat 23/73: Of the last 5 years, just 7 of the 32 handicap chases between 2m5f-3m were won by horses under 10/1
Fest Stat 22/73: Since 1988, the Irish Champion Hurdle winner has recorded 5 wins and 3 seconds in the Champion Hurdle.
Fest Stat 21/73: 7 of last 8 Irish-trained winners of the Arkle contested Sunday's Irish Arkle to be staged on Sunday.
Fest Stat 20/73: All 12 winners of the 2 novice h'caps had been beaten on their first 2 starts at their new discipline.
Fest Stat 19/73: Over half of Henderson's 37 Fest wnrs have been over 2m-2m1f & he has 6 ante-post favs in such races
Fest Stat 18/73: Of the last 20 Xmas Hdle winners to run in the Champion Hurdle, only Kribensis has won since Dawn Run.
Fest Stat 17/73: Re the Supreme, NH-breds are taking over lately winning last 3 runnings including 1-2-3-4-5 last 2 yrs
Fest Stat 16/73: Long Run would become the first 6yo to win GC since Mill House though just 3 have tried in last 40yrs.
Fest Stat 15/73: With 18 wins since '77 the Supreme has been by far Ire's most successful race of Fest with 7 more wnrs than any other race.
Fest Stat 14/73: The King George is the best Fest guide since 1989 feat 19 wnrs including the last 3 Ryanair winners.
Fest Stat 13/73: Since Mill House only Dawn Run has won GC with less than 6 runs over fences. D Harry, Dulcote, Rupert?
Fest Stat 12/73: Been argued Fest Bump wnr has poor record at following Fest but 3 wins & 2 places from 11 to return.
Fest Stat 11/73: Since 1980 134 horses under 2/1 with 54 winning (LSP -£6.27) but a +£8.72 LSP if last 10 Fests only.
Fest Stat 10/73: In 6 runnings of Ryanair Chase, course winners made up 49% of field but supplied 91% of winners & 2nds
Fest Stat 9/73: Yesterday's Tolworth Hdle been jt-best nov hdle guide to Fest over last 15 runnings featuring 6 wnrs.
Fest Stat 8/73: All 13 wnrs of Challow Hdle to run in Neptune were beaten, vast majority to front of market. Backspin?
Fest Stat 7/73: The last 8 wnrs of the Arkle & RSA had all won pattern races over hurdles from just 28% representation.
Fest Stat 6/73: Last 16 Champion Hdle wnrs ran during same calendar year. In fact, only 1 of last 27 did not. Menorah?
Fest Stat 5/73:Gold Cup 2nd/3rd favs Kauto & Denman are both 11yr olds & last Gold Cup wnr aged over 10 was 42 yrs ago
Fest Stat 4/73: 6/7 Triumph Hdle wnrs made hurdling debut in Dec/Jan unlike A-P fav Sam Winner. Keep those eyes peeled
Fest Stat 3/73: The 4yo bumper at Leo'towns Xmas Meet was won by 2 Fest Bumpers wnrs on their final outing. Can Bold Optimist make it three?
Fest Stat 2/73: 9/11 Arkle wnrs had hdle rating 142+ & won NovCh by 1st w/e Dec-so few qualify so Fin Rain value at 8s?
Fest Stat 1/73: If Time For Rupert wins RSA he'll be first for 20yrs to spend more than 1 season over hdles 7/2 anyone?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 01, 2011, 05:30:07 PM
Very interesting bcarrier. I wouldn't pay any attention to some of them but there's a few gems in there:

Quote from: bcarrier on February 01, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Fest Stat 1/73: If Time For Rupert wins RSA he'll be first for 20yrs to spend more than 1 season over hdles 7/2 anyone?

Always something I bear in mind when looking at novice chasers. Horses that have spent too long hurdling pick up bad habits.

Quote from: bcarrier on February 01, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Fest Stat 4/73: 6/7 Triumph Hdle wnrs made hurdling debut in Dec/Jan unlike A-P fav Sam Winner. Keep those eyes peeled

Nearly all juveniles come straight off the flat so those that go hurdling before Christmas have been on the go since the previous Spring and they tend to be over the top/exposed by the time Cheltenham comes round.

Quote from: bcarrier on February 01, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Fest Stat 5/73:Gold Cup 2nd/3rd favs Kauto & Denman are both 11yr olds & last Gold Cup wnr aged over 10 was 42 yrs ago

Can't see this stat being broken this year. You've got to take both horses on despite what they've done in the past. They're not capable of running up to that form again.

Quote from: bcarrier on February 01, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Fest Stat 32/73: Bobs Worth new Fav for Neptune but Henderson is 0-21 & just 2 top-tens since 1990! (7th & 5th)

I'd always be wary of Henderson's novice hurdlers. They tend to be talked up to the hilt. Aigle D'or was supposed to be the second coming and he was stuffed. Amaretto Rose went off a ridiculously short price for the Supreme and she didn't land a blow. Bobs Worth is a nice horse with good course form but that form is suspect IMO. They went no gallop early on and the clown riding the second horse had a shocker. I think First Lieutenant is a stonking good bet in that race at a much bigger price. Form is staking up very nicely with Hidden Cyclone winning a Grade 2 since. Expect Zaidpour will give it another boost on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 02, 2011, 10:21:32 AM
What has happened to that Cooldine that ran away with the RSA a couple of seasons back ?

Would Joncol be worth ew stab in the gold cup ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2011, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: maddog on February 02, 2011, 10:21:32 AM
What has happened to that Cooldine that ran away with the RSA a couple of seasons back ?

Would Joncol be worth ew stab in the gold cup ?

The RSA bottomed out Cooldine like it had done to many good horses in the past. It's a brutal race for a novice. He's only been a shell of a horse since. It wouldn't surprise me if he won a Grade 1 again in the future but that win promised so much more.

Joncol is doubtful to go to Cheltenham. I'm not sure he'd get 3m2 either. He was running on empty in the 2009 Lexus after the last when they rode him handy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 02, 2011, 11:03:03 AM
QuoteQuote from: bcarrier on February 01, 2011, 09:22:34 AM

    Fest Stat 32/73: Bobs Worth new Fav for Neptune but Henderson is 0-21 & just 2 top-tens since 1990! (7th & 5th)


I'd always be wary of Henderson's novice hurdlers. They tend to be talked up to the hilt. Aigle D'or was supposed to be the second coming and he was stuffed. Amaretto Rose went off a ridiculously short price for the Supreme and she didn't land a blow. Bobs Worth is a nice horse with good course form but that form is suspect IMO. They went no gallop early on and the clown riding the second horse had a shocker. I think First Lieutenant is a stonking good bet in that race at a much bigger price. Form is staking up very nicely with Hidden Cyclone winning a Grade 2 since. Expect Zaidpour will give it another boost on Sunday.

Bobs Worth is a poor price imo .. he is improving but they seemed surprised at the weekend and horse ranked behind Chablais and Minella Class  in betting before that. Agree about FL.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2011, 11:42:19 AM
If there's one trainer I'd pick to get a novice absolutely spot on for Cheltenham it would be Mouse Morris. War Of Attrition, Venalmar and China Rock all ran crackers in their respective novice hurdles there at huge prices - (33/1 2nd, 11/1 2nd, 25/1 4th).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 02, 2011, 02:17:42 PM
You fancy anything today in Down Royal DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 02, 2011, 02:19:38 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2011, 11:42:19 AM
If there's one trainer I'd pick to get a novice absolutely spot on for Cheltenham it would be Mouse Morris. War Of Attrition, Venalmar and China Rock all ran crackers in their respective novice hurdles there at huge prices - (33/1 2nd, 11/1 2nd, 25/1 4th).

Is it the Neptune First Lietenant will be targetting do ya reckon??
He is currently 12/1 with PP.  :o
People must have been impressed with Rock on Ruby on Saturday. He has gone from 20s into 8s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2011, 02:49:49 PM
Probably run in the Neptune:

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/01/25/RACING_Lieutenant.html (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/01/25/RACING_Lieutenant.html)

Rock On Ruby should have won on Saturday. Skelton (who is a very average jockey) dropped his whip and Geraghty's strength got Bobs Worth home.

If I was having a bet at Down Royal I'd back Flycorn e/w in the bumper. It's poor enough fare though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 02, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/02/02/manual_115911.html&BID=465

Entries for the National out today. As Nicholls had warned, no Denman amongst the entries.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 05, 2011, 09:07:36 AM
Any fancies today? I've a few quid on Alfie Spinner.

When is Ruby expected back?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 05, 2011, 11:00:43 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 05, 2011, 09:07:36 AM
Any fancies today? I've a few quid on Alfie Spinner.

When is Ruby expected back?

Lingfield 2.55 desert icon i expect to win,just a fancy!It should've won last time out but was given an attrocious ride and still nearly got up!Problem is it's same jockey aboard again but she can't be as bad again? ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on February 05, 2011, 11:09:57 AM
Captain Chis in 2.25 at Sandown seems to be getting well talked up and betted this morning! Backed from 7s to 4s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 05, 2011, 11:13:59 AM
Ruby expectd back end of the month!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on February 05, 2011, 12:53:06 PM
my bet for today was an each way double on:

Prince Tom @ 14-1   3pm Sandown
Theatrical Moment @ 13-2   3.35 Sandown
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Abble on February 05, 2011, 02:55:38 PM
question re: telextext  and ante-post prices

all you punters - my dad likes his horseracing and liked getting on to the channel 4 teletext for his ante-post betting and all that. there must've been some change across teletext services as he cant find his ante-post pricing anywhere now....is it on there anywhere do yis know ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2011, 08:24:02 PM
Doesn't look too positive for racing going ahead tomorrow. Pity, because it's a fine card.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 06, 2011, 10:09:55 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2011, 08:24:02 PM
Doesn't look too positive for racing going ahead tomorrow. Pity, because it's a fine card.

Confirmed now,no Leopardstown  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on February 06, 2011, 06:11:14 PM
refixed for next sat
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2011, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on February 06, 2011, 06:11:14 PM
refixed for next sat

Hats off for getting the whole meeting rescheduled so quickly but did they have to go messing with the calendar so much as a result. I'm sure no one would have been too put out if Gowran was brought forward to Friday instead of moved back a whole week. I'd be seriously pissed off if I planned on running a Cheltenham hopeful in either of the Red Mills trials. This could throw plans for the likes of Dunguib and Tranquil Sea way out of kilter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on February 06, 2011, 10:28:40 PM
These are recessionary times DH. The big fixtures and the big sponsors are what's keeping the head above water. It's not in horse racing's interests to be fair and just.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 10:30:31 PM
Lads, did ye see the viral from Newcastlewest (Castletown) there from 1994, it's a donkey derby and is very funny. Apparently the young jockey is Billy Lee, who's a pro jockey now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XtVm8z28e4&feature=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XtVm8z28e4&feature=player_detailpage)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2011, 10:45:04 PM
The young lad is Billy Lee alright. That Percy looks like more of a handful than anything he'd be riding for Tommy Stack these days!

Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2011, 10:28:40 PM
These are recessionary times DH. The big fixtures and the big sponsors are what's keeping the head above water. It's not in horse racing's interests to be fair and just.

In no way am I saying that the Leopardstown meeting shouldn't take precedance but moving Gowran back a week doesn't make much sense. I've been down to the Red Mills meeting a few times and they'd get as much of a crowd by bringing it forward to Friday than they would by moving it to Saturday week. Both of the trials are Grade 2s worth 40 grand to the winner. They're very important races in their own right. It's probable that both races will have more of an effect on the Cheltenham antepost markets than the Hennessy itself will.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 07, 2011, 11:18:51 AM
Robert Tyner's only son Jack died this morning at Cork University Hospital from injuries he suffered after taking a fall at a point-to-point at Dungarvan last week.

Tragic for this to happen to such good racing people like the Tyners. It highlights again how lethal the sport is and the bravery of all the lads and lasses that partake should be commended.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.

(http://www.irishracing.com/photo_jpeg/U000012970699841.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 07, 2011, 12:01:28 PM
That's awful news. These are among the toughest sportsmen in the world. Best wishes to his family.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 07, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
Very sad. RIP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 07, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Terrible to hear. RIP.

Really makes you think about how pathetic the oft-heard sentiments that "Such and Such jockey is a stupid ****" really are coming from a person whose lost a few quid on a race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 07, 2011, 03:34:56 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 07, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Terrible to hear. RIP.

Really makes you think about how pathetic the oft-heard sentiments that "Such and Such jockey is a stupid ****" really are coming from a person whose lost a few quid on a race.

Rip Jack!
Totally agree Tac,even though i do complain about jockeys the odd time myself but they really do put their lives on the line and all credit to them!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 07, 2011, 04:08:10 PM
Thats desperate news. RIP Jack.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 07, 2011, 04:47:34 PM
Shocking. Only thing you can say is that he went doing what he loved best.

RIP young fella.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 07, 2011, 05:30:30 PM
Tributes are today flooding in for jockey Jack Tyner who died following a fall at Dungarvan point to point last Tuesday.

Tyner, the 19 year old only son of prominent trainer Robert and his wife Mary Tyner, had ridden two racecourse winners (his latest on Jan 26 at Limerick) and had four point to point wins to his name. The teenager had ridden a winner (Exitnell) on the day of the fall.

The teenager had been treated for a serious head injury at Cork University Hospital following the heavy fall from Dusmagic at the first fence in the concluding contest.

Robert Tyner's stable jockey Philip Enright knew Jack better than most and said "I rode out with Jack most mornings and he was always a 'glass is half-full' type of fellow. He never stopped smiling and was a lovely lad.

"People have been very good in recent days. Family friends Joe Fallon and Maurice Kelleher have helped, Mary's sister Catherine has minded the kids while the lads in the yard, who are gutted, have also been great. The last week has been very tough for the Tyners and today is a tragedy."

Photographer Liam Healy Jnr said "Jack was a fierce nice fella and you could take a shine to him straightaway. He was always happy and was a real diamond – it is shocking news."

Jockey Davy Russell said "it is so hard on the family. He's from the hardest working family you ever came across and he was a hard working fellow too and rode out plenty for James Sheehan and Enda Bolger. I only knew Jack really when he was a kid and he was so quiet you had to look around to see if he was there!"

Trainer Enda Bolger stated "Jack worked with me for a six month spell one year (September - April), having earlier been gained experience with Francois Cottin in France. He made some great friends up here in Limerick and shared a house with three or four of the lads here. I have never seen them look so shattered as they are this morning and to be honest it hasn't really kicked in yet."

"Jack had a few spins for me, including at Punchestown, but his career was all ahead of him and things were only getting going for him this season. The last time I properly met him was over Christmas when we had lunch together and had a great old chinwag! He was a grand young fellow and it is such a tragedy."

Amateur rider Gerry Mangan, who rides for Robert Tyner, said "Jack was a smashing young lad and was real happy-go-lucky. I rode a winner for Robert yesterday at Tallow point to point on a horse which, in different circumstances, Jack would have been riding. The whole thing is hard to take-in and it is such a tragedy."

Champion point to point rider Derek O'Connor said "Jack was up and running in his career, having had point to point winners and a recent bumper winner. He had a bright future ahead of him and was a nice, genuine lad who had it all going for him."

Commentator Richard Pugh stated "I am glad to have known Jack who was a thoroughly genuine young man, instantly likeable and above all he was infectiously enthusiastic about point to pointing. His race riding meant the world to him and he was clearly enjoying the success he was having in recent weeks.

"His loss is a tragic blow to the entire Point to Pointing community especially given his young age. It is an overused expression that somebody dies doing what they loved. In the case of Jack Tyner however it would be wrong not to point out exactly how much he was enjoying himself in the last few weeks and in particular at Dungarvan last Tuesday where he had seen his father Robert train a treble and he himself had steered home the last leg of that treble. Jack was now becoming part of the team in a race riding sense and this was something he was enjoying very much. We must take comfort from knowing that he was enjoying what he was doing and the success it was bringing before his tragic accident."

Jack Tyner is the first rider to suffer fatal injuries in a point to point fall since Dary Cullen passed away following a fall at Wexford point to point in 2006.


http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=50962 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=50962)


It must be very hard for the families of Kieran Kelly, Seán Clery and Dary Cullen to wake up to this news this morning. I'm sure it brings back some painful memories for them. I was reading Patrick Mullins' piece in the Independent last week and he was saying how it's almost a year since Ronan Lawlor was killed on the gallops. Very sad.

It really does show the balls these lads have to ride over obstacles day in, day out. There were a few who were uncomfortable with Michael Hourigan's comments after he lost Dorans Pride at Cheltenham but he was spot on. He'd happily lose every horse in his yard if it meant Shane Broderick could walk again. Human life is far too precious.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
Fiveforthree entered in the Boyne Hurdle at Navan on Sunday. Could be worth a small investment for the Stayers at Cheltenham if declared on Friday with a view to trading out at a shorter price post race?

I'm looking forward to seeing this So Young at Punchestown tomorrow. If he's anything near the forecast 4/7 (irishracing.com) I'll be having a sizeable chunk of my Cheltenham bank on him!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 08, 2011, 07:34:34 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing this So Young at Punchestown tomorrow. If he's anything near the forecast 4/7 (irishracing.com) I'll be having a sizeable chunk of my Cheltenham bank on him!

Which one do you think he'll go for at Cheltenham, DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2011, 07:51:06 PM
I'd say he'll go for the 2m5. It's ridiculous the strength in depth Mullins has in the novices compared to the other Irish yards. Always dangerous second guessing trainers at this time of year but I'll give it a go!

2m
Zaidpour
Day Of A Lifetime

2m5
So Young
Gagewell Flyer
Earlson Grey

3m
Bishopsfurze
Ballyhaunis
Skorcher
Aughaloor

Sir Des Champs doesn't even hold a Cheltenham entry
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on February 09, 2011, 12:08:42 PM
Price on So young not too attractive DH! 1/4 on with WH at min....

Got each way mark for Sharekan 3.45 P town......currently 16/1

Any other fancies today fellas?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 09, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
He was 1/2 for a few bob on the machine last night.

Fascinating 4yo bumper at Thurles tomorrow. Tommy Stack has a Pivitol gelding out of Kitza (second in Irish 1,000g and Oaks) and O'Grady has a half-brother to Catch Me entered.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 09, 2011, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on February 09, 2011, 12:08:42 PM
Price on So young not too attractive DH! 1/4 on with WH at min....

Got each way mark for Sharekan 3.45 P town......currently 16/1
Any other fancies today fellas?

Into 12's with PP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 09, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
What about Hampshire Express today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 09, 2011, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Joxer on February 09, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
What about Hampshire Express today DH?

Would prefer Bob Lingo on form but I wouldn't be keen on taking on WPM given how his string are going - watching brief for me. Fancied Tolfino Bay for the maiden hurdle but he's no value at the price. I thought he'd be 2 or 3/1 given that he's up against a Mullins bumper winner.

Nina should have a first and last race double.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 09, 2011, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 09, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
He was 1/2 for a few bob on the machine last night.

Fascinating 4yo bumper at Thurles tomorrow. Tommy Stack has a Pivitol gelding out of Kitza (second in Irish 1,000g and Oaks) and O'Grady has a half-brother to Catch Me entered.

1/2 Looks easy money after the way yon ran!

1-6 winner.  Canter in the end!


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 09, 2011, 04:21:31 PM
Impressive today beating trees but I wouldn't be too keen on the 8/1 for Cheltenham. I doubt Willie thinks he's in the same league as Zaidpour and First Lieutenant has already beaten that particular horse.

8/1 So Young v 14/1 First Lieutenant? I know which price I'd prefer to be taking.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on February 10, 2011, 01:12:32 PM
Always read this thread but never put up any of my great tips  :P

4.40 Huntingdon - PERSIAN FOREST (NAP)

4.45 Thurles - CASH AND GO (NB)

2 x singles and a double for me  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on February 10, 2011, 01:32:39 PM
Lads, I do a bit of work for a wee monthly newspaper in Strabane and I'm going to do a piece on Cheltenham. I was wondering do any of yous know of any local connection to any horses/trainers/jockeys going over to this year's festival, or would yous even know how/where I could find that sort of information out. Wouldn't know much about horse racing myself. By local I mean anywhere in the north-west really. The trainer Mervyn Torrens would be fairly local to us but I can't track down a number for him anywhere.

If any of yous could help with any of that or point me in the right direction it'd be much appreciated.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on February 10, 2011, 03:08:24 PM
3.30 Tauton

Got word for this horse...good luck if you play!!

Arrayan 7/2 currently
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 10, 2011, 04:00:34 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on February 10, 2011, 01:32:39 PM
Lads, I do a bit of work for a wee monthly newspaper in Strabane and I'm going to do a piece on Cheltenham. I was wondering do any of yous know of any local connection to any horses/trainers/jockeys going over to this year's festival, or would yous even know how/where I could find that sort of information out. Wouldn't know much about horse racing myself. By local I mean anywhere in the north-west really. The trainer Mervyn Torrens would be fairly local to us but I can't track down a number for him anywhere.

If any of yous could help with any of that or point me in the right direction it'd be much appreciated.

Go to the link below and click on Tyrone, Donegal or wherever. That will bring you up a list of trainers in that county and their contact details:

http://www.goracing.ie/HRI/Get-Involved/Trainers-Directory/ (http://www.goracing.ie/HRI/Get-Involved/Trainers-Directory/)

I think Hurricane Fly's owners are from somewhere up North? Could be worth trying to get in touch with them. People are only too delighted to talk about a horse they own.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 10, 2011, 04:03:41 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on February 10, 2011, 03:08:24 PM
3.30 Tauton

Got word for this horse...good luck if you play!!

Arrayan 7/2 currently

Pos. Dr. Dist. Horse Wt Jockey Trainer Age SP
1    Highway Code (USA)  11-8 t  Giles Hawkins (5)  R Lee  5 15/2 
  opened 8/1 
2   3½ Lidar (FR)  11-9  W Hutchinson  A King  6 9/2 
  opened 6/1 
3   ½ Up To The Mark  10-8  Jake Greenall (7)  H D Daly  6 16/1 
   
4   3¼ First Smash (GER)  10-8 t  Jimmy Derham (3)  M F Harris  6 33/1 
   
5   8 Credit Swap  11-10  A Coleman  Miss V Williams  6 9/4 f
  opened 5/2 touched 11/4 £1100-£400 (x5) £1000-£400 (x9) 
6   2½ James Pollard (IRE)  10-8 t  Donal Fahy  B J Llewellyn  6 33/1 
  opened 25/1 
7   24 Decoy (FR)  11-12  T Scudamore  D Pipe  5 22/1 
  opened 25/1 
8   5 Shinrock Hill (IRE)  11-6  T J O'Brien  P J Hobbs  7 15/2 
  opened 9/1 
9   3¾ Ajman (IRE)  10-8 t  Paul Moloney  Evan Williams  6 10/1 
   


Also Ran: Arrayan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on February 10, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
did u see the race spirit??? please make sure u do before u comment...fell on the run in after jumping the last clear..rookie jockey...sick :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 10, 2011, 04:50:11 PM
Pandorama back in the Gold Cup picture!  ;D

Quote from: bigfrank on February 10, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
did u see the race spirit??? please make sure u do before u comment...fell on the run in after jumping the last clear..rookie jockey...sick :(

Very unfortunate. Conor O'Farrell is a fine young rider. Just one of those things.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 10, 2011, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: lolafrola on October 26, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 26, 2010, 11:16:36 AM
Pun 5.15 centennial e/w if you can get an e/w price.Expect the favourite to be the only one that will cause it trouble!

Unless i'm blind but i can't see that horse but i can see this one "Cheltenian" is this the horse you're talking about? 1st time out?

He runs again tomorrow in a bumper at Kempton for Philip Hobbs  :o

Could be the one to get the weekend expenses. I reckon they've probably got Cheltenham in mind for him because it would have been easy to send him novice hurdling. Very interesting.

That O'Grady horse in the bumper at Thurles today looked very useful. Only a 4yo but so was Cue Card last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on February 10, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 10, 2011, 04:50:11 PM
Pandorama back in the Gold Cup picture!  ;D

Quote from: bigfrank on February 10, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
did u see the race spirit??? please make sure u do before u comment...fell on the run in after jumping the last clear..rookie jockey...sick :(

Very unfortunate. Conor O'Farrell is a fine young rider. Just one of those things.

U see the race DH...anywhere it can be watched now?? I couldnt believe it...let me down for a fortune :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 10, 2011, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on February 10, 2011, 01:32:39 PM
Lads, I do a bit of work for a wee monthly newspaper in Strabane and I'm going to do a piece on Cheltenham. I was wondering do any of yous know of any local connection to any horses/trainers/jockeys going over to this year's festival, or would yous even know how/where I could find that sort of information out. Wouldn't know much about horse racing myself. By local I mean anywhere in the north-west really. The trainer Mervyn Torrens would be fairly local to us but I can't track down a number for him anywhere.

If any of yous could help with any of that or point me in the right direction it'd be much appreciated.

The best Nordie angle for a cheltenham story might be the link to Imperial Commander .

A bit of googling got me this bit ..Eyssen Ross, owner of the Mount Top Stud in Glengormley sold the horse to our friends in the north syndicate . Imperial Commander won his point-to-point at Summerhill for Ross before going to NTD, and now he goes back there every year for his summer holiday .

J.B Ross
Mount Top Stud
130 Ballycraigy Road
NEWTOWNABBEY
County Antrim
BT36 4TB
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 11, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
Jesus lads some great racing 2mrw and not a peep out of anyone, not even Donnelly??
Anybody travelling to Leopardstown?

Whats the opinions on the Hennessy? Looks a tight affair but I always liked the look of Joncol but he's priced that way.
Will Mikael D' Hagueneut get his jumping right? I think he will and if I get better than evens I'm going big TBH. His last run was too bad to be true.

Alot of talk and money for this French recruit of Hendersons Solix in the Totesport Trophy. Was over 20/1 a while back.
Walkon has been backed into favourite and he's gonna get my Each way money. Will take all the beating IMO. Although I'd be fearful of Willie Mullins sending 2 over.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 12, 2011, 12:32:39 AM
Cracking days fare. I've the sofa booked!

My main bets will be on Zaidpour and Star Neuville e/w (Newbury bumper).

The Hennessy looks a poor renewal. Joncol a worthy fav but not a bet at the prices. The juvenile hurdle looks very open - I wouldn't be quick to oppose DK's mare in that. Watching brief for me in the Moriarty - Micky D clearly bounced the last day and will win this if back to his best but Quel Esprit is a serious horse in his own right and I wouldn't be overly surprised if he simply outstays his stablemate. I think the Deloitte is a two horse race between Zaidpour and Hidden Universe - Zaidpour will win if back to his Royal Bond form. Fancy On The Fringe in the hunter chase and Champagne Agent in the bumper.

The Schweppes at Newbury looks as tough as ever. I wouldn't bet against Katie riding another big handicap winner over in England! Mullins' string are absolutely running out of their skins at the moment. The form figures for his last twenty runners reads as follows: 21411211311211341222. An ex-horse of his, Sports Line, might be worth a chance in the Game Spirit. I'd want to be against both Al Ferof and What A Friend in the other races. Really like the look of the Shark Hanlon's horse in the bumper. He beat Champagne Agent last time out and McCoy is down to ride. He should be a nice e/w price.

Finians Rainbow runs in the Kingmaker at Warwick. I put him up here in November for the Arkle and got some nice prices so I'll be hoping for a clear round tomorrow and a comfortable victory.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 12, 2011, 12:26:18 PM
The stable fancy Valentine Vic's chances.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on February 12, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
Fancy Malin Bay in the 4.30 at Ayr
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 12, 2011, 12:34:11 PM
Quote from: The Worker on February 12, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
Fancy Malin Bay in the 4.30 at Ayr

So does Hugh Taylor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 12, 2011, 12:34:43 PM
Joncol is also the obvious stats selection for the Hennessy, but I wouldn't back him at 7/4. I managed to get a free bet on China Rock (8/1 on Bet365, 8.6 to lay on Betfair).

Salden Licht (8/1, 10.5 Betfair) has the best stats profile for the Schweppes (Totesport) Hurdle (as per stats compiled by racecaller.com - thanks again bcarrier for steering me to that site).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 12, 2011, 01:18:22 PM
Looks like we finally have a proper juvenile in Ireland. Lovely looking mare. 7/1 for the Triumph looks very fair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 12, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
Terrible carry on at New Bury!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 12, 2011, 02:04:44 PM
Surreal.

There'll be a big fallout after this. Connections will have to be compensated.

Plenty of drama at Leopardstown too. Micky D looked to be going ominously well when Quel Esprit stopped him dead in his tracks. Hard to know what they'll do with him now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 12, 2011, 02:11:34 PM
Racing abandoned at New Bury.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 12, 2011, 02:13:04 PM
What happened? They're saying two horses killed in the parade ring.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 12, 2011, 02:16:18 PM
Possibly some sort of electric current under the parade ring. One of the lads was saying that he was getting a shock when leading his horse around.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 12, 2011, 02:18:58 PM
 :o

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Boycey on February 12, 2011, 02:20:13 PM
From Atheraces website

QuoteRacing was delayed at Newbury in extraordinary circumstances after Fenix Two and Marching Song collapsed and died in the parade ring before the first race.

An inquiry and immediate post-mortems were announced, with the reasons for the deaths unknown amid speculation the horses died from some form of electric shock emanating from underneath the paddock. Some horses had already made it down to the start and there were reports that others had "wobbled" on entering the paddock.

Nicky Henderson was quick to withdraw his runner Kid Cassidy, while Andy Turnell, trainer of Marching Song, said: "It looks like they've been electrocuted. My fellow seemed perfectly all right and I was about to leg him up but he just went straight down."

Marching Song's part-owner Graham Thorner said: "I was very fond of him and he had great potential. To a layman with no evidence, you would say it was electrical. The lad who was with him was saying 'I'm getting an electric shock off this horse'.

"The horses were kicking out at something and it seemed to be in an area leaving the paddock. It can't be coincidence four horses have done the same thing and two have died, all in the same area. Three people said they were getting a shock off the horse. I hope we find out what it was but it doesn't bring the horses back."

Jonjo O'Neill, trainer of Fenix Two, said: "Kid Cassidy was in front and he took a turn. We thought he was bucking and kicking and he went down on his knees then he seemed to be OK. Mine reared up and we couldn't get him back, it was like he was stuck to the ground. It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life."

Henderson said: "About a minute before it happened, Kid Cassidy was walking in the same corner of the paddock. I had my back turned but my daughter said 'your horse has gone down'.

"He got back up again and he went to the start. All the horses at the start had their hearts checked and he was fine, but he was desperately keen so I decided to take him out. Electrocution is the most obvious possibility. Nobody is to blame really, but I think you'd only really find out when they've done a post-mortem."

Stipendiary steward Paul Barton said: "We are going to hold an inquiry and interview those connected with the horses. We are not going to use the parade ring for the rest of the meeting. The horses will parade in the pre-parade ring and leave from that point.

"The veterinary team are in charge of whatever precautions as far as the other horses are concerned. They have checked all other horses in this race."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on February 12, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
Chanel 4 racing have been reporting it in a style reminscent of Sky News!
"Dick France Novel" is the common phrase being used.
Having said all that, it was shocking stuff!

I have a habit of picking Joncol on the wrong days and not on the right, hope I get it right for once today. Zaidpour bubble was well and truly burst
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 12, 2011, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 14, 2010, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 14, 2010, 09:52:13 AM
Oscars Well ran well on it's debut lto so should come on well in the 3.25 today

Didn't disappoint  ;)

Wasn't around this morning to give the heads up on this lads but it's 6/1 for the Neptune Novice hurdle now from 25s for a reason  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on February 12, 2011, 03:40:31 PM
Yip, backed Joncol on the wrong day again! I wonder if big Joe and the boys have any regrets over selling Kempes now! I thought the horse needed good ground!! There is no doubt that if he improves from that, on good ground in Cheltenham we have a live Irish prospect for the Gold Cup? The way he finished would suggest that 3miles 2f won't be a problem.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 12, 2011, 03:51:48 PM
That horse is a freak. He's by Intikhab out of a Royal Academy mare (both were milers). On breeding he shouldn't get next nor near three miles but he's been a revelation since being upped in trip. McCoy will be raging he stayed in England today!

Plenty of Irish Cheltenham hopefuls being examined today. Really liked Unaccompanied. I had Oscars Well down as a stayer so he really took me by surprise. We'll hold a strong hand in the 2m5 novice. Not too impressed with Finians Rainbow at Warwick. Hopefully he can improve his jumping with Geraghty back on board.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on February 13, 2011, 02:42:21 PM
For those who back trends, I've just noticed that 7 of the last 8 winners for the 3.50 race at Navan have been favourites. The other one being only 100/30 and the very handy Snowy Morning! Favourite today likely to be a shade of odds on today though.
http://www.irishracing.com/cards/v5card099201102131550.htm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 13, 2011, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on February 13, 2011, 02:42:21 PM
For those who back trends, I've just noticed that 7 of the last 8 winners for the 3.50 race at Navan have been favourites. The other one being only 100/30 and the very handy Snowy Morning! Favourite today likely to be a shade of odds on today though.
http://www.irishracing.com/cards/v5card099201102131550.htm

1. Quito De La Roque (FR)  Evens Fav 7 11 - 8 D N Russell
Colm A Murphy
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2  4  4. Royal De La Thinte (FR)  5/2 2Fav 6 11 - 3t A E Lynch
J T R Dreaper
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3    5. Slippers Percy 25/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 13, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
Hope he goes for the National Hunt Chase at the festival. O'Leary already has Magnanimity for the Sun Alliance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 14, 2011, 03:36:19 PM
Was passed info on some nag called wymott which is supposedly Cheltenham bound and considered to be a "certainty", as if there is such a thing at the festival.
Anyone know anything about it ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 14, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 14, 2011, 03:36:19 PM
Was passed info on some nag called wymott which is supposedly Cheltenham bound and considered to be a "certainty", as if there is such a thing at the festival.
Anyone know anything about it ?

Its an Arkle horse isn't it? They were chatting about it on Channel 4 racing on Saturday. The "Female" as McCririck calls her (can't remember her real name) supposedly has a decent lump on it. Surely the form for all the major races at Cheltenham is so well analysed that nothing can be a "certainty" particularly at longer odds.

EDIT - Apologies, it seems as though Wymott is an RSA horse. Taking on the much fancied Time for Rupert.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 14, 2011, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 14, 2011, 03:36:19 PM
Was passed info on some nag called wymott which is supposedly Cheltenham bound and considered to be a "certainty", as if there is such a thing at the festival.
Anyone know anything about it ?

Nice horse. Bit of a dour staying type. Has won a few soft races around the gaff tracks in England. He wouldn't be my idea of a bet in the RSA at 12/1 but I wouldn't put anyone off having an e/w bet on him either.

McCain has a strong hand for the festival this year. I'd be very interested in Storming Gale if he goes for the three mile novice on the Friday.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2011, 12:07:02 PM
Majestic Concorde only 5lbs inferior to Don't Push It and Neptune Collonges? You'd wonder sometimes if he actually wants Irish horses to travel to Aintree or not. DK would be better off running him on Easter Monday at Fairyhouse (where he'd probably be top weight) and putting a claimer on him.

The Midnight Club also looks highish at 10-13 but he'd still be my long term fancy for the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2011, 12:05:45 AM
Will any of the layers be willing to take on Martin Scruff at Punchestown tomorrow?

He won with about a stone in hand at Thurles last week and runs again before the handicapper has a chance to reassess him (only has a 4lb penalty to carry). I'm considering a big bet if the price is right.

Good to see Fiveforthree back on the track and Call The Police should ensure Mullins has another good day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on February 16, 2011, 09:04:40 AM
Donnellys Hollow,

Any more fancies for today? would appreciate some direction on bets today at Punchestown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2011, 09:31:43 AM
Mullins should have a double in the first two races. Fiveforthree has been off the track for two years and the trip is short enough for him but he still should have way too much for this field. I'd be sweet enough on Call The Police in the second. He ran a cracker in the MCR having been off the track for a good stretch. Provided he doesn't bounce, he'll win. Neither will be much of a price though.

Martin Scruff has plenty in hand of the handicapper but the two firms that have priced it up so far aren't taking any chances at 4/6. Rest of the card looks trappy enough. Watching brief for those races. The market should be informative in the bumper because there's one or two with decent reputations and pedigrees.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 09:37:58 AM
Brabazon should be there or there abouts in the 2.30 @ Lingfield. 

Returning to the track where he landed the massive gamble a couple of months ago
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 09:37:58 AM
Brabazon should be there or there abouts in the 2.30 @ Lingfield. 

Returning to the track where he landed the massive gamble a couple of months ago

Emmet Butterly could go places as a trainer by the looks of things.

Anyone know why he gave up riding? He didn't strike me as someone who might have problems with his weight. He rode a few useful hurdlers that I was involved in down in Mick Halford's a few years ago and he looked like a lad that could go right to the top. Nice fella by all accounts.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 09:37:58 AM
Brabazon should be there or there abouts in the 2.30 @ Lingfield. 

Returning to the track where he landed the massive gamble a couple of months ago

Emmet Butterly could go places as a trainer by the looks of things.

Anyone know why he gave up riding? He didn't strike me as someone who might have problems with his weight. He rode a few useful hurdlers that I was involved in down in Mick Halford's a few years ago and he looked like a lad that could go right to the top. Nice fella by all accounts.

He has another clinker in Cybersnow which should be seen nearer the start of the Irish flat season I believe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on February 16, 2011, 10:39:56 AM
Any prices in yet for Martin Scruff?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: Clown on February 16, 2011, 10:39:56 AM
Any prices in yet for Martin Scruff?

Opened up @ 4/6 with PP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on February 16, 2011, 12:50:56 PM
Had a look at Martin Scruff, first thing I noticed was the colours and assumed based on the colours and what DH was saying, that it was a Tony Martin horse! Elliott really has stole a lot of the thunder in south Meath! Jaysus, even has AJ's surname in the horses name....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on February 16, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
Good call with the first two races Donnellys Hollow,
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2011, 09:31:43 AM
Mullins should have a double in the first two races. Fiveforthree has been off the track for two years and the trip is short enough for him but he still should have way too much for this field. I'd be sweet enough on Call The Police in the second. He ran a cracker in the MCR having been off the track for a good stretch. Provided he doesn't bounce, he'll win. Neither will be much of a price though.

Martin Scruff has plenty in hand of the handicapper but the two firms that have priced it up so far aren't taking any chances at 4/6. Rest of the card looks trappy enough. Watching brief for those races. The market should be informative in the bumper because there's one or two with decent reputations and pedigrees.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 02:53:21 PM
Quote from: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 09:37:58 AM
Brabazon should be there or there abouts in the 2.30 @ Lingfield. 

Returning to the track where he landed the massive gamble a couple of months ago

Won anyway @ 11/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Megaman on February 16, 2011, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 02:53:21 PM
Quote from: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 09:37:58 AM
Brabazon should be there or there abouts in the 2.30 @ Lingfield. 

Returning to the track where he landed the massive gamble a couple of months ago

Won anyway @ 11/4

good job joxer  -  had a very small treble come up with those fancies  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on February 16, 2011, 03:11:19 PM
Anything else fancied for today lads? thats three winners today from the page, two from Donnelly's Hollow and one from Joxer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2011, 09:31:43 AM
Mullins should have a double in the first two races. Fiveforthree has been off the track for two years and the trip is short enough for him but he still should have way too much for this field. I'd be sweet enough on Call The Police in the second. He ran a cracker in the MCR having been off the track for a good stretch. Provided he doesn't bounce, he'll win. Neither will be much of a price though.

Martin Scruff has plenty in hand of the handicapper but the two firms that have priced it up so far aren't taking any chances at 4/6. b]

Martin Scruff beat
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 16, 2011, 04:26:05 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 30, 2011, 02:52:22 PM
peader Miguel 5.15 kempton

Away with the wife all day, FER Fcuk Sake, 12/1, was waiting for the next time it run. Busted the gate last time with a few quid on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2011, 04:45:51 PM
Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul (why isn't there a shakey head smiley?)

If he hadn't such a strong connection with Bobbyjo I'd say the owners would have strung him up for that ride.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 16, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
Quote from: Joxer on February 16, 2011, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2011, 09:31:43 AM
Mullins should have a double in the first two races. Fiveforthree has been off the track for two years and the trip is short enough for him but he still should have way too much for this field. I'd be sweet enough on Call The Police in the second. He ran a cracker in the MCR having been off the track for a good stretch. Provided he doesn't bounce, he'll win. Neither will be much of a price though.

Martin Scruff has plenty in hand of the handicapper but the two firms that have priced it up so far aren't taking any chances at 4/6. b]

Martin Scruff beat

A complete disgrace!!!  >:(
Let me down for a handsome sum...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on February 16, 2011, 06:50:34 PM
Lads, would ye mind me asking a question. We have a big screen in the pub in Blessington> What should I do for Cheltenham. Could I get a tipster, a jockey and is it legal to place bets with PP using credit card.  Thanks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on February 17, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
Of course it is legal to place bets with PP using a credit card but if you are asking can you run a book from an unlicensed premises for betting then this is illegal even if you are using PP. By all means if you want to do it as a one off i would say the chances of getting caught are slim but word of mouth can be a dangerous thing in these scenarios and you could be in for a hefty fine.

I would go down the line of cheaper drink, Free bets or run some kind of fantasy horse racing league for cheltenham and put up some sort of prize. If you are far from a bookies then i would approach a bookie in the meantime and setup up an account where you phone the bets and inturn you receive a commission based on the amount of bets.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 17, 2011, 11:57:10 AM
Any fancies today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 17, 2011, 03:58:40 PM
Nothing today anyway.

Might have a small bet on Sports Line tomorrow at Newbury. He was well backed last Saturday morning before the meeting was abandoned and Willie always rated him very highly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on February 18, 2011, 10:46:49 AM
DH,

Thoughts on todays cards?

Cappagh in the first at Newbury looks a sound bet...do you think Nicholls or Kings runners can bother him?

Sportsline being nibbled at...can you convince me he's capable of beating Cornas.

What about the Totesport...I see Sweet My Lord of Mullins' has been backed...whats its chances?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 18, 2011, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on February 18, 2011, 10:46:49 AM
DH,

Thoughts on todays cards?

Cappagh in the first at Newbury looks a sound bet...do you think Nicholls or Kings runners can bother him?

Sportsline being nibbled at...can you convince me he's capable of beating Cornas.

What about the Totesport...I see Sweet My Lord of Mullins' has been backed...whats its chances?

Didnt somebody mention Valentine Vic here on Saturday????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 18, 2011, 03:11:42 PM
What a Friend!  What a Tool!


Let me down badly today.  Given a terrible ride from Skelton!  Out of the Treble I done I thought it was the banker.  The other two,  French Opera and Our Island won at relative  ease!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2011, 04:16:27 PM
What A Friend is a wretched creature. How it ever won two Grade 1s is beyond me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2011, 09:40:20 PM
Good action tomorrow. Plenty of short ones to be getting stuck into if you're that way inclined:

Court In Motion (should be 1/3 IMO)
Dunguib (ride him positively please!)
Riverside Theatre (surely has the measure of Pride Of Dulcote over this trip?)
Sprinter Sacre (Henderson has some talent in the novice ranks)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 18, 2011, 10:11:03 PM
DH if them 4 come home tomorrow i really do think we should google ads your posts and forward you the commission because there is so many people looking in at your fancies, i heard people talking about it today in the bookies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 18, 2011, 11:15:46 PM
Bensalem should have come on for his run in the Cleeve Hurdle and could be a decent proposition amongst lesser company tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 19, 2011, 12:08:02 PM
Any fancies today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on February 19, 2011, 12:43:04 PM
1.20 Ascot - SONOFVIC
14:45 Haydock - ANY GIVEN DAY
3.00 Ascot - PRIDE OF DULCOTE
Court In Motion in the 2.10 at Haydock NAP

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 19, 2011, 12:53:27 PM
A few each way tickles:

2.10 Haydock Back in Focus
3.00 Ascot Big Fella Thanks
3.35 Ascot Drill Sergeant
3.55 Haydock Skippers Brig

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 19, 2011, 01:22:17 PM
I've gone for a Super Yankee on the Channel 4 televised action

Haydock 2 10: Court in Motion
Haydock 2 45: Bensalem
Ascot 3 00: Riverside Theatre
Haydock 3 20: Carruthers to place
Wincaton 3 45: Overturn
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 19, 2011, 01:27:10 PM
Any info on JP O'Briens mounts 2day for Trainer James McAuley?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 19, 2011, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 19, 2011, 12:53:27 PM
A few each way tickles:

2.10 Haydock Back in Focus
3.00 Ascot Big Fella Thanks
3.35 Ascot Drill Sergeant
3.55 Haydock Skippers Brig
Followed you Sammy, not bad shooting...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 19, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 19, 2011, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 19, 2011, 12:53:27 PM
A few each way tickles:

2.10 Haydock Back in Focus
3.00 Ascot Big Fella Thanks
3.35 Ascot Drill Sergeant
3.55 Haydock Skippers Brig
Followed you Sammy, not bad shooting...

Cheers Candy. Nice prices too  ;) a few quid heading for Ronaldo 1st scorer and United -2 later on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 20, 2011, 11:23:36 AM
Day Of A Lifetime has to be the one bet today surely?

Oops, Non Runner!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on February 20, 2011, 11:28:01 AM
Non-runner DH

On a side note are Kildare a fair price to dispose of us in Newbridge today/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 20, 2011, 11:36:10 AM
Only a stone bruise. Should still be ok for next month.

I wouldn't be too keen on backing Kildare. We've a rookie full-back line out and I'm sure Derry will have revenge on their minds after last summer. The odds look about right to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 20, 2011, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 14, 2011, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 14, 2011, 03:36:19 PM
Was passed info on some nag called wymott which is supposedly Cheltenham bound and considered to be a "certainty", as if there is such a thing at the festival.
Anyone know anything about it ?

Nice horse. Bit of a dour staying type. Has won a few soft races around the gaff tracks in England. He wouldn't be my idea of a bet in the RSA at 12/1 but I wouldn't put anyone off having an e/w bet on him either.

McCain has a strong hand for the festival this year. I'd be very interested in Storming Gale if he goes for the three mile novice on the Friday.

Runs tomorrow at Carlisle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on February 20, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
Davy could be in a spot of bother!!

http://www.rte.ie/aertel/259-01.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 20, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on February 20, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
Davy could be in a spot of bother!!

http://www.rte.ie/aertel/259-01.html

On the whacky baccy last night Davy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 20, 2011, 10:17:38 PM
Denman's had a breathing operation.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/cheltenham2011/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/02/20/manual_121529.html&BID=20209

Been having a look at the Gold Cup trends.
Quote
RACE TRENDS:

    * 11 of the last 13 winners had been placed at the festival before
    * 9 of the last 19 winners were second season chasers
    * 10 of the last 11 winners had all won a race that season
    * The last 10 winners were in the front three in the betting
    * 10 horses priced 33/1 and bigger have been placed since 1997
    * 64 of 66 horses beaten in the race before since 1994 have been beaten again. The only exceptions are Kauto Star and a carried-out See More Business
    * 16 of the last 17 winners were aged between seven and nine
    * No horse older than ten has won since 1969
    * The last six year old to win was Mill House in 1963
    * Only one horse since 1963 (Dawn Run) has won with less than six runs over fences

All the market leaders appear to fall foul of these statistics.

Kauto Star, Denman and Imperial Commander are too all old at 11, 11 and 10.

Long run is only 6.

Diamond Harry doesn't seem to have enough experience over fences (only 4 runs over the bigger obstacles and was pulled up in last year's RSA). Neither does Pandorama although he is only 1 short of the magical 6 runs over fences.

Kempes has never placed at Cheltenham, having run disappointingly in the Supreme Novices in 2009 (As a patriotic Armagh man I'd him backed!)

Midnight Chase appears to tick a good few boxes but surely this is too much of a step up in class?

So which statistics will hold true and which are lies, damned lies?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 21, 2011, 09:14:59 AM
The six year old stat isnt that strong. Only three six year olds have run in race in last 40yrs. Long Run form has been franked by Riverside Theatre at the weekend but my big concern would be that Cheltenham just isnt his track. The two trips there have ended in disappointing shows.

I would be backing Riverside Theatre for Gold Cup if he had been entered ( a shocking oversight by NJH) ... think it costs about £20K to supplement but doesnt seem to be on agenda at all.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 21, 2011, 01:04:15 PM
Liked the look of Samain in the bumper yesterday at Naas, i wonder is that Cheltenham bound ? Also that other winner of Mullins Dare to Doubt looked like a horse going places.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 23, 2011, 10:44:50 AM
Any fancies today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 23, 2011, 11:14:17 AM
The Midnight Club is my long-term fancy for Liverpool but he looks a short enough price today. Could be worth a play in the antepost market before the off.

Really good cards at Huntingdon and Thurles tomorrow. Minella Class and Starluck (chasing debut) run at Huntingdon. Mullins should have another good day at Thurles - Quiscover Fontaine, Celtic Folklore and Mozoltov. I think Hidden Cyclone will beat Bishopsfurze and Crash though despite having to carry a penalty for his Leopardstown win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 23, 2011, 02:28:55 PM
Aupcharlie in the bumper @ Fairyhouse.  Was 5/1,  stuck few pound each way on it but it could have come in since.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 23, 2011, 04:02:33 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 23, 2011, 11:14:17 AM
The Midnight Club is my long-term fancy for Liverpool but he looks a short enough price today. Could be worth a play in the antepost market before the off.

That is some horse! Great bit of riding!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 23, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
Quote from: Joxer on February 23, 2011, 02:28:55 PM
Aupcharlie in the bumper @ Fairyhouse.  Was 5/1,  stuck few pound each way on it but it could have come in since.
The Fcuker
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 23, 2011, 06:20:45 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/02/23/RACING_Maguire_Snap.html&BID=465

Jason Maguire to miss the ride on Peddler's Cross. Surely this ban is duplicitous, the 5 days ban is for marking the horse which was a result of excessive use of the whip, for which he has gotten an additional 2 days. One of the bans would have been more than sufficient surely?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
You'd feel sorry for Maguire, who is a good jockey - though nowhere near the level of his uncle who was one of the greatest of all time IMO!

The rules are the rules though and I wouldn't have been best pleased if I owned the horse in question. As Kieren Fallon once said: "whipping the shit out of a tired horse won't make it run any faster"

There's a certain hypocrisy there though. Maguire gets a ban for trying his hardest to win a race whereas Paul Carberry (who I'm a big fan of) gets a slap on the wrist for a howling error of judgement on Martin Scruff who was clearly the best horse in his race last week.

Should be interesting to see who picks up the ride on Peddlers Cross now:
Graham Lee - probably the favourite, rides frequently for McCain winning the Galway Hurdle for him last year
Brian Harding - picks up the odd ride for the yard
Timmy Murphy - without a ride in the race
Denis O'Regan - without a ride in the race
Adrian Lane - attached to the McCain yard and rides the horse in his work
Davy Russell - rode the horse before he ever went to England and without a ride in the race
Paul Carberry - unlikely to have a ride in the race
Paul Townend - unlikely to have a ride in the race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 24, 2011, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
You'd feel sorry for Maguire, who is a good jockey - though nowhere near the level of his uncle who was one of the greatest of all time IMO!

The rules are the rules though and I wouldn't have been best pleased if I owned the horse in question. As Kieren Fallon once said: "whipping the shit out of a tired horse won't make it run any faster"

There's a certain hypocrisy there though. Maguire gets a ban for trying his hardest to win a race whereas Paul Carberry (who I'm a big fan of) gets a slap on the wrist for a howling error of judgement on Martin Scruff who was clearly the best horse in his race last week.

Should be interesting to see who picks up the ride on Peddlers Cross now:
Graham Lee - probably the favourite, rides frequently for McCain winning the Galway Hurdle for him last year
Brian Harding - picks up the odd ride for the yard
Timmy Murphy - without a ride in the race
Denis O'Regan - without a ride in the race
Adrian Lane - attached to the McCain yard and rides the horse in his work
Davy Russell - rode the horse before he ever went to England and without a ride in the race
Paul Carberry - unlikely to have a ride in the race
Paul Townend - unlikely to have a ride in the race

You expect Ruby to take over on Hurricane Fly then DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2011, 07:40:44 PM
Definitely. Connections would be mad not to have Ruby up.

Townend is a great talent but he's never even ridden a winner at the track. Ruby is the winning most jockey of all time at the festival and the Champion Hurdle is the only race that's missing from his CV. Might seem tough on Townend but it's a no brainer really.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on February 24, 2011, 07:45:45 PM
I see Hurricane Fly is available on Betfair at 5/1 for the champion hurdle.  Is this not pretty good value?

Is there any chance he mightn't run?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2011, 07:47:58 PM
Always a chance with any horse that they'll stand on a stone between now and then. I think he's an e/w bet to nothing at the price. It's very hard to see him out of the first three barring a fall.

Stan James are paying e/w on the first four home.  :o

I'm not sure how long that offer will last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on February 24, 2011, 07:52:23 PM
Cheers DH.  I'll probably go with a small bet on the nose.

I also see Zaidpour is available at 13/1 for the supreme novices hurdle.  I saw that horse a few months ago and it looked a great prospect.  I'd fancy it at that price e/w.  What would the other big dangers be in that race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2011, 08:09:36 PM
Cue Card would be the obvious one. I'm quite sweet on Spirit Son myself.

Zaidpour is a hard one to figure out. It will be interesting to see the riding arrangements with Day Of A Lifetime also likely to run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on February 25, 2011, 08:21:11 AM
Any fancies today DH?

What you make of Thurles yesterday?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on February 25, 2011, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 24, 2011, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
You'd feel sorry for Maguire, who is a good jockey - though nowhere near the level of his uncle who was one of the greatest of all time IMO!

The rules are the rules though and I wouldn't have been best pleased if I owned the horse in question. As Kieren Fallon once said: "whipping the shit out of a tired horse won't make it run any faster"

There's a certain hypocrisy there though. Maguire gets a ban for trying his hardest to win a race whereas Paul Carberry (who I'm a big fan of) gets a slap on the wrist for a howling error of judgement on Martin Scruff who was clearly the best horse in his race last week.

Should be interesting to see who picks up the ride on Peddlers Cross now:
Graham Lee - probably the favourite, rides frequently for McCain winning the Galway Hurdle for him last year
Brian Harding - picks up the odd ride for the yard
Timmy Murphy - without a ride in the race
Denis O'Regan - without a ride in the race
Adrian Lane - attached to the McCain yard and rides the horse in his work
Davy Russell - rode the horse before he ever went to England and without a ride in the race
Paul Carberry - unlikely to have a ride in the race
Paul Townend - unlikely to have a ride in the race

You expect Ruby to take over on Hurricane Fly then DH?

I think Townend keeps the ride on Hurricane Fly.

Agree that Graham Lee will probably ride Peddlers Cross if Jason Maguire's appeal fails.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 25, 2011, 03:40:34 PM
Just got word for Tilly Ann at 12.1 at 4.30pm in Navan. Sounds like a decent E/W punt!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 25, 2011, 03:54:01 PM
Cheers. Just stuck the weekend funds on it. Better come in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 25, 2011, 05:48:59 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 25, 2011, 03:54:01 PM
Cheers. Just stuck the weekend funds on it. Better come in.

Have you any good books or films to spend the weekend with?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on February 26, 2011, 01:08:25 PM
Lads do any of you fancy Nacarat today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 26, 2011, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 26, 2011, 01:08:25 PM
Lads do any of you fancy Nacarat today?

A near certainty for a place for me. I took 2.28 for the place on Betfair. Hey Big Spender ticks most of the stats boxes - got 16 on Betfair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on February 26, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
nacarat was only single bet i did today.  ew @ 6s

my lucky 15 is

Best prospect 2.15 newcastle @ 7-1

minella boys  3.15 newcastle @ 4s

tatenen  3.00 kempton @ 16s  (just in case nacarat is beat)

titan triumph  4.55 lingfield  @  7-2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on February 26, 2011, 02:27:35 PM
feck that,  Best Prospect  drifted to 16s beat by a short head  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: seafoid on February 26, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
Do any of you know 2 flat jockeys who spend the winter in Bombay and Pune in india? I was over there last week and was talking to them. One of them is Niall something and he works for John Oxx in Ireland from the spring on and other was called Chesney .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2011, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
Do any of you know 2 flat jockeys who spend the winter in Bombay and Pune in india? I was over there last week and was talking to them. One of them is Niall something and he works for John Oxx in Ireland from the spring on and other was called Chesney .

Niall McCullagh rides a bit for Currabeg.

I think Chris Hayes is known as Chesney.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: seafoid on February 27, 2011, 09:01:57 PM
Thanks, DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 01, 2011, 11:50:09 AM
I see Ruby is back in action on Friday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on March 02, 2011, 11:14:30 AM
Going to be disciplined this year. Just done my only Lucky 15 for the Festival:
First Lieutenant @33/1 (Supreme Novices)
Captain Cee Bee @ 10/1 (Queen Mother)
Sam Winner @10/1 (Triumph)
Oscars Well @ 8/1 (Albert Bartlett)

I'll be retiring if they all come up!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 02, 2011, 11:36:56 AM
Any tips today DH?

Trying to make my Bet for the festival.  Going to stick a E/W Lucky 15.  Hard calls to make!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 02, 2011, 11:50:22 AM
QuoteGoing to be disciplined this year. Just done my only Lucky 15 for the Festival:
First Lieutenant @33/1 (Supreme Novices)
Captain Cee Bee @ 10/1 (Queen Mother)
Sam Winner @10/1 (Triumph)
Oscars Well @ 8/1 (Albert Bartlett)

I'll be retiring if they all come up!!!!!!!!

3 NRs there ( imo) .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 02, 2011, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: gaa.boy on March 02, 2011, 11:14:30 AM
Going to be disciplined this year. Just done my only Lucky 15 for the Festival:
First Lieutenant @33/1 (Supreme Novices)
Captain Cee Bee @ 10/1 (Queen Mother)
Sam Winner @10/1 (Triumph)
Oscars Well @ 8/1 (Albert Bartlett)

I'll be retiring if they all come up!!!!!!!!

4/1 for the Neptune I believe...  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 02, 2011, 06:09:21 PM
Lytham great EW shout @ 9/2 in 8.10 at Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on March 02, 2011, 07:07:17 PM
did you get word, or is it a fancy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 02, 2011, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 02, 2011, 06:09:21 PM
Lytham great EW shout @ 9/2 in 8.10 at Kempton
Just put the dolls house on it... hope your right!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 03, 2011, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: randomtask on March 02, 2011, 07:07:17 PM
did you get word, or is it a fancy?

One I have been following.  Ran in Dundalk a number of times also.

Was unlucky in the end up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Over The Last on March 03, 2011, 08:10:36 PM
Need to keep this page to the forefront!  ;D

nap selections for cheltenham gents?
and good each ways?

I strongly fancy Quevega in the david nicholson mares race and time for rupert.
Think could be one last kick in kauto and def each way material.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 04, 2011, 03:49:33 PM
Just got word for Manhattan Boy in the 6.10. Go easy if you have a punt.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 04, 2011, 04:05:56 PM
6.10? When and where?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 05, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
Small bit of word for Whatever Jacksays 220 Gowran Park.
Big field and all that so don't b going mad. Around 9-1 at d moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 05, 2011, 12:58:32 PM
Ephorus should have won at Leopardstown the last day. I think he'll take all the beating in that handicap under top weight. 4/1 e/w looks a no brainer.

Rathlin to beat Sicilian Secret in the 1:50.

Not a weekend to be whittling away your Cheltenham bank so keep the stakes down.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 05, 2011, 01:40:04 PM
david pipe is talking up the chances of minella four star winning the 3.15 at donny
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 05, 2011, 01:46:54 PM
I hope your wrong in the 1.50 DH!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 05, 2011, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 05, 2011, 01:40:04 PM
david pipe is talking up the chances of minella four star winning the 3.15 at donny

got a tip for killyglen (spl) in the same race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 05, 2011, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 05, 2011, 01:46:54 PM
I hope your wrong in the 1.50 DH!! ;-)

8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 05, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
When the 4/6 fav was beat by a 66/1 shot in the first that was me done for the day!! :-O
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 06, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
Riverside Theatre out of the festival  :(

Having a small play on the Mullins/Townend short price jolly double - the one eyed Cottrelsbooley and Lambro.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 06, 2011, 03:06:38 PM
The money arriving for Forty Foot Tom in the 4 o clock is worth following
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 07, 2011, 02:36:35 PM
Big Money piled on Dorothys Dancing in a few bookies in town. 3.15 @ Lingfield
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 07, 2011, 03:21:45 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 07, 2011, 02:36:35 PM
Big Money piled on Dorothys Dancing in a few bookies in town. 3.15 @ Lingfield

Read it at 3.17. F*** sake. Wins at 5-1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 07, 2011, 03:52:29 PM
Took it at 8's myself :-D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 07, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 22, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Devon Native looks a good each way bet in the 2.50

Nice win today @ 11-2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 07, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 07, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 22, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Devon Native looks a good each way bet in the 2.50

Nice win today @ 11-2

Sorry I was not on today to mention it  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Maroon Heaven on March 08, 2011, 05:25:40 PM
Anyone get the notes from Sean Graham C'ham preview night?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 08, 2011, 06:50:45 PM
All roads lead to Prestbury Park now. Any posters heading over??

I see a few people must have been following Donnellys advice as First Lieutenant has been backed for the Supreme and the Neptune. Think I'l be having a wee nibble myself.

Kauto Star is now clear second favourite at 5/1 and Long Run has drifted out to 6s.Imperial Commander is 7/2. It looks the most open Gold Cup in a while and claims could be made for any of 5 or 6 horses.
Title: Inniu
Post by: drici on March 08, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
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Title: Re: Inniu
Post by: boojangles on March 08, 2011, 06:58:47 PM
Quote from: drici on March 08, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
(http://img12.mediafire.com/bd156003c7eee09c114007bc9622da3487ceef81244183c888c819b6307462a86g.jpg)

http://www.attheraces.com/article.aspx?hlid=515053&lid=&raceid=&title=Exeter+punter+hits+%26pound;1.4m+jackpot&ref=PA+Racing+Feed&nav=&sub=&day=Tue
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 09, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Any fancies for Naas today DH?

See Ballyholland is running.  Ruby on a couple of rides also.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 09, 2011, 11:28:29 PM
Any word on fantasy horse racing thread for the festival?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Over The Last on March 09, 2011, 11:29:29 PM
Solwhit ruled out of the festival.

Going by today's Irish News, the main one they cant get away from at the sean graham preview night in monday was Big Bucks. (not very original i know) but they all seemed to agree on it and thought 5/4 is a good price.

The Murphy camp seem very bullish about Big Zeb, especially on good ground.

whats the thoughts on cue card? will it flop like dunguib?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 10, 2011, 10:39:48 AM
Got a few of these on email so will post them up


BANGOR-ON-DEE RACECOURSE CHELTENHAM PREVIEW EVENING
Thursday, March 3rd
Bangor put on their first ever Cheltenham Preview Evening which proved a very popular night (doubtless the red cabbage supper being the main draw) so I will be amazed if this is now not an annual event here. The panel comprised leading trainer Donald McCain Jnr (DM), broadcaster and commentator Stewart Machin (SM) who won a strong running of the most dapper looking shirt contest, local stud owner and influential breeder Richard Aston (RA) and Cheltenham Festival Betting Guide author Paul Jones (PJ). The evening was chaired by racecourse commentator Darren Owen (DO).
SUPREME NOVICES' HURDLE
DM: I couldn't believe they were considering the Champion Hurdle for Cue Card – the form wasn't good enough. It was a no brainer that he should go for this and he'll take the world of beating. I was very taken with Recession Proof at Newbury as you could call him the winner half-way down the back. It's top-class handicap form.
SM: I couldn't back Cue Card at the price. Spirit Son has a high cruising speed and jumps quickly and Henderson can't wait to get him on better ground. I'd rather take 6/1 Spirit Son than 9/4 Card Card.
RA: I helped sell Cue Card as a foal so have watched him very closely and to have achieved what he has achieved so far is extraordinary given his make and shape. He is my Day 1 nap.
PJ: On official ratings, there are grounds for arguing that Cue Card is too big at 9/4 but I've seen so many shorties beaten in this race. I respect Spirit Son a lot but the value here and now if he runs is Day Of A Lifetime at 25/1 for Mullins who has twice won the race with outsiders and very impressive only hurdles start where he wore earplugs having proven unsteerable in the Champion Bumper. He is the best each-way Play when non-runner no-bet comes into force as still in Neptune.
ARKLE TROPHY
DM: I was very taken with Medermit at Sandown. I couldn't have Finian's Rainbow because of the way he jumps – he's too straight backed. Ghizao strikes me as very tough. I was standing at the last when he won at Cheltenham and he wasn't
stopping.
SM: Medermit is the most likely winner. He stays further, has a high cruising speed, his jumping is getting better with every race and I liked the way he found more when Captain Chris challenged him at Sandown. Finian's Rainbow was fizzy going to the start at Warwick and had no cover in the race and I don't think it is a given he would have beaten Kilmurry if that horse did not break down. If he runs here, Captain Chris' jumping is an issue for me as he is better right-handed and that underlying problem could see them take the easier race on paper instead (Jewson).
RA: I know connections of Captain Chris are very sweet on him as an individual and believe there is a lot more improvement to come when he gets better ground. He is getting better from race to race as is his jumping.
PJ: Goodish ground would concern me a little for Ghizao, Realt Dubh has been beating the worst lot of Irish 2m novice chasers I've seen for a long time and Finian's Rainbow's jumping went to pieces at Warwick when he couldn't get his own way so it has to be Medermit for all the reasons Stewart has already outlined plus he is likely to be the highest rated hurdler in the field by a huge margin if Starluck doesn't run, and I don't think he will, and they have won half of the last ten runnings.
CHAMPION HURDLE
DM: I'm absolutely relieved that Jason's ban has been revised and he can ride Peddlers Cross. It hasn't been pleasant the last few days. To be honest, I think I was worse than Jason, who didn't show much, but he was very subdued the last couple of days when I think it suddenly hit him he might not be riding. It's a massive relief – we were only trying to do our best. I think Peddlers Cross' defeat of Binocular at Newbury has been under-rated. Before the race everyone was saying the small field was not going to suit us but we did the donkey work and won it the hard way, then
afterwards people said it did suit us! The way he gets himself to the front and travels is mind blowing and we don't know how good he is. He was 85-90% at Newbury – he didn't have an edge on him. He had a blow turning in and pickled up three times in the straight. The better the ground, the better he'll be but he will cope with bad ground. At Kelso it was very deep and the performance of the 2nd, Bygones of Brid, has been under-rated. Everyone in the north knows he's a very good horse on bad ground. Peddlers came out of Kelso tremendously well. Who do I fear? I think it's between us,
Binocular and Menorah. Hurricane Fly has only won in a bog in Ireland beating the same horse. I can't have him. That's the theory and it sounds good at the moment! Regards Overturn, he was beaten the moment he jumped off at Wincanton according to Jason. And previously at Kempton, Timmy Murphy said he was very disappointed with Starluck, which is not what I was hoping to hear.
SM: I do like track form here and Hurricane Fly doesn't have any whereas his three main rivals have all put up their best performance here. I just wonder if this may come a year too soon for Menorah as reigning Supreme winners haven't won for 40 years but the likes of Brave Inca and Hors La Loi won it later in their career and didn't he only really beat novices last time? It's between Binocular and Peddlers Cross for me and the latter is the better price but I would back them both.
RA: I just love Peddlers Cross' attitude to racing and would go for him but I have this down as just a three-horse race as wouldn't fancy Hurricane Fly.
PJ: Lack of track form is a worry for Hurricane Fly plus we only really know he is better than Solwhit who is vulnerable to a horse with a turn of foot. Menorah will run well but just come up short for me as I don't think his form is strong enough as he beat two embryo chasers last time. Before the start of the season I had it between Binocular and Peddlers Cross and what I have seen on the track has only reinforced that view. Peddlers Cross is the better priced so better value but in my gut I just think Binocular will pick him up on the run-in. He has been trained for one race only so runs this season not bother me. I've already backed both.
NEPTUNE INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT HURDLE
DM: Tornado Bob goes for this. He's not done anything wrong. Originally, Jason didn't think he was mature enough, but he's matured a fair bit. He didn't like the ground at Ascot last time but we were forced to go to get a run. He's been running well despite the ground. He doesn't lack foot and I didn't think the Neptune was that strong a race. Until I saw Oscar Wells on the TV. Really he's a chaser for next year. The RSA Chase nest year? Absolutely.
SM: There is not much strength in depth to this race. If you push my arm I would go with So Young at the prices. The fact they are talking of switching Bobs Worth for the Albert Bartlett would worry me, it suggested to me they preferred Minella Class before he got beat at Huntingdon.
RA: Oscars Well is the standout. I was very impressed with him in the Deloitte last time and can improve for Festival ground. First Lieutenant reminds me of Weapons Amnesty and give him a big chance also.
PJ: I can see a clean sweep for the Irish here as don't rate the British form at all. Bobs Worth was considered an EBF Final horse before he beat Rock On Ruby last time and that form is over-rated for me. I have no problem with Oscars Well except the value straight after the Deloitte has dried up and believe best bet here and now is So Young at 13/2 as if there is a horse that has the potential to blow the field away it could be him. Unbeaten in his last five races and trained by Willie Mullins who dropped him back to 2m last time in same race he did for Mikael D'Haguenet before he won this, if there is a special horse in the race, I think it would be So Young.
RSA CHASE
DM: Wymott has always found the job too easy and has an awful lot of ability. I was quite impressed by the way he picked up last time. Time For Rupert beat one of mine at Catterick a few years ago and I was really devastated as I fancied it a lot. Paul Webber's doing a great job with him. Can we beat him? It's a three mile novice chase around Cheltenham! And it's the first time these novices have taken each other on.
SM: This is a very good renewal in terms of strength in depth. If I wanted to back a 2/1 shot like Time For Rupert in a race like the RSA I would have wanted him to have the perfect preparation which he hasn't so would rather watch at those odds. Mikael D'Haguenet makes too many mistakes so I like the look of Wymott and Wayward Prince as both are unflashy, strong staying, far from exciting types but that is the kind of horse that wins the RSA.
RA: I bought Time For Rupert as a foal and sold him to Paul Webber as a three-year-old and he was a revelation last season and I see no chinks in him. He has got everything, he jumps, has class, stays, has guts and a superb physique.
PJ: Time For Rupert is very short for a horse trying to defy 47 years of history in that he hasn't run in the same calendar and clearly everything has not gone 100% smoothly. Like Aiteenthirtythree, he has only had two chase starts whereas the last 11 winners had at least three. Aiteenthirtythree looks too gorky for me at present and not a 'now' horse and more of a Newbury type in slow ground and I can see him getting into all kinds of trouble on Good ground. I like Jessies Dream most as he is crying out for Good ground being by Presenting and the step up to three miles and he did beat two subsequent dual Grade 1 winners when winning the Drinmore.
QUEEN MOTHER CHAMPION CHASE
DM: No strong view to be honest.
SM: Does Master Minded need it soft now? That would worry me and Big Zeb has been unimpressive in Ireland this season. In the cold light of day just how good was last year's Champion Chase anyway? Probably not good enough to win it this year. I don't fancy Somersby as at the 2m point at Ascot he was well behind Master Minded in that 2m1f race. Captain Cee Bee could be the e/w value. At his best fresh, he likes Good ground and beat Binocular in the Supreme so no worries about the course.The value has all gone about Woolcombe Folly.
RA: Question marks over everything. If Master Minded is on his game I think he will win. Big Zeb doesn't excite me.
PJ: Ground is a big worry for Master Minded and Big Zeb is a better horse anyway so should be favourite. Somersby will run on too late but I can see Woolcombe Folly or Captain Cee Bee have every chance but are they quite good enough? The value is 14/1 e/w Golden Silver who is in rude health and not far behind Big Zeb when both at their best. He has been pigeon-holed as a soft ground horse but I am not so sure and he can hit the frame under new exaggerated waiting tactics this season.
RYANAIR CHASE
DM: I have to support Riverside Theatre because I've bought his sister! He's very solid though.
SM: I place quite a lot of emphasis on track form, especially New Course form, and Poquelin does love the New Course whereas Tranquil Sea has looked far better on the Old Course and would he have it soft enough? Lack of track form puts me off Riverside Theatre to an extent so Poquelin will be a tough nut to crack.
RA: A big vested interest here as I bred Riverside Theatre and I think he will win. I don't agree he doesn't handle the course, I just thought the jockey gave up on him far too early in the Arkle last year and then he absolutely flew home. He has gears, is a good jumper and all ground comes alike to him and he is still improving.
PJ: Poquelin was also the solid one last year but he got beat then so do think he is vulnerable and believe Riverside Theatre probably has slightly more talent. I have been with Kalahari King e/w straight after he was third in the Victor Chandler Chase when very bad impeded but he is crying out for this trip on spring ground and has finished 423 at the last three Festivals and has also won at Aintree and Punchestown Festivals so he is only trained for the spring.
WORLD HURDLE
DM: Any Given Day hated the ground at Haydock – it was as testing as it's been in a long time – and was shattered afterwards. I'm hoping it was just the ground and am just waiting to see how he comes back over the next 10 days before committing. He's very tough and genuine. It's a terrible thing to say, but I just don't like Big Buck's, or should I say I just haven't taken to him. I do think he will take the world of beating. But it would freshen things up if something did. I love the way Grands Crus gallops and I'm not sure about him needing it soft. The Haydock hurdle course does not ride
as soft as people think. It's a myth. Horses kick the top off it.
SM: Looking at his action you can be forgiven for thinking that Grands Crus wants soft ground. The hurdles course on the New Course has a lot of racing so I think it will be on the easy side. He is a different style of horse to the 3m stayers that Big Buck's has usually been beating as he also has speed.
RA: Grands Crus appeals to me at the moment of a being a soft-ground horse. He is very good but whether he can beat Big Buck's is another matter.
PJ: Not a two horse race at all as Mourad is bang in this, in fact, I think he will be second to Big Buck's and not Grands Crus and is great value in a without Big Buck's book at 9/2, especially e/w as he is not finishing out of the first four. Mourad has looked very good this season and will be even better on Festival ground. I think Big Buck's will win but Mourad without the favourite is a better value bet.
TRIUMPH HURDLE
DM: I like tough horses like Marsh Warbler and Local Hero and not necessarily horses that set the world alight. A lot of horses disappointed at Haydock when Local Hero did so I would not worry about that defeat.
SM: Grandouet has rather inherited his position at the top of the betting and I can't get it out of my head how he was beaten at Wetherby. He doesn't appeal at the price. In fact none of them do. One hurdles run for Zarkander would worry me. Smad Place for me at a push after a good confidence booster last time.
RA: I've definitely got splinters from sitting on the fence on this race. Marsh Warbler if you twisted my arm.
PJ: I can't get Henderson's comment out of my head when Grandouet won at Newbury was that he was a flat track horse and would miss Cheltenham for Aintree. I think he has too much speed for a Triumph as does A Media Luz and fastish ground and undulations would worry me for big, shouldery filly like Unaccompanied even though I was taken with her Grade 1 win last time. I like Smad Place e/w as he will love a fast-run 2m1f with a stiff finish as all he does is stay for a yard with a top-notch record in the race and he ran well at Chepstow when third to Marsh Warbler considering he wasn't scoping right at the time in a tactical race that didn't play to his strengths. He may need a bit of juice but I like his e/w chance a lot.
ALBERT BARTLETT NOVICES' HURDLE
DM: Storming Gale's entry has been scrapped. I was under bidder on Champion
Court at Doncaster and was very disappointed with him the last day – he hung. Kilcrea Kim beat Drill Sergeant here when I fancied Drill Sergeant like mad. I do like tough, hard horses like him in novice events. At a big price each-way I'd suggest Radetsky March. Jason has ridden him a couple of times and likes him. He'll keep galloping.
SM: A difficult race and I think there was an over-reaction to Back In Focus winning at Haydock on his hurdling debut. 7/1 is short off one run. I quite like Habbie Simpson if he runs here rather than the Coral Cup at 20/1 e/w as he is a tough sort which you need for this race.
RA: I like Champion Court. The yard have been under a cloud but have hot form now.
PJ: If it's Goodish ground, that would put me right off Back In Focus, Join Together and Court In Motion. The two I like are Kilcrea Kim and Champion Court and hope the former runs here rather the Pertemps Final as bringing high quality handicap hurdle form into this race is a big plus. Champion Court injured himself last time so I would ignore that and judge him on his debut win over hurdles in a Grade 2 where he did everything wrong but still won and is crying out for this step up to 3m.
GOLD CUP
DM: I'm with Imperial Commander all the way. He's a hell of a tool and it was a breath of fresh air when he won last year. You can't say Denman and Kauto Star have gone but they are not what they were – that's natural progression, isn't it? As for Long Run, Kempton is a hugely different place to Cheltenham. I hear Albertas Run will run here. Weird Al is also a likely runner.
SM: I've tied myself up in knots over this race which has been marred by seeing so little of the main contenders. I am not sure connections of Imperial Commander were as ebullient deep down about his Kempton workout as they made out last week but he is the reigning champ and is this race any stronger? Denman has lost seven of his last eight races and when I spoke to Nick Williams about Diamond Harry, he was most downcast last week saying he could be an autumn horse. I do still keep coming back to Imperial Commander.
RA: Out with the old and in with the new. Long Run underachieved in the RSA but he has the right profile and there is not enough evidence to suggest he doesn't handle Cheltenham and he certainly wasn't stopping when he won the King George so the trip will not be a problem.
PJ: Kauto Star has lost his speed, Denman has lost his mid-race ability to pulverise his rivals and no horse in 50 years has won Gold Cup off longer layoff than Imperial Commander and Diamond Harry. Kempes is very interesting as is coming right at the right time and will love decent ground which he hasn't had in Ireland and we don't know if Pandorama doesn't handle Good ground yet and he is the right kind of age and does keep on winning. Long Run is the most likely winner. 12 length winners of the King George would normally be starting about 5/2 for the Gold Cup and he is only six so likely to get even better. Both Cheltenham runs he had excuses of sorts, gone in coat in RSA and 2m4f in Paddy Power got him out of rhythm at a time when yard out of sorts a bit, but he has not run the New Course yet and I reckon all he does is stay so the extra distance can be in his favour. If any horse could win the race by 15 lengths, it is Long Run.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS
DM: I'll be taking a team of 10-12 to Cheltenham. Cinders And Ashes, my bumper horse, worked really nicely here yesterday and we were delighted with him. Ebanour is more likely to wait for the Aintree bumper. The step up another 2f is made for him. Chamirey is fairly high quality. He had as easier race as I could have hoped he would at Newcastle. He goes in the 4m, gets the trip and will run a big race if he jumps.
FESTIVAL NAPS:
DM: Peddlers Cross
SM: Barafundle (Pertemps Final)
RA: Quevega
PJ: Medermit
DO: So Young
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 10, 2011, 10:50:44 AM
Cheltenham Preview Dublin
National Hunt
by riverforestraider (U11069563) 03 March 2011

Panel MC John mullin(MC) Barry Geraghty(BG) Davy Russell(DR) Colm Murphy(CM) Evan Williams(EW) Brian Flanagan(BF) Donn McClean(DMC) Paddy Power(PP).On the phone willie mullins/Paul Nicholls.

SNH
DR:Went for cue card, winner will be english, doubts zaidpour
BG:Cant decide which horse to ride, thinks cue card will win
BF:Back NH to horses with PP
EW:Recession proof top 3 and NH horses
CM:Cue card / recession proof
DMC:Spirit son



ARKLE
DR:Went with the highest rated hurdler stat Medermit unless starluck runs
DMC:medermit
BG:One of my best rides of the week Finians rainbow
EW:yes to starluck no for medermit
BF:Ghizao

CH
BG:No for HF and he likes Menorah/peddlers
DMC:Has doubts about HF
BF:Menorah, doesnt fancy binocular at all
EW:Menorah price to short, likes khyber kim at 25/
CM:Binocular
DR: Didnt sit on the fence at all, just came out and stated hurricane fly WILL win the champ hurdle!!
PP:Peddlers cross

NEPTUNE
BG:Oscars weels
DMC:Oscars wells
DR:Again came out with another bold statement, talking to paul townend who he described as a quiet jockey who doesnt go around bigging up horses,Paul told davy that so young is the best mullins horse going to cheltenham!
BF:Oscars wells
EW:Back the 2 irish horses reverse forecast
CM:Oscars wells
PP:IRISH 1-2

RSA CHASE
BG:TFR rock solid. MOTH good e/w
DR:Jessies dream not good enough to be 2nd fav
EW:1833 is a lovely horse, also likes wymott
CM:The race will suit his horse
DMC:Bostons angel e/w and like jessies dream, no to 1833.
BF:Would like to see wishfull thinking in this race

CC
EW:Big zeb
BG:Big zeb
DMC:Sizing europe is over priced arkle winners have decent record
PP:Cant beleive big zeb is not fav
CM: Big zeb is exactly where he wants him in his prep
DR:Likes sizing europe

BUMPER
BF:Big mention for cheltenian
CM:Raise the beat has a good chance
DR:APs horse star neuville and cheltianian
DMC:Ericht
EW: said keys but hes not runnin now

WORLD
BG:Big buck is a cert, used the quote buying noney
DMC:Likes mourad
PP:Solwhit e/w
DR:Solwhit has a chance, will be doin his best work late in the race
EW:BB
CM:BB, Banker of the week
BF:Mourad underrated

RYANAIR
BG:Poquelin/riverside thatre
CM:Was talkin to mcnamara and hes very bullish of tranquil sea
DR:Bet of the meeting tranquil sea
EW:Riverside thatre
BF:Another on the tranquil sea train, great value at 6/1
DMC:Kalahari king should have everything right for him.

TRIUMPH
BG:Sam winner biggest threat to his horse Grandouet
DMC:Very sweet on unaccompanied
EW:Very impressed with zarkander
DR:Forget all the dermot weld stats theyre going to cheltenham with a serious horse and he thinks she will win
DMC:Zarkander and unaccompanied against the field
PP:Zarkander

GOLD CUP
EW:Imperial commander to win
DR/BF/BG:All think denmans newbury run is the best bit of form in the book and pick him cause of this
DMC:Thinks the 2 irish horses kempes and pandorama have a good chance at nice prices
PP:Described Imperial commander as bullet proof

PP offered them all €150 charity bet
EW:Williams wishes in the grand annual
BF:PlanA in fred winter
CM:Tranquil sea
BG:Big Zeb
DR:25e/w on gagewellflyer in AB and 100win on hurricane fly
DMC:Some target NHC
JM:Just amazing foxhunters
PP:Recession proof

Mullins on phone
Delighted with quevega prep and its all systems go, drying ground will help HF, more improvement in kempes, quel esprit was impressive in ltown gallop will go for the RSA with MDH,in handicaps call the police and blackstairmountain have a chance, allure of illusion num1 bumper horse

Nicholls didnt give much info
Ghizao his best chance day 1, happy with mm big zeb one to beat, al ferof is improving will be better chaser next year, they all have to beat big bucks(thanks for that paul!)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 10, 2011, 10:57:09 AM
from Exeter

Panel:
MC – Zoey Bird (ZB)
David Pipe (DP)
Nick Williams (NW)
Paul Nicholls (PN)
Philip Hobbs (PH)
Andrew King (AK)
Paddy Power, represented by Paul Binfield (PB)

TUESDAY

ZB: Let's start with the first race of the 2011 Festival, the Supreme Novices' Hurdle...Cue Card sets a very high standard...
NW: His best form was shown before Christmas so that would be a worry for me. Nicky Henderson's horses are flying and both of his (Spirit Son and Sprinter Sacre) can shake up the favourite.
AK: Both of Henderson's horses are high class. Sprinter Sacre potentially better of the pair but whether they can deal with Cue Card is another matter.
PB: Barry Geraghty has a tough choice between the two Henderson horses but it'll take a good one to Beat Cue Card
PN: For me Spirit Son is the best of the two Henderson horses. He killed Cedre Bleu here (at Exeter) and I think quite a lot of Cedre Bleu. Al Ferof is a big price though, he jumps really well but he does have to improve.
PH: Cue Card is very good but I agree with Nick that not running for a while may be an issue. Dunraven Storm has a squeak if I can get him there but he banged a joint this week.



ZB: On to the Arkle, Paul, what about Ghizao?
PN: He's in good order and worked really well on Sunday. His form is good and he goes well fresh. He's had a little break which was always the plan as we're looking at good to Cheltenham then Aintree and then Punchestown. I can't have Finian's Rainbow so Medermit is the one to beat.
PH: We'll decide after this weekend about whether Captain Chris goes here or the Jewson. I think 2m4f is his trip but Richard Johnson thinks 2m is! Jewson looks easier.
PB: Starluck is interesting if connections decide to come here, not Aintree.
AK: I thought Captain Chris was unlucky to be beaten by Medermit at Sandown last time but Ghizao is still the one to beat.
NW: Finian's Rainbow has been running in uncompetitive heats and so Medermit shades it for me.
DP: I quite like Finian's Rainbow but Ghizao is rock solid. I'd prefer Captain Chris in the 2m4f race (Jewson).



ZB: Champion Hurdle, the main race of the entire meeting?
PH: Menorah is great. Everything has gone to plan, I'm very happy with him and it's all systems go.
AK: Binocular was very impressive last year and it's tough to oppose him this year. Menorah and Peddlers Cross the obvious dangers.
PB: Hurricane Fly is a big loser for us but Dunguib is a big price for me.
NW: Front of the betting is solid but of that group I'd just give Menorah the edge.
PN: It's a good renewal. Menorah and Peddlers Cross are the two I'd like and if Jason Maguire's ban is upheld I wouldn't be surprised if Ruby (Walsh) took the ride on Peddlers Cross.

Other Tuesday action...

ZB: David, Great Endeavour for the Andy Stewart sponsored race?
DP: He's crying out for the step up in trip over fences so we'll either run here or the Gold Cup.
ZB: Reve De Sivola for the same race Nick?
NW: Off a mark of 140 he should be competitive, the step up in trip will really help.
ZB: Anything else on day one for you Paul?
PN: Definity will run in the Centenary Novices' Chase. His current mark is very nice.



WEDNESDAY

ZB: Let's start with the Neptune...
PB: Oscar Wells has been impressive so far but favourites don't have a great record in this race (two wins in last 10 years).
AK: Minella class didn't look great when beaten at Huntingdon so now it's very open.
ZB: So Young?
PB: It's tricky because we don't know what might run in the Albert Bartlett. That said, Bobs Worth will be tough to beat in either race!
PN: Rock On Ruby ran well at Cheltenham last time and on better ground I think we can bridge the 2 length gap with Bobs Worth. The form of that race is solid and we have a great chance.



ZB: Time For Rupert sets a solid standard in the RSA?
NW: He's a strong contender but, like Cue Card, he hasn't run for a while which could be a problem. Aiteen Thirtythree's price is wrong compared to the likes of Wymott and Wayward Prince, he should be shorter.
PN: Aiteen Thirtythree is rated 159 which is only 2lbs behind Time For Rupert so the handicapper has them close. I've always thought he was a good horse, ever since his Point-to-Point days and he's done nothing wrong so far. Time For Rupert is the one to beat.
AK: I'd love to see Wishfull Thinking here as for me he as a massive e/w chance. Jessies Dream has a very good chance.
PB: Jessies Dream has a massive chance, along with Master Of The Hall who did it nicely in the Reynoldstown at Ascot last weekend.



ZB: On to the Champion Chase, how is Master Minded Paul?
PN: I don't think we'll ever repeat his performance from 3 years ago. He's had a nice break since Ascot and looked really well at evening stables tonight. I think everyone has us to beat. Woolcombe Folly, on good ground, will go very well. His progress this year has amazed me.
PB: Somersby should run in the Ryanair but Master Minded will be tough to beat.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 10, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
cheers for those maddog, always an interesting insight to see what the Previews throw up.

Anyone doing a Cheltenham tips comp this year?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread - words greatest race
Post by: bcarrier on March 10, 2011, 11:56:47 AM
http://www.drf.com/blogs/what-worlds-greatest-race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 10, 2011, 03:40:48 PM
See a good bit of money coming for So Young in the Neptune.  Into 4/1 2nd Fav with most bookmakers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 11, 2011, 03:29:53 PM
Donnelly has been very quiet recently. Interested to hear ur Cheltenham thoughts man. Hows the ante post coupons looking?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on March 11, 2011, 05:44:47 PM
For latest betting odds and updates


http://www.cheltenham-festival.co.uk/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 11, 2011, 09:31:07 PM
Time to nail the colours to the mast so:

Tuesday

The Supreme doesn't look the greatest renewal. Bar Day Of A Lifetime I wouldn't give the Irish horses a prayer. I was sweet on Dunguib last year but he didn't have the gears to win this and I think Cue Card might suffer the same fate - his dam ran in the English National! I backed Spirit Son e/w after he won at Exeter and I hope to get a good run for my money.

Can't be confident about anything in the Arkle. I put up Finians Rainbow on here earlier in the Autumn but I wasn't impressed the last day at Warwick and I'm not convinced he'll find a great deal off the bridle. Medermit is a joke of a price. He refused at Huntingdon and some of his hurdles form flatters him. I find it hard to believe that Realt Dubh will be good enough. He's a likeable sort but surely he's not an Arkle winner. I'm tempted to take a chance on Blazing Tempo e/w in the hope that she runs. If Walsh rides (every chance with Timmy Murphy on Ghizao), she'll tumble in price.

Champion Hurdle is really a race to savour. I've fancied Hurricane Fly for this (for years!) and I've been backing him e/w for the last few weeks. I think his price is insulting and I hope he really makes the English hacks eat their words next Tuesday. The arguments they're putting up against him are flawed IMO. They say you can't back him because he's never ran at Cheltenham - in that case you'd never back a novice or bumper horse at the track, who is to say he won't relish the track? They also say he only beats Solwhit - this is nonsense, he doesn't beat Solwhit, he laughs at him and it's not as if Solwhit is some selling plater. Binocular is high class on his day but he is frustratingly inconsistent. He ran like a drain at Sandown and Rue The Noise who is a very moderate mare looked to have him in trouble at one stage. I think Hurricane Fly will find him out. Menorah is likeable but I don't think his form stacks up as good as they are saying - he only beat two novices in the Bula. Peddlers Cross surely won't be quick enough and should be running (and winning) this year's Arkle.

Quevega is my banker of the meeting. Voler La Vedette is the second best mare in training and Murphy isn't even bothering sending her over. Apparently she burned up the Old Vic gallop at the Curragh last week and is bouncing at home. Should be some craic in Clane on Tuesday if she makes it three in a row.

Wednesday

The Neptune looks like one for the Irish raiders. Geraghty thinks Bobs Worth should be going for the three miler so I suspect he might find a few of our horses too sharp for him. So Young could be anything but he has beaten rubbish horses over here and is way too short on all known form. He may well be an aeroplane and win easily but I couldn't back him. Oscars Well was very impressive in the Deloitte but I suspect he may need soft ground. I've been banging on about First Lieutenant for over a year and he is a cracking e/w bet in this. He's the forgotten horse but he'll improve for the better ground and Mouse will have him tuned to the minute for this.

Time For Rupert looks very beatable in the RSA. His hurdles form isn't as good as it is being made out to be and to my eyes, he wasn't overly impressive in his two chase starts. What beats him? Jessies Dream will improve for the ground but I'd worry about him going left handed. Magnanimity and Bostons Angel would both need the heavens to open. Mikael D'Haguenet (should be running in the Arkle IMO) doesn't look the horse he was two years ago and the Mullins camp are favouring Quel Esprit who I respect. I like a horse called The Giant Bolster at a big price. He was only beaten 7L in the Neptune last year when 200/1 and he fell at the top of the hill when well in contention in the race that Time For Rupert won in November. He's since won a handicap under top weight at the track and he might plod on into a place here.

I don't have a strong opinion on the Champion Chase. I don't like Master Minded and I don't buy into the excuses that were offered for his near defeat at Ascot. Big Zeb should be favourite but he's not a young horse himself and he's certainly no Moscow Flyer. His price at the moment is probably about right. Somersby should be in the Ryanair and Woolcome Folly ran shite in the Arkle last year. If there was a decent bit of cut I'd have an e/w nibble on Golden Silver but I might give Captain Cee Bee another chance. He possesses so much raw ability and if McCoy can get him into a rhythm early on, he could go close.

Get the darts out for the bumper - my advice if you do have a bet is to trust your instincts and don't buy into the inevitable hype about any horse.

Thursday

Don't have a strong opinion on the Ryanair. I fancied Riverside Theatre before he was pulled out and I think Somersby or even Sizing Europe would win this if they weren't in the Champion. Rubi Light might run a decent race if there was an ease in the ground.

Big Bucks will be all the rage in the Stayers and it is hard to knock him but he is a similar price to Quevega and I've no doubt as to who is the safer bet. Grand Cru could be anything and it is hard to judge Big Bucks considering this division is so weak. I can't have Mourad at all - he is a soft horse who finds little off the bit and probably needs cut in the ground. Fiveforthree is a nice e/w price and will probably be my bet in the race.

Loosen My Load has a very good chance in the Jewson. Fingers crossed that Blazing Tempo goes for the Arkle instead.

Friday

I have backed Unaccompanied (mainly because of the Moyglare connection) antepost but the Triumph looks a complete lottery as usual. DK has said she needs soft ground but it was far from soft when she won on the flat down in Killarney. She is a fine big mare and she jumped super at Leopardstown. She also gets an extra 2lbs allowance in England. I don't know what to make of the English horses - I'd respect Henderson. Zarandkar is the horse for money but I thought he looked very small at Kempton and I'm not sure he'll stay. Sam Winner on the other hand looks like he might lack a gear.

You can find fault with everything in the Gold Cup. Kauto Star and Denman are in decline and are both priced on past achievements rather than form. I like Imperial Commander but the vibes have not been positive recently and he's no spring chicken himself. Long Run clearly has an engine but I don't rate the jock and I can see him being roughed up Carvills Hill style. Kempes has done nothing wrong in the past twelve months but I can't have an Intikhab gelding out of a Royal Academy mare winning a Cheltenham Gold Cup. I always thought Pandorama would make a Gold Cup horse one day but he is ground dependent. He worked brilliantly at Leopardstown last week but if it's quick ground come next Friday, I'll be sitting this race out.

On The Fringe is a great e/w bet in the Foxhunters.

I'll post up my thoughts on the handicaps when the ground and running-plans become clearer. It should be a great 4 days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 12, 2011, 09:53:44 AM
Ive followed you all the way down the line DH with the ante post. Here's hoping for a good week.

Ruby has a couple of good rides at Sandown today. He's due a winner. Maybe worth a look.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 12, 2011, 11:40:48 AM
Great stuff Donnelly. Would love to see Hurricane Fly do the business. Would definitely rub a few peoples noses in it.

David Pipe seemed quite keen on Dynaste Sandown 1.55. Has a big weight to carry though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 12, 2011, 01:24:48 PM
sand 1.55 cucumber run. sand 3.00 arrayan. hopefully 2 winners to help the funds for cheltenham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 12, 2011, 01:42:31 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 12, 2011, 01:24:48 PM
sand 1.55 cucumber run. sand 3.00 arrayan. hopefully 2 winners to help the funds for cheltenham

hope you're right, i have both in a lucky 31 along with Duff (berrys only mount at wolverhampton), Crackerjacklad at Ayr and Somatic at Limerick
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Big Puff on March 12, 2011, 02:45:21 PM
Putting all my cheltenham eggs in cue cards basket.

important to get off to a good start!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 12, 2011, 02:45:48 PM
Dasho going in one minute at 2:45 13/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2011, 11:13:55 AM
Binocular out of the Champion. Ruby rides the Fly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 13, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 11, 2011, 09:31:07 PM
Time to nail the colours to the mast so:


You can find fault with everything in the Gold Cup. Kauto Star and Denman are in decline and are both priced on past achievements rather than form. I like Imperial Commander but the vibes have not been positive recently and he's no spring chicken himself. Long Run clearly has an engine but I don't rate the jock and I can see him being roughed up Carvills Hill style. Kempes has done nothing wrong in the past twelve months but I can't have an Intikhab gelding out of a Royal Academy mare winning a Cheltenham Gold Cup. I always thought Pandorama would make a Gold Cup horse one day but he is ground dependent. He worked brilliantly at Leopardstown last week but if it's quick ground come next Friday, I'll be sitting this race out.

On The Fringe is a great e/w bet in the Foxhunters.

I'll post up my thoughts on the handicaps when the ground and running-plans become clearer. It should be a great 4 days.


What is your view on midnight chase in gold cup?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2011, 11:33:37 AM
Very hard to believe he's be good enough to win but it's an open year and there's nearly always some slow old boat the plods on for a place in the Gold Cup - Mon Mome, Turpin Green, Forget The Past, Take The Stand, Truckers Tavern. He could well join that illustrious list!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2011, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 13, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
What is your view on midnight chase in gold cup?

I know you weren't asking me, maddog but I have a strong fancy for Midnight Chase. For me, it's a bit of a toss-up to decide whether to overlook Imperial Commander and I've decided I will, simply on the basis that I THINK he's a notch below his best of last year. But I could be completely wrong.

But having decided that, you couldn't look past the second-season chasers for this year's winner. There are seven of them – China Rock, Kempes, Long Run, Midnight Chase, Pandorama, Synchronised and Weird Al.

Of all of them, I like Midnight Chase. Of course there are question marks about his real class – he has only been winning handicaps (albeit giving away piles of weight all around him on his last couple of wins) and he has never competed in anything like the company he'll have on Friday. But he has kept on winning and he's remarkably consistent – placed in 17 of his 20 starts and winning 11 of them.

But what sets him apart from the others for me is his Cheltenham record. He's run there six times, winning four and placed in the other two. He's won on his last four starts there. None of the other contenders can approach that sort of proven liking for the place.

He stays and stays, running the guts out of his field in his last few runs and seems to perform in all sorts of going. He's just the sort of horse that will give you every ounce and a run for your money every time.

I would have a worry about his jumping in a Gold Cup. He seems to have a couple of hairy moments in every race. On the other hand, the fact that he's never come down may mean he's handy on his feet and able to get out of trouble.

I think he's very good each way value at 15 or 16/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 14, 2011, 09:54:14 AM
cheers for the opinions DH and Hardy, with all the question marks and stats against Kauto, Denman, Imperial Commander, id be looking for the EW alternative. Ive always liked Pandorama but on his one run over here he was ran off his feet and out the back very early. The ground will be interesting, very dry and sunny today so will be firming up the whole time. By Friday it could be officially Good going.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2011, 03:10:21 PM
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF690/497486.jpg)

Over to you gents.

Am I the only one who is beginning to harbour slight concerns about the form of the Mullins string? Only one winner from the last twenty runners and eleven of those horses went off favourite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 14, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Is no one going to do a tipping comp this year?  Some great work by Treasurer last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 14, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 14, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Is no one going to do a tipping comp this year?  Some great work by Treasurer last year.

*Coughs loudly*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2011, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 14, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 14, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Is no one going to do a tipping comp this year?  Some great work by Treasurer last year.

*Coughs loudly*

x2

Haven't the time myself to run it this year. Getting the ferry over later tonight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 14, 2011, 04:38:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2011, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 14, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 14, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Is no one going to do a tipping comp this year?  Some great work by Treasurer last year.

*Coughs loudly*

x2

Haven't the time myself to run it this year. Getting the ferry over later tonight.

You better have access to the board from Prestbury Park DH or there will be a ban coming!   ;D

I think Captain Chris is a huge price at 9/1 tomorrow in the Arkle!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 14, 2011, 04:44:46 PM
Sorry lads, no sense of organisational skills at all!!

DH we will be waiting patiently for your thoughts every day - no pressure!  Have a great time!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on March 14, 2011, 04:49:51 PM
Heading up myself on wednesday, was meant to go tomorrow as well but somethings come up unfortunately. Looking forward to it, i generally go at least one day each year and i'm generally successful enough.

Any final thoughts on the outstanding races before you head off DH? You must feel at times as though all the gamblers on the board are depending on you to win them some money!!

Midnight Chase for me in the big one on Friday although as i type its been rumoured that Dougie Costello has just broken his ankle!! He's off to hospital in an ambulance after a fall. Gutted for him as i have a vested interest in his rides as he knows my flatmate particularly well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2011, 04:56:59 PM
Agree re Captain Chris. Been having a look at the handicaps for tomorrow. Looks insanely difficult. I'm torn between Carole's Legacy and Reve De Sivola in the William Hill. Divers for Ferdy Murphy and Graham Lee in the last looks like he's been laid out for the festival.

Probably won't be on for the rest of the week. Sir Des Champs in the Conditionals Handicap (won't get into the Coral Cup) on Friday will probably be my biggest bet in the handicaps. Don't be too patriotic in the handicaps because most of ours look weighted to the hilt - Call The Police is one of the only fancied ones to be running near his Irish mark. Keep an eye out for the yards from the North of England. There's always two or three of them that go in at big odds every year in the supporting races.

That's a shame for Costello if it's true. I fancied him to have a big chance on Moonlight Drive in the three mile novice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 14, 2011, 06:12:52 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2011, 04:56:59 PM
Agree re Captain Chris. Been having a look at the handicaps for tomorrow. Looks insanely difficult. I'm torn between Carole's Legacy and Reve De Sivola in the William Hill. Divers for Ferdy Murphy and Graham Lee in the last looks like he's been laid out for the festival.

Probably won't be on for the rest of the week. Sir Des Champs in the Conditionals Handicap (won't get into the Coral Cup) on Friday will probably be my biggest bet in the handicaps. Don't be too patriotic in the handicaps because most of ours look weighted to the hilt - Call The Police is one of the only fancied ones to be running near his Irish mark. Keep an eye out for the yards from the North of England. There's always two or three of them that go in at big odds every year in the supporting races.

That's a shame for Costello if it's true. I fancied him to have a big chance on Moonlight Drive in the three mile novice.
;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 14, 2011, 09:27:26 PM
Whats peoples doubles for tomorrow?

im going for Magens Star e/w @ 20s & Quevega double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 14, 2011, 09:41:08 PM
Willie Mullins was strangely bearish about Quevega this evening on the wireless. You could read between the lines that he's leppin out of his skin with delight at having (almost, at this stage) got Hurricane Fly to the gate at Cheltenham and I think he thinks it's a winner. (I certainly do - my absolute banker for the week).

But, while not negative about Quevega, you got a sense of reservation. She's in good nick, he said, if not quite at the level of last year. "But she's strong". Not exactly a banker-type endorsement. I'm still backing her, though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 14, 2011, 09:43:11 PM
Menorah and Quevega for me tomorrow though.

But if Menorah has to be beat I really hope it is the Fly who does it.

Finians for the Arkle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 14, 2011, 09:45:03 PM
For whats its worth ive done a £1 ew lucky 15 for the first four races, Recession proof 8/1, Captain Chris 8/1, Caroles Legacy 14/1 and Menorah 4/1. Pays a handsome £9,862 if they all win - but i'll not spend the money just yet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 14, 2011, 09:58:37 PM
My guesses well studied picks will be;

Dunraven Storm 20/1
Finian's rainbow 4/1
Sunnyhillboy 6/1
Dunguib 8/1
Garde champetre  9/2
Quevega 1/1
Swing Bill 14/1

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 14, 2011, 10:28:55 PM
for what its worth :P

champion Hurde
Peddlers Cross..


My NAP of the day... 
Unbeaten in all of his starts.
Is a c/d winner, won here last March
All his wins been on softish ground..
Has won 4 class 1, Could be a future Gold cup winner

13.30 CHELTENHAM - SPIRIT SON 5/1 NB (Paddy Power)

The selection is a 5 year old bay Gelding out of the Nicky Henderson. Spirit Son has only had the 2 runs to date but he has been mightily impressive in both starts. His latest start was at Exeter in a mud-fest where he trounced a useful performer in Cedre Bleu by 21 lengths, that was a trot. That rival had already beaten Titan De Sarti who is a well regarded Nicky Henderson in-mate who is being aimed at the Fred Winter Handicap on Wednesday, he is also near the head of the market at a price of 8/1. That form looks rock solid and we can only expect a bundle of improvement from Spirit Son.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 14, 2011, 10:42:58 PM
Magens Star or Zaidpour
Finian's rainbow
Blazing Bailey or Carole's Legacy
The Fly (NAP)
Garde Champetre
Quevaga
American Trilogy or Quantativeeasing


I'm all ready for an even worse festival than last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 14, 2011, 11:35:21 PM
Going for

Al Ferof
Ghizao
Rare Bob e/w
Oscar Whiskey e/w plus Menorah straight
Oscar bay e/w
La Vecchio scuola e/w
Tullamore Dew

Plus a money making brick wall of Chelsea, Man United and Real Madrid at 17/10 to boost the betting pot for thursday ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 14, 2011, 11:51:14 PM
My selections:

E/W Lucky 15

Spirit Son @ 5/1
Captain Chris @ 8/1
Hurricane Fly @ 4/1
Divers @ 8/1

E/W Double:

Sunnyhillboy @ 6/1
Dunguib @ 15/2

Double:

Cue Card
Quevega


Not a mad amount of Queens head put on any of the bets but covers quite a lot and gives a bit of interest...  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 14, 2011, 11:57:12 PM
I've Zaidpour e/w, Hurricane Fly with my biggest bet ever and Quevega already done. Might do a small treble or quad on the other races tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 15, 2011, 12:00:58 AM
On the Fringe seems to have a huge chance ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 15, 2011, 12:20:20 AM
Cheltenham Yankee with Boylesports - Gtd Prices
1.30 Al Ferof 9/1
3.20 Menoarah 7/2
4.00 One Cool Cookie 18/1
4.40 Quevega 10/11
Stake €11 - Potential Return €1.8k
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 12:22:05 AM
I have the Fly from way back, but if you're planning to back him, a good piece of advice was given on Setanta's preview tonight - wait until he goes to post. He can be excitable and he hasn't experienced anything like Cheltenham before, so if he's fizzed up you might want to reconsider.

Also, if you're having a bet in the Supreme Novices', Paddy Power is giving money back if Cue Card wins, so it's a free bet without Cue Card if you don't fancy him (which I don't - stats are stacked against him).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 12:26:50 AM
Gibb River e.w.
Finian's Rainbow
2:40 - keeping the hands in the pockets
Hurricane Fly
L'Ami
Quevega
5:15 - see 2:40
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 15, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
Does anyone have link to live stream of racing uk? I know someone posted the link last year. I waslooking for it but couldnt find it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: highorlow on March 15, 2011, 08:31:50 AM
Cue Card,
Medermit,
Bensalem,
Hurricane Fly,
Freneys Well,
Quevega,
Glenstal Abbey
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 08:37:10 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 15, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
Does anyone have link to live stream of racing uk? I know someone posted the link last year. I waslooking for it but couldnt find it.

That may have been Betfair's live video - no longer available.

The best bet is racinguk.com but it's a subscription service - £10/month.

There are a few unofficial streaming sites here:
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=108853&part=sports (http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=108853&part=sports)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 15, 2011, 09:01:29 AM
Dunraven Storm ew
Medermit
Sunnyhillboy
Peddlers Cross
L'ami
Quevega
Definity

Best of luck to all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 15, 2011, 09:11:43 AM
I know I shouldn't dignify him with a response but pathetic comments from McCririck there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 15, 2011, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 12:26:50 AM
Gibb River e.w.
Finian's Rainbow
2:40 - keeping the hands in the pockets
Hurricane Fly
L'Ami
Quevega
5:15 - see 2:40

I know you are a great man for the stats Hardy so to help you out in the 2.40

Aged 7 to 10 (10 out of 10)
Carried no more than 10st 12lb (10 out of 10)
Officially rated 129-143 (10 out of 10)
Won over at least 3 miles (9 out of 10)
Finished 1st 2nd or 3rd on either or both of last 2 starts (9 out of 10)
Top four finish last time out (9 out of 10)
No more than 11 runs over fences (8 out of 10)
Ran no more than 4 times that season (7 out of 10)

3 of the last 7 have been novices but previously had a terrible record.








Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 15, 2011, 10:08:04 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 15, 2011, 09:11:43 AM
I know I shouldn't dignify him with a response but pathetic comments from McCririck there.

?????

Must have missed that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on March 15, 2011, 10:10:48 AM
2.40      Reve De Sivola   9/1        e/w
3.20      Peddlers Cross  4/1        win
5.15      Divers               8/1        e/w

Quevega will probably win the 4.40 but will be no price; probably go off evens or worse.

An Enda Bolger trained horse will more than likely win the 4.00 race.  He has 4 runners in the race but it is probably between either Garde Champetre (5/1) and Lami (7/1).

I shall be keeping my hands in my pockets for the rest of the card!  Its only Tue!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on March 15, 2011, 10:12:48 AM
Maddog,

Where do you access the stats for individual races?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 10:16:38 AM
E/W Lucky 15

1.30 Sprint Sarce 9/1
2.05 Captain Chris 9/1
3.20 Hurricane Fly 4/1
5.15 Definitiy 8/1

E/W Double

Bensalem 5/1
Maljimar 8/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 15, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
Is there any value in keeping an eye on oddschecker just before each race to see whose showing positive and negatives on all the betting exchanges when they're going down and betting accordingly?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 15, 2011, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on March 15, 2011, 10:12:48 AM
Maddog,

Where do you access the stats for individual races?

Racing Post Cheltenham Festival Guide - hopefully a tenner well spent
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RGU08 on March 15, 2011, 11:06:59 AM
Went for Lucky 15 50p

1.30 - Spirit Son
3.20 - Hurricane Fly
4.40 - La Vecchia Scuola
5.15 - Quantitativeeasing

£2.50 Double

2.05 - Realt Dubh
2.40 - No Panic
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 15, 2011, 11:10:30 AM
well Radda market moves can occur at anytime and can be based on good sound knowledge but the majority of the time they are based on opinions an example being the ground or how a horse looks in the paddock. The majority of these horse that are running in the bigger races should be at the top of their game coming into today so it will be up to the individual punters to make theri mind up and place the money. A horse not eating up overnight is enough to sway a betting ring, once someone gtes wind of this the horse will drift in the market. You also have to take into account the journey especially the Irish horses but all these factors could lead to last minute market movement. The key is getting the right information before betting and only sometimes betting exchanges reflect this.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 15, 2011, 11:28:40 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 15, 2011, 11:10:30 AM
well Radda market moves can occur at anytime and can be based on good sound knowledge but the majority of the time they are based on opinions an example being the ground or how a horse looks in the paddock. The majority of these horse that are running in the bigger races should be at the top of their game coming into today so it will be up to the individual punters to make theri mind up and place the money. A horse not eating up overnight is enough to sway a betting ring, once someone gtes wind of this the horse will drift in the market. You also have to take into account the journey especially the Irish horses but all these factors could lead to last minute market movement. The key is getting the right information before betting and only sometimes betting exchanges reflect this.

Thanks winsamsoon. Was just thinking it could be a useful tool to back a long shot for an each way bet - haven't tried dong this before!

On another note should we set up a new thread for just people to pick winners each day to see who does best!!! Your man stiffler picked the most winners in 2009 and i'm sick of his slabbering!!!  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: highorlow on March 15, 2011, 12:12:02 PM
1 hour and fifteen to go.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on March 15, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
cue card
finian's
bensalem
hurricane
garde
quevega
tharawaat-on borrowed wings
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 15, 2011, 12:27:15 PM
Lucky 15 to start with.

Sprinter Sacre
Capt Chris
Reve De Sivola
Hurricane Fly

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 15, 2011, 01:19:15 PM
Lucky 15

Cue Card
Medermit
Menora
Maljimar
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 15, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
recession proof
finians rainbow
bensalem
hurricane fly

lucky 15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 15, 2011, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 12:26:50 AM
Gibb River e.w.
Finian's Rainbow
2:40 - keeping the hands in the pockets
Hurricane Fly
L'Ami
Quevega
5:15 - see 2:40

I know you are a great man for the stats Hardy so to help you out in the 2.40

Aged 7 to 10 (10 out of 10)
Carried no more than 10st 12lb (10 out of 10)
Officially rated 129-143 (10 out of 10)
Won over at least 3 miles (9 out of 10)
Finished 1st 2nd or 3rd on either or both of last 2 starts (9 out of 10)
Top four finish last time out (9 out of 10)
No more than 11 runs over fences (8 out of 10)
Ran no more than 4 times that season (7 out of 10)

3 of the last 7 have been novices but previously had a terrible record.


Thanks maddog - will try to study between now and then.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: highorlow on March 15, 2011, 01:31:06 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/live.html

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 15, 2011, 01:37:51 PM
nice wee start to the week. backed ruby!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 15, 2011, 01:41:07 PM
Does anyone know if paddy power was paying out on 5 places for the opener? I cant remember and cant get on the site at work.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 15, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
1/4 the odds 1,2 & 3 just.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 01:43:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 15, 2011, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 12:26:50 AM
Gibb River e.w.
Finian's Rainbow
2:40 - keeping the hands in the pockets
Hurricane Fly
L'Ami
Quevega
5:15 - see 2:40

I know you are a great man for the stats Hardy so to help you out in the 2.40

Aged 7 to 10 (10 out of 10)
Carried no more than 10st 12lb (10 out of 10)
Officially rated 129-143 (10 out of 10)
Won over at least 3 miles (9 out of 10)
Finished 1st 2nd or 3rd on either or both of last 2 starts (9 out of 10)
Top four finish last time out (9 out of 10)
No more than 11 runs over fences (8 out of 10)
Ran no more than 4 times that season (7 out of 10)

3 of the last 7 have been novices but previously had a terrible record.


Thanks maddog - will try to study between now and then.

No horse meets all criteria, but Adams Island and Slippers Percy meet seven of the top eight. Think I'll dutch the two of them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 15, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on March 15, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
1/4 the odds 1,2 & 3 just.

Ah bollocks to that then! Cheers haranguerer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2011, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 01:43:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 15, 2011, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2011, 12:26:50 AM
Gibb River e.w.
Finian's Rainbow
2:40 - keeping the hands in the pockets
Hurricane Fly
L'Ami
Quevega
5:15 - see 2:40

I know you are a great man for the stats Hardy so to help you out in the 2.40

Aged 7 to 10 (10 out of 10)
Carried no more than 10st 12lb (10 out of 10)
Officially rated 129-143 (10 out of 10)
Won over at least 3 miles (9 out of 10)
Finished 1st 2nd or 3rd on either or both of last 2 starts (9 out of 10)
Top four finish last time out (9 out of 10)
No more than 11 runs over fences (8 out of 10)
Ran no more than 4 times that season (7 out of 10)

3 of the last 7 have been novices but previously had a terrible record.


Thanks maddog - will try to study between now and then.

No horse meets all criteria, but Adams Island and Slippers Percy meet seven of the top eight. Think I'll dutch the two of them.

Adams Island. Surely an omen. I presume there's an apostrophe missing after the s?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 15, 2011, 01:49:44 PM
thought Spirit Son had it going over last but seemed to pull sideways, perfectly timed ride by Ruby though.  Agh well money back
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 02:05:39 PM
For interest in the next,  stuck 2.50 Reverse Forecast on Captain Chris and Ghiazo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 02:10:49 PM
Captain Chris wins it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 15, 2011, 02:12:17 PM
 :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 10:16:38 AM
E/W Lucky 15

1.30 Sprint Sarce 9/1
2.05 Captain Chris 9/1
3.20 Hurricane Fly 4/1
5.15 Definitiy 8/1

E/W Double

Bensalem 5/1
Maljimar 8/1

Going alright so far!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 03:00:10 PM
Bensaleem wins!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 15, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
Anybody fancy Tullamore Dew 5.15 today ?
Title: Cuileog
Post by: drici on March 15, 2011, 03:24:54 PM
Hurricane Fly.
Yahoo.
Title: Foscailte
Post by: drici on March 15, 2011, 03:27:14 PM
Good luck in running and managed to get past a large jar of jam that someone had deliberately left open on the run-in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 15, 2011, 03:28:16 PM
C'mon the Hurricane saan, ya good thing ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: highorlow on March 15, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
Delighted for Willie Mullins.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2011, 03:35:46 PM
fantastic race, great horse, great jockey, great trainer, brilliant result for the punters and the Irish folk over there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 10:16:38 AM
E/W Lucky 15

1.30 Sprint Sarce 9/1
2.05 Captain Chris 9/1

3.20 Hurricane Fly 4/1

5.15 Definitiy 8/1

E/W Double

Bensalem 5/1
Maljimar 8/1

Going alright so far!

Going very good!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 15, 2011, 03:37:57 PM
Couldn't back him myself, but you have to be delighted for all the connections. That is one Ruby wanted and Willie deserves one. I wouldn't like to be Hardy's bookie after that one!!

Lets hope Quevega can follow it up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 15, 2011, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 10:16:38 AM
E/W Lucky 15

1.30 Sprint Sarce 9/1
2.05 Captain Chris 9/1

3.20 Hurricane Fly 4/1

5.15 Definitiy 8/1

E/W Double

Bensalem 5/1
Maljimar 8/1

Going alright so far!

Going very good!!


Class.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 15, 2011, 03:39:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 15, 2011, 12:27:15 PM
Lucky 15 to start with.

Sprinter Sacre
Capt Chris
Reve De Sivola
Hurricane Fly

Good luck to all.

Happy enough with that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on March 15, 2011, 04:01:10 PM
Ruby could well end up with four winners today, hope he does as i went up and backed him for the last two races.  Both favourites
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 15, 2011, 04:11:49 PM
Sizing Australia wins Cross Country.

Garde second and A New Story third.

Irish 1-2-3
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 15, 2011, 04:13:03 PM
was nina close?

place suits ok but would have been made up with a victory!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2011, 04:15:32 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 15, 2011, 04:13:03 PM
was nina close?

place suits ok but would have been made up with a victory!!!

Was never really catching the winner to be honest

1st  8  Sizing Australia  10 9  A E Lynch  13/2 

2nd 1 1/4 length 1  Garde Champetre  11 12  Miss N Carberry  5/1 2F 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 15, 2011, 04:24:07 PM
Again, wasn't on the winner, but delighted for the connections, who brought me much joy with Sizing Europe. Great ride by Lynch I thought
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2011, 04:34:20 PM
A 'friend' of mine is at the track, and he said someone just put £2k e/w on Silver Gypsy  :o at 28/1!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 15, 2011, 04:37:33 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 14, 2011, 11:51:14 PM
My selections:

E/W Lucky 15

Spirit Son @ 5/1
Captain Chris @ 8/1
Hurricane Fly @ 4/1

Divers @ 8/1

E/W Double:

Sunnyhillboy @ 6/1
Dunguib @ 15/2

Double:

Cue Card
Quevega


Not a mad amount of Queens head put on any of the bets but covers quite a lot and gives a bit of interest...  ;D

We aren't going too bad in the wee Lucky...  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 15, 2011, 04:58:54 PM
I did a modest 3 x £1 E/W doubles and treble and a 3 x £1 straight double and treble;

Carole's Legacy, Quevega, and Hurricane Fly. The former's short head defeat screwed me out of ther perfect day!

Still up a wee bit which will keep me alive.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 15, 2011, 05:00:19 PM
She was awesome, laughed at them.

Brought up a nice "Ruby's Double" for me, wasn't going to have a punt on the last race, but with things going well a few other mates who are also fairing well going for it, I'll have a wee tipple on Tullamore Dew e/w.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: clareman on March 15, 2011, 05:01:31 PM
Who was 2nd and 3rd?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: angermanagement on March 15, 2011, 05:10:38 PM
1 Quevega 5/6 Fav
2 Sparky May 4/1
3 Ocean Transit 50/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 15, 2011, 05:11:09 PM
Some nice wee bets still going there lads good luck with them.

sat down to watch the big race only for the f**king electric to go down in the lurgan area at 3:19, absolute joke happened here a few years back aswel internet the whole works down. Conspiracy i tell ya  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 15, 2011, 05:15:00 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 15, 2011, 05:11:09 PM
Some nice wee bets still going there lads good luck with them.

sat down to watch the big race only for the f**king electric to go down in the lurgan area at 3:19, absolute joke happened here a few years back aswel internet the whole works down. Conspiracy i tell ya  ;)
All the Heroin money from Legahory was on the FLY!! they zapped all the power...  ;)
Title: 5-15
Post by: drici on March 15, 2011, 05:23:52 PM
Tyrone win the last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: angermanagement on March 15, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
1 Divers 10/1
2 Quantitativeeasing 7/1
3 Tullamore Dew 13/2
4 Vino Griego 20/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 15, 2011, 05:29:20 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 15, 2011, 04:37:33 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 14, 2011, 11:51:14 PM
My selections:

E/W Lucky 15

Spirit Son @ 5/1            2nd
Captain Chris @ 8/1        WINNER
Hurricane Fly @ 4/1        WINNER
Divers @ 8/1                 WINNER


E/W Double:

Sunnyhillboy @ 6/1
Dunguib @ 15/2

Double:

Cue Card
Quevega


Not a mad amount of Queens head put on any of the bets but covers quite a lot and gives a bit of interest...  ;D

We aren't going too bad in the wee Lucky...  ;)

DH your a LEG-END!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 15, 2011, 06:00:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 14, 2011, 09:45:03 PM
For whats its worth ive done a £1 ew lucky 15 for the first four races, Recession proof 8/1, Captain Chris 8/1, Caroles Legacy 14/1 and Menorah 4/1. Pays a handsome £9,862 if they all win - but i'll not spend the money just yet.

Actually paid a handsome £8 profit on my £30 bet! Ah well at least it gives me another bet for tomorrow!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2011, 07:38:06 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 15, 2011, 07:59:57 PM
Send me ur address DH...
I'm sending the boys down to kidnap u for future reference!! ;-)
And for 2moro's selections? :-D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2011, 08:08:55 PM
Stick to my original thoughts from a few pages ago.

Otherwise, bank todays winnings and just enjoy the rest of the week!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2011, 08:13:55 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 15, 2011, 07:59:57 PM
Send me ur address DH...
I'm sending the boys down to kidnap u for future reference!! ;-)
And for 2moro's selections? :-D

I thought you were asking so you could send him a big fat cheque  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2011, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 15, 2011, 08:13:55 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 15, 2011, 07:59:57 PM
Send me ur address DH...
I'm sending the boys down to kidnap u for future reference!! ;-)
And for 2moro's selections? :-D

I thought you were asking so you could send him a big fat cheque  ;)

c/o The Queen's Hotel,
     Cheltenham,
     Gloucestershire.

Thanks!

Enjoy the rest of the week lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 15, 2011, 08:50:18 PM
Milkbars are defo on me... If I ever find out who you are!!! ;-)
What about my selection for friday?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 15, 2011, 11:08:55 PM
Fair play to u lads i love to see the bookie getting took out by the roots
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on March 16, 2011, 09:39:18 AM
Had a Quevega and Fly double yesterday myself.  Great to see bookies getting a bit of a hammering after previous disastrous cheltenhams.

Any fancies today lads?  I'm thinking of Call The Police in the 4.00.

Also, I'd like to do a reverse forecast for the Queen Mother Chase at 3.20.  I just can't see Big Zeb or Master Minded being breached.  If the starting prices were 7/2 and 3/1 does anyone know roughly how much would be returned if they came in 1st and 2nd?  I've never placed this type of bet before.

Cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 16, 2011, 10:55:15 AM
Quote from: 118cmal on March 16, 2011, 09:39:18 AM
Had a Quevega and Fly double yesterday myself.  Great to see bookies getting a bit of a hammering after previous disastrous cheltenhams.

Any fancies today lads?  I'm thinking of Call The Police in the 4.00.

Also, I'd like to do a reverse forecast for the Queen Mother Chase at 3.20.  I just can't see Big Zeb or Master Minded being breached.  If the starting prices were 7/2 and 3/1 does anyone know roughly how much would be returned if they came in 1st and 2nd?  I've never placed this type of bet before.

Cheers

In normal run-of-the-mill meetings, you can treat it similiar to a double and that will give a rough estimate. So 17/1 - 18/1. There might however be a lot of people doing this bet because the two of 'em are clear at the head of the market and it's Cheltenham. So maybe 12/1-14/1.

In any case, I think it will take an effort on a par with his 2008 performance for Master Minded to be 1st on this kind of ground. In fact, I don't think he'll be in the first three.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2011, 01:02:31 PM
Right Day 2, DH you better be on your game: ;-)

E/W Lucky 15

Chicago Grey @ 5/1
First Lieutenant @ 13/2
The Giant Bolster @ 18/1
Golden Silver @ 11/1

Double:
Big Zeb @ 3/1
Call the Police @ 9/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 16, 2011, 01:12:47 PM
Chicago Grey 5-1
First Lieutenant 13-2
The Giant Bolster 18-1
Captain Ceebee 9-1
Call The Police 9-2
Celtus 10-1
Divine Rhapsody 9-1

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 16, 2011, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 16, 2011, 01:02:31 PM
Right Day 2, DH you better be on your game: ;-)

E/W Lucky 15

Chicago Grey @ 5/1
First Lieutenant @ 13/2
The Giant Bolster @ 18/1
Golden Silver @ 11/1

Double:
Big Zeb @ 3/1
Call the Police @ 9/2

Good Luck fella, I am FIRMLY in the Oscars Well camp in the 2.05, liking Chicago Grey, Wayward Prince, Aegean Dawn, Plan A...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 16, 2011, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 16, 2011, 01:02:31 PM
Right Day 2, DH you better be on your game: ;-)

E/W Lucky 15

Chicago Grey @ 5/1
First Lieutenant @ 13/2
The Giant Bolster @ 18/1
Golden Silver @ 11/1

Double:
Big Zeb @ 3/1
Call the Police @ 9/2

Good Luck fella, I am FIRMLY in the Oscars Well camp in the 2.05, liking Chicago Grey, Wayward Prince, Aegean Dawn, Plan A...

Alternative Lucky for me:

So Young
Wymot
Plan A
Divine Rhapsody
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pebble-dasher on March 16, 2011, 01:36:47 PM
did a ew lucky 15
2.05 first lieutenant
2.40 giant bolster
3.20 captain cee bee
4.00 tiger o toole

likely gona do call the police and divine rapsody later on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Louth Exile on March 16, 2011, 01:41:48 PM
The quote that I heard last night coming from Elliott's yard was
"This horse could fall down twice and still win"
He wasn't quiet that good, but a very sound winner.
I thought the price was short enough myself!! Small regret now though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 16, 2011, 01:44:05 PM
Lucky 15

Chicago Grey
First Lieutenant
Jesses Dream
Capt Cee Bee
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Up The Middle on March 16, 2011, 01:44:52 PM
Good start to the day had £20 on Chicago Grey  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 16, 2011, 02:00:17 PM
Should paddy not being out 4 places in the last race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pebble-dasher on March 16, 2011, 02:12:48 PM
good win for first lieutenant - DH is immortal!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 02:13:48 PM
Donnelly's Hollow strikes again! Great call. Wish I'd listened.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 16, 2011, 02:14:24 PM
OMG DH is the man!!!!  :o

Was on first lieutenant on his word!!!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 02:15:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 16, 2011, 01:44:05 PM
Lucky 15

Chicago Grey
First Lieutenant

Jesses Dream
Capt Cee Bee

Nice one so far
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 16, 2011, 02:17:15 PM
The disappointment with Sona Sasta has been eased with a fine wedge on First Lieutenant.

PP online account charged up again with the orginal stake yesterday safely put back onto the credit card so I am working on the temporary loan from the bookies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 16, 2011, 02:21:21 PM
Fu*k S@ke - Oscars Well had the winning of that race ALL day long...  >:(  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2011, 02:44:14 PM
I have listened to DH but haven't made a f**king penny mixing other stupid things in with them. killing me too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2011, 02:45:02 PM
This one is a bookies wet dream
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 16, 2011, 02:47:01 PM
Minder lad some crossbar you hit there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 16, 2011, 02:47:40 PM
Feck - Jessie's Dream nearly had it.

But shure a place is a place on an e/w bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 02:47:52 PM
Three out of three today for Ireland.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 16, 2011, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 16, 2011, 02:47:01 PM
Minder lad some crossbar you hit there

f**k don't talk, I was getting sweaty.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2011, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 16, 2011, 02:21:21 PM
f**k S@ke - Oscars Well had the winning of that race ALL day long...  >:(  >:(  >:(

He had it in the bag surely.... Although im sorry to say im soooo GLAD he slipped!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hsthompson on March 16, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what's the difference between hurdles and fences? if Big Bucks is such a good horse why isn't it in the Gold Cup?
Plenty of people on here seem to be making money anyway. hoors
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 03:08:32 PM
The money coming in for Master Minded.  In a couple of points to 3's   Looks like a two horse race but I expect both Woolcombe Folly and golden Silver to play some sort of part!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on March 16, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what's the difference between hurdles and fences? if Big Bucks is such a good horse why isn't it in the Gold Cup?
Plenty of people on here seem to be making money anyway. hoors

Fences much bigger and tougher - hurdles really just a step. Big Bucks didn't take to fencing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 16, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on March 16, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what's the difference between hurdles and fences? if Big Bucks is such a good horse why isn't it in the Gold Cup?
Plenty of people on here seem to be making money anyway. hoors

hurdle: (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2009/2/25/1235520748961/The-field-approach-the-la-001.jpg)

fence: (http://www.stuartcanvas.co.uk/uploads/images/sports/horse/fence.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 03:25:09 PM
Sizing Europe wins it

Big Zeb second
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 03:26:42 PM
What a run by Sizing Europe. Had a saver on him to get my money back.

Four out of four Ireland.

Ireland 7, GB 3.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 16, 2011, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 03:25:09 PM
Sizing Europe wins it

Big Zeb second

Bollix, I had Big Zeb.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
Is it possible to get Donnelly's Hollow the freedom of the board or something.

So far I've had 3 winners, a 2nd, a third and a faller. Doing each way doubles and trebles, I trebled my modest bet yesterday, and quadrupled today.

Thanks DH.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 04:07:44 PM
5 out of 5 for Ireland!!

Carlito Brigante Davey Russell and gordon Elliott!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 16, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
anyone know who came 5th there in that one?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 16, 2011, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 04:07:44 PM
5 out of 5 for Ireland!!

Carlito Brigante Davey Russell and gordon Elliott!

Hector's pick this morning on 2FM   :D  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
Is it possible to get Donnelly's Hollow the freedom of the board or something.

So far I've had 3 winners, a 2nd, a third and a faller. Doing each way doubles and trebles, I trebled my modest bet yesterday, and quadrupled today.

Thanks DH.

Actually. Just checking Betfair.

I had First Liutenant, which came in at 8.66 (First) and Captain CeeBee at 20.75 (Third). So if I had £2 E/W double, would it be 1.25 x 8.66 which is with £2 going to be 21.65 roughly going onto CeeBee which at third is 1/4 of 20.75 which is roughly 10.4. Should give returns of circa 112/113. Or am I reading that correct?

It only seems to have payed 30.1!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 04:19:12 PM
It would work out the following NT  ( I think

Both horses would be considered placed...  So

FL Would be 8/4 = 2 x 2

CCB Would be 15/4= 3.75 x 2

So it would be 4 x 7 plus your 2 back...

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 04:19:12 PM
It would work out the following NT  ( I think

Both horses would be considered placed...  So

FL Would be 8/4 = 2 x 2

CCB Would be 15/4= 3.75

IS it not the old fashioned 1 1/4 odds for the winner on Betfair multiples?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 16, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
Thats the way I would work it out.  Maybe I am wrong though...

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bensars on March 16, 2011, 04:24:12 PM
Betfair decimal odds dont include your own stake. There 8.66 would be 7.66-1.

By my working out     7.66/4  =3.83 + your £2 stake =5.83

5.83 going onto 20.65/4 *5.83  =30.08
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2011, 04:28:37 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
Is it possible to get Donnelly's Hollow the freedom of the board or something.

So far I've had 3 winners, a 2nd, a third and a faller. Doing each way doubles and trebles, I trebled my modest bet yesterday, and quadrupled today.

Thanks DH.

Actually. Just checking Betfair.

I had First Liutenant, which came in at 8.66 (First) and Captain CeeBee at 20.75 (Third). So if I had £2 E/W double, would it be 1.25 x 8.66 which is with £2 going to be 21.65 roughly going onto CeeBee which at third is 1/4 of 20.75 which is roughly 10.4. Should give returns of circa 112/113. Or am I reading that correct?

It only seems to have payed 30.1!!

You lose your win and both are just placed!!! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
So first or third is technically the same thing. Balls to that.  :'(

Ah well. Profit's profit.  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on March 16, 2011, 04:45:49 PM
i never knew that! I had the first 2 winners today and CBB ( placed ) in a 5 horse ew accumulater, are all the winners just classed as placed even if you go EW?? What is the point in going EW on a accumulator?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 16, 2011, 04:46:35 PM
could someone post up the results as they come in please
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 16, 2011, 04:46:47 PM
6 out of 6
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 04:53:50 PM
If any of your horses loses in an e.w. accum you lose the whole win half of the bet. You could have 4 winners and one second in a 5-horse accum and you collect only on the 5 places. (1st = a place in the place half of the bet).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 04:54:37 PM
Not to be greedy, but you'd have to fancy 7 out of 7 now, given our record in the bumper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hsthompson on March 16, 2011, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on March 16, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what's the difference between hurdles and fences? if Big Bucks is such a good horse why isn't it in the Gold Cup?
Plenty of people on here seem to be making money anyway. hoors

Fences much bigger and tougher - hurdles really just a step. Big Bucks didn't take to fencing.

Are the fence jumpers better horses then? Or is it just different skills? Would there be many horses compete regularly at both fences and hurdles?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 05:53:25 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on March 16, 2011, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on March 16, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what's the difference between hurdles and fences? if Big Bucks is such a good horse why isn't it in the Gold Cup?
Plenty of people on here seem to be making money anyway. hoors

Fences much bigger and tougher - hurdles really just a step. Big Bucks didn't take to fencing.

Are the fence jumpers better horses then? Or is it just different skills? Would there be many horses compete regularly at both fences and hurdles?

Just different types, when mature. Young horses typically start out as hurdlers. Most would progress to chasing (fence jumping) as they mature, grow and get stronger. Some, though, stay on as hurdlers, either because they're reckoned not to be the type that would prosper as chasers (generally slighter types) or because they're such good hurdlers (e.g. Istabraq, Hardy Eustace, etc.) that they specialise in hurdling.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 16, 2011, 06:25:25 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
Is it possible to get Donnelly's Hollow the freedom of the board or something.

So far I've had 3 winners, a 2nd, a third and a faller. Doing each way doubles and trebles, I trebled my modest bet yesterday, and quadrupled today.

Thanks DH.

Actually. Just checking Betfair.

I had First Liutenant, which came in at 8.66 (First) and Captain CeeBee at 20.75 (Third). So if I had £2 E/W double, would it be 1.25 x 8.66 which is with £2 going to be 21.65 roughly going onto CeeBee which at third is 1/4 of 20.75 which is roughly 10.4. Should give returns of circa 112/113. Or am I reading that correct?

It only seems to have payed 30.1!!

No such thing as each way betting on Betfair or am I missing something is this post?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 16, 2011, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 16, 2011, 04:54:37 PM
Not to be greedy, but you'd have to fancy 7 out of 7 now, given our record in the bumper.

Thankfully not  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on March 16, 2011, 07:13:51 PM
Had a very good day....4 winners and shortest price 5/1 ;D ;D 8)

Hope all clean the bookies the rest of the meeting.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on March 16, 2011, 06:25:25 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
Is it possible to get Donnelly's Hollow the freedom of the board or something.

So far I've had 3 winners, a 2nd, a third and a faller. Doing each way doubles and trebles, I trebled my modest bet yesterday, and quadrupled today.

Thanks DH.

Actually. Just checking Betfair.

I had First Liutenant, which came in at 8.66 (First) and Captain CeeBee at 20.75 (Third). So if I had £2 E/W double, would it be 1.25 x 8.66 which is with £2 going to be 21.65 roughly going onto CeeBee which at third is 1/4 of 20.75 which is roughly 10.4. Should give returns of circa 112/113. Or am I reading that correct?

It only seems to have payed 30.1!!

No such thing as each way betting on Betfair or am I missing something is this post?

You can beat E/W but it looks like you don't get the credit for winning the race. I am ignorant to all this but that makes it look like the high street bookie is better value in this instance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 16, 2011, 07:34:03 PM
There are two distinct markets on betfair - to win and to place.

Putting £5 on each market would be the equivalent of a £5 e/w bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on March 17, 2011, 08:57:26 AM
My selections for today:

1.30 Noble Prince
2.05 Chartreux
2.40 Gauvain
4.00 Quartz De Thaix

Lucky 15

Best of luck to all punters today....up the Irish 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 17, 2011, 09:23:52 AM
My each way 'Lucky' 15 today...

130 Loosen My Load
240 Somersby
320 Mourad
440 Can't Buy Time
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 17, 2011, 09:27:20 AM
Gonna throw a few pound at Gordon Elliott's Beautiful Sound today too, his record in the festival so far makes for very impressive reading;

  16Mar11  Chl 17Gd C14yHcHG3 34K  4/23 6½L, Plan A 11-8 4/1F  P Carberry  131 9
  16Mar11  Chl 21Gd C1HcHG3 39K  1/22 6L, Carlito Brigante 11-0 t 16/1  D N Russell  150 8
  16Mar11  Chl 25Gd C1ChG1 74K  2/12 ¼L, Jessies Dream 11-4 10/1  Timmy Murphy  154 -2
  16Mar11  Chl 32Gd C2NvCh 45K  1/16 4½L, Chicago Grey 11-6 t 5/1F  Mr Derek O'Connor  152 -3
  15Mar11  Chl 21Gd C1NvHcChL 28K  6/20 8¼L, Tharawaat 11-9 tb 14/1  D N Russell  140 0
 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 17, 2011, 11:07:08 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 17, 2011, 09:27:20 AM
Gonna throw a few pound at Gordon Elliott's Beautiful Sound today too, his record in the festival so far makes for very impressive reading;

  16Mar11  Chl 17Gd C14yHcHG3 34K  4/23 6½L, Plan A 11-8 4/1F  P Carberry  131 9
  16Mar11  Chl 21Gd C1HcHG3 39K  1/22 6L, Carlito Brigante 11-0 t 16/1  D N Russell  150 8
  16Mar11  Chl 25Gd C1ChG1 74K  2/12 ¼L, Jessies Dream 11-4 10/1  Timmy Murphy  154 -2
  16Mar11  Chl 32Gd C2NvCh 45K  1/16 4½L, Chicago Grey 11-6 t 5/1F  Mr Derek O'Connor  152 -3
  15Mar11  Chl 21Gd C1NvHcChL 28K  6/20 8¼L, Tharawaat 11-9 tb 14/1  D N Russell  140 0


On it myself-he fancies it to go close!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 17, 2011, 11:35:10 AM
Have noticed alot of horses winning this week and the names of them relate to me in some funny ways...so for the novelty im going to back todays horsing writing a story :)

1.30 wishful thinking (its how must dreams start)
2.05 Lush LIfe ( It would be a dream)
2.40 Hey Big Spender ( this would be me if dreams came thru)
3.20 any given day ( it could happen right?? )
4.00 call me a legend ( u will be if this bet comes up :) )
4.40 cant buy time ( u could try thought if i had alot of $$$)
5.15 devil to pay ( if i win this bet i would happily visit him to pay my tax:)

enjoy the day everyone....off from work so alot of sport to be digested by 5.00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: wherefromref on March 17, 2011, 12:24:59 PM
Not many today that i would flutter on but will chance my arm at these

1.30 Loosen My Load
2.05 Barafundle
2.40 Poquelin
3.20 Bucks
4.00 Agile Dor
4.40 Alderley Rover ew
5.15 Super Collider
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 17, 2011, 01:18:34 PM
Robinson Collonges
Lush Life
Albertas Run
Big Bucks
Beautiful Sound
Junior
Super Collider
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 17, 2011, 01:49:13 PM
Backed Loosen my Load in the first e/w


My Lucky:


Sivota @ 7/1
Rubi Light @ 20/1
Fiveforthree@ 11/1
Beautiful Sound at 13/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 17, 2011, 01:59:08 PM
Ew Lucky 15

Loosen My Load
Sivota
Poquelin
Fiveforthree
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on March 17, 2011, 02:27:23 PM
Obviously I am in no position to tell Ruby Walsh what to do but to the untrained eye it looked like he had Sivota at the back of the field too long and wasn't keeping in close enough order with Buena Vista.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 17, 2011, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 17, 2011, 02:27:23 PM
Obviously I am in no position to tell Ruby Walsh what to do but to the untrained eye it looked like he had Sivota at the back of the field too long and wasn't keeping in close enough order with Buena Vista.

I agree minder. Think he left it too late and too much to do. Then again I also had money on sivota so of course I'm gonna think he made a balls of it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Erne Gael on March 17, 2011, 08:37:56 PM
could someone please tell me how this lucky 15 works again.
I picked four horses today and had intended to do £1 each way but by mistake I done £1 to win.

The four I chose were
Beautiful Sound @13/2
Fiveforthree @ 11/1
Rubi Light @ 20/1
Mr Cracker @14/1

Beautiful Sound and Rubi Light were both placed 3rd. Had I had any money on them each way would I have won anything??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on March 17, 2011, 08:46:33 PM
paddy power calculator wud hav returned : 24.38
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 17, 2011, 08:49:01 PM
What did people think of the ride Davy Russell gave to Beautiful Sound?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 17, 2011, 09:06:32 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 17, 2011, 08:49:01 PM
What did people think of the ride Davy Russell gave to Beautiful Sound?

Left the horse with far too much to do in the last 2 furlongs IMO
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on March 17, 2011, 09:17:24 PM
davy gave it no ride as he wasnt on it  ;D wasnt that bad horse didnt really want 2 do that much from the start
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2011, 08:05:11 AM
So the big race today, who are people backing? I cant choose between the big hitters, so im going for Kempes each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 18, 2011, 08:43:05 AM
Alright lads?

Head is thumping so won't stay on long. Very little rain around here last night or this morning so not good news for Unaccompanied and Pandorama.

Btw, Russell didn't ride Beautiful Sound. Jason Maguire was on the horse.

Hope ye all got the price on Sir Des Champs last weekend!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 18, 2011, 08:55:16 AM
What will it be like in the parade ring before the race with 2 former and the current champ lining up to do battle

Keep looking at MIDNIGHT CHASE today ???

14/1 looks a fantastic e/w bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2011, 11:20:53 AM
I couldn't agree more, Sammy. I have a holiday coming if he wins - even a small one if he's placed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2011, 11:28:04 AM
Great days racing yesterday, feed of stout and backed a few winners, Big Bucks and Holmewood Legend!!
Back at work depressed but will have another dip today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 18, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Grandouet
Spring Jim
Moonlight Drive
Kauto Star
Just Amazing
Sir Des Champs
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2011, 03:05:53 PM
Money for Long Run in the big one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 18, 2011, 03:07:12 PM
Come on KEMPES!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 18, 2011, 03:12:52 PM
Denman's some price at 9/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2011, 03:29:37 PM
Hope you followed the money lads  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 18, 2011, 03:30:22 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2011, 03:05:53 PM
Money for Long Run in the big one.

Indeed  - horse travelled well and kockey timed it to perfection.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2011, 03:34:49 PM
Wouldn't have backed that in a million years. Some horse to win against the ground, his age and an amateur on his back.

Hard on Barry Geraghty to be deprived of a Gold Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 18, 2011, 03:39:42 PM
QuoteHard on Barry Geraghty to be deprived of a Gold Cup.

How come he wasn't on board anyway?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2011, 03:40:14 PM
Jockey's father owns it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 18, 2011, 03:56:02 PM
If Gold Cup 2010 was one to forget - 2011 Gold Cup will be one to remember forever! - QUALITY RACE!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on March 18, 2011, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 18, 2011, 03:56:02 PM
If Gold Cup 2010 was one to forget - 2011 Gold Cup will be one to remember forever! - QUALITY RACE!!!!!!

Have to agree. That was a great finish
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 18, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
just when i thought i was gonna get all my cash back from Baby Run the stupid jockey/horse falls...bastid
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 18, 2011, 04:19:39 PM
Anyone got a link to a site that shows the last 2 races?

who wants to watch deal or no deal  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 18, 2011, 04:31:03 PM
You can watch on Betfair if you have an account and a bet. Otherwise http://www.show-sports.net/Channel%203.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 18, 2011, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2011, 04:31:03 PM
You can watch on Betfair if you have an account and a bet. Otherwise http://www.show-sports.net/Channel%203.html

good man, im on DH's pick in this  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2011, 04:47:14 PM
What is left to say...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 18, 2011, 04:50:09 PM
Got it all back on Sir Des Champs...correct.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2011, 04:50:36 PM
Best Cheltenham ever!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 18, 2011, 05:14:17 PM
Sir DH !! leg end
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 18, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
Lovely double on long run and sir des champs!!!! a great finish to the festivall!!!  ;D ;D

DH is some operator!!! he should replace that mccriricck C*ck!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on March 18, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 18, 2011, 03:34:49 PM
Wouldn't have backed that in a million years. Some horse to win against the ground, his age and an amateur on his back.

Hard on Barry Geraghty to be deprived of a Gold Cup.

not hard on geraghty at all long run was bough for his son to ride and thath the way it worked out and fair play to him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Abble on March 18, 2011, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 18, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
just when i thought i was gonna get all my cash back from Baby Run the stupid jockey/horse falls...bastid

catch yerself on !!

he should've won no doubt, but you're just being a bit ott in your language there...poor jockey crying his eyes out on th return back, and it didn't seemto be any fault of his, just one of these things
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 19, 2011, 12:46:06 AM
Great to see the two old stagers plugging up the hill in the big one today. He'd probably be handicapped out of it but even at 12 surely Denman could run a big race in the 2012 Grand National? Will Kauto's last race be in Lisburn in November?

What a magnificent week. I'd a good week personally (with much help from resident expert Donnelly's Hollow) but even apart from the money it was a thoroughly enjoyable festival of racing. Are we likely to see any re-matches at Aintree or Punchestown? Would love to see a fit-again Binocular sent over to take on Hurricane Fly.

Only 363 days to go!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Over The Last on March 19, 2011, 12:38:06 PM
Hats off to Donnelly's Hollow!  ;D
Hope everyone faired out rightly over the week. Great festival and finished rightly.

6/1 quote for long run in the aftermath of yesterday's victory for the 2012 renewal could be snapped up. Especially if some of the big hitters bow out by then like Kauto and Denman. Two absolute superstar's, may bow out at the top and owe no one anything.

what was everyone's favourite winner of the week?
Personally i loved the class that oozed out of hurricane fly and quevega.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Over The Last on March 19, 2011, 12:45:54 PM
Denman is set to race on following his magnificent performance in defeat in the totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup.

The Paul Nicholls-trained 11-year-old finished a gallant second to young star Long Run, beaten seven lengths.

That achievement was all the more laudable as the ground at Cheltenham was quicker than ideal for the Paul Barber-owned chestnut, who won the Gold Cup in 2008.

Yet despite his advancing years, connections will keep Denman in training for at least another season.

Barber said: "It was wonderful to be part of it, and an honour to see Denman run so well.

"I went down to see him at 6am this morning to give him his Polo mints.

"I couldn't see him on Friday night as I'm afraid we had celebrated a little too much.

"The race was over nine seconds faster than standard so it tells you how quick the ground was, and also how well Denman did.

"He's looking very well, but I'm not going to think about plans for at least a few days.

"The one thing I can say is that he won't be retired.

"All being well, we'll keep him going for another year."

Kauto Decision
Plans are less concrete, however, for two-time Gold Cup winner Kauto Star. The 11-year-old gelding, also trained by Nicholls, atoned for last year's fall in the race when finishing an honourable third under Ruby Walsh.

"It was a fantastic performance and I'm a very proud man," said owner Clive Smith.

"I thought he might even get there coming into the straight, but we came across a very talented horse with younger legs and it was probably too much for him.

"Long Run was the Kauto Star of four years ago, I believe, so very well done to him and his team.

"Paul has texted me to say everything is fine with the horse, so we'll now have to see where we go with him now.

"We said at the Festival we wouldn't make any hasty decisions, so we must sit down and have a discussion as to what we do next."

.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 19, 2011, 01:12:04 PM
(http://thumbs.imagekind.com/museum/350X350/PMP/JPGS/03114.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 19, 2011, 02:06:58 PM
correct
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on March 20, 2011, 12:19:04 AM
flats back tomorrow, fro what i remember from this time last year, dont back anything aidan o'brien trains until around the guineas meetings and look out for tommy stack
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 20, 2011, 05:44:18 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on March 20, 2011, 12:19:04 AM
flats back tomorrow, fro what i remember from this time last year, dont back anything aidan o'brien trains until around the guineas meetings and look out for tommy stack

18/1 double for Stack today with his only two runners.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 20, 2011, 07:36:18 PM
Very satisfactory week! What I learned:

- Hurricane Fly is every bit as good as we always thought he was. Great to see him silence the doubters across the water. Can't wait to see him stuff Binocular at Punchestown.

- Quevega is about two stone superior to any other mare in training.

- First Lieutenant is going to make a hell of a chaser. Oscars Well needs to learn how to settle.

- Quel Esprit could be a Gold Cup horse for next year if he gets his jumping sorted. Mikael D'Haguenet, to my eyes anyway, looks gone at the game.

- Master Minded is/was ridiculously overrated. Similar sentiments apply to Time For Rupert. Andrew Lynch is a very underrated jockey.

- Willie Mullins is a genius. Gordon Elliot is the best young trainer in these islands. Arthur Moore can still pull a rabbit out of a hat.

- The Irish bumper horses that went to Cheltenham are rubbish.

- Big Bucks is a machine. Grands Crus showed that you should ride your race to suit your own horse and not to try and expose weaknesses in another animal. He wouldn't have beaten Big Bucks either way.

- Kauto Star and Denman are still capable of a high level of form. Pandorama definitely needs soft ground. Long Run has a massive engine - 3/1 for next year is laughable though.

- Sir Des Champs was the best handicapped horse in Ireland.

- The Guinness Village at Cheltenham is the best place on earth to celebrate St Patrick's Day.

Only 51 weeks to go.....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 20, 2011, 09:37:57 PM
 would just like to say a big thank you to DH! One of my best festivals ever in no small part to ur excellent in depth thoughts and analysis. Your info is honestly top class and I like many others enjoy Reading ur thoughts on this. Keep up the good work
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on March 20, 2011, 09:57:40 PM
Agree 100% with mickey, great stuff DH.

Goes to show that there is an art(kind of) to the whole gambling malarkey. My festival has been a lot more enjoyable and profitable thanks to you. Even had i not placed a bet i still would have been impressed with your workings.

Long may it continue, the very best of luck to you.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: wherefromref on March 21, 2011, 12:24:41 AM
DH is the bookies worst nightmare! Keep them thoughs coming for us poor punters to try and earn a few quid...had a great cheltenham with quite a few of your tips DH, although not a big gambler I would definately throw good money on your tips after Cheltenham successes! roll on next march
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 21, 2011, 10:07:40 AM
Great stuff, DH. Anybody would pay a lot of good money for four days of entertainment at Cheltenham. To make money at it as well is beautiful.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 21, 2011, 10:17:02 AM
Had an absolute stinking cheltenham again. Reason; I didn't follow you DH I even printed your knowledgable words out to take with me to letterkenny for the Paddy's day pints. still got hammered in more ways than one. Think i will quit now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2011, 11:46:29 AM
Jaysus lads, any old clown can read a form book. It can easily go the other way entirely like it did for most people last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 21, 2011, 11:50:48 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2011, 11:46:29 AM
Jaysus lads, any old clown can read a form book. It can easily go the other way entirely like it did for most people last year.
Aye true enough DH, ye cost me a fortune on Dunguib lastyear ye fecker!! Your a lucky fecker you redeemed yourself this past week...  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2011, 12:01:12 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 21, 2011, 11:50:48 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2011, 11:46:29 AM
Jaysus lads, any old clown can read a form book. It can easily go the other way entirely like it did for most people last year.
Aye true enough DH, ye cost me a fortune on Dunguib lastyear ye fecker!! Your a lucky fecker you redeemed yourself this past week...  :D

I think we can safely lay any Champion Bumper winner that goes for the following year's Supreme Novices from now on until someone emulates Montelado. They're simply not quick enough no matter how 'machine like' they look against moderate opposition over timber. It would have been interesting to see how Cue Card would have got on in the 2m5 race (his dam ran in the English National ffs!).

What price will Cheltenian go off next year?!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 21, 2011, 03:33:35 PM
Excellent as always DH.

Had my worst betting festival of last seven and looking back not sure how I let it  happen.  Nightmare Tuesday mainly because I didnt lay off IR on betfair. Pity that you cant set off AP bets I/R. Had Spirit Son, Sprinter Sacre , Peddlers Cross all backed at average 25s ( win only) along with Finians at average of 5s ...looking at the IR prices on timeform is a painful thing. Laid the fly  :-[ .  Smaller stakes on Bensalem win and , Tullamore Dew and Sparky May ew brought a bit of relief but it was just one of those days. 

Claimed a bit back on the Russell Double Weds ( but lost out on him as top festival jockey) and backed Big Z each way so no major damage done. Thursday I was just stupid in opposing Big Bucks. Had a bit on Junior and Faasel ( place only) but not a sniff elsewhere. Limited the overall damage on Friday with 3 winners in a Lucky 31 and good single bets on Bobs Worth and Long Run. Sam Winner living up to his name ( Ruby says he will be one to put it up to Long Run in future) would have made for a entirely different conclusion. 

Note to self ...

Keep a bank for day of race IR lays or forget Ante Post betting altogether.
Dont ignore the obvious  - Ruby top jock/Quevega/ Big Bucks maybe even Sizing ( stats pick)
Bet ew.
Paddy Power knows.
Just copy DH  ;)



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on March 21, 2011, 03:33:35 PM
Note to self ...

Keep a bank for day of race IR lays or forget Ante Post betting altogether.
Dont ignore the obvious  - Ruby top jock/Quevega/ Big Bucks maybe even Sizing ( stats pick)
Bet ew.
Paddy Power knows.
Just copy DH  ;)

That's the key IMO - to all betting, not just Cheltenham. Everything down to at least 3/1 should be backed each way. It does require a larger outlay, but it should minimise any losses you incur.

Ante-post betting can be very hit and miss. I have had some decent results ante-post, but I've had some catastrophic ones as well. I find I'm backing less and less before Christmas now than I used to. I'm sure there were plenty of people who backed Zaidpour before Christmas at skinny prices when he did look like a bit of an aeroplane. I had a superb result with First Lieutenant but that could easily have gone the other way after his Fairyhouse reversal. Plenty of people would have backed Cue Card and Big Bucks prior to the New Year at shorter prices than they were available at on the day. It's probably wise to limit ante-post bets before Christmas and wait until late January/early February to get on large. Running plans and the worth of the form is clearer by then, and there's still plenty of value left in the markets.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 22, 2011, 04:12:03 PM
Some cracking photos of last week's action up on the RP site:

Sizing Europe
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/24/9e/c2/c58143f7b5823130abed494c6a.jpg)

Ryanair nutter
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/20/bd/22/4bff638879afdb4dc65341da2c.jpg)

Russell
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/05/76/f9/83a289af2fa95144f0568d0767.jpg)

O'Connor
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/08/78/f3/8da888a120a35648f955800f63.jpg)

Walsh
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/0b/7e/f2/84ae85af29a15043f550840368.jpg)

Oscars Well slip
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/ab/d0/67/bf3b70b7c76dab1662387c3960.jpg)

First Lieutenant
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/62/e1/6d/8a4137548eca5634e557614f30.jpg)

Hurricane Fly
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/bb/ba/ec/02997bd234c17ae90edae2ef2e.jpg)

Quevega and the Clane crowd
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/e6/a7/9b/107f5c60d161a122e8ffadf1db.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 22, 2011, 04:15:29 PM
Did you see what the Ryanair nut was up to DH? They were careful not to give him any exposure on the TV.

Great pics.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 22, 2011, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 22, 2011, 04:15:29 PM
Did you see what the Ryanair nut was up to DH? They were careful not to give him any exposure on the TV.

Great pics.

Haven't a notion Hardy. Walsh went back down the hill and gave him a right earful anyway.

Sizing Europe paraded at the Curragh on Sunday
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/e2/a3/96/1b7f5067d763af24e3f8abf2d3.jpg)

Hurricane Fly at the Curragh
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/a5/af/3b/de286f7d898df8cac6f70f6977.jpg)

O'Brien checking out the new Istabraq!
(http://photos.racingpost.com/cache/rp/26/6d/23/b14de83b5d5de8500aed2dbffc.jpg)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: hsthompson on March 23, 2011, 11:33:53 AM
How many Irish winners were there in total at Cheltenham then? I take it we broke our previous record?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on March 23, 2011, 11:53:12 AM

Thirteen in all which was great for the sport in this country.

Actually going into the final race it was 13 winners a piece for the irish and british trainers.

The only irish horse in that race finished second at 33/1!!

The previous record was ten.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 23, 2011, 12:31:30 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on March 23, 2011, 11:33:53 AM
How many Irish winners were there in total at Cheltenham then? I take it we broke our previous record?

13 winners. Our previous best was 10 in 2006. There are more races nowadays though. Hurricane Fly, Sizing Australia, Quevega, Chicago Grey, First Lieutenant, Bostons Angel, Sizing Europe, Carlito Brigante, What A Charm, Noble Prince, Final Approach, Zemsky, and Sir Des Champs were the 13 winners.

Of the English trained winners - Al Ferof used to be trained by Liz Doyle in Wexford winning a p2p and a bumper here. She also used to train Cheltenian who came second in a Punchestown bumper in October. Bensalem was also previously trained in Ireland and won a p2p at Dromahane in December 2007.

There were 15 Irish bred winners - Captain Chris, Bensalem, Hurricane Fly, Sizing Autralia, Chicago Grey, First Lieutenant, Bostons Angel, Sizing Europe, Carlito Brigante, What A Charm, Buena Vista, Albertas Run, Zarkander, Bobs Worth, and Zemsky.

Surprisingly only 4 winners had graduated from the p2p field which is slightly disappointing - Al Ferof, Bensalem, First Lieutenant, and Zemsky.

Irish jockeys won 20 races at the meeting - Ruby Walsh (4), Andrew Lynch (2), Derek O'Connor (2), Davy Russell (2), Tony McCoy (2), Graham Lee, Robbie Power, Paul Townend, Conor O'Farrell, Jamie Codd, Daryl Jacob, Barry Geraghty, and Emmet Mullins. I don't know if the lad that rode Holmwood Legend is Irish or not but with a name like Kieran Burke, he could be. Divers and Albertas Run would be classed as English trained winners but both are trained by Irishmen (Ferdy Murphy and Jonjo O'Neill).

I think these stats paper over the cracks in the industry at the moment. You have to remember that a lot of these horses would have been bred/sold in the middle of the last decade before the economy really went belly up. We'll never go back to the days of Galmoy when we were wiped out at Cheltenham but there could be lean times in the years to come. I heard Noel Meade interviewed a few weeks ago and he's had to halve the size of his yard and he only ran two horses at Cheltenham (Realt Dubh and Pandorama). That's frightening considering Noel would have been the champion trainer only a few years ago. The syndicates are more or less all gone and we'll be relying on the big owners like Gigginstown and JP and the bigger trainers like Mullins and Elliot to train Irish winners at Cheltenham. We got a preview of the future last week with Gigginstown having three winners. The English handicapper is sure to exact his retribution next year too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: wherefromref on March 23, 2011, 12:48:20 PM
DH your an endless fountain of equine knowledge!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 23, 2011, 12:53:58 PM
Interesting stuff, DH. (According to Ted Walsh, Kieran Burke is Irish).

When you take into account the relative numbers of Irish and British runners, we outperformed them by about 3.5 to one as regards winners.

Irish win rate: 13% (13 winners from 100 runners).
British win rate: 3.7% (14 from 375).

Irish place rate: 19% (19 from 100).
British place rate: 19.5% (73 from 375).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: highorlow on March 23, 2011, 01:36:03 PM
DH, Is that gold cup horse, Long Run a French Horse? and if so do you have any stats on the amount of horses outside Ireland and the UK that have won at Chelt?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 24, 2011, 02:57:02 PM
Few quid been put on Optic Measure @ Thurles 5.35...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 24, 2011, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 23, 2011, 01:36:03 PM
DH, Is that gold cup horse, Long Run a French Horse? and if so do you have any stats on the amount of horses outside Ireland and the UK that have won at Chelt?

Long Run is a French bred horse and was trained in France as a 3yo and 4yo. He moved to Nicky Henderson's yard in the winter of 2009.

Most horses that win at Cheltenham would be either Irish or French bred. Very few British bred horses have won at the festival in recent years. In terms of winners trained outside the UK and Ireland - France would have had a few down the years mainly with Francois Doumen who trained The Fellow and Baracouda. There have been a few German trained runners (Fiepes Shuffle ran a few times at Cheltenham) and a few Czech trained horses have ran in the Cross Country but I don't think they've made much of an impression.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 24, 2011, 06:05:18 PM
http://www.racingpost.com/news/bloodstock/bloodstock-live-long-run-seals-major-cadoudal-double/831117/

Festival standings:

No. of Irish-bred winners: 15

No. of French-bred winners: 8

No. of British-bred winners: 3

No. of German-bred winners: 1



Top five jumps sires and their Cheltenham runners today:

King's Theatre (£1,346,251); No Secrets (Albert Bartlett), Theatre Diva (Foxhunters)

Oscar (£1,195,616); Teaforthree, Moonlight Drive (Albert Bartlett), Oscar Delta (Foxhunters), Askthemaster (Grand Annual)

Presenting (£1,100,723); Cockney Trucker (County Hurde), Denman, China Rock (Gold Cup), Joacci , Just Amazing, Zenski (Foxhunters)

Beneficial (£994,790); Mister Hyde (Martin Pipe), Tanks For That, Fiendish Flame (Grand Annual)

Flemensfirth (£902,383); Imperial Commander, Pandorama, Tidal Bay (Gold Cup)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on March 24, 2011, 06:29:38 PM
Quote from: Candyman on March 24, 2011, 02:57:02 PM
Few quid been put on Optic Measure @ Thurles 5.35...

5:35 - Thurles
Win €5.30
Place €1.80; €11.00; €2.20;
Exacta €605.90

15 Articular 13/2
3 Famous Last Words 33/1
2 Anonis 9/2 Jt F
17 Ran

Non Runners:
Badger Daly, Is Himself About, De' Oro, Our Pollyanna

You must have been at the optics yourself ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 26, 2011, 10:41:33 AM
Any thoughts on today's Meydan card - world's richest race meeting featuring the world's richest race!? Or is this an an entirely jumps thread? It's live on TG4 from 1.00 to 6.00!

The Japanese runners, Buena Vista and Victoire Pisa have outstanding chances in the World Cup but have several stats to overcome. Twice Over is a worthy favourite but ran poorly in this race last year - although showed no sign of doing the same when hacking up in the latest round of the Maktoum Challenge - normally an excellent trial. And, a famous moment for Irish racing when Aidan O'Brien saddles Cape Blanco - their first ever in this race. It's a very good race this year, probably not good enough to do justice to it's title, but in previous years, there's been some shocking ones. Anyway I'll go with Victoire Pisa for the win.

The Sheema Classic is as weak a renewal I've ever seen - think Rewilding has a brilliant chance but if looking for an outsider, which I often like to do in these type of races where the standard is well below of what's normally required - look no further than the Hong Kong raider - King Dancer.

The addition of a new turf sprint race has done no good for either itself or it's Tapeta counterpart - the Golden Shaheen. I much preferred when the Al Quoz Sprint was run on Super Thursday but will go for the two favourites in both, JJ the Jet Plane and Rocket Man (outstanding international sprinter and deserves a big one).

Looking forward to the Duty Free most - where I've backed another Singaporean - Better Than Ever. Beaten once in fifteen stars, which came on very ground, and broke the mile track record and the well-renowned Kranji track on his last start. Another who has a chance is Royal Bench who flew home off a slow pace in the Hong Kong Mile in December and with more pace on here, has a chance.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 26, 2011, 11:24:09 AM
Apart from the prize-money, the Dubai card isn't the most inspiring. I don't think trainers over here pay much attention to it given the time of year that it falls. The Aussies and Yanks aren't too pushed on it either and it usually turns into a bit of a Mike De Kock and Godolphin benefit night.

Just glancing through the card and Sole Power stands out to me at a big price. A lot of people will look at his SP for the Nunthorpe and just assume it was a fluke but it is a big achievement for a 3yo to win one of those big Group 1 sprints. I'd hope he runs well for Eddie Lynam and Wayne Lordan because there's been a dearth of good Irish trained sprinters in recent years. Golden Sword would be my selection in the World Cup if I was pushed. He looks a different horse now that they hold him up for a late run - makes a welcome change from the days when his only function seemed to be to provide an end to end gallop for Sea The Stars.

I'd have more interest in the Leopardstown card tomorrow as a pointer to the flat season. The opening maiden and the 1000 Guineas trial should both throw up a good filly for the season ahead. The 2000 trial is only a small field and it is disappointing that Roderic O'Connor doesn't run but there are still three very interesting colts in the form of Dunboyne Express, Exodus and Cocozza. I was impressed with the latter when he won his maiden down at Mallow last Autumn.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 26, 2011, 12:31:35 PM
I agree DH - the time of year isn't great for the Europeans who's flat season is only getting going by June, with the exception of the Classic generation. Same for the horses Stateside, all roads lead to Kentucky right now, but anything that runs well in the BC Classic tends to target the World Cup. The Aussies like their sprinting round now and while their Group Ones might struggle to match the prize-money of the Golden Shaheen and the Al Quoz Sprint, a Lightning Stakes or Newmarket Handicap rate higher on a horse's CV.

Hence, your just left with the UAE itself and the Japanese, with the odd Hong Kong runner. And De Kock and Brown represent South Africa. Which probably isn't the vision that the Sheikh had for this night, when he initiated it back in 1996.

Roderic O'Connor looks like being one APOB's star 3yos this season but just how good his 2yos were last year remains open to debate. After that, I'd know little about the runners in the Trials - I tend to just let a pecking order establish itself between now and Newmarket, and then watch re-runs of the horses who have won the trials. Find it hard to immerse myself in the form so early in the season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 26, 2011, 11:33:03 PM
The very definition of an old stager racing at Downpatrick tomorrow. 2006 Champion Chaser takes on 6 rivals in a 2 1/2 mile hurdle at the grand old age of 13!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 27, 2011, 12:55:11 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on March 26, 2011, 10:41:33 AM
Any thoughts on today's Meydan card - world's richest race meeting featuring the world's richest race!? Or is this an an entirely jumps thread? It's live on TG4 from 1.00 to 6.00!

The Japanese runners, Buena Vista and Victoire Pisa have outstanding chances in the World Cup but have several stats to overcome. Twice Over is a worthy favourite but ran poorly in this race last year - although showed no sign of doing the same when hacking up in the latest round of the Maktoum Challenge - normally an excellent trial. And, a famous moment for Irish racing when Aidan O'Brien saddles Cape Blanco - their first ever in this race. It's a very good race this year, probably not good enough to do justice to it's title, but in previous years, there's been some shocking ones. Anyway I'll go with Victoire Pisa for the win.

The Sheema Classic is as weak a renewal I've ever seen - think Rewilding has a brilliant chance but if looking for an outsider, which I often like to do in these type of races where the standard is well below of what's normally required - look no further than the Hong Kong raider - King Dancer.

The addition of a new turf sprint race has done no good for either itself or it's Tapeta counterpart - the Golden Shaheen. I much preferred when the Al Quoz Sprint was run on Super Thursday but will go for the two favourites in both, JJ the Jet Plane and Rocket Man (outstanding international sprinter and deserves a big one).

Looking forward to the Duty Free most - where I've backed another Singaporean - Better Than Ever. Beaten once in fifteen stars, which came on very ground, and broke the mile track record and the well-renowned Kranji track on his last start. Another who has a chance is Royal Bench who flew home off a slow pace in the Hong Kong Mile in December and with more pace on here, has a chance.

I knew that Sea the Stars has a great knowledge of the Racing scene but I think we may have found our Flat racing equivalent of the one and only Donnellys Hollow. Great stuff Sir, keep it up.
Thought Cape Blanco ran a great race and his lack of race fitness was probably his undoing in the finish.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 27, 2011, 05:19:41 PM
Walsh confirmed to ride The Midnight Club at Liverpool

;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 28, 2011, 11:53:48 AM
Anyone know where a man could find odds for top amateur jockeys?Been told to have a few pound on Shane Foley if he's a decent price!Heard Martin Harley's joined Mick Channons yard across the sea,might be worth keeping an eye out for!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 28, 2011, 12:04:05 PM
No firms are betting on the apprentice title yet it seems:

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/racing-specials/season-specials (http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/racing-specials/season-specials)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on March 28, 2011, 12:09:02 PM
Email support@paddypower.com

They will give you a price...normally anyways.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 28, 2011, 12:21:53 PM
Cheers Muzz that's the link i was looking for!Can't get the hang of the new Paddypower layout at all!  On a side note anyone else notice John Oxx had a lot of horses running yesterday(3 in 1 race) and Berry wasn't on any,has there been a falling out over the Aga Khan giving Murtagh 1st preference on all their horses seeing as they'd provide a lot of the ammunition for Oxx or am i reading too much into it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on March 28, 2011, 12:35:06 PM
For those that fancy free access to some races in April...

http://www.lovetheraces.com/free-racing-month/#7th (http://www.lovetheraces.com/free-racing-month/#7th)

Title: Inniu
Post by: drici on March 28, 2011, 02:23:25 PM
See the Irish News have a big headline Wiqaaya shaping up for a win on the first of the horse racing pages.
They have this horse as their 'nap' for the day.
Runs in the 2-50 at Wolverhampton and is the 1st leg of the paper's 'yankee.'
Title: Re: Inniu
Post by: boojangles on March 28, 2011, 02:26:49 PM
Quote from: drici on March 28, 2011, 02:23:25 PM
See the Irish News have a big headline Wiqaaya shaping up for a win on the first of the horse racing pages.
They have this horse as their 'nap' for the day.
Runs in the 2-50 at Wolverhampton and is the 1st leg of the paper's 'yankee.'

Did ya see what price it is??? To say its not a working mans price would be a big understatement!!
Title: 2-50
Post by: drici on March 28, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: boojangles on March 28, 2011, 02:26:49 PM

Did ya see what price it is???



There are no non runners in the race either.
Let's hope it can hold on to give the readers a good start to the week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2011, 02:37:23 PM
Crazy price 1/12 on
Title: Re: 2-50
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2011, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: drici on March 28, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: boojangles on March 28, 2011, 02:26:49 PM

Did ya see what price it is???



There are no non runners in the race either.
Let's hope it can hold on to give the readers a good start to the week.

won by a street
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 28, 2011, 03:05:28 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 28, 2011, 02:37:23 PM
Crazy price 1/12 on

1/12 on??

12/1 on!

;)
Title: Toradh
Post by: drici on March 28, 2011, 04:08:02 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/8c52dd74e63a8ca3c3b35b836bb56e670b38d8fc0720daca31c027277afe7e086g.jpg)


Great stuff from the Irish News tipsters.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 28, 2011, 04:27:28 PM
i love the straight forecast, £1.56 lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 30, 2011, 10:56:53 AM
What way do they sort out the runners for the national? I have always liked a horse called Merigo. Whats his chances of getting in? If he does get in what weight would he have to carry? 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2011, 11:05:58 AM
He'd need 16 ahead of him to come out so it's highly unlikely he'll get a run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 30, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
Always wondered what way that worked DH. The 16 horses ahead of him, on what basis are they ahead of him? Cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
Phil Smith (the British handicapper) has allotted them a higher rating.

Don't Push It is the highest rated horse in the field with an official rating of 160. He will carry top weight of 11st10lbs. Merigo is rated 137 so he would in theory be getting 23lbs from Don't Push It (i.e. 10st1lb). But Merigo is number 56 on the list so there are 55 horses rated higher than him and only 40 runners get into the race so he'll need 15 of the horses rated higher than him at the moment to be taken out.

The cut off point is likely to be around One Cool Cookie or Our Monty who are currently 47 and 48 on the list respectively.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 30, 2011, 12:24:31 PM
What do you reckon to Blusea Cracker's chacnes DH? Defending a decent record of Irish National winners though I presume that mares have a poor record in the race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2011, 02:23:58 PM
I never have too strong an opinion on the Aintree National tbh because the race is such a lottery. I wouldn't want to put anyone off a particular horse because some of them just come alive over the big fences. Don't Push It looked like he'd turned into a right dog since he was running in the Arkle and bustling up Denman as a novice, but look at how the race sparked his enthusiasm last year.

Bluesea Cracker has proved her ability to perform in big fields and over extreme distances so she ticks two boxes. Her form this year has been uninspiring (she travelled like the winner for much of the way in a Cheltenham handicap in November but found nothing off the bridle). It would be foolish to write her off on the basis of that though because plenty of mares only find their form once they get a bit of sun on their backs. The mares stat wouldn't put me off because very few have run in the race so it is not a big enough sample for it to be a reliable trend.

I've an antepost bet on The Midnight Club from before the Thyestes and everything appears to be coming right for him now with Walsh booked and the rain forecast. The value in his price has probably gone now though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 01, 2011, 03:31:47 PM
getting word for one now in 5 mins,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 01, 2011, 03:56:23 PM
rossmill lad 4.10 Stratford
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on April 01, 2011, 03:57:04 PM
how reliable?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 01, 2011, 04:02:11 PM
source 80% strike rate for me!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Fermanaghandsam on April 01, 2011, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
Phil Smith (the British handicapper) has allotted them a higher rating.

Don't Push It is the highest rated horse in the field with an official rating of 160. He will carry top weight of 11st10lbs. Merigo is rated 137 so he would in theory be getting 23lbs from Don't Push It (i.e. 10st1lb). But Merigo is number 56 on the list so there are 55 horses rated higher than him and only 40 runners get into the race so he'll need 15 of the horses rated higher than him at the moment to be taken out.

The cut off point is likely to be around One Cool Cookie or Our Monty who are currently 47 and 48 on the list respectively.

When is the final field actually decided, is there a cut off point next week?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 01, 2011, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on April 01, 2011, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
Phil Smith (the British handicapper) has allotted them a higher rating.

Don't Push It is the highest rated horse in the field with an official rating of 160. He will carry top weight of 11st10lbs. Merigo is rated 137 so he would in theory be getting 23lbs from Don't Push It (i.e. 10st1lb). But Merigo is number 56 on the list so there are 55 horses rated higher than him and only 40 runners get into the race so he'll need 15 of the horses rated higher than him at the moment to be taken out.

The cut off point is likely to be around One Cool Cookie or Our Monty who are currently 47 and 48 on the list respectively.

When is the final field actually decided, is there a cut off point next week?

Final declarations on Thursday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on April 02, 2011, 04:42:05 PM
gimlis return worth a few quid in the last @ gowran
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on April 02, 2011, 06:15:44 PM
maybe not ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 02, 2011, 06:18:31 PM
Charlie Swan's Aintree hope One Cool Cookie had to be put down this morning
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 02, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
real article, quito de la roque at limerick tomorrow and glor na mara, jumbo rio at the curragh
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 02, 2011, 09:54:54 PM
I've been a big fan of Last Instalment since he won the p2p bumper by the length of the Fairyhouse straight last Easter. He could be a hell of a chaser in time. Should be an e/w price against Lios A Choill (JP has bought him from Jackie Mullins) and The Real Article who may need the run. The two bumpers tomorrow are fascinating contests. DK thinks very highly of Waaheb and he's got a great record in this race. Cash And Go won the 4yo bumper at Thurles that always throws up a useful animal and he's very well bred himself being related to Catch Me. The Rockview bumper at the Curragh looks very competitive. I think the best bumper horses in Ireland will be on show tomorrow. The crop we sent to Cheltenham were useless.

Notable Graduate is an interesting runner at the Curragh. He's a brother to both Refuse To Bend and Media Puzzle. St Nicholas Abbey will be watched with interest expecially considering the 'ride' Fame And Glory received in this same race last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 04, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Waaheb is a serious animal. I'll be smashing into him for the Champion Bumper at Punchestown. I think he'll have too many gears for Samain who galloped them into the ground at the Curragh yesterday. Last Instalment completed a good day for Gigginstown. He should be a serious tool over a fence next year.

St Nicholas Abbey was a big disappointment at hq. Might be a bit premature to put a line through him but he's no superstar. Unaccompanied and Lolly For Dolly are two fierce likeable mares. The 3yo maiden looked a very strong contest. I'd say that race will work out very well and the first four or five home are worth following.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 04, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
Dh my good man,or any of the rest of you boys that know your racing,am i mad in the head for thinking of backing hello bud in the grand national at 13 years of age?
I've already got a few pound on backstage at decent prices but won't be backing him again at the prices currently available!I've just watched last years National (5th)and also the Becher chase which hello bud won and in both he jumped impeccably,i'd expect him to get out in front and bowl along avoiding trouble in behind and he obviously stays seeing as he finished last year after being up with the pace all round,any thoughts?
Anyone i've been talking to is teling me not a hope a 13 year old will win but after running so well in November he can't have gone down hill that rapidly can he?I know he was plled up last time out but i presume that was just to blow out the cobwebs  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 04, 2011, 11:49:58 PM
I wouldn't write off any horse for the National and Hello Bud has solid claims (good course form and Scottish National winner so proven stamina on fast ground). He's a bit high in the handicap for my liking though and I'd prefer to stick to a more unexposed type.

Backstage is an interesting one. Hard to guage what the worth of his form is given that his recent runs have been in p2ps. Elliot is a genius though as he proved at Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 05, 2011, 03:50:27 PM
Limerick 5.45

Secret Hero (e/w)

Don't Shoot the messenger...  :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on April 05, 2011, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 05, 2011, 03:50:27 PM
Limerick 5.45

Secret Hero (e/w)

Don't Shoot the messenger...  :-X

5:45 - Limerick

6 Mrs Batt 9/1
9 Legendary Times 10/1
3 Landsdowne 14/1
12 Captain James 14/1
16 Ran

Keep away from those optics :D

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on April 06, 2011, 10:36:56 AM
Anyone (DH?!!) got any fancies for the Aintree festival?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
Always best to take it fairly easy at Aintree. Very hard track to read and always throws up some funny results.

Big Bucks looks bombproof and the 4/7 available for tomorrow looks very tempting although such a bet wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. I'd be avoiding Denman like the plague tomorrow. Wouldn't surprise me if the mare turns them all over.

Spirit Son ran as green as the grass when he came under pressure at Cheltenham yet still only found one horse too good. I think he'll gain compensation on Friday. Bobs Worth should give Henderson and Geraghty a novice hurdle double in the three miler.

Saturday looks a great card but I'm not sure there's any great punting opportunities. Finians Rainbow didn't get up the hill in the Arkle but he could just jump them silly from the front around Liverpool. The Aintree Hurdle even without Quevega and Hurricane Fly still looks a cracker. I wouldn't be rushing down the bookies to back either Binocular or Peddlers Cross, Oscar Whiskey looks a good e/w alternative. He surprised me in the Champion Hurdle. Looking forward to seeing how Allure Of Illusion gets on in the bumper. They swerved Cheltenham because the gruelling nature of that race was unlikely to suit. He possesses plenty of speed so Aintree should be ideal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 06, 2011, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
Always best to take it fairly easy at Aintree. Very hard track to read and always throws up some funny results.

Big Bucks looks bombproof and the 4/7 available for tomorrow looks very tempting although such a bet wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. I'd be avoiding Denman like the plague tomorrow. Wouldn't surprise me if the mare turns them all over.

Spirit Son ran as green as the grass when he came under pressure at Cheltenham yet still only found one horse too good. I think he'll gain compensation on Friday. Bobs Worth should give Henderson and Geraghty a novice hurdle double in the three miler.

Saturday looks a great card but I'm not sure there's any great punting opportunities. Finians Rainbow didn't get up the hill in the Arkle but he could just jump them silly from the front around Liverpool. The Aintree Hurdle even without Quevega and Hurricane Fly still looks a cracker. I wouldn't be rushing down the bookies to back either Binocular or Peddlers Cross, Oscar Whiskey looks a good e/w alternative. He surprised me in the Champion Hurdle. Looking forward to seeing how Allure Of Illusion gets on in the bumper. They swerved Cheltenham because the gruelling nature of that race was unlikely to suit. He possesses plenty of speed so Aintree should be ideal.

What would you view be on Our Monty maybe in the Topham if he doesnt make cut for the national, been off the track for a while but looked progressive before
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2011, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: maddog on April 06, 2011, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
Always best to take it fairly easy at Aintree. Very hard track to read and always throws up some funny results.

Big Bucks looks bombproof and the 4/7 available for tomorrow looks very tempting although such a bet wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. I'd be avoiding Denman like the plague tomorrow. Wouldn't surprise me if the mare turns them all over.

Spirit Son ran as green as the grass when he came under pressure at Cheltenham yet still only found one horse too good. I think he'll gain compensation on Friday. Bobs Worth should give Henderson and Geraghty a novice hurdle double in the three miler.

Saturday looks a great card but I'm not sure there's any great punting opportunities. Finians Rainbow didn't get up the hill in the Arkle but he could just jump them silly from the front around Liverpool. The Aintree Hurdle even without Quevega and Hurricane Fly still looks a cracker. I wouldn't be rushing down the bookies to back either Binocular or Peddlers Cross, Oscar Whiskey looks a good e/w alternative. He surprised me in the Champion Hurdle. Looking forward to seeing how Allure Of Illusion gets on in the bumper. They swerved Cheltenham because the gruelling nature of that race was unlikely to suit. He possesses plenty of speed so Aintree should be ideal.

What would you view be on Our Monty maybe in the Topham if he doesnt make cut for the national, been off the track for a while but looked progressive before

He's guaranteed to sneak into the National now AFAIK. Probably would be better off in the Topham but I think they have Scotsirish in that. Hard to see him staying 4m4. The Cork National that he won down at Mallow was run at an absolute crawl from what I can remember.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 06, 2011, 02:49:23 PM
When are odds available for all races at aintree? Wanted to look at odds for doing a lucky 15 or better over the festival for interest but can't get odds for some of the races!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 06, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
Our Monty is out according to an article on the RP site this afternoon. It's disappointing for Katie Walsh.

Good write-up DH but I'd have to disagree about Peddlers Cross, that was a serious run at Cheltenham to keep up with Hurricane Fly and he clearly wants further. The 2m 4f looks about right for him and and though I think, he has a propensity to save his best for Prestbury Park, he won at Aintree last year. Anything over 2/1 would do nicely for me.

Agree about Big Bucks, we'll never know how good he can be but the approach I would take is to keep backing him until he eventually loses.

Also undecided about Denman, could definitely see him getting turned over but nothing there that would appeal to me. Might be just a race to watch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 06, 2011, 03:02:32 PM
Quote from: boojangles on March 27, 2011, 12:55:11 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on March 26, 2011, 10:41:33 AM
Any thoughts on today's Meydan card - world's richest race meeting featuring the world's richest race!? Or is this an an entirely jumps thread? It's live on TG4 from 1.00 to 6.00!

The Japanese runners, Buena Vista and Victoire Pisa have outstanding chances in the World Cup but have several stats to overcome. Twice Over is a worthy favourite but ran poorly in this race last year - although showed no sign of doing the same when hacking up in the latest round of the Maktoum Challenge - normally an excellent trial. And, a famous moment for Irish racing when Aidan O'Brien saddles Cape Blanco - their first ever in this race. It's a very good race this year, probably not good enough to do justice to it's title, but in previous years, there's been some shocking ones. Anyway I'll go with Victoire Pisa for the win.

The Sheema Classic is as weak a renewal I've ever seen - think Rewilding has a brilliant chance but if looking for an outsider, which I often like to do in these type of races where the standard is well below of what's normally required - look no further than the Hong Kong raider - King Dancer.

The addition of a new turf sprint race has done no good for either itself or it's Tapeta counterpart - the Golden Shaheen. I much preferred when the Al Quoz Sprint was run on Super Thursday but will go for the two favourites in both, JJ the Jet Plane and Rocket Man (outstanding international sprinter and deserves a big one).

Looking forward to the Duty Free most - where I've backed another Singaporean - Better Than Ever. Beaten once in fifteen stars, which came on very ground, and broke the mile track record and the well-renowned Kranji track on his last start. Another who has a chance is Royal Bench who flew home off a slow pace in the Hong Kong Mile in December and with more pace on here, has a chance.

I knew that Sea the Stars has a great knowledge of the Racing scene but I think we may have found our Flat racing equivalent of the one and only Donnellys Hollow. Great stuff Sir, keep it up.
Thought Cape Blanco ran a great race and his lack of race fitness was probably his undoing in the finish.

Might need to predict another hundred or so winners to get earn those type of comparisons. Agree about Cape Blanco - ran well but fitness told in the end. Interesting that APOB talked about Singapore after the race, wonder will they take a kind of globetrotting route with him this year. Other races like the Arlington Million, Canadian International and a few races in France and Germany could be easy pickings and are possibly coming into the equation. The do have So You Think, Fame And Glory, Starspangledbanner, Await the Dawn, Viscount Nelson and Jan Vermeer for the older races plus the 3yos in the latter half of the season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2011, 03:32:50 PM
I'd oppose Peddlers Cross at the price. He should improve for the trip but he had a hard race at Kelso and then ran a cracker in a gruelling Champion Hurdle. He may have a fantastic constitution but it's a massive ask of a horse to go to the well again and find as much there. He did win at Aintree last year but he was laboured in beating a very moderate horse of Philip Hobbs'. I may be reading the race totally wrong but I reckon there could be a bit of a turn up in it.

The more I look at the 3 mile chase tomorrow, the more I'm considering a decent bet on Carole's Legacy. On ratings, she hasn't a prayer but it's a small field and tactics/pace often play a bigger part at Liverpool than they do at Cheltenham. She's remarkably consistent (albeit at a lower level) and I believe she's in foal to Kayf Tara. Mares in foal often improve out of all recognition - the Collins' Redstone Dancer being a prime example on the flat a few summers ago.

Is Starspangledbanner back in training? I assumed he'd been sent to stud. Good card at Leopardstown on Sunday - interesting to see if Recital takes his chance in the Ballysax. Famous Name also back for another season still in search of that elusive Group 1 - great to see.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 06, 2011, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2011, 03:32:50 PM
I'd oppose Peddlers Cross at the price. He should improve for the trip but he had a hard race at Kelso and then ran a cracker in a gruelling Champion Hurdle. He may have a fantastic constitution but it's a massive ask of a horse to go to the well again and find as much there. He did win at Aintree last year but he was laboured in beating a very moderate horse of Philip Hobbs'. I may be reading the race totally wrong but I reckon there could be a bit of a turn up in it.

The more I look at the 3 mile chase tomorrow, the more I'm considering a decent bet on Carole's Legacy. On ratings, she hasn't a prayer but it's a small field and tactics/pace often play a bigger part at Liverpool than they do at Cheltenham. She's remarkably consistent (albeit at a lower level) and I believe she's in foal to Kayf Tara. Mares in foal often improve out of all recognition - the Collins' Redstone Dancer being a prime example on the flat a few summers ago.

Is Starspangledbanner back in training? I assumed he'd been sent to stud. Good card at Leopardstown on Sunday - interesting to see if Recital takes his chance in the Ballysax. Famous Name also back for another season still in search of that elusive Group 1 - great to see.

Just checked - he has been retired. Not sure why I thought otherwise, had it in my head all winter that he'd back. Very good sprinter on his day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on April 06, 2011, 08:36:47 PM
just a note on Allure Of Illusion they didn't swerve cheltenham with him he was balloted out of the race and i also see rich ricci is the new owner think they were very confident of a big run if he hada got in
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2011, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on April 06, 2011, 08:36:47 PM
just a note on Allure Of Illusion they didn't swerve cheltenham with him he was balloted out of the race and i also see rich ricci is the new owner think they were very confident of a big run if he hada got in

Didn't know that. I don't think Cheltenham would have suited him anyway. Very few Captain Rio's would have the stamina to get up the hill - Jumbo Rio being the prime example.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on April 06, 2011, 09:04:37 PM
According to Hendo stable tour on ATR Spirit Son takes on Cue card in 2 m 4 on Saturday. Mossley runs Friday but no Bobs Worth.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 07, 2011, 12:16:18 AM
Russian war e/w and Carlito Brigante without the big 2 tomorrrow!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 07, 2011, 02:09:12 PM
Big Bucks awesome as per usual. Didn't like the price so backed Carlito e/w. A foolish error - winners are winners even at 8/13. To be retired over hurdles unbeaten?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 07, 2011, 02:11:09 PM
Big Bucks never lets ye down!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on April 07, 2011, 02:12:21 PM
big bucks, was it ever in doubt?

sportsline well backed in today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 07, 2011, 02:15:55 PM
Quote from: The Worker on April 07, 2011, 02:12:21 PM
big bucks, was it ever in doubt?

sportsline well backed in today

As Ruby says 'he's an aeroplane!'  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 07, 2011, 02:37:45 PM
He's a great horse but these staying hurdles are no more than consolation prizes. They're mostly made up of horses who are too slow to be Champion Hurdle horses and don't jump well enough for 3 mile chases.

Couldn't understand how on earth he was 4/6 this morning. He'll never go over a fence again because there's easy pickings in these staying hurdles.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 07, 2011, 02:48:58 PM
Zarkander keeps my treble alive. Think Grandouet would have taken it before the fall. Denmania now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 07, 2011, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Mustard on April 07, 2011, 02:48:58 PM
Zarkander keeps my treble alive. Think Grandouet would have taken it before the fall. Denmania now!

It's worse than ever today. Puke inducing - especially that balding wan.

Sorry - Balding wan.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 07, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
Doubt the great denman is finished!  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 07, 2011, 03:23:01 PM
There has been a hole in Denman ever since the Gold Cup he won. That race bottomed him and possibly soured him slightly. The only times he has shown any real enthusiasm for the game is when he's been very fresh - both the 2009 & 2010 Hennessys. Hard to believe he went off at such a skinny price considering he has only won one race in three years.

Great run from Caroles Legacy. Nice bit of black type for her now as she goes off to the covering shed.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 07, 2011, 03:50:43 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 07, 2011, 03:23:01 PM
There has been a hole in Denman ever since the Gold Cup he won. That race bottomed him and possibly soured him slightly. The only times he has shown any real enthusiasm for the game is when he's been very fresh - both the 2009 & 2010 Hennessys. Hard to believe he went off at such a skinny price considering he has only won one race in three years.

Great run from Caroles Legacy. Nice bit of black type for her now as she goes off to the covering shed.

To be second in three Gold Cups is no mean achievement mind you DH. Didn't fancy at all today I must say. Would love to have Big Bucks taken over to Punchestown to face Quevega in the stayer's hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 07, 2011, 04:24:53 PM
could someone post the 1,2,3 as they come in please?
Title: Inniu
Post by: drici on April 07, 2011, 04:34:18 PM
RTÉ except for the TV3 games.

May 15th Donegal 1-10 Antrim 0-07 3-30pm

May 22nd  Laois 0-10 Longford 0-09 2-00pm   Kildare 0-12 Wicklow 0-05 4-00pm

May 29th Dublin v Offaly 2-00pm (H)   Tipperary v Cork 4-00pm (H)

June 4th Limerick v Kerry 6-45pm

June 5th Kildare v Meath 2-00pm   Laois v Dublin 4-00pm TV3

June 11th Antrim/Wexford v Kilkenny 7-00pm (H)

June 12th Leitrim v Roscommon 2-00pm   Limerick v Waterford 4-00pm (H)

June 18th Westmeath/Galway v Dublin/Offaly 7-00pm (H)

June 19th Derry v Armagh/Down 2-00pm

June 25th Football Qualifier 7-00pm

June 26th London/Mayo v Galway 2-00pm   Kildare/Meath v Laois/Dublin 4-00pm

July 3rd Munster Senior Football Final 2-00pm

July 10th Leinster Senior Football Final 2-00pm   Munster Senior Hurling Final 4-00pm (H) - yes.

July 16th Football Qualifier 7-00pm

July 17th Ulster Senior Football Final 2-00pm TV3   Connacht Senior Football Final 4-00pm TV3

(July 23-31 - The All-Ireland Senior Football Championship fourth round Qualifiers and All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Quarter Finals will take place during this period. It has yet to be confirmed which broadcaster will be covering these games.)

July 23rd Football Qualifier 7-00pm

July 24th All Ireland Senior Hurling Quarter-finals (H)

July 30/31 All Ireland Senior Football Quarter-finals

August 7th All Ireland Minor Hurling  & Senior Hurling Semi Final (H)

August 14th All Ireland Minor Football & Senior Hurling Semi Final (H)

August  21st All Ireland Minor Football & Senior Football Semi Fnal

August 28th All Ireland Minor Football & Senior Football Semi Final

September 5th All Ireland Minor Hurling Final TV3 (H)  All Ireland Senior Hurling Final (H)

September 18th All Ireland Minor Football Final TV3   All Ireland Senior Football Final
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 07, 2011, 04:58:55 PM
much appreciated. Happy enough with my last minute lucky15
Carloes Legacy
Baby Run
Wollcome Folly
Wishful thinking
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 07, 2011, 10:53:02 PM
Hardy, will you be posting your annual Grand National statistical analysis this year?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 08, 2011, 12:28:08 AM
Quote from: Mac hinery on April 07, 2011, 10:53:02 PM
Hardy, will you be posting your annual Grand National statistical analysis this year?

I'm working on it for myself and I'll post it, but I won't have all that much confidence in it. The usefulness of the National stats has been shot to hell by the handicapper's eccentricities in the past two years and it's a bit of a grope in the dark to figure out the effects of the way he compiles the weights now.

Overall, the effect is that horses carrying bigger weights have a better chance than they used to, which is a good thing, as it means the better horses now have a better chance. Conversely, it's harder for a lowly handicapped runner to be competitive than it was. But it means that the stats of previous runnings no longer directly apply and the overall effect is to make it harder to pick out horses with an obvious advantage.

I've made a few assumptions about new viable weight ranges and I'm analysing stats on that basis, but it's a bit of a guess, really.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on April 08, 2011, 08:24:43 AM
Quote from: beer baron on April 07, 2011, 12:16:18 AM
Russian war e/w and Carlito Brigante without the big 2 tomorrrow!

Some call! Good man!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 08, 2011, 09:26:14 AM
DH whats your thoughts on the melling chase today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2011, 10:09:06 AM
Very hard race to weigh up. I'd want to be against Master Minded because I have suspected for a while that he's just gone at the game. Kalahari King never seems to win and Somersby was stuffed over course and distance last year. Albertas Run is a worthy favourite but the price is skinny enough after a hard race at Cheltenham. I know Tranquil Sea was well fancied for the Ryanair before he had to pull out and he might just be that bit fresher than the front four in the market. Mad Max also looks like a Liverpool horse to me - never seems to run his race at Cheltenham. I'd go with both of them against the field.

I haven't had a bet today. The 2 mile novice hurdle looks one of the worst quality Grade 1s ever. The only bet I'd consider at the moment is Back In Focus in the 3 mile novice. He won a hot race at Haydock on his first run under rules after winning a p2p at Kilfeacle in January. Being a Bob Back, he should improve for this better ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 08, 2011, 11:34:54 AM
As we've discussed, the stats are hard to assess this year for the National The handicapper has gone outside normal practice for the last few years and has tried to thwart trainers who try to keep under his radar by running their horses in hurdles and the like. He's tried to re-balance the weights so that better class horses are not run out of it by donkeys carrying hardly anything.

The result is probably good for the quality of the race, but bad for people trying to assess the statistics. For the last two years, the well-proven statistics of years have been torn up by the winners and placed horses.

A further result of this is that there are more horses entered with genuine chances - horses that meet the established profile of experience, results, jumping ability, season form, etc.

The upshot is that, even adjusting the weight criterion, more than half the field meet the main statistical criteria. Trying to narrow it down then becomes an exercise in applying less significant criteria and trying to weight these criteria in their importance. This really turns what's intended to be an objective assessment into a subjective judgement. Somebody else could apply the same tests, interpret them differently and come up with different selections. So I have no real confidence in the outcome.

OK – that's enough disclaimers.

I've narrowed the contenders down to five. The shortest is 20/1. That raises another stat – 7 of the last 10 winners were 20/1 or less. On the other hand, 9 of the last 10 winners were over 25/1 at publication of the weights. What can you make of that?

I'm probably going to back all of these each way:

Niche Market 20/1, 27 on Betfair
Chief Dan George 40/1, 70
Bluesea Cracker 25/1, 30
Can't Buy Time 66/1, 180 (!)
Golden Kite 66/1, 130

I'd be interested to hear bcarrier's and other stats fans' take on the race and DH's form view.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 08, 2011, 12:04:34 PM
Dev e/w 3.40 from same source as russian war yesterday!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 08, 2011, 12:34:24 PM
Lucky 15:

Back In Focus @ 6/1    
Alfa Beat @ 14/1 
The Giant Bolster @ 8/1 (forgave him and DH after last month)  ;)
Tranquil Sea @ 13/2

Also Backed for a bit of interest:

Dev @ 15/2
Baby Shine @ 7/1
Devil to Pay @ 3/1 (Fontwell)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on April 08, 2011, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 08, 2011, 12:34:24 PM
Lucky 15:

Back In Focus @ 6/1    
Alfa Beat @ 14/1 
The Giant Bolster @ 8/1 (forgave him and DH after last month)  ;)
Tranquil Sea @ 13/2

Also Backed for a bit of interest:

Dev @ 15/2
Baby Shine @ 7/1
Devil to Pay @ 3/1 (Fontwell)

Much drink taken? ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 08, 2011, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Groucho on April 08, 2011, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 08, 2011, 12:34:24 PM
Lucky 15:

Back In Focus @ 6/1    
Alfa Beat @ 14/1 
The Giant Bolster @ 8/1 (forgave him and DH after last month)  ;)
Tranquil Sea @ 13/2

Also Backed for a bit of interest:

Dev @ 15/2
Baby Shine @ 7/1
Devil to Pay @ 3/1 (Fontwell)

Much drink taken? ;)

AFTER LASTNIGHT???   Loads kiddo... sure i cant drink it all!! may as well blow a few quid at the donkeys  :-*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 08, 2011, 01:11:28 PM
Has Alex Ferguson got a horse running today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 08, 2011, 02:08:21 PM
Tranquil sea
Dev
Sparky May
Wayward Prince
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: johnneycool on April 08, 2011, 02:45:56 PM
I've just drawn the golden kite in the office sweep,

Has it got four legs and would I be better running the course myself?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 08, 2011, 05:37:55 PM
I'm going to go for Bluesea Cracker. Irish National winner running off a low weight. Must have reasonable propsects of success.

My theory on Niche Market is that Ruby Walsh knows more about horses than me and he's not riding him. Mind you I suppose you could say the same about McCoy and Bluesea but you can't come off a National winner I suppose, plus the decision was made before JP bought Bluesea Cracker.

Price for Don't Push It has reached ridiculous levels. I'm not a backer of 1/8 shots so I won't be laying it but surely its completely overbet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 08, 2011, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 08, 2011, 11:34:54 AM
As we've discussed, the stats are hard to assess this year for the National The handicapper has gone outside normal practice for the last few years and has tried to thwart trainers who try to keep under his radar by running their horses in hurdles and the like. He's tried to re-balance the weights so that better class horses are not run out of it by donkeys carrying hardly anything.

The result is probably good for the quality of the race, but bad for people trying to assess the statistics. For the last two years, the well-proven statistics of years have been torn up by the winners and placed horses.

A further result of this is that there are more horses entered with genuine chances - horses that meet the established profile of experience, results, jumping ability, season form, etc.

The upshot is that, even adjusting the weight criterion, more than half the field meet the main statistical criteria. Trying to narrow it down then becomes an exercise in applying less significant criteria and trying to weight these criteria in their importance. This really turns what's intended to be an objective assessment into a subjective judgement. Somebody else could apply the same tests, interpret them differently and come up with different selections. So I have no real confidence in the outcome.

OK – that's enough disclaimers.

I've narrowed the contenders down to five. The shortest is 20/1. That raises another stat – 7 of the last 10 winners were 20/1 or less. On the other hand, 9 of the last 10 winners were over 25/1 at publication of the weights. What can you make of that?

I'm probably going to back all of these each way:

Niche Market 20/1, 27 on Betfair
Chief Dan George 40/1, 70
Bluesea Cracker 25/1, 30
Can't Buy Time 66/1, 180 (!)
Golden Kite 66/1, 130

I'd be interested to hear bcarrier's and other stats fans' take on the race and DH's form view.

Cheers Hardy.  Your Grand National list is sort of an institution now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 08, 2011, 10:35:55 PM
Fantastic spectacle in prospect tomorrow! I love the Grand National as a watching race but not as a betting one.

Being through the form several times, and there's about a dozen runners who I'd make a serious case for, and another dozen who with a bit of luck, I feel would run very well. Thus, exemplifying the lottery nature of the race. I wouldn't be a massive advocate of anything but those interested in a once-a-year bet could do worse than put something on a pair of 100/1 outsiders, Can't Buy Time and King Fontaince.

The Irish challenge is strong, The Midnight Club has got a lot of mentions on this thread, and I agree, he is a very solid contender and has been a worthy ante-post favourite, surprisingly usurped by Don't Push It tonight.

In reply to some of the posts on here, McCoy and Walsh ridden runners are usually overbet, and especially so, in the Grand National. I remember thinking last year as Don't Push It went 20s, 18s, 16s, 14s, 12s, 10s that the public were crazy to keep backing him. Even in hindsight, 10/1 was shocking value. But he lit up over the fences and ran the race of his life and he's only 7lbs higher this time (and I think 160 is one of the highest top weights ever).

The stats are beginning to sway towards a higher rated runner in the last two years, due to Phil Smith's leniancy towards horses at the head of the handicap. Not sure if they will prove as much addition as in other years but no harm to use them as a guide.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bogball XV on April 09, 2011, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 08, 2011, 11:34:54 AM
As we've discussed, the stats are hard to assess this year for the National The handicapper has gone outside normal practice for the last few years and has tried to thwart trainers who try to keep under his radar by running their horses in hurdles and the like. He's tried to re-balance the weights so that better class horses are not run out of it by donkeys carrying hardly anything.

The result is probably good for the quality of the race, but bad for people trying to assess the statistics. For the last two years, the well-proven statistics of years have been torn up by the winners and placed horses.

A further result of this is that there are more horses entered with genuine chances - horses that meet the established profile of experience, results, jumping ability, season form, etc.

The upshot is that, even adjusting the weight criterion, more than half the field meet the main statistical criteria. Trying to narrow it down then becomes an exercise in applying less significant criteria and trying to weight these criteria in their importance. This really turns what's intended to be an objective assessment into a subjective judgement. Somebody else could apply the same tests, interpret them differently and come up with different selections. So I have no real confidence in the outcome.

OK – that's enough disclaimers.

I've narrowed the contenders down to five. The shortest is 20/1. That raises another stat – 7 of the last 10 winners were 20/1 or less. On the other hand, 9 of the last 10 winners were over 25/1 at publication of the weights. What can you make of that?

I'm probably going to back all of these each way:

Niche Market 20/1, 27 on Betfair
Chief Dan George 40/1, 70
Bluesea Cracker 25/1, 30
Can't Buy Time 66/1, 180 (!)
Golden Kite 66/1, 130

I'd be interested to hear bcarrier's and other stats fans' take on the race and DH's form view.
Here are the horse I've backed anyway - done on betfair, so only backed the bottom two for top 6 places - GL Hardy!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 09, 2011, 01:52:33 PM
DH strikes again! Spirit son you wee beaut!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2011, 02:28:02 PM
Great day for Geraghty, Henderson & Buckley so far. He's a fabulous jumper that Finians Rainbow but he looks a bit soft. If he strengthens up a bit during the winter, he could make a decent two mile chaser next season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2011, 02:56:31 PM
Get up the yard ya beaut!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 09, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
put a few quid on hardy's tips here's hoping
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2011, 04:33:24 PM
Delighted for Jason Maguire - missed out on the ride on Silver Birch when he won. His uncle who was one of the finest jockeys I've ever seen never won the race.

Walsh performed miracles to get The Midnight Club home.

Will Paul Carberry receive a two day ban for swearing on the BBC?!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 09, 2011, 06:39:44 PM
Who was Jasons uncle DH? Adrian??
Great tipping by the way, but we'v come to expect nothing less!
Did Spirit Son and Finians Rainbow in a double. Should have thrown in your 3rd fancy (Geraghtys 3rd runner) Oscar Whiskey but a good day overall. I definitely owe Barry Geraghty a drink if I ever meet him, after winning on Pipes horse Battlegroup yesterday. ;D
Backed State of Play each way for the 3rd year in a row and again he duly obliged after looking totally beaten. Would stay 5 miles if asked!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 09, 2011, 08:04:34 PM
What did Carberry the king say?Went on the rip last night and didn't get home until about 12 o clock today and went to bed-missed the National woke up 5 minutes before he off to see a text with a tip for Elliotts/Carberrys in the last so not so bad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 09, 2011, 08:58:12 PM
I know this isn't horse racing but felt some of you might appreciate the value available here!Closest thing to a cert you will get-both teams to score in Cork armagh game at 5/4  :o http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/1946702/Cork-v-Armagh.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 09, 2011, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 09, 2011, 08:58:12 PM
I know this isn't horse racing but felt some of you might appreciate the value available here!Closest thing to a cert you will get-both teams to score in Cork armagh game at 5/4  :o http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/1946702/Cork-v-Armagh.html

WTF?? Surely that can't be right???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ross4life on April 09, 2011, 09:24:10 PM
Sad to hear two horses Ornais & Dooneys Gate had to be put down after the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on April 09, 2011, 09:45:45 PM
I arranged the sweep in our place and the most hateful oul **** in it won. I might just say I lost the money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 09, 2011, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 09, 2011, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 09, 2011, 08:58:12 PM
I know this isn't horse racing but felt some of you might appreciate the value available here!Closest thing to a cert you will get-both teams to score in Cork armagh game at 5/4  :o http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/1946702/Cork-v-Armagh.html

WTF?? Surely that can't be right???

Apparently they did the sme for Dublin and Down game and paid out-madness!1 of the lads has ridiculous money on it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on April 09, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 09, 2011, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 09, 2011, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 09, 2011, 08:58:12 PM
I know this isn't horse racing but felt some of you might appreciate the value available here!Closest thing to a cert you will get-both teams to score in Cork armagh game at 5/4  :o http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/1946702/Cork-v-Armagh.html

WTF?? Surely that can't be right???

Apparently they did the sme for Dublin and Down game and paid out-madness!1 of the lads has ridiculous money on it!

I take it is to score a goal? They will hardly pay out, will they?

Slinks off to open William Hill account...........
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on April 09, 2011, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 09:56:04 PM
Houl on though, will Armagh score?

Wouldn't you wreck the place if they didn't ? With Paddy O'Rourke at the helm though..........
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maximus on April 09, 2011, 10:16:56 PM
Does this refer to goals?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on April 09, 2011, 10:20:21 PM
Quote from: maximus on April 09, 2011, 10:16:56 PM
Does this refer to goals?

It just says "both teams to score" and it is a separate market. They obviously mean "both teams to score a goal" but that's not how they have worded it so I say steam in. Worse case scenario you get your bet refunded if they don't pay out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maximus on April 09, 2011, 10:25:03 PM
Put a bit on it. Have they actually paid out with both teams scoring points?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
Peter Toole who was previously based with Tom Taaffe in Ardclough is in a critical condition in a Liverpool hospital tonight after a fall from Classic Fly in the novice chase today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maximus on April 09, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
They have taken down the bet on william hill. Will bets be cancelled?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 09, 2011, 11:13:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
Peter Toole who was previously based with Tom Taaffe in Ardclough is in a critical condition in a Liverpool hospital tonight after a fall from Classic Fly in the novice chase today.

Jeez how did you hear that DH? Hope he pulls through with no ill-effects
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on April 10, 2011, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: maximus on April 09, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
They have taken down the bet on william hill. Will bets be cancelled?

My bet is still on, it says "DNS" after it, what does that stand for?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maximus on April 10, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Mine also says DNS just means the official result isn't known yet. Bet not void yet! I just hope both teams score goals to save the bother of having to appeal it with them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maximus on April 10, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
both teams have scored!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on April 10, 2011, 03:32:42 PM
 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 03:34:56 PM
Goals for both teams.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maximus on April 10, 2011, 03:38:41 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Glad I took your advice Minder and Baron Cheers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 10, 2011, 05:42:48 PM
Quote from: maximus on April 10, 2011, 03:38:41 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Glad I took your advice Minder and Baron Cheers!

If only gambling was always this easy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on April 10, 2011, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 10, 2011, 05:42:48 PM
Quote from: maximus on April 10, 2011, 03:38:41 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Glad I took your advice Minder and Baron Cheers!

If only gambling was always this easy!

They havent paid out yet !

Edit - they have now  ;D.

Cheers Beer Baron for the heads up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 11, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
Peter Toole who was previously based with Tom Taaffe in Ardclough is in a critical condition in a Liverpool hospital tonight after a fall from Classic Fly in the novice chase today.

It sounds very bad according to Des Cahill this morning. He had bleeding in his brain and has been put into a coma by the doctors. It was a frightening fall. Every time you see something like that, you wonder again why and how these lads do it, when you think of what a horse could do to you if he fell on top of you, galloped over you or caught you a kick in the head or stomach.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 11, 2011, 11:23:18 AM
Was over at Aintree for the weekend there lads almighty craic. Got the first three winners and lumped it all on all the horses to get over the first fence @5/2 one bastid couldn't get the landing gear out ;) but all in all weather was grand and ladies where a treat. I also had the unbelievable luck of having no hangovers. Pockets are lighter but sure it's all part of the fun.

On a more serious note that lad Toole got a bad looking fall, just hoping he comes out of the critical condition he is in at the moment .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on April 11, 2011, 11:54:47 AM
Matt O'Connor made a recovery from an induced coma in 2009 so fingers crossed Peter Toole can pull though.

Jockeys understand the risks  but in general get only very average reward. They are as hard and brave as any sportsmen and deserve better than they get. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 11, 2011, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 11, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
Peter Toole who was previously based with Tom Taaffe in Ardclough is in a critical condition in a Liverpool hospital tonight after a fall from Classic Fly in the novice chase today.

It sounds very bad according to Des Cahill this morning. He had bleeding in his brain and has been put into a coma by the doctors. It was a frightening fall. Every time you see something like that, you wonder again why and how these lads do it, when you think of what a horse could do to you if he fell on top of you, galloped over you or caught you a kick in the head or stomach.

This news following so soon after Jack Tyner's death makes you question whether the NH game is really worth it. Must be very hard for his family and friends back in Dunshaughlin to be dealing with this.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on April 11, 2011, 12:06:52 PM
QuoteMust be very hard for his family and friends back in Dunshaughlin to be dealing with this

Was speaking to a few of them last night - Very hard time for them. Hopefully he'll pull through
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2011, 10:08:14 AM
The RP are reporting that he woke from the coma overnight but has now been placed back under. Yesterday's CT scan came back negative.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 12, 2011, 12:13:46 PM
Keep playing for the lad, hopefully he will pull through.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 12, 2011, 02:30:41 PM
Charlie Mann (trainer - Peter's boss) was interviewed on the John Murray show this morning. He said the CAT scan yesterday was negative - presumably meaning showing nothing dangerous and that while the outcome is uncertain, it seems more hopeful.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 14, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
Got word for Mulvaneys horses in 1st 2 races at tipp tonight,tough as nails and one of three,new source so i won't be going mad,make what you will....... :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Geoff Tipps on April 14, 2011, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 14, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
Got word for Mulvaneys horses in 1st 2 races at tipp tonight,tough as nails and one of three,new source so i won't be going mad,make what you will....... :-\

Yeah got word on those 2 also.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2011, 03:09:55 PM
Any view on the Scottish National Hardy? Looks a tricky enough contest with Nicholls' grey putting so many of them out of the handicap.

5/1 Chicago Grey looks a fairly reasonable e/w bet. If Carberry steers clear of trouble out the back, he seems the type that will creep his way into it on the final circuit like he did in the NH Chase. I'd be surprised if Beshabar turns that Cheltenham form around even with the pull in the weights.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2011, 03:09:55 PM
Any view on the Scottish National Hardy? Looks a tricky enough contest with Nicholls' grey putting so many of them out of the handicap.

5/1 Chicago Grey looks a fairly reasonable e/w bet. If Carberry steers clear of trouble out the back, he seems the type that will creep his way into it on the final circuit like he did in the NH Chase. I'd be surprised if Beshabar turns that Cheltenham form around even with the pull in the weights.


I haven't looked at d'oul stats yet, DH. I had a good result last year, so I'm looking forward to it. Of course if I had any sense I'd know the chances of a repeat are slim.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 14, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 14, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
Got word for Mulvaneys horses in 1st 2 races at tipp tonight,tough as nails and one of three,new source so i won't be going mad,make what you will....... :-\
1 down... 1 to go
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 14, 2011, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 14, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 14, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
Got word for Mulvaneys horses in 1st 2 races at tipp tonight,tough as nails and one of three,new source so i won't be going mad,make what you will....... :-\
1 down... 1 to go

+ 1
;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on April 14, 2011, 05:45:45 PM
Labarinto 5 50 newmarket worth a couple off quid
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 08:44:18 PM

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2011, 03:09:55 PM
Any view on the Scottish National Hardy? Looks a tricky enough contest with Nicholls' grey putting so many of them out of the handicap.

5/1 Chicago Grey looks a fairly reasonable e/w bet. If Carberry steers clear of trouble out the back, he seems the type that will creep his way into it on the final circuit like he did in the NH Chase. I'd be surprised if Beshabar turns that Cheltenham form around even with the pull in the weights.


I've gone through the stats and it's tricky OK. Without knowing what weight horses would have been carrying without Neptune Collonges, I've just ignored the weight stat (all of the last ten winners carried 10-9 or less).

That could invalidate everything, of course, but firing ahead, only one horse ticks all of the high-incidence stats (9 or 10 of the last ten winners complied) - Regal Heights at 33/1 (55 on Betfair).

Two more long shots meet nine out of ten of these stats - Bellflower Boy at 40/1 (160 Betfair) and Cold Mountain at 66/1 (100). I can't resist a few bob each way on these as well.

From a purely stats point of view, Chicago Grey has a lot against him. The favourite hasn't won since 2000. Nine of the last ten winners have gone off at 12/1 or more. He has never run in a handicap chase. And eight of the last ten winners bypassed Cheltenham that year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 15, 2011, 12:45:21 PM
Wexford 5.05 fools wildcat e/w!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on April 15, 2011, 12:50:39 PM
Beer Baron..

Tip of fancy fella?

I know someone on here posted a bit of information for Sharekan a while back....didn't win that day but is out at 6.15 Wexford and is being backed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 15, 2011, 01:27:31 PM
Tip oakleafer,he's usually bang on the money when it comes to the trainers horses  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on April 15, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
Got word for Sharekan 6.15 Wexford. He's out to recoup losses of last run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bingo on April 15, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
Not one for the tips but got this one, won't be beat:

Saint Helena 5.10 Leicester tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 15, 2011, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on April 15, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
Got word for Sharekan 6.15 Wexford. He's out to recoup losses of last run.

who told you that?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 15, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: Bingo on April 15, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
Not one for the tips but got this one, won't be beat:

Saint Helena 5.10 Leicester tomorrow.

You're some boy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bingo on April 15, 2011, 03:42:04 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 15, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: Bingo on April 15, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
Not one for the tips but got this one, won't be beat:

Saint Helena 5.10 Leicester tomorrow.

You're some boy!

;D Trust me, the only thing that will beat this horse is itself  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 15, 2011, 03:43:51 PM
Heard bout this St Helena horse,surely this hasnt happened before?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bingo on April 15, 2011, 03:48:18 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 15, 2011, 03:43:51 PM
Heard bout this St Helena horse,surely this hasnt happened before?

Apparently it did, January 2008 in Southwell apparently.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 15, 2011, 03:52:46 PM
The bookies will hardly be sound and give prices  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bingo on April 15, 2011, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 15, 2011, 03:52:46 PM
The bookies will hardly be sound and give prices  :P

Apparently not from the reactions of the lads who I texted it to and told to get on it early as price will be cut to shite  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 15, 2011, 06:00:55 PM
Attrocious run by fools wildcat,looks like he has aa mind of his own! >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 15, 2011, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on April 15, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
Got word for Sharekan 6.15 Wexford. He's out to recoup losses of last run.

(http://theislamicstandard.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/donkey.png)
Title: Anocht
Post by: drici on April 15, 2011, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 05, 2010, 12:21:55 PM


Got word for stephens green this evening at leopardstown.



(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/87cc682f578bec6a5e91d27078ee547507f7ded5e7f0aa799eb46c6ffbd30e8a6g.jpg)


WooHoo.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 15, 2011, 09:53:43 PM
Seen it earlier and noticed a few pound on as well,Fran  booked and all but i remembered promising myself i wouldn't touch him again after he lost me a good bit of money 2 separate times  ::)!Casbah rock my only winner of the evening-recouped my losses from earlier so not so bad!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maximus on April 16, 2011, 01:10:02 PM
Any thoughts on the Scottish national?
Just to mention Bellfower Boy mentioned by Hardy earlier in the week is a non runner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 16, 2011, 01:33:39 PM
Interesting to see how Frankel gets on in the Greenham. Should have way too much for Strong Suit but Cecil's horses looked a bit behind at the Craven meeting.

Dandino in the last at Ripon looks the one to recoup any possible losses. 9/10 best price at the moment. Should be a bit of evs around at some stage before the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 16, 2011, 02:08:53 PM
Neptune Collonges today for me,win or lose he owes me nothing  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 16, 2011, 07:41:32 PM
Frankel won as he was entitled to do. Not sure about the 4/6 for Newmarket but he's a worthy fav. Wouldn't touch him for the Derby though - surely runs too free for the type of test that Epsom provides. World Domination (out of an Oaks winner) looked very useful for the same yard in the 3yo maiden.

Good cards at Navan and Gowran tomorrow. Zanughan runs in the mile and a quarter maiden. He ran third on debut at the Curragh behind the well regarded Marksmanship and Notable Graduate who won at Limerick Junction on Thursday. He should oblige for Oxx & Murtagh. Jenari runs in the first division of the 4yo bumper at Gowran. He's a half-brother to Jered and he ran a cracker behind Waaheb (who I think is probably the best bumper horse in Ireland) at Leopardstown. Shifa in the mares maiden hurdle has been very frustrating but the assistance for the first time of Walsh could make the difference.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 16, 2011, 11:29:32 PM
Anymore word on that young Meath lad?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on April 17, 2011, 12:53:19 PM
like the look of JENARI in the 5-20 at gowran but i could stop a train at the moment  ;D also
Johannisberger in the 5-50 if it runs e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 17, 2011, 05:25:12 PM
How good is this Waaheb? Jenari has just hosed up and he was hammered behind DK's horse who was giving him a stone. Can't wait to see him at Punchestown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 19, 2011, 08:19:16 PM
interested in your veiws dh for the powers gold cup on sunday, very interested in thegreatjohnbrowne. his form beofre christmas was top class beating tharwaaat and bosons angel with ease yet noel meade says he needs soft ground. but on looking at his form his best runs to me seem to have come on decent ground
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 19, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on April 19, 2011, 08:19:16 PM
interested in your veiws dh for the powers gold cup on sunday, very interested in thegreatjohnbrowne. his form beofre christmas was top class beating tharwaaat and bosons angel with ease yet noel meade says he needs soft ground. but on looking at his form his best runs to me seem to have come on decent ground

Very interested in his chances too. I had a big bet on him at Leopardstown and he travelled into the straight like the best horse in the race. To my eyes, Paul probably committed for home too soon and he didn't stay in bottomless ground. He's probably better suited to going right-handed and the step back in trip is another plus.

The ground is something of an unknown. He had breathing issues last year so I'd write off his run at last year's Punchestown Festival. His half-sister Beeverstown Lady won two p2ps on decent ground. Most Beneficials appreciate a bit of cut but they do go on quicker ground - Cooldine, Realt Dubh, Lennon, Sweet Kiln etc.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 20, 2011, 10:55:20 PM
Any word who the 5 jockeys were that have been caught on tape discussing race fixing?I've a good idea who 1 of them are and he's high enough profile(not up with the Moores and Hughes' of this world) but high profile enough,he is top drawer on his day but by god there have been at least half a dozen times in the last 6-8 months where he's obviously not wanted his horse to win,one particular incident happened on the all weather just before Christmas and Chapman on attheraces when emailed about it brushed it under the carpet  ::) Yet Chapman on every chance he gets tells us Horse racing is the best policed sport in the world- what a cowboy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 21, 2011, 12:15:11 PM
Any long term fancies for Irish National ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on April 21, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
Heading to Dandown on Sat for the mixed card, committments playing afterwards so should be a good day out in the sun.

Any thoughts on the card from DH or See The Stars? Should have a comp and see which of you can pick the most winners!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2011, 03:01:52 PM
Not very original but both Nicholls/Walsh horses (Sanctuaire & Tataniano) hold leading claims in the graded hurdle and chase respectively. Dick Turpin should win the Group 2 on the flat. I don't have any strong opinion on the Whitbread. I'm generally useless at reading those staying handicap chases.

Got word for Tony Martin's horse in the 7:05 at Clonmel tonight. Absolutely wretched race but I might have a small e/w interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Up The Middle on April 21, 2011, 03:43:25 PM
whats it called DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 21, 2011, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on April 21, 2011, 03:43:25 PM
whats it called DH?

Somatic's Martins only runner in the race so presume thats the 1?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2011, 04:52:36 PM
That's the one. Wouldn't go mad on it. Knowing Martin, it could run like an absolute drain.

Great news that Peter Toole is finally out of intensive care.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Up The Middle on April 21, 2011, 05:14:36 PM
Will give it a shot anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
Fcukin NRs.

15 runner handicap - typical!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 21, 2011, 07:24:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2011, 04:52:36 PM
That's the one. Wouldn't go mad on it. Knowing Martin, it could run like an absolute drain.

Great news that Peter Toole is finally out of intensive care.

f**k sake if one less horse had come out we'd have had the place money. In any event, those worries pale in significance to those of the Toole family. Great to hear he's improving.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 21, 2011, 07:42:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
Fcukin NRs.

15 runner handicap - typical!

Awh its so typical,soon as i put it on i turned round and goes to one of the lads he's a cert for 4th  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 22, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
Stats selections for the Irish National:

Golden Kite 33/1 (Betfair prices not available at present).
Caim Hill 25/1
Saddler's Storm 20/1
Some Target 10/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 23, 2011, 01:01:49 PM
Stats selections for the Bet365 Gold Cup today (Sandown 3:10):

Poker De Sivola (Strongest) 10/1 (13 Betfair)
Can't Buy Time 14/1 (18.5)
Iris De Balme 66/1 (110)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2011, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2011, 01:01:49 PM
Stats selections for the Bet365 Gold Cup today (Sandown 3:10):

Poker De Sivola (Strongest) 10/1 (13 Betfair)
Can't Buy Time 14/1 (18.5)
Iris De Balme 66/1 (110)

Incredible riding performance from Timmy Murphy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WaterBoy on April 23, 2011, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2011, 01:01:49 PM
Stats selections for the Bet365 Gold Cup today (Sandown 3:10):

Poker De Sivola (Strongest) 10/1 (13 Betfair)
Can't Buy Time 14/1 (18.5)
Iris De Balme 66/1 (110)

Good man Hardy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on April 23, 2011, 03:39:38 PM
Great race!

Poker DS came from nowhere there! thought it was gonna pull up early on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mac hinery on April 23, 2011, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2011, 01:01:49 PM
Stats selections for the Bet365 Gold Cup today (Sandown 3:10):

Poker De Sivola (Strongest) 10/1 (13 Betfair)
Can't Buy Time 14/1 (18.5)
Iris De Balme 66/1 (110)

Thanks Hardy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 23, 2011, 04:57:45 PM
early picks for tomorrow,
sicilan secret- not if too short
our girl salley- risk that ground is too firm but think might be too classy
martin scruff-  had a couple of seconds,  stil handicapped v well
mikael d'haguenet- one last chance
ballymak- about twenty pounds in hand, probably short enough

cork
roberto goldback- should be too good
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
11/4 Our Girl Salley looks very generous. Ground is a slight concern but plenty of Carroll House's progeny have acted ok on quicker going in the past. I'm willing to take a chance at those odds.

Wouldn't even consider having another bet on the card. They seem to have lost the plot completely with Mikael D'Haguenet and I have reservations about both Realt Dubh and Noble Prince.

I'd favour Let Yourself Go over Roberto Goldback down at Mallow but I'd only have an interest if I was getting a decent price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on April 24, 2011, 01:00:49 AM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on April 19, 2011, 08:19:16 PM
interested in your veiws dh for the powers gold cup on sunday, very interested in thegreatjohnbrowne. his form beofre christmas was top class beating tharwaaat and bosons angel with ease yet noel meade says he needs soft ground. but on looking at his form his best runs to me seem to have come on decent ground

Take it Meade has not decided to run him with Realt Dubh.  No one fancying Noble Prince? Ran woeful last day out and McCoy has had better days...

Think I'll give him a chance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 24, 2011, 12:33:39 PM
Traffic article e/w and if dantes king runs he's good e/w,wont be running him if the grounds not in his favour,dont think theyre deciding til after the 1st  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 24, 2011, 01:17:43 PM
Both running in the same race!Disaster,think ill go for dante if he runs!Dont get carried away if he looks like he has everyones goose cooked turning for home-he finds f**k all from what ive seen off him-both times at short prices!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 24, 2011, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
They seem to have lost the plot completely with Mikael D'Haguenet and I have reservations about both Realt Dubh and Noble Prince.

Stats-wise (though the trends wouldn't be that strong overall) MD and NP don't come out that well either. Mr. Cracker is the top box ticker, with Realt Dubh at number two. Mr Cracker has performed in all going as well, so the ground shouldn't bother him at all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 24, 2011, 10:16:00 PM
after todays 'great' selections, tomorrow ill go for;

blackstairmountain, son amix ew
prima vista ew
simonsig nap
sadlers storm, quiscover fontaine
torphichen
for bill
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 25, 2011, 12:22:04 PM
The Irish Grand National is getting beyond a joke. Even att his stage ont he day of the big race the punters arent sure if the favourite will run. Surely there should be a final declaration a day before the race!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 25, 2011, 07:16:32 PM
two winners and four placed from eight isnt bad!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on April 26, 2011, 01:14:21 PM
Been given 2 today.

4.55 Twinlight (Ruby on board for Mullins)

5.00 Mr Maximus

Do what you will.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 26, 2011, 05:02:43 PM
Carnage at the second last at Fairyhouse - winner looked well held. Doubt punters will be complaining though.

Looking forward to seeing Last Instalment in the next. Ground should be slow enough for him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 26, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
RIP Sadlers Wells - the sire of sires

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9EN9f8t9HE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9EN9f8t9HE)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 26, 2011, 10:11:55 PM
Plenty of runners for Gordon Elliot on the first day of the Perth festival. Sure to have several winners there over the next few days.

Zacinto looks a decent price in the Paradise Stakes at Ascot. Seemed to lose his way last year but it's noteworthy that Judmonte and Stoute have decided to keep him in training. His form with Rip Van Winkle and Goldikova is easily the best on offer in this field.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 26, 2011, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 26, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
RIP Sadlers Wells - the sire of sires

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9EN9f8t9HE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9EN9f8t9HE)

Like his old man a sire of champions. And arguably a greater sire of sires. His legacy will live on in the thoroughbred for a very long time.

Galileo, Montjeu, Istabraq, Yeats, High Chaparral, Islington, Milan, King of Kings, Salsabil, Barathea, Imagine, Refuse To Bend, Alexandrova, Entrepreneur - some wondeful names.

No doubt he'll be up there in horse heaven watching over his grand-sons, Frankel and Roderic O'Connor, in the 2000 Guineas this weekend too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 27, 2011, 12:42:41 AM
Not to forget Hurricane Fly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 27, 2011, 06:14:17 PM
6.30 Ballinrobe

No.9

Dont shoot the messenger, i'll Just watch it myself... ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2011, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on April 26, 2011, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 26, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
RIP Sadlers Wells - the sire of sires

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9EN9f8t9HE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9EN9f8t9HE)

Like his old man a sire of champions. And arguably a greater sire of sires. His legacy will live on in the thoroughbred for a very long time.

Galileo, Montjeu, Istabraq, Yeats, High Chaparral, Islington, Milan, King of Kings, Salsabil, Barathea, Imagine, Refuse To Bend, Alexandrova, Entrepreneur - some wondeful names.

No doubt he'll be up there in horse heaven watching over his grand-sons, Frankel and Roderic O'Connor, in the 2000 Guineas this weekend too.

Fairly certain he's Pathfork's damsire as well.

Truly incredible stallion. I would say he was at least the equal of Northern Dancer. The global bloodstock trade was only really beginning when Northern Dancer was in his pomp. Sadlers Wells competed globally against the likes of Danehill, Storm Cat, Danzig, Rainbow Quest and Sunday Silence. His record is truly phenomenal - the leading sire domestically every year from 1992-2004 and three times leading sire in France. The quality of stallions he's produced is testament to his constitution. I saw him paraded one day (at the Curragh I think) and he truly was a bull of a horse. El Prado, Montjeu and Galileo have gone on to follow in his footsteps on the flat. Oscar, Kings Theatre, Old Vic, Accordion, Kayf Tara, Sadlers Hall, Milan and Dushyantor will ensure his legacy lives on over obstacles. He's also been the leading broodmare sire since 2005 and already has 22 winners so far this season (amazing for a stallion that supposedly wasn't a good sire of fillies)!

It just goes to show what a genius MV O'Brien was. Those bloodlines will dominate racing for decades to come.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 27, 2011, 09:11:57 PM
Did anyone see the 7-00 in Ballinrobe, fixed for the heavily backed fav or what!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on April 28, 2011, 11:46:13 AM
8.15 Southwell Yippee Kiyay
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 28, 2011, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on April 28, 2011, 11:46:13 AM
8.15 Southwell Yippee Kiyay

source?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on April 28, 2011, 02:05:28 PM
Ex Bookmaker....have had good info before. Up against some first-timers so im not getting involved too heavy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 28, 2011, 02:07:44 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on April 28, 2011, 02:05:28 PM
Ex Bookmaker....have had good info before. Up against some first-timers so im not getting involved too heavy

Whys he an ex bookmaker? giving out too good a tips!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on April 28, 2011, 02:15:32 PM
Time will tell! ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2011, 04:22:07 PM
The Perth Festival = Gordon Elliott benefit
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 28, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2011, 04:22:07 PM
The Perth Festival = Gordon Elliott benefit

Martin scruff the only 1 he fancied that won!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 28, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2011, 04:22:07 PM
The Perth Festival = Gordon Elliott benefit

Martin scruff the only 1 he fancied that won!

You could back his horses blind at the UK gaff tracks. A 1,2 in the last as well as 8/1 and 11/4 winners earlier on. Only a double there yesterday (fabulous ride by Codd on Oscars Ballad btw). Should be on for the four-timer tomorrow so! Haven't had a look at the card yet.

Maguire showed that there was no need for the showboating of his fellow Meathman on that Martin Scruff back at Punchestown a few months ago.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 28, 2011, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 28, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2011, 04:22:07 PM
The Perth Festival = Gordon Elliott benefit

Martin scruff the only 1 he fancied that won!

You could back his horses blind at the UK gaff tracks. A 1,2 in the last as well as 8/1 and 11/4 winners earlier on. Only a double there yesterday (fabulous ride by Codd on Oscars Ballad btw). Should be on for the four-timer tomorrow so! Haven't had a look at the card yet.

Maguire showed that there was no need for the showboating of his fellow Meathman on that Martin Scruff back at Punchestown a few months ago.

Yeah all his horses seem to go close over there!Thought Martin Scruff idled a bit when he got to the front-near shit myself when i seen the other 1 coming!Thank God he won,i had lost a good few pound on Cayo levantado earlier-backed it before i was told he wouldn't like the ground  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 29, 2011, 01:22:52 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on April 28, 2011, 02:15:32 PM
Time will tell! ;)

Hi was gonna take mccoy on my wee double with martin scruff but you put me off and i went with bruce willis horse! ah well throw a dog a bone and all!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 29, 2011, 10:56:32 AM
Looks like Trendelenburg is the one to be on today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 29, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 29, 2011, 10:56:32 AM
Looks like Trendelenburg is the one to be on today

Looks good alright. Wouldn't know much about the jockey? A fancy or did ya hear something DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 29, 2011, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 29, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 29, 2011, 10:56:32 AM
Looks like Trendelenburg is the one to be on today

Looks good alright. Wouldn't know much about the jockey? A fancy or did ya hear something DH?

Just following the trend of his backed horses at Perth booj. Don't know anything about the young lad riding either but he only has three winners over timber. Only playing around with small money myself - big week ahead at Peerless Punchestown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 29, 2011, 03:05:15 PM
McManus has bought both Waaheb and Thegreatjohnbrowne ahead of next week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 29, 2011, 04:50:09 PM
hopefully doesn't affect tbjb's odds too much, expect a big run from him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 30, 2011, 12:41:44 PM
pathfork would be the one i'd oppose frankel with
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
3.40 Dundalk
Atlas Peak

Lump on Groucho ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2011, 01:37:23 PM
I wouldn't be too keen to take Frankel on today. I think Cecil knows he won't make a Derby horse so this will be his only chance to land a classic. He'll have him primed to the minute for today (hence the prep in the Greenham).

I'd rather take 7/4 Planteur in the Ganay rather than 4/7 Frankel in the Guineas though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on April 30, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
3.40 Dundalk
Atlas Peak

Lump on Groucho ;-)

Good source my tax evading friend?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 02:13:46 PM
The owner... Through a friend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2011, 01:37:23 PM
I wouldn't be too keen to take Frankel on today. I think Cecil knows he won't make a Derby horse so this will be his only chance to land a classic. He'll have him primed to the minute for today (hence the prep in the Greenham).

I'd rather take 7/4 Planteur in the Ganay rather than 4/7 Frankel in the Guineas though.

That Soumillon is one cool customer. Great to watch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
Incredible
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 30, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
3.40 Dundalk
Atlas Peak

Lump on Groucho ;-)
you f**king legend!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Two Hands FFS on April 30, 2011, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Mustard on April 30, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
3.40 Dundalk
Atlas Peak

Lump on Groucho ;-)
you f**king legend!
+1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 30, 2011, 04:07:29 PM
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on April 30, 2011, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Mustard on April 30, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
3.40 Dundalk
Atlas Peak

Lump on Groucho ;-)
you f**king legend!
+1
+2 :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 04:12:46 PM
Gratitude to the source lads, over in Nottingham on a stag, Ladbrokes just got cleaned out!!! :-D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 30, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
Candy got it up in frenchs also, doubled it up with Bessie's Lou which I got word for earlier
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 30, 2011, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
Incredible

I've never seen anything like that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 30, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
3.40 Dundalk
Atlas Peak

Lump on Groucho ;-)

Good stuff
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2011, 04:26:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 30, 2011, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
Incredible

I've never seen anything like that.

Only race I'd compare it to would be Hawk Wing's Lockinge.

Hard to see him making into a Derby horse. I'd be surprised if he got a yard further than 10f the way he races. He'd easily have the speed for a July Cup IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 05:04:28 PM
5.35
Frontline Phantom
Apparently a "good thing" @ 9/4
(Source Unknown)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 30, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 05:04:28 PM
5.35
Frontline Phantom
Apparently a "good thing" @ 9/4
(Source Unknown)

Big screw-up by Peter Carberry. He seemed to mistake a road crossing about 100 yards short for the finish line and pulled up the favourite Frontline Phantom when winning - finished third!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 30, 2011, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 30, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 05:04:28 PM
5.35
Frontline Phantom
Apparently a "good thing" @ 9/4
(Source Unknown)

Big screw-up by Peter Carberry. He seemed to mistake a road crossing about 100 yards short for the finish line and pulled up the favourite Frontline Phantom when winning - finished third!
Today isnt april fools day is it, i got my winnings on this horse (thks candyman), won easy even though it was close enough, as other horse was pushed harder,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2011, 06:09:14 PM
Frontline Phantom won an apprentice handicap on the flat at Doncaster.

The Peter Carberry race was at Uttoxeter. Very unfortunate for the lad but he'll be handed a big ban and rightly so.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 30, 2011, 06:12:05 PM
Apologies - garbled message I got.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 30, 2011, 06:35:31 PM
Having fun in here today lads, good to see. :-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on April 30, 2011, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
3.40 Dundalk
Atlas Peak

Lump on Groucho ;-)

Quote from: Candyman on April 30, 2011, 05:04:28 PM
5.35
Frontline Phantom
Apparently a "good thing" @ 9/4
(Source Unknown)

One swallow doesn't make a summer kid!! ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 01, 2011, 09:40:35 AM
What about 2 in the space of a few hours :-p
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on May 01, 2011, 04:36:18 PM
good stuff ^^^^^^^^ hope ya made plenty backed that atlas peak myself @ 10s roll on punchestown next week heading down for the 5 days
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 01, 2011, 06:11:10 PM
Might pop over to the Curragh tomorrow to see this So You Think. Supposed to be a bit of a monster Down Under. Very interesting to see how he gets on in this hemisphere. High Chaparral has been a bit of a disappointment at stud so this horse could really give give him a bit of a shot in the arm.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on May 02, 2011, 09:59:02 AM
Donnelly don't forget to post any tips for the week, plenty of us watching this thread!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2011, 10:56:29 PM
Impressed by So You Think today. He was entitled to win as he liked but he's an outstanding specimen physically. He has the scope to jump a fence! Should be a good clash with Workforce in the Tatts Gold Cup in a few weeks.

Hard to pick out many bets on the Punchestown card tomorrow. Given the way the weather has been in Kildare today, it will be lively enough ground no matter how much they've watered.

The novice hurdle looks a dire renewal. I won't be having a bet in it but Hidden Universe looks to me like the most likely winner.

The champion chase on the other hand looks a class renewal with the first four from Cheltenham reopposing. Again it looks tricky enough to find a betting angle and I would be surprised if they finished in the same order that they did last month.

Thegreatjohnbrowne should be primed to run a big race in the novice chase on his first run for JP. He'll be fresher than most of these and three miles should be no problem on this ground (I think Noel swerved Fairyhouse because he thought the shorter trip there might catch him out on quicker ground). He's a great e/w bet around the 9/2 mark.

I've had a brief look at the two bumpers which look very competitive as you'd expect. I will be keeping an eye on Black Zorro in the Land Rover bumper with a view to Waaheb's chances on Wednesday. Mags Mullins' horse, The Westener Boy, stands out on pedigree coming from the family of Gaye Brief and JT McNamara has been booked for the ride. The final bumper looks an absolute minefield. Henderson has two in it and Mullins has a half-brother to Morning Supreme entered. Very interesting to note that Jim Bolger has a King's Theatre gelding running. It's years since he had runners under National Hunt rules so the market might tell a lot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: wherefromref on May 03, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
Any fancies for Punchestown today fellas?
Title: Ferragosto
Post by: drici on May 03, 2011, 01:01:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2011, 10:56:29 PM

Very interesting to note that Jim Bolger has a King's Theatre gelding running. It's years since he had runners under National Hunt rules so the market might tell a lot.


(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4a41e99a1b065b0fef87e51e980081bb7ccaabfd26c5e9977adc52d3617cc8bd6g.jpg)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 03, 2011, 03:04:24 PM
Quote from: drici on May 03, 2011, 01:01:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2011, 10:56:29 PM

Very interesting to note that Jim Bolger has a King's Theatre gelding running. It's years since he had runners under National Hunt rules so the market might tell a lot.


(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4a41e99a1b065b0fef87e51e980081bb7ccaabfd26c5e9977adc52d3617cc8bd6g.jpg)



Whatever became of that Mr AP O'Brien lad?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 03, 2011, 05:20:47 PM
Black zorro expected to win,from the owner apparently!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Chief Whip on May 03, 2011, 05:23:40 PM
Is it possible to look past sizing europe?

Captain Cee Bee might enjoy the quick ground enough to make a go of this
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AAAA on May 04, 2011, 03:14:44 PM
No fancies today lads? The whole of the board must be down at Punchestown! Never seen this thread as quiet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 04, 2011, 03:25:58 PM
3.40
He's Our Man @ 12's
Don't know the source so do with this as you wish...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AAAA on May 04, 2011, 03:40:37 PM
Ur tips are normally shocking candyman so think ill put a line through that one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AAAA on May 04, 2011, 03:48:56 PM
What a joke. Candyman can u please refrain from posting silly tips on this? Some people actually follow it u know.

Mods? Can something be done here?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 04, 2011, 03:49:03 PM
anyone have the result of that race, first 5?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on May 04, 2011, 04:54:34 PM
Askthemaster in the 6.40 E/W
You heard it hear first 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 04, 2011, 06:25:01 PM
I'm loving Lovethehigherlaw!! ;D
My persistence with WP Mullins paid off finally.
But its time to desert him. Osana in the next.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 04, 2011, 07:28:22 PM
Go back and check my posts Aidan  :D  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 04, 2011, 11:50:12 PM
This old thread has taken a bit of a turn!

Gutted Waaheb was just run out of it today. Hell of a horse for the future, both himself and Lovethehigherlaw. Cracking bumper horses compared to the shite we sent to Cheltenham this year. Great reception for Kauto Star from the Punchestown crowd which was great to hear but the old horse clearly isn't up to it anymore. Surely a deserved retirement awaits now?

All aboard the magic mare tomorrow. The Clane gang should be out in force to cheer her home.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on May 05, 2011, 10:38:33 AM
Quevega and Captain Chris double for my holiday money today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 05, 2011, 12:03:58 PM
I've opposed Quevega. Stan James offering 11/2 about Mourad with 1/4 for first three places. Hard to see him being out of the first 3 so that's where my money has gone.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on May 05, 2011, 12:23:06 PM
I got the two of them at evens first thing this morning.

Best prices on Oddschecker at the minute are Quevega 10/11 and Captain Chris 1/1.

Who's gonna beat Quevega?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 05, 2011, 12:31:45 PM
Voler La Vedette for me in the big race. Beauty of a horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 05, 2011, 12:58:38 PM
Quevega seems to be a bit of a mutant but i'll not be backing at a shade of odds on,probbably is the fair price but i don't have the money to back something at that price at the minute.Rigour back bob  will by my e/w punt for interest,5th in the world hurdle after running into a bit of trouble in the turn for home and ended up only about a length behind Mourad who's second favourite  :o I expected 14/1 or so but only 10/1 on paddy power but still well worth an e/w punt!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 05, 2011, 03:15:12 PM
The last few days must have really knocked lads confidence if ye're all taking on Quevega. I think she should be 2/5 against this lot. Sure she beat most of them pointless in last year's race off the back of a less impressive win at Cheltenham?

Anyways, I'm off to the track. Enjoy it lads!

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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 05, 2011, 03:34:06 PM
"Buying money" Ted Walsh calls taking odds-on. He was in great form yesterday. Natal was acting the maggot and unshipped Davy Russell on the way out. "A right b a s t a r d" was how Ted described him (the horse, not Davy). "Maybe the tongue tie is upsetting him", ventured Robert. "No - he's just a right pup", insisted Ted.

Davy was handed back his whip. "I know what he'd like to do with it", says Ted, "but you wouldn't get away with that nowadays. Ya can't even talk loud to a horse now or you might upset somebody".

This is the kind of plain talking we need in GAA sport, instead of all the meek "I suppose"-ing. I'd love to hear Canning saying "Galvin is acting the pup, pulling Mickey Burke's hair. He's a right b a s t a r d".
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Kerry Mike on May 05, 2011, 03:42:38 PM
Quote"I suppose"-ing. I'd love to hear Canning saying "Galvin is acting the pup, pulling Mickey Burke's hair. He's a right b a s t a r d".

given its a horsey thread he would only be checking he had all his own teeth!!  You would not blame anyone for excess use of the whip on Eoin Cadagan either, given the opportunity ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 05, 2011, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 05, 2011, 03:34:06 PM
"Buying money" Ted Walsh calls taking odds-on. He was in great form yesterday. Natal was acting the maggot and unshipped Davy Russell on the way out. "A right b a s t a r d" was how Ted described him (the horse, not Davy). "Maybe the tongue tie is upsetting him", ventured Robert. "No - he's just a right pup", insisted Ted.

Davy was handed back his whip. "I know what he'd like to do with it", says Ted, "but you wouldn't get away with that nowadays. Ya can't even talk loud to a horse now or you might upset somebody".

This is the kind of plain talking we need in GAA sport, instead of all the meek "I suppose"-ing. I'd love to hear Canning saying "Galvin is acting the pup, pulling Mickey Burke's hair. He's a right b a s t a r d".

:D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on May 05, 2011, 05:46:36 PM
Small scare at the last but she is a money maker.

Could have easily had the forecast too, £5.22 it paid.

Now for Captain Chris.

Results picking up a bit today bar the first.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on May 05, 2011, 09:11:18 PM
Which horse fell in the 6.05?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 05, 2011, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 05, 2011, 09:11:18 PM
Which horse fell in the 6.05?

Merrydown
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: whitegoodman on May 05, 2011, 10:11:14 PM
What would an e/w treble of Hurricane Fly, First Lieutenant and thegreatjohnbrowne be like tomorrow.  I know very little about the donkey market so all advise would be welcome.

Is thegreatjohnbrown likely to beat Wishful Thinking?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on May 05, 2011, 10:57:17 PM
You don't even wanna know what happened with my double earlier.

>:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Over The Last on May 05, 2011, 11:00:32 PM
Quevega - a money-making machine.
Oozes class and also showed a fair bit of grit up at the last after her mistake when Katie nearly upstaged bigger brother!

Missed out on Kerb Appeal after backing him on Easter Monday down at Fairyhouse, 14's a right price

Only fly in the ointment, excuse the pun for Hurricane Fly 2moro is the presence of Binocular for me. Never know what you are going to get from him and if he is tuned up for the race. At his best could give Hurricane a run for his money but still think it will take all the beating, 8/13 at present on P.P

Any fancies lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 06, 2011, 09:21:17 AM

Quote from: Don Johnson on May 05, 2011, 05:46:36 PM
Small scare at the last but she is a money maker.

Could have easily had the forecast too, £5.22 it paid.

Now for Captain Chris.

Results picking up a bit today bar the first.


And maybe even the tricast - Russell and Elliott called Carlo a great e/w chance which i took a pop at, but why oh why did I not do the tri >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on May 06, 2011, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 06, 2011, 09:21:17 AM

Quote from: Don Johnson on May 05, 2011, 05:46:36 PM
Small scare at the last but she is a money maker.

Could have easily had the forecast too, £5.22 it paid.

Now for Captain Chris.

Results picking up a bit today bar the first.


And maybe even the tricast - Russell and Elliott called Carlo a great e/w chance which i took a pop at, but why oh why did I not do the tri >:( >:( >:(

There was no tricast in that race - the race must be a handicap with 8 or more declared runners.

Only time that wasn't the case was at this year's Cheltenham Festival and I've no idea why.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 06, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Hurricane Fly is going to laugh at that overrated yak Binocular.

Also, 2/1 First Lieutenant against So Young? Did my eyes deceive me at Cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on May 06, 2011, 04:16:10 PM
Blazing Tempo 4-55 punchestown
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 06, 2011, 04:25:38 PM
anyone the result? 4:15
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on May 06, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 06, 2011, 04:25:38 PM
anyone the result? 4:15

Tony Soprano will want his cut.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on May 06, 2011, 04:57:41 PM
the greatjohnbrowne is a non runner!  :-[

Any reason - he was in me lucky 15 - DRAT THAT!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on May 06, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
7.45  Gone to lunch

Worth an e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: King Kenny on May 06, 2011, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on May 06, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
7.45  Gone to lunch

Worth an e/w

Just your fancy oakleafer,  or did you get word?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on May 06, 2011, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 06, 2011, 05:51:36 PM
Hurricane is unreal!
A savage animal altogether.  If he stays sound there are bound to be a few Champion Hurdles in him. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on May 06, 2011, 07:20:30 PM
Was informed he wouldn't be out of top 3 :) But first time info from this source
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on May 07, 2011, 10:30:14 AM
2.30 Sizing Austraila
3.10 Uncle Tom Cobbley
3.45 Veiled
5.35 Jim will fix it e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 07, 2011, 10:54:23 AM
First Lieutenant let me down for a decent treble last night after S.N.A and the Hurricane won,didn't get to see the race did he run his race at all?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 07, 2011, 11:13:03 AM
Nag called Ballesteros out at Haydock today I think, worth a sentimental 5er?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on May 07, 2011, 12:36:39 PM
Lurgan stuffed yesterday.......what chance Dungannon today 5.10 Ascot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 07, 2011, 02:15:02 PM
Very interesting jockey booking in the charity race - Seámus 'Sos' Dowling riding for Willie McCreery.

Surely a tip in itself!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: King Kenny on May 07, 2011, 05:23:30 PM
Cmon DH,  for all us uneducated punters,  does the smiley face mean "back the horse" ?
Title: Muinín
Post by: drici on May 07, 2011, 07:51:35 PM
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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 07, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
Just laid a few dollars on Mucho Macho Man for the Kentucky derby.  Gets underway in about 2 1/2 hours.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on May 07, 2011, 11:28:36 PM
I've backed two - Pants on Fire and Master of Hounds.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 08, 2011, 12:08:48 AM
Animal Kingdom the winner.  20/1 nicely.  Mucho Macho Man third.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 08, 2011, 12:49:19 PM
Fallon on board Recital in the Derrinstown today.

He'll surely be expected to ride Native Khan at Epsom though and Moore will be on Carlton House. Interesting to see how Coolmore arrange their jockeys in the coming weeks. I think they made a major error in not trying to entice Dickie Hughes home.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 08, 2011, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 08, 2011, 12:08:48 AM
Animal Kingdom the winner.  20/1 nicely.  Mucho Macho Man third.

Tipped up by Tom Segal yesterday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 08, 2011, 08:02:07 PM
I certainly wouldn't like to be riding Recital coming down that hill at Epsom. The Derby fav looks sure to come from the Dante now.

Fabre's colt looked a nice prospect in France yesterday but will he wait for Chantilly and the Curragh?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 10, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 02, 2011, 06:09:21 PM
Lytham great EW shout @ 9/2 in 8.10 at Kempton
Anyone else get this tonight?
Won at 14/1   8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 12, 2011, 01:32:22 PM
Backing Seville at York today and also backed him for the English Derby.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on May 12, 2011, 01:35:34 PM

Fallon said yesterday on channel four that he was coolmores best chance this year for the derby.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
Might just be me, but I have it in my head that Seville will end up as more of a Leger horse.

I'm still hoping that Pour Moi will take his chance. Looks a very open Epsom Derby this year with Godolphin predictably after making a pigs ear of both Casamento and Dubai Prince's winter preparations. We should know more in about a half an hour.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 12, 2011, 02:30:59 PM
Money coming for Pintura @ 3pm all morning. Hope Aiden Forken and Groucho go large ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2011, 02:40:24 PM
Farcical race. They only hacked for the first six furlongs.

Seville travelled like the best horse in the race but he clearly lacks gears. A stronger pace at Epsom will suit but I'd be surprised if there isn't two or three colts around that will do him for boot. I guess it increases the chances of Pour Moi running.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on May 12, 2011, 02:42:51 PM
Justonefortheroad already done 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 12, 2011, 03:09:13 PM
Think we both need the road after that... Although I did place better!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on May 12, 2011, 08:45:26 PM
Seville and Recital both have their quirks - very fast the two of them but between awkward head carriages and suspect resolution, I'd question if their hearts are all in it. It'll take a bit of Aidan magic followed by a Fallon drive or Soumillion's delicate touch to get either to win at Epsom. My guess is that Roderic O'Connor could still run in the Derby, although the Irish Guineas is also in the mix. His performances last season marked him as more of a stayer as opposed to a miler.

Carlton House clearly looks very smart and may end up as more of a ten furlong horse, worthy Derby favourite tonight however. I wonder if Henry Cecil will re-think his strategy with Frankel, given World Domination's run today. There's nothing to gain by running in the James Palace, yet everything to lose, yet there's everything to gain by winning a Derby.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on May 12, 2011, 11:05:29 PM
Tell me this folks and in particular DH, would you guys prefer the winter racing with the jumps than the flat summer racing and would it be easier to pick winners from jumps than the sprints (even though you'd think with jumps there is more at risk with falls).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2011, 11:52:40 PM
Having tried (and failed miserably!) to be an amateur jumps jockey, I have to say my preference is for the National Hunt.

I personally find punting on the winter game is easier but there'll be many better judges than me who will disagree. Although the 8+ obstacles that a horse has to jump in a NH race might make it somewhat harder to predict, there are many if not more variables on the flat. Draw biases at certain tracks are a major variable and I think issues like pace and ground have more of an impact on the flat. I also think jockeyship is more important on the flat. NH race are generally run over longer distances, on bigger tracks, and have less runners so the fields tend to become more strung out. It is much easier for a horse (well a jockey...) to encounter traffic problems on the flat as a result.

You also have to factor in the horses themselves. Geldings running over jumps tend to be older and more relaxed than colts running on the flat, who naturally enough have other things on their minds! They are less highly strung and are much more likely to hold their form for longer.

I have worked for a handful of flat yards so I do have an interest in it (particularly the bloodstock side of it) but there's no contest between Punchestown in the middle of winter and the Curragh in high summer, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on May 13, 2011, 10:19:53 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2011, 11:52:40 PM
Having tried (and failed miserably!) to be an amateur jumps jockey, I have to say my preference is for the National Hunt.

I personally find punting on the winter game is easier but there'll be many better judges than me who will disagree. Although the 8+ obstacles that a horse has to jump in a NH race might make it somewhat harder to predict, there are many if not more variables on the flat. Draw biases at certain tracks are a major variable and I think issues like pace and ground have more of an impact on the flat. I also think jockeyship is more important on the flat. NH race are generally run over longer distances, on bigger tracks, and have less runners so the fields tend to become more strung out. It is much easier for a horse (well a jockey...) to encounter traffic problems on the flat as a result.

You also have to factor in the horses themselves. Geldings running over jumps tend to be older and more relaxed than colts running on the flat, who naturally enough have other things on their minds! They are less highly strung and are much more likely to hold their form for longer.

I have worked for a handful of flat yards so I do have an interest in it (particularly the bloodstock side of it) but there's no contest between Punchestown in the middle of winter and the Curragh in high summer, as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly no contest in my mind.
I get more of a buzz watching NH or going to winter weekend meetings than anything the flat has to offer.
I enjoy both codes but for sheer excitement jumps does it for me.
however on the punting side of things i have to admit i seem to do better punting on flat racing during the summer than the jumps.Not that im any punting genius far from it but i would say i generally have more winners over the summer from flat racing than over the winter from jumps.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 118cmal on May 13, 2011, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2011, 11:52:40 PM
Having tried (and failed miserably!) to be an amateur jumps jockey, I have to say my preference is for the National Hunt.

I personally find punting on the winter game is easier but there'll be many better judges than me who will disagree. Although the 8+ obstacles that a horse has to jump in a NH race might make it somewhat harder to predict, there are many if not more variables on the flat. Draw biases at certain tracks are a major variable and I think issues like pace and ground have more of an impact on the flat. I also think jockeyship is more important on the flat. NH race are generally run over longer distances, on bigger tracks, and have less runners so the fields tend to become more strung out. It is much easier for a horse (well a jockey...) to encounter traffic problems on the flat as a result.

You also have to factor in the horses themselves. Geldings running over jumps tend to be older and more relaxed than colts running on the flat, who naturally enough have other things on their minds! They are less highly strung and are much more likely to hold their form for longer.

I have worked for a handful of flat yards so I do have an interest in it (particularly the bloodstock side of it) but there's no contest between Punchestown in the middle of winter and the Curragh in high summer, as far as I'm concerned.

DH, im intrigued by this.  What I know about horse racing could be written on the back of a postage stamp, but surely it takes more 'jockeyship' to guide a horse over fences than in the flat?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 13, 2011, 11:59:13 AM
Alright DH... A few fancies 2day to kick off the weekend :-D ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 13, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
Was told a few weeks back to keep an eye out for geraldines Lass on the flat,she's down to run in Dundalk 8.30,first time in a Handicap and i'd say will get backed!
Worth small e/w bet! The same lad told me to look out for andalucia lady a while back and it won at 14/1 a week or 2 afterwards and this is the same stable training this horse.....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 13, 2011, 12:38:43 PM
Got word for Bubbly Ballerina in the 1st @ York. Fav is 7/4 on but u never know ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 13, 2011, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: Candyman on May 13, 2011, 12:38:43 PM
Got word for Bubbly Ballerina in the 1st @ York. Fav is 7/4 on but u never know ;-)

You sure it's at York?Can't see it anywhere!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 13, 2011, 01:07:28 PM
1.30 Race,
Number 1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 13, 2011, 01:09:20 PM
Alright i cant see miss work of art getting beat!Ill sit it out
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 13, 2011, 01:15:52 PM
I'd the fav done in an accum before I got word for the other anyway :-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 13, 2011, 01:38:54 PM
3rd at 9-1. Ran a great race. Got 11s. Fair play Candyman.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 13, 2011, 01:52:25 PM
Took 14's myself so happy enough... Now for Geraldines lass 2nite
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 13, 2011, 02:03:28 PM
Great e/w bet Candyman,pity i didn't listen
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 13, 2011, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on May 13, 2011, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 12, 2011, 11:52:40 PM
Having tried (and failed miserably!) to be an amateur jumps jockey, I have to say my preference is for the National Hunt.

I personally find punting on the winter game is easier but there'll be many better judges than me who will disagree. Although the 8+ obstacles that a horse has to jump in a NH race might make it somewhat harder to predict, there are many if not more variables on the flat. Draw biases at certain tracks are a major variable and I think issues like pace and ground have more of an impact on the flat. I also think jockeyship is more important on the flat. NH race are generally run over longer distances, on bigger tracks, and have less runners so the fields tend to become more strung out. It is much easier for a horse (well a jockey...) to encounter traffic problems on the flat as a result.

You also have to factor in the horses themselves. Geldings running over jumps tend to be older and more relaxed than colts running on the flat, who naturally enough have other things on their minds! They are less highly strung and are much more likely to hold their form for longer.

I have worked for a handful of flat yards so I do have an interest in it (particularly the bloodstock side of it) but there's no contest between Punchestown in the middle of winter and the Curragh in high summer, as far as I'm concerned.

DH, im intrigued by this.  What I know about horse racing could be written on the back of a postage stamp, but surely it takes more 'jockeyship' to guide a horse over fences than in the flat?

I don't think it does to be honest. As long as a horse is properly schooled, any half-decent jockey should get it jumping. People read to much into a jockey 'seeing a stride'. If the horse knows his job, as the majority of them do, than he'll jump out of most riders' hands. The top jockeys will still get a similar percentage of fallers (1 in 10 I think) than the journeymen.

I think the intricacies of most flat tracks put more of an emphasis on jockeyship than the big galloping NH tracks like Punchestown and Navan. You only need to look at Chester last week to see how difficult some of those flat tracks are to ride. You'll still find lads getting into traffic problems at big wide open tracks like Newmarket, York and the Curragh. Leopardstown can be a nightmare these days on the flat since they did away with the false running rail in the straight (due to bookmaker pressure I believe). You don't get trouble in running as much in National Hunt because they are going a longer distance and usually get more strung out. I definitely think both the ground and the pace (and consequently tactics) have more of a bearing on the flat - look at how pacemakers run in all the top flat races, it's a rare to see pacemakers over obstacles.

There's also a huge difference in riding styles over jumps. Some lads can look desperately agricultural in the saddle yet they are still successful jockeys. Patrick Mullins for instance, has been Champion Amateur for a number of years now. He can look very akward in the plate but he's clearly an effective rider. Even someone like Barry Geraghty is far from what you'd call stylish, but he's an excellent tactician, has a good clock in his head and he is as strong as there is in a driving finish. You can count on one hand the jockeys on the flat that aren't easy on the eye but are successful nonetheless - Richard Hills, Fallon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 13, 2011, 06:54:48 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 13, 2011, 06:03:14 PMLeopardstown can be a nightmare these days on the flat since they did away with the false running rail in the straight (due to bookmaker pressure I believe).

What's the story there, DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 13, 2011, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 13, 2011, 06:54:48 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 13, 2011, 06:03:14 PMLeopardstown can be a nightmare these days on the flat since they did away with the false running rail in the straight (due to bookmaker pressure I believe).

What's the story there, DH?

There was a false rail about a furlong out on the flat track at Leopardstown for a few years. It was hugely beneficial in big field handicaps and maidens where a lad who was in trouble could nip up the inside if short of room. I've heard that the bookies kicked up a bit of a stink and the course relented and got rid of it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Over The Last on May 14, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
McCoy really earned his corn on jaunty Journey last night @ Aintree 8.10

Did anyone else see this ride?

Outstanding, the champion never knows when he is beaten
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 14, 2011, 11:16:32 AM
I was on the other, any other Jockey wouldn't have got the winner home!! Ragin...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on May 14, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
Guts for garters 8:20 Kilbeggan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on May 14, 2011, 08:27:11 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on May 14, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
Guts for garters 8:20 Kilbeggan

nice one winsamsoon - that price came in awful quick but got him at 10/3!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on May 14, 2011, 08:32:46 PM
got him earlier at 6/1 knew there would be late moves for it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 16, 2011, 02:14:30 PM
Divine rhapsody who ran credibly in the Champion bumper is down to run in a maiden hurdle at Kilarney tonight?Surely has a big chance!?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 16, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 16, 2011, 02:14:30 PM
Divine rhapsody who ran credibly in the Champion bumper is down to run in a maiden hurdle at Kilarney tonight?Surely has a big chance!?

Looks a nice horse but the trainer couldn't train ivy up a wall!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 17, 2011, 07:56:15 PM
Word for Run for Sol 8.50 Killarney. Been backed all day. Charles Byrnes trains. :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on May 17, 2011, 09:38:34 PM
Was waiting on it for a nice wee treble!!! Fecker
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: whitegoodman on May 19, 2011, 07:12:37 PM
Anybody any opinion on the 1000 guineas on sunday, is Emiyna a likely candidate?!?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 19, 2011, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 19, 2011, 07:12:37 PM
Anybody any opinion on the 1000 guineas on sunday, is Emiyna a likely candidate?!?

Together- IMO will take a lot of beating. Was told to back it today. Obviously would like to hear the experts views like DH and Sea the Stars.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 19, 2011, 09:54:28 PM
Come on Dh i'm waiting for you to pull a nice 12/1 or so shot out for us to win the guineas Saturday! No pressure :P  !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 21, 2011, 02:38:43 PM
Both Guineas look like glorified Group 3s. Very disappointing fields. I'll be keeping my money in my pocket anyway. If you are having a bet, ignore the Newmarket form - particularly the 2000 Guineas. There was no second in that race. I'd love to see Dunboyne Express win for Kevin Prendergast. Wouldn't be keen on either Dubawi Gold or Roderic O'Connor.

I'm a big fan of Lolly For Dolly but she looks a skimpy enough price. If she does win it will shorten up the price on John Oxx's filly tomorrow in the 1000. Real pity that Workforce has ducked a clash with So You Think in the Tatts Gold Cup. That would have been a hell of a race. As likeable as Famous Name is, on the book he shouldn't get near the Aussie import.

Sole Power looks a decent e/w bet across at Haydock. Ran a cracker at Newmarket after disappointing in Dubai and there are enough doubts about the Hungarian horse and Kingsgate Native.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 21, 2011, 03:08:35 PM
8s will have to do you BB. Great to see a proper Irish trained sprinter because we haven't have one for a long while.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 21, 2011, 03:53:36 PM
Good man Dh i only put a small few quid on e/w because i had already backed prohibit e/w,1st and a 3rd in the same race, if i got that every day i backed i'd be a rich man!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 22, 2011, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: boojangles on May 19, 2011, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 19, 2011, 07:12:37 PM
Anybody any opinion on the 1000 guineas on sunday, is Emiyna a likely candidate?!?

Together- IMO will take a lot of beating. Was told to back it today. Obviously would like to hear the experts views like DH and Sea the Stars.


16:15 Curragh
1    11. Misty For Me (15) 5/1 3 9 - 0 J A Heffernan
A P O'Brien
 
2  ¾  14. Together (2) 4/1 Fav 3 9 - 0 R L Moore
A P O'Brien
 
Stung, along with plenty others.  ::)

Moral of the story is.........
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on May 23, 2011, 03:00:20 PM
Tear Drops 5.50 Sligo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 23, 2011, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on May 23, 2011, 03:00:20 PM
Tear Drops 5.50 Sligo

How confident are we?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on May 23, 2011, 05:27:36 PM
It has a good chance~ if that helps

Prob best to do it e/w around 7s atm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 23, 2011, 05:33:11 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on May 23, 2011, 05:27:36 PM
It has a good chance~ if that helps

Prob best to do it e/w around 7s atm

Yeah sound job ill keep the bet to a few quid e/w,was gonna increase it if he had been set up for today and expected to hose up!Cheers hopefully comes in for us!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on May 23, 2011, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 23, 2011, 05:33:11 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on May 23, 2011, 05:27:36 PM
It has a good chance~ if that helps

Prob best to do it e/w around 7s atm

Yeah sound job ill keep the bet to a few quid e/w,was gonna increase it if he had been set up for today and expected to hose up!Cheers hopefully comes in for us!

I have it in a treble so i hope it comes in for you and me!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on May 24, 2011, 09:53:13 PM
Hopefully shes makes a full recovery, it was a horrible fall.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/miss-isabel-tompsett-leopold-david-thompson-peter-bowen-isabel-tompsett-remains-in-serious-condition-following-fall/860931/related/

ISABEL TOMPSETT remains in a serious condition following a terrible fall at Fakenham on Sunday that left her unconscious and unable to breathe.

Tompsett was initially taken to Norfolk and Norwich Hospital, but was on Sunday night transferred to a neurology ward at Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge where she is on a life-support machine.

Lisa Hancock, chief executive of the Injured Jockeys Fund said on Monday afternoon: "I spentsome time with Isabel's family in Addenbrooke's Hospital today and Isabel's condition is serious but stable. She remains unconscious and under sedation and, I believe, they hope to carry out further tests and x-rays later today.

"Her family travelled from various parts of Wales to Addenbrooke's late last night and it is obviously an extremely difficult time for them. We will continue to offer them as much support as we can and they, in turn, have been overwhelmed at the numerous messages they have received already.

"I understand that the treatment received at Fakenham Racecourse and the Norfolk & Norwich Hospital was quite excellent and it was fantastic that Peter Bowen was able to stay with Isabel until she was moved to Addenbrooke's and her family arrived.

"It is obviously going to be a long haul but we hope we might have some news in the next 24 hours."

Tompsett, 28, a highly regarded equine vetand crowned champion female amateur over jumps in the 2009-10 season, was thrown to the ground by hurdler Leopold in the early stages of a 2m4f handicap.

The ten-year-old, trained by David Thompson, then rolled on her and left her with injuries that medics began treating at the scene of the incident.

Numerous racing personalities, including jumps champions Tony McCoy and Paul Nicholls, have sent their best wishes to Tompsett through social network sites since Sunday's tragic incident.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on May 25, 2011, 10:48:21 AM
4.30 Newton Abbot. Won More Night receives just over 2 stone from the odds on favourite today. Course and distance winner last time out winning by over 8l. Haven't looked at it to deeply but at 3/1, surely worth a small punt despite Trooper Clarences obvious credentials.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 25, 2011, 06:01:52 PM
Last race at Punchestown Ri na Domhnaigh, a Jim Bolger horse with Mike Fogarty doing the steering and there's a few pound for it,6/4 at the minute from 5/2 hopefully go to 7/4 before the off!I'm having a go at it anyway in a single and in a trixie with Aran Concerto and Lilys angel!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on May 25, 2011, 07:55:38 PM
 Ri na Domhnaigh is well fancied meant 2 be better than morning ireland and was looking  250k if ya want 2 buy it  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on May 25, 2011, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: attheraces on May 25, 2011, 10:48:21 AM
4.30 Newton Abbot. Won More Night receives just over 2 stone from the odds on favourite today. Course and distance winner last time out winning by over 8l. Haven't looked at it to deeply but at 3/1, surely worth a small punt despite Trooper Clarences obvious credentials.

What would a reverse forecast have paid on that?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on May 25, 2011, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on May 25, 2011, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: attheraces on May 25, 2011, 10:48:21 AM
4.30 Newton Abbot. Won More Night receives just over 2 stone from the odds on favourite today. Course and distance winner last time out winning by over 8l. Haven't looked at it to deeply but at 3/1, surely worth a small punt despite Trooper Clarences obvious credentials.

What would a reverse forecast have paid on that?


Tote Exacta - £4.80 CSF - £5.64
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 25, 2011, 10:47:21 PM
Awh feck this gambling on weekday racing,lost my arse today!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on May 26, 2011, 09:50:32 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on May 25, 2011, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on May 25, 2011, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: attheraces on May 25, 2011, 10:48:21 AM
4.30 Newton Abbot. Won More Night receives just over 2 stone from the odds on favourite today. Course and distance winner last time out winning by over 8l. Haven't looked at it to deeply but at 3/1, surely worth a small punt despite Trooper Clarences obvious credentials.

What would a reverse forecast have paid on that?


Tote Exacta - £4.80 CSF - £5.64

I'm showing my ignorance here but can you give me a worked example to explain what the above means!  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on May 26, 2011, 10:37:29 AM
They are dividends.

So if you had £1 on you get £1 multiplied by the divided.

£1 x £5.64 = £5.64.

£5 would get you (£5 x £5.64) £28.20.

The CSF is what you get if you back a forecast in a normal bookies. The exacta is the Tote's version of the forecast that you can do online with them or in bookies on a wee card that have the Tote betting terminals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on May 26, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on May 26, 2011, 10:37:29 AM
They are dividends.

So if you had £1 on you get £1 multiplied by the divided.

£1 x £5.64 = £5.64.

£5 would get you (£5 x £5.64) £28.20.

The CSF is what you get if you back a forecast in a normal bookies. The exacta is the Tote's version of the forecast that you can do online with them or in bookies on a wee card that have the Tote betting terminals.

Don the expert...do u work in a bookies?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on May 26, 2011, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on May 26, 2011, 10:37:29 AM
They are dividends.

So if you had £1 on you get £1 multiplied by the divided.

£1 x £5.64 = £5.64.

£5 would get you (£5 x £5.64) £28.20.

The CSF is what you get if you back a forecast in a normal bookies. The exacta is the Tote's version of the forecast that you can do online with them or in bookies on a wee card that have the Tote betting terminals.

so if i did a £5 reverse forecast it would cost me £10 with a return of £28.20??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on May 26, 2011, 03:15:03 PM
Yeah because when backing A and B a £5 RFC has £5 on A to beat B and £5 on B to beat A.

Though if you have a short priced favourite like Trooper Clarence in this case, a RFC might not be the best option as if the short favourite beats the second favourite then the dividend will be a lot less than the other way round.

Have seen people doing reverse forecasts with short priced favourites and when the favourite wins the forecast doesn't even pay enough to get their fulll stake back.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 27, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 13, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
Was told a few weeks back to keep an eye out for geraldines Lass on the flat,she's down to run in Dundalk 8.30,first time in a Handicap and i'd say will get backed!
Worth small e/w bet! The same lad told me to look out for andalucia lady a while back and it won at 14/1 a week or 2 afterwards and this is the same stable training this horse.....

Down to run in Navan 2mrw.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 28, 2011, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: boojangles on May 27, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 13, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
Was told a few weeks back to keep an eye out for geraldines Lass on the flat,she's down to run in Dundalk 8.30,first time in a Handicap and i'd say will get backed!
Worth small e/w bet! The same lad told me to look out for andalucia lady a while back and it won at 14/1 a week or 2 afterwards and this is the same stable training this horse.....

Down to run in Navan 2mrw.

Was backed off the boards into favourite from about 12's that day and got placed,hard to know its intentions after that,i'd say the market could tell the tale!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 28, 2011, 10:52:01 AM
Yeah Geraldines lass is on the job today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 28, 2011, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 28, 2011, 10:52:01 AM
Yeah Geraldines lass is on the job today!

Get up!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 28, 2011, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: boojangles on May 28, 2011, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 28, 2011, 10:52:01 AM
Yeah Geraldines lass is on the job today!

Get up!!!

Couldn' believe it drifted out to 4's!There must've been a lot of money on other horses because there was a good few pound on him/her!Anyway a 4/1 winner instead of a 5/2 winner will set me up lovely for the weekend!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 29, 2011, 03:51:49 PM
Thousand Stars second again in the Prix Barka at Auteuil
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 29, 2011, 04:02:59 PM
Pleasing reappearance from Rite Of Passage. I'll happily have a few quid on e/w for the Ascot Gold Cup after that. A further six furlongs will see him comfortably turn that form around. The English stayers are a middling bunch and I don't think the French have anything.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on May 29, 2011, 04:39:32 PM
focal 4 50 nottingham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 29, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
Anyone know if Seville's a cert to run in the Derby yet and will Soumillon be available to ride if he is?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 30, 2011, 03:05:42 PM
The betting suggests he'll take his chance. Don't see any reason why Soumillon won't be on him. Fallon will ride Recital. For all that Soumillon is a fine rider, he's had a few shockers around Epsom down the years.

It wouldn't surprise me if Seville turned form around with Carlton House. The Dante was an absolute joke of a race. He strikes me as a stayer though. I think he'll end up being a Leger horse. I've backed Fabre's horse but the price has collapsed now. 6/4 the fav is a farcical price. The value probably lies with Recital now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on May 30, 2011, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 29, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
Anyone know if Seville's a cert to run in the Derby yet and will Soumillon be available to ride if he is?

Rags aside, the runners and riders for Saturday look something like:

Carlton House (Ryan Moore)
Pour Moi (Mikael Barzalona)
Recital (Keiren Fallon)
Seville (Christophe Soumillion)
Native Kahn (Johnny Murtagh)
Vadamar (Christophe Lemaire)
Treasure Beach (Colm O'Donoghue)
Ocean War (Frankie Dettori)
Memphis Tennessee (Joseph O'Brien)
Masked Marvel (William Buick)

Looks a good race, with the best of European jockeyship on offer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 31, 2011, 12:47:21 AM
Good few pound each way on seville at 8's,when i was watching that last race with Carlton house at the time i was thinking surely the bookies will cop how poorly run a race it was and how easy a time of it Soumillon gave the horse in the last few furlongs,thankfully the bookies love the queen and this price is available!Very weary of this French horse especially when Dh has backed it.

Delighted Soumillon's on board-every single time i've backed him he's given my horse a peach of a ride!Just my lucky jockey i suppose,along with Eddie Ahern!Hopefully he has the same effect this weekend  :)

Hope that isn't the kiss of death for him now  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 31, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
Neville Ring had 5/7 at Ballinrobe last night
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 31, 2011, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: beer baron on May 31, 2011, 12:47:21 AM
Good few pound each way on seville at 8's,when i was watching that last race with Carlton house at the time i was thinking surely the bookies will cop how poorly run a race it was and how easy a time of it Soumillon gave the horse in the last few furlongs,thankfully the bookies love the queen and this price is available!Very weary of this French horse especially when Dh has backed it.

Delighted Soumillon's on board-every single time i've backed him he's given my horse a peach of a ride!Just my lucky jockey i suppose,along with Eddie Ahern!Hopefully he has the same effect this weekend  :)

Hope that isn't the kiss of death for him now  ::)

Is Soumillion definitely going to ride Seville ye? I backed Sevile for the Derby before the Dante and I do agree that he definitely didn't go too hard on him in that race. Heres hoping for a place anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 31, 2011, 11:41:55 AM
Yeah just found this on Sportinglife. http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/05/30/RACING_Derby_Nightlead.html&BID=464
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 31, 2011, 12:45:43 PM
Murtagh is supposedly going to get the spare on Native Khan. Pity for connections that Peslier has to stay at Longchamp. Best jock on the flat IMHO.

Ballydoyle's riding arrangements for the Oaks should be interesting. Moore is riding St Nick in the Coronation Cup but he'll be on Stoute's filly in the Oaks. Fallon is going to have a great chance of landing a classic this weekend if he's on both Wonder Of Wonders and Recital.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 01, 2011, 01:27:25 PM
Geraldines lass fancied to win again at Tipp 6.00
Title: A Sé
Post by: drici on June 01, 2011, 06:05:44 PM
Yahoo.
YeeHa!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: whitegoodman on June 01, 2011, 06:08:28 PM
Good man Beers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 01, 2011, 07:04:35 PM
Happy days,gamblings so much more fun when you're winning  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 01, 2011, 07:46:49 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 01, 2011, 07:04:35 PM
Happy days,gamblings so much more fun when you're winning  :D

Fair play chief!! If I had a day like that every week I'd be happy.
Title: Toradh
Post by: drici on June 02, 2011, 07:55:34 AM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/daac18fe3485b189d76a3a0bcbb10526158fd5229f7fb6ade7a1189685439b4c6g.jpg)
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4cec410f6b55c13d65e40fbf975a10652ec6d1b498c31abba63fe73d47e649306g.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 03, 2011, 11:14:13 AM
Would be interested in hearing Donnelly's thoughts (or anyone else for that matter) on SNA today if your about? Good thing?

Whats the feelings on the board now about the Derby?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 03, 2011, 12:51:17 PM
I think St Nick will win. Price is a bit skimpy though.

Wonder Of Wonders at 4s is a solid e/w bet to nothing in the Oaks. I wouldn't rule out Jessie Harrington's filly either who actually finished ahead of WOW at Leopardstown in April.

I'd layed the fav for the Derby before the news of his injury. Pour Moi was a silly price a few weeks back before Fabre came out and said that he was up there with the best he's ever brought to England. He's found his right price in the market now. Of the Ballydoyle pair - Seville won't have the gears IMO but he may reverse the Dante form considering the crawl they went at York. Recital looked a bit difficult in the Derrinstown but I expect Fallon will ride him differently now. I'd be surprised if he's out of the three and it would be good to see him win just to rub it into Native Khan's connections given their ridiculous carry on trying to stop Fallon riding the colt.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 03, 2011, 02:56:43 PM
Thought St Nick was beaten all ends up there!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 03, 2011, 03:05:32 PM
Hard to know where they'll go with him now. He looks too slow for 10f and I'm not sure he'll beat Workforce or the big Aussie horse over 12f. Did that well enough though. He didn't really handle the camber up the straight and they didn't exactly go a blistering gallop.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 03, 2011, 03:05:49 PM
Geraldines Lass' stablemate out tonight @ 8.10? Any word about it? (BB?)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 03, 2011, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 03, 2011, 03:05:49 PM
Geraldines Lass' stablemate out tonight @ 8.10? Any word about it? (BB?)

Heard nothing,that's not to say it wont win though!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 03, 2011, 09:38:24 PM
Just after coming in from football training and looking at my texts- 'no.8 in the 8.10 is a great e/w bet'-guess what went and won at 16/1  ::)

Disaster!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 03, 2011, 10:24:31 PM
BB = Big Bollocks!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 03, 2011, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 03, 2011, 10:24:31 PM
BB = Big Bollocks!! ;-)

Agreed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2011, 12:35:20 AM
Just out of interest BB, who is your source in Geraldine's Lass' yard? (PM me if necessary)

I'm only interested because she's trained by the Lilywhite legend big Willie McCreery!

(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF2/002177.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 04, 2011, 12:49:59 AM
DH... Thoughts on 2moro?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2011, 12:57:03 AM
Allez les bleu!

(http://media.paris-turf.com/image/92/7/pourmoi.17927.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 04, 2011, 02:37:48 AM
As Gaeilge?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 04, 2011, 02:53:27 AM
Correct me if I am wrong DH, but I am gonna tell Kev, these are not the racing colours of Her Majesty!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 04, 2011, 08:56:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2011, 12:35:20 AM
Just out of interest BB, who is your source in Geraldine's Lass' yard? (PM me if necessary)

I'm only interested because she's trained by the Lilywhite legend big Willie McCreery!

(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF2/002177.jpg)

I only get it 2nd hand if i'm honest,my uncle knows a few down there,he gives me the nod when he gets it and leaves me to let the rest of the town know,so i can take the blame if they lose  :D Think 1 of the lads is a Magee if that's any use to you,was down here on the sauce a few times!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 04, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
Fallon just banned I see. Who will ride Reciteal now?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 04, 2011, 10:20:40 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on June 04, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
Fallon just banned I see. Who will ride Reciteal now?

I think i heard Smullen might be taking over but not certain!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 04, 2011, 02:11:55 PM
F.A.O Sammy:
Ocean War? ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2011, 04:06:27 PM
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on June 04, 2011, 04:14:30 PM
Winning jockey was lucky at the finish there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2011, 04:17:28 PM
No luck about it. Just Gallic flair, class and arrogance!

Moore took it with typical good grace  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 04, 2011, 04:19:18 PM
That was brillant, lizzzys face is like thunder :D

How did he win it though..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2011, 04:27:19 PM
The winner must be a proper colt to win it being held up stone last. Joseph O'Brien dictated terms with O'Donoghue up front and once they kicked turning in nothing else really got into the race apart from the royal horse. I'd question the value of the form given that Treasure Beach couldn't win a nursery at Listowel last September. Pour Moi is quite smart all the same to do what he did.

Hopefully he'll come over to the Curragh now. Every chance given the Coolmore connections.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: whitegoodman on June 04, 2011, 04:34:35 PM
What a race!!

Have to admit was having doubts about u for long stages of that race DH but as usual u come up with the goods.

Thats gonna take me out the night, Cheers and keep them coming
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on June 04, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
Nice one DH 5/1 plus PP winning distance bonus.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 04, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 04, 2011, 04:06:27 PM
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Ya wee dancer DH!! Flat racing or NH, it doesn't seem to matter to ya! Got it at 11/2 so covered my ante-post bet on Seville.
I believe they were doing some giving out on BBC??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 05, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
Is their any good fella on that could maybe pick me out a 3 or 4 for tomorrow?? Cant same to get any of my doubles or trebles up lately and im getting sick of attempting

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 05, 2011, 10:53:03 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 05, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
Is their any good fella on that could maybe pick me out a 3 or 4 for tomorrow?? Cant same to get any of my doubles or trebles up lately and im getting sick of attempting

:D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 05, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2011, 10:53:03 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 05, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
Is their any good fella on that could maybe pick me out a 3 or 4 for tomorrow?? Cant same to get any of my doubles or trebles up lately and im getting sick of attempting

:D :D :D

Or maybe i should quit??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 06, 2011, 09:59:58 AM
I was laughing at you looking 3 or 4 winners for today...feck me just give me one and that'll do me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 06, 2011, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 06, 2011, 09:59:58 AM
I was laughing at you looking 3 or 4 winners for today...feck me just give me one and that'll do me

Have a little go on radiator Rooney at 2.30 Fontwell,i think today could be his day (only a fancy),running well in defeat the last few times!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on June 06, 2011, 11:30:41 AM
I see Betfred are refusing to cough for the guts of a million to Barney Curley for the stroke he pulled last year. They really are a joke. Happy to take the mugs money but whenever they get their pants pulled down they whinge like a stuck pig.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 06, 2011, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 06, 2011, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 06, 2011, 09:59:58 AM
I was laughing at you looking 3 or 4 winners for today...feck me just give me one and that'll do me

Have a little go on radiator Rooney at 2.30 Fontwell,i think today could be his day (only a fancy),running well in defeat the last few times!

::) lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 06, 2011, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on June 06, 2011, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 06, 2011, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 06, 2011, 09:59:58 AM
I was laughing at you looking 3 or 4 winners for today...feck me just give me one and that'll do me

Have a little go on radiator Rooney at 2.30 Fontwell,i think today could be his day (only a fancy),running well in defeat the last few times!

Desperate run,dunno what i was at backing a ladies race anyway,mark my words radiator rooney will win a shitty little race in the next month or 2-most likely when the money's down!

::) lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on June 06, 2011, 05:57:55 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 06, 2011, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on June 06, 2011, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 06, 2011, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 06, 2011, 09:59:58 AM
I was laughing at you looking 3 or 4 winners for today...feck me just give me one and that'll do me

Have a little go on radiator Rooney at 2.30 Fontwell,i think today could be his day (only a fancy),running well in defeat the last few times!

Desperate run,dunno what i was at backing a ladies race anyway,mark my words radiator rooney will win a shitty little race in the next month or 2-most likely when the money's down!

::) lol

was this horse not a tip not so long ago in a shitty race and won?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 08:33:29 PM
I did an e/w accumulator chose 6 horses and 2 let me down >:( >:( >:(. Lets me finished untill Galway ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Just looking through tomorrows cards a horse called: Abnaki 8.30 southwell run a few weeks back won a 11/1(had a punt on it that day) its available at around 10/3 at the minute worth a bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 07, 2011, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 08:33:29 PM
I did an e/w accumulator chose 6 horses and 2 let me down >:( >:( >:(. Lets me finished untill Galway ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Just looking through tomorrows cards a horse called: Abnaki 8.30 southwell run a few weeks back won a 11/1(had a punt on it that day) its available at around 10/3 at the minute worth a bet

Ya lasted about 3 hours lad. :D Its a terrible addiction this blooming gambling. I think I may read Oisins book again because the message obviously didnt sink in the first time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 07, 2011, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 08:33:29 PM
I did an e/w accumulator chose 6 horses and 2 let me down >:( >:( >:(. Lets me finished untill Galway ;) ;) ;)

Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Just looking through tomorrows cards a horse called: Abnaki 8.30 southwell run a few weeks back won a 11/1(had a punt on it that day) its available at around 10/3 at the minute worth a bet

I see a pattern emerging! How do you expect to win money punting at the gaff tracks like Galway and Southwell on useless gluepots? There's 5 days top class fare across the water at Ascot next week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on June 07, 2011, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Just looking through tomorrows cards a horse called: Abnaki 8.30 southwell run a few weeks back won a 11/1(had a punt on it that day) its available at around 10/3 at the minute worth a bet

would have won if it hadnt had hit the last fence  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 07, 2011, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 07, 2011, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 08:33:29 PM
I did an e/w accumulator chose 6 horses and 2 let me down >:( >:( >:(. Lets me finished untill Galway ;) ;) ;)

Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Just looking through tomorrows cards a horse called: Abnaki 8.30 southwell run a few weeks back won a 11/1(had a punt on it that day) its available at around 10/3 at the minute worth a bet

Worth lumping on Moore to be top jock next week DH? Short enough price buthes bound to have some great rides. Any early fancies yet?
I see a pattern emerging! How do you expect to win money punting at the gaff tracks like Galway and Southwell on useless gluepots? There's 5 days top class fare across the water at Ascot next week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 07, 2011, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on June 07, 2011, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 07, 2011, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 08:33:29 PM
I did an e/w accumulator chose 6 horses and 2 let me down >:( >:( >:(. Lets me finished untill Galway ;) ;) ;)

Quote from: Armaghgael on June 06, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Just looking through tomorrows cards a horse called: Abnaki 8.30 southwell run a few weeks back won a 11/1(had a punt on it that day) its available at around 10/3 at the minute worth a bet

Worth lumping on Moore to be top jock next week DH? Short enough price buthes bound to have some great rides. Any early fancies yet?
I see a pattern emerging! How do you expect to win money punting at the gaff tracks like Galway and Southwell on useless gluepots? There's 5 days top class fare across the water at Ascot next week.

Wouldnt call Galway a uselss gluepot. All you have 2 do is back Dermot Weld
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 07, 2011, 10:12:16 PM
Glue pots are the horses not the tracks  ;) or moreso where the shit ones end up  ;D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 07, 2011, 10:14:56 PM
Never thought of it like that  :D :D

But i seriously need a win tomorrow! ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 07, 2011, 10:22:46 PM
The Irish raiders did some damage across the water tonight ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 07, 2011, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 07, 2011, 09:14:34 PM

... Galway ... all you have 2 do is back Dermot Weld


Not quite. The bookies are not foolish and there's little value to be had for Weld runners. In fact, there was money to be made laying Weld favourites in recent years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 07, 2011, 10:30:55 PM
But his outsiders generally do well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 07, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 07, 2011, 10:22:46 PM
The Irish raiders did some damage across the water tonight ;-)

Aye but ya wouldn't have backed either of them. 14s and 22s. Good luck.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 07, 2011, 11:19:06 PM
And 33's in the last my friend!!! After the jockey switching antics of the 1st, then the 2nd... A wee nibble on the 3rd was a must!!! :-D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 07, 2011, 11:27:20 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 07, 2011, 11:19:06 PM
And 33's in the last my friend!!! After the jockey switching antics of the 1st, then the 2nd... A wee nibble on the 3rd was a must!!! :-D

Who is VJ Hughes?? I had looked at Sharks horse in that race but decided against it lucky enough.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 07, 2011, 11:57:33 PM
Just looking at the results now,sick Sharks horse won,his horses have been runnin well of late a winner at 8's yesterday and 1 placed at 14 out of 4 runners and i meant to keep an eye out for his  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on June 08, 2011, 04:09:32 PM
Value probably gone but was given this one......An Irish trained 'plot' horse!

I got 12s but it was immediately smashed into 4s and is as short as 5/2 now in places...

6.30 Hamilton Key Decision
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 08, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
On at 3's ffs!! Oak u better be right or it'll be a quiet christmas!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 08, 2011, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 08, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
On at 3's ffs!! Oak u better be right or it'll be a quiet christmas!! ;-)

cost me my dinner money!!! FFS!
Title: Ar An Aimsir Seo
Post by: drici on June 08, 2011, 09:14:26 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/180b9ef0c1fe3c55a59c5d63fb4942d654836cbfd9d106c99497d1f01efc5dc06g.jpg)

Nina doing fine this weather.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 08, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 07, 2011, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 07, 2011, 09:14:34 PM

... Galway ... all you have 2 do is back Dermot Weld


Not quite. The bookies are not foolish and there's little value to be had for Weld runners. In fact, there was money to be made laying Weld favourites in recent years.

you couldnt really say that about him last year @ galway he had lot off winners and so had i  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 08, 2011, 09:25:56 PM
Speaking of Galway I am only after seeing a horse that won at it last year at 9/1 its running tomorrow;

Ask Jack 8.25 Leopardstown

Title: Re: Ar An Aimsir Seo
Post by: boojangles on June 08, 2011, 09:32:32 PM
Quote from: drici on June 08, 2011, 09:14:26 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/180b9ef0c1fe3c55a59c5d63fb4942d654836cbfd9d106c99497d1f01efc5dc06g.jpg)

Nina doing fine this weather.

Drici my man, where did ya come across that stat table?
Title: Seo
Post by: drici on June 08, 2011, 09:39:56 PM
Go on here    http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/settlers.html

Then click on 'Full Result' of relevant race   http://horses.sportinglife.com/Full_Results/0,12493,438121,00.html

Then click on jockey's name   http://horses.sportinglife.com/Jockey_Profile/0,12488,2459,00.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 08, 2011, 10:22:22 PM
And she did rightly to keep Elliots yoke interested this evening and get it up- i backed it at 7/2 and think it went to 8's or 10's in running!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 08, 2011, 10:25:35 PM
Frankel 1/3 for the St James' Palace??  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 08, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 08, 2011, 10:25:35 PM
Frankel 1/3 for the St James' Palace??  :o

id say he will be most defintly be  shorter on the day dosnt really intrest me taking the 1/3 ante post rules also 1/4 in places was hoping hed be around 1/2 myself
:o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 09, 2011, 01:42:12 PM
Got word for Acer Diamonds, 2pm at Newbury? Do with it what you wish... Currently at 12's I've a small e/w on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 09, 2011, 04:55:36 PM
that Ten Pole Tudor looks a tasty 12/1 in the 8 o clock as does Ask Jack in the 25 past 8.  :-\

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 09, 2011, 06:38:21 PM
Invincible Ash is a big price in the next at Leopardstown if she has recovered from her exertions over in Dubai.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on June 11, 2011, 01:05:55 PM
my luck 15 today r

move in time.  3.20 Sandown  @13-2
Kay Gee Bee  2.40 York  @  11-2
Barkston Ash  5.05 Chester  @2-1
Brandywell Boy  4.00 Bath  @ 4-1

on a seperate bet did Seal Rock ew in 3.15 York @ 8-1

would keep an eye on Bubbly Bellini in 8.00 Limerick
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 11, 2011, 01:41:29 PM
Anything catch your eye today DH or BB?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 11, 2011, 02:30:49 PM
I think Majestic Myles at 11/1 in York 3.15 looks good ew value. Hanagan and Fahey. Desert Law who it beat last time out is half its odds in the same race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 11, 2011, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on June 11, 2011, 01:41:29 PM
Anything catch your eye today DH or BB?

Marvada 6.50 at Limerick worth a small nibble e/w,backed it last time out over 7 furlongs in a weaker race and he did all his best work at the end to get up on the line,the step up could bring about improvement and Dusty Foley's riding again and he's in good form having picked up a double yesterday. He's about 9/1 and i reckon thats a pretty good price for an each way play!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2011, 02:43:36 PM
Keep ye're money for next week. What's the point in punting on mules today when the cream of the sport will be in action from Tuesday onwards?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 11, 2011, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2011, 02:43:36 PM
Keep ye're money for next week. What's the point in punting on mules today when the cream of the sport will be in action from Tuesday onwards?

Ah sure a few 5ers e/w and a lucky 15 is compulsary of a Saturday,keeps me off the beer for a few hours!

So you think and Frankel double  next week Dh,any reason not to have a big double? In my eyes evens for the double seems big but you that really knows your stuff has so you think just been beating pigs here in Ireland or will he live up to the hype from his performances in Oz?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2011, 02:57:39 PM
I expect both to win but So You Think isn't for me at the price. I really respect Planteur and I'd worry that he might just do So You Think for a turn of foot on quick ground. I know O'Brien has come out with the usual ráiméis about having the speed to drop back to a mile but he's a High Chaparral and a lot of his progeny lack a gear.

1/3 Frankel is printing money. He should be 1/10. The only way he gets beat is if his gate doesn't open.

Real pity that Rite Of Passage won't be able to defend his Gold Cup. Hopefully DK will have a crack at Big Bucks with him now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pebble-dasher on June 11, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
anyone any thoughts on oneeighthofamile running in the 8.50 limerick,

word for it from lads in australia, its favourite round 9/4
Title: 6-50
Post by: drici on June 11, 2011, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 11, 2011, 02:39:42 PM

Marvada 6.50 at Limerick worth a small nibble e/w,backed it last time out over 7 furlongs in a weaker race and he did all his best work at the end to get up on the line,the step up could bring about improvement and Dusty Foley's riding again and he's in good form having picked up a double yesterday. He's about 9/1 and i reckon thats a pretty good price for an each way play!


WooHoo!
Maith thú!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 11, 2011, 07:48:39 PM
Gonna have to start paying more attention to the Beer Baron.The one Saturday I wouldn't be backing a few.  Fair play boss. Great tipping.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 11, 2011, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: pebble-dasher on June 11, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
anyone any thoughts on oneeighthofamile running in the 8.50 limerick,

word for it from lads in australia, its favourite round 9/4

The small field didnt help us punters
Title: Re: 6-50
Post by: beer baron on June 11, 2011, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: drici on June 11, 2011, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 11, 2011, 02:39:42 PM

Marvada 6.50 at Limerick worth a small nibble e/w,backed it last time out over 7 furlongs in a weaker race and he did all his best work at the end to get up on the line,the step up could bring about improvement and Dusty Foley's riding again and he's in good form having picked up a double yesterday. He's about 9/1 and i reckon thats a pretty good price for an each way play!


WooHoo!


Just back from football and watched the replay there-dunno how he managed to get up  :o Happy days,few extra pints of stout after the game tomorrow!  ;D
Maith thú!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 13, 2011, 04:24:40 PM
DH... The whole board are waiting on ur fancies to lift a few quid!!! Do hurry up good Sir... ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 13, 2011, 04:42:29 PM
Tomorrow is simple. Have every cent in your account on Frankel. 1/3 is Christmas coming early. Avoid the other races. Canford Cliffs v Goldikova is simply too tough to call while both the Coventry and the Kings Stand are minefields. Too much is dependent on the draw in both those races.

Wednesday looks to have more punting opportunities overall. I'll be backing Fury e/w in the Jersey and Lolly For Dolly e/w in the Windsor Forest.

Keep an eye out for Bolger's 2yos in the other races. He looks to have a decent enough crop so far this season. Also Await The Dawn should bolt up in the Hardwicke on Saturday. Only one firm betting on it at the moment but 11/10 looks reasonable.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 13, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
Hope you're right DH, i've just emptied the account on Frankel :o BTW Paddypower have it at 2/5
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 13, 2011, 06:34:21 PM
Timepiece 740 Warwick
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 14, 2011, 01:03:51 AM
Frankel and shumoos double for me lads and that will be all the punting
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 14, 2011, 01:50:08 PM
For those who marvel at sprinter Usain Bolt's 100m world record of 9.58 seconds, consider that Frankel was an average of more than three seconds quicker over that distance. And he did it over 16 times the trip. And he wasn't even at full stretch


Enough said lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on June 14, 2011, 02:39:42 PM
I had a ten pound  straight forecast on the 1/2 at  the first at Ascot .. Does anyone know what i would collect???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 14, 2011, 02:41:41 PM
Go to the sportinglife webpage and it will tell u what it pays
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 14, 2011, 03:15:27 PM
Straight Forecast, Canford Cliffs, Goldikova: 3.18.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 14, 2011, 03:25:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
Hope you're right DH, i've just emptied the account on Frankel :o BTW Paddypower have it at 2/5

4/11 now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 14, 2011, 03:27:34 PM
some performance by canford cliffs there  lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 14, 2011, 03:47:29 PM
Emptied the account myself, I can't see this supertsar being be beat. If so lads do you boys know where DH lives? :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 14, 2011, 03:50:34 PM
My god that was close.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 14, 2011, 03:50:55 PM
Wish i had more money in my account!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on June 14, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
right lads what is the winnings going on to?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 14, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Don't know why queally went so early the horse was tired but has more than that
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 14, 2011, 03:56:41 PM
Sir Henry didn't look very happy after the race there, wonder will Queally get a firm hand. DH do you reckon Canford Cliffs would get close to Frankel? I think he would have beaten him today. Where will they be likely to meet, the Sussex Stakes?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 14, 2011, 03:58:32 PM
Emptied the account myself, thanks DH, not as comfortable as i would of liked, was glad to see the line, some stride in him,

some fella had a 150,000 pounds on him, some bet,

Canford cliffs won first race for me aswell.. :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 14, 2011, 04:00:56 PM
Didn't like the price so took the ditance bet @ 11/8... Happy enough!!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: T O Hare on June 14, 2011, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 14, 2011, 03:15:27 PM
Straight Forecast, Canford Cliffs, Goldikova: 3.18.

Thanks!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 14, 2011, 04:30:36 PM
What was the top 4 in the last race there at ascot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 14, 2011, 05:22:49 PM
need a quick bit of advice. chances of huma bird in the next at ascot????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 14, 2011, 05:53:57 PM
Candyman what was the distance betting?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 14, 2011, 05:56:04 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 14, 2011, 03:56:41 PM
Sir Henry didn't look very happy after the race there, wonder will Queally get a firm hand. DH do you reckon Canford Cliffs would get close to Frankel? I think he would have beaten him today. Where will they be likely to meet, the Sussex Stakes?

http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/Navigation?byocList=r210002242&evListFilter=215098145

Ladbrokes are offering evens for Frankel to beat Canford Cliffs in a match bet if the pair meet at the Sussex stakes, if the pair don't meet at at Goodwood they will refund the stakes.

If I said to anybody this morning I am offering Frankel at evens to beat any other miler in the world they would have snatched my hand off. Lump on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 14, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
11/8 under 4l
7/4 over

Or 8/1 exactly 4 ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 14, 2011, 10:34:13 PM
Very curious ride on Frankel. I don't know why he kicked when he did. I know he did it in the Royal Lodge but he was running against much inferior opponents that day. If he'd have held onto him a bit longer and tried to get a lead into the straight he would have won going away.

There are rumours doing the rounds that Cecil hasn't been best pleased with Queally recently. He had a face like thunder after the Coronation Cup at Epsom. Queally has always been a spikey enough character. He had a big falling out with Pat Flynn about ten years ago if I remember correctly.

I would fancy Canford Cliffs to beat Frankel if they met on quick ground. However, I probably won't have a bet if they meet at Goodwood. Goodwood is a slightly peculiar track and front runners can often get away and not be pegged back down the straight there. It would probably suit Frankel's style of running more than Ascot which has a stiffish uphill finish.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 14, 2011, 11:06:37 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 13, 2011, 04:42:29 PM
Tomorrow is simple. Have every cent in your account on Frankel. 1/3 is Christmas coming early. Avoid the other races. Canford Cliffs v Goldikova is simply too tough to call while both the Coventry and the Kings Stand are minefields. Too much is dependent on the draw in both those races.

Wednesday looks to have more punting opportunities overall. I'll be backing Fury e/w in the Jersey and Lolly For Dolly e/w in the Windsor Forest.

Keep an eye out for Bolger's 2yos in the other races. He looks to have a decent enough crop so far this season Also Await The Dawn should bolt up in the Hardwicke on Saturday. Only one firm betting on it at the moment but 11/10 looks reasonable.

Bolger's got a 2 year old filly going tomorrow in the 5 o'clock caled Somasach and is a tasty looking 14/1,just watched the replay of her 1 race and she didn't set the world alight but looked to have a good attitude to hold on,do you know anything about her Dh?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 14, 2011, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 14, 2011, 11:06:37 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 13, 2011, 04:42:29 PM
Tomorrow is simple. Have every cent in your account on Frankel. 1/3 is Christmas coming early. Avoid the other races. Canford Cliffs v Goldikova is simply too tough to call while both the Coventry and the Kings Stand are minefields. Too much is dependent on the draw in both those races.

Wednesday looks to have more punting opportunities overall. I'll be backing Fury e/w in the Jersey and Lolly For Dolly e/w in the Windsor Forest.

Keep an eye out for Bolger's 2yos in the other races. He looks to have a decent enough crop so far this season Also Await The Dawn should bolt up in the Hardwicke on Saturday. Only one firm betting on it at the moment but 11/10 looks reasonable.

Bolger's got a 2 year old filly going tomorrow in the 5 o'clock caled Somasach and is a tasty looking 14/1,just watched the replay of her 1 race and she didn't set the world alight but looked to have a good attitude to hold on,do you know anything about her Dh?

I don't have access to the RP at the moment but I think that's the Johannesburg filly that Bolger bred himself? If so, he's probably trying to nick a bit of black type with her. She won from a desperate draw down at Limerick Junction so I'd still keep an eye on Betfair all the same. Meehan's filly that beat the horse that won the last today sets a high standard.

I was more thinking of Teolane when I posted that comment. Really taken with the way she won at Naas last week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 14, 2011, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 14, 2011, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 14, 2011, 11:06:37 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 13, 2011, 04:42:29 PM
Tomorrow is simple. Have every cent in your account on Frankel. 1/3 is Christmas coming early. Avoid the other races. Canford Cliffs v Goldikova is simply too tough to call while both the Coventry and the Kings Stand are minefields. Too much is dependent on the draw in both those races.

Wednesday looks to have more punting opportunities overall. I'll be backing Fury e/w in the Jersey and Lolly For Dolly e/w in the Windsor Forest.

Keep an eye out for Bolger's 2yos in the other races. He looks to have a decent enough crop so far this season Also Await The Dawn should bolt up in the Hardwicke on Saturday. Only one firm betting on it at the moment but 11/10 looks reasonable.

Bolger's got a 2 year old filly going tomorrow in the 5 o'clock caled Somasach and is a tasty looking 14/1,just watched the replay of her 1 race and she didn't set the world alight but looked to have a good attitude to hold on,do you know anything about her Dh?

I don't have access to the RP at the moment but I think that's the Johannesburg filly that Bolger bred himself? If so, he's probably trying to nick a bit of black type with her. She won from a desperate draw down at Limerick Junction so I'd still keep an eye on Betfair all the same. Meehan's filly that beat the horse that won the last today sets a high standard.

I was more thinking of Teolane when I posted that comment. Really taken with the way she won at Naas last week.

Yeah thats the one,i'll heed the market,if i have any more days like today this week i'l be happy enough!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 15, 2011, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 13, 2011, 04:42:29 PM
Tomorrow is simple. Have every cent in your account on Frankel. 1/3 is Christmas coming early. Avoid the other races. Canford Cliffs v Goldikova is simply too tough to call while both the Coventry and the Kings Stand are minefields. Too much is dependent on the draw in both those races.

Wednesday looks to have more punting opportunities overall. I'll be backing Fury e/w in the Jersey and Lolly For Dolly e/w in the Windsor Forest.

Keep an eye out for Bolger's 2yos in the other races. He looks to have a decent enough crop so far this season. Also Await The Dawn should bolt up in the Hardwicke on Saturday. Only one firm betting on it at the moment but 11/10 looks reasonable.

Fury - NR -  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 15, 2011, 12:53:18 PM
Fury a NR Mr Hollow? What do we do now?  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2011, 03:14:48 PM
Thanks again DH for lolly for dolly, you must be rich man..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 15, 2011, 03:15:32 PM
Lolly for Dolly £15 E/W @ 14's this morning!   ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 15, 2011, 03:16:05 PM
Nice one DH, Lolly for Dolly wins, had it at 12-1.
Part of my lucky 63, cheers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 15, 2011, 03:17:38 PM
Take a bow son take a bow :D

Was in bookies yesterday in Lurgan and the whole talk was of what Donnelly would be backing. Honest to God!

And its hardly a bit of wonder!

Cheers man. Ill be reading ur posts with interest(as always over next few days)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 15, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
Got the first up too after the selection was a NR!! :-D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 15, 2011, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 15, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
Got the first up too after the selection was a NR!! :-D

DH good man yourself! lolly for dolly has went down a treat!!!! LEG END!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 15, 2011, 03:38:30 PM
Lolly for DOnneLLY!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on June 15, 2011, 03:45:50 PM
over the last few weeks there has been a pile of winners, keep it up lads especially DH you legend!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 15, 2011, 03:55:31 PM
Some run by Rewilding, I thought So You Think would have destroyed the field after the turn, showed a devestating turn of foot and looked like he was eating up the ground, but there was nothing left in the last furlong. That was some run, I think they just said Rewilding broke the track record.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Chief Whip on June 15, 2011, 04:00:06 PM
Got a bit carried away; Just blew all my Lolly for dolly cash on so you think >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 15, 2011, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Chief Whip on June 15, 2011, 04:00:06 PM
Got a bit carried away; Just blew all my Lolly for dolly cash on so you think >:(

I would say a lot of men did, don't worry it's only Tuesday, plenty of time to get her back  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 15, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
Had Strong suit @ 10's
Lolly for Dolly @ 12's
Save the Bee's @ 14's...

And Still just about Broke even!!! >:-(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2011, 06:07:27 PM
Typical cute Kerry hoor Tommy Stack

Not really surprised So You Think got turned over but I am surprised that it was Rewilding rather than Planteur. Easy to say after the event but never believe the hype when it comes to Ballydoyle/Coolmore. He's clearly a decent animal but the Aussie middle-distance form is pure dross.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 15, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
Any fancies this evening DH to claw back a few quid? U do realise half of Mid-Ulster are waiting on ur call? ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2011, 06:12:00 PM
Only really fancy Await The Dawn (ironically a Ballydoyle horse but IMO their best of the week) for the rest of Ascot. I'm not really following the domestic flat stuff that closely this summer so I couldn't pick one out at Navan.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 15, 2011, 06:21:29 PM
Dh cheers for putting me off the Frankel So you think double last week!I would've been in hot water if i had put on what i had planned!
Didn't back lolly for dolly today with the ground being good,thought she'd want some juice but had a few coppers e/w on Julienas so im happy enough! Bookies are happy boys this evening with no favourites winnning!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Over The Last on June 15, 2011, 11:23:22 PM
Hat's off to Donnelly's Hollow, fair play.

Was at a funeral and didnt see the tips until after the first race so was kind of glad Fury was a N/R!  :D

Had Lolly For Dolly e/w and had word for Best Terms at very short notice, backed it at 9's on P Power Insurebet Top 3.  ;D

Await The Dawn must be friday is it?

The gay fella doing the best dressed feature on Ascot is some character!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 16, 2011, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: attheraces on June 15, 2011, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Chief Whip on June 15, 2011, 04:00:06 PM
Got a bit carried away; Just blew all my Lolly for dolly cash on so you think >:(

I would say a lot of men did, don't worry it's only Tuesday, plenty of time to get her back  ;)

lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 16, 2011, 11:37:03 AM
What are peoples opionions of the controversy over Dettorri and his use of the whip on Rewilding? He was given a 9 day ban for using it 24 times in the final 2 furlongs. Some people calling for Rewilding to be disqualified.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on June 16, 2011, 11:39:22 AM
Quote from: boojangles on June 16, 2011, 11:37:03 AM
What are peoples opionions of the controversy over Dettorri and his use of the whip on Rewilding? He was given a 9 day ban for using it 24 times in the final 2 furlongs. Some people calling for Rewilding to be disqualified.

That's hardly fair on the horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 16, 2011, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 16, 2011, 11:37:03 AM
What are peoples opionions of the controversy over Dettorri and his use of the whip on Rewilding? He was given a 9 day ban for using it 24 times in the final 2 furlongs. Some people calling for Rewilding to be disqualified.

Think it's a load of bull if i'm honest they're racehorses and they're there to win races and the jockeys there to do their best on top,don't get me wrong i don't like to see horses getting a beating but a few smacks of the whip do no harm!

I'd say it's only happened because it's Ascot and the BBC are covering it and the law di daws with their noses up in the air are cribbing and the BHA are trying to lick up to them!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Chief Whip on June 16, 2011, 12:31:05 PM
What do ye's think of fame and glorys chances today?

Untested over the trip but so was yeats, and o'brien seems to have been aiming him towards this one
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 16, 2011, 02:41:59 PM
Any thoughts on Murtagh missing Ascot today for Leop tonight. He's got a good shout in every race!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 16, 2011, 02:47:43 PM
Quote from: Chief Whip on June 16, 2011, 12:31:05 PM
What do ye's think of fame and glorys chances today?

Untested over the trip but so was yeats, and o'brien seems to have been aiming him towards this one

Got a bad feeling about it - think i'll steer clear!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 16, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
Tastahil e/w ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 03:31:04 PM
Quote from: Chief Whip on June 16, 2011, 12:31:05 PM
What do ye's think of fame and glorys chances today?

Untested over the trip but so was yeats, and o'brien seems to have been aiming him towards this one

I was at Navan in April when he won over a mile and five and he was pretty impressive that day. He only won by about half a length that day but that's because he was running out of ground, I would imagine he will enjoy the step up in trip. When it comes to class there he would win hands down but the stamina has to be a question mark and at the price it is to short to me. Holberg is currently 4.4 to place on betfair and he will love the ground and it is easier to suit this distance to him rather than Fame and Glory.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
I just turned on the coverage I didn't realise the ground is soft which isn't good for Holberg. Must be massive money on Fame and Glory, far too short a price with such question marks about his stamina.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 16, 2011, 03:37:48 PM
Sorry Im late with it but was told to back Fictional Account last week. Forgot to put it up earlier. Hasn't run past 2m 1f. Its about 18/1 and could end up last but the vibes are supossed to be good about it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Chief Whip on June 16, 2011, 03:56:13 PM
Fame and glory class act!

Worried about him before race, but hit him hard at 2/1 thank god!  ;D

Will he go on to be as good as Yeats? certainly very impressive today; imagine quicker ground
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
Quote from: Chief Whip on June 16, 2011, 03:56:13 PM
Fame and glory class act!

Worried about him before race, but hit him hard at 2/1 thank god!  ;D

Will he go on to be as good as Yeats? certainly very impressive today; imagine quicker ground

2/1 was a decent price in hindsight but he was still too short for me to back with full certainty. Fame and Glory is ten times the horse Yeats was.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 16, 2011, 04:01:20 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 16, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
Tastahil e/w ;-)

Fancied Tastahil myself went e/w on it - looked good for a while on the pp text commentary! just ran out of steam i take it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: randomtask on June 16, 2011, 04:04:53 PM
whos the fancy for the next lads? I like the look of honey of a kitten
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 04:08:56 PM
If there was ever a lottery in horse racing the 4.25 is probably that. Honey of a Kitten is a good price on betfair, Sagramor would be the pick if I was pushed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Chief Whip on June 16, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: randomtask on June 16, 2011, 04:04:53 PM
whos the fancy for the next lads? I like the look of honey of a kitten

Nothing stands out to me; think i'll sit this one out
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 16, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
Lads, ye have turned this into the best thread on the board.  Duz anyone know the link to a site I was registered with before but for the life of me I cant find it again, you could enter the name of the horse and when it would be running you would get a reminder?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 16, 2011, 04:26:15 PM
Ah lads, ten times the horse Yeats was?

He did that fairly well but it was a shockingly poor renewal of the Gold Cup and it was a messy stop start sort of race which undoubtedly helped him given that he had the speed to win a Tatts Gold Cup at the Curragh over a mile and a quarter. Had he been chasing a proper stayer turning in like Rite Of Passage, it might have been a different story. When he's won another three Gold Cups, then we can compare him to Yeats!

Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 16, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
Lads, ye have turned this into the best thread on the board.  Duz anyone know the link to a site I was registered with before but for the life of me I cant find it again, you could enter the name of the horse and when it would be running you would get a reminder?

Try the horse tracker on irishracing.com Bud.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 16, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
Lads, ye have turned this into the best thread on the board.  Duz anyone know the link to a site I was registered with before but for the life of me I cant find it again, you could enter the name of the horse and when it would be running you would get a reminder?

A number of sites do this, some charge depending on whether it is a text or e-mail service. It might be GG.com they provide an e-mail service for free. I remember Sporting Life had a nag me section and googling it there is also a NagMe.com which having a quick look look's a good simple layout but pretty comprehensive.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 16, 2011, 04:30:50 PM
The one I was subscribed to was free and you could enter all your horses, the best ever but I lost the link.

EDIT.  Think I got it......http://www.irishracing.com/v5tracker (http://www.irishracing.com/v5tracker)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 16, 2011, 04:36:30 PM
Thanks DH, thats the one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 16, 2011, 04:26:15 PM
Ah lads, ten times the horse Yeats was?

He did that fairly well but it was a shockingly poor renewal of the Gold Cup and it was a messy stop start sort of race which undoubtedly helped him given that he had the speed to win a Tatts Gold Cup at the Curragh over a mile and a quarter. Had he been chasing a proper stayer turning in like Rite Of Passage, it might have been a different story. When he's won another three Gold Cups, then we can compare him to Yeats!

Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 16, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
Lads, ye have turned this into the best thread on the board.  Duz anyone know the link to a site I was registered with before but for the life of me I cant find it again, you could enter the name of the horse and when it would be running you would get a reminder?

Try the horse tracker on irishracing.com Bud.

I have seen Fame and Glory quite a few times in the flesh and I must say he is a firm favourite of mine, I've followed him since 2009 when Sea The Stars beat him at Epsom, and the bugger also let me down at the Curragh last year, he was 2/5 I had a fortune on him, I probably lost a lot of men a lot of money that day I was bigging him up that much. But he oozes class and any time I have seen him I have been mostly impressed and today was impressive even if the opposition wasn't top class.

I did get a bit carried away ten times the horse is a bit of a ludicrous statement but I am probably a bit bias as I am a fan of him. Obviously when you are comparing accolades Yeats is going to win but I was comparing them more in term's of ability and class and I think Fame and Glory wins hands down.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Chief Whip on June 16, 2011, 04:55:41 PM
Donnelly Tazahum beat your fancy from yesterday, Fury, in his last outing, what do u think of Tazahum's chances in the next one?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 16, 2011, 05:16:20 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 04:08:56 PM
If there was ever a lottery in horse racing the 4.25 is probably that. Honey of a Kitten is a good price on betfair, Sagramor would be the pick if I was pushed.

Wins at 8-1. As Bud says its becoming one of the best threads to follow. Lets keep it that way.
P.S.... Does anybody get Paddy Powers daily email where he tips a horse? They have been sending them out the last 6 or 7 weeks and they have a very good success rate. My brother gets them and he said the last 6 have won.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on June 16, 2011, 05:23:55 PM
any fancies for the last?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on June 16, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
www.easyodds.co.uk

They do the horse alert thing as well, they send me an email every morning one of my horses are running with a short write up of its form plus whatever comments you have about the horse yourself.

Sends the weekend runners on Friday evening about 6pm.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 16, 2011, 06:23:43 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 16, 2011, 02:41:59 PM
Any thoughts on Murtagh missing Ascot today for Leop tonight. He's got a good shout in every race!

off to a flyer lad Rubinna 6/1 beating an odds on fav
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 16, 2011, 06:28:03 PM
Spirit was 6mins too late for the race!!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 16, 2011, 06:29:49 PM
Typical i missed it too ffs
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 16, 2011, 06:30:15 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 16, 2011, 04:26:15 PM
Ah lads, ten times the horse Yeats was?

He did that fairly well but it was a shockingly poor renewal of the Gold Cup and it was a messy stop start sort of race which undoubtedly helped him given that he had the speed to win a Tatts Gold Cup at the Curragh over a mile and a quarter. Had he been chasing a proper stayer turning in like Rite Of Passage, it might have been a different story. When he's won another three Gold Cups, then we can compare him to Yeats!

Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 16, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
Lads, ye have turned this into the best thread on the board.  Duz anyone know the link to a site I was registered with before but for the life of me I cant find it again, you could enter the name of the horse and when it would be running you would get a reminder?

Try the horse tracker on irishracing.com Bud.

I have seen Fame and Glory quite a few times in the flesh and I must say he is a firm favourite of mine, I've followed him since 2009 when Sea The Stars beat him at Epsom, and the bugger also let me down at the Curragh last year, he was 2/5 I had a fortune on him, I probably lost a lot of men a lot of money that day I was bigging him up that much. But he oozes class and any time I have seen him I have been mostly impressed and today was impressive even if the opposition wasn't top class.

I did get a bit carried away ten times the horse is a bit of a ludicrous statement but I am probably a bit bias as I am a fan of him. Obviously when you are comparing accolades Yeats is going to win but I was comparing them more in term's of ability and class and I think Fame and Glory wins hands down.

I woudn't read too much into F&G's form with Sea The Stars. The formbook might say that there was only a few lengths between them but in truth, Sea The Stars was stones ahead of him. Sea The Stars was the flat equivalent of Moscow Flyer. He only ever did enough and kept plenty up his sleeve. I don't think we ever saw him come out of third gear. We might not see another horse like him for decades.

Yeats wasn't short of class either. He would have won an Epsom Derby but for injury - he was always rated far superior to Oratorio who beat Motivator twice in the summer of 2005. He also won a Coronation Cup over a mile and a half like F&G. To then have the longevity to win a fourth Gold Cup at the age of 8 was remarkable. Bear in mind that Yeats was by the mighty Sadlers Wells whose progeny, dare I say, would be easier to keep sound than a Montjeu like F&G.

I don't understand why they're going to aim him at the Arc now. He wasn't good enough to win a mediocre Arc last year and it's likely to be a stronger renewal this time round. Stayers have run well in it in the past (Westerner being the obvious example) but he's not going to do better than a place IMO. I think he'd have a right chance in a Melbourne Cup because he seems to have the combination of gears and stamina that's needed down under.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 07:32:34 PM
Don't get me wrong, the ability to win four gold cups in succession is truly remarkable, and there was even talk of him going for a fifth at the time if I remember correctly which would have been even more crazy!

What would you recommend F&G do, the St Leger and then the Melbourne Cup?

It's very much going to be a stronger Arc this year, the likes of Pour Moi and So You Think are all in the frame to run along with Workforce, could be a clash of a number of my favourites running. Will St Nicholas Abbey head for the Arc to? I was still really impressed with So You Think this week, he is a bit of a monster and by the sounds of O'Brien he will be in much better shape for his next big outing. The way he ate up the field was pretty devstating, do you think it really is a lack of stamina or he simply isn't good enough? I was reading today supposedly the pacemaker, Jan Vermeer took too long to take up the running and it messed up the tactics to, but I suppose that's more excuses. I am tempted to maybe have an ante-post flutter on him because he did impress me. Would you recommend it no?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 16, 2011, 10:32:02 PM
have heard that ryan moore said so you think gave a good blow after the race so ud have to believe what o brian said  about having him undercooked
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 16, 2011, 10:49:05 PM
There has been wide rumours now that So You Think is the best horse that has been at the Ballydoyle complex since Alleged and feelings like that cannot be made from the horse's reputation alone, though he will have to start proving himself against tougher opposition because to be honest two Cox plates does not neccesariyl mean he will come up and dominate the European scene.

I would imagine his workload will be increased immediately to bring the horse's level of stamina up. I would imagine the next test will be at Sandown which will determine his chances of running in the Arc.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 16, 2011, 11:24:52 PM
I would imagine AOB and all at Ballydoyle need a good fcukin kick in the balls!!! "Maybe we hadn't done enough work with him to get his stamina up" or words to that effect??? WTF? Thanks for telling us beforehand... Cost me a fortune!! :-/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2011, 12:44:08 AM
So You Think's lofty reputation is primarily down to Coolmore/Ballydoyle pr and spin. The horse is good but he had no form whatsoever that justified his odds the other day. O'Brien comes out with this ráiméis (best he's trained etc.) on an annual basis - One Cool Cat, Steinbeck, Pescatorio, Malibu Bay, US Ranger, the list of flops is endless. The nature of the Coolmore operation is such that O'Brien will always talk every horse up but he'll also have a ready made excuse when a high profile one is beaten.

For all that Moore rode a bad race on SYT, if the horse was truly top class he still should have won. He got beat by Rewilding who was stuffed in the Ledger of all races! He's clearly a useful animal and may yet win further decent races but he wouldn't hold a candle to some of the Ballydoyle horses of yesteryear - Giants Causeway, Galileo, High Chaparral, Dylan Thomas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on June 17, 2011, 09:36:55 AM
I still think So You Think is a beast of a horse. You don't win two Cox Plates like he did, and not be a bit special. At the end of the day, horses are like humans, both have off-days. Wednesday was one such day for So You Think. Although credit to Rewilding who clearly has improved a lot in Dubai. My suspicion is that So You Think will come back for the Irish Champion and then be trained for the Breeders Cup Classic. With all the top USA older horses retired, and no outstanding 3yo, he'll take a lot of beating in that.

I was also very surprised to hear them talk of Fame And Glory as an Arc horse. They have plenty of 1m 4f options in the yard with St. Nicholas Abbey, Await the Dawn and whatever wins the Irish Derby. F&G might run in the Niel, and if he gets beat, they will probably switch to the Prix Du Cadran and the Prix Royal-Oak.

I must say three APOB horses who've disappointed me so far are Jan Vermeer, Viscount Nelson and Cape Blanco. Certainly after the World Cup run, I'd have expected Cape Blanco to pick up a Group One. Jan Vermeer went off favourite for the Epsom Derby and is now being used as a pacemaker. And Viscount Nelson is probably the best-bred horse in Ireland and was beaten out of sight in USA last week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on June 17, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
Don't forget Rewilding and So You Think pulled six clear of Planteur and a further ten back to Twice Over.

Both horses have run high 120s. 129 Rewilding, 128 So You Think. At a glance they are the ratings I would dish out.

The fact that it was Rewilding who beat So You Think is misleading a lot of people in my opinion. Rewilding has improved an awful lot over the Winter. Future races will hopefully prove that there was no shame in going down to him, particularly if as O'Brien is saying the horse wasn't fit.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on June 17, 2011, 09:55:22 AM
On the Melboure Cup - I'm not sure will Aidan go back. Purely because his tactics with Septimus, Honolulu and Alessandro Volta did not go down well out there. He took a hell of a lot of flak Down Under. You only have to read the comments of Bart Cummings this week to see there's still a hostile feeling towards O'Brien. Aidan himself, was very critical of the hard ground down there too.

If he did go back, then I'd be looking to a horse like Regent Street - runs in the Queen's Vase at Royal Ascot today. Same race Mahler won, and he's the closest Aidan has come to winning a Melbourne Cup. Horses like Yeats and Septimus were very exposed when they went down, and they got jarred up on the hard ground. Mahler, for all that he might have lacked in class, got in off a nothing weight and possibly because he was so lightly raced, was more willing to let himself run on the ground? That is a theory of mine anyway. For that reason, I'd prefer to see them keep Fame And Glory to the staying races in Europe.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 17, 2011, 10:50:56 AM
Teolane the banker today Dh?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 17, 2011, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: Candyman on June 16, 2011, 11:24:52 PM
I would imagine AOB and all at Ballydoyle need a good fcukin kick in the balls!!! "Maybe we hadn't done enough work with him to get his stamina up" or words to that effect??? WTF? Thanks for telling us beforehand... Cost me a fortune!! :-/

AP O Brien,Ballydoyle or Coolmore do not give a flying F*** about ordinary punters like you and me.

Teolane was very impressive last week and the stable is in great form with an Ascot winner yesterday.
Any thoughts on Together today? The word was supposedly good about it before the Irish Guineas but was beat by the so called second string that day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 17, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
There is no real stand out pick for me in the coronation today, the ground will suit Together today but a drawback is the draw which will make it tough for a victory. She will probably run a solid race and a place would be most likely in my eyes. A place is 13/8 at the moment on betfair which is pretty good value at the moment IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 17, 2011, 12:53:12 PM
I've done a wee e/w accum for the craic:

World Domination 6/1
More than Real  10/1
Riggins         33/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 17, 2011, 02:35:22 PM
The ground didn't suit Teolane today atall but that was not really a reason to oppose her because she is from Teofilo who loved the soft ground. She missed the start and never seemed comfortable in running. Bad start to the day for the punters.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
I just don't see it with regard to So You Think STS. I saw the horse myself in the flesh when he won the Mooresbridge and he certainly is an impressive bull of a colt but I don't think he'll ever justify his reputation in Europe. I take your point re Planteur and Twice Over but equally Sri Putra who is very moderate was only 6 lengths away. High Chaparral, for all that he was a brilliant racehorse, has been a bit of a disappointment at stud. Any of his progeny that I have encountered seem to lack a gear. Maybe So You Think will be better when stepped up two furlongs in trip (his Melbourne Cup run suggests as much) but you could make a similar case for Rewilding. I think Magnier took a gamble on this horse being the one who would really showcase High Chaparral as a sire safe in the knowledge that he could have a successful stud career in Australia regardless. Unless he wins a race like the Eclipse, the King George, the Judmonte, the Irish Champion or the Arc against top class opponents, I don't think he'll be that popular among European breeders. His Cox Plate wins will ensure his popularity in Australia but I certainly wouldn't be sending a mare to So You Think for what's likely to be an astronomical figure on the back of beating Zipping (a 9yo gelding) by a few lengths.


Quote from: boojangles on June 17, 2011, 11:22:09 AM
AP O Brien,Ballydoyle or Coolmore do not give a flying F*** about ordinary punters like you and me.

Absolutely spot on Booj. Coolmore has grown to be far more powerful than the Irish Turf Club will ever be and it is to the detriment of racing IMO. They're not in it for the love of the game and they have really begun to take the piss in the past few years. Every 2yo newcomer in a maiden is given a school and you simply couldn't back any of their horses on their reappearance because the vast majority of them aren't even half fit and will be tenderly handled by the jockey. Fame And Glory in the Alleged Stakes last year being the prime example. Recital, Misty For Me and Zoffany this season all improved out of all recognition on their second starts and St Nicholas Abbey is now a Coronation Cup winner after being stuffed by a Triumph Hurdle runner up on his reappearance! When Vincent was training all of his string were primed to win first time out and ironically enough the Turf Club were never off his case.

The authorities in both the UK and Ireland are scared shitless of taking them to task but the small trainer who attempts to pull a stroke in a nothing race at some gaff track will be made an example out of.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 17, 2011, 10:53:47 PM
Anyone any thoughts on Grand Crus tomorrow in the French Champion Hurdle? Change of jockey with AP on board so must be taking it serious!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 17, 2011, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 17, 2011, 10:53:47 PM
Anyone any thoughts on Grand Crus tomorrow in the French Champion Hurdle? Change of jockey with AP on board so must be taking it serious!

Don't have a clue about the race but don't take the jockey change as a sign of intent because i think Scudamore's still injured so Pipe would normally book Mc Coy for  rides!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 12:17:53 PM
Forgot about Scudamore's injury so makes sense with the jockey change.  Mini-world hurdle with the exception of Big Bucks.  5/4 at present with 7/2 2nd Favourite Bel la vie.  Might try my luck on him anyways.

Any fancies today then with all this rain having come down?  Delegator already pulled due to the ground.  Await the Dawn still a fancy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 18, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 12:17:53 PM
Forgot about Scudamore's injury so makes sense with the jockey change.  Mini-world hurdle with the exception of Big Bucks.  5/4 at present with 7/2 2nd Favourite Bel la vie.  Might try my luck on him anyways.

Any fancies today then with all this rain having come down?  Delegator already pulled due to the ground.  Await the Dawn still a fancy?

Await the Dawn won its maiden on Soft ground. But whether 4/6 is value I don't know.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
I done him earlier in the week at evens.  Suppose a small price winner is better than a big priced loser so regardless as long as he wins itd be better than a kick in the dick
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 18, 2011, 01:21:17 PM
After so many supposed "good things" getting turned over this week I'll prob go with an e/w shot at a big price!! ALTHOUGH... I will wait on word from thee great one DH ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 18, 2011, 03:12:58 PM
Maybe & Await the Dawn Double paid 9/2!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2011, 03:27:25 PM
Probably the most overdue Grade 1 success ever. So that's the 2011 Irish, English and French Champion Hurdles for Willie Mullins emulating his late father.

(http://www.irishracing.com/photo_jpeg/U000012558876041.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 18, 2011, 03:28:54 PM
Nicely done McIlroy (9/4 - friday morning) - and await the dawn (8/11) double!!!! Hopefully Roars doesn't fill them now!  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 18, 2011, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2011, 03:27:25 PM
Probably the most overdue Grade 1 success ever. So that's the 2011 Irish, English and French Champion Hurdles for Willie Mullins emulating his late father.

(http://www.irishracing.com/photo_jpeg/U000012558876041.jpg)

I don't believe it. Looked at Mourad and all and thought 18/1 was too big but the fact I knew nothing of the french horses out me off it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 18, 2011, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on June 18, 2011, 03:28:54 PM
Nicely done McIlroy (9/4 - friday morning) - and await the dawn (8/11) double!!!! Hopefully Roars doesn't fill them now!  :o

Your home and hosed now lad  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 18, 2011, 03:39:28 PM
Geraldines Lass 11th in Down Royal 14.40 today, didnt bet on it but as we all won good money on it lately i thought its worth a mention..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
Anyone watch the race? What happened crus? Thousand run a great race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2011, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
Anyone watch the race? What happened crus? Thousand run a great race?

They went very steady for the first mile and a half. Grand Cru looked to be travelling well three out but he was one paced when they quickened. Walsh only had to get after Thousand Stars at the back of the last. He had learned his lesson from the Barka a few weeks ago.

Big dilemna for Willie now. Might be tempted to go over fences but could be a possible challenger to Big Bucks over three miles?

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: flantheman82 on June 18, 2011, 04:09:53 PM
Anyone know how or where to find the top jockey standings at royal ascot? Guy out of work was telling me about a 5 timer he has running, the last of which is Moore as top jockey. Gets a few grand for a £20 bet if he wins.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 04:31:46 PM
Surprised with Grand Crus.  He's the only horse to challenge big bucks. Admittedly showed better at Cheltenham when Ruby ran a very different race than normal with Bucks.  At Aintree Bucks did look better when raced from the front.

If Crus can't win in that field (ex Bucks) in a race it has raced and challenged in all season where can he go? I'll probably eat my words next season. Mullins takes another horse and wipes the field not only Crus!

Interesting to see how thousand stars and bucks fair next year.  Can Crus come back?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 18, 2011, 06:09:45 PM
A DOUBLE on the final day of Royal Ascot on Saturday helped Ryan Moore and Aidan O'Brien into the lead for the top jockey and top trainer titles at the royal meeting.

Jockey 1st 2nd 3rd
Ryan Moore 3 5 2
Richard Hughes 3 4 2
Jamie Spencer 2  2
Johnny Murtagh 2  1
Eddie Ahern 2     
Silvestre de Sousa 2   
William Buick 2     
Richard Kingscote 2     
Tom Queally 1 3   
Martin Dwyer 1 1 1
Phillip Makin 1 1 1



Trainer 1st 2nd 3rd
Aidan O'Brien 4 2 1
Richard Hannon 3 4 1
John Gosden
2 1
   
Mark Johnston 2  1
Tom Dascombe
2     
Hughie Morrison
2     
James Fanshawe 2   
Sir Henry Cecil
1 2   
Brian Meehan
1 1 1
Kevin Ryan
1 1 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 18, 2011, 06:31:04 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 04:31:46 PM
Surprised with Grand Crus.  He's the only horse to challenge big bucks. Admittedly showed better at Cheltenham when Ruby ran a very different race than normal with Bucks.  At Aintree Bucks did look better when raced from the front.

If Crus can't win in that field (ex Bucks) in a race it has raced and challenged in all season where can he go? I'll probably eat my words next season. Mullins takes another horse and wipes the field not only Crus!

Interesting to see how thousand stars and bucks fair next year.  Can Crus come back?

My understanding was that Grand Crus is heading novice chasing next season?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 06:47:57 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 18, 2011, 06:31:04 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 04:31:46 PM
Surprised with Grand Crus.  He's the only horse to challenge big bucks. Admittedly showed better at Cheltenham when Ruby ran a very different race than normal with Bucks.  At Aintree Bucks did look better when raced from the front.

If Crus can't win in that field (ex Bucks) in a race it has raced and challenged in all season where can he go? I'll probably eat my words next season. Mullins takes another horse and wipes the field not only Crus!

Interesting to see how thousand stars and bucks fair next year.  Can Crus come back?

My understanding was that Grand Crus is heading novice chasing next season?

I thought there was only talk of that because of his results against bucks?  Thought it was only here say from punters.  There could be something in it I suppose
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2011, 07:15:18 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 06:47:57 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 18, 2011, 06:31:04 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 04:31:46 PM
Surprised with Grand Crus.  He's the only horse to challenge big bucks. Admittedly showed better at Cheltenham when Ruby ran a very different race than normal with Bucks.  At Aintree Bucks did look better when raced from the front.

If Crus can't win in that field (ex Bucks) in a race it has raced and challenged in all season where can he go? I'll probably eat my words next season. Mullins takes another horse and wipes the field not only Crus!

Interesting to see how thousand stars and bucks fair next year.  Can Crus come back?

My understanding was that Grand Crus is heading novice chasing next season?

I thought there was only talk of that because of his results against bucks?  Thought it was only here say from punters.  There could be something in it I suppose

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/04/11/RACING_Crus.html (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/04/11/RACING_Crus.html)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 08:09:28 PM
Fair point.  So will thousand stars put it up to big bucks?
Title: Marbh
Post by: drici on June 18, 2011, 09:23:16 PM
http://unitedireland.tripod.com/dawn_run_lyrics_foster_allen.html
(http://www.jonjooneillracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/dawn-run1.jpg)
(http://www.jonjooneillracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/dawnrun.jpg)
Jonjo first rode Dawn Run at Ascot in November 1983 and recalls "she was very moody and not a very comfortable ride. I never felt that I really fitted into her neatly and tidily". Nonetheless, they were successful and the following March landed the Champion Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival.

However, it was Dawn Run's victory in the 1986 Cheltenham Gold Cup that really captured the racing public's imagination. Her trainer, Paddy Mullins, was far from confident that she could win such a race, despite her exploits over hurdles. As Jonjo relates "the major threat to her chances were the fences – her jumping could be dreadful. She was a big, long-striding mare, who was fantastic at flying a hurdle and could be brilliant if she met a fence right. However, she hadn't a clue how to adjust herself when she was wrong and just took a chance".

Turning for home, towards the end of a dramatic race, Dawn Run was one of only four horses left in contention. After the second last fence she looked likely to finish no better than third, but under a power packed finish from Jonjo she stormed up the hill to catch Wayward Lad near the finish. As Jonjo remembers "It was an amazing feeling. The noise of the crowd was incredible – a fitting reception for the first horse to win the Champion Hurdle and the Gold Cup. It was bedlam, glorious chaos and a moment in time I'll never forget – how could you!"

Jonjo retired at the end of that season, but Dawn Run's connections extended her campaign in a bid to win a second French Champion Hurdle. Tragically, she fell in that, breaking her neck. Such was her popularity, her death was reported on the front page of the Irish Times. A bronze statue of her and Jonjo now overlooks the parade ring at Cheltenham.

Jonjo summed up her unique ability as follows "She gave me my greatest day ever as a jockey. She was a funny old thing, but it was a great honour to be associated with her".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC9dRA15F9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhai8xzEi0k
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MUDMONT/RACEHORSE%20COLLECTOR%20CARDS/DawnRun.jpg?t=1279299943)
Dawn Run, who also won the Irish and French Champion Hurdles, was killed in the summer of 1986, just months after her Gold Cup triumph, when falling at Auteuil under a French jockey, Michel Chirol.In her next race at Aintree she failed to get past the first fence, but followed up by again beating Buck House in a specially arranged match at the Punchestown festival.  The decision was then made by her owner to send her back to France to try and repeat her 1984 win in the Grande Course de Haies d'Auteuil (French Champion Hurdle).  French jockey Michel Chirol was on board Dawn Run.
Dawn Run broke her neck in the French Champion Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2011, 09:34:27 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2150/2821630044_47ed40a676.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3hE2PxoTU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3hE2PxoTU)

http://www.rte.ie/laweb/ll/ll_t07j.html (http://www.rte.ie/laweb/ll/ll_t07j.html)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 18, 2011, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 08:09:28 PM
Fair point.  So will thousand stars put it up to big bucks?

In a word, No. Quevega would be best placed but in all likelihood Mullins will go for the Mares Hurdle again.
Title: Fosta
Post by: drici on June 18, 2011, 10:30:47 PM
Oh aye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtxHeVD1xKQ&NR=1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2011, 11:38:55 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 18, 2011, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 18, 2011, 08:09:28 PM
Fair point.  So will thousand stars put it up to big bucks?

In a word, No. Quevega would be best placed but in all likelihood Mullins will go for the Mares Hurdle again.

Probably not but it's fair to say that Big Bucks hasn't met as classy a horse as Thousand Stars. For me Solwhit is the interesting horse in the staying division. He's probably a little bit better than Thousand Stars and his running style has always suggested that he's in need of a trip. I know there's rumours that he could be going chasing but he's only a handy little horse who might not take to fences. I'd love him to go over to Newbury for the hurdle race on Hennessy day to see if he's up to taking on Big Bucks. If Solwhit gets stuffed then they can always go chasing at Christmas. I'd love to see Quevega run in the Stayers Hurdle but it's unlikely now when connections have Thousand Stars.

Quote from: drici on June 18, 2011, 10:30:47 PM
Oh aye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtxHeVD1xKQ&NR=1

Some class footage on there.

Captain Christy 1974:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRFUBTvmu3Y&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRFUBTvmu3Y&feature=related)

Golden Cygnet 1978:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_8KSgxz4pg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_8KSgxz4pg)

The People's Champion 1997:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uftABsFI_4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uftABsFI_4)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 19, 2011, 01:11:39 AM
My own view on Solwhit is that he is a cracking 2 mile hurdler who would have placed in the Champion had Byrne sent him over. Did he pick up an injury towards the end of the season? I'd have thought that he would have picked up the Aintree hurdle had he been laid out for the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on June 19, 2011, 01:02:06 PM
Wee Giant 4.05 Gowran Park 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 19, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Got word for St. Cillians run earlier but he was an e/w bet to nothing at the time.Expected to win,4.30 hexham!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 19, 2011, 04:14:09 PM
Groucho ye feckin Bollocks ye!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: whitegoodman on June 19, 2011, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 19, 2011, 04:14:09 PM
Groucho ye feckin Bollocks ye!!!

+1 lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2011, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 19, 2011, 01:11:39 AM
My own view on Solwhit is that he is a cracking 2 mile hurdler who would have placed in the Champion had Byrne sent him over. Did he pick up an injury towards the end of the season? I'd have thought that he would have picked up the Aintree hurdle had he been laid out for the race.

My understanding is that Solwhit wasn't sparkling at home before Cheltenham so they roughed him off for the year before Liverpool. I think there's every chance he'll get three miles. He's by a fairly unknown German sire but his dam is from the Northern Dancer line so there is plenty of stamina in the pedigree. I think it's fair to say that Big Bucks has never met a hurdler with a real potent turn of foot. Now it's possible that he'll simply dismiss him like he has done to all comers for the past three years but it's a race that all NH fans will greatly anticipate.

Thousand Stars is apparently going to stay over hurdles too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 19, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 19, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Got word for St. Cillians run earlier but he was an e/w bet to nothing at the time.Expected to win,4.30 hexham!

timmy fecking murphy  :'( had good word for it also and had a good bet on it didnt see the race but heard he wasnt great but lucky enough the bumper horse had yet 2 run so got it all back with more  :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 19, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 19, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Got word for St. Cillians run earlier but he was an e/w bet to nothing at the time.Expected to win,4.30 hexham!

timmy fecking murphy  :'( had good word for it also and had a good bet on it didnt see the race but heard he wasnt great but lucky enough the bumper horse had yet 2 run so got it all back with more  :) :)

Think you might be getting the same nod i am.Timmy cost me a fortune yesterday and i didnt have the balls to back atlanta falcon!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 20, 2011, 10:46:47 AM
Quote from: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 19, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 19, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Got word for St. Cillians run earlier but he was an e/w bet to nothing at the time.Expected to win,4.30 hexham!

timmy fecking murphy  :'( had good word for it also and had a good bet on it didnt see the race but heard he wasnt great but lucky enough the bumper horse had yet 2 run so got it all back with more  :) :)

He gave that St Killians run a great ride until the finishing straight then he switched the horse onto the rail and the horse in front cut him off . He then tried to switch the horse back out but by that stage the bird had flown.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 12:12:14 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 20, 2011, 10:46:47 AM
Quote from: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 19, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 19, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Got word for St. Cillians run earlier but he was an e/w bet to nothing at the time.Expected to win,4.30 hexham!

timmy fecking murphy  :'( had good word for it also and had a good bet on it didnt see the race but heard he wasnt great but lucky enough the bumper horse had yet 2 run so got it all back with more  :) :)

He gave that St Killians run a great ride until the finishing straight then he switched the horse onto the rail and the horse in front cut him off . He then tried to switch the horse back out but by that stage the bird had flown.

Are you serious?Fair enough he switched the horse off but look at a few of the jumps,going between horses where there was no gap,no need to take those risks,pity Carberry doesnt ride for David Johnson,im certain he would've won cosily with Carberry on but sure that's gambling! ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 12:21:07 PM
I don't think Timmy's heart is in it anymore. He still pulls the odd rabbit out of the hat like Poker De Sivola in the Whitbred but his riding has declined significantly IMO. He was as good a rider as there was about during the middle years of the last decade. Beautiful pair of hands. David Johnson's string has declined significantly too. I can't think of any promising young horses in his ownership apart from Jessies Dream. He only part owns the likes of Ghizao.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 20, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
I always consider Paul Carberry and Timmy Murphy as hold-up merchants. Leaving it til the last minute to make the move. Alot of times it doesn't pay off, like yesterday.
Give me Barry Geraghty any day.
I'l be backing him on St Devote tonight at Kilbeggan. Should win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on June 20, 2011, 02:04:52 PM
Backed Geraghty last fri on board mossley joe, the horse was going well popped over the second last and slipped . Disaster .

Murphy is a hold up jockey and i am not an expert on jockies but i thought he had timed the run on St killlian to perfection but his decision to cut in was in hindsight the wrong one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Carberry's a genius!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 03:09:46 PM
It's far too easy to pigeon hole jockeys. Most of the top lads are adept at riding all sorts of races. Carberry is often described as a hold-up jockey but I personally think he has few equals on a front runner. The biggest error a jockey can make is hitting the front and committing for home too soon IMO. There's only one post that you have to pass in front and that's the winning post.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 20, 2011, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Carberry's a genius!

Thats where me and you differ Beer Baron..... :D

Who in your opinion DH would consistently be the best NH jockey at the moment?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 20, 2011, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Carberry's a genius!

Thats where me and you differ Beer Baron..... :D

Who in your opinion DH would consistently be the best NH jockey at the moment?

Yeah a lot of the lads say i'm mad but i think he's a master,he gets the odd horse beat when using hold up tactics but his ability to get a horse enjoying himself is second to none,he cost me the biggest bet of my life on hesaposer last year,coming from about 20 lengths back to half a length in about the last 2 furlongs,i wasn't impressed and neither was Elliott but these things happen and i know if i was to try land a plunge some day i'd want him on board!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 20, 2011, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Carberry's a genius!

Thats where me and you differ Beer Baron..... :D

Who in your opinion DH would consistently be the best NH jockey at the moment?

Walsh is an absolute master. Probably the best I've ever seen. People often say that he's nearly always riding the most talented horses but he has earned that position. He's peerless IMO.

To be honest, I don't think there's that much difference between the top 10-15 lads. I'd have no qualms about backing any horse ridden by the likes of McCoy, Russell, Geraghty, Johnson, Townend, Carberry, McNamara, Lee, Brennan etc.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onlooker on June 20, 2011, 08:23:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 20, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
I always consider Paul Carberry and Timmy Murphy as hold-up merchants. Leaving it til the last minute to make the move. Alot of times it doesn't pay off, like yesterday.
Give me Barry Geraghty any day.
I'l be backing him on St Devote tonight at Kilbeggan. Should win.
I was lucky enough to have a share in a horse that won 2 Grade 2 hurdle races ridden by Timmy Murphy in 2006.   She led for every yard in both races and Timmy gave a super ride on both occasions.  He could ride winners from the front or from off the pace.  Top class jockey and very genuine fellow.  Maybe he is winding down as a jockey, but I would love to have him riding any horse that I was involved with.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on June 20, 2011, 08:23:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 20, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
I always consider Paul Carberry and Timmy Murphy as hold-up merchants. Leaving it til the last minute to make the move. Alot of times it doesn't pay off, like yesterday.
Give me Barry Geraghty any day.
I'l be backing him on St Devote tonight at Kilbeggan. Should win.
I was lucky enough to have a share in a horse that won 2 Grade 2 hurdle races ridden by Timmy Murphy in 2006.   She led for every yard in both races and Timmy gave a super ride on both occasions.  He could ride winners from the front or from off the pace.  Top class jockey and very genuine fellow.  Maybe he is winding down as a jockey, but I would love to have him riding any horse that I was involved with.

Celestial Wave Onlooker?? Tragic what happened her in the end.

I think owners and punters look at things very differently. The last thing an owner wants is his young inexperienced horse having a bad experience in a bumper or a maiden hurdle, whereas a punter who has his hard earned on wants the same horse to get the McCoy treatment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 08:33:46 PM
Carberry doing the business this evening!  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 08:46:24 PM
Speaking of jockeys, Hughesie could be in hot water over at Windsor. Very nasty incident.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 20, 2011, 08:48:56 PM
Just watching that. Lucky no one was hurt. And the race before in Chepstow had a horse come across from the rail and concertina the whole field, ruined the race.

Not a great evening for jocks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 20, 2011, 09:08:32 PM
carberry is class the only thing is ya never know what the horse has left when he is riding
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onlooker on June 20, 2011, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on June 20, 2011, 08:23:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 20, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
I always consider Paul Carberry and Timmy Murphy as hold-up merchants. Leaving it til the last minute to make the move. Alot of times it doesn't pay off, like yesterday.
Give me Barry Geraghty any day.
I'l be backing him on St Devote tonight at Kilbeggan. Should win.
I was lucky enough to have a share in a horse that won 2 Grade 2 hurdle races ridden by Timmy Murphy in 2006.   She led for every yard in both races and Timmy gave a super ride on both occasions.  He could ride winners from the front or from off the pace.  Top class jockey and very genuine fellow.  Maybe he is winding down as a jockey, but I would love to have him riding any horse that I was involved with.

Celestial Wave Onlooker?? Tragic what happened her in the end.

I think owners and punters look at things very differently. The last thing an owner wants is his young inexperienced horse having a bad experience in a bumper or a maiden hurdle, whereas a punter who has his hard earned on wants the same horse to get the McCoy treatment.
It was Celestial Wave all right and it was heartbreaking at the time, but some great memories all the same.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 20, 2011, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 08:46:24 PM
Speaking of jockeys, Hughesie could be in hot water over at Windsor. Very nasty incident.

7 days 4th to 10th July out of Newmarket meeting.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on June 20, 2011, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2011, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on June 20, 2011, 08:23:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 20, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
I always consider Paul Carberry and Timmy Murphy as hold-up merchants. Leaving it til the last minute to make the move. Alot of times it doesn't pay off, like yesterday.
Give me Barry Geraghty any day.
I'l be backing him on St Devote tonight at Kilbeggan. Should win.
I was lucky enough to have a share in a horse that won 2 Grade 2 hurdle races ridden by Timmy Murphy in 2006.   She led for every yard in both races and Timmy gave a super ride on both occasions.  He could ride winners from the front or from off the pace.  Top class jockey and very genuine fellow.  Maybe he is winding down as a jockey, but I would love to have him riding any horse that I was involved with.

Celestial Wave Onlooker?? Tragic what happened her in the end.

I think owners and punters look at things very differently. The last thing an owner wants is his young inexperienced horse having a bad experience in a bumper or a maiden hurdle, whereas a punter who has his hard earned on wants the same horse to get the McCoy treatment.
It was Celestial Wave all right and it was heartbreaking at the time, but some great memories all the same.

She was a fine mare. It was a pity there was no mares hurdle at Cheltenham for her at that time. I love the white bridle that Adrian uses on his horses. Really makes them stand out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 21, 2011, 10:13:42 AM
Quote from: beer baron on June 20, 2011, 08:33:46 PM
Carberry doing the business this evening!  :)

Carberry must read this thread and wanted revenge. :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Cáthasaigh on June 21, 2011, 01:59:12 PM
Fair play to whomever mentioned St Devote last night as it led to me discovering Paul Carberry was on a horse called 'Casey Top'. I got 11/2 on him in Toals but after reading some of the comments in this thread decided to back him again on Betfair. I put £10 e/w on a at about 9 or 10s but only ended up getting £55 odd back on it. The way you don't get the price showing when you place a bet there is balls. An E/W bet placed at 14 or 15 could end up costing you money for a place the way some of them come in before the off. I would have lost money myself had Carberry only placed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 21, 2011, 04:58:30 PM
fancy hired hand in the 1st @ ballinrobe 2nte
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 21, 2011, 05:24:39 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 21, 2011, 04:58:30 PM
fancy hired hand in the 1st @ ballinrobe 2nte

No time wasters on the thread please!!!  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 21, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
As much as I like to see Charles O'Brien doing well, I have to say that Hired Hound is a wretched creature for one so beautifully bred.

I had a little e/w bet on him on his debut in a bumper at the Punchestown Festival two years ago, purely on the strength of his pedigree. He ran so wide off the bend turning in that he was nearly galloping down Naas main street. His attitude doesn't look to have improved since then.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 21, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Uncle Taffy to win by under 7 lengths tonight in the 7.55 is my bet. 7/4 and his 6lb penalty might make it that small bit harder for him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 21, 2011, 06:30:58 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 21, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Uncle Taffy to win by under 7 lengths tonight in the 7.55 is my bet. 7/4 and his 6lb penalty might make it that small bit harder for him.

I think Rassi Maguire might give him something to think about.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 21, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 21, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Uncle Taffy to win by under 7 lengths tonight in the 7.55 is my bet. 7/4 and his 6lb penalty might make it that small bit harder for him.

Theres a lot of money going on this.  McLean's has taken the decision to close this market already.  Unless everyone is using your tip :-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 21, 2011, 06:49:22 PM
They raced over at Ballinrobe last month over the same distance. Uncle Taffy won by 2 lengths to Rassi Maguire but in truth it was much easier than that and the 6 lb penalty should bring them closer together, but not enough so to oppose Uncle Taffy in my opinion. Though he probably will give him enough to think about that he doesn't break 7 lengths clear of him ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 21, 2011, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 21, 2011, 06:30:58 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 21, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Uncle Taffy to win by under 7 lengths tonight in the 7.55 is my bet. 7/4 and his 6lb penalty might make it that small bit harder for him.

I think Rassi Maguire might give him something to think about.

heard a bit of word 4 rassi last night have had the last 2 winners there so only need 2 get another 100 back to break even  :)
Title: Anois
Post by: drici on June 21, 2011, 07:30:37 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/cb19225c7d086761d2c47b4b552eb52f8ced847559ff98e2bf3f282323411ecb6g.jpg)
Title: Anois
Post by: drici on June 21, 2011, 07:57:28 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/bf17dbb11fabeb7fea83bd9326b0710c70a8d74defe527716cb14c0be9affb3b6g.jpg)
Title: Anois
Post by: drici on June 21, 2011, 08:29:40 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/54d73722d54fa93a6716d4755d28e80db05f8dc83b9bcd8150cd47c27ca000466g.jpg)
Title: Deireadh
Post by: drici on June 21, 2011, 09:03:55 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/2b25781f55984505b92c12c829d9fe02bfc982ffcfe6eb6b227be28a48c989f76g.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on June 23, 2011, 10:33:09 PM
Any of yous fellas know of any cheap hotels round Galway?? Just looking for hotels for racing week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on June 24, 2011, 08:04:58 AM
I think you will have a job on your hands there Armaghgael, did not RTE do a program on this last year with one ould wan saying that herself and the husband would look out the window and charge those arriving on the size of the car they were driving or how rich they looked.  Unless you go up around the far end of Spiddal and as far away from Oranmore as you can get you will be cleaned.

Look out for signs like this one.
(http://watermarked.cutcaster.com/cutcaster-photo-100125824-Run-down-hotel-sign.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 24, 2011, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 23, 2011, 10:33:09 PM
Any of yous fellas know of any cheap hotels round Galway?? Just looking for hotels for racing week

depends what ur looking for stayed in an apartment thas last 2 years 600 euro for the week 3 single beds but ya can put more people in if ya want on campbeds etc and cook ur own breakfast 15min walk to racecourse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 24, 2011, 11:08:34 PM
Great to see the old warrior Famous Name rack up another success at the Curragh tonight. Would love to see him win a Group 1 somewhere before the year is out.

Hard to look past Midday in the Pretty Polly tomorrow. Her form against St Nicholas Abbey is rock solid and as long as Queally doesn't have another brain fart it should be straightforward. The 5/6 available early on in the week will probably look fairly generous tomorrow.

Crowd on Derby day will be well down with all us local tally-ho brigade decamping to the big smoke for the match in our Range Rovers. Don't think there's a great punting angle to be had on the race especially with the rain bucketing down. I hope Carlton House doesn't win (Moore & Stoute are grumpy cranks and the west-Brit crowd will be nauseating). Also hope Native Khan doesn't win after the whole Fallon affair before Epsom. Ballydoyle/Coolmore's domination of the whole season is growing tiresome and the last thing the Irish Derby needs is another sub standard Ballydoyle winner. Here's hoping either Dunboyne Express or Notable Graduate can spring a surprise for the local trainers so - if the ground turned heavy I'd actually give the latter a squeak.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 24, 2011, 11:59:30 PM
Midday & Times Up in a double DH?? Try n squeeze a bit more value?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on June 25, 2011, 12:12:15 PM
Short a few euros this weekend so anyone have any decent info to help get me out for a few drinks tonight?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on June 25, 2011, 01:33:58 PM
Well DH any tips today?  What about Northumberland plate?

Did High Office and English Summer myself, both ew.  Both the value scope picks in Daily Mirror (guy who writes for it is very good).  Toals paying first 5
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on June 25, 2011, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on June 25, 2011, 12:12:15 PM
Short a few euros this weekend so anyone have any decent info to help get me out for a few drinks tonight?

Stay away from horses and put Laois and Meath in a double. Should double your money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 25, 2011, 04:02:01 PM
Read the daily mirror side notes... Some shooting!!! :-O
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 25, 2011, 04:22:33 PM
Read the daily mirror side notes... Some shooting!!! :-O
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 25, 2011, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 25, 2011, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on June 25, 2011, 12:12:15 PM
Short a few euros this weekend so anyone have any decent info to help get me out for a few drinks tonight?

Stay away from horses and put Laois and Meath in a double. Should double your money.

easyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 26, 2011, 01:33:33 PM
Hearing good things about Bolgers in the 2.40? Source is in Cork, usually not far away... But as per usual do with this what u wish!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on June 26, 2011, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 26, 2011, 01:33:33 PM
Hearing good things about Bolgers in the 2.40? Source is in Cork, usually not far away... But as per usual do with this what u wish!!

See bet 365 paying first 6 so prob worth an ew shot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 28, 2011, 03:10:14 PM
Here's an update on Peter Toole (http://www.lovetheraces.com/voices-of-the-races/william/blog-articles/ireland-to-see-peter-toole/?voice_tab=blog), from David Crosse's blog (a couple of weeks old). Seems he's making good progress.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on June 28, 2011, 03:13:54 PM
That's great news.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 30, 2011, 12:35:51 AM
The eclipse stakes has a bit of potential to be a cracker this week. We will find So You Think's true credentials this weekend coming up against a fresh Workforce who won at Sandown earlier in the year, and Snow Fairy looks set to run as well.

If SYT comes on as O'Brien anticipated surely he won't be far away. Ascot was only 2 weeks ago and it is a possibility the defeat to Rewilding may have taken a bit out of him and Saturday could be too soon. Or it could be that the run at Ascot wil bring SYT up to speed if O'Brien is to be believed, though from reading this board whether that is a reliable tactic remains to be seen. SYT too short at the prices and Workforce will be fresh and bound to run a big race. Alot may depend on the ground, if the ground is quick and Workforce handles the flat spots I would fancy him to come out on top. I think it is too close to call and I will be backing neither,but if I was pushed between the two it would be Workforce for me.

I will be backing Snow Fairy e/w. On oddschecker best price is 8/1 with Coral also paying 1/4 odds to THREE places. A filly who had a sensational season last year, a lot depends on how she recovers from injury but surely there is value at 8/1, especially at 3 places.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on June 30, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: attheraces on June 30, 2011, 12:35:51 AM
The eclipse stakes has a bit of potential to be a cracker this week. We will find So You Think's true credentials this weekend coming up against a fresh Workforce who won at Sandown earlier in the year, and Snow Fairy looks set to run as well.

If SYT comes on as O'Brien anticipated surely he won't be far away. Ascot was only 2 weeks ago and it is a possibility the defeat to Rewilding may have taken a bit out of him and Saturday could be too soon. Or it could be that the run at Ascot wil bring SYT up to speed if O'Brien is to be believed, though from reading this board whether that is a reliable tactic remains to be seen. SYT too short at the prices and Workforce will be fresh and bound to run a big race. Alot may depend on the ground, if the ground is quick and Workforce handles the flat spots I would fancy him to come out on top. I think it is too close to call and I will be backing neither,but if I was pushed between the two it would be Workforce for me.

I will be backing Snow Fairy e/w. On oddschecker best price is 8/1 with Coral also paying 1/4 odds to THREE places. A filly who had a sensational season last year, a lot depends on how she recovers from injury but surely there is value at 8/1, especially at 3 places.

Took a look on pp - snow fairy not on the prices???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 30, 2011, 12:15:57 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on June 30, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: attheraces on June 30, 2011, 12:35:51 AM
The eclipse stakes has a bit of potential to be a cracker this week. We will find So You Think's true credentials this weekend coming up against a fresh Workforce who won at Sandown earlier in the year, and Snow Fairy looks set to run as well.

If SYT comes on as O'Brien anticipated surely he won't be far away. Ascot was only 2 weeks ago and it is a possibility the defeat to Rewilding may have taken a bit out of him and Saturday could be too soon. Or it could be that the run at Ascot wil bring SYT up to speed if O'Brien is to be believed, though from reading this board whether that is a reliable tactic remains to be seen. SYT too short at the prices and Workforce will be fresh and bound to run a big race. Alot may depend on the ground, if the ground is quick and Workforce handles the flat spots I would fancy him to come out on top. I think it is too close to call and I will be backing neither,but if I was pushed between the two it would be Workforce for me.

I will be backing Snow Fairy e/w. On oddschecker best price is 8/1 with Coral also paying 1/4 odds to THREE places. A filly who had a sensational season last year, a lot depends on how she recovers from injury but surely there is value at 8/1, especially at 3 places.

Took a look on pp - snow fairy not on the prices???

She is running Radda just seen on Sky Sports. On Oddschecker it say Snow Fairy is available at 7/1 on PP according to it. Any hopes of 3 places have been dashed with Cape Blanco/Jan Vermeer and Alexander Pope being ruled out today. Pretty disappointing that there will only be a field of five.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 30, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Markets still showing paying 3 places even with the 5 horses...Would Ante Post bet still be subject to Rule 4 even after declarations?

Snow Fairy is the only horse that seems to offer value.  SYT being odds on would probably prefer softer ground and longer distance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 30, 2011, 02:05:21 PM
McLeans on website were showing 3 places with 5 runners - just called them to place the bet and they are only paying 2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 30, 2011, 02:37:10 PM
Anyone think its worth following Gordon Elliot for rest of day at Perth? He normally has a few winners at the track!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 30, 2011, 02:47:45 PM
Heard word for Butler in the 5pm at Haydock. Source is a bit of an unknown quantity though they got me Cheltenian in the Champion Bumper. Usual terms apply, no guarantees etc.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 30, 2011, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 30, 2011, 02:47:45 PM
Heard word for Butler in the 5pm at Haydock. Source is a bit of an unknown quantity though they got me Cheltenian in the Champion Bumper. Usual terms apply, no guarantees etc.

have heard it also about butler . manger hanagment elliots best chance of a winner 2day @ perth  also think steps 2 freedom will win the 9-05 @ leop with the mullins horse being the danger
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on June 30, 2011, 07:25:44 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 30, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Markets still showing paying 3 places even with the 5 horses...Would Ante Post bet still be subject to Rule 4 even after declarations?

Snow Fairy is the only horse that seems to offer value.  SYT being odds on would probably prefer softer ground and longer distance.

Rule 4 never applies to any ante-post markets, whether final declarations have been made or not.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on June 30, 2011, 09:07:20 PM
So You Think will show his true colours in the Eclipse.  8)

Clash of the heavyweights I know but So You Think is a champion, and I have said so all along since his arrival in the Northern Hemisphere. Not about to renege now.

What I will say though is that I am surprised he is running here. I was sure that this was the race for Cape Blanco but they chose to run him in the Queen Anne - which may have had a disenchanting effect - rather than come straight here.

I was completely taken by Snow Fairy's win in Hong Kong last year. But I'd be concerned that she may just need the run on Saturday. Sir Putra and Confront are good horses taking potentially great horses so can't have either of them. Leaving just Workforce to beat.

Over ten furlongs, I am confident So You Think is the better horse. The stiff track as well as experience of it should advantage Workforce more, but don't think it will be enough.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 09:13:32 PM
Why was Steps To Freedom moved to Commonstown from Elliott's yard?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 30, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 09:13:32 PM
Why was Steps To Freedom moved to Commonstown from Elliott's yard?

I'm only making an assumption that there was a falling out because after the win in the bumper at Aintree Gordon was speaking of how he  was excited about next season and thought STF could tun into something a little bit special,i know if i had a horse with plenty of potential i'd be in no rush to remove it from the Elliott yard!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 30, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 30, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 09:13:32 PM
Why was Steps To Freedom moved to Commonstown from Elliott's yard?

I'm only making an assumption that there was a falling out because after the win in the bumper at Aintree Gordon was speaking of how he  was excited about next season and thought STF could tun into something a little bit special,i know if i had a horse with plenty of potential i'd be in no rush to remove it from the Elliott yard!

that is not the reason i
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 11:52:16 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 30, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 30, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 09:13:32 PM
Why was Steps To Freedom moved to Commonstown from Elliott's yard?

I'm only making an assumption that there was a falling out because after the win in the bumper at Aintree Gordon was speaking of how he  was excited about next season and thought STF could tun into something a little bit special,i know if i had a horse with plenty of potential i'd be in no rush to remove it from the Elliott yard!

that is not the reason i

If they want to go handicapping on the level then moving Jessie's isn't a bad decision but if they're serious about a novice hurdle campaign, it seems odd to move him from Elliot's. I wouldn't be a big fan of some of the lads riding for Jessie over jumps recently. It's a pity Tommy Treacy doesn't get more opportunities because he's been one of the most underrated riders in this country for the past fifteen years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on July 01, 2011, 01:05:22 PM
Got a word for Custodian at the 6.40 in wexford. Was at 14s down to 6 now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 01, 2011, 01:23:36 PM
Quote from: ludermor on July 01, 2011, 01:05:22 PM
Got a word for Custodian at the 6.40 in wexford. Was at 14s down to 6 now.

Bit of a plunge by the looks of it 11/4 on PP now  :o Anyone know is Barretts known as a gambling stable?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on July 01, 2011, 05:23:05 PM
Beau Amadeus 7.55 Bellewstown. Each way but hurry. 5-1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: armagho9 on July 01, 2011, 06:37:55 PM
Quote from: boojangles on July 01, 2011, 05:23:05 PM
Beau Amadeus 7.55 Bellewstown. Each way but hurry. 5-1.

Word for it or just your own fancy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 02, 2011, 01:30:39 PM
kimbali 2 25 beverly
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 02, 2011, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 11:52:16 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 30, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 30, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 09:13:32 PM
Why was Steps To Freedom moved to Commonstown from Elliott's yard?

I'm only making an assumption that there was a falling out because after the win in the bumper at Aintree Gordon was speaking of how he  was excited about next season and thought STF could tun into something a little bit special,i know if i had a horse with plenty of potential i'd be in no rush to remove it from the Elliott yard!

that is not the reason i

If they want to go handicapping on the level then moving Jessie's isn't a bad decision but if they're serious about a novice hurdle campaign, it seems odd to move him from Elliot's. I wouldn't be a big fan of some of the lads riding for Jessie over jumps recently. It's a pity Tommy Treacy doesn't get more opportunities because he's been one of the most underrated riders in this country for the past fifteen years.

dont want to post wat happened but it has nothing 2 do with the horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 02, 2011, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 02, 2011, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 11:52:16 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 30, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 30, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2011, 09:13:32 PM
Why was Steps To Freedom moved to Commonstown from Elliott's yard?

I'm only making an assumption that there was a falling out because after the win in the bumper at Aintree Gordon was speaking of how he  was excited about next season and thought STF could tun into something a little bit special,i know if i had a horse with plenty of potential i'd be in no rush to remove it from the Elliott yard!

that is not the reason i

If they want to go handicapping on the level then moving Jessie's isn't a bad decision but if they're serious about a novice hurdle campaign, it seems odd to move him from Elliot's. I wouldn't be a big fan of some of the lads riding for Jessie over jumps recently. It's a pity Tommy Treacy doesn't get more opportunities because he's been one of the most underrated riders in this country for the past fifteen years.

dont want to post wat happened but it has nothing 2 do with the horse

Wouldn't mind a PM if you dont mind?No worries if you don't!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 03, 2011, 12:57:25 PM
DH or anyone any fancies 2day?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 03, 2011, 01:05:59 PM
Quote from: Candyman on July 03, 2011, 12:57:25 PM
DH or anyone any fancies 2day?

My tip is if you're not watching the football/hurling or the tennis, get the special from Busaras to Bellewstown. Rubbish racing, but a lovely spot, a great day out and the best of crack. If you're having a bet, there's a track bias, with low draw numbers favoured in the mile races.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 03, 2011, 01:09:11 PM
Are u mad??? If I went to Bellewstown I wouldn't been seen til about Tuesday...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 03, 2011, 04:00:51 PM
I'd be waiting for the July meet at Newmarket next week. Interesting to see if Misty For Me will run in the Falmouth after dotting up at the Curragh last weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 04, 2011, 03:02:20 PM
fav in the 1st and last race @ roscommon also quest for peace in the 8-00 worth a few quid on a good run so hopefully it dosnt end 2day  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 04, 2011, 06:10:19 PM
sum drift on the 1st 1 but a winner is a winner  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 04, 2011, 06:59:10 PM
isis song worth a couple of quid in the 7-00 roscommon
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 04, 2011, 09:08:27 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on July 04, 2011, 03:02:20 PM
fav in the 1st and last race @ roscommon also quest for peace in the 8-00 worth a few quid on a good run so hopefully it dosnt end 2day  :) :) :)
2 out3  aint bad and the odds on shot gets beat
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 06, 2011, 10:33:19 AM
I think Glanusk 8.00 Naas is worth a small bet today,finished behind Joe eile and Jambalaya 2 runs back but ran into all sorts of trouble that day and tries blinkers today for the 1st time,i reckon he has the beating of them 2 anyway,haven't looked at it in much depth so just depends what the others are like!
Title: Uimhir a Seacht
Post by: drici on July 06, 2011, 01:15:40 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/434e747323b1e6c69cbac28da2b6e4b10dfd8f46352b156f4affd5df91f712616g.jpg)




(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/90ff607dd93df41ae619d2f54d28a36ae782c6918f4490c565bac29244ce8df46g.jpg)
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/690ee21e1b8d5495c4a59eaaca3d4e820cfc92e5e6b2b0bf78a5f0a39f439cbf6g.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 06, 2011, 03:07:20 PM
Very risky strategy punting in the low grade domestic stuff in the next few weeks. Most yards will be getting a nice easy 'prep' into their intended Galway runners.

No Misty For Me in the Falmouth on Friday which is disappointing. It looks a very winnable Group 1 at a mile against the older fillies. It certainly looks an easier task than the Oaks at the Curragh. They might be waiting for the Nassau at Goodwood given how impressive she was over 10f last time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 08, 2011, 08:37:27 AM
Cork 8.25 Realt den Cathair expected to go very close and think Ravensbury's the main danger,no prices yet but they're thinking it should be about 7/2,from one of the owners not the trainer so don't be going mad on it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 08, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
Right folks, a lurker on this board gave word for this yesterday... Whats the thoughts?

Newmarket 2.25
Inetrobil 6/1

Title: 3-00
Post by: drici on July 08, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 13, 2011, 06:34:21 PM

Timepiece 740 Warwick


Wins and follows up at 16/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on July 08, 2011, 03:06:51 PM
Just watched it :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 08, 2011, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: beer baron on July 08, 2011, 08:37:27 AM
Cork 8.25 Realt den Cathair expected to go very close and think Ravensbury's the main danger,no prices yet but they're thinking it should be about 7/2,from one of the owners not the trainer so don't be going mad on it!

good chance alright but Ravensbury  1 ¾L behind hidden cyclone looks good also
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 08, 2011, 08:48:16 PM
Ah the joy of gamblin! ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 09, 2011, 10:08:44 AM
DH the "Guru" or anyone else have any fancies today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Final Whistle on July 09, 2011, 03:04:04 PM
any opinions on the 3.35 at newmarket especially delegater riden by dettorri?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 11, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
Robbie Mc Namara was in a pub a friend works in a few weeks back,apparently he was very sweet on Galileos choices chances at Galway.No clue what day or what race he's in but might be worth keeping an eye for!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 11, 2011, 09:44:37 PM
BB

If you find out anymore about the horse (Day/Race) will you post it?? Cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2011, 10:37:22 PM
He's one of Smurfit's horses with DK. Won't be much of a price whatever race he's in.

Galway Hurdle and Plate weights were released today. Captain Cee Bee off a mark of 146 in the hurdle - would carry under 11 stone if Overturn runs  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on July 11, 2011, 10:49:36 PM
needed laganbank to win by more than 2.5lenghts in the 9.00 killarney for a good trebel,and yous guessed it just checked the result and it won by exactly 2.5lenghts :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 13, 2011, 06:37:17 PM
Walsh out of action until Listowel at the earliest after suffering a crushed vertebrae in a fall at Killarney last night.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on July 15, 2011, 12:57:31 PM
Byronic hero 11/4 6:35 pontefract
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 15, 2011, 06:42:25 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on July 15, 2011, 12:57:31 PM
Byronic hero 11/4 6:35 pontefract

very unlucky  De Sousa who was riding the fav is in flying form at the moment
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 15, 2011, 06:42:49 PM
FCUK!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on July 15, 2011, 06:45:22 PM
Yip the de sousa lad does it again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 16, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
Right lads won this weeks free bet in the local... Give me a "goodthing" so I can get a few quid back off them? DH BB, ANY1? ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 17, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2011, 10:37:22 PM
He's one of Smurfit's horses with DK. Won't be much of a price whatever race he's in.

Galway Hurdle and Plate weights were released today. Captain Cee Bee off a mark of 146 in the hurdle - would carry under 11 stone if Overturn runs  :o

Captain cee bee Getting well backed today at Tipp!Geraldines lass is out to win again today in the 5.50 at the Curragh,whether she's good enough is another question,she's done me well anytime ive backed her before so ive had few pound e/w again at 8's!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 17, 2011, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: beer baron on July 17, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2011, 10:37:22 PM
He's one of Smurfit's horses with DK. Won't be much of a price whatever race he's in.

Galway Hurdle and Plate weights were released today. Captain Cee Bee off a mark of 146 in the hurdle - would carry under 11 stone if Overturn runs  :o

Captain cee bee Getting well backed today at Tipp!Geraldines lass is out to win again today in the 5.50 at the Curragh,whether she's good enough is another question,she's done me well anytime ive backed her before so ive had few pound e/w again at 8's!

Nicely done. Would be madness going for the Plate rather than the Hurdle though IMO.

Big race coming up now. Nice e/w price about the Epsom winner but Murtagh had an absolute shocker on the Aga's horse in the last race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 17, 2011, 03:53:14 PM
Great ride from Dettori. Still the man for the big occasion.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 18, 2011, 05:06:27 PM
A bit late with this and I don't know connections personally, but they are horsing into Last Destination, 7:30, Beverley. They say it will win. In from 16/1 to 4/1, so value may be gone at this stage, but for what it's worth ....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on July 18, 2011, 07:33:13 PM
Wins well,some one defo made money there then,well done whoever did i chose 2 watch just lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 18, 2011, 07:34:51 PM
Good shout hardy,only threw a tenner on at 3/1 but sure itll cover a game of cards this evening  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Galway Races next week already?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Galway Races next week already?

Galway encapsulates almost everything that is wrong with Irish racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on July 19, 2011, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Galway Races next week already?

Galway encapsulates almost everything that is wrong with Irish racing.

In what way DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 19, 2011, 11:53:25 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 19, 2011, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Galway Races next week already?

Galway encapsulates almost everything that is wrong with Irish racing.

In what way DH?

Plot horses not trying all year just for the day out for the owners winning at Galway  ;) Big crowds gathered for Dross whereas Punchestown Curragh etc. have smaller crowds for better racing etc.

I'd say it could be something along them lines..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2011, 12:26:21 AM
Quote from: Minder on July 19, 2011, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Galway Races next week already?

Galway encapsulates almost everything that is wrong with Irish racing.

In what way DH?

I'd refer you to the riding of The Real Article at Limerick Junction on Sunday:

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TIP_2011_07_17_03_1535&vaff=16 (http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TIP_2011_07_17_03_1535&vaff=16)

Does he resent the stick or will the rider give him a few cracks if he's still travelling going into the dip in the Galway Hurdle? I wonder....

*btw, I had a small few bob on Captain Cee Bee so I'm not pocket talking here
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 20, 2011, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2011, 12:26:21 AM
Quote from: Minder on July 19, 2011, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Galway Races next week already?

Galway encapsulates almost everything that is wrong with Irish racing.

In what way DH?

I'd refer you to the riding of The Real Article at Limerick Junction on Sunday:

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TIP_2011_07_17_03_1535&vaff=16 (http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TIP_2011_07_17_03_1535&vaff=16)

Does he resent the stick or will the rider give him a few cracks if he's still travelling going into the dip in the Galway Hurdle? I wonder....

*btw, I had a small few bob on Captain Cee Bee so I'm not pocket talking here

Had few Euro on Captain Cee Bee myself and was sure i was beaten!Was a very handy ride given to real article to say the least!I think i read somewhere that the race could be looked at again,you hear anything Dh or can anything be done,you'd be a lot more knowledgeable than i would?

P.S how do you get specific race links from attheraces copied and pasted all i ever can copy is the videoconsole itself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2011, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: beer baron on July 20, 2011, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2011, 12:26:21 AM
Quote from: Minder on July 19, 2011, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Galway Races next week already?

Galway encapsulates almost everything that is wrong with Irish racing.

In what way DH?

I'd refer you to the riding of The Real Article at Limerick Junction on Sunday:

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TIP_2011_07_17_03_1535&vaff=16 (http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TIP_2011_07_17_03_1535&vaff=16)

Does he resent the stick or will the rider give him a few cracks if he's still travelling going into the dip in the Galway Hurdle? I wonder....

*btw, I had a small few bob on Captain Cee Bee so I'm not pocket talking here

Had few Euro on Captain Cee Bee myself and was sure i was beaten!Was a very handy ride given to real article to say the least!I think i read somewhere that the race could be looked at again,you hear anything Dh or can anything be done,you'd be a lot more knowledgeable than i would?

P.S how do you get specific race links from attheraces copied and pasted all i ever can copy is the videoconsole itself.

Well he ran a Supreme Novices Hurdle winner to a short head giving him 4lbs under a hands and heels ride and now he'll run off a mark of 127 at Galway! Had he won on Sunday he'd have incurred a penalty. The Turf Club should have banned the horse for sixty days because that ride stank. However, given who he is trained by you can be sure that in the unlikely event of any punishment, it will merely be the token slap on the wrists (i.e. make it look less obvious next time)!

I've experience on both sides of the running rail in racing so I feel I am in a decent position to offer a balanced opinion and I'm of the belief that racing in Ireland is slowly going down the tubes. The bookmakers have far too much power. The only way forward IMO would be to adopt the French tote only model but given how powerful the vested interests are (like in every other sector in this country it seems) it will never happen.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 20, 2011, 06:14:41 PM
Sizeable bet put on in my local for the fav at Leicester 6.15...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 20, 2011, 06:34:06 PM
Some craic that!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 20, 2011, 07:00:41 PM
What happened?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 20, 2011, 07:58:47 PM
Well beaten!! Enough said...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on July 21, 2011, 10:13:27 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2011, 12:26:21 AM
Quote from: Minder on July 19, 2011, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Galway Races next week already?

Galway encapsulates almost everything that is wrong with Irish racing.

In what way DH?

I'd refer you to the riding of The Real Article at Limerick Junction on Sunday:

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TIP_2011_07_17_03_1535&vaff=16 (http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=TIP_2011_07_17_03_1535&vaff=16)

Does he resent the stick or will the rider give him a few cracks if he's still travelling going into the dip in the Galway Hurdle? I wonder....

*btw, I had a small few bob on Captain Cee Bee so I'm not pocket talking here

Brian O Connor tells it like it is ...

http://www.irishracing.com/blog/blog/2011/07/18/the-will-to-act/




Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on July 25, 2011, 10:00:13 AM
I am going to throw a few quid at Nina for top jumps jockey at Galway at 25/1 . There are quite a few races that the professionals dont ride in and Robbie Mac won this last year by mopping up the bumpers for Weld. (Weld has said he has no suitable horses for bumpers this year) . Nina will probably get more rides in the professional races than the other boys/girls.

I suspect the main danger will probably be Paul Townend ( best price) 4/1 . Weld has booked Townend today so it looks like he will be his first choice when not retained by Willie Mullins.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 25, 2011, 10:04:35 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on July 25, 2011, 10:00:13 AM
I am going to throw a few quid at Nina for top jumps jockey at Galway at 25/1 . There are quite a few races that the professionals dont ride in and Robbie Mac won this last year by mopping up the bumpers for Weld. (Weld has said he has no suitable horses for bumpers this year) . Nina will probably get more rides in the professional races than the other boys/girls.

I suspect the main danger will probably be Paul Townend ( best price) 4/1 . Weld has booked Townend today so it looks like he will be his first choice when not retained by Willie Mullins.

Never believe a word DK says. He's one of the shrewdest hoors ever to train a horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Stevie g 8 on July 25, 2011, 02:28:35 PM
any tips for galway this week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 25, 2011, 02:51:27 PM
Avoid.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 25, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
The Turf Club has cancelled the inquiry into the running of The Real Article at Limerick Junction and the horse is free to run in the Galway Hurdle off his mark of 127: http://www.turfclub.ie/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Itemid=61 (http://www.turfclub.ie/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Itemid=61)

RIP Irish racing......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on July 26, 2011, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 25, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
The Turf Club has cancelled the inquiry into the running of The Real Article at Limerick Junction and the horse is free to run in the Galway Hurdle off his mark of 127: http://www.turfclub.ie/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Itemid=61 (http://www.turfclub.ie/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Itemid=61)

RIP Irish racing......

Sitting at 3/1 with PP at the min
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2011, 12:40:07 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 26, 2011, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 25, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
The Turf Club has cancelled the inquiry into the running of The Real Article at Limerick Junction and the horse is free to run in the Galway Hurdle off his mark of 127: http://www.turfclub.ie/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Itemid=61 (http://www.turfclub.ie/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Itemid=61)

RIP Irish racing......

Sitting at 3/1 with PP at the min

If this horse wins any little faith I might have had in the integrity of Irish racing will be gone out the window. I hope he gets stuffed out the gate but if the handicapper has it right then 3/1 is probably still a good value bet. I can't bring myself to back him at any price though because this whole affair stinks to high heaven.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on July 26, 2011, 09:28:02 AM
With Overturn not going and Bahrain Storm for plate ( presuming he gets in) I make revised weights for hurdle ...

(4:50) 187F Guinness Galway H'dle H'cap (Grade A)
€156,600.00 ( 2m - 4yo+ )[MAX 20]
NHFrm

4-331 3 Captain Cee Bee(146) (EPHarty) - . ........ 11,10
1-370 4 Gimli's Rock(139) (MrsJHarrington) - . ...    11,03
1-402 5 Hidden Universe(137) (DKWeld) - . ....... . 11,01
-2292 6 Son Amix (FR)(137) (TCooper) - . ........... 11,01
-13-8 7 Dirar(136) (GElliott) - . ........................... 11,00
12-26 8 Oilily(136) (SByrne) - . ........................... 11,00
981f3 9 Fosters Cross(135) (TMullins) - . .    ......... 10,13
pf-40 10 Deutschland (USA)(134) (WPMullins) -  ... 10,12
04111 11 Redera(133) (AJMartin) - . .................... 10,11
111-9 12 Silverhand(133) (NMeade) - . ................. 10,11
346-1 13 Moon Dice(130) (PWFlynn) - TJDoyle ...... 10,08
-2137 14 Tawaagg (GB)(130) (WPMullins) - . ......... 10,08
-1401 15 Plan A(134) (GElliott) - . ...................... . 10,06
1-312 16 The Real Article(127) (EJO'Grady) - . ......  10,05
96201 17 Action Master (GB)(126) (DTHughes) ....  10,04
-0-87 18 Silk Hall (UAE)(125) (JJLambe) - . ...........  10,03
56113 19 Street Entertainer(131) (DPipe (in GB))....10,03
17-21 20 Gudnis Gracious Me(124) (JFO'Shea) -....... 10,02
64161 29 [1] Alderwood(116) (TMullins) - . ............. 10,02
0-31 21 [2] Sublime Talent(123) (DKWeld) - . ...........10,01

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
54347 22 [3] Total Excitement(123) (TCooper) - . .... 10,01
25-10 23 [4] False Economy(122) (MHourigan) - . ...... 10,00
02123 24 [6] Idarah (USA)(122) (PCashman) - . ........ 10,00
1-452 25 [5] Inspector Clouseau(122) (WPMullins)...... 10,00


QuoteThe racecaller.com stats are :

The Arthur Guinness Galway Hurdle is the highlight of the fourth day of the Galway Festival which kicks off on Monday 25th July. A Grade A Handicap Hurdle run over 2 miles, it is always highly competitive but it has been a good race for punters recently with 4 of the last 5 winners being very well backed.


Below we take a look at the trends for the past 10 years:


Age (Win-Place-Runners)

4yo: 0-1-14

5yo: 3-8-49

6yo: 4-8-59

7yo: 1-9-46

8yo: 1-4-24

9yo: 1-0-8

10yo+: 0-0-8

Horses aged 5 or 6: 7-16-108

All other ages: 3-14-100



Weight (Win-Place-Runners)

Horses carrying 10-7 or more: 6-5-64

Horses carrying 10-6 or less: 4-25-144

Horses carrying 10-7+ have won 6 of the last 10 runnings despite only representing approximately 31% of the total runner. They have also accounted for 4 of the last 5 winners.

Top Weight: 030066P002 (0-2-10)

Horses carrying a penalty (1-4-9) have a decent record, gaining 1 win and 4 places from just 9 runners.



Official Ratings

Horses rated 131 or higher: 2-3-31

Horses rated 120 to 130: 7-18-124

Horses rated 119 or less: 1-9-53

7 of 10 winners were rated between 120 and 130, though they represented almost 60% of the total runners, so that is hardly a strong trend.

In recent years it has swung towards higher rated runners, with 3 of the last 4 winners being officially rated 130 or higher.



Recent/Past Form

9 of 10 winners won 1 of last 2 hurdles starts (exception was runner-up in previous year's Galway Hurdle on last hurdles start)

8 of 10 winners won or placed on their last hurdles start

10 of 10 winners posted highest hurdles RPR on one of last two starts

10 of 10 winners had run in no more than 15 hurdles

10 of 10 winners had won 2 to 4 times over hurdles

8 of 10 winners had run in 5 or fewer handicap hurdles

9 of 10 winners had no more than 2 handicap hurdles

8 of 10 winners were second or third season hurdlers

9 of 10 winners had won a hurdles race worth 7 to 13K (but no higher)

10 of 10 winners had run in last 55 days

5 of 10 winners had their previous start on the flat



Other Races

Previous season's winner (Overturn): PF02 (0-1-4)

Tree Care Hurdle winner (Oneeightofamile): 21 (1-1-2)

Three.ie Handicap Hurdle winner (Johnny McGeeney): 71300 (1-1-5)

Wellingtonbridge Novice Hurdle winner (Redera): 1 (1-0-1)

Ladbrokes H'cap Hurdle winner (Princeton Plains): 0040304 (0-3-7)

Grimes Hurdle winner (Captain Cee Bee): 662 (0-1-3)

www.thetote.com H'cap Hurdle winner (Jack Cool): 40P0 (0-1-4)

London Southend Airport EBF Handicap winner (Silk Hall): 06 (0-0-2)

Dolores Purcell Memorial Nov Hurdle winner (Oilily): 00 (0-0-2)

HotelMeyrick Novice Hurdle winner (Force Of Habit): 07 (0-0-2)

Gerry Igoe Land Drainage H'cap Hurdle winner (Redera): 05F (0-0-3)

3 of 10 winners ran in Three.ie handicap hurdle, finishing 413

3 of 10 winners ran in the UAE Handicap at Curragh, finishing 436

2 of 10 winners ran in Ladies Derby at Curragh, finishing 34

2 of 10 winners ran in the Ulster Derby, finishing 52

2 of 10 winners ran in previous year's race, finishing 20

5 of 10 winners had run in a flat or NH race at previous Festival



Trainers

Pat Flynn (1-1-2) has saddled Bahrain Storm to finish 1st and 2nd in the past 2 years.

Dermot Weld (1-1-13) and Noel Meade (1-1-18) have also both saddled the winner and a placed finisher in past 10 years.

Donald McCain (1-0-1) and John Kiely (1-0-2) have both trained the winner once in past 3 years.

Trainers who have saddled multiple placed runners in the past 10 years include Thomond O'Mara (0-2-3), Jessica Harrington (0-2-5), Dessie Hughes (0-2-5), Willie Mullins (0-2-5), Tony Martin (0-2-5) and Eddie O'Grady (0-2-6).

British based trainers (1-1-11) have gained 1 win and 1 place from their 11 runners.



Price

6 of 10 winners (4 of last 5) were priced 7/1 or shorter & came from the first 3 in the betting. However there have been some big upsets in this race too, with other 4 winners going off at 16/1, 14/1, 33/1 & 20/1.

Favourites (2-4-10) have won the race twice in the past 10 years giving a zero level stakes return.



Summary:

Based on trends from the past 10 years you are looking for a horse:

·         Aged 5 or 6

·         Carrying 10-7+

·         Horses carrying a penalty do well

·         Horses officially rated 130 or higher have done well recently

·         Won 1 of last 2 hurdles starts

·         Posted highest RPR in last 2 starts

·         Won or placed on last hurdles start

·         Run in past 55 days

·         Had previous run on flat (or finished in first 3 over hurdles)

·         Previously run in no more than 15 hurdles (winning 2 to 4)

·         Run in 5 or fewer handicap hurdles (winning no more than 2)

·         Ran at last year's Galway Festival





Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 26, 2011, 12:01:58 PM
Fancy Redera in the hurdle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on July 26, 2011, 12:12:05 PM
QuoteWARCROWN @ Goodwood, tuesday 16:20

Been told to get my money on this horse.. was told about a horse 2 week ago ladys first trained by richard fahey. it won 1st time out at 11/2.

this horse warcrown is owned by the same owner and supposedly a much better horse.

Got this tip through...Dont shoot the messagener
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 26, 2011, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: Muzz on July 26, 2011, 12:12:05 PM
QuoteWARCROWN @ Goodwood, tuesday 16:20

Been told to get my money on this horse.. was told about a horse 2 week ago ladys first trained by richard fahey. it won 1st time out at 11/2.

this horse warcrown is owned by the same owner and supposedly a much better horse.

Got this tip through...Dont shoot the messagener

Bad odds might double it up with: Sun Tzu 8.40 perth
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2011, 04:00:01 PM
Cracking ride on Requinto over at Goodwood by Wayne Lordan. Most underrated jock in Ireland at the moment IMO. Coolmore should be offering him the no1 job.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 26, 2011, 04:31:16 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2011, 04:00:01 PM
Cracking ride on Requinto over at Goodwood by Wayne Lordan. Most underrated jock in Ireland at the moment IMO. Coolmore should be offering him the no1 job.

Any fancys this evening DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on July 26, 2011, 04:37:32 PM
Warcrown still running...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 26, 2011, 04:38:28 PM
Quote from: Muzz on July 26, 2011, 04:37:32 PM
Warcrown still running...
[/quote

Seen that
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 26, 2011, 04:31:16 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2011, 04:00:01 PM
Cracking ride on Requinto over at Goodwood by Wayne Lordan. Most underrated jock in Ireland at the moment IMO. Coolmore should be offering him the no1 job.

Any fancys this evening DH?

I avoid Galway like the plague and the whole Real Articlegate puts a seal on it.

I've changed my tune from a few weeks ago and fancy Frankel to beat Canford Cliffs tomorrow. I don't know why but the 3yo allowance looks massively generous and is possibly something that should be looked at again. Maybe Nathaniel winning the King George is clouding my judgement but Strong Suit winning hard held today boosts the classic form again.

Just reading that HRI are moving the Irish Derby back to a Saturday - that's probably the best decision that joke of an organisation have agreed to in years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on July 26, 2011, 04:50:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2011, 04:00:01 PM
Cracking ride on Requinto over at Goodwood by Wayne Lordan. Most underrated jock in Ireland at the moment IMO. Coolmore should be offering him the no1 job.
A jockey I like to follow quite often, he has had a few marquee victories across the water this year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 26, 2011, 09:15:50 PM
Galileos choice is down to run in the 1st at Galway tomorrow,doesn't look like he'll be much of a price though,i'll be doubling him up with Canford Cliffs,should i take 11/8 on Canford in the morning or leave it SP?I've a feeling Frankel could get a big gamble which would hopefully get CC out to 13/8 or so  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on July 26, 2011, 11:17:29 PM
Roscommon, Kildare and Frankel looks the job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQajCQ1_BSA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQajCQ1_BSA)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 27, 2011, 03:14:47 PM
Wow! Another amazing performance by Frankel.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2011, 03:46:57 PM
Queally got it spot on today. Would love to see him at Leopardstown. I think Juddmonte will be keen to try him over 10f.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
They should give Ted his own talk show
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 27, 2011, 10:20:07 PM
Anyone know were i can watch Stars Go Racing??? Thanks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 28, 2011, 09:46:56 AM
It's awful shite. I should have known better, having an aversion to "reality" TV, but I decided to watch this for obvious reasons. Words fail me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 12:06:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
They should give Ted his own talk show

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/brolly-debate-rages-on-as-ted-walsh-has-a-pop-at-sunday-game-analyst-186642-Jul2011/?utm_source=shortlink (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/brolly-debate-rages-on-as-ted-walsh-has-a-pop-at-sunday-game-analyst-186642-Jul2011/?utm_source=shortlink)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 28, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 12:06:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
They should give Ted his own talk show

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/brolly-debate-rages-on-as-ted-walsh-has-a-pop-at-sunday-game-analyst-186642-Jul2011/?utm_source=shortlink (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/brolly-debate-rages-on-as-ted-walsh-has-a-pop-at-sunday-game-analyst-186642-Jul2011/?utm_source=shortlink)

Noticed that at the time fair play till him ;D

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 28, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
Any opinions on the hurdle DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 28, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
Any opinions on the hurdle DH?

If The Real Article wins (which he will if you believe Noel O'Brien's ratings) then the integrity of racing in Ireland has finally hit rock bottom.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 28, 2011, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 28, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
Any opinions on the hurdle DH?

If The Real Article wins (which he will if you believe Noel O'Brien's ratings) then the integrity of racing in Ireland has finally hit rock bottom.

Im stuck between Captain Cee Bee and Redera whats your views on these two?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AbbeySider on July 28, 2011, 02:05:49 PM
Has anyone any tips for Galway today or tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 02:38:54 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 28, 2011, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 28, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
Any opinions on the hurdle DH?

If The Real Article wins (which he will if you believe Noel O'Brien's ratings) then the integrity of racing in Ireland has finally hit rock bottom.

Im stuck between Captain Cee Bee and Redera whats your views on these two?

Captain Cee Bee is the class horse in the race by a country mile but shouldn't beat The Real Article on a strict interpretation of their Limerick Junction form. He's still a good e/w price because he'll love the ground and having won a Supreme Novices Hurdle won't be put off by the hustle and bustle of the big field.

I doubt Redera has any more improvement left in him off a mark of 133 but you could never write Martin off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 28, 2011, 02:56:15 PM
A did Redera before a seen your reply :-\ :-\ But as you say you cant write him off. I was reading Davy Russells article in the star and he thinks he will be in the shake-up. Hopefuly anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 05:22:39 PM
Great win for Paul Flynn. Was a fine young jockey about ten years ago when he was champion conditional in England for Philip Hobbs. He rode What's Up Boys to win a Coral Cup and a Hennessy. Think he's originally from up Maynooth/Celbridge direction.

Just delighted that The Real Article got beat.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 28, 2011, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 05:22:39 PM
Great win for Paul Flynn. Was a fine young jockey about ten years ago when he was champion conditional in England for Philip Hobbs. He rode What's Up Boys to win a Coral Cup and a Hennessy. Think he's originally from up Maynooth/Celbridge direction.

Just delighted that The Real Article got beat.


In the exact same boat i backed CCB e/w so down a few quid but was delighted to see real article beaten and a syndicate going nuts in the parade for the winner was good too!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rois on July 28, 2011, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2011, 05:22:39 PM

Just delighted that The Real Article got beat.

I know nothing about horse racing but someone told me to bet on that horse, which I duly did.  £4 I'll never get back...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on July 29, 2011, 03:44:37 PM
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the Nassau Stakes tomorrow DH. I know you were keen on Misty for Me a few weeks ago allbeit in a different race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2011, 04:15:37 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on July 29, 2011, 03:44:37 PM
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the Nassau Stakes tomorrow DH. I know you were keen on Misty for Me a few weeks ago allbeit in a different race

She should win if you trust the form of the Pretty Polly at the Curragh. 9/4 looks a decent price too.

I don't think she'll have it as easy as it was at the Curragh though. Seámus dictated from the front that day and slipped the field but Cecil/Juddmonte have a pacemaker in for their filly this time. I'll probably back her but I won't be steaming in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on July 29, 2011, 05:52:51 PM
Paddy Power has 'Misty for me' as a non runner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2011, 06:01:13 PM
Ground has probably gone to quick for her. Probably wait for the Matron at Leopardstown now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on July 29, 2011, 06:19:01 PM
How duz the differing ground affect different horses in different ways? Is it just that some like soft or hard or is it weight or age. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2011, 08:01:16 PM
Some horses bend their knee significantly when galloping and they tend to hit the ground quite hard. Horses that do this prefer a bit of give in the ground because they will come back sore and jarred if they run on quick ground. A horse with more of a "daisy cutting" action will prefer quicker ground because they find it harder to skip out of heavy ground.

A horse's preference is largely dependent on its pedigree. A horse sired by Danehill would tend to have a preference for quicker ground whereas most Montjeus excel in softer conditions.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 29, 2011, 08:52:06 PM
Why you not post it before the race?? :P :P :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on July 29, 2011, 08:57:27 PM
Well its only a tip if it wins and if you happen to get anymore you know were to go first
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on July 29, 2011, 09:45:14 PM
DH, Might the real article have been turned into a rogue by  continual disappointments ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2011, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on July 29, 2011, 09:45:14 PM
DH, Might the real article have been turned into a rogue by  continual disappointments ?

I think all them Definite Article horses are a bitteen soft like their Daddy. They just don't seem to find that much when push comes to shove. He still should have beaten Captain Cee Bee down at Limerick Junction regardless of how he ran on Thursday.

Famous Name is running over in Germany today. Hopefully he can finally secure a long overdue Group 1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on August 01, 2011, 01:43:25 PM
Whats the next bit of racing your looking forward to DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on August 02, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
Whats ur take on the phoenix DH? Thinking of having a good bet on power @ 7/4. Have been impressed with him so far.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: adevvabr on August 02, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
To me Frederick Engels has been the most impressive two year old so far this year. He beat Roman Soldier (who power beat a neck in coventry) a lot more convincing that the winning margin the last time at Newmarket and if he was from one of the big yards he'd probably be joint favourite with Power. Looks a great price at 4/1, only negative for him is Aidan o' Briens record in the race!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 02, 2011, 11:06:06 PM
I haven't been following the flat that closely this season so I don't know a great deal about these 2yos. I haven't been that taken by Power. He looks like a horse that needs a bit further already. That said, he was supposed to be lame a few days before Ascot so that has to be taken into account when assessing his run in the Coventry.

The two 2yos I've been most impressed with are Camelot and Harbour View. It's a pity Born To Sea hasn't been ran yet - two of his half-brothers, Galileo and Black Sam Bellamy didn't race until the October of their 2yo career but Sea The Stars first saw a racetrack in July 2008.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on August 03, 2011, 10:39:38 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on July 29, 2011, 05:52:51 PM
Paddy Power has 'Misty for me' as a non runner
I had Midday backed - €15 at 11/4, but only got €43.88 back when he won (22% less than I thought I'd get).

I came on this thread to find out if there was a reason, and I'm presuming this is it. Is 22% correct - seems high, but I suppose Misty for Me was probably favourite when I placed my bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 04, 2011, 01:44:49 PM
Canford Cliffs retired to Coolmore. No major surprise there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on August 04, 2011, 07:03:07 PM
Got word in the 8.20 @ Sligo for Shore Wood. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 05, 2011, 05:32:17 PM
Tipp 6.15 group therapy,i reckon today could be his day has been runnin well over in England in good races and run into trouble a few times,only a few lengths behind Masamah last time out and he seems a nice sort so hopefully this boy's too good for sole power today! Johnny Murtagh was down to ride but think he's not available now anyone know who'll be getting the leg up?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on August 05, 2011, 05:43:13 PM
Latham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 05, 2011, 05:56:41 PM
Cheers hardy Keagans well able to ride a winner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 05, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
Group therapy no good today,keep him in the notebook,he's going to win soon,probably in a big field
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on August 05, 2011, 07:11:06 PM
Was told acushladear will win in the 7.50 tipp,wont be goin mad but will double it up with tyrone the mara
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 07, 2011, 12:06:27 PM
maybe and power double for me today  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 07, 2011, 01:41:36 PM
The money's coming for Gatepost at the Curragh today,watch his last run and judge for yourself just how many lengths he lost thanks to the 'ride' he was given in defeat to power! ::) I reckon he could reverse the form!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 12, 2011, 03:53:49 PM
Big week ahead on the flat racing front and could possibly be a Coolmore benefit looking at the entries.

Cape Blanco and Treasure Beach both look to hold strong claims over in Chicago tomorrow night in the Arlington Million and Secretariat Stakes respectively.

Some big runners at York next week too. I'm a massive fan of Await The Dawn and I suspect he's the best older horse at Ballydoyle. Surprised he's not odds on already for the Juddmonte. Seville is a cracking antepost bet for the Leger at the moment and I'd expect his price will be slashed after the Voltigeur. Requinto is supposedly going to be supplemented for the Nunthorpe by Wachman.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on August 12, 2011, 08:39:25 PM
Probably very foolish to go against you Donnelly but I really like the look of Midday in the Juddmonte. I was very impressed with her last time out and think she might take a lot of the beating and I think 7/2 could be value with Cecil in such good form!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 13, 2011, 12:01:36 AM
Midday is a good Group 1 mare but you need a really classy mare to beat the colts. In recent years only the likes of Zarkava, Goldikova and Ouija Board have managed it. I don't think Midday is that calibre of horse.

This may sound like a stupid statement to make at this point in time but I really think that Await The Dawn is the best older horse at Ballydoyle. I think there's a great chance he'll be rated higher than So You Think come the end of the season. He has been campaigned very sparingly and this race must have been the target for a while (a quick glance at his breeding suggests as much given the Juddmonte connection). He turned normally competitve heats like the Kilternan and the Huxley into processions and I was hugely impressed with him in the Hardwicke where the trip and ground were far from ideal. The second and third have since franked the form at Goodwood.

I'm talking him up big time considering he's still yet to race at Group 1 level but I think he will represent Coolmore's best chance in years of ending their Breeders Cup Classic hoodoo.

Just let Seámie ride the horse instead of Joseph.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on August 13, 2011, 07:37:03 AM
I think Dubawi Gold is a good each way bet at Newbury today. Murtagh on board.5-1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 13, 2011, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: boojangles on August 13, 2011, 07:37:03 AM
I think Dubawi Gold is a good each way bet at Newbury today. Murtagh on board.5-1.

No luck in running but doubt he'd have got to Excelebration's hind quarters. Another big compliment paid to Frankel.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on August 13, 2011, 10:02:24 PM
Anyone got a link to watch the racing at arlington?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 13, 2011, 10:45:17 PM
Just found this 1,hope its good

http://espn.go.com/horse/liveracing08.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on August 13, 2011, 11:50:55 PM
Cheers for that Beer Baron. Just watched the replays there. What a night for Ballydoyle and it also done my own bank balance no harm, again following the advice of Donnelly!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 14, 2011, 04:23:49 AM
(http://images.sportinglife.com/10/09/330/CapeBlanco_2498288.jpg)

(http://images.sportinglife.com/11/05/330/Treasure-Beach-Chester2_2593144.jpg)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on August 14, 2011, 02:17:22 PM
Next up?

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0Cmp6NLDcnAqEpmRJD-Ukrc_DabreoJ_8LARyr17cs9B6TREv)

(http://img.skysports.com/10/10/218x298/Seville-Doncaster_2519760.jpg)

(http://img.skysports.com/11/07/218x298/Requinto-Goodwood_2627037.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 15, 2011, 01:44:46 PM
Any opinion on the Deauville 2.55 race Dh?Looks a good race,Goldikova,Dick Turpin,Cityscape and then Andre Fabres unbeaten mutual trust that i haven't seen run yet,i'll probably back Goldikova and chance cityscape or Dick turpin with her for a small forecast!

This is unless you fancy 1,in that case i'll just listen to you  ;)

I see planteur that you fancied to run so you think close is running too...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on August 15, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 15, 2011, 01:44:46 PM
Any opinion on the Deauville 2.55 race Dh?Looks a good race,Goldikova,Dick Turpin,Cityscape and then Andre Fabres unbeaten mutual trust that i haven't seen run yet,i'll probably back Goldikova and chance cityscape or Dick turpin with her for a small forecast!

This is unless you fancy 1,in that case i'll just listen to you  ;)

I see planteur that you fancied to run so you think close is running too...

The head waiter on the hold up horse!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 15, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 15, 2011, 01:44:46 PM
Any opinion on the Deauville 2.55 race Dh?Looks a good race,Goldikova,Dick Turpin,Cityscape and then Andre Fabres unbeaten mutual trust that i haven't seen run yet,i'll probably back Goldikova and chance cityscape or Dick turpin with her for a small forecast!

This is unless you fancy 1,in that case i'll just listen to you  ;)

I see planteur that you fancied to run so you think close is running too...

Didn't even realise this race was on today! Shows how closely I've been following the flat this season.

Won't be long before the real stuff is back with Listowel now only one month away. I see that Graham Wylie is sending seven of his most promising younger horses over to Closutton so that should help ensure another winter of Mullins dominance.


Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 13, 2011, 12:01:36 AM
Just let Seámie ride the horse instead of Joseph.

Shouldn't have opened my trap  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 15, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
Did Willie get Tidal bay by any chance or is he gone to Nicholls,that's a horse that could win a good race if he gets his head right!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 15, 2011, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 15, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
Did Willie get Tidal bay by any chance or is he gone to Nicholls,that's a horse that could win a good race if he gets his head right!

Gone to Nicholls. I imagine he'll be racing primarily in staying chases and he's better off in England if that's the case where they have more of them in the calendar.

Willie got Back In Focus (Grade 2 novice hurdle winner last season), Boston Bob (promising p2p and bumper winner), Felix Yonger (ran down the field in Cheltenham bumper), On His Own (useful staying novice chaser last season), Prince De Beauchene (half-brother to Miko de Beauchene - possible future National horse), Drive Time (ex-Jim Bolger horse related to Strategic Prince) and Rupert Lamb (fairly moderate novice hurdler last season).

Nicholls might have got thirteen horses sent to him but I think Willie has done better out of the demise of Johnson's yard. Nicholls has been sent a fair few dogs but most of Willie's crop look decent. Back In Focus and Boston Bob will win good novice chases this winter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on August 16, 2011, 12:13:58 AM
Agree DH, bring on the real tests of equine prowess. Have watched no more than half a dozen flat races this season
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
Called York badly wrong today to my cost.

Hard luck with Midday ML. Looked to me that Queally hit the front too soon again like at Epsom.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 17, 2011, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
Called York badly wrong today to my cost.

Hard luck with Midday ML. Looked to me that Queally hit the front too soon again like at Epsom.


same as 

lightened the blow with mc coy in the last at hereford done it very easy but hard t know what it beat its a 5yo out of  Sadler's Wells  having it 1st run in a bumper
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 18, 2011, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on August 17, 2011, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
Called York badly wrong today to my cost.

Hard luck with Midday ML. Looked to me that Queally hit the front too soon again like at Epsom.


same as 

lightened the blow with mc coy in the last at hereford done it very easy but hard t know what it beat its a 5yo out of  Sadler's Wells  having it 1st run in a bumper

He's bred to be quite useful - Ballymacoll cast off, dam won a Ribblesdale and a Yorkshire Oaks, full-brother to Islington (who won two Yorkshire Oaks and a Breeders Cup Filly & Mare) and a half-brother to Mountain High (who won the Grand Prix at Saint Cloud a few years ago). That said, Rebecca Curtis also has another full-brother called Praxiteles who is a fairly moderate NH horse.

Wouldn't place too much faith in any horse running at Hereford. Willie Mullins' could send out the stable cat to win a bumper around there. Expect this horse to be running in JP's green and gold South Liberties silks when he starts over hurdles next time so!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on August 19, 2011, 09:33:32 AM
Hearing great things about Henry Cecil's 2yo Thomas Chippendale who is out for the first time today. Hard to say how he will go today but one for the notebooks for next year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 19, 2011, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on August 19, 2011, 09:33:32 AM
Hearing great things about Henry Cecil's 2yo Thomas Chippendale who is out for the first time today. Hard to say how he will go today but one for the notebooks for next year

I hope he hasn't inherited his mother's attitude. She was one of the most frustrating horses in recent seasons.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on August 19, 2011, 02:48:56 PM
I’ve been looking for trends for trainers in form. Having paper traded for a while, I started yesterday with real money, following Michael Bell (7 winners from his last 20 runners before yesterday, strike rate 35%, ROI of 106% to level stakes win bets) and Roger Charlton (10 winners from his last 20 runners, SR=50%, ROI=172%).

Last week, on paper, Bell delivered 19.44 points profit on 8 one-point each way bets and Charlton delivered 29.98 on 10 bets.

Yesterday I had four bets of one point e.w. and made a profit of 6.26 points on my investment of 8 (ROI =78%) when Set To Music won at 12 on Betfair, 1.81 for the place.

Today, Prompter has just been touched off by half a length into 3rd  in the 2:00 at York at 30 (!), 6.4 for the place.

The problem with hot yards is that you don’t know when the streak is over and you’ll lose some of whatever (if any) you make before you realise it’s time to pull out. Or at worst, you notice the trend only when it’s over and step in just in time to take the losses.

Anyway, for what it’s worth, Bell has Margot Did in the 3:40 at York (25 on Betfair) and Charlton has Bated Breath in the same race (9.4) and Newnton Lodge in the 3:15 at Sandown (7.8 ) .

(Sorry for not mentioning this before now, but I wanted to get my feet wet before inviting people in for a dip. And sorry in advance if now is when it ends.)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on August 19, 2011, 03:17:39 PM
Newnton Lodge wins. This is going quite well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on August 19, 2011, 03:42:19 PM
And Margot Did romps home.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on August 19, 2011, 03:44:45 PM
Thanks Hardy, whoop :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on August 19, 2011, 03:54:20 PM
FCUK SAKE!!!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 19, 2011, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 19, 2011, 02:48:56 PM
I've been looking for trends for trainers in form. Having paper traded for a while, I started yesterday with real money, following Michael Bell (7 winners from his last 20 runners before yesterday, strike rate 35%, ROI of 106% to level stakes win bets) and Roger Charlton (10 winners from his last 20 runners, SR=50%, ROI=172%).

Last week, on paper, Bell delivered 19.44 points profit on 8 one-point each way bets and Charlton delivered 29.98 on 10 bets.

Yesterday I had four bets of one point e.w. and made a profit of 6.26 points on my investment of 8 (ROI =78%) when Set To Music won at 12 on Betfair, 1.81 for the place.

Today, Prompter has just been touched off by half a length into 3rd  in the 2:00 at York at 30 (!), 6.4 for the place.

The problem with hot yards is that you don't know when the streak is over and you'll lose some of whatever (if any) you make before you realise it's time to pull out. Or at worst, you notice the trend only when it's over and step in just in time to take the losses.

Anyway, for what it's worth, Bell has Margot Did in the 3:40 at York (25 on Betfair) and Charlton has Bated Breath in the same race (9.4) and Newnton Lodge in the 3:15 at Sandown (7.8 ) .

(Sorry for not mentioning this before now, but I wanted to get my feet wet before inviting people in for a dip. And sorry in advance if now is when it ends.)

But have you anything for Kilbeggan tonight Hardy?

;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on August 19, 2011, 04:45:01 PM
Ha. I do fancy Ever Dreaming in the 6:35. Just a fancy, mind.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on August 19, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
Have you DH? ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 19, 2011, 06:30:54 PM
Quote from: Candyman on August 19, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
Have you DH? ;-)

The last time I took any interest in a card at Kilbeggan was when I was riding one in the bumper. It was an experience that I prefer not to dwell on!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: take_yer_points on August 25, 2011, 09:39:49 AM
Lads, I'm heading over to England this weekend and planning on going to Beverley races on Saturday? What sort of a spot is it? If anyone has any fancies for it I'd be delighted to hear them
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 25, 2011, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 25, 2011, 09:39:49 AM
Lads, I'm heading over to England this weekend and planning on going to Beverley races on Saturday? What sort of a spot is it? If anyone has any fancies for it I'd be delighted to hear them

It's a galloping stiff track so look for horses that have won previously over the race distance and preferably at the course.

Dubliner Robert Winston has a £22+ level stakes profit there over the past five seasons so he'd be a jockey to follow. The Silvestre de Sousa/Mark Johnston combination would also be worth following:

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/course_home.sd?crs_id=6#topCrsTabs=upcoming_races&bottomCrsTabs=statistics (http://www.racingpost.com/horses/course_home.sd?crs_id=6#topCrsTabs=upcoming_races&bottomCrsTabs=statistics)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 25, 2011, 08:48:20 PM
Sword Of Honour looks a bumper horse to follow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: take_yer_points on August 25, 2011, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 25, 2011, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 25, 2011, 09:39:49 AM
Lads, I'm heading over to England this weekend and planning on going to Beverley races on Saturday? What sort of a spot is it? If anyone has any fancies for it I'd be delighted to hear them

It's a galloping stiff track so look for horses that have won previously over the race distance and preferably at the course.

Dubliner Robert Winston has a £22+ level stakes profit there over the past five seasons so he'd be a jockey to follow. The Silvestre de Sousa/Mark Johnston combination would also be worth following:

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/course_home.sd?crs_id=6#topCrsTabs=upcoming_races&bottomCrsTabs=statistics (http://www.racingpost.com/horses/course_home.sd?crs_id=6#topCrsTabs=upcoming_races&bottomCrsTabs=statistics)

Cheers DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on August 27, 2011, 02:37:06 AM
Haven't really been on since before Goodwood since I have been away travelling. Only watched the Frankel vs. Canford Cliffs there tonight. My god he was impressive, Queally seems to have bucked up. When's Frankel for out next?

Is he better than Sea The Stars DH? :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on August 27, 2011, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: attheraces on August 27, 2011, 02:37:06 AMWhen's Frankel for out next?

QEII Stakes, Ascot, 15th October.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 27, 2011, 05:35:04 PM
good 2 see ballyholland back in the winners enclosure  :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 28, 2011, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: attheraces on August 27, 2011, 02:37:06 AM
Is he better than Sea The Stars DH? :o

At a mile he probably is. STS won a poorish Guineas - a 6f/7f horse in Delegator, and a half fit Rip Van Winkle and Mastercraftsman.

Frankel's form is just rock solid - he has beaten the likes of Treasure Beach, Excelebration, Dream Ahead, Nathaniel, Dubawi Gold who have all franked the form since.

Sea The Stars' greatness though was his versatility over a range of distances up to a mile and a half and his unflappable temperament. I don't think Frankel would win a Derby or an Arc and I also think he might have a small kink in him. That's not necessarily a bad thing because many of the greats aren't 100% mentally straightforward but Sea The Stars never turned a hair throughout the whole of his 3yo season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: take_yer_points on August 29, 2011, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 25, 2011, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 25, 2011, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 25, 2011, 09:39:49 AM
Lads, I'm heading over to England this weekend and planning on going to Beverley races on Saturday? What sort of a spot is it? If anyone has any fancies for it I'd be delighted to hear them

It's a galloping stiff track so look for horses that have won previously over the race distance and preferably at the course.

Dubliner Robert Winston has a £22+ level stakes profit there over the past five seasons so he'd be a jockey to follow. The Silvestre de Sousa/Mark Johnston combination would also be worth following:

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/course_home.sd?crs_id=6#topCrsTabs=upcoming_races&bottomCrsTabs=statistics (http://www.racingpost.com/horses/course_home.sd?crs_id=6#topCrsTabs=upcoming_races&bottomCrsTabs=statistics)

Cheers DH

Cheers for this info DH - certainly helped out with a few winners - had Oratory E/W in the 2nd (12/1) and Liberty Ship E/W in the 5th (11/1) both with Robert Winston on board - also made another few quid with Cool in the Shade (2/1) and Herrera (4/1)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 30, 2011, 10:54:40 PM
One of the biggest days in the domestic flat racing calendar fast approaching this Saturday and it's the Matron rather than the Champion Stakes that holds more appeal to me. It looks a real good punting race especially if you field against Misty For Me. I think she might have been a bit flattered at the Curragh and the step back in trip is not a positive. At the prices I think she's worth taking on. Emulous looks a tempting e/w bet at 5s. DK has been bringing her along steadily for an autumn campaign with this race and the Sun Chariot at Newmarket being her targets. She'll run a big race if there's a bit of dig in the ground.

The Champion Stakes should be a hack canter for So You Think but it really is a disappointing turnout especially considering some of the great renewals of the past - Fantastic Light v Galileo, Grandera v Hawk Wing, High Chaparral v Falbrav, Oratorio v Motivator v Alexander Goldrun, Dylan Thomas v Ouija Board, Sea The Stars. The race is worth €750,000 so it is an absolute mystery why more aren't having a cut at it.

Had a scan through tomorrow's cards and I notice Elliott and McCoy are teaming up with three horses tomorrow at Hereford. I normally wouldn't pay any attention to such a card but all three look to hold decent chances so they might be worth another look.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on August 31, 2011, 01:34:49 PM
3 Doubles and a treble done DH... I hope ur right!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on August 31, 2011, 03:31:57 PM
1st Horse Fell.

2nd Horse 2nd.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on August 31, 2011, 03:53:18 PM
3rd horse won.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 01, 2011, 03:06:30 AM
A comrade was waiting on 1 horse in a lucky 15 for 11k today!! It was nowhere... That would have been some weekend for him, first beating Cross in the championship and then enjoying his winnings even more!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 01, 2011, 12:31:41 PM
Elliott is back on the raid at Newton Abbott today. Manger Hanagement looking to follow up yesterday's chasing success in a novice hurdle and Russian War going over fences for the first time.

Some decent action at Salisbury. Hannon's 2yo filly has been very well backed. There was plenty of 3s available last night.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 01, 2011, 03:07:39 PM
That Russian War is some pig!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 01, 2011, 03:32:04 PM
Manger Hanagement on the other hand looks like a reincarnation of Carvills Hill!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 01, 2011, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: Candyman on September 01, 2011, 03:06:30 AM
A comrade was waiting on 1 horse in a lucky 15 for 11k today!! It was nowhere... That would have been some weekend for him, first beating Cross in the championship and then enjoying his winnings even more!! ;-)

I wonder is said comrade ready to go to war, jockey gave it a shocking ride Candy and pulled up for a 4th place when 3rd would have even doubled his doh!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 01, 2011, 11:59:14 PM
Spirit he had a nice relaxing 18 holes today... I'd say he's in the best shape of his last 5 seasons? ;-) Russian War was a disaster today!!! Oh and forgot to mention said comrade also got a wee treble up that evening also, paid 60/1!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on September 02, 2011, 08:02:52 PM
Brazabon tonight 8.50 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on September 02, 2011, 08:54:02 PM
absolute pig
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: m@yoman on September 03, 2011, 09:55:29 AM
Heading to Leopardstown later today...just looking through the card and it is going to be very hard to pick winners I think! anyone any fancy's?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Any angle on the big sprint today Hardy after your Nunthorpe success?

Wootton Bassett stands out at an e/w price for me. Could do with a shower or two though.

Ground is coming right for Emulous at Leopardstown. Really think she's a great e/w bet against the favourite. The beautifully bred Viscount Nelson should bounce back to form in the Kilternan but he's a skimpy enough price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 03, 2011, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Any angle on the big sprint today Hardy
There are no srong stats on it, DH. If it was a couple of weeks ago, I'd have been looking at the Charlton horses from the point of view of yards in form. At that stage he had nine winners from his previous 20 but the form seems to have petered out, with nothing but a couple of places from his last 18 and no winner since 19th August.

As you say, Wootton Bassett's fifteen-odd lengths behind Frankel at Ascot looks as good as anything in the race value-wise at 19.5 (Betfair) though that's a long layoff. Dream Ahead is eight lengths better on that form, but much shorter at 6.4.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 03:41:30 PM
Dream Ahead will be a serious sprinter when he matures a bit. Could have won that by three lengths if he hadn't ran around in front.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 03, 2011, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Ground is coming right for Emulous at Leopardstown. Really think she's a great e/w bet against the favourite.

Great call, DH. Didn't back her, but laid the fav.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 03, 2011, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Ground is coming right for Emulous at Leopardstown. Really think she's a great e/w bet against the favourite.

Great call, DH. Didn't back her, but laid the fav.

I thought she'd run a big race but I didn't expect her to bolt up like that. She'll probably only have one more run now at Newmarket and that will be it. I don't think there's anything for her in the States and she does like to get her toe in. I can't see them keeping her on as a 5yo now that she has a Group 1 to her name.

Great day for DK so far. Galileos Choice is going the right way and could be a very interesting horse if he's sent novice hurdling. The colt in the maiden had a nice introduction too. Looks a sure fire winner next time out.

Good start to a big month for Juddmonte. Sea Moon, Frankel and Workforce all with big chances in upcoming Group 1s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on September 03, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
Any fancies for tomorrow DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: Joxer on September 03, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
Any fancies for tomorrow DH?

I'll be keeping the powder dry for Doncaster and the Curragh next weekend now. Listowel looming large the week after too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on September 05, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: Joxer on September 03, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
Any fancies for tomorrow DH?

I'll be keeping the powder dry for Doncaster and the Curragh next weekend now. Listowel looming large the week after too.

Any thoughts as to the bumper tonight, was looking at that Sands cove Swan/Nina combo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 05, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: maddog on September 05, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2011, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: Joxer on September 03, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
Any fancies for tomorrow DH?

I'll be keeping the powder dry for Doncaster and the Curragh next weekend now. Listowel looming large the week after too.

Any thoughts as to the bumper tonight, was looking at that Sands cove Swan/Nina combo

The Roche horse will be hard bet. Not a price that tempts me though. I think it's significant that he ran second to another Roche horse on his last run for Jim Bolger. Sands Cove has a strange pedigree. The dam is by Danehill Dancer and won over 5f as a 2yo but she's out of Lunalae which is the family of Beef Or Salmon. He's an e/w price though if you fancy him in what doesn't look the strongest bumper.

Kiely's mare in the maiden hurdle looks an interesting recruit to hurdling. She bolted up in bumpers at Mallow and Galway and she was only four lengths off Galileos Choice at Killarney. That form looks very strong after Saturday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 05, 2011, 06:55:46 PM
Sands Cove is worth an e/w bet 2nte
Title: 7-35
Post by: drici on September 05, 2011, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: maddog on September 05, 2011, 03:57:22 PM

Any thoughts as to the bumper tonight, was looking at that Sands cove Swan/Nina



Easy for Nina at 9/2 in the heavy ground.
Title: Re: 7-35
Post by: bridge fan on September 05, 2011, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: drici on September 05, 2011, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: maddog on September 05, 2011, 03:57:22 PM

Any thoughts as to the bumper tonight, was looking at that Sands cove Swan/Nina



Easy for Nina at 9/2 in the heavy ground.

missed the 6s with bet 365 but 5s will do well  :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on September 05, 2011, 10:28:59 PM
There is a bookie here called Wilf Gilbert who will match the price on any event of about 6 of the leading high street/ on line bookies. bet365 went 6/1 so ew was a must. Good lass nina. Although it opened at 5/2 and drifted to 9/2 which looked iffy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 18, 2011, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on August 17, 2011, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
Called York badly wrong today to my cost.

Hard luck with Midday ML. Looked to me that Queally hit the front too soon again like at Epsom.


same as 

lightened the blow with mc coy in the last at hereford done it very easy but hard t know what it beat its a 5yo out of  Sadler's Wells  having it 1st run in a bumper

He's bred to be quite useful - Ballymacoll cast off, dam won a Ribblesdale and a Yorkshire Oaks, full-brother to Islington (who won two Yorkshire Oaks and a Breeders Cup Filly & Mare) and a half-brother to Mountain High (who won the Grand Prix at Saint Cloud a few years ago). That said, Rebecca Curtis also has another full-brother called Praxiteles who is a fairly moderate NH horse.

Wouldn't place too much faith in any horse running at Hereford. Willie Mullins' could send out the stable cat to win a bumper around there. Expect this horse to be running in JP's green and gold South Liberties silks when he starts over hurdles next time so!!!

Runs again today at Uttoxeter under a penalty. He's up against a 4 time p2p winner who is having his first run under rules but has been well backed this morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on September 07, 2011, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 18, 2011, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on August 17, 2011, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
Called York badly wrong today to my cost.

Hard luck with Midday ML. Looked to me that Queally hit the front too soon again like at Epsom.

same as 

lightened the blow with mc coy in the last at hereford done it very easy but hard t know what it beat its a 5yo out of  Sadler's Wells  having it 1st run in a bumper

He's bred to be quite useful - Ballymacoll cast off, dam won a Ribblesdale and a Yorkshire Oaks, full-brother to Islington (who won two Yorkshire Oaks and a Breeders Cup Filly & Mare) and a half-brother to Mountain High (who won the Grand Prix at Saint Cloud a few years ago). That said, Rebecca Curtis also has another full-brother called Praxiteles who is a fairly moderate NH horse.

Wouldn't place too much faith in any horse running at Hereford. Willie Mullins' could send out the stable cat to win a bumper around there. Expect this horse to be running in JP's green and gold South Liberties silks when he starts over hurdles next time so!!!

Runs again today at Uttoxeter under a penalty. He's up against a 4 time p2p winner who is having his first run under rules but has been well backed this morning.

Sorry which horse is running?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: take_yer_points on September 07, 2011, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on September 07, 2011, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 18, 2011, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on August 17, 2011, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
Called York badly wrong today to my cost.

Hard luck with Midday ML. Looked to me that Queally hit the front too soon again like at Epsom.

same as 

lightened the blow with mc coy in the last at hereford done it very easy but hard t know what it beat its a 5yo out of  Sadler's Wells  having it 1st run in a bumper

He's bred to be quite useful - Ballymacoll cast off, dam won a Ribblesdale and a Yorkshire Oaks, full-brother to Islington (who won two Yorkshire Oaks and a Breeders Cup Filly & Mare) and a half-brother to Mountain High (who won the Grand Prix at Saint Cloud a few years ago). That said, Rebecca Curtis also has another full-brother called Praxiteles who is a fairly moderate NH horse.

Wouldn't place too much faith in any horse running at Hereford. Willie Mullins' could send out the stable cat to win a bumper around there. Expect this horse to be running in JP's green and gold South Liberties silks when he starts over hurdles next time so!!!

Runs again today at Uttoxeter under a penalty. He's up against a 4 time p2p winner who is having his first run under rules but has been well backed this morning.

Sorry which horse is running?

Thespis Of Icaria I presume - 4/7 on betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2011, 03:32:21 PM
Wouldn't be encouraging anyone to punt that price for a second. I always keep an eye on the bumpers at this time of year for potential novice hurdlers for the winter.

Sword Of Honour is the best I've seen recently but he does seem to lack a bit of scope.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2011, 06:36:40 PM
Did it fairly nicely. The second there is no mug. Expect JP to be getting the cheque book out before he goes over timber. The owner Gearoid Costelloe is Curtis' partner if I'm not mistaken.

DK and Oxx have two interesting fillies running tomorrow at Doncaster. I haven't studied either race in great detail or looked at a market but both look to have decent claims on first glance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on September 08, 2011, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2011, 06:36:40 PM
Did it fairly nicely. The second there is no mug. Expect JP to be getting the cheque book out before he goes over timber. The owner Gearoid Costelloe is Curtis' partner if I'm not mistaken.

DK and Oxx have two interesting fillies running tomorrow at Doncaster. I haven't studied either race in great detail or looked at a market but both look to have decent claims on first glance.

Alanza home at 11/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on September 08, 2011, 02:33:50 PM
If had of been near Toals i would have backed Reply :'( :'( :'( O`Brien strikes again 20/1 :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on September 08, 2011, 03:18:28 PM
so close to a nifty wee double there DH! would have been a nice wee ton on a thursday! lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 08, 2011, 06:06:01 PM
Got word for a donkey in the last at Laytown: full title (about 8/1)
While placing the bet a guy in the bookies I know mentions there's been a few quid for:
W/Hampton 6.40 -ishiadancer @12/1

The first source has a good strike rate with myself, as for the 2nd who knows...
As per usual do with this as you wish  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 08, 2011, 07:26:29 PM
Donkey x 2  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 08, 2011, 09:56:20 PM
Ha ha!  :'( You win and lose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 09, 2011, 02:25:04 PM
Opinion Poll? what ya reckon?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 09, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 09, 2011, 02:25:04 PM
Opinion Poll? what ya reckon?

Glad i didn't back it...Saddlers Rock won. the price was the only thing that put me off it (thank feck)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on September 09, 2011, 04:01:41 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 09, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 09, 2011, 02:25:04 PM
Opinion Poll? what ya reckon?

Glad i didn't back it...Saddlers Rock won. the price was the only thing that put me off it (thank feck)

You definitely did back it, and lost a pile of money  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 09, 2011, 05:19:59 PM
Oxx clearly has his string in flying form. All bodes well ahead of our first glimpse at the last of the Urban Sea foals tomorrow at the Curragh. If he's half as good as his mother or his brothers than he'll be one to look forward to.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hwO4PaK8jws/TdlcGkL28NI/AAAAAAAABuo/IfDEvZPxxvc/s400/Urban%2BSea7.jpg)
(http://images.sportinglife.com/08/06/330/Galileo_924645.jpg)
(http://home.netvigator.com/~duff7/blacksambellamy.jpg)
(http://images.sportinglife.com/09/10/330/Sea-The-Stars-4_2368988.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 09, 2011, 06:56:29 PM
Word for Beau Michael 7.20 Down Royal. Each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 09, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: boojangles on September 09, 2011, 06:56:29 PM
Word for Beau Michael 7.20 Down Royal. Each way.

Sorry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 09, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 09, 2011, 05:19:59 PM
Oxx clearly has his string in flying form. All bodes well ahead of our first glimpse at the last of the Urban Sea foals tomorrow at the Curragh. If he's half as good as his mother or his brothers than he'll be one to look forward to.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hwO4PaK8jws/TdlcGkL28NI/AAAAAAAABuo/IfDEvZPxxvc/s400/Urban%2BSea7.jpg)
(http://images.sportinglife.com/08/06/330/Galileo_924645.jpg)
(http://home.netvigator.com/~duff7/blacksambellamy.jpg)
(http://images.sportinglife.com/09/10/330/Sea-The-Stars-4_2368988.jpg)


I fancy it to go close tomorrow,i'm usually not overly keen on backing horses first time out but if Oxx is introducing him at this level he must think it's a bit of a machine,Murtagh's on board and i'd safely say he had the choice of Lyons' other 2 as well and he's picked born to sea!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 09, 2011, 10:22:51 PM
If Johnny passed over this lad to ride for Lyons or Halford then he wouldn't be let back in the door at Currabeg!

I wouldn't read too much into the fact that he's making his debut in a listed race. I'd say it's only because there are no suitable maidens for him in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 09, 2011, 10:31:40 PM
Sea Moon is drifting like a barge on the machine at the moment for the English Leger tomorrow. Has a leg fallen of it or something????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on September 09, 2011, 11:13:20 PM
Was 7/4 when i checked  a few hours ago. Who do you fancy for the english leger now ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 10, 2011, 12:30:27 AM
Didn't realise there were no decent maidens over the next few weeks,i'll prob go a bit easier then if thats the case  :-\

I think i've gone cuckoo but i've given Seville one last chance in the St.Leger e/w at 9's!I'm hoping he goes from the front like he did over in France and gets everything in trouble(the only one that beat him that day is  4th or 5th in betting for the Arc),maybe i'm just being stubborn here if i'm honest because i've fancied him to win most races he's had all year! ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 10, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on September 09, 2011, 11:13:20 PM
Was 7/4 when i checked  a few hours ago. Who do you fancy for the english leger now ?

I'm leaving it alone. I would have Sea Moon as an even money shot on all known form so I'd be hugely concerned why he is friendless in the betting. He has everything in his favour - one of the finest big race jockeys in the world, trashed Seville in the Voltigeur, a pedigree to die for in this race being a three parts brother to Brian Boru.

Fame And Glory in our own Leger looks a much safer bet now. I think he should be a 1/2 shot against this lot over 1m6. His last race wouldn't overly concern me. You only have to recall St Nicholas Abbey's run before the Coronation Cup and Saddlers Rock did the form no harm over in England yesterday. Duncan and Jukebox Jury are useful animals but F&G should outclass them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on September 10, 2011, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 09, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 09, 2011, 05:19:59 PM
Oxx clearly has his string in flying form. All bodes well ahead of our first glimpse at the last of the Urban Sea foals tomorrow at the Curragh. If he's half as good as his mother or his brothers than he'll be one to look forward to.

I fancy it to go close tomorrow,i'm usually not overly keen on backing horses first time out but if Oxx is introducing him at this level he must think it's a bit of a machine,Murtagh's on board and i'd safely say he had the choice of Lyons' other 2 as well and he's picked born to sea!

That was a nice wee win. 5-1 on PP last night
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on September 10, 2011, 02:50:52 PM
Cheers DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 10, 2011, 02:54:31 PM
Good stuff done it nicely. Backing anything else today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on September 10, 2011, 03:02:52 PM
Never took the price last night on Born to Sea due to carelessness. Ouch

Investing some of the profit on a leger double on the favourites
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 10, 2011, 03:55:32 PM
Duncan and Jukebox are useful animals indeed DH.... C'mon Jukebox!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 09:06:36 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 10, 2011, 03:55:32 PM
Duncan and Jukebox are useful animals indeed DH.... C'mon Jukebox!!

Clearly something amiss with F&G. I got a good look at him in the parade ring and he looked fit to my eyes but Spencer was shaking his head coming back in and seemed to be telling Anne Marie that the horse had some sort of physical ailment. Surely he can't go from winning an Ascot Gold Cup so easily (Duncan well behind) to being gone at the game three months later? Delighted to see Eddie Ahern landing a classic and it's healthy for the Irish flat scene that trainers like Johnny G sending good horses over to take on Coolmore.

All eyes were on Born To Sea and he didn't disappoint. I would urge caution though if considering an antepost punt. He is a good looking animal but he lacks the size of Sea The Stars who was a much rawer 2yo. You can definitely see the Invincible Spirit in this lad. He is close quartered and lacks a bit of scope. That's not saying he won't make up into a real good miler next year but I think that even ten furlongs could really stretch him.

Some decent fare at home and abroad today. Fancy Yellow Rosebud and Bible Belt at the Curragh, Trabajo down at Listowel and Excelebration over at Longchamp in the Moulin. None of these will be a fancy price but it should keep a bit of interest going for the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 11:11:55 AM
Having a small e/w bet on White Star Line in the beginners chase at Listowel too. He lacks race fitness but his seconds last season to First Lieutenant and Sir Des Champs read very well now and his main market rivals are two questionable characters in Russian War and De Valira.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 11, 2011, 12:40:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 11:11:55 AM
Having a small e/w bet on White Star Line in the beginners chase at Listowel too. He lacks race fitness but his seconds last season to First Lieutenant and Sir Des Champs read very well now and his main market rivals are two questionable characters in Russian War and De Valira.

same as donnelly with  Excelebration  and couple off quid e/w on white star line  fancy cityscape also but 1/2 now few non runners also nina e/w in the bumper as cant be backing mullins
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 01:13:59 PM
Yellow Rosebud NR  :(

Don't know what to make of the Arc after the Foy. Probably shouldn't read too much into these trials but I couldn't fancy Sarafina the way she'll be ridden. She's going to need a mountain of luck in running. The 3yos usually hold the key to it so I'll be watching how this Meandre gets on shortly. He looks the obvious one now that Pour Moi is out of the picture.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
Reliable Man muddies the waters further.

Maybe Willie will run Hurricane Fly??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 11, 2011, 01:40:05 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
Reliable Man muddies the waters further.

Maybe Willie will run Hurricane Fly??
Backed Reliable Man myself DH, because, well... That's just me!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: Candyman on September 11, 2011, 01:40:05 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
Reliable Man muddies the waters further.

Maybe Willie will run Hurricane Fly??
Backed Reliable Man myself DH, because, well... That's just me!!  ;D

Is he an Arc winner though? I can't get a handle on the race at all. I can't believe they're talking about the Champion Stakes for Nathaniel because it doesn't look like this Arc will take much winning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 11, 2011, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
Reliable Man muddies the waters further.

Maybe Willie will run Hurricane Fly??

Didn't see the race but would the likes of Meandre not be only half cooked for these prep races?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 01:54:23 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 11, 2011, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
Reliable Man muddies the waters further.

Maybe Willie will run Hurricane Fly??

Didn't see the race but would the likes of Meandre not be only half cooked for these prep races?

They're always steady run affairs with a two furlong sprint at the end but you'd like to see a horse really go and stamp his authority on a race like that if he's a potential Arc winner. They all look much of a muchness from what I can see.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on September 11, 2011, 09:02:26 PM
Peintre Celebre and Bago were both beaten in the Niel before going on to win the Arc but in saying so, I would assume Meandre was no more undercooked than Reliable Man.

It's hard to look past So You Think in the Arc. This horse made a mockery of his races and his schedule in Australia for two years and has now come to Ireland and won three Group Ones whilst being significantly underworked prior to them all!!


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2011, 09:57:22 PM
Ladbrokes going top price about So You Think for the Arc suggests to me that Mike Dillon thinks he'll go to Ascot instead which is a pity.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on September 12, 2011, 02:56:36 PM
Decent novice chase at Listowel today. On this ground i'll take on Eagles Pass with Gala Dancer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 12, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
Snapping up the e/w value on Louisville Lip for the Lartigue tomorrow. He has fallen short of expectations so far over timber but he's on a good handicap mark and he ran a cracker on the flat at Galway recently. McCoy over to take the mount.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on September 12, 2011, 11:34:27 PM
he cost me a good few quid the day he won  :'( :'( jp bought him after that race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 13, 2011, 01:15:39 AM
It's no wonder McCoy is heading for the Kingdom:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/jockey-tony-mccoy-and-spooked-family-flee-haunted-mansion-2873923.html (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/jockey-tony-mccoy-and-spooked-family-flee-haunted-mansion-2873923.html)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 13, 2011, 09:11:52 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 12, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
Snapping up the e/w value on Louisville Lip for the Lartigue tomorrow. He has fallen short of expectations so far over timber but he's on a good handicap mark and he ran a cracker on the flat at Galway recently. McCoy over to take the mount.

Paddy power still offering 7/2 but a few english firms cut to 5/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 13, 2011, 01:00:29 PM
What about Silenzio today at Folkestone? Richard Hughes put it up in the post a few weeks but it was a non runner. He put it up this week again. It has been well backed this morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 13, 2011, 03:20:26 PM
http://mboard.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1491067492/m/143107935

Good article on the greatest ever punters. Expected to see Donnelly here tho!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 13, 2011, 07:50:43 PM
What about the Kerry national tomorrow Dh?I'm having a little bit e/w on Muirhead at 14's,he was very close to top drawer over hurdles and has had only a couple of starts over fences and was givin an easy enough time of it at Galway when he finished 3rd,Carberry's on board and should ride him to get the trip and has been in the frame on pretty much every type of ground.Be interesting to see if the money comes!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 14, 2011, 12:48:49 AM
Haven't a strong opinion on it to be honest. It's not a race I've had a lot of success in. Euro Leader is probably the last time I backed the winner of it.

If I was given a free bet I'd have it on Lenabane.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on September 14, 2011, 01:21:52 PM
Had Muirhead in the notebook but alas  is a non runner today. I'd guess due to the going. Will leave the race alone now.

I reckon Muirhead will win a good race over 3m on goodish ground this season though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on September 14, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
Meant to say, cheers Micky Linden for posting that article. Found several such articles 5 years ago and tried to heed the advice given. Easier said than done though especially as some of the advice contradicts each other.

Did you read it Dh ? What do you think of the betting ew advice ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on September 15, 2011, 08:08:57 AM
mighty day and night in listowel yesterday. alfa beat one cheap horse now. Laughed at this ...

QuoteYou got him ready for us," said Hanlon, as he shook the hand of Byrnes after the race.

looking at stats for season to date McCoy won £326k prize money for  for 100 winners . Geraghty has 24 winners and won 396k euro  :-\.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on September 15, 2011, 09:28:29 AM
So You Think confirmed for the Arc by Aidan O'Brien.

He's still available at 5/1 which is a ridiculously big price. Nothing will live with this horse over 1m 4f.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 15, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
I'm not a huge Coolmore fan but fair play to them for not taking the easy option of going to Ascot instead. Will Seámie keep the ride though? Soumillon rode all their horses on Sunday but he's suspended for Arc day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on September 15, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
Will it definitely run?  Dont want to take a punt and then it doesnt run and goes to Ascot instead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on September 15, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
Excuse my ignorance but is Frankel not in this race?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on September 15, 2011, 01:47:06 PM
So You Think is 98% certain to run, yes. Heffernan is likely to keep the ride as well in my opinion. Here is this morning's quote from APOB:

So You Think is in great form and all being well with him, the plan is to run in the Arc given reasonable ground conditions

I doubt they have any interest in Ascot. O'Brien has never once targetted the Champion Stakes and is not about to do so just because they raised the prize-money.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on September 15, 2011, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on September 15, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
Excuse my ignorance but is Frankel not in this race?

Frankel's next start is the QEII Stakes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 20, 2011, 03:37:52 PM
Any fancies DH or anyone else care to offer an insight?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 20, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
Big gamble landed at Newton Abbott today-Arctic watch won at 9/2 having been as big as 22/1 early in the day,hadn't run in something like 17 months  :o!

Would've been nice to have been in on that gamble from the start!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 20, 2011, 09:23:50 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
Big gamble landed at Newton Abbott today-Arctic watch won at 9/2 having been as big as 22/1 early in the day,hadn't run in something like 17 months  :o!

Would've been nice to have been in on that gamble from the start!

Spotted that alright. Was 33/1 guide price in the RP. 1st time out for new trainer I believe. Fair play. Somebody got rich!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 21, 2011, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 13, 2011, 01:00:29 PM
What about Silenzio today at Folkestone? Richard Hughes put it up in the post a few weeks but it was a non runner. He put it up this week again. It has been well backed this morning.

I see this horse is out today again. 310 Goodwood. Currently around 11/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 21, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
Don't normally pay much heed to the midweek stuff at this time of the year but I see Hanlon has sent Mart Lane to Perth for his first run over hurdles. He was one of the better bumper horses last year and looks a decent enough price for what is essentially a match race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TirEoghaingodeo on September 21, 2011, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 21, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
Don't normally pay much heed to the midweek stuff at this time of the year but I see Hanlon has sent Mart Lane to Perth for his first run over hurdles. He was one of the better bumper horses last year and looks a decent enough price for what is essentially a match race.

Think i'll try a f/c with hard to swallow in that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Fíor Gael on September 21, 2011, 02:35:43 PM
Good call!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TirEoghaingodeo on September 21, 2011, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: TirEoghaingodeo on September 21, 2011, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 21, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
Don't normally pay much heed to the midweek stuff at this time of the year but I see Hanlon has sent Mart Lane to Perth for his first run over hurdles. He was one of the better bumper horses last year and looks a decent enough price for what is essentially a match race.

Think i'll try a f/c with hard to swallow in that.

Thanks DH.  Such was my confidence in you that i didn't even reverse it. Lovely
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 21, 2011, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 21, 2011, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 13, 2011, 01:00:29 PM
What about Silenzio today at Folkestone? Richard Hughes put it up in the post a few weeks but it was a non runner. He put it up this week again. It has been well backed this morning.

I see this horse is out today again. 310 Goodwood. Currently around 11/4

Not sure how many of you have been reading Richards Hughes column in the post on Saturdays. It has been nothing short of a revelation. He has tipped winner after winner and a more insighful, honest column u will ever read from a jockey.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on September 21, 2011, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 21, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
Don't normally pay much heed to the midweek stuff at this time of the year but I see Hanlon has sent Mart Lane to Perth for his first run over hurdles. He was one of the better bumper horses last year and looks a decent enough price for what is essentially a match race.

Thanks DH emptied the account on Mart Lane - A nice wee Wednesday bet!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 21, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
The Shark looks like he has a nice team of horses this winter. Hidden Cyclone could be anything over fences.

Some good NH horses beginning to reappear these days. Steps To Freedom is having his first run over timber at Fairyhouse tomorrow and Champion Court is having his chasing debut at Perth.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 21, 2011, 05:29:14 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 21, 2011, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 21, 2011, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 13, 2011, 01:00:29 PM
What about Silenzio today at Folkestone? Richard Hughes put it up in the post a few weeks but it was a non runner. He put it up this week again. It has been well backed this morning.

I see this horse is out today again. 310 Goodwood. Currently around 11/4

Not sure how many of you have been reading Richards Hughes column in the post on Saturdays. It has been nothing short of a revelation. He has tipped winner after winner and a more insighful, honest column u will ever read from a jockey.

A revelation is right. Got manys a winner from it. Fair play to Richard. He is honest in his words. It can be hard to get trainers and jockeys to be frank and open about their horses.
A trainer who I find brilliant when tipping his own and others (usually in the Star) is Gordon Elliot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 22, 2011, 07:32:02 PM
Steps To Freedom did what he was entitled to do today. It'll be interesting to see whether he can go on proper winter ground. If he can, he could be a serious player in the novice hurdle ranks this season. I was disappointed with Champion Court. He held every chance when crashing out but he looked like he was beginning to labour at the time.

Some good action tomorrow at Newmarket. I have a hunch that Fallen For You will turn around Doncaster form with Lyric Of Light in the Fillies Mile. Thespis Of Icaria is out again in the bumper at Worcester but the form of his last run isn't working out that well (Court In Session was stuffed today up at Perth by the likeable Manger Hanagement) so I'm wary enough about taking too short a price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 23, 2011, 01:17:55 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 22, 2011, 07:32:02 PM
Steps To Freedom did what he was entitled to do today. It'll be interesting to see whether he can go on proper winter ground. If he can, he could be a serious player in the novice hurdle ranks this season. I was disappointed with Champion Court. He held every chance when crashing out but he looked like he was beginning to labour at the time.

Some good action tomorrow at Newmarket. I have a hunch that Fallen For You will turn around Doncaster form with Lyric Of Light in the Fillies Mile. Thespis Of Icaria is out again in the bumper at Worcester but the form of his last run isn't working out that well (Court In Session was stuffed today up at Perth by the likeable Manger Hanagement) so I'm wary enough about taking too short a price.

Paddypower doing good offer today. If your horse finishes second in any race shown by channel 4 you get your money back. Looks good in the 300 which almost seems like a match bet with Fallen for you v Lyric of Light.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 23, 2011, 11:33:23 PM
I don't know who Daniel Mark Loughnane is other than he's based in Ireland but he had 4 runners at Wolverhampton the last 2 days,1 was unplaced,1 was 2nd at 11/1 and the other 2 won at 20/1  :o I presume he's a man that knows what he's at and should be followed!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 24, 2011, 12:43:02 PM
Finding it hard to pick out a bet today. Together e/w in the Sun Chariot maybe.

Good jumping card at Navan, particularly the first maiden hurdle. Frawley hasn't ran since his third behind Cue Card and Al Ferof in the 2010 Cheltenham bumper. Fancy Dylan Ross to turn him over. It's usually around this time of year that Meade cleans up these sort of events and it's interesting that he didn't run this horse in a maiden hurdle last back end because he'd have surely won one. He must think he'll make a decent novice this winter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 24, 2011, 02:39:33 PM
Dylan Ross NR. Frawley did it well despite jumping awfully.

Great win for Lightning Pearl at Newmarket giving Ger Lyons his first Group 1. Maybe's form just keeps getting better.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 24, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Two good maiden winners just there at Gowran. Oxx looks like he has another good 2yo colt for Jaber Abdullah in the shaper of Akeed Wafi ahead of Akeed Mofeed's run in the Beresford tomorrow. Really liked the run of Tibet in the final race. Weak in the market beforehand and ran very green under pressure but still managed to get the job done. He's the sort of 2yo you could see running in one of those French Group 1s in late autumn.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 25, 2011, 11:42:48 AM
Brega Queen in the 4 o clock at Clonmel looks a good each way shout today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 25, 2011, 02:37:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 23, 2011, 11:33:23 PM
I don't know who Daniel Mark Loughnane is other than he's based in Ireland but he had 4 runners at Wolverhampton the last 2 days,1 was unplaced,1 was 2nd at 11/1 and the other 2 won at 20/1  :o I presume he's a man that knows what he's at and should be followed!

One running now @ 25's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on September 26, 2011, 08:56:08 PM
Anyone know of any odds for So You Think?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:09:33 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/ante-post-racing/flat/prix-de-larc-de-triomphe

Best price 5s with Bet365 and others
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 27, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
Manger Hanagement out AGAIN in a half hour  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redhandloo on September 27, 2011, 03:26:20 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 27, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
Manger Hanagement out AGAIN in a half hour  :o
Good call again DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 27, 2011, 03:26:55 PM
5 in a row. Elliott is some man to place a horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 27, 2011, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 27, 2011, 03:26:55 PM
5 in a row. Elliott is some man to place a horse.

See it got tore into today on the exchanges.... a few happy punters after McCoy getting it up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 27, 2011, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 27, 2011, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 27, 2011, 03:26:55 PM
5 in a row. Elliott is some man to place a horse.

See it got tore into today on the exchanges.... a few happy punters after McCoy getting it up

Date Conditions Race Result Jockey OR
27Sep11 Sed 21G 4y+ H(3K) 11-12[8/13f] 1st of 8 1 ½L to Elsafeer (IRE) A P McCoy 
22Sep11 Per 24GS 4y+ H(3K) 11-4[10/11f] 1st of 5 19L to What A Warrior (IRE) A P McCoy 
01Sep11 New 22GF 4y+ H(3K) 10-12[4/5f] 1st of 13 11L to Betavix (GB) A P McCoy 
31Aug11 Her 21G 5y+ NovCh(4K) 11-5[1/1f] 1st of 5 11L to Arkose (IRE) A P McCoy 
20Aug11 Per 16G 4y+ NovCh(7K) 11-12[11/8f] 1st of 4 35+L to Lodgician (IRE) J M Maguire
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 28, 2011, 12:00:58 PM
Any thoughts on the Arc yet? Im beginning to side with So you think. I dont think ballydoyle can have any excuses with the ground and think they must feel they have a chance by picking this route rather than the easier champions day route at ascot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 28, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
Haven't a strong opinion on it myself and I am finding it hard to warm to any horse in the field.

Sarafina will need plenty of luck given her running style. What happened to her last year could easily happen again and at 3/1 she's too short. I've never been overly convinced with So You Think. I do think the step up in trip is going to suit but I'm not convinced he's as good as Coolmore want everyone to believe. The Arc trials were all messy affairs and it's hard to make a strong case for one of the 3yos. Galikova is probably the best of them but the value is gone. Workforce has to be considered but I don't know how Nakayama Festa is 25/1 considering he ran Workforce to a head last year. If I do have a bet, it will probably be a small e/w investment on him.

It will be interesting to see if there are as many British raiders to Longchamp this weekend with the silly British 'Champions' Day now upcoming. It would be a shame if there was an impact because Arc day is the best days flat racing in the world IMO. Thankfully there's some good domestic jumping action this weekend to get the blood up for the winter ahead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 29, 2011, 01:54:05 PM
Two solid looking ones today, Qannaas 9/4 in the 3.10 and Faraway 5/2 in the 5.40.

Mirror Ball in the 3.40 at Warwick also decent 11/1 e/w shot. Just my own fancies lads so steer clear  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on September 29, 2011, 02:57:03 PM
Unlucky with Mirror Ball Sammy!....2nd! Good each way shout! ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 29, 2011, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on September 29, 2011, 02:57:03 PM
Unlucky with Mirror Ball Sammy!....2nd! Good each way shout! ;)

f**king short head, sickener  >:( still, a few ££ gained  ;) a few more quid coming up in the next
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on September 29, 2011, 03:09:49 PM
Hope your right i double it with Hanagans first winner of the day..Come on Blue Chip! :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 29, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on September 29, 2011, 03:09:49 PM
Hope your right i double it with Hanagans first winner of the day..Come on Blue Chip! :o

that hoorbag never really looked like winning - High Bird Humphrey in the 4.20 is my next target, hopefully the old age wont take its toll as it likes the track
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on September 29, 2011, 08:19:12 PM
Mr Potts latest project - rebuilding of Dreaper yard -  looks like it starts tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 30, 2011, 11:13:42 AM
First Lieutenant runs in the novice chase at Limerick Junction on Sunday. The road to the 2013 Gold Cup starts here!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 30, 2011, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 30, 2011, 11:13:42 AM
First Lieutenant runs in the novice chase at Limerick Junction on Sunday. The road to the 2013 Gold Cup starts here!

Worth an ante post investment for the Arkle DH? Currently 20/1 with Stan James!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 30, 2011, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 30, 2011, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 30, 2011, 11:13:42 AM
First Lieutenant runs in the novice chase at Limerick Junction on Sunday. The road to the 2013 Gold Cup starts here!

Worth an ante post investment for the Arkle DH? Currently 20/1 with Stan James!

I wouldn't be certain over what trip he'll run. I know Mouse isn't keen on the Sun Alliance - War Of Attrition ran in the Arkle. I don't think this horse is as quick as War Of Attrition though. The further First Lieutenant went in the Neptune, the better he got. War Of Attrition on the other hand ran Brave Inca to a nostril in a Supreme Novices.

The race Noble Prince won this year makes antepost betting very risky nowadays.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on September 30, 2011, 12:27:05 PM
Got a txt saying to back nappa star in the 8.30 dundalk and to take a price,which is 10/1 i see
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on September 30, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Tip for INDIAN JACK in the 2.20 at Ascot.

Last couple from the source won but don't blame me if this doesn't. Good each way price anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 30, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
Some good looking bets today:

Rippling Ring in the 3.50 Fontwell 7/2
Cunning Act in the 4.40 Ascot 7/2

nice looking e/w double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hashtag on September 30, 2011, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 30, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Tip for INDIAN JACK in the 2.20 at Ascot.

Last couple from the source won but don't blame me if this doesn't. Good each way price anyway.

I have put five of the queens pounds on this now. Our friendship depends on this horse winning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on September 30, 2011, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 30, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Tip for INDIAN JACK in the 2.20 at Ascot.

Last couple from the source won but don't blame me if this doesn't. Good each way price anyway.

U just cost me £500 there :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hashtag on September 30, 2011, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: illdecide on September 30, 2011, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 30, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Tip for INDIAN JACK in the 2.20 at Ascot.

Last couple from the source won but don't blame me if this doesn't. Good each way price anyway.

U just cost me £500 there :P

Donkey was it? i never seen the race. Thanks alot DJ. Muppet.
Title: 3-10
Post by: drici on September 30, 2011, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 29, 2011, 08:19:12 PM

Mr Potts latest project - rebuilding of Dreaper yard -  looks like it starts tomorrow.


(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/cf79002f713316a9d9ac79ea034dca20fe50395342802476f63be28197d9dee06g.jpg)
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4fe260277d68f6348898a35321fe0b1af9bb095b023330ea671289a742965dc46g.jpg)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on September 30, 2011, 04:16:20 PM
2.20 Ascot Dimension
2.40 Fontwell Red Harbour
2.55 Ascot Mundana

3x£1 Doubles
1x£1e/w Treble


Anyone know what i get? ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on September 30, 2011, 04:54:27 PM
Quote from: Family guy on September 30, 2011, 12:27:05 PM
Got a txt saying to back nappa star in the 8.30 dundalk and to take a price,which is 10/1 i see

Very interesting. Its all-weather form reads 42111. Currently 9/1 with Bet365 but coming from the Charles Byrnes stable I'd imagine it may be gambled on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on September 30, 2011, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on September 30, 2011, 04:16:20 PM
2.20 Ascot Dimension
2.40 Fontwell Red Harbour
2.55 Ascot Mundana

3x£1 Doubles
1x£1e/w Treble


Anyone know what i get? ;D ;D

Assuming it was quarter the odds a place then you get £54.07
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on September 30, 2011, 05:50:41 PM
All winners

Still the same?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on September 30, 2011, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on September 30, 2011, 05:50:41 PM
All winners

Still the same?

Aye I know they were winners but for the each way accum part you basically have two bets, a win accum and a place accum so the quarter odds a place applies to it.

Where did you do the bet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on September 30, 2011, 05:57:45 PM
Toals.

Thinking about heading up to Dundalk later for the dogs might caught the few last few races any fancy's?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on September 30, 2011, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on September 30, 2011, 05:57:45 PM
Toals.

Thinking about heading up to Dundalk later for the dogs might caught the few last few races any fancy's?

Toals in Lurgan pay quarter the odds every race so think the amount I put up earlier is right at the SPs of 3/1, 4/9 amd 3/1.

I don't pay much attention to that Dundalk meeting, it is probably the meeting I hate the most, slightly ahead of Wolverhampton and Kempton (AW).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 02, 2011, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 30, 2011, 11:13:42 AM
First Lieutenant runs in the novice chase at Limerick Junction on Sunday. The road to the 2013 Gold Cup starts here!

Tipperary 5-15! Currently 9/10 on Betfair, 8/13 elsewhere
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 02, 2011, 10:52:59 AM
I'm having a few pound e/w on Meandre for the Arc,supplemented for this for a healthy sum,trainer knows the time of day,yard had a virus during last run so it can be ignored and i was impressed with how he beat Seville and Treasure beach in the Grand prix de paris in 3rd gear in my eyes the race before!

So that's the horse you should all avoid because i could stop a train at the minute  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 02, 2011, 12:13:32 PM
I think I will chance Snow Fairy e/w small stakes for interests sake only
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 02, 2011, 01:03:38 PM
And i had backd sole power win only in the last at 8/1!I am some gobshite! >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on October 02, 2011, 02:23:56 PM
I'm gonna go straight on the nose for SYT, he's irresistable for me at 6.2 on betfair, I know your not convinced DH and probably for good reason because you know a hell of alot more than me! I hope for once your proven wrong by SYT.

On Galikova the ground will suit but I think she has to much to find to really trouble SYT or Sarafina. I would say SYT is definitely the best horse in the race, but we don't know how good Sarafina really is or can be at the moment. And is it just me but on form, despite the ground concerns, do any of you not think Workforce is overpriced? Might go for a place on betfair with Workforce at 3.85.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 02, 2011, 02:31:15 PM
Have had a speculative punt on Workforce.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on October 02, 2011, 03:22:23 PM
How disappointing was that. I think a few jockeys underestimated the opposition, ridiculous tactics by some I think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 02, 2011, 03:24:08 PM
I agree - I'm pissed off with Seamie.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on October 02, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
DH maybe you were right! But the way he came through that field was pretty impressive. If he had been ridden differently I definitely think that was their for the taking. Still in shock at that ride.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2011, 03:46:49 PM
I think you're being a bit harsh on Heffernan lads. If you look at where he finished relative to Snow Fairy, he has probably ran somewhere within a few lbs of his Leopardstown form. He was always going to be ridden patiently. Today was the first day he ever raced beyond 10 furlongs in Europe so he was never going to track the pace or anything like it. If he'd have been ridden handily and been swallowed up by the field in the final furlong then I think you'd have reasons to be aggrieved.

There are many factors you have to take into account. The ground on Arc day is usually on the soft side but today it was quite quick. That makes it harder for the closers and the horses ridden aggresively tend to last home that bit longer (see the earlier 2yo colts race for a perfect example). You also have to look at the draw - ridiculous as it may seem in a 1m4 race. No horse drawn higher than stall 8 has won the race in years. The winner was drawn 2, So You Think was out in the car park. Longchamp is a sharp enough mile and a half. It's not like Leopardstown or the Curragh where you have big galloping bends to get your position. The bend at Longchamp is very sharp and if you lose your position there then you either have to sit and suffer until the gaps open or pull wide to circle the field. The latter option is suicide in a race like the Arc which always seems to attract a big field.

So You Think is clearly a very good horse but he is no superstar.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 02, 2011, 05:38:50 PM
Arc2011=strange race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2011, 08:42:28 PM
Pleasing introduction for First Lieutenant down at Limerick Junction. His jumping was clever and he clearly needed the run. It looked to my eyes that he took a blow turning in. I think he's a serious animal and he will show it over fences. I haven't seen many horses that are as physically impressive looking in recent years.

(http://www.irishracing.com/photo_jpeg/U000012678960042.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 02, 2011, 09:35:42 PM
Indeed DH. They have a few nice looking chasers  now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: HeaveHo on October 03, 2011, 02:53:29 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2011, 03:46:49 PM
I think you're being a bit harsh on Heffernan lads. If you look at where he finished relative to Snow Fairy, he has probably ran somewhere within a few lbs of his Leopardstown form. He was always going to be ridden patiently. Today was the first day he ever raced beyond 10 furlongs in Europe so he was never going to track the pace or anything like it. If he'd have been ridden handily and been swallowed up by the field in the final furlong then I think you'd have reasons to be aggrieved.

There are many factors you have to take into account. The ground on Arc day is usually on the soft side but today it was quite quick. That makes it harder for the closers and the horses ridden aggresively tend to last home that bit longer (see the earlier 2yo colts race for a perfect example). You also have to look at the draw - ridiculous as it may seem in a 1m4 race. No horse drawn higher than stall 8 has won the race in years. The winner was drawn 2, So You Think was out in the car park. Longchamp is a sharp enough mile and a half. It's not like Leopardstown or the Curragh where you have big galloping bends to get your position. The bend at Longchamp is very sharp and if you lose your position there then you either have to sit and suffer until the gaps open or pull wide to circle the field. The latter option is suicide in a race like the Arc which always seems to attract a big field.

So You Think is clearly a very good horse but he is no superstar.

It wasn't the greatest ride by Heffernan - he did his best to save ground but had to stop riding on a couple of occasions up the straight. It was a diffucult job with the wide alley but SYT, apart from the winner who was super, was doing the best of the others on the line. I think he should have gone a furlong earlier but if Grandma had balls.......................
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 03, 2011, 02:01:56 PM
Two early ones at Warwick;

Desert Philosopher in the 2.20 is being well backed to beat the odds on fav and Saby's Gem in the 2:50, last two times it was due to run, it was well backed before being pulled. Its drifitng today so it could be just out for a run... gonna keep an eye on it anyhow  8) 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 03, 2011, 02:45:16 PM
Where do you all use for your horse alerts?

I normally used easyodds but the site is playing up at the minute doesn't let me add or take away horses and I want to get mine sorted for the NH racing.

What is the gg.com ones like? Easyodds send an email every morning one of mine are running with a couple lines form and then my personal comments. Not gonna be any good though if I am stuck with last year's horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 03, 2011, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 03, 2011, 02:45:16 PM
Where do you all use for your horse alerts?

I normally used easyodds but the site is playing up at the minute doesn't let me add or take away horses and I want to get mine sorted for the NH racing.

What is the gg.com ones like? Easyodds send an email every morning one of mine are running with a couple lines form and then my personal comments. Not gonna be any good though if I am stuck with last year's horses.

http://www.irishracing.com/v5tracker (http://www.irishracing.com/v5tracker)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 04, 2011, 01:45:33 PM
El Dececy in the last at Leicester looks like a really solid bet today  ;) currently 3/1 fav

how come there is racing on a Tuesday afternoon in October in Tipperary?

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 04, 2011, 02:15:15 PM
See Cue Card and Silviniaco Conti make their chasing bows at the weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2011, 06:42:21 PM
I posted a few pages back that the two maidens at Gowran Park a few weeks ago looked very strong. DK had a newcomer for O'Reilly called Voleuse De Coeurs who finished third and is out again tomorrow at Navan. She shaped like she'd come on for the experience and she has no colts to contend with tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 05, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
Not today DH. Don't think all the banging around in the stalls would have helped but just did not gave the class of the O'Brien winner today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 05, 2011, 04:19:59 PM
She looks like she needs around ten miles!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 05, 2011, 04:57:13 PM
The winner cost 900k as a yearling. Half sister to Pour Moi.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2011, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 05, 2011, 04:57:13 PM
The winner cost 900k as a yearling. Half sister to Pour Moi.

3 parts sister I think. Crazy money for a filly. The dam had another Sadlers Wells filly called Gagnoa who was fairly moderate.

Apart from Maybe, I think Wading might be one of Ballydoyle's best 2yo fillies. She bolted up at Dundalk a few weeks back and runs in the Rockfel at Newmarket on Saturday. Her grand dam is none other than Urban Sea.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
3.40 York - Pearl Secret Very nice prospect according to David Barron. Been backed into 6s from 11s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on October 07, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
3.40 York - Pearl Secret Very nice prospect according to David Barron. Been backed into 6s from 11s.

7.30 Dundalk Seanie

Won at punchestown a few weeks back at 40/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:50:34 PM
Hopefully some of you got on! That sets my weekend up nicely! :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:51:26 PM
Tip or fancy Armaghgael?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 07, 2011, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:50:34 PM
Hopefully some of you got on! That sets my weekend up nicely! :P

that 17 minute window too tight for me... well done nice hit!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on October 07, 2011, 03:55:44 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:51:26 PM
Tip or fancy Armaghgael?

Fancy :) :)

Has an e/w shout
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
Sorry Sammy stable connections only got word through late....missed the better price myself
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 07, 2011, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on October 07, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
3.40 York - Pearl Secret Very nice prospect according to David Barron. Been backed into 6s from 11s.

7.30 Dundalk Seanie

Won at punchestown a few weeks back at 40/1

:o

There aren't many 2yos winning around Punchestown these days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on October 07, 2011, 04:43:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 07, 2011, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on October 07, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
3.40 York - Pearl Secret Very nice prospect according to David Barron. Been backed into 6s from 11s.

7.30 Dundalk Seanie

Won at punchestown a few weeks back at 40/1

:o

There aren't many 2yos winning around Punchestown these days.

Found it a bit strange myself DH. Must be a good one :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 07, 2011, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
Sorry Sammy stable connections only got word through late....missed the better price myself

jaysus no bother man, wasnt a dig or anything, just wasnt around earlier at that time. I like the look of Murtagh's chances on Saint By Day in the 8.30 - 10/1 although its a competitive looking affair and might need to rub of the green in running to get its nose home in front
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 07, 2011, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on October 07, 2011, 04:43:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 07, 2011, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on October 07, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 07, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
3.40 York - Pearl Secret Very nice prospect according to David Barron. Been backed into 6s from 11s.

7.30 Dundalk Seanie

Won at punchestown a few weeks back at 40/1

:o

There aren't many 2yos winning around Punchestown these days.

Found it a bit strange myself DH. Must be a good one :D :D

High Chaparral won his maiden at Punchestown many moons ago. I think that was the last year of flat racing there before all the drainage problems.

Steaming into Strong Suit tomorrow. Suspect he'll go off odds on. Going to chance this Wading e/w in the Rockfel. Really liked the way she won on the AW and bred in the purple.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: OverTheBlackSpot on October 07, 2011, 06:49:56 PM
Cross I missed Seanie the last time, young cub called Sean. Its 9/2 today some change !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 07, 2011, 09:35:18 PM
Any 1 here use bet fair??Know of a horse thats out tomorrow just out for the run,was thinking of laying it have never done it before tho is it easy to do??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 07, 2011, 10:10:43 PM
Have you lads of money to put into a betfair account?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 07, 2011, 10:15:31 PM
Not sure of what way betfair works tho??I know that youl have to put in whatever your gona stand to lose which might have to be alot.Does any of you guys use it to lay??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 07, 2011, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: Family guy on October 07, 2011, 10:15:31 PM
Not sure of what way betfair works tho??I know that youl have to put in whatever your gona stand to lose which might have to be alot.Does any of you guys use it to lay??

If you want to lay the horse, say it's 4/1, you stick up the £50 to win £10, it loses you win £10. It's only really worth laying horses that price and lower, otherwise, you could be putting up big money to win tiny stakes and it's not nice if you get stung and the horse does win. Sometimes better to do it whilst the race is on although it can be tricky if you are not used to using the site
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on October 08, 2011, 09:21:05 AM
Well if you're laying 4/1 to win 10Eu, you only need 40Eu in your account - not 50Eu.

As for laying a horse you know won't win......chances are you aren't the only one who knows this and the horse will be a big price where liquidity (people interested in trading on it) will be low.

But it's straightforward to do if you are happy with your end of the bargain.....

Newmarket is on a week early this year to accomodate Champions Day. The Middle Park and the Dewhurst on the same day on the same card over 6f and 7f respectively? Dosen't seem right. Rename one and move it to Ascot next week?

Anyway, don't know much about the English 2yos so I'll have a go at Reply, Power and Wading. Hopefully Ballydoyle are equal to my hopes !!

Over the jumps, looks like Silviniaco Conti and Cue Card is the race to look out for. I took a shine to Silviniaco Conti last year after he won the Ascot Hurdle, and would think he'd have better credentials to make up into a chaser than his adversary, Cue Card.

Ballydoyle are raiding the US again after the successes of Cape Blanco and Treasure Beach. This timeTogether seeks a first G1 in the First Lady and Zoffany bids to win the Shadwell Turf Mile - both at Keeneland. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 08, 2011, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on October 08, 2011, 09:21:05 AM
Newmarket is on a week early this year to accomodate Champions Day. The Middle Park and the Dewhurst on the same day on the same card over 6f and 7f respectively? Dosen't seem right. Rename one and move it to Ascot next week?

It's farcical. The crowd in charge of racing in the UK are almost as bad as their Irish counterparts and that's saying something. Their new whip rules are proof of that.

They've rightly fecked up the pattern that had been established over centuries. If they were going to do it properly they could have moved the RP Trophy to today and then have the Dewhurst at Doncaster in a fortnight's time. It's a similar situation now next weekend where we now have the QEII over the straight mile (was always run on the round mile for as long as I can remember) and the Champion Stakes over only two furlongs longer on the round course having previously been a straight ten furlongs.

I just hope they don't go messing around with the NH calendar now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on October 08, 2011, 01:18:30 PM
What impact rain going to have on strong suit today. Going is still good at the minute.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on October 08, 2011, 02:10:20 PM
Obviously none! Good call again DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on October 08, 2011, 02:17:18 PM
7/2 Wading - 1/5 odds small loss if placed. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 08, 2011, 02:45:06 PM
Dylan Ross impressive at Fairyhouse. Meade having his usual sparkling October.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 08, 2011, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 08, 2011, 02:45:06 PM
Dylan Ross impressive at Fairyhouse. Meade having his usual sparkling October.

and leceile also texas jack will win also  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 08, 2011, 03:09:12 PM
Good stuff, DH.

Stats-based selections for the Caesarewitch:
Sentry Duty (16 on betfair)
Ermyn Lodge (19.5)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 08, 2011, 03:13:14 PM
Bolger does it again  :D

Desperate ride from Moore on Power though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 08, 2011, 03:39:05 PM
Those ads for Dubai during C4 Racing are ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 08, 2011, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 08, 2011, 03:09:12 PM
Good stuff, DH.

Stats-based selections for the Caesarewitch:
Sentry Duty (16 on betfair)
Ermyn Lodge (19.5)

Good call Hardy. Only denied by a Dettori masterclass.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 08, 2011, 04:05:41 PM
Yeh, close one. Frankie had no right to win it from that stall!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RGU08 on October 08, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
D H I'm heading over to Cheltenham on Thurs evening for fri and sat meeting, any advice/thoughts/tips on the racecards would be much appreciated.  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 08, 2011, 04:33:30 PM
Think we've just seen next year's Oaks winner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 08, 2011, 04:34:15 PM
Well done all those on Wading!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 08, 2011, 06:14:44 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on October 08, 2011, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 08, 2011, 02:45:06 PM
Dylan Ross impressive at Fairyhouse. Meade having his usual sparkling October.

and leceile also texas jack will win also  8)

not a bad days work 8 winners 3 placed and 1 loser wud take that every sat  :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on October 08, 2011, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 08, 2011, 04:33:30 PM
Think we've just seen next year's Oaks winner

10/1 for 1000 Guineas
12/1 for Oaks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 09, 2011, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 08, 2011, 03:39:05 PM
Those ads for Dubai during C4 Racing are ridiculous.

Why do they annoy ya?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 10, 2011, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 09, 2011, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 08, 2011, 03:39:05 PM
Those ads for Dubai during C4 Racing are ridiculous.

Why do they annoy ya?

Be thankful for them. There'd be no racing on UK terrestrial tv if it wasn't for the Maktoums.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 11, 2011, 07:09:57 PM
2 day card starting at Punchestown tomorrow as the NH season cranks into gear. Thursday's card looks very promising but tomorrow's card looks a bit light compared to previous years. Stonemaster making his chasing debut looks the highlight to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on October 11, 2011, 07:31:20 PM
Any selections for Cheltenham DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 11, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on October 11, 2011, 07:31:20 PM
Any selections for Cheltenham DH?

Will have a peep at the cards when the decs are made.

These new whip rules have me wary about backing anything in the UK though. I didn't have a bet today but you can definitely see the effect it's having. I watched the Leicester 4:10 (I think) and I think the Godolphin horse might have won had the jockey not already used up his 'quota'. I really can't see how this will work over jumps.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 12, 2011, 02:08:59 PM
5.20 Nottingham  Dorry K - Another of Barrons. Working well at home and fancied for a good run. 7s at min......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on October 12, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
I thought the use of the whip had been banned ages  ago.  That they were "waved" so the horse would see it but the horse was not actually struck.  Learn a new thing every day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 12, 2011, 06:04:57 PM
11 Jockeys banned in the UK today ( 2 for Whip). 9 at Wetherby.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 11:16:03 AM
Steps To Freedom being punted off the boards in the novice hurdle today.

Looking forward to the novice chase. Looks a match between Rathlin (interesting that he's been moved from Rothwell's yard) and Shinrock Paddy. Both could take high rank among the novice chasers this season.

Meade's horse for JP in the bumper has a lovely pedigree and absolutely sluiced up in a p2p at Lemonfield. Will definitely have an eye on how he gets on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 13, 2011, 11:29:15 AM
Was going to back Steps to Freedom but a few of Jessies have run a bit below par lately so leaving it alone. Bound to hack up now.

Hope Forpady has recovered but surprised they are starting over 2m 7f .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 11:42:44 AM
Steps To Freedom should be race fit from the flat and his maiden hurdle. A lot of Jessies horses recently are either having their first run back or are coming to the end of a long flat campaign. I think they're trying to keep Steps The Freedom on the go before the ground deteriorates.

I think everyone has a soft spot (for) Forpady! He's a funny old horse though. Some times he looks like he's crying out for a trip and then at other times he looks like a non-stayer. I hope he gets his head back in front today which he should because the trainer and owners are real likeable folk.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 12:12:51 PM
QuoteWHIP RULES SIGNAL WORRYING TIMES

By Nic Doggett

The British Horseracing Authority started to review the use of the whip in November 2010, but the issue gained further prominence following the 2011 John Smith's Grand National when winning rider Jason Maguire hit his mount Ballabriggs 15 times after the final fence, six more than was allowed under the rules.

Six months later, on Monday October 10, following research conducted by a Review Group headed by Andrew Merriam, the BHA implemented new rules which state that a horse can now be struck no more than seven times in flat races, eight times in jumps race, and no more than five times after the final obstacle/in the final furlong.

That afternoon, two jockeys received bans.

Kieren Fox was banned for 15 days for hitting his mount Orthodox Lad 11 times, whilst Richard Hughes, so nearly last-year's Champion Jockey, picked up a five day suspension for hitting Swift Blade six times in the final furlong.

Orthodox Lad won by a short-head, Swift Blade finished third.

As well as their bans, both jockeys lost their riding fees of £106.55, and in Fox's case, a share of the winner's prize money worth nearly £165.

Neither jockey, under the new legislations, will be allowed to be reimbursed by the horse's owner or trainer.

Hughes claimed that he was merely trying to correct his horse, to stop it from hanging and becoming a risk to others, and appeared bemused at the BHA's lack of flexibility.

To them it was a case of six hits was six hits, and accordingly a ban was imposed.

Like two teenagers dashing behind the bike-sheds, the implemention of these new legislations, just five days before the inaugural Champions Day at Ascot, appears rushed, naïve and flirting with danger.

The long-running saga of the Levy, which has dogged racing for the last 24 months, is evidence that the sport continues to be placed in peril by warring factions.

Each party - owners, trainers, jockeys, bookmakers, the BHA and punters - has consistently failed to work together to help horseracing not just cement its position in the British consciousness, but move forward in the way that any successful business should.

The numerical figures involved in our sport are impressive - 5.8 million attendees at race meetings in 2010, the second most attended sport in Great Britain after football - yet the sport seems to be in a consistent state of identity crisis.

Racing For Change has struck out with their initiatives - decimalisation of betting odds fell by the wayside, whilst a free racing month was poorly advertised to those very people that they were trying to attract - and the less said about the patronising search for a female commentator the better.

There is confusion over why these new whip rules have come to fruition: is it for the horse's welfare, is it to reduce the number of whip infringements or is it to attract new people to the sport?

The worry I have is that it is the latter.

The Review Group commissioned independent public opinion research from a leading sports research agency, SMG/YouGov, and found that:

"A large proportion of the population - particularly women and those with no interest in Racing - instinctively disagree with the use of the whip and think current penalties are too lenient."

This has got to be one of the most disturbing sentences of the whole Review - "particularly women and those with no interest in Racing".

It's a bit like asking Andy Fordham what he thinks about the latest line of Jimmy Choos. What's next, Jordan's new policy for solving the Eurozone economic crisis?

Just a page or so later in the manifest, the Review says "The opinion research demonstrates a general lack of understanding amongst the general public with regard to whip use."

So why use that opinion to lead a move to try and change the regulations - for aesthetic purposes - in order to attract more people to the sport, people who are accepted to have no interest in the sport and very little chance of actually becoming regular racegoers?

The sooner that those in charge realise that the way to get more people through the door is to have cheaper admission prices, cheaper food and drink prices, higher quality of racing and less of it, then the sport will actually be able to move forward.

At the moment it is sinking slowly into quicksand.

If the whip review had been solely on the grounds of horse welfare then I could fully accept the findings and the BHA reaction, and I would actually support the banning of the whip completely.

But the evidence is, in the Review Group's own words, that the whip "does not compromise the welfare of horses during a race."

"The whip currently used in British Horseracing is designed not to cause pain when used appropriately. The energy absorbing design of this whip has been adopted by many other Racing Authorities throughout the world since its introduction in Britain."

The numbers support this view - from roughly 100,000 rides during a year, only 20 visible marks, or weals, will occur.

No-one in their right mind wants an animal to suffer for the pleasure of those involved in sport and the new whips, which have undergone serious developments over the years, ensure that this isn't happening.

Obviously there is the consideration of psychological damage as well as physiological impact, but the Review confronts this and the findings are inconclusive.

"There are a number of physiological measures that can be used to assess suffering. These include changes in heart and respiratory rate, signs of activation of the nervous system (for example increases in the level of 'stress hormones' such as adrenaline), and activation of body responses such as natural opioids ('endorphins').

"Clearly all these changes are very similar to those seen as a result of exercise, especially peak exercise, and this in effect confounds attempts to use them to assess welfare during and immediately after a horse race. However, in the context of the clinical assessments carried out by the Veterinary Officers, where a second examination of any horse found to have a weal will take place as the horse comes back to a non-excited state; there have been no horse welfare concerns to date."

The final sentence appears conclusive.

The BHA, according to their Annual Budget Review, have "reduced their running costs since 2008 by nearly £3.7m without any significant reduction in our activities or the quality of service being delivered."

However one cannot help but wonder how the extra workload piled onto the stipendiary stewards will affect the cost of running the BHA in the coming seasons?

Although the number of cameras has increased dramatically, meaning every horse is easier to follow in the race, the actual man hours put into dissecting every ride must increase significantly.

The BHA is funded by money coming into the sport, from racecourse fixture fees, registrations and entry fees, and there must be a knock-on cost effect, not just from analysing rides from a whip perspective but also the issue of non-triers.

As well as this, the new rules state that a jockey cannot be compensated by any party for their loss of income, but at what cost will keeping on top of this come in at?

Watching the racing since Monday, and whilst remembering that one swallow doesn't make a summer, the immediate impression is that analysing form and horse performances will become near impossible.

Although the situation is bound to settle down when jockeys become more familiar with the rules, rides so far have been of varying competence and races have looked absolutely woeful.

Half of the jockeys are almost standing up in their irons after giving their horses the maximum number of smacks, whilst you can see others actually pausing to count how many times they have hit their horse.

What will the stewards do when a horse is allowed to coast home in a National Hunt race from a mile out because the jockey has had to use his whip to encourage his mount over the obstacles?

And on this point, why on earth is a three mile chase deemed almost the same as a five furlong sprint, with only one more hit with the whip allowed despite having to travel nearly five times as far?

And on a long run-in like at Aintree, where there is 494 yards between the final fence and the winning line, why should jockeys have to follow the same guidelines as those who only have one furlong, or 220 yards?

It's these inconsistencies which give the new legislations a rushed feel, not just the fact that they have been implemented at one of the busiest times of the year, when jockeys are racing for titles, and just five days before a raceday which has been billed as a £3million flag-bearer for British Racing.

There is little doubt that the previous rules were not working, with 0.75 rides per 100 resulting in an infringement of the rules of riding, however showing jockeys just the (metaphorical) stick and not the carrot is not the answer.

Similarly, to say that the best and most willing horses will win the races seems far too simplistic. Horses, like every animal in the world, not just humans, are individuals and as a result each will respond in their own way to different situations.

Should schools merely say to their youngest pupils: "There is the end result, a job and all your dreams, now go and complete x-number years of school without guidance"?

The Review admits that the previous whip rules were unclear, with the maximum number of times a horse could be hit with the whip (15), "set down in the Guide are not required to be strictly applied."

"The overriding theme from those consulted was that the Rules, and their application, did not provide clarity. This view was expressed strongly by the PJA and jockeys."

The grey areas have been the acceptable use of the whip in terms of frequency, giving the horse time to respond and the logistics of where to hit the horse.

Let's concentrate on re-educating the jockeys - as I'm sure the BHA plan to - rather than banning and fining them.

Is that really fair, when the horse is not disqualified?

Crucially, jockeys are supposed to try to win races.

And that is what they have been doing, as the Review explains, there "is an almost perfect correlation between close finishes for placings and the likelihood of a whip offence."

Worryingly leading rider William Buick on Monday said that he would now rather finish second than pick up a ban that would prove costly to him in the future.

It is this attitude, which is perhaps understandable, which will put people off betting on horseracing. Bookmakers love FOBT's. We don't.


Like it or not, punters are as crucial to horseracing (under the current levy system at least) as the horse, trainer or jockey, and it is time that the BHA and other leading figures recognised this, not just in their words, but in their actions.

Anyone who has ever had a bet knows how difficult it can be to find winners; if it was easy then there would be no bookmakers. But will fans of horseracing continue to bet when they are faced with yet another imponderable?

There are 433 professional jockeys. How easy will they find it to make a living?

For those with retainers the job will not get much harder, for they will know that a regular income awaits them almost regardless of their horse's finishing position.

But what about the journeymen jockeys who travel the length and breadth of the country?

Do they risk a ban in order to get ahorse's head in front, or do they stick to the rules and lose the ride next time because an owner or trainer feels they haven't given a horse a good ride.

It's not as simplistic as some believe, that the best horsemen will rise to the top. It will be those who make the best decisions, but in a sport where a split-second moment of indecision can be the difference between winning and losing, how often will the best decision be made?

The last situation that we want is jockeys who are afraid to win.

The question people ask when the subject of horseracing comes into general conversation is often based around whether everyone is trying their hardest to win.

The BHA have made great strides in trying to crack down on cheating in the sport, however they have surely shot themselves in the foot somewhat, with the new ruling opening up new questions over the transparency of the races themselves.

The BHA's mission statement is to provide the most compelling and attractive racing in the world.

This whip review has unfortunately put that aim totally at risk.

However the saying goes that "if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem", so what can be done?

Firstly, I believe that the BHA needs to admit that the rules need tinkering, and this needs to be done quickly.

More consultation with jockeys is an obvious place to start, and the difference between Flat and jumps racing needs to become more pronounced and more realistic.

If jockeys are struggling to work out when they are in the final furlong, then how about a line being drawn across the course in order to rule out any grey area?

Personally I do not believe that there should be a hard and fast limit on the number of times a horse should be hit in a race.

The scientific evidence suggests that the current whip does not hurt a horse and as long as the horse still has energy to give, I do not believe that a jockey should be discouraged from encouraging it to run faster.


If a jockey hits a tired horse - and there are enough stewards with a strong enough equine knowledge to be aware when this is happening - then the penalties should be severe.

But I do not believe that a token gesture to try and encourage new racegoers is something that we in racing should be concentrating on.

Only by getting our own house in order - supporting all levels of the sport, not just those with the financial, media or political clout to have their say - will horseracing become more attractive to those members of the general public, who, at this stage, have little or no interest.

Let's support our own jockeys, horses, owners and punters before anything else.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/10/11/manual_163719.html&BID=465 (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/10/11/manual_163719.html&BID=465)

Brilliant article. This whole affair is an utter farce. I hope the powers that be over here have the common sense not to go down the same road.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 01:17:50 PM
was listening to TalkSport last evening and Micky Quinn was talkin to Goughy and Adrian Durham, really interesting interview between Gough and Quinn, Durham was acting the total knob (as he tends to do) by asking Quinn repeatedly is the problem with jockeys that they cant count to 5. I dont understand why Quinn didnt tell the d1ck to cop on to himself, it is a much bigger issue 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 13, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
4.40 Tilly Ann
Owner says its out to win... Got it at 9/2 there a short while ago!! (Don't shoot the messenger)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on October 13, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: Candyman on October 13, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
4.40 Tilly Ann
Owner says its out to win... Got it at 9/2 there a short while ago!! (Don't shoot the messenger)

Fk sake Candyman.  I backed that earlier.  You're a ghost
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 03:00:09 PM
nice start to that double today DH, Stepstofreedom does the business so hopefully Nina can power that shorter priced fav home in front  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 13, 2011, 03:39:11 PM
Quote from: Candyman on October 13, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
4.40 Tilly Ann
Owner says its out to win... Got it at 9/2 there a short while ago!! (Don't shoot the messenger)

I kind of liked farleigh house in that race seen it run 2days ago and should have won i think,you put a bit of doubt in me now not sure what to do now lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 03:00:09 PM
nice start to that double today DH, Stepstofreedom does the business so hopefully Nina can power that shorter priced fav home in front  ;)

He's a useful prospect that Steps To Freedom. It's obviously very early days but I think we'll have an above average crop of novice hurdlers this winter. The bumper form from last year looks quite decent even though none of them actually went to Cheltenham. Waaheb, Samain, Mount Benbulben and Lovethehigherlaw are all horses to look forward to over the next few weeks. Dylan Ross has already won over timber and there's a few nice horses off the flat that I'm hearing are going hurdling - Distant Memories has joined Tom Taaffe in recent days.

Bit of a turn up in the novice chase. Neither of the big guns landing a blow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
Novice chases being the novices that they are, are normally ones to stay clear of as I tend to get them all wrong....  ???

the Irish hurdlers have been more miss than hit with the resurgence of the English raiders in recent years since the heady days of watching Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace, Macs Joy, et al so it would be good to see some real contenders come to the fore this season
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
Novice chases being the novices that they are, are normally ones to stay clear of as I tend to get them all wrong....  ???

the Irish hurdlers have been more miss than hit with the resurgence of the English raiders in recent years since the heady days of watching Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace, Macs Joy, et al so it would be good to see some real contenders come to the fore this season

It seems that Hurricane Fly is scaring off the hurdling competition. Peddlers Cross, Menorah, Solwhit and Oscar Whiskey are all going novice chasing. With Thousand Stars set to take on Big Bucks, if I was having a bet on a horse to chase home Hurricane Fly now it would probably be on Oscars Well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
Novice chases being the novices that they are, are normally ones to stay clear of as I tend to get them all wrong....  ???

the Irish hurdlers have been more miss than hit with the resurgence of the English raiders in recent years since the heady days of watching Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace, Macs Joy, et al so it would be good to see some real contenders come to the fore this season

It seems that Hurricane Fly is scaring off the hurdling competition. Peddlers Cross, Menorah, Solwhit and Oscar Whiskey are all going novice chasing. With Thousand Stars set to take on Big Bucks, if I was having a bet on a horse to chase home Hurricane Fly now it would probably be on Oscars Well.

Too right! Well it is a machine after all. It'll be interesting to see how Oscars Well performs on its return to the track at Down Royal on the 4th November...  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
Novice chases being the novices that they are, are normally ones to stay clear of as I tend to get them all wrong....  ???

the Irish hurdlers have been more miss than hit with the resurgence of the English raiders in recent years since the heady days of watching Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace, Macs Joy, et al so it would be good to see some real contenders come to the fore this season

It seems that Hurricane Fly is scaring off the hurdling competition. Peddlers Cross, Menorah, Solwhit and Oscar Whiskey are all going novice chasing. With Thousand Stars set to take on Big Bucks, if I was having a bet on a horse to chase home Hurricane Fly now it would probably be on Oscars Well.

Too right! Well it is a machine after all. It'll be interesting to see how Oscars Well performs on its return to the track at Down Royal on the 4th November...  8)

I've had to re-evaluate my opinion of him after Cheltenham. I had him down as a bit of a staying mudlark (after winning the Grade 1 at Navan) but now I'm thinking 2 miles is going to be right up his alley. He ran so free at Cheltenham and I thought he was emptying when he made his mistake at the last. A strongly run 2 miles will probably see him in the best light.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on October 13, 2011, 04:41:27 PM
Ascot on Saturday
2.25: Ladies are forever e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 13, 2011, 04:48:05 PM
Quote from: Candyman on October 13, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
4.40 Tilly Ann
Owner says its out to win... Got it at 9/2 there a short while ago!! (Don't shoot the messenger)

Well done,did well to get that horse up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on October 13, 2011, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 13, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: Candyman on October 13, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
4.40 Tilly Ann
Owner says its out to win... Got it at 9/2 there a short while ago!! (Don't shoot the messenger)

Fk sake Candyman.  I backed that earlier.  You're a ghost

Cried that out well
Title: Beirt
Post by: drici on October 13, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/7f67b80913b17585f8927df729c064bc6cf775cff339506063318c2e5b5e69656g.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 13, 2011, 05:26:42 PM
Cheers Candyman got it at 5's.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on October 13, 2011, 06:12:32 PM
Any selections for tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
Novice chases being the novices that they are, are normally ones to stay clear of as I tend to get them all wrong....  ???

the Irish hurdlers have been more miss than hit with the resurgence of the English raiders in recent years since the heady days of watching Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace, Macs Joy, et al so it would be good to see some real contenders come to the fore this season

It seems that Hurricane Fly is scaring off the hurdling competition. Peddlers Cross, Menorah, Solwhit and Oscar Whiskey are all going novice chasing. With Thousand Stars set to take on Big Bucks, if I was having a bet on a horse to chase home Hurricane Fly now it would probably be on Oscars Well.

Too right! Well it is a machine after all. It'll be interesting to see how Oscars Well performs on its return to the track at Down Royal on the 4th November...  8)

I've had to re-evaluate my opinion of him after Cheltenham. I had him down as a bit of a staying mudlark (after winning the Grade 1 at Navan) but now I'm thinking 2 miles is going to be right up his alley. He ran so free at Cheltenham and I thought he was emptying when he made his mistake at the last. A strongly run 2 miles will probably see him in the best light.

Connections & Jessie under the impression this one is the real deal. Can handle from soft to heavy ground (was in fine nick after the Grade 1 at Navan, hill and all) also handled the heavy going well at Leopardstown when it crusied to victory over Zaidpour by 5 and a half lengths, as for distance, untried I think over 2.5 miles but it hasnt been seen all out in the last furlong holding on, so far... the 20/1 on offer at the moment for the Champion Hurdle looks really appealing to me at present
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
Novice chases being the novices that they are, are normally ones to stay clear of as I tend to get them all wrong....  ???

the Irish hurdlers have been more miss than hit with the resurgence of the English raiders in recent years since the heady days of watching Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace, Macs Joy, et al so it would be good to see some real contenders come to the fore this season

It seems that Hurricane Fly is scaring off the hurdling competition. Peddlers Cross, Menorah, Solwhit and Oscar Whiskey are all going novice chasing. With Thousand Stars set to take on Big Bucks, if I was having a bet on a horse to chase home Hurricane Fly now it would probably be on Oscars Well.

Too right! Well it is a machine after all. It'll be interesting to see how Oscars Well performs on its return to the track at Down Royal on the 4th November...  8)

I've had to re-evaluate my opinion of him after Cheltenham. I had him down as a bit of a staying mudlark (after winning the Grade 1 at Navan) but now I'm thinking 2 miles is going to be right up his alley. He ran so free at Cheltenham and I thought he was emptying when he made his mistake at the last. A strongly run 2 miles will probably see him in the best light.

Connections & Jessie under the impression this one is the real deal. Can handle from soft to heavy ground (was in fine nick after the Grade 1 at Navan, hill and all) also handled the heavy going well at Leopardstown when it crusied to victory over Zaidpour by 5 and a half lengths, as for distance, untried I think over 2.5 miles but it hasnt been seen all out in the last furlong holding on, so far... the 20/1 on offer at the moment for the Champion Hurdle looks really appealing to me at present

I'd say he's the best value at present for the Champion Hurdle. I think he'd need something to go wrong with Hurricane Fly in the interim (not beyond the realms of possibility given HF's fragility)  to win the race though. HF's performance at Punchestown was simply breathtaking. He made high class horses like Menorah, Binocular and Thousand Stars look like mules. I genuinely think he has the raw ability to surpass Istabraq provided he stays sound.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 13, 2011, 08:32:27 PM
Hughes gets second ban and hands in licence ?   :o What a mess.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 11:34:17 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 13, 2011, 08:32:27 PM
Hughes gets second ban and hands in licence ?   :o What a mess.

Sensational news. I don't think anyone anticipated something like that breaking tonight.

Fair play to Dickie for having the balls to make a stand. I doubt his father-in-law is too impressed but I'm sure his aul fella will have a few nice hurdlers to keep him occupied during the winter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 11:08:11 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 13, 2011, 11:34:17 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 13, 2011, 08:32:27 PM
Hughes gets second ban and hands in licence ?   :o What a mess.

Sensational news. I don't think anyone anticipated something like that breaking tonight.

Fair play to Dickie for having the balls to make a stand. I doubt his father-in-law is too impressed but I'm sure his aul fella will have a few nice hurdlers to keep him occupied during the winter.

From The Telegraph:

If, after sleeping on it, Hughes is still good to his word it means he will miss riding Dick Turpin against Frankel in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes at Ascot on Saturday as well as four other high-profile rides on Polly's Mark, Libranno, Bolivia and Casamento on the richest day's racing ever staged in Britain at Ascot.

Hughes was a close second on More Than Words in the maiden fillies' stakes on the all-weather. As happened when he was banned on Monday, he did not use his maximum seven hits but, crucially, he hit the horse six times inside the last furlong when only five are allowed. His 15-day ban means he will miss the potentially lucrative ride in the Breeders' Cup Mile on Strong Suit. It also means that one more breach and he is in danger of having his licence revoked by the authorities.

An immediate strike by riders at Kempton was narrowly averted by his colleagues Steve Drowne and Martin Dwyer who persuaded other jockeys that it would have done more harm than good and would have upset trainers and owners with horses in the last few races. Both onside with jockeys at the moment.

Hughes said: "Until it's resolved I won't be riding. It's my own decision. I'm not a whip jockey but they are taking the art of race riding away from me. It's like telling [Lionel] Messi not to use his left foot. When it came in we all thought seven hits was a fair number but they set a trap for us restricting us to five inside the last furlong.

"I was always taught to wait and wait before going for the whip but it now means we have to hit them sooner [before the furlong marker] than we would have done, the rule's encouraging us to hit them earlier. I feel now I can't do my owners justice."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on October 14, 2011, 11:22:39 AM
I'll be backing Frankel big tomorrow again. 1/3? If anyone wants to buy money your bookies is open now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 14, 2011, 11:28:54 AM
Is Ryan Moore moving to Ballydoyle? SSN announced it this morning, but seems it is not set in stone as yet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2011, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 14, 2011, 11:28:54 AM
Is Ryan Moore moving to Ballydoyle? SSN announced it this morning, but seems it is not set in stone as yet.

The way things are going in England it won't be long before all the top jockeys are relocating over here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on October 14, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: attheraces on October 14, 2011, 11:22:39 AM
I'll be backing Frankel big tomorrow again. 1/3? If anyone wants to buy money your bookies is open now.

Is Frankel/So You Think double the way to go tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 14, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
Quote from: attheraces on October 14, 2011, 11:22:39 AM
I'll be backing Frankel big tomorrow again. 1/3? If anyone wants to buy money your bookies is open now.

You havent the stones  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on October 14, 2011, 01:06:14 PM
STRIKE ON MONDAY?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/horse_racing/15304099.stm

Jockeys are planning to strike on Monday in protest at new whip rules introduced by the British Horseracing Authority, BBC Sport understands.

Did they learn nothing from Australia?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/jockey-strike-averted-for-now-over-whip-rules/story-e6frg7mo-1225771589323
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
The rest of them should have followed Dickie's lead and given an ultimatum to the authorities before their silly 'Champions Day' tomorrow. I'd say half of them are only thinking about the potential prize money they'd be missing out on though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
The rest of them should have followed Dickie's lead and given an ultimatum to the authorities before their silly 'Champions Day' tomorrow. I'd say half of them are only thinking about the potential prize money they'd be missing out on though.

Understandable in a way DH, but nail on head... money talks even though the jocks have a great opportunity to make a real stand here against this dung. As if a 1 ton race horse travelling at top speed can even feel the crack of a whip from an 8 stone jockey in full throttle on top, they bloody love it. When do you ever see a horse hobbling back in from a race because the jockey hit it too hard, too many times? JOKE
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2011, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
The rest of them should have followed Dickie's lead and given an ultimatum to the authorities before their silly 'Champions Day' tomorrow. I'd say half of them are only thinking about the potential prize money they'd be missing out on though.

Understandable in a way DH, but nail on head... money talks even though the jocks have a great opportunity to make a real stand here against this dung. As if a 1 ton race horse travelling at top speed can even feel the crack of a whip from an 8 stone jockey in full throttle on top, they bloody love it. When do you ever see a horse hobbling back in from a race because the jockey hit it too hard, too many times? JOKE

I'm certain if a few more of the top lads (Dettori, Moore, Fallon etc.) told the BHA that out of solidarity for RH they aren't going to ride at Ascot tomorrow then they'd have to back down fairly sharpish. They've put all their eggs in the one basket with this 'Champions Day' lark and the last thing they would want is for it to turn into a pr disaster with none of the top riders turning up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2011, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on October 14, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: attheraces on October 14, 2011, 11:22:39 AM
I'll be backing Frankel big tomorrow again. 1/3? If anyone wants to buy money your bookies is open now.

Is Frankel/So You Think double the way to go tomorrow?

Frankel is probably a fair price at 1/3. Excelebration and the French filly are very good 3yos but you can't help but get the impression that even if Frankel is a stone below his best, he'll still hold them cosily.

My thoughts on So You Think are well known. He does have the best form of any horse in the race by a distance (considering Twice Over never seems to run to his best around Ascot) but he has had a hard campaign and this race frequently throws up strange results because of its position in the calendar. I will be having an e/w punt on Dubai Prince given that he should be a lot fresher than most of these. It's a massive step up in class for him but I know how highly DK and Pat Smullen rated him as a 2yo. I'm hoping he can surprise a few of the more familiar names tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Canalman on October 14, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
Not a big horsey fan at all. but there is no way the jockeys are going to take the chance and let younger hungrier and possibly better jockeys take their rides (phnar phnar) while they protest away. Storm in a teacup imo. Rules are there now.............. get on with it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 14, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
Not a big horsey fan at all. but there is no way the jockeys are going to take the chance and let younger hungrier and possibly better jockeys take their rides (phnar phnar) while they protest away. Storm in a teacup imo. Rules are there now.............. get on with it.

What does phnar phnar mean?

If they were possibly better, you dont think they would be doing the jobs themselves?

Its a very silly rule that makes no real sense, it should be quickly changed back... QUICKLY
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2011, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 14, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
Not a big horsey fan at all. but there is no way the jockeys are going to take the chance and let younger hungrier and possibly better jockeys take their rides (phnar phnar) while they protest away. Storm in a teacup imo. Rules are there now.............. get on with it.

Far from it IMO. These rules fundamentally change the sport - particularly NH racing. Some horses are lazy and need more encouragement than others. Would the likes of Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace, Inglis Drever and Denman have half the number of Grade 1s to their names if they raced under these rules? I don't think so. The whole issue is one of perception and they have gone totally the wrong way in trying to address it. The stick is an essential tool of a jockey and the authorities should be trying to raise awareness of why it is needed, how it is used, how it is designed and engineered, and how it affects the horses. Instead they have implemented these crazy new rules that just don't make any sense whatsoever.

If the high profile riders like McCoy, Walsh, Dettori, Moore etc follow Dickie Hughes' lead then it won't be long before these rules are either thrown out completely or heavily modified. Owners won't be long kicking up a fuss if the top lads aren't available to ride their animals and punters will quickly lose confidence in the game once the formlines are thrown up in the air. Once that process begins (and it won't be far away) then racing in the UK is fcuked.

The BHA are on a slippery slope here and they are in big trouble if they continue down this road. The reasoning behind these rule changes was that they believed a large proportion of the general public are put off the game because they do not like to see horses being struck with the stick. How long before it is deemed "too dangerous" to run them over 5 foot birch fences or wooden hurdles? How long before it is deemed to be "too cruel" to push at a horses neck or kick it in the belly to make it go faster?

The BHA should be trying to educate the general public and newcomes to the sport. They should not be trying to victimise pure horsemen like Hughes who are simply doing their job - trying their best to win races for owners and punters alike.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 05:38:44 PM
MID MON LADY in the last @ Dundalk looks a very solid e/w bet at 11/2

next thing we'll see footballers being told they can't kick the ball too hard as it might hurt the goalies hands! ffs!!

Fran Berry didn't cover himself with glory on board Mid Mon Lady in the lucky last. Just couldn't find a spot to get through as there was blanket cover ahead of him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 06:06:59 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 14, 2011, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 14, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
Not a big horsey fan at all. but there is no way the jockeys are going to take the chance and let younger hungrier and possibly better jockeys take their rides (phnar phnar) while they protest away. Storm in a teacup imo. Rules are there now.............. get on with it.

What does phnar phnar mean?
I believe it's a strange kind of laugh people do to show sexual inyourendo (phnar phnar).

uurgh, is he some kind of sexual deviant then? Animal fetish or something?  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 14, 2011, 06:56:13 PM
Glad to see decent jump racing back all the same!

Sizing Symphony @ 5/4
That'll Do @ 5/2
Paint The Clouds @ 5/2
Traffic Article @ 8/1
Lucky 15, 15 bets * £1.00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
Lady Fashion also fancied in the 8.30, so will try an nice e/w double 11/2 and 5/1 on the two Ladys... :-*

Why are they running so late over there anyway??

Got tripped up in running when ready to makes it move...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 14, 2011, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 14, 2011, 06:56:13 PM
Glad to see decent jump racing back all the same!

Sizing Symphony @ 5/4
That'll Do @ 5/2
Paint The Clouds @ 5/2
Traffic Article @ 8/1
Lucky 15, 15 bets * £1.00

What about the losers?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on October 14, 2011, 09:59:01 PM
Just a reminder

2.25 Ladies are Forever Ascot e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on October 14, 2011, 09:59:01 PM
Just a reminder

2.25 Ladies are Forever Ascot e/w

I have had enough of the Ladies after those two Lady's tonight. Ah well, that's racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2011, 01:43:34 PM
Magic sign going 1/2 Frankel  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2011, 01:54:24 PM
Brilliant out of Spencer. Rode them all to sleep from the front.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 15, 2011, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2011, 01:54:24 PM
Brilliant out of Spencer. Rode them all to sleep from the front.

Yep. They must have all thought he was really going to tie up in front but the horse stayed strong for long enough to get home in front. Great stuff from Spencer indeed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2011, 02:51:41 PM
Good interview with Dickie Hughes on the BBC. He spoke very well and has showed great humility to offer an apology to Sheikh Fahad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haze on October 15, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
I wonder how much better Frankel can get next year.. Great for racing to have a horse like that
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
He definitely looks like he's maturing. Much more relaxed and less headstrong today. You could see him getting 10f.

Interesting to see if either America or Dubai are on the agenda.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 15, 2011, 04:13:58 PM
How annoying is Clare Balding?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on October 15, 2011, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
He definitely looks like he's maturing. Much more relaxed and less headstrong today. You could see him getting 10f.

Interesting to see if either America or Dubai are on the agenda.

Do you think he would have beat STS over 10F?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on October 15, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
Those in the know did the use of the whip get the French up on SYT and therefore effect the outcome of the race?

5 day ban and loss of his share of the 700k prize money. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:59:09 PM
Nick Luck exposed Paul Roy on Racing UK . Roy couldnt remember exactly who made the decision to change the rules this week . :o. PJA seem like a waste of space though. Havent represented the jockeys views at all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on October 16, 2011, 11:00:01 AM
Frankel quite possibly the best we have ever seen. He is beating classy horses comfortably.

DH I see First Lieutenant running today at the 4.30 at Cork. Thinking of backing him do you think he is a good thing?Oscar Dan Dan is a classy hurdler surely if his chasing debut goes smoothly he would be one to watch?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 16, 2011, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: attheraces on October 16, 2011, 11:00:01 AM
Frankel quite possibly the best we have ever seen. He is beating classy horses comfortably.

DH I see First Lieutenant running today at the 4.30 at Cork. Thinking of backing him do you think he is a good thing?Oscar Dan Dan is a classy hurdler surely if his chasing debut goes smoothly he would be one to watch?

Surely De Valira at 9/1 is the value in the race. Already won chasing, can go on the ground and Ruby on board.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on October 16, 2011, 12:31:11 PM
Quote from: boojangles on October 16, 2011, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: attheraces on October 16, 2011, 11:00:01 AM
Frankel quite possibly the best we have ever seen. He is beating classy horses comfortably.

DH I see First Lieutenant running today at the 4.30 at Cork. Thinking of backing him do you think he is a good thing?Oscar Dan Dan is a classy hurdler surely if his chasing debut goes smoothly he would be one to watch?

Surely De Valira at 9/1 is the value in the race. Already won chasing, can go on the ground and Ruby on board.

Been placing in grade 3 last two times out and it's very hard to give him more than each way chances in this company IMO this time round (ran just three days ago as well), bear in mind that is me just looking at some basic results. Don't know much about First Lieutenant to be honest. I have seen a right bit of Oscar Dan Dan and if he takes to chasing he shouldn't be far away. Though anything I have been reading in past 10 minutes is backing FL strongly, plus from what I have read on here in past month or so.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on October 16, 2011, 12:48:10 PM
does sober sailor run in the first at cork, he's second reserve but 3 non runners in the original 21
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on October 16, 2011, 07:00:26 PM
Quote from: attheraces on October 16, 2011, 12:31:11 PM
Quote from: boojangles on October 16, 2011, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: attheraces on October 16, 2011, 11:00:01 AM
Frankel quite possibly the best we have ever seen. He is beating classy horses comfortably.

DH I see First Lieutenant running today at the 4.30 at Cork. Thinking of backing him do you think he is a good thing?Oscar Dan Dan is a classy hurdler surely if his chasing debut goes smoothly he would be one to watch?

Surely De Valira at 9/1 is the value in the race. Already won chasing, can go on the ground and Ruby on board.

Been placing in grade 3 last two times out and it's very hard to give him more than each way chances in this company IMO this time round (ran just three days ago as well), bear in mind that is me just looking at some basic results. Don't know much about First Lieutenant to be honest. I have seen a right bit of Oscar Dan Dan and if he takes to chasing he shouldn't be far away. Though anything I have been reading in past 10 minutes is backing FL strongly, plus from what I have read on here in past month or so.

Hope you backed it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 16, 2011, 08:11:52 PM
Not a great day for Michael O'Leary with Weapons Amnesty ruled out for the season.

I don't think First Lieutenant lost anything in defeat and I wouldn't agree with Boycie's assessment on ATR. Mallow was never going to suit him. The mare falling three out did him no good because he's so idle but he really picked up and battled well when headed. Rebel Fitz was very impressive in the novice hurdle. That Mike Winters seems a really likeable character so it's great to see him having another talented horse along with For Bill.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 17, 2011, 10:36:07 AM
Haven't received any word yet however i do fancy Sharp Sovereign in the 5.40 Pontefract. About 4/1 at the minute.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on October 18, 2011, 12:51:52 PM
A great interview with Kieran Fallon published in the Gaurdian today...

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Kieren Fallon: 'You expect me to count how many times I hit a horse?'

The 46-year-old six-times champion jockey discusses the BHA's new whip rule, and why another title would be the sweetest of all


'The actual court case was the fun bit,' says the 46-year-old jockey Kieren Fallon of his trial for race-fixing, which collapsed in 2007, 'but the three-and-a-half-year wait to get there was sheer mental torture.' Photograph: Anna Gowthorpe/PA


Donald McRae

The Guardian, Mon 17 Oct 2011 23.00 BST



Kieren Fallon walks towards the weighing room on a gorgeous autumn afternoon at Ascot with his head down and a phone pressed to his ear. His mouth does not move as, silently, the gaunt little man they still call The Assassin weaves through the crowd. Beautiful women dressed to kill and heavyweight men scanning the odds for the richest event of the year in British Flat-racing, last Saturday's Champions Day, all step aside for Fallon. The six-times champion jockey, a man haunted by his past and the trouble still surrounding him in racing, moves with meaningful intent.

I catch up with him on the edge of a gleaming parade ring. "It's good to see you, Kieren."

"It's not good to see you," Fallon replies. "I f**king hate interviews."

I have been pursuing Fallon for months because, when it comes to brilliant but complicated sportsmen, there are few people I have wanted to meet more. His face looks like it is etched out of chalky‑white stone as he slips his phone into his pocket. Chasing his seventh championship jockey's title, while battling with the British Horseracing Authority over its contentious rulings relating to use of the whip, Fallon allows himself to be steered into a tiny room normally occupied by the handicapper at Ascot.

There is just enough space for a chair and a desk. Fallon keeps standing, and his searing gaze never leaves me. "How long will this take," he asks. "Ten minutes?"

"A little longer ..."

"I gave somebody just one sentence and that was enough for him to write a book."

"I'm not as clever as that," I admit. "Is that how it is?" Fallon says, almost smiling.

Standing a foot away from him, I start hesitantly. Does he have any ambivalent feelings about riding one of Richard Hughes's horses at Ascot?

"It's available," he shrugs. "If I didn't take it, somebody else would."

Hughes, as a jockey, reacted to his recent ban for excessive use of his whip by announcing that he would not race again until the BHA changed its draconian new rule. This stipulates that a jockey will be suspended if he uses his whip more than seven times in a race – or more than five times in the final furlong. Fury in the weighing room is palpable and, in Fallon, it finds compelling voice.

"Look," Fallon says of Hughes, "it's wiped out the rest of his season. But we all need to stand up for ourselves. We're being bullied all the time. That's the top and bottom of it. The BHA know that as well."

Fallon pauses, but a torrent is about to be unleashed. "The main guy over here is Jamie Stier [the Australian-born director of racing operations at the BHA]. Why don't you chat to him? He's come over here because they didn't want him there. They don't want him in Hong Kong either. We always end up with the person that nobody else wants and it causes this."

Stier resigned as Hong Kong's chief stipendiary steward in 2009 after six years in the role, citing the need for a fresh challenge, and was praised for his professionalism and dedication by the chief executive of Hong Kong's jockey club. Fallon's disdain for Stier and the BHA is, however, plain.

"Our prize money has gone about a third down. How can they justify putting up fines for jockeys? If we're late in the paddock we get fined. Crazy.

"In Hong Kong the suspensions and fines are for interference. But there's a difference between Hong Kong and here. Our racing is third world, isn't it? During the week it's third world prize money. Pony racing in Ireland is better than racing in the week here."

At the Qipco Champions Day, with so much serious prize-money on offer, and a magnificent horse like Frankel running like a dream, Fallon's withering assessment might sound strange. But in his quest to win another champion jockey's title he clearly sees some of the more humdrum corners of British racing.

"I was at Wolverhampton last night, and winging it round at twenty past nine, and if they'd let me I'd still be winging round there at midnight. Wolverhampton's got a lovely surface even if it's a bit tight at the first turn. You've got cheap horses running for cheap money but I love it. I don't do it for the money. The money's not worth it. But the buzz of winning makes everything worth it."

Fallon's phone was hacked into at least 28 times by the News of the World and allegations of race fixing were lodged against him. His racing licence was suspended – until the case against him was demolished at the Old Bailey in December 2007. The following day he was then suspended for a further 18 months after it was revealed he had tested positive for cocaine. Despite such strife Fallon is consumed by the idea that the whip rule should not impinge on the integrity of this year's champion jockey race.

The winner will be confirmed two weeks on Saturday, with Paul Hanagan, the current champion, on 149 winners. Silvestre De Sousa is on 145 and Fallon on 140. Fallon's recent winners have lessened because, apart from being banned for two days last week, on Saturday night he flew to Canada immediately after Ascot. He raced in Canada on Sunday and came straight back to London so he could ride at Windsor on Monday.

"If the champion jockey race goes all the way it's going to be real exciting. Silvestre's not out of it – even with a four-day suspension. But the whip rule for Silvestre is tough. He likes the whip. I want to beat people fair and square and not because of the whip. If Paul was to get suspended you wouldn't want to win it like that. You have to win on merit. I don't think he will get suspended because he's very conscious of it; but that affects his riding. I've spoken to Paul and it's difficult for him. I'm lucky. I can whistle to my horse and he'll really extend for me."

Fallon makes a low, shrill whistle through his teeth. "Nine out of 10 horses respond to that. They're trying to get away from the whistle. I've been doing it for years, ever since I worked out that horses would run quicker for me if I did that instead of tapping them. They don't feel the tap because they have adrenalin."

As a jockey who races his horses sympathetically, preferring to whistle them into a winning position, Fallon's strident opposition to the whip rule is persuasive. "I don't use my whip much. That doesn't mean I wouldn't hit a horse more than six times – it happens easily. We don't count like these people. We're just concentrating on getting the best out of our horse. You can't be going [Fallon counts slowly] 'one, two, three ...' I shut down completely to everything when I'm riding. People say, 'When you won the Derby did you hear the crowd?' I can't hear a thing. I'm locked in my own world. And you expect me to count how many times I hit a horse? It's crazy."

He stresses that the jockeys are open to negotiation. "We don't mind coming down to the seven [as the permitted number of times a whip can be used]. We don't mind using the silly whips either – the air-cushioned ones that just make a pop – a noise. [But] who are the BHA bowing down to? Is it the RSPCA? Do they have the equivalent organisation in Ireland or France or Germany? Obviously they do. So how come the RSPCA in those countries are not getting involved? Why is it only in English racing?"

Such discord means that when Fallon is asked if he expects an early resolution of the crisis, he says: "To be honest with you: No."

He and his fellow jockeys object most to the apparently bullying stance of the BHA. "The shit we have to put up with. All the carry-on. You've got 25 f**king guys in the weighing room sneaking around to see if you're using your phone. They're spending all this money checking we don't use our phones in the weighing room. Changes should be made."

Fallon's racing style means it might suit him if the whip penalty undermined his rivals. "My friends have said: 'Why are you worrying? No one was worrying about you when you were doing your three years. No one phoned you.' And they're right. But I don't like to see other jockeys being bullied."

Did anyone in racing support Fallon during his various court cases? "No. Nobody wanted to know. You can understand why. But even when I was found innocent, which everyone knew I was, the stigma stayed. It's still there, isn't it? There was this feeling you were guilty until proven innocent. I suffered for three and a half years. That's how long it took to get to court. They were trying to invent evidence against me. Everyone in court saw what the police tried to do. Some of the stuff was incredible. The actual court case was the fun bit – watching them get destroyed at the Old Bailey. But the three‑and‑a‑half-year wait to get there was sheer mental torture."

The 46-year-old Irishman is now determined to win his seventh title. "It's bang on. I'm going to chase Paul all the way. I've got three weeks left. Plenty of time. Plenty of meetings. I just have to knuckle down. And if I win it this year lots of people will be disappointed. It will eat away at them. They won't like it."

Would this seventh possible title mean more to Fallon for that very reason? "For sure it would."

Despite continued good will towards him from many ordinary punters, since returning to racing Fallon has not been offered many of the classy horses he would most like to ride. Is this down to his infamy? "That's probably the main reason. A lot of trainers I used to ride quite a bit for don't use me at all now. It has to be for that reason. I know it can't be down to my racing – because my riding sure hasn't got worse. If anything I feel better and I'm doing much more with less ammunition now. I'm lucky to have [the trainer] Luca Cumani supporting me. So it is a lot tougher. But I like it that way. I'm loving it. The tougher it is, the bigger the buzz."

Is there anything the old Assassin can do to change his image? "There's nothing. They can think whatever they want to think about me. They just needed to see me winging round Wolverhampton to see the baggage isn't keeping me back. Neither is the small amount of money on offer. Money has never orientated me. My whole life I've just wanted to win."

Do most jockeys feel this intense passion? "No. There's no passion. In the weighing room, now, the fun is gone. Racing used to be brilliant. There was always a buzz. As one of the boys said to me – it's a job now. For me it's different. I've had a great career – up until I was arrested. Now, you can't enjoy it when sneaks are following you around the weighing room. We don't need it. And now we've all this carry-on – with the whip."

There is a rap on the door. After 45 minutes of standing and straight talking Fallon needs to get ready for the 2.25 at Ascot. He seems reluctant to stop talking and we meet again as soon as he is changed. Then, mischief and humour coursing through him, Fallon persuades me to approach Stier, his current BHA bogeyman. As a delighted Fallon watches me ask a mildly discomforted Stier to discuss the jockey's comments, the Australian apologises and says he can't speak in public. His bosses will release a media statement this week. "What did I tell you?" Fallon says, cackling.

Before he escapes the troublesome world of people for the horses he loves, Fallon gives me a wink.

"The interview wasn't so bad, was it?" I ask. "No," Fallon smiles before, like a ghost, disappearing into the glaring light of the parade ring. "It went OK."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 19, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
few of the lads heading to Navan today... any fancies, Mr DH?  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 19, 2011, 01:49:34 PM
2.05 the munster maori runs again after being beaten by a head on saturday,didnt see the race on saturday but heard it was unlucky,not sure what its chances are today but could be worth taking  a chance on it in the first race,see its 6/1 and paying 4 places so prob easy to back ew
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 19, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
The Munster Maori in the first....should go close again after its second at Cork the other day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 19, 2011, 02:37:56 PM
What about Camelot in the RP trophy at the weekend? I see it is being well backed anyhow! Banker material DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 19, 2011, 02:46:41 PM
He must be showing an awful lot at home but the form of his maiden is nothing to write home about. I'd happily let him run at the price.

It's a tough time of year to be trying to pick winners - many flat horses will be 'over the top' at this stage and some of the 2yos are being rushed forward to either get a run or a maiden win under their belts. Most of the better NH horses are only half fit for their reappearance and the ground is changing too. That's before even considering the new whip rules across the water.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 20, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Any fancies for Tipperary later fellas?

Word for one 5.30 Carlisle Williows Saviour...its an evens fav tho!  :-\

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 20, 2011, 12:48:28 PM
This irish racing website is shite! Trying to add my horses to the tracker service and it keeps crashing.

Do they email you in the morning of the races then, when do they send the weekend updates?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 20, 2011, 02:15:34 PM
2.15 Shop DJ
2.45 Rivage D'or
3.20 Marathon Leader
3.50 Experimentalist
4.25 Powerstation
4.55 Rossa Parks
5.25 Toomdeely 

all fancies. First two look hard to beat as does the bumper horse. A couple of the others have decent e/w chances at decent odds so might do a small each way double this afternoon, with Powerstation and Experimentalist...  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 20, 2011, 02:58:22 PM
first two winners for you sammy could be the start of a good day for you
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 20, 2011, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Family guy on October 20, 2011, 02:58:22 PM
first two winners for you sammy could be the start of a good day for you

look what you went and done  :P first 3 favs winning in Ireland, how often does that happen?  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on October 20, 2011, 08:20:02 PM
Any selections for tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on October 21, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
So an amendment to the rule...Make much difference? 

Taken from BBC

QuoteThe British Horseracing Authority (BHA) has agreed to amend controversial new regulations on use of the whip, BBC Sport can reveal.

Riders must keep to tight limits on the number of times they strike a horse, seven in Flat races, eight over jumps. But they will now be able to use that allocation at any point in the race.

Jockeys could still lose prize money if they exceed the allowance.

The ruling comes into force immediately and will be applied retrospectively.

Flat jockey Adrian Nicholls, who was given a five-day ban at Pontefract on Monday for whip offences, has welcomed the changes.

"I'm glad that common sense has prevailed," he said. "I thought they were very harsh rules. I think the new rules are better for racing.

"The amount of times was never an issue with me, it was more the hefty bans and the financial penalties. Hopefully now we can put this behind us and concentrate on the good bits about racing."

The move comes after discussions with a delegation of riders and the Professional Jockeys Association (PJA) on Monday.

Jockeys had broadly accepted the introduction of stricter regulations but many were unhappy with the stipulation that the whip could only be used five times in the final furlong or after the last jump, as well as severe penalties, which include losing prize money.

While the specific limit on the final furlong has been lifted, the BHA has retained an element of the financial penalty that jockeys had wanted to remove.

Under the amended rules, if the jockeys exceed the allowance by one stroke they will be suspended, and if it is more than that they will lose any prize money.

Some jockeys will now benefit from the retrospective application of the new rules. Christophe Soumillon who rode Cirrus Des Aigles to victory in the Champion Stakes at Ascot on Saturday is in line to have his prize money reinstated as he broke the rules by just one strike.

Soumillon had been stripped of £52,000 and suspended for five days.

Richard Hughes, who last week gave up his riding licence in protest at the new whip regulations after receiving a second ban in the space of four days, will have his punishment rescinded by the BHA.

The BHA has now urged jockeys to refrain from any possible strike action for the good of the "racing family".

A BHA statement read: "This is a sport not without its challenges, but they will always be outweighed by the sport's strengths.

"These challenges will best be met - and are being met - by finding a common purpose amongst the sport's participants, and by putting the sport first."

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 21, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
Quote from: Muzz on October 21, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
So an amendment to the rule...Make much difference? 

Taken from BBC

QuoteThe British Horseracing Authority (BHA) has agreed to amend controversial new regulations on use of the whip, BBC Sport can reveal.

Riders must keep to tight limits on the number of times they strike a horse, seven in Flat races, eight over jumps. But they will now be able to use that allocation at any point in the race.

Jockeys could still lose prize money if they exceed the allowance.

The ruling comes into force immediately and will be applied retrospectively.

Flat jockey Adrian Nicholls, who was given a five-day ban at Pontefract on Monday for whip offences, has welcomed the changes.

"I'm glad that common sense has prevailed," he said. "I thought they were very harsh rules. I think the new rules are better for racing.

"The amount of times was never an issue with me, it was more the hefty bans and the financial penalties. Hopefully now we can put this behind us and concentrate on the good bits about racing."

The move comes after discussions with a delegation of riders and the Professional Jockeys Association (PJA) on Monday.

Jockeys had broadly accepted the introduction of stricter regulations but many were unhappy with the stipulation that the whip could only be used five times in the final furlong or after the last jump, as well as severe penalties, which include losing prize money.

While the specific limit on the final furlong has been lifted, the BHA has retained an element of the financial penalty that jockeys had wanted to remove.

Under the amended rules, if the jockeys exceed the allowance by one stroke they will be suspended, and if it is more than that they will lose any prize money.

Some jockeys will now benefit from the retrospective application of the new rules. Christophe Soumillon who rode Cirrus Des Aigles to victory in the Champion Stakes at Ascot on Saturday is in line to have his prize money reinstated as he broke the rules by just one strike.

Soumillon had been stripped of £52,000 and suspended for five days.

Richard Hughes, who last week gave up his riding licence in protest at the new whip regulations after receiving a second ban in the space of four days, will have his punishment rescinded by the BHA.

The BHA has now urged jockeys to refrain from any possible strike action for the good of the "racing family".

A BHA statement read: "This is a sport not without its challenges, but they will always be outweighed by the sport's strengths.

"These challenges will best be met - and are being met - by finding a common purpose amongst the sport's participants, and by putting the sport first."


It's a welcome development but I remain to be convinced that a limit on the number of strikes is the way to go. Having had a limited experience of race-riding, I don't think it can work. The only way it can be policed IMO, is through common sense stewarding - by monitoring the frequency of the strikes and that the stick is used correctly by the rider (that the horse isn't being hit in the wrong place and that the rider does not raise the whip above his shoulder). Telling a jockey going out in something like the Eider Chase, which takes nearly 9 minutes to run, that he can only use his stick one more time than a jockey riding in the downhill Epsom Dash, which takes less than a minute, is just plain crazy.

Jockeys aren't stupid but they're being treated that way by the BHA. I watch a lot of racing and I've rarely seen jockeys abusing a horse. Ask yourself how many races you've watched in recent years where horses are being hit when out of contention? Any jockey at that sort of carry on wouldn't last long at any yard. The BHA are more interested in the perception of the game by people who don't understand the game (or don't want to understand the game in many cases). Irish racing has many huge problems but in fairness to the powers that be, they aren't introducing the same crazy rules over here. I think the ban on remounting a horse across the water is nearly as bad as the whole whip farce. Where do you draw the line? Look at what happened to jump racing in Australia when you start going down this road.

The current whip used by jockeys has been years in its development. It's air cushioned and foam padded. At the end of the day, a thoroughbred racehorse is half a tonne of strong powerful animal and a jockey is no more than 8st ish on the flat and 10st ish for NH. The noise the whip makes probably has more effect on a horse than its actual physical impact.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/oct/18/jockeys-whip-didnt-hurt (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/oct/18/jockeys-whip-didnt-hurt)


Rant over! Decent two day card at Galway this weekend. Will be setting the sky-plus to see how Jenari, Mount Benbulben and Last Instalment get on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on October 21, 2011, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 21, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
Quote from: Muzz on October 21, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
So an amendment to the rule...Make much difference? 

Taken from BBC

QuoteThe British Horseracing Authority (BHA) has agreed to amend controversial new regulations on use of the whip, BBC Sport can reveal.

Riders must keep to tight limits on the number of times they strike a horse, seven in Flat races, eight over jumps. But they will now be able to use that allocation at any point in the race.

Jockeys could still lose prize money if they exceed the allowance.

The ruling comes into force immediately and will be applied retrospectively.

Flat jockey Adrian Nicholls, who was given a five-day ban at Pontefract on Monday for whip offences, has welcomed the changes.

"I'm glad that common sense has prevailed," he said. "I thought they were very harsh rules. I think the new rules are better for racing.

"The amount of times was never an issue with me, it was more the hefty bans and the financial penalties. Hopefully now we can put this behind us and concentrate on the good bits about racing."

The move comes after discussions with a delegation of riders and the Professional Jockeys Association (PJA) on Monday.

Jockeys had broadly accepted the introduction of stricter regulations but many were unhappy with the stipulation that the whip could only be used five times in the final furlong or after the last jump, as well as severe penalties, which include losing prize money.

While the specific limit on the final furlong has been lifted, the BHA has retained an element of the financial penalty that jockeys had wanted to remove.

Under the amended rules, if the jockeys exceed the allowance by one stroke they will be suspended, and if it is more than that they will lose any prize money.

Some jockeys will now benefit from the retrospective application of the new rules. Christophe Soumillon who rode Cirrus Des Aigles to victory in the Champion Stakes at Ascot on Saturday is in line to have his prize money reinstated as he broke the rules by just one strike.

Soumillon had been stripped of £52,000 and suspended for five days.

Richard Hughes, who last week gave up his riding licence in protest at the new whip regulations after receiving a second ban in the space of four days, will have his punishment rescinded by the BHA.

The BHA has now urged jockeys to refrain from any possible strike action for the good of the "racing family".

A BHA statement read: "This is a sport not without its challenges, but they will always be outweighed by the sport's strengths.

"These challenges will best be met - and are being met - by finding a common purpose amongst the sport's participants, and by putting the sport first."


It's a welcome development but I remain to be convinced that a limit on the number of strikes is the way to go. Having had a limited experience of race-riding, I don't think it can work. The only way it can be policed IMO, is through common sense stewarding - by monitoring the frequency of the strikes and that the stick is used correctly by the rider (that the horse isn't being hit in the wrong place and that the rider does not raise the whip above his shoulder). Telling a jockey going out in something like the Eider Chase, which takes nearly 9 minutes to run, that he can only use his stick one more time than a jockey riding in the downhill Epsom Dash, which takes less than a minute, is just plain crazy.

Jockeys aren't stupid but they're being treated that way by the BHA. I watch a lot of racing and I've rarely seen jockeys abusing a horse. Ask yourself how many races you've watched in recent years where horses are being hit when out of contention? Any jockey at that sort of carry on wouldn't last long at any yard. The BHA are more interested in the perception of the game by people who don't understand the game (or don't want to understand the game in many cases). Irish racing has many huge problems but in fairness to the powers that be, they aren't introducing the same crazy rules over here. I think the ban on remounting a horse across the water is nearly as bad as the whole whip farce. Where do you draw the line? Look at what happened to jump racing in Australia when you start going down this road.

The current whip used by jockeys has been years in its development. It's air cushioned and foam padded. At the end of the day, a thoroughbred racehorse is half a tonne of strong powerful animal and a jockey is no more than 8st ish on the flat and 10st ish for NH. The noise the whip makes probably has more effect on a horse than its actual physical impact.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/oct/18/jockeys-whip-didnt-hurt (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/oct/18/jockeys-whip-didnt-hurt)


Rant over! Decent two day card at Galway this weekend. Will be setting the sky-plus to see how Jenari, Mount Benbulben and Last Instalment get on.


rather than all this ballix to do with whips, why dont they address what is really wrong with racing. 20 runner handicap and about 5 of them actually trying.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 21, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 21, 2011, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 21, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
Quote from: Muzz on October 21, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
So an amendment to the rule...Make much difference? 

Taken from BBC

QuoteThe British Horseracing Authority (BHA) has agreed to amend controversial new regulations on use of the whip, BBC Sport can reveal.

Riders must keep to tight limits on the number of times they strike a horse, seven in Flat races, eight over jumps. But they will now be able to use that allocation at any point in the race.

Jockeys could still lose prize money if they exceed the allowance.

The ruling comes into force immediately and will be applied retrospectively.

Flat jockey Adrian Nicholls, who was given a five-day ban at Pontefract on Monday for whip offences, has welcomed the changes.

"I'm glad that common sense has prevailed," he said. "I thought they were very harsh rules. I think the new rules are better for racing.

"The amount of times was never an issue with me, it was more the hefty bans and the financial penalties. Hopefully now we can put this behind us and concentrate on the good bits about racing."

The move comes after discussions with a delegation of riders and the Professional Jockeys Association (PJA) on Monday.

Jockeys had broadly accepted the introduction of stricter regulations but many were unhappy with the stipulation that the whip could only be used five times in the final furlong or after the last jump, as well as severe penalties, which include losing prize money.

While the specific limit on the final furlong has been lifted, the BHA has retained an element of the financial penalty that jockeys had wanted to remove.

Under the amended rules, if the jockeys exceed the allowance by one stroke they will be suspended, and if it is more than that they will lose any prize money.

Some jockeys will now benefit from the retrospective application of the new rules. Christophe Soumillon who rode Cirrus Des Aigles to victory in the Champion Stakes at Ascot on Saturday is in line to have his prize money reinstated as he broke the rules by just one strike.

Soumillon had been stripped of £52,000 and suspended for five days.

Richard Hughes, who last week gave up his riding licence in protest at the new whip regulations after receiving a second ban in the space of four days, will have his punishment rescinded by the BHA.

The BHA has now urged jockeys to refrain from any possible strike action for the good of the "racing family".

A BHA statement read: "This is a sport not without its challenges, but they will always be outweighed by the sport's strengths.

"These challenges will best be met - and are being met - by finding a common purpose amongst the sport's participants, and by putting the sport first."


It's a welcome development but I remain to be convinced that a limit on the number of strikes is the way to go. Having had a limited experience of race-riding, I don't think it can work. The only way it can be policed IMO, is through common sense stewarding - by monitoring the frequency of the strikes and that the stick is used correctly by the rider (that the horse isn't being hit in the wrong place and that the rider does not raise the whip above his shoulder). Telling a jockey going out in something like the Eider Chase, which takes nearly 9 minutes to run, that he can only use his stick one more time than a jockey riding in the downhill Epsom Dash, which takes less than a minute, is just plain crazy.

Jockeys aren't stupid but they're being treated that way by the BHA. I watch a lot of racing and I've rarely seen jockeys abusing a horse. Ask yourself how many races you've watched in recent years where horses are being hit when out of contention? Any jockey at that sort of carry on wouldn't last long at any yard. The BHA are more interested in the perception of the game by people who don't understand the game (or don't want to understand the game in many cases). Irish racing has many huge problems but in fairness to the powers that be, they aren't introducing the same crazy rules over here. I think the ban on remounting a horse across the water is nearly as bad as the whole whip farce. Where do you draw the line? Look at what happened to jump racing in Australia when you start going down this road.

The current whip used by jockeys has been years in its development. It's air cushioned and foam padded. At the end of the day, a thoroughbred racehorse is half a tonne of strong powerful animal and a jockey is no more than 8st ish on the flat and 10st ish for NH. The noise the whip makes probably has more effect on a horse than its actual physical impact.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/oct/18/jockeys-whip-didnt-hurt (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/oct/18/jockeys-whip-didnt-hurt)


Rant over! Decent two day card at Galway this weekend. Will be setting the sky-plus to see how Jenari, Mount Benbulben and Last Instalment get on.


rather than all this ballix to do with whips, why dont they address what is really wrong with racing. 20 runner handicap and about 5 of them actually trying.

I wouldn't disagree with that. But the new whip rules in the UK have made it harder to identify non-triers.

The handicap system discourages honesty and openess. The crux of the matter is that the bookmakers have the game by the bollocks and the mid-to-lower grade stuff is bent as a result. The only way to go is a tote only system like they work so well in France. Instead Irish racing blindly followed the British model and is probably beyond repair at this stage. The French have great racing because it's so well structured but there's no appetite for it among their public. We've the opposite situation in Ireland. We've an affinity with the running horse that no other country has but our game is fcuked because it's an organisational mess.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 21, 2011, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 14, 2011, 05:38:44 PM
MID MON LADY in the last @ Dundalk looks a very solid e/w bet at 11/2


6.45 - Connections must be interested in pursuing last week's losings  :-\ shorter trip this evening, which could be troublesome but should have won last week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 21, 2011, 05:34:06 PM
Flat Jockeys have been balloted by PJA today. Have voted to strike at Newbury. Looks like its all going to kick off now.

Darley and the PJA have been useless. They asked for exactly what they wanted from the review of the review instead of asking for more than they needed.

Sean Boyce has had some excellent comment on the whole thing including the " something had to be done myth" .

http://boyciesblog.wordpress.com/

I doubt if Andrew Coonan ( and Johnny/Ruby/Barry/Davy )  would have allowed it to escalate to this extent in Ireland.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 21, 2011, 09:07:44 PM
like the look of the 1st 2 favs @ galwat tomorrow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 21, 2011, 09:14:05 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 21, 2011, 05:34:06 PM
Flat Jockeys have been balloted by PJA today. Have voted to strike at Newbury. Looks like its all going to kick off now.

Darley and the PJA have been useless. They asked for exactly what they wanted from the review of the review instead of asking for more than they needed.

Sean Boyce has had some excellent comment on the whole thing including the " something had to be done myth" .

http://boyciesblog.wordpress.com/

I doubt if Andrew Coonan ( and Johnny/Ruby/Barry/Davy )  would have allowed it to escalate to this extent in Ireland.

Agreed. Bar Dickie Hughes, the jockeys have let themselves down on this one. It's interesting that it seems to be Frankie and McCoy that are doing most of the talking in the press - they have their money made and are on huge retainers regardless of prizemoney.

The journeymen who just scrape by should be represented better. Jamie Spencer spoke very well today and seemed really pissed off with the lack of unified action from his colleagues. He was dead right in saying that it's probably the reason they race for absolute pittance up and down the UK. Paddy Brennan came out with something similar last night. I'd be amazed if there isn't serious upheaval once the NH gets started up properly and the ground starts to go.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 21, 2011, 10:56:56 PM
Fingal Bay and Albertas Run for me tomorrow.

Nicholls:
'I suppose it is in the back of my mind that Kauto Star appeared to run one of his lesser races first time out in 2007 (although failing by only 1 ½ lengths to give Monet's Garden 14lb, with Exotic Dancer 20 lengths away in third, doesn't look that poor in hindsight) and Master Minded has bigger targets down the line. But it looks a good starting point - Kauto also won this race in 2006 before winning the Betfair Million - and I have made no secret that I have backed Master Minded at 7-1 for Kempton. He is officially rated just 4lb behind Long Run, after all, and I hope today goes smoothly and without mishap.

That said, defeat to a horse of Albertas Run class at these weights wouldn't be a disaster, as Kauto showed in 2007.'
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 21, 2011, 10:59:24 PM
Quotesteeplechasing joe mcnally
4% of trainers account for 46% of whip offences from 29% of performances (source BHA) are jockeys the wrong target?

Yep imo.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on October 22, 2011, 02:21:01 PM
Well done Johnny Murtagh, another shocker of a ride on Saigon in the 2.15 at Newbury. What a gangster.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 22, 2011, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 22, 2011, 02:21:01 PM
Well done Johnny Murtagh, another shocker of a ride on Saigon in the 2.15 at Newbury. What a gangster.

Have him backed then Benny? Poor indeed, dunno what he was messing at with all the switching

Might have been a fraction on the soft side for Jenari and with one of Dermot Weld's horses in the field an odds on shot at Galway is not safe  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 22, 2011, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 22, 2011, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 22, 2011, 02:21:01 PM
Well done Johnny Murtagh, another shocker of a ride on Saigon in the 2.15 at Newbury. What a gangster.

Have him backed then Benny? Poor indeed, dunno what he was messing at with all the switching

Might have been a fraction on the soft side for Jenari and with one of Dermot Weld's horses in the field an odds on shot at Galway is not safe  >:(

Jenari jumped very poorly and I don't think Robbie Power covered himself in glory. The winner was one of Jim Culloty's though Sammy, not DK's. Mount Benbulben was lucky to come away unscathed. Don't know why Carberry was so keen to rein him back all race considering he was much the best animal in the field.

Albertas Run toughed it out well from the front at Liverpool. He's still got plenty of appetite left for the game. The same cannot be said of Master Minded. The Fat Controller may as well tear up his 7/1 docket now because he hasn't a prayer of winning a King George.

Camelot was very impressive but I wouldn't be getting carried away just yet. It's too easy to fall for these RP Trophy winners and I've fallen into that trap in the past - remember St Nicholas Abbey. He's a very nice prospect though. Ballydoyle do look to have their best team of 2yos in years. Daddy Long Legs, Apollo, Nephrite, Imperial Monarch, Tibet and of course Power to add to this lad. There's bound to be one or two out of that lot who will have a good 3yo season. Their fillies look top notch - Maybe, Wading (form of the Rockfel was given a big boost today at Newbury) and Kissed who could be anything herself.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 22, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
Just seen the purple and yellow colours and thought, Weld at it again at Galway... Master Minded well outclassed, by Pure Faith, never mind Alberta's Run. The all conquering Nicholls could be in for a tough season ahead, by his standards anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 22, 2011, 04:55:44 PM
Ive said this before on this thread but fair dues to Richard Hughes and his Saturday column in the post. Today he put up Beaten up and it bolted up at 5/1 even tho Jonny Murtagh was on board. I would like to see the profit from level stakes on his selections this season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on October 22, 2011, 05:18:05 PM
nicholls more or less said he wouldn't win today so i wouldn't be too disappointed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 22, 2011, 05:34:16 PM
Ruby gets five days at Aintree.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 22, 2011, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 22, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
Just seen the purple and yellow colours and thought, Weld at it again at Galway... Master Minded well outclassed, by Pure Faith, never mind Alberta's Run. The all conquering Nicholls could be in for a tough season ahead, by his standards anyway

The smart money is on Henderson for the trainers championship this season methinks. The Fat Controller doesn't look to have a great string of horses with Big Bucks being the obvious exception.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on October 22, 2011, 07:18:32 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 22, 2011, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 22, 2011, 02:21:01 PM
Well done Johnny Murtagh, another shocker of a ride on Saigon in the 2.15 at Newbury. What a gangster.

Have him backed then Benny? Poor indeed, dunno what he was messing at with all the switching

Might have been a fraction on the soft side for Jenari and with one of Dermot Weld's horses in the field an odds on shot at Galway is not safe  >:(

Only in a piddly yankee, but just notice him too many times giving horses too much to do. Why didnt he pull that thing wide when he was at the back and take the clear path instead of running up the ass of a wall of horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 22, 2011, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 22, 2011, 05:34:16 PM
Ruby gets five days at Aintree.

Reacting to the ban, an angry Walsh said: "The punishment didn't fit the crime. I miss a Grade 1 chase at Down Royal and a good race at Cork. If that deserves a five-day ban the game is f***ed."

Walsh was particularly angered that a strike down the neck of Edgardo Sol before the final fence was counted in his quota of eight. He added: "I thought I rode a good race and I gave the horse one down the shoulder going into the last which counted and so they gave me the ban."

The ban led Walsh to question the merits of riding in Britain and vowed to "discuss" his future with champion trainer Paul Nicholls in the near future.

He added: "I don't want to be coming over here and getting banned in small races and missing big rides for Willie Mullins back home. I will have to discuss it with Paul Nicholls."

An animated Walsh asked spectators: "Did any of you see anything wrong with my ride in the previous race? I want to know because it seems to be public perception that counts."


http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/r-walsh-walsh-whip-ban-fuels-riders-anger-at-aintree/936125/ (http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/r-walsh-walsh-whip-ban-fuels-riders-anger-at-aintree/936125/)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 22, 2011, 07:52:22 PM
Got word for Haadeeth in the last at W'Hampton? Owner says it'll do the business, currently 11/4.... (Usual rules apply)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 22, 2011, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: Candyman on October 22, 2011, 07:52:22 PM
Got word for Haadeeth in the last at W'Hampton? Owner says it'll do the business, currently 11/4.... (Usual rules apply)
:-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 23, 2011, 12:06:42 PM
Put up two winning tips for Saturday and nobody even notices!

Fingal Bay really impressed me yesterday. Really looking forward to Aintree today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on October 23, 2011, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 23, 2011, 12:06:42 PM
Put up two winning tips for Saturday and nobody even notices!

Fingal Bay really impressed me yesterday. Really looking forward to Aintree today.

I done one of them Don and took notice ;)

DH any fancies today at Aintree or Galway?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2011, 12:40:59 PM
Nope.

I think Last Instalment has a future but Davy Russell has gone for the other horse today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2011, 05:00:03 PM
Should have kept the faith. Really nice prospect for Fenton to look forward to with Dunguib on the sidelines.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 25, 2011, 12:59:58 AM
Full-brother to Frankel out at Yarmouth tomorrow. Could be worth a watching brief.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 25, 2011, 10:03:29 AM
Is that Noble Mission DH?

I see the Shark has 4 runners at Chepstow...u fancy any of them?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 25, 2011, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 25, 2011, 10:03:29 AM
Is that Noble Mission DH?

Yep. Fine pedigree but the other three parts brother (Bullet Train) isn't up to much.


Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 25, 2011, 10:03:29 AM
I see the Shark has 4 runners at Chepstow...u fancy any of them?

None of them would take my eye to be honest but I wouldn't have studied it in any great detail.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 26, 2011, 12:22:05 PM
2 for today

4.25 Profile Star
5.25 Mighty Whitey

Any fancies or tips for Punchestown lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 26, 2011, 12:43:51 PM
Hoping to recoup some losses on Stonemaster. Ground will be dreadful so no point in backing any doubtful stayers or top of the ground horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 26, 2011, 02:07:46 PM
BOGSIDE THEATRE 8/1 Muss 3.50 - anyone else get word for it today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 26, 2011, 02:10:50 PM
Got an e/w word for it Sammy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on October 26, 2011, 03:25:53 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 26, 2011, 12:43:51 PM
Hoping to recoup some losses on Stonemaster. Ground will be dreadful so no point in backing any doubtful stayers or top of the ground horses.

Russell gave that thing a mountain to climb
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 27, 2011, 01:41:37 PM
Marypat 2,15 cartmel
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 27, 2011, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 27, 2011, 01:41:37 PM
Marypat 2,15 cartmel

Clonmel  ;) I dont care as long as it wins
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 27, 2011, 02:10:12 PM
I'm on it! Hasn't run in nearly 5 years! :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 27, 2011, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 27, 2011, 02:10:12 PM
I'm on it! Hasn't run in nearly 5 years! :o

6/1 is a short price is it not for a horse that hasnt ran in 5 years....  ??? has it been punted this morning??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 27, 2011, 02:15:19 PM
It was backed from 16s this morning i think! :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 27, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
I'm assuming there aren't any links radio or video of clonmel?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 27, 2011, 02:25:45 PM
Not in Top 3!  >:( Did it get close even?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 27, 2011, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 27, 2011, 02:25:45 PM
Not in Top 3!  >:( Did it get close even?

It finished 16th of 17.There was one faller so it finished last approx 110 lenghts behind the winner.

On the way out in the 4.15 is my NAP of the day.Usual health warnings with my tips.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 27, 2011, 03:10:15 PM
Quote from: rossie mad on October 27, 2011, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 27, 2011, 02:25:45 PM
Not in Top 3!  >:( Did it get close even?

It finished 16th of 17.There was one faller so it finished last approx 110 lenghts behind the winner.

On the way out in the 4.15 is my NAP of the day.Usual health warnings with my tips.

::)  >:( ffs where did that tip come from? I think the fact he put in Cartmel instead of Clonmel should have said it all on a nag that has run for 15 years or something!!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on October 27, 2011, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: rossie mad on October 27, 2011, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on October 27, 2011, 02:25:45 PM
Not in Top 3!  >:( Did it get close even?

It finished 16th of 17.There was one faller so it finished last approx 110 lenghts behind the winner.

On the way out in the 4.15 is my NAP of the day.Usual health warnings with my tips.



Oops hope no one actually backed it because of me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2011, 04:37:30 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=56951 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=56951)

Crazy. If this ride is offensive then the game in England is well and truly fcuked:

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,465109,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,465109,00.html)

Are they trying to drive great supporters of the game like Paul McMahon away?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on October 27, 2011, 04:56:34 PM
On a similar note, there's a guy I follow on twitter had as his NAP of the day:

Stratford 3.20

RUNSHAN @ 5/1

Scattered into the bookies and they were only just off and wouldnt take the bet, won by something like 41lengths!!!!  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 27, 2011, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2011, 04:37:30 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=56951 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=56951)

Crazy. If this ride is offensive then the game in England is well and truly fcuked:

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,465109,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,465109,00.html)

Are they trying to drive great supporters of the game like Paul McMahon away?

did the runner up get banned too DH? He was whipping alot more than McMahon on the run in
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2011, 05:12:45 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 27, 2011, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2011, 04:37:30 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=56951 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=56951)

Crazy. If this ride is offensive then the game in England is well and truly fcuked:

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,465109,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,465109,00.html)

Are they trying to drive great supporters of the game like Paul McMahon away?

did the runner up get banned too DH? He was whipping alot more than McMahon on the run in

I don't think so. Looks like Dickie Johnson and I don't think he's been banned since the new rules.

The McMahon ban actually angers me. He gave the horse (who he owns himself) a great sympathetic ride. As far as I can see from the video he struck the horse a total of six times behind the saddle. The only other times he uses the whip is to stop his horse from hanging and causing a safety risk for other horses and riders on his outside.

Do these people understand racing at all? I'm finding it difficult to bet on the UK stuff now such is the ridiculousness of the whole whip saga.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2011, 04:02:08 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=56967 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=56967)

Gone beyond a joke at this stage.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2011, 07:46:37 PM
Lot of money around for Smart George on the bucket & sand at Wolverhampton (8:10) for Paul Flynn.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 28, 2011, 10:06:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2011, 07:46:37 PM
Lot of money around for Smart George on the bucket & sand at Wolverhampton (8:10) for Paul Flynn.

pity ya didnt shake the bucket in the 8-50 at dundalk  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on October 29, 2011, 01:39:42 PM
Anyone going for chicago grey in the charlie Hall, he was going nicely when tipping up at cheltenham i thought
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on October 29, 2011, 01:42:36 PM
im all over poquelin today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2011, 01:47:51 PM
Was going to have a small e/w bet on Weird Al before Diamond Harry came out but there's only the 7 runners now so I might not bother now.

Good stuff at Naas particularly the conditions hurdle where old favourite Our Girl Salley makes her reappearance.

Race of the day has to be the Kildare Senior Footballers Sweepstakes. Eddie McCormack teaming up with his old clubmate Willie McCreery taking on Sos Dowling! Hard to look past Dermot Weld's horse though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on October 29, 2011, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: The Worker on October 29, 2011, 01:42:36 PM
im all over poquelin today

You could well be right but he has never gone beyond 2m 5f and this is 3m 1f
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on October 29, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
If you can overlook his last run at Dundalk which surely was to blow away the cobwebs I think you would have to fancy Carlito Brigante in 2.45 Wetherby. Still 4/1 with 8 runners. Looks to be a horse that can improve.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on October 29, 2011, 02:10:35 PM
Pals of mine have a yoke running in the 4.00 at Naas today - Medical card (worth an ew I was told)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on October 29, 2011, 03:32:09 PM
How did Davy Russell just get beat on that far away so close. Should be shot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 29, 2011, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: Declan on October 29, 2011, 02:10:35 PM
Pals of mine have a yoke running in the 4.00 at Naas today - Medical card (worth an ew I was told)

Beat.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 29, 2011, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 29, 2011, 03:32:09 PM
How did Davy Russell just get beat on that far away so close. Should be shot.

There was strong word around for Monastrell in that race and if you had backed Mystic Desir in the opener at Naas you would be double sick, it was worse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2011, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 29, 2011, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 29, 2011, 03:32:09 PM
How did Davy Russell just get beat on that far away so close. Should be shot.

There was strong word around for Monastrell in that race and if you had backed Mystic Desir in the opener at Naas you would be double sick, it was worse

Poor ride out of Robbie Power alright. Crazy getting involved so early on such bad ground and at such a stiff track like Naas.

Far Away So Close is a bit of a hound and Nolan's horses are running below form so far this season. Meade's on the other hand appear to be flying.

Very impressed with the bumper winner Don Cossack. Looks a very promising animal for Elliott/O'Leary.

Disappointed with Our Girl Salley. Never looked like landing a blow but the trip was probably stretching her on that ground. Great ride out of Timmy Murphy (who said he was finished) on Weird Al in the Charlie Hall. I doubt we saw any Gold Cup winner though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2011, 05:37:43 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2011, 01:47:51 PM
Race of the day has to be the Kildare Senior Footballers Sweepstakes. Eddie McCormack teaming up with his old clubmate Willie McCreery taking on Sos Dowling! Hard to look past Dermot Weld's horse though.

Claire Anne O'Brien takes bolts in for Boots Madden.

Disappointing show from Sos, Eddie and Ronan Walsh!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 30, 2011, 08:25:40 AM
Probably the worst betting weekend of my entire life. Born to sea and famous name double is last roll of dice
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on October 30, 2011, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 30, 2011, 08:25:40 AM
Probably the worst betting weekend of my entire life. Born to sea and famous name double is last roll of dice

Welcome to my world mickey
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
Famous Name is a NR. DK should win it anyway with Zaminast as long as the rain stays away. Has a good chance in the first as well with a half-sister to Mad About You.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 30, 2011, 01:23:18 PM
leroy parker and donnas palm e/w double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on October 30, 2011, 04:26:05 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on October 30, 2011, 01:23:18 PM
leroy parker and donnas palm e/w double

3rd and 1st and money made :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on October 31, 2011, 10:30:27 AM
Look out for two horses in tonight's Melbourne Cup: The Verminator and Tullamore priced up at 100/1 and 25/1 respectively.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on October 31, 2011, 10:45:08 AM
Are you advising a punt on these 2 Sea the stars?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on October 31, 2011, 11:05:12 AM
I will be punting them Oak Leafer.

Tullamore has run some creditable races this season most notably staying on behind Southern Speed in the Caulfield Cup and then finished runner-up to tonight's favourite Amercain on Cox Plate day, but meets that rival on 5kg (10lbs) better terms this round. Add in the fact that he's trained by the queen of Australian racing, Gai Waterhouse, and he's a nice bet at 25/1.

The Verminator is a bit more of a punt from the left field but he won the Wyong Cup (listed race) and the Metroplolitian (Group 1 and a good trial for the Melbourne Cup) already this season. Unfortunetly he will have to overcome a bad run on Saturday in the Mackinnon Stakes where he finished second last.

I should add that the track is reported to be Dead4 (equivalent of yielding in Ireland) and both these runners have run well on dead tracks previously.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 31, 2011, 11:49:47 AM
Cheers for those STS, I have wasted some money on that bloody Melbourne Cup over the last few years so might have to go with you on these two as my own picks are normally pants

Silver Wren getting punted on the opener at Plumpton 8/1 into 9/2 at present.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2011, 12:01:35 PM
Anyone else following the fledgling training career of John Ferguson recently?

He has worked as an assistant trainer to Michael Stoute and John Gosden and was also bloodstock advisor to Sheikh Mohammed. He has started out as a NH trainer in the past few months and he has some really nice recruits from the level in his yard. He has had 7 winners from 16 runners (44% strike rate) so far this season including the winner of the bumper on Saturday at Ascot who absolutely hosed up in a decent contest.

He has Dubawi Phantom (ex-Godolphin ran in 2010 Derby at the Curragh) in the novice hurdle at Kempton today. He's running under a penalty for his recent maiden hurdle win at Uttoxeter but seems to be priced accordingly at 4/1. I'm having a few bob e/w.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on October 31, 2011, 01:08:52 PM
See that Dubawi just taken out there!!  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2011, 01:49:24 PM
Very unfortunate but that's NH racing for you.

Keep an eye out for Ferguson's runners in the next few weeks. I don't think a lot of punters have copped on to him yet so he could well be worth following before the big yards start bringing out their better novices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on October 31, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
Will do!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 31, 2011, 02:49:06 PM
9 out of 12 favs have won so far today :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 31, 2011, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 31, 2011, 02:49:06 PM
9 out of 12 favs have won so far today :o

guess who backed Iheardu...  ::)  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
Big day for Philip Hobbs tomorrow.

Particularly looking forward to Menorah over fences.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 31, 2011, 08:05:55 PM
Might have a go at Ghizao tomorrow. Beat Captain Chris twice last season and is getting 5lbs from him tomorrow.

Will read what connections say in the RP tomorrow before making my mind up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on October 31, 2011, 09:49:11 PM
Had 3 winners inlucky 15, fourth one second....would have won £8600....had  to settle for £900 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: adevvabr on October 31, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
Interesting that Colm Murphy sends Zaarito to Exeter tomorrow, when he could have run him in the 2 1/2 mile chase on saturday at down royal. I think the fact that zaarito will be getting weight from all the market leaders might be the reason for this. Murphy has a great record when he sends his horses to England and hes a very talented horse that seems to just lose his concentration at crucial times in races. Obviously for that reason ill be keeping my stakes to a small e/w bet at 7/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: adevvabr on October 31, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
Interesting that Colm Murphy sends Zaarito to Exeter tomorrow, when he could have run him in the 2 1/2 mile chase on saturday at down royal. I think the fact that zaarito will be getting weight from all the market leaders might be the reason for this. Murphy has a great record when he sends his horses to England and hes a very talented horse that seems to just lose his concentration at crucial times in races. Obviously for that reason ill be keeping my stakes to a small e/w bet at 7/1.

He couldn't. The race on Saturday is restricted to horses who did not win a chase before 25 April 2010 (second season novices in other words). Zaarito needs decent ground and the fences in England don't tend to be as stiff as they are at the likes of Naas, Leopardstown and Punchestown. If he puts in a clear round then he's a player off a mark of 148. It's a big if though considering he has failed to complete on 5 of his last 11 starts.

It's a very good race for this time of year. Captain Chris will probably have achieved most out of these by the end of the season but whether he'll win tomorrow is another matter. Both Ghizao and Medermit have beaten him before and the only horse you could rule out with any certainty is the bottom weight who is about 60lbs inferior to the rest of them. Oiseau De Nuit and particularly Cornas are seasoned handicappers who are capable of picking up the pieces should the market principles not perform. Zaarito definitely has his chance but it all depends on his fencing. Given his size, he's not able to clout one like Captain Chris can and get away with it.

Interesting race, but one to watch for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: adevvabr on October 31, 2011, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: adevvabr on October 31, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
Interesting that Colm Murphy sends Zaarito to Exeter tomorrow, when he could have run him in the 2 1/2 mile chase on saturday at down royal. I think the fact that zaarito will be getting weight from all the market leaders might be the reason for this. Murphy has a great record when he sends his horses to England and hes a very talented horse that seems to just lose his concentration at crucial times in races. Obviously for that reason ill be keeping my stakes to a small e/w bet at 7/1.

He couldn't. The race on Saturday is restricted to horses who did not win a chase before 25 April 2010 (second season novices in other words). Zaarito needs decent ground and the fences in England don't tend to be as stiff as they are at the likes of Naas, Leopardstown and Punchestown. If he puts in a clear round then he's a player off a mark of 148. It's a big if though considering he has failed to complete on 5 of his last 11 starts.

It's a very good race for this time of year. Captain Chris will probably have achieved most out of these by the end of the season but whether he'll win tomorrow is another matter. Both Ghizao and Medermit have beaten him before and the only horse you could rule out with any certainty is the bottom weight who is about 60lbs inferior to the rest of them. Oiseau De Nuit and particularly Cornas are seasoned handicappers who are capable of picking up the pieces should the market principles not perform. Zaarito definitely has his chance but it all depends on his fencing. Given his size, he's not able to clout one like Captain Chris can and get away with it.

Interesting race, but one to watch for me.

DH, i hadnt realised that was a second season novice on saturday. Ill prob just watch now as that was one of the angles I was looking at in deciding to back him. Definitely a big if to have a clear round as hes carried my money on a few occasions when coming down with the race at his mercy! Agree that captain chris is best horse in the race and was really impressed how he improved in 2nd half of last season but Ill be waiting until later in the year to back him.

Ruby was very keen on sam winner going chasing last year so id expect him and menorah to have a good battle aswell!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2011, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: adevvabr on October 31, 2011, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: adevvabr on October 31, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
Interesting that Colm Murphy sends Zaarito to Exeter tomorrow, when he could have run him in the 2 1/2 mile chase on saturday at down royal. I think the fact that zaarito will be getting weight from all the market leaders might be the reason for this. Murphy has a great record when he sends his horses to England and hes a very talented horse that seems to just lose his concentration at crucial times in races. Obviously for that reason ill be keeping my stakes to a small e/w bet at 7/1.

He couldn't. The race on Saturday is restricted to horses who did not win a chase before 25 April 2010 (second season novices in other words). Zaarito needs decent ground and the fences in England don't tend to be as stiff as they are at the likes of Naas, Leopardstown and Punchestown. If he puts in a clear round then he's a player off a mark of 148. It's a big if though considering he has failed to complete on 5 of his last 11 starts.

It's a very good race for this time of year. Captain Chris will probably have achieved most out of these by the end of the season but whether he'll win tomorrow is another matter. Both Ghizao and Medermit have beaten him before and the only horse you could rule out with any certainty is the bottom weight who is about 60lbs inferior to the rest of them. Oiseau De Nuit and particularly Cornas are seasoned handicappers who are capable of picking up the pieces should the market principles not perform. Zaarito definitely has his chance but it all depends on his fencing. Given his size, he's not able to clout one like Captain Chris can and get away with it.

Interesting race, but one to watch for me.

DH, i hadnt realised that was a second season novice on saturday. Ill prob just watch now as that was one of the angles I was looking at in deciding to back him. Definitely a big if to have a clear round as hes carried my money on a few occasions when coming down with the race at his mercy! Agree that captain chris is best horse in the race and was really impressed how he improved in 2nd half of last season but Ill be waiting until later in the year to back him.

Ruby was very keen on sam winner going chasing last year so id expect him and menorah to have a good battle aswell!

They were planning a chase campaign in England with Zaarito last year - better ground/easier fences theory, but it didn't work out as planned. The Peterborough Chase was pencilled in on his agenda but with all the snow in December last year, the Hilly Way was pushed back and they couldn't get a prep into him. I think they were then going to have a crack at the County Hurdle but he went wrong in the New Year before the Pierse and had to be roughed off for the season.

I'd be surprised if Sam Winner has the gears to worry Menorah. Walsh and the Fat Controller are always talking him up but bar one run last season, I've yet to see it. It took him an age to get going in the Triumph after being nearly tailed off at halfway. Menorah, provided he can jump, could be a top class two mile chaser.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 01, 2011, 09:07:08 AM
Stayed up and watched Monday Night Football and the racing, what a finish to the race, couldn't have been closer. In relation to Tullamore, he had a bad draw and then played bumping cars for half a mile, looked like he was going to challange but didn't materialise. Had my email called out by Chapman yeroooo.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 01, 2011, 09:07:08 AM
Stayed up and watched Monday Night Football and the racing, what a finish to the race, couldn't have been closer. In relation to Tullamore, he had a bad draw and then played bumping cars for half a mile, looked like he was going to challange but didn't materialise. Had my email called out by Chapman yeroooo.

Its over at 10pm!!  :o is that well past your bedtime!!  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 01, 2011, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 01, 2011, 09:07:08 AM
Stayed up and watched Monday Night Football and the racing, what a finish to the race, couldn't have been closer. In relation to Tullamore, he had a bad draw and then played bumping cars for half a mile, looked like he was going to challange but didn't materialise. Had my email called out by Chapman yeroooo.

Its over at 10pm!!  :o is that well past your bedtime!!  :P

Lol, tried to watch that too but the wee feckers tricker treating made me miss the 1st 2 goals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 01, 2011, 12:37:04 PM
Massive gamble in the 5.00 Kempton on Shalambar! 20s into 5/2!  :o

Looking at its form it ran in a class 5 over 1m 3f and looked to have been eased well down.

Runs in a class 6 over 1m 4f and on its past form (all be it a wile back) its very well handicapped...

I'm on at 7/2! :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on November 01, 2011, 01:02:04 PM
Shalambar (IRE)
Date Course Dist Class Jockey Trainer
17:00 Tue 1st Nov  Kempton Park 1m 4f 6 Jim Crowley  A W Carroll 
19:00 Thu 3rd Nov  Wolverhampton 1m 5f 194y 5  A W Carroll 
16:00 Fri 4th Nov  Ffos Las 1m 4f 6  A W Carroll 

Are they going to go for a quick reappearance before the handicapper can get hold of him again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 01, 2011, 03:03:04 PM
Dramatic race. I think Captain Chris was coming there to win it but real breakdown in communication with Dickie Johnson.

Ghizao jumped poorly and Zaarito looks like he has a hole in him (ran similarly at Punchestown two years ago). Medermit might have got his act together but Cornas holds the form down somewhat.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 01, 2011, 03:26:40 PM
Wow!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 01, 2011, 03:26:40 PM
Wow!  :D

holy shit! favourites were bombing in yesterday.... now they cant even stay on their legs!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 01, 2011, 05:04:48 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 01, 2011, 12:37:04 PM
Massive gamble in the 5.00 Kempton on Shalambar! 20s into 5/2!  :o

Looking at its form it ran in a class 5 over 1m 3f and looked to have been eased well down.

Runs in a class 6 over 1m 4f and on its past form (all be it a wile back) its very well handicapped...

I'm on at 7/2! :P

Gamble landed... all too easy!! Only got 9/4 but if you've enough on a winners a winner  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 01, 2011, 05:04:48 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 01, 2011, 12:37:04 PM
Massive gamble in the 5.00 Kempton on Shalambar! 20s into 5/2!  :o

Looking at its form it ran in a class 5 over 1m 3f and looked to have been eased well down.

Runs in a class 6 over 1m 4f and on its past form (all be it a wile back) its very well handicapped...

I'm on at 7/2! :P

Gamble landed... all too easy!! Only got 9/4 but if you've enough on a winners a winner  ;D

not punt with best priced guaranteed bookie Candy?  :-\

funny but when you miss the 10, 9, 8, 7's which it would have been at earlier, the 3/1 seems a shit price so turns me off it, even though I would take an even money winner all day long... mucked up way of thinking I know...  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 01, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
Hopefully some of you got on regardless of price! ;)

Jez if some of you could offer me a 9/4 banker every day i'd take it! :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 01, 2011, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 01, 2011, 05:04:48 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 01, 2011, 12:37:04 PM
Massive gamble in the 5.00 Kempton on Shalambar! 20s into 5/2!  :o

Looking at its form it ran in a class 5 over 1m 3f and looked to have been eased well down.

Runs in a class 6 over 1m 4f and on its past form (all be it a wile back) its very well handicapped...

I'm on at 7/2! :P

Gamble landed... all too easy!! Only got 9/4 but if you've enough on a winners a winner  ;D

not punt with best priced guaranteed bookie Candy?  :-\

funny but when you miss the 10, 9, 8, 7's which it would have been at earlier, the 3/1 seems a shit price so turns me off it, even though I would take an even money winner all day long... mucked up way of thinking I know...  ???
[/qHavent even checked my account, but I punt with the King of Kings (PP) so im guaranteed best price!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on November 01, 2011, 08:10:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2011, 12:01:35 PM
Anyone else following the fledgling training career of John Ferguson recently?

He has worked as an assistant trainer to Michael Stoute and John Gosden and was also bloodstock advisor to Sheikh Mohammed. He has started out as a NH trainer in the past few months and he has some really nice recruits from the level in his yard. He has had 7 winners from 16 runners (44% strike rate) so far this season including the winner of the bumper on Saturday at Ascot who absolutely hosed up in a decent contest.

He has Dubawi Phantom (ex-Godolphin ran in 2010 Derby at the Curragh) in the novice hurdle at Kempton today. He's running under a penalty for his recent maiden hurdle win at Uttoxeter but seems to be priced accordingly at 4/1. I'm having a few bob e/w.



This J Scott aint going too bad either, something like 8 out of last 10 runners have won. Tom O Brien booted one of them home in the last at exeter today.



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on November 02, 2011, 12:25:33 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 01, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
Hopefully some of you got on regardless of price! ;)

Jez if some of you could offer me a 9/4 banker every day i'd take it! :D

fair play got on at 4 and moreOM PUB.HAD A GUD NITE D.had in it in a double with the maiden winner after so happy days.just bCK FROM PUB SO HAPPY DAYS .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 02, 2011, 12:15:07 PM
Crazy Bold 40s into 6s in the 1.05 at Warwick.

Tony Carroll going for two in a row?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 02, 2011, 12:47:54 PM
Just been watching its last run over 2m 3f DJ, was in contention until final 4/5f then was more or less pulled up.

This is a drop in class and 3f shorter in trip...i'd say he won't be a mile away here! ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 02, 2011, 01:09:41 PM
Third at 9/2. I would be happy with a 40/1 place!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on November 02, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
Horses who run in the Grand National will have to be a minimum of seven years old and will have to have proved their ability by finishing fourth or better in a three-mile steeplechase under changes made to improve safety in the famous race.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/nov/02/minimum-age-grand-national-runners
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 03, 2011, 09:50:49 AM
DH,

I see Mount Benbulben is out at Thurles today...thoughts?

Anything else jump out at you?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 03, 2011, 09:50:49 AM
DH,

I see Mount Benbulben is out at Thurles today...thoughts?

Anything else jump out at you?

Should be easy enough for him provided Carberry keeps it simple. I'm sure he'll be priced accordingly though.

The betting in the chase will be interesting and Cooldine looks potentially well treated but he's a horse I've followed off a cliff recently in the hope that he can come back to his 08-09 form and Mullins's horses always seem to need their reappearance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 03, 2011, 10:09:08 AM
the Chase looks like one to avoid, a case could be made for all 5 of the runners, even the outsider has Russell on board... I would have a little inkling for Psycho but dunno if i would be too willing to part with a vast sum of my hard earned expecting him to land the spoils either...

I'll be keeping an eye out on the opening show for Grey Soldier in the 2.35, that should improve from its last outing at Galway a couple of weeks ago, it should certainly run it close.

Might also try a small e/w double on Duroob and Realta Rathcabhain
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 10:57:36 AM
Cooldine has had his wind done which may make a difference to him and his record around Thurles is excellent but the old dictum of "Meade before December, Mullins after December" is holding me back. He has some of his better horses out today so it'll be interesting to see how they get on. Twinlight is held in high regard and gets all the allowances and the horse in the bumper is a half-brother to Morning Supreme.

Looking forward to the Breeders Cup at the weekend now. All over Goldikova for the mile.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 03, 2011, 11:58:33 AM
Another gamble today...1.40 Southwell Percythepinto 20s into 11/4! :o

Been keeping a close eye on gambles lately and have been able to identify reasoning behind them, but this one baffles me!

Are the bookies throwing a dummy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Psycho is a NR now.

Hoping for a good price on Oscars Well tomorrow Sammy? Irish-racing.com have The Real Article as their tissue fav.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 03, 2011, 01:20:53 PM
Although only a small field this 155 at Thurles looks a decent race. I was always a massive fan of Joncol's after getting a tip for him first time out. Think ill have a small punt on him to do the business today. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 03, 2011, 01:27:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Psycho is a NR now.

Hoping for a good price on Oscars Well tomorrow Sammy? Irish-racing.com have The Real Article as their tissue fav.

Probably £20 saved there then  :P

Was thinking it would open at 5/4 or evens to be honest. I dont know why The Real Article is down as favourite, seen the Gary Carson comments... dont stack up to much.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 03, 2011, 02:44:36 PM
Have been told to watch out for WITHER HILLS at the weekend at Down Royal. Think its connections are from around Moira.

Won when there was a tip out for it the last day (7/1 in a 2mile handicap hurdle at Punchestown, I had it backed at 12s) and is down for the 1.50 on Saturday, another 2mile handicap hurdle. Do with this what you wish! I will probably have a small each way bet on it depending on the price of course.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 03, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Psycho is a NR now.

Hoping for a good price on Oscars Well tomorrow Sammy? Irish-racing.com have The Real Article as their tissue fav.

I see Oscars Well is 2/1 with bet365. Looks like a decent bet in a small field.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 03, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Psycho is a NR now.

Hoping for a good price on Oscars Well tomorrow Sammy? Irish-racing.com have The Real Article as their tissue fav.

I see Oscars Well is 2/1 with bet365. Looks like a decent bet in a small field.

I have a feeling that The Real Article is a bit of a talking horse. Has shown plenty of ability in some of his outings but was found out the only time he was in a real race (Galway Hurdle). I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential. Tomorrow's race may suit him - small field, no pace etc but he is too short. Oscars Well would really want to be winning this if he wants to get within a furlong of Hurricane Fly. I'm put off backing him for some reason though. He didn't win a bumper (no harm, Moscow Flyer didn't either) but it took him 5 runs to finally win a race. I'm not sure if he's just a stuffy horse that needs a few runs to get race fit or whether he's just a slow learner. Cheltenham would suggest the latter when he was still very raw and green. Robbie Power's form recently also puts me off.

Really fancy Dazzling Suzie in the mares novice and the French yoke for Meade/Gigginstown in the maiden hurdle. Neither will be much of a price unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 03, 2011, 10:28:20 PM
The only thing that would put me off Oscars is the lay off, The Real Article has won recently and Geraghty is in top form, whether OW has the engine and Power can give him a good ride on a course new to him... Time will only tell. Chart Master had a run out at Dundalk last Friday and is making a quick reappearance tomorrow so will be an good indicator of sorts to see how that one fairs. Ruby there for only 2 rides too, always worth being on. PC and Russell have a few decent each way shouts, Cottage Oak won here 3-4 years ago as far as I remember. Also confused if the odds on Double Double is in the bumper is way too short too... Good days racing in store for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 03, 2011, 10:28:20 PM
The only thing that would put me off Oscars is the lay off, The Real Article has won recently and Geraghty is in top form, whether OW has the engine and Power can give him a good ride on a course new to him... Time will only tell. Chart Master had a run out at Dundalk last Friday and is making a quick reappearance tomorrow so will be an good indicator of sorts to see how that one fairs. Ruby there for only 2 rides too, always worth being on. PC and Russell have a few decent each way shouts, Cottage Oak won here 3-4 years ago as far as I remember. Also confused if the odds on Double Double is in the bumper is way too short too... Good days racing in store for me.

Christ that thing is one to avoid. I remember him one day at Punchestown and he came so wide off the turn that he was nearly running down Naas main street. Colm Murphy's horse is interesting. Lacks a run but he has won this bumper in past with Voler La Veddete and this horse carries the same colours.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 04, 2011, 09:06:39 AM
This might be a bit of a silly question but why is Ruby banned from Down Royal this weekend? Does his ban from Aintree not exclude him from English racing only?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 09:16:44 AM
Bans are global in racing. Dettori is banned from the Breeders Cup because of a ban he picked up for interference caused at Newbury.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 04, 2011, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 03, 2011, 10:28:20 PM
The only thing that would put me off Oscars is the lay off, The Real Article has won recently and Geraghty is in top form, whether OW has the engine and Power can give him a good ride on a course new to him... Time will only tell. Chart Master had a run out at Dundalk last Friday and is making a quick reappearance tomorrow so will be an good indicator of sorts to see how that one fairs. Ruby there for only 2 rides too, always worth being on. PC and Russell have a few decent each way shouts, Cottage Oak won here 3-4 years ago as far as I remember. Also confused if the odds on Double Double is in the bumper is way too short too... Good days racing in store for me.

Christ that thing is one to avoid. I remember him one day at Punchestown and he came so wide off the turn that he was nearly running down Naas main street. Colm Murphy's horse is interesting. Lacks a run but he has won this bumper in past with Voler La Veddete and this horse carries the same colours.

I think Leish Oscar has been set up for this race, can handle the conditions today and will have no problem whatsoever with the distance... I'll be having an Oscar double this afternoon methinks.  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on November 04, 2011, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 03, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Psycho is a NR now.

Hoping for a good price on Oscars Well tomorrow Sammy? Irish-racing.com have The Real Article as their tissue fav.

I see Oscars Well is 2/1 with bet365. Looks like a decent bet in a small field.

I have a feeling that The Real Article is a bit of a talking horse. Has shown plenty of ability in some of his outings but was found out the only time he was in a real race (Galway Hurdle). I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential. Tomorrow's race may suit him - small field, no pace etc but he is too short. Oscars Well would really want to be winning this if he wants to get within a furlong of Hurricane Fly. I'm put off backing him for some reason though. He didn't win a bumper (no harm, Moscow Flyer didn't either) but it took him 5 runs to finally win a race. I'm not sure if he's just a stuffy horse that needs a few runs to get race fit or whether he's just a slow learner. Cheltenham would suggest the latter when he was still very raw and green. Robbie Power's form recently also puts me off.

Really fancy Dazzling Suzie in the mares novice and the French yoke for Meade/Gigginstown in the maiden hurdle. Neither will be much of a price unfortunately.

Is that Leroy Parker your on about for the maiden?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 04, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 04, 2011, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 03, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Psycho is a NR now.

Hoping for a good price on Oscars Well tomorrow Sammy? Irish-racing.com have The Real Article as their tissue fav.

I see Oscars Well is 2/1 with bet365. Looks like a decent bet in a small field.

I have a feeling that The Real Article is a bit of a talking horse. Has shown plenty of ability in some of his outings but was found out the only time he was in a real race (Galway Hurdle). I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential. Tomorrow's race may suit him - small field, no pace etc but he is too short. Oscars Well would really want to be winning this if he wants to get within a furlong of Hurricane Fly. I'm put off backing him for some reason though. He didn't win a bumper (no harm, Moscow Flyer didn't either) but it took him 5 runs to finally win a race. I'm not sure if he's just a stuffy horse that needs a few runs to get race fit or whether he's just a slow learner. Cheltenham would suggest the latter when he was still very raw and green. Robbie Power's form recently also puts me off.

Really fancy Dazzling Suzie in the mares novice and the French yoke for Meade/Gigginstown in the maiden hurdle. Neither will be much of a price unfortunately.

Is that Leroy Parker your on about for the maiden?

No, he means Ipsos in the 2.35 but the bookies are taking no chances with that one, 8/13  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 04, 2011, 11:23:09 AM
Goin for a double on

1.35 Dazzling Susie

2.40 Lively Baron

:P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 04, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
The Real Article found a bit for pressure today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 07:32:55 PM
Disappointed with Oscars Well even though he did blow up between the last two flights. I doubt Willie Mullins will have too many sleepless nights after that race. The Real Article's price for the Champion Hurdle is an absolute joke and just shows the paucity of top class 2 mile hurdlers with so many of last year's crop either going chasing or stepping up in trip. To put The Real Article into context, he couldn't win a Galway Hurdle off a mark of 127. Overturn won it last year off a mark of 145 and was beaten 16 lengths in the Champion Hurdle by Hurricane Fly.

Mixed day for Davy Russell. Good winning rides on both Ipsos Du Berlais and Four Commanders but complete brain fart on Dazzling Suzie thinking he was riding Carvills Hill.

Looking forward to the action Stateside now. This Secret Circle in the first is apparently a bit of a machine. Might have a small play on Stacelita in the Filly & Mare Turf.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Brian Meehan unlucky not to get one on the board.

Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2011, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential.
Where has this horse gone to?

I don't know why he didn't race after his maiden win last year but he was entered at Naas last weekend but didn't run because of the heavy ground. He has been bought by Thomas Barr over the summer.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on November 04, 2011, 10:50:05 PM
Any fancies for down royal tomorrow DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 10:56:11 PM
Nothing really jumping off the page at me anyway.

Quito De La Roque in the feature but it looks a trappy enough race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bamboo on November 04, 2011, 11:11:01 PM
i'll ask the same question but change the meeting to Sandown.

Heading there tomorrow for it's 1st big jump meet of the season.

Thanks in advance to all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2011, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 07:32:55 PM
Disappointed with Oscars Well even though he did blow up between the last two flights. I doubt Willie Mullins will have too many sleepless nights after that race. The Real Article's price for the Champion Hurdle is an absolute joke and just shows the paucity of top class 2 mile hurdlers with so many of last year's crop either going chasing or stepping up in trip. To put The Real Article into context, he couldn't win a Galway Hurdle off a mark of 127. Overturn won it last year off a mark of 145 and was beaten 16 lengths in the Champion Hurdle by Hurricane Fly.

Mixed day for Davy Russell. Good winning rides on both Ipsos Du Berlais and Four Commanders but complete brain fart on Dazzling Suzie thinking he was riding Carvills Hill.

Looking forward to the action Stateside now. This Secret Circle in the first is apparently a bit of a machine. Might have a small play on Stacelita in the Filly & Mare Turf.

Got trapped early and run a poor race.  Should have walked it.  Had Nahrain myself, Dettori give it a good run, pipped by Velaquiz on Perfect Shirl. 27/1 nicely! 
Got a bad going over today, hoping for better luck tomorrow. Have Flat Out tomorrow for the big one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2011, 11:34:21 PM
Its Tricky for the last!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2011, 11:37:54 PM
Good race, Royal Delta wins, Its tricky gallant second :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 05, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
Oscars Well clearly needed the run. Poor enough effort it has to be said though, the horse looked a shadow of itself from the middle of last year. Out again in a fortnight at Punchestown, hard to know what to expect after that run yesterday...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 05, 2011, 09:14:57 AM
Steer clear of Withers Hill today, apparently it got injured the other day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 05, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
A bit late now Don!! :-/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 05, 2011, 01:03:56 PM
Stats-based selections for a couple of today's handicaps - the trends themselves are not that strong, but these selections lead the stats by a good amount in each case:

3.10 Doncaster Scrapper Smith (27 Betfair)
3.20 Wincanton Checkerboard (14)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 05, 2011, 01:50:23 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 05, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
A bit late now Don!! :-/

Heard since that connections are still backing it, including a big bet in Moira so I will stand by my bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 05, 2011, 02:20:01 PM
QuoteTonyFearon
At Down Royal and backed Selection Box at 8/1,winner of second race. Feels like Christmas has come early!

Fearon aftertiming from the course on twitter. :P

Davy at his finest on Montan .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 02:29:36 PM
I slagged him off yesterday but that was vintage Russell. How game is that Quito De La Roque?

(http://www.irishracing.com/photo_jpeg/U000012925116091.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 05, 2011, 02:36:12 PM
Impressive winner.
Looked dead and buried 3 out but battled on. But would Bostons Angel have won if he had of stayed on his feet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 02:41:59 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 05, 2011, 02:36:12 PM
Impressive winner.
Looked dead and buried 3 out but battled on. But would Bostons Angel have won if he had of stayed on his feet?

Given the way Oscars Well fell in a hole yesterday when asked for his effort I would say no. Will Sizing Europe go for the King George now?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 05, 2011, 02:55:36 PM
Personally i thought Sizing Europe had it won 2 out when Nicholls horse made a mistake but he tired up the straight and Quito De La Roque had all the momentum. But does Sizing Europe have what it takes to win a Gold cup or King George?   
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 05, 2011, 02:55:36 PM
Personally i thought Sizing Europe had it won 2 out when Nicholls horse made a mistake but he tired up the straight and Quito De La Roque had all the momentum. But does Sizing Europe have what it takes to win a Gold cup or King George?

Gold Cup? No.

King George? Possibly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 05, 2011, 03:09:35 PM

Kauto Stone looked ominously impressive there  :o

Toomdeely looks decent e/w bet in the next.

Any thoughts on the bumper? Could be some good each way value with this Lough Roe Lady and Hidden Future
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on November 05, 2011, 05:16:10 PM
Not horse racing but betting all the same. Franke cocozza to get kicked out of the x factor tomorrow 6/4. (2 have to go tomorrow night) - a racing cert ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: downtown on November 05, 2011, 06:04:48 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on November 05, 2011, 05:16:10 PM
Not horse racing but betting all the same. Franke cocozza to get kicked out of the x factor tomorrow 6/4. (2 have to go tomorrow night) - a racing cert ;)

They only pay out on the first act kicked out so i wouldnt be betting on anyone to be kicked out this weekend. Frankie could get kicked out and you might not get paid! Thats the way paddy power are working it any way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 06:09:18 PM
One on the board for Ballydoyle.

How shit are the American turf horses?!  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on November 05, 2011, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 06:09:18 PM
One on the board for Ballydoyle.

How shit are the American turf horses?!  :D
[/quote
Do u give them much chance in the big one?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 06:42:08 PM
They've two decent shouts in the Turf but So You Think in the Classic seems to be a bit of an afterthought. Have an inkling that the Juvenile might be their best chance of another winner. Very tough race for a 2yo but Johannesburg showed it can be done.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 05, 2011, 08:50:30 PM
Good boy Joseph!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
Well done Joseph  :o

Aidan on the phone to Granny O'Brien already
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Abble on November 05, 2011, 08:55:52 PM
great horse, great ride, everything went perfect there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haze on November 05, 2011, 09:18:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
Well done Joseph  :o

Aidan on the phone to Granny O'Brien already

Great win. Delighted for Joseph- the fact that he probably wont have many opportunities to win big flat prizes must make it even more special.

Thought Aidan should have maybe held off with the phone though until interview was over
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on November 05, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
so you think?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mont on November 05, 2011, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: The Worker on November 05, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
so you think?

I certainly do although my punting record lately is dirt so I may give it the scud.

Well done Joseph on a good ride
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Abble on November 05, 2011, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: haze on November 05, 2011, 09:18:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
Well done Joseph  :o

Aidan on the phone to Granny O'Brien already

Great win. Delighted for Joseph- the fact that he probably wont have many opportunities to win big flat prizes must make it even more special.

Thought Aidan should have maybe held off with the phone though until interview was over
he was just right
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Aidan was dead right. Pesky Yanks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mont on November 05, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Aidan was dead right. Pesky Yanks.

Correct. He owes them nothing
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 05, 2011, 09:44:15 PM
any links to the breeders cup online
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 05, 2011, 09:52:57 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 05, 2011, 09:44:15 PM
any links to the breeders cup online

http://www.breederscup.com/webcam.aspx

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haze on November 05, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Aidan was dead right. Pesky Yanks.

Maybe but I don't think that excuses bad manners.

Hope Goldikova gets the 4 in a row
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mont on November 05, 2011, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: haze on November 05, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Aidan was dead right. Pesky Yanks.

Maybe but I don't think that excuses bad manners.

Hope Goldikova gets the 4 in a row

Manners would be waiting rather than shoving a microphone in your face so soon after the race!

Fancy goldikova, hope he does it as well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Abble on November 05, 2011, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: haze on November 05, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Aidan was dead right. Pesky Yanks.

Maybe but I don't think that excuses bad manners.

Hope Goldikova gets the 4 in a row

agreed on your 2nd pt Haze
but i'd say its more likely the bad manners came from the media. i think its more likely he was caught in the process of contacting family when he was pounced on, so fair dues to him...he's got his priorities right on this occasion
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Abble on November 05, 2011, 10:04:23 PM
ok, on to the big one..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 10:11:56 PM
Peslier nowhere to go. She'll be off to Fethard now to pay Galileo a visit methinks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
Any ideas for the big yin? Might put a few quid e/w on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 05, 2011, 10:50:07 PM
This was same media aiden uses to talk up his horses for breeding purposes. Aiden should have shown more class. Great win however and fair play to young Joseph. Disappointed to see goldilkova beat. Great horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2011, 10:52:59 PM
To honour and serve e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 05, 2011, 10:54:23 PM
Havre De Grace to win - Carrying Derry's colours too! ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mont on November 05, 2011, 11:00:11 PM
In tru yank fashion am doin a fc as well.....uncle mo and so u tink
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on November 05, 2011, 11:02:06 PM
so you think and game on dude reverse forecast
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 05, 2011, 11:03:25 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 05, 2011, 10:50:07 PM
This was same media aiden uses to talk up his horses for breeding purposes. Aiden should have shown more class. Great win however and fair play to young Joseph. Disappointed to see goldilkova beat. Great horse

The American media held nothing back when slating Jamie Spencer a few years ago. Aidan is well within his rights to treat them with similar disdain.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 06, 2011, 01:37:21 AM
DH ur easily the best follower of form I've ever seen and I will always respect and be in of awe of this, however I think  O brein shafted spencer soon enough and for me o brien is more than happy to use the media when needs must and he could have been more accomadting to the us media when promoting horse racing Ireland when on the international stage. Anyhow, rant over, who we backing at cork tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 06, 2011, 01:42:41 PM
I can't believe there are people criticising O'Brien for the interview he gave yesterday!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Geoff Tipps on November 06, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
Great night for Ballydoyle although to echo some other posters my initial reaction when O'Brien was interviewed was that he could have left the mobile down till after the interview had finished.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on November 06, 2011, 02:33:18 PM
Not every night you win a Breeders cup.

St Nick blew them all away. Emphatic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2011, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 06, 2011, 01:37:21 AM
DH ur easily the best follower of form I've ever seen and I will always respect and be in of awe of this, however I think  O brein shafted spencer soon enough and for me o brien is more than happy to use the media when needs must and he could have been more accomadting to the us media when promoting horse racing Ireland when on the international stage. Anyhow, rant over, who we backing at cork tomorrow?

I don't think Aidan shafted Spencer. From what I've heard Michael Tabor was very anxious to get Fallon on board and Spencer was already considering jacking it in because of the criticism he was receiving at the time and the pressure of riding for his godfather. Apparently the missus was none to keen on the quiet life in Cashel either. I understand that Tabor is also behind the present efforts to entice Moore to Ballydoyle. Ancient history now anyway.

Back to the real action - great weekend for Michael O'Leary and Noel Meade. I was quite taken with Sword Of Destiny down at Mallow. He hurdles very well and the way he eased away from a good horse in Farrells Fancy (split Last Instalment and The Real Article last season) was seriously impressive. Good to see First Lieutenant back to winning ways too. He's going to be very tough to beat when stepped up in trip and on a proper galloping track like Leopardstown or Punchestown. The likes of Mallow and Limerick Junction do not play to his strengths at all.

Peddlers Cross & Al Ferof going novice chasing on Wednesday, Morris Oil Chase at Clonmel on Thursday, Open Meeting at Cheltenham Friday-Sunday and the Lismullen and Fortria at Navan on Sunday. Great week in prospect.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 07, 2011, 09:21:41 PM
Galway native Alain Cawley has recently joined English trainer Martin Keighley's yard in the last few weeks and has already enjoyed the sweet taste of success, albeit on an odds on shot and is riding again tomorrow, Sky Calling at Lingfield in the 3.10 in what could make a very solid each way bet @ 9/1 - drifting like a barge, now out to 14/1.... but still might stick in an e/w double with KAYF COMMANDER in the 3.00 who is being backed from 14/1 to 13/2... 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 07, 2011, 10:09:40 PM
Paul Nicholls stable tour pullout in RP today, have only flicked over it so far but seems good enough.

Big Bucks going same route as last year, checked Oddschecker there to see the odds to go the season unbeaten - 7/4!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 08, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
Who's entering the Tote Ten To Follow this year then?

Anyone fancy entering one now and starting a GAA Board mini league?

QuoteTo set-up a mini-league you need to appoint a member of your group as the organiser, who when placing their online entry, will need to register a name for the mini-league.

After completing their competition entry and registering the Mini-League name, the organiser will be given a unique PIN which will be required to access the mini-league. The PIN must be advised to other members of the group who must input the PIN to join the mini-league at the time of making an online entry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 08, 2011, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 08, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
Who's entering the Tote Ten To Follow this year then?

Anyone fancy entering one now and starting a GAA Board mini league?

QuoteTo set-up a mini-league you need to appoint a member of your group as the organiser, who when placing their online entry, will need to register a name for the mini-league.

After completing their competition entry and registering the Mini-League name, the organiser will be given a unique PIN which will be required to access the mini-league. The PIN must be advised to other members of the group who must input the PIN to join the mini-league at the time of making an online entry.

I'm up for it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 08, 2011, 11:57:40 PM
Yeh - go on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 09, 2011, 10:49:49 AM
Need someone to enter their ten first and request a mini league. I am not going to put my ten in until Friday probably, always leave it to the last possible minute!

Have to see how Peddlers gets on today anyway!

Just thinking even if we don't have an official mini league setup, we could just post our lists up here and one of us can keep track of it during the year, wouldn't be too hard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 09, 2011, 02:01:35 PM
There is your first horse chosen for you now Don, Peddlers does the business, easy peasy.

whats the link, I'll take a look at sticking a few nags together for this  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 09, 2011, 02:19:02 PM
https://ttf.totesport.com/

Check out the bonus races as well. Extra points for them, first is the Paddy Power Gold Cup this weekend. There is also a bonus window where you can enter two new horses in January or February I think.

Peddlers was evens to win under 12 lengths with Cashmans there today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 09, 2011, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 09, 2011, 10:49:49 AM
Need someone to enter their ten first and request a mini league. I am not going to put my ten in until Friday probably, always leave it to the last possible minute!

Have to see how Peddlers gets on today anyway!

Just thinking even if we don't have an official mini league setup, we could just post our lists up here and one of us can keep track of it during the year, wouldn't be too hard.

They've a good comp on the Irish section of the Betfair forum. We could work something similar here if we had enough interest I reckon:

Rules

1. Up to three stables per person.
2. Each stable to consist of 10 Irish-trained horses.
3. Competition to start... Saturday 12th November 2011
4. Closing date for entries... 12pm Saturday 12th November 2011
5. Competition to end ... last day of 2012 Punchestown festival (Saturday April 28th).
6.  A person can change their selection as many times as they want up to the start date of the competition. last selection before this date, or first after will then be taken as final.

8. Transfer periods are as follows:
i. Christmas transfer period 20th - 26th December 2011, closing at 12pm on the 26th December. Two transfers.
ii. Cheltenham transfer period 9th - 13th March 2012, closing at 12pm on the 13th March. Two transfers.
iii. Final transfer period, Punchestown 20th April - 24th April 2012, closing at 12pm on the 24th April. Two transfers.

9. Points scoring:
The points awarded were as follows:
25pts for winning a Grade 1 race, 12pts for 2nd, 6pts for 3rd.

20pts for winning a Grade 2 race, 10pts for 2nd, 5pts for 3rd.

15pts for winning a Grade 3/Listed race, 8pts for 2nd, 4pts for 3rd.

12pts for winning a Hcap race, 6pts for 2nd, 3pts for 3rd.

10pts for winning any other races(Maiden & novice hurdles; Beginner's and Novice chases, bumpers etc), 5pts for 2nd, 2pts for 3rd.

ii. Additional 25pts are awarded to the winner, 12pts to the runner up, and 6pts for the 3rd in the following races:

Morgiana Hurdle
Drinmore Novice Chase
Royal Bond Novice Hurdle
Hattons Grace Hurdle
John Durkan Chase
King George VI Chase (Kempton)
Lexus Chase
Bord na Mona Novice Chase
Paddy Power Chase (Leopardstown)
December Hurdle
MCR Hurdle
Irish Arkle Chase
Irish Champion Hurdle
Deloitte Novice Hurdle
Dr PJ Moriarty Novice Chase
Hennessy Cognac Gold Cup
Powers Gold Cup
Supreme Novices Hurdle (Cheltenham)
Irish Independent Arkle Trophy (Cheltenham)
Champion Hurdle (Cheltenham)
Neptune Investments Novice Hurdle (Cheltenham)
RSA Chase (Cheltenham)
Queen Mother Champion Chase (Cheltenham)
World Hurdle (Cheltenham)
Triumph Hurdle (Cheltenham)
Cheltenham Gold Cup (Cheltenham)
John Smiths Grand National (Aintree)
Powers Whiskey Irish Grand National
Punchestown Champion Chase
Punchestown Guinness Gold Cup
Ladbrokes.com World Series Hurdle
Rabobank Champion Hurdle

iii. Points awarded for Irish and UK racing only!

10. Referee's decision is final.
11. A leaderboard will be updated each Monday/Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Heartbroken on November 09, 2011, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 09, 2011, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 09, 2011, 10:49:49 AM
Need someone to enter their ten first and request a mini league. I am not going to put my ten in until Friday probably, always leave it to the last possible minute!

Have to see how Peddlers gets on today anyway!

Just thinking even if we don't have an official mini league setup, we could just post our lists up here and one of us can keep track of it during the year, wouldn't be too hard.

They've a good comp on the Irish section of the Betfair forum. We could work something similar here if we had enough interest I reckon:

Rules

1. Up to three stables per person.
2. Each stable to consist of 10 Irish-trained horses.
3. Competition to start... Saturday 12th November 2011
4. Closing date for entries... 12pm Saturday 12th November 2011
5. Competition to end ... last day of 2012 Punchestown festival (Saturday April 28th).
6.  A person can change their selection as many times as they want up to the start date of the competition. last selection before this date, or first after will then be taken as final.

8. Transfer periods are as follows:
i. Christmas transfer period 20th - 26th December 2011, closing at 12pm on the 26th December. Two transfers.
ii. Cheltenham transfer period 9th - 13th March 2012, closing at 12pm on the 13th March. Two transfers.
iii. Final transfer period, Punchestown 20th April - 24th April 2012, closing at 12pm on the 24th April. Two transfers.

9. Points scoring:
The points awarded were as follows:
25pts for winning a Grade 1 race, 12pts for 2nd, 6pts for 3rd.

20pts for winning a Grade 2 race, 10pts for 2nd, 5pts for 3rd.

15pts for winning a Grade 3/Listed race, 8pts for 2nd, 4pts for 3rd.

12pts for winning a Hcap race, 6pts for 2nd, 3pts for 3rd.

10pts for winning any other races(Maiden & novice hurdles; Beginner's and Novice chases, bumpers etc), 5pts for 2nd, 2pts for 3rd.

ii. Additional 25pts are awarded to the winner, 12pts to the runner up, and 6pts for the 3rd in the following races:

Morgiana Hurdle
Drinmore Novice Chase
Royal Bond Novice Hurdle
Hattons Grace Hurdle
John Durkan Chase
King George VI Chase (Kempton)
Lexus Chase
Bord na Mona Novice Chase
Paddy Power Chase (Leopardstown)
December Hurdle
MCR Hurdle
Irish Arkle Chase
Irish Champion Hurdle
Deloitte Novice Hurdle
Dr PJ Moriarty Novice Chase
Hennessy Cognac Gold Cup
Powers Gold Cup
Supreme Novices Hurdle (Cheltenham)
Irish Independent Arkle Trophy (Cheltenham)
Champion Hurdle (Cheltenham)
Neptune Investments Novice Hurdle (Cheltenham)
RSA Chase (Cheltenham)
Queen Mother Champion Chase (Cheltenham)
World Hurdle (Cheltenham)
Triumph Hurdle (Cheltenham)
Cheltenham Gold Cup (Cheltenham)
John Smiths Grand National (Aintree)
Powers Whiskey Irish Grand National
Punchestown Champion Chase
Punchestown Guinness Gold Cup
Ladbrokes.com World Series Hurdle
Rabobank Champion Hurdle

iii. Points awarded for Irish and UK racing only!

10. Referee's decision is final.
11. A leaderboard will be updated each Monday/Tuesday.

Great idea who will run it though?!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 09, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
who is willing to set it up?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 09, 2011, 05:06:19 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 09, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
who is willing to set it up?

NOT ME  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on November 10, 2011, 12:47:41 PM
DH any thoughts on First Lieutenant at Cheltenham on Saturday?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 10, 2011, 12:47:41 PM
DH any thoughts on First Lieutenant at Cheltenham on Saturday?

I'd be surprised if he runs. Think Mouse will wait for the Flordia Pearl at Punchestown on Sunday week. Don't think he's keen on the Drinmore.

Liking the price on For Bill today. Shop Dj is too short on what she has achieved and Blazing Tempo ran shtink up north at the weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 10, 2011, 01:29:54 PM
Gonna try these 3 this afternoon; 2.00 Bold Perk, 2.40 Daymar Bay, 3.00 Ingleby Spirit, all look like they can get into the places at the very least  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 10, 2011, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 10, 2011, 12:47:41 PM
DH any thoughts on First Lieutenant at Cheltenham on Saturday?

I'd be surprised if he runs. Think Mouse will wait for the Flordia Pearl at Punchestown on Sunday week. Don't think he's keen on the Drinmore.

Liking the price on For Bill today. Shop Dj is too short on what she has achieved and Blazing Tempo ran shtink up north at the weekend.

Absolute massacre towards the end of the Mares chase with half the field falling over the final 2 fences, including the leader over each. Blazing Tempo profited.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on November 10, 2011, 03:04:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 10, 2011, 12:47:41 PM
DH any thoughts on First Lieutenant at Cheltenham on Saturday?

I'd be surprised if he runs. Think Mouse will wait for the Flordia Pearl at Punchestown on Sunday week. Don't think he's keen on the Drinmore.

Liking the price on For Bill today. Shop Dj is too short on what she has achieved and Blazing Tempo ran shtink up north at the weekend.
Im going to Cheltenham on saturday, any horses i should be keeping an eye out for ( obviously i havent got a clue!!)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2011, 07:54:21 PM
The Saturday is always the hardest day of the Open Meeting to find winners in my experience. I'll have a peep at the decs tomorrow.

Great racing tomorrow but you couldn't really have a big bet with any confidence. Steps To Freedom and Cue Card stand out to me in their respective races.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 11, 2011, 02:31:05 PM
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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 11, 2011, 03:00:33 PM
Steps to Freedom - Game as FCUK!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 11, 2011, 03:02:41 PM
Developed into a bit of a sprint which is unsatisfactory looking at the race for future reference. Robbie Power gave him a good confident ride but had Walsh been on the runner up I'm sure that would have been a different result. Daryl Jacob isn't in the same league.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on November 11, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
Anyone having trouble with PP website not showing up race cards etc??  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on November 11, 2011, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2011, 07:54:21 PM
The Saturday is always the hardest day of the Open Meeting to find winners in my experience. I'll have a peep at the decs tomorrow.

Great racing tomorrow but you couldn't really have a big bet with any confidence. Steps To Freedom and Cue Card stand out to me in their respective races.
Cheers DH, ill not be putting any bookis at risk!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on November 11, 2011, 03:47:57 PM
Still had my placepot running for Cheltenham til the 2nd last race there, i had 2 in this race - Tiger D'Aron and a non-runner, i take it thats me beat??

the non-runner will go onto the favourite which is Tiger D'Aron??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 11, 2011, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: ludermor on November 11, 2011, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2011, 07:54:21 PM
The Saturday is always the hardest day of the Open Meeting to find winners in my experience. I'll have a peep at the decs tomorrow.

Great racing tomorrow but you couldn't really have a big bet with any confidence. Steps To Freedom and Cue Card stand out to me in their respective races.
Cheers DH, ill not be putting any bookis at risk!

I couldn't tip shit from a bucket at the moment!

Don't really fancy anything in the big race. Daves Dream possibly e/w. Restless Harry in the last is a long way clear on hurdles ratings should he take to fences.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 11, 2011, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 11, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
Anyone having trouble with PP website not showing up race cards etc??  >:(

yea and couldnt get working today at all internet explorer wont let the page load had to use google chromebut got sorted and had a decent bet on thanks for that @ 9s
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 12, 2011, 08:37:23 AM
I'm going to go against the grain and side with DH in the PP Gold Cup!
Daves Dream at 12/1 looks like value. Apparently had a breathing op over the summer. However at 25/1 Poquelin has to be backed IMO. Very unpredictable and top weight but a very talented horse on his day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 12, 2011, 09:27:13 AM
People could do worse than have a copper or 2 e/w on Loosen my load in the big 1 today! He was 5 or 6 lengths behind wishful thinking in the Jewson last March after not settling and he's in receipt of 11 pounds tomorrow yet he's about 16/1 whereas wishful thinking's about 6/1!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 12, 2011, 01:18:27 PM
ozeta in the 1st  with pp
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 12, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
Great to see Quel Esprit put in a clear round at Naas. Still a serious prospect IMO.

Good reappearance from Unaccompanied too. Hard to know what route they'll go with her. She might struggle against Hurricane Fly and co and probably wouldn't have sufficient stamina to run in the two and a half mile mares races.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 12, 2011, 02:28:12 PM
Finger On The Pulse comes out tops in the Paddy Power Gold Cup Stats. 80 on Betfair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 12, 2011, 02:48:52 PM
county hurdle maybe dh?

chicago grey being plotted for one of the nationals by elliot and carberry today, ran so far off the pace it was never getting into the race. loosen my load was very disappointing in the paddy power, off the bridle very early on
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 12, 2011, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on November 12, 2011, 02:48:52 PM
county hurdle maybe dh?

chicago grey being plotted for one of the nationals by elliot and carberry today, ran so far off the pace it was never getting into the race. loosen my load was very disappointing in the paddy power, off the bridle very early on

For Unaccompanied? I'm sure DK will try her over 2m4 at least once before the spring to see if she could take on Quevega. Hattons Grace might be the one with Hurricane Fly possibly waiting until Christmas after the Morgiana. Thousand Stars hardly a walkover there though. I'm sure they probably have Melbourne in the back of their minds though. Moyglare have hardly kept her in training to mop up listed hurdles and the likes.

I wouldn't be keen on Chicago Grey at Liverpool. I think he has to be dropped out and that won't do over the big fences. He blew out big time at Ayr last season too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on November 12, 2011, 06:14:20 PM
think 2m4f might be a stretch, fighting fifth, christmas hurdle could be good pots, english 2m hurdlers look very poor.

thought dylan ross would be close to dds on tomorrow and hes 5/2 with bet365, mikael dhaguenet getting nice weight from opposition, 7/2 isnt a bad price considering.

montbazon nap of the day in the bumper at cheltenahm, second to steps to freedom in the garde one bumper at the aintree festival. suprised hes stil running in these and is surely way ahead of the field
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 12, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
That's a nice price about Dylan Ross. Has looked quite smart so far in his short career. Wouldn't want to be having a bet in either the Lismullen or the Fortria. Interesting to see how Wylie's first horse with Willie Mullins gets on in the opener.

Really like the chances of Whatwillwecallher down at Limerick. She went from strength to strength in bumpers and Tyner is in great form. Could be a shrewd purchase for JP. He should win the other maiden hurdle too with Jenari who jumped poorly at Galway and looks a bit of a bridle horse but should outclass poor opposition here.

The Cheltenham card looks trappy. Will wait to see how the ground is riding before deciding whether to punt Moon Dice. Looking forward to seeing Fingal Bay in the novice hurdle - looked a decent prospect at Chepstow. That bumper always throws up a good horse. Montbazon easily has the best form but I'm not sure about King's form and to be honest Thornton has been riding poorly since his return from injury. Won't have a bet myself but I liked Mags Mullins' Vinnie Roe horse at Gowran.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 13, 2011, 04:06:51 PM
Market told the story in the For Auction. Not sure that Italian horse is up to much so not sure Dylan Ross will be worth following up in grade. Boston Bob looks a nice horse but it was a very moderate maiden hurdle. Murphy will be pleased with his double.

Really likeable show from Whatwillwecallher at Limerick. Backed as if defeat was out of the question and won accordingly. She jumped really well.

Al Ferof did what he was entitled to at Cheltenham. Shaping up to be a very hot Arkle with the likes of Peddlers Cross, Menorah, Sprinter Sacre and possibly Solwhit. Think Moon Dice would have gone close but for getting wiped out turning in. Should be on a nice mark for March as a result. Fingal Bay won comfortably despite a bad mistake two out - I think he'll need three miles on quicker ground though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 13, 2011, 04:26:31 PM
Just seen on Twitter:

'Exciting Willie Mullins-trained hurdling prospect Lovethehigherlaw died on the gallops on Sunday morning'

Very sad. Was at the top of the betting for some of the Cheltenham antepost markets too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2011, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 13, 2011, 04:26:31 PM
Just seen on Twitter:

'Exciting Willie Mullins-trained hurdling prospect Lovethehigherlaw died on the gallops on Sunday morning'

Very sad. Was at the top of the betting for some of the Cheltenham antepost markets too.

Such a shame. Was looking forward to seeing him and Waaheb scrapping it out again over timber.

Apparently Pandorama is out for the season now as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 14, 2011, 02:42:23 PM
Nicholls put this up today about Kauto (I won't be backing him though):

http://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/paul-nicholls/latest-news/paul-nicholls-kauto-star-primed-for-betfair-chase-141111.html

IF anybody mentions the "R" word to me this week, then they can expect a short conversation!

In all seriousness, let's just concentrate on the horse, shall we?

It was only two runs ago, in March, that I momentarily thought Kauto Star may just win his third Gold Cup. And that is not just my biased eyes, as he traded at odds-on in running on Betfair, too.

And as those who were at Exeter for his recent racecourse gallop will have seen, Kauto Star looks fantastic at the moment, and is as alert as ever at home, never missing a trick. He has been working with all his customary verve and enthusiasm, and goes to the Betfair Chase at Haydock on Saturday 100% fit and well.

And, with the current ground and a dry forecast, there should be no excuses for him at Haydock.

Of course, he faces a very stiff task against the likes of Long Run and horses of the class and potential of the best-when-fresh Diamond Harry, Donald's back-to-form Weird Al and the up-and-coming Time For Rupert.

Only eight are entered ( I wasn't surprised to see Grands Crus not entered for the race at midday) but it looks a top class Betfair Chase.

But there is no point worrying about the opposition, I can't do anything about them.

Although Kauto Star won this race first time up in 2009 (the last of his three wins in the race), you don't tend to have Gold Cup winners hard fit for their reappearances and that gives us all hope that Long Run can be beaten, just as he was in the Paddy Power last season.

And, although Nicky had a winner and had some horses run big races at Cheltenham, it could be that his horses are not quite at concert pitch at the moment. But Kauto Star is and he won't fail through lack of fitness.

He did two canters up the hill today, will do will three tomorrow, will school on Wednesday and do some strong work on Thursday, with either Master Minded or Big Buck's, another two canters on Friday and will travel up to Haydock early Saturday morning.

And the afternoon will show us exactly where we are with Kauto Star.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2011, 04:26:25 PM
I can never recall the Fat Controller ever giving a negative update about one of his horses (particularly one of his stable stars) prior to their reappearance. It's only afterwards that he finds excuses for them: needed the run, bad ground, slight hiccup in training etc.

Kauto Star and Denman will be lucky to win a race between them for the rest of their careers IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2011, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential.

Where has this horse gone to?

I don't know why he didn't race after his maiden win last year but he was entered at Naas last weekend but didn't run because of the heavy ground. He has been bought by Thomas Barr over the summer.

Staying Article runs in the second race at Fairyhouse tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on November 15, 2011, 04:47:56 PM
any good soul with access to a bet calculator work out what this gets me?

40pence each way lucky 15  -

4/1 placed
10/1 placed
4/1 placed
8/1 winner


thanks in advance!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 15, 2011, 05:22:39 PM
£51.56
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2011, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2011, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential.

Where has this horse gone to?

I don't know why he didn't race after his maiden win last year but he was entered at Naas last weekend but didn't run because of the heavy ground. He has been bought by Thomas Barr over the summer.

Staying Article runs in the second race at Fairyhouse tomorrow.

Being punted off the boards since last night. Must be ready.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 16, 2011, 09:45:13 AM
Hurricane Fly a non runner for the Morgiana. Just as well I didn't put him in my antepost bet I did the other day.

Staying Article 7/4 -> 4/5 with Paddy Power.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2011, 09:58:00 AM
Fcukin horse is made of glass.

Hope to god it's not serious.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 16, 2011, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2011, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2011, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential.

Where has this horse gone to?

I don't know why he didn't race after his maiden win last year but he was entered at Naas last weekend but didn't run because of the heavy ground. He has been bought by Thomas Barr over the summer.

Staying Article runs in the second race at Fairyhouse tomorrow.

Being punted off the boards since last night. Must be ready.

2nd, lucky I missed it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on November 16, 2011, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 16, 2011, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2011, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2011, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential.

Where has this horse gone to?

I don't know why he didn't race after his maiden win last year but he was entered at Naas last weekend but didn't run because of the heavy ground. He has been bought by Thomas Barr over the summer.

Staying Article runs in the second race at Fairyhouse tomorrow.

Being punted off the boards since last night. Must be ready.

2nd, lucky I missed it

I didn't miss it!  :( Beans and toast tonight then!!!!  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2011, 05:04:15 PM
Feckin monkeys those Definite Articles. Don't know how many times I've promised myself never to fall for one again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 17, 2011, 09:49:46 AM
Ipsos Du Berlais out again today in 2.45 Thurles......Thoughts on his chances today DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2011, 11:09:04 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 17, 2011, 09:49:46 AM
Ipsos Du Berlais out again today in 2.45 Thurles......Thoughts on his chances today DH?

He'll piss up. Not much of a price now mind with Black Benny taken out. Managed to get the 4/6 last night but might incur a rule 4 now.

Some good novices running today and already some cash around for them. Rathlin (6th in the Supreme Novices last season) ran like a drain on his debut for Mouse Morris but he's far better than that. Aupcharlie (first Irish horse home in the Cheltenham bumper) now runs in the Potts colours and has been transferred to Willie Mullins.

Horse I'm really looking forward to called Simonsig (hosed up in the p2p bumper at Fairyhouse) makes his hurdling debut tomorrow for Henderson at Ascot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on November 17, 2011, 12:40:22 PM
DH whats you thoughts on the bet fair chase this saturday? I know long run won the gold cup but is he all he's made out to be?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 17, 2011, 01:03:34 PM
Anyone get word on Rothwell's runner, Mark Me Up in the 3.15? Also heard Just Rob is fancied in the 1.15 as is Chargen e/w in the 3.30 Hereford... wouldnt go too crazy on any but might be worth watching the markets on them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 17, 2011, 01:40:56 PM
Right lads Im interested in anyone that was over at Cheltenham last week or ever before, im organising a stag for the bro and I think we want the open meeting at PP next year.

Has anyone been on these before?

Does anyone know the best agent/hotel/bnb to go through?

All thoughts and opinions are welcome!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2011, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 17, 2011, 12:40:22 PM
DH whats you thoughts on the bet fair chase this saturday? I know long run won the gold cup but is he all he's made out to be?

Race to avoid like the plague IMO. Too many question marks over the whole field.

Long Run is a worthy fav but is too short for a number of reasons. It's his first run and he was beaten on his reappearance last year off a mark of 152 in the Paddy Power. He's overrated on his Gold Cup form which didn't take much winning - two regressive horses (albeit fine horses at their peak) bang there turning in and a pure dog of a horse in What A Friend not beaten far. Also you're backing, by a stretch, the worst jockey in the race who rarely has convinced on this horse who can clout a fence.

Diamond Harry is a bit of a flat track bully. Never really produced when asked to do it in top company and always seems to have some excuse made for him.

Weird Al won the Charlie Hall well but he might struggle to put back to back performances together and he has been found wanting at the highest level too.

Time For Rupert is another horse who doesn't really justify his reputation for me. I think he's rated on the basis of one run over hurdles and hasn't beaten a whole lot as a chaser. Ran like a drain when supposedly the English good thing at Cheltenham last season.

Kauto Star should have been retired after Punchestown. He ran like a horse who had simply had enough and no amount of positive bulletins from Nicholls will convince me otherwise though I would love to be proved wrong.

I can't find a betting angle on the race at all. It's a pity Rubi Light wasn't ready for it because I fancy he'd well outrun his price against this field. Too many holes in the lot of them. Long Run SHOULD win but he's not a horse I'd ever think was value at a short price against most opposition.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 18, 2011, 12:30:24 PM
Remember Now 12.50 haydock...McCoys fancied to win... ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 18, 2011, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 18, 2011, 12:30:24 PM
Remember Now 12.50 haydock...McCoys fancied to win... ;)

doing this one in a double with 3.55 ASCOT - DECOY 6/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on November 18, 2011, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 18, 2011, 12:30:24 PM
Remember Now 12.50 haydock...McCoys fancied to win... ;)

Oh f**k ....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 18, 2011, 12:56:50 PM
Sorry lads. Didn't feature! >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on November 18, 2011, 12:59:26 PM
Thats my betting finished for two weeks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 18, 2011, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 18, 2011, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on November 18, 2011, 12:30:24 PM
Remember Now 12.50 haydock...McCoys fancied to win... ;)

doing this one in a double with 3.55 ASCOT - DECOY 6/4

f**king chasing already... what a start to the weekend  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2011, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2011, 11:09:04 AM
Horse I'm really looking forward to called Simonsig (hosed up in the p2p bumper at Fairyhouse) makes his hurdling debut tomorrow for Henderson at Ascot.

Nothing race but he looks like a horse with a serious engine.
Title: AP
Post by: drici on November 18, 2011, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2011, 01:15:41 PM

he looks like a horse with a serious engine.



Sure listen Tracy...
Title: Re: AP
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2011, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: drici on November 18, 2011, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2011, 01:15:41 PM

he looks like a horse with a serious engine.



Sure listen Tracy...

Real chaser in the making. Whatever he does over hurdles is a bonus.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on November 18, 2011, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 17, 2011, 01:40:56 PM
Right lads Im interested in anyone that was over at Cheltenham last week or ever before, im organising a stag for the bro and I think we want the open meeting at PP next year.

Has anyone been on these before?

Does anyone know the best agent/hotel/bnb to go through?

All thoughts and opinions are welcome!


We went to the January meeting for my stag (6 years ago!).

We stayed in Bristol and got the train up and down. This was dead handy; they've got busses running on a loop all day from the course to the train station. Train tickets were cheap too as it was off peak times.

Bristol was a good city for nightlife, there's everything in it and quite a few stag-friendly bars and clubs. Good sized city and fairly friendly locals who weren't as used to the Irish as some cities. There were heaps of flights out of Belfast to Bristol at the time too. It's quite a handy run from Cardiff too if Bristol flights are busy.



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2011, 09:33:27 PM
Have been hearing a few very positive bulletins about Midnight Game (O'Leary/Mullins) who goes in the maiden hurdle at Punchestown tomorrow. Similarish profile on the flat to Hurricane Fly and fetched big money as a yearling.

Looking forward to Oscar Whiskey at Ascot. I think he's a horse who will have a very good season. He shapes like a two and a half mile plus horse and his only two lifetime defeats were when fourth in the Supreme Novices and third in the Champion Hurdle. Very surprised he's not odds on considering the number of winners Henderson banged in today.

John Ferguson's (flagged him up a few weeks ago as a trainer to follow) horse in the bumper is one to keep an eye on going on his first run. It was a falsely run race but the way he just clicked through the gears was seriously impressive.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on November 18, 2011, 11:35:20 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2011, 09:33:27 PM
Have been hearing a few very positive bulletins about Midnight Game (O'Leary/Mullins) who goes in the maiden hurdle at Punchestown tomorrow. Similarish profile on the flat to Hurricane Fly and fetched big money as a yearling.

Looking forward to Oscar Whiskey at Ascot. I think he's a horse who will have a very good season. He shapes like a two and a half mile plus horse and his only two lifetime defeats were when fourth in the Supreme Novices and third in the Champion Hurdle. Very surprised he's not odds on considering the number of winners Henderson banged in today.

John Ferguson's (flagged him up a few weeks ago as a trainer to follow) horse in the bumper is one to keep an eye on going on his first run. It was a falsely run race but the way he just clicked through the gears was seriously impressive.

You talking about Population?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 19, 2011, 02:51:55 PM
Aw noooo!! Oscar Whiskey just let me down on a £10 treble with Master Minded 15/8 and Dynaste 8/1. Gutted!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 19, 2011, 02:51:55 PM
Aw noooo!! Oscar Whiskey just let me down on a £10 treble with Master Minded 15/8 and Dynaste 8/1. Gutted!!

Would have won two or three lengths.........  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 03:11:40 PM
Proved wrong  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on November 19, 2011, 03:12:55 PM
Bounced back again! What a horse!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 19, 2011, 03:14:07 PM
What a horse and what a ride by Ruby,didn't back anything in the race but was roaring it home!Absolutely class!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 19, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
Great performance by Kauto Star, wonder is it a final kick or could he push on from this? Long Run had a decent enough run in behind!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 19, 2011, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 19, 2011, 02:51:55 PM
Aw noooo!! Oscar Whiskey just let me down on a £10 treble with Master Minded 15/8 and Dynaste 8/1. Gutted!!

me also for 800 quid   :'(  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 19, 2011, 03:38:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 19, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
Great performance by Kauto Star, wonder is it a final kick or could he push on from this? Long Run had a decent enough run in behind!

great win for kauto and great to see but i think long run will come on the most for the run needs to get jumping better tho
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
While it was thrilling to see the old horse return to former glory it is also a small bit disappointing in a way.

It doesn't say a lot for the younger chasers. Diamond Harry exposed at the highest level again and Time For Rupert and Weird Al are no more than decent. Long Run is a bit of an enigma. The jockey does him no favours at all but the handicapper has grossly overrated his mark. He couldn't win the Paddy Power off a mark in the low 150s twelve months ago and all of a sudden we're supposed to believe he has improved thirty plus lbs?

Captain Chris is the one to be on for Kempton now IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 19, 2011, 03:48:27 PM
What a wonderful race and a fantastic victory for a magnificent horse. Grade One chase victories in 7 successive seasons. Remarkable.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 04:07:06 PM
Population for the Champion Bumper methinks. Expect he'll be put away for the bumper there on New Years Day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 19, 2011, 04:17:04 PM
Todays lesson we learnt that:

I cant pick my f@#king nose

Barry Gerathy is caaaaaat

and bookies dont ride bikes
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 19, 2011, 04:35:00 PM
An unbelievable racehorse! The best I've seen.

They've been calling for Kauto to be retired since Denman beat him in that Gold Cup - honestly, I'd say he'll back this time next year for a fifth Betfair Chase.

He knows no bounds.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 19, 2011, 05:07:44 PM
Kauto the Star of the day once again, exceptional performance and Walsh shows his class but some very interesting winners and losers today...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Been doing some research on p2p winners from last season and have come across a few French imports as well. Most of these horses should be out in the next few weeks:

Champagne Fever: Won a maiden point by 10L at Quakerstown in April.

Darroun: Aga Khan bred winner on the flat in France. Now with Willie Mullins.

High Handel: Oratorio gelding who bolted up at Dromohane.

Home Farm: Presenting out of a half-sister to Jodami. Won at Horse & Jockey in March and now with Arthur Moore after going for €200,000 at Goffs in May.

Make Your Mark: Beneficial gelding from the family of Wayward Lad. Won a point at Lisronagh for Ger Hourigan (also ran War Of Attrition in a point). Bought by Harold Kirk for €100,000 at Goffs in May. Running tomorrow in the bumper at Punchestown for Gigginstown/Mullins.

Mythical Warrior: Commanding advantage over the afforementioned Home Farm when falling at the last at Horse & Jockey in March.

On Your Eoin: Beat Clondaw Warrior (subsequent Cheltenham bumper winner) at Maralin in April. Now with Noel Meade.

Toostrong: Unraced French import by Network (sire of Rubi Light and Sprinter Sacre). Bought by Gigginstown to be trained by Willie Mullins.

Twigline: Bumper winning filly in France who will run for the Clane based sydicate who own Quevega, Thousand Stars and J'y Vole.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 19, 2011, 07:17:05 PM
Cheers for all those DH, hopefully some room left in the notebook for them all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 19, 2011, 08:53:58 PM
a few winners in there alright  :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 20, 2011, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 05, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
Oscars Well clearly needed the run. Poor enough effort it has to be said though, the horse looked a shadow of itself from the middle of last year. Out again in a fortnight at Punchestown, hard to know what to expect after that run yesterday...

Another intriguing renewal of the Morgiana later on. The money arriving for Ruby and Mullins, Thousand Stars... So will be difficult to back Oscars today with any major confidence in a very competitive looking race. Not sure either why Pittoni has been on the drift. The horse is back to 2 miles this afternoon and the ground should be ideal which I think will help its cause but Power will need to be very cute against the other two major contenders.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 20, 2011, 11:55:38 AM
Thinking of backing thousand stars in the Morgiana but slightly concerned about small field/lack of pace as thousand stars always stays on well,any chance Ruby'll try win it from the front today rather than letting it become a sprint finish?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2011, 11:56:59 AM
It's a very poor renewal. Hurricane Fly wouldn't come off the bridle against them.

Thousand Stars is the class act but he's probably going to need it. Doubt he'd have ran had the great horse been fit. Pittoni is something of a Solwhit-lite. I was disappointed with Oscars Well up North. I know he will come on for the run as all of Harrington's tend to do but he really went out like a light. I have my reservations over what he finds when push comes to shove. To my eyes he was running on empty at Cheltenham when both Rock On Ruby and First Lieutenant looked like they were about to swallow him up. He did win two grade 1s as a novice but he barely had to come off the bridle in either and the form of them doesn't really stack up.

If I knew Thousand Stars was at least 90% fit I'd be punting him but I'll be sitting this one out. I suspect the Hattons Grace is his target.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2011, 02:16:10 PM
Great display from the front.

Pittoni probably ran to his mark. Can't see Oscars Well doing much at the highest level over timber. I'd give him a lightish campaign and go over fences early next season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 20, 2011, 02:51:50 PM
Yep, Ruby rid a smart race. OW looks limited in quality opposition, especially a Mulllins 2nd string. Can't see any signs of improving from the 2 outings so far...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2011, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Make Your Mark: Beneficial gelding from the family of Wayward Lad. Won a point at Lisronagh for Ger Hourigan (also ran War Of Attrition in a point). Bought by Harold Kirk for €100,000 at Goffs in May. Running tomorrow in the bumper at Punchestown for Gigginstown/Mullins.

Ge up de yard! Routed them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 20, 2011, 04:08:09 PM
Good man Dh,that completed a nice day,had thousand stars and Dedigout who looks decent!Donnas palm was my only loser today and in hindsight shouldn't have been backed over the trip but last instalment looks a beast almost stepping over his fences he could be top drawer!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2011, 04:12:22 PM
O'Leary and Mullins have the potential to completely dominate NH racing for the forseeable future. Nearly every promising young horse in this country either runs in the Gigginstown silks or is trained at Closutton (some horses falling into both categories).

They'll have some job keeping them all apart in the run up to the spring festivals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 20, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Been doing some research on p2p winners from last season and have come across a few French imports as well. Most of these horses should be out in the next few weeks:

Champagne Fever: Won a maiden point by 10L at Quakerstown in April.

Darroun: Aga Khan bred winner on the flat in France. Now with Willie Mullins.

High Handel: Oratorio gelding who bolted up at Dromohane.

Home Farm: Presenting out of a half-sister to Jodami. Won at Horse & Jockey in March and now with Arthur Moore after going for €200,000 at Goffs in May.

Make Your Mark: Beneficial gelding from the family of Wayward Lad. Won a point at Lisronagh for Ger Hourigan (also ran War Of Attrition in a point). Bought by Harold Kirk for €100,000 at Goffs in May. Running tomorrow in the bumper at Punchestown for Gigginstown/Mullins.

Mythical Warrior: Commanding advantage over the afforementioned Home Farm when falling at the last at Horse & Jockey in March.

On Your Eoin: Beat Clondaw Warrior (subsequent Cheltenham bumper winner) at Maralin in April. Now with Noel Meade.

Toostrong: Unraced French import by Network (sire of Rubi Light and Sprinter Sacre). Bought by Gigginstown to be trained by Willie Mullins.

Twigline: Bumper winning filly in France who will run for the Clane based sydicate who own Quevega, Thousand Stars and J'y Vole.

DH i got tip for Twigline at Cheltenham for the Bumper or Triumph only it broke a leg on the gallops at the Curragh. Nice to see it has made a comeback.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2011, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 20, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Been doing some research on p2p winners from last season and have come across a few French imports as well. Most of these horses should be out in the next few weeks:

Champagne Fever: Won a maiden point by 10L at Quakerstown in April.

Darroun: Aga Khan bred winner on the flat in France. Now with Willie Mullins.

High Handel: Oratorio gelding who bolted up at Dromohane.

Home Farm: Presenting out of a half-sister to Jodami. Won at Horse & Jockey in March and now with Arthur Moore after going for €200,000 at Goffs in May.

Make Your Mark: Beneficial gelding from the family of Wayward Lad. Won a point at Lisronagh for Ger Hourigan (also ran War Of Attrition in a point). Bought by Harold Kirk for €100,000 at Goffs in May. Running tomorrow in the bumper at Punchestown for Gigginstown/Mullins.

Mythical Warrior: Commanding advantage over the afforementioned Home Farm when falling at the last at Horse & Jockey in March.

On Your Eoin: Beat Clondaw Warrior (subsequent Cheltenham bumper winner) at Maralin in April. Now with Noel Meade.

Toostrong: Unraced French import by Network (sire of Rubi Light and Sprinter Sacre). Bought by Gigginstown to be trained by Willie Mullins.

Twigline: Bumper winning filly in France who will run for the Clane based sydicate who own Quevega, Thousand Stars and J'y Vole.

DH i got tip for Twigline at Cheltenham for the Bumper or Triumph only it broke a leg on the gallops at the Curragh. Nice to see it has made a comeback.

I don't think she broke a leg - if she did she'd hardly still be with us let alone still in training. I think she just pulled up lame after galloping up the Old Vic one morning. She's only a 4yo so they didn't rush her back.

The lads who own her have been incredibly lucky. J'y Vole, Quevega and Thousand Stars. I'm sure they were out in force after Punchestown today. Some going for a small syndicate from Clane.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 21, 2011, 12:16:52 PM
Been told namarama's fancied to win the Kempton 2.35,small stakes for me though as source can be hit and miss  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 21, 2011, 01:39:43 PM
Ludlow 1.45 Foxbridge 10/11
Ffos Las 1.55 Plunkett 3/1
Kempton 3.40 Mangonel 7/4
Ludlow 3.50 Court Minstrel 1/1

A chancy lucky 15 for today  ??? 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 21, 2011, 02:17:00 PM
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/trainer_home.sd?trainer_id=311#topTrainerTabs=trainer_entries&bottomTrainerTabs=trainer_big_race_wins

Henderson, 7 runners today = 7 winners. Almost as hot as Willie Mullins at the moment  :o  :o

I'm sure the 80-odd/1 accumulator will be all over the net later on. Some going.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 21, 2011, 05:07:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 20, 2011, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 20, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Been doing some research on p2p winners from last season and have come across a few French imports as well. Most of these horses should be out in the next few weeks:

Champagne Fever: Won a maiden point by 10L at Quakerstown in April.

Darroun: Aga Khan bred winner on the flat in France. Now with Willie Mullins.

High Handel: Oratorio gelding who bolted up at Dromohane.

Home Farm: Presenting out of a half-sister to Jodami. Won at Horse & Jockey in March and now with Arthur Moore after going for €200,000 at Goffs in May.

Make Your Mark: Beneficial gelding from the family of Wayward Lad. Won a point at Lisronagh for Ger Hourigan (also ran War Of Attrition in a point). Bought by Harold Kirk for €100,000 at Goffs in May. Running tomorrow in the bumper at Punchestown for Gigginstown/Mullins.

Mythical Warrior: Commanding advantage over the afforementioned Home Farm when falling at the last at Horse & Jockey in March.

On Your Eoin: Beat Clondaw Warrior (subsequent Cheltenham bumper winner) at Maralin in April. Now with Noel Meade.

Toostrong: Unraced French import by Network (sire of Rubi Light and Sprinter Sacre). Bought by Gigginstown to be trained by Willie Mullins.

Twigline: Bumper winning filly in France who will run for the Clane based sydicate who own Quevega, Thousand Stars and J'y Vole.

DH i got tip for Twigline at Cheltenham for the Bumper or Triumph only it broke a leg on the gallops at the Curragh. Nice to see it has made a comeback.

I don't think she broke a leg - if she did she'd hardly still be with us let alone still in training. I think she just pulled up lame after galloping up the Old Vic one morning. She's only a 4yo so they didn't rush her back.

The lads who own her have been incredibly lucky. J'y Vole, Quevega and Thousand Stars. I'm sure they were out in force after Punchestown today. Some going for a small syndicate from Clane.

Something happened it anyway. Had it backed at 20s & 40s
I was told it was Willie Mullins banker for the week. Which is some going for a horse that hasn't had a run in the UK/Ireland.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 22, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
DH, Sammy etc etc... Any Donkeys 2day?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 22, 2011, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: Candyman on November 22, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
DH, Sammy etc etc... Any Donkeys 2day?

You asking me!!!  :o DH is the man. Not a great looking days racing ahead Candy (as you'd expect on a Tuesday in November) but a winner is a winner if you can get 1. Endeavor at 13/2 could be a solid e/w 3.30 and there seems to be a bit of talk about Priceless Art in the 1.40 with Fallon in the hot seat. Bound For Glory looks a real banker too in the 1pm... At 8/11 you'd expect it to be.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 22, 2011, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 22, 2011, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: Candyman on November 22, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
DH, Sammy etc etc... Any Donkeys 2day?

You asking me!!!  :o DH is the man. Not a great looking days racing ahead Candy (as you'd expect on a Tuesday in November) but a winner is a winner if you can get 1. Endeavor at 13/2 could be a solid e/w 3.30 and there seems to be a bit of talk about Priceless Art in the 1.40 with Fallon in the hot seat. Bound For Glory looks a real banker too in the 1pm... At 8/11 you'd expect it to be.

Sammy me old china... a wee story:

I remember a few years ago, was a friday evening and you posted up a fancy of yours. You put it up at 16/1 or so, and I only saw it a few mins before the off!! Was in the local public house having the banter and just ran out the door to make sure I got on. I was with the brother of Spirit on here and he shouts after me to throw a fiver e/w on it for him. When I got in the fecking donkey was 33/1 but i said feck it and punted anyhow...

It won at 33's, I cleaned up, Spirits brother got a few bob... we said to feck with football training and went on the beer!!!

That buddy, is why I asked for your wisdom... we still talk about it to this day!! ;-)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 22, 2011, 12:34:30 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 22, 2011, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 22, 2011, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: Candyman on November 22, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
DH, Sammy etc etc... Any Donkeys 2day?

You asking me!!!  :o DH is the man. Not a great looking days racing ahead Candy (as you'd expect on a Tuesday in November) but a winner is a winner if you can get 1. Endeavor at 13/2 could be a solid e/w 3.30 and there seems to be a bit of talk about Priceless Art in the 1.40 with Fallon in the hot seat. Bound For Glory looks a real banker too in the 1pm... At 8/11 you'd expect it to be.

Sammy me old china... a wee story:

I remember a few years ago, was a friday evening and you posted up a fancy of yours. You put it up at 16/1 or so, and I only saw it a few mins before the off!! Was in the local public house having the banter and just ran out the door to make sure I got on. I was with the brother of Spirit on here and he shouts after me to throw a fiver e/w on it for him. When I got in the fecking donkey was 33/1 but i said feck it and punted anyhow...

It won at 33's, I cleaned up, Spirits brother got a few bob... we said to feck with football training and went on the beer!!!

That buddy, is why I asked for your wisdom... we still talk about it to this day!! ;-)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

That had to be at Dundalk??  ;) One of my infrequent moments of genius!  :D

Thats what keeps us coming back, those juicy winners blot out all the close misses  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 22, 2011, 01:06:07 PM
first of the treble up (and done single also) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 22, 2011, 01:20:09 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 22, 2011, 01:06:07 PM
first of the treble up (and done single also) ;)

happy days  ;D nice start to the afternoon... i'd be pretty surprised if Authentic Cat doesnt get into the places in the 2.30 at 5/1 as well as Drumshambo in the 2.50 at Lingfield, 13/2, so little e/w double on those too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2011, 01:34:58 AM
Sammy:
It was 5th March 2010 ( a friday afternoon)
"DONCASTER 3:10 MARES NH NOVICE 2m 3f 110yds
Diavoleria @ 14/1 (GP)
looks a decent e/w shot at the price"
Went from 16's out to 33's and beat McCoy on a 5/6 shot I think!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 23, 2011, 09:18:29 AM
That just might have been my last winner!!  :D to be fair, you must have had more on it than I  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 23, 2011, 10:03:20 AM
Charles Byrnes has sent 2 horses over to Wetherby,fists of fury in the 12.55 and sea of thunder in the 1.30,they're hardly just gone for a day out? ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 23, 2011, 12:01:19 PM
Fancy's for today

12.55 Fists of Fury
2.35 Volcan Surprise
2.45 Mister Green
3.05 Dawn Ride
7.05 Ocean Legend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 23, 2011, 09:20:16 PM
DH any word on when Twigline will running?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 24, 2011, 11:35:16 AM
Right Gents, get the Nags posted for the day ahead... Chrstmas is coming!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 11:35:38 AM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 23, 2011, 09:20:16 PM
DH any word on when Twigline will running?

I haven't heard or read anything. Maybe someone who has the stable tour from the RP handy will fill us in.

I'd be surprised if we see her this side of Christmas. Mullins always gives them plenty of time to come to hand, particularly fillies. Whether she'll be aimed at a bumper or will go novice hurdling, I don't know. The later she's out, the less likely they'll want to lose her maiden status over timber.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on November 24, 2011, 11:43:55 AM
Gamble on Oceans legend at Kempton last night landed!  :)  2nd big gamble in few weeks Carroll has produced!

Emma Lavelle's Kentford grey lady was fancied last time out but should get us off to a nice start in the 12.30 Newbury...



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 24, 2011, 12:28:30 PM
celtus 1-00 and barenger 3-50 newbury
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 24, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
Taunton 3.30 Thunder Child 7/2
Uttoxeter 3.40 Purcell's Bridge 3/1

trying an each way double on a couple of horses that should go close.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 24, 2011, 05:22:36 PM
For a bit of interest this evening in the last 4 races:

Apache Kid @ 4/1 (GP)
Desert Icon @ 11/2 (GP)
Mount Mcleod @ 7/2 (GP)
Numeral @ 4/1 (GP)

A wee lucky 15 and e/w accum for the craic...  ;D

(Probably all get stuffed)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 05:25:19 PM
Save it for Wymott in the Hennessy.

;)

Any stats perspective on the race Hardy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on November 24, 2011, 05:32:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 05:25:19 PM
Save it for Wymott in the Hennessy.

;)

Any stats perspective on the race Hardy?

I've hardly the house on it Sir, just for a wee bit of light entertainment on a dark evening  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 24, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
McCoy has a great shout in the 1st at Newbury tomorrow E/w  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 24, 2011, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 24, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
McCoy has a great shout in the 1st at Newbury tomorrow E/w  8) 8) 8)

McCoy is always a great shout, especially if you can get an e/w price on him  ;)

Dark & Dangerous the top weight in the 1pm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 24, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
Fancy it to overturn probably odds-on favorite by tomorrow 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
The maiden hurdle (last on the card) at Newbury tomorrow could be a seriously good race. Henderson always seems to introduce a good novice in it (Kid Cassidy won it last year) and he has a dual bumper winner in it. Hobbs has a horse who dotted up in a Chepstow bumper last month. I'm hoping their presence will mean Its A Gimme is available at an each way price. He was just touched off by Hazy Tom at Liverpool and he went on yesterday to win easily at Wetherby under a penalty.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 24, 2011, 07:53:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 05:25:19 PM
Save it for Wymott in the Hennessy.

;)

Any stats perspective on the race Hardy?

The stats are not really strong, DH, but for what they're worth, the favourite comes out top. Beshabar and Wayward Prince score next highest on my rating system.

Aiteen Thirtythree   26.12
Wayward Prince    23.08
Beshabar    22.88
Wymott     20.14
Great Endeavour  19.24
Michel Le Bon    18.88
Planet of Sound    18.72
Balthazar King    14.84
Qhilimar       13.88
Neptune Collonges     12.86
Sarando     9.88
Carruthers    9.58
Muirhead     9.58
Blazing Bailey      7.60
Fair Along      7.60
Billie Magern   6.84
The Giant Bolster   3.60
Tullamore Dew    3.60

Stats aside, it's not that easy to make cases for my top three so to comply with my system I'll just be doing a small Dutch with a little extra on the fav. because he's a few points ahead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 24, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
The maiden hurdle (last on the card) at Newbury tomorrow could be a seriously good race. Henderson always seems to introduce a good novice in it (Kid Cassidy won it last year) and he has a dual bumper winner in it. Hobbs has a horse who dotted up in a Chepstow bumper last month. I'm hoping their presence will mean Its A Gimme is available at an each way price. He was just touched off by Hazy Tom at Liverpool and he went on yesterday to win easily at Wetherby under a penalty.

mono man for me think it could be decent  :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 25, 2011, 11:07:07 AM
Sportingbet are offering money back if Aiteen Thirtythree wins the Hennessy.

http://www.sportingbet.com/roadtocheltenham/promotions.aspx?show=soID
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 25, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
Carribs Leap 8/1 in the 2.45 bet of the day for me

holy sh1t, useless...  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2011, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
The maiden hurdle (last on the card) at Newbury tomorrow could be a seriously good race. Henderson always seems to introduce a good novice in it (Kid Cassidy won it last year) and he has a dual bumper winner in it. Hobbs has a horse who dotted up in a Chepstow bumper last month. I'm hoping their presence will mean Its A Gimme is available at an each way price. He was just touched off by Hazy Tom at Liverpool and he went on yesterday to win easily at Wetherby under a penalty.

Plenty of winners waiting to happen in that maiden. Winner has a real nice attitude.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on November 25, 2011, 04:02:46 PM
what does this pay please (someone with bet calculator access)

40p each way lucky 15 -

4/1 - win
4/1 - win
5/2 - 2nd

thanks

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Link on November 25, 2011, 04:08:01 PM
Quote from: Clown on November 25, 2011, 04:02:46 PM
what does this pay please (someone with bet calculator access)

40p each way lucky 15 -

4/1 - win
4/1 - win
5/2 - 2nd

thanks

73.45
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 25, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
And good old Dh strikes again  ;D 9/2 earlier-happy days!Put a few quid of the winnings e/w on bucaneer bob at Dundalk,hope to keep the luck going  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 25, 2011, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: Clown on November 25, 2011, 04:02:46 PM
what does this pay please (someone with bet calculator access)

40p each way lucky 15 -

4/1 - win
4/1 - win
5/2 - 2nd

thanks

Giving quarter the odds for each race I work it out as £23.05.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Megaman on November 25, 2011, 04:39:50 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 25, 2011, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: Clown on November 25, 2011, 04:02:46 PM
what does this pay please (someone with bet calculator access)

40p each way lucky 15 -

4/1 - win
4/1 - win
5/2 - 2nd

thanks

Giving quarter the odds for each race I work it out as £23.05.

Total Stake: £ 12.00
Return: £ 23.05
Profit / Loss: £ 11.05
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on November 25, 2011, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2011, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
The maiden hurdle (last on the card) at Newbury tomorrow could be a seriously good race. Henderson always seems to introduce a good novice in it (Kid Cassidy won it last year) and he has a dual bumper winner in it. Hobbs has a horse who dotted up in a Chepstow bumper last month. I'm hoping their presence will mean Its A Gimme is available at an each way price. He was just touched off by Hazy Tom at Liverpool and he went on yesterday to win easily at Wetherby under a penalty.

Plenty of winners waiting to happen in that maiden. Winner has a real nice attitude.
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donnelly what was ur thoughs on geraghty at the last flight in that race proably talking tru pocket  here  ;D  but found it strange he didnt ask for a jump and was just letting him pop it considering he asked him the 3 flights befor that do ya think it was because a few have fell thas past couple of weeks < grandout/ oscar whiskey > come to mind when asked for 1 at the last . but then again the jump he got of bobs worth at the last  probably won hin the race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on November 25, 2011, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2011, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
The maiden hurdle (last on the card) at Newbury tomorrow could be a seriously good race. Henderson always seems to introduce a good novice in it (Kid Cassidy won it last year) and he has a dual bumper winner in it. Hobbs has a horse who dotted up in a Chepstow bumper last month. I'm hoping their presence will mean Its A Gimme is available at an each way price. He was just touched off by Hazy Tom at Liverpool and he went on yesterday to win easily at Wetherby under a penalty.

Plenty of winners waiting to happen in that maiden. Winner has a real nice attitude.

donnelly what was ur thoughs on geraghty at the last flight in that race proably talking tru pocket  here  ;D  but found it strange he didnt ask for a jump and was just letting him pop it considering he asked him the 3 flights befor that do ya think it was because a few have fell thas past couple of weeks < grandout/ oscar whiskey > come to mind when asked for 1 at the last . but then again the jump he got of bobs worth at the last  probably won hin the race

Just watched a quick replay there. He wasn't exactly meeting the hurdle on a good stride so there was a fairly good chance he would have ended up on the deck had Barry asked him for a big one. A more experienced horse would have been asked to lengthen into the flight but he was only having his first run over timber (no previous p2p experience either). Lack of a run this season probably didn't help him either - front two had both ran in October and were race fit.

Winner had plenty left in the tank and could easily have found another length or two IMO. He was lugging into the second a bit and looked fairly idle. Hobbs' horse is clearly useful but you probably won't see the best of him until he goes over further. Front three are all decent I'd say and will win a few novice events between them before the winter is out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 26, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
The Hennessy is a minefield. PP paying on 5th place. But think I'l leave it alone. In the Fighting Fifth I think Celestial Halo looks good value.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 27, 2011, 12:18:14 PM
I couldn't get on yesterday but i got tip for the winner of the Hennessy. :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 28, 2011, 04:10:25 PM
4:50 - Wolves – Frederickthegreat fancied, currently 2/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 28, 2011, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 28, 2011, 04:10:25 PM
4:50 - Wolves – Frederickthegreat fancied, currently 2/1

2nd.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 30, 2011, 10:13:25 AM
Tom Segal thinks the value in the King George lies with Kauto @ 5/1.

Boyles the only place online at the minute still offering the 5/1 though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2011, 10:59:42 AM
Cracking little novice hurdle at Sandown tomorrow - Fingal Bay, Simonsig, Sizing Symphony & Jump City.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on December 01, 2011, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2011, 10:59:42 AM
Cracking little novice hurdle at Sandown tomorrow - Fingal Bay, Simonsig, Sizing Symphony & Jump City.

And the winner will be...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2011, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 01, 2011, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2011, 10:59:42 AM
Cracking little novice hurdle at Sandown tomorrow - Fingal Bay, Simonsig, Sizing Symphony & Jump City.

And the winner will be...

I wouldn't like to call a winner of it. My hunch is that Simonsig will be the best of them by the end of the season. Will be waiting to see a betting market before deciding whether to have a punt or not (pity there's not another runner to make it the dead 8 for e/w purposes). Whoever wins it will be a warm order in the antepost markets.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 02, 2011, 03:37:51 PM
Fingal Bay looks the business on the back of that performance. Not sure we'll have a novice over here to match him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on December 02, 2011, 06:40:14 PM
Mid Mon Lady 9.25 Dundalk
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on December 02, 2011, 07:01:02 PM
Can't see past Sizing Europe in the Tingle Creek. All his best performances have been over 2m.

Didn't the Aintree meeting used to be on a sunday? Have been doing well in recent years in the 2 races over the national fences. Frankie Figg loves the fences and if, like last year, he can avoid that one stupid mistake he will win again. In the longer race i can't get away from Niche Market, who was going well in the national until the final half mile and who ran an absolute stormer against denman over 3m2 a few seasons back. He is due a decent win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 02, 2011, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on December 02, 2011, 06:40:14 PM
Mid Mon Lady 9.25 Dundalk

Heard that one myself and Byron Beauty also in the 8.30 so gonna chance an e/w double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on December 02, 2011, 11:20:06 PM
best novice hurdle of year at sandown today imo.

cant have sizing 2mrw but no idea what wins.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2011, 12:00:30 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on December 02, 2011, 11:20:06 PM
best novice hurdle of year at sandown today imo.

cant have sizing 2mrw but no idea what wins.

Can't have him myself either. Gruelling race over 3 miles last time out and the times suggested the ground at Sandown today was softer than the going description. Was happy enough to support Wishful Thinking each way before the withdrawals but the value in doing that has gone now. I'm not sure Kauto Stone is up to much. The race the last day was of the egg and spoon variety and I think the 'Kauto' factor is influencing the price. People choose to ignore that it also makes him a brother to Kauto Relko who has won the grand total of one race - a maiden hurdle down at Mallow.

Gigginstown should have their usual few winners at Fairyhouse tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing how the Mullins pair get on in particular - Sir Des Champs and Toostrong. Elsewhere, fancy Knight Pass and Drumbaloo e/w at Sandown. Realt Mor could be a good chasing recruit at Wetherby. Another strong looking maiden hurdle at Liverpool tomorrow. Keys (now with Henderson) and Cinders And Ashes clash for the first time since they fought out the finish to that good bumper at Cheltenham on New Year's Day. It's A Gimme could only manage 4th that day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on December 03, 2011, 11:19:37 AM
Kauto stone today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 03, 2011, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on December 02, 2011, 11:20:06 PM
best novice hurdle of year at sandown today imo.

cant have sizing 2mrw but no idea what wins.

Must say I think he's a cracking bet and am delighted with the 7/4 given that his major opposition according to the bookies is a Novice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2011, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 03, 2011, 01:31:33 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2011, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 04, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2011, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 03, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
I think Staying Article in the same yard is a horse with a lot more potential.

Where has this horse gone to?

I don't know why he didn't race after his maiden win last year but he was entered at Naas last weekend but didn't run because of the heavy ground. He has been bought by Thomas Barr over the summer.

Staying Article runs in the second race at Fairyhouse tomorrow.

Being punted off the boards since last night. Must be ready.
:)

;)

Edward likes to get his price....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 03, 2011, 04:00:23 PM
What about Carberry on Linnel? He is one cocky bastard. Will he ever learn his lesson?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 03, 2011, 07:03:22 PM
Had Linnel backed-just thought horse was unlucky,the bad jump took the steam out of him and then carberry still almost got him up,no problem with the ride!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 03, 2011, 07:07:20 PM
Defo not blame PC for that one, blunder at the last knocked the wind out of Linnel
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 03, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
and i got 13/2 and didn't do it e.w genius baron  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 03, 2011, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: beer baron on July 11, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
Robbie Mc Namara was in a pub a friend works in a few weeks back,apparently he was very sweet on Galileos choices chances at Galway.No clue what day or what race he's in but might be worth keeping an eye for!

Running in a novice hurdle tomorrow-7/2 at the min!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 04, 2011, 12:43:46 PM
Only 4 going to post in Hatton Grace... Pity. Voler la Vedette, first lieutenant and super ally in the half 3 look decent bets today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 04, 2011, 01:07:34 PM
Thought Galileos Choice was a little unlucky not to be closer there. He seemed to lose a few lengths on the bend having to pull wide to go around the two mares. I wonder how DK compares him to Waaheb?

I think Final Approach is overpriced in the Hattons Grace. Every chance it will turn into a tactical affair and any horse that wins a Schweppes and a County Hurdle must have plenty of tactical speed.

Also, why no RTÉ coverage? Feckin ATR off to Kelso or for an ad break every three mintues.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 04, 2011, 02:07:33 PM
Thought VLV done the job well. Still nothing near Hurricane Fly standard though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 04, 2011, 02:39:01 PM
Bog Warrior looks like a bit of a machine!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haze on December 04, 2011, 03:02:53 PM
Got a tip for Bog Warrior on Friday but totally forgot about it until I got the paper today at around 2. Thought it was a mistake when I read on  that he won by 31 lengths. What happened First Lieutenant?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 04, 2011, 03:06:51 PM
Quote from: haze on December 04, 2011, 03:02:53 PM
Got a tip for Bog Warrior on Friday but totally forgot about it until I got the paper today at around 2. Thought it was a mistake when I read on  that he won by 31 lengths. What happened First Lieutenant?

Belted the fence up by Ballyhack. Russell performed miracles to stay on board.

Gary O'Brien was saying afterwards that Mouse Morris reported that he had bled. Said he is hoping that it happened when he banged his head on the ground after the mistake. He'd have had to gone some to stop the winner anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 05, 2011, 11:44:10 AM
Some gamble landed on sat night at Wolverhampton by Paul Flynn!  :o

14s into 9/4....got on at 7/2 so at least got something.....xmas shillings sorted for that stable! lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2011, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on December 05, 2011, 11:44:10 AM
Some gamble landed on sat night at Wolverhampton by Paul Flynn!  :o

14s into 9/4....got on at 7/2 so at least got something.....xmas shillings sorted for that stable! lol

Cracking young trainer. Looked at one stage to be destined for the top as a jockey but didn't really work out for him. Always follow his raiders in England.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on December 05, 2011, 06:56:24 PM
12.00 southwell, takajan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 06, 2011, 09:51:09 AM
The worker,

Tip or fancy? See SDS' on board!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 06, 2011, 09:55:18 AM
got to love these 5/2 fav tips ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on December 06, 2011, 10:14:17 AM
Spirit I'd take them all day long if they come in.. Unlike some of ur big price "tips" ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 06, 2011, 10:36:18 AM
You beat me to it Candyman!  :D

Could pay for staff xmas do drinks!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on December 06, 2011, 10:59:26 AM
I've backed well marked in the same race ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 06, 2011, 12:06:29 PM
Oh dear! >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 06, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
drifted to 7s after I backed it, ah well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 07, 2011, 04:50:28 PM
Prob won't be of interest to Real Spirit ;)..... but seems to be word for Amber Heights 5.20 kempton 9/4 or so currently
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 07, 2011, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on December 07, 2011, 04:50:28 PM
Prob won't be of interest to Real Spirit ;)..... but seems to be word for Amber Heights 5.20 kempton 9/4 or so currently

bate by a head by the even money fav... unlucky
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 07, 2011, 05:56:40 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on December 07, 2011, 04:50:28 PM
Prob won't be of interest to Real Spirit ;)..... but seems to be word for Amber Heights 5.20 kempton 9/4 or so currently

He'd be right.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 08, 2011, 01:53:14 PM
Pigeon Island would be worth a flutter in the 2.40   e/w round 10/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 08, 2011, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 08, 2011, 01:53:14 PM
Pigeon Island would be worth a flutter in the 2.40   e/w round 10/1

Good shout Sammy. Ran well, looked the possible winner 3 or 4 out but didn't stay. Nice 3rd at 14/1 I think?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 08, 2011, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 08, 2011, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 08, 2011, 01:53:14 PM
Pigeon Island would be worth a flutter in the 2.40   e/w round 10/1

Good shout Sammy. Ran well, looked the possible winner 3 or 4 out but didn't stay. Nice 3rd at 14/1 I think?

got a good run for my money, shame it ran out of puff so one to keep an eye on for sure and nice e/w price
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 09, 2011, 09:24:18 AM
Anything today fella's that may provide funds for xmas do?!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on December 09, 2011, 10:14:06 AM
Denman retired.  Can't bet now just on name.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 09, 2011, 10:17:36 AM
Not a tip by any stretch but i like the look of Golden Gael 2nd race Cheltenham. Trainer has a great strike rate, although he has another one in the same race but that means nothing to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 09, 2011, 10:53:30 AM
Like Nicholls horse in that one maddog...good luck!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on December 09, 2011, 12:55:55 PM
I'm considering a punt today.

In the 1.45 at cheltenham, i used the process of elimination to come up with shakalakaboomboom

In the cross country i think Garde Champetre [WITHOUT NINA CARBERRY ON BOARD] looks overpriced but at the weights double dizzy at 14/1 looks like a decent ew run for your money
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RGU08 on December 09, 2011, 01:25:50 PM
Folks, I done a lucky 15 with Paddy Power online, one of them is a none runner now, can i change the bet (pick another horse) or does it just go as a treble?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 09, 2011, 02:10:46 PM
RGU08,

Could be wrong but think it goes onto be a trixie bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RGU08 on December 09, 2011, 02:22:26 PM
Cheers Oak Leafer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on December 09, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
WHAT A f**king MESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(still had the winner though e/w)  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on December 09, 2011, 02:30:20 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on December 09, 2011, 01:25:50 PM
Folks, I done a lucky 15 with Paddy Power online, one of them is a none runner now, can i change the bet (pick another horse) or does it just go as a treble?

You can't change it no. You will get your single stake back, then your doubles involving that horse become singles, the trebles involving it become doubles and the quad is a treble basically.

Cross country race was a farce there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on December 09, 2011, 02:35:57 PM
Wow - boy, did i get lucky. Am stunned
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 09, 2011, 03:11:53 PM
Had a tip for today, but never got time to post it on here, nor back it myself.

All I and you can see is...... PHEEEWWWW.

Ice Factor beat.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 09, 2011, 03:26:31 PM
It not that a wont back shorties lads because i have and will do, but I just laugh when the paper fav is posted up here as a tip
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 09, 2011, 04:00:34 PM
Balthazar King making headway
Scotsirish making headway
Uncle Junior making headway
EVERYTHING HAS GONE THE WRONG WAY, disaster rounding the home turn
Chamirey & Garde Champetre have taken the correct course
  :(  :o  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on December 09, 2011, 04:17:52 PM
That Cross country cost me doe! :'( >:( :'( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 09, 2011, 08:37:03 PM
Never posted a tip in my life but was told to back Kavanagh (Davy Condon/Noel Meade) this evening in the last at Dundalk
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on December 09, 2011, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 09, 2011, 03:26:31 PM
It not that a wont back shorties lads because i have and will do, but I just laugh when the paper fav is posted up here as a tip

They dont always win though so if someone has inside info on a paper favourite there is no harm in posting it up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 09, 2011, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 09, 2011, 08:37:03 PM
Never posted a tip in my life but was told to back Kavanagh (Davy Condon/Noel Meade) this evening in the last at Dundalk

Was gonna back Smullen in that race but Meade is shrewd so I'm on

Not to worry, wouldn't have backed the fav anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on December 10, 2011, 10:56:29 AM
bishops walk 3-25 navan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on December 10, 2011, 10:56:29 AM
bishops walk 3-25 navan

+1

Been waiting to see this horse for over a year since his one run for Timmy Hyde.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on December 10, 2011, 05:33:06 PM
disappointing but really had no assistance from jockey he is a clown whick made me not lose so much on him but i said befor im never backing him on a horse again and by god i mean it this time  that will be the last  time
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 10, 2011, 06:02:44 PM
Ah JP is alright!

Some of his inspiring efforts on Rhinestone Cowboy are still fresh in the memory.

I see Wandering Angus is out tomorrow. He beat Cheltenian on his only previous start. Big day too for Rubi Light. Looks like he'll take all the beating in the Durkan.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 10, 2011, 07:34:42 PM
Been for wandering Aengus to run again after he ruined my bet on Cheltenian last year  :'(  I'd say the bookies will be taking no chances with his price!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2011, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 09, 2011, 03:26:31 PM
It not that a wont back shorties lads because i have and will do, but I just laugh when the paper fav is posted up here as a tip

To be fair that's why I was in no panic to back Ice Factor. 6/4 would have made it hardly worth my while.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 11, 2011, 01:50:07 PM
The next race at Punchestown should be interesting (2:05) all the tipsters are going for Rubi Light but i've a we liking for Joncol (not a tip ;))
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on December 11, 2011, 02:14:55 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 11, 2011, 01:50:07 PM
The next race at Punchestown should be interesting (2:05) all the tipsters are going for Rubi Light but i've a we liking for Joncol (not a tip ;))

Based on your advice I went for Rubi Light. Cheers.  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2011, 04:48:25 PM
Surprised he's such a big price for the Lexus after that win. I thought it was a serious performance. He could well be a Gold Cup horse. He's definitely the most interesting of the Irish trained horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Groucho on December 11, 2011, 08:34:24 PM
What can i say about Carberry.......cost me Xmas today....fcker :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 11, 2011, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: Groucho on December 11, 2011, 08:34:24 PM
What can i say about Carberry.......cost me Xmas today....fcker :'(

Dylan Ross?Felt he could've won myself but i had it backed as well so wouldn't exactly be unbiased!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 11, 2011, 10:05:57 PM
I wouldn't be underestimating Culloty's horse. He has a lot less experience than Dylan Ross but looks tough out and was always holding him. Dylan Ross looks like another of Meade's early season novice hurdlers. They look like superstars beating rubbish in maidens but once the big yards get their better ones out coming up to Christmas, a lot of them fall by the wayside. That said, Corbally Ghost won a strong looking race down at Mallow today. Sword Of Destiny should have his mettle tested next Sunday if he takes on Mount Benbulben.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 11, 2011, 10:56:27 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on December 11, 2011, 02:14:55 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 11, 2011, 01:50:07 PM
The next race at Punchestown should be interesting (2:05) all the tipsters are going for Rubi Light but i've a we liking for Joncol (not a tip ;))

Based on your advice I went for Rubi Light. Cheers.  :P

Good lad...anyone gets a few quid of the bookie is deserved...glad u didn't do my fancy, just sums up the year i had :-X
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 12, 2011, 07:12:39 PM
Waley-Cohen  :D

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=FKN_2011_12_12_03_1400 (http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=FKN_2011_12_12_03_1400)

If anybody actually believes his 'excuse' than they need their heads seeing to. Clearly went to ride the horse out after what he thought was the last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on December 12, 2011, 08:32:45 PM
Did himself no favours with that excuse.

Quote from his father ...

Robert Waley-Cohen added: "It's a huge relief and I'm thrilled for him to be able to show what he's made of."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 13, 2011, 11:24:17 AM
He should have had the balls to come out and admit to his mistake. Pathetic really.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2011, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Darroun: Aga Khan bred winner on the flat in France. Now with Willie Mullins.

Out tomorrow at Gowran Park. Looks a hot little juvenile hurdle on paper for this time of year though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 14, 2011, 08:05:19 PM
Bejaysus something's been done about race fixing  :o http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/horse_racing/16186624.stm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
The game will always be bent as long as the bookmakers have it by the balls.

Irish racing is in a fairly pathetic state but the game at a low level in the UK is in dire straits. The French have properly run racing but the French public have no interest in it. Irish racing has the potential to be the best in the world given the strength of our bloodstock industry and the quality of our horsemen and women but there's too many vested interests.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 14, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
The game will always be bent as long as the bookmakers have it by the balls.

Irish racing is in a fairly pathetic state but the game at a low level in the UK is in dire straits. The French have properly run racing but the French public have no interest in it. Irish racing has the potential to be the best in the world given the strength of our bloodstock industry and the quality of our horsemen and women but there's too many vested interests.

I think I remember you saying that you'd advocate a tote-only system DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2011, 10:53:56 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 14, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
The game will always be bent as long as the bookmakers have it by the balls.

Irish racing is in a fairly pathetic state but the game at a low level in the UK is in dire straits. The French have properly run racing but the French public have no interest in it. Irish racing has the potential to be the best in the world given the strength of our bloodstock industry and the quality of our horsemen and women but there's too many vested interests.

I think I remember you saying that you'd advocate a tote-only system DH?

Definitely TAM.

Only way to do it IMO but it should have been done 20 or 30 years ago. The bookmakers are too powerful now. Despite all his xenophobic ramblings re So You Think over the summer, Bart Cummings was absolutely spot on about the influence bookmakers have over racing in these isles. They have no interest in supporting a quality product because enough mugs will punt on any old betting shop fodder. The lower quality the better as far as they're concerned. They wouldn't contribute a single cent to the levy if they could get away with it. All of the online business is registered either in Gibraltar or the Isle of Man. Kieren Fallon (of all people!) said in a newspaper interview a few years ago that Ireland would have the best racing in the world, if it wasn't for the bookmakers holding it back.

The French have excellent prize-money because of the money that the PMU ploughs back into racing. Our prize-money levels are one relatively positive thing about Irish racing at the moment, but that's bound to be hit with a reduction in government funding and less contributions from the bookmakers. In the UK, apart from at the very highest level, they race for absolute peanuts - on the main card across the water tomorrow at Exeter, they'll race for: £4,000, £8,500, £20,000, £9,000 £6,500, £4,000. Compare that to a very moderate card at Gowran Park: €13,000, €10,000, €13,000, €10,000, €10,000, €10,000, €8,001. Is it any wonder there's so much skulduggery going on when winning a race would barely cover two months training fees? They recently sold off the Tote in the UK to Betfred yet they seem to care more about the 0.001% of horses that are marked every year by the whip. The whole thing beggars belief.

Irish racing could be self sufficient if there was a Tote monopoly. The fact that the Tote doesn't even have a presence on the high street on this island is a shocking indictment of those over the industry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 14, 2011, 11:46:38 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2011, 10:53:56 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 14, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
The game will always be bent as long as the bookmakers have it by the balls.

Irish racing is in a fairly pathetic state but the game at a low level in the UK is in dire straits. The French have properly run racing but the French public have no interest in it. Irish racing has the potential to be the best in the world given the strength of our bloodstock industry and the quality of our horsemen and women but there's too many vested interests.

I think I remember you saying that you'd advocate a tote-only system DH?

Definitely TAM.

Only way to do it IMO but it should have been done 20 or 30 years ago. The bookmakers are too powerful now. Despite all his xenophobic ramblings re So You Think over the summer, Bart Cummings was absolutely spot on about the influence bookmakers have over racing in these isles. They have no interest in supporting a quality product because enough mugs will punt on any old betting shop fodder. The lower quality the better as far as they're concerned. They wouldn't contribute a single cent to the levy if they could get away with it. All of the online business is registered either in Gibraltar or the Isle of Man. Kieren Fallon (of all people!) said in a newspaper interview a few years ago that Ireland would have the best racing in the world, if it wasn't for the bookmakers holding it back.

The French have excellent prize-money because of the money that the PMU ploughs back into racing. Our prize-money levels are one relatively positive thing about Irish racing at the moment, but that's bound to be hit with a reduction in government funding and less contributions from the bookmakers. In the UK, apart from at the very highest level, they race for absolute peanuts - on the main card across the water tomorrow at Exeter, they'll race for: £4,000, £8,500, £20,000, £9,000 £6,500, £4,000. Compare that to a very moderate card at Gowran Park: €13,000, €10,000, €13,000, €10,000, €10,000, €10,000, €8,001. Is it any wonder there's so much skulduggery going on when winning a race would barely cover two months training fees? They recently sold off the Tote in the UK to Betfred yet they seem to care more about the 0.001% of horses that are marked every year by the whip. The whole thing beggars belief.

Irish racing could be self sufficient if there was a Tote monopoly. The fact that the Tote doesn't even have a presence on the high street on this island is a shocking indictment of those over the industry.

https://www.britishhorseracing.presscentre.com/Press-Releases/Result-and-Reasons-of-Disciplinary-Panel-regarding-Sines-Crickmore-Doe-Fairley-Quinn-Milczarek-Fitzsimons-et-al-249.aspx

The use of Betfair records, analysis of the races, statements from the jockeys and telephone records all used to jigsaw together a picture.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on December 15, 2011, 02:35:24 PM
3.40 Towcester

Queen of Mantua e/w

Do not know the source so do with this as you wish...

Currently at 20's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on December 15, 2011, 03:47:50 PM
kick that source up the whole!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on December 15, 2011, 10:59:01 PM
5th... But read back, I'd slap them silly if I knew who they were ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 16, 2011, 08:52:52 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 14, 2011, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Darroun: Aga Khan bred winner on the flat in France. Now with Willie Mullins.

Out tomorrow at Gowran Park. Looks a hot little juvenile hurdle on paper for this time of year though.

What happened he didn't run?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 16, 2011, 09:33:27 AM
Interesting that mccoy has a right book of rides at Uttoxeter rather than Ascot today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 16, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
Hazy Tom appears to be 1 of the top novice hurdlers about,he's at Ascot today and i'll be having a decent bet on him he laughed at sea of thunder a few weeks back who would've won at Cheltenham at the weekend but for falling at the last,it's a gimme who he has also beaten has won since as has colour squadron who was 2nd that day,i'm going to put him in a small double with Kumbeshawar in the Novice chase as well-he was only about 2 lengths behind Zarkander at Aintree last year so obviously has ability and i was quite impressed with him 1st time over fences,granted he wasn't beating much but he jumped beautifully that day bar 1 mistake and i think he could win today!

Watch as the 2 of them pull up now!  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 16, 2011, 12:37:14 PM
Hazy Tom looks a proper horse. Gave that good bumper horse of Rebecca Curtis a right beating a few runs back. His form with It's A Gimme at Liverpool has also received several boosts since. I'm not convinced Molotof is up to much to be honest.

Also having an interest in Claret Cloak in the bumper. Won a poor bumper at Wincanton but the way he did it was fairly jaw dropping. Made up a savage amount of ground on turning in and then was green as the grass once he hit the front:

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,469081,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,469081,00.html)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on December 16, 2011, 01:08:35 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 16, 2011, 12:37:14 PM
Hazy Tom looks a proper horse. Gave that good bumper horse of Rebecca Curtis a right beating a few runs back. His form with It's A Gimme at Liverpool has also received several boosts since. I'm not convinced Molotof is up to much to be honest.

Also having an interest in Claret Cloak in the bumper. Won a poor bumper at Wincanton but the way he did it was fairly jaw dropping. Made up a savage amount of ground on turning in and then was green as the grass once he hit the front:

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,469081,00.html (http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,469081,00.html)

At evs and 2/1 i've a generous double done with PP there.... DH set me up nicely for xmas theres a good chap!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 16, 2011, 03:12:40 PM
Bad day for the Baron!Hopefully this boy in the bumper will save me Dh!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 16, 2011, 03:44:37 PM
 >:(

Don't know how that lad gets so many good rides.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 17, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
Backed that carrington brook, did you ever see a horse stop like that on a run in and still win ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 19, 2011, 12:20:37 PM
WEST BRIT @ 12.30 - told there was nothing in the race that would beat it. Evens at the moment.

shocking bit of info, f*#king pulled up  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 19, 2011, 03:43:21 PM
Fancy MacTiernan E/W 3.50 Wolves
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 19, 2011, 04:06:18 PM
lol Oh dear! :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Some of the biggest meetings in the racing calendar only a week away and the lead headline on the RP and SL websites is about some lad called Rooney who has bought a yearling  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on December 19, 2011, 10:40:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Some of the biggest meetings in the racing calendar only a week away and the lead headline on the RP and SL websites is about some lad called Rooney who has bought a yearling  ::)

Heading down to leopardstown on boxing day, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2011, 11:13:13 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on December 19, 2011, 10:40:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Some of the biggest meetings in the racing calendar only a week away and the lead headline on the RP and SL websites is about some lad called Rooney who has bought a yearling  ::)

Heading down to leopardstown on boxing day, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hard to pick a lot out until the final decs are through. Bog Warrior will be a warm order in the big race and very hard to see him getting beat on his Fairyhouse demolition job. Doubt he'll be much of a price though. The other feature on the card looks quite trappy as is often the case with juvenile hurdles in Ireland. Interesting to see if DK's horse takes his chance.

The maiden hurdles both look competitve and there's bound to be a few big reputations in the bumper. I've heard very positive reports about On Your Eoin (smashed Clondaw Warrior in a p2p) and particularly Champagne Fever who is the talking horse from Closutton this winter. Murphy also has an unraced Gigginstown horse (by Westerner out of a Roselier mare) called Empire Of Dirt. Went for €350k as a 3yo.
Title: Seán an Airgid
Post by: drici on December 20, 2011, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2011, 11:13:13 PM

Murphy also has an unraced Gigginstown horse (by Westerner out of a Roselier mare) called Empire Of Dirt.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=SmVAWKfJ4Go&gl=US
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on December 20, 2011, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 19, 2011, 11:13:13 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on December 19, 2011, 10:40:31 PM
Heading down to leopardstown on boxing day, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hard to pick a lot out until the final decs are through. Bog Warrior will be a warm order in the big race and very hard to see him getting beat on his Fairyhouse demolition job. Doubt he'll be much of a price though. The other feature on the card looks quite trappy as is often the case with juvenile hurdles in Ireland. Interesting to see if DK's horse takes his chance.

The maiden hurdles both look competitve and there's bound to be a few big reputations in the bumper. I've heard very positive reports about On Your Eoin (smashed Clondaw Warrior in a p2p) and particularly Champagne Fever who is the talking horse from Closutton this winter. Murphy also has an unraced Gigginstown horse (by Westerner out of a Roselier mare) called Empire Of Dirt. Went for €350k as a 3yo.

Cheers for the DH. Gives me some food for thought.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RGU08 on December 20, 2011, 04:42:47 PM
Beggers Belief - last race @ Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on December 23, 2011, 12:48:52 PM
Any festive fancies tonight at Dundalk lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on December 23, 2011, 02:51:35 PM
Heading to Leopardstown  on Tuesday anyone have any fancies or inside information on what to back?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 24, 2011, 08:32:33 AM
Michael O'Brien passed away yesterday.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 24, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
i've done a few for st stephen's day

blackstairmountain 5/1 ew 14.20 (very tentative selection, bog warrior looked a machine last time out but over the minimum trip mightn't be able to do them for speed like he did last time)
donnas palm 11/4 14.55 leopardstown - nap

sarando 13.55 wetherby 7/1 ew

bobs worth 14.00 kempton 9/4
captain chris in the king george but will definitely be cheering kauto home
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 24, 2011, 01:23:53 PM
I'd have no worries about Bog Warrior back down in trip. The time he clocked in his beginners chase at Navan compared very favourably to Big Zeb's time in the Fortria on the same card. BSM is talented but he's a bit of a monkey. Wouldn't surprise me if he came there swinging only to down tools after the last. Maybe chasing will make a man of him but he's not exactly bred for it. If Bog Warrior is over his Fairyhouse exertions, he'll win easily.

I'm tempted to do an across the cards Gigginstown double with Sir Des Champs but my fear is that Emmet Mullins won't ride him positively enough. With Four Commanders in the race, logic dictates that he'd sit on his tail like Last Instalment did at Punchestown. The horse got him out of trouble at Cheltenham and he was at the same craic with Golden Silver down at Mallow recently who was beat only for that Tony Martin horse to fall at the last.

I'm leaving the Kempton card alone bar a small e/w antepost wager I have running on Captain Chris. I like Bobs Worth, should beat the Nicholls horse on a line through Cue Card, and I'm not certain Grand Cru is the monster that some make him out to be. I'd have hoped for a better price than 9/4 though so I'll probably leave it alone. The Christmas Hurdle looks a woefully poor renewal. None of those horses would land a blow in the Leopardstown equivalent.

The big talking horse tomorrow is sure to be Champagne Agent. Hosed up in a p2p (form isn't up to much tbh) and impressed in a recent schooling bumper. All the talk has been about this animal recently and it will be interesting to see if they smash into him tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haze on December 26, 2011, 03:29:14 PM
How special is Kauto.... That performance was a shiver down the spine moment for horse racing fans
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on December 26, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
Have to agree, what a very special horse, jumped like a stag. That's what national hunt racing is all about for me.

Was very impressed by Grand Crus.

Missed the Irish racing, what happened bog warrior ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2011, 05:04:33 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on December 26, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
Have to agree, what a very special horse, jumped like a stag. That's what national hunt racing is all about for me.

Was very impressed by Grand Crus.

Missed the Irish racing, what happened bog warrior ?


Took a tumble 5 or 6 fences in. Spoiled my doubkle with Grands Crus. The perils of backing short priced novices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
Novicey sort of fall from Bog Warrior. Surprised that Davy tried to get a lead considering how well he went when Ruby let him go at Fairyhouse. He pecked at the first as well. Hopefully no long term damage done. Good to see BSM going through with his effort but Notus De La Tour wouldn't be in the top 5 English novices so our crop might not be the strongest over two miles anyway. Martin gained compensation in the bumper and I'd be following the first four home in that race. Looked a serious contest. Winner could be a Cheltenham horse.

Got to take a slice of humble pie when it comes to Grand Cru. That was a very taking performance. Doubt any of the Christmas Hurdle principals will be causing Mullins any sleepless nights. Kauto Star, what more can you say. Great to see Waley-Cohen get his comeuppance after his shameful antics at Fakenham. Walsh on the other hand is simply imperious. The greatest horseman we're ever likely to see.

Good cards on both sides of the water tomorrow. The novice chase at Kempton will decide who goes off favourite for the Arkle. I'll be rooting for Peddlers Cross but I'm not sure yet whether I'll back him at a speed track like Kempton. Ground at Leopardstown seems to be riding quite quick so I wouldn't be quick to steam into some of the shorties tomorrow. Big Zeb will be fine on it but I'll be giving the novice hurdle a swerve. Tom Taaffe has a horse for Fitri Hay running in a maiden hurdle down at Limerick. He has some serious form on the flat with the likes of Await The Dawn and could be a useful recruit to timber.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 27, 2011, 01:45:29 PM
Horrible fall by Golden Silver, fearing the worst but hopefully it can get up
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2011, 01:48:08 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 27, 2011, 01:45:29 PM
Horrible fall by Golden Silver, fearing the worst but hopefully it can get up

Horse was dead by the time the rest of the field got to the next fence. Horrific fall. One of the worst I've seen. Thankfully Townend was able to walk away.

Sprinter Sacre  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 27, 2011, 01:53:29 PM
Le Beau Bai narrowly leads the stats for the Welsh national


Le Beau Bai     23.11
Carruthers      20.88
Giles Cross    20.87
Galaxy Rock    20.71
Blazing Bailey   20.69
Cappa Bleu       20.69
Viking Blond     19.88
As De Fer       19.69
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2011, 02:05:35 PM
Has Waaheb vanished off the face of the earth?

He laughed at that Cash And Go in the McManus bumper at Limerick last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 27, 2011, 01:53:29 PM
Le Beau Bai narrowly leads the stats for the Welsh national


Le Beau Bai     23.11
Carruthers      20.88
Giles Cross    20.87
Galaxy Rock    20.71
Blazing Bailey   20.69
Cappa Bleu       20.69
Viking Blond     19.88
As De Fer       19.69

Well done Hardy. Anything for the Paddy Power?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 27, 2011, 03:33:11 PM
Didn't get a chance to look at the Paddy Power, DH. Probably just as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2011, 04:06:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 27, 2011, 03:33:11 PM
Didn't get a chance to look at the Paddy Power, DH. Probably just as well.

Definitely. I think the ground is throwing a lot of people . How that French horse of Mullins' was odds on, I don't know.

If it is riding as good as they're all saying then surely Rubi Light will go off a lot shorter than 3/1 tomorrow. Both Joncol and Quito De La Roque are proven mudlarks. RL handled a decent surface at Cheltenham when third in the Ryanair and the quicker ground will also help him to get this trip. First Lieutenant will also go well on this ground but I wouldn't say Last Instalment will be in love with it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on December 28, 2011, 02:34:14 PM
Fella has a £59 million liability on Voler La Vedette on Betfair here.

Fella I know trades in running stands to win 60k if it is paid.

They were laying 28/1 on it the whole way round, even when it hit the front.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 28, 2011, 02:52:27 PM
Holy god-i wouldn't have backed synchronized if i could've picked 4 in the race!Tom Segal tipped it up and we're supposed to believe he gets no inside info-yeah i believe ya  Tom  ::)!
Had last Instalment earlier,decided after his last run i'd follow him until he lost and glad i did-backed him at 2/1 B.O.G and went out to 11/4,happy days  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on December 28, 2011, 03:20:01 PM
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/punters-left-in-dark-over-betfair-mystery/968454/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 28, 2011, 03:32:59 PM
Punters' graveyard at Leopardstown this week. Synchronised putting our chasers to shame says it all. For all the good sires and broodmares we have in this country, that we haven't manage to produce a realistic Gold Cup challenger since the days of War Of Attrition and Kicking King is poor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 28, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
Why is that DH?? No top class chasers to talk about for years and the Irish racing fraternity have almost all other codes well and truly mastered
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 28, 2011, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 28, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
Why is that DH?? No top class chasers to talk about for years and the Irish racing fraternity have almost all other codes well and truly mastered

No idea. It's not as if French breds are totally dominating either when you consider that the likes of Best Mate, Denman and Imperial Commander all came from the p2p field. Plenty of horses have fallen by the wayside in recent years. Both Kicking King and War Of Attrition were both injured at 7 after they had won Gold Cups. Neither were near their peak. Obviously Weapons Amnesty could have been anything but I doubt we'll see him again. Cooldine looked the business when he won at Cheltenham but that run must have emptied him because he hasn't won a single race since.

O'Leary and Mullins are going to be the only shows in town as long as the economy is in the pits.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 28, 2011, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 28, 2011, 03:20:01 PM
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/punters-left-in-dark-over-betfair-mystery/968454/

Does anybody know what went on here ?.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 28, 2011, 05:38:06 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 28, 2011, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 28, 2011, 03:20:01 PM
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/punters-left-in-dark-over-betfair-mystery/968454/

Does anybody know what went on here ?.

Betfair don't know themselves. Quite funny and great PR for them
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on December 28, 2011, 06:12:19 PM
They voided the market.

Not really great PR for them, their share prices have dropped and everything.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BET.L

Lot of angry punters. The fella I know has had to pay out on his own mistakes before. He has Newsline coming to see him in the next hour too, should be funny.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/leopardstown-voler-la-vedette-betfair-void-in-running-bets-after-voler-fiasco/968454/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 28, 2011, 07:21:40 PM
Struggled for winners but thought it was a great day out in Leopardstown today. Thought Rubi Light might have the beating of Quito but unfortunately I hadn't accounted for Synchronised. Surprised Mourad didn't have the stamina to outstay Murphy's mare and it would seem unlikely that there is an RSA in First Lieutenant
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 28, 2011, 10:11:20 PM
Of course it's great PR for them Don, everyone was talkin about Betfair today and it will be forgotten about when the racing kicks off tomorrow.

Gonna head down there tomorrow, card not as good as today's was but still looks like a great day's racing. Can't see Oscars Wells improve enough to trouble the top 3 in the market for the Christmas Hurdle and Unaccompanied might spring a little surprise on the all conquering Mullins. Jessie doesn't seem to have her stable wound up at all at the moment.

Couple of others that I have my card marked for are Imperial Shabra for Brady in the opener and Acapulco. The mares hurdle and the bumper are small stakes for me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 28, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
Sammy, I certainly wouldn't say it's great PR for Betfair. A lot of questions still unanswered from today's fiasco and people's confidence in Betfair's service will not be high this evening. It might be forgotten about by the start of tomorrow's racing for you and me, but those who's custom Betfair value most will not forget too quick.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on December 28, 2011, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 28, 2011, 10:11:20 PM
Of course it's great PR for them Don, everyone was talkin about Betfair today and it will be forgotten about when the racing kicks off tomorrow.

Gonna head down there tomorrow, card not as good as today's was but still looks like a great day's racing. Can't see Oscars Wells improve enough to trouble the top 3 in the market for the Christmas Hurdle and Unaccompanied might spring a little surprise on the all conquering Mullins. Jessie doesn't seem to have her stable wound up at all at the moment.

Couple of others that I have my card marked for are Imperial Shabra for Brady in the opener and Acapulco. The mares hurdle and the bumper are small stakes for me

Have a look at the Betfair forums if you think it is good PR for them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 29, 2011, 08:57:05 AM
Lads believe me, there is no such thing as bad press.  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 29, 2011, 10:44:49 AM
When the world's biggest betting exchange allowed a customer a virtual liability of over half a billion pounds, then it's not good !!

Half a billion pounds floating onto the betting exchange when it dosen't even exist. The number involved is so unimaginably large, that is the amusing thing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2011, 12:48:48 PM
Betfair's credibility has taken several knocks in recent times but yesterday was just farcical. How could anyone have confidence in the in-running markets?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 29, 2011, 01:12:57 PM
Can't agree DH.

There is no such thing as free money in this world and any punter who feels a sense of entitlement from spotting an obvious technical glitch (a constant 28/1 about the best horse in the field) should really get out out of this game.

If a technical glitch saw punters not getting paid out for a fair win,  Betfair would be rightly billeted with fixing the issue in good faith. I don't see why the opposite should not apply when the roles are reversed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
I don't bet in-running anymore myself so I have a fairly open mind on the whole thing, but why was the market not suspended midway through the race when it was clear that something was up. The mare was settled comfortably off a fairly sedate gallop, she was jumping well and nothing had appeared to have gone wrong - saddle slipping, weight cloth falling off etc. Why didn't Betfair suspend the market like they have done in-running on numerous races before? Surely there is someone monitoring these markets to ensure that situations like this one do not arise.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 29, 2011, 01:29:22 PM
What about those who layed Mourad pre-race and backed him after a mile to lock in profit? Back bet void, lay bet stands. Several other scenarios like this where punters have unfairly lost their money. Even those who backed Voler La Vedette after 4 furlongs at reasonable odds only get their stake back.

But it's the punters with automated systems backing and laying hundreds of times a second who've lost big time. VLV was 12/1 on the run-in on Betdaq. So picture this, someone's automated system sees 12/1 on Betdaq and 28/1 on Betfair. Who does it do? Lay, lay, lay the 12/1 and back, back back the 28/1. Only problem is the back bets are void, and the lay bets stand.

What yesterday's glitch has shown is just how much control computer software has on the in-running markets. Mourad was 1.03 and 1.04 once the 28/1 appeared - because of all the software controlling the market.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 29, 2011, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
I don't bet in-running anymore myself so I have a fairly open mind on the whole thing, but why was the market not suspended midway through the race when it was clear that something was up. The mare was settled comfortably off a fairly sedate gallop, she was jumping well and nothing had appeared to have gone wrong - saddle slipping, weight cloth falling off etc. Why didn't Betfair suspend the market like they have done in-running on numerous races before? Surely there is someone monitoring these markets to ensure that situations like this one do not arise.

I can only presume those monitoring the market genuinely thought the lay was real.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2011, 02:21:56 PM
Ted is palpitating watching that ride from Paul Townend!

Great piece of training from DK. Thousand Stars definitely looks like he needs further.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 29, 2011, 04:55:01 PM
In fairness it was a great ride, Ruby had to come out and round. Glad I had Unaccompanied backed
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 30, 2011, 07:18:00 PM
mikael dhaguenet and fingal bay double, both around 1/2 and cue card 3/1 will be bets tomorrow. hope mikael can get his form back up to the high level over hurdles he looked capable of
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 31, 2011, 05:18:43 PM
tranquil sea at tramore 6/4 estimated price, ghizao 11/2 ew and oscar whisky 1/2 at cheltenham tomorrow. very weak opposition against oscar whisky in the 2m4f hurdle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on December 31, 2011, 07:04:33 PM
3 out of 3 greatest jockey, nice picking - alas, i opted to take cue card on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 01, 2012, 05:23:45 PM
How did Oscar Whiskey go off at 4/6? Stones in hand on the book.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on January 01, 2012, 05:39:37 PM
sum price for hom  ;D empire of dirt didnt run up to his price tag anyhow the word befor the race was he was slow enough and will need a trip sum money for the fav 7/2 in places this morning into 5/4
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 03, 2012, 09:10:38 PM
anything of interest antepost for cheltenham dh?

balinroab who won a decent p2p past april, clondaw warrior in third that day running his second race for jonjo o'neill tomorrow at southwell 3.10. should be a decent price although he looked far from an easy ride fto for jonjo in a bumper last time at haydock
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 03, 2012, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on January 03, 2012, 09:10:38 PM
anything of interest antepost for cheltenham dh?

I have nowt running antepost at the moment. Managed to get a few decent antepost results down the years but it looks to be getting harder and harder. New races (particularly the Ryanair and the ridiculous new novice chase) and the fact that so many of the class horses are concentrated with a handful of trainers/owners (Nicholls, Henderson, Mullins, Gigginstown) make it nigh on impossible these days.

Haven't been impressed with many novice hurdlers so far. I'm still waiting on Waaheb and Samain of last year's bumper crop to come out. I haven't taken to many of the flat recruits. I don't think either Steps To Freedom or Prospect Wells are hard enough for the Supreme Novices. At a big price I'd keep an eye on Distant Memories who won down at Limerick for Taaffe. Of the staying novices Fingal Bay has impressed but he looks a Gold Cup horse in the making and I'm not certain he has the boot for a Neptune or even the three miler on quickish ground. Boston Bob is the best of ours so far but Willie has so much depth that he could end up in either race. Make Your Mark and Sword Of Destiny both for O'Leary muddy the waters further.

If they both line up, Sprinter Sacre and Grand Crus will be warm orders for the respective novice chases but I don't like playing at such short odds for an Arkle or a Sun Alliance given how brutal a race they can be for inexperienced horses. Sprinter Sacre didn't come up the hill at all last year and you can be certain Peddlers Cross will give him a much stiffer examination than he did at Kempton. Grand Crus may well go for an open looking Gold Cup instead. We have some very nice staying novices but the trouble is that they all run in O'Leary's silks. First Lieutenant has disappointed so far but he is a Cheltenham winner. Last Instalment has always had a massive reputation following his p2p bumper rout at Fairyhouse and Sir Des Champs is undefeated. They all shape like stayers but you could well see one, if not two, switching to the Powers Gold Cup or even the four miler (convinced myself long ago that Last Instalment would win that hard held with Robbie McNamara up!).

Champion Hurdle revolves around one horse. If he turns up he wins but trying to extract information from Closutton about his well-being appears to be as difficult as getting blood from a stone. Champion Chase is between Sizing Europe and Big Zeb at the moment. Preference would have to be for the defending champ. I'd be very interested in Flat Out's chances but am worried that he has yet to run this season. Big Bucks is a super horse but this year will be his toughest test yet. If he is ever to be beaten in a Stayers Hurdle then this will have to be the year with both Thousand Stars and Oscar Whiskey up in trip. Gold Cup is anyones guess. Wouldn't write off Kauto but wouldn't back him either. Long Run is probably the best horse out there but given the ineptitude of his partner, he should be twice his current odds. Quel Esprit is potentially interesting if his jumping has been ironed out. He was tanking along when he came down three out in the Sun Alliance last year and has always been thought of as a Gold Cup prospect. If he wins well at Thurles on Saturday I'd hope that they'll step him up for the Hennessy. Absolutely nothing to fear in that race if the Lexus is anything to go by.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 04, 2012, 11:59:57 PM
have to agree with almost everything there, think steps to freedom is a fair bet though in the supreme, looks like supreme is definitely the target and might not run here again before the festival because of soft ground and in that case wont start 10/1.

really don't think big bucks is a 1/2 shot if oscar whiskey, thousand stars, and some of zaidpour, so young and mikael dhaguenet line up, willie showed last year he;s not scared of running multiple horses in that race.

the 13/8 about quevega with paddy power looks very tempting given voler and unaccompanied are very dubious runners
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 05, 2012, 03:03:17 PM
I se Huricane Fly had a run at Lepordstown today, however I also heard over Christmas that they were very concerned that he is out for the season.

Anyone else hear anything about this?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 05, 2012, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 05, 2012, 03:03:17 PM
I se Huricane Fly had a run at Lepordstown today, however I also heard over Christmas that they were very concerned that he is out for the season.

Anyone else hear anything about this?

Must have worked well because he's shortening up on the machine. Interesting to hear who he worked with. There were rumours that there was one horse that was beating him on the gallops down in Closutton but I heard last year that So Young was working all over him before Cheltenham!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 05, 2012, 05:07:51 PM
From  racingpost.com

QuoteCHAMPION HURDLE winner Hurricane Fly is on target to make his eagerly awaited seasonal reappearance in the BHP Insurance Irish Champion Hurdle at Leopardstown on January 29, after delighting connections in a racecourse gallop on Thursday.

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    Betting for Champion Hurdle 2012

After coming home a length to the good over three rivals in a 1m5f workout at Leopardstown under regular work rider Emmet Mullins, trainer Willie Mullins expressed his satisfaction.

"I'm much happier with the way he went compared to his work before Christmas and it's looking like he will come back for the Irish Champion Hurdle," said Mullins.

Brilliant winner of last year's Stan James Champion Hurdle, Hurricane Fly has not been seen on a racetrack since following up at Punchestown in May and missed a recent engagement at Leopardstown over Christmas, sparking speculation about the horse's wellbeing.

Hurricane Fly is a best-priced 5-2 with Blue Square to retain his Champion Hurdle crown in March.

I've just lumped on for March at 2/1 at Ladbrokes NRNB. Surely Mullins won't send him over unless he's right and if he runs fully fit, surely he wins.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 05, 2012, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 05, 2012, 05:07:51 PM
From  racingpost.com

QuoteCHAMPION HURDLE winner Hurricane Fly is on target to make his eagerly awaited seasonal reappearance in the BHP Insurance Irish Champion Hurdle at Leopardstown on January 29, after delighting connections in a racecourse gallop on Thursday.

RELATED LINKS

    Betting for Champion Hurdle 2012

After coming home a length to the good over three rivals in a 1m5f workout at Leopardstown under regular work rider Emmet Mullins, trainer Willie Mullins expressed his satisfaction.

"I'm much happier with the way he went compared to his work before Christmas and it's looking like he will come back for the Irish Champion Hurdle," said Mullins.

Brilliant winner of last year's Stan James Champion Hurdle, Hurricane Fly has not been seen on a racetrack since following up at Punchestown in May and missed a recent engagement at Leopardstown over Christmas, sparking speculation about the horse's wellbeing.

Hurricane Fly is a best-priced 5-2 with Blue Square to retain his Champion Hurdle crown in March.

I've just lumped on for March at 2/1 at Ladbrokes NRNB. Surely Mullins won't send him over unless he's right and if he runs fully fit, surely he wins.

Anyone know what horses he worked with?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 06, 2012, 12:59:49 PM
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/374714_10150471141893732_15243213731_8834369_1991309243_n.jpg)

Cousin Vinny and So Young?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 06, 2012, 02:09:56 PM
where did you get that pic DH??  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 06, 2012, 02:12:21 PM
The Irish Field.

RTÉ cameras were there as well. They had a report on the 6 o'clock news yesterday apparently.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 06, 2012, 02:32:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 06, 2012, 02:12:21 PM
The Irish Field.

RTÉ cameras were there as well. They had a report on the 6 o'clock news yesterday apparently.

What do you make of the Hurricane for Cheltenham at this stage?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 06, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 06, 2012, 02:32:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 06, 2012, 02:12:21 PM
The Irish Field.

RTÉ cameras were there as well. They had a report on the 6 o'clock news yesterday apparently.

What do you make of the Hurricane for Cheltenham at this stage?

If he turns up at least 90% fit he'll win handily. Can't really see anything in the betting that appeals against him. All last year's Triumph principals are being talked up across the water but I don't see it myself. Grandouet will travel well before running out of gas when the taps get turned on. Zarkandar's form has held up well but why hasn't he been out yet. You need to be battle hardened going into a Champion Hurdle and he's not. Similar story with Spirit Son. Oscars Well and Rock On Ruby are nowhere near good enough. Binocular has already had his arse handed to him by HF.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 06, 2012, 08:43:25 PM
Fancy Colour Squadron to turn over Prospect Wells in the Tolworth tomorrow. I really rate that form with Its A Gimme and he went on to give Montbazon and Ericht a beating at Newbury.

Will be keeping a close eye on how Quel Esprit gets on at Thurles too. Probably the only hope of an Irish trained runner in the Cheltenham Gold Cup the way we're going.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 06, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
I'd see the Gold Cup as a two horse race unless Grands Cru takes on the big guns, in which case he might give Kauto Star and Long Run a fright. Quel Esprit, Burton Port and What A Friend are all "interesting". By the way, Kauto Star and Long Run both look vulnerable but there's been very little evidence to suggest that there's anything waiting in the wings to beat them. No second season chaser has done anything noteworthy.

I'm a big "Fly" fan but even in light of the positive bulletins this week, I think the value lies elsewhere. Henderson horses pose a big threat. And Zarkandar has always been trained to return in the Kingwell, and then head to Cheltenham with one run, though I'm sure the 5yo and number of runs stats will be bounced about well in advance of the Festival. So for me, I don't see the CH as Hurricane Fly home and hosed. Grandouet, Spirit Son, Rock On Ruby and Zarkandar are all still something of unknown quantities, in one regard or another.

The Champion Chase looks there for the taking, and am actually surprised it's taken until this week for one of the novice's connections to shout about the possibilites of running in the main 2m chase event. Big Zeb and Sizing Europe are 11 and 10 respectively and are to be shot at. Trouble is last season's novices look a dire bunch. Wide open.

Don't see Big Bucks getting beat. Cases were made for Punchestowns, Kasbah Bliss, Karabak, Grands Cru; Big Bucks had enough for them all. Oscar Whiskey and Thousand Stars are decent but the only way they'll win is if something happens Big Bucks.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 06, 2012, 10:12:16 PM
I think that perhaps the most telling statistic about Hurricane's chances is that none of the four who trailed him home last March dare to re-oppose this term. Zarkandar could hardly have been more impressive in the Triumph but I'm still content with my 2/1 docket.

I suspect I may end up backing Grands Crus on the day if he does enter the Gold Cup. Can't disagree with your assessment of Big Bucks' chances while the fact that it looks like Quevega will head to Cheltenham again means that we'll probably be treated to an odds against opportunity (13/8 earlier this week).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 06, 2012, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on January 04, 2012, 11:59:57 PM
have to agree with almost everything there, think steps to freedom is a fair bet though in the supreme, looks like supreme is definitely the target and might not run here again before the festival because of soft ground and in that case wont start 10/1.

I think this statement is intended to suggest that STF will start less than 10/1? If it is I disagree.

Comes from unfashionable stable, ridden by a jockey who wouldn't enjoy the appeal that Ruby, BJG, Choc ridden horses enjoy, and plus the horse won't have run since November. So I find it hard to see where the momentum will come from especially if Henderson or Nicholls produce something special in the next 10 weeks (which they've done in the past).

But I like him. He can skip over the hurdles at speed and he stays well which is what you like in a Supreme prospect. Plus he's been up the hill and won. I hope the big stables attract the attention in this race and STF sneaks in under the radar, somewhat like Captain Cee Bee managed to do.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on January 06, 2012, 11:41:38 PM
i dont think steps to freedom will be forgot about  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on January 07, 2012, 10:31:04 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on January 06, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
I'd see the Gold Cup as a two horse race unless Grands Cru takes on the big guns, in which case he might give Kauto Star and Long Run a fright. Quel Esprit, Burton Port and What A Friend are all "interesting". By the way, Kauto Star and Long Run both look vulnerable but there's been very little evidence to suggest that there's anything waiting in the wings to beat them. No second season chaser has done anything noteworthy.

I'm a big "Fly" fan but even in light of the positive bulletins this week, I think the value lies elsewhere. Henderson horses pose a big threat. And Zarkandar has always been trained to return in the Kingwell, and then head to Cheltenham with one run, though I'm sure the 5yo and number of runs stats will be bounced about well in advance of the Festival. So for me, I don't see the CH as Hurricane Fly home and hosed. Grandouet, Spirit Son, Rock On Ruby and Zarkandar are all still something of unknown quantities, in one regard or another.

The Champion Chase looks there for the taking, and am actually surprised it's taken until this week for one of the novice's connections to shout about the possibilites of running in the main 2m chase event. Big Zeb and Sizing Europe are 11 and 10 respectively and are to be shot at. Trouble is last season's novices look a dire bunch. Wide open.

Don't see Big Bucks getting beat. Cases were made for Punchestowns, Kasbah Bliss, Karabak, Grands Cru; Big Bucks had enough for them all. Oscar Whiskey and Thousand Stars are decent but the only way they'll win is if something happens Big Bucks.


With regard to last seasons novices i wonder where they will go with that Captain Chris given that they stepped it up to 3 miles in the King George. Arkle winners have a great record when turned out again in the champion chase the next year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 07, 2012, 03:28:41 PM
might be really clutching at straws but think the the first two in the tolworth at sandown really relished the soft ground and might have the form with prospect wells reversed at cheltenham who wants it really firm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2012, 03:46:14 PM
Prospect Wells probably isn't up to that much. He should have been winning the Ladbroke off a mark of 142 if he's a Supreme Novices horse. The front two today should have a lot more improvement to come considering they're both more traditional NH types. Both look like chasing prospects already.

I'm wanting to be hearing positive bulletins about both Samain and Waaheb. They were probably the best bumper horses last year (Lovethehigherlaw no longer with us). Waaheb laughed at a field that included Cash And Go in the McManus bumper at Limerick and Samain was very impressive in the Rockview bumper at the Curragh and the form of that has been working out quite well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 07, 2012, 03:58:07 PM
Ciceron wins at Sandown. Comes in at 6/1, Pricewise tipped it this morning and it opened at 20s apparently. Pricewise appears to have superb consistency with his tips. Seems like most Saturdays he manages to pick out a winner at very decent odds. I would buy the Racing Post rarely enough but got it on the way down to Leopardstown for the Lexus and sure enough, he picked out Synchronised. Is it worth blindly following his picks, particularly on Saturdays, and has anybody else followed this course in the past?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2012, 08:54:01 PM
Not the strongest renewal of the Slaney tomorrow. I strongly fancy Dedigout to tough it out. Good supporting card particularly the novice chase which looks a match between Lambro and Flemenstar. I know his best form is over further but Lambro did beat Flemenstar as a novice hurdler last spring so I'm a bit surprised that he's not favourite. Not a lot of form to go on in the bumper but could be a very informative race. Un Atout has a big reputation (Russell talking him up in the paper today) but DK's horse is impeccably bred (dam is out of the mighty Ridgewood Pearl). Jessie's horse is owned and bred by Ballymacoll and is a half-brother to Stage Gift.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on January 07, 2012, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 07, 2012, 03:58:07 PM
Ciceron wins at Sandown. Comes in at 6/1, Pricewise tipped it this morning and it opened at 20s apparently. Pricewise appears to have superb consistency with his tips. Seems like most Saturdays he manages to pick out a winner at very decent odds. I would buy the Racing Post rarely enough but got it on the way down to Leopardstown for the Lexus and sure enough, he picked out Synchronised. Is it worth blindly following his picks, particularly on Saturdays, and has anybody else followed this course in the past?

http://tipsterform.com/tom-segal-pricewise/

I can't remember the exact figures (Mickey Linden on the board might) but in last week's RP it gave his end of year return and it was exceptional.

I still remember backing Newmill when he won the Champion Chase from reading his tip that day, albeit he was a lucky winner that year, I think that was when Kauto fell but a 16/1 winner for a skint student was brilliant.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2012, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 07, 2012, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 07, 2012, 03:58:07 PM
Ciceron wins at Sandown. Comes in at 6/1, Pricewise tipped it this morning and it opened at 20s apparently. Pricewise appears to have superb consistency with his tips. Seems like most Saturdays he manages to pick out a winner at very decent odds. I would buy the Racing Post rarely enough but got it on the way down to Leopardstown for the Lexus and sure enough, he picked out Synchronised. Is it worth blindly following his picks, particularly on Saturdays, and has anybody else followed this course in the past?

http://tipsterform.com/tom-segal-pricewise/

I can't remember the exact figures (Mickey Linden on the board might) but in last week's RP it gave his end of year return and it was exceptional.

One caveat to that would be that I'm sure those returns are calculated at the prices that Segal puts them up at. How many punters actually get on at those odds then though is another matter. The bookies tend to slash the prices on any of his selections straight away and a lot of his horses will then go off at an artificially short price. Anyone who is to successfully follow Segal would have to be getting on at the opening morning odds.

Don't tend to follow a tipster myself but Pat Keane in the Examiner is probably the best judge I've come across. He ghost-writes Walsh's column as well so he's well clued in to the goings on at the two most successful yards in Ireland and England.


Quote from: Don Johnson on January 07, 2012, 09:00:18 PM
I still remember backing Newmill when he won the Champion Chase from reading his tip that day, albeit he was a lucky winner that year, I think that was when Kauto fell but a 16/1 winner for a skint student was brilliant.

Recall that day well. Newmill was awesome. I backed him before he ran in the Kinloch Brae at Thurles when it was generally thought that he'd continue over hurdles after running well against the likes of Brave Inca and Harchibald earlier that season. Had a great day punting wise taking on Denman with Nicanor and Skys The Limit winning the Coral Cup hard held under top weight. The only letdown for me was Back In Front unshipping a young Paddy Flood when upsides at the second last in the Sun Alliance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on January 07, 2012, 09:42:28 PM
It was a funny days racing that DH...and lest anyone forgets Moscow finished in front of Kauto (on the only occasion they clashed).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2012, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on January 07, 2012, 09:42:28 PM
It was a funny days racing that DH...and lest anyone forgets Moscow finished in front of Kauto (on the only occasion they clashed).

Gave him a right good shoeing too IIRC  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 07, 2012, 10:16:51 PM
Tom Segal posted over 400 points to a level stake profit last year. However, as donelly rightly says the ordinary punter will not get on at the quoted prices as bookies have been running scared of him for years. Have to give him credit all the same. He seems to be best at big handicaps and usually goes for unexposed types of a low mark. Have often thought about following him but for me it takes a bit of the fun out of it. His column is always worth a read nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 08, 2012, 01:07:13 PM
I reckon the 12/1 on offer for Mart Lane is a cracking price as Shark Hanlon's horses have been flying of late and it could spring a surprise in the Slaney...

And Lambro and Hats&Heels look like they should both win tight races

Too much of a step up in class for Mart Lane   :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 09, 2012, 09:45:54 AM
Waaheb unlikely to make Cheltenham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 09, 2012, 12:58:43 PM
Barney Curley gamble on at wolverhampton today? :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on January 09, 2012, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on January 09, 2012, 12:58:43 PM
Barney Curley gamble on at wolverhampton today? :P

What are you on about?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 09, 2012, 03:08:31 PM
3.55 Sommersturm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on January 09, 2012, 04:03:00 PM
Good man! made a moderate amount - nice start to the week!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 09, 2012, 04:15:19 PM
Glad you got on! ;) Opened at 13/2 as well...was 11/4 this morning. Case of the bookies trying to cut the price before the big money went on.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on January 09, 2012, 05:42:07 PM
had it in a wee double with carrickmines... paid about 18/1!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on January 09, 2012, 09:46:00 PM
Just looking at the betting for Cheltenham their i think i will do an accum tomorrow and get the early price.

Fingal Bay 5/1
Grands Crus 5/2
Hurricane Fly 9/4
Sprinter Sacre 5/2
Darlan 14/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 09, 2012, 10:51:16 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on January 09, 2012, 09:46:00 PM
Just looking at the betting for Cheltenham their i think i will do an accum tomorrow and get the early price.

Fingal Bay 5/1
Grands Crus 5/2
Hurricane Fly 9/4
Sprinter Sacre 5/2
Darlan 14/1

I'd be fairly certain Grands Crus will go for the Gold Cup. The Pipes are greedy hoors and they have a history of pithcing their better novices in at the deep end.

Accums are very speculative at the best of times but I'd definitely be putting in both Quevega and Scotsirish if I was given a free bet now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 11, 2012, 02:33:15 PM
Lads was give Sycho Fred 3.25 Doncaster. Never received from this source before so don't get too excited! ;)

Having a break from gambling so not backing myself....was around 10/1 earlier i think
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 11, 2012, 02:36:16 PM
Andrew Nick also fancied 3.00.

Don't ya just hate to see your horse drift like a barge 5 mins before the off  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 11, 2012, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on January 11, 2012, 02:33:15 PM
Lads was give Sycho Fred 3.25 Doncaster. Never received from this source before so don't get too excited! ;)

Having a break from gambling so not backing myself....was around 10/1 earlier i think

Finished just outside the frame in 4th.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on January 11, 2012, 03:51:02 PM
Heading to Navan on Sunday, any pointers would be greatly appreciated (particularly from yourself DH). Ta.
Also considering staying over after the meeting. What is Navan like to go out in?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on January 11, 2012, 06:12:06 PM
A whisper for Smoky Cloud, 6.45pm. Looking at its form would make u ill, but was 25/1 lastnite, now 10's? Have a wee nibble myself, couldn't be any worse than some of todays results... Usual rules apply!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on January 11, 2012, 06:27:16 PM
navan good spot to go out in ryans after racing then the palace
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on January 11, 2012, 07:04:43 PM
And the form continues!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html (http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html)

PP going 7/2 for him to win both the Irish & English Champion Hurdles? Hmmmm........
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 12, 2012, 12:55:19 PM
I see PP have pushed Quevega out to 6/4. It would seem to be far from certain that either Voler La Vedette or Unaccompanied will oppose so it could be a very different price by the day of the race. I suppose the fact that VLV had more to spare on Mourad at Christmas than Quevega had in May is the only question mark over her form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
As you say TAM, I wouldn't be sure VLV will run when there's a handy race for her at Fairyhouse. I recall reading/hearing somewhere that she's not the best traveller so they're not overly keen on going to England.I'd be satisfied that Quevega has plenty in hand over her anyway. They've met twice and Quevega has beaten her convincingly on both occasions.

Again I'd be sceptical about Unaccompanied turning up. I think she'll go in the Champion Hurdle regardless of how she gets on against Hurricane Fly at Leopardstown. There's no guarantee she'd get the trip in the mares race considering the farthest she went on the flat was 10f. I also don't think Moyglare have kept her racing to be messing around in mares only events. They're an ambitious operation and considering her value as a broodmare, it must have been tempting to get her covered after last season.

Quevega is just a different league to the rest of those mares. She'd give Big Bucks a right rattle IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 12, 2012, 01:36:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
As you say TAM, I wouldn't be sure VLV will run when there's a handy race for her at Fairyhouse. I recall reading/hearing somewhere that she's not the best traveller so they're not overly keen on going to England.I'd be satisfied that Quevega has plenty in hand over her anyway. They've met twice and Quevega has beaten her convincingly on both occasions.

Again I'd be sceptical about Unaccompanied turning up. I think she'll go in the Champion Hurdle regardless of how she gets on against Hurricane Fly at Leopardstown. There's no guarantee she'd get the trip in the mares race considering the farthest she went on the flat was 10f. I also don't think Moyglare have kept her racing to be messing around in mares only events. They're an ambitious operation and considering her value as a broodmare, it must have been tempting to get her covered after last season.

Quevega is just a different league to the rest of those mares. She'd give Big Bucks a right rattle IMO.

I agree. Do you hold out any hope for that match?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 01:44:29 PM
Unlikely I'd say. Now that they've made a mess of Cheltenham and diluted the quality with all these extra races, Quevega will always be a penalty kick for the mares race. With Thousand Stars in the same ownership, I doubt the Clane lads who own her are that bothered with Liverpool and Big Bucks is unlikely to ever come over to Punchestown because he's supposedly a bad traveller. There's no one with any imagination in racing these days to organise and promote a big match up like Dawn Run v Buck House in '86. They'll just keep beating up the same moderate horses time and time again in non-event races.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 12, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
Had a trixie on 3 horse. One pulled out and declared Non runner. Do i need the other 2 both to win for a payout?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on January 12, 2012, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html (http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html)

PP going 7/2 for him to win both the Irish & English Champion Hurdles? Hmmmm........

If 100% surely this is a great bet. If he wins the Irish champion at a hack canter what price will he go for March ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 12, 2012, 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on January 12, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
Had a trixie on 3 horse. One pulled out and declared Non runner. Do i need the other 2 both to win for a payout?

I thought you were on a gambling break boyo...? could be different rules for different bookies here dude but one winner might get your stake back at the right price..??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 12, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
lol David Barron drove me to it!  :D

Thanks fella...just checked and yeah got majority of my stake back!

The guys horse 'Hitchens' is running in Dubai next week....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: maddog on January 12, 2012, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html (http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html)

PP going 7/2 for him to win both the Irish & English Champion Hurdles? Hmmmm........

If 100% surely this is a great bet. If he wins the Irish champion at a hack canter what price will he go for March ?

11/8 I reckon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on January 12, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: maddog on January 12, 2012, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html (http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html)

PP going 7/2 for him to win both the Irish & English Champion Hurdles? Hmmmm........

If 100% surely this is a great bet. If he wins the Irish champion at a hack canter what price will he go for March ?

11/8 I reckon.

well paddy power go 4/5 for irish champion and 2/1 for cheltenham so better off doing a double as if ya stake £20 quid the double it  pays £108 rather than £90 quid for the 7/2 also still plenty of 9/4 for cheltenham about so not really good value
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on January 12, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: maddog on January 12, 2012, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html (http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html)

PP going 7/2 for him to win both the Irish & English Champion Hurdles? Hmmmm........

If 100% surely this is a great bet. If he wins the Irish champion at a hack canter what price will he go for March ?

11/8 I reckon.

well paddy power go 4/5 for irish champion and 2/1 for cheltenham so better off doing a double as if ya stake £20 quid the double it  pays £108 rather than £90 quid for the 7/2 also still plenty of 9/4 for cheltenham about so not really good value

The double would be a 'related bet' (all bookmakers rules will stipulate that selections have to be independent of one another) so no bookie would accept it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 13, 2012, 07:27:38 PM
ipsos du berlais at punchestown, western leader looks like  a perfect candidate to bounce after so long out and this will be a second quick run into him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 14, 2012, 02:02:53 PM
A really solid staying performance from Ipsos there. Won it well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: highorlow on January 14, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
Eastlake 2.50 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 14, 2012, 02:30:50 PM
Like the look of Strongbow Legend 3-40 @ 8/1

Is that a tip??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2012, 04:12:50 PM
The Mullins clan finally lose a bumper! Good boost for the form of the Stephens Day bumper at Leopardstown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on January 14, 2012, 06:08:21 PM
Have you any offerings for my trip to Navan tomorrow DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: gaa.boy on January 14, 2012, 06:08:21 PM
Have you any offerings for my trip to Navan tomorrow DH?

Tricky enough card on paper. Mullins will probably have 5 of the seven favourites - Terminal, So Young, Are Ya Right Chief, Bagber, and Raise Hell. So Young would be the strongest of those but he won't be much of a price. My advice would be to watch for any positive market moves for any of the other ones. Terminal has solid looking French form but it'll depend how reved up he is for his debut here. Raise Hell has easily the best pedigree in the bumper but a quick glance at his p2p form would certainly suggest that he's a bit of a monkey.

I personally try to avoid the handicaps over here nowadays with so many horses just out for a school. Apologies I can't be of any more assistance but I'm not really following the racing as closely this winter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 14, 2012, 08:59:37 PM
Have u got involved in the cheltenham ante post market yet dh?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2012, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 14, 2012, 08:59:37 PM
Have u got involved in the cheltenham ante post market yet dh?

Distant Memories 50/1 for the Supreme Novices
Peddlers Cross 5/1 for the Arkle
Quel Esprit 40/1 for the Gold Cup

I'm struggling to get a handle on it at the moment - particularly the novices and the championship races are all a bit messy IMO.

I backed Peddlers Cross before a fence was jumped and I still wouldn't give up on him. Kempton was never going to suit and he'll get the end to end gallop he needs at Cheltenham (remember Captain Chris last year).

Distant Memories was very classy on the flat and could win another soft race at Naas (the race Go Native won before winning at Cheltenham) which might see him cut to 16/1 or so which would give me the option of laying off. He's probably not on many people's radar yet considering he's only won at Limerick and Taaffe has had such a quiet time for a number of years. His horses were sick out for the last few seasons though but his yard seems to be over it now and he's a proven Cheltenham trainer (Kicking King, Ninetieth Minute, Finger On The Pulse).

I'm probably soft in the head for backing Quel Esprit but I really don't think there's a lot out there in terms of staying chasers at the moment. The ones at the top of the market are all a bit iffy and when you hear horses like What A Friend and Quito De La Roque being put up as viable outsiders, you get the impression that the race might not take much winning. I know how much the Mullins yard think of Quel Esprit even though he's yet to really show it on the track. He was tanking along when he came down three out in the Sun Alliance and he has had two nice confidence boosters this campaign. If he was to win the Hennessy, he'll probably go off single figures on the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on January 14, 2012, 10:31:09 PM
I love cheltenham AP betting. Will check out skinny's one. He knows how to get one right for March.

DH ..What do you make of Finian's Rainbow potentially going the Kicking King route (arkle 2nd) to Gold Cup ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2012, 01:45:21 AM
Tommy French have gone NRNB on all Cheltenham races for anybody in the Lurgan area.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 15, 2012, 03:28:05 AM
finians rainbow didn't get 2m5f in the challow hurdle before cheltenham or the ballymore at cheltenham, travelling well before emptying in both races. didn't even quite get 2 miles at cheltenham last year when captain chris stayed on to beat him. there is no way he will get 3,2f at cheltenham with kauto setting the pace. really like the horse and will be backing him in the victor chandler next week but there's absolutely no way he will possibly run or win in the gold cup unless he falls at the first in the champ chase and ryanair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 15, 2012, 03:29:59 AM
even 1/2 if it can be gotten looks good value on so young tomorrow given he's such a class above everything else in the race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on January 15, 2012, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2012, 01:45:21 AM
Tommy French have gone NRNB on all Cheltenham races for anybody in the Lurgan area.

Would that be available in Armagh as well?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2012, 11:28:07 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on January 15, 2012, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2012, 01:45:21 AM
Tommy French have gone NRNB on all Cheltenham races for anybody in the Lurgan area.

Would that be available in Armagh as well?

Presumably so. They announced it on facebook.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on January 16, 2012, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on January 15, 2012, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 15, 2012, 01:45:21 AM
Tommy French have gone NRNB on all Cheltenham races for anybody in the Lurgan area.

Would that be available in Armagh as well?

Yeah it is.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 16, 2012, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on January 14, 2012, 10:31:09 PM
I love cheltenham AP betting. Will check out skinny's one. He knows how to get one right for March.

DH ..What do you make of Finian's Rainbow potentially going the Kicking King route (arkle 2nd) to Gold Cup ?

On pedigree he actually has a decent chance of staying 3m+. His sire has got some stayers (albeit moderate ones) and he's out of a Strong Gale mare (usually a good stamina influence). However, he does look a bit short on all his racecourse appearances. I suppose it's possible that he just lacks that extra finishing gear over the shorter trips. He also had a 3m p2p at his mercy when he fell at the last at Inch three years ago. The fact that they've never gone three miles before now would put me off him. I can't think of a previous Gold Cup winner who was having their first attempt at three miles.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 18, 2012, 02:40:06 PM
Massive gamble in the last at Kempton on Nacho Libre!  :o 33s into 9/2!

Was also given 2.50 Southwell Chac Du Cadran.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 20, 2012, 10:37:30 AM
Interesting novice hurdle at Nass tomorrow if they all go to post.

Any thoughts on this DH? I was looking at the form of Distant Memories as flagged up by you. It certainly has some form on the flat and will be some propositon if it takes to the jumping!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 20, 2012, 11:10:55 AM
I'm having a small antepost investment anyway now that Mullins has said Samain is probably going to miss Cheltenham. It doesn't look like there are any superstars across the water in this division either. The form of the Limerick race is worth nowt but hopefully he's capable of stepping up. Dylan Ross sets a high standard and Joxer did Midnight Game's form no harm last weekend. However, both those horse's look like they don't have the heart for it. Andrew Lee's horse shouldn't be good enough on the Gowran form.

Taaffe has his string in good order for the first time in a long while and had another good winner for the Hay's at Thurles yesterday. He's a pure gent and deserves a good horse after the miserable few years he has had.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on January 20, 2012, 11:15:47 AM
4.55 W/Hampton...
Big Market move on for Lizzys Dream... 20's into 5/1 this morning!! Our comrade on here gaa.boy reckons its a good thing!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 20, 2012, 12:44:29 PM
Our Girl Salley is running over at Ascot tomorrow. Could be a nice bit of placing. The English mares aren't up too much.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on January 20, 2012, 02:50:49 PM
when is a race 1/4 the odds for a placed horse in an each way bet and whens it 1/5 the odds?
does it depend on the size of the field or what?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on January 20, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Clown on January 20, 2012, 02:50:49 PM
when is a race 1/4 the odds for a placed horse in an each way bet and whens it 1/5 the odds?
does it depend on the size of the field or what?

Think it depends on whether it is a handicap or not as well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 20, 2012, 03:18:43 PM
It can vary - you need to check the individual bookie's terms, but the general rule would be

1/4 odds when 5-7 runners in all types of races, 2 places paid.
1/5 odds all non handicap races, 3 places paid
1/4 odds when 12 or more runners in handicaps, 3 places paid, 4 places paid when 16 or more runners
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 20, 2012, 06:25:09 PM
Quote from: Candyman on January 20, 2012, 11:15:47 AM
4.55 W/Hampton...
Big Market move on for Lizzys Dream... 20's into 5/1 this morning!! Our comrade on here gaa.boy reckons its a good thing!! ;-)

not even a place....  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on January 20, 2012, 08:15:23 PM
Mutasareb 9-15 dundalk shub go in again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on January 20, 2012, 08:40:59 PM
Will Our Girl Salley stay tho DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 20, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on January 20, 2012, 08:40:59 PM
Will Our Girl Salley stay tho DH?

Factored into the price I think. I'm willing to take the chance. She's out of a Phardante mare afterall. If she's ever going to get three miles it'll be on decent ground in England rather than in a bog at Naas or Navan.

Supreme Novices market should get a good shake up tomorrow. Cinders And Ashes runs at Haydock, Distant Memories at Naas, and Its A Gimme at Wincanton all running.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 20, 2012, 11:13:47 PM
I could be wrong lads but i'm almost certain Barry said in an interview with RTE after her win over Xmas she'd enjoy a step up in trip so hopefully he's right!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 20, 2012, 11:16:18 PM
Just read his blog there,the grounds his only worry by  the sounds of it!

I've got a great strike-rate on OUR GIRL SALLY (2.05), my ride in the Mares' Hurdle over three miles. I've ridden her five times and won on four of them including last time.

She's good and has run to a decent level on soft ground but I still have a slight concern about Saturday's ground.

However, she's best on the figures and given the way she won for me last time I'd be very hopeful that the move up to three miles shouldn't be a worry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on January 21, 2012, 10:17:53 AM
I see Tom SeaGULL of the RP tips Our Girl also today...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on January 21, 2012, 11:04:13 AM
our girl salley was also alex hammonds tip on sky sports news this morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on January 21, 2012, 02:53:23 PM
wouldnt write off dyaln ross in the supreme novices, went for home early today, will be reidden with much more restraint at cheltenham.  50/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 22, 2012, 11:25:51 AM
Having a fairly poor time of it punting recently and I'm stupidly hoping to get it back on Noble Prince today  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 22, 2012, 01:11:22 PM
Silver Circle ran v wide last day when cruising late in the race, so should improve with Brian Hayes in the saddle although there seems no interest in the betting @ 16-1... 4.00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 22, 2012, 05:20:05 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 22, 2012, 11:25:51 AM
Having a fairly poor time of it punting recently and I'm stupidly hoping to get it back on Noble Prince today  :-\

Raped again DH...on a bad run? i know the feeling i tried that stunt yesterday on Finians Rainbow.

At least you beat the Dubs today (small consolation)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 22, 2012, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 22, 2012, 05:20:05 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 22, 2012, 11:25:51 AM
Having a fairly poor time of it punting recently and I'm stupidly hoping to get it back on Noble Prince today  :-\

Raped again DH...on a bad run? i know the feeling i tried that stunt yesterday on Finians Rainbow.

At least you beat the Dubs today (small consolation)

Yeah they're not really running for me at the moment. Fortunately got my stake back today on Champagne Fever to win by 10L+. The only strategy that will pay in Irish racing at the moment is to back WPM blind. I'm going to knock the English stuff on the head for a while. Can't get a handle on the form over there at all. There seems to be a dearth of quality horses (particularly chasers) on both sides of the Irish Sea if recent races are anything to go by. Somersby winning yesterday sums it up really. He's not the first cousin of a top 2 miler.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 23, 2012, 01:54:36 PM
Paul Carberry - Paul Carberry will be back in time for the Cheltenham Festival after breaking his collar bone in a skiing accident last week.

Noel Meade's stable jockey is set for between four to six weeks on the sidelines. But with Cheltenham still seven weeks away, he has a bit of breathing space.

Theresa O'Toole, acting as Carberry's agent while her husband, Ciaran, is on holiday, said: "He rang me on Thursday to tell me, it's awful luck.
"He'll be out for four to six weeks, but he'll be back flying by the time Cheltenham comes around.

"It's rotten luck, but he's used to bouncing back.


"It's not as if he's a novice on the slopes either, he's a very accomplished skier."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on January 23, 2012, 11:56:47 PM
Another potential Curley masterpiece tomorrow, the first at Kempton!! Market should be interesting... ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on January 24, 2012, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: Candyman on January 23, 2012, 11:56:47 PM
Another potential Curley masterpiece tomorrow, the first at Kempton!! Market should be interesting... ;-)

5s to 7s on Stan James so far.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 24, 2012, 12:55:30 PM
Mytara 10s and Dr Rock 20s might worth keeping an eye on in the 4.10 @ Leicester
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on January 25, 2012, 09:33:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 12, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html (http://www.examiner.ie/sport/racing/fly-firmly-on-course-for-leopardstown-179928.html)

PP going 7/2 for him to win both the Irish & English Champion Hurdles? Hmmmm........

Went to do that bet there and i see its into 5/2. I wanted to double it up with quevega but it wont let me. I suppose if HF clicks just stick the lot on the mare.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on January 25, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Fancy Robert Tyners horse for the big race tomorrow if it makes it. He wont enter a horse in a big race unless it has a good chance
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 25, 2012, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on January 25, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Fancy Robert Tyners horse for the big race tomorrow if it makes it. He wont enter a horse in a big race unless it has a good chance

Definitely running?? See it's down as first reserve on Irish racing website

First reserve Tullintain will run in Goff Thyestes Chase after Start Me Up withdrawal.

I am really fancying Zaidpour to beat VLV today too... 13/8 with Ruby riding  ???   ???   ???

Tiernans Terror looks a good bet in the 3.35 at 16/1 - going back to win the race for the 2nd year in succession  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 26, 2012, 02:09:04 PM
I knew I should have put Zaidpour on a seperate post.  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 26, 2012, 04:00:43 PM
last one for today, taking on WP Mullins... on the back of MOSCOW MANNON's rider Declan Lavery rides out at Willie Mullins' and has opined that this horse is as good as any bumper horse he has sat on this season at Closutton. That will be put to the test here in a smart contest as Morning Royalty looked a high-class performer last time. Ultimately, Lavery's 7lb allowance tilts the balance in favour of the Northern raider. 15/8 in a two horse race  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on January 26, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on January 25, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Fancy Robert Tyners horse for the big race tomorrow if it makes it. He wont enter a horse in a big race unless it has a good chance

Fu*k missed the race :( :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 26, 2012, 05:52:33 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on January 26, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on January 25, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Fancy Robert Tyners horse for the big race tomorrow if it makes it. He wont enter a horse in a big race unless it has a good chance

f**k missed the race :( :(

never mind, it didnt win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on January 26, 2012, 08:55:10 PM
2nd 12/1 i would happily take it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on January 26, 2012, 11:17:49 PM
DH have you seen much of black caviar? They are always on about how to make racing more appealing to bring in the numbers. Will some numbnut ever get his thinking cap on and try to arrange a proper match up between Frankel and BC, make it in the interests of both parties and market the s**t out of it, imagine the publicity worldwide. I know they are both set to run at different distances this year but surely it makes sense.

Just seems to me that its to easy for trainers/owners to pick these shite races to suit and pick up their prize moeny, rather than giving what the people want to see. Surely there is a way to incorporate sponsors etc to make it worthwhile. If they want to grow interest surely they need to get the "best" vs the "best" on a regular basis like every other sport in the world.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2012, 08:54:20 PM
Problem with the flat is that there are so many vested interests and it is only part (albeit a massive part) of the wider bloodstock industry. Any match would have to be held over 7f and there aren't really any suitable races anywhere I can think of over that trip. Juddmonte have taken a big risk in keeping Frankel in training and I doubt they'll want him to lose the unbeaten tag. I personally don't think he is that attractive a stallion prospect but that's hardly an exact science. Galileo is yet to prove himself as a sire of sires but Teofilo did have quite a good first crop and some of the New Approach foals and yearlings went for good money.

The big match ups in NH are fast becoming a rarer occurance nowadays too with Cheltenham becoming the be all and end all. Why so few English raiders for such lucrative cards at Leopardstown this weekend when the prize money over there is so pitiful? This craic of leaving a horse off for three or four months to get them right for March is complete bollocks IMO.

Looking forward to seeing how this Silver Concorde goes tomorrow considering the market support that was behind him the last day against Un Atout. Fabulous pedigree with his dam out of the great Ridgewood Pearl.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on January 27, 2012, 09:25:18 PM
Heading to Leopardstown tomorrow. Any one any ideas of what could go well? Was going to back Hinterland but last time I went for Boston Bob instead, Hinterland is 2/1 so that does not excite me that much. Cant see anything at the moment so maybe just go with the flow I suppose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 27, 2012, 10:12:26 PM
Just watching a replay of a few of the races at Dundalk this evening and 8.50 had a messy enough finish to it,anyone called into the stewards room? Or is that a pointless question  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 27, 2012, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on January 27, 2012, 09:25:18 PM
Heading to Leopardstown tomorrow. Any one any ideas of what could go well? Was going to back Hinterland but last time I went for Boston Bob instead, Hinterland is 2/1 so that does not excite me that much. Cant see anything at the moment so maybe just go with the flow I suppose.

The Boylesport hurdle is very competitive but that means nice big prices for every horse  :)

There's a few that catch my eye,Dul ar an ol i know is highly regarded by his yard but he'll need plenty of rain to get involved this time, Plan A is a horse of Gordon Eliotts i've won a few pound on before but can't have him tomorrow, i'd say he could be one of the favourites but he never seems to find much off the bridle so is likely to find at least a few to out battle him, what a charm who beat Plan A at Cheltenham is sure to have been trained to be ready for a race like this and Arthur Moores horse could be the one to beat but i rarely back horses with single figure odds in big handicaps like this unless i really fancy them!

The 1 i'm likely to have a little wager on at a massive price i suspect is Zaarito-he's been chasing for the last 2 years or so and was expected to shape into a top novice chaser back in '09 but always tends to make a mistake over them and either falls or has blown his chance by then but in races he's stayed up in he wasn't too far off horses of the calibre of Golden silver and Noble prince and if he takes the step back into hurdling well could run a big race and at  about 25/1 or so and a few bookies surely offering 5 places i could see him running a big race!

So watch how Plan A hacks up after battling it out with Dul ar an ol on the run in and Zaarito finishes last of all-ha!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2012, 12:01:20 AM
That handicap is always a lottery. If you're not in the van a mile out you might as well pull up. Interesting that Staying Article holds a Champion Hurdle entry. Very high mark but I've always really liked the horse - always thought he was far more promising than The Real Article. Definitely one to watch in the market given connections. Might have a small interest in Wilde Wit Pleasure and Askthemaster both at big odds.

4yo maiden should be a good contest. DK's horse may well have beaten Ut De Sivola last time out had he not made a hames of the last but Darroun needed it last time out and he has better ground here. Sir Des Champs v Hidden Cyclone is a cracking match up. I'd have a slight preference for the Gigginstown horse. Knockfierna did the Greenmount form no harm last time out and I think Russell back on board will bring about a bit more improvement. 5lbs penalty to contend with but he may have too many gears for Hidden Cyclone over this trip.

Great card but only the minor match before Sunday's action.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 28, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
Stats-based ratings for the Sky Bet Chase (2:50 Doncaster)

Shalimar Fromentro    24.69
Qianshan Leader        24.14
Shakalakaboomboom   20.74
Galaxy Rock              20.74
Fruity O'Rooney         20.74
Cape Tribulation        20.23
Wymott                   20.23
Osric                       19.63
Carrickmines             17.66
Wayward Prince        16.63
Merigo                     14.06
Nikola                      14.06
Calgary Bay              13.72
Riguez Dancer           13.66
Aiteen Thirtythree       7.60
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2012, 01:32:26 PM
Quite taken by Darroun there. Nice Aga Khan pedigree by Dalakhani. Should make an even better horse on quicker spring ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 28, 2012, 01:42:20 PM
Bridget's Pet small e/w in the next here...  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2012, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 28, 2012, 01:42:20 PM
Bridget's Pet small e/w in the next here...  :-\

Unrewarding experience trying to take on Willie at the moment.

Looking forward to the stablemates Make Your Mark v Boston Bob clash tomorrow. If Make Your Mark is as good as he looks I'd be very disappointed if he can't take advantage of the 10lbs he's in receipt of. Competitive Edge didn't run too badly there and MYM beat him out of sight over Christmas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2012, 02:26:07 PM
Just no stopping him.

Smashing ride from Russell. Knew what he had under him and the horse didn't really know he had a race. He's still got a bit to learn but he's a horse with a future. Appears to be crying out for three miles so who knows what O'Leary is going to do as regards Cheltenham with all his novices. Russell was talking about the Arkle in the paper this morning but surely he wouldn't have the speed for Sprinter Sacre and Peddlers Cross
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 28, 2012, 02:27:43 PM
You think he'd give the rest of them a chance eh...?  ???

Russell done v well to get Des Champs up on the run in there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on January 28, 2012, 02:27:59 PM
Askthemaster 2.45
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 28, 2012, 02:37:27 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 28, 2012, 02:27:43 PM
You think he'd give the rest of them a chance eh...?  ???

Russell done v well to get Des Champs up on the run in there

I think the horse won with a fair bit up his sleeve there. He got in a bit tight to the last and was a bit slow away from the back of it but once Russell gave him a back hander he picked the front two up fairly easily. Got to keep in mind that he was giving 5lbs to the Shark's horse. In any normal year he'd be nailed on to line up in a Sun Alliance but who knows with Last Instalment and First Lieutenant about.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
Thomas Edison and Make Your Mark for me today. Have a small antepost interest in the latter for Cheltenham too so he'd want to be winning well today with the conditions of the race so favourable.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 29, 2012, 10:58:22 AM
Will Thomas Edison go to cheltenham? Ive been impressed with him ever since I seen him run at down royal. He hit every fence that day and still stayed on for 3rd
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
Wouldn't be certain. Given connections he could be plotted up for a handicap somewhere!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 11:53:54 AM
Thomas Edison NR.

With no let up in the rain, the Arkle has become quite interesting. Can't see Blackstairmountain enjoying these conditions and would be surprised if he confirms form with Notus De La Tour. I think Flemenstar will beat the both of them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 01:31:32 PM
Peter Casey  :D

That was quite impressive. How good is Bog Warrior considering he absolutely trounced him at Navan?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on January 29, 2012, 01:34:04 PM
Tracey didn't know what to say, classic tv
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
It's better he's getting. Made absolute wreck of some proper horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on January 29, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
Even better than Istabraq ?
I think so
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on January 29, 2012, 03:14:51 PM
Boston Bob looks a good one. Fairly demolished them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 29, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
 :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pnHS7PbRts&sns=em (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pnHS7PbRts&sns=em)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 29, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
Brilliant! You don't get interviews like that in the GAA.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 08:39:31 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on January 29, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
Even better than Istabraq ?
I think so

Definitely the best since and probably at least his equal now. Istabraq for all his class didn't actually beat many top animals. He was also inferior to HF on the flat.

The one chink HF had was his tendency to be a bit buzzy but he didn't turn a hair today. He settled beautifully in the race and once Walsh gave him a squeeze turning in the race was over in a few strides. He looks like he has matured and if that is the case then he's not going to get beat unless there's something special that comes off the flat. Juddmonte will hardly have Frankel gelded for a campaign over timber? 

Fingers crossed he stays sound now. David Casey summed him up fairly well: "a little bulldog - the Usain Bolt of NH racing!"
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 29, 2012, 09:06:40 PM
Flemenstar and Hurricane the two stand out performances in the atrocious conditions today. HF is a very special horse to have done that today after an 8 month lay off. Awesome
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 31, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
Hows the ante post book looking now DH? I take it u have lumped on the Fly? What about Distant Memories. Do u think it will have any chance now in the Supreme after his last performance? 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 31, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
Hows the ante post book looking now DH? I take it u have lumped on the Fly? What about Distant Memories. Do u think it will have any chance now in the Supreme after his last performance?

I got stuck into the 7/2 PP had on the Champion Hurdle dbl so I am feeling a bit smug with myself alright! Also have a few HF/Quevega vouchers which will make or break my Tuesday anyway.

Very open looking Supreme this year with all the best bumper horses from last year all out for different reasons - Waaheb, Cheltenian, Lovethehigherlaw, Samain. I'd say Taaffe will give him another chance in a winners race somwhere. He was still in with every chance when he made the mistake at Naas though I doubt he would have beaten Midnight Game (who I would be backing now if someone gave me a free bet on the race). Distant Memories should appreciate some nice ground and will have not problems with the big field and strong pace. Very open year and you couldn't rule out a winner with an Ebaziyan type profile.

Still not given up hope on Peddlers Cross for the Arkle. Make Your Mark's bubble was burst on Saturday but still might get a run for my money if Boston Bob goes for the longer race. Haven't a clue as regards the two longer novice chases with running plans up in the air. I do think Grands Crus will go for the Gold Cup so I will be backing one of the Gigginstown lot when their targets become clearer. Backed Darroun e/w for the Triumph after being quite taken with how nicely he did it on Saturday. Think he has more going for him than Ut De Sivola anyway who looks more of a three mile chaser in the making. Hard to get too excited about the Triumph trial at Cheltenham last Saturday.

Case of wait and see with Quel Esprit in the Gold Cup. I'm obviously hoping he wins the Hennessy a week next Sunday.

Sitting on any nice antepost vouchers yourself Mickey? Not long to go now to the best week of the year. I got a kick off a horse yesterday morning and my leg is fecked so I don't know whether I can travel over myself for this renewal!  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 31, 2012, 12:45:23 PM
Also got stuck into the 7/2 double on the Fly. I was able to double it with Quevega at 11/8 in my local bookies and had a good dig at it so the Tuesday will also make or break my week.
Apart from that I have backed Population for the bumper and also backed Divers for one of the handicap chases. I always look out for Ferdy Murphys runners in handicaps at Cheltenham and it can still be backed at 20/1.
Scotsirish looks like banker material in the cross county so ill also be getting involved soon on that. I cant see Sizing Europe being beat in the Champioin chase either.
I also have a sneaking suspicion that Al Ferof will run a big race in the Arkle.
Roll on the festival! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 31, 2012, 12:45:23 PM
Also got stuck into the 7/2 double on the Fly. I was able to double it with Quevega at 11/8 in my local bookies and had a good dig at it so the Tuesday will also make or break my week.
Apart from that I have backed Population for the bumper and also backed Divers for one of the handicap chases. I always look out for Ferdy Murphys runners in handicaps at Cheltenham and it can still be backed at 20/1.
Scotsirish looks like banker material in the cross county so ill also be getting involved soon on that.
I cant see Sizing Europe being beat in the Champioin chase either.
I also have a sneaking suspicion that Al Ferof will run a big race in the Arkle.
Roll on the festival!

Agree with all three of them. Divers will probably go for the Byrne Plate I'd assume.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 01:51:00 PM
I'm going!!  ;D

Good word floating around for McCain's Cinders & Ashes from 33/1 to 12/1 in the Supreme Novice and I will be backing Moscow Mannon (if it runs) after its very impressive win lto in the bumper  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Walsh is giving an absolute masterclass at Taunton today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on January 31, 2012, 03:24:11 PM
Unreal DH.  H has won th last two rces at a Canter and produced Dildar at the perfect time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Walsh is giving an absolute masterclass at Taunton today.

I'd love to know what sort of cash he's making per annum... must be pushing 7 figures.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Walsh is giving an absolute masterclass at Taunton today.

I'd love to know what sort of cash he's making per annum... must be pushing 7 figures.

Whatever he's makes he deserves it. He's riding at Down Royal tomorrow. Crazy schedule some of those lads get through during the winter months.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Walsh is giving an absolute masterclass at Taunton today.

I'd love to know what sort of cash he's making per annum... must be pushing 7 figures.

Whatever he's makes he deserves it. He's riding at Down Royal tomorrow. Crazy schedule some of those lads get through during the winter months.

A million quid for riding horses and going everywhere by private plane / helicopter.. Ruby is a genius horseman though. Met Andrew Lynch on Sunday, seemed confident about Sizing Europe
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Walsh is giving an absolute masterclass at Taunton today.

I'd love to know what sort of cash he's making per annum... must be pushing 7 figures.

Whatever he's makes he deserves it. He's riding at Down Royal tomorrow. Crazy schedule some of those lads get through during the winter months.

A million quid for riding horses and going everywhere by private plane / helicopter.. Ruby is a genius horseman though. Met Andrew Lynch on Sunday, seemed confident about Sizing Europe

Walsh and Geraghty will regularly be seen flying to Heathrow and Birmingham. I doubt either get much use out of a private plane/helicopter! Only McCoy has that luxury and he'll be slumming it with the rest if there's a Limerick match on and JP requires it!

Lynch is one of the most improved riders around. Seems to be retained on all of Potts' horses these days. We're fortunate to have some set of NH jockeys domestically - Walsh, Geraghty, Townend, Russell, Carberry, Condon and Lynch all top class.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 02, 2012, 11:42:01 AM
Right DH... Fancies? Midnight Club?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 02, 2012, 11:42:01 AM
Right DH... Fancies? Midnight Club?

Very trappy card. Leave it alone would be my advice and wait for the weekend. Hard to go against Willie but TMC has been off for a long time and he will hardly be fully tuned for this if all roads lead back to Liverpool.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 02, 2012, 01:37:56 PM
only fancies...  ???

1.40 Dushybeag
2.10 Is Herself About
2.40 Knockgraffon King
3.10 Sober Sailor
3.40 Leanne
4.10 Shane Rock
4.40 Mountain Lough
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 02, 2012, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Walsh is giving an absolute masterclass at Taunton today.

I'd love to know what sort of cash he's making per annum... must be pushing 7 figures.

McCoy is best paid of NH jocks because of retainer with JP.

Last year Ruby won £1.1m prizemoney in Uk, and 1.2m euro in ireland. after agent/valet lucky to have 200k ,maybe another 75k in riding fees  and won french champ hurdle so less than 300k overall . The sponsorship probably only covers riding fee cover expenses/flights etc. Once you get beyond McCoy, Ruby, Barry, Davy, Paul C the rest are earning a relative pittance.

Riding on flat is way more lucrative. As sportsmen go NH jocks get a raw deal.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403762_10150545397668681_160846353680_8940812_167190799_n.jpg)

Unamed foal [SEA THE STARS x ZARKAVA] Gilltown Stud, Co. Kildare.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 02, 2012, 10:43:19 PM
For sale DH? I'll offer £20k, would that swing it for me?

Majasam the name...  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 02, 2012, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on February 02, 2012, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Walsh is giving an absolute masterclass at Taunton today.

I'd love to know what sort of cash he's making per annum... must be pushing 7 figures.

McCoy is best paid of NH jocks because of retainer with JP.

Last year Ruby won £1.1m prizemoney in Uk, and 1.2m euro in ireland. after agent/valet lucky to have 200k ,maybe another 75k in riding fees  and won french champ hurdle so less than 300k overall . The sponsorship probably only covers riding fee cover expenses/flights etc. Once you get beyond McCoy, Ruby, Barry, Davy, Paul C the rest are earning a relative pittance.

Riding on flat is way more lucrative. As sportsmen go NH jocks get a raw deal.

How much do you think the sister's taking off him?!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 03, 2012, 12:03:43 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 02, 2012, 10:43:19 PM
For sale DH? I'll offer £20k, would that swing it for me?

Majasam the name...  8)

Will not set foot in the sales ring methinks unless the Aga starts running short of a few bob!!!!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 03, 2012, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 02, 2012, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on February 02, 2012, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 31, 2012, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Walsh is giving an absolute masterclass at Taunton today.

I'd love to know what sort of cash he's making per annum... must be pushing 7 figures.

McCoy is best paid of NH jocks because of retainer with JP.

Last year Ruby won £1.1m prizemoney in Uk, and 1.2m euro in ireland. after agent/valet lucky to have 200k ,maybe another 75k in riding fees  and won french champ hurdle so less than 300k overall . The sponsorship probably only covers riding fee cover expenses/flights etc. Once you get beyond McCoy, Ruby, Barry, Davy, Paul C the rest are earning a relative pittance.

Riding on flat is way more lucrative. As sportsmen go NH jocks get a raw deal.

How much do you think the sister's taking off him?!

Jennifer is taking 10% of him. Dont know who else she has these days but she was andrew mac's agent for a while too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 03, 2012, 10:32:38 AM
7.50 @ Dundalk Atlas Peak!! Check back on this thread until 30th April lastyear!! ;-) usual rules apply...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
Sizing Europe was fairly awesome yesterday and I'd have been a doubter in the past. He l ooks a penalty kick for back to back triumphs in the Champion Chase. Credible Grade 1 two milers are very thin on the ground at the moment. There's nearly as much depth in the Arkle at this stage.

Pleasing performance from Scotsirish and shouldn't go up too much in the handicap as a result. I'd say that was the thinking behind Patrick riding him so patiently. Hurricane Fly, Quevega and Scotsirish could all but seal the leading trainer title for WPM before Tuesday evening at Cheltenham!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on February 08, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
Could anyone do me a (strange) favour -

post up the full result from the 1.37 at Sprint Valley

;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 08, 2012, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: Clown on February 08, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
Could anyone do me a (strange) favour -

post up the full result from the 1.37 at Sprint Valley

;D

you might need to ring Willy Hill for that one...  :-\  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: Clown on February 08, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
Could anyone do me a (strange) favour -

post up the full result from the 1.37 at Sprint Valley

;D


Horse Racing Results:
   Go Back
SPRINTVALLEY, 13:37 5F SPRINT HANDICAP
Off Time:
Results    Name    Racecard No.    Jockey    SP
1st    Magic Yacht    (2)    Jobis Newson    20/1
2nd    Alamo Falls (2F)    (6)    Duncan Fox    4/1
3rd    Yeltzin    (7)    Garry Gates    12/1
Each Way Terms: Each Way odds 1/5 Places 1,2,3
Non-Runners:
Specials: No Specials Applied to this event
2nd Fav [Alamo Falls]     4/1     2nd
Unnamed Favourite          unplaced
Computer Straight Forecast    96.81       N/A
Computer Straight Tricast    1044.70


Almost as predictable as Wolves/Southwell etc....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clown on February 08, 2012, 02:28:39 PM
good man DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on February 08, 2012, 04:38:28 PM
5.00 Kempton Catchy Tune
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 11:46:37 PM
The Hennessy field is falling apart by the hour (Synchronised far from a certain runner either) with Quel Esprit now as short as 11/8  :o

Still big prices available for the big one next month so might be worth a little antepost punt now. Hopefully could be in a good post race position come Sunday evening to lay off at a much shorter price. Given the paucity of genuine Grade 1 three mile chasers around at the moment I reckon he could go off a single figure price on the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on February 09, 2012, 12:55:15 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 08, 2012, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: Clown on February 08, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
Could anyone do me a (strange) favour -

post up the full result from the 1.37 at Sprint Valley

;D

you might need to ring Willy Hill for that one...  :-\  ???

I know you have your result but for future refernce lads this website is the easiest and quickest for getting those virtual results as well as rapido, 49ers, irish lotto:

http://www.49s.co.uk/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 09, 2012, 11:52:46 AM
Are the novice hurdlers entered in the Supreme novices likely to get another run under their belts before their next run? Its just that I havent made my mind on this and it seems wide open. Would like to see another run from a few of them before making up my mind.

I was well impressed with Steps to freedom last year and I quite like the profile of distant memories which was put up by DH. However, he would need to improve his jumping from looking at his last run to have any chance?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 09, 2012, 12:23:00 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 09, 2012, 11:52:46 AM
Are the novice hurdlers entered in the Supreme novices likely to get another run under their belts before their next run? Its just that I havent made my mind on this and it seems wide open. Would like to see another run from a few of them before making up my mind.

I was well impressed with Steps to freedom last year and I quite like the profile of distant memories which was put up by DH. However, he would need to improve his jumping from looking at his last run to have any chance?

Running at Dundalk tomorrow week I understand so no opportunity to improve his resistance to obstacles there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 09, 2012, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 09, 2012, 11:52:46 AM
Are the novice hurdlers entered in the Supreme novices likely to get another run under their belts before their next run?

That's be some trick.  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 09, 2012, 12:51:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 09, 2012, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 09, 2012, 11:52:46 AM
Are the novice hurdlers entered in the Supreme novices likely to get another run under their belts before their next run?

That's be some trick.  :)

Ha obv meant to write before they get a run in the big race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 09, 2012, 03:32:49 PM
Form of Steps To Freedom hasn't really worked out with both Prospect Wells and Ericht disappointing since.

Presume Distant Memories will go to Naas again for a novice on the 26th which Go Native won a few years ago. He'd want to be winning that well if Taaffe has any intention of going to Cheltenham. Midnight Game looks like he's going the right way and had Distant Memories in trouble when he made his mistake two out the last day. Interesting to see if he takes on Captain Conan, Cash And Go and Lord Windermere (very promising horse IMO) on Sunday in the Deloitte. Picture should become clearer in the next week or ten days when Henderson gets his string out for their preps.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 09, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/v5horseinfo?prt=444607 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5horseinfo?prt=444607)

Someone in the horse names department of the Turf Club should be clearing his desk!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on February 09, 2012, 10:02:09 PM
Took me a minute to get that, had to say it out loud before I realised.

Was it Wayne Rooney or another footballer who had 'Norfolk Enchants' and 'Hoof Hearted' turned down or am I imagining that?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 10, 2012, 03:10:42 PM
Why did Henderson not enter Long Run for the Leopardstown when Newbury was always likely to be off? Seems a very strange move especially when he's ok to send Captain Conan over for the Deloitte.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 10, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
Johnny's Legacy fancied to overturn the fav in the 7-50... 5/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on February 10, 2012, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 10, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
Johnny's Legacy fancied to overturn the fav in the 7-50... 5/2

Credit where its due - good man sammy  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 10, 2012, 08:05:31 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 10, 2012, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 10, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
Johnny's Legacy fancied to overturn the fav in the 7-50... 5/2

Credit where its due - good man sammy  :D

Once in a while eh?  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on February 11, 2012, 01:57:14 PM
Got word for Ninetieth Minute at 4:00 Naas, this came from the track. However, SHINROCK PADDY is the 6/4 fav in the race and is well fancied so dunno!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 12, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 11:46:37 PM
The Hennessy field is falling apart by the hour (Synchronised far from a certain runner either) with Quel Esprit now as short as 11/8  :o

Still big prices available for the big one next month so might be worth a little antepost punt now. Hopefully could be in a good post race position come Sunday evening to lay off at a much shorter price. Given the paucity of genuine Grade 1 three mile chasers around at the moment I reckon he could go off a single figure price on the day.

Good shout DH, he jumped well and did the job nicely. Got a bit on for the big one last week and the winnings from today makes it a free bet.
cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 12, 2012, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 12, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 11:46:37 PM
The Hennessy field is falling apart by the hour (Synchronised far from a certain runner either) with Quel Esprit now as short as 11/8  :o

Still big prices available for the big one next month so might be worth a little antepost punt now. Hopefully could be in a good post race position come Sunday evening to lay off at a much shorter price. Given the paucity of genuine Grade 1 three mile chasers around at the moment I reckon he could go off a single figure price on the day.

Good shout DH, he jumped well and did the job nicely. Got a bit on for the big one last week and the winnings from today makes it a free bet.
cheers

It's maybe stretching it a bit to think he'll win the Gold Cup but he'll be hard to keep out of a place if he jumps round. Extra 2f will be no bother to him.

Last Instalment looks a very impressive novice and will take the beating in the Sun Alliance regardless of what race Grands Curs runs in. That race is always won by the horse that has the heart for it and Last Instalment certainly has that.

Big turn up in the novice hurdle. They could be 10/1 the field for the Supreme Novices this year!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 13, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 27, 2012, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on January 27, 2012, 09:25:18 PM
Heading to Leopardstown tomorrow. Any one any ideas of what could go well? Was going to back Hinterland but last time I went for Boston Bob instead, Hinterland is 2/1 so that does not excite me that much. Cant see anything at the moment so maybe just go with the flow I suppose.

The Boylesport hurdle is very competitive but that means nice big prices for every horse  :)

There's a few that catch my eye,Dul ar an ol i know is highly regarded by his yard but he'll need plenty of rain to get involved this time, Plan A is a horse of Gordon Eliotts i've won a few pound on before but can't have him tomorrow, i'd say he could be one of the favourites but he never seems to find much off the bridle so is likely to find at least a few to out battle him, what a charm who beat Plan A at Cheltenham is sure to have been trained to be ready for a race like this and Arthur Moores horse could be the one to beat but i rarely back horses with single figure odds in big handicaps like this unless i really fancy them!

The 1 i'm likely to have a little wager on at a massive price i suspect is Zaarito-he's been chasing for the last 2 years or so and was expected to shape into a top novice chaser back in '09 but always tends to make a mistake over them and either falls or has blown his chance by then but in races he's stayed up in he wasn't too far off horses of the calibre of Golden silver and Noble prince and if he takes the step back into hurdling well could run a big race and at  about 25/1 or so and a few bookies surely offering 5 places i could see him running a big race!

So watch how Plan A hacks up after battling it out with Dul ar an ol on the run in and Zaarito finishes last of all-ha!

I hope someone pays a bit of heed to me-a 12/1 winner when you're full as a monkey is always nice!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 13, 2012, 05:30:12 PM
(http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/racing/refusetobendwinsguineas.jpg)

Refuse To Bend RIP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on February 13, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
DH is their a chance Last Instalment will run in the GC? After seeing QE yesterday i doubt he will win a GC or come anywhere near it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 13, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on February 13, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
DH is their a chance Last Instalment will run in the GC? After seeing QE yesterday i doubt he will win a GC or come anywhere near it

No chance unfortunately. He's not entered for it.

I would agree that in most years Quel Esprit wouldn't have much of a chance in a Gold Cup but it's a very poor year. Looking at the entries he'd beat most of them without much fuss. Long Run and Kauto Star are the obvious exceptions but one is a 12yo who was well beaten in the race last year and the other is a poorish jumper ridden by a poor jockey. I think if he jumps around QE will run on for a place. No guarantee that the front two in the market will run to their respective prices either. I don't think he can be dismissed out of hand.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 14, 2012, 12:55:35 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/12/02/14/manual_104152.html&BID=464 (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/12/02/14/manual_104152.html&BID=464)

Grand national weights published. One horse that jumps off the page at me is Gordon Elliots chicago grey. When he ran at Cheltenham the last time he was dropped out the back and given no chance by Carberry. One of those rides where you think he isnt trying a tap and they are saving that nag for a big hit another day. I cant see anywhere that its entered at Cheltenham, would have thought one of the long distance staying handicaps would be right up his street. DH any thoughts ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 14, 2012, 03:47:37 PM
Can't say I'd be that pushed on Chicago Grey for Liverpool. I don't think his running style is particularly suit to the race.

Treacle and The Midnight Club are two I'd be interested in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Oak Leafer on February 14, 2012, 05:09:02 PM
 Probably should have posted this a bit sooner but just wanted to highlight the recent achievement of Hitchens (owned by a Derry and Tyrone man) out in Dubai!

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/67286/hitchens-edges-krypton-factor-in-al-shindagha



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on February 15, 2012, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 14, 2012, 03:47:37 PM
Can't say I'd be that pushed on Chicago Grey for Liverpool. I don't think his running style is particularly suit to the race.

Treacle and The Midnight Club are two I'd be interested in.

Good luck getting prices on them from now to the race, Tom Segal put Treacle up as his main bet and said he fancies TMC as well this morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on February 15, 2012, 11:36:15 AM
Don't know if he is still around but heres a horse that may interest him today.

2.05 Fairyhouse No. 2 Budweiser
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 15, 2012, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: boojangles on February 15, 2012, 11:36:15 AM
Don't know if he is still around but heres a horse that may interest him today.

2.05 Fairyhouse No. 2 Budweiser

Seen that Boojangles but i just got a text about another horse in that race FFS, Case and Point, an each way one though so.......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 03:36:01 PM
Graham Lee in the wars yet again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
Last Instalment misses Cheltenham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on February 15, 2012, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
Last Instalment misses Cheltenham

Aww Fuc*k Why?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 15, 2012, 06:29:43 PM
Lee's having a tough time of it,he's not long back from injury! Is LA def out DH?Have him backed already  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 15, 2012, 06:29:43 PM
Lee's having a tough time of it,he's not long back from injury! Is LA def out DH?Have him backed already  :'(

Reportedly very stiff after the Moriarty and Fenton is roughing him off for the season.

Possible that O'Leary is sorting out his possible runners and Last Instalment is deemed too good to risk on the likely quicker ground? Looking like First Lieutenant for the three miler, Sir Des Champs for the 2m5 and Bog Warrior to wait for the Powers Gold Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 15, 2012, 07:35:52 PM
Ah well it's only a few pound,let's just hope he's back at 100 percent next year! Any word on Carberrys injury?Have a few euro e/w on Dylan Ross for the supreme and i really hope he's about for the ride!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on February 15, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
Has Pipe made a decision on where Grand Crus runs yet ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2012, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: beer baron on February 15, 2012, 07:35:52 PM
Ah well it's only a few pound,let's just hope he's back at 100 percent next year! Any word on Carberrys injury?Have a few euro e/w on Dylan Ross for the supreme and i really hope he's about for the ride!

Paul will be back next week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on February 17, 2012, 03:43:47 PM
Gold Cup wide open after today's near scare for Long Run
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on February 17, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
i wouldnt say the gold cup was that wide open anyhow Flavia Tatiana 2 win the last at dundalk
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on February 17, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on February 17, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
i wouldnt say the gold cup was that wide open anyhow Flavia Tatiana 2 win the last at dundalk

or maybe not  :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 17, 2012, 11:46:15 PM
Even money about the Rubi Light/Zaidpour double tomorrow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 18, 2012, 03:16:07 AM
What about adding Keys for the Treble DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 18, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Keys wasnt good enough. DH you are well back on form these times.

Bino looked back to his best today. Doubtful whether that good enough to beat the fly but a little more interesting than it was shaping up to be.

Riverside Theatre and Rubi Light have the Ryanair between them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 18, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
Ruby was shite today. Staying in tonight  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 18, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
I'll probably sound like Ted tidying up on rte for him but didnt see that Ruby did much wrong today Lecale.  The two fallers were beaten at the time.  Kauto Stone might be like the half brother and hate the rain.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2012, 08:13:52 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on February 18, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
I'll probably sound like Ted tidying up on rte for him but didnt see that Ruby did much wrong today Lecale.  The two fallers were beaten at the time.  Kauto Stone might be like the half brother and hate the rain.

Kauto Stone might be like his full-brother (Kauto Relko) and just be shite! Nicholls' horses ran poorly today and yesterday but he always tends to have a bit of a lean spell at this time of year.

Straightforward opportunity for Micky D tomorrow as he continues on the comeback trail. Thought he was gone at the start of the season but he looks like he's getting back to some sort of form. Very impressed with the way he galloped to the line at Naas last time. Interesting place chance for the Stayers Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on February 18, 2012, 08:18:33 PM
You're right! Just pissed off at losing.  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 18, 2012, 08:31:43 PM
Might be a bit of hype about Kauto Stone alright but dont think he is shite... won a grade 1 uner Paul Carberry at Down Royal and would have won aTingle Creek if Sizing stayed at home. Think he might be better than he showed today,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2012, 08:48:57 PM
I don't think he's up to much to be honest. The Down Royal race was very soft - Roi Du Mee who finished second is very moderate. He was twenty lengths behind Apt Approach at Tramore over Christmas and that horse was mullered by Rubi Light today. Blazing Tempo probably didn't run to form off the back of a very hard race in the Kerry National.

Interestingly Liz Doyle has another unraced half-brother who holds entries next week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 18, 2012, 08:58:38 PM
Tingle Creek 2nd though ?

Was Kauto Stone the one Ruby talked about training for National ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2012, 09:19:10 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on February 18, 2012, 08:58:38 PM
Tingle Creek 2nd though ?

Was Kauto Stone the one Ruby talked about training for National ?

Probably wasn't a particularly strong renewal of the Tingle Creek. The English two milers are as bad as our three milers. Sizing won it with any amount in hand and it will probably be the same stroy at Cheltenham.

Can't imagine Kauto Stone will ever be asked to jump the big fences at Liverpool. I've never seen him in the flesh but he appears to be quite a small horse judging by the tv pictures.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 20, 2012, 03:27:34 PM
Nicholls worried about yard. Some horses coughinh and has cancelled a media day on Wednesday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 21, 2012, 03:43:24 PM
Anyone know much about this Moscow Mannon in the champion bumper. Hearing that JP is mad to get buying it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2012, 10:18:45 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 21, 2012, 03:43:24 PM
Anyone know much about this Moscow Mannon in the champion bumper. Hearing that JP is mad to get buying it.

Owner should be biting his arm off IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 21, 2012, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 21, 2012, 03:43:24 PM
Anyone know much about this Moscow Mannon in the champion bumper. Hearing that JP is mad to get buying it.

What' Jps obsession with buying bumper horses?Apparently he forked out big bucks for venture capital and Thomas Edison too.He could do with taking a leaf out of the Gigginstown book and pick up a few point to pointers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2012, 11:30:01 PM
O'Leary has bought his share of duds too to be fair. His business like approach is not comparable to McManus though. O'Leary sells on any of his horses that aren't deemed up to scratch every summer. JP is in the game purely because it is his passion. He very rarely will sell a horse on or move the horse to a different yard - apart from a few regressive types that are sent from yards over here to race in lower grades over in England (Arbor Supreme gone from Mullins' to Jonjo's recently for example).

Fail to see the reasoning behind the obsession with buying up bumper horses. Bumpers are essentially schooling races whatever way they're dressed up. At least in p2ps you get an idea of whether a horse can actually jump. The list of top bumper animals that have failed over obstacles is endless. I was personally fortunate to have part owned two horses that won bumpers. We sold both of them after they had won their bumpers but neither of them ever won, or even came near to winning, a race over timber. Contrast that to Moscow Flyer who couldn't win a bumper in four attempts.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 22, 2012, 12:45:49 AM
Any fancies 2moro lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on February 22, 2012, 11:45:37 AM
Silvestre deSousa to join Godolphin to replace Richard Hills.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 22, 2012, 01:52:33 PM
RIP Royal Academy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThhBVc0bA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThhBVc0bA)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 23, 2012, 08:50:02 AM
What about Distant memories DH? Will it head to Cheltenham do u think? Will it there without another run?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 23, 2012, 10:56:36 AM
Not looking good Mickey. He's 113 on Betfair and not even entered at Naas on Sunday which was probably he last chance for a prep run. Haven't a clue as regards the Supreme now. Tetlami has impressed me most of the English horses but he mightn't even be Henderson's third choice.

Had a decent bet on Monksland for the Neptune last weekend. Two out of the three horses ahead of him in the market currently will probably end up in different races.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 23, 2012, 01:07:54 PM
Hanagan's got Richard Hills old job,fair play to him,could see a change in fortunes  for Al Maktoum now the other boy's gone
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/hanagan-named-as-first-jockey-to-sheikh-hamdan/991240/top/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 23, 2012, 01:16:29 PM
2 "tips" floating about today...
Huntingdon 2.00 Zennor
Thurles 2.40 Sensational Sema (think its Fav though)

Usual no blame rules apply
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 23, 2012, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 23, 2012, 01:16:29 PM
2 "tips" floating about today...
Huntingdon 2.00 Zennor
Thurles 2.40 Sensational Sema (think its Fav though)

Usual no blame rules apply

I've never seen a worse day for results in my life...  ::)
4/6 fav at Thurles, absolutely nowhere and the first three are 25/1 and above!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 23, 2012, 07:40:47 PM
Good video of Ruby talking to Pat Keane ...

http://www.fatjockey.com/news-blogs/racing_news.php?Ruby-s-Cheltenham-Preview-25 (http://www.fatjockey.com/news-blogs/racing_news.php?Ruby-s-Cheltenham-Preview-25)

Anyone doing the paddy power ruby special .the fly,quevega, big bucks, and kauto all to win at 22/1 ? 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 23, 2012, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 23, 2012, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 23, 2012, 01:16:29 PM
2 "tips" floating about today...
Huntingdon 2.00 Zennor
Thurles 2.40 Sensational Sema (think its Fav though)

Usual no blame rules apply

I've never seen a worse day for results in my life...  ::)
4/6 fav at Thurles, absolutely nowhere and the first three are 25/1 and above!!

Favourite's graveyard Candy... Keep the powder dry for 3 weeks now as there are too many duds running about
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 23, 2012, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 23, 2012, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 23, 2012, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 23, 2012, 01:16:29 PM
2 "tips" floating about today...
Huntingdon 2.00 Zennor
Thurles 2.40 Sensational Sema (think its Fav though)

Usual no blame rules apply

I've never seen a worse day for results in my life...  ::)
4/6 fav at Thurles, absolutely nowhere and the first three are 25/1 and above!!

Favourite's graveyard Candy... Keep the powder dry for 3 weeks now as there are too many duds running about

Wasnt on the fav in that race, just thought the result summed up the day perfectly!!   :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 24, 2012, 01:04:13 PM
Just got a tip for Cerium 3.45 War, 9/1

Dont know the source so im just passing on the bad luck.

into 8s,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 24, 2012, 02:25:04 PM
bit late but been told that 2.35 Warwick – Lively Baron should do the biz 11/10
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 24, 2012, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on February 24, 2012, 02:25:04 PM
bit late but been told that 2.35 Warwick – Lively Baron should do the biz 11/10

I hope your right Sammy!!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on February 24, 2012, 02:43:29 PM
Winner! with a bit of good fortune
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 24, 2012, 02:45:11 PM
Lively Baron wins by 20+ lengths!!!!

(Only because the 16/1 outsider of the field who was cruising and 2lengths in front fell at the 2nd last)  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on February 24, 2012, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 24, 2012, 02:45:11 PM
Lively Baron wins by 20+ lengths!!!!

(Only because the 16/1 outsider of the field who was cruising and 2lengths in front fell at the 2nd last)  :o

its a jumping game.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2012, 02:51:29 PM
Glad I snapped up the 14s on Monksland. Tumbling in price all the time. Fingal Bay only 50/50 to run now.

Interesting to see how Minsk gets on tomorrow. He's the second coming of Hardy Eustace if the vibes from Hughes' yard are to be believed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 24, 2012, 03:27:33 PM
Anyone heading to any of the preview nights in the next few weeks? Im heading to the one in Belfast. Only muddies the water further in my opinion but is usually a good night.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 24, 2012, 03:53:51 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 24, 2012, 02:45:11 PM
Lively Baron wins by 20+ lengths!!!!

(Only because the 16/1 outsider of the field who was cruising and 2lengths in front fell at the 2nd last)  :o

mini boom!!  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
Quote from: CHELTENHAM PREVIEW 2012 EXETER

The Panel consisted of
Paul Nicholls
David Pipe
Philip Hobbs
Paul Binfield representing sponsors Paddy Power
Nick Williams
Andrew King (Racing Post)
Paul Jones (Cheltenham Trends)
Zoey Bird, Compère

DAY 1
1.30 Supreme Novices' Hurdle 2m 1/2f
This is clearly a very open race and there was no clear selection from the panel
Philip Hobbs stated Colour Sergeant was fine after his recent fall, and should go very well
Paul Nicholls says Prospect Wells is very classy at home, and goes there with a decent chance, allowing for poor effort last time
Paul Jones thinks Simonsig will run Neptune, but if running in the Supreme would win
Steps to Freedom has the best form, whilst Midnight Game is improving
Andrew King thought Darlan had a good chance
Paul Binfield thought Galileo's Choice was the best of the Irish

2.05 Irish Independent Arkle Challenge Trophy Steeple Chase 2m
Paul Binfield said it was quite possible Sprinter Sacre could go off at odds on
Paul Nicholls thought Sprinter Sacre was by no means certain to stay as he has done all his top class form on flat tracks
Philip Hobbs says Menorah jumps well at home, but does make the odd mistake, which he will need to avoid on the day
Doesn't think anything can beat Sprinter Sacre
Paul Jones says Sprinter Sacre is the one to beat, reminded us the best "hurdler�� often wins the Arkle, and that would be Peddlers Cross
David Pipe thought Sprinter Sacre had too much pace for the rest
Andrew King wanted to oppose Sprinter Sacre big time, doesn't think Cheltenham will suit, similar to the Supreme last year

2.40 William Hill Trophy Handicap Steeple Chase 3m 1/2f
Not a lot on this race
David Pipe said The Package should run well in this race, although the Grand National was his main aim
Massini's Maguire may also take his chance

3.20 Smurfit Kappa Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy 2m 1/2f
Paul Binfield thought Zarkandar had a decent chance of beating Hurricane Fly
Paul Nicholls thought he had a chance and would be better than he was at Newbury
Also said Zarkandar was on anti-biotics and would finish the course next couple days, but seemed OK
Also thought Rock on Ruby was way overpriced on form with Binocular
Brampour will run and may have EW squeak, Celestial Halo will take his chance
Andrew King thought Binocular was the EW bet, impressed with last win

4.00 Glenfarclas Cross Country Handicap Steeple Chase 3m 7f
Nothing on this race discussed in detail
Paul Jones asked Philip Hobbs about Balthazar King, and I thought he got quite a positive response to his chances 14-1 EW not the worse bet in this race

4.40 David Nicholson Mares' Hurdle Race 2m 4f
Nobody can see Quevega being beaten
However Nick Williams was very keen on Swinford Flame's chance Each Way

5.15 Centenary Novice handicap Chase 2m 4.5f
Again not a lot discussed although Criqtonic mentioned as having a decent chance

DAY 2
1.30 National Hunt Steeple Chase Challenge Cup 4m
Nothing mentioned

2.05 Neptune Investment  Novices' Hurdle 2m 5f
Philip Hobbs said Fingal Bay was 50/50 after injuring a hamstring
Paul Jones thought Boston Bob had the soundest chance, indeed had the best novice hurdle form at the meeting
Also didn't think Simonsig would win this if running
Andrew King thought it was between Fingal bay and Boston Bob
Paul Nicholls said he had been told this would be Boston Bob's target

2.40 RSA Steeple Chase 3m 1/2f
David Pipe said Grand Crus was in great form at home, probably wouldn't decide on the race, until the 5 day decs.
Andrew king thought Bobs Worth would go well, but Grand Crus would win if running
Paul Nicholls said Join Together has won twice at the course, and would stay on as well as anything in the race
Paul Jones respected Invictus and Bobs Worth who is 3/3 at Cheltenham
Indeed thought Bobs Worth EW at 5-1 was one of the best bets at the meeting

3.20 Sportingbet Queen Mother Champion Steeple Chase 2m
Paul Binfield thought Big Zeb was the better bet at the prices
Philip Hobbs says Wishfull Thinking has breathing problems, not sure they are resolved still he is not quite right.
Paul Jones thinks Sizing Europe is the best chaser in training anything above Evens is a decent bet
Andrew King thought Wishfull Thinking at his best would be interesting

4.00 Coral Cup (Handicap Hurdle) 2m 5f
Lots of horses but no information specific to the Coral Cup, most horses are multiple entries

4.40 Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle 2m 1/2f
Hinterland will run in this race and hopefully go well

5.15 Weatherbys Champion Bumper (Open NH Flat Race) 2m 1/2f
Paul Binfield thinks Sword of Honour is a decent EW bet
Philip Hobbs thought Village Vic would run very well
Andrew King likes New Years Eve and Population
Paul Jones said that the top BHA rated horse on the flat do run well in this race, and Moscow Mannon would be the horse backed on the day
Nick Williams said Horatio Hornblower was nice horse and would run, if the going had "soft�� in it

DAY 3
1.30 Jewson Novices' Handicap Steeple Chase 2m 5f
Paul Nicholls said Cristal Bonus was running on Saturday and should go well, and then would run in this race, as long as going was soft enough
Nick Williams thought For Non Stop had a good chance but no more than that
Paul Jones thought he had never seen Ruby Walsh look happier than the last time he got off Cristal Bonus who jumps for fun, also likes Sir Des Champs, winner would come form one of these two
Andrew king thought For Non Stop could go off favourite and was the most likely winner

2.05 Pertemps Final Handicap Hurdle) 3m
David Pipe expected Buena Vista to run well again, he had been concerned from two races ago, when he seemed to lose form, but last run was pretty good
Buena Vista still has a chance on official rating
Paul Nicholls was keen on Sonofvic, 20-1 seems a decent price

2.40 Ryanair Chase 2m 5f
Paul Binfield said Noble Prince is the selection here, last race, ground was too soft
Massive chance this time
David pipe thought Great Endeavour had a really good chance which would improve on better going
Andrew King thought it was between Somersby and Great Endeavour
Paul Jones thought Somersby was very good EW bet, but not sure he wouldn't go for the Queen Mother Chase.
Great Endeavour and  Medermit needed to find around 7lbs

3.20 Ladbrokes World Hurdle 3m
Paul Nicholls said Big Buck's was Ok, no cough
Indeed he said the older horses all seem Ok, it's just the younger ones who have shown some signs
Big Buck's has come on from last run
He did think Oscar Whisky would be his toughest challenger yet
David Pipe said Big Buck's was certainty and that Dynaste was playing for one of the places
Paul Jones wished they would run Thousand Stars in this race rather than Champion Hurdle

4.00 Byrne Group Plate Handicap Steeple Chase 2m 5f
Paul Nicholls said Crack Away Jack would run here, seemed quite keen on a decent run as well I thought
David Pipe said Salut Flo was entered in just about every race; there was some money for this one yesterday in this race

4.40 Fulke Walwyn Kim Muir Challenge Cup Handicap Steeple Chase 3m 1 1/2f
No discussion on this race

5.15 St Patricks Day Derby (Charity race)
No discussion on this race {Editor's note – I should bloody well think not!!    }

DAY 4
1.30 JCB Triumph Hurdle 2m 1f
Minsk is the favourite for this race, not run all season – unbelievable.
Philip Hobbs said Sadlers Risk runs this Saturday, very happy with him
Nick Williams said Urbain De Sivola would run if ground was on the soft side
Paul Nicholls said Pearl Swan has the best form so far of his horses, but also said Dildar runs this Saturday, against Sadlers Risk
I got the impression he has very high hopes for Dildar
Andrew king liked Grumeti and Pearl Swan
Paul Jones thought Minsk could go off as low at 2-1, as his flat form is far in excess of anything else
Paul Binfield likes Darroun
Paul Nicholls did say he wouldn't be surprised if Minsk never ran either this weekend or at Cheltenham!

2.05 Vincent O'Brien County Handicap Hurdle 2m 1f
Philip Hobbs said Snap Tie is in good form, he reported this last year but the horse never got in, hasn't run for two years, so you'd want a very big price, not sure 33-1 is big enough to tempt me

2.40 Albert Bartlett Novices' Hurdle 3m
Paul Nicholls very keen on Rocky Creek
As mentioned earlier he believes Boston Bob will go to the Neptune
Andrew King thought Rocky Creek would go off 7-2 if Boston Bob was NR, so 10-1 at the moment was excellent
Paul Jones was not taken by Brindisi Breeze last run, not up to the standard to win this race

3.20 totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup Steeple Chase 3m 2 1/2f
Much of this was taken up discussing the merits of Long Run's last run, and whether Grand Crus would run
Paul Jones thought the front two were vulnerable, and that Weird Al was the best bet at 20-1
Andrew king thought What a Friend EW, although Paul Nicholls dismissed this saying 3rd was his best chance if everyone turned up
Paul Nicholls said Kauto Star was in top form at home, as good as he has seen him
Wasn't sure Long Run had trained on, and that meant there was not a lot between them
Philip Hobbs was asked about Captain Chris, he said he has always jumped right, so that was not an issue as such, however he was not at his best IF HE RAN it would be Ryanair or Gold Cup, however then said he wouldn't really want more than 3 miles, so I give him next to no chance of running in the Gold Cup, and I got the impression he was by no means certain to run at the Festival

4.00 Christie's Foxhunter Steeple Chase 3m 2 1/2f
No discussion, although couple of tips at the end

4.40 Martin Pipe Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle 2m 4 1/2f
As usual; David Pipe gets questioned on this race, however he said it is very difficult to even get a horse in this race, he tried with Grand Crus a couple years ago, but couldn't as he had an OR of only 124
A few mentioned and maybe the most likely is Salut Flo if this

5.15 Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Steeple Chase 2m 1/2f
No discussion on this race

Charity Bets
Andrew King    Rocky Creek                 Albert Bartlett
Paul Jones        On The fringe               Foxhunters
Zoey Bird         Scotsirish                  Cross Country
Nick Williams   Swincombe Flame EW    David Nicholson Mares
Paul Nicholls    Chapoturgeon              Foxhunters
David Pipe        Alfie Spinner                National Hunt Chase
Paul Binfield     Salsify                          Foxhunters
Philip Hobbs    Sadlers Risk               Triumph

It's amazing how ignorant of the Irish form some of the UK national hunt set are.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 25, 2012, 03:07:22 PM
Triumph Hurdle markets gets a major shake up.

I wouldnt write Sadlers Risk off but not sure what to make of Minsk after that. Surprised at Hobbs talking down Snap Tie in that preview.Dickie was talking him up in his tips on this  http://www.fatjockey.com/tips/ (http://www.fatjockey.com/tips/).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 25, 2012, 04:51:55 PM
Although Burrenbridge Lodge and Bat Masterson are no stars by any stretch of the imagination, I wouldn't totally dismiss Minsk off the back of that run. He was way too short beforehand in the betting but he might just be a fraction too big now. He'll enjoy the better ground and the stiffer test around Cheltenham. I really rate young Cooper but he didn't make use of the horse's undoubted stamina at all.

Haven't really looked at the Triumph in any great detail but I still think Darroun could run a big race. His defeat of DK's horse at Leopardstown is by far the best Irish juvenile form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 25, 2012, 11:16:00 PM
As you know, you are time enough looking at Triumph DH. Darroun has a good write up in previews I have seen. Tom Segal said Nicholls really likes Pearl Swan on Morning line last week so might be a case of backing whatever Ruby picks. Hobbs/King have best of English. Henderson has nothing for it this year. Backed Baby Run last time and cant forgive it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on February 26, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
minsk out off cheltenham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mb80b60 on February 27, 2012, 12:21:20 PM
Afternoon lads. I'm a long time lurker on the board, particularly on this thread - thought I'd finally bite the bullet and post!

Lads do ye see Hurricane Fly getting beat at Cheltenham.  i lumped on the 7/2 for it to win both hurdles and im considering whether or not to lay.

Cheers,
MB
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 27, 2012, 12:37:18 PM
On Khee will win the 16.15 at Plumpton but I see it is now 5/6 was 9/2 when I was told.

Le Chasse Spleen is apparently a decent e/w bet at 14/1 with Ladbrokes. 15.15 Plumpton.

I know nothing about harsies. The person who told me supposedly does


Got above statement of a general gambling thread on a poker forum, do with it as u wish.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 27, 2012, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: mb80b60 on February 27, 2012, 12:21:20 PM
Afternoon lads. I'm a long time lurker on the board, particularly on this thread - thought I'd finally bite the bullet and post!

Lads do ye see Hurricane Fly getting beat at Cheltenham.  i lumped on the 7/2 for it to win both hurdles and im considering whether or not to lay.

Cheers,
MB

Do not lay a bit of it i've the same bet done but only for a few pound,going to lump on on the day,can't see him being overly troubled by anything at all and with the English being the English i'm hoping the hype grows around Zarkandar and Binocular so i might get evens for the Hurricane  ;)!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on February 27, 2012, 01:52:01 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 27, 2012, 12:37:18 PM
On Khee will win the 16.15 at Plumpton but I see it is now 5/6 was 9/2 when I was told.

Le Chasse Spleen is apparently a decent e/w bet at 14/1 with Ladbrokes. 15.15 Plumpton.

I know nothing about harsies. The person who told me supposedly does


Got above statement of a general gambling thread on a poker forum, do with it as u wish.

While you were betting on 2 snails crossing a path, when you were leaving the toss?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on February 27, 2012, 03:09:05 PM
Does anyone know of any links online which show UK racing for free (without having to place a bet on a bookmakers site)? Thanks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 27, 2012, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: gaa.boy on February 27, 2012, 03:09:05 PM
Does anyone know of any links online which show UK racing for free (without having to place a bet on a bookmakers site)? Thanks.

Betfair (betfair.com) has all Irish and  pretty much all British racing live. Register and post a minimum deposit (can't remember how much that is) and you can watch racing and loads of other sports.

Technically, you have to have a bet on the event to watch, but you can overcome that by placing a bet that won't be matched (e.g. €2 to win on the favourite at an asking price of 20/1), click through to the video coverage, then cancel the bet or let it lapse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on February 27, 2012, 07:46:17 PM
have the same bet done on hurrican fly for a few hundred also have him at 6/4 nrnb for same amount and i wont be layin off
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
Barring a disaster Hurricane Fly will win. Should even be shorter than his current odds. I can't believe that so many are making a case for a few horses that aren't in the same league as him. He'll make Zarkandar look like a canal boat.

Quevega will probably be 1/3 at the off if the Fly and Scotsirish do the business.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 27, 2012, 10:03:26 PM
DH... In short, lump on HF and Quevega Double for the tuesday?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on February 27, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
Was just planning my Cheltenham strategy there. On the 1st day i can't get away from lumping on Hurricane and Quevega. Don't know whether to take prices now or hope  that the bookies take on the Hurricane.

Always do a pre Cheltenham ante post accum and for ther 1st time ever i'm fairly confident it will come in.
Hurricane Fly, Quevega, Sizing Europe, Big Bucks [ plus i added Crossmaglen for all ireland at pre semi stage ] 17/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2012, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Candyman on February 27, 2012, 10:03:26 PM
DH... In short, lump on HF and Quevega Double for the tuesday?

Very difficult to see either of them beaten. If I could only have one bet over the four days it would be on Quevega.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on February 27, 2012, 10:43:09 PM
Enough said...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 27, 2012, 11:44:31 PM
Fans of Kauto Star might be interested in the 22/1 at Paddy Power on HF, Quevega, Big Buck's and the Star. For a small punt, it could turn into a decent sum on the old boy for the Big One. And I do realise sentiment shouldn't come into betting but in this case I'm willing to make an exception.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 28, 2012, 04:22:41 AM
14/1on bet365 so there def value if your gonna back kauto in the GC
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 28, 2012, 10:16:00 AM
Great offer from Paddy Power for those of us wanting to take on the Arkle favourite

(http://www.irishracing.com/photo_jpeg/U000012688368051.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 28, 2012, 10:49:05 AM
Seen that DH, Ruby must be on the payroll at PP, did you see his tweet this morning. ''get on mount Al ferof with paddy powers, money back if sprinter sacre wins, up to £100. has to be value''
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 29, 2012, 10:54:25 AM
Im sure u will have your eye on the weights today DH? Anything in particular you are keeping an eye out for? I remember last year you said Sir Des Champs was the best hanicapped horse in Ireland which was some shout!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 29, 2012, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 29, 2012, 10:54:25 AM
Im sure u will have your eye on the weights today DH? Anything in particular you are keeping an eye out for? I remember last year you said Sir Des Champs was the best hanicapped horse in Ireland which was some shout!

I haven't even looked at the entries yet to be honest but I'd be very interested to see what mark Moon Dice gets in the County Hurdle. He was given a poor ride by Tom Doyle in the Greatwood getting him into all sorts of trouble in running but he was still only beaten a few lengths. The new course will suit him even better and he'd be a cracking e/w bet if he's off the same mark that he was back in November.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 29, 2012, 12:25:18 PM
http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/images/articlefiles/1330517924CHELT-WEIGHTS.pdf (http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/images/articlefiles/1330517924CHELT-WEIGHTS.pdf)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on February 29, 2012, 12:36:38 PM
Cheers for that DH. Anything stand out for u so far?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on February 29, 2012, 04:43:54 PM
Beetuna 7.05 Kempton
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 29, 2012, 05:27:44 PM
Noticed White Star Line in the Novices Handicap Chase.  He was one you followed once DH ? Patsy would be patient enough to plot one too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on February 29, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
Anyone know how many horses Robert Tyner has entered for the festival?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 29, 2012, 07:44:54 PM
13Mar12    2:40    Tullintain CHELTENHAM (Early closer), JLT Specialty Handicap Chase Grade 3    
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15Mar12    4:40    Tullintain CHELTENHAM (Early closer), Fulke Walwyn Kim Muir Challenge Cup Handicap Chase (Amateur Riders)    
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2012, 10:52:16 AM
There's nothing really jumping off the page to me anyway. It's A Gimme would be one horse I'd be keeping an eye on wherever he goes. Looks one of the JP plot horses this year. I don't think there are many of our horses especially well treated but that was to be expected after last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 01, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
Toostrong any chance today DH? - I remember you mentioning it before!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 01, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
Toostrong any chance today DH? - I remember you mentioning it before!

Like the horse but he doesn't seem to be fancied today. Both Russell and Walsh have passed him over.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2012, 04:04:18 PM
Great boost to the form of Boston Bob and Monksland with Lyreen Legend winning the Grade 2 at Thurles.

Heard Quevega did a sparkling bit of schooling up the Curragh. Hurricane Fly and Boston Bob were also schooled over a few hurdles.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RGU08 on March 01, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
Paul Nicholls reporting on twitter Kauto Star only 50/50 for Gold Cup, doesn't sound good. apparently he took a tumble last week schooling.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 01, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
So who would Ruby ride then?

What A Friend
Poquelin
Tidal Bay
Apt Approach
Quel Esprit
The Midnight Club
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 01, 2012, 05:43:42 PM
Don i'd expect ruby to be between quel esprit or What a friend with prefence for the former!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
He'll need his head testing if he rides that wretched What A Friend over Quel Esprit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 01, 2012, 05:51:52 PM
What price have you got Quel Esprit at DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2012, 05:56:59 PM
25s mostly with a very small bit of 40s. I'd be surprised if he's out of the three with many of the challengers falling by the wayside.

Grands Crus will go for the Gold Cup now surely though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on March 01, 2012, 09:44:50 PM
In to 12's with PP now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 01, 2012, 09:54:18 PM
Not good news about Kauto Star. Looks like i may bin my ante post docket on Grands Crus for the novice race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 02, 2012, 10:02:10 AM
What would happen with the PP 4 time ruby special if Kauto doesn't go?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 02, 2012, 10:06:49 AM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 02, 2012, 10:02:10 AM
What would happen with the PP 4 time ruby special if Kauto doesn't go?

bet loses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 02, 2012, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: beer baron on March 01, 2012, 05:43:42 PM
Don i'd expect ruby to be between quel esprit or What a friend with prefence for the former!

Looking at the horses and jockey's in this http://www.fatjockey.com/cheltenham-festival/featured_cheltenham_races.php?Cheltenham-Gold-Cup-2012-16 (http://www.fatjockey.com/cheltenham-festival/featured_cheltenham_races.php?Cheltenham-Gold-Cup-2012-16) you'd say he would be getting Daryl Jacob off What a friend. That looks like Quel Esprit's old rating in there though. Ruby didnt put anyone awy at the previews anyway said he would back Kauto at the Paddy Power one the other night.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on March 04, 2012, 06:13:58 PM
DH whats your thoughts on the Champion Bumper?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 04, 2012, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on March 04, 2012, 06:13:58 PM
DH whats your thoughts on the Champion Bumper?

Lot of people backing Moscow Mannon. I know a bookies that has taken a lot on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on March 04, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
The horse that won the bumper yesterday was very impressive won by 23 lengths one to watch for the future. Its hard to pick Don. I might opt for Clonbanan Lad 20/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 04, 2012, 09:19:18 PM
I have no strong opinion on the bumper at all. Don't think our best bumper horses are going to Cheltenham anymore so would expect another English winner - Mullins in particular isn't really concentrating on getting 'bumper types' anymore from what I'm observing.

If you're going to have a bet in it ignore anything you hear about a horse at any of the preview nights or wherever. With the country in the state its in everyone is desperate to get a good price for their young horse so no harm for them to be generating a bit of hype about them. Put a line through the 4yos (awful record bar Cue Card) and put a line through anything with a fancy flat pedigree because this always seems to go to a proper NH bred. Watch the replays of their runs and look for something that gallops, stays and looks like they'll improve for better ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 04, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Been told by a friend of mine William Hill are going 5/4 Hurricane fly tomorrow morning-prob only be for peanuts but just thought i'd let you lads know!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 04, 2012, 10:23:39 PM
Anyone know if you can get a decent bet on with McLeans? Some of their enhanced accum prices are paying way over the odds compared to other bookies but was wondering is it all just for show.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rossie mad on March 05, 2012, 12:06:28 PM

What about fergusons two in the bumper DH?

I like the look of that new years eve.However the form of the stable isnt as good recently as earlier in the year.

Would you pass much heed on stable form going into cheltenham DH?
For example hobbs horses cant jump a fence at the moment but alot of the so called english experts are giving some of his horses each way chances in some of the big races eg wishful thinking and captain chris.

Noel Meade had decent form this year and anything he sends over should have a squeak this year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 05, 2012, 01:00:19 PM
I liked Population and had it backed ante post. Ferguson has come out and said tho that he hopes to keep it for Aintree and will give New Years eve its chance at Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 05, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
I wouldn't be keen on either New Year's Eve or Population for Cheltenham. I was actually very taken with the latter at Ascot but as Mickey says he's Liverpool bound and that will probably play to his strengths more. For whatever reason, the horses with blue blooded flat pedigrees don't do at all well in the Cheltenham bumper. Even a subsequent Ascot Gold Cup winner in Rite Of Passage was well beaten at Cheltenham. A quick glance through the sires of the recent winners of the race suggests that you need a horse with abundant stamina (Cork All Star by Fasliyev being the one exception): Astarabad, Kings Theatre, Presenting, Bob Back, Shernazar, Overbury, Flemensfirth.

Having a trainer in form is a bonus but certain trainers always seem to time it right and have their string spot on for Cheltenham - Ferdy Murphy the obvious example. I don't think any of Whateley horses who have done so well for Hobbs in the last two festivals are up to much this time around but I'd give a good shout to his Village Vic in the bumper. Snap Tie is another one of his that has been well backed recently. Meade won't have much heading over but I have already backed Monksland at 14/1 and expect a big run for my money. Everyone bangs on about his poor record at Cheltenham but he has had novice hurdle winners in the past and this horse reminds me a lot of Nicanor prior to his defeat of Denman. He's quirky enough but I think he'll improve for the big field and the strong pace that he'll get at Cheltenham. All the talk is about Boston Bob but Monksland arguably beat Lyreen Legend as impressively as the Mullins horse. Hopefully Willie will see sense and go for the three mile novice with him!  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 05, 2012, 08:10:35 PM
Peddlers cross out of the arkle and runs in the jewson instead
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 05, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
McCain has bottled it. Poor form considering all his fighting talk last year when he was telling anyone who would listen that this horse was the second coming. Really takes the gloss off the Arkle. Jewson me arse!

Expect a "we're going to miss Cheltenham and wait for Liverpool/Punchestown" statement in the next few days.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 05, 2012, 08:33:55 PM
I had a few quid on  him e/w at 6's so i'm not a happy camper at all-that's 2  of my ante post tickets up in smoke and noone will give me the 100/1 i'm looking for on Dylan ross in the Supreme or the  4/1 i'm looking for invictus for a place in the Rsa   :P

It's all down to Hurricane fly at this stage!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 05, 2012, 11:07:49 PM
On the plus side it looks like Boston Bob is going for the three mile novice
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 08:37:27 AM
Boston Bob is a stone wall certainity for the Albert Bartlett if he runs. Im actually surprised hes not going to the Neptune!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 06, 2012, 11:16:25 AM
Master of Arts going for the imperial cup / county hurdle double (100k bonus). Pipe has swung this coup before.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
Atttended the preview night in the Europa last night. A few of my mates were disapointed in Paul Townnd. I actually thought he was good more for what he didnt say. Hes  a quiet lad whos in a bad position on them preview nights as he is employed by Willie Mullins so cant say anything too conterversal. However, I felt he couldnt hide his delight at how good Sir Des Champs was and I think he is banker material for the RSA. Gordon Elliot also said that Sir Des will win next years gold cup.
Towenend also gave a good word for Boston Bob but didnt commit to what race he would go for. However, the exchanges would suggest today thats hes Albert Bartlett bound!
Towend was quick to rubbish quel esprit chances in the Gold cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
Atttended the preview night in the Europa last night. A few of my mates were disapointed in Paul Townnd. I actually thought he was good more for what he didnt say. Hes  a quiet lad whos in a bad position on them preview nights as he is employed by Willie Mullins so cant say anything too conterversal. However, I felt he couldnt hide his delight at how good Sir Des Champs was and I think he is banker material for the RSA. Gordon Elliot also said that Sir Des will win next years gold cup.
Towenend also gave a good word for Boston Bob but didnt commit to what race he would go for. However, the exchanges would suggest today thats hes Albert Bartlett bound!
Towend was quick to rubbish quel esprit chances in the Gold cup.
Townend?

Yeah hes an Irish jockey Hardstation. He rides for Willie Mullins. Cheltenham is on next week in case you are interested.

In other news the beatles have split up....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2012, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
Atttended the preview night in the Europa last night. A few of my mates were disapointed in Paul Townnd. I actually thought he was good more for what he didnt say. Hes  a quiet lad whos in a bad position on them preview nights as he is employed by Willie Mullins so cant say anything too conterversal. However, I felt he couldnt hide his delight at how good Sir Des Champs was and I think he is banker material for the RSA. Gordon Elliot also said that Sir Des will win next years gold cup.
Towenend also gave a good word for Boston Bob but didnt commit to what race he would go for. However, the exchanges would suggest today thats hes Albert Bartlett bound!
Towend was quick to rubbish quel esprit chances in the Gold cup.
Townend?

Yeah hes an Irish jockey Hardstation. He rides for Willie Mullins. Cheltenham is on next week in case you are interested.

In other news the beatles have split up....
I'm just wondering why you spelt his name 3 different ways in your post. All 3 of them were wrong by the way.

Cheers for that Hardstation. We should all have a good Cheltenham now...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 06, 2012, 02:58:17 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
Atttended the preview night in the Europa last night. A few of my mates were disapointed in Paul Townnd. I actually thought he was good more for what he didnt say. Hes  a quiet lad whos in a bad position on them preview nights as he is employed by Willie Mullins so cant say anything too conterversal. However, I felt he couldnt hide his delight at how good Sir Des Champs was and I think he is banker material for the RSA. Gordon Elliot also said that Sir Des will win next years gold cup.
Towenend also gave a good word for Boston Bob but didnt commit to what race he would go for. However, the exchanges would suggest today thats hes Albert Bartlett bound!
Towend was quick to rubbish quel esprit chances in the Gold cup.

It's a good job Hardstation didn't pick up on the rest of these inaccuracies! I don't have time to highlight the grammar mistakes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2012, 03:14:30 PM
As long as there is no confusion when Sir Des Champs and Boston Bob both heck up we should be grand. Ill do my bets online to be sure of spelling.

What was your take on the preview evening Don?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 06, 2012, 03:20:41 PM
*hack

Thought it was a decent enough night. Few boys I have been talking to today weren't pleased with Couch's Frank Carson joke.

The majority had a good word for Thousand Stars EW or w/o fave for the Champion Hurdle. Weird Al got a good mention for the Gold Cup as well.

Elliot's main things he said all night were Sir Des Champs winning this year whilst on his way to Gold Cup glory next year. He also seemed very confident about Shadow Catcher guaranteeing he will be on the bridle coming round the last in the Triumph, and that he is a stone better than Carlito Brigante was this time last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 06, 2012, 04:10:13 PM
Patrick Mullins is way better at these preview nights than anyone else involved down at Closutton. He usually gives it both barrells as regards most horses in the yard. Tony Mullins doesn't seem to do a lot of them anymore which is a real pity. Himself and Russell provide endless entertainment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 06, 2012, 07:37:01 PM
Saw this on Tweeter

(http://www.sportsbookguardian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Cheltenham-2012-Infographic.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 06, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
McLeans have a good offer there for new punters.

Open a new account, bet £25 from now til the first race on Tuesday and get a free £25 bet each day.

Think they have to be win singles at Cheltenham and you don't get your stake back but still good enough.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 06, 2012, 10:49:34 PM
Plenty of offers about. If you have a betvictor account, bet £20 on the Supreme Novices and you get a free £20 bet for National Hunt Chase.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 07, 2012, 01:06:06 PM
I was wondering if you had any update on Distant memories DH? I know he is long odds on Betfair but cant see anywhere that hes def not going to run in the Supreme? Could this be a horse that is going to slip under radar?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 07, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
Any word on Kauto Star?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 07, 2012, 01:12:58 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on March 07, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
Any word on Kauto Star?

Saturday is D Day apparently - However things going well at the minute according to papers I was reading.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 07, 2012, 01:23:44 PM
Good stuff, backed him at 5s at Christmas and then doubled up when he drifted to 11s
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 07, 2012, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 07, 2012, 01:06:06 PM
I was wondering if you had any update on Distant memories DH? I know he is long odds on Betfair but cant see anywhere that hes def not going to run in the Supreme? Could this be a horse that is going to slip under radar?

He's among the 33 entries at the 5 day stage so we might get a run for our money yet. Taaffe is usually on the panel at the Maynooth preview night so hopefully I'll have more to report later on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 07, 2012, 07:04:54 PM
Ruby's Evens to be top Jock at the festival this year on Ladbrokes for an hour-great price!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 08, 2012, 06:29:38 AM
I'd say Distant Memories will run. Doesnt look like a great race this year. 8/10 ten winners won their prep run and 9/10 ran within 45 days.  On trends its between Allure Of Illusion, Galileo's Choice, Montbazon & Tetlami. Cant say I like any of them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 08, 2012, 01:48:01 PM
Plan is to run Distant Memories I think but not sure how the balloting works over in England. He only has a maiden win to his name so I'm not certain he'll get in.

Tetlami is one who I think is underrated. His Sandown and Kempton form stacks up quite well and he shapes as if he'll relish the test of the hill. Can't understand how he's so much bigger than Darlan in the market. He looks a bridle horse to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 09, 2012, 01:01:22 AM
Preview nights gossip/rumours*

*Disclaimer: paying attention to the following information may lose you money......

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 09, 2012, 07:09:06 AM
Cheers DH. Some interesting comments amongst that lot... I do hope you are wrong about Moscow and Kauto too ......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 09, 2012, 09:33:23 AM
Just a quick question will quevega and big bucks both run world hurdle? If so then that would void the pp ruby special??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 09, 2012, 10:55:44 AM
Supreme Novices

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJujDx4McN0&feature=player_embedded

Arkle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqn3_NePQ3A&feature=player_embedded

Champion Hurdle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylEOmx7g2n8&feature=player_embedded

Champion Chase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FV895rIn4JU
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 09, 2012, 11:08:24 AM
Its pure fustrating how secretive these trainers are. Are we supposed to believe that Willie Mullins doesnt know which races hes going to run his best horses in next week or that David Pipe doesnt know if Grand Crus will run the Gold Cup? Id say Pipe has thought about little else for months. Doubt he is going to flick a coin this weekend to decide.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 09, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Grand Crus has tightened up overnight in the RSA and drifted in the GC. so  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 09, 2012, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 09, 2012, 07:09:06 AM
Cheers DH. Some interesting comments amongst that lot... I do hope you are wrong about Moscow and Kauto too ......

Not my opinions only what I've been hearing and reading. Both Ted Walsh jnr and Gordon Elliott were very dismissive of Moscow Mannon after his gallop at Navan. Said he completely boiled over and worked himself into a right lather.


Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 09, 2012, 11:08:24 AM
Its pure fustrating how secretive these trainers are. Are we supposed to believe that Willie Mullins doesnt know which races hes going to run his best horses in next week or that David Pipe doesnt know if Grand Crus will run the Gold Cup? Id say Pipe has thought about little else for months. Doubt he is going to flick a coin this weekend to decide.

In fairness to the trainers I'd prefer them to be non-committal (not that it really matters now with NRNB) than to do what McCain did last week. In most cases it's the owners that dictate where the horse runs. Noel Meade didn't want to run Pandorama last year when the ground came up quick on the Friday but the owner insisted.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 09, 2012, 12:08:38 PM
World Hurdle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dPFN_hPA400

Gold Cup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VHdomwnEYoE
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 09, 2012, 12:23:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 09, 2012, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 09, 2012, 07:09:06 AM
Cheers DH. Some interesting comments amongst that lot... I do hope you are wrong about Moscow and Kauto too ......

Not my opinions only what I've been hearing and reading. Both Ted Walsh jnr and Gordon Elliott were very dismissive of Moscow Mannon after his gallop at Navan. Said he completely boiled over and worked himself into a right lather.


Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 09, 2012, 11:08:24 AM
Its pure fustrating how secretive these trainers are. Are we supposed to believe that Willie Mullins doesnt know which races hes going to run his best horses in next week or that David Pipe doesnt know if Grand Crus will run the Gold Cup? Id say Pipe has thought about little else for months. Doubt he is going to flick a coin this weekend to decide.

In fairness to the trainers I'd prefer them to be non-committal (not that it really matters now with NRNB) than to do what McCain did last week. In most cases it's the owners that dictate where the horse runs. Noel Meade didn't want to run Pandorama last year when the ground came up quick on the Friday but the owner insisted.

I understand your point in relation to NRNB Donnelly from a gambling view but Im just thinking about the sporting perspective. Its hard for racing to promote its biggest festival when its yet to be decided which horses run in which races. Racing should be fit to promote the clash of the young pretender Grand Crus v Kauto and Long run or whatever the case may be. For the general public to not have a clue which horse is going for which race at this late stage is farcial IMO. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 09, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
have not been on the board in a life time but was wondering if ye are doing the cheltenham buster again....?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 09, 2012, 06:20:59 PM
Betfair Preview. McCain, Nicholls,Geraghty, Winstanley.

Phil Smith said Tetlami had best form in book at the previews but noises coming out of Henderson's are that Darlan is the better horse.

http://www.fatjockey.com/news-blogs/racing_news.php?Cheltenham-Preview-Video-46 (http://www.fatjockey.com/news-blogs/racing_news.php?Cheltenham-Preview-Video-46)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 10, 2012, 07:25:22 AM
Ile De Re fancied for the Imperial Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 11, 2012, 10:37:28 AM
It'll be a quiet night in the Casey household tonight if Bog Warrior can put in a clear round this afternoon!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 11, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 11, 2012, 10:37:28 AM
It'll be a quiet night in the Casey household tonight if Bog Warrior can put in a clear round this afternoon!

Mothers lock up your daughters...
(http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article658808.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Horse+trainer+Peter+Casey+reveals+rude+celebration+plans+on+live+TV)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ballinaman on March 12, 2012, 12:17:08 PM
The wife and kids are leaving me due to my addiction to horse racing. ...

They are at the gate and they're off!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
Little over 24 hours before this beast struts his stuff. Can't wait.

(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF826/603051.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on March 12, 2012, 02:47:16 PM
Some craic in Stratford, with Oliver Brady just helping boost our gambling funds!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2012, 02:57:58 PM
Up Monaghan

Went to that Stratford card one year and its infested with Irish lads over there. Great craic altogether. Nearly better than Cheltenham itself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 12, 2012, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on March 06, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
McLeans have a good offer there for new punters.

Open a new account, bet £25 from now til the first race on Tuesday and get a free £25 bet each day.

Think they have to be win singles at Cheltenham and you don't get your stake back but still good enough.

Did any of you guys avail of this Mc Leans offer? The offer was taken down on wednesday as they must have received a massive response. Lucky enough i got on it tuesday  ;D lost the 25 snoops yesterday though on Ruby
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 12, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Rumours rife that all is not well with the Fly... May not run tomorrow I have heard... :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 12, 2012, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Rumours rife that all is not well with the Fly... May not run tomorrow I have heard... :-\

Source?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: adevvabr on March 12, 2012, 05:43:13 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Rumours rife that all is not well with the Fly... May not run tomorrow I have heard... :-\

Where did ya hear that sammy? His price is still rock solid on betfair!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 12, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
Just got it from 2 different sources in the Kildare area, could be bull but ya never know

Time will tell
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 12, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
I would think if anything happened then the exchanges would show some movement.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 12, 2012, 06:41:29 PM
DH, Sammy and whoever else... Would u like to give your run through for tomorrows card?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 12, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
Somebody should have told Ruby H.F. isn't running, making him look a bit silly.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/hurricane-fly-r-walsh-cheltenham-festival-cheltenham-walsh-believes-fly-will-star-on-festival-day-one/999539/top/

My rundown for the day:

Montbazon EW
Sprinter Sacre
Tullamore Dew EW
Hurricane Fly
A New Story EW
Quevega
Triolo d'Alene

I am waiting on H.F. and Quevega for a good treble.

My other antepost:
Darlan 13/2 win
Tullamore Dew 18/1 EW
Triolo a'Alene 7/1 win

I have went off Darlan to Montbazon from going on what the stable is saying.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 12, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 12, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Rumours rife that all is not well with the Fly... May not run tomorrow I have heard... :-\

sammy tryin to move the exchange himself  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 12, 2012, 09:13:22 PM
1.30 Montbazon  [have steps to freedom ante post]
2.05 Al Ferof [money back on paddypower if fav wins]
2.40 Fruity ORooney ew
3.20 Hurricane Fly
4.00 Scotsirish
4.40 Quevega

If Hurricane Fly and Quevega lose my festival could be over on the first day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 12, 2012, 09:23:56 PM
Yes yes I heard that too Sammy. I think I may ring RTE and BBC. Quevega has a cough too. The markets need to know this news.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 12, 2012, 10:16:25 PM
For what it's worth, my picks for tomorrow:

13.30 - Tetlami
2.05   - Sprinter Sacre
2.40  - Hold on Julio
3.20  - Rock on Ruby E/W (NAP)
4.00 - Sizing Australia
4.40 - Quevega
5.15 - That'll Do E/W

sammy you're a bad man ! You give poor Mickey Linden an awful panic today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 12, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
Champion Hurdle market suspended on Betfair?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 12, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
Pass no remarks on me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 12, 2012, 11:09:55 PM
Christ Boojangles you near gave me a heart-attack there. My plays for tomorrow (some ante-post) are;

Supreme - Prospect Wells 16/1 1 pt e/w

Arkle - Al Ferof (with Paddypower) 9/4 3 pts

Festival Handicap - Billie Magern 33/1 1 pt e/w

Champion Hurdle - Hurricane Fly 10 pts 2/1 & 5/4

Scotsirish 9/4 4 pts (insurebet bet 3 places)

Quevega 10 pts 11/8

Novice Handicap - Carrick Boy 12/1 1 pt e/w.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 12, 2012, 11:20:28 PM
Ripping sportinglife tipster challenge is down all day with faults. Anyone know any others? non running on the board?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 12, 2012, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 12, 2012, 11:20:28 PM
Ripping sportinglife tipster challenge is down all day with faults. Anyone know any others? non running on the board?

Boylesports are doing a tipster one on their Facebook, a fantasy stable type thing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 13, 2012, 12:01:26 AM
Good man . Paddy Power offering free match bet to the stake of £20 place a mobile bet on the supreme novice tommorrow and get a free matched bet for wednesdays racing
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2012, 12:29:38 AM
1:30 Tetlami/Distant Memories (both e/w antepost)

2:05 No bet - want to take the favourite on but the opposition isn't up to much, would give Menorah a squeak with a good round of fencing

2:40 Baile Anrai e/w

3:20 Hurricane Fly (antepost)

4:00 Scotsirish (e/w antepost)

4:40 Quevega (antepost)

5:15 Carrickboy e/w - would be very wary of the Henderson hotpot and may have a saver depending on market strength
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on March 13, 2012, 08:44:22 AM
Thought id join this craic
1:30 Prospect Wells EW ( steps to freedom win)
2:05 Srpinter Sacre as part of a decent treble that everyone else has
2:40 Hold on Julio and Tullamore Dew EW
3:20 Rock On Ruby EW
4:00 A New Story EW
4:40 Kentford Grey Lady EW
5:15 Vino Griego EW
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 13, 2012, 09:14:00 AM
Have been told a few times that Pique Sous wont be beat in the champion Bumper, working really well at home, anyone heard anything.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on March 13, 2012, 09:58:01 AM
My punts for today:
1:30 Disatant Memories & Tetlami (both e/w)
2:05 Sprinter Sacre (antepost)
2:40 Riguez Dancer (e/w)
3:20 Hurricane Fly (antepost)
4:00 A New Story (e/w)
4:40 Quevega (antepost)
5:15 Hunt Ball (antepost)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 13, 2012, 10:17:31 AM
1.30 Prospect Wells EW
2.05 Sprinter Sacre
2.40 Mossley
3.20 The Fly (Oscars Well EW)
4.00 Sizing Australia
4.40 Quevega
5.10 Bless the Wings

Best of luck to all punters.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 13, 2012, 10:50:12 AM
1.30 Cinders & Ashes
2.05 Al Ferof
2.40 Hold on Julio
3.20 Oscars Well
4.00 Scotsirish
4.40 Quevega
5.15 Mic's Delight


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 13, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
1.30 Trifolium
2.05 Al Ferof
2.40 Our Mick
3.20 Hurricane Fly
4.00 Grade Champetre
4.40 Quevega
5.15 That'll Do
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 13, 2012, 12:38:21 PM
No one like the fav in the first?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 13, 2012, 01:12:52 PM
Darlan
Sprinter Sacre
Quantitativeeasing
Hurricane fly
Sizing Austrailia
Quevega
Carrickboy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on March 13, 2012, 01:16:48 PM
Dylan ross here
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Massey-135 on March 13, 2012, 01:17:19 PM
In work here - where can you watch it online?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Longfordian on March 13, 2012, 01:18:14 PM
Montbazon
Sprinter Sacre
Hurricane Fly
Quevega
all to win @   10 pounds over here in London , Patrick Power will pay out 783
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 13, 2012, 01:30:14 PM
Can somebody post up a few online commentary links - in work here and the PP one isn't working for me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 13, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: the greatest jockey on March 13, 2012, 01:16:48 PM
Dylan ross here

Same
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2012, 01:31:55 PM
Any chance anyone can post up the results as they come in.......
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 13, 2012, 01:35:22 PM
cinders and ashes, rest v tight
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2012, 01:37:08 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 13, 2012, 10:50:12 AM
1.30 Cinders & Ashes
2.05 Al Ferof
2.40 Hold on Julio
3.20 Oscars Well
4.00 Scotsirish
4.40 Quevega
5.15 Mic's Delight

On a roll!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on March 13, 2012, 01:37:37 PM
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/40287/1/cheltenham-festival---day-1-live-stream-online.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 13, 2012, 01:37:58 PM
darlan and trifolium (or something) 2 & 3)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 13, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
1 Cinders and Ashes 10-1

2 Darlan 7-1

3 Trifolium 15-2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 13, 2012, 02:10:57 PM
Classy display by Sprinter Sacre
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:29:26 PM
I can't remember seeing a horse win as easily at the festival since Arkle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 13, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
1 Sprinter Sacre 8-11F

2 Cue Card 13-2

3 Menorah 10-1

4 Al Ferof
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on March 13, 2012, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:29:26 PM
I can't remember seeing a horse win as easily at the festival since Arkle.

f**king hell Hardy I can just about remember the Great One & I thought I was getting on a bit. :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:50:53 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on March 13, 2012, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:29:26 PM
I can't remember seeing a horse win as easily at the festival since Arkle.

f**king hell Hardy I can just about remember the Great One & I thought I was getting on a bit. :)

I'm sure I remember him, but it could be the senile dementia.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 13, 2012, 02:54:13 PM
Result - JLT Specialty Handicap Chase

1 Alfie Sherrin 14-1

2 Fruity O'Rooney 16-1

3 Our Mick 11-1

4 The Package 6-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
Come on the Fly. Took the 9/4 to win by 3.25 lengths or more. And Oscars Well for the place at 5/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on March 13, 2012, 03:10:27 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:50:53 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on March 13, 2012, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:29:26 PM
I can't remember seeing a horse win as easily at the festival since Arkle.

f**king hell Hardy I can just about remember the Great One & I thought I was getting on a bit. :)

I'm sure I remember him, but it could be the senile dementia.

Bit that way myself these days. ;)Can't see the Fly getting beat.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2012, 03:10:56 PM
Lads i'm shit at working out each way bets, what would 10 e/w on a 10/1 horse that was placed 3rd pay
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
Come on the Fly. Took the 9/4 to win by 3.25 lengths or more. And Oscars Well for the place at 5/2.

What bookies that with?Wouldn't mind a little bet on it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 03:14:12 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 13, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
Come on the Fly. Took the 9/4 to win by 3.25 lengths or more. And Oscars Well for the place at 5/2.

What bookies that with?Wouldn't mind a little bet on it
PPower


http://www.paddypower.com/racing/daily-racing/cheltenham/15%3a20-CHAMPION-HURDLE-%28GRADE-1%29-2m-1-2f-2514685.html (http://www.paddypower.com/racing/daily-racing/cheltenham/15%3a20-CHAMPION-HURDLE-%28GRADE-1%29-2m-1-2f-2514685.html)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Cheers  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2012, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2012, 03:10:56 PM
Lads i'm shit at working out each way bets, what would 10 e/w on a 10/1 horse that was placed 3rd pay

Depends who it's with. Generally it's 1/4 odds on the first 3.

Therefore you're €10 @ 2.5/1 = €25 + €10 stake back = €35
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2012, 03:25:26 PM
Jayz that's some kick in the goolies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 13, 2012, 03:26:25 PM
f**k THAT - ALL MY FESTIVAL BETTING FRIGGED!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 13, 2012, 03:30:42 PM
1 Rock On Ruby 11-1 ;D

2 Overturn 20-1

3 Hurricane Fly 4-6F

4 Binocular
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
Holy god-is it just me or were the 2 best jockeys in the business only worried about each other and left the race to be robbed!?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 13, 2012, 03:34:20 PM
No, horses win races, generally not the jocks! Best horse won. No arguments. Bookies pissing themselves
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 13, 2012, 03:43:06 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2012, 03:10:56 PM
Lads i'm shit at working out each way bets, what would 10 e/w on a 10/1 horse that was placed 3rd pay

Just remember to check how many places the EW pays on.  E.g in The Arkle the EW only paid on the first two (did you have Menorah at 10/1?  If so I'm afraid you get nowt.)  It goes by the number of horses in the race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2012, 03:48:43 PM
cheers for the updates lads, appreciated.

Aside from that this is horrific!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hashtag on March 13, 2012, 03:51:06 PM
Where did Kallan finish? how did she run?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 13, 2012, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: Hashtag on March 13, 2012, 03:51:06 PM
Where did Kallan finish? how did she run?

Last of 10
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tubberman on March 13, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
Looks like everyone's getting right into the swing of things

(http://c0014224.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b73c2cc)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2012, 04:02:32 PM
Scotsirish i think it was has just broke his leg-and commentator doesn't even mention it  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 13, 2012, 04:12:05 PM
1 Balthazar King 11-2

2 A New Story 20-1

3 Wedger Party 33-1

4 Sizing Australia 5-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on March 13, 2012, 04:13:55 PM
Irish gettin a hidden today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 13, 2012, 04:19:48 PM
If quevega gets chinned must be something up with mullins yard
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 13, 2012, 04:24:41 PM
Any word on what race Sir Des Champs will go for - i know it was looking like the Jewson but has this been confirmed yet ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 04:35:00 PM
A classic from Ted Walsh on C4 when he said" the great thing about statistics is that horses cant read them" classic Ted!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 13, 2012, 04:40:10 PM
What happened there Tubberman?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on March 13, 2012, 04:43:11 PM
The Fly fairly let me down >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 13, 2012, 04:52:05 PM
Had £20ew on A New Story at 25/1, was urging him up.

Ah well, have £4 on the placepot whatever it pays but not really hopeful for a decent dividend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 13, 2012, 04:54:02 PM
Tweet from Betfair:

Incredible numbers on the exchange - of the £10 million traded on the Champion Hurdle at the off, £8 million of that is on Hurricane Fly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 13, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
Looks like everyone's getting right into the swing of things

(http://c0014224.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b73c2cc)

Is that a row there? Is someone about to be bottled with a champagne bottle? Good Jaysus.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 13, 2012, 05:08:11 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on March 13, 2012, 04:43:11 PM
The Fly fairly let me down >:( >:( >:(

week ruined
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 13, 2012, 05:29:02 PM
37 euro up thanks to sacred sacre,and queugva, would of won alot if the fly had won, rebetted all my sacred sacre winning on quevega to win single after all my double and trebles went up in flames. Lucky i did. Id say alot of people got stung today. What could of been. The Fly never looked like winning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 13, 2012, 05:52:37 PM
Think it was infact Garde Champetre that broke the leg in the Cross Country, was going well too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 13, 2012, 06:13:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 13, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
Looks like everyone's getting right into the swing of things

(http://c0014224.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b73c2cc)

Is that a row there? Is someone about to be bottled with a champagne bottle? Good Jaysus.

That was Ascot last year lads, jeez news travels slowly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
Anyone care to wire me the price of an arse for a pair of trousers?

God bless you Quevega you marvellous little madam. You have paid for my ferry home!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 13, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
That has to be a fix today, HF is miles better than the others in that race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 13, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 13, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
That has to be a fix today, HF is miles better than the others in that race.

'Fraid not. Hurricane Fly is a very good two miler hurdler but Cheltenham does not suit him. Sounds silly to say that but take a step back and look at the lbigger picture of last year's race. He scrapped home from Peddlars Cross who has since disappointed this season with Oscar Whiskey and Thousand Stars third and fourth over trips short of their best. Let's also not forget that The Fly was a sick horse for most of the winter (which appeared to suddenly become irrelevant after the Leopardstown win). As I say, he's a very good horse but it looks a stronger renewal this year, and with the horse not at his best, and the track not suiting, it proved too much. I expect he'll win more races in Ireland in time. Just not a combination of things against him today which unfortunetely he couldn't overcome.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2012, 07:50:52 PM
Thanks for the updates all day lads, keep them coming for the rest of the wk, how bad they may be :'(

Can anybody confirm that Sir Des Champs isnt running in the RSA and that Red Inca isnt running in the Juvenille Novices Hurdle tomorrow??  Cant see either of them on paddypower.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 13, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
Right lads, lick the wounds and together let's bash the bookies 2moro!! Post up ur fancies for wednesdays races...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 13, 2012, 09:38:16 PM
Sir Des Champs is not in the RSA.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on March 13, 2012, 10:08:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
Anyone care to wire me the price of an arse for a pair of trousers?

God bless you Quevega you marvellous little madam. You have paid for my ferry home!

Only winner for ye today DH? and shouts for tomorrow? couldn't get much worse than today for us all...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 13, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Heard good things about Simonsig for the Neptune but looking at the form it is hard to look by Batonnier. Course and distance winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 13, 2012, 10:36:09 PM
Even though I am completely dejected about Hurricane Fly I ended up a few hundred today, got £300 odd back from my placepot which was an unexpected bonus.

Tomorrow is a new day.

Bets I have done from last week include Simonsig at 3/1, Alfie Spinner at 14/1 EW and Moscow Mannon at 8/1.

I also had Sir Des Champs for the RSA and Toner d'Oudaries for the Coral Cup but they aren't going now so I will be going for First Lieutenant and Act Of Kalanisi EW in their places.

I have Ulck Du Lin backed at 10/1 for the Fred Winter but have since heard that Vendor is a steering job and that King rates him as high as his Triumph Hurdle runners so i might have a cover bet on him tomorrow as well.

Haven't had a play on the Champion Chase, think Sizing Europe is a winner by default but there isn't much value in backing him at the price. Sprinter Sacre could have won this race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 13, 2012, 11:14:40 PM
Kauto Stone and Realt Dubh are both overpriced in the CC at 16/1 and 25/1 respectively.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 13, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Filing today under "could have been worse" and dusting myself down to resume battle tomorrow. Suspect the short priced favourites could be vulnerable in the big races, have backed Join Together and Finian's Rainbow and won't be supporting Simonsig. Vendor to win the Fred Winter. Is Carlio Brigante confirmed for the Coral Cup?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 13, 2012, 11:37:39 PM
Aye, Tac, back in the ring for another swing.
I have Sizing Europe and Grands Crus done ante post and won't be covering my bets.

Think Meade might have a good day with Monkisland for the win and Silverhand for a place.

If i'm still standing late on will take a stab at Vendor.

placepot

Teaforthree
Monkisland
Grands Crus
Sizing Europe
Silverhand
Vendor
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 14, 2012, 08:00:38 AM
Looking for a better dat today. No idea what I'll do yet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 14, 2012, 08:32:21 AM
Here are my selections for today:

1.30 Iron Chancellor 28/1 E/W
2.05 Cotton Mill 12/1
2.40 Call the Police 20/1 E/W  .... I know my West Belfast and South Armagh friends will have qualms about backing this horse but I think it is a bit of value  ;)
3.20 Kauto Stone 18/1 E/W - A much better horse than what its last outing suggested
4.00 Carlito Brigante 16/1 NAP  (Yes i'm aware E/W was not indicated) ... While i'm here i'll give you my NAP of the festival Carilto Brigante E/W, most bookies are going 5 places.
4.40 Moujik Bourget 40/1 E/W - Not a strong fancy but one of the guys on the Chelt preview panel at the Europa kept going on about this horse so worth a shot
5.15 Clonbanan Lad 16/1 E/W - A lot of boys I know really fancy this horse and think that it is more than capable of putting in a big performance here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on March 14, 2012, 09:07:14 AM
Rock On Ruby saved me yesterday so startign slightly up today

Im going with
Harry the Viking
Monksland
Bobs Worth
Sizing Europe
Final Approach
Chill
Clonbanan Lad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on March 14, 2012, 09:47:02 AM
Pretty good day y'day (would have been an outstanding day if the fly had have obliged  :'( ). Todays punts:
1:30 Four Commanders e/w
2:05 Monksland
2:40 Grand Crus
3:20 Sizing Europe
4:00 Act Of Kalanisi ew (because Its a Gimme withdrawn)
4:40 Vendor
5:15 Ive been laying Moscow Mannion on Betfair
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ballinaman on March 14, 2012, 09:50:48 AM
I've been told that Soll at 1.30pm is a good E/W bet today supposedly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 14, 2012, 10:11:42 AM
This looks like a tough day to pick winners (much like any other day of my betting career)

1:30  Teaforthree
2:05  Simonsig
2:40  Call The Police (EW)
3:20  Sizing Europe
4:00  Carlito Brigante (EW)
4:40  Gorgeous Sixty
5:15  Royal Guardsman
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 14, 2012, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: boojangles on March 13, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Heard good things about Simonsig for the Neptune but looking at the form it is hard to look by Batonnier. Course and distance winner.

Batonnier now a N/R
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2012, 10:35:13 AM
Misty morning here in the Cottswolds. Plenty of sore heads around!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on March 14, 2012, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2012, 10:35:13 AM
Misty morning here in the Cottswolds. Plenty of sore heads around!

What do you think of Fergie's horse the day DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 14, 2012, 11:38:33 AM
Quote from: AQMP on March 14, 2012, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: boojangles on March 13, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Heard good things about Simonsig for the Neptune but looking at the form it is hard to look by Batonnier. Course and distance winner.

Batonnier now a N/R

And Ben's Folly is out of the 1:30
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on March 14, 2012, 12:14:00 PM
PP just went 9/2 on Grand Crus and Sizing Europe enhanced special.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 14, 2012, 12:50:51 PM
1.30 Four Commanders
4.00 Get Me Out of Here
4.40 Kazalin
5.15 Village Vic

EW Lucky 15

2.05 Simonsig
2.40 Grande Crus
3.20 Sizing Europe

Treble
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 14, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
In the 4.00 Son of Flicka @ 16-1 from 66's this morning! :o

Good money for Teaforthree in the first
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 14, 2012, 01:26:06 PM
Soll
Sous les Cleux
Grands crus
Sizing Europe
Balgarry
Une Artiste
Village Vic
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 14, 2012, 01:33:03 PM
lads can anyone pls post up a good audio commentary link, thanks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 14, 2012, 01:39:51 PM
1:30

1.  Teaforthree 5/1
2.  Harry The Viking 7/1
3.  Four Commanders 10/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 14, 2012, 01:50:04 PM
Thought Nina was going to do it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 14, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
In the 4.00 Son of Flicka @ 16-1 from 66's this morning! :o

Good money for Teaforthree in the first

Bet him earlier at 33s EW. A lot of money on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Richiej on March 14, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
rubys mount in the 2.05 looks the bet of the day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on March 14, 2012, 02:14:22 PM
Ruby is having a stinker so far!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 14, 2012, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 14, 2012, 02:14:22 PM
Ruby is having a stinker so far!

mullins horses dont look right at all. quevega the exception in what was a very weak field.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on March 14, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on March 14, 2012, 01:33:03 PM
lads can anyone pls post up a good audio commentary link, thanks

5Live?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live/sport/commentaries/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 14, 2012, 02:35:55 PM
Thanks Denn - got one.

http://www.sportinglife.com/

This is the first cheltenham in a long time that i've been in work, never again !

Off tomorrow and Friday though.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 14, 2012, 02:57:01 PM
well attius Finch.................... Call the Police got placed!!!!!!!! Good shout, did not see it but getting updates on the website here, ye anything on it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 14, 2012, 03:02:05 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  BREAKING NEWS: ANGUS THE PSYCHIC PONY HAS GONE FOR KAUTO STONE IN THE FEATURE RACE, THE 1520 QUEEN MOTHER CHAMPION CHASE...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on March 14, 2012, 03:12:18 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 23, 2012, 10:56:36 AM

Had a decent bet on Monksland for the Neptune last weekend. Two out of the three horses ahead of him in the market currently will probably end up in different races.
Forgot i had an decent EW bet on Monksland (12/1) on the back of DH post above, nice surprise to see hte account jump up!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 14, 2012, 03:14:23 PM
Nothing to write home about Tickle - it would just about stretch to get a new pair of disco shoes for Hi Mucker .... but i'm all about Carlito today.

Was disappointed with Cotton Mill in the race prior to that - sounded like it was well on course, until ....

Where is Hi Mucker ... Hi ?  He's been quiet of late, leaving you to fight the battle all by yourself for the City Slickers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 14, 2012, 03:23:10 PM
If Carlito is beat Im giving up. Attitcus has informed me that it wont be beat and even put up the selection on this thread in bold.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 14, 2012, 03:28:46 PM
Well that was a farce.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 14, 2012, 03:33:24 PM
Quote from: boojangles on March 14, 2012, 03:28:46 PM
Well that was a farce.

Poor stuff right enough, but I think Finian's would have won anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 14, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
Ah come on now Mickey Linden, i'm new to this thread.  That is a lot of pressure to be putting on me !

I know you "own this thread" and taught lads like Don Johnson all that they know !

See if Carlito comes up short and doesn't do the business ... can i still post on this thread ... please sir ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 14, 2012, 03:39:49 PM
a wee win on Finan's Rainbow there, as I pooped to the bookies for me break. 3 horses away at the start and left sizing europe and finians rainbow out on their own but the last fence was deemed unsafe so both horses had to steer to their right and with finian's rainbow out on the outter he had less steering to do and pulled away.

Aye Hi Mucker was out training on Sunday there but his internet useage has been poor! dunno what the craic is, maybe the misses found him on other websites than the www.gaaboard.com hahahah!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 14, 2012, 03:40:26 PM
thats me done for the day, one bet and one win!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 14, 2012, 03:46:52 PM
We will never know but IMO Sizing was traveling better and the missed fence inconvenienced him alot more than Finians. It was handled very badly. Serious sour grapes.Bookies win again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 14, 2012, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: boojangles on March 14, 2012, 03:46:52 PM
We will never know but IMO Sizing was traveling better and the missed fence inconvenienced him alot more than Finians. It was handled very badly. Serious sour grapes.Bookies win again.

had sizing in a treble with quevega and big bucks, f**king raging.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 14, 2012, 03:58:08 PM
So if Carlito doesn't get placed...................................................
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 14, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
What a farce that was. If they had have jumped the last Sizing Europe wins handy

Irish taking a hammering this year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 14, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 14, 2012, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on March 14, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
:'(

Well is it Limavady where ye live.................................?????????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2012, 04:11:06 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 14, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: Joxer on March 14, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
In the 4.00 Son of Flicka @ 16-1 from 66's this morning! :o

Good money for Teaforthree in the first

Bet him earlier at 33s EW. A lot of money on him.

Yeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!!



:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on March 14, 2012, 04:20:27 PM
2.50 ew on it myself, small stakes big rewards! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 14, 2012, 04:55:21 PM
Result - Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

1 Une Artiste 40-1

2 Edeymi 11-1

3 Vendor 3-1F

4 Kazlian 7-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2012, 01:58:26 AM
Some improvement on day 1 but it was a pity that First Lieutenant just didn't settle early on and probably cost himself the race. Hopefully he'll be back next year for the Gold Cup. Simonsig looked exceptional and nice to see Champagne Fever justifying Thomond O'Mara's belief in him on the better ground. I knew that bumper on Stephens Day would throw up a few decent horses!

Wasn't heavily involved financially in the Champion Chase but it left a real sour taste in the mouth. Pointless debating what would have happened had the fence been jumped or been dolled off properly because nobody can say for sure. However, for the stewards to deem that the correct procedures were followed is a complete cop-out. Andrew Lynch clearly was unsure for a split second whether or not he was supposed to jump the fence on the outside where it was clear. The wing should have been placed across the fence like you'd see at any bog standard meeting at any gaff track in Ireland. To have such a situation occur in one of the biggest races of the year is pathetic. I've seen better organisation at p2ps.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 15, 2012, 03:50:59 AM
And on that note DH.... give me your fancies for Thursdays racing please?

At this stage I would actually beg  :'(

Sammy and anyone else who would like to offer some food for thought please fire away also?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 15, 2012, 06:12:19 AM
Oscar whisky, sir des champs ew double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 15, 2012, 07:16:33 AM
Champagne Fever aved the bacon yesterday. At least I've now a couple of quid to play with today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 15, 2012, 08:20:50 AM
Went for a somersby & big bucks double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 15, 2012, 08:35:16 AM
Jesus the Ryanair is a serious puzzle. I like Somersby but there are at least six others with strong claims. Not original but I think Oscar Whisky may go close today. Divers has great course form. Petitfour EW and BecauseIcouldntsee EW.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
The racing is not drawing the same attention as previous years...

McCoy gotta get a winner today.  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 15, 2012, 12:00:31 PM
Anyone want to tell me why Alberta's Run is 10/1 for the Ryanair?

Lost too much on Day 1, and this is my only bet left of the week. Someone please put me off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on March 15, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Big Bucks is 4/5 in Sean Grahams folks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 15, 2012, 12:31:06 PM
Am away for the weekend so unfortunately this is my last day of the festival.

Sir Des Champs [ picked it out a week ago and not changing my mind now]
Noble Prince [ course and distance winner last year, likes the ground and McCoy tried to get off albertas run to ride it]

Won't be taking on Big Bucks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 15, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
Champion Court
Buena Vista
Alberta's Run
Big Bucks
Divers
Sunnyhillboy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 15, 2012, 01:46:03 PM
RESULT - JEWSON NOVICES CHASE

1. Sir Des Champs 3-1

2. Champion Court 8-1

3. For Non Stop 8-1

4. Michael Flips 33-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 15, 2012, 01:47:38 PM
NICELY

Sir Des Champs has saved my festival - had him at 7's a while ago!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 15, 2012, 01:57:46 PM
Quote from: attheraces on March 15, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Big Bucks is 4/5 in Sean Grahams folks.

Very, very tempting.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2012, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 15, 2012, 01:57:46 PM
Quote from: attheraces on March 15, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Big Bucks is 4/5 in Sean Grahams folks.

Very, very tempting.

smart move from the bookies... the counters must be quiet  :-\ Thousand Stars will give him a run imo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 15, 2012, 02:24:02 PM
RESULT - PERTEMPS FINAL

1. Cape Tribulation 14-1

2. Catch Me 14-1

3. Cantlow 33-1

4. Houblon Des Obeaux 33-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
anyone have the odds they could copy and paster for next race, can't access that in work!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
1      4FP12-1   Albertas Run (IRE) 145     11    11-10   Jonjo O'Neill   A P McCoy    168      1   
8/1
2      11-1U3P   Captain Chris (IRE) 47       8    11-10 t   P J Hobbs   R Johnson    164         
9/1
3      2P-2334   Forpadydeplasterer (IRE) 54     10    11-10 p   T Cooper   Bryan J cooper    159         
40/1
4      2F6-140   Great Endeavour (IRE) 96     8    11-10   D Pipe   T J Murphy    157         
12/1
5      542P-5P   Kalahari King (FR) 117   11    11-10   Ferdy Murphy   N Fehily    166         
40/1
6      1155-6P   Little Josh (IRE) 26     10    11-10   N A Twiston-Davies   S Twiston-Davies    148         
66/1
7      42-1322   Medermit (FR) 26     8    11-10   A King   R Thornton    165      1   
17/2
8      1-F1222   Noble Prince (GER) 53       8    11-10 t1   P Nolan   D N Russell    165      2   
8/1
9      141-5U2   Poquelin (FR) 47     9    11-10   P F Nicholls   D A Jacob    168         
16/1
11      5F/121-1   Riverside Theatre 26     8    11-10   N J Henderson   B J Geraghty    168      2   
7/2
12      13-3121   Rubi Light (FR) 26   7    11-10   R Hennessy   A E Lynch    164      1   
8/1
13      3-12241   Somersby (IRE) 54     8    11-10 p   Miss H C Knight   D Elsworth    166         
11/2
14      143111   Blazing Tempo (IRE) 53   8    11-3   W P Mullins   R Walsh    154         
16/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
PP offering money back if second to BB. I'm on Oscar.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 02:36:00 PM
Good man Hardy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 02:37:04 PM
this could be the most interesting race of the meeting!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2012, 02:49:46 PM
C'mon Meath!. Some work by Barry there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 15, 2012, 02:50:28 PM
Great race.  Alberta's give it a good go.  Geraghty having some festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 15, 2012, 02:52:54 PM
RESULT - RYANAIR CHASE

1. Riverside Theatre 7-2 fav

2. Albertas Run 10-1

3. Medermit 8-1

4. Captain Chris 10-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 02:53:25 PM
riverside as a part of a yankee, big buck and salut flo to come. peddlers cross let me down in the first!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2012, 03:01:08 PM
the connections of VLV quite bullish supposedly, as are the Mullins crew about Thousand Stars. I'm with the former  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Richiej on March 15, 2012, 03:02:19 PM
Oscar to overturn the buck!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2012, 03:03:15 PM
Placed a bet on Big Buck's at 3 (2/1) to be matched in running. Given his usual flat spot in races it could pay off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 03:16:55 PM
any betting Hardy for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2012, 03:18:01 PM
Big Bucks 5/6
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 03:21:09 PM
by, thats some price for the Big Man there!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 03:28:27 PM
BIG BUCK'S WINS THE WORLD HURDLE
1526:
  Big Buck's pulls out another half-length as they approach the last, Voler la Vedette is the main threat...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 15, 2012, 03:28:54 PM
What a horse!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 03:29:17 PM
any danger was there???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2012, 03:30:07 PM
Fair price all the same
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 15, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
get in there ye cert!!!!! thats 3 out of 4 in a £1 yankee. 5/6, 7/2 and 9/2 anyone care to work it out????
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2012, 05:20:57 PM
I make it a win of 77.46 points.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 15, 2012, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2012, 05:20:57 PM
I make it a win of 77.46 points.

What was the biggest price for Big Bucks in running? I thought when VLV was switched inside she was gonna take him.

Sir Des Champs made my day, had him at 5/1 this morning, also had Salut Flo and Catch Me each way. Up a good bit for the week.

Have Boston Bob @ 5/1 and Shadow Catcher @ 14/1 for tomorrow's racing antepost. I will do maybe Weird Al or Midnight Chase EW in the big one and then maybe Salsify.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on March 15, 2012, 07:28:40 PM
Placed my bets for the day, only one that remained was albertas run , the place winnings went on a win for big b, those winnings went on two singles and a double on salut flo and sunnyhill boy, you couldnt make it up. Bring on tomorrow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2012, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on March 15, 2012, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2012, 05:20:57 PM
I make it a win of 77.46 points.

What was the biggest price for Big Bucks in running? I thought when VLV was switched inside she was gonna take him.

Sir Des Champs made my day, had him at 5/1 this morning, also had Salut Flo and Catch Me each way. Up a good bit for the week.

Have Boston Bob @ 5/1 and Shadow Catcher @ 14/1 for tomorrow's racing antepost. I will do maybe Weird Al or Midnight Chase EW in the big one and then maybe Salsify.

I had my in-running bet struck before the off, so I wasn't monitoring the price in running to make a decision. I was only half watching it and as far as I could see he never hit 2. Betfair will publish full details tomorrow here (http://promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices/) - files usually updated before 7 a.m.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on March 15, 2012, 09:19:25 PM
Fair play to the man involved.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/mar/15/cheltenham-accumulator-nicky-henderson-stable-lad?newsfeed=true

A stable worker from Lambourn has gone into hiding after apparently landing the bet of a lifetime, winning a sum that rumours suggest was approaching £1m. The "lad", an Irishman in his late 40s who works for the trainer Nicky Henderson, placed his wager months ago, picking out five horses from his employer's yard, all of which have won at his week's Festival, netting him a life-changing sum.

The news was broken through Twitter last night by Clare Balding, broadcasting from the Festival for BBC Radio 5 Live. "The lad who looks after Finian's Rainbow had a 5-timer on Nicky Henderson winners & has won £1 million!" she tweeted. "Says he'll still be at work tomorrow." Others on Twitter later named him as Conor Murphy.

Reporters scrambled to contact the lucky punter, who is thought to have remained at Henderson's Seven Barrows stable on Thursday while the final runner in his bet was competing here. He was apparently contacted by phone by Sky but did not wish to be quoted and flatly refused the offer of an interview.

In ordinary circumstances, the bookmaker in such a case would attempt to make as much as possible from the related publicity. However Bet365, which is believed to have laid the bet, takes a different approach.

"We're pleased for all our customers who've had a winning day today but we don't discuss individual accounts," said the spokesman, Pat Cooney. "This one particular customer's had an extremely good time of it," he added, but refused to confirm any details.

The bet got off to a flying start on Tuesday when Sprinter Sacre was an easy winner of the Arkle Trophy at odds of 8-11. It stayed alive through Wednesday when Simonsig (2-1), Bobs Worth (9-2) and Finian's Rainbow (4-1) landed a series of top-class races and finally came to fruition on Thursday when Riverside Theatre (7-2) won the Ryanair Chase.

Had the bet been placed at those odds on Monday, to the £50 stake the lad is believed to have risked, his return would have been a mere £32,050. But his bet was placed towards the end of last year, when the odds on offer were much bigger.

David Williams of Ladbrokes estimated that at that time Sprinter Sacre would have been around 7-1, Simonsig 20-1, Bobs Worth 6-1, Finian's Rainbow 12-1 and Riverside Theatre 16-1 for accumulated odds of 259,895‑1. An especially clever feature of the bet is that it anticipated Simonsig would run in the Neptune Novice Hurdle, as he eventually did, at a time when most people expected him to take part in a different race at the Festival.

Contacted as he was leaving the racecourse, Henderson said: "It's absolutely wonderful. He's the nicest, kindest, gentlest man and he rides Finian's Rainbow every day. He's got more confidence in me than I have and he obviously took a rather strong view, before Christmas, I gather."

Asked if he expected the lad in question to turn up for work tomorrow, Henderson laughed and replied: "He'd better."

It has been a sensational week for Henderson, whose six winners have taken his career total of Festival winners to 45, five clear of the previous record. His four winners on Wednesday was unprecedented for one day at the Festival and there may be better to come.

He sends another 13 horses to Cheltenham today, including the favourites for two races, one of which is Long Run in the Gold Cup, the most important race of the week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2012, 10:18:52 PM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5222/5573605005_02ed4f1b6e.jpg)

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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 16, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
Right lads... Last day? Fancies:
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 16, 2012, 02:19:44 AM
Desperado, why dont you come to your....................
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on March 16, 2012, 06:29:55 AM
1:30 pearl swan
Ut de sivola. Ew

2:05 moondice ew
ted spread. Ew

2:40 Boston Bob

3:20 long run
Weird al. Ew

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on March 16, 2012, 08:52:08 AM
My heart wants Kauto to win today, but my main rule in punting is to always ignore sentiment and my head is telling me the great one will find that extra 2 and a half just too tough. I'll having some of long run at 9/4, any shorter than 2s and value starts to wane. Synchronnised can be got at 16s on Willy Hill and if he jumps well might be able to run a big race. Have also got boston bob at ante post prices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 16, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
got a tip for babymix in the first today. pretty clueless truth be told, tell me if im wasting my time?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on March 16, 2012, 10:37:05 AM
I think I've read that story before somewhere.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 16, 2012, 10:40:13 AM
Surely given the nature of this board we cannot look past West Brit 66/1 in the 1:30 ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 16, 2012, 10:40:23 AM
Sorry bout that -


Quelle Esprit non runner now in the Gold Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Gs Man on March 16, 2012, 10:42:12 AM
1:30 Balder Success
2:05 Citizenship
2:40 Boston Bob
3:20 Weird Al

E/W Lucky 15.....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 16, 2012, 10:52:22 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 16, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
got a tip for babymix in the first today. pretty clueless truth be told, tell me if im wasting my time?

Have heard that there had been a bit of money for this horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on March 16, 2012, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: orangeman on March 16, 2012, 10:40:23 AM
Sorry bout that -

Not to worry, I was just being a p***k
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 16, 2012, 11:07:19 AM
powers are doing an advanced special kauto to win gold cup 6/1, max stake 15quid. for limited period only.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 16, 2012, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 16, 2012, 10:52:22 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 16, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
got a tip for babymix in the first today. pretty clueless truth be told, tell me if im wasting my time?

Have heard that there had been a bit of money for this horse

cheers. have took a small punt on her/him/it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 16, 2012, 12:04:13 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 16, 2012, 11:07:19 AM
powers are doing an advanced special kauto to win gold cup 6/1, max stake 15quid. for limited period only.

Kauto is on the drift anyway -

A lot of money for Burtonport.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 16, 2012, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 16, 2012, 11:07:19 AM
powers are doing an advanced special kauto to win gold cup 6/1, max stake 15quid. for limited period only.

Paddy Power's not saft.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 16, 2012, 03:33:37 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Kauto never should have been run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2012, 03:47:53 PM
It's a strange old game. Everybody on the winning podium (well, with the exception of the groom) is Irish, but this will go into the  books as an English win in the Gold Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mick999 on March 16, 2012, 03:52:16 PM
Where does JP / JonJo train their horses ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2012, 04:01:13 PM
Jonjo is at Jackdaw's Castle, close to Cheltenham. JP has horses with dozens of trainers, here and in England.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 16, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
2 Great rides today-Mc Coy on Synchronised and Carberry on Bellvano-an absolute joy to watch both legends at their best!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 16, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 16, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
2 Great rides today-Mc Coy on Synchronised and Carberry on Bellvano-an absolute joy to watch both legends at their best!


Excellent but it takes a superhuman effort to applaud it when it comes from nowhere just when you thought you were getting out on the last race. Four seconds today - frustrating.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on March 16, 2012, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 16, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
2 Great rides today-Mc Coy on Synchronised and Carberry on Bellvano-an absolute joy to watch both legends at their best!

You couldn't say the same about Walsh on Boston Bob.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on March 16, 2012, 10:22:10 PM
imo boston bob didnt travel well enough and the winner won well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 16, 2012, 10:39:08 PM
Great ride by McCoy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 17, 2012, 01:12:34 AM
Some performance by horse, jockey ad trainer in the Gold Cup. It was far from a great renewal but what that horse lacks in class he makes up for it in heart and toughness. A sledgehammer wouldn't knock him over. Delighted for JP who puts so much into the game. I remember the dam Moyasta well. Frank Berry got her off the late great Con Collins when he was training down in Kilcullen. I recall her winning plenty of races with Conor O'Dwyer up and I think she won a big handicap hurdle with McCoy in the saddle at the Punchestown Festival one year. Don't know if she's still with us but it was also great to see the sire of sires still stamping his authority on the greatest races in the world both flat and jumps.

Boston Bob was obviously the big disappointment of the day and probably fair to say it wasn't Walsh's finest hour. Seemed to be ridden as if they were concerned that stamina was going to be an issue. I'm certain if he could ride the horse again he'd have him a bit handier. Whether he'd have won, who knows. Some of Willie's ran a bit flat this week and the winner only seemed to be idling in front. Presume they'll go to Punchestown with him now but I cannot wait to see him jump a fence next season.

Despite marvellous rides from both McCoy in the feature and Carberry in the last I though Colman Sweeney's effort on Salsify was top class. It's a pity that his weight stops him from riding as often as he'd like because he's one of the most natural horsemen in the country. One of the highlights of a fairly mixed week was the top class displays from the likes of Sweeney, John Thomas McNamara and Alan Berry - amateurs in name only.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 17, 2012, 01:24:19 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 16, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 16, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
2 Great rides today-Mc Coy on Synchronised and Carberry on Bellvano-an absolute joy to watch both legends at their best!


Excellent but it takes a superhuman effort to applaud it when it comes from nowhere just when you thought you were getting out on the last race. Four seconds today - frustrating.


Was also on tanks a lot. Gutted thought id get out of jail. In fairnesss I only lost 15 quid so not pissed off. Tomorrow is the day for making money
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 17, 2012, 09:40:57 AM
McCoy gave Synchronised a cracker of a ride. His losing ride on Albertas on Thursday was top drawer too.

Ruby 34, AP 27 and Barry G 25 in all time festival winners list now. Pat Taaffe has 25 too. No one else in 20s. The three lads might be earning more than other jocks but still get paid feck all in comparison to other sports. Mighty men the lot of them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 17, 2012, 10:47:45 AM
QuoteMighty men the lot of them.

Absolutely great lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on March 17, 2012, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on March 17, 2012, 09:40:57 AM
McCoy gave Synchronised a cracker of a ride. His losing ride on Albertas on Thursday was top drawer too.

Ruby 34, AP 27 and Barry G 25 in all time festival winners list now. Pat Taaffe has 25 too. No one else in 20s. The three lads might be earning more than other jocks but still get paid feck all in comparison to other sports. Mighty men the lot of them.

A fair bit more than GAA players... ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 18, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
What did u guys make of Voler La Vadette ? looked nailed on before the horse switched to the rail(whether it drifted or was the jockey i haven't a clue) for me though it was def travelling the better at that stage.

Also watched at the races this morning and that guy Andrew Knott (owner of Hunt ball) was online and the interview was hillarious you get a chance lads watch it online. He says he told Schofield when he got to the top of the hill to look back and shout at Barry Geraghty "Barry where are ya" lol looper. Not so silly though he won over half a million on that race through bets
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magicmcguiness on March 18, 2012, 01:44:06 PM
post up a link there to it,winsamsoon
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 19, 2012, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 18, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
What did u guys make of Voler La Vadette ? looked nailed on before the horse switched to the rail(whether it drifted or was the jockey i haven't a clue) for me though it was def travelling the better at that stage.

It was a deliberate and brilliant move by Andrew Lynch. Big Bucks only dosses in front and Walsh was desperate for something to race against to keep him from pulling himself up. Lynch wanted to put as much width between his mare and Big Bucks to try and go by him without getting sucked into a battle but Walsh copped on to what he was trying to do.

VLV didn't lose anything in defeat but she probably doesn't get 3 miles as well as BB. Pity we won't get a rematch with BB going to Liverpool and VLV going to Punchestown. I think the sharp 3 miles at Liverpool would play more to VLV's strengths than Punchestown but she's supposedly not the best traveller so two trips to England in a short space of time is probably beyond her.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 19, 2012, 11:25:23 PM
Ted was having a great laugh about that and was full of praise for Andrew Lynch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 19, 2012, 11:39:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wloWIFTwEg                                                  the legend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 19, 2012, 11:42:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hyh85P8wpI

Theres that interview aswell magic lol it was that same eejit that rode the horse and celebrated miles before the line lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 19, 2012, 11:46:14 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 19, 2012, 11:42:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hyh85P8wpI

Theres that interview aswell magic lol it was that same eejit that rode the horse and celebrated miles before the line lol

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16790.msg825393#msg825393 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16790.msg825393#msg825393)

;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 19, 2012, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 19, 2012, 11:46:14 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 19, 2012, 11:42:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hyh85P8wpI

Theres that interview aswell magic lol it was that same eejit that rode the horse and celebrated miles before the line lol

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16790.msg825393#msg825393 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16790.msg825393#msg825393)

;D

Absolute character who just loves racing full stop lol

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 22, 2012, 04:13:37 PM
Just got a text through saying HENRY HOOK fancied in the 4.20 @ Chepstow  :-\ I'm on @ 6s
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 22, 2012, 08:33:57 PM
Cheltenham over - all eyes turn to Meydan. And Aidan O'Brien has taken aim at the desert this year. Six entries spread across four Group 1s. So You Think, Treasure Beach, St. Nicholas Abbey, Await The Dawn, Wrote and Daddy Long Legs all named in the "likely field" on the Dubai Racing Club website.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 25, 2012, 12:06:17 AM
Wrote is the High Chaparral colt that is being aimed at Kentucky isn't he?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
RIP Montjeu.

What a monumental blow for Coolmore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYfsNkEs2jg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYfsNkEs2jg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on March 29, 2012, 09:24:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGiJ8njuWQ
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 29, 2012, 09:55:31 PM
Controversy over the way Norah Starr was ridden in the 7-05 this evening with a hefty 60 day ban for the horse and connections in trouble
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on March 29, 2012, 10:36:07 PM
Just watched the replay... ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
Going to have my first bet of the flat season today. Like the look of DK's Exhortation up at Dundalk. Class form with Akeed Mofeed and Athens at Leopardstown. Should be up to winning an ordinary Dundalk maiden.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 30, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
three I might have a flutter on this avo

2.20 Lingfield - Talbot Green
3.25 Lingfield - Addikt 
3.50 Wetherby - Kilkenny All Star

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 31, 2012, 01:50:42 PM
Stats based ratings for the Lincoln

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/Lincolnstats-1.png)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 31, 2012, 03:28:25 PM
Prince De Beauchene ruled out of Liverpool
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 31, 2012, 06:04:50 PM
Geraghty putting on some show at Navan today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 03, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
Anyone know if Seabass is taking his chance at Fairyhouse or Aintree ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 03, 2012, 06:40:52 PM
for the stats men amongst you

Irish Grand National Trends Summary:
11/11 - Carried 11-0 or less
10/11 - Aged 9 or younger
10/11 - Ran within the last 2 months
9/11 - Carried 10-5 or less
9/11 - Had won over at least 3m before
7/11 - Won by either a 7 or 8 year-old
3/11 - Won by a UK-based trainer
0/11 - Won by a Willie Mullins-trained horse
0/11 - Won by the favourite
The average winning SP in the last 11 years is 19/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 03, 2012, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: maddog on April 03, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
Anyone know if Seabass is taking his chance at Fairyhouse or Aintree ?

Ted has been out and about recently looking for spruce to build a few Liverpool type fences  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 05, 2012, 10:10:05 AM
Frankel camp unmoved by £1m offer to take on Black Caviar at Goodwood
A £1m offer has been made to connections of Frankel and Black Caviar in the hope that it will bring the two horses together in the Sussex Stakes at Goodwood on 1 August. The move by Qipco, sponsor of the Sussex, represents the most aggressive attempt so far to engineer a clash between the champions of the northern and southern hemispheres, but the immediate reaction from the Frankel camp on Wednesday was that it would not affect their plans.

Although the Sussex Stakes would normally carry prize money of £300,000, Qipco will make that £1m if both horses line up. But the race is over a mile and it remains the case that Frankel is expected to be aimed at 10-furlong races by that stage of the season.

"At the moment the plan is to start in the Lockinge Stakes at Newbury and then go to Royal Ascot for either the Queen Anne or the Prince of Wales's Stakes," said Teddy Grimthorpe, racing manager to Frankel's owner, Khalid Abdullah. "Depending upon how things develop, we are then considering going over a mile and a quarter for races such as the Eclipse and the Juddmonte, but there's no need to be making those decisions yet.

"If we were to stay at a mile then running in the Sussex Stakes is a possibility, but I'm afraid the extra prize money is not going to influence any decisions, even though it is a very generous gesture by Qipco and Goodwood, and I can entirely understand why they would want to attract both horses."

Grimthorpe denied that protecting Frankel's future value as a stallion would be the foremost consideration in planning his programme. "It's not simply a question of commercial considerations," he said. "The principal deciding factor will be to let Frankel show us where he wants to go. Henry [Cecil, the horse's trainer] will listen to Frankel and let him tell us."

While Frankel beat Canford Cliffs in last year's Sussex Stakes, a notable clash in itself that was billed as 'The Duel on the Downs', Black Caviar has never raced beyond seven furlongs and will be kept to six furlongs when she turns up at Royal Ascot for the Diamond Jubilee Stakes.

"If Black Caviar is ever going to run over a mile, it might just be at an easy track like Goodwood," said Adam Waterworth, Goodwood's managing director. "We realise that it may well not come off, but if Black Caviar and Frankel are going to clash anywhere, it could well be in this race and it would obviously be fantastic for us if they did so.

"There are some criticisms you can make about this kind of offer, but it's not a £1m bonus, it's an addition to the total prize money, so even the horses that finish third and fourth will be big winners. I don't think it's unrealistic to think it could happen and if the additional prize money makes any difference, then it will have been worth it. It would be the race of the year and probably the race of the decade.

"Any racecourse which has a Group One has ambitions to make it a brilliant, must-see race every year and Goodwood is no exception. To some extent last year's race and The Duel on the Downs fell into our laps, but we're trying to be a little more proactive this time."

With the entries for the race closing at the end of May, Waterworth's first aim will be to ensure that both horses are at least given the option of lining up.

Meanwhile Frankel's half-brother, Noble Mission, is one of five horses supplemented by Cecil for the Irish Derby on 30 June. The horse is already entered for the Epsom equivalent. Also added to the list of Irish entries is Godolphin's Swedish Sailor, Noble Mission's conqueror in a Yarmouth maiden last October.

Maljimar, trained in Devon by Nick Williams and ridden by James Reveley, became the first British-trained horse to land a leg of the Crystal Cup series of cross-country jump races since the series began in 2010, scoring at Fontainebleau.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 05, 2012, 11:44:56 AM
saint gervais should really win the 4.45 maiden hurdle today at clonmel, some very good bumper form last summer but things haven't really gone for him yet this season. the good ground he enjoyed last summer is back for the first time for him today and should win at evens

2nd favourite now non runner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 05, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Black Caviar would hardly stay a mile would she?

If she's coming over to Europe I'd presume it'll be for the two sprints at Royal Ascot and the July Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: attheraces on April 06, 2012, 03:49:14 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 05, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Black Caviar would hardly stay a mile would she?

If she's coming over to Europe I'd presume it'll be for the two sprints at Royal Ascot and the July Cup.

Wouldnt really be fair? Frankels proven at mile, black caviar isn't. Frankel has raced and won at Goodwood before, the mare would hardly have raced at a track like goodwood in aus would she? Plus the fact she'd have to travel round the world! I'd say the arabs might come in with a major move to try match the two! I welcome any moves to pit them together, some horse would probably have to compromise but would be fantastic for the sport!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 07, 2012, 02:09:25 PM
By Colm Kelpie irishindependent.ie


Saturday April 07 2012

TRIBUTES were paid last night to a father of four young children who died following an accident involving a horse.

Edward Butler, from Athgarvan Heights, Newbridge, Co Kildare, was killed in the accident on Wednesday. The circumstances surrounding the tragedy are unclear but Mr Butler may have suffered a fall while breaking in the young horse.

He was the father of two boys and two girls, with the eldest a young teenager. Friends last night spoke of a popular man who was respected within racing circles.

Evan Arkwright, commercial manager with the Curragh Racecourse, said: "He was a very nice man. His family was very well respected in the racing community. It is tragic."

Mr Butler had joined the Army as a cadet, and rose up through the ranks before leaving. It is understood he had been working breaking in young horses. His brother Gerard is a well-known trainer in the UK.

Paul Hensey, Curragh general manager, said Mr Butler was a "great character".

"He was very well known -- you couldn't but like him."

Mr Butler's funeral is due to take place on Monday morning at Dominican College Church in Newbridge.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DownFanatic on April 07, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
Gabrial at the 3.50pm in Musselburgh today. Im on it like a car bonnet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 07, 2012, 09:47:25 PM
4.35 plumpton

Double Handful

The jock is sweet on him, currently about 5/2... i'll have a wee nibble
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 07, 2012, 10:02:13 PM
Expect Teelin Star to be very strong for the big Gigginstown bumper at Fairyhouse on Monday. The p2p crowd were raving about this horse after Colman Sweeney won on him down at Lismore a three weeks ago. Could be another star of the future to add to the list of class horses to have won this race in recent years - Pandorama, Last Instalment, Simonsig.

Looking at the entries for the other bumper on Monday too and it could be the best contest ran in Ireland outside of the Punchestown Festival for many years - Don Cossack, Raise The Beat, Pique Sous, Sword Of Honour and Ange Blanc all entered up at the moment.

Compare that to the Imperial Call Chase down at Mallow tomorrow which has to be one of the worst Grade 3 races ever ran. Nearly €18,000 to the winner and a handy €1,100 for fourth place yet only four entries the highest rated of which is 107. It epitomises everything that is wrong with Irish racing at the moment and is a bit of an insult to the fabulous horse that it is named after.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 09, 2012, 12:44:02 PM
Who you backing in the national DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on April 09, 2012, 01:01:37 PM
I'm on Aigle D'Or and Glam Gerry
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 09, 2012, 01:07:01 PM
I'm on Paddy Pub and I don't know why!!!!








Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 09, 2012, 02:27:12 PM
Get me out of Here, Marlay Park (e/w), a double involving Allure of Illusion and Teelin Star with Cross Appeal (e/w) for the National are my route to losing money at Fairyhouse today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 09, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
giggity giggity does it again Teelin star very dissapointing DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 09, 2012, 05:16:30 PM
I didn't bother posting my outworking of the stats for the Irish National here as Maddog had posted his criteria and because there were too many bunched at the top, but this is what they were - the top 6 had the winner and two placed.

Lion Na Bearnai     24.64
Cross Appeal     24.64
The Last Derby     24.28
Paddy Pub     24.28
Some Target     24.12
Out Now     23.72

In fairness, I wouldn't have been advocating any heavy commitment based on these numbers. As nothing stood out I just decided to pick one for a small punt just for the interest and luckily I went for the winner - 60 on Betfair. Happy days.

Maddog, I hope he came out top of your list and you made some money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2012, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on April 09, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
giggity giggity does it again Teelin star very dissapointing DH

Yeah he hung like a gate the whole way round.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on April 09, 2012, 10:26:14 PM
have to say don cossack is a fair tool  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 10, 2012, 12:05:51 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 09, 2012, 05:16:30 PM
I didn't bother posting my outworking of the stats for the Irish National here as Maddog had posted his criteria and because there were too many bunched at the top, but this is what they were - the top 6 had the winner and two placed.

Lion Na Bearnai     24.64
Cross Appeal     24.64
The Last Derby     24.28
Paddy Pub     24.28
Some Target     24.12
Out Now     23.72

In fairness, I wouldn't have been advocating any heavy commitment based on these numbers. As nothing stood out I just decided to pick one for a small punt just for the interest and luckily I went for the winner - 60 on Betfair. Happy days.

Maddog, I hope he came out top of your list and you made some money.

No the stats went out the window and i backed 4 commanders, which i dont think was ever mentioned. Ah well, seebass and chicago grey backed for Aintree so will see how that goes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 10, 2012, 01:10:30 PM
Wonder what price FINGAL BAY will be now the rain is coming.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 10, 2012, 02:27:29 PM
Edeymi & Salsify small double today...  :-X  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 10, 2012, 10:19:00 PM
Any of the Kildare lads have any suggestions as to somewhere fairly affordable to stay in Naas the Friday night of the Punchestown festival? I'm guessing this night gets booked out fairly quickly?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 11, 2012, 08:26:08 PM
Stats profiles for a couple of races at Aintree tomorrow:

Foxhunters
Gwanako    27.37
Sheriff Hutton    27.37
Silver Adonis    27.37
My Way de Solzen    27.35
Cloudy Lane    24.31
Fresh Air And Fun    23.97
The Polomoche    23.97
Offshore Account    23.95
Unowatimeen    23.95
Island Life    20.55
Presentandcorrect    20.55
Bow School    19.97
Launde    19.95
Keenan's Future    17.87
Herons well     17.85
Boxer Georg    17.30
Emergency Cover    16.94
Roulez Cool     14.45
Eleazar    14.07
William Butler    14.07
Teddy's Reflection    13.88
Harps Counsel    12.94
Kildonnan     10.65
Sizing America    9.88
Blackstaff    7.04
King Of The Road    3.42


Red Rum Handicap
Song Sung Blue    20.65
De Boitron    20.65
Echo Bob    20.64
Silk Drum    17.80
Tanks For That    17.27
Tara Royal     17.17
Free World    17.04
Kumbeshwar     16.23
Kid Cassidy    16.23
Astracad    16.23
Takeroc    14.42
Edgardo Sol    12.63
Oiseau de Nuit    10.07
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 11, 2012, 10:10:42 PM
what do these stats take into account hardy. i can see their merit in a huge handicap field like any of the nationals but there's only 13 runners in that handicap tomorrow. For what its worth silk drum won it last year off 5lbs higher so is an obvious danger and free world was going quite while when falling at cheltenham, both about 10-12/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 11:46:15 AM
Jockey, the stats typically include age, betting, weight, performance over similar distances, etc. Here's a typical example posted by maddog for the Irish National, showing the winners' stats from the last eleven renewals (all eleven winners carried 11-0 or less, etc.):

Irish Grand National Trends Summary:
11/11 - Carried 11-0 or less
10/11 - Aged 9 or younger
10/11 - Ran within the last 2 months
9/11 - Carried 10-5 or less
9/11 - Had won over at least 3m before
7/11 - Won by either a 7 or 8 year-old
3/11 - Won by a UK-based trainer
0/11 - Won by a Willie Mullins-trained horse
0/11 - Won by the favourite
The average winning SP in the last 11 years is 19/1

I've just devised my own scoring system where I weight the individual stats for relevance and apply a few other filters, which results in a score for each runner.

I use various stats-based betting systems and this is just one of them, applicable to big races where the stats are easily available, so I don't have to work them out for myself. I generally only apply it when it throws up well-priced contenders. I keep records and this one has delivered a few good winners and each way payouts for me over the last few years, including

Three of first four in 2007 Aintree National, including
- winner Silver Birch at 33/1
- Philson Run placed at 100/1
Niche Market won Irish National 2009 at 33/1
Merigo (18/1) and Gone To Lunch (15/2), 1st and 2nd in the Scottish National 2010
Poker De Sivola (11/1) Bet365 Gold Cup 2011
Margot Did (20/1) Nunthorpe Stakes, York August 2011
Ermyn Lodge 2nd in Caesarewitch, 2011 at 16/1
Le Beau Bai won Welsh National 2011 at 10/1
Eton Forever placed in 2012 Lincoln at 10/1
Lion Na Bearnai (winner, 33/1 returned at 71 on Betfair SP) and Paddy Pub (placed 20/1) Irish national 2012

As regards the relevance of stats in a small field, while a small field does not necessarily negate the statistics, obviously they should be applied with judgement - some stats are clearly not relevant; other times the stats don't really separate the runners; and whatever the stats say, it would be foolish to oppose Big Buck's today, I think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on April 12, 2012, 01:56:13 PM
Don't know if this is one for the WTF thread but BBC2 have just shown a betting slip with a CASH bet of £500.000 on Big Bucks. Whoever done it must have Big Balls as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on April 12, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
Fair Fcuks to he or she whoever they may be for that gamble. Also Big Bucks what a horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 12, 2012, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 12, 2012, 01:56:13 PM
Don't know if this is one for the WTF thread but BBC2 have just shown a betting slip with a CASH bet of £500.000 on Big Bucks. Whoever done it must have Big Balls as well.

Sounds like an RV bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 12, 2012, 02:24:52 PM
Quote from: maddog on April 12, 2012, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 12, 2012, 01:56:13 PM
Don't know if this is one for the WTF thread but BBC2 have just shown a betting slip with a CASH bet of £500.000 on Big Bucks. Whoever done it must have Big Balls as well.

Sounds like an RV bet

(http://www.theoffside.com/files/2010/08/1291249652-rudi-voeller.9.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on April 12, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
Yep," I'm amillionaire TWICE over". ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 12, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 12, 2012, 01:56:13 PM
Don't know if this is one for the WTF thread but BBC2 have just shown a betting slip with a CASH bet of £500.000 on Big Bucks. Whoever done it must have Big Balls as well.

Does anyone follow floyd mayweather on twitter? - seems to always be posting pictures of bets with crazy stakes!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 12, 2012, 03:11:47 PM
An off sales proprietor in Lurgan passes his time by posting pics of his winning bets on Facebook. If only he would post the losers as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 12, 2012, 03:35:21 PM
Oliver mc Kiernan with a 50/1 winner at Aintree and i talk myself out of backing it-holy god! :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2012, 06:02:57 PM
Follow The Plan! How bad are the current crop of staying chasers?


Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 10, 2012, 10:19:00 PM
Any of the Kildare lads have any suggestions as to somewhere fairly affordable to stay in Naas the Friday night of the Punchestown festival? I'm guessing this night gets booked out fairly quickly?

The accomodation list on their own website is fairly comprehensive (just click the links on the right hand side of the page): http://www.punchestown.com/accommodation.asp (http://www.punchestown.com/accommodation.asp)

Don't confine yourself to Naas if you can't find anywhere suitable. The likes of Newbridge and Clane would only be 10-15 minutes away in a taxi. You might be lucky and get somewhere in Naas, it's hard to know. Most of the English crowd that come over stay in Dublin rather than locally.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 12, 2012, 07:01:37 PM
Fingal Bay best price 7/4 at the minute, a bit short for a horse coming back from injury and tackling 3m for the first time. Could Cotton Mill be the one to beat him after unseating against Simonsig?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
How the hell was the result of the last race at Gowran Park allowed to stand? Johnny ended up on the chase course and was only beaten a short head. What were the stewards watching?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 13, 2012, 12:28:38 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
How the hell was the result of the last race at Gowran Park allowed to stand? Johnny ended up on the chase course and was only beaten a short head. What were the stewards watching?

They must've had a few quid on the winner  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 13, 2012, 01:04:25 PM
Top rated horses on the stats for the Topham

Frankie Figg    27.54
Gonebeyondrecall    23.74
Sunday City    24.68
Aimigayle     24.05
Fabalu    24.25
Douglas Julian    24.25
Arklow Ger    20.79
Paradis de Thaix    20.25
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 13, 2012, 01:51:30 PM
NAP of the day Albertas Run 9/4 to bate Finians Rainbow in the 3.05. Long shot of the day, Moon Over Miami 40/1 in the 3.40 Topham but there's 5 places...  Golden Call in the 4.15 Ginger McCains runners perform well around home...  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on April 13, 2012, 03:15:32 PM
Finians Rainbow wins. Nice favs treble on the first 3 at Ainetree.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 13, 2012, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on March 30, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
three I might have a flutter on this avo

2.20 Lingfield - Talbot Green
3.25 Lingfield - Addikt 
3.50 Wetherby - Kilkenny All Star

I fecking missed KK AS today!!  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 13, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
Hardy have you put up your by now legendary stats for the National tomorrow?  :D
I remember getting Comply or Die in 2008 from your stats and I think I'v got a few places from you over the years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on April 13, 2012, 06:44:53 PM
really like dessie hughes runners tomorrow, black apalachi has been shafted by the handicapper not being dropped after nearly two years out. Vic venturi might not be the same horse but finished third at punchestown last may in the g1 chase won by follow the plan who won the g1 at aintree yesterday. Now right at the bottom of the weights and over 100 on betfair. Rare bob dropping down the weights too. Admirable shout to organised confusion as well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: boojangles on April 13, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
Hardy have you put up your by now legendary stats for the National tomorrow?  :D
I remember getting Comply or Die in 2008 from your stats and I think I'v got a few places from you over the years.


I'm not planning to look at the stats for the National at all, Boojangles. They've been a little less than legendary for the last few years. The handicapper has thrown out the rule book for the National and the stats that stood the test of years just don't hold up any more, with horses humping big weights around to win, horses that weren't good enough one year turning up to win it the next and so on. A new set of stats will emerge in a few years, probably.

I don't know what I'm backing till I stick the pin  in the paper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 14, 2012, 10:29:46 AM
There's something a bit odd about Planet of Sound's rating. Second in the Hennessy off 158 and runs off 156 today? That's quite leniant considering he's only run once since the Hennessy (nd put up an equally respectable performance). He's also won a Haldon Gold Cup and a Punchestown Gold Cup, and has been placed in an Arkle and as well as chasing home Imperial Commander and Kauto Star in the 2010 Betfair Chase. He's a sound enough jumper and he's kept on improving with each step up in trip. I won't go as far as to say he's thrown in but he's certainly nicely handicapped and Johnson and Hobbs must be quietly fancying their chances of a first National.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 01:19:33 PM
OK – I couldn't stop myself. I ran the runners through the following set of stats, which try to take account of recent trends as well as longer term ones (e.g. relative rather than absolute weights, highly rated horses winnning recently).

Age 8-11   10/10
Age 9-10   8/10
No more than a stone heavier than bottom weight   10/10
Rated 144 or higher   Last 3
Irish Bred   9/10
Price 20/1or less   8/10
Won a chase worth 29K+   10/10
Won over 3M+   10/10
Ran in last 50 days   10/10
Ran over hurdles this season   8/10
Posted highest RPR left handed   9/10
Posted RPR of 140+ on one of last 3 chase starts   10/10

Five runners meet 11 of the twelve criteria:
Seabass
Chicago Grey
Organised Confusion
Sunnyhillboy
Killyglen

Five more tick ten of the twelve boxes:
Synchronised
Junior
Shakalakaboomboom
West End Rocker
Becauseicouldntsee


Applying weighting and scoring them accordingly doesn't do a whole lot to separate them, but here's how it comes out:

Seabass          38.61
Chicago Grey          38.49
Organisedconfusion          37.89
Sunnyhillboy          37.89
Killyglen          37.89
West End Rocker          35.61
Synchronised          35.01
Junior           34.85
Shakalakaboomboom          34.09
Becauseicouldntsee          34.09
Always Right          32.46
Rare Bob          32.04
According To Pete          31.97
Weird Al          31.86
Cappa Bleu          31.81
Arbor Supreme          31.54
BallaBriggs          31.41
The Midnight Club          30.94
Calgary Bay          28.86
Planet of Sound          28.82
On His Own          28.41
Treacle          28.41
Giles Cross          28.41
Alfa Beat          27.72
Tharawaat          27.34
Vic Venturi          25.26
Mon Mome          25.02
In Compliance          23.34
Neptune Collonges          22.22
Tatenen          21.82
Swing Bill          21.42
Midnight Haze          21.42
Neptune Equester          21.42
Black Apalachi          21.04
Hello Bud          20.86
State of Play 3          18.42
Viking Blond          18.42
Deep Purple          18.20
Postmaster          18.00
Quiscover Fontaine          17.30


As I said, this comes with a health warning, but I can't help doing a small each way dutch on the top five. The good news for me is that Seabass was my fancy anyway. I've also had a little punt on Alpha Beat at 170(!), 26 for the place as a fancied outsider who has been aimed at this for two years (though he wouldn't be alone in that).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on April 14, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
Would anybody have any links for watching this outside of Ireland and UK?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: amallon on April 14, 2012, 02:49:03 PM
Paddypower.com has crashed. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on April 14, 2012, 02:51:39 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on April 14, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
Would anybody have any links for watching this outside of Ireland and UK?

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/118903/1/watch-aintree-the-grand-national.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on April 14, 2012, 03:04:50 PM
Cheers el Cuervo thanks for that!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
An awful fall for Ruby in the hurdle. Amazingly, he walked away. How do you survive a ton of horse landing on top of you?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2012, 03:19:56 PM
Went for Killyglen and the picked 2 for the wife, Alway right and Always waining!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
Just announced Ruby is stood down for the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2012, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 14, 2012, 02:49:03 PM
Paddypower.com has crashed.
Loads of cash lost with that crash. Any tips?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Franko on April 14, 2012, 03:56:27 PM
Betfair has also crashed on me now...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: under the bar on April 14, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
Ladbrokes phone betting system has crashed buy paddypower.com back up again!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: CiKe on April 14, 2012, 04:46:15 PM
My first national win with the last bet! Thought Paddy Power was going to crash as didn't go through the first time...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Gold on April 14, 2012, 04:54:29 PM
How much did you have in CIKE?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: muppet on April 14, 2012, 05:01:05 PM
@racing_post Sadly, Gold Cup hero Synchronised and According To Pete are reported fatalities in the Grand National
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: CiKe on April 14, 2012, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: Gold on April 14, 2012, 04:54:29 PM
How much did you have in CIKE?

Only a fiver, more's the pity...had a fiver on each of four of them, Planet of Sound was going well but faded, never heard the other two mentioned.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2012, 05:17:52 PM
Frankel may never run again and such an admirable Gold Cup winner destroyed - what a bad day for racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 14, 2012, 05:24:25 PM
How many times could the horse be whipped before incurring a jockey ban in the national?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 14, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2012, 05:17:52 PM
Frankel may never run again and such an admirable Gold Cup winner destroyed - what a bad day for racing.
sad day all right, watching this race seeing horses and jockeys hitting the grd makes my stomach turn, is it really worth it? RIP to the horses. Jees the jockeys are brave men and women, no doubt, total lottery from winning to getting hurt.

On another note ive watched the finish 3/4 times and the over head shot shows the jockey riding the winner pushing it along alot more aggresively, the rider of sunnyhillboy was way to relaxed imo, what you reckon DH? im no expert but the winner wanted it way more,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2012, 05:44:35 PM
I love NH racing and made a living involved in the game for a number of years. The danger in working with animals is part and parcel of it and can never really be taken away. However, the changes to the national track in recent years have been misguided.

By reducing the height of the fences and not having them as tightly packed is encouraging the horses to go faster, thus increasing the chances of more fallers rather than reducing the numbers. Horses will make mistakes when they have to gallop half a stride faster than they want to. You only need to look how few fallers there are at the cross-country course at Cheltenham and the banks course at Punchestown. The jumping test is arguably greater than Aintree but they don't tend to fall because they only hack round. The English National is a brilliant spectacle but I think you'd want to be daft to run a good horse in it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 14, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
RIP to the horses.

What?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 14, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
On another note ive watched the finish 3/4 times and the over head shot shows the jockey riding the winner pushing it along alot more aggresively, the rider of sunnyhillboy was way to relaxed imo, what you reckon DH? im no expert but the winner wanted it way more,

I don't think McLernon knew the winner was coming until it was too late. He only hit the horse once in the last 100 yards. When he went by Katie, he must have figured he had it won as he was going best of anything at that stage and it seemed to me he wouldn't have known Jacob had got a tremendous acceleration out of Neptune. Another slap or two in the last 50 yards before it was too late might have got the extra six inches that would have won it. That's what I think anyway, though I'd be interested to hear what a proper horseman like DH thinks.

Great entertainment, though, even if the BBC are starting to get very annoying in the way they're trying to dumb down sport into Strictly Come Dancing and it's sad to see a respected figure like Mick Fitzgerald making a clown of himself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on April 14, 2012, 06:41:16 PM
why do the horse in the national have to line up behind a tape. seems a bit of mess every year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 14, 2012, 06:47:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 14, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
On another note ive watched the finish 3/4 times and the over head shot shows the jockey riding the winner pushing it along alot more aggresively, the rider of sunnyhillboy was way to relaxed imo, what you reckon DH? im no expert but the winner wanted it way more,

I don't think McLernon knew the winner was coming until it was too late. He only hit the horse once in the last 100 yards. When he went by Katie, he must have figured he had it won as he was going best of anything at that stage and it seemed to me he wouldn't have known Jacob had got a tremendous acceleration out of Neptune. Another slap or two in the last 50 yards before it was too late might have got the extra six inches that would have won it. That's what I think anyway, though I'd be interested to hear what a proper horseman like DH thinks.

Great entertainment, though, even if the BBC are starting to get very annoying in the way they're trying to dumb down sport into Strictly Come Dancing and it's sad to see a respected figure like Mick Fitzgerald making a clown of himself.
I think that was the last year at the Beeb. Channel 4 next year I think.

I backed 3 horses and they were all gone on the first circuit!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mylestheslasher on April 14, 2012, 07:40:21 PM
My 5 year old daughter picked the winner, 2 year old sons came in 4th, fiver each way on both. My two bets didnt make it past 10 fences.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ross4life on April 14, 2012, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 14, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
RIP to the horses.

What?

For some reason i can't help thinking of this..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKqDvAxJ6Q&feature=related
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 14, 2012, 07:58:55 PM
No one know then how many times the horse can be whipped to incur a ban in the national?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 14, 2012, 08:02:25 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 14, 2012, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 14, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
RIP to the horses.

What?

For some reason i can't help thinking of this..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKqDvAxJ6Q&feature=related
that is funny ross4life ;D

however Hardy if you have a problem with what i said you can fck urself
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
Charming. I have no problem with what you said. I have long learned to expect the surreal from your posts and I love them for the way they beat the English language about the head with a brick and fart in the face of sense.

"RIP the horses" was great.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 08:13:34 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on April 14, 2012, 07:58:55 PM
No one know then how many times the horse can be whipped to incur a ban in the national?

Standard new rules apply. I think it's a maximum of nine lashes in the race with a maximum of five after the last fence. Something like that. Then there's a graduated series of penalties and severity of offence guidelines that I think are still being worked out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2012, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 14, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
On another note ive watched the finish 3/4 times and the over head shot shows the jockey riding the winner pushing it along alot more aggresively, the rider of sunnyhillboy was way to relaxed imo, what you reckon DH? im no expert but the winner wanted it way more,

I don't think McLernon knew the winner was coming until it was too late. He only hit the horse once in the last 100 yards. When he went by Katie, he must have figured he had it won as he was going best of anything at that stage and it seemed to me he wouldn't have known Jacob had got a tremendous acceleration out of Neptune. Another slap or two in the last 50 yards before it was too late might have got the extra six inches that would have won it. That's what I think anyway, though I'd be interested to hear what a proper horseman like DH thinks.

Great entertainment, though, even if the BBC are starting to get very annoying in the way they're trying to dumb down sport into Strictly Come Dancing and it's sad to see a respected figure like Mick Fitzgerald making a clown of himself.

It's impossible to judge really but I will say that the further you go the less effective the stick can become. If anything giving the horse another smack or two after four and a half miles when it is running out of petrol could have a negative effect. Tough day for Jonjo and JP losing out by the width of a rizla paper and having an empty box at Jackdaws which housed the reigning Gold Cup winner last night.

As for the BBC's coverage - simply awful. Mick Fitz and Dunwoody were fine riders but they're very poor on the box. Norman Williamson was excellent on their coverage a few years ago but for some reason he wasn't retained. Hopefully Channel 4 will give the likes of Ascot, Epsom and Liverpool the coverage they deserve. I won't hold my breath on that one though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 15, 2012, 12:05:42 AM
I know he's not the first horse to die round Aintree but I find it incredibly sad that a Gold Cup winner had to be put down today. Surely after winning the ultimate prize in chasing a horse should have been afforded the rest of the season off? I was questioning JPs/ John Joes wisdom before the race but surely they must have serious regrets among other emotions tonight.

RIP Synchronized and According to Pete

On another note, while I didn't see much of BBC's coverage today I have to say I enjoy Mick Fitzgerald's input usually, especially on ATR. Gives far greater insight and analysis than any other expert that I know of.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 15, 2012, 02:11:40 AM
For first time in my life I have come to the conclusion the national should be banned. Its such a false showpiece for our sport in what is no more than a glorified handicap for the bookies benefit. RFC promote the derby gold cup or champions day instead. For too long now the national has provided more questions than answers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on April 15, 2012, 08:23:17 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
Charming. I have no problem with what you said. I have long learned to expect the surreal from your posts and I love them for the way they beat the English language about the head with a brick and fart in the face of sense.

"RIP the horses" was great.

Man, that was bloody wonderful. If you made that up I can only salute you. Nearly pissed myself in bed here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 15, 2012, 10:29:21 AM
Had neptune collonges,after timing i know but hey a 33/1 winner i couldn't give a f**k who believes me or not,had talked myself out of backing him having backed him flat out for about 3 years but my aunt asked me to put a few quid e/w on seabass for her so when i went down i said i better do neptune or i'll be sick-im still full form last night and i think the cure is the order ofthe day too  :D All thanks to a little tenner e/w yyyyyyyyyyoooooooooo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on April 16, 2012, 09:22:24 AM
Whatever about the National this is some story for the Tipp lads:

CLIFFORD COONAN in Beijing

IRELAND IS set to play a key role in efforts to develop China's horse racing industry after it announced a €40 million export tie-in with the country's first national equine facility, based in Tianjin.

The Tianjin Equine Culture City will be the first of its kind in China and the €1.5 billion project will open in phases from next year.

It will generate €40 million for Ireland over the next three years.

The news was announced by Minister for Agriculture Simon Coveney, who is leading Ireland's largest agriculture and food trade mission to China this week, the latest in a series of high-profile visits to the key Chinese market.

"This initiative should facilitate the development of a major export market for horses from Ireland and has the potential to provide a range of business opportunities for companies and individuals in Ireland who can bring a wide range of expertise to the project," said Mr Coveney.

The deal marks the first Chinese government involvement with an overseas joint venture in horse racing and breeding.

The element of state involvement is significant because backing horse racing in China can be a bit of gamble in itself.

Betting is a major taboo in mainland China – chairman Mao Zedong's communists banned all forms of gambling after the revolution in 1949. Hong Kong is the only venue on Chinese soil where betting on horses is legal and authorities are unlikely to legalise gambling on the mainland anytime soon.

There have been various projects aimed at taking advantage of the horse racing market in China in the event of the rules changing, but many have failed or been downsized drastically.

At the same time, there has been some restricted horse racing in China in recent years. Rather than gambling, punters can earn shopping vouchers or lottery tickets in raffles held between races.

Bai Zhisheng of the state-owned Tianjin State Farm Agribusiness Group said the tie-in helped ensure the group's project was firmly established.

"We would like to accelerate the progress of the development . . . to get it completed, and with high-level partners this will help us achieve it," said Mr Bai.

The racing venture and racecourse will require 600 to 800 horses for its inaugural year, which is targeted to have approximately 40 race days.

While Ireland has no agreement regarding the export of horses, a delegation statement said discussions were ongoing about sourcing of this bloodstock with Ireland enjoying favoured status.

The new facility in Tianjin, a city of 12 million, will feature 4,000 horse stalls, a horse clinic, 150 trainers' offices, five training tracks, and two international standard racetracks.

It will also host a grandstand, a club house, an international equestrian college and a horse auction house on a 3.3 million square metre site.

The breeding programme will involve an agreement to import over 100 mares in the next three years.

The project will also involve the acquisition of stallions.

The link will include Ireland hosting seven of China's top agriculture graduates, who will spend two months at Coolmore Stud learning the industry.

"The sector plays a huge part in the Irish economy, currently generating €1.1 billion annually. This industry is something we are good at, and today one of the biggest markets in the world has recognised that and has chosen to partner with Ireland," said racing tycoon JP Magnier, speaking on behalf of Coolmore.

The trade delegation includes 51 companies and 127 individuals active in China. These are drawn from the meat, dairy, seafood, beverage, bloodstock and agri-services sectors.

The mission, which runs until Sunday, will also include Irish universities involved in the provision of educational courses in food safety and agriculture science.

The visit follows the high-profile visit of vice-president Xi Jinping to Ireland in February, during which he visited a farm in Clare.

Irish food and drink exports to Asia are estimated at €370 million for 2011, up 40 per cent on the previous year.

The main components of trade are dairy ingredients, including infant formula, pigmeat, fish and alcoholic beverages.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on April 16, 2012, 09:48:19 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 15, 2012, 02:11:40 AM
For first time in my life I have come to the conclusion the national should be banned. Its such a false showpiece for our sport in what is no more than a glorified handicap for the bookies benefit. RFC promote the derby gold cup or champions day instead. For too long now the national has provided more questions than answers

Couldn't disagree more. It's the sheer carnage and unpredictability of the National that makes it so thrilling. It's heart in mouth stuff from start to finish, and having watched the banality and boredom of GAA and soccer semi-finals at the weekend, the horse racing was from a different planet.

You can call it a bookies benefit but the champion was a multiple grade 1 winner, who has finished in the top 3 in two thirds of all races he has entered. Apart from Synchronised he was the most decorated horse in the field, but for some reason never caught anyone's imagination.

(I won by the way)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 16, 2012, 10:06:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 16, 2012, 09:48:19 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 15, 2012, 02:11:40 AM
For first time in my life I have come to the conclusion the national should be banned. Its such a false showpiece for our sport in what is no more than a glorified handicap for the bookies benefit. RFC promote the derby gold cup or champions day instead. For too long now the national has provided more questions than answers

Couldn't disagree more. It's the sheer carnage and unpredictability of the National that makes it so thrilling. It's heart in mouth stuff from start to finish, and having watched the banality and boredom of GAA and soccer semi-finals at the weekend, the horse racing was from a different planet.

You can call it a bookies benefit but the champion was a multiple grade 1 winner, who has finished in the top 3 in two thirds of all races he has entered. Apart from Synchronised he was the most decorated horse in the field, but for some reason never caught anyone's imagination.

(I won by the way)

100% wobbler, the national should be left to well alone. In this world of sanitised health and safety PC nonsense we need events like the national. I look forward to it the way i look forward to the first round of the championship (no jokes about falling at the first please) Owners know the risks of putting a horse in the national, but horses die every week be it on the gallops, over hurdles, or a mundane steeplechase around Towcester and indeed every year at the biggest money spinner of the lot at Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: amallon on April 16, 2012, 10:08:10 AM
Just got a £10 free bet from PaddyPower for the site crashing on Saturday where should I waste it?  Any tips?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 16, 2012, 10:36:49 AM
I agree with the lads. It's a highlight of the year for me. I've loved it since the first time I saw it in grainy black-and-white. I love jump racing anyway, but this is a thing apart from normal racing and nothing else like it exists in sport.

I fear its days are numbered, though. You can feel the shiver as the ghouls gather on the sidelines. The headlines, even in the sport section now always include a reference to the dead horses, and hysteria about "carnage" and the like. (Not a word about Noel Fehily's broken leg, though - he's only a human being.) And the BBC feels the need to get Balding to put on a po-faced look and give us a couple of minutes about the "tragedy" (these people shouldn't be cheapening tragedy) of the dead horses and Pitman to give the people of Bambi-land a reassurance that the horses didn't suffer. It's on the agenda in a big way.

It's inexorable. They'll have it banned within a few years. And they won't stop there.

Having completed that rant, I do fear for the safety of the jockeys. But they're all adults.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on April 16, 2012, 11:27:27 AM
I can't see it being axed Hardy. It is racing's only genuine shop window to the unconverted, and without trying to sound overdramatic, almost the entire racing industry is dependent on the ties it generates each and every year.

Losing a couple of horses in the National is very sad. Putting an industry at risk, much more sad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on April 16, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
On a different note, i placed a bet on the winning jockey to incur a whip ban at 4/1 > i've watched the race over a few times and the jock on neptune has whipped the horse on at least 6 occassions since the last fence. How can i find out if the jockey got banned. I've checked sportinglife and theres no mention on there. Is there any site that offers this info?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 16, 2012, 11:39:39 AM
That bet caught my eye as well winsamsoon but I didn't do it. I was wondering why you were asking about the amount of lashes allowed a page or two back!

The independent bookies need the National. It is the only really busy day of the year now. Boxing Day has went to shit and Cheltenham isn't what it was.

What is the craic with the free bet on Paddy Power? Do all account holders get one or did you need to be logged on Saturday during the race?!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 16, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
Give it fifteen or twenty years and it could be in real danger of the axe. Chances are NH racing will be so sanitised at that stage that no one will miss it. The demise of jump racing in Australia shows that such a prediction is not being sensational.

The British media will drive an agenda against NH racing. The whip issue is the thin edge of the wedge. The majority of the British public have no comprehension of rural life. Anyone who has lived in the middle of London all their life has probably never encountered a thoroughbred racehorse or knows anyone who has. Compare that to here where people at most are only a generation or two removed from the land. Almost everyone in Ireland would have a relation or know someone involved in horses or some other type of agriculture. There is a real grá for NH racing in Ireland that transcends both rural and urban.

Two horses were killed in the Fairyhouse National a few years back and I can't recall any big outcry. It's tough but that's the game. Horses die on the flat - three at the Dubai World Cup meeting for example, yet I don't see anyone calling for Royal Ascot or the Epsom Derby to be banned.

I personally wouldn't miss the Aintree National. It's a great spectacle but there are many races of far greater quality at the Aintree meeting and I rarely have much interest in it from a betting point of view. 40 runners over the most demanding fences in Western Europe and the greatest distance of any race in the calendar. Not only that but it's a bloody handicap so you have some gobshite weighting all the horses to try and get them to finish in a line! The bookmakers might need this race but racing does not need bookmakers. They are a cancer on the game.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 16, 2012, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 16, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
Give it fifteen or twenty years and it could be in real danger of the axe. Chances are NH racing will be so sanitised at that stage that no one will miss it. The demise of jump racing in Australia shows that such a prediction is not being sensational.

The British media will drive an agenda against NH racing. The whip issue is the thin edge of the wedge. The majority of the British public have no comprehension of rural life. Anyone who has lived in the middle of London all their life has probably never encountered a thoroughbred racehorse or knows anyone who has. Compare that to here where people at most are only a generation or two removed from the land. Almost everyone in Ireland would have a relation or know someone involved in horses or some other type of agriculture. There is a real grá for NH racing in Ireland that transcends both rural and urban.

Two horses were killed in the Fairyhouse National a few years back and I can't recall any big outcry. It's tough but that's the game. Horses die on the flat - three at the Dubai World Cup meeting for example, yet I don't see anyone calling for Royal Ascot or the Epsom Derby to be banned.

I personally wouldn't miss the Aintree National. It's a great spectacle but there are many races of far greater quality at the Aintree meeting and I rarely have much interest in it from a betting point of view. 40 runners over the most demanding fences in Western Europe and the greatest distance of any race in the calendar. Not only that but it's a bloody handicap so you have some gobshite weighting all the horses to try and get them to finish in a line! The bookmakers might need this race but racing does not need bookmakers. They are a cancer on the game.

Great post DH. I wouldn't be calling for banning the National either. Don't like harping on about it and I am nobody to lecture Mc Manus or any other owner but could you ever have imagined Kauto Star or Best Mate running in a Grade 3 handicap a month after winning the Gold Cup. It showed a strange lack of respect for a horse who had just won them the top prize in racing.
(PS. Please don't tell me that Best Mate ran in the National?) :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on April 16, 2012, 01:13:46 PM
QuoteThe demise of jump racing in Australia

What happened in Australia?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on April 16, 2012, 01:33:34 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2130246/Grand-National-2012-Aintree-tragedy-avoided-insist-racing-experts.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 16, 2012, 03:17:24 PM
That's as putrid a collection of tripe as I've ever seen in one place. "Synchronised didn't look 'up for it'"! I wonder why he carried on after he fell and jumped five more fences on his own, then?

Look at this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MKY9p8_N8M) and the overwhelming attitude represented in the comments. The fact that nearly all of these idiots have probably never seen a horse is neither here nor there. The facts that (1) they all have votes and (2) the media are now on the campaign are why I don't think the National can survive. And they won't stop at the National. The growing unquestioning acceptance that animals have "rights", the continuing distancing of people from the realities of nature and the anthropomorphism rampant in the media - even some of the best wildlife documentaries - mean that the Bambi movement is unstoppable, I think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 16, 2012, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 16, 2012, 01:12:21 PM
Great post DH. I wouldn't be calling for banning the National either. Don't like harping on about it and I am nobody to lecture Mc Manus or any other owner but could you ever have imagined Kauto Star or Best Mate running in a Grade 3 handicap a month after winning the Gold Cup. It showed a strange lack of respect for a horse who had just won them the top prize in racing.
(PS. Please don't tell me that Best Mate ran in the National?) :o

In fairness to JP and Jonjo, the Aintree National was the horse's main target all season. Cheltenham was just a prep run that he happened to win. Had he finished second (like Hedgehunter did in '06 before running at Liverpool) nobody would have batted an eyelid about the horse being turned out again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 21, 2012, 02:09:18 PM
Stats ratings for the Scottish National - long shots topping the list:

King Fontaine    30.72
Etxalar    30.72
Mac Aeda    30.54
Be There In Five    27.32
Any Currency    27.32
Harry The Viking    27.30
Ikorodu Road    27.30
Portrait King    27.30
Abbeybraney    27.30
Mostly Bob    27.14
Quentin Collonges    27.12
Knockara Beau    24.42
Pettifour    23.72
Auroras Encore    23.70
Merigo    23.70
Ballyfitz    20.90
Benny Be Good    20.82
Fruity O'Rooney    20.82
Galaxy Rock    20.82
Garleton    20.28
Our Island    20.12
Heez A Steel    19.70
Walkon    13.40
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on April 23, 2012, 09:58:31 AM
Just looking at some of the posts and was thinking back to six years ago when poor old Patrizio had the tent pulled around and took the bullet up at the Galway Races in his preperation for Cheltenham to where he was going with 0-11111 form if not six wins in a row before him. We had a right bit of craic then with a few 16/1 yokes but it all ended in tears when the syndicate had the poor horse only insured for €6000 instead of about €160,000, not enough for the months mourning and drinking that followed. Anyone remember them days?
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/93/4a/a7/d5539401508df5836fd205748d/INPHO_00098980.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 23, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
What about Quel Esprit for the Gold Cup? Why did he not run at Cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 23, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
What about Quel Esprit for the Gold Cup? Why did he not run at Cheltenham?

Didn't really travel over great. Townend cantered him on the morning of the Gold Cup and he felt the horse was a bit lifeless.

Ground at Punchestown will be tacky. Plenty of rain with good drying conditions in between. It'll take a bit of getting all week. Very disappointing cards tomorrow. Long odds on favs in two of the Grade 1s and an average at best renewal of the novice hurdle. Even both the bumpers which are normally full of top quality pedigrees look a bit light.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on April 24, 2012, 09:32:26 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 23, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
What about Quel Esprit for the Gold Cup? Why did he not run at Cheltenham?

Didn't really travel over great. Townend cantered him on the morning of the Gold Cup and he felt the horse was a bit lifeless.

Ground at Punchestown will be tacky. Plenty of rain with good drying conditions in between. It'll take a bit of getting all week. Very disappointing cards tomorrow. Long odds on favs in two of the Grade 1s and an average at best renewal of the novice hurdle. Even both the bumpers which are normally full of top quality pedigrees look a bit light.

Yep. I think the fact that Sizing and The Fly arent trying to double up after Cheltenham has taken a bit of an edge of the whole week. It is really hard to oppose any of favourites in Grade1s today but they wouldnt be my bet at the prices. Donn McClean put up Realt Dubh and Guavain to outrun their prices in the champion chase on his starbet site. Big Zeb wouldnt have run to his best on this ground at his peak so I get his angle. Might be a race for a forecast only bet.

Ceol Rua looks to have a right chance in the handicap hurdle and Paddy and Boyles paying 5 places. 

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 24, 2012, 01:32:00 PM
Not only do the feature races look weak (the Stayers Hurdle match between the two mares being the exception) but there's nothing really to get excited with amongst the novices. With the exception of Sir Des Champs who will just have a schooling session this evening, none of the novices that won at Cheltenham are running. Even Boston Bob has been scratched from tomorrow's card. The decision to extend the meeting to five days is one that may be regretted this year. You'd notice the drop in interest locally in recent days.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 24, 2012, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 23, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
What about Quel Esprit for the Gold Cup? Why did he not run at Cheltenham?

Didn't really travel over great. Townend cantered him on the morning of the Gold Cup and he felt the horse was a bit lifeless.

Ground at Punchestown will be tacky. Plenty of rain with good drying conditions in between. It'll take a bit of getting all week. Very disappointing cards tomorrow. Long odds on favs in two of the Grade 1s and an average at best renewal of the novice hurdle. Even both the bumpers which are normally full of top quality pedigrees look a bit light.

I doubt they travelled to Cheltenham with too much confidence. Townend pretty much steered punters clear of QE at the Belfast preview night describing the Irish chasers as "desperate." Perhaps they were keen to save the horse for tomorrow's realistic target. Quantativeeasing is an interesting entry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 24, 2012, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 24, 2012, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 23, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
What about Quel Esprit for the Gold Cup? Why did he not run at Cheltenham?

Didn't really travel over great. Townend cantered him on the morning of the Gold Cup and he felt the horse was a bit lifeless.

Ground at Punchestown will be tacky. Plenty of rain with good drying conditions in between. It'll take a bit of getting all week. Very disappointing cards tomorrow. Long odds on favs in two of the Grade 1s and an average at best renewal of the novice hurdle. Even both the bumpers which are normally full of top quality pedigrees look a bit light.

I doubt they travelled to Cheltenham with too much confidence. Townend pretty much steered punters clear of QE at the Belfast preview night describing the Irish chasers as "desperate." Perhaps they were keen to save the horse for tomorrow's realistic target. Quantativeeasing is an interesting entry.

Given the way things panned out at Cheltenham the horse would definitely have been there or thereabouts had he been even half right. The staying chasers on both sides of the Irish Sea are a fairly useless crew in comparison to some of the greats of the past few decades. Seeing Follow The Plan win at Liverpool confirmed the mediocrity of this division. I personally think Quel Esprit is a good price for tomorrow. Not sure if Rubi Light really got the trip in a slowly run Lexus. Can imagine Walsh will be trying to just dictate an even gallop from the front tomorrow.

Hopefully some of the novices can liven up these races up next season. Flemenstar looked a proper horse at Fairyhouse and it's hard to knock Sir Des Champs though I'd say Russell nearly filled his breeches at the last fence today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 25, 2012, 09:19:42 PM
That Champagne Fever looks a right horse. To follow up from Cheltenham in that bog today was seriously impressive. Sounds like he's going to take the Florida Pearl/Missed That route and go straight over fences.

(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00666/Irish_Sport_5-1_jpg_666328t.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on April 25, 2012, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 25, 2012, 09:19:42 PM
That Champagne Fever looks a right horse. To follow up from Cheltenham in that bog today was seriously impressive. Sounds like he's going to take the Florida Pearl/Missed That route and go straight over fences.

(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00666/Irish_Sport_5-1_jpg_666328t.jpg)

Doubled him up with Loch Ard
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on April 26, 2012, 10:30:36 AM
How's the weather down in Punchestown looking today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 26, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 25, 2012, 09:19:42 PM
That Champagne Fever looks a right horse. To follow up from Cheltenham in that bog today was seriously impressive. Sounds like he's going to take the Florida Pearl/Missed That route and go straight over fences.

(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00666/Irish_Sport_5-1_jpg_666328t.jpg)

He'll be some horse when he learns to put his head down and stop looking around him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 26, 2012, 04:37:52 PM
Tally Em Up in the 4-50 and gotta be Quevega to win the big hurdle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 26, 2012, 06:31:26 PM
Have had a desperate run this week, not backing a winner at all. Suppose I deserve all I get for opposing the wondermare. Really looking forward to heading down tomorrow, be great to get a decent bit of weather.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 26, 2012, 10:25:59 PM
Quevega is an absolute superstar. Incredible little filly. Would love to see her have a crack at Big Bucks someday but doubtful we'll ever see it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2012, 06:23:01 PM
Big move for Henderson's horse in the next. He won it last year with Kid Cassidy.

Robert Tyner also looking to win the fillies bumper for the second year in a row. Won it with Whatwillwecallher last year and sends out an Westerner filly who bolted up down at Mallow the last day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 27, 2012, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2012, 06:23:01 PM
Big move for Henderson's horse in the next. He won it last year with Kid Cassidy.

Robert Tyner also looking to win the fillies bumper for the second year in a row. Won it with Whatwillwecallher last year and sends out an Westerner filly who bolted up down at Mallow the last day.

Hope your right D, have a wee double done!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on April 28, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Any festival fancies today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Quel Esprit and Balder Success - last two bets of the NH season
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2012, 04:31:44 PM
That's that then. Roll on the Guineas!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Radda bout yeee on April 30, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Strange question but thought this was the best place for it:

Can you get gift vouchers in a bookies? No piss taking please!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on April 30, 2012, 02:59:12 PM
Sean Grahams do them, AFAIK
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 01, 2012, 04:40:01 AM
Anyone have any tips on the horses at the Kentucky Derby?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on May 01, 2012, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on April 30, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Strange question but thought this was the best place for it:

Can you get gift vouchers in a bookies? No piss taking please!

Yeah you can get them in Tommy French as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on May 04, 2012, 03:20:47 PM
Any thoughts on the Guineas DH? I think Im going to oppose Cameleot due to the ground. Probably will back Born to Sea or one of the French horses each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 04, 2012, 03:42:08 PM
Can't bring myself to back anything in either.

Two ways of looking at Camelot. On breeding and 2yo form he has no chance. Montjeu doesn't get classic milers and the Racing Post Trophy form is cat. However, Aidan admitted that St Nicholas Abbey had his brains blown by running in the Guineas and he shouldn't have ran. The similarities between Camelot and St Nick as 2yos is obvious so it is possible that they think this horse has more gears and is more forward than St Nick was. Wouldn't worry about the ground for him. Soft ground will blunt the finishing kick of the speedsters and should bring his stamina into play. Born To Sea looks priced on who his mother is and not on any bit of form in the book. That said, John Oxx does not tilt at windmills and he's obviously giving Kinane and Murtagh the right vibes on the Curragh.

Haven't really looked at the fillies but if the ground dried out a bit Kevin Prendergast's filly (name escapes me at the moment) would be no forlorn hope. Her run against Power is top class 2yo form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 04, 2012, 03:48:55 PM
Any advice for Sligo on Sunday?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on May 04, 2012, 04:28:47 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 04, 2012, 03:48:55 PM
Any advice for Sligo on Sunday?

Dont hang around the Four Lanterns in the early hours!..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 04, 2012, 04:30:02 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on May 04, 2012, 04:28:47 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 04, 2012, 03:48:55 PM
Any advice for Sligo on Sunday?

Dont hang around the Four Lanterns in the early hours!..

Noted ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RastaGael on May 04, 2012, 04:47:21 PM
Hi folks

A regular lurker on the thread and some very knowledgeable posters so hoping someone may be able to answer my question.  Is there any way to watch NH races live online (specifically P'town next Tuesday)?  I am aware of ATR.com and am registered with them and have no problem paying the subscription to watch live racing.  My issue is that the site states that only users in the ROI and UK can view the races live.  I am based outside of this region and not the most tech savvy so Idendity Cloaker etc not the preferred option.

Are there any other sites where the races can be watched live online.  No issues in paying to do so.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 04, 2012, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: RastaGael on May 04, 2012, 04:47:21 PM
Hi folks

A regular lurker on the thread and some very knowledgeable posters so hoping someone may be able to answer my question.  Is there any way to watch NH races live online (specifically P'town next Tuesday)?  I am aware of ATR.com and am registered with them and have no problem paying the subscription to watch live racing.  My issue is that the site states that only users in the ROI and UK can view the races live.  I am based outside of this region and not the most tech savvy so Idendity Cloaker etc not the preferred option.

Are there any other sites where the races can be watched live online.  No issues in paying to do so.

Betfair carries ATR and Racing UK live coverage. I don't know if it's available outside UK and Ireland, but you could try it. Obviously you have to be a member and you also have to have a bet in the race to get access to the coverage but you can just place a small bet at odds that won't be matched to get over that.

Don't be using it for serious betting in running because there can be a small delay.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RastaGael on May 04, 2012, 10:17:28 PM
Thanks Hardy

I will do a trial run on some of the races over the weekend to see if it will work outside of ROI and UK.  My previous Betfair account is disabled since 2006 so I hope that setting up a new account does not send me down the slippery slope.... ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on May 05, 2012, 04:09:27 PM
Can you tell us what the horse is for Tuesday in Punchestowm
:)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 05, 2012, 06:11:51 PM
Some tribute to Montjeu by Camelot. Even money for Epsom looks about right.

It'd be an incredible trans-Atlantic double if Daddy Long Legs does the business from the graveyard stall 1 over in Louisville tonight!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 06, 2012, 02:57:57 PM
Got a tip for New Pearl in 4.25pm at Newmarket. Usually quite reliable but don't blame me if it loses. Currently 11/4!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on May 06, 2012, 04:54:40 PM
good shour  :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 06, 2012, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 06, 2012, 02:57:57 PM
Got a tip for New Pearl in 4.25pm at Newmarket. Usually quite reliable but don't blame me if it loses. Currently 11/4!

Nice - won at 4/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RastaGael on May 06, 2012, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on May 05, 2012, 04:09:27 PM
Can you tell us what the horse is for Tuesday in Punchestowm
:)

Bud - purely in the interests of reducing your shortlist from 15 to 14, Horse No 2 in the first race.  First time out so getting some experience before being let off for the summer.  Still a baby race wise.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 07, 2012, 04:46:24 PM
Clapped out handicapper beats Coronation Cup and Breeders Cup Turf winner at the Curragh. What action will the stewards take?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 07, 2012, 08:52:43 PM
None as far as I had seen earlier   :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 07, 2012, 09:43:49 PM
Jokeshop. They'd have come down like a tonne of bricks if it had been one of Charles Byrnes' or the likes.

I don't believe for a second that there was any skulduggery going on but how can such an incompetant ride like that go unpunished. Young O'Brien was excellent on Camelot but that was shocking today. Hard to know what was going through his head when he remained motionless at the two pole despite Murtagh going by him shoving away on the Aga's horse. I initially thought the horse had gone wrong but obviously not. If the stewards had given him a week for that I doubt he'd ever do it again.

Aidan would want to cop on a bit too. He did himself no favours coming out with that guff about the ground and how he was happy with the horse post race. It's hard to defend Irish racing when those at the top of the scale are never punished for blatantly using the racecourse as a schooling ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on May 07, 2012, 11:31:26 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 07, 2012, 09:43:49 PM
Jokeshop. They'd have come down like a tonne of bricks if it had been one of Charles Byrnes' or the likes.

I don't believe for a second that there was any skulduggery going on but how can such an incompetant ride like that go unpunished. Young O'Brien was excellent on Camelot but that was shocking today. Hard to know what was going through his head when he remained motionless at the two pole despite Murtagh going by him shoving away on the Aga's horse. I initially thought the horse had gone wrong but obviously not. If the stewards had given him a week for that I doubt he'd ever do it again.

Aidan would want to cop on a bit too. He did himself no favours coming out with that guff about the ground and how he was happy with the horse post race. It's hard to defend Irish racing when those at the top of the scale are never punished for blatantly using the racecourse as a schooling ground.

While it's easy to see that the man is a training legend, it really is hard to warm to AP O Brien with some of these stunts being pulled in his name. How many times have we seen 2nd and 3rd strings winning in situations like today. Punters deserve a bit of honesty. (And no I didnt back St Nick)
It's hard to see the likes of Bolger, Oxx or DK Weld carrying on the same way as Aidan and his team do.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 08, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
Listen, sure it's a privilege to be here. Sure, look, the lads will have a look at it when we get home. Listen, we're all just glad the horse is OK. Listen, he's a good horse, but so is the other horse. Listen, Joseph is just great.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: NAG1 on May 08, 2012, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 07, 2012, 09:43:49 PM
Jokeshop. They'd have come down like a tonne of bricks if it had been one of Charles Byrnes' or the likes.

I don't believe for a second that there was any skulduggery going on but how can such an incompetant ride like that go unpunished. Young O'Brien was excellent on Camelot but that was shocking today. Hard to know what was going through his head when he remained motionless at the two pole despite Murtagh going by him shoving away on the Aga's horse. I initially thought the horse had gone wrong but obviously not. If the stewards had given him a week for that I doubt he'd ever do it again.

Aidan would want to cop on a bit too. He did himself no favours coming out with that guff about the ground and how he was happy with the horse post race. It's hard to defend Irish racing when those at the top of the scale are never punished for blatantly using the racecourse as a schooling ground.

And yet 1000's see fit to waste their hard earned cash gambling on this crooked game.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 08, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Just received this info, i was wondering any of the horsey lads round here agree with the value.

Quotei see my old pal Sea Saffron is running again tomorrow in the Exeter 6.55,over the hurdles this time over 2m7f,but is in the form of its life

01May12 Exe 24H 5y+ HcapCh(5K) 11-4[7/2f] 1st of 7 26L to Tim The Chair (IRE) James Best 111
17Apr12 Exe 30GF 5y+ HcapCh(10K) 9-11[3/1f] 1st of 9 16L to Jolly Boys Outing (IRE) Matt Griffiths 94
04Apr12 Exe 23GF 4y+ HcapHdl(7K) 10-13[9/4] 2nd of 4 hd behind Magic Marmalade (IRE) Matt Griffiths 102
20Mar12 Exe 23G 4y+ HcapHdl(3K) 11-0[13/2] 1st of 8 ½L to Arctic Watch (GB) Matt Griffiths

has just 10-2 to carry this time around,well worth a look e/w imo,boyles have him up at 11/2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 09, 2012, 12:01:05 PM
I was looking through some p2p form and came across this beast trained by the Shark Hanlon who ran in the bumper at Down Royal on Monday. Has to be up there with the greatest horse names ever:

http://www.irishracing.com/v5horseinfo?prt=445904 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5horseinfo?prt=445904)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 16, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
Looks like Bolger has another crack 2yo on his hands with this Dawn Approach. Easy to draw similarities with his father there watching him come up the hill at Naas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on May 18, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
A bit of word floating around for Opening Batsman in the 8-15 Aintree was 9/1 earlier
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 25, 2012, 06:00:39 PM
€210,000 10f Group 1 on good ground at the Curragh on Sunday..... 5 runners! Crazy stuff altogether. They might as well run these races down on the Ballydoyle gallops when Famous Name eventually retires.

Looking forward to seeing how Emulous gets on tomorrow on her reappearance. She was seriously going places last season and could be very hard to stop in these fillies events.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 27, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 28, 2011, 11:53:48 AM
Anyone know where a man could find odds for top amateur jockeys?Been told to have a few pound on Shane Foley if he's a decent price!Heard Martin Harley's joined Mick Channons yard across the sea,might be worth keeping an eye out for!

Didn't fecking expect him to win a Classic this quickly mind you!Fair play to the lad  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on June 02, 2012, 01:16:03 AM
coolmore at it again today, big money on the winner WAS @ 20-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2012, 01:07:16 PM
It seems obvious now but she was far too big a price. Galileo out of a half-sister to New Approach. DK's filly who beat her in the Blue Wind at Naas is very highly thought of and will be a warm order for the Ribblesdale now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
That was some Epsom for Coolmore. St Nick proved that he needs further than 10f these days and he now looks like he'll take the world of beating in the King George. Astrology ran a mighty race in the big one. There was a point about two furlongs down when it looked like he'd slipped them all. It was all about Camelot though. It might not have been the most stellar of Derby fields but he fairly minced them in the end despite not looking at home on such an idiosyncratic track. Young O'Brien gave him a polished ride that the likes of Kinane, Eddery and even Piggott would have been proud of. All the talk now will be about Doncaster but I personally don't think there's too much to be gained by going to the Leger these days. I'd love to see him follow up at the Curragh and then drop back to have a crack at Frankel at York.

Interesting now to see how Imperial Monarch gets on against French Fifteen at Chantilly tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 08, 2012, 08:49:58 PM
I'll have another, scratched from tomorrows Belmont derby.  He was going for the triple crown after winning the Kentucky Derby and Preekness.  Was hoping to witness a bit of history but unfortunately there was swelling in one of its legs this morning.  120,000 people were expected to attend doubtful now if anything close to that will appear now.  Will leave it easier for ourselves to get to the bar if nothing else.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 10, 2012, 04:49:17 PM
Great win by Thousand Stars to defend his French Champion Hurdle crown. Some training achievement to have him on the go from way back at Punchestown in November.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2012, 01:12:09 PM
Fabulous 5 days flat racing in prospect at Ascot this week. I have a few nice antepost doubles and trebles rolling onto some of the obvious hotpots but I rate Emulous in the Windsor Forest as the bet of the meeting. Nahrain looks the only viable opposition but she hasn't run since the Breeders Cup and the form of Emulous' win at the Curragh is working out nicely with both the second and third winning good races since. She'll handle the expected cut in the ground too.

Could be a good week for Weld with Princess Highway also holding strong each way claims in the Ribblesdale. The form of the Blue Wind at Naas couldn't be any stronger with Was coming out and winning the Epsom Oaks.

Of the other non-Ballydoyle Irish raiders I think Mironica in the Queen Mary could be the best bet. The filly she beat at Naas went on to run Sky Lantern to half a length in a listed contest at Naas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DownFanatic on June 18, 2012, 01:39:39 PM
Gabrial in the St James Palace race is looking good for a place.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 18, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Cristoforo Colombo in the coventry  ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2012, 11:56:02 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 18, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Cristoforo Colombo in the coventry  ;) ;)

Looks a solid e/w punt at 5s. Surprised Bolger hasn't waited for the Chesham with Dawn Approach. All the money for Hannon's colt who was so impressive at Sandown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 19, 2012, 11:07:57 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2012, 11:56:02 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 18, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Cristoforo Colombo in the coventry  ;) ;)

Looks a solid e/w punt at 5s. Surprised Bolger hasn't waited for the Chesham with Dawn Approach. All the money for Hannon's colt who was so impressive at Sandown.

Fancy Sir Prancealot for this..  Good price @ 7/2 this morning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2012, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: Joxer on June 19, 2012, 11:07:57 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2012, 11:56:02 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on June 18, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Cristoforo Colombo in the coventry  ;) ;)

Looks a solid e/w punt at 5s. Surprised Bolger hasn't waited for the Chesham with Dawn Approach. All the money for Hannon's colt who was so impressive at Sandown.

Fancy Sir Prancealot for this..  Good price @ 7/2 this morning.

It's a very interesting market. 90% of the field totally unexposed and open to any amount of improvement. Ground on the easy side might be against the two Ballydoyle runners being by Henrythenavigator and War Front respectively. I suspect Dawn Approach might just lack a gear but the softer it is, the more his stamina will come into play and he's tough as they come. Sir Prancelot was held up at Sandown and I'm not sure the same tactics will work here. Always a difficult tactic to pull off in these big field 2yo races at Ascot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 19, 2012, 01:42:45 PM
A few fancies this avo at the prestigious Royal Ascot...  ???

2:30 Frankel           
3:05 Bated Breath           
3:45 Lucayan         
4:25 Dawn Approach         
5:00 Veiled           
5:35 Liber
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2012, 02:39:05 PM
That was fairly ridiculous  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 19, 2012, 03:35:51 PM
The 1/5 on Frankel was a steal  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2012, 04:29:43 PM
Great ride from Kevin Manning. Thought he was in trouble at half way but he's tough out.

Cristoforo Colombo probably back to the Curragh for the Railway Stakes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2012, 05:14:13 PM
Willie Mullins adds a Royal Ascot win to his glittering CV. Genius of a trainer. I wonder will he add a classic winner like his father managed with Vintage Tipple?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 19, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2012, 05:14:13 PM
Willie Mullins adds a Royal Ascot win to his glittering CV. Genius of a trainer. I wonder will he add a classic winner like his father managed with Vintage Tipple?

Willie might just get a taste for the top hats and champers!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on June 19, 2012, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2012, 05:14:13 PM
Willie Mullins adds a Royal Ascot win to his glittering CV. Genius of a trainer. I wonder will he add a classic winner like his father managed with Vintage Tipple?

and the 8-1 was sum price  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 20, 2012, 01:45:53 PM
A few more ticklers for today... wont be getting too heavily involved, winners look hard to put a pin on today

2:30 Lethal Force       
3:05 Clinical       
3:45 Farhh       
4:25 Belgian Bill       
5:00 All Fur Coat       
5:35 Devotion
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on June 21, 2012, 10:29:56 AM
a stab in the dark:

2.30  Cay Verde
3.05  Princess Highway
3.45  Opinion Poll
4.25  Prince Alzain
5.00  Energizer (e/w)
5.35  Nicholascopernicus

:o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 21, 2012, 11:28:33 AM
I hope this rain hasn't compromised Princess Highway's chances. She needs top of the ground being by Street Cry.

Fame And Glory should be fine on it. Hopefully they'll go a sensible gallop like last year and his class will prevail.

The more rain that falls the better for Astrology in the King Edward tomorrow. He ploughed through bottomless ground at Chester. Homecoming Queen in the Coronation will also benefit from an ease.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Joxer on June 21, 2012, 11:43:07 AM
Take a Stab at todays:

2.30 Mister Marc
3.05 Vow
4.25 Trader Jack
5.00 Wrothen Heath
5.35 Gabrial The Great (NAP)

EW Lucky 31
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 21, 2012, 01:53:53 PM
they are hard picked...

2:30 Cay Verde       
3:05 Vow       
3:45 Fame And Glory       
4:25 Fast Or Free       
5:00 Grandeur NAP     
5:35 Rocktherunway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 21, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
Weld strikes!  8)

She bolted up there. Will take all the beating in the Oaks back at the Curragh.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 22, 2012, 02:42:37 PM
All the early signals are that New Approach is going to be an excellent sire for Darley.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 23, 2012, 02:46:46 PM
Another New Approach winner!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Minder on June 23, 2012, 03:48:22 PM
Jockey was lucky there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 23, 2012, 03:50:15 PM
Dreadful ride. I'd say he filled his breeches about three strides from the line.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 23, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
Looking at the replay, it appears that he did a Roger Loughran on it and mistook the winning post.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 23, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
Imagine you were the fella who had 100,000 on that horse only for the jockey to do that, he said he underestimated the heavy ground and stickyness, is that just a excuse for pulling her up early. idiot got cocky imo. he never pushed for the line at all, nothing to do with ground..never seen as a relieved man in my life, he'll be lucky to ride Black Cavair again..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 23, 2012, 04:09:16 PM
First rule of race riding - never drop your hands. It's unprofessional and disrespectful to your fellow jockeys. I'd say the trainer is fit to kill the lad and will give him a right bollicking in private. Fair play to her connections for travelling her but the mare herself deserved better than that ride.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 23, 2012, 05:44:54 PM
Ah boy Mullins!  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 26, 2012, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Reports are emerging that Scottish jockey Campbell Gillies has died while on holiday.

The jockey enjoyed his finest moment at Cheltenham this year with the victory of Brindisi Breeze in the Albert Bartlett hurdle.

He was in action at Down Royal last Friday when Best Legend slipped up in the Galway Plate Trial.

Gillies' agent Paul Brierley said: "At the present time, all I can say is there has been an accident."

Fellow jockey Zander Voy tweeted: "I can't believe it. You only have 1 best friend and now he's gone. I'll never forget you @campbellgillies, love you pal. xxx."

Campbell's brother Finlay plays for rugby side Glasgow Warriors. The club said in a statement: "Glasgow Warriors are deeply saddened to learn of the sad passing of Campbell Gillies, brother of Warriors hooker Finlay.

"A promising young jockey, Campbell shot to prominence when he rode Brindisi Breeze to victory in the Albert Bartlett Novices' Hurdle on Gold Cup day at this year's Cheltenham Festival.

"The thoughts of everyone at Glasgow Warriors are with Finlay and his family at this terrible time."

Racing personalities were quick to pay their respects to the 21-year-old Gillies on Twitter.

Former jockey and Racing UK presenter Niall Hannity tweeted: "Devastating news coming through that Campbell Gillies has lost his life in a accident whilst on holiday, thoughts with his family. RIP".

Gold Cup-winning jockey Paddy Brennan said: "The worst news you cud possibly hear. Campbell you will be sadly missed by us all. Great jockey & even better bloke £RIP."

Champion jockey Tony McCoy said: "Very sad news about Campbell Gillies a very good jockey but an even better bloke. All our thoughts are with his family RIP."

Sam Twiston-Davies said: "R.I.P @campbellgillies class rider and a great person. Will be very much missed."

His younger brother Willy said: "RIP @campbellgillies, devastating news."

Brendan Powell jnr tweeted: "Can't believe it, RIP @campbellgillies, great rider but also a great person, will be a huge loss."

His father, trainer Brendan Powell, said: "Really sad news about Campbell Gillies. Thoughts are with his family, friends, Scu and Lucinda."

Grand National-winning jockey Barry Geraghty said: "Very sad news about Campbell Gillies, a very good rider & a lovely fella. He will be sadly missed. All our thoughts are with his family RIP."

Trainer Gordon Elliot said: "In complete shock to hear the awful news about Campbell Gillies, my thoughts go to his family and friends."

Cheltenham racecourse, where Gillies enjoyed his biggest success in March, tweeted: "Desperate news that jockey C Gillies has died on holiday. Our thoughts are with his family & friends."

While trainer Donald McCain said: "Shocking news about Campbell Gillies, thoughts are with all his family."

Gold Cup winner Sam Thomas said: "Saddening news about Campbell Gillies, a great pilot, a top guy and most of all a true gentleman. My thoughts go out to all his family."

Trainer Evan Williams said: "Tragic news about Campbell Gillies, thoughts are with his family & friends."

Jockey Robert Thornton said: "I don't know what to say. Very, very sad words on here do not do it justice. £legend."

http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=61777 (http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=61777)

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 26, 2012, 11:32:39 AM
That's a shock. Very sad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on June 26, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
Just seen that news. Dreadful.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 26, 2012, 04:44:01 PM
It's being reported that he drowned and that he was turning 22 tomorrow. Very sad. Hard to believe it's little over 3 months since him and Brindisi Breeze were winning at Cheltenham and now horse and jockey are dead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 26, 2012, 05:26:08 PM
Walter Haefner, the owner of Moyglare Stud Farm has also passed away today at the age of 101. It's rather fitting that Princess Highway was so impressive at Royal Ascot last week and Speaking Of Which will be no back number in the Derby at the Curragh on Saturday. The great legacy of those famous black and white silks will live on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 27, 2012, 07:31:56 PM
Why has At The Races become Sky Sports News mark II?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: barelegs on June 27, 2012, 07:37:39 PM
At The Races has gone to shite completely over the past 3-4 weeks. Sunday Fourm appears in the schedule but hasn't been broadcast and Chapman (love him or hate him) has left Get On! (did his last show on Sunday) for no apparent reason.

Bit of transparency from someone would be nice there instead of pretending there's nothing going on. Would I be right in saying they've lost a good few tracks (and some staff) to Racing UK over the past year or so?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on June 28, 2012, 08:46:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 27, 2012, 07:31:56 PM
Why has At The Races become Sky Sports News mark II?

Noticed that myself. Although it looks decent and a bit more modern it doesn't include as much race info as it used to. On the build up to each race the form is not displayed and then at the end it just list winners without the number of the horse. Bit of an annoyance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on June 28, 2012, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 23, 2012, 05:44:54 PM
Ah boy Mullins!  8)

I suggested to Willie after the race Saturday that Simenon would have a grand racing weight for the Galway Hurdle, i wont repeat his response  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 28, 2012, 09:42:27 AM
Thanks for that information.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on June 28, 2012, 10:00:14 AM
Quote from: Hardy on June 28, 2012, 09:42:27 AM
Thanks for that information.

You cant be too carefull Hardy, there could be young bucks reading this who have never heard the sort of agricultural language that ye mighty misty Midlanders use of occasion.

If you want to see Simenon next time out get your best frock dry cleaned as he is glorious Goodwood bound to take on the big boys in the Goodwood cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2012, 10:56:28 AM
I'd say Willie has Melbourne in the back of his mind. It's only nine years ago since he sent Holy Orders down under so it's not like he hasn't done it before.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 28, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
Midlanders?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 05, 2012, 12:49:29 AM
Great picture of Hartani bolting up at the weekend:

(https://p.twimg.com/Aw1C1cDCEAAohgx.jpg:large)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on July 07, 2012, 04:51:17 PM
Anyone on here know where the Toals in Belfast is? Donegall Lane? Is this in one of the wee side streets near the City Hall?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Clinker on July 07, 2012, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on July 07, 2012, 04:51:17 PM
Anyone on here know where the Toals in Belfast is? Donegall Lane? Is this in one of the wee side streets near the City Hall?

Go to the Morning Star Bar and take your pint outside to the horse racing tables. You will be also sitting beside Toals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on July 09, 2012, 09:53:09 PM
Think this one is near Castlecourt.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 09, 2012, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 09, 2012, 11:10:40 PM
There are two that I know of, neither particularly close to Castlecourt.

The one Clinker is on about is in Pottingers Entry which runs from Ann St to High St (at the In Shops). That's the head office.

The other is on Donegall St on the same side as the Irish News. There are some gay bars and clubs around there too.
When you say not particularly close either are within 5 mins walk. Lazy bastard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on July 10, 2012, 12:01:33 AM
Cheers, I will just head toward the Irish News then. Why did you feel the need to tell me about the gay bars? Do they open early?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2012, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2012, 11:19:07 PM
Can I just highlight the goings on in Donegall St in this last couple of days (since you found out where Toals is).

Man raped in Donegall St.

Gang of Loyalists get up to no good in Donegall St.


FFS
No mileage paid to the Irish News hacks this week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 17, 2012, 05:05:53 PM
5.50 Yarmouth
Lamusawama is worth a small E/W bet @ 25's
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on July 17, 2012, 05:10:25 PM
16/1, 20/1    25/1 on boyles sammy
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 17, 2012, 05:14:29 PM
not saying its fancied or anything, just a horse that could prove a decent e/w bet and might just run a good race in the hands of Hanagan  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on July 17, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Back into 16's i had a nibble  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 17, 2012, 07:44:12 PM
The Sheikh Hamdan job hasn't really worked out for Hanagan yet.

Just watching Shane Foley winning the handicap down at Killarney on Sure Reef. That kid is going places.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on July 20, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Does any bookies do Australia racing?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on July 20, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: ludermor on July 20, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Does any bookies do Australia racing?

do u have a tip?

Paddypower online to it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Harold Disgracey on July 20, 2012, 12:48:35 PM
Some Fiddle 6.30 Kilbeggan, the owner told me to put a tenner on it for the craic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ludermor on July 20, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on July 20, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: ludermor on July 20, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Does any bookies do Australia racing?

do u have a tip?

Paddypower online to it.
Couldnt find Australia racing on paddypower, Fictional Account racing at flemington race 3.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on July 20, 2012, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: ludermor on July 20, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on July 20, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: ludermor on July 20, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Does any bookies do Australia racing?

do u have a tip?

Paddypower online to it.
Couldnt find Australia racing on paddypower, Fictional Account racing at flemington race 3.

A tip? Is that true?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2012, 09:11:50 PM
I presume it's the same Fictional Account who beat Fame And Glory at the Curragh last year when she was trained by Vincent Ward out in Kilcock?

I think Betfair have markets for the Australian racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on July 20, 2012, 10:40:31 PM
they do around 6/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on July 23, 2012, 02:16:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-HezN2jIRw

Go to around 14.00, who said Davy Russell was a good jockey? Would you describe that as unseated?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on July 24, 2012, 05:30:17 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 23, 2012, 02:16:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-HezN2jIRw

Go to around 14.00, who said Davy Russell was a good jockey? Would you describe that as unseated?

Davy and the donkeys  ??? Classic one from Galway last year here ...http://www.fatjockey.com/videos-pics/racing_videos.php?Donkey-Derby-Shenanigans-17 (http://www.fatjockey.com/videos-pics/racing_videos.php?Donkey-Derby-Shenanigans-17)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on July 30, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
Any views on the Carlton Hotel Galway City(Q.R.) HANDICAP 2m tonight?

Citizenship was the one that caught my eye. Might back to lay Ted Dolly.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on July 30, 2012, 12:16:01 PM
Looks a good each way bet but I think Ninas mount has great value
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on July 30, 2012, 01:00:08 PM
Going to just jump on the Weld bandwagon myself and back him blind!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 30, 2012, 02:57:10 PM
Stay well clear of the place if you're considering of having a serious punt. It's a glorified greyhound track.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 30, 2012, 03:54:14 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on July 30, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
Any views on the Carlton Hotel Galway City(Q.R.) HANDICAP 2m tonight?

Citizenship was the one that caught my eye. Might back to lay Ted Dolly.

thats one I will be on too....  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on July 30, 2012, 05:50:23 PM
Its not supposed to be this easy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 30, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on July 30, 2012, 05:50:23 PM
Its not supposed to be this easy?

He didnt win the 2nd race!!!  :D  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on July 31, 2012, 10:25:31 AM
Any decent tips for Galway today? Or for the rest of the week, might head down one of the days
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DownFanatic on July 31, 2012, 12:18:25 PM
Gabrial going well and is a good bet W/O Frankel in the Sussex tomorrow at Goodwood.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 01, 2012, 02:52:03 PM
Have Juddmonte got Channel 4 working on commission to fit the phrase "the best horse in the world" into every possible minute of programming?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 01, 2012, 03:16:23 PM
Job done. He has proven yet again that he is an exceptional miler. It's time to take him out of his comfort zone now. As Richard Hughes said, if he wins well over 10f at York then give him a crack at the Arc.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on August 01, 2012, 03:18:01 PM
Presume it was comfortable so? Didn't get to see it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 01, 2012, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Declan on August 01, 2012, 03:18:01 PM
Presume it was comfortable so? Didn't get to see it

Did it as he liked. Queally just shook him up at the furlong pole and won 6 lengths under hands and heels.

When you see how well Noble Mission stayed over a mile and a half yesterday it would be a shame if he never tackled that trip.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on August 15, 2012, 12:12:44 PM
Got a nod for Inka Surprise in the 2.30 today. Lets hope it goes in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on August 15, 2012, 01:20:23 PM
Claire Balding - Channel 4 racing. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!, she will just annoy my cheltenham viewing
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: maddog on August 15, 2012, 12:12:44 PM
Got a nod for Inka Surprise in the 2.30 today. Lets hope it goes in.

just went to back it on PP there, "betting suspended" on this horse alone...  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on August 15, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
non runner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on August 15, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
non runner

in that case, Six Wives in the 3.50 small e/w instead @ 20/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 15, 2012, 03:31:07 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on August 15, 2012, 01:20:23 PM
Claire Balding - Channel 4 racing. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!, she will just annoy my cheltenham viewing

John Francome gone from their coverage too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on August 15, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
non runner

in that case, Six Wives in the 3.50 small e/w instead @ 20/1

Anyone follow??  8)  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on August 15, 2012, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on August 15, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
non runner

in that case, Six Wives in the 3.50 small e/w instead @ 20/1

Anyone follow??  8)  ;D

Sure did - nice one Sammy. ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on August 15, 2012, 04:05:28 PM
How much had you on Sammy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: manballandall on August 15, 2012, 04:07:24 PM
Fiver each way for me...cheers :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 15, 2012, 04:05:28 PM
How much had you on Sammy?

£12.50 e/w - I dont like going mad on a 20/1 that I don't know much about. Always a bit gutted it wasnt more after it wins, but can't complain on a mucky Wednesday afternoon with that price of a winner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on August 15, 2012, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 15, 2012, 04:05:28 PM
How much had you on Sammy?

£12.50 e/w - I dont like going mad on a 20/1 that I don't know much about. Always a bit gutted it wasnt more after it wins, but can't complain on a mucky Wednesday afternoon with that price of a winner

Exactly yeah, still a nice return.

If you here any more good tips stick them up , cheers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 04:20:45 PM
that 1 wasn't a tip rodney, I fancied that to run well on ratings and going and it looked way over priced and if you wanted to go back about 20 pages on this thread, you would see what my "tips" are like...  :-\  :'(  #stayclear
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on August 15, 2012, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 04:20:45 PM
that 1 wasn't a tip rodney, I fancied that to run well on ratings and going and it looked way over priced and if you wanted to go back about 20 pages on this thread, you would see what my "tips" are like...  :-\  :'(  #stayclear

Ha fair enough, A one off maybe. I rarely back horses anyways. Just the big meetings, cheltenham, galway,ascot, that's about it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on August 15, 2012, 05:19:03 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on August 15, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
non runner

in that case, Six Wives in the 3.50 small e/w instead @ 20/1

Anyone follow??  8)  ;D

Sure did, Cheers sammy, between Rory and Six Wives the PP account has started to look a lot better.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 05:41:48 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on August 15, 2012, 05:19:03 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 15, 2012, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on August 15, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
non runner

in that case, Six Wives in the 3.50 small e/w instead @ 20/1

Anyone follow??  8)  ;D

Sure did, Cheers sammy, between Rory and Six Wives the PP account has started to look a lot better.

Good man Gerry!! Don't forget Poults - even though he shit the nest!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on August 15, 2012, 06:15:10 PM
wd to Sammy ( and his followers)  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 16, 2012, 02:02:15 PM
DUTCH SUPREME 5/1 in the 4.20 at Newmarket... topical  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on August 17, 2012, 10:38:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=074sTgXhSDo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

camelot if anyone intrested
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 20, 2012, 02:14:59 PM
I fancy Gra Geal Mo Chroi to run a decent race at long odds at Roscommon 6.10 and Kieltys Folly is another one that could be over-priced at Wolverhampton, 4-20 its 20/1. Just fancies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 21, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
History to repeat itself at York again tomorrow?

I doubt there is a Roberto in the line up but the tactics will be fascinating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNsATgJA50g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNsATgJA50g)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on August 21, 2012, 11:24:45 PM
Markets without Frankel even suggest no other challengers. Abbey at evens - however I think twice over would have a better shout. 

Everyone lumping in Frankel?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 22, 2012, 02:17:42 PM
I have a feeling we'll see significant improvement from Afonso De Sousa on this quicker ground in the next at York.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on August 22, 2012, 03:51:21 PM
Who can stop Frankel ?

How long more will they race him ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 22, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
Danadana in the last, Fallon is hungry for a winner!!  :-*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 22, 2012, 04:50:45 PM
Simply brilliant. I would love to see him at a mile and a half but suspect it will never happen. It will be interesting to see what sort of stud fee he'll command. He'll be over six figures sterling for sure.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 22, 2012, 05:12:59 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 22, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
Danadana in the last, Fallon is hungry for a winner!!  :-*

8) get in Kieren!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on August 22, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 22, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
Danadana in the last, Fallon is hungry for a winner!!  :-*

Great call Sammy. You're on fire!! Staying away from the nags but might have to start following ya again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on August 22, 2012, 11:51:58 PM
Frankel walks into a bar. BARMAN: Why the long face? FRANKEL: My job doesn't challenge me. Glass of champagne, please.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on August 23, 2012, 12:17:42 AM
Im far from a expert in horse racing but i need to ask this question, i dont care how stupid it will make me look. Frankel is 13 wins from 13 races, he is classed as greatest horse of all time. Some of these races had only 4 horses racing, and most of the races were not big events to win, only 13 races, how many races would horses normally race in a lifetime and why not race in bigger races, i know different horses race different lengths but frankel never seemed to up any of the big guns?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on August 23, 2012, 05:05:42 AM
Frankel has won 11 group one races in a row.

While you get the odd exception, group one races involve the best horses available at that distance/age group.

Every time he has ran, he has done so against the highest quality of horses, and he has routinely shat all over each and every one of them. It's not his fault that no significant challenger has appeared, but the other side of this is that because he's a freak, there is no chance of a serious competitor appearing.

Some people might write about him needing to win at 1.5 miles to prove he is the greatest. But they're the type of people who will tell you that Usain Bolt isn't that good. Truth is, if Bolt concentrated on 400m, he'd walk it too. Similarly, if Frankel concentrated on longer distances, he'd win. But you have to concentrate your efforts somewhere.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 23, 2012, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2012, 05:05:42 AM
Some people might write about him needing to win at 1.5 miles to prove he is the greatest. But they're the type of people who will tell you that Usain Bolt isn't that good. Truth is, if Bolt concentrated on 400m, he'd walk it too. Similarly, if Frankel concentrated on longer distances, he'd win. But you have to concentrate your efforts somewhere.

I'd be one of those people!

Frankel is indeed a complete freak and I would be someone who would have had doubts about him before. The first time I became a believer was after the Sussex last year when he slammed a genuine top class miler in Canford Cliffs. Excelebration has never let the form down either and has won Group 1s in France and Germany when away from Frankel. Even going back to his 2yo days he beat horses like Nathaniel, Dream Ahead, Treasure Beach and Colour Vision who have since won a King George, an Eclipse, a July Cup, a Haydock Sprint Cup, an Irish Derby and an Ascot Gold Cup between them.

It's a pity though that he's only going up in trip now because there was nothing more left too achieve at a mile after last year. The pattern for 10f horses is excellent in Europe (Prix Ganet, Tatts Gold Cup, Prince of Wales, Eclipse, Juddmonte, Irish Champion Stakes) and it would have allowed greater flexibility to either go up or down in trip had he taken in some of those earlier races instead of the Lockinge and the Queen Anne. I don't think it was the most stellar field of 10f horses yesterday but it was a decent Group 1 all the same. St Nick was a champion 2yo and has won two Coronation Cups and a Breeders Cup Turf. He's better over 12f but he was beaten all ends up yesterday and was never getting back at the great horse. Farrh has quite good Group 1 form over 10f after being unlucky in running when close up behind So You Think at Ascot and then just touched off by Nathaniel in the Eclipse at Sandown.

If Frankel does go on to Ascot as planned then he'll probably be coming up against a similar field. The Arc would be his greatest challenge and would be a fitting race to retire after. I think it would be a shame if the greatest horse in the world didn't run in the world's greatest race. The 12f trip would be an unknown but he wasn't stopping at the finish yesterday and his full brother stays the distance. It would be asking the horse to step out of his comfort zone but that is something that all the great horses were asked to do. The Arc was the pinnacle for both Sea The Stars and Dancing Brave and I've no doubt it would be a similar story for Frankel if he ran. I suspect the fear of losing the unbeaten record comes into play but it shoudn't. Not retiring undefeated has not tarnished the legacy of great horses like the two mentioned above or Nijinsky (who was beaten by a head in the Arc) or Brigadier Gerard.

I just think a win in the Arc would elevate the horse's standing even further. A hack canter around Ascot would be a great lap of honour for the Frankel but it won't add anything to his glittering CV.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on August 30, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
I see Johnny Murtagh has received his marching orders from the Aga Khan, its becoming a bit of a habit at this stage ! Still, i suppose he left him no choice following the result of the Leger trial on Saturday, its not like Johnny has made much of an attempt to disguise who is actually training Tinklers horses, its been an open secret in horse racing circles for quite a while now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 30, 2012, 05:57:56 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on August 30, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
I see Johnny Murtagh has received his marching orders from the Aga Khan, its becoming a bit of a habit at this stage ! Still, i suppose he left him no choice following the result of the Leger trial on Saturday, its not like Johnny has made much of an attempt to disguise who is actually training Tinklers horses, its been an open secret in horse racing circles for quite a while now.

Murtagh will do well with Tommy Carmody/Andrew Tinkler. They have a very tidy operation together down at Pollardstown. They'll have a few going jumping too so I wonder will Murtagh take out a national hunt license again like he did to ride Golden Cross. Maybe his age might be a factor in that decision.

Shane Foley looks a worthy successor given his success this season on the Aga's horses for Mick Halford.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 05, 2012, 09:06:26 PM
Quite sad to have heard the news of John Oaksey's passing today. I grew up like many more watching him and Brough Scott on Channel 4. He did such great work for the Injured Jockey's Fund and racing will be a lesser place for his loss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-178iVld-Jk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-178iVld-Jk)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on September 15, 2012, 04:15:00 PM
Did anyone here the commentator on ATR after Camelot got beat? sounded like he lost the mortgage on that race the way he was criticizing JP. disappointing result, unless you backed Encke obviously. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 15, 2012, 05:10:51 PM
It was a very poor ride and I'm sure Joseph would ride the race a lot differently if he could get another chance at it. People forget that he's only 19 but I doubt he'll be much be able to ride for much longer on the flat given his size. It's a pity he has missed the chance to make racing history.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: barelegs on September 15, 2012, 08:05:18 PM
Just as a casual observation JPOB seems to be riding overweight a lot over the last couple of weeks. It's always been an sporadic issue but it seems to be a more regular occurence lately. I don't think we'll see him back next season. It'll be interesting to see what the future holds for him. I'm not convinced he'll go jumping (as a jockey anyway.)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 15, 2012, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 15, 2012, 05:10:51 PM
It was a very poor ride and I'm sure Joseph would ride the race a lot differently if he could get another chance at it. People forget that he's only 19 but I doubt he'll be much be able to ride for much longer on the flat given his size. It's a pity he has missed the chance to make racing history.

I agree that his performances should be judged in the context of his age but if he's going to get eh leg up on the best horses consistently, he'll be judged against the best jockeys. Today he fell short and for all that Aidan O'Brien has achieved, his best chance chance to equal Vincent's greatest feat may have gone.

And what a finish to the Irish Leger! DH, what do you think the future holds for Dawn Approach?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on September 15, 2012, 09:33:12 PM
In fairness i wouldn't blame Joe, the horse didn't pick up, simple as, the boys were as bullish as they have ever been but these things happen, joe thought his speed would pick everything else up,it cost me a small fortune but i dont blame Joe or anyone else at ballydoyle,horse racing isn't an exact science.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2012, 09:36:50 PM
Agree. Horse wasn't there a furlOng out. Young Joe had him pretty much ready to go and...he didn't.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 15, 2012, 10:04:50 PM
I don't know lads. I think the best horse lost that race. O'Brien has ridden some great races this year but he had a mare today. He went for a run up the inside that was never really going to materialise with the pacemaker falling away. He never got his horse rolling before getting him out in the clear then. Barzalona had been rowing away on his horse for nearly a furlong and had built up a head of steam. Joseph went from just niggling along to an all out drive in the space of a few strides. That's not something you'd see him normally do and it's generally a sign of a jockey who has gone from ultra confident to panicking in the blink of an eye. It's like changing from second gear straight into fifth in a car.

As for Dawn Approach, plenty to like about him. Lovely professional way of running and looks like he'll get the mile well. If the Sheikh leaves him with Bolger then he's a serious Guineas horse but if he's off to Dubai after the Dewhurst than you can put a line through him for Newmarket. There haven't been many 2yos worth getting excited about yet. Mars is the talking horse but we haven't seen him since his maiden. Hughesie gave Toronado a smashing ride in the Champagne Stakes today but I doubt he's top class. I liked Noseda's Dalakhani colt that won the Solario at Sandown but I wouldn't say he's extraordinary either.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 18, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
Great card down at Listowel tomorrow. Some big talking horses like Minsk, Pique Sous and Teelin Star all on retrieval missions after disappointing last time out. The Kerry National looks a very good quality handicap chase for this time of year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on September 19, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
I own a couple of legs in Premier Dane running in the Kerry National today, cant tell ye much really as the ground and trip are unknowns, he is officially well in at the weights and David has him as fit as he has ever been but he wont have encountered ground like this before, we ran him on the soft at Newton Abbott there a couple of weeks ago to see how he would handle it as his previous trainer Nicky Richards always said he hated soft but he sluiced up and AP said he loved the ground, go figure !

His price is baffling though considering the unknowns, we have had a bit of a cut at him ante-post but not anywhere near enough for him to be a single figure price, i can only assume he has been punted because of who his trainer is, he has been a solid performer for us over the years, he was third in the County Hurdle for us five years ago but he is as odd as a box of frogs, like another of ours Faasel, Pipe seems to have found the key to him winning his last three but he is as likely to be pulled up as he is to win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2012, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on September 19, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
I own a couple of legs in Premier Dane running in the Kerry National today, cant tell ye much really as the ground and trip are unknowns, he is officially well in at the weights and David has him as fit as he has ever been but he wont have encountered ground like this before, we ran him on the soft at Newton Abbott there a couple of weeks ago to see how he would handle it as his previous trainer Nicky Richards always said he hated soft but he sluiced up and AP said he loved the ground, go figure !

His price is baffling though considering the unknowns, we have had a bit of a cut at him ante-post but not anywhere near enough for him to be a single figure price, i can only assume he has been punted because of who his trainer is, he has been a solid performer for us over the years, he was third in the County Hurdle for us five years ago but he is as odd as a box of frogs, like another of ours Faasel, Pipe seems to have found the key to him winning his last three but he is as likely to be pulled up as he is to win.

Good to see some new posters on the racing thread. There used to be good racing discussion over on An Fear Rua so hopefully a few more of the refugees might end up on here. I hope Premier Dane is ok after his fall today. They might be two rogues but I'd say they are two great horses to be involved with.

I thought Teelin Star was quite impressive today in the bumper. He looks a real dour staying chaser in the making and could be one for something like the Irish National in 2013.

Real sign of the times tomorrow with only two runners declared for the bumper. I expect we'll be seeing smaller and smaller fields throughout the NH season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on September 19, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2012, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on September 19, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
I own a couple of legs in Premier Dane running in the Kerry National today, cant tell ye much really as the ground and trip are unknowns, he is officially well in at the weights and David has him as fit as he has ever been but he wont have encountered ground like this before, we ran him on the soft at Newton Abbott there a couple of weeks ago to see how he would handle it as his previous trainer Nicky Richards always said he hated soft but he sluiced up and AP said he loved the ground, go figure !

His price is baffling though considering the unknowns, we have had a bit of a cut at him ante-post but not anywhere near enough for him to be a single figure price, i can only assume he has been punted because of who his trainer is, he has been a solid performer for us over the years, he was third in the County Hurdle for us five years ago but he is as odd as a box of frogs, like another of ours Faasel, Pipe seems to have found the key to him winning his last three but he is as likely to be pulled up as he is to win.

Good to see some new posters on the racing thread. There used to be good racing discussion over on An Fear Rua so hopefully a few more of the refugees might end up on here. I hope Premier Dane is ok after his fall today. They might be two rogues but I'd say they are two great horses to be involved with.

I thought Teelin Star was quite impressive today in the bumper. He looks a real dour staying chaser in the making and could be one for something like the Irish National in 2013.

Real sign of the times tomorrow with only two runners declared for the bumper. I expect we'll be seeing smaller and smaller fields throughout the NH season.

We have a good few at this stage now Donnellys spread between home and various trainers in England, some of them pretty good but i can say without any hesitation that Faasel has given us the most pleasure ( and pain, three seconds at the Cheltenham festival twice in the Kim Muir and once in the triumph, he was also second in the Bet 365 at Sandown and fourth in an Arkle) over the years, he is a monkey but it will be a sad day when we put him out to paddock, he gave us our best day out in racing the day he won the Aintree hurdle, by god we bet like men that day ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2012, 07:20:05 PM
I'm sure most NH followers have a few experiences of Faasel alright! I actually had a decent each way punt on him for that Arkle. He was hampered after Twist Magic and Don't Push It came down at the second last wasn't he?

I remember him beating Alexander Goldrun in a nursery at Listowel when Kevin still had him. Must be nearly ten years ago now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on September 20, 2012, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2012, 07:20:05 PM
I'm sure most NH followers have a few experiences of Faasel alright! I actually had a decent each way punt on him for that Arkle. He was hampered after Twist Magic and Don't Push It came down at the second last wasn't he?

I remember him beating Alexander Goldrun in a nursery at Listowel when Kevin still had him. Must be nearly ten years ago now.

Faasel was bought, for too much imho, Kevin saw us coming ;), to win the triumph, we had him schooled over hurdles and he looked the part, we all took fairly fancy prices about him, in fact i put him up here when he was around 25/1 i think, he would have won that Triumph if our jockey had done as instructed but living is learning as they say.

I think in hindsight we sent him to the wrong trainer, at the time the main man in the syndicate had a historical connection with Gordon Richards so he was keen to send Faasel to Nicky, the decision was also influenced by his falling out with Martin Pipe, at the time i had just been enticed on board by a mutual friend  and was happy enough to go along with the decision, Jim semi-retired around three years ago, although some of the horses still run in his name and colours, and myself and a couple of others took over the decisions with regard to where we send the horses from the various syndicates now involved, i have stepped back a bit myself now as i don't have the time since the family arrived and as much as i love the horses they cant compete with Tipp in the summer months ;)

We have a fair spread of trainers now, Pipe, McCain, Henderson and Martin Todhunter in England and Willie Mullins, Gordon Elliot and Eddie O'Grady at home, on the flat we have a couple with Richard Hannon, a couple with Richard Fahey and we have recently sent a couple to Denis Coakley, we like to have a spread as various syndicate members are spread between the two islands and we all like to see our horses run, most of the lads have a few bob and its just a hobby although we actually made a few quid last year selling a couple of our flat horses to Hong Kong, one thing we have learned over the years though is that 90% of this game is guesswork and as long as you accept that fact its great craic.

Actually we have learned two things, the second being that if you want a gamble then Pipe is your only man ( or men if you count the mad hatter still making the decisions in the background ;)

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on September 21, 2012, 12:20:09 PM
Boston Rocker in the 2.20 at Ayr bound to have a good chance ;-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on September 26, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2012, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on September 19, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
I own a couple of legs in Premier Dane running in the Kerry National today, cant tell ye much really as the ground and trip are unknowns, he is officially well in at the weights and David has him as fit as he has ever been but he wont have encountered ground like this before, we ran him on the soft at Newton Abbott there a couple of weeks ago to see how he would handle it as his previous trainer Nicky Richards always said he hated soft but he sluiced up and AP said he loved the ground, go figure !

His price is baffling though considering the unknowns, we have had a bit of a cut at him ante-post but not anywhere near enough for him to be a single figure price, i can only assume he has been punted because of who his trainer is, he has been a solid performer for us over the years, he was third in the County Hurdle for us five years ago but he is as odd as a box of frogs, like another of ours Faasel, Pipe seems to have found the key to him winning his last three but he is as likely to be pulled up as he is to win.

Good to see some new posters on the racing thread. There used to be good racing discussion over on An Fear Rua so hopefully a few more of the refugees might end up on here. I hope Premier Dane is ok after his fall today. They might be two rogues but I'd say they are two great horses to be involved with.

I thought Teelin Star was quite impressive today in the bumper. He looks a real dour staying chaser in the making and could be one for something like the Irish National in 2013.

Real sign of the times tomorrow with only two runners declared for the bumper. I expect we'll be seeing smaller and smaller fields throughout the NH season.


Unfortunately we had to have him put down over the weekend DH, he cracked his shoulder in the fall at Listowel and despite a couple of vets feeling he would eventually recover it was decided that as he would be in a lot of pain during the recovery process it would be best to have him destroyed humanely.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Asal Mor on September 26, 2012, 12:00:34 PM
That's a shame hoh. Sorry to hear it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on September 26, 2012, 01:23:27 PM
Bit of a weird question but think this is the place for it.

Ever hear the phrase 'money from America' used in bookies or wherever about a so called certainty bet?

Anyone know the origin of this phrase?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on September 26, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
I would guess it refers to the icon in Irish culture that is the "letter from America" that generations of Irish people received regularly, containing money from family members who had emigrated to the states to supplement the family income. So, in the betting context - easy money - reliable money - money that you don't have to do anything for.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on September 26, 2012, 02:12:31 PM
 :'( thats a real shitter hoh, promising horse who has now perished
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on September 26, 2012, 02:20:04 PM
Well back Home of Hurling.

I remember you putting Faasel and I think Premier Dane up on an old version of the board circa 2005. There was good few on Faasel that day.

Sorry to hear about PD.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on September 26, 2012, 03:01:58 PM
Thanks for the kind words lads, no matter how many times you lose a horse it doesn't get any easier, its bad timing really as Pipe seemed to have found the key to him recently with three wins in a row before Listowel but that's racing for you.

Howrya BC, yeah i put Faasel up for the Triumph when he was around 25/1 all those years ago, i still feel sick when i think about that race and especially Dobbins ride and his attitude afterwards, it was the one that got away alright, his win in the Aintree hurdle made up for it to an extent but Jim, whose colours he ran in, always wanted a winner at the festival, we have remedied that situation since with Gaspara first and a couple of others since but they all ran in other syndicate members colours unfortunately.

As for Premier Dane, he was third for us at 100/1 in the County a few years ago after looking the winner a furlong out, he always promised a lot but Richards never worked him out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2012, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on September 26, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2012, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on September 19, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
I own a couple of legs in Premier Dane running in the Kerry National today, cant tell ye much really as the ground and trip are unknowns, he is officially well in at the weights and David has him as fit as he has ever been but he wont have encountered ground like this before, we ran him on the soft at Newton Abbott there a couple of weeks ago to see how he would handle it as his previous trainer Nicky Richards always said he hated soft but he sluiced up and AP said he loved the ground, go figure !

His price is baffling though considering the unknowns, we have had a bit of a cut at him ante-post but not anywhere near enough for him to be a single figure price, i can only assume he has been punted because of who his trainer is, he has been a solid performer for us over the years, he was third in the County Hurdle for us five years ago but he is as odd as a box of frogs, like another of ours Faasel, Pipe seems to have found the key to him winning his last three but he is as likely to be pulled up as he is to win.

Good to see some new posters on the racing thread. There used to be good racing discussion over on An Fear Rua so hopefully a few more of the refugees might end up on here. I hope Premier Dane is ok after his fall today. They might be two rogues but I'd say they are two great horses to be involved with.

I thought Teelin Star was quite impressive today in the bumper. He looks a real dour staying chaser in the making and could be one for something like the Irish National in 2013.

Real sign of the times tomorrow with only two runners declared for the bumper. I expect we'll be seeing smaller and smaller fields throughout the NH season.


Unfortunately we had to have him put down over the weekend DH, he cracked his shoulder in the fall at Listowel and despite a couple of vets feeling he would eventually recover it was decided that as he would be in a lot of pain during the recovery process it would be best to have him destroyed humanely.

Sorry to hear that. Such a pity. It's part and parcel of the game unfortunately but for some reason it seems to happen more often to the good ones. I'm convinced that one horse I was involved with was destined for great things. He was a big strapping Old Vic and we won a p2p with him as a 4yo. We had turned down a few good offers for him and were getting fit for a bumper at Naas. The week before the race he was being led out for a gallop when he was spooked by something and got loose. He ended up breaking his legs trying to jump a gate.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 02, 2012, 04:44:12 PM
Izzini coming in for a few quid in the bumper at Sedgefield was 14/1 this morning, now down to 9/2

11/2 winner.... hope someone picked that up!  ;) 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: barelegs on October 02, 2012, 07:47:38 PM
Arc this Sunday.The field is starting to take shape. Nathaniel is out with a fever according to Gosden. Danedream withdrawn at the five day stage

Is the field opening up for Camelot. Plenty of money (10/1 - 9/2) for Dettori to ride him today and O'Brien sounding reasonably inclined towards it. He's bound to have every chance now. Orfevre still the one to beat?

Would love to see Camelot do it (mostly because I backed him at a decent price after the St Leger for it). Still don't think we've seen the best of him. There are plenty of question marks over him but he was fairly impressive the last time he ran at a mile and a half
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2012, 07:47:23 PM
It's amazing how things work out sometimes. There was quite a big fallout after Dettori won the Leger on Scorpion and he threw his toys out of the pram after George Washington's QEII the following year with Heffernan picking up a ban as a result. O'Brien was absolutely raging over that at the time.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: barelegs on October 04, 2012, 10:04:57 PM
Thinking out loud here for a second, but it's looking fairly likely the top job in Ballydoyle is opening up again after this season. Any chance Dettori is offered it? There's been a bit of friction between him and Godolphin this year.  It'll be an interesting call
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 04, 2012, 10:57:42 PM
I can't see Dettori moving to Tipp at this stage in his life. Joseph should be able to do another year but it can't be easy with the weight. It will be interesting to see who, if anybody, they have lined up as his eventual replacement. I think they put all their eggs in one basket with Ryan Moore but he didn't want to leave England. Smullen and Hughes are happy where they are and are both pushing on a bit now. Spencer doesn't pick up many spares for the yard apart from the handful of Fitri Hay horses he's retained to ride. I'd say Buick would be top of their wishlist but I'd love to see Wayne Lordan get the gig. Class rider.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on October 05, 2012, 11:13:09 AM
Moore is the number one choice, its his if he wants it DH but as you said he is unwilling to move, Soumillon was approached but again is happy where he is, the main man isn't a big fan of Richard Hughes, not necessarily his riding ability but more his "loose lips", if as expected AOB's eventual successor is Magniers son in law then I'm sure he will push for Lordan, there isn't a hope in hell of Spencer getting another go, he burnt too many bridges first time round, the ideal scenario for all involved would be a 10 years younger MJ !

As for Dettori riding Camelot, its a pretty significant booking, obviously Dettori will have had to run it by the Sheikh and as with everything Magnier and co do  the booking will have been made with an eye on the political aspect, relations have been steadily thawing between the two operations and I'm sure this latest move will have been made with that in mind.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 05, 2012, 04:37:15 PM
cant have camelot at all on sunday, will be laying it heavily
Title: Gadaíocht
Post by: drici on October 05, 2012, 04:54:27 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/PxrunL587OI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Girl steals Paul Carberry's horse whilst he does interview at Bellewstown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 05, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
Paul should know you don't leave your horse, woman or any other form of conveyance unattended in Bellewstown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 05, 2012, 06:37:53 PM
It will be an interesting few years for Coolmore. The loss of Montjeu will hit them in a few years time especially considering none of his own progeny have made much of an impression at stud so far. I don't think Danehill has ever really been replaced either. Holy Roman Emperor has only been so so and while Henrytheavigator's first crop have done well as 2yos, they appear very dependent on quicker ground. Galileo is clearly the best in the business and could well surpass his Daddy's legacy at the rate he's going but they wouldn't want to be too reliant on the Sadlers Wells line. I know they have an arrangement in place with Juddmonte so we'll probably be seeing more Dansili and Oasis Dream yearlings at Ballydoyle in the next few years. They'll be keen to see Frankel do well too being the best son of Galileo. Darley have some nice stallions on their roster at the moment and will do well in the next few years. Exceed And Excel, Shamardal, Cape Cross and Dubawi have all had good years and they have the two best sons of Galileo to have stood at stud so far in Teofilo and New Approach. It will be very interesting to see how the first crop of Sea The Stars fare and whether we'll see many of his progeny racing in the Aga Khan silks here in Ireland.

On the racing side of things, I wonder will Aidan want to train a few jumpers if Joseph ends up a NH jockey as seems inevitable now. I've noticed he has had a few of the horses in Anne Marie's colours entered up in bumpers in recent weeks. It was always speculated that they would want go back to their NH roots but there hasn't been a noticeable increase in the numbers or the quality of stock that is being sent to David Wachman. Maybe this is something that we might see over the next 5-10 years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: barelegs on October 05, 2012, 10:04:33 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/05/frankie-dettori-camelot-coolmore-godolphin

QuoteIn the circumstances, and given the identity of Camelot's owner, common courtesy should have decreed that he would seek Sheikh Mohammed's approval before agreeing to ride Camelot. And yet he did not. Instead, Godolphin learned of his decision via a text message.

That's a very interesting development. Looks like his days at Godolphin may well be numbered.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 11, 2012, 08:47:44 PM
Sad news breaking tonight regarding Camelot. It doesn't sound good for him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on October 13, 2012, 10:29:52 AM
4.40 Newmarket - MONTI RIDGE

Got chatting to the owner out in Spain at the end of August and he told me that this horse was going to win the racing post trophy on the 27th of October.

The horse is out today in a group 3 race , 4.40 Newmarket.

I don't know an awful lot about horses but I would have thought if it harboured ambitions of winning the racing post trophy then it should be winning a group three race today ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 14, 2012, 12:41:37 PM
He was unlucky but I think Trading Leather will make a very good 3yo over a mile and a half. It looks like he has yet to fill into his frame and you would have to be taken with his attitude yesterday.

There's a good national hunt card down in Limerick today. I'm looking forward to see how Teelin Star gets on over fences this season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2012, 07:50:57 PM
Great stuff from Hughesie over in England today.

Up Kildare!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 15, 2012, 09:05:13 PM
7 out of 8. Great stuff indeed!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 15, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 15, 2012, 07:50:57 PM
Great stuff from Hughesie over in England today.

Up Kildare!!

Was out all day, some riding performance from Hughes
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 18, 2012, 03:32:13 PM
Interesting winner in the 2.50 at Wincanton there. I would say it would gain some interest from certain sectors.

Disappointed with Trifolium earlier.

Might try a wee double on Baily Green and Joncol now to recoup the losses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Link on October 18, 2012, 03:44:41 PM
2.50 at wincanton. my mate posted on facebook about this. he had £20 on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on October 18, 2012, 08:01:38 PM
Program on 5Live at the moment about the best flat racing horse.  So far all about Frankel so far. 

I assume it will be a podcast.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on October 19, 2012, 09:06:50 AM
There will always be that slight doubt hanging over him though that they never raced him internationally.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 19, 2012, 05:23:34 PM
Yeah it's a pity that he wasn't given some more ambitious targets but I think it's understandable given the ill health of the trainer. I sadly get the impression that Henry Cecil does not have long left.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 20, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
Great to see Rite Of Passage back. Some feat of training by Weld.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on October 20, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
Talking through pocket, why is it that when you see a jockey looking between his legs back at the opposition 3f out that he invariably gets beat. (fame and glory)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 21, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
Haveaharp,i had a small bet on fame and glory and felt he gave the horse every chance in my opinon. What about Frankie getting dropped by the boys in blue?He'll be quite sought after i'd say as a freelance,tthough he prob only has 3 or 4 seasons left so i doubt Aidan will be ringing him to take over at coolmore!? Perhaps Donnelly might know more either way...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 21, 2012, 08:16:44 PM
Anyone watching jockey eile ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 22, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
I can't see Dettori becoming Coolmore stable jockey but I think he may fulfill a similar role in their setup to that of Ryan Moore in recent years. Dettori is settled with his family in Newmarket and I can't see him relocating to Cashel at this stage of his life. I think it might be a bit of a hasty decision on Godolphin's part. Dettori proved over in Canada last weekend that he's still the best around in the big races.

Some fine NH action these days. Good few interesting horses out tomorrow at both Fairyhouse and Exeter. Waaheb, Melodic Rendezvous, Rocky Creek, Cops And Robbers and War Correspondent (half-brother to War Of Attrition) all making their seasonal reappearances.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
Waaheb might have had a good spell off but he still looks to have something a bit special about him. We'll be hearing plenty more about him in the months ahead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 26, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
QuoteTiger Cliff 3-50 Doncaster a friend of mine who is a successful Professional Gamber more laying than backing living in Ireland but from England and over there at the moment was given this by a mate of his who has had 5k each way on it on the word of Henry Cecil saying ''Have a go today'',my buddy significantly less as he said they are only horses,Do what you will folks

Just picked this off another forum, 9/2 atm
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Link on October 26, 2012, 10:12:02 PM
Betfair offering a free £5 treble for aintree tomorrow, any tips lads?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 26, 2012, 10:45:57 PM
Lay pasha de polder x3
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2012, 12:02:21 PM
There's a full-brother to Grands Crus running in the maiden hurdle at Aintree. He won't be much of a price but he'd do if you were looking for a banker bet in a treble.

Last day of the flat turf season in Ireland today and an interesting renewal of the Racing Post Trophy over at Doncaster. DK has his horses flying at the moment and he should have a double at Leopardstown with Famous Name and his full-sister Big Break in the Killavullan. Looking forward to seeing how Trading Leather shapes up in the RP Trophy. Really taken with him in his three runs so far. It's not a race I'll be having a bet in as this Ballydoyle horse could be anything but I reckon Aidan will need a good horse to get one over on his old boss today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 27, 2012, 08:54:47 PM
Three winners out of three in your post there DH.

Jewson form well franked by for non stop today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2012, 12:39:15 PM
No one got rich backing any of them!

I liked the way Big Break put that race to bed. She'll be winning stakes races next year. It's fitting that she announced her arrival on the day her big brother ran his last race. What a horse he has been for the last 6 seasons. No Group 1 on the CV but you could see him doing well for the National Stud given his incredible constitution.

Trading Leather ran very flat at Doncaster. I think the hard race at Newmarket may have left its mark and I heard it remarked at Leopardstown yesterday that a few of Bolger's had gone in their coats. Might be worth bearing in mind for any of his Dundalk runners over the next few weeks. I'm not sure I'd be rushing to back Kingsbarns for Epsom at a short price. He did it nicely and looks like he'll make a better 3yo but he looks all stamina and he has quite a round action which suggests he needs an ease.

For Non Stop was very impressive at Liverpool and it puts pay to the argument that Sir Des Champs has beaten nothing so far in his career.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 28, 2012, 09:03:08 PM
Jockey eile excellent tonight...but you were all watching x factor  :'(

McCain winner at aintree today looks like one to follow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2012, 09:53:34 PM
Jockey Eile is great viewing. TG4 do some job with their small budget especially when you compare them to the collection of muppets in Montrose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on October 29, 2012, 05:56:55 PM
Four Commanders was a sad loss to racing today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on October 30, 2012, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2012, 12:39:15 PM
I'm not sure I'd be rushing to back Kingsbarns for Epsom at a short price. He did it nicely and looks like he'll make a better 3yo but he looks all stamina and he has quite a round action which suggests he needs an ease.

I think you have hit the nail on the head there Donnellys, if you had said to the Ballydoyle boys 4 weeks ago that he would win the racing post you would have got some quare looks, he came on a ton in the last couple of weeks and sealed the trip to Doncaster with a particular piece of work he did with Battle of Marengo recently, he isnt,or at least wasn't, in the top echelon of 2yos at Ballydoyle up to then, the boys in the know in Rosegreen have been chipping away at another Gallileo colt Mars for next years classics for a good while now, its hard enough at times to cut through the hype but from what I've heard from lads who wouldn't be prone to exaggeration they think Mars is pretty good ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2012, 12:23:10 PM
Has Mars had a setback? I expected to see him running in either the National Stakes or the Dewhurst but there was no sign of him. It would be hard to see him going to Newmarket in the spring with only a spin around Dundalk in a maiden under his belt. Maybe they're thinking he's more of a Ballysax/Derrinstown type.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2012, 05:06:28 PM
RIP Fergie Sutherland. Trainer of the mighty Imperial Call:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXyddCvyE1c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXyddCvyE1c)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef3mvqpkmnc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef3mvqpkmnc)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on November 01, 2012, 12:38:40 PM
Heard that DH - nice fella  Fergie
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 01, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: Declan on November 01, 2012, 12:38:40 PM
Heard that DH - nice fella  Fergie

He was some character Declan. He lost a leg in the Korean War. I was reading today that he first came to Cork in the 60s. I had no idea he was in Ireland that long.

I loved some of his quotes to the media when Imperial Call was in his pomp. "We schooled him. He was electric. But I shouldn't be saying this. My job's to beat the other b**tards, not educate them."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on November 01, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
I'm fairly sure the word eccentric exists to describe Fergie and his "dancing leg", in the Queens Hotel a few years ago during the festival he became embroiled in a bit of a heated debate with a couple of chaps who had taken umbrage at his brusque manner, upon being offered outside Fergie replied "my dear boy i have yet to acquire a fighting leg but rest assured i will put that right and meet you here next year " to the obvious bewilderment of his potential sparring partner !

Has there ever been a Gold cup winning trainer before or since who admitted freely that he didnt much care for training horses under rules, he was some character alright, Tom Costello would tell you some quare stories about the bould Fergie ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on November 01, 2012, 06:31:16 PM
Could be interesting.

Jump Boys on
Dé Céadaoin 28/11 ag 9:30

A rare behind the scenes look as we follow Ireland's top jump jockeys over the course of a racing season. Ruby Walsh, Davy Russell and Barry Geraghty star in this revealing, candid documentary, portraying life in the toughest profession in sport.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Two Hands FFS on November 02, 2012, 10:25:39 AM
Down Royal today..any experts got any info on the horses?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 03, 2012, 06:56:54 PM
Great ride by Ryan Moore on George Vancoveur there - £10 ew @ 6/1 so a nice start to the evening for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 03, 2012, 09:48:59 PM
Anyone have a link for the breeders cup? My betfair accounts been shut for some reason so can't watch on there and have no money in the pp account  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: MK on November 03, 2012, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 03, 2012, 09:48:59 PM
Anyone have a link for the breeders cup? My betfair accounts been shut for some reason so can't watch on there and have no money in the pp account  :-[

http://www.breederscup.com/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 03, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
Good man,1st time i tried it it wasn't working and i thought you were acting the pup,cheers.Come on St. Nic
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 05, 2012, 08:07:27 AM

A good collection of stable tours here

http://www.fatjockey.com/news-blogs/racing_news.php?Jumps-Stable-Tours-2012-13-169


ATR also have new jumps section worth a read .....www.attheraces.com/jumps
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 06, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Some interesting racing today. Dedigout at Punchestown. Haldon Gold Cup at Exeter.

Though not sure anything is a backable price. Cue Card has been a disappointment since his bumper days but was starting to get his act together last year imo.  He might have gone from being overrated to being underrated. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 06, 2012, 02:57:57 PM
Impressed with Cue Card there. Jumping could be a bit slicker but enters King George picture now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on November 06, 2012, 03:07:34 PM
Cue Card definitely rediscovering the old form. Doubled him with Hinterland in next
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
That Hinterland is some dog.

Cue Card is fairly interesting over a trip. His dam was a useful stayer for Eddie Hales.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on November 08, 2012, 03:48:35 PM
home farm won at thurles today 7-1, it was in my horse tracker but cant rem from where, did you mention this one at a time DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 08, 2012, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on November 08, 2012, 03:48:35 PM
home farm won at thurles today 7-1, it was in my horse tracker but cant rem from where, did you mention this one at a time DH?

I put him up around this time last year with a few more p2ps and French imports. Looking back at the list it just goes to show how there are no guarantees in NH racing. Champagne Fever won the two champion bumpers while both Darroun and Make Your Mark ran at the Cheltenham festival. Some of the others are yet to make the racecourse proper!

I know On Your Eoin is back in training and should be out in a bumper shortly. Twigline was supposed to be the 2011 Triumph Hurdle winner in waiting but she's supposed to be desperately hard to train. I'm not sure if they're persisting with her. I have no idea whether High Handel is in training.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Been doing some research on p2p winners from last season and have come across a few French imports as well. Most of these horses should be out in the next few weeks:

Champagne Fever: Won a maiden point by 10L at Quakerstown in April.

Darroun: Aga Khan bred winner on the flat in France. Now with Willie Mullins.

High Handel: Oratorio gelding who bolted up at Dromohane.

Home Farm: Presenting out of a half-sister to Jodami. Won at Horse & Jockey in March and now with Arthur Moore after going for €200,000 at Goffs in May.

Make Your Mark: Beneficial gelding from the family of Wayward Lad. Won a point at Lisronagh for Ger Hourigan (also ran War Of Attrition in a point). Bought by Harold Kirk for €100,000 at Goffs in May. Running tomorrow in the bumper at Punchestown for Gigginstown/Mullins.

Mythical Warrior: Commanding advantage over the afforementioned Home Farm when falling at the last at Horse & Jockey in March.

On Your Eoin: Beat Clondaw Warrior (subsequent Cheltenham bumper winner) at Maralin in April. Now with Noel Meade.

Toostrong: Unraced French import by Network (sire of Rubi Light and Sprinter Sacre). Bought by Gigginstown to be trained by Willie Mullins.

Twigline: Bumper winning filly in France who will run for the Clane based sydicate who own Quevega, Thousand Stars and J'y Vole.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 08, 2012, 04:41:02 PM
Thanks DH! I've been tracking it too and got on today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on November 09, 2012, 07:40:57 PM
Ant decent tips for for tomorrow in any race? Haven't backed any horses in a while
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2012, 10:16:05 PM
Good little card down at Clonmel tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how Willie Mullins's three horses get on with a view to the big weekend ahead. The yard has been going through something of a quiet spell. He had an easy winner up the north today but also two beaten favourites.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 15, 2012, 03:31:20 PM
2.35  PADDY POWER GOLD CUP CHASE (Grade 3)
TRENDS:
•   18 of the last 20 winners had won over the DISTANCE.
•   19 of the last 20 winners were OFFICIALLY RATED 137+
•   13 of the last 14 winners have been OFFICIALLY RATED between 136 – 150.
•   ALL of the last 20 winners were AGED 9 or LESS.
•   17 of the last 19 winners had finished 1st or 2nd in either or both of their last two starts.
•   In the last 19 years, only 3 winners have shouldered between 10st 3lb and 10st 12lb (Imperial Commander (2008), Little Josh (2010) & Great Endeavour (2011)) – 12 carried more, 4 carried less.
•   11 of the last 14 winners had won at CHELTENHAM beforehand.
•   12 of the last 14 winners had between 5 and 15 runs over fences beforehand.
•   15 of the last 20 winners were in the FIRST THREE in the BETTING.
•   5 FAVOURITES have won in the last 12 years (only 1 in the last 6 years though).
•   7 of the last 12 winners were scoring on their SEASONAL RETURN (5 exceptions finished first or second in their prep).
•   The PIPE stable has won the race 8 times in the last 16 years.
•   PAUL NICHOLLS has yet to win the race (has had 21 runners in the last 12 years and only five places (3 started favourite).
•   There has only beaten 1 IRISH TRAINED winner (Tranquil Sea (2009)) since 1980.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 15, 2012, 03:56:51 PM
2.50  RACING POST HURDLE (Handicap) (Grade 3)
TRENDS:
•   17 of the last 20 winners were AGED 5 or 6.
•   ONLY 2 FOUR YEAR OLDS have won since 1988 (DETROIT CITY (2006) & BRAMPOUR (2011)).
•   ALL of the last 20 winners had won over 2 miles in the past.
•   11 of the last 15 winners had finished 1st or 2nd LAST TIME OUT.
•   18 of the last 20 winners were OFFICIALLY RATED 129 +
•   16 of the last 20 winners had run 9 times or less over hurdles.
•   10 of the last 18 winners had had a run within the last month.
•   13 of the last 18 winners were first or second season hurdlers.
•   14 of the last 17 winners had won one or more of their last THREE STARTS.
•   4 OUTRIGHT FAVOURITES have won in the last 14 years (plus a Joint Favourite in 1999).
•   9 of the last 15 winners were from the FIRST TWO in the betting.
•   4 of the last 10 winners have carried 11st 12lb (plus KHYBER KIM carried 11st 9lb last year).
•   5 of the last 12 winners were scoring on their SEASONAL REAPPEARANCE.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 15, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
So whos your picks Don?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 15, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
Grands Crus and Cash and Go.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
Why oh why oh why have they messed up the format of the 10 To Follow?

I used to enter a few lines each year but I'm not going to bother this season and I doubt I'm alone. It was nigh on impossible to beat the syndicates as it was but at least you had some hope of landing the monthly or festival prizes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 15, 2012, 11:45:06 PM
Enda Bolger without a runner in the Cross Country Chase tomorrow? Must be the first time in a decade or more and sad to see IMO.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
He has only one in the banks race at Punchestown on Saturday too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 17, 2012, 06:44:33 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 15, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
Why oh why oh why have they messed up the format of the 10 To Follow?

I used to enter a few lines each year but I'm not going to bother this season and I doubt I'm alone. It was nigh on impossible to beat the syndicates as it was but at least you had some hope of landing the monthly or festival prizes.

Yeah it is crap. Plus I had Grands Crus in both my picks for it and also had a hefty punt on it as well myself.

Our Father was a good winner for me though.

Mickey Linden is thinking about following Pricewise for £50 a point from now on, I suppose if you have it you might as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 17, 2012, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: boojangles on November 15, 2012, 11:45:06 PM
Enda Bolger without a runner in the Cross Country Chase tomorrow? Must be the first time in a decade or more and sad to see IMO.

Looks like Arabella Boy will line up at the next Cheltenham meeting for him. He's been quite frustrating over the last few seasons but he's probably just a slow horse who will always get done in normal chases. He's still quite young for this sphere so he could develop into a decent money spinner for the yard. He should be getting plenty of weight from Uncle Junior the next day.

Clondaw Court looked like a serious tool in the bumper today. Favourite already for the Cheltenham bumper!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 19, 2012, 08:42:45 PM
Grands crus having a wind op...not sure it will fix him.

Willie Mullins back in form this weekend. His team this year looks deeper than ever.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2012, 10:41:14 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on November 19, 2012, 08:42:45 PM
Grands crus having a wind op...not sure it will fix him.

I think he's beginning to resent being held up in his races. He's not a horse that finds a great deal off the bridle anyway.

Quote from: bcarrier on November 19, 2012, 08:42:45 PM
Willie Mullins back in form this weekend. His team this year looks deeper than ever.

It's scary to think he has still got the likes of Boston Bob, Sir Des Champs and Un Atout to reappear. I thought that was a good run by Hurricane Fly yesterday. He had to do it all himself on the front end but I thought he had a race fit Go Native well cooked at the last. Captain Cee Bee might be getting on a bit now but he put in a great display last time out at Limerick Junction and he couldn't get a blow in yesterday. If they keep Hurricane Fly on the go now and get him to Cheltenham sound I wouldn't back against him regaining his crown. There's no way that was his true running last season.

Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
I see Staying Article did the business again today. Feckin missed it too.

I'm convinced that horse has a big race in him some day down the line. Interesting to see if O'Grady plots him up for something like the Schweppes or the County Hurdle. Those Definite Article horses are always knocked for being a bit soft like their Daddy but he out battled that Blackstairmountain who wouldn't beat his own shadow home.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 20, 2012, 01:47:53 PM
(Mullins Way - 3.20 S) Big money loading on this from a usual big price suspect. :) 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 20, 2012, 07:23:09 PM
Interesting card tomorrow at Fairyhouse. Mullins and Ruby look likely to have a good day. Heard good reports about Twigline before Cheltenham 2011 making his debut for Mullins should go well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on November 21, 2012, 07:17:21 AM
DH mentioned Twigline as one to watch this time last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 21, 2012, 03:45:16 PM
She's a good one. Great training performance to finally get her to the track because she's a very fragile mare.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 21, 2012, 05:22:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 21, 2012, 03:45:16 PM
She's a good one. Great training performance to finally get her to the track because she's a very fragile mare.

Nice to eventually see it run. After backing for 2011 truimph hurdle i thought it would never race. Looks a good prospect
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on November 23, 2012, 01:13:19 PM
It's a cruel game sometimes -

Go Native suffered a fatal injury when breaking a leg on the gallops on Friday morning, said trainer Noel Meade.
The nine-year-old was three times a Grade One winner and had looked back to his best this season following a long absence.
Meade said: "We're all in a state of shock at the moment.
"He was just doing a very steady canter. I was stood about 100 yards away from him and all of a sudden I heard this almighty crack and he'd somehow broken his leg above the hock.
"I don't know why these things happen. He was the first one to come up the straight gallop after it had been harrowed. We are all completely devastated. It's cruel blow for his owners and everyone in the yard."
Owned by the Docado syndicate, Go Native returned from an absence of 939 days to be third on the Flat at Navan in October and went a couple of places better subsequently at Galway. He went back over hurdles in the Morgiana Hurdle at Punchestown last weekend only to fall at the final flight when a length behind the winner, Hurricane Fly.
"You have to be a hard man in a game like this, I tell you" Noel Meade
Referring to the Morgiana, Meade said: "You have to question whether he did something in the fall, but although he's not done any fast work, he's been hacking all week and has seemed fine.
"We had the physio check him out thoroughly earlier in the week and she was happy that he was perfect. We'll never know now.
"He had all that time off and came back as good as he ever was and for this to happen is just incredible.
"You have to be a hard man in a game like this, I tell you.
"I know there are lots of other businesses where you get knocks, but there can't be many harder games than this."
Meade's inmate won nine races from 18 starts under Rules, including the Christmas Hurdle at Kempton and the Fighting Fifth Hurdle at Newcastle three years ago.
But his finest hour came a season earlier when he claimed the Supreme Novices' Hurdle by a neck at the 2009 Cheltenham Festival.
Go Native earned over £319,000 in prize-money for his connections.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 23, 2012, 05:43:46 PM
Noel Meade must be the unluckiest trainer going.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2012, 08:36:41 PM
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/punchestown-festival-to-feature-on-tg4-1-4508430 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/punchestown-festival-to-feature-on-tg4-1-4508430)

Documentary airs at 9:20 tonight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 24, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2012, 08:36:41 PM
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/punchestown-festival-to-feature-on-tg4-1-4508430 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/punchestown-festival-to-feature-on-tg4-1-4508430)

Documentary airs at 9:20 tonight.

Any links for online viewing?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2012, 06:13:34 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 24, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2012, 08:36:41 PM
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/punchestown-festival-to-feature-on-tg4-1-4508430 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/punchestown-festival-to-feature-on-tg4-1-4508430)

Documentary airs at 9:20 tonight.

Any links for online viewing?

Some great footage of the old horses in it.

http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html?id=1988089539001&title=Punchestown (http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html?id=1988089539001&title=Punchestown)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on November 25, 2012, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2012, 06:13:34 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 24, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 24, 2012, 08:36:41 PM
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/punchestown-festival-to-feature-on-tg4-1-4508430 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/punchestown-festival-to-feature-on-tg4-1-4508430)

Documentary airs at 9:20 tonight.

Any links for online viewing?

Some great footage of the old horses in it.

http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html?id=1988089539001&title=Punchestown (http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html?id=1988089539001&title=Punchestown)

Cheers DH
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Denn Forever on November 25, 2012, 09:58:27 PM
Also on TG4 on Wednesday.  Should be interesting.  Also, what did our horse  racing brethern make of Jockey Eile on TG4?

Jump Boys
Dé Céadaoin 28/11 ag 9:30
Leanann an clár faisnéise seo cuid de na léim-mharcaigh capall is aitheanta ar an rás chúrsa Éireannach . Tugann Ruby Walsh, Davy Russell agus Barry Geraghty blaise dúinn de shaol an mharcaigh sa spórt dúshlánach seo.
A rare behind the scenes look as we follow Ireland's top jump jockeys over the course of a racing season. Ruby Walsh, Davy Russell and Barry Geraghty star in this revealing, candid documentary, portraying life in the toughest profession in sport.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 28, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/8292570/mcdonagh-takes-up-aga-khan-role

Mc Donogh? Surprise for me i thought Foley was going to get his big break  ??? Ah well he's only a pup plenty of time yet!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 28, 2012, 08:04:34 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 28, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/8292570/mcdonagh-takes-up-aga-khan-role

Mc Donogh? Surprise for me i thought Foley was going to get his big break  ??? Ah well he's only a pup plenty of time yet!

I thought Dusty Foley would get it as well. Declan didn't have a great year by his standards but he has been champion before and is still young enough for a flat jockey.

It should be a good time to be riding for the Aga. Sea The Stars first crop will be hitting the track as 2yos next year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 5 Sams on November 28, 2012, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 25, 2012, 09:58:27 PM
Also on TG4 on Wednesday.  Should be interesting.  Also, what did our horse  racing brethern make of Jockey Eile on TG4?

Jump Boys
Dé Céadaoin 28/11 ag 9:30
Leanann an clár faisnéise seo cuid de na léim-mharcaigh capall is aitheanta ar an rás chúrsa Éireannach . Tugann Ruby Walsh, Davy Russell agus Barry Geraghty blaise dúinn de shaol an mharcaigh sa spórt dúshlánach seo.
A rare behind the scenes look as we follow Ireland's top jump jockeys over the course of a racing season. Ruby Walsh, Davy Russell and Barry Geraghty star in this revealing, candid documentary, portraying life in the toughest profession in sport.

I know fcuk all about GGs but Ruby's a cocky hoor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on November 29, 2012, 12:52:43 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 28, 2012, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 25, 2012, 09:58:27 PM
Also on TG4 on Wednesday.  Should be interesting.  Also, what did our horse  racing brethern make of Jockey Eile on TG4?

Jump Boys
Dé Céadaoin 28/11 ag 9:30
Leanann an clár faisnéise seo cuid de na léim-mharcaigh capall is aitheanta ar an rás chúrsa Éireannach . Tugann Ruby Walsh, Davy Russell agus Barry Geraghty blaise dúinn de shaol an mharcaigh sa spórt dúshlánach seo.
A rare behind the scenes look as we follow Ireland's top jump jockeys over the course of a racing season. Ruby Walsh, Davy Russell and Barry Geraghty star in this revealing, candid documentary, portraying life in the toughest profession in sport.

I know fcuk all about GGs but Ruby's a cocky hoor.

If you were as good at the game as Ruby is you'd be cocky too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on December 01, 2012, 10:46:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
I see Staying Article did the business again today. Feckin missed it too.

Out in the second at fairyhouse today. Evns at the minute.

Diamond Harry out today too.  Newbury suits him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Muzz on December 01, 2012, 10:46:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
I see Staying Article did the business again today. Feckin missed it too.

Out in the second at fairyhouse today. Evns at the minute.

Diamond Harry out today too.  Newbury suits him.

Beaten at 4/9 favourite!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 01, 2012, 01:21:53 PM
Stats-based ratings for the Hennessy pretty much reflect the market. More people must be betting based on the trends!

Hold On Julio          23.70
Bobs Worth           23.69
Duke Of Lucca      21.30
Tidal Bay              20.82
The Package          20.82
Lion Na Bearnai      20.59
Saint Are (FR)       20.59
First Lieutenant     20.58
Teaforthree           20.58
Carruthers             19.98
Harry The Viking   17.30
Frisco Depot          17.19
Diamond Harry       17.09
Roberto Goldback  16.98
Magnanimity          14.09
Alfie Spinner          13.69
Ikorodu Road        13.49
Fruity O'Rooney     13.37
Soll                       10.09
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 01, 2012, 01:32:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Muzz on December 01, 2012, 10:46:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
I see Staying Article did the business again today. Feckin missed it too.

Out in the second at fairyhouse today. Evns at the minute.

Diamond Harry out today too.  Newbury suits him.

Beaten at 4/9 favourite!

Too late today but don't be backing this horse until he is put into handicap company on better ground in the spring. Considering the yard he's coming from, he's going to be a long term plot for something like the Schweppes or the County. All those Definite Articles improve for better ground too. The winner there is a very useful beast. Willie messed up with him last season.

Good racing today but I tomorrow is as good a card as you're going to see this side of Christmas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 03, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
How impressed were you with Arvika Ligeonniere DH? What's he likely to run in at Cheltenham?The jewson?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 03, 2012, 11:14:54 PM
Hard not to be impressed but we've seen equally impressive Drinmore winners in recent years who haven't gone on after. I suppose it's a case of wait and see how he gets on over two miles at Christmas. I would say two and a half would be perfect for him but it might not be the strongest Arkle ever this season. I'm not convinced that Simonsig will make a great chaser (he did not jump at all well when winning his point) and the vibes from the yard at the moment are mixed. Overturn hardly has the profile of an Arkle winner, Captain Conan is a ridiculously short price and Oscars Well tried to kill himself at Punchestown and then galloped loose out the Two Mile House road!

It was great racing yesterday but I'm not sure we saw any Cheltenham winners in waiting. Our Connor and Champagne Fever would be the two horses I'd take out of it. Jezski did it nicely but he doesn't appeal to me as a Supreme Novices horse. We'll learn a lot more about him if he takes on Waaheb and/or Un Atout at Christmas. Champagne Fever was always going to get done for gears at this trip over hurdles. It could be a fascinating clash if he meets Don Cossack at Navan. I thought Our Connor looked like a smart juvenile but it's not a discipline that excites me. The 2014 Triumph Hurdler is probably still standing in his box somewhere in the French provinces.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 07, 2012, 12:25:58 AM
Just watching a few replays from Clonmel today and thought Stephen Gray give Ros brin a great ride in the 2.15,anyone know anything about the lad? Is he new on the scene or is he well enough known and i somehow haven't copped him?  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 07, 2012, 12:40:22 AM
He won the Galway Hurdle on Bahrain Storm a few years ago. He rides a good bit for Pat Flynn. I think he's from up Dundalk direction.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on December 07, 2012, 09:45:28 PM
yea he is from dundalk good lad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 07, 2012, 10:43:25 PM
Cheers lads,dunno how i've not noticed him before now  :-[ 

Any fancies for the weekend? I'm going to just watch Sprinter sacre v Sanctuaire and Flemenstar versus SDC. The race i have however had a little e/w bet on is Little josh in the grand sefton ,a lovely jumping front runner that i have a soft spot for,last time out in the topham at the Grand national meeting he ran pretty well on his first start over the Aintree fences when obstructed by a loose horse for most of the race and has been dropped a couple of pounds for that run,he has run well fresh in the past and Sam and Nigel TD have been in pretty good form of late,he looks to be all blue on oddschecker so if anyone's mad enough to follow me in they should prob back him now because blue on oddschecker at this time can signal he'll be tipped by Segal in pricewise in the morning and if that's the case he'll go off 7/2  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 08, 2012, 11:41:06 AM
(http://mob-horseracing-tips.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Sprinter-Sacre-Arkle_2732747.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 08, 2012, 12:02:37 PM
My stats- based ratings for the Becher Chase

West End Rocker   26.73
Join Together   23.43
Big Fella Thank   20.73
BallaBriggs   17.5
Poker De Sivola   17.43
Hello Bud   17.2
Problema Tic   16.9
Gullible Gordon   14.43
Swing Bill   14.2
Mumbles Head   14.2
Any Currency   13.83
Fabalu   13.83
In Compliance   13.3
Midnight Haz   10.83
Minella Theatre   10.83
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 09, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
I see Home Farm is out today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 09, 2012, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 09, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
I see Home Farm is out today.

I think Home Farm needs better ground but it's an open race now that Waaheb is out. Rory O'Moore has disappointed going right-handed before.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 09, 2012, 01:05:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 09, 2012, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 09, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
I see Home Farm is out today.

I think Home Farm needs better ground but it's an open race now that Waaheb is out. Rory O'Moore has disappointed going right-handed before.

Home Farm never going on the ground. Rory O'Moore hung like a gate. Ballinaslow, Rogue Angel and Teelin Star have done nothing for the form of the championship p2p bumper at Fairyhouse. It's a pity that Waaheb wasn't right because he wouldn't have come off the bridle there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 10, 2012, 02:46:57 PM
very late but Isla Pearl Fisher odds have changed from 14/1 to 7/1 so going to join in 2.50 Muss
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 10, 2012, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 10, 2012, 02:46:57 PM
very late but Isla Pearl Fisher odds have changed from 14/1 to 7/1 so going to join in 2.50 Muss

Just got up to beat the champ  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 12, 2012, 10:37:18 AM
When I heard this this morning on the wireless I thought it was April 1st. What's the world coming to?

Record-breaking racehorse Kauto Star has left trainer Paul Nicholls to embark on a dressage career.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/20682284 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/20682284)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 12, 2012, 10:39:05 AM
Nicholls showing his true colours. The man is an egomaniac.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 12, 2012, 10:46:02 AM
I get the impression that Nicholls is opposed to this, DH, which is why he asked them to take the horse away - he doesn't want to be associated with this travesty.

I guess it's par for the course these days. Nobody is surprised anymore by how former great sportspeople will cheapen themselves in pursuit of the dollar. The difference here is that poor ould Kauto Star has no choice in it himself and will spend the rest of his days dancing for dollars whether he likes it or not.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 12, 2012, 11:21:32 AM
The whole episode just goes to show the extent to which Nicholls can manipulate the racing media in Britain. He would do well to remember that it is Smith who owns the horse and has paid him handsomely for many years to train the horse. I don't see the problem with what Smith is doing. The likes of Moscow Flyer, Harchibald, Hardy Eustace, Kicking King, Brave Inca, Beef Or Salmon and War Of Attrition are competing successfully at these events so why should Kauto Star be treated any differently?
http://stabletostable.com/en/2012/07/and-theyre-off-to-the-2012-discover-ireland-dublin-horse-show/ (http://stabletostable.com/en/2012/07/and-theyre-off-to-the-2012-discover-ireland-dublin-horse-show/)

The horse will be kept active and will have a daily routine which is what a thoroughbred needs. Some of the quotes attributed to Nicholls over the past 24 hours are way over the top: "I did not want my team's distress to last any longer than it needed to." Now it's understandable that they have a great affinity to the horse, but he's retired and he's moving on to see out his years in another discipline. It's tough but that's the nature of the game. I recall hearing that Denman had moved on recently too and I don't recall any big hoopla over that.

I've never had much time for Nicholls or his whole operation. I thought his behaviour towards Pipe and McCoy after the Cyborgo/See More Business incident in the Gold Cup showed a distinct lack of class. Contrast that with Henry de Bromhead's humility and grace after this year's Champion Chase debacle. He also didn't show much concern for his horses welfare when he was going hammer and tongs with Pipe for the trainer's championship back in 2005. He has ruthlessly cast jockeys aside over the years like Timmy Murphy, Joe Tizzard and Sam Thomas. I have no sympathy for him here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 12, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
I thought your "Nicholls showing his true colours" comment was  blaming Nicholls for the decision to send KS eventing, DH. That made mo sense in retrospect. There's no doubt that Nicholls is the darling of the media and the fawning of Channel 4, in particular, would have you gagging. In fairness, that's not his fault, though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on December 12, 2012, 12:26:42 PM
Nicholls is a great trainer ...seems to be able to get longer out of horses than a lot of others. Tidal Bay the latest example.

His passion for it definitely spills over into a lack of class at times...the "we just blew Nicky out of the water" comment after the Grand National and fist pumping display after Silvi Conti won the betfair arent  what you normally expect from a trainer. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 12, 2012, 10:32:27 PM
The Nicholls v Henderson battle across the water and the Mullins/Gigginstown domination over here will do the game no good in the long term. The main appeal of NH racing is its competitiveness but that is being lost with so many of the quality horses being concentrated with so few trainers and owners. I think half the reason Flemenstar has attracted such a fan club is because he is not stabled in Closutton or owned by Mr Ryanair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 13, 2012, 02:17:08 PM
He can be a bit OTT, but I'd prefer if every trainer was as good at their job, as frank at their assessments, and as driven to win as Paul Nicholls, then a lot of the dirty accusations about the sport would be put to rest. Owners don't go Paul Nicholls to play games with the handicapper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 16, 2012, 01:43:20 PM
Poor old Davy, three rides and three falls today at Navan so far today, he'll probably win the next. Liking the look of Bay of Kotor in the 2-25...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 16, 2012, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 13, 2012, 02:17:08 PM
He can be a bit OTT, but I'd prefer if every trainer was as good at their job, as frank at their assessments, and as driven to win as Paul Nicholls, then a lot of the dirty accusations about the sport would be put to rest. Owners don't go Paul Nicholls to play games with the handicapper.

Nicholls is well capable at plotting them up. He is willing to go to any lengths to be successful. He pulled Rigmarole out of the County Hurdle one year after an adjustment in the weights could be made. Most of the field had to race from out of the handicap and Sporazene won it for the yard carrying top weight of 10st13lbs!

Don Cossack was well put in his place today. There have been a few big Gigginstown bubbles burst recently. The winner looked a nice horse. It's scary to think of the ammunition that Mullins has at his disposal. The fact that Patrick will break the record with the backing of one yard says it all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 17, 2012, 08:08:32 PM
Big Bucks and Al Ferof gone for the season
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gaa.boy on December 17, 2012, 10:38:50 PM
Looking for a bit of advice (hoping you can help Donnellys hollow). I want to buy a share in a national hunt racehorse. Preferably in a syndicate with 5 to 10 (max) members. Is there somewhere I can find others in a similar position, or any stables who co-ordinate this for novices like me trying to get involved in ownership?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on December 18, 2012, 12:06:22 PM
For the same money you could own all four legs of a fantastic greyhound.

If you have any luck (you`ll need that in both cases) you will win enough prize money never to have to pay a trainer or kennel fees. You could get a couple of dozen races out of it per year (versus half a dozen on average with a racehorse) and finally if the dog is a goodun you will have plenty of great fun nights, finals and excellent prize money.

I love horse racing too by the way - particularly the jumps - but if I had £10k - £15k spare I feel I think I would go for a top class greyhound!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 18, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
My advice would be to ensure you have someone involved who has prior experience of ownership or better still, prior experience of having a horse with the same trainer. A lot will be dependent on your budget but even a large wedge of cash is no guarantee of success - look at the amount of six figure purchases from the p2p field who are too slow to win any half decent race. I've seen horses go through the ring at Goffs with a leg in every parish that have fetched ridiculous amounts and then can't win a bumper or a maiden hurdle after they go into training. Horses can be picked up off the flat relatively cheaply but a lot of these have had the hearts trained out of them as 2 and 3yos and they can sour quite quickly.

Apart from the initial cost of buying the horse, you're probably looking at approximately €20k per annum to keep a horse in training with any of the better trainers. Training fees, entries, schooling, vet, transport, jockey - it all adds up. Don't expect to make money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 21, 2012, 10:49:16 PM
Puffin Billy and Simonsig impressive today at Ascot. Puffin Billy looks the best of the English novice hurdlers so far, likewise Simonsig in the novice chase division.

All set now for the feast of racing post Christmas. It looks tonight like Sir Des Champs will be heading for Kempton. Fascinating to see how he measures up against the English staying chasers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on December 22, 2012, 10:43:18 PM
Sir Des Champs not for kenpton going to leopardstown
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 23, 2012, 09:59:16 AM
Is Thurles going ahead today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 23, 2012, 12:42:34 PM
The ground at Leopardstown is shaping up to be quite decent. Kempton on the other hand could be softer than at any Christmas in living memory. I cannot recall a heavy ground renewal of the King George.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on December 23, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 23, 2012, 12:42:34 PM
The ground at Leopardstown is shaping up to be quite decent. Kempton on the other hand could be softer than at any Christmas in living memory. I cannot recall a heavy ground renewal of the King George.

Any fancies for the king George DH. Do you rate kauto stone?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 23, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 23, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 23, 2012, 12:42:34 PM
The ground at Leopardstown is shaping up to be quite decent. Kempton on the other hand could be softer than at any Christmas in living memory. I cannot recall a heavy ground renewal of the King George.

Any fancies for the king George DH. Do you rate kauto stone?

I don't really to be honest. The ground will be in his favour though. It could be a very attritional race this year on that ground and a lot of horses might just struggle to get into it.

I had a look through the cards there earlier on for Stephen's Day. Plenty of good racing but I can't really spot a standout bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on December 23, 2012, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 23, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 23, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 23, 2012, 12:42:34 PM
The ground at Leopardstown is shaping up to be quite decent. Kempton on the other hand could be softer than at any Christmas in living memory. I cannot recall a heavy ground renewal of the King George.

Any fancies for the king George DH. Do you rate kauto stone?

I don't really to be honest. The ground will be in his favour though. It could be a very attritional race this year on that ground and a lot of horses might just struggle to get into it.

I had a look through the cards there earlier on for Stephen's Day. Plenty of good racing but I can't really spot a standout bet.


take a closer look donnelly  ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 24, 2012, 10:17:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 18, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
My advice would be to ensure you have someone involved who has prior experience of ownership or better still, prior experience of having a horse with the same trainer. A lot will be dependent on your budget but even a large wedge of cash is no guarantee of success - look at the amount of six figure purchases from the p2p field who are too slow to win any half decent race. I've seen horses go through the ring at Goffs with a leg in every parish that have fetched ridiculous amounts and then can't win a bumper or a maiden hurdle after they go into training. Horses can be picked up off the flat relatively cheaply but a lot of these have had the hearts trained out of them as 2 and 3yos and they can sour quite quickly.

Apart from the initial cost of buying the horse, you're probably looking at approximately €20k per annum to keep a horse in training with any of the better trainers. Training fees, entries, schooling, vet, transport, jockey - it all adds up. Don't expect to make money.

To put Donnellys Hollow's final piece of advice into perspective, a recent survey has suggested that on average, racehorse owners loss 75% of the money they put into racing. Of course they other side of the argument is the intangible thrill of watching a horse race in your own colours. A relatively unknown trainer from a small yard will cost about 700 euro per month.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: the greatest jockey on December 26, 2012, 12:38:23 AM
Been reading through some form and here's a few selections for st stephen's day:

leopardstown
12.50 - anonis
1.50 - daggers bond ew
2.20 - glibin ew
2.55 - oscars well

down royal
3.00 - great oak

kempton
1.25 - coole river nap
3.10 for non stop ew
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2012, 08:38:53 AM
12:25 Down Royal. Something like Slippers Percy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on December 26, 2012, 10:23:57 AM
One for the Vile fans in the same race O'Neill, "Not Before Eight"  ;D. Btw is the above a serious tip (nice price).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2012, 12:42:05 PM
4th. Holiday dough blown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2012, 04:26:45 PM
Don't think we saw a Gold Cup horse today, can't see Long Run doing it again with his jumping.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 27, 2012, 08:05:39 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2012, 04:26:45 PM
Don't think we saw a Gold Cup horse today, can't see Long Run doing it again with his jumping.
A lot to do with the jockey I suspect.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on December 27, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
Any opinions on the Lexus tomorrow?
A few horses putting their Championship credentials on the line. Sir Des Champs was being talked about for the Gold Cup even before Cheltenham in March. Both him and Flemenstar looked impressive in the John Durkan a few weeks back. Flemenstar had a run under his belt already that day and his fitness probably showed. It is interesting that although Flemenstar is favourite for tomorrows race Sir Des Champs is still ahead of him in the betting for the Gold Cup in March. The Fat Controller :D brings Tidal Bay over also and on his best form he would be a big threat.
Most people would love to see Peter Casey's success story continue but by this time tomorrow I have a feeling the big boys (Mullins and O Leary) will be laughing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2012, 08:28:00 PM
Shaping up to be a cracking race. It's the first time in a long while that the Lexus is going to have more of an influence on the Gold Cup market than the King George. Whoever wins tomorrow will be at least joint fav with Bobs Worth for Cheltenham. I'm already on Sir Des Champs for March so will be a watching brief for me. If Flemenstar improves for the step up in trip then it is hard to see him beat but the tactics will be important. Lynch will have to have him handy and ride him as if he's going to get the trip. There was enough confidence behind Sir Des Champs the last day to suggest that he was fairly forward but I don't think the tighter inside track at Punchestown did him any favours. It should be closer tomorrow. Far from a two horse race with First Lieutenant, Pandorama, Hidden Cyclone and that rogue Tidal Bay in opposition. It's potentially the best staying chase to be held in Ireland for a long time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 28, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
I hope Flemenstar can do the business in impressive style as I have been mightily impressed by him so far and would love to see that continue this afternoon. Done the popular Zaidpour / Flem double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
I'd like to see one of the Irish contenders prove a real class act here and liven things up for the Gold Cup, but I have a bad feeling we'll be disappointed and I have a small punt on Tidal Bay.

How did Paul Carberry get that run out of Monksland there? I'm sure he must have been 50/1+ in running at the last bend.
Title: Geall
Post by: drici on December 28, 2012, 02:53:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_NZyesCAAEHHZ3.jpg)

These boys still in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 28, 2012, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
I'd like to see one of the Irish contenders prove a real class act here and liven things up for the Gold Cup, but I have a bad feeling we'll be disappointed and I have a small punt on Tidal Bay.

How did Paul Carberry get that run out of Monksland there? I'm sure he must have been 50/1+ in running at the last bend.

Good call with tidal bay, didnt see the race - how did sir des champs (my gold cup hope) go ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 28, 2012, 03:20:41 PM
Hell of a race. Michael O'Leary will be happy. Two genuine Gold Cup contenders. Sir Des Champs will improve for the better ground and extra trip at Cheltenham and I can't see him jumping that badly come the big day. Great day for Graham Wylie but I don't see him as a potential Gold Cup horse. Would be interesting if he went in the Stayers Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: maddog on December 28, 2012, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
I'd like to see one of the Irish contenders prove a real class act here and liven things up for the Gold Cup, but I have a bad feeling we'll be disappointed and I have a small punt on Tidal Bay.

How did Paul Carberry get that run out of Monksland there? I'm sure he must have been 50/1+ in running at the last bend.

Good call with tidal bay, didnt see the race - how did sir des champs (my gold cup hope) go ?
Sir Des Champs fourth, but it was really a blanket finish and any of them could have won with luck. Ruby got a run from nowhere out of Tidal bay in the last 100 yards and was lucky enough to find a gap as well, though you could say he showed up the staying weaknesses of the others. Sir Des Champs looked to be struggling far out but looked more a stayer than Flemenstar in the way he kept on off the bridle. Flemenstar was cruising all the way to the last, where he led by a few, but emptied on the run-in. First Lieutenant looked strong all through and confirmed his price undervalued his Hennessy performance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 28, 2012, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: maddog on December 28, 2012, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
I'd like to see one of the Irish contenders prove a real class act here and liven things up for the Gold Cup, but I have a bad feeling we'll be disappointed and I have a small punt on Tidal Bay.

How did Paul Carberry get that run out of Monksland there? I'm sure he must have been 50/1+ in running at the last bend.

Good call with tidal bay, didnt see the race - how did sir des champs (my gold cup hope) go ?
Sir Des Champs fourth, but it was really a blanket finish and any of them could have won with luck. Ruby got a run from nowhere out of Tidal bay in the last 100 yards and was lucky enough to find a gap as well, though you could say he showed up the staying weaknesses of the others. Sir Des Champs looked to be struggling far out but looked more a stayer than Flemenstar in the way he kept on off the bridle. Flemenstar was cruising all the way to the last, where he led by a few, but emptied on the run-in. First Lieutenant looked strong all through and confirmed his price undervalued his Hennessy performance.

Ted was saying that he thought Sir Des Champs didn't look as tight as some of the other runners and I would expect him to leave that form behind next time out (Hennessy probably). Jumping has to improve but he put in a super round on good ground at Cheltenham last year so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Flemenstar just emptied in the last half furlong. It's probably a bit harsh to say he didn't stay considering he's only beaten a length but it's hard to see him winning the Gold Cup. He's still a young horse and he should see out three miles well in time but I would drop him back in trip this season and then look to step him up again when he strengthens up a bit more (similar to what Twiston-Davies did with Imperial Commander). They could ruin him by running in it this year but Gold Cup in 2014 should be on his agenda.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 28, 2012, 03:40:44 PM
It worked out well for Tidal Bay with the two horses giving him something to chase after the last, and then the gap opening up. He really is an enigma but an exceptionally talented horse with a serious engine. It helped that the others got tired too. Of the three closest to him at the finish, I think First Lieutenant must get a lot of credit. He did really well on ground I expected he would hate. Sir Des Champs didn't travel the best but ran on past beaten horses and then started motoring after the last - a bit like Tidal Bay. Flemenstar you would say got a little bit tired and a combination of the trip and ground took their toll. I wouldn't write him off but I'd take others out of the race before him. Hidden Cyclone's jumping was a bit erratic- that was the most disheartening thing about his performance and Pandorama was the first beat today probably not the horse he was. Whether Ireland have something good enough to beat the likes of Long Run, Bobs Worth and Silviniaco Conti is probably debatable. I personally would take First Lieutenant on good ground above everything bar maybe his old foe Bobs Worth. With the blanket finish today, and the tight finish in the King George as well as the absence of Silviniaco Conti and Bobs Worth over the Christmas, it makes for an exciting build up to March.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 28, 2012, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: maddog on December 28, 2012, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 28, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
I'd like to see one of the Irish contenders prove a real class act here and liven things up for the Gold Cup, but I have a bad feeling we'll be disappointed and I have a small punt on Tidal Bay.

How did Paul Carberry get that run out of Monksland there? I'm sure he must have been 50/1+ in running at the last bend.

Good call with tidal bay, didnt see the race - how did sir des champs (my gold cup hope) go ?
Sir Des Champs fourth, but it was really a blanket finish and any of them could have won with luck. Ruby got a run from nowhere out of Tidal bay in the last 100 yards and was lucky enough to find a gap as well, though you could say he showed up the staying weaknesses of the others. Sir Des Champs looked to be struggling far out but looked more a stayer than Flemenstar in the way he kept on off the bridle. Flemenstar was cruising all the way to the last, where he led by a few, but emptied on the run-in. First Lieutenant looked strong all through and confirmed his price undervalued his Hennessy performance.

Ted was saying that he thought Sir Des Champs didn't look as tight as some of the other runners and I would expect him to leave that form behind next time out (Hennessy probably). Jumping has to improve but he put in a super round on good ground at Cheltenham last year so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Flemenstar just emptied in the last half furlong. It's probably a bit harsh to say he didn't stay considering he's only beaten a length but it's hard to see him winning the Gold Cup. He's still a young horse and he should see out three miles well in time but I would drop him back in trip this season and then look to step him up again when he strengthens up a bit more (similar to what Twiston-Davies did with Imperial Commander). They could ruin him by running in it this year but Gold Cup in 2014 should be on his agenda.

I don't know if Peter Casey has the sense to make that decision. He was talking some nonsense afterwards, saying they would have done better to force the pace, which is a strange conclusion to take from the fact that he was stuck for stamina after an easy tow around.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 28, 2012, 04:17:08 PM
I kind of agree with Casey,Lynch was pulling the head off Flemenstar at times to try ensure he got the trip,if he had let him bowl along he might have had a bit more energy left come the last furlong or so. :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 28, 2012, 05:12:00 PM
It's an interesting one. I posted yesterday that they should ride him as if he is going to get 3 miles but Lynch dropped him in. Maybe if he had ridden him a bit handier he might have relaxed a bit more. I'm not sure if it would have made too much difference because it's nigh on impossible to find a window to get a breather in during a Grade 1 at Leopardstown. A few judges were saying he should have held onto him a bit longer but to my eyes Lynch had to kick when he did. He looks an ideal horse for the Ryanair this season and then train him for the Gold Cup next year when he should be a stronger and more mature animal. I share Hardy's fear that connections will not do this and promising horses have been ruined by being pitched in the wrong race at Cheltenham - Beef Or Salmon & Nick Dundee spring to mind.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 29, 2012, 11:27:30 AM
Just checking the Betfair returns from yesterday - Tidal bay was quoted at 95 in running, Monksland at 80 and Back In Focus at 150!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 29, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
Connections reckon Star Neuville will perform better today (1:30 Leop) than last time out.

Also word for Dressed To The Nines (2:35 Leop). Source reliability unknown for this one, so treat with caution.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 30, 2012, 10:31:34 PM
Decent card at Punchestown tomorrow,good to see how De Bromheads you must know me runs after giving back in focus a race lto. Solwhit's back too and would be good to see if he retains much ability. In the bumper Prunella dobbs has a horse running in the same colours of our girl salley was it yourself DH that told us to chance a few bob on our girl salley a few years back at this meeting? Maybe i'm going mad!?  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on December 31, 2012, 11:15:28 AM
The pin already pulled on tomorrows Cheltenham card. Cannot remember them losing a meeting to waterlogging :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 31, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
It's a big blow for Channel 4 too. They wanted a big day to launch Claire and co.

On a related note, I can't understand how Nick Luck kept his job among the clear out. He couldn't come across as a more pretentious twat if he tried.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 31, 2012, 01:43:28 PM
I think this Jonnie Skull in the 2-00 is well in today and could go close at 9/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on December 31, 2012, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 31, 2012, 01:43:28 PM
I think this Jonnie Skull in the 2-00 is well in today and could go close at 9/1

Worth an ew at them odds. see whats it like online
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on December 31, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 31, 2012, 01:43:28 PM
I think this Jonnie Skull in the 2-00 is well in today and could go close at 9/1

good man sammy, cheers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 31, 2012, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 31, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 31, 2012, 01:43:28 PM
I think this Jonnie Skull in the 2-00 is well in today and could go close at 9/1

good man sammy, cheers.

Nice 1!  ;)

Should probably quit while I am ahead, but gonna do Cloughmile e/w in the next at Punch 20-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on December 31, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
Nice one Sammy boy :) only had a small stake, still a good return
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 31, 2012, 07:08:40 PM
It would appear Miss Prunella dobbs likes to target this meeting  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 31, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
Well done with Jonnyskull sammy, i didn't put anything on it as i'm avoiding backing allweather racing but at 9/1 i doubt you're too worried who else backed it  :P Tidy Hurling
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 03, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
Do The Bookies in the 3.25 at 8/1 looks a good each way shot, as does Golan Heights in the 4.05 at 10/1

just a small e/w double

I might have to get that stake back on Bussa at Lingers  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 05, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
Just ran the Welsh National stats:

Viking Blond    29.33
Monbeg Dude    27.29
Universal Soldier    26.93
Michel Le Bon    26.15
Across The Bay    24.06
Soll   23.87
Our Island    20.47
Master Overseer    20.46
Sona Sasta    20.27
Teaforthree    20.09
Harouet    19.45
Giles Cross    17.27
Arbor Supreme    17.06
Jadanli    17.04
Incentivise    17.04
Triggerman   16.85
Mon Mome    16.04
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 03:21:52 PM
Went to stick a score on Viking. Old card - too late to register the new one. Hope she unseats.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
Monbeg Dude    27.29 - 10-1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 05, 2013, 03:32:29 PM
Paul    ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 05, 2013, 05:42:36 PM
Carberry , you outdone yourself today my friend,so cool   8)  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 08, 2013, 09:53:14 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=65979&headline=Curley-to-retire-from-training- (http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=65979&headline=Curley-to-retire-from-training-)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on January 08, 2013, 10:21:14 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 08, 2013, 09:53:14 PM
http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=65979&headline=Curley-to-retire-from-training- (http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=65979&headline=Curley-to-retire-from-training-)

I remember my dad buying a ticket for the house he auctioned in Castletown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 09, 2013, 10:51:05 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/racing/impressive-bumper-winner-golantilla-sold-for-375000-219024.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/racing/impressive-bumper-winner-golantilla-sold-for-375000-219024.html)

Crazy money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 10, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 09, 2013, 10:51:05 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/racing/impressive-bumper-winner-golantilla-sold-for-375000-219024.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/racing/impressive-bumper-winner-golantilla-sold-for-375000-219024.html)

Crazy money.

The Transfer Window is open in the National Hunt world it appears:

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/cheltenham-festival-mcmanus-linked-to-purchase-of-supreme-favourite-jezki/1185066/top/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews (http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/cheltenham-festival-mcmanus-linked-to-purchase-of-supreme-favourite-jezki/1185066/top/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews)

He already has Jenari and Jered won the novice hurdle at Punchestown in the South Liberties hoops so no surprise that he wants to add another of the family to his collection.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 12, 2013, 01:22:49 PM
%$(*^& Tom Scudamore! Horses have their own running style - front runner, hold-up, etc., but he's the first jockey I've seen who only knows one way to race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 14, 2013, 09:14:06 PM
An absolutely fascinating insight into what the greatest ever looked for in a colt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-285hGfZkTE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-285hGfZkTE)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 25, 2013, 07:21:31 PM
Have heard word for The Tally Ho Kid in the 8 20 at Dundalk tonight. Not sure how strong the information is so go easy each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 26, 2013, 11:51:37 PM
DH what do u make of tomorrow's meeting with hurricane and binocular?  bookies have hf as big favourite and I suppose if he's back to near his best he'll smile at the rest and win easy (heard that phrase from you a while ago...lol).   
but what state is hf in?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 26, 2013, 11:58:45 PM
I would be very surprised if he doesn't win with a minimum of fuss. He was flat last year for whatever reason but there has been plenty to like about his two runs this season. Everything was against him at Punchestown and I think he had Go Native cooked at the last. He had less on his plate at Christmas and did it nicely. The meeting could be in doubt if the weather deteriorates tonight. It was bordering on unraceable today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 27, 2013, 02:05:10 PM
The Hurricane did it as he liked there. It's a hell of an ask to regain a Champion Hurdle at the age of 9 but if anything can do it, its this horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 03, 2013, 07:44:58 PM
Don Cossack is turning into a bit of a disappointment over hurdles. That race today was at his mercy and he never looked like getting past Mozoltov who is no star himself.

Gigginstown could do with Sir Des Champs winning next weekend because they have had a fairly poor time of it recently. I was looking at some of the Cheltenham entries last week and they don't have many serious chances going over considering some of the big money purchases the operation has made.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on February 03, 2013, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 03, 2013, 07:44:58 PM
Don Cossack is turning into a bit of a disappointment over hurdles. That race today was at his mercy and he never looked like getting past Mozoltov who is no star himself.

Gigginstown could do with Sir Des Champs winning next weekend because they have had a fairly poor time of it recently. I was looking at some of the Cheltenham entries last week and they don't have many serious chances going over considering some of the big money purchases the operation has made.

What do you think of Sir Des Champs chances of winning the Gold Cup Donnellys? I think he could get beat next weekend but still win the GC since he will stay and has the Cheltenham form.

I've backed Sir Des Champs to win the GC @ 10s, Darlan to win CH @ 9/2 and Golantilla to win the bumper @ 8s.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 03, 2013, 08:25:38 PM
I think he has a great chance. He never jumped with any great conviction at Christmas and I can't imagine he will be that sloppy again. I expect him to win next Saturday. Even if Flemenstar does beat him I wouldn't be too despondent. Two extra furlongs at Cheltenham will only suit one horse and it isn't Flemenstar. I would respect Bobs Worth for the Gold Cup but the lack of a prep run puts me off him.

Darlan is an interesting one. Had him down as a bit soft last year but he does look to have strengthened up over the summer. Tomorrow will be a decent examination of his claims. Golantilla falls into the could be anything category. I find it a strange decision from Barry Connell to send him to Tony Martin though and also to appoint Danny Mullins as his retained rider.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 04, 2013, 03:10:18 PM
Darlan falls at the last,doesn't look good  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on February 04, 2013, 03:29:05 PM
Racing Post have confirmed fatal fall. RIP Darlan. Hard luck to JP and AP - another fatality for the two of them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on February 04, 2013, 03:58:15 PM
Hendeson in tears after Darlan broke his neck in that fatal fall. Really think he would have won the champion hurdle, was cruising going to the last today. Had him backed ante post for the race too, aw well thats the chance you take.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 04, 2013, 04:03:08 PM
JP really has some rotten luck at times.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on February 04, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
Shocked and saddened by Darlan's demise. Was getting excited about the champion hurdle clash with Hurricane Fly. I was in the Hurricane's camp but now we'll never know.
I'd imagine the odds will tighten on the fav now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 09, 2013, 03:31:30 PM
Flemenstar looked, to me, not interested in getting stuck in there. Head in the air, he seemed to have plenty left but not willing to give it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on February 09, 2013, 04:05:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 09, 2013, 03:31:30 PM
Flemenstar looked, to me, not interested in getting stuck in there. Head in the air, he seemed to have plenty left but not willing to give it.

why did Lynch not push on after the second last? fucked up a treble i had with champagne fever and boston bob.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 09, 2013, 04:12:04 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 09, 2013, 04:05:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 09, 2013, 03:31:30 PM
Flemenstar looked, to me, not interested in getting stuck in there. Head in the air, he seemed to have plenty left but not willing to give it.

why did Lynch not push on after the second last? fucked up a treble i had with champagne fever and boston bob.

Id imagine because he is a suspect stayer, Russell knew by the bend he had to run Flemenstars petrol gauge to empty, to be fair he didnt empty like i hoped he would (backed sir des champs) but add another furlong i dont think it was going to change the result. Caseys son on now saying no to Gold cup but not his decision. Would be some race between him and Sprinter Sacre if he was let off to bowl along in front.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 09, 2013, 05:19:14 PM
There was a danger of the Champion Chase being so bereft of quality that it would amount to little more than a schooling session for Sprinter Sacre. Hopefully Flemenstar, Sizing Europe and Finian's Rainbow line up so that Srinter Sacre can earn his crown.

Can't have Silviniaco Conti for the Gold Cup and given that Bob's Worth missed the Argento with a setback, I'd rather Sir Des Champs at the prices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 10, 2013, 08:55:31 PM
Was reading a decent article there about the controversy regarding Paul Carberry's ride on Harchibald in the 2005 Champion Hurdle. I wasn't particularly into racing at the time but do any of our resident experts have any stromg views?

http://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/timeform-debate/big-meeting-memories/cheltenham-memories-hardy-fends-off-harchibald-in-champion-hurdle-050213-548.html

The evidence;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XigT5dQg8TY

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 11, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
It was a very good ride. The horse barely stayed a yard over two miles. All his best performances were on flat tracks like Newcastle and Kempton on goodish ground. Had Carberry gone for him turning in he would have been beaten a distant third. He split two Champion Hurdlers and the horse in front of him is the toughest hurdler in over thirty years to my mind.

Harchibald lost that race at the second last. He jumps it too well past Back In Front and lands on the heels of the leaders. To make matters worse Barry Cash angles Brave Inca away from Hardy Eustace and Carberry is left without cover coming down to the last. He wanted that gap at the back of the last, not before it.

That was a once in a lifetime generation of Irish hurdlers. The first five home were Irish trained.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 11, 2013, 11:55:58 PM
Flemenstar very likely to miss the festival now it seems  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 12, 2013, 12:17:20 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/2/8495270/tidal-top-weight-in-national

I'm no expert on the whole handicapping process,but how in Gods green earth can Tidal bay be set to run off 9 pounds lower than his official rating  ???
Has Phil Smith had a few bob on antepost?  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 12, 2013, 01:07:21 PM
Phil Smith is a law unto himself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 14, 2013, 09:58:49 PM
Phil smiths tinkering undone now ...Tidal bay out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 16, 2013, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on February 14, 2013, 09:58:49 PM
Phil smiths tinkering undone now ...Tidal bay out.

4th last year and off a lower mark this time round, Cappa Bleu ran a decent trial for Liverpool this afternoon. Teaforthree weakened significantly in the trial, stays at least 4 miles so something must have been awry.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 19, 2013, 09:08:17 AM
Ruby interview with Pat Keane. http://www.fatjockey.com/cheltenham-festival/featured_cheltenham_races.php?Cheltenham-Festival-2013-Ruby-Walsh-Rides-127
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 20, 2013, 01:16:02 AM
Aidan and Anne-Marie O'Brien have registered eight NH horses in recent weeks. Two of them run in the 4yo bumper at Punchestown tomorrow - Egyptian Warrior and Shield.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 20, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
That pair won't be emulating Istabraq anyway!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on February 21, 2013, 05:10:51 PM
Anyone seen any good specials lately for the festival?

Mate was telling me Powers are going 20/1 for the Fly, Quevega & Pont Alexandre to win.

I have already the Fly and Pont Alexandre backed antepost so I think I will have a couple quid on the treble as well for the craic.

Pays about 15-16/1 for the best prices anyway.

What's everyones thoughts on the best jockey? Was looking at it today, Ruby looks to have a good set of rides: Fly, Quevega, Pont Alexandre, Silviniaco Conti then the likes of Unioniste, Fago maybe? Nicholls also has the favourite for 4/5 of the handicaps, then whatever he takes from Mullins' horses.

He has the festival experience as well of course. 6/4 second favourite behind Geraghty at the minute.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on February 21, 2013, 05:21:40 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on February 21, 2013, 05:10:51 PM
Anyone seen any good specials lately for the festival?

Mate was telling me Powers are going 20/1 for the Fly, Quevega & Pont Alexandre to win.

I have already the Fly and Pont Alexandre backed antepost so I think I will have a couple quid on the treble as well for the craic.

Pays about 15-16/1 for the best prices anyway.

What's everyones thoughts on the best jockey? Was looking at it today, Ruby looks to have a good set of rides: Fly, Quevega, Pont Alexandre, Silviniaco Conti then the likes of Unioniste, Fago maybe? Nicholls also has the favourite for 4/5 of the handicaps, then whatever he takes from Mullins' horses.

He has the festival experience as well of course. 6/4 second favourite behind Geraghty at the minute.

have done a treble on the fly, jezki, and quevega, pays just under 20/1, would be sweet, but so hard to get them at cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on February 21, 2013, 05:25:40 PM
Yeah I know, you see all these trebles etc before and they look brilliant then maybe one or none of them actually win in the end.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2013, 07:26:11 PM
I really fancy the chances of Our Conor in the Triumph. It's not a race I particularly like but he looks the best chance of an Irish winner in it for years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on February 21, 2013, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2013, 07:26:11 PM
I really fancy the chances of Our Conor in the Triumph. It's not a race I particularly like but he looks the best chance of an Irish winner in it for years.

Same myself DH really impressed me at leopardstown the other week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 27, 2013, 11:03:53 AM
Our Conor getting plenty of support at the previews. Irish horses have a poor record in the race though. I think Nicholls horse will be very hard to beat in that.

Seems to be a fair bit of talk about Dynaste running in the Jewson at the UK previews.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on February 27, 2013, 01:54:32 PM
I was talking to Pipe yesterday about a couple of our horses, we are going to head to the Foxhunters with Faasel, he has been point to pointing recently and seems in great form, might run into a place behind Salsify and Chapoturgeon, during the conversation i tried to worm some info out of him about his Festival chances, blood from a stone springs to mind !

It seems they haven't made their mind up about where to send Dynaste, the stats are against him for the RSA and they are a very stat driven operation, i got the impression the Jewson was the more likely target, he did tell me that Ballinagour would be his best chance of a winner, probably in his fathers race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on February 27, 2013, 11:03:53 AM
Our Conor getting plenty of support at the previews. Irish horses have a poor record in the race though. I think Nicholls horse will be very hard to beat in that.

Richard Hughes was positively purring about him before Christmas. He was joking that Dessie should put him away for a flat campaign so that he can come over and ride him. They were adamant he was going to beat Blood Cotil on Stephen's Day but he was coughing on Christmas Eve and was declared a NR.

I'm not sure if the English form is that strong this year and our 4yos have ran considerably better in the Triumph in the last few years. Weld has had the second in the last two renewals and Countrywide Flame had his prep at Leopardstown last year when he was only third. The Irish form is quite solid this year. Diakali looked very good at Punchestown and he had no excuses when behind Our Connor. Stocktons Wing won very well at the weekend and Ruacana who was only third behind Our Connor had previously won the Grade 1 at Chepstow.

Do you know what race Gevrey Chambertin goes for homeofhurling?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 27, 2013, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on February 27, 2013, 01:54:32 PM
I was talking to Pipe yesterday about a couple of our horses, we are going to head to the Foxhunters with Faasel, he has been point to pointing recently and seems in great form, might run into a place behind Salsify and Chapoturgeon, during the conversation i tried to worm some info out of him about his Festival chances, blood from a stone springs to mind !

It seems they haven't made their mind up about where to send Dynaste, the stats are against him for the RSA and they are a very stat driven operation, i got the impression the Jewson was the more likely target, he did tell me that Ballinagour would be his best chance of a winner, probably in his fathers race.

Thanks HoH and good luck with your lad. Had Ballinagour down for the plate even after the hike gets into 10 12 with Hunt Ball top weight. Henderson said last nighta t the Glasgow Preview that if Dynaste goes for Jewson Captain Conan will head for the Arkle ...dont know it it was said in jest or not !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 27, 2013, 06:15:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on February 27, 2013, 11:03:53 AM
Our Conor getting plenty of support at the previews. Irish horses have a poor record in the race though. I think Nicholls horse will be very hard to beat in that.

Richard Hughes was positively purring about him before Christmas. He was joking that Dessie should put him away for a flat campaign so that he can come over and ride him. They were adamant he was going to beat Blood Cotil on Stephen's Day but he was coughing on Christmas Eve and was declared a NR.

I'm not sure if the English form is that strong this year and our 4yos have ran considerably better in the Triumph in the last few years. Weld has had the second in the last two renewals and Countrywide Flame had his prep at Leopardstown last year when he was only third. The Irish form is quite solid this year. Diakali looked very good at Punchestown and he had no excuses when behind Our Connor. Stocktons Wing won very well at the weekend and Ruacana who was only third behind Our Connor had previously won the Grade 1 at Chepstow.

Do you know what race Gevrey Chambertin goes for homeofhurling?

Our Conor best of the Irish alright but was impressed with Far West at Ascot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on February 27, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
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Do you know what race Gevrey Chambertin goes for homeofhurling?
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The Albert Bartlett is the plan DH.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2013, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on February 27, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
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Do you know what race Gevrey Chambertin goes for homeofhurling?
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The Albert Bartlett is the plan DH.
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Thanks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 06, 2013, 12:47:12 PM
Very quiet on here considering Cheltenham on next week. Anyone any nice ante post bets done or have fancies for the festival?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 06, 2013, 03:00:24 PM
£10 treble jezki, hurrican fly and quevega.
£20 double pont alexandre and salsify
£1 ew patent dodging bullets, houblon des obeaux (RSA) and blackmail (Champion bumper)

done the patent and double after attending the preview night in the europa. kind of regreting the treble now,but you never know. richard hoiles was very sweet on rock on ruby.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 06, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
The fourth day and extra races have spoiled a lot of the festival buzz for me. I had a quite successful period landing ante-post punts on the novice race but it's impossible now with targets still up in the air. Bookmakers' prices also seem ridiculously short on some of the races and there'll be far better value around in the mornings next week.

Our Conor at 8s is probably the best value in my ante-post portfolio at the moment. I've Sir Des Champs at 7s and a small bit of evs about the freak in the Champion Chase from before the Tingle Creek. Among my more disappointing ante-post vouchers are Puffin Billy to win any race, Waaheb for the Supreme and Pont Alexandre in the Albert Bartlett. I'm looking forward to getting stuck into the handicaps over the weekend. They're always devilishly difficult but it's the one week of the year when there can be terrific value to be had.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 06, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
Have more Antepost bets than i've ever had before,some looking good,some not so Much.

In the Supreme i backed Snake eyes before his 1st hurdles run and he's been awful and won't be anywhere near the race,also have pique sous at 20's in there who hasn't run over hurdles in months,but i still hold out hope for him running a place.

I've Hurricane fly at 11/2 for the champion hurdle.
Le vent d'antan at 12's and 17/2 for the bumper, 17/2 NRNB.
Carlito Brigante at 9's for the Novice handicap on day 1 NRNB
Defy logic 20's in the neptune before Annie Power beat him  a few weeks back :-\

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 06, 2013, 05:10:54 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 06, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
Have more Antepost bets than i've ever had before,some looking good,some not so Much.

In the Supreme i backed Snake eyes before his 1st hurdles run and he's been awful and won't be anywhere near the race,also have pique sous at 20's in there who hasn't run over hurdles in months,but i still hold out hope for him running a place.

I've Hurricane fly at 11/2 for the champion hurdle.
Le vent d'antan at 12's and 17/2 for the bumper, 17/2 NRNB.
Carlito Brigante at 9's for the Novice handicap on day 1 NRNB
Defy logic 20's in the neptune before Annie Power beat him  a few weeks back :-\

I like that one too. Hopefully the ground will be right for him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 06, 2013, 06:54:56 PM
The Hurricane is my only interest thus far. Leaning towards a few relative outsiders in Dodging Bullets for the Supreme, Get me out of here in the World hurdle and For Non Stop in the Ryanair. The panel at the Belfast preview picked out Houblon Des Odeaux for the RSA while Richard Hoilies was very sweet on Poquelin in the Byrne Group. He was also keen on one I like in the festival handicap- Fruity O'Rooney. The whole panel were in agreement on Pont Alexandre's excellent chances.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: harlechman on March 06, 2013, 11:34:51 PM
Had more ante-post bets this year than most, the best of these would be:

Champagne Fever 25/1 - Supreme
Binocular 25/1 - Champion Hurdle
Taquin Du Seuil 10/1 - Neptune
Unioniste 10/1 - RSA
Rolling Star 14/1 - Triumph

Was on Back In Focus at big prices on Betfair for the RSA but it looks like he's going for the 4 miler now.

Paddy Power did a text bet special with Sprinter, Simonsig and Bobs Worth 10/1 (enhanced from just over 7/1) so I have a few quid on that too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 07, 2013, 12:24:05 AM
The Couch was very sweet on Champagne Fever for the albert Bartlett tonight though apparently the owners favour the supreme. With its bumper pedigree, it might be more of a stayer. Strange that its in the 2 and 3 milers but not the Neptune though Mullins has that one well covered already.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: our_fella on March 07, 2013, 12:37:11 AM
Have Sprinter Sacre, Quevega and Simonsig in a big stake treble

Then Our Conor, My tent or yours & SDC in a e/w patent

Got SDC to win Hennessy & Gold Cup @ 8/1 before he beat flemenstar in Boylesports!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 07, 2013, 10:27:46 AM
Free money Corals evens about sprinter  :) £20 max but what the hell

http://www.fatjockey.com/cheltenham-festival/featured_cheltenham_races.php?Even-Money-Sprinter-Sacre-148
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on March 07, 2013, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 06, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
The fourth day and extra races have spoiled a lot of the festival buzz for me. I had a quite successful period landing ante-post punts on the novice race but it's impossible now with targets still up in the air. Bookmakers' prices also seem ridiculously short on some of the races and there'll be far better value around in the mornings next week.

Our Conor at 8s is probably the best value in my ante-post portfolio at the moment. I've Sir Des Champs at 7s and a small bit of evs about the freak in the Champion Chase from before the Tingle Creek. Among my more disappointing ante-post vouchers are Puffin Billy to win any race, Waaheb for the Supreme and Pont Alexandre in the Albert Bartlett. I'm looking forward to getting stuck into the handicaps over the weekend. They're always devilishly difficult but it's the one week of the year when there can be terrific value to be had.


I agree wholeheartedly about the dilution of the festival DH and if Eddie Gillespies successor has his way we will soon be looking at a 5 day festival including the Saturday but having said that i will still be landing in Bristol tomorrow evening giddy as a child on Christmas morning in anticipation
of the weeks festivities.

Whats your take on Hurricane Fly DH and BC ? A lot of lads seem to have him as their banker of the week whereas i cant have him at all, Willie and Paddy are ultra confident but I'm too long dealing with Willie to believe a word he tells me ;), as much as i like the man and admire him as a trainer, he was just as confident last year and told me personally 40 minutes before the Champion to "have what you like on him " of course following the defeat the stories that he was never right all year started to appear but that certainly wasn't what the team were saying before the race to their owners and it also wasn't what his time figures indicated either.

I agree Our Conor is bombproof in the triumph but the race is a graveyard for the Irish, Mullins rates Pont Alexandre as potentially the best novice he has ever sent to Cheltenham and is also very sweet on Ballycasey but again i would add the caveat that the information above came from a notoriously unreliable source, Willie himself  ;)

I'm having dinner with the Pipes over the weekend, if i can get senior tipsy enough to reveal their plans i will post them up here, i believe a Cheltenham plot went haywire with Katkeaus defeat at Kempton recently, young Scu certainly wont forget the post race "briefing" with Martin for a while anyway, leaning towards the Jewson with Dynaste when i last spoke to the team although they  reckon he will win whichever race he turns up in doing handstands !

Not much coming out of Hendersons yard in the way of solid information,as usual, but i do know that at 7/1 they rate Long Run as the each way banker of the year even allowing for the dentists foibles.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 07, 2013, 12:17:12 PM
Just got a txt from reliable source - ''If you want cheltenham money get on pull the pin today in Southwell, wont be beat''

Do what you want with it only passing on the bad luck :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 07, 2013, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on March 07, 2013, 11:43:52 AM
I agree wholeheartedly about the dilution of the festival DH and if Eddie Gillespies successor has his way we will soon be looking at a 5 day festival including the Saturday but having said that i will still be landing in Bristol tomorrow evening giddy as a child on Christmas morning in anticipation
of the weeks festivities.

Whats your take on Hurricane Fly DH and BC ? A lot of lads seem to have him as their banker of the week whereas i cant have him at all, Willie and Paddy are ultra confident but I'm too long dealing with Willie to believe a word he tells me ;), as much as i like the man and admire him as a trainer, he was just as confident last year and told me personally 40 minutes before the Champion to "have what you like on him " of course following the defeat the stories that he was never right all year started to appear but that certainly wasn't what the team were saying before the race to their owners and it also wasn't what his time figures indicated either.

I agree Our Conor is bombproof in the triumph but the race is a graveyard for the Irish, Mullins rates Pont Alexandre as potentially the best novice he has ever sent to Cheltenham and is also very sweet on Ballycasey but again i would add the caveat that the information above came from a notoriously unreliable source, Willie himself  ;)

I'm having dinner with the Pipes over the weekend, if i can get senior tipsy enough to reveal their plans i will post them up here, i believe a Cheltenham plot went haywire with Katkeaus defeat at Kempton recently, young Scu certainly wont forget the post race "briefing" with Martin for a while anyway, leaning towards the Jewson with Dynaste when i last spoke to the team although they  reckon he will win whichever race he turns up in doing handstands !

Not much coming out of Hendersons yard in the way of solid information,as usual, but i do know that at 7/1 they rate Long Run as the each way banker of the year even allowing for the dentists foibles.

I think Hurricane Fly has the most natural ability of any horse in the Champion Hurdle and I don't believe he was at his best last year. If he runs up to his best form I think he beats this lot every day of the week but whether he is back to his best is anyone's guess. He should be beating the likes of Thousand Stars, Binocular and Unaccompanied if he has serious aspirations of regaining his title. I think 2/1 is about right. You're taking a bit on trust but the opposition have plenty of question marks over them too. Rock On Ruby may have been flattered last year and is clearly no superstar on his form this season. Zarkandar lacks a gear and will struggle to lie up handy if they go any sort of gallop. All his best form is on the stiffer new course. Grandouet is talented but fragile. He'll travel as well as anything but I don't think there's a lot more too him. He looks a bit soft to my eyes.

There's a lot of short priced novices this year and I think I'll take most of them on. I'm not convinced by either of the McManus pair in the Supreme. I'd have reservations about both of them getting up the hill so I don't think they're value at very short prices. Un Atout looks a solid e/w bet. Pont Alexandre has an engine but I think he's in the wrong race. He would win the Albert Bartlett easily but I'd worry about him getting done for toe over the shorter trip. I'd have the opposite take on Dynaste. He has plenty of speed and should run in the Jewson but the Sun Alliance looks weak this year so he might be good enough anyway. I think Simonsig will win the Arkle but 4/6 about him doesn't appeal. He jumped like a goat when he was a p2p horse and I'd worry that Overturn might just force him into an error.

First Lieutenant is a horse I have always adored and I hope he goes in the Ryanair. I don't think any of the English horses will trouble him in that. He would bully the likes of Cue Card and Menorah.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on March 07, 2013, 04:28:26 PM
First Lieutenant is the banker of the meeting in the Ryanair as long as the O'Learys ignore Mouse and head there instead of the Gold cup, i know mouse has told the O'Learys that he would bet the yard on First Lieutenant beating Sir Des Champs in the Gold cup on good ground, whether he would beat Bobs Worth is another matter.

Like yourself i cant have My tent or yours in the supreme, stats all against him and i reckon the books will be out to get him like they got Darlan, Dunguib, cousin Vinnie et al.

I'm told Edeymi is Gigginstowns best chance of a winner but the trainer puts me off a big bet on him, i would fancy him in the Coral if he gets in, not so much in the Martin Pipe.

I disagree about Simonsig, i think 4/6 is very fair, the horse is a beast, if Sprinter Sacre wasn't around there would be a lot more hype around him imho.

The only thing putting me off laying Hurricane Fly for all I'm worth is the question marks surrounding the other principles in the market, if Darlan was lining up next week it would be a different story, his Champion Hurdle win in 2011 doesn't read that well now with the second and third stayers and nothing else of any note coming out of the race, maybe last year was his true level, i suppose we will know more Next Tuesday.

Anthony Bromley told a couple of our syndicate members that Nicky thinks Binocular beats Grandouet, if that's right then forget about Hendersons team, i like Rock on Ruby but is he really a double Champion hurdler ? 

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 07, 2013, 07:08:25 PM
I'm on the Hurricane myself. I'd see Zarkandar as the main threat. HF made my festival in 2011 and its how bullish Mullins is that he wasn't right last year which convinces me that 5/2 is worth a punt.

Agree on the McManus pair in the Supreme, their major form is on soft. As I said earlier in the thread, I'm leaning towards Dodging Bullets, non-bumper form at the festival which is unusual for a novice hurdler and should run well. Have most of the first day fairly clear in my head at this stage, I like a returning former champion so might plump for Sizing Australia in the cross country.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 07, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
For all that I'm against the two McManus horses, Dodging Bullets is one horse I cannot have. I think he's hugely flattered by that Kempton form. It wouldn't surprise me if Walsh doesn't even ride him especially if the heavens open over the weekend. I also heard Jezki worked up the Old Vic gallop at the Curragh earlier this week and did not impress.

Just on Simonsig, I think the horse has a fantastic engine and I expect he will win and win well but this puts me off steaming in at 4/6: http://www.p2ptv.ie/?tube=102 (http://www.p2ptv.ie/?tube=102)

I just have horrible feeling he might bulldoze through a fence at the wrong time which is game over in an Arkle. There's obviously a lot of water under the bridge since he was running in p2ps but he's yet to meet a decent animal in his two chase starts under rules.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 07, 2013, 09:43:35 PM
Dodging Bullets cruised into the last couple of furlongs of the Triumph last year but probably lacked a small bit of experience on what was only his second start over hurdles. He's won at Cheltenham this season. The Kempton run was okay but they were factors against him in that. I wouldn't judge him on that run alone. I think he lacks the ability to be top class but on fairly goodish ground in a big field with a generous pace, he'll run well. It's a strong looking Supreme this year but Dodging Bullets would be the one I'd be leaning towards for the reason that he's proven at Cheltenham and conditions will hopefully be to suit. My Tent or Yours looks special on his Betfair Hurdle form. 

Sticking with Nicholls' horses. I've not seen many horses make their way from the last to the finish line faster than Zarkandar last year. He made up seven or eight lengths on HF in the straight and with all the excuses that's been made about Hurricane Fly, people forget Zarkandar was on anitbiotics leading into last year's race. There's doubts of course the main one being if he'll be able to stick the tempo especially the downhill run before the straight where he lost the race last year. But he's won all his races this year over the minimum trip this season and is 7 out of 8 over 16f - 17f.

There's too many past Cheltenham winners in the race to be taking on the short prices about HF too. 8 horses will line up and 6 of them are past Festival winners. The other 2 Grandouet and Khyber Kim have both placed at the Festival. Be honest I didn't always like the theory that HF didn't get up the hill and to be honest I still don't but a lot of his rivals will relish the drag to the line more than him. He certainly lost ground to the horses around him after the last, last year.

I would agree DH about Simonsig. On all the evidence, he'll win comfortably but a mistake in this race is costly. He wouldn't even have to bulldoze a fence a simple mistake and as you it's game over.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 07, 2013, 10:04:55 PM
I would not put anyone off Cinders And Ashes or Countrywide Flame either.

Hardy Eustace won the Neptune in 2003, and ended going off 33/1 for the following season's CH - he won it.
Katchit won the Triumph but got beat twice the following season and his CH claims were dismissed but he went on and won it. 10/1.
Rock On Ruby flew up the hill in the 2011 Neptune - only won a handicap between that and last year's CH - 11/1.
Sublimity was a decent fourth in the Supreme - the following season he won the CH at 16/1.
Punjabi third behind Katchit won it the following season at 22/1 even though he was beaten in his two previous races.

Punters lose the plot altogether talking about runs at Kempton and Newbury and these places yet the evidence is always there at last year's Festival. Not just in the Champion Hurdle but in all races.

Cinders And Ashes and Countrywide Flame - could be a shrewd reverse forecast.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 07, 2013, 10:14:49 PM
What is the ground forecast to be? There is some amount of rain due in this neck of the woods over the next few days (and there was plenty today) Its to go go cold and dry then during next week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 07, 2013, 10:26:16 PM
You won't go wrong if you work off the assumption that it'll be good to soft or something near it, maybe good to soft, soft in places.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 07, 2013, 10:51:32 PM
http://maps.turftrax.co.uk/latestgoingreport.asp?course=Cheltenham (http://maps.turftrax.co.uk/latestgoingreport.asp?course=Cheltenham)

Don't be surprised if the cross country race is frozen off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redcard on March 08, 2013, 01:02:10 AM
Enjoying these discussions just as much as the races. Keep them coming. No doubt they will be quoted next week. Know nothing about horses myself but John joe usually gets a winner along with jp and of course the pipes. As the week goes on if they remain winless then they are worth studying more and more.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 09, 2013, 12:09:45 PM
Soft ground all over now. Don't be surprised to see some horses rerouted to different race and I expect one or two jockeys might be switching rides particularly in the novice events.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 09, 2013, 05:04:03 PM
Looked bottomless at Sandown today. Soft should play into the Hurricane's hands DH? Could imagine My Tent or Yours revelling in those conditions as well given his Newbury run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 09, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 09, 2013, 05:04:03 PM
Looked bottomless at Sandown today. Soft should play into the Hurricane's hands DH? Could imagine My Tent or Yours revelling in those conditions as well given his Newbury run.

It won't do him any harm anyway. It will definitely hinder Rock On Ruby and Grandouet.

I'm not sure if it will suit My Tent Or Yours. If he's free early on he won't get home in soft ground. It's really going to suit the stayers like Un Atout. Puffin Billy is going to be rerouted from the longer race and Walsh is going to ride Champagne Fever now instead of the Nicholls horse. The softer the ground, the better chance those horses have.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 09, 2013, 07:13:39 PM
Have been keeping a few notes for the festival which might be of use to one or two. Just press clippings of the odd horse I fancy, some tweets from Cheltenham previews and my own notes from the Belfast preview. Apologies if this is clogging up the thread but hopefully they'll be helpful to some.


Cheltenham notes

Old stager Albertas Run will be back to challenge for a third Ryanair Chase but did not exactly inspire in last weekend's racecourse gallop at Kempton.

"He's just okay," O'Neill said.

"All being well, he'll run, and he's healthy, but is he as enthusiastic?"

The other runner in the showpiece races could be the enigmatic Get Me Out Of Here, last seen when pulled up on Boxing Day.

O'Neill said: "He's in the Coral Cup and the World Hurdle, we haven't decided which way to go but I'd like to try him over three miles again and we might well go down the stayers' route."


@middlemiss99: Panel - Jezki for the majority over MTOY. Fav's have a woeful record in Sup Nov and ground and track not to MTOY liking. D Bullets ew value.

@middlemiss99: J Quinn CH Tricast - ROR, CWF & Zark. Thinks CWF is better today than at Donny and will be better again at Chelts. But reckons ROR the one.

@middlemiss99: 2 long shots put up. For Non Stop for the Ryanair and Get Me Off Here in which ever race (hcap) he turns up in. #Cheltenham

@middlemiss99: Panels best bets for the week. JQ - Silv Conti for the GC. DC - Bathwick Brave of the Cond Jock Hrdle. SQ - Aup Charlie for the Jewson.

@middlemiss99: JQ - Our Connor. NH - Revo D'estraval for the 4 Mile Hunt. RJ - Captain Connan for the Jewson and its one of there biggest laid horses too.

@KOM_GGRacing: The last horse to win the Gold Cup on the back of one run that season was Garrison Savannah in 91' for Jenny and Mark Pitman.

"We're very happy with him and he's had two very good runs at Cheltenham this year," Elliott told At The Races.

"Obviously ground is the key to him, there has to be good in it and he likes Cheltenham.

"The plan has been the novice handicap chase, we'll put cheek pieces on him, he's in good form and we're looking forward to it.

"We sent him there (Cheltenham) earlier in the season for experience and he ran a very good race against Dynaste and was upsides at the second last, but we didn't knock him around when it was obvious he would be beat.

"He's got loads of experience round there, which is important, and he seems to like it.

"We sent him to Dundalk to wake him up a bit as he's a bit of an old pet around the place now so we just wanted to open him up.

"We had him as a three-year-old. He's a Cheltenham winner so if he never did another thing he wouldn't owe us anything, but I'll be surprised if he's not in the money."

Carlito Brigante is the general 8/1 favourite for the race on March 12.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Tom Segal says you can't back MTOY @ 6/4 in Supreme
John tips MR @ 10/1
Henry gives Champagne Fever a big shout.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Tom Segal opposes Hurricane Fly and really likes Rock On Ruby.
@nickluck disagrees strongly. "Hurricane Fly will win the Champion Hurdle".

@Emmet_Kennedy: Mick Fitz and Jessica Harrington are talking up Pont Alex. Tom Segal thinks
Taquin Du Seuil is one of the best bets of the #cheltfest

@Emmet_Kennedy: Panel in agreement that Dyaste will be very hard to beat.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Davy Russell says Moyle Park doesn't run in the Champion Bumper. Goes for the Landrover. He's heard Clondaw Court is Mullins best runner.

@Emmet_Kennedy: @nickluck Likes Union Dues in the Champion Bumper. Davy Russell endorses his selection.
Doesn't rate the English challenge.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Davy Russell picks Liz Doyles
Le Vent D'Antan and says "he was not for sale for any price".

@Emmet_Kennedy: Davy Russell "No word of lie, there's no decision on First Lieutenant's race". Worked this morning under Brian Cooper.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Tom Segal – Get Me Out Of Here is a great price for the World Hurdle. A cracking each way bet. #cheltfest

@Emmet_Kennedy: Nick Luck likes Smad Place @ 20/1 for the World Hurdle and Mick Fitz agrees. Mick says "Its worrying that I agree with Nick".

@Emmet_Kennedy: Francome rates At Fishers Cross very highly in the AB. The one to beat.
Tom Segal tips African Gold.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Davy says Sir Des Champs is his best ever chance of winning a Gold Cup.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Sir Des Champ put on loads of condition, has been trained all season for this race.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Mike Cattermole can't have Long Run. Tips Bobs Worth and so does Mick Fitz.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Tom Segal thinks its a coin flip between SDC and BW.

@Emmet_Kennedy: The panel is split and its 50/50 for Sir Des Champs and Bobs Worth.
@hayleyladbrokes tips SC #GoldCup

(Tom Segal sided with SDC)

@Emmet_Kennedy: Handicap selections: Alderwood is tipped by Mike and Henry

Mick says @PFNicholls has plotted up Saphirdeu for the Fred Winter.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Jessica Harrington tips Tennis Cap who goes for the County Hurdle and her horse Bostons Angel in the Cross Country.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Tom Segal tips Donald McCains Super Duty with Derek O'Connor booked to ride.

@Emmet_Kennedy: Charity Bets
Mike - Zarkander
Henry - Sizing Europe
Mick - Dynaste
@hayleyladbrokes - Pont Alex
@nickluck - Module in the Jewson

@KOM_GGRacing: Glam Gerry will win whatever handicap he goes for at the festival. Probably the Byrne Group. He'll win.

@FrankelTheGreat: I highlighted Attaglance a while ago as a possible plot horse. It looks like the plan is working. Due to run off 133 in the Pulteney....

@FrankelTheGreat: ...yet actually won the Martin Pipe Conditional off 139 last year. Also won at Aintree off 144. He's now rated 22lbs lower over fences.

Belfast preview

Supreme

Hoiles- mtoy not value, campaigned on flat tracks.  Lay mtoy. Dodging bullets leading chance

Graham- take on all short priced favourites. Dodging Bullets, form on both ground, 6 runs over hurdles. Mtoy not been to Chelt.

Couch- not steaming into mtoy. Back Melodic Redevous.

Paddy Wilmott- favourite short. dodging Bullets gave 7 lb to river maigue in november. Bullets improved horse- looks the value. Take on mtoy.

Gordon Elliott - mozoltov e / w

Gary o'Brien - medolic

Arkle

Couch- Simonsig- work is top notch,   will outstay Overturn. Not having Oscars Well. Arvika too slow. Overturn and simonsig miles ahead. Simonsig will win. Gary agrees.

Gordon- Overturn flying. Might set race up for Simonsig. Think Simonsig has too much. Arvika won't go, conan no chance, top 2.

Paddy wilmott- 4/5 favourite a steal, should be 1/2, absolute certainty. 4/5 a gift

Richard Hoiles- Overturn has had everything his own way. Arvika may take him on. Simonsig the winner.

Brian Graham- Irish don't have too much to offer. Overturn will get closer to simonsig than people think. Overturn more value

Champion Hurdle

Richard Hoilies- RoR hasn't got the credit he deserves. Should stick with him. Hurricane no value. Zarkandar a stayer, would prefer new course. No frontrunner. Ruby will ride HF closer. Grandeout very delicate.

Brian Graham- top price Hurricane. Hard to knock Hurricane. Can only beat what's in front of him. 2 runs at chelt were 5 or 6 lbs behind his best. Likes Zarkandar, more value

Paddy Wilmott- Hurricane hard to price- about 2/1.    Never travelling last year. Good chance but no bet race. Zarkandar a stayer, wants softer ground. RoR not the same horse he was last year. Grandeout- poor preparation. Binocular needs good ground.

Gordon- Hurricane not getting younger. Might struggle. Cinders and Ashes if ground dries. No bet.

Gary- grandeout might be one.

Couch- Grandeout- form very good. RoR not same horse. Grandeout will beat Zarkandar. Go for grandeout.

Neptune

Gordon- rate Pont Alexandre very highly, as good a novice as I've seen in a long time. Pont needs to do something stupid to get beat. Mouse's horse will chase him home. Gary agrees.

Paddy- 5/2 a good price for Pont alexandre. Likely to start 6/4. Willie rates this higher than Mikael 5 and fiveforthree. Favourite hard to beat

Richard- McCoy riding Taquin De soiul. The New One, possibly too many races- tough prep.

Couch- Pont alexandre, nap of the week. Aeroplane. Can't have The New One. Rule the world follows Pont home. Pont could go off 5/4. Mullins great record.

Brian Graham- stronger race than people give it credit for. Rule the World e/w.

RSA

Paddy- dynaste done nothing wrong but ground a worry if it dries up. RSA usually won by a real stayer. Fletham winners bad record. Lyreen Legend may stay well, thinks he'll reverse form with Boston Bob.  Houblon may stay on. Don't fancy Boston Bob.

Richard Hoilies- Dynaste beaten a long way out in world hurdle last year, may go backwards during the season. Boston Bob may want 4 miles. Houblon, good chances. Hadrian's Approach has a chance- big prices.

Couch- on Houblon Des Obeaux (3 on that)- running over wrong trips, massively overpriced. Can't have dynaste. Don't think irish novice chasers very good.

Gordon- Boston bob or back in focus- either wins 4 miler. Drynaste or unionste.

Champion Chase

Couch- SS, 7/2 by over 15 lengths. Barry will push him out to win, could be 15 lengths.

Richard - possibly somersby e/w may be ridden for second

Brian- SS, wishfull thinking w/o ss

Bumper

Gary- Golantilla didn't work well yesterday. Blackmail did work well.

Gordon- tipped Blackmail, needs good ground. Few quid e/w. Geraghty on Blackmail

Paddy- likes Blackmail. Smashing each way value. Golantilla negative to change stables during season. Regal encore from england.

Richard- not emperical. Johnny Og. Haven't seen a good bumper horse

Couch- clondaw court non runner. Blackmail. Blackmail one to back, will shorten.

Ronan Graham- Union Dubh.

World Hurdle

Gordon- very trappy, ground dries- oscar has a good chance.

Paddy- geraghty thought oscar didn't travel well in cleeve. Reve de Sivola needs soft ground. Upset here- Smad Place and Trustan Times each way. Smad Place bet of the week each way.

Richard- biggest ante post position, 4/1 nrnb quevega. Bet to nothing. Smad Place e/w. Front of the market vulnerable.

Couch- oscar best horse in the race. Couldn't back Smad Place, two terrible runs this season. Can't have monksland.

Ronan Graham- Quevega, why not go? Oscar doesn't stay. Reve de sivola may drift on the day. JP's boys have had a few quid each way on get me out of here.

Triumph

Ronan- our conor worthy favourite but looking to take on. Keep far west onside

Couch- not certain our conor gets home. Great race for favourites. Far west or rolling star. Going for rolling star.

Gordon- our Conor

Paddy- our conor mightn't stay. Far West needs it soft. Rolling star good horse.

Richard- since Fred Winter, 7 of 8 winners in front 3 in the market. Rolling Star right profile.

Gold Cup

Richard- average renewal last year. Last year's novices will hold sway. Young horses. First lieutenant didn't stay, ride in Hennessey was too aggressive. If he was there, overpriced. Sir Des champs jumping not the same since Punchestown. FL at the price. Bob's worth missed his prep. Gary agrees.

Paddy- worries SDC might make mistakes if taken out of comfort zone, will have to jump better. Doubts over Jewson form. Pass SDC over. Like Bob's Worth. Open race. Silvanco Conti no form at cheltenham. Why didn't he run in last year's RSA? Can't have Long run. Back bobs worth if had to.

Gordon- Willie's training SDC for one race but jumping not as good. Captain chris each way. Wouldn't worry about Bob's Worth not getting his prep.

Couch- Big Bob's Worth fan. First Lieutenant's stamina gave out in hennessey, won't get home in gold cup. Worked with Binocular, great bit of work. Massive chance. Captain chris- no. Silviniaco Conti- flat track horse, can't have him. Two horse race. Sticking with bob's worth

Ronan Graham- against SDC. Bob's Worth is bomb proof. Maybe Imperial Commander or Giant Bolster. Think Bob's Worth should be 6/4. Class horse in the race.

Jewson, Ryanair

Couch- Jewson- keen on captain conan, good work with simonsig, fancy him.

Paddy- captain conan good chance. Module- good word for him.

Richard- list of 5 for handicaps, poquelin in byrne plate 33s. Needs ground, dropped 11 pounds. Definitely shorter on day. Good mark. Biggest value. Fruity O'rooney 16s. Battle group pulney land if gets in 33s

Knockara Beau- pertemps. Placed off higher mark few years ago.

Petit Zig- fred winter.

Paddy- salsify, foxhunters, one of the bets of the meeting. Good thing. Also fruity o'rooney in jlt. Mary king in 4 miler. Inis Island. Green Belt Elite- 25s, couple of races. Pendel, one of Jps.

Gordon- struggle to get fancied ones in. Carlito good chance. Toner each way (not that keen). Bon Island if get into martin Pipe. Salsify. Counsel.

Gary echos Salisfy. Alderwood last race of meeting.

Couch- Novice handicap- druids nephew.

Ronan- mtoy bismarck. Uncle Junior for cross country, big chance. Bob's worth nap.

Gary- ballycasey, bad bet in albert bartlett.

Top jockey

Richard- geraghty good bet top jockey 5/4

Gordon- townend 50s 66s

Paddy- first lieutenant wins ryanair if he runs. Guaranteed first 3. Cracking bet. Couch agrees.

Shayen

Best Bets

Richard-  poquelin 33s byrne group, if ground no worse than good to soft. 155 good mark.

Paddy- simonsig and salsify double smad pace.

Gordon- pont alexandre pick of week. Bon island

Gary- back in focus 4 mile.

Couch- pont alexandre

Ronan- bob's worth certainty for gold cup. Nap- champagne fever.

Betfair preview

Nicholls very confident about Far West on the triumph but even more sweet on Sam winner in pertemps who has a great mark

Couch very sweet on Champagne Fever in the Albert Bartlett but nrnb as owner may insist it goes to the supreme.

Sandown Preview

@claimsfive: McCoy says the ground is not a negative for My Tent Or Yours in the Supreme but says it will be good news for Champagne Fever

@claimsfive: Ruby Walsh will ride Champagne Fever in the Supreme, says Paul Nicholls. His own Dodging Bullets "worked great" this morning

@claimsfive: Henderson says his only concern re My Tent is the final hill, "different to anything he's done before"

@claimsfive: Henderson is pressed + pressed by Nick Luck to express a preference for one of his in the Champion. Eventually goes for Binocular...

@claimsfive: McCoy puts in a good word for Goulanes in RSA because he stays so well. "This race will be won by an out-and-out stayer"

@claimsfive: Henderson says Riverside Theatre didn't win the Ryanair last year, Barry Geraghty did. But hopes RT is back to his best for this year's race

@claimsfive: Nicholls says Ruby Walsh has committed to Wonderful Charm in the World Hurdle. Reports RW told him Quevega won't run

@claimsfive: McCoy says Get Me Out Of Here would have had a chance in the World on good but doesn't fancy him on soft. Solwhit the value, he says

@claimsfive: Henderson says he's "not particularly" looking forward to Oscar Whisky this week. Drier ground would have helped "close the gap" on RDS

@claimsfive: McCoy on Triumph: "The top 3 look head and shoulders above the rest. If I had to pick one, Far West"

@claimsfive: Henderson on Sir Des Champs: "Watching him in Ireland, I did think his jumping was a bit slipshod". Thinks he wants better ground

@claimsfive: McCoy says Sir Des Champs a better horse on better ground, which is why First Lieutenant might yet run in the Gold Cup

@claimsfive: Nicholls says Irish horses have "a fair bit to do" in Gold Cup, from Tidal Bay / Bobs Worth form

@claimsfive: Paul Nicholls reports Ruby Walsh "very sweet" on Saphir Du Rheu. His best bet is Sam Winner in the Pertemps

@claimsfive: Andy Stewart best bet: Saphir Du Rheu in the Fred Winter, £500 win

@claimsfive: McCoy says Alfie Sherrin needs a decent surface + may not run this week, the owner told him today

@claimsfive: Henderson best bet: Rolling Star in the Triumph. Handicapper: Ma Filleule in the Martin Pipe. Not definite to make the cut yet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 09, 2013, 11:32:36 PM
Champagne Fever. I can't quite work this out. The Morning Line were doing a piece from Mullins' yard this morning which was recorded about a week and a half ago (first clip shown last week). When it came to Champagne Fever, there was no quote from Willie, just a VoiceOver from channel 4 stating that he goes for the Supreme. Suggests to me that the piece they had done with Mullins was on the basis of CF running in the Albert Bartlett. He ran over 2m 2 and 2m 4 in his last couple of runs so clearly there was a plan at some stage to step him up in trip. This seems like the owner making a decision over Willie's head (no entry in Neptune). We know the form of these bumper horses in the supreme is dodgy (dunguib and cue card) so why is Ruby riding Champagne Fever, the 6th favourite when he also has the option of the 3rd or 4th favourite. Strange.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2013, 12:45:56 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 09, 2013, 11:32:36 PM
Champagne Fever. I can't quite work this out. The Morning Line were doing a piece from Mullins' yard this morning which was recorded about a week and a half ago (first clip shown last week). When it came to Champagne Fever, there was no quote from Willie, just a VoiceOver from channel 4 stating that he goes for the Supreme. Suggests to me that the piece they had done with Mullins was on the basis of CF running in the Albert Bartlett. He ran over 2m 2 and 2m 4 in his last couple of runs so clearly there was a plan at some stage to step him up in trip. This seems like the owner making a decision over Willie's head (no entry in Neptune). We know the form of these bumper horses in the supreme is dodgy (dunguib and cue card) so why is Ruby riding Champagne Fever, the 6th favourite when he also has the option of the 3rd or 4th favourite. Strange.

I think they've made the right choice. There's no doubt he's a horse who will be a staying chaser in the long term but this race is always a stamina test and there will be a further premium on stamina this year in the likely ground. In the last fifteen years, three future Gold Cup winners have finished second in it (Best Mate, Kicking King and War Of Attrition). Sprinter Sacre got beaten in it when Al Ferof outstayed them all and so did Binocular when Captain Cee Bee saw the trip out strongly. The winner of this race has to stay well and few will be staying on better at the end then Champagne Fever. He's not my idea of a bet in it but he has form that gives him a chance. He gamely won the bumper last year so we know he handles the track. He then went on to beat Melodic Rendezvous at Punchestown and a lot of people are talking him up as a big player here. He doesn't have a great deal of ground to make up on Jezki from the Royal Bond either and I don't think that race was run to suit.

Russell was always going to ride Un Atout so Walsh had a straight choice with Dodging Bullets. I could be totally wrong but I have a hunch that he's a soft horse. He was frustrating on the flat for Kevin Prendergast and the form of last year's Triumph Hurdle is fairly worthless. I'll be shocked if he wins on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 10, 2013, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2013, 12:45:56 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 09, 2013, 11:32:36 PM
Champagne Fever. I can't quite work this out. The Morning Line were doing a piece from Mullins' yard this morning which was recorded about a week and a half ago (first clip shown last week). When it came to Champagne Fever, there was no quote from Willie, just a VoiceOver from channel 4 stating that he goes for the Supreme. Suggests to me that the piece they had done with Mullins was on the basis of CF running in the Albert Bartlett. He ran over 2m 2 and 2m 4 in his last couple of runs so clearly there was a plan at some stage to step him up in trip. This seems like the owner making a decision over Willie's head (no entry in Neptune). We know the form of these bumper horses in the supreme is dodgy (dunguib and cue card) so why is Ruby riding Champagne Fever, the 6th favourite when he also has the option of the 3rd or 4th favourite. Strange.

I think they've made the right choice. There's no doubt he's a horse who will be a staying chaser in the long term but this race is always a stamina test and there will be a further premium on stamina this year in the likely ground. In the last fifteen years, three future Gold Cup winners have finished second in it (Best Mate, Kicking King and War Of Attrition). Sprinter Sacre got beaten in it when Al Ferof outstayed them all and so did Binocular when Captain Cee Bee saw the trip out strongly. The winner of this race has to stay well and few will be staying on better at the end then Champagne Fever. He's not my idea of a bet in it but he has form that gives him a chance. He gamely won the bumper last year so we know he handles the track. He then went on to beat Melodic Rendezvous at Punchestown and a lot of people are talking him up as a big player here. He doesn't have a great deal of ground to make up on Jezki from the Royal Bond either and I don't think that race was run to suit.

Russell was always going to ride Un Atout so Walsh had a straight choice with Dodging Bullets. I could be totally wrong but I have a hunch that he's a soft horse. He was frustrating on the flat for Kevin Prendergast and the form of last year's Triumph Hurdle is fairly worthless. I'll be shocked if he wins on Tuesday.

Forgot Un Atout was Gigginstown. Still tempted by Dodging Bullets, should handle the ground and the two he beat home at Christmas aren't absolute no hopers in the Champion.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 10, 2013, 11:22:34 AM
DH or anyone else - What do any of you make to Bog Warrior in the world hurdle ? Could you see him being the sort that could gallop away in that race and put a good few in the red after 2 and half miles ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 10, 2013, 12:05:02 PM
He's one that interests me maddog. Clearly hurdling has very much been a last resort as he didn't run over timber between winning his maiden and falling at Down Royal in November. If its soft, that's a negative for Oscar whiskey so Reve De Sivola sets the standard. RDS has solid form this year but I don't think it takes a massive leap of faith to suggest that there could be one better in a feature grade one at the festival. I fancied Get Me Out of Here but McCoy advises that he can't do it on soft. So if Bog Warrior is a confirmed runner Thursday morning and the ground is living up to his name, I suspect I'll have a bit each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 10, 2013, 01:14:53 PM
Only one race in Bog Warrior's career where he hasn't either won or fallen.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2013, 05:57:51 PM
I like Bog Warrior. The yard is obviously in good form and the switch back to hurdling seems to have made a man of him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 11, 2013, 10:31:42 AM
Great selection of enhanced favourites with Ladbrokes until 11am. Includes 9/4 Pont Alexandre and evens on Quevega.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 11, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
The soft going has meant i've had to revise my selections. For the first time i've not bothered with ante post bets as i've been stung too many times.

1.30 Taking on the fav. with Un Atout, should be thereabouts and hopefully can stay on up the hill to win

2.05 Was all set to back overturn but the soft going has changed my mind. Simonsig should win

2.40 Like the look of Fruity O'Rooney and Merry King. Was all set for the former but now that Merry King has plumped for this race over the 4 miler it has brought too many doubts to mind. Might opt for both

3.20 I am a huge fan of Hurricane Fly and with a much smoother prep this year i fully expect him to win

4.00 A real puzzle. can't have last year's winner on soft ground. Looking at Outlaw Pete and Bostons Angel, will opt for one when i get another look at the form.

4.40 Quevega

5.15 Haven't even looked at the race and will only have a bet if i'm in profit for the day.

If anyone can pick holes in my selections, please do, there is always some info overlooked.

Can't wait for the festival to start. It would be nice to make some profit for a change though! Haven't made more than beer money profit since the 4th day was added.

Let battle commence..................
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Atticus_Finch on March 11, 2013, 10:26:07 PM
I'll give the kiss of death to the following horses tomorrow:

1.30 - CHAMPAGNE FEVER
2.05 - SIMONSIG
2.40 - PETE THE FEAT
3.20 - BINOCULAR
4.00 - UNCLE JUNIOR
4.40 - PRIMA PORTA
5.15 - VULCANITE
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2013, 08:32:10 AM
I've lost a fair bit if interest in the racing these days, but if I was still at it:

1.30: Dodging Bullets
2.05: Simonsig
2.40: Loch Ba
3.20: Hurricane Fly
4:00 Big Shu
4.40: Quevaga
5.15: Carlito Brigante
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2013, 08:43:08 AM
The ground under them frost covers always turns very tacky. Focus on the proven stayers with form in holding ground.

Best of luck for the week gents. Here's hoping it's a good one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Punter on March 12, 2013, 09:03:30 AM
Free to enter Cheltenham Festival tipping competition: 200e Prize

http://sportsnewsireland.com/racing/racing_irish/free-to-enter-cheltenham-festival-tipping-competition-200e-prize-2013-03-11/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 12, 2013, 10:54:08 AM
first race delayed by half an hour, cross country now on last, if at all, further inspection this afternoon.

JEZKI
SIMONSIG
FRUITY O,ROONEY
HURRICAN FLY
QUEVEGA
CARLITO BRIGANTE
ARABELLA BOY
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 12, 2013, 11:49:34 AM
Champagne Fever in the first.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 12, 2013, 11:55:14 AM
Im glad im watching it in some convivial tavern rather than going to it. Would feckin cut you in two here at the minute.
Hope the fly makes my day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 12, 2013, 01:01:49 PM
Paul Carberry riding saddlers storm for Tony Martin in the cross country,has a 6 pound pull with uncle junior for a 4 length beating at punchestown to uncle junior who out stayed him that day,the 6 pound pull and the shorter trip would have the 2 of them closely matched in my eyes yet UJ is about 8's and Carberrys mount Saddlers storm is 14's. Think i'll have a fiver e/w for an interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: FermGael on March 12, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
Good start. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Abble on March 12, 2013, 02:19:33 PM
what way does the chelthenham placepot work today now that a race is scratched, will the selection be voided on the slip ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 12, 2013, 02:23:24 PM
The placepot is now the first 5 races only, according to Sean Graham.

Expected mtoy to find one too good, but chose the wrong mullins horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 12, 2013, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: harlechman on March 06, 2013, 11:34:51 PM
Had more ante-post bets this year than most, the best of these would be:

Champagne Fever 25/1 - Supreme
Binocular 25/1 - Champion Hurdle
Taquin Du Seuil 10/1 - Neptune
Unioniste 10/1 - RSA
Rolling Star 14/1 - Triumph

Was on Back In Focus at big prices on Betfair for the RSA but it looks like he's going for the 4 miler now.

Paddy Power did a text bet special with Sprinter, Simonsig and Bobs Worth 10/1 (enhanced from just over 7/1) so I have a few quid on that too.

Off to a flying start there. Celebrating here, too, but only at 13/2.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 12, 2013, 02:38:45 PM
Now that's a nice ante post bet Harlechman,fair play
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 12, 2013, 02:41:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFKfT2PCQAEJGZ8.jpg:large)

Gwan de Ruby
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2013, 02:55:48 PM
Mate in work has first two up!! Our Mick my bring him back down to earth..... I hope :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 12, 2013, 03:34:44 PM
First two up too and the place on White Star Line - great run.

Nail the colours time. Plunged on the Fly at Betfair 3.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: manballandall on March 12, 2013, 03:40:11 PM
Mate you say MR2 ?.......Flyer and Quevega to round off a good day....hopefully
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 12, 2013, 04:05:08 PM
Some performance from Ruby and the Fly -
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 12, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
Wow - looked dodgy mid race - drifted to 8 in running. Great performance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 12, 2013, 04:10:06 PM
Ruby off to a flyer! 2 brilliant rides and wins today so far
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 12, 2013, 04:14:14 PM
Another happy Donegal man!!
@murphm95 Michael Murphy 1 min
Ruby Walsh you little beauty!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFK0eJfCcAATDdU.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 12, 2013, 04:33:52 PM
Hurricane Fly, you beauty. Thank you for saving my Festival. i waded in with most of my week's budget. Was shaking like a leaf watching that.

Now, Quevega for leg 3 of a 4 timer[sprinter sacre to come]
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 12, 2013, 04:45:30 PM
Christ Almighty!

(Edit: I mean Quevega's win)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 12, 2013, 04:48:18 PM
Quevega really is a freak of a girl!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 12, 2013, 04:56:17 PM
Always great to watch someone at the top of their profession showing the world the full range of their skills. Hats off to Ruby and Mullins
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: FermGael on March 12, 2013, 05:08:18 PM
Fantastic start to the week  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 13, 2013, 12:15:00 AM
Great show on channel four lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2013, 12:50:27 AM
I'm absolutely delighted for Hurricane Fly.

There has been so much bollocks written and talked about this horse across the water - he doesn't like Cheltenham, he only beats the same horses in Ireland, he needs cut in the ground, Montjeus don't get up the hill, the Champion Hurdle he won was a poor renewal etc. All the doubters were well and truly put in their place today. Everything went wrong for that horse during the race. He was off it all the way down the back and yet he still arrived there at the second last pulling a roller, pinged the last and stuck his little neck out up the hill to the line. Magic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 13, 2013, 11:07:23 AM
Was some performance alright, i must admit i doubted him myself but boy oh boy is he a fighter. As Ruby said he has a massive Heart and he needed it yesterday. Was a great feeling to see him come up the hill and make all the doubters including myself eat humble pie, he can fairly go through the gears when right. Gwan the Fly
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on March 13, 2013, 11:11:30 AM
Pont Alexandre
Back in Focus             11/1
Sprinter Sacre

Special treble with Sean Grahams 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 13, 2013, 11:15:54 AM
Lads.

I need to buy a new telly - 62ft screen, surround sound, state of the art, 3D, etc.

I have €100 here - can someone post some sure fire tips to bring my 100 lids up to 500.

Thanking you in advance  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2013, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 13, 2013, 11:15:54 AM
Lads.

I need to buy a new telly - 62ft screen, surround sound, state of the art, 3D, etc.

I have €100 here - can someone post some sure fire tips to bring my 100 lids up to 500.

Thanking you in advance  :)

You could keep backing Sprinter Sacre at 2/7, SS. Compound interest at 28%. You won't get it from any bank or investment fund, but it'll take you a couple of years to get t0 €500.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 13, 2013, 11:42:42 AM
Watched Hurricane Fly's race several times last night and it just keeps getting better. DH summed it up well earlier.

Back in focus
pint alexandre
lord windermere [ew]
sprinter sacre [ to complete a 4 timer]
pendra
habesh [ ew]

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 13, 2013, 11:57:08 AM
Would be some training performance if Willie could get Fiveforthree up in the coral cup
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 13, 2013, 12:14:04 PM
BACK IN FOCUS
PONT ALEXANDRE
HOUBLON DES OBEAUX
SPRINTER SACRE
ERICHT
PTIT ZIG
BLACKMAIL
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 13, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
the Champion Bumper is a minefield - liking the look of The Liquidator though  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 13, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
Tofino bay to strike in the first.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2013, 12:59:02 PM
Hope you're right The worker.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 13, 2013, 01:15:57 PM
Got a wee text about 'Rule the World' in the 14.05  ;)

*leaves office to put the childrens' college fund on the nose*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: EC Unique on March 13, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 13, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
Tofino bay to strike in the first.

Stick to the goals galore ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 13, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
Unlucky nina! E/w but could have been a lot better.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: EC Unique on March 13, 2013, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 13, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
Unlucky nina! E/w but could have been a lot better.

Was unlucky to be fair. The faller cost her.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ballinaman on March 13, 2013, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 13, 2013, 01:15:57 PM
Got a wee text about 'Rule the World' in the 14.05  ;)

*leaves office to put the childrens' college fund on the nose*
Put a tenner E/W there on him due to your confidence  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 13, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
Can't look past pont Alexandre myself!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 13, 2013, 02:00:38 PM
Class told in the end, Back in Focus finishes his races so strongly. Future National winner?

Everything going to plan so far, just waiting for the wheels to come off now.............
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2013, 02:01:49 PM
Forecast Pont Alexandre, Rule The World.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2013, 02:11:27 PM
Ah well, we couldn't go on just printing money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 13, 2013, 02:38:54 PM
fancy the Houblon Des Obeaux to put in a solid run here but this one is a wide open race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: EC Unique on March 13, 2013, 02:41:30 PM
Unionste..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ballinaman on March 13, 2013, 02:52:56 PM
Lyreen Legend wearing Green and Red comes second, well I'm glad I saw that coming with E/W   :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 13, 2013, 02:53:51 PM
Boston bob seemed to have that one wrapped up, just not meant to be.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2013, 02:57:58 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 13, 2013, 02:52:56 PM
Lyreen Legend wearing Green and Red comes second, well I'm glad I saw that coming with E/W   :P

Same here. Good performance from the winner, though. Great for Jim Culloty to get in among the Mullinses, |Hendersons, etc. in the winners' enclosure.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 13, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
Took the head staggers and had silly money on Pont Alexandre. Broke one of my own rules, don't go mad on novices ! Ouch.
Luckily i got it back thanks to Lord Windermere. I am still annoyed with myself though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 13, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
TV fund has a profit of €72.50 at the moment thanks to Lord Windy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ballinaman on March 13, 2013, 03:14:35 PM
Hoping for a miracle here with Sizing Europe....hon the deise
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 13, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 13, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
Took the head staggers and had silly money on Pont Alexandre. Broke one of my own rules, don't go mad on novices ! Ouch.
Luckily i got it back thanks to Lord Windermere. I am still annoyed with myself though.

pont a screwed me bigtime, had it in treble with the fly and back in focus, greedy bastard.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: wildrover on March 13, 2013, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 13, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 13, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
Took the head staggers and had silly money on Pont Alexandre. Broke one of my own rules, don't go mad on novices ! Ouch.
Luckily i got it back thanks to Lord Windermere. I am still annoyed with myself though.

pont a screwed me bigtime, had it in treble with the fly and back in focus, greedy b**tard.

I Bet Mayo's recovering full-back Cafferky is glad for you...He'd be partial to a bit of revenge!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: NAG1 on March 13, 2013, 03:25:28 PM
SS home in a boat
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 13, 2013, 03:37:16 PM
Quote from: wildrover on March 13, 2013, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 13, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 13, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
Took the head staggers and had silly money on Pont Alexandre. Broke one of my own rules, don't go mad on novices ! Ouch.
Luckily i got it back thanks to Lord Windermere. I am still annoyed with myself though.

pont a screwed me bigtime, had it in treble with the fly and back in focus, greedy b**tard.

I Bet Mayo's recovering full-back Cafferky is glad for you...He'd be partial to a bit of revenge!
[/quote

no doubt its made his day.  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2013, 03:45:09 PM
Going e.w on Master Of The Sea and Ericht next.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: EC Unique on March 13, 2013, 03:45:56 PM
Anyone fancy Abby Lane? I need a winner here :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 13, 2013, 05:27:32 PM
Sick now after that, walked into the bookies was going to do a horse, got talking and was late for work< ruby sluices up on a 25/1 shot, was worth a fiver ew with mullins team flying.shite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 13, 2013, 06:37:50 PM
Nicked a bit of 20s about Texas Jack for the Jewson immediately after the RSA. Finished in a line at Leopardstown with Boston Bob and the first and second home in the RSA. Should hopefully outrun that price, generally 10s this evening.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2013, 06:40:49 PM
Was just going to say something similar,only got 11's myself but hoping he goes close,the form from his last race looks good after today.Hoping Carberry's fit to ride!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on March 13, 2013, 06:49:45 PM
Pont Alexandre cost me a sizable treble! :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 13, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
Whta happened Carberry today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 13, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
Whta happened Carberry today?

Fell off Maes choice in the Mares race yday,dunno how badly hurt he was   but he wasn't available for his rides today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2013, 07:50:09 PM
(http://cache.tcm.ie/media/images/s/SprinterSacreBarryGeraghty_large.jpg)

The greatest I have seen in the flesh. Simply majestic.

I can't wait to see him at Punchestown next month.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 13, 2013, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 13, 2013, 06:37:50 PM
Nicked a bit of 20s about Texas Jack for the Jewson immediately after the RSA. Finished in a line at Leopardstown with Boston Bob and the first and second home in the RSA. Should hopefully outrun that price, generally 10s this evening.

Think he has an excellent chance too.

Has the ground gone against Bog warrior? Is First Lieutenant in the wrong race? Not convinced by him over this shorter trip; Swaying towards Champion Court
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 13, 2013, 10:57:16 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 13, 2013, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 13, 2013, 06:37:50 PM
Nicked a bit of 20s about Texas Jack for the Jewson immediately after the RSA. Finished in a line at Leopardstown with Boston Bob and the first and second home in the RSA. Should hopefully outrun that price, generally 10s this evening.

Think he has an excellent chance too.

Has the ground gone against Bog warrior? Is First Lieutenant in the wrong race? Not convinced by him over this shorter trip; Swaying towards Champion Court

I like Get Me Out Of Here and For Non Stop at each way prices in the big two tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2013, 12:12:12 PM
Any fancies today lads? Haven't had a bet so far and I'm going to run out to my firendly Bambury's at lunch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Onlooker on March 14, 2013, 12:21:40 PM
First Lieutenant for me and an each way chance for Bog Warrior.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 14, 2013, 12:27:12 PM
I think the ground has gone against Bog Warrior. Nichols was fairly bullish on the preview circuit about how well handicapped Sam Winner is for the pertemps.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 14, 2013, 12:32:51 PM
I fancy Dynaste in a big way. No great insight there - he's roaring favourite. Texas Jack's chances got a great boost from yesterday's RSA outcome, but I watched a clatter of videos last night and I think Dynaste is a class above everything else in the race, plus he's proved he can handle the track. Banker of the day for me. Saver on Texas Jack.

I've swung round to Oscar Whisky in the World Hurdle, with the improving conditions. Again, he's the class in the race, has the course form and he performs in all sorts of ground.

Handicap mark aside, I can't understand the optimism of the Nicholls yard for Sam Winner. I don't know what he's doing at home, but he hasn't done anything on a racecourse to suggest he can go anywhere near getting this trip. That said, I can't suggest the winner of this.

I've done a small e.w. yankee for fun, mostly trading on Mullins's form - Marito, So Young, Hunt Ball, Vesper Bell.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 14, 2013, 01:36:43 PM
Tony Martin  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 14, 2013, 05:15:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 14, 2013, 04:36:47 PM
Anyone seen a winner since Tuesday?

f**king carnage going on with these horses this week, bookies cleaning up... getting away with places on lucky 15s but generally this has been lottery stuff - had a couple e/w trebles let down by one horse twice this week which would have netted a nice few bob but generally about 25% down so far this week

tomorrow wont get much better either!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 14, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
Two good days for me - not hard with a lot of fancied horses winning - but most of it given back today. Hoping for Arabella Boy to get me out. I'd say that's the situation with many. The wrong horses all won today. Though there was every reason to fancy Solwhit and I even made a case to myself this morning that First Lieutenant couldn't win and Cue Card was the one. But I didn't back him. Can I tell you why? No.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 14, 2013, 05:33:30 PM
I went through the cards last night and there was not one race that I could even create a shortlist of three for. Super competitive and full of question marks throughout. Still I was stupid enough to back a few. Never going to win.

Silvianico Conte tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 14, 2013, 06:11:35 PM
After a great Tuesday and a few winners yesterday i am back to square one, have the same money left as i started out with.

Hardy, picking horses then not bothering is the bane of my punting life. In the world hurdle i decided Bog Warrior wouldn't win on that ground, and wrote Solwhit on the docket. By the time i got to the front of the queue i decided it is silly to change my mind, and reverted to my original choice. Felt sick afterwards.

Thursday always seems to be a bad day for most.

There's always tomorrow with Our Conor, At Fishers cross and Satisfy all with great chances. Really can't decide on the Gold Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 14, 2013, 06:14:54 PM
amateur jockey jt mcnamara airlifted to hospital with serious head injuries after a fall from galaxy rock in the 4.40 @ cheltenham. puts it all into perspective.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2013, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 14, 2013, 06:14:54 PM
amateur jockey jt mcnamara airlifted to hospital with serious head injuries after a fall from galaxy rock in the 4.40 @ cheltenham. puts it all into perspective.

John Thomas was conscious after the fall but he had difficulty breathing and was put in an induced coma. Further update from Dr Adrian McGoldrick at approx 9 o'clock from Bristol Hospital.

(http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20120314/14/1631061851-horse-racing-2012-cheltenham-festival-day-cheltenham-racecourse.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 14, 2013, 08:28:21 PM
The news about JT puts everything in perspective. Those jockeys are the bravest of brave. It's easy to forget sometimes just exactly what those jockeys risk every day. Pray that jt will be fine
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 14, 2013, 08:35:25 PM
Get well soon. Hoping for good news soon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2013, 09:18:22 PM
It's a serious neck injury which unfortunately is not good news.

Here's hoping for a speedy and successful recovery for John Thomas. He's one of the finest horsemen I've ever seen and more importantly he's a gentleman.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 14, 2013, 09:28:14 PM
Awful news.

Out of curiosity, why would someone like JT never have moved to the professional ranks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 14, 2013, 09:28:14 PM
Awful news.

Out of curiosity, why would someone like JT never have moved to the professional ranks.

Weight. Pros have to be able to do under 11 stone to earn any sort of living.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 14, 2013, 10:51:16 PM
Got a tip today for the Henderson's horse in the first race tomorrow (Geraghty on board) but TBH i fancied our Conor for that race...for you guys who actually know a bit whats your verdict?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 15, 2013, 12:18:10 AM
8 handicaps so far, winner returned with SPs of of 28/1, 16/1, 33/1, 25/1, 25/1, 50/1, 16/1, 14/1.

The best idea I had all week was to concentrate on the Grade Ones, although I went and broke my own rule in the Kim Muir and backed Romanesco.

Hope JT makes a full recovery. Probably the top amateur over the last 10-15 years.

Haven't followed the juveniles that much but I would instinctively look to take on any Irish runners.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on March 15, 2013, 12:42:04 AM
Haven't been on here for a while but I just want to add my best wishes to JT for a speedy recovery. Really hope and pray he is back soon. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: washed_up on March 15, 2013, 06:08:16 AM
thoughts and prayers for a full recovery,concern for him on every racing supppporters mind today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 15, 2013, 08:47:39 AM
Good wishes to JT.

My tv fund stands at €34.13 so I need a few 20-1 winners today.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 15, 2013, 08:54:21 AM
Best of luck to JT.  Sounds serious, but hopefully things will turn out OK.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 15, 2013, 09:19:38 AM
Sunnyhillboy out of the Gold Cup - Presume AP will get the gig on Sir Des Champs??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 10:05:28 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on March 15, 2013, 12:18:10 AM
8 handicaps so far, winner returned with SPs of of 28/1, 16/1, 33/1, 25/1, 25/1, 50/1, 16/1, 14/1.

The best idea I had all week was to concentrate on the Grade Ones, although I went and broke my own rule in the Kim Muir and backed Romanesco.

Hope JT makes a full recovery. Probably the top amateur over the last 10-15 years.

Haven't followed the juveniles that much but I would instinctively look to take on any Irish runners.

I wouldn't have backed Romanesco because in the 62 handicap chases at the festival since 1997, not one 7-y-o or older carrying 11-0 or more (including many fancied runners) had won. Until yesterday, when this stat put me off backing Same Difference, which I fancied!

Best wishes to JT.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2013, 12:55:41 PM
Selections for today in a 3 doubles and a treble bet

Far West
At Fishers Cross
Alderwood

Thank fook it's nearly over :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:00:52 PM
Bobs Worth 5/2. Is who I have backed for the 3.20

Hurricane Fly and Quevega on tuesday were the only others i backed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on March 15, 2013, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:00:52 PM
Bobs Worth 5/2. Is who I have backed for the 3.20

Hurricane Fly and Quevega on tuesday were the only others i backed.

Of course they were!!! ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on March 15, 2013, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:00:52 PM
Bobs Worth 5/2. Is who I have backed for the 3.20

Hurricane Fly and Quevega on tuesday were the only others i backed.

Of course they were!!! ::)

Some of the other favs have fckd up since ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on March 15, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
Oh, so what you're saying is that they're the only WINNERS you've backed. That's a fish of a different colour.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:30:58 PM
They were "the only other horses I backd" yes. hence why I said only other horses I backed along with Bobs Worth.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on March 15, 2013, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:30:58 PM
They were "the only other horses I backd" yes. hence why I said only other horses I backed along with Bobs Worth.

::) ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2013, 01:33:09 PM
Anyone know of a trainer called WA Murphy?Looks to be attempting a bit of a job on his 4 runners at Wolvs tonight,all off the track for a long time and getting well backed  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on March 15, 2013, 01:33:51 PM
Ok, I got you right the first time then, hence the ::)  ::).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on March 15, 2013, 01:33:51 PM
Ok, I got you right the first time then, hence the ::)  ::).

;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:39:38 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 15, 2013, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 15, 2013, 01:30:58 PM
They were "the only other horses I backd" yes. hence why I said only other horses I backed along with Bobs Worth.

::) ::)

Much luck yourself Tommy? Or do you like being a troll on the gaa board.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 01:43:12 PM
Lovely. What a show. I didn't realise he was that good. On that display he'll challenge Hurricane Fly for favourite come next year's Champion Hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on March 15, 2013, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 15, 2013, 01:33:09 PM
Anyone know of a trainer called WA Murphy?Looks to be attempting a bit of a job on his 4 runners at Wolvs tonight,all off the track for a long time and getting well backed  ???

I had 3 of his horses selected each at 3/1 odds and i could just get SP on the last one.

When i went back to the bet slip it said odds in others had changed.

Can only get SP on all them at moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2013, 01:56:51 PM
Yahoo!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2013, 01:57:29 PM
Just been onto a friend of mine that's pretty clued up on the irish racing scene and he says the only W. Murphy he knows is a p2p trainer  :o Surely its not him  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2013, 01:56:51 PM
Yahoo!!

I think half of Ireland must've had  him  :D Even my mother  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: EC Unique on March 15, 2013, 03:31:09 PM
2 winners in a row. Get in!  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 04:13:29 PM
Am I wrong to say shoddy course management cost Jane Mangan the Foxhunters there? Why not have a temporary rail there instead of a rope? It took the horse by surprise and she had no chance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
You may have a point there Hardy on the fence but surely she would have known there was a rope there and knew to keep the horse out from it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
You may have a point there Hardy on the fence but surely she would have known there was a rope there and knew to keep the horse out from it?

Yes, ultimately it's her fault. But she's eighteen, about to win a race at the festival. The horse is obviously following the rail, the rail disappears, the horse keeps left, suddenly there's a pole in front of him and he has to dive right. It's easy to be wise after the event, but it seems a little help from the course management in the form of a plastic rail pulled into place for the last circuit wouldn't go amiss. I won't be surprised if we see it after this.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: tommysmith on March 15, 2013, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
You may have a point there Hardy on the fence but surely she would have known there was a rope there and knew to keep the horse out from it?

Yes, ultimately it's her fault. But she's eighteen, about to win a race at the festival. The horse is obviously following the rail, the rail disappears, the horse keeps left, suddenly there's a pole in front of him and he has to dive right. It's easy to be wise after the event, but it seems a little help from the course management in the form of a plastic rail pulled into place for the last circuit wouldn't go amiss. I won't be surprised if we see it after this.

No need for a plastic rail for the winner he knew where the winning post was  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 15, 2013, 05:27:30 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 15, 2013, 01:33:09 PM
Anyone know of a trainer called WA Murphy?Looks to be attempting a bit of a job on his 4 runners at Wolvs tonight,all off the track for a long time and getting well backed  ???
What chance do u have, money for four horses and all u can get is sp on all four one of which hasn't been on the track for over 900 days
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
You may have a point there Hardy on the fence but surely she would have known there was a rope there and knew to keep the horse out from it?

Yes, ultimately it's her fault. But she's eighteen, about to win a race at the festival. The horse is obviously following the rail, the rail disappears, the horse keeps left, suddenly there's a pole in front of him and he has to dive right. It's easy to be wise after the event, but it seems a little help from the course management in the form of a plastic rail pulled into place for the last circuit wouldn't go amiss. I won't be surprised if we see it after this.

Absolutely and it could have been prevented by the course management as you say.  Probably will see changes.

That said she was travelling well and I guess we will never know but would Salsify got her anyways?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2013, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
You may have a point there Hardy on the fence but surely she would have known there was a rope there and knew to keep the horse out from it?

Yes, ultimately it's her fault. But she's eighteen, about to win a race at the festival. The horse is obviously following the rail, the rail disappears, the horse keeps left, suddenly there's a pole in front of him and he has to dive right. It's easy to be wise after the event, but it seems a little help from the course management in the form of a plastic rail pulled into place for the last circuit wouldn't go amiss. I won't be surprised if we see it after this.

Absolutely and it could have been prevented by the course management as you say.  Probably will see changes.

That said she was travelling well and I guess we will never know but would Salsify got her anyways?

A double up with Alderwood and McCoys other winner earlier on. Only day I didn't lose!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on March 15, 2013, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Muzz on March 15, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
You may have a point there Hardy on the fence but surely she would have known there was a rope there and knew to keep the horse out from it?

Yes, ultimately it's her fault. But she's eighteen, about to win a race at the festival. The horse is obviously following the rail, the rail disappears, the horse keeps left, suddenly there's a pole in front of him and he has to dive right. It's easy to be wise after the event, but it seems a little help from the course management in the form of a plastic rail pulled into place for the last circuit wouldn't go amiss. I won't be surprised if we see it after this.

Absolutely and it could have been prevented by the course management as you say.  Probably will see changes.

That said she was travelling well and I guess we will never know but would Salsify got her anyways?

Just after seeing the race there and I can't see Salsify catching Oscar Delta with so little left to the post. Desperately unlucky for her and no doubt she felt the race was hers when 3 ahead and 2 out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ranch on March 15, 2013, 06:49:27 PM
Local bookies was offering 40/1 this morning for an Our Conor and Bobs Worth double. Easy money and crazy odds!  :)

Also had Our Conor in a double with At Fishers Cross and got Salsify at 3/1 this morning as well in a single. One good day has me up for the week thankfully.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2013, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
Richard Hughes was positively purring about him before Christmas. He was joking that Dessie should put him away for a flat campaign so that he can come over and ride him. They were adamant he was going to beat Blood Cotil on Stephen's Day but he was coughing on Christmas Eve and was declared a NR.

Good man Dickie!

The week was an incredible rollercoaster of emotions. Sporting theatre at its finest but your heart would go out to the family of John Thomas and the struggle that lies ahead of them. I'm fortunate to be flying home with a full wallet after a great day today and I will be donating some of my winnings to the Injured Jockey's Fund. We've all cursed a few jockeys down the years but those lads put their bodies on the line on a daily basis. They're sportsmen we can all be proud of.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 15, 2013, 07:57:55 PM
Well said and, more importantly, well done DH.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2013, 09:08:45 PM
Ha,that was some shambles of an attempt at a coup at Wolvs!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 15, 2013, 09:26:06 PM
First off, i would like to wish JT all the best in his recovery.

Had my best day EVER at Cheltenham today. 4 winners, but more importantly, i had them in an acca. Was waiting on Salsify, had my head in my hand after they jumped the last, then all hell broke loose in the pub. Took me a minute or more to realise that i'd had my biggest win ever. I'm still in shock. so much so that i had to get a taxi home, rather than go on the piss. I feel like i should do something nice for that wee girl who fell off, she done me one serious favour.

The father of the lad leading Bobs Worth round was in the pub today and got word that the rain was a big worry, so was great to see him win.

Think i might have  a few pints after the Armagh match tomorrow..............
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 15, 2013, 09:26:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2013, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
Richard Hughes was positively purring about him before Christmas. He was joking that Dessie should put him away for a flat campaign so that he can come over and ride him. They were adamant he was going to beat Blood Cotil on Stephen's Day but he was coughing on Christmas Eve and was declared a NR.

Good man Dickie!

The week was an incredible rollercoaster of emotions. Sporting theatre at its finest but your heart would go out to the family of John Thomas and the struggle that lies ahead of them. I'm fortunate to be flying home with a full wallet after a great day today and I will be donating some of my winnings to the Injured Jockey's Fund. We've all cursed a few jockeys down the years but those lads put their bodies on the line on a daily basis. They're sportsmen we can all be proud of.


Hope he recovers as fully as possible.

They're definitely great men and women.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 15, 2013, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2013, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 27, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
Richard Hughes was positively purring about him before Christmas. He was joking that Dessie should put him away for a flat campaign so that he can come over and ride him. They were adamant he was going to beat Blood Cotil on Stephen's Day but he was coughing on Christmas Eve and was declared a NR.

Good man Dickie!

The week was an incredible rollercoaster of emotions. Sporting theatre at its finest but your heart would go out to the family of John Thomas and the struggle that lies ahead of them. I'm fortunate to be flying home with a full wallet after a great day today and I will be donating some of my winnings to the Injured Jockey's Fund. We've all cursed a few jockeys down the years but those lads put their bodies on the line on a daily basis. They're sportsmen we can all be proud of.

Very good post DH! Just a quick note on that. A few posters that I know well pledged 400 between them this evening to the children's cancer unit in Belfast. Good to keep perspective when we are blessed with good luck! It's a very thin line between sucess and sheer bad luck at this game!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 15, 2013, 10:28:23 PM
Totally freakish. I was on Oscar Delta and was counting the winnings as it was going best of the 2 leaders but I recall something like this happening to an Oliver Brady horse when it got spooked a few years ago in similar circumstances at railings - that's the harsh reality of racing  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on March 15, 2013, 11:02:59 PM
Rollercoaster week is right. Firstly thoughts and prayers with JT. Please God he makes a full recovery. It was hard not to be moved watching JP Mc Manus being interviewed after At Fishers Cross's win. It must be an incredible range of emotions he was feeling and it showed the other side of the man.
Secondly I am thrilled for Hurricane Fly. Unlike last year I didn't put my shirt on him but even if I had no money on the horse I would still have been roaring him home. The horse is an absolute superstar and I'm sure it was even sweeter for connections considering the critics and doubters.
As a gambler Cheltenham is an experience like no other. Like Hardy mentioned, you may have that nagging feeling about a horse or that something is going to beat your selection but you just can't bring yourself to change from a horse that you may have been following all season. I had a nagging feeling about Cue Card but I couldn't change my mind on First Lieutenant as I have followed the horse ever since DH raved about him well over 2 years ago. Blinded loyalty some would call it. I prefer to call it courage in my convictions! Looking forward to Punchestown already!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 17, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing/everybody-hurts-for-true-friend-29135214.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing/everybody-hurts-for-true-friend-29135214.html)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleafgael on March 19, 2013, 05:30:15 PM
Our Conor will be racing in new colours next year if the stories are to be believed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 19, 2013, 06:08:19 PM
It's getting worse than the flat. Connell must have a huge cheque-book. He has paid crazy money for Minsk, Mount Benbulben, Golantilla and Old Kilcash.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2013, 05:10:51 PM
QuoteAn update on JT McNamara, who has "serious" vertebral damage but has thankfully not suffered a brain injury.

A statement on behalf of the McNamara Family from Dr Adrian McGoldrick, senior medical officer at the Turf Club, and Lisa Hancock, chief executive of the Injured Jockeys Fund: "JT McNamara remains in the Intensive Care Unit at Frenchay Hospital, Bristol. He is in a stable condition and his level of sedation is being reduced.

"Whilst his vertebral damage remains serious, he has not suffered a brain injury. His wife Caroline and family very much appreciate all the messages, cards and letters that have been received. There will be no further update this week."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: washed_up on March 21, 2013, 07:07:08 PM
Better news at least for all concerned hopefully more to come in the days and weeks ahead- thanks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 26, 2013, 10:30:33 PM
I was saddened to hear the news this morning that the voice of racing has suffered a stroke. I saw him interviewed only a few months ago and he looked in great shape for a man of his years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: barelegs on March 26, 2013, 11:01:19 PM
Prince De Beauchene is out of the Grand National. Was drifting massively on the exchanges earlier and Willie Mullins has confirmed that he has a small stress fracture.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Have you any stats/trends for the National on Monday Hardy?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 29, 2013, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Have you any stats/trends for the National on Monday Hardy?

I'm planning to have a look over the weekend. I think Maddog has a set of stats for it too. The stats are a pretty good guide - delivered Niche Market a few years ago and Lion Na Bearnai last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 29, 2013, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Have you any stats/trends for the National on Monday Hardy?

I'm planning to have a look over the weekend. I think Maddog has a set of stats for it too. The stats are a pretty good guide - delivered Niche Market a few years ago and Lion Na Bearnai last year.

Good man. Pipe's horse at the top of the weights makes it a very interesting race. Plenty of novices are running off potentially lenient marks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 29, 2013, 01:40:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 29, 2013, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Have you any stats/trends for the National on Monday Hardy?

I'm planning to have a look over the weekend. I think Maddog has a set of stats for it too. The stats are a pretty good guide - delivered Niche Market a few years ago and Lion Na Bearnai last year.

These were last years - will see what i can find in terms of updated guidlelines for this year.

Irish Grand National Trends Summary:
11/11 - Carried 11-0 or less
10/11 - Aged 9 or younger
10/11 - Ran within the last 2 months
9/11 - Carried 10-5 or less
9/11 - Had won over at least 3m before
7/11 - Won by either a 7 or 8 year-old
3/11 - Won by a UK-based trainer
0/11 - Won by a Willie Mullins-trained horse
0/11 - Won by the favourite
The average winning SP in the last 11 years is 19/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 29, 2013, 01:40:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 29, 2013, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Have you any stats/trends for the National on Monday Hardy?

I'm planning to have a look over the weekend. I think Maddog has a set of stats for it too. The stats are a pretty good guide - delivered Niche Market a few years ago and Lion Na Bearnai last year.

These were last years - will see what i can find in terms of updated guidlelines for this year.

Irish Grand National Trends Summary:
11/11 - Carried 11-0 or less
10/11 - Aged 9 or younger
10/11 - Ran within the last 2 months
9/11 - Carried 10-5 or less
9/11 - Had won over at least 3m before

7/11 - Won by either a 7 or 8 year-old
3/11 - Won by a UK-based trainer
0/11 - Won by a Willie Mullins-trained horse
0/11 - Won by the favourite
The average winning SP in the last 11 years is 19/1

Great stuff.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 29, 2013, 07:12:30 PM
Sad news re JT McNamara - paralysis confirmed - think its quadriplegic as well. Tough on all concerned
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Count 10 on March 29, 2013, 07:15:27 PM
Quote from: Declan on March 29, 2013, 07:12:30 PM
Sad news re JT McNamara - paralysis confirmed - think its quadriplegic as well. Tough break

Terrible.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2013, 07:16:05 PM
Quote from: Declan on March 29, 2013, 07:12:30 PM
Sad news re JT McNamara - paralysis confirmed - think its quadriplegic as well. Tough break

That's unreal, sorry to hear this after watching that fall, I'm sure you never meant that pun on the end
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 29, 2013, 07:23:05 PM
Hadn't noticed that Milltown - Cheers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 07:45:34 PM
It's the news everyone was expecting but it's still hard to take. John Thomas was always one of the hardiest riders around. He must have suffered hundreds of falls in all his years riding on the p2p circuit.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 29, 2013, 08:58:21 PM
Desperate news about JT McNamara. It seems so cruel that a sport we all love can have such consequences.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 30, 2013, 09:28:39 AM
Shockingly sad end to Cheltenham for JT.

Tragic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 30, 2013, 10:13:37 AM
Quote from: maddog on March 29, 2013, 01:40:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 29, 2013, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 29, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Have you any stats/trends for the National on Monday Hardy?

I'm planning to have a look over the weekend. I think Maddog has a set of stats for it too. The stats are a pretty good guide - delivered Niche Market a few years ago and Lion Na Bearnai last year.

These were last years - will see what i can find in terms of updated guidlelines for this year.

Irish Grand National Trends Summary:
11/11 - Carried 11-0 or less
10/11 - Aged 9 or younger
10/11 - Ran within the last 2 months
9/11 - Carried 10-5 or less
9/11 - Had won over at least 3m before
7/11 - Won by either a 7 or 8 year-old
3/11 - Won by a UK-based trainer
0/11 - Won by a Willie Mullins-trained horse
0/11 - Won by the favourite
The average winning SP in the last 11 years is 19/1

I've been looking at Jadanli. Handicap has worked out perfectly as it doesn't have to concede weight to the 12 or so horses below it in the list. Stats wise, age is the major issue but it won a Powers Gold Cup at the meeting 3 years ago and seems to have returned to reasonable heart this term. A hard race at Cheltenham another possible negative.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 30, 2013, 10:14:40 AM
Terrible news about JT. :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 30, 2013, 10:58:45 AM
Horrible news about JT McNamara, with the amount of spills and half ton horses rolling over jockeys its a miracle serious injuries dont happen more often.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 30, 2013, 11:01:32 AM
Anyone fancy putting up their stabs at the spring double for the craic.

Eshtibaak and chicago Grey for me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 30, 2013, 12:47:22 PM
Stats-based ratings for the Lincoln

Chapter Seven     30.62
Memory Cloth     24.48
Strictly Silver     24.10
Lahaag      21.06
Justonefortheroad      20.02
Captain Bertie     20.68
Eshtibaak     20.68
Gladys' Gal      19.60
Anderiego     20.68
Hit The Jackpot     17.46
Brae Hill     17.68
Swiftly Done     17.08
Muffin Mcleay     17.26
Chosen Character     17.08
Levitate      17.44
Prince Of Johanne     14.44
Jack's Revenge     13.84
Global Village     10.08
Dubai Dynamo     10.64
Capaill Liath       6.44
Bancnuanaheireann       7.00
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 30, 2013, 02:05:22 PM
Stats-based ratings for the Irish National

Panther Claw    32.02
Cross Appeal    29.14
Sweeney Tune    24.42
Competitive Edge    24.42
Rich Revival    25.28
Jadanli    25.80
Goonyella    24.82
Our Victoria    24.82
Paddy Pub    25.80
Junio    20.54
He'llberemembered    21.08
Jacksonslady    20.82
Muirhead    21.80
Romanesco    20.82
Questions Answered    21.94
Imperial Shabra    21.48
Liberty Counsel    22.20
Carloswayback    21.22
Magnanimity    17.48
Home Farm    17.22
Whodoyouthink    17.94
Marasonnien    17.22
Away We Go    18.60
Blazing Beacon    17.88
Start Me Up    17.48
Carlingford Lough    17.22
Rapidolyte De Ladalka    16.68
Quietly Fancied    17.88
You Must Know Me    9.62
Cootamundra    9.88
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 30, 2013, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 30, 2013, 11:01:32 AM
Anyone fancy putting up their stabs at the spring double for the craic.

Eshtibaak and chicago Grey for me

OK, based on the stats, Chapter Seven and Panther Claw.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 30, 2013, 10:17:37 PM
Competitive looking renewal of the Powers Gold Cup tomorrow. Anybody with any strong views?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 30, 2013, 10:25:46 PM
Absolutely gutted for JT but just hope he can continue whatever progress there has been.

Panther Claw had a pretty tough.race last week IMO. Just back the three biggest outsiders e.w.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2013, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 30, 2013, 10:17:37 PM
Competitive looking renewal of the Powers Gold Cup tomorrow. Anybody with any strong views?

How many of them will complete the course? There are some seriously skittish jumpers in it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 30, 2013, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on March 30, 2013, 10:25:46 PM


Panther Claw had a pretty tough.race last week IMO. Just back the three biggest outsiders e.w.
Quote from: Hardy on March 30, 2013, 02:05:22 PM
Stats-based ratings for the Irish National

Panther Claw    32.02
Cross Appeal    29.14
Sweeney Tune    24.42
Competitive Edge    24.42
Rich Revival    25.28
Jadanli    25.80
Goonyella    24.82
Our Victoria    24.82
Paddy Pub    25.80
Junio    20.54
He'llberemembered    21.08
Jacksonslady    20.82
Muirhead    21.80
Romanesco    20.82
Questions Answered    21.94
Imperial Shabra    21.48
Liberty Counsel    22.20
Carloswayback    21.22
Magnanimity    17.48
Home Farm    17.22
Whodoyouthink    17.94
Marasonnien    17.22
Away We Go    18.60
Blazing Beacon    17.88
Start Me Up    17.48
Carlingford Lough    17.22
Rapidolyte De Ladalka    16.68
Quietly Fancied    17.88
You Must Know Me    9.62
Cootamundra    9.88

What's the craic here? P Carberry - N Meade 40/1?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 31, 2013, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on March 30, 2013, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on March 30, 2013, 10:25:46 PM


Panther Claw had a pretty tough.race last week IMO. Just back the three biggest outsiders e.w.
Quote from: Hardy on March 30, 2013, 02:05:22 PM
Stats-based ratings for the Irish National

Panther Claw    32.02
Cross Appeal    29.14
Sweeney Tune    24.42
Competitive Edge    24.42
Rich Revival    25.28
Jadanli    25.80
Goonyella    24.82
Our Victoria    24.82
Paddy Pub    25.80
Junio    20.54
He'llberemembered    21.08
Jacksonslady    20.82
Muirhead    21.80
Romanesco    20.82
Questions Answered    21.94
Imperial Shabra    21.48
Liberty Counsel    22.20
Carloswayback    21.22
Magnanimity    17.48
Home Farm    17.22
Whodoyouthink    17.94
Marasonnien    17.22
Away We Go    18.60
Blazing Beacon    17.88
Start Me Up    17.48
Carlingford Lough    17.22
Rapidolyte De Ladalka    16.68
Quietly Fancied    17.88
You Must Know Me    9.62
Cootamundra    9.88

What's the craic here? P Carberry - N Meade 40/1?

Poor effort in last year's renewal and has done little since winning the Paddy Power at Christmas in 2011.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 31, 2013, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2013, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 30, 2013, 10:17:37 PM
Competitive looking renewal of the Powers Gold Cup tomorrow. Anybody with any strong views?

How many of them will complete the course? There are some seriously skittish jumpers in it.

Went for Mount Benbulben in the end. Convinced Marito had a big hand to play in the Jewson before coming to grief and the form with that one stacks up well. The front 4 in a 6 horse race are very tight in the betting.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 31, 2013, 03:23:46 PM
Annie Power looks a ready made replacement for Quevega.
Title: 4-50
Post by: drici on April 01, 2013, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on March 30, 2013, 10:25:46 PM

Just back the three biggest outsiders e.w.


Yahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

Class advice
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on April 02, 2013, 11:11:11 AM
JT McNamara, the Irish jockey paralysed after a fall at Cheltenham, was planning to retire from racing this summer, the BBC has learned.

The 37-year-old amateur fractured two vertebrae when his horse fell in a race at the festival last month.

Barry Potts, a trainer from Strabane in County Tyrone, was the jockey's best man at his wedding:

"I believe he was going to give up after the April meeting at Punchestown, unfortunately this happened," he said.

The annual Punchestown Festival will take place from 23 to 27 April.

"He's ridden over 600 point to point winners, I think he's ridden about 100 on the track as well - he's ridden in a lot of races.

"He got an awful slap on the ground. The horse hit the fence and drove him into the ground. You knew whenever he hit the ground and didn't move, which wasn't like him.

"I saw him taking plenty of falls and he would be hardy, but it was a dead slap he got.

"It is dangerous, there aren't many jobs where an ambulance follows you around. It makes you sick to your stomach, even now thinking about it makes you sick to your stomach."

The amateur jockey remains in hospital after suffering the fall during the Cheltenham Festival last month.

Mr Potts said his friend loved riding horses.

"He would ride horses all day - loved it, wouldn't matter how many horses he had to ride out, he would keep going, he was always very fit," he said.

"All through the summer he would be breaking horses as well."

Mr McNamara has been now told he is paralysed from the neck down.

"Hopefully that's just the worst case scenario that they've given him," Mr Potts said.

"Fingers crossed he'll get something moving. He's pretty strong-minded, he'll be determined."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 02, 2013, 03:43:21 PM
Nice gesture from O'Leary donating his prize money to a fund for JT.

Anyway, here are the trends for the National from the Aintree update Mark Howard sends out (I have the trends for all the other big races if you want? Don't wanna clog up the thread like TAM before Cheltenham!)

TRENDS:

* 21 of the last 24 winners have been in the HANDICAP PROPER.

* Only 9 of the last 24 winners have carried MORE than 10st 8lb (But 7 of the last 9 have).

* ALL of the last 20 winners have been AGED between 8 & 12.

* EVERY WINNER since 1970 (Gay Trip being the last one) had won over THREE MILES over FENCES beforehand.

* 16 of the last 24 winners had won BEYOND 3m 2f.

* ALL of the last 17 winners have been OFFICALLY RATED at least 136.

* 11 of the last 12 winners were OFFICIALLY RATED between 136 & 153 (NEPTUNE COLLONGES (157) being the exception last year).

* 19 of the last 22 winners had won a race over at least 3m 1f.

* 18 of the last 22 winners had run in the previous 35 days before the National.

* 16 of the last 17 winners had run in the past 49 days (NEPTUNE COLLONGES (56 days) the exception last year).

* ALL of the last 15 winners had run at LEAST 10 times over fences.

* 15 of the last 22 winners had run at LEAST 14 times over fences (including PTPs).

* Only 5 of the last 20 winners had run at the CHELTENHAM FESTIVAL beforehand.

* Only 2 of the last 22 winners had FALLEN in the season of their victory (NUMBERSIXVALVERDE was BROUGHT DOWN during his National winning season in 2008).

* Only 3 of the last 22 winners had raced MORE than 6 times that season.

* Only 6 of the last 22 winners started longer than 16/1.

* Only 3 times has a WEIGHT in excess of 11st been carried to victory since 1983 (Hedgehunter (2005), Don't Push It (2010) & Neptune Collonges (2012).

* 15 of the last 22 winners were running over the NATIONAL FENCES for the FIRST TIME.

* 12 of the last 21 winners had WON or been PLACED in one of the major NATIONALS (ie. IRISH, MIDLANDS, SCOTTISH or WELSH).

* 19 of the last 21 winners had won a race containing at least 14 runners.

* There have only been 3 winners in the last 20 years in their first season OUTSIDE NOVICE COMPANY.

* Only 3 FAVOURITES have won in the last 20 years (COMPLY OR DIE was Joint Favourite in 2008 & DON'T PUSH IT in 2010).

* Only 2 of the 134 FRENCH BREDS to have run in the race during the last 19 years has won (MON MOME (2009) & NEPTUNE COLLONGES (2012) – but 2 in the last 4 years.

* The 151 horses to wear HEADGEAR (ie. Blinkers, Visors, Cheekpieces) in the last 19 years have produced 2 winners and 7 places.

* There were 6 IRISH TRAINED WINNERS between 1999 & 2007 but none since.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 02, 2013, 04:18:37 PM
Teaforthree ticks a lot of boxes for me albeit that he falls foul of the second season chaser stat above. Also like Imperial Commander. First Lieutenant is striking me as the value at 3s for the Bowl (Silviniaco Conti evens) while I think Thousand Stars looks a big each way price for the Aintree hurdle given the fact that he's been laid out for Liverpool and was only touched off on the line in both 2011 and 2012.

PS- Hands up if you enjoyed my detailed and informative Cheltenham research.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 02, 2013, 04:27:41 PM
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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 04, 2013, 09:18:26 PM
Can't believe this thread is on page 2 after day one of Aintree.

Bad day punting for me all round. Glad to see First Lieutenant win (even though I had SIlviniaco backed).

How many does Sprinter win by tomorrow then? Coral going 1/1 over 8. I think he wins easy, just a matter of when Geraghty presses the button on him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on April 05, 2013, 09:58:55 AM
Got this from a mate :

It's that time of year again!
The time where i spend days and hours trawling through the form and stats of the grand national and then unwittingly throw my hard earned cash down the pan :-) But sure it's kept me out of trouble for a few weeks!

Stamina: Since 1970 every winner had previously won over 3 miles or more. Not all horses entered will actually have won in previous races over long distances but try to pick one that has at least finished and placed in one.                                                      
Class:    Only one horse with a rating of over 154 has won the Grand National and only 4 have been placed in the last 22 years. In the last 24 years every winner ran off an offical rating of between 136 and 157 with only 2 horses winning from ""out of the handicap"". Consider horses rated between 136 and 145 as this group has provided every single winner for the past 12 years. Although the 2010 winner was rated 153 and last years winner was rated 150. The changes to the rules of the national have allowed for better rated horses to take part and compete well in the race."                                                   
Performance:    Each of the last 15 winners had proven ability in a top race and had won a race worth at least £17,000. Last years winner Ballabriggs had only secured a race over 17k on only one occasion prior to winning the national.                                                      
Jumping: All of the last 15 winners had run at least ten times over fences before big day at Aintree. Horses to have run over hurdles that season (or be lighlty raced over fences) may indicate that the trainer may have been protecting the horse chase handicap mark for the Grand National. 8 OF THE LAST 9 GRAND NATIONAL WINNERS RAN OVER HURDLES IN THE YEAR THEY WON THE GRAND NATIONAL Try to avoid horses who have fallen more than twice in their careers. Novices should also be avoided.                                             
Sex/Colour: Only 13 mares have won the Aintree Grand National.  The last mare to win the Grand National was in 1951. Only two greys have won the Grand National in the history of the event.                                                               
Fitness: The Grand National is run around four weeks after the Cheltenham Festival and many horses will have been trained so that they peak in time for Cheltenham, not Aintree. In recent years only Silver Birch (second the Cross Country) and Bindaree (sixth in the William Hill Chase) have gone on to win the Grand National after racing at Cheltenham. Many others have tried and failed. The 2010 winner Don't Push It was pulled up in a race at Cheltenham 3 weeks before winning the national and finished 10/23 at Cheltenham in 2011 before fininshing 3rd in the national. Golden Miller remains the only horse to have won the Grand National and the Cheltenham Gold Cup in the same year.  Every winner in the past 13 years had had at least four runs prior, in preparation for the big race with the exception of ballabriggs in 2011 who has 3 prep runs to his name. Each of the past 13 winners had previously run in the past two months. Between 1995 and 2004 the National winners ran between 16 and 42 days previously, a trend upheld in 2010 and 2011. Lord Gylenne ran second in the Midlands National."                                                                                                                     
National Form: Since 1998 only one horse that has been placed or indeed won in the previous years national has gone onto win the following year.  Since 1998 3 horses have won the national after failing to finish the race the previous year.  Only three horses in the history of the National have won the race in consecutive years. Red Rum the most recent (1973-4).  Since 1990 16 horses have gone for the double but the results speak for themselves (PPPPP004640262F3).  Previous winners in recent years have been getting closer to the winners enclosure with the new handicapping structure and race entry rules. Since 1990 four winners failed to complete the Grand National course the year before.In the last 24 years, 24 of the horses finishing in the first four ran in the previous year's race. Of those, 12 had won or been placed before, seven had failed to complete the course and five completed but were out of the frame. Six of the last 9 winners had run over the national fences before. Only four horses have won back-to-back Grand Nationals. "                                          
Betting: Only 5 Grand National favorites have won in the last 26 years. Comply Or Die in 2008, with the 2010 winner Don't Push It sharing joint favouritism after a huge pre-race gamble. Only 4 Grand National winners from the last 15 have been bigger than 16/1 at the start of the race. 2009 winner Mon Mome was 100/1. Middle of the Grand National betting market seems to be key. 16 of the last 19 winners were in the top 8 in the betting The race is rarely won by a horse with odds of less than 10/1 (only five since 1978)                                             
Country Bred:   There have been 6 Irish winners in the last 10 renewals. In 2008, 3 of the first 5 home were Irish trained, with all being irish bred. in 2010 the first two home were irish bred. In 2010 the first 3 home and in 2011 the first 2 home were irish bred. French bred runners have a poor record, mostly  due to the fact that very few races n France are run beyond three miles, so breeders have no need to install strong stamina genes into the stock. They are also trained harder at a younger age so once they get to eight or nine they are ususally past their best. in 2009 Mom Mome Bucked this trend being a french bred winner at 100/1."                                       
Jumping: 8 OF THE LAST 9 GRAND NATIONAL WINNERS RAN OVER HURDLES IN THE YEAR THEY WON THE GRAND NATIONAL                                                      
Jockey/Trainer : Some trainers have a better history of training staying chasers and particularly Grand National winners than others. In recent years Nigel Twiston Davies has trained two runners to victory, whilst Ginger McCain won his fourth Grand National with Amberleigh House. Grand National trends - pay attention to runners from stables with a history of training good staying chasers and Grand National winners but don't place too much emphasis on this.  A P McCoy is one of the greatest ever jump jockeys but he only won his first Grand National in 2010!"                                                               
Headgear: Horses wearing headgear of any sort managed just 3 Grand National victory since 1975 from 186 starters (Silver Birch 2007 & Comply or Die 2008 were the latest winners wearing headgear).                                                                                                                     
Cheltenham: Only one horse has followed up a Cheltenham win with a win in the Grand National in the same year since 1961. The Gold Cup has produced 3 winners and 9 placed horses since 1987. 10 of those 12 finished second, third, fourth or fifth."                                             
Hennessy Gold Cup:    In the last 21 years this race has produced 7 winners, along with 15 placed horses. Of those 22, 16 finished in the first five in this race. Niche Market, What A Friend and The Tother One all performed well in this arce in recent years.                                          
Irish National:    Provided 5 winners and 1 placed horse in the last 22 years, with 4 of those winners all coming in the last 10 renewals. Bluesea Cracker and Oscar time were the first 2 home in this race last year. Two horses have actually managed the big race double. Oscar Time has gone close in recent years finishing 2nd in the irish national in 2010 and then 2nd at aintree in 2011."                                                                  
Welsh National: The Welsh National has thrown up 10 win & placed horses in the last 21 years – although only one horse has done the double in this time. Synchronised, Giles Cross, I'moncloudnine and Ballyfitz were the first4 home in the 2011 renewal. Silver By Nature and Le Beau Bai were placed in 2009. In 2012 Le Beau Bai won the welsh national with Giles corss and cappa bleu filling the places.   
                                                                                          
With the ground sure to ride on the quick side of good on saturday i've used that as my main point of focus for this years race.

So here's my shortlist in order of preference:

1. Balthazar King 16/1
2. Always Waining 33/1
3. Teaforthree 14/1
4. Rare Bob 20/1
5. Chicago Grey 14/1
6. Cappa Bleu 11/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 05, 2013, 10:15:53 AM
I have three of those on my shortlist (Chicago Grey, Cappa Bleu & Balthazar King). Might chance Soll as well.

Getting annoyed at the media, all reporting yesterday's racing was overshadowed by the loss of Battlefront. Yes it was sad to see but I would hardly say it was overshadowed. Most news outlets I seen didn't even mention the racing, just Battlefront. Jokers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on April 05, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Imperial Commander, if he's fit, will carry them all home. He's a better horse than Neptune Collonges was this time last year, and Grade 1 class told a story that day.

I'm also doing ForPadyThePlasterer for an interest. He should plug on gamely to the end.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 05, 2013, 11:41:32 AM
Race of the season today - Flemenstar v Cue Card v Finians Rainbow v Sprinter Sacre

It's a pity the freak is running here instead of at Punchestown but it will be fascinating to see if he will be as good over two and a half miles.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on April 05, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
What a performance by Sprinter Sacre!!

On a different note, did anyone see Harry Challoner's finish on Croc Bay in the 3.20 at Sedgefield. Horse nearly bucked him off about 50 yards from the line but he hung on round it's neck to win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on April 05, 2013, 03:34:59 PM
The question is.....could he win a Gold Cup? Don't expect him to ever try because he is so superior over 2 miles but his utter dominance over a brilliant horse like Cue Card (showing no signs of slowing up) coupled with his pedigree suggests that it would be possible.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 06, 2013, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on April 05, 2013, 10:15:53 AM
I have three of those on my shortlist (Chicago Grey, Cappa Bleu & Balthazar King). Might chance Soll as well.

Getting annoyed at the media, all reporting yesterday's racing was overshadowed by the loss of Battlefront. Yes it was sad to see but I would hardly say it was overshadowed. Most news outlets I seen didn't even mention the racing, just Battlefront. Jokers.

Agree with the media reporting. If a horse is killed in a race at Uttoxeter,Thurlers or at home on the gallops there isn't a word about it.

Aside from the national is there anything else sticking out today ? I like the look of Russian War in 3.25, looks well handicapped against his hurdles rating 12/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: boojangles on April 06, 2013, 12:46:05 PM
Come on lads time to stick the neck out.

Imperial Commander
Teaforthree
Always Waining
Cappa Bleu
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 06, 2013, 01:39:46 PM
I have Quiscover Fontaine in the work sweep. My hard earned will going on the following:

Chicago Grey
Big Fella Thanks

Outsider: Major Malarkey

I know nothing about horses so no theory behind those choices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 06, 2013, 01:48:25 PM
That's interesting  my shortlist is similar to yours, Boojangles:

Imperial Commander
Teaforthree
Always Waining
On His Own
Balthazar King

These are just fancies and I've just put a few bob e.w. on Always Wainng. I'd normally have spent hours on the stats to pick a shortlist but the stats have gone to hell altogether and we'll have to wait a few years to see if there are any worthwhile trends.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 06, 2013, 03:05:57 PM
Word is supposedly good on Opening Batsman in the next 7/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2013, 03:19:52 PM
For what it's worth, my short list is Join Together, Roberto Goldback and Colbert Station. I've also a small ew on Forpadydeplasterer at big odds as he's an old favourite of mine.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 06, 2013, 03:42:34 PM
Chicago grey for me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gerrykeegan on April 06, 2013, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on April 06, 2013, 03:42:34 PM
Chicago grey for me. I work in a fish factory I think I should be on the favorite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Rare Bob for me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: StGallsGAA on April 06, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Churchtown Boy e/w
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 06, 2013, 04:26:55 PM
Washout.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2013, 04:27:58 PM
Note to self - never bet on the Grand National again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 06, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
Its the bookies day today! I was looking for win or placed form in the scottish or welsh nationals and completely missed that this one was 2nd in the scottish. Specsavers time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2013, 05:31:56 PM
Asked her indoors did she want to have a flutter on the GG's and she had a look at the runners, of course looking only at the names.

After a look she wanted Oscar time as she was heading off to feed a friends cat, which is called Oscar, 66/1 each way. She was raging when it came fourth as she thought it wasn't placed!! Happy days I'm away out to watch the rugby!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on April 06, 2013, 07:05:46 PM
class mr2
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Saffrongael on April 06, 2013, 07:29:29 PM
Seems MR2 has never lost a bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
Solwhit did it very nicely today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2013, 12:08:13 PM
I've lost plenty bets saff!! Though my bets are not big. Ten quid a week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 07, 2013, 05:39:45 PM
Bad news about the jockey from the big winner yesterday. In what other sport are you back at it the next day after the highlight of your career?!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 10, 2013, 08:32:26 PM
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Title: Marbh
Post by: drici on April 20, 2013, 11:10:51 AM
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That was wild.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 21, 2013, 09:22:00 PM
Good news that John Thomas McNamara is back in Ireland tonight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on April 22, 2013, 08:25:14 PM
What's going on with Godolphin?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on April 23, 2013, 09:54:25 AM
Godolphin trainer Al Zarooni faces horse doping inquiry


Eleven horses from the Godolphin stable have tested positive for anabolic steroids in one of the biggest doping scandals in British racing history.

Godolphin trainer Mahmood Al Zarooni will attend a British Horseracing Authority inquiry after irregularities were discovered in 11 of 45 racehorses.

Al Zarooni has admitted making "a catastrophic mistake".

"This is a dark day for Godolphin," said stable manager Simon Crisford. "We are all shocked by what has happened."

The 11 horses include unbeaten Certify, who will not be allowed to run in next month's 1,000 Guineas at Newmarket.

Godolphin is the Maktoum family's private thoroughbred horseracing stable and is overseen by the constitutional monarch of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed, who appointed Al Zarooni three years ago.

Analysis
Cornelius Lysaght
BBC horse racing correspondent This is hugely embarrassing for Godolphin's figurehead, Sheikh Mohammed, the head of the Maktoum family and, as such, the ruler of Dubai. His hands-on approach to Godolphin, the largest stable in the world and one of the few players in racing's premier league, is legendary.

It's constantly emphasised how no decision, from numerous horse purchases to race strategy and tactics, is made without reference to Sheikh Mohammed - 'the Boss'. Indeed, the very fact that most Godolphin horses spend their winters in Dubai is down to his desire to see them on a daily basis, when affairs of state must also be dealt with.

And it's on the back of all this and the much-vaunted sporting nature of the Sheikh and his family, that Dubai has become amongst the world's great centres for sport and leisure. Yet, apparently right under their noses, perhaps racing's greatest ever drugs scandal has unfolded. Little wonder an urgent review of 'all of our procedures and controls' has now been ordered.

Horses spend the winter in Dubai before transferring to Godolphin's UK stables in Newmarket.

A statement on Godolphin's website said: "Al Zarooni has admitted that he was responsible for the administration of the prohibited substances."

The trainer said: "Because the horses involved were not racing at the time, I did not realise that what I was doing was in breach of the rules of racing.

"I can only apologise for the damage this will cause to Godolphin and to racing generally."

The substances detected were ethylestrenol and stanozolol. Adam Brickell, director of integrity, legal and risk for the BHA, said: "Ethylestranol and stanozolol are anabolic steroids and therefore prohibited substances under British rules of racing, at any time - either in training or racing."

A former stable groom, 36-year-old Al Zarooni had previously assisted the Godolphin stable's long-term trainer Saeed bin Suroor.

Al Zarooni won his first British Classic in 2011 when Blue Bunting landed the 1,000 Guineas under Frankie Dettori at Newmarket. The filly went on to claim the Irish Oaks.

Rewilding provided a victory at Royal Ascot and Monterosso won the world's richest race, the Dubai World Cup, in March 2012.

In September 2012, he enjoyed a second British Classic success when 25-1 shot Encke upset Camelot to win the St Leger at Doncaster.

The BHA confirmed that on 9 April this year samples were obtained from 45 horses trained by Al Zarooni at Moulton Paddocks Stables in Newmarket and that the Horseracing Forensic Laboratory had detected prohibited substances.

Certify, unbeaten in four career outings and winner of the Shadwell Stud Fillies' Mile at Newmarket in September, had been ante-post favourite through the winter months for the Guineas, but was one of the seven horses whose sample tested positive for ethylestrenol.

Last year's Royal Ascot Gold Cup runner-up Opinion Poll was one of four horses testing positive for stanozolol.

Racing manager Crisford added: "His Highness Sheikh Mohammed was absolutely appalled when he was told and this is completely unacceptable to him. We will await the outcome of the BHA inquiry before taking any further internal action.

"Sheikh Mohammed has instructed me to begin an urgent review of all of our procedures and controls. That is already under way and we will take advice from the BHA in completing it."

No date has yet been announced for the BHA inquiry. However, Brickell said: "The BHA understand the importance of this process being carried out as quickly as possible because of implications for betting markets."

The 11 horses are:

Desert Blossom

Certify

Fair Hill

Ghostflower

Orkney Island

Sweet Rose

Valley Of Queens

Artigiano

Bathrat Amal

Opinion Poll

Restraint Of Trade
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 23, 2013, 11:01:09 AM
Keep that flat stuff for after Punchestown!

Looking forward to seeing this magnificent beast again later on:

(http://ep.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/35700/35797.2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 25, 2013, 12:23:03 PM
Surprised by the lack of comment on this thread considering its Punchestown week. Really looking forward to the clash between Solwhit and Quevega later. Quevega is a real superstar but I think Solwhit might take her today. Quevega wasnt at her brilliant best at Cheltenham while Solwhit has been a revelation over the 3 mile trip.

Anyone have any luck so far?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 25, 2013, 12:35:59 PM
This could be the stiffest test of stamina that Solwhit will have encountered. I won't be having a bet but I expect the mare will outstay him up the straight.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 25, 2013, 12:47:13 PM
Up there yesterday,had 4 winners  :D   Only buttons on though,my only decent bet was inish island due to his form with at fishers cross but he was beat,still my betting,drinking and food was covered for the day so i'll not complain.

Morning assembly who beat Inish island yesterday was give a race by mad brian a few runs back and mad brian goes in the 1st today in a less valuable race  and is a nice e/w bet at 7 or 8/1.
Gordon Elliott could have a good day too,has Barneys honour the likely fav in the handicap chase and has Plan A in the same race with slippers Madden booked,not a jockey i'd associate with Elliott too often,though it's a Mc Manus horse i think so that could be why,he's about a stone lower in the handicap than his hurdles mark so could go close and he has Realt Mor running in the grade 1 chase but i'll be hoping arvika ligieonniere beats him though if both try go from the front they could set it up for someone else.

Don't know about the big hurdle race,DH always tells us Quevega's a money printing machine but she should have a fight on her hands today with Solwhit and reve de sivola but at 2/1  i think i'll have to back her,if your confident DH i might have a few extra euro on  ;). Surprised Carberry lost the ride on Solwhit after his last 2 wins but  Russell will be delighted to get the ride back after missing out on the wins in England.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 25, 2013, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 25, 2013, 12:47:13 PM
Don't know about the big hurdle race,DH always tells us Quevega's a money printing machine but she should have a fight on her hands today with Solwhit and reve de sivola but at 2/1  i think i'll have to back her,if your confident DH i might have a few extra euro on  ;). Surprised Carberry lost the ride on Solwhit after his last 2 wins but  Russell will be delighted to get the ride back after missing out on the wins in England.

In and out form of Mullins's horses tempers my enthusiasm for her slightly. He's had winners but others are travelling well up to a point and then stopping quite quickly. She should be a fresh horse having only ran at Cheltenham though. It's hard to do the Cheltenham/Aintree/Punchestown treble that Solwhit is attempting. Sprinter Sacre wasn't as impressive on Tuesday as he had been at the English festivals.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on April 25, 2013, 01:14:23 PM
Oscars Well should run a big race today with Geraghty in the saddle 8/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on April 25, 2013, 02:38:48 PM
Can't have Solwhit today, had too many hard races recently for my liking. I'm not abandoning Quevega and had a decent punt, more afraid of reve de sivola.
Barney's Honour seems to have been laid out for this race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on April 25, 2013, 02:40:31 PM
Took Followmeuptocarlow at 10's this morning, is 13/2 now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 25, 2013, 05:40:59 PM
Big disappointment at Punchestown - Solwhit withdrawn at the start. Bloody nose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 25, 2013, 05:49:45 PM
She's decent  :P Pity about Solwhit,kind of ruined the race.Some laugh to see what kind of rule 4 im hit with,40 or 50 cent in the pound probably  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 25, 2013, 05:51:28 PM
40% on Betfair. Still, it was great to watch her, even with the disappointment of the loss of the main opposition.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on April 25, 2013, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on April 25, 2013, 02:40:31 PM
Took Followmeuptocarlow at 10's this morning, is 13/2 now.
backed the same horse at 10's earlier. thought we were home and hosed going over the last until the horse practically stopped in the last 50yrds. pipped nearly on the line. :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 25, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
Go on Arvika-absolutely class  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 25, 2013, 07:56:38 PM
What a muppet for thinking Mullins's horses might be short of peak form!

Quevega was as good as ever. Real pity that Solwhit had to be pulled out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on April 25, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
Any fancies for tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on April 25, 2013, 11:19:29 PM
It was very disappointing to see Solwhit withdrawn but he wouldn't have beaten Quevega anyway in my opinion. Was delighted with the 2/1 i got but this rule 4 will take nearly half the profit.
Followmeuptocarlow - have seen very few horses stop so dramatically as that. Bit gutted about that one.

Friday - Mullins and Ruby could have 4 winners and i'd be very surprised if they don't get at least 3. Would be nice to see the young girl Mangan win the last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 25, 2013, 11:34:17 PM
Quote from: The Worker on April 25, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
Any fancies for tomorrow?

Heading down myself and really looking forward to both the day's racing and Naas tomorrow night! Like the look of Shin a Vee in the first and White Star Line in the second. strongly fancy Salsify to avail of the softer ground for a more convincing triumph this time round.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 25, 2013, 11:40:12 PM
Is soft not an negative for salsify? I'll hopefully bump into ya tomorrow for a beer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 25, 2013, 11:46:11 PM
Sorry Mickey, you're right, I'd mixed that up in my head. Not sure where that leaves my considerations. Notable that Salsify thumped Oscar Delta on soft to heavy back in February.

Give me a shout about a pint in any event (hopefully with the winnings!)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 25, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
For what it's worth I'll be having a good ew punt on Moscow mannon tomorrow!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 01, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
Any views on the Guineas lads? Trying to talk myself out of a reasonable bet on Dawn Approach but he's a very solid favourite in my view. My concerns were the lack of a run this year and having not been tried over a mile but the history books suggest both can be overcome.

Some weekend for Ryan Moore- Kentucky Derby Saturday night then the Oaks Sunday afternoon!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2013, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 01, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
Any views on the Guineas lads? Trying to talk myself out of a reasonable bet on Dawn Approach but he's a very solid favourite in my view. My concerns were the lack of a run this year and having not been tried over a mile but the history books suggest both can be overcome.

Dawn Approach's price is probably about right at the moment. I expect he will drift on the day which could possibly make him a backable price. It's not the most stellar of 2000 Guineas fields on paper. Toronado will have plenty of supporters but the Craven winner is often underpriced simply because he's fresh in the minds of punters. I'm not sure his form is comparable with Dawn Approach's. Ballydoyle are the elephant in the room. No one knows what sort of form they will turn up in. You can be guaranteed they will come on for the run.

DK's horse in the 1000 on Sunday should go well.
Title: Beathach
Post by: drici on May 02, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/declanrice/441_zps13215534.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 02, 2013, 10:31:03 PM
I'm going to have a little bet e/w on Cristoforo Colombo,hoping history will repeat itself as i had Henry the navigator backed the year he beat new approach  :D
I'm not too mad into the flat racing so will rely on DH to keep me in winners  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: take_yer_points on May 03, 2013, 03:34:01 PM
Lads

Heading to Dundalk tonight for the dinner and horses. Any tips or anything to look out for??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Bud Wiser on May 03, 2013, 09:58:52 PM
Lookout for horsemeat in the dinner  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 04, 2013, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 01, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
Any views on the Guineas lads? Trying to talk myself out of a reasonable bet on Dawn Approach but he's a very solid favourite in my view. My concerns were the lack of a run this year and having not been tried over a mile but the history books suggest both can be overcome.

Some weekend for Ryan Moore- Kentucky Derby Saturday night then the Oaks Sunday afternoon!

I hope you had a decent wedge on TAM.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 05, 2013, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 04, 2013, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 01, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
Any views on the Guineas lads? Trying to talk myself out of a reasonable bet on Dawn Approach but he's a very solid favourite in my view. My concerns were the lack of a run this year and having not been tried over a mile but the history books suggest both can be overcome.

Some weekend for Ryan Moore- Kentucky Derby Saturday night then the Oaks Sunday afternoon!

I hope you had a decent wedge on TAM.

Thanks DH, I had a big bet by my own standards so delighted. Never a moment's worry really. Nicked place money with Moth today too. She finished very strongly after hitting a bit of trouble in running. Favourite for the Oaks now.

Parish Hall must have some sort of a chance against Camelot tomorrow in receipt of 5 pounds and with the advantage of a run? St Nick was thumped at long odds on in the same race last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 07, 2013, 03:26:12 PM
I thought Camelot did it very nicely yesterday. He looked as big as a bull in the parade ring beforehand so I would expect him to come on a lot for the run.

Champagne Fever is entered up for a beginners chase at Punchestown on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 22, 2013, 10:58:54 PM
Eddie Ahern the pup found guilty of corruption and banned for 10 years, there'll be some amount of boys panicking now after seeing this happen i'm sure  :P



On a separate note,Anyone watch the 7.40 at Sligo this evening?

Seskinane won it by about 6 or 7 lengths i'd say but turning for home his jockey had barged his way through the Mullins pair (1st and 2nd favs)as it appeared he may have got stuck in a pocket if he sat and waited and ended up being disqualified.

I was quite shocked as although it was careless/dangerous riding on Derek Foxs behalf the horse had won so cosily i didn't think it'd be overturned,is this a case of keeping Mullins sweet so he'll bring half decent horses back in future? I've seen horses badly interfered in ireland on many occasions and the race ending with less than a length between horses and nothing being done.

Perhaps i'm being harsh on the stewards but i think if it was 1 of Mullins horses that won with Ruby doing what Fox did there'd be no hope of an ammended result. Perhaps DH knows the ins and outs? Is there a certain level of dangerous riding that triggers an automatic disqualification?If so how do they decide on it!?  ??? I had no money on  anything today so  not talking out of my pocket i just know i'd be rightly pissed off if i was connections of Seskinane  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: NAG1 on May 23, 2013, 10:46:24 AM
Quote from: beer baron on May 22, 2013, 10:58:54 PM
Eddie Ahern the pup found guilty of corruption and banned for 10 years, there'll be some amount of boys panicking now after seeing this happen i'm sure  :P



On a separate note,Anyone watch the 7.40 at Sligo this evening?

Seskinane won it by about 6 or 7 lengths i'd say but turning for home his jockey had barged his way through the Mullins pair (1st and 2nd favs)as it appeared he may have got stuck in a pocket if he sat and waited and ended up being disqualified.

I was quite shocked as although it was careless/dangerous riding on Derek Foxs behalf the horse had won so cosily i didn't think it'd be overturned,is this a case of keeping Mullins sweet so he'll bring half decent horses back in future? I've seen horses badly interfered in ireland on many occasions and the race ending with less than a length between horses and nothing being done.

Perhaps i'm being harsh on the stewards but i think if it was 1 of Mullins horses that won with Ruby doing what Fox did there'd be no hope of an ammended result. Perhaps DH knows the ins and outs? Is there a certain level of dangerous riding that triggers an automatic disqualification?If so how do they decide on it!?  ??? I had no money on  anything today so  not talking out of my pocket i just know i'd be rightly pissed off if i was connections of Seskinane  :o

How wide spread is this carry on really? I would have thought it is one of the easiest 'sports' to rig that is out there and with so much to be gained by all parties I would have thought that this is the tip of a very big iceberg.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 23, 2013, 12:04:25 PM
I'd say you're right Nag, be interesting to see if they sit back and take the praise for catching Ahern or whether this will be the start of a number of similar cases
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 25, 2013, 08:08:40 PM
I think Fox admitted to dangerous riding which is an automatic DQ. If he had admitted to careless riding he would have got a ban but kept the race. It was bad race riding to get himself caught in that position anyway particularly when the horse won with plenty in hand.

It's been a bad week for flat racing with Eddie Ahern and the Al Zarooni sagas. Where there is money, there is corruption.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 26, 2013, 03:25:31 PM
Magical Steps 5.35 Curragh
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 26, 2013, 08:14:26 PM
Camelot thumped this afternoon. Definitely thought the interference during the week was intentional, he deliberately barged into a horse when there was no gap there. Contrast that with Cathy Gannon's patience yesterday (albeit very different types of races).

So, does Dawn Approach stay?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 26, 2013, 09:51:35 PM
Desperately disappointing from Camelot and no real excuses offered. He's just not the horse he looked this time last year.

I have my doubts over Dawn Approach's stamina. He has loads of speed on the dam side. It looks a moderate renewal so he might just get away with it but he's a very skinny price. New Approach was 5/1 and Sea The Stars was 11/4 to win their Derbies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 26, 2013, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 26, 2013, 09:51:35 PM
Desperately disappointing from Camelot and no real excuses offered. He's just not the horse he looked this time last year.

I have my doubts over Dawn Approach's stamina. He has loads of speed on the dam side. It looks a moderate renewal so he might just get away with it but he's a very skinny price. New Approach was 5/1 and Sea The Stars was 11/4 to win their Derbies.

I certainly can't have him at the price. Applying any rational judgment, you can't believe now that he has a better chance of winning the Derby than he had of winning the Guineas a week before the race. So I won't have a bet at half the price. Frankie on a decent Coolmore hope is an interesting prospect. The vibes seem to be that they may let Magician take his chance.

Going to have a look at the two continental contenders.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 26, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 26, 2013, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 26, 2013, 09:51:35 PM
Desperately disappointing from Camelot and no real excuses offered. He's just not the horse he looked this time last year.

I have my doubts over Dawn Approach's stamina. He has loads of speed on the dam side. It looks a moderate renewal so he might just get away with it but he's a very skinny price. New Approach was 5/1 and Sea The Stars was 11/4 to win their Derbies.

I certainly can't have him at the price. Applying any rational judgment, you can't believe now that he has a better chance of winning the Derby than he had of winning the Guineas a week before the race. So I won't have a bet at half the price. Frankie on a decent Coolmore hope is an interesting prospect. The vibes seem to be that they may let Magician take his chance.

Going to have a look at the two continental contenders.

Definitely. The Derby might be a bit of an afterthought. I think Bolger has his doubts over whether he will stay.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 27, 2013, 12:24:54 AM
The Paul Nicholls and Ruby Walsh combination is no more.  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 27, 2013, 04:10:08 PM
Ruby jumped a sinking ship,Nicholls has nothing like the quality of horses he had 5 years ago and i read Skelton's leaving to open his own yard and he's going to train the John Hales owned runners.

Will be interesting to see if Townend decides to go across the water and ply his trade or if he'll stay at Mullins now that Ruby's there day in day out.In fairness the way Mullins is going there's nothing wrong with being his 2nd jockey 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 27, 2013, 05:00:14 PM
Calling Nicholls a "sinking ship" is a bit harsh but clearly he no longer has the top class artillery which would justify to Ruby the personal upheaval associated with working in two countries.

I got the impression at least once at Cheltenham (that French bred in the RSA which won the December Gold Cup at 4) that Ruby was riding a Nicholls runner simply to placate the Ditcheat man as Mullins had the superior horses in most championship races.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 27, 2013, 05:33:53 PM
Sinking ship probably was a bit o.t.t,in fairness horses like Denman Kauto star are raritys and anything after them was never going to measure up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2013, 11:37:58 AM
Nicholls is a notoriously difficult man to work for. I think that Walsh can be quite gruff and contrary himself is half the reason that they worked well together for so long. The National Hunt landscape can change very quickly and Nicholls is going to struggle to have anything near the success he had over the last five or six years. He has some seriously wealthy owners behind him during that period but a lot of them are gone now. He's being outbid for all those top French 4yos and anything that wins a maiden p2p over here. Even with the best stock in your yard, having one of the top lads like Walsh or Geraghty on your side is worth a few lbs to every horse particularly in the big races.

I'd say Walsh will take out a training license himself within the next 5 years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on May 29, 2013, 03:51:42 PM
Not sure if I posted this on before ...from boards.ie after Lexus. Ted Walsh giving out about Nicholls  ;D

QuoteMicrophone picks him up calling Paul Nicholls a ''Mongrel'' and not only once says it a few times,Paul had only been saying he was cursing Ruby for being so far back
You gotta love ted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__CqnyK7Oo @ 9m15s its around
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on May 29, 2013, 04:50:24 PM
I'd guess that's a term of admiration and respect from Ted there, bcarrier.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 01, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
Is dawn approach worth a bet at 6/4? Can't really see anything else touching him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 01, 2013, 09:32:47 AM
He's far too short IMO
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 01, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
How likely is the favourite to stay on breeding? Sea the Stars and Camelot have done the guineas and derby double in recent years but overall the record is patchy enough is it not?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 01, 2013, 01:32:23 PM
DH i agree with you, 6/4 is poor odds. i thnik the value bet is Libertarian EW. Currently 16/1. According to his trainer this morning the horse likes the course and todays going and they were pretty confident ahead of the race. (although i suppose all the trainers are)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 01, 2013, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 01, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
How likely is the favourite to stay on breeding? Sea the Stars and Camelot have done the guineas and derby double in recent years but overall the record is patchy enough is it not?

I think the stats are 22 attempts in 40 years with 3 or 4 successful (2 in recent years). Camelot was always seen as more of a derby horse than a guineas speed merchant I believe while the dam side seems to be the stamina weakness for Dawn Approach. Also telling that Bolger hadn't originally entered him in the Derby. Have taken an each way chance with Chopin myself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 01, 2013, 04:46:32 PM
Help, did a 50p lucky 15 and £1.25 ew acc to kill the tenner

Riverboat Springs 2nd 9/2
Fair Value 4th 12/1
Libertarian 2nd 16/1
Rock n River 2nd 8/1

Question is Do I get my ew acc up? Fair value was a 17 runner handicap dont really remember the rules.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 01, 2013, 04:57:02 PM
Yes, standard terms were 4 places in the Dash.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 08, 2013, 04:38:04 PM
Watch the 4 horse make an incredible comeback!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-turnstile/belmont-stakes-warmup-sees-stunning-come-behind-finish-034032861.html
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2013, 04:55:09 PM
Another great sporting icon of one's youth passed on. RIP Sir Henry Cecil.

(http://www.yorkshirelife.co.uk/polopoly_fs/sir_henry_cecil_1_1624821!image/10600968.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/10600968.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on June 11, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
RIP
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 17, 2013, 11:31:43 PM
Any views on Ascot lads? Steamed into the 4/1 on the Animal Kingdom / Dawn Approach double. Mug's stuff I know.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on June 18, 2013, 12:03:26 AM
Done the same but didn't exactly ' steam in '. I find it 100 times more difficult to get winners on the flat so i tread with caution and often simply don't bother having a bet. Might add Reckless Abandon in a trixie to the aforementioned pair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2013, 12:12:50 AM
I've not had a bet in the St James Palace yet but I think Magician will turn over Dawn Approach. The Curragh race looked stronger than it's Newmarket equivalent.

Alive Alive Oh could be the bet of the week in the Ribblesdale. She looked a filly going places when she won at Naas and the second has franked the form running Midnight Soprano to a neck. If the ground stays lively then Duntle will take all the beating in the Windsor Forest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on June 18, 2013, 01:51:41 PM
7:20 Sligo - Mighty Whitey
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 20, 2013, 03:51:48 PM
Ryan Moore A*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 20, 2013, 03:57:11 PM
That's it. I went straight back to work as soon as he passed the post. Not because I had Johnny backed, but because there'd be no watching the telly with all the fawning that'll be going on after that. The feckin commentator nearly et himself.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2013, 04:01:55 PM
Johnny was trapped wide the whole way and didn't really get the run of the race. If he was drawn down on the rail he would have won that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on June 20, 2013, 04:08:03 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the queen won sports personality of the year now!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 21, 2013, 11:55:35 AM
Anyone have any big fancies for todays racing?

I'm interested in Rehns nest of Jim bolgers in the big Fillies race,ran really well in the Irish Guineas when perhaps getting going a bit late but to my eyes looked like she would've give just the judge a race had she got going a bit earlier,just the judge is the favourite here and Rehns nest is available at 16/1, i think she could be a bit of value.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 21, 2013, 02:07:59 PM
I like Fahey's filly in the first. She mullered a strong field last time out at Naas.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on June 21, 2013, 03:28:02 PM
Connections fancy Inis Meain in the 4:25. They often do fancy their runners, though. My experience is that they haven't won every time I've had a tip but nearly always have a good rattle at it and lost one or two only through bad luck or bad rides (more often than not by the owner). I've a small e.w. interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on June 21, 2013, 08:36:51 PM
Lads we have a bit of a squeak in the Wokingham tomorrow with Gabriels lad, far too short now, he was 20/1 this day last week, but this has been the target since Kieren got off him after winning at Ascot last October and told us he would win the Wokingham !

We had him sold in Hong Kong prior to the race for what we considered a very respectable return on our investment but Kieren persuaded us to hang on to him with this race in mind, he likes Ascot , wont mind the drop of rain forecast tonight and is in good fettle, the draw is an unknown especially if the rain comes but Kieren and denis are confident so fingers crossed.

Just a quick mention for another runner tomorrow Ektihaam in the  Hardwicke, ran into his trainer last night who we knew well when he was assistant to Michael Jarvis and he was supremely confident that Ektihaam would win and win well tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on June 21, 2013, 09:37:44 PM
Good luck HoH.

Fine evening for Davy Condon in gods county....http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=69615&headline=Incredible-6-580-1-Condon-four-timer

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: homeofhurling8 on June 21, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Thanks BC, luck being the operative word ! Lost at Ascot with better horses than this lad but won with worse, its my favourite flat meeting by a country mile but the draw is a killer, you can have the best beast in the race but if he is drawn wrong your f***ed, just had dinner in our usual spot and as usual left with three "definite" winners at least per race for tomorrow, the joys of Ascot !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 22, 2013, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: homeofhurling8 on June 21, 2013, 08:36:51 PM
Just a quick mention for another runner tomorrow Ektihaam in the  Hardwicke, ran into his trainer last night who we knew well when he was assistant to Michael Jarvis and he was supremely confident that Ektihaam would win and win well tomorrow.

Ah jesus
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 30, 2013, 02:08:27 PM
so devoted in the last
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Candyman on July 03, 2013, 05:40:33 PM
Hidden Oasis fancied in the first... Price disappearing though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on July 23, 2013, 03:14:08 PM
Yous horsey men might be fit to answer this question,tho it might sound a little stupid.What does it actually mean when a horse has come off the bridle say,then you hear it's backin the bridle??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on July 23, 2013, 03:42:42 PM
Off the bridle means they are not racing anymore and falling back...on the bridle they are in the race pushing forward.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
A racehorse has a steel bit in its mouth. When a horse has plenty of energy and/or wants to go faster it takes a grip on the bit. You'll often see jockeys pulling on the reins to try and slow the horse down and stop it using up too much energy. When a horse is either getting tired or getting lazy they are no longer taking as firm a grip on the bit and the jockey has to push them along to try and maintain or improve the horse's position. Some horses go on and off the bridle during a race. Big Bucks would be an obvious example and you will often hear commentators saying that the horse in question has hit a flat spot. A lot of these horses will come back on the bridle after being bumped along by the jockey for a few strides.

Generally speaking, the longer a horse travels on the bit/bridle the better but it's not always the case. Have a look at the race below. Harchibald was swinging away on the bridle but finds nothing off it. Hardy Eustace was a lazy horse who would often come off the bridle long before the finish but he always found plenty for the jockey's pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PViYk2Py-PE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PViYk2Py-PE)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Family guy on July 24, 2013, 07:08:23 PM
Cheers dh
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on July 24, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
Hurry up national hunt season. The flat just doesn't do it for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on July 24, 2013, 11:18:37 PM
The 2005 Champion Hurdle. What a race. A golden era for Irish hurdlers here too.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Student Dissertation on July 29, 2013, 09:04:16 AM
Well DH, anything catch your eye on the opening day?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2013, 11:43:40 AM
No I tend to avoid Galway. It's a bookmaker's benefit of a meet. I have a few lined up for Goodwood but I'm not sure yet if they will run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 30, 2013, 12:12:42 PM
RIP Colm Murray.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on July 30, 2013, 12:45:39 PM
not really in the know but twitter seems to be cracking up over Goodwood watering the course before massive showers. Bookies must really be in the pockets of many a course clerk, surely summer flat racing is about good to firm racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 30, 2013, 05:06:36 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 30, 2013, 12:12:42 PM
RIP Colm Murray.

Made some great sporting occasions very special to thousands and thousands of Irish people.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 12, 2013, 10:27:15 AM
Today marks the tenth anniversary of Kieran Kelly's death.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/02/article-0-003C83C700000258-214_306x423.jpg)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on October 06, 2013, 10:13:44 AM
Big race at Longchamp today. Looks to be one of the most competitive Arc's ever.

The French maestro Andre Fabre a seven time winner of the race has five runners. Ocovango, Intello, Flintshire, Pengali Pavillion and Pirika.

Fillies have won three of the last five renewals but before that hadn't won for 15 years. Treve an interesting runner.

Japan have hit the crossbar in the past with El Condor Paso, Deep Impact, Nakayama Festa and Orfevre. Their two stars of 2013 Orfevre and Kizuna won both their trials. Could this be Japan's year?

And Aidan O'Brien with only one Arc to his name, the imperious Dylan Thomas, has two Classic winning 3 year olds in the mix. Leading Light and Ruler of the World.

Only two runners representing UK based trainers - Al Kazeem clearly the pick of those on form.

The stats are against the favourite Orfevre. It's over 20 years since the Prix Foy produced the winner of the Arc and there's only been seven 5yo+ winners, 2 in the last 60 years.

Treve is inexperienced. It does pay to stick with the 3 year old's however.

Leading Light is a hardy horse. And he's improving. He has that Giant's Causeway look about him. You won't get by him too easy.

Ocovango might prove to be the best of Andre Fabre's. I think he'll be the most suited by the conditions.

Kizuna finished in front of Ocovango in the Prix Niel and could finally end the Japanese jinx in this race. His jockey Yataka Take has had some nightmares in Longchamp before though.

1st - Leading Light
2nd - Ocovango
3rd - Kizuna
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
It's a pity Novelist is a non runner. He was an e/w bet to nothing with bookies paying the first four places.

My only interest in the race now is a lay of Treve. I'm not convinced her form is up to winning an Arc. The filly she beat the last day is a group 2 filly over a mile and six. Her run style leaves her vulnerable and I am also not a fan of Motivator as a sire.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2013, 03:19:44 PM
Ouch.  :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on October 06, 2013, 03:21:00 PM
Hope it wasn't too disastrous, DH.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2013, 03:26:15 PM
Not as bad as it could have been Hardy. Managed to get some of it back in-running after they turned in.

Ballydoyle's tactics were poor. Their runners needed a strong pace and not the dawdle they went at.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 28, 2013, 05:09:19 PM
Looks like the National hunt is back proper now  :D Some nice performances today from Defy logic,Don Cossack and rule the world and Mick Winters horse racing pulse in the bumper at Galway was mightily impressive too, let the fun begin  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 28, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
Akorakor not ready today ? Has to be better than that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 29, 2013, 02:14:53 AM
I think the drift said it all,i'd say he had a few too many carrots over the winter and will look a lot better next time out
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2013, 10:37:36 AM
Taquin Du Seuil makes his chasing debut at Ffos Las this afternoon. He should take high rank among the novices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: harlechman on October 29, 2013, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2013, 10:37:36 AM
Taquin Du Seuil makes his chasing debut at Ffos Las this afternoon. He should take high rank among the novices.
I think we'll be seeing plenty of winner arising from that Neptune last season, that was a high class renewal with The New One, Pont Alexandre, Rule The World and TDS.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2013, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: harlechman on October 29, 2013, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 29, 2013, 10:37:36 AM
Taquin Du Seuil makes his chasing debut at Ffos Las this afternoon. He should take high rank among the novices.
I think we'll be seeing plenty of winner arising from that Neptune last season, that was a high class renewal with The New One, Pont Alexandre, Rule The World and TDS.

He's on the easy list for the season unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: take_yer_points on October 30, 2013, 09:34:12 AM
I'm for Dundalk on Friday evening lads - any hints, tips or advice would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 30, 2013, 01:04:58 PM
Not a bad card today at Punchestown today, Mullins sends another interesting French recruit in the 1st and then there's a cracking looking beginners chase later in the card with Clonbanan lad who ran a good debut over fences at Listowel,Our Vinnie who was running a nice race in the Albert Bartlett before being brought down and Morning Assembly who won a grade 1 hurdle at the Punchestown Festival all involved and there's a Gigginstown horse Si Cetait Vrai that i know nothing about getting well backed,could be a race to throw up a few future winners.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 30, 2013, 04:01:43 PM
Just looking at the bumper there and i see Toe the line is 7/4,i think that could prove to be a big price,the horse she beat 1st time out has subsequently went off and demolished a field in Cork last week and apparently has been bought by Mc Manus for quite a few bob. It's not a gimme by any stretch of the imagination but i've a funny feeling if Mullins was the trainer of toe the line she'd be close to odds on. I'm hoping to get myself a few bob out of it anyway  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2013, 04:22:47 PM
Off to Down Royal Friday and Saturday, any tips lads don't be afraid to throw them up, AP McCoy is on a few horses looking to hity the 4000 mark this weekend
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2013, 04:30:02 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 30, 2013, 04:01:43 PM
Just looking at the bumper there and i see Toe the line is 7/4,i think that could prove to be a big price,the horse she beat 1st time out has subsequently went off and demolished a field in Cork last week and apparently has been bought by Mc Manus for quite a few bob. It's not a gimme by any stretch of the imagination but i've a funny feeling if Mullins was the trainer of toe the line she'd be close to odds on. I'm hoping to get myself a few bob out of it anyway  ;)

Expect Patrick will be awarded that one off his cousin in the steward's room. I'd always be wary of John Kiely's horses in bumpers. They're all up for sale and he likes them to be held up and produced very late because he thinks that makes them more marketable. Most bumpers turn into a 3 furlong sprint and it pays to be in a handy position when they kick.

Morning Assembly was quite impressive. He's only had 7 runs so there should be a load of improvement in him. He looks like a real stayer for the future.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 30, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
Sam Twiston Davies riding Tidal Bay and Unioniste for Nicholls at the weekend.

Nick Schofield getting the Down Royal rides apparently.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 30, 2013, 04:46:15 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2013, 04:30:02 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 30, 2013, 04:01:43 PM
Just looking at the bumper there and i see Toe the line is 7/4,i think that could prove to be a big price,the horse she beat 1st time out has subsequently went off and demolished a field in Cork last week and apparently has been bought by Mc Manus for quite a few bob. It's not a gimme by any stretch of the imagination but i've a funny feeling if Mullins was the trainer of toe the line she'd be close to odds on. I'm hoping to get myself a few bob out of it anyway  ;)

Expect Patrick will be awarded that one off his cousin in the steward's room. I'd always be wary of John Kiely's horses in bumpers. They're all up for sale and he likes them to be held up and produced very late because he thinks that makes them more marketable. Most bumpers turn into a 3 furlong sprint and it pays to be in a handy position when they kick.

Morning Assembly was quite impressive. He's only had 7 runs so there should be a load of improvement in him. He looks like a real stayer for the future.

Yeah Morning assembly looked quite good alright,there was about a length between the 1st 3 at the 2nd last and come the line he's about 4 lengths clear off the well punted 2nd. I'd expect Our Vinnie to improve a tonne for that run,not sure where he finished but the trip was probably too short anyway and the big drift before the off told the story,bit annoyed with Myself after having a decent bet on that Toe the line,i'd usuallyonly put peanuts on a bumper unless i know something the bookies don't, oh well i'll learn yet  :-[

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2013, 04:22:47 PM
Off to Down Royal Friday and Saturday, any tips lads don't be afraid to throw them up, AP McCoy is on a few horses looking to hity the 4000 mark this weekend
Quote from: take_yer_points on October 30, 2013, 09:34:12 AM
I'm for Dundalk on Friday evening lads - any hints, tips or advice would be much appreciated!
After that last 1 you'll not be wanting any tips off me lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2013, 04:49:42 PM
Our Vinnie is probably a long term plot for the four miler at Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 30, 2013, 04:50:05 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 30, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
Sam Twiston Davies riding Tidal Bay and Unioniste for Nicholls at the weekend.

Nick Schofield getting the Down Royal rides apparently.

Jacob suspended or what? Think Sam's a cracking young jock so won't be any kind of Hinderance though i still won't be backing either horse, Might Back At Fishers cross To beat Tidal bay if he's odds against, he's a bit of a star in the making.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on October 30, 2013, 05:18:01 PM
Jacob injured.

Surprised he hasn't been able to get Ruby at Down Royal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
Prince De Beauchene is down to run on Saturday so that rules Walsh out of riding for Nicholls.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 07, 2013, 05:43:48 PM
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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
Great to see an Antrim man who is an out and out winner, 4000 may never be surpassed. dont know about missing dinners 3 nights a wk craic, thats staravtion, some determination needed there to keep in same,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 07, 2013, 07:45:45 PM
Well done that man. Some will power required over the past 20 years!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 07, 2013, 08:46:53 PM
Almost as impressive as Phil The Power!  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 07, 2013, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 07, 2013, 08:46:53 PM
Almost as impressive as Phil The Power!  :P

similar physique !!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 17, 2013, 12:23:30 PM
Serious bit of racing today, both at punchestown and cheltenham, had planned to go to punchestown to see the hurricane make history but booking my accomadation for cheltenham in march in the morning so something had to give :P i expect defy logic to put down a marker today in the 2 miler and will be good to see who gets the better between don cossack and morning assembly in the 1.40, i for one won't  be backing anything in it.over at cheltenham i can see thomas edison go well, looked a bit of a star as a bumper horse but has disapppointed over hurdles but ive thought for a while martin's  been lining up something for him and he's  been well backed all week so.............                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             i expect the liquidator  to win his race and i think ill back him as well as dodging bullets who impressed  me on his chasing debut, if sire de grugy goes odds on  ill lay him , looks a lot more competitive race to my eyes than the bookies seem to think. if i havent mentioned a winner there i think i'lll quit 8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 18, 2013, 12:06:25 PM
I know its early days etc but has anyone any long terms ante post speculative views at this stage for the festival ?

That Annie Power looks like some prospect but what race would it be likely to go for in March? Champion hurdle its around 16/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 18, 2013, 02:55:49 PM
Mullins said the other day that he had a plan for annie power in the back of his head but was going to keep it there for a while  :'(

It is a bit of a nightmare trying to figure out which way the mullins horses will go. Unbelievable depth in the yard now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2013, 04:06:21 PM
I think Annie Power will go for the Hattons Grace first time out. I wouldn't be sure she will even go to Cheltenham after skipping it this year.

The strength in depth that Mullins has is incredible. He will totally dominate this season which won't make for good viewing to be honest. You can see why Walsh gave up his gig with Nicholls. It's great to see so many of these good horses being kept in Ireland but it's not good for the game if they're all concentrated in the one yard.

Briar Hill out over hurdles tomorrow at Wexford. Another one of his potential stars.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 19, 2013, 02:22:55 PM
Annie Power entered at Ascot on Saturday. http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/cards/card.sd?race_id=589877&r_date=2013-11-23#raceTabs=sc_

Maybe Willie will start targeting Saturdays in UK after all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 19, 2013, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on November 19, 2013, 02:22:55 PM
Annie Power entered at Ascot on Saturday. http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/cards/card.sd?race_id=589877&r_date=2013-11-23#raceTabs=sc_

Maybe Willie will start targeting Saturdays in UK after all.

He has to unless he wants two or three of his good horses running against each other over here all the time. It won't take long before there are a few noses put out of joint across the water if he starts winning those Saturday races on a regular basis.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on November 19, 2013, 04:58:20 PM
Nice prize and conditions of that race suiting her.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Count 10 on November 19, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
Paul Carberry back tomorrow 8)....get the santa money!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 19, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: Count 10 on November 19, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
Paul Carberry back tomorrow 8)....get the santa money!!

Now that's what i've been waiting to hear  :D Might play up some of the weekends winnings,he on anything appealling?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 22, 2013, 02:27:21 PM
Nice day for favourite backers so far  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 22, 2013, 04:46:20 PM
Been a while since we had a tip on here so f*** it.

Got a wire for RECKLESS LAD in the 8.50 @ Dundalk tonight. 7/1 available, had a few quid each way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 22, 2013, 08:25:52 PM
Ah go on then ill have a 5r e/w for the fun of it  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on November 22, 2013, 11:25:10 PM
Why is Bobs Worth such a big price tomorrow? Outstanding value for me
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on November 23, 2013, 02:12:12 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 22, 2013, 04:46:20 PM
Been a while since we had a tip on here so f*** it.

Got a wire for RECKLESS LAD in the 8.50 @ Dundalk tonight. 7/1 available, had a few quid each way.

hope its a while before u give us another one of your wires ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 23, 2013, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: ardchieftain on November 22, 2013, 11:25:10 PM
Why is Bobs Worth such a big price tomorrow? Outstanding value for me

1st run of the season,won't be anywhere near 100 percent i wouldn't think as i've heard Henderson say before he's hard to train.
In the Gold cup he was outpaced for a long way on a stiffer track over a longer trip so i could see him being left with a lot to do here plus i'd be doubting Geraghty will go too hard on him if push comes to shove and he doesn't look to have a good chance as all roads lead to March. I think 9/4 is about right.

I think i'll back Cue Card at about 9/1 e/w, i'd expect him to come on a lot from his debut run and think he's worth another crack at this trip (wasn't exactly stopping in the ryanair) so at the prices i'll have a few bob on him but long run could be another bit of value,i've never been his biggest fan and he ran awful last time out and his jumping leaves a lot to be desired but if anywhere near his best odds of about 12/1 could look big but i'll not be backing.
I think Silviniaco Conti is massively over rated and Ruby made him look twice the horse he was last year,i'd be shocked if he won.
He'll prob put in 1 of the greatest performances in decades now   :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on November 23, 2013, 03:22:04 PM
Japers! That was some performance from Cue Card. 4/1 for the Gold Cup now. Bobs Worth 7/2 fav.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 23, 2013, 03:59:43 PM
Sometimes gambling is quite fun  ;D

That was some performance,threw in some cracking jumps,can't believe how cool Tizzard stayed when Dynaste came upsides  :o 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 23, 2013, 04:44:43 PM
Well done BB. Cue Card is bred for staying trips. His dam ran in the Grand National for Eddie Hales. That has really shaken up the Gold Cup market.

A pleasing return for Annie Power. She should improve from here but interesting to see where they go now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on November 23, 2013, 06:19:02 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 23, 2013, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: ardchieftain on November 22, 2013, 11:25:10 PM
Why is Bobs Worth such a big price tomorrow? Outstanding value for me

1st run of the season,won't be anywhere near 100 percent i wouldn't think as i've heard Henderson say before he's hard to train.
In the Gold cup he was outpaced for a long way on a stiffer track over a longer trip so i could see him being left with a lot to do here plus i'd be doubting Geraghty will go too hard on him if push comes to shove and he doesn't look to have a good chance as all roads lead to March. I think 9/4 is about right.

I think i'll back Cue Card at about 9/1 e/w, i'd expect him to come on a lot from his debut run and think he's worth another crack at this trip (wasn't exactly stopping in the ryanair) so at the prices i'll have a few bob on him but long run could be another bit of value,i've never been his biggest fan and he ran awful last time out and his jumping leaves a lot to be desired but if anywhere near his best odds of about 12/1 could look big but i'll not be backing.
I think Silviniaco Conti is massively over rated and Ruby made him look twice the horse he was last year,i'd be shocked if he won.
He'll prob put in 1 of the greatest performances in decades now   :P

I really wish I had logged on here this morning, wasted a score on silviniaco.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on November 23, 2013, 08:48:56 PM
Well done beer baron. Great win for cue card, i honestly never expected him to stay the distance on that ground.
Annie Power, what's the verdict? Looks more of a stayer to me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 23, 2013, 09:00:55 PM
I'll say one thing,if she goes for the Champion hurdle i wouldn't back her with counterfeit! Not quick enough at her hurdles and looked out paced for a moment over 2 mile 3 against an over rated horse in Zarkandar getting 11 pounds off him,doesn't look the star to my eyes that they think they have  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 23, 2013, 09:02:18 PM
Out of interest what is the mares allowance in the Champion hurdle does anyone know?I'm sure DH does, is it 5 or 7 pound?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 23, 2013, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: beer baron on November 23, 2013, 09:02:18 PM
Out of interest what is the mares allowance in the Champion hurdle does anyone know?I'm sure DH does, is it 5 or 7 pound?

7 lbs.

Dawn Run would be laughing if she was around nowadays!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on November 27, 2013, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 22, 2013, 04:46:20 PM
Been a while since we had a tip on here so f*** it.

Got a wire for RECKLESS LAD in the 8.50 @ Dundalk tonight. 7/1 available, had a few quid each way.

Won the 7.45pm at Dundalk there tonight. Backed from 12s to 8/1. Of course tonight I didn't back it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on December 01, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
Fairyhouse should be informative today.

Been pricewised so value probably gone but keen on gambling girl.

Think Zaidpour a big price too. Not sure about Jezki at trip and heard ducked Hurricane Fly because he worked badly beforehand.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 26, 2013, 01:20:31 AM
Jasus this thread is wild quiet considering Stephens Day is one of the busiest racing days in the year...any fancies for tomorrow? who's gonna win the king George? what about the Irish racing tomorrow? I know Hurricane Fly and Our Conor will fight it out I think its Saturday but what other races should we be paying attention too before then?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 26, 2013, 09:26:49 AM
I think the new one will beat My tent or yours at Kempton today in the Xmas hurdle and become hot favourite for the Champion hurdle.

As for the King George i'd be keen on Cue card only for the virus in the yard,might have a few bob e/w  on Mount Benbulben for an interest,if he sorts out his jumping there's a lot of horse underneath and i think he's about 14/1. Over here i wouldn't be overly surprised to see defy logic turn over Champagne fever today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 26, 2013, 09:29:55 AM
Jaysus i just checked and Cue card's 7/2,i might just back him after all, i thought he'd be about 2/1   :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2013, 11:02:25 AM
I think Kid Cassidy will take the beating in the dial-a-bet tomorrow. He's a bit of a nut case but they seemed to have found the key to him at the open meeting and that form has held up well. Sizing Europe is in decline and I don't think Arvika Ligeonnaire is as good going left handed. I can see McCoy producing him with a winning run after the last provided he puts in a clear round.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2013, 11:06:31 AM
Everything else at Leopardstown and Limerick looks like a Mullins benefit over the next few days. Can see a similar story with Henderson across the water with the exception of the King George. I won't be having a bet in it but it wouldn't surprise me if Dynaste turned around Haydock form with Cue Card.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 26, 2013, 11:34:21 AM
The King George is wide open for sure. Cases can be made for the entire field so I won't be going mad but for an interest, I think Silviniaco Conti could just about be the safest bet. I've always like him - I think he's a lovely jumper, he stays and I know he likes the ground. He travelled well in the Gold Cup before falling, a fall I would put down to the way he stands off the fences which is a good thing because he'll make ground on his rivals too with that kind of jumping.

I'd question where the pace will come from in the Christmas Hurdle. It might not be the end-to-end test that I think My Tent or Yours prefers and I could see him pulling early on. At Cheltenham, I think conditions will be more in his favour. I know a lot of people are hinting that it's The New One who'll prefer Cheltenham but in a big field and a fast pace, I would prefer My Tent or Yours.

Looking to the rest of the week, the above poster seems to be forgetting about Jezki. The vibes have hardly been encouraging regarding Our Conor and he didn't run as well as hoped on the flat. I willa lso be opposing Hurricane Fly from now until Cheltenham, he's nearly 10, he's had a lot of racing, his main rivals are many years younger than him and at the likely prices, he's probably worth avoiding. At least until we saw he's back to his best which I don't think think he was at in the Morgiana.

I also think 2 miles in a Grade 1 is not what Arvika Legionnaire is looking for. His jumping might be found out.



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on December 27, 2013, 09:10:40 AM
Home Farm worth a punt in the Paddy Power Chase? PP are paying 5 places.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 27, 2013, 01:08:46 PM
I actually think arvika could destroy this field,right handed soft ground do him lovely today. As for the paddy power cause of causes has a cracking  chance and I've been waiting for him to step up in trip for a while and will be disappointed if he doesnt place,mind you its a tight handicap and plenty will fancy their horses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 27, 2013, 01:19:43 PM
I'd have a slight concern about this trip for Arvika Ligeoinnaire. Also Leopardstown is a left-handed track.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 27, 2013, 01:21:16 PM
Leopardstownleft handed actually isn't it?ah jays us in not sure I'd have backed him if i had my wits bout me.do
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 27, 2013, 01:23:05 PM
Just seen or msg sets i must a been feck in think in of Punchestown

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2013, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 27, 2013, 01:23:05 PM
Just seen or msg sets i must a been feck in think in of Punchestown
Well in contention but didn't have any speed in the end, jumped really well too
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 27, 2013, 02:05:11 PM
Willie Mullins will have some recovery job to do after the Christmas racing is over! How many is that now?

Champagne Fever 8/15 beaten but ran well
Felix Younger 2/5 was very poor
Arivka Ligeonniere 7/4 beaten but ran okay
Analifet 30/100 pulled up and out for the season
Ivan Grozny 1/1 just beaten
Rennati 9/10 fell at the second last
Moyle Park 5/4 wasn't great

Saying all that he still managed 3 winners yesterday!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on December 27, 2013, 02:10:51 PM
Tullow Tank stayed on well there, thought he was beat but found plenty.

Mullins is definitely having a lean enough time at the moment considering the ammunition he has.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 27, 2013, 08:41:45 PM
Quite odd ride from Ruby on AL, I thought he'd sit just behind sizing Europe,can't remember the horse ever being held up before  ??? Then as if just to sicken me Ruby manages to keep rockyaboya ahead of cause of causes on the run in when i was sure i was gonna get up  :-[

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 28, 2013, 12:57:45 PM
My stats-based ratings for the Welsh National:

Highland Lodge     27.35
Vintage Star     24.29
Hawkes Point    23.93
Well Refreshed    23.93
Amigo     23.27
Teaforthree     20.87
Goulanes     20.87
Wyck Hill     20.87
Knock A Hand     20.87
Mountainous     20.87
Red Rocco     20.87
One In A Milan     20.87
Goonyella     20.51
Merry King     20.13
Tour Des Champs     19.87
Chartreux     19.85
Ace High    17.64
Hey Big Spender     17.46
Tidal Bay     17.10
Harouet     16.45
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2013, 03:18:57 PM
Id a fiver each way on Hawkes point. Raging was looking good on last jump. Great race though Tidal bay was looking a bigger threat
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on December 28, 2013, 08:00:03 PM
Bobs Worth back with a bang.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: our_fella on December 28, 2013, 08:05:25 PM
CMONNNNN Our Conor!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 29, 2013, 09:37:10 AM
Hurricane fly to do the business again today followed home by Jezki,can't have our Conor at all.

The  Topaz Novice chase  looks a lovely race today that could reveal a lot for the year ahead,Morning assembly has been the best horse over here so far to my eyes but Bright New dawn's one i expect to turn out a bit of a star over fences and have him backed for the RSA at Cheltenham so hopefully runs well,but in truth most in the field will fancy their chances since Ballycaseys withdrawal earlier in the week.

p.s any looking to back antepost for Cheltenham Bet victor are Non runner free bet
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 29, 2013, 11:37:01 AM
Sprinter Sacre heartbeat rights itself
Sprinter Sacre is due to return to Nicky Henderson's yard today after his heart problem "righted itself", the trainer has said. More to follow . . . 22 mins ago


Took that from the Racingpost website,can this actually happen?Henderson was hardly at any carry on with as good a horse as SS?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: our_fella on December 29, 2013, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 29, 2013, 09:37:10 AM
Hurricane fly to do the business again today followed home by Jezki,can't have our Conor at all.

The  Topaz Novice chase  looks a lovely race today that could reveal a lot for the year ahead,Morning assembly has been the best horse over here so far to my eyes but Bright New dawn's one i expect to turn out a bit of a star over fences and have him backed for the RSA at Cheltenham so hopefully runs well,but in truth most in the field will fancy their chances since Ballycaseys withdrawal earlier in the week.

p.s any looking to back antepost for Cheltenham Bet victor are Non runner free bet

Your the boy!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on December 29, 2013, 02:52:37 PM
HF done the business again...what a horse.  That horse has made many men a lot of money over the years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 29, 2013, 07:32:43 PM
Lovely Stuff by Hurricane fly again today, i booked a trip to Cheltenham a few weeks back with one of the key reasons being i didn't want to miss it if he managed to win a 3rd Champion Hurdle, it'll be very tough for him to do so but at the minute it's far from impossible and all going well i'd expect a place at least unless a few horses come from nowhere.

Quite disappointed that Carlingford Lough won The Topaz today and i'd say it was experience really that won it for him and would be surprised if he turns out the best of the field, as for my Bright new dawn i thought he jumped beautifully bar 2 jumps to the right and if Davy can get him to settle he'll be worth following in future  :D

Shanahans turn who won the Maiden hurdle could be a nice horse to follow too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2013, 07:47:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 29, 2013, 07:32:43 PM
Lovely Stuff by Hurricane fly again today, i booked a trip to Cheltenham a few weeks back with one of the key reasons being i didn't want to miss it if he managed to win a 3rd Champion Hurdle, it'll be very tough for him to do so but at the minute it's far from impossible and all going well i'd expect a place at least unless a few horses come from nowhere.

Quite disappointed that Carlingford Lough won The Topaz today and i'd say it was experience really that won it for him and would be surprised if he turns out the best of the field, as for my Bright new dawn i thought he jumped beautifully bar 2 jumps to the right and if Davy can get him to settle he'll be worth following in future  :D

Shanahans turn who won the Maiden hurdle could be a nice horse to follow too.

Enjoy. The Tuesday of Cheltenham week is the best sporting atmosphere I've experienced apart from your own county in the All Ireland Final.

Great race today. Throw in the two horses who fought out the finish of the Kempton hurdle and possibly Un De Sceaux and we have a vintage renewal ahead of us. It will be incredible if three or four of them jump the last together. I find it hard to understand why Hurricane Fly isn't clear favourite.

I'd agree with regard to the Topaz. Morning Assembly looks the horse with the most scope to improve but I've yet to see a superstar in waiting among this season's novices on both sides of the Irish Sea. I've a few antepost bets on Ballycasey but I would like to see him getting more experience. That Sun Alliance nearly always goes the way of a real hardy sort.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 30, 2013, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2013, 07:47:16 PM
I find it hard to understand why Hurricane Fly isn't clear favourite.


I can't see any reason either, other than the weight of English money combined with Channel 4 hype. They way they were going on you'd think there were only two horses in it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 31, 2013, 12:33:35 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 30, 2013, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2013, 07:47:16 PM
I find it hard to understand why Hurricane Fly isn't clear favourite.


I can't see any reason either, other than the weight of English money combined with Channel 4 hype. They way they were going on you'd think there were only two horses in it.

Proven championship race form should always trump potential which is all that the second season novices have at the moment. Racing Post Ratings have him 1 lb inferior to The New One and My Tent Or Yours which is ridiculous. The latter couldn't go past Champagne Fever last March.

I don't think Hurricane Fly will ever get the credit he deserves on either side of the Irish Sea. I can understand the subconscious bias of the English but he doesn't seem to generate half the affection from the Irish racing public that Istabraq received despite having very few flaws and turning up to every single c**k fight year in, year out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 31, 2013, 08:53:45 AM
We normally stay in Bristol for the festival but are staying in Birmingham this year. Have any of you ever stayed in Birmingham and travelled to the Cotswolds?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on December 31, 2013, 10:11:04 AM
I disagree DH - Hurricane Fly is a brilliant horse. Everyone in Ireland recognizes that. He is on a par with Istabraq. 

It's natural when a horse dominates like Hurricane Fly is at the moment that people want to see new horses come along and put it up to them. At their respective peaks, the likes of Kauto Star, Frankel and Sea The Stars all had their doubters.

Also future odds are not an indication of a horse's career. Personally I think Hurricane Fly is short enough at 3/1 when you consider he'll be 10 when the race is run, he was outpaced down the back straight last year, he's never exactly run right up to his very best at Cheltenham, he is facing probably the strongest field of pretenders in a Champion Hurdle that he has ever faced, the likely faster ground is bound to bring out more improvement in the opposition than him. So it depends how you interpret these things. Proven championship form might trump all these things in the eyes of some people.

What it comes down to in my opinion is that one of the novice hurdlers from last year is going to turn out to be very good. Hurricane Fly was beat by Rock On Ruby in 2012. The season just gone he beat him by 2.5L. I would say at least one of the new generation of hurdlers will in time prove themselves to be 2.5L better than Rock On Ruby.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 31, 2013, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on December 31, 2013, 10:11:04 AM
I disagree DH - Hurricane Fly is a brilliant horse. Everyone in Ireland recognizes that. He is on a par with Istabraq. 

I'm not sure they do. I've heard plenty of people knocking his form down the years. Ironically this includes a few men who couldn't train horses to win schooling hurdles, let alone Champion Hurdles! Istabraq would put an extra 50% on the gate even if he just turned up for a racecourse gallop. Hurricane Fly hasn't received the same adulation up to this point. Maybe it says more about Istabraq and the whole story that surrounded him - John Durkan's tragic illness, horse with with an exceptional flat pedigree & stabled at the greatest training yard in the world.

Obviously there's more to making a market than pure form but I'd definitely have Hurricane Fly a point or two shorter than the two horses who ran at Kempton. I'd agree that he has run a few lbs below his Leopardstown/Punchestown best in his three runs at Cheltenham but I feel the others have even greater question marks over their Cheltenham form. JP's two horses were behind Champagne Fever over c&d last March. He's nowhere near Champion Hurdle class. Our Conor's Cheltenham win was visually very impressive but it was on the stiffer new course on borderline heavy ground with Bryan Cooper in the plate. Danny Mullins is no Bryan Cooper and the big handicaps so far this season have done nothing to suggest it was anything other than a distinctly average crop of juveniles that he beat. The New One's festival form also leaves him with plenty to find. Rule The World who he beat into second has finished well behind Zaidpour in two runs over staying trips this season.

Obviously they're all second season novices so they should have serious improvement in them and it is possible that one or two of them will make the requisite improvement. I just don't think they justify favouritism over Hurricane Fly at this juncture.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 31, 2013, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 31, 2013, 08:53:45 AM
We normally stay in Bristol for the festival but are staying in Birmingham this year. Have any of you ever stayed in Birmingham and travelled to the Cotswolds?

Gloucester is the furthest away that I have stayed. Birmingham is a fair old trek from Cheltenham but if you can get a decent deal on a train or coach there is probably big savings to be made on accommodation.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 31, 2013, 11:49:47 AM
Cheers DH,it'll be my 1st trip over so i'm pretty excited about it,going for the 1st 2 days this year and if i enjoy it as much as i expect i'll prob do the full week  next year, as for Hurricane fly i'd agree with you i think he gets nowhere near the credit he deserves,i've lost count of the times pals of mine have told me  bridle ponce/he's finished/has beaten nothing/is only a small field bully etc. only the other night before he ran i was chatting to a group of about 8 or 9 friends who'd all be punters and there was only 2 of us that were going to back HF, the rest were mostly Our Conor and the general consensus was HF would be in 3rd behind OC and Jezki because he's finished  ::) Mind you it's this lack of respect that lets him be widely available at 5/4 the other morning so it's not all bad  ;D I'd safely say without checking that Istabraq was very rarely odds against yet HF has been at least 3 or 4 times the past few seasons  :D

Imagine what he would've done to that supreme field had he turned up that day considering how easily go native won after him laughing at GN 2 or 3 months previously
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 31, 2013, 05:57:15 PM
Gigginstown and Russell have parted ways it would appear. Nice job for whoever gets it, i presume it's Coopers?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on January 03, 2014, 05:02:46 PM
Sir Des out for the season. Tendon injury. Shite.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on January 03, 2014, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on December 31, 2013, 08:53:45 AM
We normally stay in Bristol for the festival but are staying in Birmingham this year. Have any of you ever stayed in Birmingham and travelled to the Cotswolds?

Talking there as if you go to the festival every year. Aye right.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 03, 2014, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 31, 2013, 05:57:15 PM
Gigginstown and Russell have parted ways it would appear. Nice job for whoever gets it, i presume it's Coopers?

Cooper is hugely accomplished for his age and will be a success but Russell deserved a bit better. These retainers often seem to come to a rather acrimonious end.


Quote from: Don Johnson on January 03, 2014, 05:02:46 PM
Sir Des out for the season. Tendon injury. Shite.

A tendon injury is a disaster for a horse. I hope it's not too severe because they never seem to fully recover their ability after a bad one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridgegael on January 03, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
Lost a winning horse docket this week. Wat are my chances of getting the winnings. Its paddy power. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 03, 2014, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 03, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
Lost a winning horse docket this week. Wat are my chances of getting the winnings. Its paddy power.

Should be no problem,they'll ask you roughly what time it was placed at and will ask you to re-write the docket to ensure they've got the right docket up on the screen,has happened me 3 or 4 times,once for a decent payout and never had any hassle getting paid.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 03, 2014, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 03, 2014, 05:02:46 PM
Sir Des out for the season. Tendon injury. Shite.

Despite all his artillery this could end up a relatively disappointing enough season for Mullins,that's 2 of his stronger fancies for Cheltenham (Annalifet and SDC)  out and joining the likes of Pont Alexandra,Un atout already out for the season add to that Back in Focus hasn't seen a track since April and he'll be cursing his luck,in saying that even with all them injuries i'm sure any other trainer would love to be in his position  with the ammo he still has
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 15, 2014, 09:15:24 PM
Last Instalment makes his long overdue comeback tomorrow,hopefully he retains plenty of ability because he put in a serious jumping performance when beating First lieutenant as a novice,trip tomorrow might be short of his optimum but should still be interesting to watch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 15, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 15, 2014, 09:15:24 PM
Last Instalment makes his long overdue comeback tomorrow,hopefully he retains plenty of ability because he put in a serious jumping performance when beating First lieutenant as a novice,trip tomorrow might be short of his optimum but should still be interesting to watch.

The trip will probably be on the sharp side for him tomorrow. He always shaped like he would stay 3m+. Hopefully he retains his ability because Fenton deserves some good luck.

Clondaw Court is in the novice hurdle as well. He will want to jump a lot better than he did at Leopardstown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: FermGael on January 22, 2014, 06:45:16 PM
Barney, Barney, Barney. He has done it again. Bookie bashing
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 22, 2014, 06:47:55 PM
Fair play to him, 4 horses laid out for the gamble. Fermanagh's finest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 22, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 22, 2014, 06:45:16 PM
Barney, Barney, Barney. He has done it again. Bookie bashing

If only Quinn had invested in his fellow Fermanagh man instead of Anglo.

Tremendous coup. Bravo Barney.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 22, 2014, 07:03:10 PM
What a job landed,i heard about it this morning but seen too many of these gambles being bull to bother my arse joining in but still cheered the last 1 home, be fun to see how many bookies try delay payment  to the boys with the bigger money on at the best prices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 24, 2014, 07:49:14 AM
Why is Darroun running at Wolverhampton tonight? Strange one. Might be worth an interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 24, 2014, 11:23:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 24, 2014, 07:49:14 AM
Why is Darroun running at Wolverhampton tonight? Strange one. Might be worth an interest.

16/1 outsider in the race? Do you know something the bookies don't
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 12:12:08 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how the ordinary punter views this kind of stunt as a triumph. Everyone else who bet on those races was robbed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on January 24, 2014, 12:23:56 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 12:12:08 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how the ordinary punter views this kind of stunt as a triumph. Everyone else who bet on those races was robbed.

How so ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 24, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
deiseach if you ever try and land a handicap with 1 horse and see the effort that goes into it you'll realise just how outstanding an achievement it is to get all them horses to a nice mark and pick the right race and get them all there sound on the day, It's the work of a genius.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 24, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
deiseach if you ever try and land a handicap with 1 horse and see the effort that goes into it you'll realise just how outstanding an achievement it is to get all them horses to a nice mark and pick the right race and get them all there sound on the day, It's the work of a genius.

I've no doubt it's brilliant. But insider trading on the stock exchange can be brilliant too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on January 24, 2014, 12:43:37 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 24, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
deiseach if you ever try and land a handicap with 1 horse and see the effort that goes into it you'll realise just how outstanding an achievement it is to get all them horses to a nice mark and pick the right race and get them all there sound on the day, It's the work of a genius.

Precisely. I heard a few bookies on the radio the other day crying about how the other punters were hoodwinked backing different horses in good faith. They arent too concerned about the other punters any other day of the week. If they want it to be all fair and lovely, would they like all races to go down the non handicap route and everyone off level weights. That would be fairer to the punter but somehow i dont think the bookies would like this. Hell slap it up them and fair play to anyone that got on it in any shape or form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on January 24, 2014, 12:23:56 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 12:12:08 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how the ordinary punter views this kind of stunt as a triumph. Everyone else who bet on those races was robbed.

How so ?

You can't see anything wrong with this? It's insider trading. The average punter has no way of knowing that Curley's horses are really well up to the task rather than out-of-shape nags. Now, I realise this is considered acceptable behaviour in the horse racing world. For those of us on the outside looking in, it confirms to us a sport that is bent.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on January 24, 2014, 12:43:37 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 24, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
deiseach if you ever try and land a handicap with 1 horse and see the effort that goes into it you'll realise just how outstanding an achievement it is to get all them horses to a nice mark and pick the right race and get them all there sound on the day, It's the work of a genius.

Precisely. I heard a few bookies on the radio the other day crying about how the other punters were hoodwinked backing different horses in good faith. They arent too concerned about the other punters any other day of the week. If they want it to be all fair and lovely, would they like all races to go down the non handicap route and everyone off level weights. That would be fairer to the punter but somehow i dont think the bookies would like this. Hell slap it up them and fair play to anyone that got on it in any shape or form.

That's how Barney Curley gets away with it. Shure it's only the bookies he's ripping off. But the bookies will get their money back the only way they now how - by ripping off the punter some more.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 12:54:19 PM
I see the BHA are thinking about investigating (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jan/23/bookmakers-pay-promptly-after-coup-barney-curley):

QuoteRobin Mounsey, spokesman for the British Horseracing Authority, said a review into the previous performances of the horses concerned is still in progress.

"We take any issue which might affect the betting public's perception of the sport seriously and would act if, and only if, breaches of the rules of racing could be established," Mounsey said.

"Our integrity team was aware of, and closely monitored, Wednesday's sequence of events from their outset, including liaising with the stewards at each of the courses as to the betting patterns and other information, and are now collating the full set of circumstances. As part of this process we will be reviewing the previous rides given to these horses to establish whether any breaches of the rules might have been committed."

A case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, if ever there was one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 24, 2014, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 12:54:19 PM
I see the BHA are thinking about investigating (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jan/23/bookmakers-pay-promptly-after-coup-barney-curley):

QuoteRobin Mounsey, spokesman for the British Horseracing Authority, said a review into the previous performances of the horses concerned is still in progress.

"We take any issue which might affect the betting public's perception of the sport seriously and would act if, and only if, breaches of the rules of racing could be established," Mounsey said.

"Our integrity team was aware of, and closely monitored, Wednesday's sequence of events from their outset, including liaising with the stewards at each of the courses as to the betting patterns and other information, and are now collating the full set of circumstances. As part of this process we will be reviewing the previous rides given to these horses to establish whether any breaches of the rules might have been committed."

A case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, if ever there was one.

No rules broken and they know it,just trying to make it look like they're busy  ;D

Any punter that cleans the bookies to me is doing a good job,i don't know what it was like 20 or 30 years ago but apparently you could get good bets on with almost any bookmakers and it was a bit of a duel between punter and bookie,these days all the odds are stacked in the bookies favour with the technology at their disposal and you'd do well to get 100 e/w on a decent priced horse these days and they'll shut your online accounts if you look like making a profit consistently,yet if you were to walk in with a few hundred quid and asked to put it on a cartoon race you'll have no problem whatsoever  ::) 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 24, 2014, 01:32:15 PM
No rules broken and they know it,just trying to make it look like they're busy  ;D

Any punter that cleans the bookies to me is doing a good job,i don't know what it was like 20 or 30 years ago but apparently you could get good bets on with almost any bookmakers and it was a bit of a duel between punter and bookie,these days all the odds are stacked in the bookies favour with the technology at their disposal and you'd do well to get 100 e/w on a decent priced horse these days and they'll shut your online accounts if you look like making a profit consistently,yet if you were to walk in with a few hundred quid and asked to put it on a cartoon race you'll have no problem whatsoever  ::)

I see what you are saying. Thanks for the informed feedback.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 24, 2014, 01:40:10 PM
And Barney the boy still hasn't admitted having any involvement i don't think  ;D The man could be getting the blame/praise when he had nothing to do with it  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2014, 02:05:50 PM
The handicap system is inherently flawed and always has been. Anyone racing their horse genuinely to win every single handicap they enter probably won't last long at the training game.

I'm not talking about blatantly stopping horses (which does happen frequently), but there are ways and means of not showing the handicapper your full hand and getting your horse weighted out of future handicaps as a result. Mark Prescott in England is a genius at it. He'll run horses with plenty of stamina in their pedigree over sprint distances. They'll be hopelessly outpaced in each race and the handicapper will give them a low rating after their third race. He'll step them up in trip on their fourth run and they will duly bolt up over a distance that is a lot more suitable. Other trainers will run them on unsuitable ground, unsuitable tracks, when they're half fit, haven't been schooled properly etc. Get them on a low mark that can be exploited and then work from there.

At Cheltenham in a few weeks time, most of the field in those handicaps will have been plotted up since the start of the season in October for that one day in March and they will be at least a few pounds ahead of the handicapper. It's why a lot of punters will tend to avoid the handicaps and focus on the quality races run off level weights.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 24, 2014, 05:08:49 PM
Deiseach makes valid points. He's right and I agree with him.

But I suppose when it's of the order of 2.5 million, it deserves some credit too. Pulling a stunt like this I would say appeals to the every day punter because it proves it's possible to win big.

Secondly I would not be a person who'd bet on those kind of weekday races so I'm not going to be affected by the scheming of some trainers. Not to say it doesn't happen on Saturdays too but even then I tend to stick to graded races.

Personally I think the whole thing is a great story. Well done to whoever put it all together. It shows what can be achieved with some decent planning.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 25, 2014, 12:17:03 AM
The whole game is bent, if you dont start from that premise you shouldn't be a punter imo, any bet i do (especially all-weather betting) i would try & factor in when they are likely to be even trying. From crooked trainers, bent jockies, a betting industry that doesn't even legally have to stand over a bet, regularly get horses pulled from races so they dont have to pay EW.

Well played Barney & hell slap it up the Bookies.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 25, 2014, 12:38:46 AM
I wonder how long will the false rail at Dundalk last? They did away with the one at Leopardstown a few years back after a delegation of bookmakers kicked up a fuss about it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 25, 2014, 08:58:51 AM
Quotea betting industry that doesn't even legally have to stand over a bet,

It's a legal contract in Britain.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 25, 2014, 08:36:54 PM
Some shock in the Cleeve hurdle  :o That World Hurdle looks a minefield at the minute.

Out of the other races in England Red Sherlock looks a nice Novice hurdler and Mullins horse in behind's probably pretty decent too especially if he could jump, Scudamore made a smart move between the 2 final flights not allowing Geraghty take a gap and i think that might've won the race.

Here in Ireland i wasn't overly impressed by anything i seen but i'm planning to go down tomorrow and i'm sure there'll be something to excite me, talk of Hurricane fly having a bruise on his foot during the week, i don't know how serious that is but i presume it's nothing much when Mullins is still running him, i'm hoping Defy Logic puts in another good performance too and i think he could turn the tables on Felix younger with AP onboard.

Anyone know of a jockey called John Winston? He's on a horse called Hold em cowboy who won easily a week or 2 back but has gone up 10lbs for that but this Winston boy takes 7lbs off, if he's any way useful i think Hold em cowboys worth a small e/w bet at about 8/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 25, 2014, 09:46:54 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 25, 2014, 08:58:51 AM
Quotea betting industry that doesn't even legally have to stand over a bet,

It's a legal contract in Britain.

Doubt that very much, but feel free to provide evidence. Most of the big online operations are registered off shore as well, so it would be interesting taking them on in a legal arena. Sure Scotland operates differently from  England & Wales in a legal sense too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 26, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 25, 2014, 09:46:54 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 25, 2014, 08:58:51 AM
Quotea betting industry that doesn't even legally have to stand over a bet,

It's a legal contract in Britain.

Doubt that very much, but feel free to provide evidence. Most of the big online operations are registered off shore as well, so it would be interesting taking them on in a legal arena. Sure Scotland operates differently from  England & Wales in a legal sense too.

2005 Gambling Act. Covers England Scotland & Wales and off shore.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/19/contents (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/19/contents)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 26, 2014, 12:00:45 PM
Paste the 'betting docket is legally binding' bit, not reading through thon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 26, 2014, 12:20:43 PM
Look at "Part 17 Legality and Enforceability of Gambling Contracts".
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 26, 2014, 12:38:12 PM
Not being a dick, but i cant see how that refers to enforcing a betting slip in law, see mention of Voiding bets which is not the same. I do realise i could be missing something completely mind you.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 26, 2014, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 26, 2014, 12:38:12 PM
Not being a dick, but i cant see how that refers to enforcing a betting slip in law, see mention of Voiding bets which is not the same. I do realise i could be missing something completely mind you.
"335 (1) The fact that a contract relates to gambling shall not prevent its enforcement."

The 1966 Act which this Act repealled, stated that gambling contracts could not be enforced in law.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 26, 2014, 02:17:01 PM
There's no definition of what a contract is, it couldn't be any more vague.

If you type "is a betting docket a legally binding document in GB" you get nothing but bookmaker ads which is no surprise as the industry would probably pay to keep such discussions hidden. The only thing i did come across (& certainly not a  legal doc) was all about how bookies are 'honour bound' not legally bound.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 26, 2014, 02:22:31 PM
QuoteThere's no definition of what a contract is, it couldn't be any more vague.

The law on contract defines a contract. Each new Act doesn't have to repeat everything ever passed by Parliament! A bookies docket meets all the legal requirements for a contract.

Here's a link to a firm of Solicitors who specialise in gambling law.

http://www.bllaw.co.uk/sectors/leisure,_retail__hospitality/gambling/our_services/enforceability_of_gambling.aspx (http://www.bllaw.co.uk/sectors/leisure,_retail__hospitality/gambling/our_services/enforceability_of_gambling.aspx)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 26, 2014, 02:53:47 PM
Scrub that, read something that cleared it up for me. Apologies & thanks for the education!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 26, 2014, 03:31:59 PM
Always happy to help!  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2014, 12:26:35 AM
What about the Fly today lads? He's an incredible little horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 27, 2014, 01:06:51 AM
It makes for a fascinating Champion Hurdle. For me it's between Hurricane Fly and Our Conor. Forget the English. The thing is that Fly has that extra dimension to his make-up that's beyond talent - he refuses to let other horses go past him. Hardy Eustace was the greatest example of it I can think of, but Hardy didn't have the Fly's raw ability. Combine the two and Fly is entitled to be a short-odds favourite for Cheltenham even if Our Conor may improve more in the meantime than he does and even given Our Conor's proven ability to perform at Cheltenham. When it comes to the battle up the hill, it'd be hard to oppose Fly
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on January 27, 2014, 09:45:38 AM
Dessie Hughes will know that no matter what, Our Conor  cant outsprint the Hurricane once they go over the last. Not this year anyway. Ruby made 1 and a half lengths in a matter of strides, and won going away.

Not to take anything away from the youngster, his day will come. Fives or sixes  for the champion - must be the banker of the festival each way for serious punters at evens or 5/4 a place.

If you were riding Our Conor what tactics would you use to head the Fly at line in Cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on January 27, 2014, 10:05:39 AM
I still think Our Conor has every chance. The Fly may not travel well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 27, 2014, 10:38:54 AM
Quote from: Hardy on January 27, 2014, 01:06:51 AM
It makes for a fascinating Champion Hurdle. For me it's between Hurricane Fly and Our Conor. Forget the English. The thing is that Fly has that extra dimension to his make-up that's beyond talent - he refuses to let other horses go past him. Hardy Eustace was the greatest example of it I can think of, but Hardy didn't have the Fly's raw ability. Combine the two and Fly is entitled to be a short-odds favourite for Cheltenham even if Our Conor may improve more in the meantime than he does and even given Our Conor's proven ability to perform at Cheltenham. When it comes to the battle up the hill, it'd be hard to oppose Fly

I'd agree with all of that. HF is simply an amazing hurdler. For a 10yo Montjeu to still be producing top class displays in every single Grade 1 is just incredible. He was Group class on the flat over seven years ago against class colts like Lawman and Literato. Most of the flat recruits to jumping last a few years before falling out of love with the game. A lot of them will win a few mickey mouse contests before their jumping falls apart in a proper race. John Ferguson's horses are proof positive of that. HF has just got better and better. He's electric over his obstacles, has plenty of gears and can tough it out against the best of them. Special horse.

The big negative about Our Conor is inexperience. Both horse and rider are not as battle hardened as their opponents. It's very difficult for a 5yo against these seasoned horses. Katchit is the only one to manage it in yonks and that was one of the worst Champion Hurdles I've ever seen. He didn't win a single race afterwards. Danny Mullins hasn't done anything wrong on Our Conor yet but hacking around Leopardstown and sprinting from the second last is a world away from how the race will be ran at Cheltenham. An experienced head who won't panic at the crucial stage is worth half a stone in these races - I don't think there's any of the top lads who would have kicked for home when Sam Twiston Davies did on Saturday for example. If I was Danny I would ride him handy like Cooper did in the Triumph last year and put his excellent jumping to good use. He will get a nice tow into the race from The New One who will probably lead (can see them waiting for Punchestown with Un De Sceaux) and should be looking to take it up after turning in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 27, 2014, 01:01:58 PM
Ya just gotta  love him  :D I went down yesterday and got talking to someone pretty well involved in Harringtons yard and talk was today was the day if Jezki was ever going to beat Hurricane Fly so it looks as he's just not good enough although he's surely not poor enough to get beat behind captain cee bee.Our Conor ran a cracker and had me panicking for a bit. Love this Picture i came across on the RTE player,if ever a picture showed a horse wanting to win this is it (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/1/26/1390750760904/Hurricane-Fly-ridden-by-R-009.jpg)

As for Sam on Big Bucks i think he was told to do what he did,either that or he made a pretty big mistake and i rate him too highly to think he rid up with the pace and set off that early  off his own accord.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Under Lights on January 29, 2014, 09:47:12 PM
Have a stag do on Saturday. We are heading to Fairy House. First time ever at the races. Everyone says its a good day out. Wouldn't know much about betting or horses so anyone any tips for Saturday? Will it go ahead with the weather?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on January 29, 2014, 10:43:33 PM
Hurricane Fly is an amazing horse alright but not so amazing that he's a cert to win the Champion Hurdle. Personally I would prefer to have the two English horses on my side rather than HF and OC. That's not an attack on a great horse - I would see it as leaving sentiment aside the stronger form is in England this year that's the way I see it. I don't agree that OC can't beat HF in a finish up the hill either (should it come to it) - the two Champion Hurdles he's won he's done the damage between the bend and the last. I think last year he probably slowed a bit close to the line.

Cheltenham has never been Hurricane Fly's course either in the sense that his wins at Leopardstown and Punchestown have been a lot smoother - at Cheltenham there's been element of him looking a little more labored in winning. I think that might be a problem this year because he's 10 now and no longer improving and facing probably the best CH field that he's ever faced. He was clearly struggling down the back straight last year with something too - be it the undulations, the pace or he was too switched off. I would be worried that might happen again as it happened the previous year too. That said I would be a big Fly fan and think it would be a remarkable feat to win such a hot race at the age of 10 for the third time.

The Champion Hurdle is definitely the race of this year's Festival and if Un De Sceaux and Annie Power turn up (I suspect at least one will), it will make it an even greater spectacle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on January 31, 2014, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on January 29, 2014, 09:47:12 PM
Have a stag do on Saturday. We are heading to Fairy House. First time ever at the races. Everyone says its a good day out. Wouldn't know much about betting or horses so anyone any tips for Saturday? Will it go ahead with the weather?
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Suntiep in the 3-05
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 02, 2014, 01:17:58 PM
Elliott sends 1 gigginstown horse to musselburgh today for the juvenile hurdle,the horse is clarcam and he appears to have a mind of his own at times but at 15/2 im going to chance a few Bob ew,hopefully hes not just out for a spin as a prep for the Fred winter
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on February 02, 2014, 01:31:07 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 02, 2014, 01:17:58 PM
Elliott sends 1 gigginstown horse to musselburgh today for the juvenile hurdle,the horse is clarcam and he appears to have a mind of his own at times but at 15/2 im going to chance a few Bob ew,hopefully hes not just out for a spin as a prep for the Fred winter


And won race befor  with carlito brigantie
Chancol in the 1st @ punchestown and arvicka in the tied cottage double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on February 09, 2014, 10:20:38 AM
Any gold cup fancys today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 09, 2014, 10:37:57 AM
Quote from: The Worker on February 09, 2014, 10:20:38 AM
Any gold cup fancys today?

Last Instalment had a very satisfactory comeback run over an inadequate trip last time and i'd fancy him today,First Lieutenant is arguably better on better ground and LI destroyed him as a novice any way and Tidal Bay's 13 years of age,i know he retains plenty of ability but if he comes over here and beats our best (Injured Sir Des Champs aside) i'll be disappointed,Lord Windermere is pricewise so will surely attract plenty of support and i still think he could end up a nice horse but i'm against him on what he's shown so far this season.

I quite like Don Cossack in the novice chase,as good a novice jumper as i've seen since the aforementioned Last Instalment and although he doesn't appear the most genuine in a fight i don't think he'll have 1 against an inexperienced Ballycasey and Carlingford Lough who i'd say has developed as far as hes going to for the time being.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: seafoid on February 09, 2014, 11:28:00 AM

I was away from the computer for a while and someone put on auto translation to French
It looks awful sophisticated en francais


« Répondre # 8853 le: Aujourd'hui à 10:37:57 »
Citation de: Le travailleur sur Aujourd'hui à 10:20:38
Toute coupe d'or Fancys aujourd'hui?

Dernier versement a eu un retour course très satisfaisante au cours d'un voyage insuffisante dernière fois et je le lui s'imaginent aujourd'hui, le premier lieutenant est sans doute mieux sur une meilleure terre et LI lui détruit comme un novice aucune façon et de Tidal Bay de 13 ans, je sais qu'il conserve beaucoup de capacité, mais si il vient ici et bat notre meilleur (blessé Sir Des Champs part) Je serai déçu, Seigneur Windermere est pricewise donc va sûrement attirer beaucoup de soutien et je pense toujours qu'il pourrait finir par un cheval gentil mais Je suis contre lui sur ce qu'il a montré jusqu'à présent cette saison. J'aime bien cosaques du Don à la chasse novice, aussi bon cavalier novice comme je l'ai vu depuis le dernier versement précité et, bien qu'il ne semble pas le plus authentique dans un combat que je ne pense pas qu'il va avoir 1 contre un Ballycasey inexpérimenté et Carlingford Lough qui je dirais a développé autant que hes allant à pour le moment.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 09, 2014, 11:33:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 09, 2014, 11:28:00 AM

I was away from the computer for a while and someone put on auto translation to French
It looks awful sophisticated en francais


« Répondre # 8853 le: Aujourd'hui à 10:37:57 »
Citation de: Le travailleur sur Aujourd'hui à 10:20:38
Toute coupe d'or Fancys aujourd'hui?

Dernier versement a eu un retour course très satisfaisante au cours d'un voyage insuffisante dernière fois et je le lui s'imaginent aujourd'hui, le premier lieutenant est sans doute mieux sur une meilleure terre et LI lui détruit comme un novice aucune façon et de Tidal Bay de 13 ans, je sais qu'il conserve beaucoup de capacité, mais si il vient ici et bat notre meilleur (blessé Sir Des Champs part) Je serai déçu, Seigneur Windermere est pricewise donc va sûrement attirer beaucoup de soutien et je pense toujours qu'il pourrait finir par un cheval gentil mais Je suis contre lui sur ce qu'il a montré jusqu'à présent cette saison. J'aime bien cosaques du Don à la chasse novice, aussi bon cavalier novice comme je l'ai vu depuis le dernier versement précité et, bien qu'il ne semble pas le plus authentique dans un combat que je ne pense pas qu'il va avoir 1 contre un Ballycasey inexpérimenté et Carlingford Lough qui je dirais a développé autant que hes allant à pour le moment.

;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 09, 2014, 07:46:24 PM
WOW :o
That was even better than i expected,i actually walked around my house for 5 minutes shaking i was that impressed.
I might have to extend my Cheltenham trip to cover the last 2 days if he goes so i can go see him  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on February 09, 2014, 07:58:25 PM
Well done, baron. That was a very impressive run indeed. You could see him getting stronger with every furlong. He took Philip Fenton by surprise, according to himself and obviously took Brian O'Connell  by surprise too, because he seemed to have no option but to let him make it, even though that wasn't the plan.

Hard to calibrate against the likes of Bobs Worth and Cue Card.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 11, 2014, 01:42:29 PM
Elliott sends a few to Ayr today,i'll not be backing any but wouldn't be surprised to see a few winners.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 11, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Moss Streets 8/1 :O I expected about 5's, it's tempting.

MULE
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 11, 2014, 05:09:20 PM
Last Instalment is a classy horse on soft ground. He jumps like a stag and stays all day. If he gets his ground at Cheltenham then he is a smashing each way bet. I hope they get him there safe and sound. I'm delighted for Fenton and O'Connell after what happened with Dunguib. Fenton is a serious trainer - just as good as he was a rider. Gigginstown have had quite a poor year but they could yet have a strongish hand in the Gold Cup if it comes up soft. Bog Warrior is back over fences in the Red Mills at Gowran at the weekend and holds a Gold Cup entry.

Ballycasey will take all the beating in the Sun Alliance. I haven't been taken by any of the Supreme candidates yet and I wouldn't be in a huge rush to back Vatour at the price he is now. The Dovecote or the race at Naas that Annie Power won last year might throw up something yet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 15, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
Carberry gone over to Ascot to ride 1 horse Kauto stone and it's 22/1,the horse'll love the ground which some of the others won't and he won a good race at Down Royal last year on similar ground,he's still only 8 so could have improvement still and i'm having a few bob e/w. Can anyone remembber Carberry ever actually riding a Nicholls horse in England before  ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on February 16, 2014, 01:31:31 PM
Fancy Wicklow Brave for the supream
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on February 17, 2014, 06:00:26 PM
Fenton's training feats don't look so impressive now !!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 17, 2014, 06:16:28 PM
This could have major ramifications for the game in Ireland.

Gerard Butler was banned for 5 years in the UK for the use of anabolic steroids and I get the impression that they're only beginning to scratch the surface over there. Denis Egan said after the John Hughes case back in October that the Turf Club had no evidence of anabolic steroid use in Irish racing but today's Irish Times reports that only 283 in-training tests were taken by the Turf Club last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 17, 2014, 07:32:18 PM
They better not fecking ban Last instalment,ive a 50/1 bet on for the Gold cup,i'll be sick if he's not allowed go!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2014, 12:29:21 PM
The O'Leary's have come out in support of Fenton. No comment from Barry Connell.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 20, 2014, 01:11:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2014, 12:29:21 PM
The O'Leary's have come out in support of Fenton. No comment from Barry Connell.

Tullow tank's been taken out of Cheltenham anyway. Hopefully O' Leary doesn't follow suit   http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=1133549&category=0
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 20, 2014, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 20, 2014, 01:11:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 18, 2014, 12:29:21 PM
The O'Leary's have come out in support of Fenton. No comment from Barry Connell.

Tullow tank's been taken out of Cheltenham anyway. Hopefully O' Leary doesn't follow suit   http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=1133549&category=0

Not a chance that will happen going on their comments yesterday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 23, 2014, 06:44:57 PM
Sprinter sacre ruled out of the festival, kind of expected  it but still disappointing  :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 25, 2014, 01:23:38 PM
Cue Card out of Cheltenham now too,was looking for a while there like there'd be no real high profile absentees then there's 2 in the space of a few days,hopefully that's the last of it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 25, 2014, 01:49:11 PM
It's a busy day on the news front,Murtagh's retired as a jockey to focus on his training career, i kind of expected this before last season but after the brilliant season he had i thought he'd go on for another while,a class act of a jockey and always came across as a gentleman too. His ride on Henrythenavigator to beat New Approach in the English Guineas at about 12/1 will forever give him a place in my heart   ;D

Hopefully his training career goes well and from the start he has had it looks like it will.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 25, 2014, 01:56:53 PM
Up there with Kinane, Eddery and Fallon out of all the top Irish flat jockey's that I have seen. Always produced on the big days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6viZtSGWg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6viZtSGWg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRW8Wme3HBU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRW8Wme3HBU)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on February 25, 2014, 06:55:55 PM
Agree with both of the above posts. The New Approach / Henrythenavigator Guineas was one of those memorable finishes to a horse race.  Murtagh was probably the difference - no disrespect to Manning!

Wasn't around when Eddery was winning races but I always regard Murtagh, Kinane and Fallon as the three kings of flat racing. They rode in all the major Group 1 races over the world and won a fair chunk of them too!

Murtagh always produced it on the big days for sure DH! He was some man to take the lead in a race too and win from the front. Any of the Group 1s, if I ever saw Johnny Murtagh making the running, I'd be saying he's going to make an eejit out of every other jockey here - and he would! There was never any messing or showboating either in those Group 1s. He kept the tactics simple but was ruthless in a finish. A great jockey and a great ambassador for Irish racing. Even though he'll still be involved, I'll miss him in all those big races.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 02, 2014, 06:39:01 PM
Annie Power off to the World hurdle,at least she'll have  a chance there,mind you i still won't be backing her   :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 02, 2014, 07:02:15 PM
The World Hurdle is shaping up to be a great race with Big Bucks and Annie Power the two marquee horses but like the the Champion Hurdle there's a few horses there capable of winning it, More of That, At Fishers Cross, Zarkandar, Celestial Halo, Rule The World. Monksland in with a outside shout and Mount Belbulben is even running !! I find it hard to narrow it down to one. Also word on Twitter is Our Conor worked very well after racing at Leopardstown and Ballycasey fell in his preparations !!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 03, 2014, 09:04:29 AM
Good Cheltenham Preview thread at http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showthread.php?2053-2014-Cheltenham-Festival-Preview-Night-Reports ...probably worth going straight to last page as news goes out of date fairly fast.

Andy Macs quote on Champion Chase "Jamie Moore told him Sire De Grugy 'fackin ates' Cheltenham " :D

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 03, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
If Rule The World gets genuinely good ground then he is the value in the stayers. Otherwise I think Annie Power is a worthy favourite. She's a class above the rest. I would be very surprised if Big Bucks can bounce back. He looked plenty straight enough to me before his comeback run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on March 03, 2014, 10:41:52 AM
Mixed reviews of Our Conor yesterday. Champagne Fever was the one I liked the look of.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 03, 2014, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on March 03, 2014, 10:41:52 AM
Mixed reviews of Our Conor yesterday. Champagne Fever was the one I liked the look of.

Can't have him at all bcarrier. I know the festival form is in the book but he's only had 2 runs, one of which was a defeat which exposed jumping deficiencies  with no race since Christmas. Poor enough favourite in my book.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 04, 2014, 06:03:58 PM
Champagne Fever has been poorly campaigned in my opinion although he is a good ground horse so maybe he'll run a few times between now and the end of the season. I think he'll win though. He's a sensational jumper and I would not let one error put you off. The likes of Moscow Flyer and Azertyuiop got it wrong on the big days but were a sight to behold jumping a fence 99% of the time.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 04, 2014, 06:14:37 PM
Walsh had a complete brainfart that day. Defy Logic is a bit of a headcase. Taking him on down the back was always going to end in tears. If he had the opportunity to ride that race again I'm certain he would just take a pull and allow Defy Logic to tow him into the straight before picking him up going down to the last.

The lack of a recent run worries me too and I'm sure it was not the plan after Christmas. He did bomb out at Naas last year before bouncing back in March so he could just be one of those spring horses who comes to himself at this time of year. I wasn't at Leopardstown on Sunday but I saw footage of him and he looks fantastic. If he is anyway right he will take the world of beating. He stays all day and jumps like a stag.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 05, 2014, 02:47:18 PM
BHA have cleared all Fentons horses to run,happy days  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 05, 2014, 07:55:45 PM
Regal Encore currently 11/4 def worth a shout @ 3:15 sandown on sat men. Also an ew punt on who's that at Gowran, ran a cracker last day at a big price and got boxed in so give it another try
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 05, 2014, 08:38:17 PM
Mullins horse in the 1st tomorrow is worth a few bob i've been told,it's only 2nd hand info though so i wouldn't go too mad on it  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 07, 2014, 08:10:58 AM
Robert Tyner had a good day at Clonmel yesterday. He has a good record there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: macdanger2 on March 09, 2014, 12:48:23 AM
Any advice from the horsie men on here on how we should invest this week??

Which horses are
Hyped??
Value??
Bankers?
Donkeys?
Underdogs??
Wildcards?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 09, 2014, 11:50:33 PM
Heading off tomorrow for what will be my 1st Cheltenham trip  :D

I'm really looking forward to it and for the past few months i've been placing antepost bets with Betvictor nonrunner freebet and i've 2 decent looking antepost bets in Hurricane fly at 6/1 and Last Instalment for the gold cup at 50/1 but i've also a few duds in Bright new dawn RSA(watch for him come Punchestown) and Le Vent D'antan in the Neptune with neither running but leaves me with a free bet in them races so it works out fine,unfortunately i also have The Liquidator in the Supreme and it looks like he's still going to run in it and if he does and performs like his last race he'll get lapped  :-[

As for what i fancy now i'm still not decided on a few races but 2 that do interest me are Don Cossack RSA (i'm not obsessed with Gigginstown despite how it may appear  :P) as i think he's not suited by small fields and a true run race will allow him to use his excellent jumping.
I had a question mark over his attitude when he was 2nd to Morning assembly earlier in the season but after looking back on re-runs of his races i think that may have made a man off him because next time up he went and beat Carlingford Lough after looking like he could be beat and i'm allowing him his last run as the race was a bit of a farce with Ruby going from the front and bossing the race on Ballycasey, along with this i'm a big fan  of Gordon Elliott and he's given this horse an almost identical prep to Jessies dream who was 2nd in this in 2011 and from what i'm hearing Elliott's a lot more hopeful of Dons chances than he's suggesting on some preview nights.


The other horse is Attaglance in the Novices Handicap on the 1st day,his last run over fences didn't exactly set the world on fire but Malcolm Jefferson's a bright man and i'd say the horse mightn't have been at his peak that day, previous to that he had finished 4th in the Paddy Power chase and before that finished about 2 lengths behind Double Ross at Perth off level weights and DR is now rated in the 150's,he had a spin over hurdles a few weeks ago presumably to get him spot on without damaging his chase mark over a trip that probably stretches his stamina.

Attaglance now runs off 137 which seems a lenient mark judging on his victory in the Martin Pipe hurdle 2 years ago off 2 lbs higher and with a bit of luck i'd give this boy an e/w shout but the handicaps as ever can be very difficult to get right.

Before i go DH or anyone else got any strong fancies for the week?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 10, 2014, 12:03:16 AM
Still muling over a few but have a good one lad its some buzz
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2014, 10:33:58 AM
I don't have very little antepost interest in this festival and I haven't been following racing as intently as previous years. I think we could see some funny results this year as a result of the changing ground. I don't have any basis for that, just a hunch. My advice to anyone would be to back everything e/w regardless of price. Don't be afraid to take e/w terms all the way down to 3/1 or 5/2. Also keep it sensible in the handicaps. They're not designed to be punter friendly and the supposed good things who have stones in hand regularly get turned over.

I've had a small bit e/w on Gilgamboa in the Supreme. He has solid handicap form and will go off much shorter tomorrow given the McCoy/McManus factor. I think the front two in that market have to be taken on. Art of Logistics looks a nice price in the novice handicap. I can see him improving a lot for better ground.

On Wednesday I would be confident that Morning Assembly will prove to be the best of the Irish horses in time. Ballycasey is a nice horse but he looks underpriced now and Morning Assembly comfortably had his measure over hurdles. Greeness cost him against Carlingford Lough at Christmas but I expect he will be more streetwise now. Don Cossack looks to have a hole in him somewhere.

Thursday is all about Annie Power for me. I have her at some fancy prices and am confident she will see out the trip.

I've backed Pearl Castle for the Triumph. He looks like a horse who will relish the way the Triumph is run, the yard know what it takes to win that race and I think he will love a bit of nice ground. Ned Buntline interests me in the Grand Annual. He has the look of a typical strong travelling but weak finishing Noel Meade type. I think he is quite well handicapped though. He will get an end to end gallop on Friday and I can see Carberry delivering him late after the last Bellvano style.

Enjoy the four days gents.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 10, 2014, 10:36:41 AM
Was hearing plenty of word for Western Boy in the first tomorrow. Anyone know anything about this nag ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2014, 10:42:53 AM
Quote from: maddog on March 10, 2014, 10:36:41 AM
Was hearing plenty of word for Western Boy in the first tomorrow. Anyone know anything about this nag ?

He has some good form behind both of Mullins's horses. He ran Vatour to less than a length in a novice hurdle at Punchestown and was two lengths off Wicklow Brave in receipt of 10 lbs at Limerick Junction in October. There will be worse 16/1 shots running all week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 10, 2014, 11:00:12 PM
Really looking forward to tomorrow. It's always a fantastic week's craic. I haven't been over yet but still great to be off work and getting the lads together for a few pints and the best week's racing (and best sustained week's sport) of the year.

Been looking forward to the Champion Hurdle all year. Backed Hurricane Fly at the last three festivals but have deserted him in favour of the The New One. Just think the sands of time have to wilt the champion at some stage and The New One is thoroughly likeable with the Neptune proving a decent trial in recent years.

A form / trends guides I bought threw up an interesting stat about the profits which were to be had by following horses in first time headgear at the last festival. Not enough to be a trend yet but it's an interesting angle. Those handicaps are also so competitive that there's usually one that improves beyond what could be expected so it might be one line of enquiry. I've let it push me in the direction of Art of Logistics albeit that a winning favourite wouldn't necessarily be the strongest evidence.

Agree with DH on the impact of the ground, definitely a big angle for the handicaps with marks affected by weather for most of the season.

My team for war tomorrow is;

Wicklow Brave
Trifolium
Fruity O'Rooney
The New One
Quevega
Shutthefrontdoor
Art of Logistics
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2014, 11:05:12 PM
Ok, lucky 15 for tomorrow done, Champagne Fever, Quevega, Jezki and Gilgamboa
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 10, 2014, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2014, 11:05:12 PM
Ok, lucky 15 for tomorrow done, Champagne Fever, Quevega, Jezki and Gilgamboa

For your sake I hope I'm wrong, but I really can't see on what grounds you'd pick Jezki over the Fly and Our Conor!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 10, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
I'm with Western Boy tomorrow too. I think he's 20/1 there with Powers which is nice as you'll get your money back if he comes 2nd, 3rd or 4th. He's got good form in an opening looking Supreme and based on trainer quotes should be suited by the drying ground. I'd like to see Davy get a few winners too. The market leaders are all potentially very good horses but not sure any of them have shown it yet. Percentage call is something a little further back in the betting.

Champagne Fever would be one of my stronger fancies for the week. It's a pity he didn't get another run into him but then maybe the lack of a run is making his price tomorrow. He'll be another who'll improve for better ground. Support for Trifolium is gathering momentum but ground a massive negative for him while Rock On Ruby hasn't a lot of experience and I thought he hurdled a lot of his fences on his last run. I think he might clip the top of a fence on his round tomorrow. Dodging Bullets the danger and again I think better ground will suit him.

The Champion Hurdle is the race of the week for me. Really looking forward to it. I'll be on My Tent or Yours but trying to keep an open mind on the whole race as it really is a mouthwatering contest. I'd be against Hurricane Fly for a variety of reasons but would still savor the moment should he win it for the third time. I'd not rule out Our Conor either and am just very way that we haven't seen the best of him this season.

The rest of the card has some good supporting acts. If Quevaga wins for the sixth time well what a horse ! Haven't backed her once in those 5 wins and I'll stick with that approach and go with Cockney Sparrow. King Vuvuzuela has crept into the last race and has the right man on his back for a quietly, quietly type ride. Foxrock winning would be a good news story for the Walsh's but Shotgun Paddy is my selection in that race. It's a great opening day to the Festival that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2014, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 10, 2014, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2014, 11:05:12 PM
Ok, lucky 15 for tomorrow done, Champagne Fever, Quevega, Jezki and Gilgamboa

For your sake I hope I'm wrong, but I really can't see on what grounds you'd pick Jezki over the Fly and Our Conor!

It's an e/w lucky 15, picked him as I've made a few quid off him so thought I'd stick with it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 11, 2014, 09:40:17 AM
Sticking with ruby today. Can see a big day ahead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 11, 2014, 12:02:19 PM
Ah, extreme nervous excitement, only matched by your county appearing in a final, it must be Cheltenham Festival time.

I'm hoping for another day like the Friday of last year.

Vatour
Rock On Ruby
Time for Rupert[ew]
Hurricane Fly
Quevega
Foxrock

I really hope Hurricane Fly joins the hurdling immortals list today, and if that's my only winner of the day, i'll still be happy enough.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 11, 2014, 01:03:45 PM

1.20 western boy

2.05 dodging bullets

2.40  vintage star

3.20 our conor

;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 11, 2014, 01:08:45 PM
Colours to the mast - come on the Fly. Further neck sticking out - the irish Champion Hurdlers will run the guts out of the English.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 11, 2014, 01:17:31 PM
13:30 - Wicklow Brave
14:05 - Trifolium
14:40 - Fruity O Rooney
15:20 - Jezki
16:00 - Quevega
16:40 - Shotgun Paddy
17:15 - Art of Logistics
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 11, 2014, 01:30:17 PM
Josses Hill in the 1st
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 11, 2014, 01:35:11 PM
OK - get on Willie for the week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2014, 01:35:21 PM
Ruby back at it again!! unreal
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 11, 2014, 02:13:09 PM
Ruby nods? Did he take too much out of Champagne Fever?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 11, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 10, 2014, 11:00:12 PM
Really looking forward to tomorrow. It's always a fantastic week's craic. I haven't been over yet but still great to be off work and getting the lads together for a few pints and the best week's racing (and best sustained week's sport) of the year.

Been looking forward to the Champion Hurdle all year. Backed Hurricane Fly at the last three festivals but have deserted him in favour of the The New One. Just think the sands of time have to wilt the champion at some stage and The New One is thoroughly likeable with the Neptune proving a decent trial in recent years.

A form / trends guides I bought threw up an interesting stat about the profits which were to be had by following horses in first time headgear at the last festival. Not enough to be a trend yet but it's an interesting angle. Those handicaps are also so competitive that there's usually one that improves beyond what could be expected so it might be one line of enquiry. I've let it push me in the direction of Art of Logistics albeit that a winning favourite wouldn't necessarily be the strongest evidence.

Agree with DH on the impact of the ground, definitely a big angle for the handicaps with marks affected by weather for most of the season.

My team for war tomorrow is;

Wicklow Brave
Trifolium
Fruity O'Rooney
The New One
Quevega
Shutthefrontdoor
Art of Logistics

Didn't follow through on my own advice but Western Warhouse was in a first time hood there.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2014, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 10, 2014, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2014, 11:05:12 PM
Ok, lucky 15 for tomorrow done, Champagne Fever, Quevega, Jezki and Gilgamboa

For your sake I hope I'm wrong, but I really can't see on what grounds you'd pick Jezki over the Fly and Our Conor!

It's an e/w lucky 15, picked him as I've made a few quid off him so thought I'd stick with it

Ahemmmmmmmmmm, now I don't want the other horse to win lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 11, 2014, 03:30:02 PM
The headgear strikes again! You might have something there TAM.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 11, 2014, 03:40:58 PM
Result please?....1,2,3
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 11, 2014, 03:46:21 PM
Hope our conor is ok, lengthy treatment
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Muzz on March 11, 2014, 03:57:28 PM
Confirmed he was put down. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2014, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: Muzz on March 11, 2014, 03:57:28 PM
Confirmed he was put down.

fcuk that's shit, real decent horse, plenty of Conor's have made a few pound off that horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 11, 2014, 04:37:23 PM
What happened to Our Conor has put a real dampener on the day. The connections must be devastated.

Anyone know anywhere i can watch the 4.40 race online, without placing a bet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridge fan on March 11, 2014, 05:03:51 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 11, 2014, 04:37:23 PM
What happened to Our Conor has put a real dampener on the day. The connections must be devastated.

Anyone know anywhere i can watch the 4.40 race online, without placing a bet?

Ma288 only works on laptops etc not iPad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 11, 2014, 05:13:12 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 11, 2014, 04:37:23 PM
What happened to Our Conor has put a real dampener on the day. The connections must be devastated.

Anyone know anywhere i can watch the 4.40 race online, without placing a bet?


A bit late now but Racing UK is on http://www.gofirstrow.eu/ (http://www.gofirstrow.eu/)

Click:
Other
Others
Racing UK
Link 1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 11, 2014, 07:15:08 PM
Cheers anyway Hardy, will save that for future reference.

Broke even today, could have been worse. How did everyone else get on? Any strong fancies for tomorrow?

Morning Assembly is meant to appreciate better ground and is an ew price. Is Faugheen a good thing? Is Sire de Grugy? Am trying to find something to beat the latter. Balthazar King loves good ground but has 11.12 in the cross country. Dunguib is in a handicap!! Top weight though.

More studying to do..............
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2014, 09:53:21 AM
Wed isn't a great day for backing (well for me anyway) going for Ruby's last one Shaneshill, and will try a £2 each way treble, for a interest
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 12, 2014, 10:32:31 AM
Has many made use of the on-line offers being put up by the bookies? Quite a few flying around at the minute. Haven't looked at the small print yet but hoping to get a chance at lunch. Any good offers worth taking advantage of?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 12, 2014, 11:45:12 AM
How many of you fancy "Faugheen" in the first race? Don't know much about it tbh but the thought of getting the day of to a good start is tempting.

Got the winner of the 1st race (£5), last race(£5) and Quevega(£20) so made a few quid but i'm just betting small.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2014, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 12, 2014, 11:45:12 AM
How many of you fancy "Faugheen" in the first race? Don't know much about it tbh but the thought of getting the day of to a good start is tempting.

Got the winner of the 1st race (£5), last race(£5) and Quevega(£20) so made a few quid but i'm just betting small.

Betting what you can afford, keep your £30 from yesterday and play with the winnings again, means you aint going to lose. Was looking at that horse also:

"Faugheen is fancied to defend his unbeaten record and deliver Willie Mullins a third triumph in the two-and-a-half-mile novice hurdle.

A winner in the point-to-point field, Faugheen slammed Josses Hill in a bumper at Punchestown last May, before being sent over obstacles this winter.

Only the needy or greedy got involved with the 1-5 favourite for his hurdling debut at Punchestown in November, but Ruby Walsh's mount landed the odds with the minimum of fuss.

It was a similar story at Navan the following month, as Faugheen hardly broke sweat to justify an SP of 1-9.

Mullins, who saddled Fiveforthree to victory in 2008 and Mikael D'Haguenet 12 months later, sent his six-year-old for a Grade 3 event over three miles at Limerick three days after Christmas, and Faugheen duly took his hurdles tally to three from three.

Afterwards, Mullins, concerned at his gelding's condition, changed Faugheen's feed – but the Co Carlow trainer reports all to be well with the favourite going into today's race"

Short priced for a big ish field.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2014, 12:55:21 PM
Ok, nice surprise when I lifted yesterday bet, more than I thought I was going to get.

So £3 e/w treble done on O'Faolain's Boy, Faugheen and Indevan, plus £6 on Shaneshill in the last. Still playing with Ladbrooks money and a fiver left for tomnorrow if nowt today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2014, 02:23:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2014, 12:55:21 PM
Ok, nice surprise when I lifted yesterday bet, more than I thought I was going to get.

So £3 e/w treble done on O'Faolain's Boy, Faugheen and Indevan, plus £6 on Shaneshill in the last. Still playing with Ladbrooks money and a fiver left for tomnorrow if nowt today

Oh dear!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 12, 2014, 02:33:04 PM
Two out of Three ain't bad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2014, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 12, 2014, 02:33:04 PM
Two out of Three ain't bad.

Aye I need three ffs!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2014, 02:44:12 PM
rubbish
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 12, 2014, 08:05:43 PM
No problems with Hawk High today 33/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 12, 2014, 11:40:46 PM
Nice wee ante post £1 ew lucky 15 running, vatour7/2, my tent or yours5/1, balthazars king @6/1 one to go, should be fun. Was def money to be made today I balleds it up as usual
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 13, 2014, 08:06:16 AM
Isn't the EW Lucky 15 settled win-win place-place?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 13, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 13, 2014, 08:06:16 AM
Isn't the EW Lucky 15 settled win-win place-place?
Yip, so on the win side he has two singles and a double in - worth about €43.

On the EW side he has 3 singles, 3 doubles an a treble in - worth about €32.

So nicely ahead on a €30 outlay, but if the last one wins the payout would become interesting.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 13, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
The last one is crucial,
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 13, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
Bookies must have cleaned up yesterday, I didn't even get a place... Surely it has to be a favourite's day today...

JP's horses seem to be in fine fettle, can see AP in the winners enclosure a few times today and tomorrow, Colour Squadron looks solid as does If In Doubt and quietly confident on At Fishers Cross to run a decent race  :-\ Cause of Causes should also go close.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2014, 12:28:04 PM
Ok selection for today

Felix Younger
Fingal Bay
Boston Bob
Annie Power
Tap Night

Only doing a lucky 15 4 selection so need to drop one of these horses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 13, 2014, 02:14:53 PM
Well I am happy with 2 winners today. Small wagers, natch, but it's not about the money.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2014, 02:18:15 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 13, 2014, 02:14:53 PM
Well I am happy with 2 winners today. Small wagers, natch, but it's not about the money.

Some finish!! I'd Fingal also, get another one I'll get my money back
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2014, 02:28:20 PM
Stayed away for 2 days and couldn't wait any longer so stuck a few quid on Fingal... twas a hairy finish but happy enough. That should keep me going for the rest of the day.

Wee double on Benefficient and Annie Power would be nice if it came up!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2014, 02:49:17 PM
Meh!

After looking so comfortable most of the way round that was a shocking end to that race for Benefficient... absolutely nowhere!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 13, 2014, 03:19:42 PM
Having a nibble on Salubrious in this one.

At 25/1 it could be a laugh!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 13, 2014, 03:29:38 PM
 :o wasn't expecting that!!  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2014, 03:42:43 PM
Jaysus Geraghty's some boy,apparently his free bet at one of the preview evenings was a double on Jezki and more of that and pays about 20k for charity,hope it's true.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 13, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
I suppose if we're to learn anything, we should be backing Tap Night here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bigfrank on March 13, 2014, 04:00:11 PM
Boylesports ‏@Boylesports  27m
WOW! @BarryJGeraghty's charity bet for @InjuredJockeys has come in!! €100 each-way on Jezki & More Of That = €10,000 #CheltFest

Great to see,great cause
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2014, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 13, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
I suppose if we're to learn anything, we should be backing Tap Night here.

F##k Tap Night!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 13, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
Robbie Mc is some pilot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: winsamsoon on March 14, 2014, 01:57:15 AM
Annie power done the damage, still managed a few pints lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Brick on March 14, 2014, 09:20:30 AM
Have to say i like the look of Triolo D'Alene today with AP on board. 10/1 great potential
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Cosmic Fool on March 14, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Has anyone done the stats thing on the horses in the gold cup that i have seen here before - its usually a good read.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 14, 2014, 11:02:21 AM
First Lieutenant's out of the Gold cup,surprised at that. On the plus side Last Instalment takes his chance.

Backing this Kings Palace against Briar hill today,not usually a big fan of betting on Pipes hype horses but the more i look at his last 2 runs at Cheltenham the more impressed i am,jumps real quick and can have these  on the stretch from a long way out,can't even think of backing Briar hill at the prices and i'm hoping/expecting Kings palace to do a Brindisi breeze here.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 14, 2014, 11:18:32 AM
Artic Fire should do the business in the second at 6/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2014, 11:48:43 AM
I'm going for just 2 today, Guitar Pete  and Bob's worth
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Cosmic Fool on March 14, 2014, 11:57:01 AM
Any insight into today Donnellys Hollow - Always like to hear your verdict
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on March 14, 2014, 12:09:24 PM

1.30 - Royal Irish Hussar
2.05 - Minella Foru
2.40 - Kings Palace
3.20 - Bobsworth 
4.00 - On the Fringe / Oscar Delta
4.40 - Don Poli
5.15 - Mr Mole

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2014, 01:43:17 PM
Ruby has broke the arm ??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 14, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
Briar Hill gone, f**k
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 14, 2014, 03:09:24 PM
Very Wood wins in first time cheek pieces. Hmm. Ned Buntline in the last has first time headgear.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 14, 2014, 03:52:17 PM
I truly hate Cheltenham.

Picking winners is hard enough week-in, week-out in small fields where half the horses can be ruled out for not trying. But big fields when they're all trying? Mug's game.

signing out of betting on Cheltenham forever.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 14, 2014, 04:08:01 PM
Did you lose the childrens' allowance on Bobs Worth?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 14, 2014, 04:10:00 PM
My only decent win of the week was betting on the stewards' inquiry.

Great stuff Davy and Jim.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 14, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
would be great if Oscar delta won the next after last year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2014, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 14, 2014, 04:10:00 PM
My only decent win of the week was betting on the stewards' inquiry.

Great stuff Davy and Jim.

They were never going to change the result.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 14, 2014, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 14, 2014, 03:09:24 PM
Very Wood wins in first time cheek pieces. Hmm. Ned Buntline in the last has first time headgear.

I read about this before the Festival and then it was brought up again after the Arkle ! Think the jist of it is horses in first time cheekpieces/blinkers/nosebands, etc have a great record?

Have backed Ned Buntline.....hadn't realised he fitted this statistic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 14, 2014, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 14, 2014, 04:08:01 PM
Did you lose the childrens' allowance on Bobs Worth?

no, not so much, as losing a small amount of money on a series of horses who had the form to contribute more.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 14, 2014, 04:35:48 PM
It's been an extraordinary days racing - even by Cheltenham's standards.....so much to reflect on today and this week.

It's been a bad week for me but I always enjoy it even if it comes at a cost !!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: J OGorman on March 14, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
Dear Irish News, could you let Neville Ring know that he couldn't pick his hole
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 14, 2014, 07:07:38 PM
Last Instalment's been retired,disappointing he'll never get to reach his potential but his win over xmas will live long in my memory.

Cracking day for Davy Russell but i'm not sure what to make of that Gold cup at all,the finish was very exciting but i don't think the race will be remembered like some previous encounters.

Tiger Roll could be a nice horse to watch in future as that was quite a performance for a horse having only his 3rd ever run  :o

What about Tony Martin in the Grand Annual? Had the favourite for the race in Ted Veale until the weights came out and he said he was too harshly treated,then his fallback option in Savello runs and wins after getting backed from 33/1 to 16/1,he is some operator.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 14, 2014, 07:37:41 PM
It won't be remembered as a vintage Gold Cup Beer Baron but in terms of drama but it's probably up there. Have to say I enjoyed today's racing, despite not backing a winner !! I always like to see Davy get a winner and I thought his reaction after was class. The other Davey (Casey) I would have sympathy for as he's an unsung hero of Irish racing.

Have to say there was no end of talking points with O'Leary - after drawing a blank all week - getting 4 winners, 2 ridden by the man he sacked last Christmas. Hard luck on Bryan Cooper but he might take consolation in remembering his story this time last year and his replacement's story this year. It's uncanny how the roles can be reversed on the same day's racing two years in a row !!

The injuries piling up too, Ruby broke the arm, Townend was stood down and the aforementioned Cooper apparently suffered the worst leg break the turf club doctor has ever seen! And even then no one of those can match Daryl Jacob's day. I was nearly sure the ride he was missing on in the last would win!

Really wish Ned Buntline had won the last though and not Davy Russell / Savello.

All in all I would say it's been a fairly memorable days racing !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 14, 2014, 10:19:30 PM
Bit on the wires that Mullins might appeal the Gold Cup result. We will see after he and Mr Wylie sleep on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 14, 2014, 10:24:43 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on March 14, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
Dear Irish News, could you let Neville Ring know that he couldn't pick his hole

Sadly he's not alone on that score :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 15, 2014, 07:45:21 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on March 14, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
Dear Irish News, could you let Neville Ring know that he couldn't pick his hole
Hard to believe he gets paid for tipping favorites.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 15, 2014, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 15, 2014, 07:45:21 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on March 14, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
Dear Irish News, could you let Neville Ring know that he couldn't pick his hole
Hard to believe he gets paid for tipping favorites.

he does tend to put up a lot of favs but he did tip a 12/1 winner yesterday. he will always be my friend after tipping berties dream at 50s a few years back.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 15, 2014, 12:32:48 PM
I saw David Casey on the way into the track yesterday morning. Little did he know then the drama that he would be a part of later that day. The look on his face coming back in said it all. He knew that was his one chance of landing the greatest race in the world.

Davy Russell deserves all his success. I'm sure like most people, I thought he was finished after what happened back in January. There's every chance now that he'll be back on most of the good Gigginstown horses for Liverpool, Fairyhouse and Punchestown with Cooper and Walsh on the sidelines. It's a mad game sometimes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 15, 2014, 03:09:10 PM
I'd a good day yesterday.  Did a 40pEW Lucky 15, I had Very Wood at 40/1 and Lord Windemere at 33/1 as my first 2 runners.  Talk about filling the pants  :D  I was walking round in a daze for a while, brought back down to earth by the shite run of Vieux Lion Rouge and Dare me in the last (20/1).  £636 to lift but could have been that one day that all punters dream about :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 19, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
Lads can any of you recommend any accommodation around Fairyhouse?

Probably looking for somewhere that does family rooms.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 19, 2014, 07:44:25 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 19, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
Lads can any of you recommend any accommodation around Fairyhouse?

Probably looking for somewhere that does family rooms.

Dunboyne Castle Hotel would only be a ten minute drive from the track.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgael on March 21, 2014, 05:58:23 PM
Amazing star 7.15 Dundalk
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 01, 2014, 12:18:50 PM
Any long term Aintree fancies ? Heard some talk around dessie Hughes' Raz de Maree, don't know much about it other than it winning a Cork national but its a fair old price at 66/1 in a few spots.

Hardy - are you doing your annual stats later in the week ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 01, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
Not much point, maddog. The stats haven't held up for the last few years. I might take a look to see if they can be tweaked in light of recent trends, but you have to be careful you're not backfitting.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Black Card on April 01, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
My 10 year old son has picked the winner every year for last 4 years in the Grand National.  I put a 2.50 each way bet on for him and he only picks the one horse.  I have yet to copy him in case it jinxes him!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 01, 2014, 12:47:29 PM
Mossey Joe's out of the national and going for the foxhunters,should be a case of get him to jump round and you have a winner,aint usually that easy but i'll be backing anyway a long as he's not a disgustingly short price.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on April 03, 2014, 02:17:04 PM
Great stuff Guitar Pete; fast becoming one of my favourite horses.

You got to love Paul Carberry (even if I was calling him names for most of that race).

One race down, one more winner at Aintree than an entire week at Cheltenham. Hate Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 03, 2014, 03:49:27 PM
Sam Waley Cohen on Warne makes an absolute embarassment of everyone else in the field in the foxhunters!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on April 04, 2014, 07:38:58 AM
Quote from: Black Card on April 01, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
My 10 year old son has picked the winner every year for last 4 years in the Grand National.  I put a 2.50 each way bet on for him and he only picks the one horse.  I have yet to copy him in case it jinxes him!

Does he have 8 legs?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Black Card on April 04, 2014, 11:59:23 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2014, 07:38:58 AM
Quote from: Black Card on April 01, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
My 10 year old son has picked the winner every year for last 4 years in the Grand National.  I put a 2.50 each way bet on for him and he only picks the one horse.  I have yet to copy him in case it jinxes him!

Does he have 8 legs?

And what exactly does that mean, you are obviously trying and failing as usual to be funny.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on April 05, 2014, 10:31:04 AM
Do PaddyPower not normally pay out for 6 places in the GN? Looks like only offering 5 this year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: CornerBackNo2 on April 05, 2014, 11:44:18 AM
Shakalakaboomboom 33/1 now 25/1 is my tip
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on April 05, 2014, 12:01:31 PM
FFS Hardy. Get yer finger out. There's children needin fed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on April 05, 2014, 12:46:30 PM
My donation to the poor bookies fund this year will be via Triolo D'Alene, Shakalakaboomboom and Alvarado.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 05, 2014, 12:55:24 PM
Monbeg Dude with Paul Carberry on board for me. He'll be dropped out, Carberry will take his time and appear on the scene late like only Carberry can !
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: macdanger2 on April 05, 2014, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 05, 2014, 10:31:04 AM
Do PaddyPower not normally pay out for 6 places in the GN? Looks like only offering 5 this year

Almost certain they used to. Instead this year they're advertising 5 places in a 40 horse race as if it's a giveaway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 05, 2014, 01:22:02 PM
Kids have picked, shakalakaboomboom, The rainbow hunter and wife Mr Moonshine, I've went for Balthazar King
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on April 05, 2014, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 05, 2014, 01:22:02 PM
Kids have picked, shakalakaboomboom, The rainbow hunter and wife Mr Moonshine, I've went for Balthazar King

Similar. Children on Shakal...., Rainbow Hunter, Mr Moonshine and Target something. Myself Long Run and Big Shu.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 05, 2014, 01:28:05 PM
This years theory ;D is to go with tried and tested staying form. These are the horses that have win or placed for at the greatest distance so Teaforthree placed last year over 35f etc. It might help it might not. Ignoring at my peril everything below that. Now to weed these out somehow. Will go for lighter weights, probably ignore cross country form


teaforthree      35   aintree   place      good      grand national
one in a milan      33   uttoxeter   place      heavy      midlands national
big shu      33   punchestown   win      heavy      cross country
balthazar king      31   cheltenham   win      good      cross country
vesper bell      30   punchestown   place      heavy      
hawkes point      29   chepstow   place      heavy      welsh national
mountainous      29   chepstow   win      heavy      welsh national
monbeg dude      29   chepstow   win      heavy      welsh national
lion na bernai      29   fairyhouse   win      good to soft      irish national
tidal bay      29   sandown   win      soft      
raz de maree      28   cork   win      good to soft      cork national
pineau de re      28   downpatrick   win      good      
across the bay      28   haydock   win      heavy      
alvardo      27   cheltenham   win      good      
rose of the moon      27   sedgefield   win      soft      
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 05, 2014, 01:54:01 PM
I've had a go at it, cutting down that range of stats I used to apply and limiting it to the stats that have been relatively consistent. This throws up

Quito De La Roque (50/1)
Balthazar King (16/1)
Burton Port (20/1)
The Rainbow Hunter (28/1)

Monbeg Dude and Big Shu come close behind.

The stats I've used don't separate that top four. If you look at breeding, Irish breds have won 8 of the last 10 and have been placed 29 times out of 40 (72.5%) from approximately 57.4% of the runners. On the other hand, French Breds have won two of the last five, never having won before. Balthazar King, Burton Port, Monbeg Dude and Big Shu are Irish Bred. Quito De La Roque is French.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridgegael on April 05, 2014, 02:00:13 PM
hard to look past the rainbow hunter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 05, 2014, 02:07:43 PM
I've done Alvarado(Maloneys National form is incredible),Our Father because he's always been highly regarded,went off Favourite in the Hennessy off 2lb higher when finishing a disappointing 7th behind triolo d'alene when looking 1 paced,wouldn't put it by the Pipes to have been eyeing this for a while.Did wayward prince too because i've a soft spot for him since he ran 2nd to Siliniaco Conti last year, Only buttons on each though.

Is Carberry definitely riding Monbeg dude? Had a nasty fall yesterday and went to hospital i believe,was working all morning so heard nothing?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: muppet on April 05, 2014, 02:13:56 PM
Quito De La Roque

I know absolutely nothing about horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONeill on April 05, 2014, 02:22:59 PM
That's the exact translation too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: muppet on April 05, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2014, 02:22:59 PM
That's the exact translation too.

I didn't know you spoke Equinian.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armaghgeddon on April 05, 2014, 04:05:31 PM
Never bet on horse racing but went for double seven
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on April 05, 2014, 04:26:41 PM
Pineau de re
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: muppet on April 05, 2014, 04:28:50 PM
Poor old Walk on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 05, 2014, 04:32:05 PM
Ahhh I had a least a sweat on for most of the race, I'd picked out Balthazar King and Across the bay at work for the sweep so £8 for second place
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 05, 2014, 04:35:09 PM
A very eventful race. Great entertainment as always. When you watch what they go through you have to figure Battle Group was the smartest on the course, man or horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 05, 2014, 04:39:20 PM
Leighton becomes the second Kilcullen man to ride the Aintree National winner in the last 6 years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 05, 2014, 04:57:56 PM
I'd say every time I looked at the card for the Grand National, I skipped over Pineau De Reu !

I remember him running well in the Bumper many years ago - I wonder why Barry Connell sold him?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 05, 2014, 05:00:24 PM
If ever a big owner needed a good racing manager it's Barry Connell.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on April 05, 2014, 10:17:53 PM
Off the Grand National topic, sad to hear of the passing of Azamour. Remember him winning the King George when I was only getting into racing - just watched that race again, rare to see any horse win like he did that day. Last to first in a big field and won going away.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Harold Disgracey on April 05, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Had £2 each way on the winner, a nice wee £66.50.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 06, 2014, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 05, 2014, 04:26:41 PM
Pineau de re

Great post.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2014, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on April 05, 2014, 10:17:53 PM
Off the Grand National topic, sad to hear of the passing of Azamour. Remember him winning the King George when I was only getting into racing - just watched that race again, rare to see any horse win like he did that day. Last to first in a big field and won going away.

I loved Azamour ever since the day he had that titanic battle with Relaxed Gesture all the way up the straight at the Curragh. I saw him last year down in Gilltown with the great Sea The Stars and Dalakhani. He looked a million dollars. Sad to hear of his demise.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on April 07, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 05, 2014, 05:00:24 PM
If ever a big owner needed a good racing manager it's Barry Connell.

Race has changed when PDR can win this. Barry said he would have retired him rather than aiming him at the National. He suggested the horse to the good doctor himself because he thought he would be handicapped out of races in Ireland.

Third french bred in last 6 to win. Hadn't won a Grade 3 chase or better either. Weight and Age stats holding up.
Title: Buateoir
Post by: drici on April 21, 2014, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2014, 12:01:22 PM

Shut the front door!


Great picking Orior - owe you a few pints.
Title: Re: Buateoir
Post by: charlieTully on April 21, 2014, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: drici on April 21, 2014, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2014, 12:01:22 PM

Shut the front door!


Great picking Orior - owe you a few pints.

yip, imagine picking the fav, great indeed. wish I had that talent.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 27, 2014, 09:34:50 PM
Punchestown this week boys,any fancies? Think i'll go down Friday to see Hurricane fly try beat Jezki and i wouldn't be too surprised if he did in what i suspect will be his last run  :'(.

Faugheen dropped in trip's an interesting 1,not a move i'd make myself but Willie knows better than i do.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2014, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 27, 2014, 09:34:50 PM
Punchestown this week boys,any fancies? Think i'll go down Friday to see Hurricane fly try beat Jezki and i wouldn't be too surprised if he did in what i suspect will be his last run  :'(.

Faugheen dropped in trip's an interesting 1,not a move i'd make myself but Willie knows better than i do.

I walked the track today and it's in great nick. It's disappointing there is not more UK representation in the big races but there should be some good action nonetheless.

Faugheen is a strange one. He should have too much class regardless of the trip but he didn't strike me as a horse who would improve for a sharper test at Cheltenham. It would not surprise me in the slightest if he ran on Tuesday and then again on Friday.

I expect Walsh to ride Boston Bob on Wednesday and think he will win. I know Rolling Aces let the form down at Sandown but Boston Bob has always promised to be a better horse over three miles. He's only beginning to come back to himself now after what happened him in the spring last year.

On The Fringe is potentially very interesting if he lines up in the La Touche. He ran a cracker in the Foxhunters and could be better over the banks and stone walls.

The entries for the Bishopscourt Cup won't be known until tomorrow but I have already been reliably informed of three different horses who "can't be beaten" in it!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 29, 2014, 11:05:16 AM
Looking forward to this evenings racing,looks extremely open heats so not sure i'll have a punt but there's a few horses i'll be keen to see,of course Faugheen will be the real interesting 1 for future but in that same race i'll be interested to see how Western Boy(finished his race very well at Cheltenham and has apparently improved again) and The Liquidator who  i backed antepost for the Supreme but he finished nearer the back of the field than the front after travelling well up front until 2 out but Pipe openly admitted having a lot of trouble trying to get him ready for it and he looked big beforehand so he should come on for it and i'd like to see him run well after his bumper win here last year but if he doesn't i'll be forgetting about him.

In the Novice chase i've been following Don Cossack all year and he's been both consistent and disappointing,hard to know what to make of him at all,usually travels well and i thought he was soft until he outbattled Carlingford Lough earlier in the season but he has since looked far from a battler against Ballycasey and Holywell either side of a fall in the RSA,it could be that he lacks gears and just needs a real good gallop and horses coming back to him at the end,again i'll be hoping he runs well but if he doesn't i'll be forgetting about him for next year.
Morning assembly's in the same race and has arguably the best form of the Irish but Djakadam probably deserves to be favourite getting 9lb off everything,again unlikely i'll have a punt unless a small e/w on Don Cossack if he's a fair price.

In the Champion chase i hope Sizing Europe wins but at his age i'd be surprised,if i was forced to have a punt id probably back Module but i'll be leaving it alone.

The Handicap hurdle is a minefield but 2 that might be worth a look are Waxies Dargle who was pulled up last time out but his previous race was a win off levels against Daneking (now rated 137) and the highly regarded Le Vent Dantan and Carberry onboard's always an asset, the other is Dalasiri who hasn't the most exciting looking form but won a Juvenile hurdle last year at this meeting after getting well punted to beat Gassin Golf giving him 7lb and although that isn't great form i wouldn't be surprised to see that horse improve if the money arrives(but only if the money arrives).
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 29, 2014, 12:41:17 PM
Djakadam out
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 30, 2014, 05:41:48 PM
Cheers for that write up earlier in the week DH,i had no strong fancy for the Gold cup and thought there were 4 or 5 could win but when i seen you sounding as keen on BB my mind was made up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2014, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 30, 2014, 05:41:48 PM
Cheers for that write up earlier in the week DH,i had no strong fancy for the Gold cup and thought there were 4 or 5 could win but when i seen you sounding as keen on BB my mind was made up.

Thanks BB. He's always threatened to be a top notcher. It's starting to come together for him now. Better late than never.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 01, 2014, 10:55:22 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2014, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 27, 2014, 09:34:50 PM
Punchestown this week boys,any fancies? Think i'll go down Friday to see Hurricane fly try beat Jezki and i wouldn't be too surprised if he did in what i suspect will be his last run  :'(.

Faugheen dropped in trip's an interesting 1,not a move i'd make myself but Willie knows better than i do.

I walked the track today and it's in great nick. It's disappointing there is not more UK representation in the big races but there should be some good action nonetheless.

Faugheen is a strange one. He should have too much class regardless of the trip but he didn't strike me as a horse who would improve for a sharper test at Cheltenham. It would not surprise me in the slightest if he ran on Tuesday and then again on Friday.

I expect Walsh to ride Boston Bob on Wednesday and think he will win. I know Rolling Aces let the form down at Sandown but Boston Bob has always promised to be a better horse over three miles. He's only beginning to come back to himself now after what happened him in the spring last year.

On The Fringe is potentially very interesting if he lines up in the La Touche. He ran a cracker in the Foxhunters and could be better over the banks and stone walls.

The entries for the Bishopscourt Cup won't be known until tomorrow but I have already been reliably informed of three different horses who "can't be beaten" in it!!
Have you decided on 1 for the Bishopscourt DH? Maybe it'll be a 3 horse dead heat  :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 01, 2014, 11:44:25 PM
Hasty Times. Slightly tricky customer but he did manage to get his head in front at Monksgrange a month ago. I think they will be disappointed if he's out of the first three.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 02, 2014, 09:58:07 AM
DH,hopefully you get to see this,i'm going today but using Bus Eireann for the 1st time,which bus stop would be handiest to head for the course from?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 25, 2014, 11:17:00 PM
Maybe this has been put up before,no harm if it has but  here's a link to a youtube account with a huge number of past races http://www.youtube.com/user/espmadrid. I had heard a lot about Carberrys ride on Frenchmans creek and finally got to see it there,might be of interest to some of you lads to bring back a few old memories.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 29, 2014, 03:38:44 AM
California Chrome going for the Triple Crown on 7th of June, would be the first TC Winner since 1978.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 18, 2014, 12:42:07 PM
Anyone got any fancies for Royal ascot? I was hearing good things about Mustajeeb at the weekend and after seeing Kingmans run yesterday i don't think his 4 length defeat to him looks bad form now and have had a few bob e/w.

In the fillies race later in the card Willie Mc Creery sends over Fiesolana and i think she's a bit overpriced at 18/1 and have had a few  bob e/w. She was 2nd last time a short head behind Purr along and 2lb better off here but Purr along's 11 and 12/1 with the bookies,the 5th horse in that race Pearl of Africa won a listed race last week at leopardstown(different ground) so the form mightn't be too bad.

Sky Lantern came on a tonne for her 1st run last year so i'd be surprised if she wins and i find it hard to see the fav Integral as the superstar some claim her to be although i find that to be the case with me and a lot of Stoutes horses so maybe i subconsciously have something against his stable. The horse that beat her last time and reopposes today Esoterique had hardly set the world alight in France either so i wouldn't be completely surprised if Fiesolana and Purr along are both in the 1st 3 or 4. Well hopefully  :P

In the Prince of Wales i'd be very surprised to see Treve beat,the only thing stopping me having a big bet is it's her 1st run outside France.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2014, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 18, 2014, 12:42:07 PM
In the fillies race later in the card Willie Mc Creery sends over Fiesolana and i think she's a bit overpriced at 18/1

He'll near be a better trainer than he was a midfielder if he keeps going the way he is at the moment!

I know a few who are very sweet about My Titania in the Coronation on Friday. They fancied her for Newmarket but she had a setback the week before. She will love the quicker ground.

Hard to look past Leading Light tomorrow in the Gold Cup but he's not much of a price now. Very taking reappearance at Navan a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
Well done with Mustajeeb Beer Baron. DKW is having a great year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 19, 2014, 01:19:23 PM
Cheers DH,was quite impressed with the run after being at the front for so long,as for Weld he'll have no horses well handicapped at Galway the way he's going  :P.

I was happy with Fiesolanas run too(just flattened a bit the last half furlong) but Purr along confirmed the form from their previous meeting so i was wrong on that front and i was also wrong about Integral,nice performance from her.

As for Treve a furlong in i was glad i hadn't backed her,never seemed to be enjoying it,Frankie looking over and back and around isn't exactly something i'd expect off him if he feels he's going well.

Been a poor week for the O'Briens but The horse in the 1st is highly regarded and Leading light should be hard beat too but i'll not be backing either at odds on . For some reason i'm drawn to their horse Carlo Bugatti in the last off top weight,his run at Galway last year on his 1st appearance on a racecourse caught my eye. His 1st run this year was decent finishing about 4 lengths behind fascinating rock before flopping in the Chester Vase when emptying quickly in the last 2 furlongs . I'm a bit surprised O'Briens kept him at the trip but he went from the front that day so could get dropped in and cheekpieces might help him put it all in at the business end . I'm a sucker for following these horses  that catch my eye in 1 race and following them for  3 or 4 runs before i see the light   :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2014, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 19, 2014, 01:19:23 PM
Been a poor week for the O'Briens but The horse in the 1st is highly regarded and Leading light should be hard beat too but i'll not be backing either at odds on . For some reason i'm drawn to their horse Carlo Bugatti in the last off top weight,his run at Galway last year on his 1st appearance on a racecourse caught my eye. His 1st run this year was decent finishing about 4 lengths behind fascinating rock before flopping in the Chester Vase when emptying quickly in the last 2 furlongs . I'm a bit surprised O'Briens kept him at the trip but he went from the front that day so could get dropped in and cheekpieces might help him put it all in at the business end . I'm a sucker for following these horses  that catch my eye in 1 race and following them for  3 or 4 runs before i see the light   :P

Expect the O'Briens to have a good day today. They haven't had many fancied horses running yet. The horse in the Queen Anne, the 2yo in the Coventry, Magician and Giovanni Boldini all ran well without being strongly fancied. I get the impression his fillies are way behind this year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WT4E on June 19, 2014, 01:42:49 PM
Might be going to Leopardstown this evening - Haven't been following the racing as much recently - any insights?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 19, 2014, 02:01:35 PM
I know some of ye lads here will be interested in this. Best of luck to him.. (From Midlands Radio 3 Sport)

Quote15 months after his life changing fall at the Cheltenham Festival, John Thomas McNamara has returned to his home village of Croom in County Limerick for the first time.
He flew back to Ireland on tuesday from a rehabilitation unit in North West England.
In a statement issued through the Turf Club JT and his family have issued their heartfelt thanks for the support of everyone,.
The Racing Community on both sides of the Irish Sea have reacted with delight...
Speaking to Mike Vince at Royal Ascot, this is the reaction of Ruby Walsh:
https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/ruby-walsh-on-jt-mcnamara
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on June 19, 2014, 02:08:59 PM
Glad to hear that AZ.

I heard he was being delayed in getting home because of some hold up in granting planning for some modifications to his house.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 19, 2014, 04:50:16 PM
That's the best news I have heard all week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on June 21, 2014, 12:16:29 PM
Halfords horse Toscanini with Foley onboard is expected to run a big race in the 1st at Ascot.

I like eye of the storm  e/w in the hardwick,a 4 length defeat to Missunited on his reappearance doesn't look bad form after her run the other day.

Could be a good day for the Irish with the like of Slade power,Gordon Lord Byron and Pique sous all likely to run good races.
Title: 4-25
Post by: drici on June 21, 2014, 04:44:49 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 21, 2014, 12:16:29 PM

Could be a good day for the Irish with the like of Slade Power


7/2x

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLsw668PVyY
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 26, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Some performance by Taghrooda there  :o Still can't stand to look at Gosden for some reason though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: barelegs on July 26, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
She was very impressive alright.  The first crop of Sea The Stars has thrown up a couple of  real stars with Taghrooda and Sea The Moon. The Arc is really shaping up to be some race!

I'm not overly fussed on Gosden either but I'd take him every day of the week over Michael Stoute. I have to say I enjoyed Nick Luck's interview with Stoute about the morphine positives. He couldn't have looked more uncomfortable
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
Sea The Stars progeny are only going to get better. He was never going to get sharp 2yos.

I really like Gosden as a trainer. A lot of those big flat trainers over in the UK are nothing more than one trick ponies. I know of a few people who are very familiar with Gosden after his spell down in Ballydoyle with MV and they have great time for him.

JT McNamara was admitted to the ICU in Limerick University Hospital with a respiratory infection the Thursday before last. His condition is improving and hopefully he will be home again before long.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on July 26, 2014, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
Sea The Stars progeny are only going to get better. He was never going to get sharp 2yos.

I really like Gosden as a trainer. A lot of those big flat trainers over in the UK are nothing more than one trick ponies. I know of a few people who are very familiar with Gosden after his spell down in Ballydoyle with MV and they have great time for him.

JT McNamara was admitted to the ICU in Limerick University Hospital with a respiratory infection the Thursday before last. His condition is improving and hopefully he will be home again before long.

I like Gosden too. Could listen to him talking about horses all day. He had a great association with Frankie in the early days and can turn out winners usually at decent prices.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deiseach on August 14, 2014, 09:57:52 AM
I'm off to the races in Tramore with work tomorrow evening. Anyone here willing to overlook any previous jaundiced statements I might have made about the Sport of Kings and share a tip from the first couple of races?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 21, 2014, 04:22:29 PM
Jamie Spencer retiring at the end of the season,and taking up a job on the Qatar racing management team. Am i missing something? He's only in his early 30's isn't he?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sammymaguire on August 22, 2014, 08:40:29 AM
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Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on August 22, 2014, 09:23:57 AM
Quote from: beer baron on August 21, 2014, 04:22:29 PM
Jamie Spencer retiring at the end of the season,and taking up a job on the Qatar racing management team. Am i missing something? He's only in his early 30's isn't he?
He probably just wants to eat bacon sandwiches and drink beer. Can't blame a man for that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 22, 2014, 09:10:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2014, 09:23:57 AM
Quote from: beer baron on August 21, 2014, 04:22:29 PM
Jamie Spencer retiring at the end of the season,and taking up a job on the Qatar racing management team. Am i missing something? He's only in his early 30's isn't he?
He probably just wants to eat bacon sandwiches and drink beer. Can't blame a man for that.

Very true that could be it. Although the fact that Atzeni's been announced so quickly would suggest to me he had been lined up and Spencer was told jump or be pushed.

What about Sole power today,he's like a lightning bolt and apparently had an interrupted prep in the run up to this with a dose of ringworm.
Eddie Lynam having an unbelievable season with him and Slade power. Apparently Slade power's got ringworm now too and might miss the Sprint cup at Haydock,if he made it there he'd be very hard beat. That'd be Lynam with all 5 group 1 sprints in Britain this year  :o Surely no Irish trainer has done that before?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 22, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
Spencer is probably just not enjoying it anymore. He has won plenty of big races over the course of his career and went on to do very well for himself after his godfather gave him the elbow ten years ago. He was probably a bit too young when he got the Ballydoyle gig. Had he got it later on in his career I think he would have made a better fist of it.

Quote from: beer baron on August 22, 2014, 09:10:32 PM
Eddie Lynam having an unbelievable season with him and Slade power. Apparently Slade power's got ringworm now too and might miss the Sprint cup at Haydock,if he made it there he'd be very hard beat. That'd be Lynam with all 5 group 1 sprints in Britain this year  :o Surely no Irish trainer has done that before?

It just goes to show the depth in the Irish training ranks beyond Aidan. DK is having a great season and had another big festival winner today to go with his Cheltenham and Royal Ascot successes.

I'm not sure if any trainer has ever won all those sprints in the one season although some of them have only been upgraded to Group 1 status in recent years. MV must have been close to doing it in the 70s. He had some great sprinters back then like Thatching (grandsire of Hardy Eustace!), Abergwaun, Godswalk and Solinus.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 09, 2014, 08:54:56 PM
Andrew Lynch no longer retained rider for the Potts' horses with young Johnny Burke taking  over,bit of a shock  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 09, 2014, 10:06:43 PM
Lynch has been broken up quite badly in the last few years but Potts is well known to be as mad as a box of frogs. He would be far better off finding himself a decent bloodstock advisor. He has some amount of rubbish stock for the amount of money he has ploughed into the game.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 16, 2014, 11:52:15 AM
Sad news about Oliver Brady this morning. He never failed to put a smile on people's faces. The national hunt scene will be a duller place without him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on September 16, 2014, 12:59:43 PM
RIP. He was some character alright.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 18, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
Tiger roll an outsider for the Champion hurdle? Just beat a highly regarded horse of Nicholls' giving him 8lb despite not being 100% fit(from what i hear). He's genuine anyway,had his head down the whole way up the hill,mightn't quite have the pace come March but he's still a baby and could be anything to my eyes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on October 18, 2014, 06:58:45 PM
Was irked cheltenham wasn't on c4 or attheraces today. Think i backed one horse in the whole flat season. Roll on the national hunt.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 19, 2014, 07:56:35 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 18, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
Tiger roll an outsider for the Champion hurdle? Just beat a highly regarded horse of Nicholls' giving him 8lb despite not being 100% fit(from what i hear). He's genuine anyway,had his head down the whole way up the hill,mightn't quite have the pace come March but he's still a baby and could be anything to my eyes.

I think we will see the best of him over a trip. His dam was a decent mare on the flat for Tommy Stack and she stayed all day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2014, 04:24:13 PM
Very interesting to see what the fallout from the Philip Fenton case will be.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 23, 2014, 05:45:51 PM
I'd be thinking the big boys Gigginstown and Barry Connell will be taking their animals out of the yard anyway,although i had heard rumours of Connell moving a lot of his horses to one trainer anyway but the name of the trainer escapes me as it was a name that didn't sound familiar to me?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 23, 2014, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 23, 2014, 05:45:51 PM
I'd be thinking the big boys Gigginstown and Barry Connell will be taking their animals out of the yard anyway,although i had heard rumours of Connell moving a lot of his horses to one trainer anyway but the name of the trainer escapes me as it was a name that didn't sound familiar to me?

Alan Fleming. He used to train Starluck over in England. He has moved home and has a yard on the Curragh. He has had two runners for Barry Connell in recent weeks: Deputy's Pass and Investment Success.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 23, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
How did i know you'd be able to help :D Yeah that's the 1   ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2014, 05:24:47 PM
RIP Dessie Hughes.

One of the finest jockeys and trainers this island has ever produced.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on November 17, 2014, 12:35:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 16, 2014, 05:24:47 PM
RIP Dessie Hughes.

One of the finest jockeys and trainers this island has ever produced.

Came across as an absolute gentleman the few times i spoke to him,a big loss to the racing world R.I.P. Speaks volumes of Richard how he conducted himself the past few months under big pressure winning the jockeys championship whilst all the while knowing his dad hadn't long left.

On a lighter note it was great to see Hurricane fly winning yesterday,i was thinking they should've retired after Punchestown because he appeared to my eyes to not put it all in in the finish both at Cheltenham and Punchestown and i thought he just might've had enough but the break seems to have brought back his appetite. Be interesting to see now if they continue with the plans to step him up in trip or stick to 2 miles.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 04, 2014, 03:41:32 PM
Davy Russells some boyo  ;D http://gfycat.com/WatchfulAcademicAxolotl
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on December 04, 2014, 03:56:29 PM
Ha Ha. I remember Lester doing it years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH3S5kq2oSg
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 04, 2014, 04:55:11 PM
Jason McKeown took Donal Devereux's whip coming down the hill at Cheltenham in an amateur rider's chase a few years ago. He went on to win the race. It was the same day that Russell took a shortcut to win the Cross Country chase.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: macdanger2 on December 26, 2014, 01:08:43 PM
Anything worth backing today in Limerick, leopardstown or Kempton?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on December 26, 2014, 01:21:29 PM
2.40 limerick. anybody hear anything on Sligo publican?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 29, 2014, 12:48:24 PM
Any tips for Leopardstown today ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on December 29, 2014, 06:28:18 PM
Hurricane Fly. Legend of a horse. 21 Grade one victories and counting!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on December 29, 2014, 06:41:35 PM
Is horse racing an actual sport?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 29, 2014, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on December 29, 2014, 06:28:18 PM
Hurricane Fly. Legend of a horse. 21 Grade one victories and counting!

Remember they used to say he'd Find nothing off the bridle  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 29, 2014, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on December 29, 2014, 06:41:35 PM
Is horse racing an actual sport?

Only if you are a King
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 29, 2014, 09:51:09 PM
By the time March rolls around it will be exactly 8 years since Hurricane Fly beat Literato (who went on to win that year's Champion Stakes at Newmarket) by a cosy two lengths in a listed race around Saint Cloud. To still be competing at the highest level all these years later is an impressive feat. To be beating the current Champion Hurdler for the second consecutive race is remarkable. There will be few backing against him completing the hat trick against Jezki next month.

I wonder will Faugheen go to the Red Mills at Gowran now?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on December 30, 2014, 12:43:10 AM
Quote from: ardchieftain on December 29, 2014, 06:28:18 PM
Hurricane Fly. Legend of a horse. 21 Grade one victories and counting!

Much appreciated. Another great victory by a real warrior of a horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 07, 2015, 04:00:18 PM
Very quiet on here.

Any nice ante post tickets for the festivals yet? Some of he bigger boo lies are going non runner no bet for the 4 championship races now. In think I g of backing Dynaste at 20/1 for the gold cup as although the Ryanair seems the preference at the minute i could see them changing course if the Ryanair ends up as.competitive as it looks like it could be. My old.pal don Cossack for one will be in it. If Dynaste does go Gold cup i could see him possibly going off in singular figures despite stamina reservations after a promising run in the king George and the course and ground likely to suit him more than the winner that day.

My only ante post bet at the minute is Tiger roll who i backed before the non runner no bet and hed wanna improve a good bit in the irish champion at the end of the month or he wont even turn up in March.

Apache strongholds one i want to keep on side jumped impeccably last time and looked the winner until outstayed by Don poli which is nothing to be ashamed of. Hell improve for the likely  good ground in March and I'd like to know his plans.  Anyone got an ear in Meades yard  could suggest if jlt or RSA more likely?

Finally if the Faugheen hype keeps going as it has hell go odds on by racetime and ill be laying him. As impressive as he has been he still doesn't jump like a champion hurdler for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 07, 2015, 04:11:03 PM
Right enough it is very quiet...DH are you bankrupt? no tips or fancies this long time...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 07, 2015, 05:12:43 PM
The whole NH scene over here has gone a bit boring with the Mullins domination. It's almost worse across the water with their silly whip rules and missing out half the jumps when a ray of sun peeps out from behind a cloud.

The buzz has gone out of the Cheltenham markets for me. There's too much choice now with the four days and all these new makey upey races. Most trainers and owners are also far too quick to pull horses out of big races early in the season and avoid the other big guns where possible. This idea that every good horse has to be wrapped up in cotton wool is a nonsense in my opinion. They're bred to race, not stand in their box for half the year and in a field for the other half. It's very hard to find any bit of value in the antepost markets anymore. Bookmakers only seem to want customers with their weekend soccer coupons and blindly punting every donkey going on the bucket and sand dross of a weekday. Apologies for the Ted Walsh like rant!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: deiseach on January 08, 2015, 09:09:39 AM
Nice article in the Christmas issue of the Economist on Barney Curley:

QuoteOnly fools and horses (http://www.economist.com/news/christmas-specials/21636505-how-perfectly-legal-heists-racehorse-trainer-and-former-seminarian-made-him)
How the perfectly legal heists of a racehorse-trainer and former seminarian made him the bane of the bookies


INDUS VALLEY is an unremarkable horse, or so punters thought when it ran in the 4.25 at Kempton Park, a racetrack on the outskirts of London, on January 22nd 2014. Given that it had been beaten by an aggregate of 104 lengths in its previous four outings—and had not competed at all for two years—odds of 25-to-1 seemed generous. Indus Valley won. Two earlier, minor races at other English tracks that Wednesday had featured unlikely comebacks by mounts that had been out of action for months. The 6.25 at Kempton Park delivered a final surprise. Low Key—an aptly named horse given its lack of pedigree, more so since it was running its first race since being castrated—finished well ahead of the pack. Obscure midwinter horse-racing is often unpredictable; still, what were the odds of four horses who had not won a race between them since 2010 all triumphing on the same day?

The answer, as bookmakers soon discovered, was 9,000-to-1. Wagering just £112 ($184) on all four was enough to yield £1m. And thousands of pounds had indeed been wagered on two, three or all four no-hopers. Even before Low Key romped home with a length to spare, the writing was on the wall: the bookies had been hustled. And it wasn't hard to guess the culprit: Barney Curley, a 75-year-old Northern Irishman, former aspiring Jesuit priest, low-grade horse trainer and professional gambler, had once owned three of the four winners. Their current trainers were former employees of his Newmarket yard or otherwise associated with him. Betting on horses blessed with a sudden improvement in form was as much a Curley trademark as the beige fedora on his bald pate.

Bookies denounced a "weapons-grade coup". One, Paddy Power, said it had lost nearly £1m; pundits speculated about losses of £15m for the industry overall, though the true figure was probably nearer £2m (bookmakers exaggerate such hits to play up punters' chances). Yet as in previous Curley plots—and there have been four decades' worth of them—none found a reason not to pay up. Part of the ingenuity of the schemes, part of the chutzpah, is the way they mix subterfuge with respect for the letter of the law. This was a heist, but a perfectly legal one.

Play it again, Sam

When it comes to landing wagers on unlikely horses, Mr Curley has form ("Schemes, coups, call them what you like," he says, amused by the mystique that surrounds him). The template is simple. A horse with proven ability is purchased, often from overseas. It disappears for months or years, perhaps recovering from injury. When it finally competes, its performance is appalling. Because, in most low-quality races, faster horses are given additional weight to "handicap" them, losing badly can help a horse in future events by lowering its rating. On its next outing, the bookmakers (having never heard of the obscure horse) lure punters with prices of 20-to-1 or higher. Lo and behold, the nag rediscovers its form, beats a field of weighted-down stragglers and enriches its backers—ie, Mr Curley.

His first notable caper was in 1975, at Bellewstown, an Irish track more noted for its lovely setting than the quality of its racing. Mr Curley's horse, Yellow Sam, had not finished above eighth in two years; it was carrying 10kg less than some of its rivals. Yellow Sam's performance, however, was not Mr Curley's only concern, or even his main one. The real worry was the odds.

The trouble with odds is that they fluctuate. Bookies adjust them according to the betting: lots of money placed on a horse will result in worse odds for the punter. Prices for horses swing like those of shares on a stockmarket. Betting shops will refuse to take a wager altogether if they get wind of a "coup", and even in 1975 they already knew enough about Mr Curley to be wary.

He crafted a double-pronged strategy to befuddle them. A steady trickle of bets is harder to identify, and therefore counter, than a whopping IR£15,300 ($31,300) wager—the total amount Mr Curley put on Yellow Sam. So the first prong consisted of spreading his bets thinly, by having associates place them in hundreds of betting shops around Ireland rather than with the "turf accountants" at the track. That required serious organisation: dozens of "putters-on" from Bantry to Skibbereen and Ballymena, each placing IR£50 or IR£100 at around 150 betting shops in total, all within a few minutes of the race starting. "It was like a general massing his troops before battle," Mr Curley recalled in his autobiography; "maybe a better analogy was a bank robbery." A single loose lip would be enough to spoil the odds and foil the plot.

There was another risk to the odds, and thus to the operation. The prices used to calculate the winnings were those set by the trackside turf accountants when the race began. To prevent Yellow Sam drifting in from his original, lucrative odds of 20-to-1, it was vital that no word of the sums staked on him reached the course.

Thus the second prong of the ploy. Bellewstown had been picked not for its scenic appeal but for its antiquated communications: in 1975 a single public phone connected it to the outside world. A Curley man, Benny O'Hanlon—described by Mr Curley as "a balding, heavily built kind of fellow, a tough sort that you wouldn't want to get into an argument with"—occupied the phone line in the crucial run-up to the race. The effect of holding off the trackside bookies for 25 minutes, with a rococo yarn about reaching a dying aunt in an invented hospital, was to short-circuit their prices. By the time he hung up, the horses were running, and the bookmakers could only watch in despair as Yellow Sam won by 2½ lengths.

A few betting shops prevaricated when it came to paying out the IR£306,000 winnings, worth £2.3m today and said to be a record at the time. Some settled in single punt notes to convey their displeasure. They were well attuned to skulduggery in racing, notably the risk of "ringers", whereby a champion horse is run under the guise of an inferior one. But there was nothing illegal about the scheme. As for its mastermind: it helped Mr Curley recover from a bad run of bets, but that was almost an afterthought. Wealth is unimportant to him, he says in his gentle County Fermanagh brogue (rather less gentle in his famous trackside outbursts): it is worth much less than the satisfaction of gouging the bookmakers, a breed he holds in the lowest possible esteem. They bleed the sport of money, he argues; but the animosity has a personal tinge, too. "A small part of me", his autobiography confides, "regarded the success of the scheme as some kind of retribution for what had happened to my father twenty years before."

Charlie Curley, Barney's father, had made good through a reputable grocer's business and a less reputable knack for smuggling goods between Northern Ireland (where the family lived) and the Republic. It took a decade of betting on greyhounds to fritter away a modest fortune and then some. By 1956 he needed a big win to repay his debts. A last-ditch gamble involved a dog that had previously been "stopped" (made to run badly to lengthen its subsequent odds). Far from winning, the hound slipped and died mid-race, leaving the Curleys broke. At age 16 Barney was yanked from boarding school to help his father raise money. Like millions of penurious Irishmen before them, they crossed the Irish Sea to find work, winding up in Urmston, in Manchester's industrial shadow.

Earning £20 a day each, it took the two Curleys a year of double shifts in a plastics factory to pay off the family's debt. The time of sacrifice inspired Barney to become a priest upon his return to Ireland; he enlisted at a seminary in the hope of joining the Jesuits. He recalls those "halcyon days", despite—or perhaps because of—the deprivations his training entailed. Ironically it was in the seminary that he was introduced to horse-racing, joining friends at outings to Limerick Junction racecourse. It wasn't the horses that drew him from the church, however, but a bout of tuberculosis at the age of 22, which kept him at home for a year. He never returned to the seminary, though he still attends mass every day.

A motley string of occupations followed: smuggling razorblades and tyres across the north-south border; an insurance business in London (selling car insurance with no expectation of paying out claims); a perennially unprofitable pub in Omagh; pig farming. For a while Mr Curley's most stable career was as a pop impresario, promoting bands in the wake of Beatlemania. One of his acts, Frankie McBride and the Polka Dots, cracked the British Top 20 chart in 1967. Handily, the jobs left a fair bit of time for betting—even, during one spell, for working as a bookie. He met his wife Maureen in 1968 at the track at Killarney (his account of their first encounter notes in detail the names and fortunes of the horses he backed).

Training and betting on horses became his life's work. New tricks were developed to foil the bookies; most refused to take his bets. No matter, putters-on could always be found to cover his tracks. One ambitious scheme involved paying a British Telecom engineer he had befriended in a pub to knock out phone lines to the racetrack in Thirsk—a £1,000 investment that helped secure £80,000 in winnings on a 14-to-1 shot.

By 1978 Mr Curley was worth IR£1.2m, according to court documents. In the early 1980s, after the Yellow Sam coup had made it near-impossible for him to bet in Ireland, he moved to Newmarket, a market town 60 miles north of London dominated by the horsetrack on its western edge. This was the golden age of racing, then the only sport on which gambling was allowed bar the football pools. Two of Britain's four television channels broadcast races live. Mr Curley owned over 50 horses, some good enough to run in high-end meetings such as Ascot and Cheltenham. Even so, turning a profit from racing itself was tough. Making any sort of money meant betting, on the right horses at just the right time.

Brought to book

Mr Curley is respected as a trainer, albeit one whose success has mostly been at the lower end of the sport. "Curley has long been a master of extracting the maximum from the moderate—when the money was down," says Nick Townsend, author of "The Sure Thing", a book that details Mr Curley's betting prowess. Yet repeated run-ins with the authorities stymied any hopes of joining racing's establishment, which embraces Arab sheikhs and the queen.

Most sports have rules against participants wagering on their own contests. The idea of a football manager backing his team in some games but not others is far-fetched. Horse-racing is different: it is not so much a sport as an enterprise devised to give punters something to gamble on. In Britain, at all but the top, the prize money has long been insufficient to pay for the upkeep even of reasonably successful horses. Owners foot the bills on the promise of a fun day at the track, partly spent betting on their horses.

All the same, there are limits. Trainers and jockeys categorically must not bet against their own mounts. They must make every attempt to win every race they enter. Jockeys and their employers must "run a horse on its merits" or face the wrath of the British Horseracing Authority (BHA).

"Running a horse on its merits" and trying to win races are subtly different things, however. A mount best suited to a long, flat race can legitimately be entered for a short hurdle event, where it will struggle in the way Usain Bolt might in a marathon. An injured horse may well run on its merits but still end up dead last, so looking like a dud to bookies and handicappers. Only the trainer will know how well-suited a horse is to the conditions; whether it is race-fit; if it has improved since its last public outing. Using that inside information is firmly within the rules.

"Stopping a horse, laying a horse [betting against it and losing on purpose]: that to me is stealing," Mr Curley says. But that is not the same as sincerely hoping a horse will win every time: "I have never made any secret of running the horses to suit me, not the people in betting shops." On any given day, only he knows whether he is backing one of his horses.

Actually the BHA did once find him guilty of stopping a horse. In 2007 they concluded there had been a "deliberate attempt to conceal the true ability" of one of his mounts, Zabeel Palace, which was defeated by three lengths in an easy race in Nottingham. The panel found the horse had not been run on its merits; rather, it was "used in a preparatory way for another day". Mr Curley was fined £3,000 and the jockey in question suspended for 28 days. Soon after, Zabeel Palace disappeared for two years. It beat long odds to win on its return.

The heist of a lifetime

Probably wisely, most British bookies now refuse Mr Curley's wagers too; most offer unattractive odds on any horse even distantly associated with him. But while locking phone lines is no longer feasible, other ruses still work. Running multiple horses on the same day and betting on all of them to win, known as an accumulator, is one. Even with sophisticated risk models, bookmakers struggle to grasp the potential liabilities of compound bets. Just a few pounds placed in numerous betting shops—or, increasingly, online—can result in a jackpot, of a kind that would require suspiciously large sums to be put down on a single horse.

The trick, of course, is to get several horses to win on the same day. An attempt to pull off a multiple coup in April 2009 foundered when only two of five horses prevailed. The venture barely broke even. In May 2010 a superior plan landed three horses out of four (see chart), enough for an estimated payout of nearly £4m. Two online bookmakers, based in Gibraltar, handed over a reported £900,000 only after 21 months of wrangling.

That scheme paid out more because bookmakers failed to spot it until it was too late. By January 2014, speculation of a four-horse plot was all over the internet before the bets opened, pushing down the odds on Indus Valley, Low Key and the rest significantly. Still, that heist—which Mr Curley swears is the last of his 40-year career—was infinitely more satisfying. "Nobody will ever do it again!" he says.

Speaking at his home in Newmarket, he claims he has moved on: "the gambling, the horses, it's really not that important in the grand scheme of things." The stables are empty now. A giant St Bernard, Arney, growls at passers-by, and bites given the chance. Ashtrays overflowing with Silk Cut butts have been replaced by e-cigarette paraphernalia. It is a comfortable, middle-class life rather than a millionaire's.

Mr Curley says he has not been racing in two years, with one or two exceptions. Nor does he miss it. Mr Townsend, the author, claims younger associates now oversee the nuts-and-bolts of the schemes. But even advising them is impossible at his age, says Mr Curley, who has announced his retirement several times before. "These things take three to four years to organise."

His avowed lack of interest is slightly contradicted by a thumbed copy of that day's Racing Post. He is keener to discuss Direct Aid for Africa, a charity he founded in 1996 following the death of his son Charlie in a car crash. Whatever he has made from horses has gone to finance schools and hospitals in Zambia, he says. Many of his projects are linked to Catholic missions of the sort he might have joined had he stayed with the Jesuits. He visits several times a year, health permitting.

Friends and critics both acknowledge his charity work. Beyond that, British horse-racing is split over Mr Curley. Plenty think his schemes inject colour at a time when the sport badly needs it. Football long ago displaced racing as the betting man's main pastime. Racing is declining, particularly in its lower echelons; these days, dwindling audiences are drawn as much by the catering as by the horses. To his fans, Mr Curley is a Robin Hood figure who fleeced greedy betting chains, in coups that livened up otherwise dreary races. Yellow Sam's victory at Bellewstown is its only famous race. The horse has a bar named after it.

Critics say that, legal or otherwise, his schemes have besmirched a noble sport. "Barney Curley is a hero to many," says John McCririck, a pundit. "But the loser in all this is the punter. Racing shouldn't be run like that." Mr Curley's heists may be inimitable, but that doesn't stop people trying: by one estimate well over 50 outfits have had a go.

For their part the bookmakers are surprisingly good-natured about him. His antics demonstrate their fallibility, which is a fine way to attract punters. The likes of Ladbrokes and William Hill have diversified away from horses anyway. Step into one of their high-street shops nowadays, and the action will probably be dominated not by Ascot or Newmarket but by gaming terminals. Often the only horses run in "virtual races", where customers bet on imaginary, computer-generated jockeys riding imaginary mounts. Punters have no need to study a horse's form, the firmness of the ground, or the look on the jockey's face at the starting gate. The 20-to-1 shot wins as many times as, mathematically, it should. It is all utterly charmless, but at least you don't have to wonder if Barney Curley ever owned any of the runners.
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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 10, 2015, 09:38:06 PM
Harold Kirk must be on a big retainer if he is the one buying all these Ricci horses. Douvan looked another superstar in waiting today.
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Post by: redzone on January 18, 2015, 02:19:35 PM
I see duggan has a word for jett in the last at leopardstown today
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Post by: beer baron on January 18, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Serious amount of talk going around for this Jett horse. A bit too much for my liking.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him well beaten. Good luck though if you've him backed.
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Post by: beer baron on January 18, 2015, 03:55:29 PM
Ran a good race both the front 2 were well clear of  the 3rd. The winner could be smart.
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Post by: beer baron on January 25, 2015, 02:55:37 PM
Hurricane fly is something else. I was thinking he's be 3rd or 4th going down the back.
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Post by: macdanger2 on January 25, 2015, 07:45:30 PM
Class horse. Commentary on radio 1 was excellent for it today.
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Post by: charlieTully on January 25, 2015, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 25, 2015, 02:55:37 PM
Hurricane fly is something else. I was thinking he's be 3rd or 4th going down the back.

wouldnt it be brilliant if he could win the champion hurdle again, will Ruby be on Faugheen or the fly?
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Post by: ardchieftain on January 25, 2015, 10:00:51 PM
Another exhilarating performance from Hurricane Fly and a serious reception from the crowd.
Ruby said he'd leave it until the Sunday before Cheltenham before deciding who to ride in the Champion Hurdle. I don't envy him the dilemma. Faugheen may be fast but is young and for me is not the greatest of jumpers.
Un De Seaux looks like the real deal.
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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 25, 2015, 11:46:31 PM
Walsh will be on Faugheen and he will win it.

Hurricane Fly is just a remarkable horse. Better than Istabraq? His dam has a number of foals yet to run. There's one by Desert King, another by Shirocco, I think there's one by Yeats and she is currently in foal to Camelot.
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Post by: beer baron on February 01, 2015, 04:40:17 PM
Edeymi ran a very eyecatching race in  the Pertemps qualifier over in Musselburgh  ;D I'm sure i'm not the only one to spot it mind you.
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Post by: beer baron on February 07, 2015, 03:54:25 PM
Mc Coy to retire at the end of the season  :( I can't remember racing without him,going to be weird.
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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 07, 2015, 04:07:16 PM
He will leave a huge void in national hunt racing. Such a great ambassador for the game.
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Post by: redcard on February 08, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Given gigginstowns record in Ireland this year is First Lieutenant not a good ew bet today.
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Post by: beer baron on February 08, 2015, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: redcard on February 08, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Given gigginstowns record in Ireland this year is First Lieutenant not a good ew bet today.

I certainly wouldn't put you off backing him, his form this season isn't great but he's had excuses and if near his best is a real good animal,his 1st runs never great and then his 2nd run was on proper heavy ground,todays ground should be a lot better and there's a few at the top of the betting i wouldn't touch.
Foxrock  has had 2 tough handicaps in about 6 weeks and now steps up in class,couldn't back him today, Lord Windermere is an out and out stayer and i don't think this will be enough of a test and he's all eyes towards March anyway i think, i couldn't rule out the 2 Mullens horses but wouldn't back them with Boston Bob having Gold cup as his main target too it would appear. Carlingford Lough had a good comeback appearance and could go well. Bryan Cooper could do worse than go out and try make the running on FL because he could get an easy lead and that brings me to the one  I've backed Texas Jack e/w for a bit of value, with it looking like there's no front runner and will be less of a stamina test it'll suit him down to the ground and he ran well in this last year before tiring on the heavy ground.

Serious card all round,couple of highly regarded Juveniles in the 1st in Kalkir and Vercinetorix and the Meade horse attracting some e/w money this morning too. Then there's the Novice hurdle and the Novice chase which will both give plenty of clues for the months ahead but it's hard to have a strong opinion on the races but i do think Apache stronghold will be a lot closer to Valseur lido than in the Drinmore ealrier in the season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 08, 2015, 03:58:39 PM
And that man's retiring  :o
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Post by: Duckquay on February 24, 2015, 08:16:19 PM
DH I think you had highlighted Monksland for the World Hurdle two years ago. Always an horse I've liked. Any value at 12s this year?
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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2015, 09:55:02 PM
Open race and he should improve for some nice ground although he wouldn't be my idea of a bet at 12/1. He will be at least that if not much bigger odds on the day.
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Post by: charlieTully on February 25, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 24, 2015, 09:55:02 PM
Open race and he should improve for some nice ground although he wouldn't be my idea of a bet at 12/1. He will be at least that if not much bigger odds on the day.

Would you fancy rock on Ruby at all in the world hurdle?
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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 25, 2015, 04:55:06 PM
Noel Fehily not likely to be on board. That would put me off him.
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Post by: ardchieftain on February 25, 2015, 05:06:16 PM
Fancy Rock on Ruby strongly but didn't realise Fehilly wasn't riding. Why's that DH?
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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 25, 2015, 05:09:48 PM
He has a retainer with Zarkandar's owners.
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Post by: beer baron on February 25, 2015, 05:44:38 PM
I was thinking Monksland would be my World hurdle horse up until his last run when he was beaten getting weight off Dedigout which disappointed me a lot and i kind of had put him to the back of my mind but Dedigout went and won again last week and i'm starting to think  Monksland had excuses that day, Condon had never ridden him before and probably arrived too early on him and ground was apparently an absolute mess that day too. Carberry will be back onboard in March and they all have questions to answer. I can think of worrse e/w shots he's available at 16/1 and 14/1 but he should be that on the day anyway.

Robert Tyners horse Byerley babe who finished 2nd behind Foxrock off 134 in January has got a mark of 139 by Phil Smith and i'll have an eye on her in whichever race she runs in as she travelled very sweetly that day but was outstayed by a rapidly improving animal.

I can see a lot of punters going home without the shirts on their back on the Tuesday with all the talk i'm hearing of Mullins 4 'certs' on the 1st day and how many lads i've had telling me to get on the 4 timer as it's easy money  ::).
I just can't see it happening,there's none of the 4 hotpots  that i'd be overly shocked to see beaten,namely Douvan,Faugheen,Annie Power and less so Un De Sceaux as i think he is a bit of a monster and if handling the occassion and staying on his feet  he will win but  at the odds of 4/7 i can't back him.

I'm contemplating laying Douvan if he gets any shorter(doubtful)  and was going to lay Faugheen(if he goes under evens) if i'm honest but i seem to remember DH you saying you fancy Faugheen to win which has kind of made me think of avoiding doing so  ;D as you're a lot better judge than I.

Before i finish up i'll throw another thing in here that'll be shot down pretty swiftly i reckon but what the heck  ;D, Dodging Bullets to beat the 2 big boys in the Champion chase,do it  8)
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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 25, 2015, 06:17:11 PM
Yeah those multiples are manna from heaven for the layers. It's Murphy's Law, something will inevitably go wrong with one of them. Douvan could indeed be anything and it does not look a deep renewal of the Supreme but he will face quicker ground for the first time and Henderson's horse has also done nothing wrong. The speed Un De Sceaux goes at leaves him vulnerable if he meets a fence wrong just like he did at Thurles. If he learns to relax and how to pop a fence when not on stride he will be a superstar. Annie Power will have been off the racecourse since last Punchestown. Much like Quevega before her she will have stones in hand of the opposition but you only have to think back to 2013 and 2014 when Quevega had to produce something special just to win despite being easily the best mare around.

Faugheen is the one I would be most confident about. I just can't come up with many scenarios that will see him beaten. Walsh will be kicking on at two out and there won't be anything that will be able to go with him. Apart from Sprinter Sacre, he is the most exciting national hunt prospect I can remember since Nick Dundee was tearing up novice chases.

Two I will be against will be Don Cossack and Silviniaco Conte. Far too short the pair of them. I wouldn't be keen on that Dodging Bullets either (sorry BB!). Those flat breds don't win many chases at the Cheltenham festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on February 26, 2015, 05:27:10 PM
It will be interesting to see how Nicholls chasers get on this time around. He hasnt won a chase at the Festival since Kauto Star's Gold Cup in 2009. He will say that he has his best team since then but an awful lot of these horses DB and SC amongst them have been to the Festival before and disappointed.

IMO you cant keep horses peaked all season long and he has a broader pot hunting focus which means his horses arent solely primed for Cheltenham like virtually every other runner.

Mullins could clean up on Tuesday but dont think he will have it his own way after that. Djakadam could win the Gold Cup though.

There is a good Cheltenham Preview report thread here for the festival addicts http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showthread.php?4814-2015-Cheltenham-Festival-Preview-Night-Reports/page7
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 03, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Getting close now!! This day week we will be digesting the morning line, CHELTMENTAL!!!

Here's hoping that a decent week will pay for a few guinness and a nights stay in dublin for Paddys day  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 07, 2015, 01:04:45 PM
Richard Hughes to retire at the end of the season and embark on a training career. I wonder will he move back home and take over the yard from his sister?
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Post by: beer baron on March 07, 2015, 02:16:37 PM
Rumour has it one of the owners from Hannons yard are  sending him a few 2year olds so must be setting up shop himself over there if true?
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Post by: beer baron on March 07, 2015, 02:17:42 PM
Oh and shock horror Ruby has picked Faugheen.
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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 07, 2015, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 07, 2015, 02:16:37 PM
Rumour has it one of the owners from Hannons yard are  sending him a few 2year olds so must be setting up shop himself over there if true?

The smart money would be on him staying put but Tinkler was one of Hannon's successful owners and he already moved most of his to Johnny Murtagh's so it's not like it hasn't happened before. Qatar are also looking to expand their Irish operation. They paid crazy money for a 100 acre stud farm down near Croom not so long ago.

An already long established family yard in one of the finest training centres in the world might be hard for him to turn down.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 09, 2015, 02:34:24 PM
Enjoyed this . . .

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/horse-racing/33-things-happen-cheltenham-festival-2015/16491
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 09, 2015, 08:03:50 PM
Not long now.................. gotta love it!!!!
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Post by: stiffler on March 09, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Is there a competition this yr ?
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Post by: beer baron on March 10, 2015, 01:19:03 AM
Douvan to get the bookies off to a great start that's my first Premonition of the week.
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Post by: macdanger2 on March 10, 2015, 09:37:22 AM
For the horse racing lads on here - if you were to back one horse at Cheltenham this week, who would it be?
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Post by: illdecide on March 10, 2015, 09:43:28 AM
Very quiet on this page...thought it would be buzzing today...Any of you Horse men any tips for today? Looked at the betting there for the Champion Hurdle and couldn't believe The Fly is 8/1. Why is this? Will the ground be too quick for him? is Faugheen that good and is the Fly now busted...still ran well in his last few races but prob wants the ground with a bit more cut in it (I think)
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Post by: DennistheMenace on March 10, 2015, 09:47:25 AM
The Fly is getting older and with Ruby choosing to ride Faugheen, Jetzi winning last year and The New One perceived the be unlucky coming 3rd in last years race. However I still think there is value in Hurricane Fly at 8 or 9/1
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Post by: illdecide on March 10, 2015, 09:48:42 AM
I watched a programme last week (think it may have been the Channel Four Racing) and a guy there tipped one horse for today and it was Very Wood in the 2nd last race, its currently at 4/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 10, 2015, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: beer baron on March 10, 2015, 01:19:03 AM
Douvan to get the bookies off to a great start that's my first Premonition of the week.

A shit load of multiple bets will be down the pan if your correct and I strongly suspect you are. Shaneshill ew for me.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 10, 2015, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 10, 2015, 09:37:22 AM
For the horse racing lads on here - if you were to back one horse at Cheltenham this week, who would it be?

Zarkandar
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 10, 2015, 11:26:42 AM
Supreme - Usual Supreme story, competitive field full of promising horses with one horse being one of the punters bankers of Day One. Douvan only won the two races, both at tracks very different to Cheltenham although he did beat another who opposes him today in Sizing John, a good winner of a weak novice hurdle at Christmas (Nichols Canyon fell, McKinley injured). Not for me - too short, hasn't done enough to-date to justify his price, could well be the superstar but was in the Allez Colombieries shadow before that one died and interstingly the comparisons with Champagne Fever and Vautour are slightly misplaced as both of those NH bred, future staying chasers, this one is a flat bred speed merchant if anything. L'Ami Serge again not for me hasn't done enough or beaten enough to justify his price. Two for me are Tell Us More and Sizing John. Tell Us More looks very impressive winning back a few months ago and he jumped superbly well at Naas before either failing to get home or finding nothing off the bridle. Could well be given the Scorpion connection he's not genuine but he'll travel and jump well so I could see him getting into contention but maybe not seeing it out. Sizing John interestingly Jonny Burke does not think he was himself when losing to Douvan. He won a G1 since and comes here fresh. A leading Irish hope outside the Mullins batallion. Not sure Jollyallan jumps well enough by the way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 10, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
Arkle - Un De Sceaux I can't add anything to the popular narrative surrounding this one. He's as exciting as you get but it's heart in the mouth stuff. He jumps so fast and so well and so accurately but he leaves himself so little room for error. If you weren't a horse racing follower you might get confused as one expert might tell you he's a brilliant jumper - another might say he could fall. In my opinion both are right. There is e/w value in the field though and I'll start by nominating Clarcam who is 2112 this season. He was impressive turning the form around with Vautour at Christmas, he jumps well and he has good Festival form from last year despite falling. Slight worry that he's a bit younger than everything else. I think he can get closer to Un De Sceaux in a bigger field with Un De Sceaux does not have such an easy time dictating plus the ground is better. Vibrato Valtat has been consistent but whatever it is about him, he has not really caught anyone's imagination. The reality is he's done anything but he faces a  stiff task against the Irish horses another of whom is Smashing already well beaten this season by Un De Sceaux. Josses Hill cannot win jumping the way he has so far and one would eyecatching one at a big price is Sail By The Sea who I only have come across in the last day or two but catches my eye due to the similarities with last year's winner. There's a whole pile of horses who'll be racing for second but if anything did happen Un De Sceaux, I'd go for Clarcam.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 10, 2015, 11:41:49 AM
Champion - Supposedly a 4 horse race I'm actually coming round to the idea of Kitten Rock or Arctic Fire getting into contention both of whom improving and probably unexposed. Assuming it does turn out to be a 4 horse race, the first one of the bunch I'll rule out is Jezki who has not reproduced his best form this season. My thinking is everything went his way last year, opposition falling or getting hampered or pulling too hard. Maybe the pace won't be as frenetic today and with conditions maybe not as optimal as last year, I'll look elsewhere. Hurricane Fly is a great warrior. Age is only a number - and he's looked as good as ever this year. A serious horse and forever a champion, I'd love to see him do it but the old adage, heart vs head thing, heart says yes he can win, head is saying otherwise. Faugheen is the most likely winner even if he hasn't beaten much. His most impressive win to-date was Punchestown last year and that's the reason he's hurdling this season and that's the reason he's here. He has jumping issues but he overcame them last year and he looks very strong. At the prices though, I marginally favour The New One. I think he has more in his favour today than all season, faster ground, back at Cheltenham, the smaller field and medium to fast pace should allow his jockey some room for manouevre. If he can overcome his jumping difficulties and get to the last in contention I think he'll finish very fast up the hill and win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 10, 2015, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 10, 2015, 09:37:22 AM
For the horse racing lads on here - if you were to back one horse at Cheltenham this week, who would it be?

Apache Stronghold e/w on Thursday in the JLT. He'll probably only be about 6/1 but still worth the e/w as i'd be very shocked if he's not 1st 3.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 10, 2015, 11:48:11 AM
Mares - Natural punters instinct in me is to take on Annie Power basically because she's too short and hasn't been seen in a year. Of course the ratings would say I'm mad, if I recall she has 7-8lbs for something like that in hand of her nearest rival, her stablemate and close to 20lbs ahead of many of her rivals. There's very little in the betting to oppose her with and it'll be a small e/w for me on the off chance she's isn't as good as the brilliant mare last year. Alan King runs two L'unique and The Pirates Queen - quick look through the form show both are decent but so is Carole's Spirit for former jockey Robbie Walford. First time blinkers, she's stays well and has a 5lb swing with another rival roday Bitofapuzzle, so perhaps a bit of e/w value. Very hard though when you haven't been following the mares races closely all season and where Annie Power and perhaps Glens Melody look the only genuine G1 horses on form so far.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 10, 2015, 12:50:16 PM
1:30 - Tell Us More (Sizing John)
2:05 - Three Kingdoms (Court Minstrel)
2:40 - Grand Gesture
3:20 - Jezki (The New One)
4:00 - Glen's Melody
4:40 - Very Wood
5:15 - Generous Ransom
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 10, 2015, 01:10:52 PM
Any streams?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 10, 2015, 01:25:15 PM
Had buttons on the Tom George horse Some plan e/w here, i'm feeling brave  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 10, 2015, 01:36:57 PM
Hype justified. Hell of an animal to finish like that after pulling early.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 10, 2015, 01:40:11 PM
Off to a good start and it's reassuring for anyone backing the Irish strength that the first head-to-head shows the Irish form up well. 1-2-3.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 10, 2015, 01:36:57 PM
Hype justified. Hell of an animal to finish like that after pulling early.

Douvan is a serious horse won that really well coming into the finish. Ruby handled him to perfection as well!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 10, 2015, 02:09:50 PM
What a jumper, Un De Sceaux!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
Anybody else just done the Mullins/Ruby quadruple today?

Halfway there lads!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: NAG1 on March 10, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
Brick may pack up and go home  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 10, 2015, 02:25:57 PM
Well, the mugs quad is still alive. Waded in on Douvan too. Touch wood, the wheels dont come off
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 10, 2015, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
Anybody else just done the Mullins/Ruby quadruple today?

Halfway there lads!!

I've backed 3 of them, but I'm on Jezki for the C.H. Mightn't be the greatest decision looking at the Mullins form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 10, 2015, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 10, 2015, 01:10:52 PM
Any streams?

filmon.com you can watch C4

Un de sceaux must be half aeroplane, what a horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 10, 2015, 02:36:55 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
Anybody else just done the Mullins/Ruby quadruple today?

Halfway there lads!!
Yeah I did it a while back. A long way to go but here's hoping.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on March 10, 2015, 03:10:54 PM
New  one has to be a value bet each way at 4/1.money back if 2/3.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 03:26:42 PM
YYYYAAAAAAASSSSSS!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 03:31:53 PM
There's a man knows about horses in work reckons Annie Power is the banker of the 4... what do we reckon folks??!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 10, 2015, 03:33:05 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
Anybody else just done the Mullins/Ruby quadruple today?

Halfway there lads!!

I done a £5 quadruple to pay around £70 - so come on Annie. Also, ew double on Druid's nephew and Hurricane Fly which was ok too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 10, 2015, 03:42:40 PM
Hurricane fly gets the place what a legend  :D
I was sure the banker 4 timers was nigh on impossible, doesn't look like that now  :o

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leaveherinsir on March 10, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
As a racing novice, pardon the pun, is Ruby Walsh a superior jockey to Tony McCoy. He seems to win more of the big races. Would he have more wins at Cheltenham than McCoy?  Or is the jockey secondary to the horse. Ie: can a good jockey win on a bad horse?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 10, 2015, 03:55:27 PM
The sweat is on now. Come on Annie Power!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on March 10, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
Hope annie power wins,she will let a lot of trebles and quads down if she doesnt. A tip i got one time was not to back on handicaps just graded races.havnt bet in yrs but still love watcing it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 10, 2015, 04:05:37 PM
ohhh nooo!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 04:07:05 PM
Holy f**k!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 10, 2015, 04:10:52 PM
Hard luck to anyone on the 4-timer. I know they were all fav's and short ones at that but I never thought it'd be looking so comfortable coming to the last in the Mares - how unlucky is that. The other 3 were as impressive as you can get - career best from them all. What a day for Willie Mullins, still got the 4-timer himself!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on March 10, 2015, 04:11:12 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 10, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
Hope annie power wins,she will let a lot of trebles and quads down if she doesnt. A tip i got one time was not to back on handicaps just graded races.havnt bet in yrs but still love watcing it

Your 100% right, cost me my quadruple anyway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 10, 2015, 04:13:21 PM
Go on Glens Melody!!!.. :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 10, 2015, 04:22:22 PM
From Twitter:

Channel 4 Racing ‏@Channel4Racing  8m8 minutes ago
Jim McGrath: "Probably the most expensive fall in punting history" #AnniePower

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Treasurer on March 10, 2015, 04:22:42 PM
Been kicking myself all day that I somehow managed to put Glens Melody in accumulator/heinz instead of Annie......

C'mon Very Wood  now!!!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 10, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
The last time i felt this sick was leaving Croke Park after the 2003 final..............f**k FUCKITY f**k
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 10, 2015, 05:36:26 PM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on March 10, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
As a racing novice, pardon the pun, is Ruby Walsh a superior jockey to Tony McCoy. He seems to win more of the big races. Would he have more wins at Cheltenham than McCoy?  Or is the jockey secondary to the horse. Ie: can a good jockey win on a bad horse?

They're very different at being the best.

Ruby is a very calm, measured jockey and the perfect partner to a top class animal.

AP on the other hand, would specialise in getting every last sinew from a horse, whether it's a thoroughbred or a cart horse.

To put it another way, if you're down to you last fiver, McCoy will leave you in doubt that his horse can't have done any more for your money. You might not always feel the same way with Ruby.

Ruby's record in big races over the past decade has been helped no end by being number 1 jockey for the trainers in England (Nicholls) and Ireland (Mullins) who monopolised the grade 1 markets, before settling with Mullins full time. But his part shouldn't be underplayed either: Nicholls isn't  hitting the same heights without him, while Mullins has gone through the roof since.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2015, 06:17:45 PM
Faugheen is something else. There's not many horses who win a Ballysteen p2p and a three mile novice hurdle around Limerick who line up in a Champion Hurdle, let alone win the thing!

He could be a multiple winner if he stays right. He's not hard on himself like some of the flashier types that have gone before him so he has every chance.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 10, 2015, 06:53:12 PM
I've a 20quid free bet to use on fridays gold cup and im thinking of an each way bet on road to riches or on carlingford lough. what do the experts on here who know a bit more about racing than me reckon?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 10, 2015, 08:07:46 PM
Despite losing a right few quid with Annie Power falling I've had a surprisingly good first day. Roll on tomorrow!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Sea The Stars on March 10, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
I had a bad day but that generally happens on Day 1 as I can never bring myself to back the Walsh/Mullins hotpots on Day One! Been that way the last 3-4 seasons. Have to say I never thought the 4-timer would still be on going to the last in the Mares. The bookies were all and truly stuffed up until that point.

Have to agree Donnellys Hollow - Faugheen could well be a multiple Champion Hurdle winner if he gets fortunate with injuries. It's early to be talking about next year's opposition but Jezki and The New One connections have a conundrum as regards what to do next. Douvan could realistically take the Irish 2m hurdling route allowing Faugheen take in a similar prep to this year.

Looking back at the day - Mullins domination today has got to be as close to perfection as you could have expected. First 2 home in the Supreme, Un De Sceaux so dominant in the Arkle, first 3 home in the Champion Hurdle, Annie Power falls at the last and he still wins with Glens Melody. The only way it could have been better was if Tell Us More or Alvisio Ville came 3rd and 4th in the Supreme and Perfect Gentleman won the 4-miler.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
Douvan looks like a chaser in the making. I would be surprised if he isn't schooled over a few fences before he's put out in the field after Punchestown.

Arctic Fire could well end up being a cup horse on the flat like Simenon who was in the same ownership.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 10, 2015, 10:39:59 PM
What's tomorrow's fancys ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 10, 2015, 10:55:35 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 10, 2015, 10:39:59 PM
What's tomorrow's fancys ?

Number 20 in the 4.40,quite an animal but could be carrying  a bit of condition  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 10, 2015, 11:41:06 PM
Any thoughts on  champion chase tomorrow, seems wide open?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 11, 2015, 08:20:31 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 10, 2015, 11:41:06 PM
Any thoughts on  champion chase tomorrow, seems wide open?

With question marks around the fitness of Sire de Gurgy and Sprinter Sacre, I'm going for Champagne Fever. He loves it round Cheltenham and with the sable in obvious great form, I just think he is worth a few pounds
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: theticklemister on March 11, 2015, 08:41:02 AM
I won 5 races in a down at sedge field And Wolverhampton after Cheltenham. Just had 2/5 pound bets and made 80quid. If I had a 10er on the accumulator I would have had 3,500 grand. Can't believe I won 5 races in a row.  Never happen again. Sir billy Wright came in for me too. Defiinetly a strange day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 11:34:51 AM
Champagne fever out of the Champion chase.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 11, 2015, 12:50:22 PM
The Neptune (first race today) is going to be a hard one to call...the top 5 in the betting are hard to seperate
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: passedit on March 11, 2015, 12:56:39 PM
I hope John Inverdale is going to send Clarkson a christmas card.

Any other day this would have got full value.

Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_yor5Od3yA

Probably freudian as he was chatting to one of the horseface royals at the time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 11, 2015, 01:01:43 PM
1:30 - Outlander (Beast of Burden)
2:05 - Kings Palace (The Young Master)
2:40 - Aux Ptits Soins (Mijhaar)
3:20 - Mister Mole (Dodging Bullets)
4:00 - Quantitiveasing
4:40 - All Yours
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 11, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 11:34:51 AM
Champagne fever out of the Champion chase.
In work here and can't get on anything gambling related. Has this made much difference in the odds?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 11, 2015, 01:15:49 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 11, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 11:34:51 AM
Champagne fever out of the Champion chase.
In work here and can't get on anything gambling related. Has this made much difference in the odds?

sir de g 5/2
sprinter 3/1
dodging bullets 4/1
mr mole 8/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 11, 2015, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 11, 2015, 01:15:49 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 11, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 11:34:51 AM
Champagne fever out of the Champion chase.
In work here and can't get on anything gambling related. Has this made much difference in the odds?

sir de g 5/2
sprinter 3/1
dodging bullets 4/1
mr mole 8/1
Cheers!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 01:44:50 PM
Couldn't back Windsor park at the prices wanted 6 OR 7/1  :-[ 9/2 looks alright now  >:(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 11, 2015, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 01:44:50 PM
Couldn't back Windsor park at the prices wanted 6 OR 7/1  :-[ 9/2 looks alright now  >:(

had the 9/2, not complaining mind you.Good man Davy Russell.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 01:57:20 PM
Don Poli's all the rage but i think he could get outpaced and get going too late. Kings palace i've had an e/w bet on, be very disappointed if he doesn't place,could get an easy lead and as long as Scudamore doesn't get the horn and kick for home too early i think he could win,lovely jumper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 02:12:06 PM
Hahahahaha,i couldn't be any more wrong.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 11, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
I think the message is just keep backing the Mullins favourites. It's a bit like owning your own mint.

It's amazing, though how the Irish form is so far ahead of the English. The Irish horses are running all over them. Multiple places as well as seven winners to two.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 11, 2015, 03:03:56 PM
Sam Twiston-Davies becomes the first non-Irish jockey to win so far at the meeting and only the third even to be placed.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 11, 2015, 03:25:39 PM
Sprinter Sacres finished!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 11, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
Sad to see.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 03:29:47 PM
1st English winner of a non handicap race. Go on ya boy ya Sam and Dodging bullets.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2015, 04:31:49 PM
Yeah backed dodging bullets myself, small wager, which will allow me to have a couple of quid on bigger price fields.
Went for Ruby in the next, see if he'll give me a sweat!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 04:38:26 PM
Baron alco's a cert here  ;D

Had a little e/w bet on Quantitativeeasing in the cross country there for the craic and Nina was giving it the most beautiful ride,only to get butchered and taken out by the French raider, sickened  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2015, 04:43:20 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 11, 2015, 04:38:26 PM
Baron alco's a cert here  ;D

Had a little e/w bet on Quantitativeeasing in the cross country there for the craic and Nina was giving it the most beautiful ride,only to get butchered and taken out by the French raider, sickened  :'(

Ha Ha, I'd the French raider lol
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 12, 2015, 10:01:39 AM
Vautour
Edeym
Balder success
Un Temps Pour Tout (Zarkandar Couldn't decide between these two)
Un Ace
Grand Vision
Rainy City
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 12, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Vautour
Big easy
Don Cossack
Whisper
Monetaire
Bless the wings.

hopefully a big day for Gordon Elliot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 12, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
I like Apache stronghold in the 1st,plenty went wrong last time and he still won a grade one beating Valseur lido. Back at Christmas he looked like beating Don Poli before getting outstayed over 3 mile,he's 11/2 and seems a safe e/w shot to my eyes with him likely to relish these quicker conditions,his most impressive hurdles performance at Navan in a grade 2 novice hurdle the ground was like a road.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 12, 2015, 01:42:02 PM
Vautour is an absolute superstar,that's some performance  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 12, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
You have all went quiet...I think the Bookies are starting to claw their money back. I made a few quid of the 1st race and then just done a 50p Yankee for the next 4 races and walked out...I was glad to see AP win a race even though i'd done one to beat him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 12, 2015, 03:52:29 PM
Having a decent day  :D.

Like Rajhdani express in the handicap here,was travelling like the winner last time until stamina emptied over 3 mile,dropped a few lb and has cracking festival form.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2015, 10:46:18 AM
It looks the most open Gold Cup in years. The rain isn't going to help the Irish challenge. It's a long time since Captain Christy won it but I reckon the novice today will go very close to emulating that achievement. He'll stay all day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 13, 2015, 11:31:43 AM
What about Road to Riches in the Gold Cup, as an outsider! 10/1 get on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 13, 2015, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on March 13, 2015, 11:31:43 AM
What about Road to Riches in the Gold Cup, as an outsider! 10/1 get on it.

im with you on that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on March 13, 2015, 12:48:53 PM
Houblon des obeaux big price at 50/1.likes it soft
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 13, 2015, 01:37:36 PM
What's the current score in the Ireland v Britain tally?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2015, 02:44:07 PM
IRE 11 v GB 12
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 13, 2015, 08:01:16 PM
He'll stay alright!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on March 14, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Shows the importance of a good jockey.if ruby was on conti he prob would have dot him in the
first 4. Noel feilly is rubbish.amazing the amount of horses that led from the front in big races and won. Gold cup,champ hurdle world hurdle
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 14, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: redzone on March 14, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Shows the importance of a good jockey.if ruby was on conti he prob would have dot him in the
first 4. Noel feilly is rubbish.amazing the amount of horses that led from the front in big races and won. Gold cup,champ hurdle world hurdle


:o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2015, 11:28:14 AM
Quote from: beer baron on March 14, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: redzone on March 14, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Shows the importance of a good jockey.if ruby was on conti he prob would have dot him in the
first 4. Noel feilly is rubbish.amazing the amount of horses that led from the front in big races and won. Gold cup,champ hurdle world hurdle


:o

Indeed.

There are a lot of poor jockeys plying their trade at a fairly high level in the UK. Fehily is certainly not one of them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on March 14, 2015, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 14, 2015, 11:28:14 AM
Quote from: beer baron on March 14, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: redzone on March 14, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Shows the importance of a good jockey.if ruby was on conti he prob would have dot him in the
first 4. Noel feilly is rubbish.amazing the amount of horses that led from the front in big races and won. Gold cup,champ hurdle world hurdle


:o

Indeed.

There are a lot of poor jockeys plying their trade at a fairly high level in the UK. Fehily is certainly not one of them.

Yeah im prob comparing him to the way ruby walsh would have rode him which is unfair, plus I wanted him to win. coneygree v silvi conti v Vautor/Douvan/Jackadam at king George next year would be some race. They will prob only run coneygree the same way best mate was run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 21, 2015, 08:52:33 PM
Thinking of going to Punchestown for a few days,i'm a bit late and i presume Naas will be all booked out,where'd be good to stay outside of that?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2015, 09:02:10 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 21, 2015, 08:52:33 PM
Thinking of going to Punchestown for a few days,i'm a bit late and i presume Naas will be all booked out,where'd be good to stay outside of that?

If it's hotel accommodation you're after then look at the Westgrove in Clane or the Keadeen in Newbridge. You'd should be able to get a taxi to/from either to/from Naas for around €20 if you have a few drinks in Naas after racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haveaharp on March 27, 2015, 10:26:23 AM
Anyone hear anything on the grapevine about some potential scandal going to break today ? Possibly something about it on late late show tonight ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Premier Emperor on March 27, 2015, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on March 27, 2015, 10:26:23 AM
Anyone hear anything on the grapevine about some potential scandal going to break today ? Possibly something about it on late late show tonight ?
Ruby Walsh!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 27, 2015, 11:47:38 AM
Any tips for the weekend, apart from keep my money in my pocket!

See the New One ruled out of defending its title at Aintree.

Barry Geraghty also ruled out of Fairyhouse & Aintree through injury, hoping to be back for Punchestown.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 27, 2015, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2015, 09:02:10 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 21, 2015, 08:52:33 PM
Thinking of going to Punchestown for a few days,i'm a bit late and i presume Naas will be all booked out,where'd be good to stay outside of that?

If it's hotel accommodation you're after then look at the Westgrove in Clane or the Keadeen in Newbridge. You'd should be able to get a taxi to/from either to/from Naas for around €20 if you have a few drinks in Naas after racing.

People keep changing their minds so its going to b a last minute thing surely. Camp on the course maybe  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 27, 2015, 11:58:57 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on March 27, 2015, 10:26:23 AM
Anyone hear anything on the grapevine about some potential scandal going to break today ? Possibly something about it on late late show tonight ?

I've heard some things breaking but don't know what it is. One thing i did notice that's far from a scandal is Aidan O'Brien has Moore booked to ride for him at the Curragh and has one over timber at Limerick with no jockey booking as yet. Joey's weight finally got the better of him and going National hunt riding?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 27, 2015, 12:15:59 PM
At the races confirm joey rides at Limerick
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 27, 2015, 03:47:02 PM
It could be one of a number of stories. Interesting.

Irish racing is very parochial and is usually good at keeping these things in house.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 27, 2015, 06:45:42 PM
Just some promotional hype for some crappy radio programme.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 27, 2015, 08:48:27 PM
Someone shove those skeletons back into the closet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on April 02, 2015, 02:00:45 PM
Anyone got an early shout for the national on Monday ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 02, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
Hard to be too strong on anything in these type of races but if Raz due Maree runs at Fairy house ill have a little e/w got dropped a few lb for a good run in 2nd behind Goonyella in the Midlands National over in Uttoxeter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 06, 2015, 12:21:56 PM
The stats for the Irish National don't separate the contenders very well this year. Two runners meet all ten criteria, a third fails to do by a fraction, another seven meet nine of the ten and a further nine meet eight of the ten. So it's saying that lots of runners have a chance based on the stats.

I apply a weighting to each criterion based on (1) the strength of the stat (how frequently it applies) and (2) my subjective take on how important each one is relative to the others. So, for instance, the fact that a horse has won at least once over three miles is more significant than the fact that he doesn't fit in the band of weight carried by the last ten winners. The system then computes a score for each runner based on the combination of strength and weighting.

This separates three two slightly from the rest, but it's not a formula for a major wager.

Usuel Smurfer    35.10
Rogue Angel    35.10
Lots Of Memories    34.15
The Job Is Right    31.30
Los Amigos    31.50
Vics Canvas    31.90
Thunder And Roses    31.68
Band Of Blood    31.50
Silver Tassie    31.50
The Crafty Butcher    31.68
Grand Jesture    27.70
Perfect Gentleman    28.10
Cantlow    28.86
Lion Na Bearnai    28.86
Rivage D'Or    28.86
Tammys Hill    28.86
Empire Of Dirt    27.70
She's Got Grit    28.86
Clar Na Mionn    27.90
If In Doubt    23.90
My Murphy    25.06
Pass The Ha    24.66
Dogora    23.70
Champagne James    23.70
Alpha Victor    25.06
Daring Article    25.26
Toby Lerone    24.10
Bose Ikard    24.28
Rule The Wor    19.90
No Secrets    21.84
Sizing Coal    20.68
Ipsos Du Berlais    21.66
Alderwood    14.06
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 06, 2015, 11:25:10 PM
Fairytale result for the two Kildare ladies Sandra & Katie.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bcarrier on April 07, 2015, 12:03:21 PM
Rogue Angel    35.10 UR
Lots Of Memories    34.15 PU
The Job Is Right    31.30 PU
Los Amigos    31.50 PU
Vics Canvas    31.90 Fell
Thunder And Roses    31.68 1st
Band Of Blood    31.50 4th

1st and 4th in your top 7 picks hardy. Not too shabby.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on April 07, 2015, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on April 07, 2015, 12:03:21 PM
Rogue Angel    35.10 UR
Lots Of Memories    34.15 PU
The Job Is Right    31.30 PU
Los Amigos    31.50 PU
Vics Canvas    31.90 Fell
Thunder And Roses    31.68 1st
Band Of Blood    31.50 4th

1st and 4th in your top 7 picks hardy. Not too shabby.
What more caught my eye was that 2nd, 3rd and 5th were in his bottom 4 selections!
I think it was quite an odd race given the mess at the first and the warm day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 07, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on April 07, 2015, 12:03:21 PM
1st and 4th in your top 7 picks hardy. Not too shabby.

Quote from: Hound on April 07, 2015, 12:21:41 PM
What more caught my eye was that 2nd, 3rd and 5th were in his bottom 4 selections!

I don't care whether the glass is half full or half empty, as long as there's whiskey in it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 09, 2015, 02:59:13 PM
Noel Fehily gave SIlviniaco Conti a gem of a ride today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 09, 2015, 11:20:31 PM
Ryan Moore confirmed as the Coolmore no1 rider for 2015.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridgegael on April 11, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
Dont look past Chane du Roy if u want a run for your money in the national today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on April 11, 2015, 04:02:05 PM
First Lieutenant is my fancy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 11, 2015, 04:16:25 PM
I've First lieutenant myself and Mon Parrain the monkey :P
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 11, 2015, 04:38:30 PM
Up Kilcullen
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 11, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
Riding the Grand National winner 2 years in a row  :o Some achievement.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 11, 2015, 04:48:33 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on April 11, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
Dont look past Chane du Roy if u want a run for your money in the national today.
Had it e/w with Cause of Causes. The missus has each way money on the winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Two Hands FFS on April 13, 2015, 12:58:07 PM
Best day to go to Punchestown?? In terms of the best races?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2015, 12:24:44 PM
Few heavy showers around today. Ground could be on the soft side for the festival if it keeps up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 27, 2015, 08:07:04 PM
We going to get any of the hotpots overturned tomoro?
Was very impressed with Douvan in March and be very shocked to see him beat.
Champagne fever was 7/4 yesterday for the Champion chase but I'd expect 5/2 or 3/1 tomorrow morning, he's one ill oppose,not sure with who though,will have a proper look this evening.
Don Polis a hell of a horse but although he is the most likely winner tomoro I'd not be overly shocked to see him beat in a small field at Punchestown, i think Carberry should try front run on Apache Stronghold and make it a crawl and kick for home 2 out.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: macdanger2 on April 28, 2015, 02:42:50 PM
Quick question for the horse lads on here - how would Tony McCoy rank in an all time greats of jockeys?? And how would Ruby or any of the other current jockeys rank?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 30, 2015, 10:22:15 PM
Heading up tomorrow. DH you're the man with an ear to the ground,who's the one to be on in the opener?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
There's no standout among the local hunters at the moment. Mtada Supreme was beaten by Ross O'Sullivan's horse in February but he fell up the north on Patrick's Day. If Rohan's Pride runs his race he should win but there's not much value in the price.

Watch out for the sister to Hurricane Fly in the bumper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 04, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 28, 2015, 02:42:50 PM
Quick question for the horse lads on here - how would Tony McCoy rank in an all time greats of jockeys?? And how would Ruby or any of the other current jockeys rank?

I always rated Adrian Maguire as the best rider I have seen but he was forced into retirement very early and we never really got to see him at his peak.

McCoy's achievements in terms of numbers will never be matched. To be champion jockey for 20 consecutive years is just an insane record considering how tough an occupation it is. He deserves to be considered one of the greats but I wouldn't necessarily elevate him above others like Walsh, Geraghty, Francome, O'Neill and Tommy Carberry.

For much of his career McCoy rode in an average enough era for UK based riders. I would argue the standard of jockeys in the UK now is a lot poorer than when McCoy was starting out. Back in the mid 1990s Dunwoody, Maguire, Norman Williamson and Mick Fitzgerald were all riding full time in the UK. Most of the top UK based riders around now wouldn't hold a candle to them. There are a lot more opportunities for riders in the UK and it is easier to gain prominence than over here where the competition is much tougher.

A lot of it is down to the culture of racing in the UK. Martin Pipe revolutionised the training of national hunt racehorses in the 1980s. Pipe was lightyears ahead of his time when it came to equine science and using alternative techniques to keep horses sound. This enabled him to train his horses harder than anyone else and get them insanely fit. They would all be able to be ridden the same way when they got to the track. The majority of McCoy's winners for Pipe were ridden for stamina. Steal a few lengths at the start, give them a squeeze into every obstacle, kick for home early and beat everything else through pure fitness.

That fitness culture still exists among British trainers to this day. Tom Scudamore who is jockey to Martin Pipe's son only knows one way of riding. Paul Nicholls always bangs on about how fit his horses are. What Nicholls apart from other trainers is that he understands when he has to back off his horses while others train them into the ground. They go a crazy gallop in most bog standard national hunt races in the UK. As a result the racing isn't as tactical as it is over here where the tendency is to go steadier and quicken it up. I think the average Irish based jockey is a lot more tactically astute than the average jockey based in Britain.

For my money McCoy was much more of a complete jockey during his decade with McManus than when he was stable jockey at Pond House. He rode the winner of almost every big race but then so did Walsh and Geraghty. What set McCoy apart was his hunger to ride every winner he possibly could. He would go up to Catterick or down to Newton Abbot for one ride in a thrupence halfpenny race. Compare that to Walsh and Geraghty who have never been motivated by the jockey's championship and regularly sit out meetings at the gaff tracks.

The man is a legend but if you had your choice of jockeys for a Champion Hurdle or a Gold Cup it would be Walsh every day of the week, for all that I wouldn't have huge time for him outside of the saddle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2015, 10:21:38 PM
Great weekend for Teofilo's progeny.

How much will the Sheikh fork out for Pleascach?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 25, 2015, 10:51:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2015, 10:21:38 PM
Great weekend for Teofilo's progeny.

How much will the Sheikh fork out for Pleascach?

A pretty penny one would suspect. I wasn't sure she'd be quick enough to win yesterday after watching her run at Naas where she looked a bit tapped for toe turning for home over 1mile 2 but she did so and did it well. Any mention of her next target? Derby perhaps?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 25, 2015, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: beer baron on May 25, 2015, 10:51:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2015, 10:21:38 PM
Great weekend for Teofilo's progeny.

How much will the Sheikh fork out for Pleascach?

A pretty penny one would suspect. I wasn't sure she'd be quick enough to win yesterday after watching her run at Naas where she looked a bit tapped for toe turning for home over 1mile 2 but she did so and did it well. Any mention of her next target? Derby perhaps?

I thought the same myself. It will be great if she meets the Epsom Derby winner at the Curragh. The great race has been a Coolmore benefit for too long.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 09, 2015, 10:15:42 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG7O9FJUYAAFp0f.png)

Great pic from the Curragh last Sunday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on June 24, 2015, 12:32:28 PM
Racehorses are continuing to get quicker, a study of winning times spanning 165 years of racing indicates.

This may come as a surprise to many in the racing industry who believe that racehorse speed has reached its limit.

But researchers say more work is required to determine whether the increased speeds are due to breeding techniques or changes in training and riding techniques.

The study has been published in The Royal Society Journal Proceedings B.

Previous studies had shown that racehorse speeds had not increased since 1950.




Many in the race horse industry had concluded that thoroughbreds might have reached the limits of their speed.

This raised the question as to whether it was worth horse owners paying large amounts of money to stud farms aiming to breed future winners.

Sprint races

So Patrick Sharman, a PhD student at Exeter University and race enthusiast, decided to take a closer look. He found that previous studies were not comprehensive.

They only analysed the winning time of a small number of races. These studies included middle distance (8 to 12 furlongs) and long distance (14 to 20 furlongs) races, but excluded sprints (5 to 7 furlongs).

Mr Sharman analysed the times from every single so-called elite race involving the very fastest horses between 1850 and 2012, and also included all race meetings since 1997.

He found that there had been little improvement in speeds between 1910 and 1975. But since then there has been a steady improvement in sprint races.

The average winning time for a six-furlong race over the past 15 years has been cut by more than a second - which is a huge amount by sprint standards. A modern day horse would beat a horse from the early 90s by seven horse lengths.

However, there was little, if any, improvement at middle and longer distances.

Speed over endurance?

Mr Sharman says that this could be due to the fact that horses are being bred for speed rather than endurance. If that is the case, then speeds at middle and long distances could also be improved if breeders changed their methods.

The improvement could be explained by a change in riding techniques since the 1970s - with jockeys adopting Lester Piggott's style of riding with shortened stirrups or improved training methods.

But Mr Sharman wonders why there has been no improvement in the longer distances.

"My hunch is that we are seeing a genetic change, with breeders focusing on speed rather than endurance," he told BBC News.

"I don't believe that over the longer distances horses have reached their limit."

Brian O'Rourke, the managing director of the UK National Stud in Newmarket believes that commercial pressures tend to favour the breeding of speed.

"Back in the 1970s most horses that would win the Derby would go for the Gold Cup which is two and a half miles as opposed to a mile and a half," he told BBC News.

"But since the late 70s and early 80s the thoroughbred industry has become commercialised. Everybody is breeding for speed now because they want precocious horses that run at two (years old) not four.

"They want instant success like flicking a switch, but that does not always happen."
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 30, 2015, 09:45:15 AM
Kauto Star is dead
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 30, 2015, 10:21:57 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on June 30, 2015, 09:45:15 AM
Kauto Star is dead

Fractured pelvis. Sad to hear.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 30, 2015, 12:10:19 PM
Was this a competitive fall?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 30, 2015, 12:10:57 PM
Nah, he was turned out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on June 30, 2015, 11:11:33 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on June 30, 2015, 09:45:15 AM
Kauto Star is dead

Had missed this piece of news today until now. Very sad. He won me a few pounds over the years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 01, 2015, 10:26:16 AM
Sad news and unfortunate the falling out between Nicholls and Clive Smith following his retirement. I heard Nicholls only found out 5 minutes before the news was released to the general public  :-\

He was some animal, i spent about 2 years trying to get him beat but eventually gave up and ended up becoming a massive fan. His win in the Betfair chase against Long run when he had seemed finished was brilliant and is the one race that stands out for me not for the manner of victory but for how he came back to prove himself and Ruby was brilliant on him.

We'll not see many more like him. The stayers division hasn't been the same since himself and Denman finished up. Hopefully with the apparent strength in the division coming through at the minute it will improve this season though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on July 27, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
Anyone going to Galway?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 50fiftyball on July 27, 2015, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 27, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
Anyone going to Galway?

Strongly considering it at the minute! Never been, considered it a few times with the lads, think 2 of us going to head down either thursday night til saturday, or just friday for the one night.

Is the craic/buzz etc still good on friday & saturday? Booked a B&B about 15 mins out of city centre, thinking getting a taxi in could be troublesome, to pay that bit extra for a hotel might be worth it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 27, 2015, 02:52:29 PM
I'll be racing Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, beering Thursday, Friday
Great few days
I wouldn't worry too much about a taxi, go to Ballybrit early enough and leave the Radisson late enough and you'll have no bother
Not sure you'd pick up a hotel at this stage
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on July 29, 2015, 07:13:39 AM
Any tips for galway today ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 50fiftyball on July 29, 2015, 11:58:55 AM
"Rule the world" in the .. 16;10 i think?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on July 29, 2015, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: stiffler on July 29, 2015, 07:13:39 AM
Any tips for galway today ?

My tip: don't back horses at Galway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2015, 06:47:39 PM
Sir Peter O'Sullevan - the voice of racing RIP

"this is the champion, this is the best we've seen for a long time"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDNPTJs4PU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDNPTJs4PU)

"the mare's beginning to get up"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC9dRA15F9s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC9dRA15F9s)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 50fiftyball on July 30, 2015, 10:09:34 AM
The game changer @14/1 (that was last night)

for the galway hurdle today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
Golden Horn v Gleneagles v Time Test v The Grey Gatsby

Mighty race in prospect on Wednesday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 17, 2015, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
Golden Horn v Gleneagles v Time Test v The Grey Gatsby

Mighty race in prospect on Wednesday.

Could be a cracker. Anyone bookies going to put their balls  in the chopper and push Golden Horn out to evens? I've been very impressed with him, i know Frankie can talk a lot of rubbish at times but the way he speaks about GH i think we might still have more to see from him and could see something special this week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2015, 11:03:10 PM
Golden Horn's form with Jack Hobbs is top class considering what that colt did at the Curragh. I wasn't as taken with him at Sandown where it seemed to take him an age to get the better of The Grey Gatsby who now has less weight to concede. I suspect he will prove better over 12f than 10f.

Gleneagles is fascinating over this trip. He's a cracking miler and if he doesn't win this they can offer the stamina excuse straight away and drop him back to a mile at Keeneland in October and then retire him to Fethard after. His pedigree gives some encouragement. Galileo obviously is a serious stamina influence on the sire side. The dam Youresothrilling won twice over 6f at Naas and Newmarket but they did try her in the Prix de l'Opera on Arc weekend in her final run. She was a full sister to the great Giants Causeway who earned his rep at 10f. Gleneagle's full sister Marvellous also won a heavy ground maiden over a mile before running down the field in both the English and Irish Oaks. There's another 2yo full sister called Coolmore who should be out in a maiden in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 19, 2015, 06:33:28 PM
Only seeing the race now. To say i'm shocked is an understatement, Gh came there with every chance but wasn't tough enough, he was keen early but i still expected him to put it to bed in the last furlong. We might get to see him over here now though on a recovery mission. :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 23, 2015, 12:21:31 PM
Strongly rumoured that David O'Meara is to replace Aidan O'Brien at Ballydoyle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 23, 2015, 12:21:31 PM
Strongly rumoured that David O'Meara is to replace Aidan O'Brien at Ballydoyle.


I'd laugh this off if someone else said it but not from you DH. Would be some shock were it to happen. Aidan must be going the jumping route then with Joey as retainer?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 23, 2015, 12:54:03 PM
There were whispers that things have not been good for a few years. Australia getting beaten at Leopardstown last year was the final straw which prompted the move to get Ryan Moore and that caused more friction. Aidan and Anne Marie have been building Piltown back up over the last few years and Joseph had a few spins over hurdles last winter so this was always on the cards at some stage. For all his flaws Aidan has few equals around the world and I think John Magnier would be mad not to do everything in his power to keep him at Rosegreen.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 31, 2015, 07:44:21 PM
End of an era as the great Hurricane Fly is retired.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 31, 2015, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 31, 2015, 07:44:21 PM
End of an era as the great Hurricane Fly is retired.

What a star!

I remember you saying he was a little bit special very early in his career and i kept an eye on him and was thinking you could be onto something and when i seen him in the flesh laughing at Solwhit in the Autumn or Winter of 2010 i realised you were hundred percent spot on and became a massive fan(had people thanking me for telling them to back him for the 2011 Champion hurdle for about a month after the race,apparently i persuaded a full pub he was a cert in the January of that year and they availed of the juicy prices at the time).

Won a few nice bets on him but in truth i enjoyed some of his wins where i hadn't a bet(or just had peanuts on) just as much. His win in the Irish Champion hurdle last year was a really special one when Our Conor and Jezki were expected to take his crown off him and coming up to the last he looked like his goose might be cooked but not a bit of it was he having 8).

Be interesting to see what tribute he gets, i'd say there'll be some kind of statue up in Leopardstown anyway but any chance they'll rename the Irish Champion hurdle after him? 

One things for certain it'll be a long time before i ever enjoy a horses career as much as his.




Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 31, 2015, 10:08:41 PM
He had amazing longevity for a Montjeu. As a 3yo he beat Literato who went on to win a Champion Stakes and finished close up behind Lawman who won a French Derby. It's very rare for a flat horse of that level of ability to go on and excel over jumps. Istabraq was bred to be a classic horse as a three parts brother to Secreto but he was backward and one paced on the flat.

His National Hunt record speaks for itself:

11211/131/1111/1131/11111/1114/21113-26

I don't think he fully got the credit that his talents deserved until he was past his peak, across the water moreso than at home. Incredible horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 11, 2015, 09:18:45 PM
It looks like all this rain could decimate the two potentially brilliant cards declared for this weekend. The field for the Champion Stakes looks ridiculously good but it must be odds against now that all 8 run.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on September 13, 2015, 12:47:46 PM
How's the ground likely to ride today DH? Is there enough rain for forgotten rules? What about the stewards at Doncaster? Looked harsh to my eyes.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 14, 2015, 06:07:53 PM
I thought the stewards got it right at Doncaster. O'Donoghue was entitled to hold his line and keep Atzeni in a pocket, that's good race riding. Atzeni simply has to sit and suffer and wait until a gap opens. He decided to just barge his way out, interfering with O'Donoghue's horse who was knocked off his line. From there to the winning post was six of one, half a dozen of the other. The damage was done by Atzeni's first manoeuvre. Had the winning distance been more than a head it might have been a different story. The problem is that the UK and to a lesser extent the Irish stewards generally leave too much go and go too far down the road of "the best horse" keeping the race.

The Leopardstown one was different because it wasn't a riding offence. Frankie was keeping a straight line and the horse just spooked at something. It was tough on Free Eagle who travelled like the best horse in the race. If Found hadn't have split the pair then Free Eagle's connections might have had a good case to get the race in the stewards' room.

The vibes on course for Forgotten Rules weren't great yesterday and my guess is that Ascot left it's mark on him. He didn't leave himself down on that firm ground and it may take him some time to get over that experience. The winner looks a very smart stayer in the making. He was punted off the boards and duly bolted up. He would have probably won at Doncaster if they had decided to take that route instead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on October 04, 2015, 03:05:07 PM
Some ride by Frankie to take the wide route early one. Would've got some stick if it hadn't come off. I suppose when you've achieved as much as him you  have to have faith in your judgement.
He'll be in some form after getting jocked off Treve last season.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 10, 2015, 10:11:42 PM
A record that speaks for itself:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTcZQWIU8AAMzrZ.jpg:large)

RIP Pat Eddery. One of Kildare's finest exports.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on December 26, 2015, 10:35:38 AM
Silvi conti is 9/1 at kempton. What Yous reckon?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on December 26, 2015, 10:35:38 AM
Silvi conti is 9/1 at kempton. What Yous reckon?

Not for me, very disappointed with his run lto behind Cue Card and reapplication of blinkers can only do so much although he does usually produce his best in this race so can't be totally discounted.  Cue Card himself is undervalued to my eyes too, impresssive his 2 runs to date this season but has had his chance here a few times in weaker looking renewals and couldn't get his head in front so surprised if he wins,i think it's between Don Cossack and Vautour and Don's the one for me,i've liked him for a long time and i think he's the best staying chaser about at the minute and Vautours best will be seen in March.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 26, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on December 26, 2015, 10:35:38 AM
Silvi conti is 9/1 at kempton. What Yous reckon?

Not for me, very disappointed with his run lto behind Cue Card and reapplication of blinkers can only do so much although he does usually produce his best in this race so can't be totally discounted.  Cue Card himself is undervalued to my eyes too, impresssive his 2 runs to date this season but has had his chance here a few times in weaker looking renewals and couldn't get his head in front so surprised if he wins,i think it's between Don Cossack and Vautour and Don's the one for me,i've liked him for a long time and i think he's the best staying chaser about at the minute and Vautours best will be seen in March.

Vatour is not proven in top quality yet.

Smad Place is the dark horse. Very impressive when winning the Hennessy and more in him.

If you want to cover your bets today as best as one possibly can in National Hunt Racing just go for a Mullins treble with Don Cossack, Douvan and Faugheen.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Trap on December 26, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
What about outlander at Limerick?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 26, 2015, 11:41:01 AM
You won't have much chance of a winner at Limerick today.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on December 26, 2015, 11:46:53 AM
Are fausgheen and douvan certs. Evens for the double. Might put 10 on them
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 26, 2015, 12:03:16 PM
Faugheen makes no appeal at 1/3 after his last run. While it was most likely down to a lack of competitive action, I can't help get the feeling that trainers will have learned something from watching that race, and a few a will try to gallop him into submission this season. If the New One can avoid even a couple of fences he might be able to do it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
just go for a Mullins treble with Don Cossack, Douvan and Faugheen.

Has Don Cossack switched yards?  :o

Gone with Ball Darc e/w in the first at Leopardstown. I think Rashaan could be capable of defying the double penalty in the 3yo hurdle but I would expect him to be a bigger price before the off. It could be a very informative bumper today. Rare bumper runner for Mouse in the Gigginstown silks. He's a full brother to Rathlin and he won a point at Tinahely impressively despite a bad mistake at the last. He could be one for the notebook.

Faugheen has questions to answer in England today although a 75% Faugheen should still be beating The New One with a minimum of fuss. Vautour put up the most commanding novice performance seen at Cheltenham in a long time last March. I believe he's a superior horse to Don Cossack who is flattered by his lofty rating. My concern about Vautour would be whether he is as effective right handed. It has become something of a talking point post Ascot but even going back to his novice hurdle days, his two runs at Punchestown beating Western Boy in the Moscow Flyer and Apache Stronghold at the festival were nowhere near as dominant as his wins in the Deloitte and the Supreme Novices. He's becoming a tempting price now though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 26, 2015, 11:46:53 AM
Are fausgheen and douvan certs. Evens for the double. Might put 10 on them

Faugheen looks too good for the others but i really didn't like how he handled himself last time out when he came under pressure(first time it ever happened him) so i'd suspect someone will try go with him early today and get him at it but he should still be too good.
Couldn't back Douvan. Ttebob and Sizing John are both lovely Novices and Velvet maker the outsider is rated highly by his yard too,Douvans chasing Debut wasn't as impressive as it's been made out to be to my eyes at least,he did it nicely and jumped well on the whole but made one or 2 mistakes and his lack of experience could tell here. I've actually backed Sizing John to win that race,he looks a natural at his fences and i'll be disappointed if he doesn't go very close,people will point to Douvans superiority over hurdles but De Bromhead/Potts doesn't kill his Novice hurdlers and tends to improve them a lot for the switch to fences and he looks a natural. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
Walsh made an absolute balls of that Morgiana. He conceded he should have kicked him on down the back but I suspect he didn't want to give the horse too hard a race and it allowed David Mullins to get a breather in on the Wylie horse who had a better turn of gear being a flat bred. I wouldn't read too much into it. They won't go a muddling pace today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 26, 2015, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 26, 2015, 11:46:53 AM
Are fausgheen and douvan certs. Evens for the double. Might put 10 on them

Faugheen looks too good for the others but i really didn't like how he handled himself last time out when he came under pressure(first time it ever happened him) so i'd suspect someone will try go with him early today and get him at it but he should still be too good.
Couldn't back Douvan. Ttebob and Sizing John are both lovely Novices and Velvet maker the outsider is rated highly by his yard too,Douvans chasing Debut wasn't as impressive as it's been made out to be to my eyes at least,he did it nicely and jumped well on the whole but made one or 2 mistakes and his lack of experience could tell here. I've actually backed Sizing John to win that race,he looks a natural at his fences and i'll be disappointed if he doesn't go very close,people will point to Douvans superiority over hurdles but De Bromhead/Potts doesn't kill his Novice hurdlers and tends to improve them a lot for the switch to fences and he looks a natural. Here's hoping.

I think you've picked the wrong one. Grade 1's come down to class and in my view Sizing John hasn't got it. Had you picked Ttebob I could see the logic. I think Ttebob has a fair chance. Won on heavy ground last time out in Navan and it was only two weeks ago so his form line is strong. I agree on Douvan's debut but I think you've backed the wrong one here
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2015, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 26, 2015, 11:46:53 AM
Are fausgheen and douvan certs. Evens for the double. Might put 10 on them

Faugheen looks too good for the others but i really didn't like how he handled himself last time out when he came under pressure(first time it ever happened him) so i'd suspect someone will try go with him early today and get him at it but he should still be too good.
Couldn't back Douvan. Ttebob and Sizing John are both lovely Novices and Velvet maker the outsider is rated highly by his yard too,Douvans chasing Debut wasn't as impressive as it's been made out to be to my eyes at least,he did it nicely and jumped well on the whole but made one or 2 mistakes and his lack of experience could tell here. I've actually backed Sizing John to win that race,he looks a natural at his fences and i'll be disappointed if he doesn't go very close,people will point to Douvans superiority over hurdles but De Bromhead/Potts doesn't kill his Novice hurdlers and tends to improve them a lot for the switch to fences and he looks a natural. Here's hoping.

I think you've picked the wrong one. Grade 1's come down to class and in my view Sizing John hasn't got it. Had you picked Ttebob I could see the logic. I think Ttebob has a fair chance. Won on heavy ground last time out in Navan and it was only two weeks ago so his form line is strong. I agree on Douvan's debut but I think you've backed the wrong one here

I'd give Ttebob a chance too,i'd have both SJ and TB about the same price myself and SJ is quiote a bit bigger, i find it very hard to back Puppy too which is also a factor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2015, 01:10:17 PM
Paul Townend has stood himself down for the day.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2015, 01:10:17 PM
Paul Townend has stood himself down for the day.

Paddy gets the Douvan ride,big day for him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2015, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2015, 01:10:17 PM
Paul Townend has stood himself down for the day.

Paddy gets the Douvan ride,big day for him.

Out to 4/6!

Should be a straightforward race to ride anyway. Power will make it. The three lads will sit in behind and pick him off turning in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 03:01:02 PM
Oh by God he is good. He destroyed SJ and i doubt there's too many better Novice chasers than SJ between here and Britain.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 26, 2015, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
just go for a Mullins treble with Don Cossack, Douvan and Faugheen.

Has Don Cossack switched yards?  :o

Gone with Ball Darc e/w in the first at Leopardstown. I think Rashaan could be capable of defying the double penalty in the 3yo hurdle but I would expect him to be a bigger price before the off. It could be a very informative bumper today. Rare bumper runner for Mouse in the Gigginstown silks. He's a full brother to Rathlin and he won a point at Tinahely impressively despite a bad mistake at the last. He could be one for the notebook.

Faugheen has questions to answer in England today although a 75% Faugheen should still be beating The New One with a minimum of fuss. Vautour put up the most commanding novice performance seen at Cheltenham in a long time last March. I believe he's a superior horse to Don Cossack who is flattered by his lofty rating. My concern about Vautour would be whether he is as effective right handed. It has become something of a talking point post Ascot but even going back to his novice hurdle days, his two runs at Punchestown beating Western Boy in the Moscow Flyer and Apache Stronghold at the festival were nowhere near as dominant as his wins in the Deloitte and the Supreme Novices. He's becoming a tempting price now though.

;D My apologies. I meant Vatour. But I think Don Cossack is going to win this one. Smad Place each way
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 26, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 26, 2015, 03:01:02 PM
Oh by God he is good. He destroyed SJ and i doubt there's too many better Novice chasers than SJ between here and Britain.

Class horse- best of the lot in that Stable. Jumped beautifully - goes even better on good ground.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on December 26, 2015, 03:20:26 PM
What a race. Sets it up nicely for March, pity don Cossack didn't stay up. Ap reckons vatour might go back to the Ryanair. Jeez I wouldn't have thought so
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2015, 04:09:12 PM
I don't think there is a hope in hell Vautour will drop back in trip at Cheltenham. Ricci wants a Gold Cup winner. He would rather throw two darts at it than win a Ryanair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 27, 2015, 10:40:02 AM
Looking forward to seeing Un De Sceaux today and expect him to win well against limited opposition although Sizing Granite is a decent animal i think he'll save his best for the Spring. Sprinter Sacre's very short in his  race. Beat trees last time out getting weight and he's now odds on,question is what beats him?Sire De Grugy? Can never fancy him whatever it is about him he just doesn't light my fire so to speak. Vibrato Valtat's unexposed and gets weight off him but is he good enough?

The Future Champion Novices hurdle looks a cracker of a race and will produce plenty of  graded winners i reckon,Tombstone's impressed me mightily in his last 2 runs and i hope he can go in again today too but any amount of dangers.

Any fancy for the big handicap chase DH? Minella foru has been well punted the last few days it seems and looks on a fair mark but JP has half a dozen in it and i'd say they'll all have their chance. I'll probably back Captain Von Trappe and Dromnea. CVT ran a cracker behind Shantou Flyer 2 runs back before going from the front in the Drinmore,jumping nicely but just not good enough at that level and trip but this will be more his cup of tea and Gordon likes to target this race. Dromnea ran well in a couple of good Handicap chases in the spring at the 2 big festivals and is still off a fair mark and won this time last year in a bog down at Limerick so conditions should be no problem but in truth i could pick half a dozen and still not get the winner  :P.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2015, 11:49:10 AM
If the Sprinter Sacre that turned up at Cheltenham turns up again today then nothing will touch him. A touch of odds on seems reasonable but I wonder does the fact he's not 1/2 or shorter indicate a lack of confidence from from Seven Barrows. There'll be a shakeup in the Champion Chase market either way with Un De Sceaux in action too.

I'd agree with Beer Baron re Tombstone. He has a proper national hunt pedigree and he might just go through this ground better than the racier types that Mullins has in the line up. If the ground starts drying up it will get very holding.

Rossvoss would be my selection in the handicap. Ted seems to excel with these sort of horses and I would expect him to go well. This race always seems to go the way of an improving unexposed type rather than one of the more established chasers who have been dropping down towards a winnable mark again. At 8/1 the field, there's no shortage of them in the lineup!



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 27, 2015, 02:52:48 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2015, 11:49:10 AM
If the Sprinter Sacre that turned up at Cheltenham turns up again today then nothing will touch him. A touch of odds on seems reasonable but I wonder does the fact he's not 1/2 or shorter indicate a lack of confidence from from Seven Barrows. There'll be a shakeup in the Champion Chase market either way with Un De Sceaux in action too.

I'd agree with Beer Baron re Tombstone. He has a proper national hunt pedigree and he might just go through this ground better than the racier types that Mullins has in the line up. If the ground starts drying up it will get very holding.

Rossvoss would be my selection in the handicap. Ted seems to excel with these sort of horses and I would expect him to go well. This race always seems to go the way of an improving unexposed type rather than one of the more established chasers who have been dropping down towards a winnable mark again. At 8/1 the field, there's no shortage of them in the lineup!

Another win for Ruby. Tombstone might do better on the Cheltenham hill though- however Mullins rarely peaks for Leopardstown so their might be more in his tank because he looked knackered at the end
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2015, 03:03:38 PM
Minella Foru another JP handicap special!

Cooper didn't cover himself in glory on Tombstone meeting plenty of traffic at the back of the second last but the horse was fairly keen throughout. If you allow Walsh to dictate his own fractions he will rarely get it wrong. Long Dog has done little wrong this so far this season but I think it's likely he will be stepping up in trip at Cheltenham provided nothing goes wrong with Min.

Disaster for Un De Sceaux today. Interesting to see where he goes next and whether that fall has any lasting impact (Thurles last year did him no harm). It was great to see Sprinter Sacre getting his head in front again. On a line through the Nicholls grey he has a bit to find with Un De Sceuax.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 27, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 27, 2015, 03:03:38 PM
Minella Foru another JP handicap special!

Cooper didn't cover himself in glory on Tombstone meeting plenty of traffic at the back of the second last but the horse was fairly keen throughout. If you allow Walsh to dictate his own fractions he will rarely get it wrong. Long Dog has done little wrong this so far this season but I think it's likely he will be stepping up in trip at Cheltenham provided nothing goes wrong with Min.

Disaster for Un De Sceaux today. Interesting to see where he goes next and whether that fall has any lasting impact (Thurles last year did him no harm). It was great to see Sprinter Sacre getting his head in front again. On a line through the Nicholls grey he has a bit to find with Un De Sceuax.

Went for Rossvoss in the Paddy power but he it jumped terribly and I don't think it was one of Katie's distinguished jumping performances unfortunately. Geraghty makes a habit of winning on the Christmas Sunday at Leopardstown
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 02, 2016, 11:26:07 AM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/10116532/itv-wins-racing-television-rights-from-channel-4 (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/10116532/itv-wins-racing-television-rights-from-channel-4)

They really ruined Channel 4 Racing when they got rid of Francome, Thompson, Down and McCririck.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on January 02, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Yeah the craic used to be grt with mccririck. It's like a damp squib now. Matt chapman is good value on atr
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 02, 2016, 02:06:28 PM
Always liked Francombe,be good to see him back. Gary o Brien's a decent judge i'd like to see him get a look in. Yorkhill going to put in a hell of a display today i reckon,lovely animal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 02, 2016, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 02, 2016, 02:06:28 PM
Yorkhill going to put in a hell of a display today i reckon,lovely animal.

He is having great success with his p2p purchases. The Wylies have a lovely crop of young horses. Great to see them being kept in Ireland.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 02, 2016, 04:20:06 PM
The gutters today weren't a great showcase for his talents.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on January 17, 2016, 05:07:44 PM
ruby at his best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI9SB60D2ug
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on January 17, 2016, 05:10:31 PM
And not one stroke of the whip.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 17, 2016, 05:17:40 PM
That horse must have a serious engine.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 17, 2016, 07:06:19 PM
Hell of a performance by horse and jockey. I'd say the conspiracy theorists were ready to hang Ruby for making the horse fall when Killultagh almost came down  ::)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2016, 12:13:40 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/10169567/many-clouds-tops-grand-national-weights-at-aintree (http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/10169567/many-clouds-tops-grand-national-weights-at-aintree)

QuoteThe Crabbie's Grand National is the only jumps handicap of the year in which British Horseracing Authority's Head of Handicapping, Phil Smith, has absolute discretion over the weights and can deviate from the normal handicap ratings.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on February 17, 2016, 01:49:50 PM
Reports that faugheen has been ruled out of Cheltenham.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 17, 2016, 02:57:52 PM
Yeah it's been confirmed. Wonder will Annie go there now? Not much point as i think they've already got the winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 17, 2016, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 17, 2016, 02:57:52 PM
Yeah it's been confirmed. Wonder will Annie go there now? Not much point as i think they've already got the winner.

Rich Ricci will want the winner. I think it's a no brainer as long as she comes out of today ok.

Such a shame about Faugheen. His display at Leopardstown the last day was as good as anything Istabraq or Hurricane Fly ever produced IMO. I expected him to produce something special at Cheltenham but that's racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 17, 2016, 03:27:12 PM
Annie's as short as 7/4 favourite for the Champion now.  I'll be happy to oppose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 23, 2016, 06:37:40 PM
I might not be too keen to oppose her now, Arctic fire gone now too,looking a weak renewal, last years first 4 are injured or retired and none of the Novice winners from last year stepped up over hurdles.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on February 23, 2016, 09:52:01 PM
Annie Power 5/2 now. Has to be there or thereabouts surely? The Mullins 4 timer on the first day is now 30/1 which is tempting. Annie Power screwed me both times i've backed her so i won't be going mad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on February 23, 2016, 10:43:41 PM
Would any of you think camping ground is worth an ew punt in the champion hurdle. It seemed to be aimed at the world hurdle but struggled at the bigger distance last time out. Won very well at Christmas and could set a fierce enough pace if runs in the champion. 25/1. Or am I totally clutching at straws?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 28, 2016, 08:24:43 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2016, 10:43:41 PM
Would any of you think camping ground is worth an ew punt in the champion hurdle. It seemed to be aimed at the world hurdle but struggled at the bigger distance last time out. Won very well at Christmas and could set a fierce enough pace if runs in the champion. 25/1. Or am I totally clutching at straws?

Couldn't back him myself but hard to put anyone off anything in the race it's ookingthat open, i'm leaning towards Nichols Canyon or dare i say it The new One at the minute  :-[ Fair chance i'll not have a bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 29, 2016, 05:29:34 PM
It's a desperately poor Champion Hurdle. A peak Annie Power will win it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on March 08, 2016, 07:59:07 PM
What's the chances of vautour running in the Ryanair chase instead of gold cup ?

Surely the gold cup is too much of a step up in distance ? Although rich ricci has made it clear he's wants the big one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 08, 2016, 08:01:33 PM
Few friends at the Cheltenham preview night last night (held by Sean Graham & Paddy Power) and 5/6 men at the top table swore by Thistlecrack. Hardly helpful infol!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 11, 2016, 04:06:06 PM
]https://www.facebook.com/racinguk/?fref=nf[url] (https://www.facebook.com/racinguk/?fref=nf%5Burl)[/url]

Mad happenings at Sandown today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 11, 2016, 10:42:01 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 08, 2016, 07:59:07 PM
What's the chances of vautour running in the Ryanair chase instead of gold cup ?

Surely the gold cup is too much of a step up in distance ? Although rich ricci has made it clear he's wants the big one.

Gangster supposedly thrashed Vautour in a schooling race at Punchestown a few weeks ago and that's where the negative vibes started to build from. That could be true or it could be Davy Russell spinning a few yarns on the preview night circuit - there's not a hotel, conference centre, parish hall or pub in the land that Davy hasn't tipped up a different horse in over the last fortnight!

Vautour was the best horse in the King George and he stayed fine that day. I know Walsh feels he made too much use of him during the middle of the race that day and expect different tactics next week. He came on a tonne from Ascot to Kempton and I'd expect a similar leap returning to Cheltenham. He never seems to excel at Christmas time or going right handed. He's supposed to have worked well at the Curragh over the last few days having a nice spin up the Old Vic.

I'm 50/50 over whether he will stay the extra two and a bit furlongs but I'm finding it hard to make a strong case for anything against him. I can't see Walsh giving Cue Card a target to aim at this time and I expect he will comfortably improve past him. Don Poli will need the heavens to open. He simply won't have the gears on good-to-soft ground. Djakadam has missed a fair chunk of work after his fall in the Pillar and his prep has been a bit rushed. Don Cossack is an enigma and is more likely to dog it than he is to put is best foot forward.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 11, 2016, 10:57:50 PM
What's the story with these Cheltenham preview nights, is it a racket by now?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2016, 07:36:53 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 11, 2016, 10:57:50 PM
What's the story with these Cheltenham preview nights, is it a racket by now?

Most of them are in aid of a charity.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2016, 08:38:17 AM
Got a tip for Cheltenham... Townsend?? Any views on it?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 12, 2016, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2016, 08:38:17 AM
Got a tip for Cheltenham... Townsend?? Any views on it?

Townshend, big talking horse from the Mullins yard, tanked through his race last time on his 1st run for Mullins before emptying and not knocked about by Ruby behind some in form rivals. That was over 2m4 on heavy. With how keen he travelled the drop back in trip and pace of the county will suit. Wouldn't put you off. From my understanding they felt he'd be good enough to be contesting the graded Novice races at the festival so his mark's lenient if that's true.

Think Nicholls and Pipe could do decent in the handicaps this season, few of their horses have been plummeting down the handicap. Salubrious in particular for Nicholls interests me wherever he goes,managed to get dropped 8lb in 3 runs since December. Down to a very fair mark of 140 over fences having previously won the Martin Pipe off 141  a few seasons back and he has shown ability over fences.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
I don't think Townshend will get into the County Hurdle.

Squouateur, the horse who won that Fairyhouse race, is worth following.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2016, 05:05:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
I don't think Townshend will get into the County Hurdle.

Squouateur, the horse who won that Fairyhouse race, is worth following.
Heard it from a man who knew a man  ;D..... Some craic when Cheltenham comes round!! Everyone knows a tip
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 14, 2016, 11:40:16 PM
SNH: Bellshill
Arkle: Douvan - game changer W/O
UHC: theatre guide
Champ Hurdle: Nichols canyon
Mares: Vroom Vroom mag
NHC: Vieux lion rouge
Novices handi chase: Ballyalton

Just for the craic here my picks for tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Worker on March 15, 2016, 08:53:55 AM
Vautour confirmed for the Ryanair.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2016, 11:17:03 AM
Funny old days racing,finding it hard to find anything i'm particularly strong on, probably have only 2 bets one in the Supreme and one in the 4 miler.

Tombstone has been there or thereabouts all winter but hasn't won in  graded company yet,was slightly disappointed with him last time behind Bleu et Rouge when he came with every chance but looked a bit soft in the finish but i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt the combination of heavy ground and 2mile 2 furlong meant he was at the end of his tether when he arrived there, was noticeable that day he was a big drifter too so there might've been plenty left to work on.  Elliott's adamant the better ground will suit and i'd say he'll be dropped in and be arriving between the last 2,hopefully picking up nicely. Min looks like he could be a real good animal and his jumping in particular has been brilliant but he's just too keen for my liking and Altior might want a bit further.

In the 4 miler i'm surprised Pont Alexandra is available at double figures,looks a thorough stayer to my eyes and hopefully Paddy isn't afraid of going on with him and using his jumping if there's no pace, not a race for much confidence but think he's a fair e/w chance at the price.

Good luck to everyone and hopefully we all make a few bob.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2016, 01:40:43 PM
Altior was class. Flew up the hill.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 15, 2016, 01:49:26 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 15, 2016, 01:40:43 PM
Altior was class. Flew up the hill.

Good start for the bookies!! Min would have been backed fairly heavily!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2016, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 15, 2016, 01:49:26 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 15, 2016, 01:40:43 PM
Altior was class. Flew up the hill.

Good start for the bookies!! Min would have been backed fairly heavily!

I'd be happy enough to see a few favs beaten today. Fancy a few short ones tomorrow and wouldn't mind the bookies getting brave.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2016, 02:04:08 PM
In saying that I don't want to see Douvan beat, he's a joy to watch.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 15, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Min ruined my mullins accumulator straight away. Douvan at 5/1 for a new customer helps though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 15, 2016, 03:38:31 PM
Impressive from Annie Power
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2016, 03:49:23 PM
Yeah she annihilated them. Easy peasy for her, some training performance to get My Tent or Yours back in that kind of form by Nicky.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 16, 2016, 09:48:14 AM
Any tips for today ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mikehunt on March 16, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 16, 2016, 09:48:14 AM
Any tips for today ?

Foundation in the 2.50. Put your house on it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GJL on March 16, 2016, 02:13:04 PM
Quote from: mikehunt on March 16, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 16, 2016, 09:48:14 AM
Any tips for today ?

Foundation in the 2.50. Put your house on it.

Is that a solid bet?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mikehunt on March 16, 2016, 04:21:02 PM
Quote from: GJL on March 16, 2016, 02:13:04 PM
Quote from: mikehunt on March 16, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 16, 2016, 09:48:14 AM
Any tips for today ?

Foundation in the 2.50. Put your house on it.

Is that a solid bet?

Straight forecast, Hoof Hearted to be followed by Ice Melt It in the bumper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 18, 2016, 01:54:19 PM
"And its cue card leading as we come up to the last, lands beautifully, pulls away by 3 to 4 lengths, and it's cue card, the 2016 Cheltenham Gold Cup Winner, ridden by Paddy Brennan"  ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 18, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on March 18, 2016, 01:54:19 PM
"And its cue card leading as we come up to the last, lands beautifully, pulls away by 3 to 4 lengths, and it's cue card, the 2016 Cheltenham Gold Cup Winner, ridden by Paddy Brennan"  ;) ;)
Unfortunately not.
Was going well when he fell
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 18, 2016, 05:43:35 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 18, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on March 18, 2016, 01:54:19 PM
"And its cue card leading as we come up to the last, lands beautifully, pulls away by 3 to 4 lengths, and it's cue card, the 2016 Cheltenham Gold Cup Winner, ridden by Paddy Brennan"  ;) ;)
Unfortunately not.
Was going well when he fell
unfortunately not is right as i had him backed. was travelling really well when he fell.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 19, 2016, 09:45:14 AM
Vautour v Don Cossack at Punchestown? That would be something to look forward to. I've never been a big Don Cossack fan but fair play to Elliot. He always maintained he was a class act.

Great to see Sprinter Sacre back. He was the best chaser I'd ever seen when he was dominant three years ago.

Thistlecrack was sensational yesterday. Alpha Des Obeaux is a very decent horse and he toyed with him. The distance they put between themselves and the third horse was incredible.

Annie Power was a good result from a personal point of view. She wasn't winning out of turn at Cheltenham and it's mad to think she wasn't even in the entries for the race only six weeks ago.

Interesting to see what route they take with Douvan next season. If he gets three miles could Vautour drop back to two miles.

If I could take one horse out of the week it would be Yorkhill. I think he would have won the Supreme had they run him in that. Yanworth was all the rage and Yorkhill just dismissed him with ease. He has serious scope.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bridgegael on March 19, 2016, 10:59:17 AM
Altior is another horse that will have great days ahead.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 19, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
Someone was asking about Townshend the other day for the festival,didn't make the cut but goes in  the 3.15 Kempton but is short in what looks a competitive field, wouldn't be surprised to see Gordon Elliotts monkey Vercingetorix run well in it at a big price but not one for much faith.

Went over to Cheltenham yesterday primarily to watch Don Cossack win the Gold cup and delighted he did,Coopers had plenty of criticism aimed at him over the last few months and i myself questioned a few of his rides but he's still only a kid and has a big future and his emotion after the win yesterday was great to see.
As for Don Cossack himself he frustrated me plenty of times over the years and looked like a big soft  fecker a few times and really tested my patience as a punter but he's become a superstar. Never really had a moments worry yesterday, the mistake about 3 or 4 out the only slight worry i had but otherwise went pretty perfectly and he jumped impeccably.

Thistlecrack the performance of the week for me though and i'll be excited to see what they do with him next year, talk is he'll be going for the Gold cup if the season goes to plan and skipping the Novice races . Sounds a bit mad to be doing it but at 9 next season they don't want to waste a season Novice chasing and he's that much of a monster i wouldn't put it by him to do it if taking to fences.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 21, 2016, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: beer baron on March 19, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
Thistlecrack the performance of the week for me though and i'll be excited to see what they do with him next year, talk is he'll be going for the Gold cup if the season goes to plan and skipping the Novice races . Sounds a bit mad to be doing it but at 9 next season they don't want to waste a season Novice chasing and he's that much of a monster i wouldn't put it by him to do it if taking to fences.

Fair play to them I'd say. Too many of the bigger trainers wrap their good horses up in cotton wool these days. He could win another two Stayers Hurdles and never get the adulation that a Gold Cup winner would get. I'm sure the comparison will be made with Iris's Gift but this is a much better horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 28, 2016, 06:29:04 PM
Out with my dad for a few.. Stuck with Fairyhouse.... 4 winners!! Were they easy to pick?? I'm hopeless at picking  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 26, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
The Mullins hotpots getting a bloody nose at Punchestown. It's almost refreshing to see.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 28, 2016, 08:02:14 PM
It's that time of the year again DH, who wins the Farmers race  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 28, 2016, 08:54:10 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 28, 2016, 08:02:14 PM
It's that time of the year again DH, who wins the Farmers race  :D

It won't be me anyway!  >:(

It'll take a good horse to give so much weight to Ross O'Sullivan's mare if she puts in a clear round. Her jumping is supposed to have gone to pieces in her last p2p.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2016, 09:53:07 PM
Vroom Vroom and on the fringe have been my saviour, absolute beast of a performance
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 29, 2016, 10:23:00 PM
Just back from my solicitor where I obtained the house deeds.
The current plan is to head to Paddy Power at midday  tomorrow to place the deeds on Air Force Blue.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on April 29, 2016, 10:31:03 PM
Been having a nightmare from a punting perspective at Punchestown this week. Thankfully, On the Fringe came in to complete my 'last chance saloon', treble. Phew.

I don't follow the flat at all but there's been loads written about air force blue. Is it really that much of a good thing?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
I think the tongue tie has to be a worry, his breathing must be giving bother, on the other hand ive heard minding will go off easy odds on on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 30, 2016, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: ardchieftain on April 29, 2016, 10:31:03 PM
I don't follow the flat at all but there's been loads written about air force blue. Is it really that much of a good thing?

Formwise he's an understandable price but you're taking a lot on trust with the sire. There have been plenty of War Fronts who haven't trained on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 01, 2016, 08:00:48 PM
Minding was in a class of her own today. It just proves again what an incredible sire Galileo is. Sire of the first three home and grandsire of the fourth horse.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on May 22, 2016, 02:07:43 PM
Well what about that then? Anybody that didn't know about Adrian Keatley and Shane Foley sure will now. Brilliant stuff.  :D :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 22, 2016, 06:52:15 PM
Dusty Foley is top class. Has been for a number of years. For him it's just a case of trying to get on good horses.

I'd say Hannon is bulling at that result today!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 05, 2016, 03:15:47 PM
Superb result at Epsom for DK, the Aga Khan and Pat Smullen. It would have been a travesty if the great race had eluded one of the greatest trainers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 05, 2016, 07:44:52 PM
happy for weld but surely best horse came second
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 06, 2016, 12:27:14 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 05, 2016, 07:44:52 PM
happy for weld but surely best horse came second

Harzand certainly got the run of the race but US Army Ranger got to within a neck at one stage and went down by a length and a half in the end. I'm not convinced that the winner was doing a whole lot in front.

I wouldn't back either with confidence to win back at the Curragh. I would have a very slight leaning towards Harzand provided there is enough of an ease. You would expect a big Sea The Stars colt like Harzand to improve with racing and for a stiffer and more conventional track like the Curragh. US Army Ranger stepped up a lot on his Chester effort and should find it easier to lie up closer next time in a smaller field.

Hopefully they both run because it has been too long since we've had a proper clash at the Curragh.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 04, 2016, 01:28:25 PM
Sad day for racing with the retirement of Kieren Fallon and the death of the photographer Liam Healy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 21, 2016, 08:56:37 PM
Pyromaniacs ban stands despite Tony Martin throwing Paddy Mc Guigan under the bus, DH you'd know a lot more about the goings on in racing circles but i would've expected a senior trainer to do his best not to hang an inexperienced rider? ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: The Trap on July 25, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Anybody got one for Galway?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on July 26, 2016, 08:45:26 AM
Very very sad news about JT McNamara passing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on July 26, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on July 26, 2016, 08:45:26 AM
Very very sad news about JT McNamara passing.

That's really sad news! RIP JT!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Such sad news to wake up to. It's hard to describe how gifted a rider John Thomas was. He had more horsemanship in his little finger than most celebrated professionals.

The man was a genius.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on July 29, 2016, 11:26:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 26, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Such sad news to wake up to. It's hard to describe how gifted a rider John Thomas was. He had more horsemanship in his little finger than most celebrated professionals.

The man was a genius.

Lovely tribute by Alistair Down here - http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/alastair-down-jt-mcnamaras-fighting-spirit-never-flinched/2126764/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on August 02, 2016, 08:55:14 PM
Charles Byrnes had an interesting evening at Roscommon, well punted treble landed. Will there be questions asked?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on August 02, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Davy Russell is some pilot, could believe it when the third one went in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: orangeman on September 28, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Michael O'Leary and Willie Mullins have fallen out of bed.


60 horses removed from the yard. Major fall out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on September 28, 2016, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 28, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Michael O'Leary and Willie Mullins have fallen out of bed.


60 horses removed from the yard. Major fall out.

Over fees...Mullins says fee increase is the first in 10 years.

Anyone know what the fees are for a season...not that I've many horses or anything?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 28, 2016, 09:22:19 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 28, 2016, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 28, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Michael O'Leary and Willie Mullins have fallen out of bed.


60 horses removed from the yard. Major fall out.

Over fees...Mullins says fee increase is the first in 10 years.

Anyone know what the fees are for a season...not that I've many horses or anything?

A lot!

I doubt Mullins will lose too much sleep over it. Apart from Apples Jade, most of his Gigginstown horses are fairly moderate compared to some of the other top quality horses he has in his yard. He won't have much bother filling the empty boxes anyway.

Long term this might not be a bad thing for the Irish National Hunt racing scene which has gone a bit stale recently. Seeing trainers like Colm Murphy packing the game in shows that it's not in a great state at the moment. Elliot should benefit the most from this and I'm sure it's welcome news to Noel Meade who was probably hit hardest out of all the leading trainers after the arse fell out of the economy. Interesting to see how the O'Brien operation in Pilltown develops over the next few years.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 29, 2016, 12:01:39 AM
O'leary is a very hard man to warm to, near billionaire fighting with millionaire over money just pisses me off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ashman on September 29, 2016, 12:17:20 AM
I would think the Maroon and White would be hard to deal with .
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mouview on September 29, 2016, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 29, 2016, 12:01:39 AM
O'leary is a very hard man to warm to, near billionaire fighting with millionaire over money just pisses me off.
Mullins is even harder; doesn't help having that dipstick Ruby as stable jock.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2016, 03:12:42 PM
Aidan O'Brien. What more can you say?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Two Hands FFS on November 06, 2016, 05:21:34 PM
Awful news about Vautour.  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 06, 2016, 06:54:42 PM
Awful sad news. Vatour was my fav horse in training. Losing avant tout today as well. This with the news of freddi tyleki shows how tough this game is, if ever we needed reminding!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on November 06, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
thats terrible news, superstar. festival banker.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 06, 2016, 10:18:26 PM
It always seems to be the good ones although the Freddie Tylicki news does put it into perspective.

https://www.gofundme.com/freddie-tylicki (https://www.gofundme.com/freddie-tylicki)
Title: Dún Dealgán 9-00pm
Post by: drici on December 16, 2016, 09:10:02 PM
The course commentary was only marginally louder than the crowd singing during the last (9-00pm) there now.
.

1st  8 Song Of Love (IRE)  12/1
2nd  6 Zanjabeel  14/1
3rd  1 Brokopondo (IRE)  11/2

Winning Trainer
J O'Brien

Winning Jockey
D O'Brien
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on December 16, 2016, 09:26:55 PM
Singing Celtic songs for a full hour.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on December 16, 2016, 10:11:23 PM
What was going on? I thought I was hearing things
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on December 19, 2016, 12:13:52 PM
Thistlecrack goes for the King George, looks like we might have a race on our hands afterall.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2016, 03:31:04 PM
Quote from: beer baron on December 19, 2016, 12:13:52 PM
Thistlecrack goes for the King George, looks like we might have a race on our hands afterall.

Hats off to the Tizzards.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 26, 2016, 04:40:11 PM
He's a bull of a horse. Kempton is a flat track though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2016, 07:05:40 PM
A horse who gets 3 miles over hurdles at Cheltenham should have no trouble getting 3m2 over fences there. Generally horses stay a little bit further over fences because they're going that gear slower. I'd like to see him settling a bit more to be taking even money for a Gold Cup particularly if he has a galloper like Coneygree taking him on down the back on the second circuit but it's only a minor criticism. To win a King George as a novice on only his fourth chase start (the first since the great Captain Christy) is a credit to his trainer. Most connections would be satisfied to mop up the Stayers Hurdle for a few years and it would have been easy to have a nice leisurely school round in the Feltham instead today.

I'd pay good money to see a match between Thistlecrack and Douvan over 2m4 in the Melling at Liverpool.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 26, 2016, 08:48:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2016, 07:05:40 PM
A horse who gets 3 miles over hurdles at Cheltenham should have no trouble getting 3m2 over fences there. Generally horses stay a little bit further over fences because they're going that gear slower. I'd like to see him settling a bit more to be taking even money for a Gold Cup particularly if he has a galloper like Coneygree taking him on down the back on the second circuit but it's only a minor criticism. To win a King George as a novice on only his fourth chase start (the first since the great Captain Christy) is a credit to his trainer. Most connections would be satisfied to mop up the Stayers Hurdle for a few years and it would have been easy to have a nice leisurely school round in the Feltham instead today.

I'd pay good money to see a match between Thistlecrack and Douvan over 2m4 in the Melling at Liverpool.

Thistlecrack would eat him in my opinion

He reminds me of Sea the Stars equivalent over fences.

A handsome, tank of a horse with the power of a thoroughbred.

He's a special horse - just not sure he'll win it this year.

But he'll win two or maybe even three Gold Cups at least
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2016, 08:51:34 PM
He'll be a 9yo in five days time. If he's not winning it in 2017, he'll find it difficult to ever win one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: INDIANA on December 26, 2016, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 26, 2016, 08:51:34 PM
He'll be a 9yo in five days time. If he's not winning it in 2017, he'll find it difficult to ever win one.

Fair point but I think he's an exception . i think he could win it as a 10 and 11 year old. But definitely not older.

I think it's this year or next year. I didn't realise he was 9 next week. thought he was just gone 8


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on January 11, 2017, 11:11:27 AM
Don Cossack retired  :( Looking like a weak Gold Cup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on January 11, 2017, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: beer baron on January 11, 2017, 11:11:27 AM
Don Cossack retired  :( Looking like a weak Gold Cup.

A bad sign when the favourite for a race like this is at evens!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 28, 2017, 03:51:22 PM
Backed Many Clouds today each way. What a heroic effort to beat Thistlecrack. Such a tragic ending! RIP

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2017/01/28/many-clouds-former-grand-national-winner-dies-beating-thistlecrack/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 06, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
Faugheen  and Min to miss Cheltenham, Altior a penalty kick for the arkle now and the Champion hurdle will be won by a handicapper.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2017, 05:43:36 PM
It's a shame we'll probably never get to see just how good Faugheen is.

He is one of the best horses I've ever seen but we've been robbed of his prime. The way he pulverised Arctic Fire and Nicholls Canyon at Leopardstown was freakish.

Altior could potentially have to fave Yorkhill now who shapes as if he'd benefit from an end to end two mile gallop.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2017, 05:43:36 PM
It's a shame we'll probably never get to see just how good Faugheen is.

He is one of the best horses I've ever seen but we've been robbed of his prime. The way he pulverised Arctic Fire and Nicholls Canyon at Leopardstown was freakish.

Altior could potentially have to fave Yorkhill now who shapes as if he'd benefit from an end to end two mile gallop.

Why are these horses so fragile? Coupled with Ruby's last flight falls they are not blessed with heaps of luck. Will Annie Power see Cheltenham?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 06, 2017, 07:50:43 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2017, 05:43:36 PM
It's a shame we'll probably never get to see just how good Faugheen is.

He is one of the best horses I've ever seen but we've been robbed of his prime. The way he pulverised Arctic Fire and Nicholls Canyon at Leopardstown was freakish.

Altior could potentially have to fave Yorkhill now who shapes as if he'd benefit from an end to end two mile gallop.

Why are these horses so fragile? Coupled with Ruby's last flight falls they are not blessed with heaps of luck. Will Annie Power see Cheltenham?

Nope she's ruled out too. I think Brain Power will win the Champion hurdle  :o 
Any chance they'd send Yorkhill back hurdling DH or will Vroum Vroum get entered? I'd be against her if she does, looks to have regressed this year.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2017, 09:41:19 PM
Every chance Vroom Vroom Mag will be rerouted. Ricci already has Limini for the Mares Hurdle. I wouldn't read too much into the Doncaster race. It's a curious NH track and it's rare to see a horse win by far around there. She'd have a chance if she returned to her Punchestown form of last Spring.

I'd be keeping Yorkhill over fences if he were mine. It's hard to see a Presenting win a Champion Hurdle but if ever there was a weak enough year for it to happen, this is it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 06, 2017, 10:14:07 PM
Vatour, Annie Power, Faugheen, Killlultagh Vic, Min and all the Gigginstown horses. Yet Willie is still dominating the run up to Cheltenham
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 07, 2017, 12:47:52 AM
Long term Willie will do fine without Gigginstown. All of the empty boxes were filled within weeks. The man is a genius and he has surrounded himself with the best. Walsh is the best rider we're ever likely to see with Townend as a more than able deputy. Harold Kirk has a great eye for young stock and he has serious connections.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 21, 2017, 02:18:26 PM
thistlecrack out of gold cup with tendon injury. Wide open this year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2017, 03:01:54 PM
The two highest rated hurdlers in training out of the Champion Hurdle and the highest rated staying chaser along with the two previous winners out of the Gold Cup.  :'(

Not a vintage year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 21, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
Gold Cup going to be won by some animal at double figure prices i suspect, Champagne West of De Bromhead's that has learnt to jump like a buck since going to him(no surprise) could be one to spring a shock but hard to rule out anything really. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on February 21, 2017, 03:08:58 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2017, 03:01:54 PM
The two highest rated hurdlers in training out of the Champion Hurdle and the highest rated staying chaser along with the two previous winners out of the Gold Cup.  :'(

Not a vintage year.



Djackadam 2nd in last 2. Surely never a better shot at it ?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
I've an unbroken Getaway out in the back field. I might pop him over a fence tomorrow and supplement him!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 21, 2017, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
I've an unbroken Getaway out in the back field. I might pop him over a fence tomorrow and supplement him!

If Willie had any guts at the start of the year Douvan would have a penalty kick now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2017, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 21, 2017, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 21, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
I've an unbroken Getaway out in the back field. I might pop him over a fence tomorrow and supplement him!

If Willie had any guts at the start of the year Douvan would have a penalty kick now.

He has a penalty kick with no goalkeeper instead!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 01, 2017, 05:12:30 PM
O'Leary throws the toys out of the pram again.

Grand National 2017: Don Poli among eight Gigginstown House Stud withdrawals - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/39129382

The annual - Irish horses get a raw deal by the UK handicapper debate.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 01, 2017, 05:24:09 PM
Between the handicapping and the modifications to the track they've made a complete balls of the Aintree National over the last ten years or so. It is becoming just another staying handicap chase at this stage.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on March 13, 2017, 07:00:32 PM
Cheltenham tomorrow.  Any tips for the week?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 13, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
Another week of battling the bookies, cheers, tears, and the odd hangover. I can't bloody wait!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orior on March 13, 2017, 10:00:50 PM
I couldnt sleep the other night so got up and did some channel surfing, before landing on horse racing in Australia. I don't bet or follow horse racing, but the place looked warm and nice.

Anyway, you know when they lead the horses around in a circle before the jockeys mount up, do the horses ever stand on people's toes? 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2017, 07:44:15 AM
Few mates heading over today for the festival!! Hopefully they'll get their money back!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 14, 2017, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: Orior on March 13, 2017, 10:00:50 PM
I couldnt sleep the other night so got up and did some channel surfing, before landing on horse racing in Australia. I don't bet or follow horse racing, but the place looked warm and nice.

Anyway, you know when they lead the horses around in a circle before the jockeys mount up, do the horses ever stand on people's toes?
Did Olly frape you there Orior?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 14, 2017, 11:46:48 AM
Everybody keeping their cards close to their chest today!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WT4E on March 14, 2017, 01:17:10 PM
Lads I'm in the south on a secured work laptop - anywhere I can watch the racing? I remember I use to be able to watch it on rte player but didn't realise it was on TV3 this year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 14, 2017, 01:17:10 PM
Lads I'm in the south on a secured work laptop - anywhere I can watch the racing? I remember I use to be able to watch it on rte player but didn't realise it was on TV3 this year
TV3 Player not work?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WT4E on March 14, 2017, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 14, 2017, 01:17:10 PM
Lads I'm in the south on a secured work laptop - anywhere I can watch the racing? I remember I use to be able to watch it on rte player but didn't realise it was on TV3 this year
TV3 Player not work?

No it says sorry this video is not available to watch in your region which I don't understand as I am in Dublin!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 01:25:21 PM
Mobdro on the phone?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 01:30:34 PM
Stream from ITV is on Mobdro
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 01:36:21 PM
Labaik at 25/1? A lot of Cheltenham's off to a bad start I suppose?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WT4E on March 14, 2017, 01:43:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 01:30:34 PM
Stream from ITV is on Mobdro

Thanks BIFFO!  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 14, 2017, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 01:36:21 PM
Labaik at 25/1? A lot of Cheltenham's off to a bad start I suppose?

YES!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 02:15:56 PM
Altior delivers. Charbel was going right well until he fell 2 out.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 14, 2017, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 02:15:56 PM
Altior delivers. Charbel was going right well until he fell 2 out.

Terrible bad luck although I don't think he would have stayed with Altior . . . The next race is a bit more open!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 02:59:27 PM
Looks like Un Temps Pour Tout won on a photo over Single Farm Payment. Great race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Esmarelda on March 14, 2017, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 14, 2017, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 01:36:21 PM
Labaik at 25/1? A lot of Cheltenham's off to a bad start I suppose?

YES!!
Got him at 33/1.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
Buveur D'Air wins the Champion Hurdle for JP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 14, 2017, 03:43:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
Buveur D'Air wins the Champion Hurdle for JP.

and DB  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 03:45:16 PM
Does that count as an Irish win or not? Is an Irish winner an Irish trained winner, or an Irish owned winner?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 04:18:20 PM
Apples Jade beats the two Mullins horses for Gordon Elliot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 14, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
Tiger roll ..  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
My boss was talking about ordinary world leading up to this and even at a conference call today it was mentioned as a each way backer!! Completely forgot and the thing came in 3rd at 25/1!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 14, 2017, 08:01:26 PM
Good opening day for a change, had Cloudy Day without Altior at 5/1 and Buveur D'air at 11/2. Few bob to play with.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 15, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
This board is gone to the dogs .. this is the quietest this thread has been for cheltenham.. there's a few notable cheltenham fans missing..

That been said .. what do u reckon today? I was lucky enough yesterday with tiger roll
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: NAG1 on March 15, 2017, 09:55:14 AM
Quote from: leenie on March 15, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
This board is gone to the dogs .. this is the quietest this thread has been for cheltenham.. there's a few notable cheltenham fans missing..

That been said .. what do u reckon today? I was lucky enough yesterday with tiger roll

I think the general aura around Cheltenham is wearing off, for the fair weather horse racing fans.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on March 15, 2017, 10:27:50 AM
Neon Wolf opposable in the first. Think Alpha Des Obeaux will be hard beat in the RSa and have a nice 20/1 ticket on him so here's hoing :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 01:52:05 PM
Quote from: beer baron on March 15, 2017, 10:27:50 AM
Neon Wolf opposable in the first. Think Alpha Des Obeaux will be hard beat in the RSa and have a nice 20/1 ticket on him so here's hoing :D

Fiver on Willoughby court!! pure luck, stayed on and beat him by a nose!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 15, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
Bookies cleaning up again with loads of acca's busted with Bacardys not even placing and Neon finishing 2nd... will probably make up for the hit they'll take on Douvan!

Good man MR2 nice one to start the day with!

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Think Ruby has to get a winner soon so I'll back him here
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on March 15, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
Might bite pulls off one of the most incredible Cheltenham finishes of all time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 15, 2017, 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 15, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
Might bite pulls off one of the most incredible Cheltenham finishes of all time.

That was phenomenal . . . did the horse get drawn to the crowd or what?? Couldn't believe it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: stiffler on March 15, 2017, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 15, 2017, 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 15, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
Might bite pulls off one of the most incredible Cheltenham finishes of all time.

That was phenomenal . . . did the horse get drawn to the crowd or what?? Couldn't believe it!

Has a reputation of being a bit wild! Good job for the loose horse to chase home.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 15, 2017, 03:19:52 PM
Supasundae  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 15, 2017, 03:20:25 PM
I'd have better luck picking the Euromillions!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Declan on March 15, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
Lots of lads heading home early after that result. Jaysus Douvain :o :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 15, 2017, 03:43:00 PM
douvan  :o

Willies having a bad week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 15, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
Don't bet on the horses anymore and i have to say i still enjoy watching the races, I have to say the way the results are going i'm glad too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mouview on March 15, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
Good bet would be shares in PP; winners at Cheltenham usually cost them a lot. If outsiders continue to win, they'll mint it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 15, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Think Ruby has to get a winner soon so I'll back him here

That worked out well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 15, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Think Ruby has to get a winner soon so I'll back him here

That worked out well

Well a fiver lost there.. never looked like getting a win.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 15, 2017, 09:55:06 PM
I've never backed as many 2nds in my life and only had the one winner, buveur dair. That was very uncomfortable watching Douvan today, should Ruby have pulled him up?

Something seems amiss with Mullins' horses. Don't think i'll bother with Yorkhill or Let's dance tomorrow. [ of course they'll both hack up now].
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Lecale2 on March 16, 2017, 08:10:11 AM
Poor week so far. I'm going to oppose Yorkhill in the first and go for Disko.

In the stayers hurdle I'll be looking at the betting without the fav market.

Fancy Dr Harper in the bumper (EW)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 15, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Think Ruby has to get a winner soon so I'll back him here

That worked out well

Well a fiver lost there.. never looked like getting a win.
Ruby could turn around and have three today and the Gold Cup tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 16, 2017, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 15, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Think Ruby has to get a winner soon so I'll back him here

That worked out well

Well a fiver lost there.. never looked like getting a win.
Ruby could turn around and have three today and the Gold Cup tomorrow.

6/4 already
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 16, 2017, 03:05:31 PM
Ruby does it again...hope u backed it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 16, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
Jasus Ruby again...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 03:44:42 PM
Decent day thank god made my losses back after 2 days of disaster!!!

Had the favourite won the last I would have been walking away with a tidy profit but such is life. A couple of winners makes the whole week worth while but it's hard to enjoy until it happens.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 16, 2017, 04:18:12 PM
The Irish having a good day today
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 04:30:09 PM
They've annihilated the Brits this year... 3/1 for Ireland to win and 5/1 Elliot top trainer before the Festival!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 16, 2017, 05:57:17 PM
Form is temporary class is permanent!! Ruby can do it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 06:41:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 16, 2017, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 15, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Think Ruby has to get a winner soon so I'll back him here

That worked out well

Well a fiver lost there.. never looked like getting a win.
Ruby could turn around and have three today and the Gold Cup tomorrow.

6/4 already

Form is temporary. Class is permanent. An oul fellow here in our club is an absute Ruby loyalist. He did a 2 euro Ruby yankee today and is pulling over 1000 euro. 
Djakadam tomorrow might be the one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 16, 2017, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 06:41:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 16, 2017, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 15, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Think Ruby has to get a winner soon so I'll back him here

That worked out well

Well a fiver lost there.. never looked like getting a win.
Ruby could turn around and have three today and the Gold Cup tomorrow.

6/4 already

Form is temporary. Class is permanent. An oul fellow here in our club is an absute Ruby loyalist. He did a 2 euro Ruby yankee today and is pulling over 1000 euro. 
Djakadam tomorrow might be the one.

I backed him twice today, singles though as I'm a fiver or at the very most a tenner! Watch a guy hand over £200 that came in at 6/4 ! Wife would kill me ffs
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 16, 2017, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 06:41:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 16, 2017, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 16, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 15, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Think Ruby has to get a winner soon so I'll back him here

That worked out well

Well a fiver lost there.. never looked like getting a win.
Ruby could turn around and have three today and the Gold Cup tomorrow.

6/4 already

Form is temporary. Class is permanent. An oul fellow here in our club is an absute Ruby loyalist. He did a 2 euro Ruby yankee today and is pulling over 1000 euro. 
Djakadam tomorrow might be the one.

I backed him twice today, singles though as I'm a fiver or at the very most a tenner! Watch a guy hand over £200 that came in at 6/4 ! Wife would kill me ffs
Im the same be it the horses, football or greyhounds.
A 2 euro patent or 1 euro lucky 15. Usually throw a few favourites and a middling outsider together. I often get two out of three for the patent or two or three out of four for the lucky 15 so I would have a reasonable return. I work too hard to be throwing heavy sums away. But I have seen some heavy punting this week from a few lads
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 16, 2017, 07:46:25 PM
Cashed out on a Yorkhill, Un De Sceaux, unowatimeanarry treble about 2 mins before the off. ;D  Well in front & won't be doing anything silly 2moro.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 24, 2017, 07:21:49 PM
Punchestown tomorrow  :D

Will Labaik the mad scone plant himself at the start again?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 24, 2017, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 24, 2017, 07:21:49 PM
Punchestown tomorrow  :D

Will Labaik the mad scone plant himself at the start again?

im counting on it  ;)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 25, 2017, 02:02:53 AM
Quote from: beer baron on April 24, 2017, 07:21:49 PM
Punchestown tomorrow  :D

Will Labaik the mad scone plant himself at the start again?

It would be great to find out who actually owns the horse these days. 'Interesting' back story to the ownership of that animal to say the least.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 26, 2017, 12:07:54 AM
I'm just chiming in on this thread to alert everyone to the fact that I have no interest in horse racing.

That is all.

All right there, Laoislad?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
Tellthemnuttin, 15.40 at Punchestown, e/w. I'm not a gambler but lad has tipped him 3/4 times now and has come in every time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Esmarelda on April 26, 2017, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
Tellthemnuttin, 15.40 at Punchestown, e/w. I'm not a gambler but lad has tipped him 3/4 times now and has come in every time.
Is he tipping him this time?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2017, 11:41:15 AM
Sorry, thought that was clear. Tipping e/w with a good lump on it. He won pretty comfortably last time out over a longer distance in Wexford.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Esmarelda on April 26, 2017, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2017, 11:41:15 AM
Sorry, thought that was clear. Tipping e/w with a good lump on it. He won pretty comfortably last time out over a longer distance in Wexford.
It sort of was. I was just making sure you weren't tipping it blindly because your friend had previously tipped him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2017, 12:10:59 PM
Fair enough. To be clear, it's his tip, not mine. He has a connection to the owners somewhere and it's come good a few times.

When i backed it in the last race in Wexford it was my first bet in about ten years. Know nothing about form or the like, just that he seems like a decent one that has come through before when tipped. Have gone for 10 e/w, paying to 4 places at 8/1. Decent earner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 26, 2017, 12:35:40 PM
Keep an eye on the reserves in that race. Talk Friday nightlights will get in.
As for Labaik he's entertaining if nothing else, was there a bit of gamesmanship from Ruby causing them to turn again?
His ownership rumours are mental alright DH, like something from Love/Hate :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2017, 01:28:00 PM
A mate backed fridaynightlights on the basis of liking the TV show at 25-1 or something a few weeks ago and it came in!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Esmarelda on April 26, 2017, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2017, 12:10:59 PM
Fair enough. To be clear, it's his tip, not mine. He has a connection to the owners somewhere and it's come good a few times.

When i backed it in the last race in Wexford it was my first bet in about ten years. Know nothing about form or the like, just that he seems like a decent one that has come through before when tipped. Have gone for 10 e/w, paying to 4 places at 8/1. Decent earner.
Paddy Power paying five places. I'll put a wee bit on him for the craic.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 26, 2017, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 24, 2017, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 24, 2017, 07:21:49 PM
Punchestown tomorrow  :D

Will Labaik the mad scone plant himself at the start again?

im counting on it  ;)

easiest ton i'll make this year, lay at start, job done in 10 seconds  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Esmarelda on April 26, 2017, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 26, 2017, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 24, 2017, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: beer baron on April 24, 2017, 07:21:49 PM
Punchestown tomorrow  :D

Will Labaik the mad scone plant himself at the start again?

im counting on it  ;)
Surely every winning bet are equally as easy as each other. Unless you have to run to the bookies before the off.
easiest ton i'll make this year, lay at start, job done in 10 seconds  :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 27, 2017, 09:02:06 PM
Who's winning the Farmers race tomorrow DH?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on May 04, 2017, 10:20:43 PM
Good vibes for Churchill this Saturday in 2,000 Guineas anyone?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 06, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
Big changes at Godolphin this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 19, 2017, 12:21:22 AM
It seems Ana O'Brien has fractured bones in her neck and back after a fall in Killarney. :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 21, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/stalls-handler-dies-at-haydock/89697 (https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/stalls-handler-dies-at-haydock/89697)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2017, 04:31:24 PM
Serious c**k up at Yarmouth.

A 3yo wins the 2yo maiden!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on July 27, 2017, 06:04:21 PM
seems to be a genuine mistake rather than any attempt to deceive, mad how it can happen though.



An investigation is to be carried out after the 'wrong horse' won a race at Great Yarmouth at odds of 50-1.

The two-year-old Mandarin Princess, trained by Charlie McBride, was declared winner of the race at 13:40 BST after beating favourite Fyre Cay.

But a scan afterwards identified the horse as three-year-old stablemate Millie's Kiss, who had been due to run in a later race.

Stewards referred the matter to the British Horseracing Authority (BHA).

The result officially stands for betting purposes, but some bookmakers have said they will pay out on the horses finishing first and second.

The BHA described the incident as "unprecedented" since a microchipping identification system for horses was introduced in 1999.

It said: "The scan identified the horse to be Millie's Kiss, the trainer's other runner in race four.

"They (the stewards) interviewed the trainer, the stable groom, the veterinary officer and the equine welfare integrity officer responsible for the sampling unit.

"Having heard their evidence they referred the matter to the head office of the British Horseracing Authority and ordered Millie's Kiss to be withdrawn from race four."

Mandarin Princess v Millie's Kiss
Mandarin Princess: Born 16 February 2015. No previous races
Millie's Kiss: Born 22 March 2014. Ten previous races, including four at Yarmouth. One win, at Lingfield.
Millie's Kiss had been due to run for Newmarket trainer McBride in the 15:15 race.

Stipendiary steward Tony McGlone told At The Races all horses are scanned before they are brought into their stables at the course.

"These two horses, trained by Charlie McBride, were given a box each," he said.

The responsibility lies with the trainer to present and run the correct horse in the race.

"Mr McBride went over to the weighing room to collect the saddle and was slightly delayed collecting it. He rushed over.

"The stable girl had taken the horse out of the stables and put it in the saddling boxes. Mr McBride put the saddle on, the horse ran, it won.

"We then sent the horse for routine testing as normal and the veterinary officer scanned the horse and found it to be the incorrect horse."

'Genuine mistake'

John Egan, who rode the 'winner', said he was surprised the horse was not disqualified or the race declared void.

"At the end of the day, we're all human. Mistakes happen. I feel most sorry for Charlie," he said.

John Mear, a member of the Four Winds Racing Partnership that own Millie's Kiss, said they were "shocked and upset" for the trainer.

"It's nothing untoward. He's just made a genuine mistake. He must be absolutely heartbroken," he said.

McBride was unavailable for comment.

What the BHA says

"The issue had not been established until after the result had been made official. After the weighed in has been declared on the racecourse, the result cannot be amended by the stewards.

"The responsibility lies with the trainer to present and run the correct horse in the race.

"Having said that, and while we have not seen an incident of this nature in recent times, we will of course determine what steps need to be put in place to prevent it from happening again. We sympathise with the betting operators and betting public who have potentially been affected by this incident."

Analysis

BBC racing correspondent Cornelius Lysaght

Though this may read like something out of a Dick Francis novel, sources at the British Horseracing Authority are indicating this looks more like a c**k-up than anything else.

Both horses are bay coloured fillies, and the BHA will seek to find out how they were confused by Charlie McBride and/or his staff; whatever, McBride is looking at a substantial fine.

All horses are microchipped so they can be checked on arrival at the track, but, after this, a second ID check, probably in the paddock before the race, is likely to be brought in.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 28, 2017, 05:15:33 PM
Hard to believe that Coolmore were considering putting David O'Meara in Ballydoyle just two years ago. APOB just continues to deliver time and time again. Ireland's finest in his chosen field?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on October 28, 2017, 05:33:25 PM
Doesnt get anywhere near the credit he deserves. Serious operator and he handles himself so well. Hes a national treasure
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
At The Races loses all Irish racetracks to Racing UK from 2019.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on February 03, 2018, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
At The Races loses all Irish racetracks to Racing UK from 2019.
big blow for irish racing, ATR's has given massive exposure to irish meetings. a lot of people wont have the same access to racing uk. on another note its great to see some top quality horse on show at the 'dublin festival' at leopardstown this weekend.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONARAGGATIP on February 03, 2018, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 03, 2018, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
At The Races loses all Irish racetracks to Racing UK from 2019.
big blow for irish racing, ATR's has given massive exposure to irish meetings. a lot of people wont have the same access to racing uk. on another note its great to see some top quality horse on show at the 'dublin festival' at leopardstown this weekend.

faugheen no longer a machine? 6/1 for the festival now, still tempted like.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 04, 2018, 12:48:59 AM
Willy told anyone within a mile that "Yorkville was flying" betting opens and min backed off board and pisses it. The sport was always corrupt but these superpowers are killing the game
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 05, 2018, 12:33:51 AM
Anyone who thought a Presenting out of a Sadlers Hall mare was going to be a superstar over two miles needs their head seeing to.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 05, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 03, 2018, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
At The Races loses all Irish racetracks to Racing UK from 2019.
big blow for irish racing, ATR's has given massive exposure to irish meetings. a lot of people wont have the same access to racing uk. on another note its great to see some top quality horse on show at the 'dublin festival' at leopardstown this weekend.
We can presume that the financial payments to Irish courses must be better under the new deal. The British bookmaker shops will have access to Irish racing. Access for Joe Punter sitting at home will come at a cost but thats the way all sports are going
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on February 06, 2018, 10:50:01 AM
I was following a young Irish jockey, Rossa Ryan, who had a good few winners in early/mid January on the AW tracks in England. But he's only had one ride in the last 16 days (after having 21 rides in the previous 9 days).

Anyone have any insight why that might be?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on February 06, 2018, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 06, 2018, 10:50:01 AM
I was following a young Irish jockey, Rossa Ryan, who had a good few winners in early/mid January on the AW tracks in England. But he's only had one ride in the last 16 days (after having 21 rides in the previous 9 days).

Anyone have any insight why that might be?

I'm guessing Hannon thinks he's using up his claim too quickly, has 30 wins already, another 20(i think) and he's down to a 3lb claimer, i'd say Hannon might want him for some early season handicaps and not wasting his claim on low money races on the all weather. Might have 1 or 2 for that Easter Meeting too.
Title: Teilifís
Post by: drici on February 06, 2018, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2018, 05:54:33 PM

At The Races loses all Irish racetracks to Racing UK from 2019.


RTÉ get the Thyestes Day back at Gowran Park in January and will be also showing Easter Tuesday and the 1st Sunday in December from Fairyhouse.

Make sure to have the RTÉ aerial working by 2019 to be sure of being able to watch it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 06, 2018, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 06, 2018, 10:50:01 AM
I was following a young Irish jockey, Rossa Ryan, who had a good few winners in early/mid January on the AW tracks in England. But he's only had one ride in the last 16 days (after having 21 rides in the previous 9 days).

Anyone have any insight why that might be?

Cant answer that for definite but it is always worth keeping an eye on the Irish journeymen jockeys like Richie McClernon, Paddy Brennan etc. They are up and down the motorways to Kelso Perth and out in to the West Country tracks often for one ride. I got Paddy Brennan on  20/1 today, Towering and Geraghty on Herewegoherewego at 11/2, 2 singles and a double. Geraghty came second but I collected anyway. Thats was Geraghtys only ride in Market Rasen today so they must have been cobfident.   I am very familiar with the British motorways and see how tough a game it is for these boys. Perth one day and Exeter the next all in the hope of clicking a good one that might make Cheltenham or Aintree.
Title: Re: Teilifís
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2018, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: drici on February 06, 2018, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 02, 2018, 05:54:33 PM

At The Races loses all Irish racetracks to Racing UK from 2019.


RTÉ get the Thyestes Day back at Gowran Park in January and will be also showing Easter Tuesday and the 1st Sunday in December from Fairyhouse.

Make sure to have the RTÉ aerial working by 2019 to be sure of being able to watch it.

Welcome development but they had those days live 15 years ago. They're only getting back what they cut from the schedule over the last decade.

Beer Baron is spot on re Rossa Ryan. He was very highly thought of on the flapping circuit. No point in wasting his claim during the depths of winter on bucket and spade racing.
Title: Teilifís
Post by: drici on February 06, 2018, 09:41:06 PM
Indeed, Thyestes Day was an afternoon off work for many to watch it on RTÉ but not when Attheraces took it over solely.
Looks like that attitude will return as it will be a rare enough thing to see Irish Racing on the television and unlikely that an expensive pay to view channel will allow the RTÉ days to be shown on any platform that they are on. The - This Programme Is Not Available - sign will be up and an aerial will be necessary.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 06, 2018, 09:49:56 PM
What ATR does well is the quieter meetings at the likes of Tramore or Ballinrobe. Gary O'Brien always worth watching. The current coverage will b diluted within the one Racing UK channel.
Title: Re: Teilifís
Post by: Avondhu star on February 06, 2018, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: drici on February 06, 2018, 09:41:06 PM
Indeed, Thyestes Day was an afternoon off work for many to watch it on RTÉ but not when Attheraces took it over solely.
Looks like that attitude will return as it will be a rare enough thing to see Irish Racing on the television and unlikely that an expensive pay to view channel will allow the RTÉ days to be shown on any platform that they are on. The - This Programme Is Not Available - sign will be up and an aerial will be necessary.
I don't know how true it is but I was told that that tracks like Mallow (some call it Cork but I will never do so no more than the Junction being called Tipprrary) can exist on the money they get from At the Races. The provincial tracks provide a good option to the British shops because the British punters are familiar with the Irish trainers and jockeys
Far better than relying on racing from Deauville Hong Kong or South Africa
Title: Re: Teilifís
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: drici on February 06, 2018, 09:41:06 PM
Indeed, Thyestes Day was an afternoon off work for many to watch it on RTÉ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYp2FEausyM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYp2FEausyM)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on February 07, 2018, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 06, 2018, 07:48:01 PM


it is always worth keeping an eye on the Irish journeymen jockeys like Richie McClernon, Paddy Brennan etc. They are up and down the motorways to Kelso Perth and out in to the West Country tracks often for one ride. I got Paddy Brennan on  20/1 today, Towering and Geraghty on Herewegoherewego at 11/2, 2 singles and a double. Geraghty came second but I collected anyway. Thats was Geraghtys only ride in Market Rasen today so they must have been cobfident.   

Along similar, but different!, lines Gordon Elliott has sent 2 horses to Wolverhampton today.
1725 Fairy Flute about 7/1
1855 Jock Talk about 9/1
I'm doing 10 on each plus 10ew double
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 07, 2018, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 07, 2018, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 06, 2018, 07:48:01 PM


it is always worth keeping an eye on the Irish journeymen jockeys like Richie McClernon, Paddy Brennan etc. They are up and down the motorways to Kelso Perth and out in to the West Country tracks often for one ride. I got Paddy Brennan on  20/1 today, Towering and Geraghty on Herewegoherewego at 11/2, 2 singles and a double. Geraghty came second but I collected anyway. Thats was Geraghtys only ride in Market Rasen today so they must have been cobfident.   

Along similar, but different!, lines Gordon Elliott has sent 2 horses to Wolverhampton today.
1725 Fairy Flute about 7/1
1855 Jock Talk about 9/1
I'm doing 10 on each plus 10ew double
I did Jock Talk too. So much for that!
Fairy Flute withdrawn?
Elliott often sends a few to Perth Kelso etc. Worth a look but not always a winner.
Tomorrow's another day
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on February 07, 2018, 08:43:54 PM
Noticed Elliot's 2 at Wolverhampton, my immediate thoughts when I see that is - - At least one of them will be a false favourite and it will be layed all day on Betfair by those who know and some nag will romp home that Elliot and the gang will have backed to the hilt. Being the arch Coup spotter that I think I am I backed Three Star General (Trainer - David Pipe) in the 5.25 because Elliot spent a lot of time in Martin Pipe's yard. No joy this time but my logic is flawless - assume they are al crooked from the get go. :) :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 08, 2018, 08:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 07, 2018, 08:43:54 PM
Noticed Elliot's 2 at Wolverhampton, my immediate thoughts when I see that is - - At least one of them will be a false favourite and it will be layed all day on Betfair by those who know and some nag will romp home that Elliot and the gang will have backed to the hilt. Being the arch Coup spotter that I think I am I backed Three Star General (Trainer - David Pipe) in the 5.25 because Elliot spent a lot of time in Martin Pipe's yard. No joy this time but my logic is flawless - assume they are al crooked from the get go. :) :)
Saw the same last week. A strong favourite trained by Only Murphy across the water beaten by a 20 to 1 trained by Only Murphy.
A regular occurrence in Irish Racing of course with the dominance of two individuals
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Esmarelda on February 08, 2018, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 07, 2018, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 07, 2018, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 06, 2018, 07:48:01 PM


it is always worth keeping an eye on the Irish journeymen jockeys like Richie McClernon, Paddy Brennan etc. They are up and down the motorways to Kelso Perth and out in to the West Country tracks often for one ride. I got Paddy Brennan on  20/1 today, Towering and Geraghty on Herewegoherewego at 11/2, 2 singles and a double. Geraghty came second but I collected anyway. Thats was Geraghtys only ride in Market Rasen today so they must have been cobfident.   

Along similar, but different!, lines Gordon Elliott has sent 2 horses to Wolverhampton today.
1725 Fairy Flute about 7/1
1855 Jock Talk about 9/1
I'm doing 10 on each plus 10ew double
I did Jock Talk too. So much for that!
Fairy Flute withdrawn?
Elliott often sends a few to Perth Kelso etc. Worth a look but not always a winner.
Tomorrow's another day
I fell for it too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on February 08, 2018, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 08, 2018, 08:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 07, 2018, 08:43:54 PM
Noticed Elliot's 2 at Wolverhampton, my immediate thoughts when I see that is - - At least one of them will be a false favourite and it will be layed all day on Betfair by those who know and some nag will romp home that Elliot and the gang will have backed to the hilt. Being the arch Coup spotter that I think I am I backed Three Star General (Trainer - David Pipe) in the 5.25 because Elliot spent a lot of time in Martin Pipe's yard. No joy this time but my logic is flawless - assume they are al crooked from the get go. :) :)
Saw the same last week. A strong favourite trained by Only Murphy across the water beaten by a 20 to 1 trained by Only Murphy.
A regular occurrence in Irish Racing of course with the dominance of two individuals
Happens nearly every feckin day, but it's about picking the right race! Missed one solid yesterday in the first at Fairyhouse. Elliott's Park Paddocks was favourite or thereabouts and his second string, Commentarious was 14/1. Was tempted, but I got a tip for Rachael Blackmore's ride at 6/1. It came nowhere of course, but Commentarious went off at 9/2 and romped home!
Love seeing Big Gord in his Betfair woolly hat!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 11, 2018, 10:15:51 AM
Happy Birthday to you.....

Interesting story about Frankel before he arrived at Henry's


http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/frankel-was-given-a-rating-of-7-at-stud-it-was-rare-for-one-to-get-an-eight/2452083/

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on February 11, 2018, 01:25:29 PM
See At the Races has lost the rights to show Irish Racing from 1st Jan 19. Surely not good for the sport.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redzone on February 11, 2018, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 11, 2018, 10:15:51 AM
Happy Birthday to you.....

Interesting story about Frankel before he arrived at Henry's


http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/frankel-was-given-a-rating-of-7-at-stud-it-was-rare-for-one-to-get-an-eight/2452083/


Great read. Pity the story stopped there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 12, 2018, 04:44:07 PM
Big gamble on in the last at Wolverhampton. 25s into 10s. Fran Berry riding for Adrian Joyce.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: our_fella on February 27, 2018, 10:20:09 PM
Lads,found a docket in my room. From start of October. Winning docket. Will they pay me out even though its 5 months ago?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 27, 2018, 10:35:27 PM
As long as the barcode can be read, or the numbers on the barcode can be read then yeah you should be paid out in full.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on February 28, 2018, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: our_fella on February 27, 2018, 10:20:09 PM
Lads,found a docket in my room. From start of October. Winning docket. Will they pay me out even though its 5 months ago?

Of course. Some old biddies wait until the following April to cash in their previous Grand National winnings.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 28, 2018, 11:21:30 AM
Nearly the 1st of March and not much talk re Cheltenham bar the advertised Cheltenham nights
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ONARAGGATIP on February 28, 2018, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 28, 2018, 11:21:30 AM
Nearly the 1st of March and not much talk re Cheltenham bar the advertised Cheltenham nights

any thoughts on it yourself, Buveur D,Air very short, worth opposing? Ive have might bite backed for gold cup but fearful of sizing John. Altoir worth opposing in the champion chase?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 28, 2018, 03:45:00 PM
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on February 28, 2018, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 28, 2018, 11:21:30 AM
Nearly the 1st of March and not much talk re Cheltenham bar the advertised Cheltenham nights

any thoughts on it yourself, Buveur D,Air very short, worth opposing? Ive have might bite backed for gold cup but fearful of sizing John. Altoir worth opposing in the champion chase?

Altoir at 8/11 has to be opposed.
Yanworth at 5/1 for the Stayers should be there or thereabouts
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Esmarelda on February 28, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
Just looked at some of the fields for Cheltenham. They look huge. Is it likely that a lot of those entered will notify in advance that they're not racing? Sorry, bit of a novice.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 28, 2018, 04:16:57 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 28, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
Just looked at some of the fields for Cheltenham. They look huge. Is it likely that a lot of those entered will notify in advance that they're not racing? Sorry, bit of a novice.

The fields are huge at the minute as these are the declarations. In the days before the festival then only a certain amount get in. I think the biggest handicap has 26 run in it.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 09, 2018, 09:23:05 AM
Ruby Paddy Power Walsh back with an 11/8 pretty dominant win yesterday in his only ride.

Only one ride again today, Karalee in the opener at Leopardstown, where he is a juicier 13/2 (3rd fav of 5). But I'm a big fan of Jezki (my only ever big ante post Cheltenham win a few years back) who's about 10/11f, and I also like Gangster. In fact any of the 5 could probably win, so I'll steer clear! But it should be an interesting one.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2018, 10:12:40 AM
Interesting little race at Dundalk last night. Mendelssohn now heading for Dubai with a view to having a tilt at the Kentucky Derby. It's a shame that they lost Scat Daddy so young. His last 2yos will be out this year.

Elsewhere, Soft to Heavy this morning ahead of Tuesday.

(http://api.turftrax.co.uk/maps/going-reports/123714_waypoints.svg?1520676540)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 10, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
Ground could be interesting factor has it hasnt come up soft at the festival in a long time. Does it mean tho that form of irish horses could hold up better as they have been running on soft all year? Some seriously short price horses this year but like evrery other year they wont win
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 10, 2018, 10:01:19 PM
Heard a bit of talk about Mal Dini on Tuesday andcheck out what Derek O Connor is on in that race.
Bookies could be paying each way on first six
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 10, 2018, 11:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 10, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
Ground could be interesting factor has it hasnt come up soft at the festival in a long time. Does it mean tho that form of irish horses could hold up better as they have been running on soft all year? Some seriously short price horses this year but like evrery other year they wont win

Will be opposing the majority of the short priced favouites bar Footpad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 11, 2018, 12:19:03 AM
Have a few anti's that are exactly getting there, but the multiple declarations has ruined anti post betting. Not a bad week to be working in the industry but spare a thought for us that hAve to do 4 Cheltenham days then paddys day on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on March 12, 2018, 01:57:35 PM
Anyone any tips for the week - I remember a few years ago someone posted a word document of selections for each race for the week on here and followed it and it was really useful
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 12, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
Interesting article by Malachy Clerkin in the Irish Times today about a lad called Tony O'Reilly (not "the" TOR!) who started betting through a €50 PP voucher he got as a present, and his first ever bet was for for €1. His first deposit was €10 and he split that between the next 4 Liverpool matches (all on Michael Owen to score first!).

But he gradually got well into it, betting on horses, soccer and a host of other sports, but almost always doing research on his bets rather than just firing on anything. Doesn't say how long he was at it, but his PP winning returns were €9 million. Only problem was he staked €10.4 million and robbed the balance from the Post Office (where he worked), and this was how he was caught.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Targetman on March 12, 2018, 02:39:33 PM
I heard him talking to Darcy on the radio last week, he has a book out called Tony 10, all about his addiction to gambling and contemplating suicide, he spent 3 years in prison but works now as a counsellor, he had £450,000 in his PP account one day and lost it all in 12 hours!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aughafad on March 12, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
https://www.racingpost.com/news/altior-and-douvan-to-lock-horns-in-champion-chase-as-ryanair-option-shelved/322882

Definitely will oppose altior now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 13, 2018, 08:46:43 AM
Tempted to go big on Faugheen at 6/1 e/w.
Barring a mishap, I think he's a lock to beat all bar Buveur. If you could depend on Ruby to keep pushing him hard if he realises he can't beat Buveur
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 12:48:56 PM
Ok so the horses I'm losing my money on today are

Faugheen
Summervile boy
Coo star sivola

each bet and straight treble

good luck everyone
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2018, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 12:48:56 PM
Ok so the horses I'm losing my money on today are

Faugheen
Summervile boy
Coo star sivola

each bet and straight treble

good luck everyone

Nice!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
What kind of voodoo shit are you on MR2 a 5/1 & 9/1 winner already??!! Fair play!

That's all great but if Faugheen beats Beuver Dair I may not go home tonight :(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
What kind of voodoo shit are you on MR2 a 5/1 & 9/1 winner already??!! Fair play!

That's all great but if Faugheen beats Beuver Dair I may not go home tonight :(

I'm hoping it does win as i might not come in the rest of the week!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 13, 2018, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
What kind of voodoo shit are you on MR2 a 5/1 & 9/1 winner already??!! Fair play!

That's all great but if Faugheen beats Beuver Dair I may not go home tonight :(

I'm hoping it does win as i might not come in the rest of the week!!
Was coming into congratulate as I thought the treble was Footpad rather than Faugheen. Hopefully Faugheen comes through, although Ricci's two in the first ran very poorly.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
Ah well! not even placed!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2018, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
Ah well! not even placed!

Phew!!!

Faugheen fell away badly but Beuver Dair is a fine horse!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2018, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
Ah well! not even placed!

Phew!!!

Faugheen fell away badly but Beuver Dair is a fine horse!!

He had to work hard for it!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2018, 04:30:41 PM
Apples Jade . . .  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 04:36:35 PM
I say it every year, go with Ruby and you wont go to far wrong. now i picked the wrong Ruby for my third though
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 05:19:54 PM
Stats say follow Davy Russell, if you followed each of his rides over the last 5 years with a 10er stake, you'd currently be up a cool 1100
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
Managed to break even with Mr Whitaker by a small nose. . . makes it all worthwhile good day's racing!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 13, 2018, 07:55:23 PM
Had Footpad at 8/1 from months back so that's the rest of the week paid for.

Can Douvan get back to his old self? In saying that i was very impressed by Altior's acceleration after the last fence in his last race.

William Henry ew in 3rd race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2018, 12:38:04 PM
Monalee and Next destination
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 14, 2018, 01:21:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2018, 12:38:04 PM
Monalee and Next destination

E/W on Brahma Bull . . . always was a big Rock fan!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 14, 2018, 02:44:18 PM
Poor aul Ruby - another feckin broken leg  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 14, 2018, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 14, 2018, 02:44:18 PM
Poor aul Ruby - another feckin broken leg  :-\

That's horrible luck!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 14, 2018, 03:55:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 14, 2018, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 14, 2018, 02:44:18 PM
Poor aul Ruby - another feckin broken leg  :-\

That's horrible luck!!!
Same leg, according to Rich Ricci. A gamble that didnt pay off.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2018, 03:57:48 PM
Altior some unit. Douvan looked like he was coasting until he fell, but that acceleration off the last would probably have been too much anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Esmarelda on March 14, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
Had a small bit on the last one at 33/1. Hadn't a sniff prior to that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on March 14, 2018, 07:10:01 PM
Got a nice treble up today, samcro, presenting percy, altior. I'm kind of pinching myself at the minute.
Pity about apples jade or else i'd have collected on a 5 timer after presenting percy won!!

Un de seaux tomoorow, looks banjer material to me.

Need to get stuck into the rest of the races later.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 14, 2018, 07:24:19 PM
Managed to be up after today with a sneaky 5er on Tiger roll.

UDS the nap tomorrow I should think.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 15, 2018, 11:53:21 AM
Anyone spot Gavin Cromwell little winner in Huntingdon yesterday. Callthebarman ridden by Rachel Blackmore was 6/1 in the shops yesterday morning and started at 5/2.
Threw it on a triple with Altoir and Samcro so that will get me through the week

Derek O Connor on Pendra today will hopefully give a return
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on March 15, 2018, 11:57:53 AM
See Lee Westwood putting up his bets for the day on Twitter.  11 winners out of 14 so far he has had including 7 outa 7 on day one.  :o
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2018, 11:58:32 AM
Have went for L'ami Serge, Kings socks and Glenloe £2 each way treble and couple pound on each

The third day generally is the day the bookies get their money back

First two are picked purely on their names last one just seemed a decent horse!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 15, 2018, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on March 15, 2018, 11:57:53 AM
See Lee Westwood putting up his bets for the day on Twitter.  11 winners out of 14 so far he has had including 7 outa 7 on day one.  :o

The rich get richer!
He won the jackpot Tuesday
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 15, 2018, 03:00:57 PM
Got an e/w double up first 2 winners . . . thank god for that because UDS would have cleaned me otherwise!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2018, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 15, 2018, 03:00:57 PM
Got an e/w double up first 2 winners . . . thank god for that because UDS would have cleaned me otherwise!

You're hanging in there!!

I used to set aside £100 for this years ago, placed a few here and there and very rarely got anything back that was significant.. so stopped it and over the four days I'd spend £25 at most.. but its not something I'll miss when its gone, i wouldnt back horses other than Aintree and when I'm out with my dad !

Just got a past news thingy on face ook about the winner i got at Cheltenham last year Willoughby court..£5 on it! 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 15, 2018, 06:08:21 PM
First 4 winners today and a wee elw 3rd in the last ....
I bet on cheltenham for the Craic started with with £25 on Tues spread out on all the races. . And let's say I've made a few quid  8)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Targetman on March 15, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
Got the last winner there, backed it just because the jockey comes from our part of the country,, his da came in to do a bet, big roar from him when he held on, who's winning the gold cup?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: charlieTully on March 15, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
Quote from: Targetman on March 15, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
Got the last winner there, backed it just because the jockey comes from our part of the country,, his da came in to do a bet, big roar from him when he held on, who's winning the gold cup?

Usually back Noel too but didn't frigging do it this year.  Delighted for him and his da though.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 15, 2018, 09:09:29 PM
Local bookie taken for £21,000. Unfortunately not by me, yet to register😕
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Targetman on March 15, 2018, 10:13:04 PM
Who was the poor unfortunate?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 15, 2018, 10:19:05 PM
My fancied ones bit the dust but hit Russell on Storyteller.
Will chance Noel Meades in the Gold Cup and wrap it up for this year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 16, 2018, 12:39:49 PM
Have went for the Fav in the first, if it's bate, thats me done till the Grand National (thank feck) with horses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: AQMP on March 16, 2018, 01:02:14 PM
Sadly Cheltenham has passed me by this year..but I'm going to go e/w on Djakadam in the Gold Cup, as I heard Willie Mullins on the radio saying it might be his year - it's as scientific as that!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 16, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: AQMP on March 16, 2018, 01:02:14 PM
Sadly Cheltenham has passed me by this year..but I'm going to go e/w on Djakadam in the Gold Cup, as I heard Willie Mullins on the radio saying it might be his year - it's as scientific as that!
Ruby said something similar but then he is fully praise for Might Bite. It is an open race if Might Bite doesn't click
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leaveherinsir on March 16, 2018, 09:10:41 PM
Followed yer man John Duggan from Today FM tips. Finished £15 down over the week and I think I get a free £5 back in the next few days so cant really complain. Bit of craic with a few lads in work following it all week.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on March 16, 2018, 09:48:17 PM
Have gone through several newspapers seeing how the various "experts" worked out with their tips. They were all over the places. Horses tipped that gave no performance to justify the opinions. Big priced winners not even given a chance. It's very difficult for Joe Punter to pick out a winner when there are a number from the top stables in the one race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on March 16, 2018, 11:42:30 PM
With 17 Irish winners this week Id say we could get the best ever meet at Punchestown in 6 weeks. I'm definitely going there for for 2 days at least this year.

Highlight of the week. Presenting Percy or Laurina for me anyway.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 17, 2018, 01:58:15 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 16, 2018, 09:48:17 PM
Have gone through several newspapers seeing how the various "experts" worked out with their tips. They were all over the places. Horses tipped that gave no performance to justify the opinions. Big priced winners not even given a chance. It's very difficult for Joe Punter to pick out a winner when there are a number from the top stables in the one race.

Racing Post collate the tips from national newspapers, along with own experts, each day. If you leave out the Gold Cup today, they got 4 from 84 tips. Leave out Laurina yesterday and they got 5 from 90.

Cheltenham is a bruiser.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hardy on March 17, 2018, 11:13:41 AM
Quote from: bannside on March 16, 2018, 11:42:30 PM
With 17 Irish winners this week Id say we could get the best ever meet at Punchestown in 6 weeks. I'm definitely going there for for 2 days at least this year.

Highlight of the week. Presenting Percy or Laurina for me anyway.

Cheltenham winners often don't perform well at Punchestown - hard to keep them at the peak they've been brought to for Cheltenham. Can make Punchestown a bit of a betting lottery.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 18, 2018, 12:42:28 PM
It's no wonder that the number of horses in training and licensed trainers are dropping when you see the dominance of Mullins and Elliott at Cheltenham. Give it a few years and Joseph O'Brien's operation will be up there with them.

Disappointment of the week was the failure of Douvan to complete. He looked a million dollars up close in the ring beforehand and had that field flat out down the back. Maybe the lack of a run would have cost him with a clear round but it would have been nice to find out. He's not the first top class chaser to be caught out by that fence (Moscow Flyer springs to mind) and hopefully they can keep him sound for Punchestown.

The dilution of the festival has undoubtedly damaged the event. The small fields in some of the races should be a warning for the loons who want 5 days, a Saturday Gold Cup, a Ryanair Hurdle, a mares chase, mares bumper, veterans chase etc. How interesting would it have been to see Laurina in the Supreme Novices or Benie Des Dieux in the Ryanair. The Close Brothers, Fred Winter and Martin Pipe are poor handicaps that wouldn't be worth a second glance on an average Saturday. Those races have no place at a Cheltenham Festival.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on March 31, 2018, 03:00:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 10, 2018, 10:12:40 AM
Interesting little race at Dundalk last night. Mendelssohn now heading for Dubai with a view to having a tilt at the Kentucky Derby.

Dotted up by 18 lengths setting a new track record in the process. Deeply impressive.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 31, 2018, 09:17:44 PM
Interesting to see how it performs in kentucky. No european horse has ever won the famous race.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on April 02, 2018, 09:12:47 AM
Grade 1 (4.30pm) at Fairyhouse yesterday with nine runners: five of them Mullins and the other four Elliott. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 02, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on April 02, 2018, 09:12:47 AM
Grade 1 (4.30pm) at Fairyhouse yesterday with nine runners: five of them Mullins and the other four Elliott. Ridiculous.
It is putting a lot of the shop punters off. How many times have we seen Mullins/Eliott favourites turned over by outsiders from the same stable? I was a reluctant backer of Irish based jump stables anyway but really gone off them this season. At least on the flat Bolger Weld etc are not overwhelmed by O Brien.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on April 02, 2018, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 02, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on April 02, 2018, 09:12:47 AM
Grade 1 (4.30pm) at Fairyhouse yesterday with nine runners: five of them Mullins and the other four Elliott. Ridiculous.
It is putting a lot of the shop punters off. How many times have we seen Mulluns/Eliott favourites turned over by outsiders from the same stable? I was a reluctant backer of Irish based jump stables anyway but really gone off them this season. At least on the flat Bolger Weld etc are not overwhelmed by O Brien.

Why don't punters speculate on the outsiders then?

At least they aren't dominating the Irish national today 😂
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2018, 03:59:35 PM
The national is going to take some getting in that ground. Cant see too many finishers.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 02, 2018, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on April 02, 2018, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 02, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on April 02, 2018, 09:12:47 AM
Grade 1 (4.30pm) at Fairyhouse yesterday with nine runners: five of them Mullins and the other four Elliott. Ridiculous.
It is putting a lot of the shop punters off. How many times have we seen Mulluns/Eliott favourites turned over by outsiders from the same stable? I was a reluctant backer of Irish based jump stables anyway but really gone off them this season. At least on the flat Bolger Weld etc are not overwhelmed by O Brien.

Why don't punters speculate on the outsiders then?

At least they aren't dominating the Irish national today 😂

Punters will follow what form leads them to believe is the form horse. There could be three or four outsiders from the one stable in some races
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on April 02, 2018, 06:12:12 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 02, 2018, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on April 02, 2018, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 02, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on April 02, 2018, 09:12:47 AM
Grade 1 (4.30pm) at Fairyhouse yesterday with nine runners: five of them Mullins and the other four Elliott. Ridiculous.
It is putting a lot of the shop punters off. How many times have we seen Mulluns/Eliott favourites turned over by outsiders from the same stable? I was a reluctant backer of Irish based jump stables anyway but really gone off them this season. At least on the flat Bolger Weld etc are not overwhelmed by O Brien.

Why don't punters speculate on the outsiders then?

At least they aren't dominating the Irish national today 😂

Punters will follow what form leads them to believe is the form horse. There could be three or four outsiders from the one stable in some races

As a General Principle it always pays to have one eye on the outsiders whenever Elliott, Mullins and O'Brien have multiple runners.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 02, 2018, 06:59:11 PM
13 runners from 30 for one trainer .

High end NH racing is gone to be a f**king joke..... a monopoly of elliott and willie.

Mallow much more entertaining today for the normal man in street
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 02, 2018, 07:10:24 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 02, 2018, 06:59:11 PM
13 runners from 30 for one trainer .

High end NH racing is gone to be a f**king joke..... a monopoly of elliott and willie.

Mallow much more entertaining today for the normal man in street
Indeed. Handy little winner there today for Adrian Maguire and son Finian.

Mallow will always be Mallow not Cork racecourse and the Junction will always be the Junction and not Tipperary
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 02, 2018, 07:15:26 PM
Adrian had one placed also.....a great horseman like his brother in law but an awful battle to survive

Elite NH is gone like the flat classics
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 02, 2018, 08:23:45 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 02, 2018, 07:15:26 PM
Adrian had one placed also.....a great horseman like his brother in law but an awful battle to survive

Elite NH is gone like the flat classics
There may be some chance when the economy is picking up and small trainers can make a bit from point to points and maybe selling on some animal with potential but if things go down paying training fees will be well down people's priority
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Any picks? Went for I just know

Looking an each way one on Shantou flyer
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on April 14, 2018, 05:55:43 PM
Had a fiver on tiger roll, simply because of davy russell, he's some man for one man. Another couple of strides and davy mullins would've had it, some finish.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2018, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 14, 2018, 05:55:43 PM
Had a fiver on tiger roll, simply because of davy russell, he's some man for one man. Another couple of strides and davy mullins would've had it, some finish.

Mad horse! 16 hands only, smallest horse ever to win?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: playwiththewind1st on April 14, 2018, 07:43:30 PM
Mrs Playwiththewind drew Tiger Roll in her office sweep. Put a tenner on it at lunchtime  for her. Collected the winnings....she gave me my  tenner back. That's  a hard lesson learned.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on April 14, 2018, 07:43:30 PM
Mrs Playwiththewind drew Tiger Roll in her office sweep. Put a tenner on it at lunchtime  for her. Collected the winnings....she gave me my  tenner back. That's  a hard lesson learned.

Shafted!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on April 23, 2018, 04:57:59 PM
Punchestown should be a bit of craic. Be good to see how Sharjah goes in the Novice hurdle at a big price and finally gets decent ground, i'd say he's going to run a nice race.
Joeys 2 in the handicap hurdle HousesofParliament and Ivanovic Gorbatov i think are handicapped on bad ground form at this stage and could also run nice on the ground if it is as good as i hear it could be.
The Champion chase is a deadly race, don't think i could have a bet at all just sit back and enjoy  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on April 24, 2018, 08:48:19 PM
what the hell was paul townend thinking? crazy finish.

https://youtu.be/L-4Gu38Mi6U
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 24, 2018, 09:25:39 PM
Any explanation for this yet? Crazy stuff
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 24, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
Second race situation becoming very prevalent. Mullinsfavourite 11/10 beaten 20 lengthy Mullins outsider. Other race Mullins and Elliott had six runners each. Both great trainers but puntersbeing turned off
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Therealdonald on April 24, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 24, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
Second race situation becoming very prevalent. Mullinsfavourite 11/10 beaten 20 lengthy Mullins outsider. Other race Mullins and Elliott had six runners each. Both great trainers but puntersbeing turned off

There was a difference in 500 in attendance which can be attributed to the weather. Unless you've another stat to back up the fact that punters are being turned off? Everyone goes to see a horse win, whether it was a 20/1 outsider or not, maybe Draconien just had his day today. What a load of dung about trainers, Dublin are dominating GAA, is the All Ireland Final attendance down???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on April 25, 2018, 07:31:11 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 24, 2018, 09:25:39 PM
Any explanation for this yet? Crazy stuff

Stewards Report:

"Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the stewards were of the opinion that P. Townend was in breach of rule 214 in that he had ridden dangerously and, having considered his record in this regard, the stewards suspended him for 21 racedays and ordered that he forfeit his riding fee."

Can't find any comment yet from Townend or Mullins
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on April 25, 2018, 07:40:48 AM
TV reports that he said he thought he was being redirected past the fence😩
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on April 25, 2018, 07:49:17 AM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on April 25, 2018, 07:40:48 AM
TV reports that he said he thought he was being redirected past the fence😩
Clearly he decided to skip the fence. The question is what made him suddenly think that? Was it lads on the side of the course shouting, was it another jockey shouting, was it the small red flag on the fence (which is always there apparently) or was it something that just popped into his head?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on April 25, 2018, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 25, 2018, 07:49:17 AM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on April 25, 2018, 07:40:48 AM
TV reports that he said he thought he was being redirected past the fence😩
Clearly he decided to skip the fence. The question is what made him suddenly think that? Was it lads on the side of the course shouting, was it another jockey shouting, was it the small red flag on the fence (which is always there apparently) or was it something that just popped into his head?

If you watch the replay he he glances over his shoulder and it looks like the 2 horses behind him are veering to the right so perhaps he thought they were going around it as well
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 25, 2018, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 24, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 24, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
Second race situation becoming very prevalent. Mullinsfavourite 11/10 beaten 20 lengthy Mullins outsider. Other race Mullins and Elliott had six runners each. Both great trainers but puntersbeing turned off

There was a difference in 500 in attendance which can be attributed to the weather. Unless you've another stat to back up the fact that punters are being turned off? Everyone goes to see a horse win, whether it was a 20/1 outsider or not, maybe Draconien just had his day today. What a load of dung about trainers, Dublin are dominating GAA, is the All Ireland Final attendance down???
Punchestown will always get the crowd. Go to the meetings in Roscommon  Wexford and see what turns up and the age profile.
A situation where two thirds of horses in a race come from just two stables is a bad reflection on the industry
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 25, 2018, 12:37:18 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 24, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 24, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
Second race situation becoming very prevalent. Mullinsfavourite 11/10 beaten 20 lengthy Mullins outsider. Other race Mullins and Elliott had six runners each. Both great trainers but puntersbeing turned off

There was a difference in 500 in attendance which can be attributed to the weather. Unless you've another stat to back up the fact that punters are being turned off? Everyone goes to see a horse win, whether it was a 20/1 outsider or not, maybe Draconien just had his day today. What a load of dung about trainers, Dublin are dominating GAA, is the All Ireland Final attendance down???

the load of dung is from you............

how many high profile trainers have retired in recent years. The industry is at the behest of a mercenary capitalist airline owner and a international currency dealer now......... if you think 2 trainers dominating the sport is healthy you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Go to a normal meeting and see whats happening, the ring is dead, 50 is young, no bookies, there are more attending point to point meetings than some race meetings nowadays
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 25, 2018, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 25, 2018, 12:37:18 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 24, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 24, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
Second race situation becoming very prevalent. Mullinsfavourite 11/10 beaten 20 lengthy Mullins outsider. Other race Mullins and Elliott had six runners each. Both great trainers but puntersbeing turned off

There was a difference in 500 in attendance which can be attributed to the weather. Unless you've another stat to back up the fact that punters are being turned off? Everyone goes to see a horse win, whether it was a 20/1 outsider or not, maybe Draconien just had his day today. What a load of dung about trainers, Dublin are dominating GAA, is the All Ireland Final attendance down???

the load of dung is from you............

how many high profile trainers have retired in recent years. The industry is at the behest of a mercenary capitalist airline owner and a international currency dealer now......... if you think 2 trainers dominating the sport is healthy you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Go to a normal meeting and see whats happening, the ring is dead, 50 is young, no bookies, there are more attending point to point meetings than some race meetings nowadays

Spot on. I don't know if racing is attractive to young people anymore. Leopardstown is pushing the Bulmer Summer evening meetings which gets a young enough crowd but then they spend more time drinking than watching the horses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Therealdonald on April 25, 2018, 04:50:22 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 25, 2018, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 25, 2018, 12:37:18 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 24, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 24, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
Second race situation becoming very prevalent. Mullinsfavourite 11/10 beaten 20 lengthy Mullins outsider. Other race Mullins and Elliott had six runners each. Both great trainers but puntersbeing turned off

There was a difference in 500 in attendance which can be attributed to the weather. Unless you've another stat to back up the fact that punters are being turned off? Everyone goes to see a horse win, whether it was a 20/1 outsider or not, maybe Draconien just had his day today. What a load of dung about trainers, Dublin are dominating GAA, is the All Ireland Final attendance down???

the load of dung is from you............

how many high profile trainers have retired in recent years. The industry is at the behest of a mercenary capitalist airline owner and a international currency dealer now......... if you think 2 trainers dominating the sport is healthy you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Go to a normal meeting and see whats happening, the ring is dead, 50 is young, no bookies, there are more attending point to point meetings than some race meetings nowadays

Spot on. I don't know if racing is attractive to young people anymore. Leopardstown is pushing the Bulmer Summer evening meetings which gets a young enough crowd but then they spend more time drinking than watching the horses

Boys quit complaining, they were saying the same thing in England 10 years ago Nicholls and look where he's at now. Do you go to watch the racing or do the owners annoy you? Formula 1 was dominated by McClaren and Ferrari for years? Did it lose numbers? It is attractive to young people, look at the numbers for Cheltenham, Aintree, Fairyhouse. Don't use smaller meetings as a barometer for interest. Will we judge this years interest in the GAA on the FBD or McKenna Cup attendances.

Some men just want to see the world burn.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 25, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
Nicholls never dominated like the current monopoly.

He went back to the pack because of a number of reasons not least his own ignorance, his inability not to shag most women in the yard,  and a group of obnoxious owners  like Clive smith.

NH Racing has never been dominated by so few to the exclusion of so many. check out the Irish national for gigginstown, elliott and Mullins as example

I made a good living for many years in the game and its on it's on its f**king knees now whether you accept it or not

You seem the sort to say f**k the club it's all about Sam in September
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Therealdonald on April 25, 2018, 11:00:54 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 25, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
Nicholls never dominated like the current monopoly.

He went back to the pack because of a number of reasons not least his own ignorance, his inability not to shag most women in the yard,  and a group of obnoxious owners  like Clive smith.

NH Racing has never been dominated by so few to the exclusion of so many. check out the Irish national for gigginstown, elliott and Mullins as example

I made a good living for many years in the game and its on it's on its f**king knees now whether you accept it or not

You seem the sort to say f**k the club it's all about Sam in September

Let me tell you Orchard that I can safely say that during the last 15 years or more I've done as much for the club as any other volunteer...even though it has no relevance to the argument.

Nicholls dominated both the QM and the GC for a period of 3 years, not forgetting farming the World Hurdle.

Just to clarify, you don't like O'Leary, or Rich Ricci or McManus or Clive Smith? Have you a chip on your shoulder about successful owners?

I'm going to use Samcro as an example-  did Gigginstown breed, break in etc him? Or was he bred, bought and reared somewhere else? If you want to compete with the big boys then don't sell your star stock to them. Its simple.

Instead of moaning and crying, why not embrace the success that is happening at the moment. Messrs Elliot, Mullins and O'Brien's success should be lauded instead of this nonsense about killing the game.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 25, 2018, 11:34:16 PM
No Chip on my shoulder  at all.....  Ricci is a really good card as his his racing  brains Joe Chambers , I know JP since cheltenham 1978 and to his credit he is keeping a lot of small stables afloat,  gentleman to the tips of his goes but owning 10% of the nh horses  in the country isnt healthy no matter how altruistic he is. Eddie o'leary is a stereotypical clongowes lad spending family money and Clive Smith is history

But  winning champion chases and gold cups in  the golden years for Nicholls doesn't equate to the lobsided nature of runners in  the Irish grand national....look at the stayers hurdle in punchestown 5 mullins runners

Have a look at the trainers championship prize money table
The top 2 have won more than the next 18 combined.....

A good friend trained the winner of the mares bumper in aintree, the owner is his stable lad , he turned down a fortune for her from all the main Irish dominates and thankfully his balls / stupidity was rewarded. To me it was a much more enjoyable spectacle and much more important to the long term  future of irish nh racing than Ryanair winning a grand national and standing a drink to the plane load for free advertising .

Ps the breeder of samcro is a multimillionaire already Douglas Taylor who didn't need to sell but everything has a price......

I despair that anyone thinks the industry is healthy . It is for max 4 weeks a year but try standing any other week in the ring and you are at a wake....

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 26, 2018, 07:19:03 AM
It is not healthy. Small trainers can only  hope they pick up prospect on the point to point scene and sell on. Charlie Swan gave up the training as well as lesser known names. Hard to see where the next Tom Foley and Danoli story will come from
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 26, 2018, 02:36:03 PM
today Willie has 30 runners and Gordon has 15 runners........... 45 out of a total of 127 runners over 1/3

in any other business and this is a business as much as a sport that would be monopolies commission territory............. It has never before been so lobsided in the history of the sport even when Tom Dreaper and Vincent O'Brien were at their peaks. Tom Dreaper i would venture never had more than 30 horses in his yard total but less able to run that amount in a single day.

but there is nothing wrong, the holly drinkers will show up today and this week and everyone smiles til galway
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 26, 2018, 09:48:24 PM
Will samcro win tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ardchieftain on April 26, 2018, 09:54:47 PM
Can't see Samcro beating Melon over 2 miles.

Footpad has now become my favourite horse in training, enjoyed watching that today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on April 26, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Great to see faugheen back in the winners enclosure, footpad won with ease, 2 great horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 27, 2018, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 26, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Great to see faugheen back in the winners enclosure, footpad won with ease, 2 great horses.

really is and he absolutley hacked in. i suppose up until he won ther ballymore / sun alliance hurdle he was viewed as an out and out stayer.

looks like he is going to be an 11 year old novice chaser next year. a wonderful freak of a horse
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
It's fair to say Germany was a seriously underappreciated national hunt sire when he was around.

Faugheen, Captain Cee Bee, Samcro, Conna Castle, Tiger Cry is a fine list of progeny for a sire who only covered a tiny book each year.

Stood for €3k in 2013 the year he died. I should have sent a few mares his way.  :-\
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on April 27, 2018, 04:13:30 PM
Saw a statistic that said of the near €2 million prize money on offer over first 3 days at Punchestown, Willie Mullins has won €1.25 million, with 12 winners, 12 different owners and 8 different jockeys

Amazing achievement 😎
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 27, 2018, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
It's fair to say Germany was a seriously underappreciated national hunt sire when he was around.

Faugheen, Captain Cee Bee, Samcro, Conna Castle, Tiger Cry is a fine list of progeny for a sire who only covered a tiny book each year.

Stood for €3k in 2013 the year he died. I should have sent a few mares his way.  :-\

He was virtually infertile hence the low numbers, its incredible what hevhas sired from generally moderate naremares
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 27, 2018, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
It's fair to say Germany was a seriously underappreciated national hunt sire when he was around.

Faugheen, Captain Cee Bee, Samcro, Conna Castle, Tiger Cry is a fine list of progeny for a sire who only covered a tiny book each year.

Stood for €3k in 2013 the year he died. I should have sent a few mares his way.  :-\

He was virtually infertile hence the low numbers, its incredible what hevhas sired from generally moderate naremares

I'd a few moderate ones I could have sent his way. Unfortunately I sent them to even more moderate stallions!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2018, 08:16:45 PM
Nice ending for Katie Walsh. Great career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EuwkgDI50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EuwkgDI50)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 27, 2018, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 27, 2018, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
It's fair to say Germany was a seriously underappreciated national hunt sire when he was around.

Faugheen, Captain Cee Bee, Samcro, Conna Castle, Tiger Cry is a fine list of progeny for a sire who only covered a tiny book each year.

Stood for €3k in 2013 the year he died. I should have sent a few mares his way.  :-\

He was virtually infertile hence the low numbers, its incredible what hevhas sired from generally moderate naremares

I'd a few moderate ones I could have sent his way. Unfortunately I sent them to even more moderate stallions!

Can relate to that............. back in my sheep farming days I can still hear my father preaching the ram is  half the flock
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Orchard park on April 27, 2018, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 27, 2018, 08:16:45 PM
Nice ending for Katie Walsh. Great career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EuwkgDI50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EuwkgDI50)

A  top class jockey and lucky enough t to  be able to get out on her own terms
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Boycey on April 28, 2018, 04:09:59 PM
Nina follows Katie out the door also with a winner, a pair of diamonds they were...



https://twitter.com/rteracing/status/990231596065161217?s=21
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 28, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
We still have Rachel Blackmore. Lots of the lads made a good bit on her winning on Callthebarman in Huntingdon on the Wednesday of Cheltenham.
Nina and Katie were fearless
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 28, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
Delighted for nina and katie. 2 absolute heroes. Great they ended careers on high note as it can be a cruel cruel game
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 01, 2018, 05:45:20 PM
Mendelssohn drawn in 14. Not ideal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Avondhu star on May 06, 2018, 04:54:58 PM
Mendelssohn made no show at all. Connections must be very disappointed.

Any thoughts on the Fourth in the Guineas First in the Derby saying?
Elarqam needs a bit more distance according to Mark Johnson. 25/1 for Epsom
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on May 06, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on May 06, 2018, 04:54:58 PM
Mendelssohn made no show at all. Connections must be very disappointed.

Any thoughts on the Fourth in the Guineas First in the Derby saying?
Elarqam needs a bit more distance according to Mark Johnson. 25/1 for Epsom

Going officially "muck and clabber"
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 01, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
Had forgotten about this - Apart from terrestrial coverage, From today Irish Racing only available on pay tv - Racing UK in the UK. Whats the story in ROI? Same?

Sad day, dubious benefits of immediate cash injection V longer term poorer exposure for the product.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on January 02, 2019, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 01, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
Had forgotten about this - Apart from terrestrial coverage, From today Irish Racing only available on pay tv - Racing UK in the UK. Whats the story in ROI? Same?

Sad day, dubious benefits of immediate cash injection V longer term poorer exposure for the product.
Racing UK rebranded as Racing TV.

Before the Attheraces deal, there was no coverage of Irish racing, bar the very odd big meeting covered on terrestrial, which I presume will continue.

Most of the pubs down south that are racing pubs already have Racing TV and for online punters they can get races online if they placed a bet, so overall this may have very little impact
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 03, 2019, 03:50:58 AM
RTE have agreed to increase their racing coverage recently. They showed the Hattons Grace at Fairyhouse last month for the first time in years and are showing the Thyestes in a few weeks.

The only positive outcome of the RUK deal for the ordinary viewer was HD output although that now is a moot point because Sky Sports are broadcasting the old ATR in HD. On days when there are multiple meetings Irish racing will not be prioritised like it was on ATR. ATR had none of the premier English tracks so it was only natural that they gave Irish racing their full attention. RUK do not have that luxury with the number of tracks they possess and our meetings will be shunted onto their online platform on big days - the last at Tramore on Tuesday was not broadcast live.

The Morgiana at Punchestown will clash with the Open Meeting at Cheltenham. Stephen's Day at Leopardstown and Limerick with Kempton. The Irish Champion Hurdle with the Scilly Isles at Sandown. The Ballysax at Leopardstown frequently clashes with the Aintree National. The Punchestown Festival will often clash with the Whitbred at Sandown and some years with the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket. Galway will clash with Goodwood etc. Irish punters will lose out on those days.

For the wider industry, this deal is not as significant as it seems at the moment. The money keeping our rural tracks afloat is from the pictures being supplied to betting shops across the UK and at home. However a large percentage of shops are probably facing an uncertain future with the restrictions on FOBTs in the UK and here with the doubling of betting tax from this month. If that income stream dries up, there will be plenty of tracks in trouble.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on January 21, 2019, 08:23:18 AM
Settle an argument for me please

I do a £20 bet online for a mate and it loses. No money changes hands. He does a £20 bet for me and it wins at 9/4 and no money changes hands. How much does he owe me. This caused some debate in the pub yesterday ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 21, 2019, 09:05:44 AM
£45 imo
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 21, 2019, 09:05:59 AM
Quote from: maddog on January 21, 2019, 08:23:18 AM
Settle an argument for me please

I do a £20 bet online for a mate and it loses. No money changes hands. He does a £20 bet for me and it wins at 9/4 and no money changes hands. How much does he owe me. This caused some debate in the pub yesterday ;D

He owes you £45...The bet pays £65 less the £20 you didn't give him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 21, 2019, 09:18:19 AM
Quote from: illdecide on January 21, 2019, 09:05:59 AM
Quote from: maddog on January 21, 2019, 08:23:18 AM
Settle an argument for me please

I do a £20 bet online for a mate and it loses. No money changes hands. He does a £20 bet for me and it wins at 9/4 and no money changes hands. How much does he owe me. This caused some debate in the pub yesterday ;D

He owes you £45...The bet pays £65 less the £20 you didn't give him

What about the £20 the mate never gave? Surely it's the £65.

The two £20 bets cancel each other out. The bet paid back £65 (including the stake) so that's what should be paid across. Other wise the mate got a free £20 bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: haranguerer on January 21, 2019, 09:23:35 AM
It is £65

The £20 which ended up being staked is yours maddog, as he owed you it, so the full proceeds are yours.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 21, 2019, 12:38:02 PM
Lets break it down...you owe your mate £20 for the bet you done with him and lost...Correct?
Your mate owes you £65 for the £20 bet you done with him which won...Correct?

So why don't both of you pay each other up and see how you fare out and I believe you will end up with £45 after everything is paid out...No/Yes?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on January 21, 2019, 01:13:36 PM
£65. You done a £20 bet for him which paid 0 and he done a 20 bet for you which pays 65. Simple.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on January 21, 2019, 01:22:18 PM
Let it go Maddog. Those £20's worth of pints went down lovely.  :D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 21, 2019, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 21, 2019, 12:38:02 PM
Lets break it down...you owe your mate £20 for the bet you done with him and lost...Correct?
Your mate owes you £65 for the £20 bet you done with him which won...Correct?

So why don't both of you pay each other up and see how you fare out and I believe you will end up with £45 after everything is paid out...No/Yes?
No, he will end up with 45 profit in total. The friend still needs to give him 65.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on January 21, 2019, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 21, 2019, 12:38:02 PM
Lets break it down...you owe your mate £20 for the bet you done with him and lost...Correct?
Your mate owes you £65 for the £20 bet you done with him which won...Correct?

So why don't both of you pay each other up and see how you fare out and I believe you will end up with £45 after everything is paid out...No/Yes?
Completely arseways!

Bet 1: Mate owes maddog £20
Best 2: Mate owes maddog £45
Total: Mate owes maddog £65
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on January 21, 2019, 01:54:30 PM
Yip, having thought it thru better you're owed £65...dunno what i was thinking :-[
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on January 21, 2019, 01:58:22 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on January 21, 2019, 01:22:18 PM
Let it go Maddog. Those £20's worth of pints went down lovely.  :D

yeah somehow you always come up smelling of roses. ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on January 21, 2019, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: maddog on January 21, 2019, 01:58:22 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on January 21, 2019, 01:22:18 PM
Let it go Maddog. Those £20's worth of pints went down lovely.  :D

yeah somehow you always come up smelling of roses. ;D

Loughlynn caught me there
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ziggy90 on January 21, 2019, 05:08:38 PM
Quote from: maddog on January 21, 2019, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: maddog on January 21, 2019, 01:58:22 PM

Quote from: ziggy90 on January 21, 2019, 01:22:18 PM
Let it go Maddog. Those £20's worth of pints went down lovely.  :D

yeah somehow you always come up smelling of roses. ;D

Loughlynn caught me there

Has your Brother been gambling on the road bowls lately?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 11, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Cheltenham tomorrow. Any thoughts or opinions on any of the Irish nags coming over ?

Only ante post bet i have is Un De Sceaux in Ryanair chase. Think Apples Jade will win the champion hurdle.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on March 11, 2019, 01:09:58 PM
Meticulous in champion bumper was 50/1....now 8/1......now 6/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 11, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 11, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Cheltenham tomorrow. Any thoughts or opinions on any of the Irish nags coming over ?

Only ante post bet i have is Un De Sceaux in Ryanair chase. Think Apples Jade will win the champion hurdle.

Having a hefty bet on Laurina in that race. Superb beast
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 11, 2019, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 11, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 11, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Cheltenham tomorrow. Any thoughts or opinions on any of the Irish nags coming over ?

Only ante post bet i have is Un De Sceaux in Ryanair chase. Think Apples Jade will win the champion hurdle.

Having a hefty bet on Laurina in that race. Superb beast
I fancy Buveur D'Air to beat both the girls easily! But feck all value in any of them. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 11, 2019, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 11, 2019, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 11, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 11, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Cheltenham tomorrow. Any thoughts or opinions on any of the Irish nags coming over ?

Only ante post bet i have is Un De Sceaux in Ryanair chase. Think Apples Jade will win the champion hurdle.

Having a hefty bet on Laurina in that race. Superb beast
I fancy Buveur D'Air to beat both the girls easily! But feck all value in any of them.

Correct - value is poor.
Hopefully Betfair should have better price win only
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 11, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Like the look of Lalor in the Arkle. Won around Cheltenham earlier in season and jumped superb. Ran a lot flatter on next run at Sandown but that is going right handed so wisely or unwisely choosing to ignore that run
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: leenie on March 11, 2019, 09:50:43 PM
Galvin ... Wednesday racecard .. Davy rusell on her has went in from 40-1 to 25-1

U heard it here first
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2019, 02:51:20 PM
This starter is some p***k!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tatler Jack on March 12, 2019, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 11, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 11, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Cheltenham tomorrow. Any thoughts or opinions on any of the Irish nags coming over ?

Only ante post bet i have is Un De Sceaux in Ryanair chase. Think Apples Jade will win the champion hurdle.

Having a hefty bet on Laurina in that race. Superb beast

You cost me money there😜
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 12, 2019, 03:39:37 PM
Punter getting rid right up the hole. No lube.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 12, 2019, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on March 12, 2019, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 11, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 11, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Cheltenham tomorrow. Any thoughts or opinions on any of the Irish nags coming over ?

Only ante post bet i have is Un De Sceaux in Ryanair chase. Think Apples Jade will win the champion hurdle.

Having a hefty bet on Laurina in that race. Superb beast

You cost me money there😜

And cost myself as well.
Was there to be won but just not good enough up the hill.

Few of Cromwell's team will be happy down in Navan
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
Ah - the week every gobshite pretends they know somethnig about horse racing.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 12, 2019, 04:11:41 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
Ah - the week every gobshite pretends they know somethnig about horse racing.

Unlike the gobshites who pretend they know something about everything
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Boycey on March 12, 2019, 04:16:58 PM
Annie Power all over again...

PaddyPowers earlier SnatChat will become well scrutinised  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on March 12, 2019, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: Boycey on March 12, 2019, 04:16:58 PM
Annie Power all over again...

PaddyPowers earlier SnatChat will become well scrutinised  ;D

Bonus cheque on its way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 12, 2019, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 12, 2019, 03:39:37 PM
Punter getting rid right up the hole. No lube.

100% right there.

Ruby working for PP will get some noise yet again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 13, 2019, 01:00:43 PM
Ruby gets some shit, some warranted but anyone thinks he did that on purpose needs to stop following racing imo.

todays donkeys

battleoverdoyen 9/2
Delta works 5/2
Canardier 18/1
band of outlaws 5/1

ew lucky
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2019, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 13, 2019, 01:00:43 PM
Ruby gets some shit, some warranted but anyone thinks he did that on purpose needs to stop following racing imo.

todays donkeys

battleoverdoyen 9/2
Delta works 5/2
Canardier 18/1
band of outlaws 5/1

ew lucky

Not much fecking luck about!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2019, 01:47:32 PM
my donkeys for today are:

Delta Work
Tiger Roll
Altior
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2019, 01:47:32 PM
my donkeys for today are:

Delta Work
Tiger Roll
Altior

Me too . . . not looking likely the way things have gone so far!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on March 13, 2019, 01:55:30 PM
McCoy not mixing his words 👍
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2019, 02:18:22 PM
I'm giving up!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2019, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2019, 02:18:22 PM
I'm giving up!

Was cruising until the last!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2019, 03:35:51 PM
Such an impressive horse that was class!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 14, 2019, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2019, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 13, 2019, 01:00:43 PM
Ruby gets some shit, some warranted but anyone thinks he did that on purpose needs to stop following racing imo.

todays donkeys

battleoverdoyen 9/2
Delta works 5/2
Canardier 18/1
band of outlaws 5/1

ew lucky

Not much fecking luck about!!!

18/1 place and last one a winner, doubled my doh, gives me a go at it tomorrow, tough going though. That tiger roll is some beast, if it wins the national at top weight it will have to go down as one of the greatest. Some crazies on twitter talking about the Gold Cup next year
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 14, 2019, 08:38:12 AM
The painful anal examination of the punter continued yesterday.

Hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2019, 01:21:35 PM
My ew donkeys today

Faugheen
Footpad
Defi du seuil
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Boycey on March 15, 2019, 01:06:51 PM
Anyone want a 150/1 tip  ;D

Gavin Cromwell has a horse in the 2.10 today Brex Drago (topical name) his only other runner of the week won the Champion Hurdle, I spotted it this morning and went into Boylesports to put a few quid on hoping it'd run into a place. I was expecting 50/1 or so but got on at 150/1. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2019, 01:21:14 PM
My donkeys today are:

Sir Erec
Presenting Percy
Whiskey sour.

That will be me off horses till the National, thank f**k
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 15, 2019, 01:49:16 PM
Sir Erec... Very sad
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Boycey on March 15, 2019, 01:52:49 PM
Tremendously disappointing to see any horse coming to grief like that but especially one with potential like that. Racing is a cruel game.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2019, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Boycey on March 15, 2019, 01:52:49 PM
Tremendously disappointing to see any horse coming to grief like that but especially one with potential like that. Racing is a cruel game.

My stomach sank watching that, with the shoe being put on live and the horse was a calm as I've ever seen a horse be at the start, it had the makings of being a great race and a great story had he won!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 15, 2019, 02:27:29 PM
A nasty one that. Very sad. Was that a freak incident or does it relate to the previous injury scare?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: general on March 15, 2019, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Boycey on March 15, 2019, 01:06:51 PM
Anyone want a 150/1 tip  ;D

Gavin Cromwell has a horse in the 2.10 today Brex Drago (topical name) his only other runner of the week won the Champion Hurdle, I spotted it this morning and went into Boylesports to put a few quid on hoping it'd run into a place. I was expecting 50/1 or so but got on at 150/1.

Boycey, you dont know how close I was to running to the bookies for a score each way  ;D ;D ;D Fecking glad i didnt rush myself i tell ya. 12th lol!!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Tatler Jack on April 06, 2019, 03:32:09 PM
Any tips for the National? Hard to oppose Tiger Roll I suppose.  Might put a few quid e.w. on Lake View Lad.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2019, 03:56:12 PM
Jury duty and Rock the Kasbah are my e/w picks
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 06, 2019, 05:28:20 PM
I fancy Tiger Roll.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on April 06, 2019, 05:33:25 PM
Davy Russell....pure class👍👍
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2019, 05:34:46 PM
Won that handy! If prepared well again he'd win that again
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 06, 2019, 05:51:40 PM
I had 20 quid on Tiger Roll last year at 10/1, was tempted again but the odds too short. Went for Walk the line instead and won a little on a each way bet.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: playwiththewind1st on April 06, 2019, 06:05:01 PM
Tenner on the nose with Tiger Roll last year & thought the same. So covered myself with a fiver each way this year on it, plus a fiver each way on Rathvinden, so couple of quid up.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on April 06, 2019, 07:32:20 PM
Had Tiger Roll in a few doubles that the other side let me down on hut got a sneaky tenner on him & 5/1 so I'm safe enough.

Serious animal just a class apart his performance at Cheltenham was just superb and then had enough again today winning at top weight. Legendary status now alongside Red Rum!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 01, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
Ruby Walsh has announced his retirement.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on May 01, 2019, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 01, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
Ruby Walsh has announced his retirement.

Bookies will miss him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 01, 2019, 07:41:51 PM
The most complete national hunt jockey we are ever likely to see. His big race haul is unlikely to be surpassed for a long time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on May 05, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
https://www.ukracingresults.com

Winner of 14.10 at Gowan Park😩....at work😡
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: cadhlancian on May 06, 2019, 12:15:16 AM
Bizarre finish to the Kentucky Derby yesterday. First time they've ever changed the result I believe in 145 years....tough way to lose.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Geoff Tipps on May 14, 2019, 01:59:20 PM
Gigginstown to scale down operations over the next 4-5 years. Didn't see that coming.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2019, 06:18:35 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on May 14, 2019, 01:59:20 PM
Gigginstown to scale down operations over the next 4-5 years. Didn't see that coming.

A dark day for national hunt breeders across the country. The market for stores should normalise in the next few years. They have been going for insane money recently.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: joemamas on May 16, 2019, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2019, 06:18:35 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on May 14, 2019, 01:59:20 PM
Gigginstown to scale down operations over the next 4-5 years. Didn't see that coming.

A dark day for national hunt breeders across the country. The market for stores should normalise in the next few years. They have been going for insane money recently.

For the very casual racing fan, what are "stores"
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 16, 2019, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: joemamas on May 16, 2019, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2019, 06:18:35 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on May 14, 2019, 01:59:20 PM
Gigginstown to scale down operations over the next 4-5 years. Didn't see that coming.

A dark day for national hunt breeders across the country. The market for stores should normalise in the next few years. They have been going for insane money recently.

For the very casual racing fan, what are "stores"

A store is a horse bred specifically for jumping.

Eddie O'Leary tended to avoid buying horses who had been bred for or had ran previously on the flat. Tiger Roll ironically would be an exception to that. John Ferguson paid £70k for him as a foal for Godolphin but he never made the track and was sold to Nigel Hawke for £10k as a 3yo. He won a juvenile hurdle at Market Rasen on debut before moving to Elliott.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 01, 2019, 12:41:10 PM
 O'Brien doing a Gordon Elliot with number of runners in English derby. Any strong opinions out there?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on June 01, 2019, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 01, 2019, 12:41:10 PM
O'Brien doing a Gordon Elliot with number of runners in English derby. Any strong opinions out there?
Not a clue, but saw PP were going 7/1 for O'Brien 1-2-3, so put a tenner on that for interest.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on June 01, 2019, 04:02:44 PM
Gone for broome in end more in hope than expectation
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 20, 2019, 05:36:27 PM
What would a Frankie Dettori Yankee have paid out today?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 20, 2019, 05:46:16 PM
£1 yankee wouldve gotten just over £1k
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Square Ball on June 20, 2019, 10:17:13 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 20, 2019, 05:46:16 PM
£1 yankee wouldve gotten just over £1k

This morning on Bet 365 the quad alone was 1480/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 11:28:12 PM
Enough on the Virus, what tips are floating about for Cheltenham?

I'm going for Shishkin in the first!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: redcard on March 10, 2020, 01:20:05 AM
Sharjah in the champion hurdle. Willie to give Patrick a winner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WT4E on March 10, 2020, 11:47:58 AM
Donnellys Hollow always a good man to give some advice on Horseys - Any info?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 11:28:12 PM
Enough on the Virus, what tips are floating about for Cheltenham?

I'm going for Shishkin in the first!

Hopefully some of you went with my tip
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Targetman on March 10, 2020, 03:19:13 PM
Had it in a lucky 15, a nice win on Put the kettle on, going for Darver Star in the next
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 10, 2020, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Targetman on March 10, 2020, 03:19:13 PM
Had it in a lucky 15, a nice win on Put the kettle on, going for Darver Star in the next

Waiting on Carefully selected for a couple of doubles to make it a reasonable day... obviously I'm doomed to fail!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: illdecide on March 13, 2020, 03:13:50 PM
Fancy Delta Work for Gold Cup...

All the Horsie men must be gone from the Board...back in the day this thread would be red hot
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: macdanger2 on March 13, 2020, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 13, 2020, 03:13:50 PM
Fancy Delta Work for Gold Cup...

All the Horsie men must be gone from the Board...back in the day this thread would be red hot

On DW too, ew on monalee also. While it shouldn't have gone ahead, there have been some great races this week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: beer baron on July 28, 2020, 09:46:51 AM
Galway really loses its lustre without the crowds. In saying that I'll be having a little bet in magnetic north this evening  ;D
Anyone with a fancy for the plate or hurdle?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on July 28, 2020, 04:51:06 PM
Stradivarius never looked like winning that race until the very last some horse!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on October 01, 2020, 02:59:33 PM
Oisin Murphy tested positive for cocaine in France - test taken back in July 2019.

He was informed on August 19 that his 'A' sample had returned positive for metabolites of cocaine. He said he immediately arranged for an independent laboratory to undertake hair sampling to prove his innocence. The sample was taken on August 22 and the results of the test, carried out on small segments of his hair, returned a negative result for any trace of cocaine.

He's awaiting his fate now, but a 6 month ban seems to be the standard if found guilty.

Oisin maintains that not only had he not taken cocaine in July, but that he's never touched the stuff in his life!

Will be interesting to see what happens. Dettori famously tested positive back in 2012, but admitted the charge and served his 6 month suspension.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 01, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
Helps keep the weight off him is all.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on October 01, 2020, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 01, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
Helps keep the weight off him is all.
He did have an article in Sporting Life a couple of weeks ago, saying he put on a bit too much weight over lockdown, but luckily found it easy enough to shed.

He is vehement in his denials, so we'll see.

It is interesting that the 3 positive cocaine tests I'm aware of - Dettori, Havlin (like Murphy denied it, spent £100k on his defence, but ended up with an effective 8 month ban because the UK delayed imposing their ban) and Murphy were all taken in France, even though those riders were riding mostly in Britain.
I wonder is UK testing lax?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 01, 2020, 03:39:38 PM
Hmmm well the way it works is, he didn't test positive for Cocaine....Cocaine itself will flush out of the body in a day, maybe two/three depending on how much water you drink.

He tested positive for a metabolite, presumably Benzoylecgonine which will stay in your system that bit longer because of the acidity of it which would indicate that it was Cocaine he took with very little wriggle room to argue. How it got into his system without him knowing is another argument but he'll do well to get off with it.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on February 28, 2021, 12:51:30 PM
Gordon Elliott could be in some serious trouble if that photo is real (search Gordon Elliott on dead horse if you haven't seen it).

Could well be fake, and it was my first assumption.

He said on Twitter:

I'm aware of a photo in circulation on social media. The I.H.R.B. have been in contact with me regarding this photo and I will be cooperating fully with their investigation.

A little bit odd not to dismiss it as a fake if he knows it's fake.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on February 28, 2021, 01:06:47 PM
Releasing either original photo would clear it up fairly quickly. You'd like to think it's a fake.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: grounded on February 28, 2021, 07:13:13 PM
Super going by Hugh Morgan. He'd be sore the next day after that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QutUqbsDa8M



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: grounded on February 28, 2021, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 28, 2021, 01:06:47 PM
Releasing either original photo would clear it up fairly quickly. You'd like to think it's a fake.

Hopefully it is fake. I'm no expert at these things but it does look photoshopped. Surely someone who is into computer graphics could say almost immediately?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on February 28, 2021, 09:55:17 PM
By not flat out denying the picture in his statement, the picture is either genuine or Elliott is milking the publicity. If it is genuine then it could put his career in jeopardy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 01, 2021, 07:45:08 AM
He released a statement, true but...

https://twitter.com/gelliott_racing/status/1366171196367192064?s=09

Could be career ending in this day & age
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 01, 2021, 07:58:47 AM
'I was standing over the horse waiting to help with the removal of the body, in the course of which, to my memory I received a call and, without thinking, I sat down to take it. Hearing a shout from one of my team, I gestured to wait until I was finished.'

That's a poor enough excuse, but there could be no good excuse!

I'd imagine a fine and warning will be the punishment from the authorities. Be interesting to see if he loses any owners, or will it just blow over. Owners presumably very happy with him in general given the amount of winners he gets.

Be interesting if it comes out who released the photo. Someone with a grudge ...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 01, 2021, 08:11:57 AM
That was written by Dominic Cummings and his PR team id say..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 01, 2021, 09:12:05 AM
Someone obviously had an axe to grind and they released this pic. Am I right in thinking it's an old picture and not taken recently?

Unfortunately this is more fuel to the animal cruelty groups who are interesting in banning horse racing. I think the blood sports in the North could be on their last legs as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 01, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
Claims it's an old photo but who knows if that's true and don't think it's relevant in the grand scheme of things. Whether it was 4 days or 4 years ago it's still happened. Hard to know what consequences it will have with regards to owners in his yard. Think it will be 50/50. Some will be disgusted at his treatment of a dead animal and no longer have horses in his yard but there will be plenty desperate for their day in the sun at Cheltenham, Aintree etc... so will continue to use one of the best trainers in the business.

Incidentally there were a few videos going round of Gordon's sexual exploits going round at a lockdown party in his yard so god knows what else he's been getting up too..
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 01, 2021, 10:18:43 AM
Someone definitely has it in for Gordon.

The dead horse isnt the only thing circulating on social media. There's a video showing him in a packed bar having the craic (presumably during a Covid lockdown) and another with screenshots of text messages about him cheating on the daughter of a female trainer, resulting in fisticuffs between the two women! (No video of the latter! )



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on March 01, 2021, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on March 01, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
Claims it's an old photo but who knows if that's true and don't think it's relevant in the grand scheme of things. Whether it was 4 days or 4 years ago it's still happened. Hard to know what consequences it will have with regards to owners in his yard. Think it will be 50/50. Some will be disgusted at his treatment of a dead animal and no longer have horses in his yard but there will be plenty desperate for their day in the sun at Cheltenham, Aintree etc... so will continue to use one of the best trainers in the business.

Incidentally there were a few videos going round of Gordon's sexual exploits going round at a lockdown party in his yard so god knows what else he's been getting up too..

From what I've heard there was an incident the previous week after which someone may have had an axe to grind with him when you consider that the photo is 4 years old. I don't like this thing of destroying people especially in such a public manner but there has to be consequences now that it is in the public domain.

It will be more interesting to see the reaction within the horse racing industry in general from both media and other trainers. It is a very self preserving sport with a serious amount of back slapping and cronyism. If anyone wants to get an idea of how the industry works then have a read of The Black Horse inside Coolmore. It is as much about how official Irish society in general works and whilst I found it a very heavy read at times it opens up a can of worms that the horse racing fraternity find very uncomfortable. Incidentally the book was banned after an injunction taken out by John Magnier. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 01, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
July 2019 is a date I've seen on social media re the date for the pic - but no evidence, so pinch of salt.

Totally overshadowed by him sitting on the dead horse, but exercising a horse to the point it dies of a heart attack isnt a great look for the sport anyway. I wonder how often that happens.

I love a punt on the horses, but totally understand that it's crooked. And imo Irish national hunt is probably the most crooked.
Non-triers and manipulating the handicaps is just the way things are done. Not even to get into drugging horses, which I know happens, but hope it's rare enough.

Allowing current jockeys and trainers to be paid "ambassadors" of betting companies is completely absurd.

I see Betfair have fired Elliott this morning. You're in a pretty low place when a betting company has the moral high ground over you!



Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 01, 2021, 11:14:09 AM
Twitter and this thread have been illuminating
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 01, 2021, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 01, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
July 2019 is a date I've seen on social media re the date for the pic - but no evidence, so pinch of salt.

Totally overshadowed by him sitting on the dead horse, but exercising a horse to the point it dies of a heart attack isnt a great look for the sport anyway. I wonder how often that happens.

I love a punt on the horses, but totally understand that it's crooked. And imo Irish national hunt is probably the most crooked.
Non-triers and manipulating the handicaps is just the way things are done. Not even to get into drugging horses, which I know happens, but hope it's rare enough.

Allowing current jockeys and trainers to be paid "ambassadors" of betting companies is completely absurd.

I see Betfair have fired Elliott this morning. You're in a pretty low place when a betting company has the moral high ground over you!

There will be some spotlight on the sport now. With Cheltenham just round the corner and the media coverage ramping up around that, Trainers, Owners and Jockeys will be getting a lot of scrutiny. Horse racing needs to handle that in the correct manner. If they get the response wrong it could do them more harm as an industry than the actual picture.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 12:18:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 01, 2021, 09:12:05 AM
Someone obviously had an axe to grind and they released this pic. Am I right in thinking it's an old picture and not taken recently?

Unfortunately this is more fuel to the animal cruelty groups who are interesting in banning horse racing. I think the blood sports in the North could be on their last legs as well.
I think you mean animal welfare

Animal cruelty groups would class Elliott's picture as exemplary behaviour
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 01, 2021, 12:21:46 PM
OLeary has come out and said Gigginstown will be keeping their horses with Elliott.

It may be because they are winding down the operation but still a bad look
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 01, 2021, 12:26:42 PM
Cheveley Park have said they will wait until the investigation is completed before making any decisions. It's probably fortunate timing for Elliot for this to come out in some regards, owners aren't going to pull their horses 2 weeks before the biggest meeting in the calendar.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 01, 2021, 12:21:46 PM
OLeary has come out and said Gigginstown will be keeping their horses with Elliott.

It may be because they are winding down the operation but still a bad look
"Jab and Go" must have referred to murdering horses
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on March 01, 2021, 01:16:01 PM
The O'Leary statement said that he accepted Elliott's sincere apology but I'd say his main beef is the fact that he was caught and with the person who leaked it. It was apparently a Gigginstown horse as well that he was caught sitting on top of!

Owners, trainers and racing media will now engage in window dressing PR exercises that best suits their own individual agendas. Feigned outrage at the photo but it will be interesting to see where the story ends up. There is a much bigger widespread issue in racing that needs to be discussed and that is to do with the level of public funds and tax breaks issued. The sport has major issues with corruption, doping, money laundering and animal welfare but the racing industry will probably circle the wagons for fear of greater exposure. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 01, 2021, 02:15:27 PM
At The Races / Sky Sports racing's comments/pundits this morning certainly haven't been deflecting / circling wagons / brushing under the carpet.

Extremely critical, and pointed comments that they're a bit fearful the IHRB might not go hard enough on him. And that while the British Horseracing Authority nearly always follow whatever ban the Irish would impose, they have in their power to issue extra punishment.

Banning him for Cheltenham is on the cards, in which case his owners would have to switch yards to keep their runners in the race.

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 01, 2021, 02:21:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 01, 2021, 01:16:01 PM
The O'Leary statement said that he accepted Elliott's sincere apology but I'd say his main beef is the fact that he was caught and with the person who leaked it. It was apparently a Gigginstown horse as well that he was caught sitting on top of!

Owners, trainers and racing media will now engage in window dressing PR exercises that best suits their own individual agendas. Feigned outrage at the photo but it will be interesting to see where the story ends up. There is a much bigger widespread issue in racing that needs to be discussed and that is to do with the level of public funds and tax breaks issued. The sport has major issues with corruption, doping, money laundering and animal welfare but the racing industry will probably circle the wagons for fear of greater exposure.

O'Leary isn't soft I'm sure there was a swift renegotiation of training fees and % of winnings going forward based on the 'pain and suffering'.

Elliott would have had to cave if he lost Gigginstown he'd have lost the rest as well!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on March 01, 2021, 02:25:19 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 01, 2021, 02:15:27 PM
At The Races / Sky Sports racing's comments/pundits this morning certainly haven't been deflecting / circling wagons / brushing under the carpet.

Extremely critical, and pointed comments that they're a bit fearful the IHRB might not go hard enough on him. And that while the British Horseracing Authority nearly always follow whatever ban the Irish would impose, they have in their power to issue extra punishment.

Banning him for Cheltenham is on the cards, in which case his owners would have to switch yards to keep their runners in the race.

It's a lot easier for British racing to go hard on him though since there isn't the same cosy relationship among trainers, racing media and the authorities. It is a relatively small circle in Irish racing circle where everybody knows each other and there is a lot of self congratulation and self preservation. For example If I had a euro for everytime I've heard Aidan O'Brien or Willie Mullins referred to as a 'genius' by racing media for example I'd be a rich man!!

I'd say the British racing authorities are dreading a situation where Elliott is still allowed to bring his horses over to Cheltenham and they are left to deal with the negativity and unwanted scrutiny that this brings. By speaking out in the media they are putting pressure on the Irish authorities to make the decision for them. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on March 01, 2021, 02:28:46 PM
Performance enhancing supplements are par for the course in the industry, and the secret is finding how to mask them better than the others. It's all science. Gone are the days of the small trainer having the same chance as the top trainers.  Same in greyhound racing, my first love tbh. And if the authorities try too hard to crack down on it, it might be like turkeys voting for Christmas...it could destroy what's left of the "sport".
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: yellowcard on March 01, 2021, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: bannside on March 01, 2021, 02:28:46 PM
Performance enhancing supplements are par for the course in the industry, and the secret is finding how to mask them better than the others. It's all science. Gone are the days of the small trainer having the same chance as the top trainers.  Same in greyhound racing, my first love tbh. And if the authorities try too hard to crack down on it, it might be like turkeys voting for Christmas...it could destroy what's left of the "sport".

This is undoubtedly true. There are a lot of good people in racing working on the ground who are very shabbily treayed but at the top level it is a business where winning and money talks and horse welfare is secondary. Otherwise why do trainers feed them growth hormones and run them with painkillers and sedatives. For the authorities it is not about policing the sport properly but about good PR and 'managing' the problem rather than creating a whole s**tstorm. Elliott will be scapegoated here but there is more than Elliott with questions to answer. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 02, 2021, 10:42:21 AM
The Elliott horse confirmed to be Morgan, owned by Gigginstown. 4 time winner, 7 year old, died of an aneurysm on Elliott's gallops in 2019.

A vid now doing the rounds of a jockey getting up on a different dead horse. Young lad being egged on by two other dopes, but he still did it and because it's a vid it arguably looks even worse than Elliott.
The amateur jockey who it supposedly is was due to be riding in the 5.20 at Gowran this evening, but is a non-runner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armagh18 on March 02, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
It's not a nice picture and he's a stupid p***k for posing for it, but it's a sad sign of the times the amount of keyboard warriors and general gobshites looking to ruin the man
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 02, 2021, 11:32:35 AM
Got sent some of the stuff on Whatsapp last evening. If even half of it true its really bad looking. Them all in that wee bar looks really poor form given the restrictions at the minute.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mouview on March 02, 2021, 11:37:32 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 02, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
It's not a nice picture and he's a stupid p***k for posing for it, but it's a sad sign of the times the amount of keyboard warriors and general gobshites looking to ruin the man

Absolutely. It's not as if he killed the horse himself. Were you've livestock you have deadstock. Typical OTT woke-generation hysterical response.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 02, 2021, 11:45:56 AM
The camera phone and social media combo  could eventually suck all spontaneity out of life.

Elliot's behaviour was deplorable, but to be honest not entirely out of kilter with what I've seen alpha males do throughout life i.e. take an opportunity to get some backslapping laughs with mates, by doing something outrageous / immoral.

While in no way supporting Elliot or his actions, the world will be a poorer and less enjoyable place when everyone is too afraid of oddball and slapstick moments coming back to haunt them, to do anything that is oddball or slapstick.

The modern Instagram take on how to live life is to carefully coordinate the exact same monotonous aspirational photo that every other f**ker has posted. f**k that.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Boycey on March 02, 2021, 11:49:43 AM
Its a very modern phenomenon, people are now outraged by this because they are told to be.....

Not Elliott's finest moment and for all I know may be the absolute p***k he's being painted as but is it really enough to want to take a man's whole life away from him?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 02, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
On slightly related note always have to laugh at the racing pundits on the TV. When a horse gets fatally injured they make this big hulabaloo about it after the race "condolences to the connections of XYZ" etc and then its move on swiftly time. Basically lip service. Doesn't mean shit and comes across as insincere.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 02, 2021, 12:19:45 PM
Back of the UK Times today that he's been banned from the UK anyway, pre-empting the IHRB investigation.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: seafoid on March 02, 2021, 12:28:00 PM
UK ban while the Irish investigation takes part. Typical media story. Intense attention for several days and then the circus will move on.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 02, 2021, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 02, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
It's not a nice picture and he's a stupid p***k for posing for it, but it's a sad sign of the times the amount of keyboard warriors and general gobshites looking to ruin the man

This right here.
Dont follow the racing at all a bookie mate sent me the pic early doors. Stupid and tasteless but unless sitting on a dead animal is against the law then i dunno. Messages coming out now about groping women so that could be another issue altogether. Someones out to get him.

He'll be on the 'whos been cancelled' thread by end of week
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mouview on March 02, 2021, 12:33:31 PM
I'd love to work at his racing premises. Has a bar in his yard fitted out exactly like a pub.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 12:38:26 PM
What's the world coming to when a man can't twist a female employee's nipples as hard as he can as she's trying to work

I guess behaviour like this catching up on a man is "fascism", or something like that

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvdNqEFWQAEI96P?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 02, 2021, 12:46:22 PM
Someone has the knives out for him
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 12:50:58 PM
Before social media, sexual harrassment generally always went unpunished

Now, social media gives victims power

And that is a good thing

But a lot of men, especially powerful men, don't like it
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Cheveley Park have pulled their horses and will be split between Henry De Bromhead and Willie Mullins. Losing Envoi Allen a massive blow.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 02, 2021, 02:20:52 PM
Seems the leaks regarding GE are coming out due to his alleged philandering.

Another jockey picture today sitting on a dead horse as well (different incident).

A lot more to come it seems
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 02, 2021, 03:03:09 PM
Sid, I seen comments on twitter than the Rachael Anne Piggott stuff is fake.
But I don't know either way.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 02, 2021, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 02, 2021, 02:20:52 PM
Another jockey picture today sitting on a dead horse as well (different incident).


Amateur jockey Rob James has issued an apology for this one. Happened 5 years, some "mate" of his must have had it on his phone and decided it would be good fun to throw it onto social media now, given what's going on with Elliott.

"I have become aware of a video circulating of me on social media. I would just like of apologise for my actions which were wholly inappropriate and disrespectful to a lovely five-year-old mare, who unfortunately suffered a sudden cardiac arrest while at exercise earlier that morning, April 30th, 2016.

"I sincerely apologise to the owners of the mare, the staff who cared for her, the horseracing industry and all followers of horse racing for my actions.

"To try defending my stupidity at the time would add further insult and hurt to the many loyal people that have supported me during my career. I have caused embarrassment to my employers, my family and most importantly the sport I love.

"I am heartbroken by the damage I have caused and will do my best to try and make amends to those hurt by my conduct," James said.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 02, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Cheveley Park have pulled their horses and will be split between Henry De Bromhead and Willie Mullins. Losing Envoi Allen a massive blow.
8 horses altogether, 4 of which are Cheltenham bound (3 to Henry, 1 to Willie).
They've said they have a preference to keep the same jockeys onboard, which in interesting and from what I heard it's non-negotiable re Envoi Allen, it must be ridden by either Davy Russell or Jack Kennedy.

But it's a permanent switch and Cheveley Park are cutting all ties with Elliott.

Be very interesting to see what Gigginstown do now. Elliott is definitely not going to be allowed have his name on the racecards for Cheltenham, but I presume the O'Learys still want their horses to race. So maybe a temporary switch of yards?

They've pulled Tiger Roll from the Grand National. They've said it's weight related, not GE related. He won his second off 159 and they say a rating of 166 is at least 7 pounds too high given he's not running as well now as he was then. So they're not going to put him through that. Pity.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 03:55:26 PM
Don't think O'Leary would switch after coming out so swiftly to defend him yesterday. They haven't got any real leading contenders in the graded races at the festival so might not be that concerned. (Not sure on the handicaps)

Also the timing of the Tiger Roll announcement is no coincidence IMO. Clear deflection tactic which nobody has really got too worked up over because it was obvious Tiger Roll couldn't win the national given his recent runs

Hard to see where all this ends up for Elliot. The social media brigade won't rest until he's gone completely. The photo is horrible but should one moment of poor judgement ruin a lifetimes work? Would a ban say 3-6 months and hefty fine be sufficient? I think so....Also there are a lot of stable staff working at Elliots who lose out it he goes under. They are probably the forgotten people in this.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 02, 2021, 03:59:59 PM
What rule has he broken to warrant a fine/ban?

Bringing the sport into disrepute?

Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 04:07:29 PM
Yeah it would appear that's the most likely charge he'll be facing going from my limited knowledge. Don't think there's a precedent for banning lads for posing on top of dead horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: delgany on March 02, 2021, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 04:07:29 PM
Yeah it would appear that's the most likely charge he'll be facing going from my limited knowledge. Don't think there's a precedent for banning lads for posing on top of dead horses.

Talking about flogging a dead horse ....
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 02, 2021, 04:53:39 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 03:55:26 PM
Don't think O'Leary would switch after coming out so swiftly to defend him yesterday. They haven't got any real leading contenders in the graded races at the festival so might not be that concerned. (Not sure on the handicaps)

Also the timing of the Tiger Roll announcement is no coincidence IMO. Clear deflection tactic which nobody has really got too worked up over because it was obvious Tiger Roll couldn't win the national given his recent runs

Hard to see where all this ends up for Elliot. The social media brigade won't rest until he's gone completely. The photo is horrible but should one moment of poor judgement ruin a lifetimes work? Would a ban say 3-6 months and hefty fine be sufficient? I think so....Also there are a lot of stable staff working at Elliots who lose out it he goes under. They are probably the forgotten people in this.
The Tiger Roll announcement also stated that he would be running at Cheltenham, so they'll have to move him if they want that to happen. A trainer re-registration has to happen 10 days before the race apparently, so that would be by this weekend.

Whatever the Irish decide, there's no chance the BHA will allow him at Cheltenham.

The IHRB move very slowly. Not meeting until Friday, so there'll be a full week of social media overload. Lots of rumours of more to come.

It was horrible to see, very crude, distasteful, etc. My initial reaction was that it was so cruel on the animal. But of course when you consider for a moment, there is no cruelty. For me, it would be lower on the scale compared to  drugging a horse (whether to go faster or slower). So IMO 2 or 3 month ban would be plenty. And this would allow Elliott to accept without going to appeal, so they can all move on.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 02, 2021, 07:05:42 PM
Video on social media of amateur jockey Rob James jumping and messing about on a dead horse. Not good and just adds more fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Look-Up! on March 02, 2021, 11:55:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 02, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Cheveley Park have pulled their horses and will be split between Henry De Bromhead and Willie Mullins. Losing Envoi Allen a massive blow.
8 horses altogether, 4 of which are Cheltenham bound (3 to Henry, 1 to Willie).
They've said they have a preference to keep the same jockeys onboard, which in interesting and from what I heard it's non-negotiable re Envoi Allen, it must be ridden by either Davy Russell or Jack Kennedy.

But it's a permanent switch and Cheveley Park are cutting all ties with Elliott.

Be very interesting to see what Gigginstown do now. Elliott is definitely not going to be allowed have his name on the racecards for Cheltenham, but I presume the O'Learys still want their horses to race. So maybe a temporary switch of yards?

They've pulled Tiger Roll from the Grand National. They've said it's weight related, not GE related. He won his second off 159 and they say a rating of 166 is at least 7 pounds too high given he's not running as well now as he was then. So they're not going to put him through that. Pity.
Some blow to Elliott and some headache for Cheveley Park this close to Cheltenham.

It's massive disruption for Envoi Allen, these are creatures of habit and it's the last thing any owner would want. I suppose keeping Kennedy on him, they are hoping it will at least keep some thing routine for the animal. Still and all, I'm sure Rachel Blackmore's heart skipped a beat when she heard the news. Don't think the yard had any other involvement in that particular race.
I'd say it done W Mullins chances of a win no harm at all, not that he's a stranger to winning!

Regarding Gigginstown, many believe MOL was the financial clout behing GE from day one and may well own quite a bit of the setup.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armagh18 on March 03, 2021, 07:10:17 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 02, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Cheveley Park have pulled their horses and will be split between Henry De Bromhead and Willie Mullins. Losing Envoi Allen a massive blow.
8 horses altogether, 4 of which are Cheltenham bound (3 to Henry, 1 to Willie).
They've said they have a preference to keep the same jockeys onboard, which in interesting and from what I heard it's non-negotiable re Envoi Allen, it must be ridden by either Davy Russell or Jack Kennedy.

But it's a permanent switch and Cheveley Park are cutting all ties with Elliott.

Be very interesting to see what Gigginstown do now. Elliott is definitely not going to be allowed have his name on the racecards for Cheltenham, but I presume the O'Learys still want their horses to race. So maybe a temporary switch of yards?

They've pulled Tiger Roll from the Grand National. They've said it's weight related, not GE related. He won his second off 159 and they say a rating of 166 is at least 7 pounds too high given he's not running as well now as he was then. So they're not going to put him through that. Pity.
Hope everyone who is cutting ties have all their horses finish as low as possible.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 03, 2021, 08:00:39 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2021, 07:10:17 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 02, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on March 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Cheveley Park have pulled their horses and will be split between Henry De Bromhead and Willie Mullins. Losing Envoi Allen a massive blow.
8 horses altogether, 4 of which are Cheltenham bound (3 to Henry, 1 to Willie).
They've said they have a preference to keep the same jockeys onboard, which in interesting and from what I heard it's non-negotiable re Envoi Allen, it must be ridden by either Davy Russell or Jack Kennedy.

But it's a permanent switch and Cheveley Park are cutting all ties with Elliott.

Be very interesting to see what Gigginstown do now. Elliott is definitely not going to be allowed have his name on the racecards for Cheltenham, but I presume the O'Learys still want their horses to race. So maybe a temporary switch of yards?

They've pulled Tiger Roll from the Grand National. They've said it's weight related, not GE related. He won his second off 159 and they say a rating of 166 is at least 7 pounds too high given he's not running as well now as he was then. So they're not going to put him through that. Pity.
Hope everyone who is cutting ties have all their horses finish as low as possible.
I wouldn't blame them. If they want their horses at Cheltenham, they have to move them. No matter what the IHRB say (will probably be a ban anyway), there's just no way the BHA allow Elliott at Cheltenham.

The fact that GE is a bit of an ignorant ballix didn't matter at all up to this, because he's great at his job. But it's coming back to bite a bit now. There's very few out there saying 'Gordon is a great guy, this is completely out of character for him'.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/brian-o-connor-elliott-revelations-leave-racing-s-good-name-in-state-of-disrepute-1.4499281
Irish racing will get €76.8 million in public funding this year, the latest instalment in two decades of State support through the Horse & Greyhound Fund.
It reflects how no other country has more wrapped up in racing, whether in terms of thousands of rural jobs, €2 billion of turnover per year, or the status that sustained success of Irish horses worldwide supplies.
Maintaining its reputation, and being seen to do everything to do so, is in the sector's own self-interest. Underpinning everything is trust and in return for State cash the public is entitled to expect nothing but the best.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2021, 08:45:19 AM
An interesting view from England


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2021/03/02/investigation-launched-new-dead-horse-video-emerges-social-media/
An issue of stupidity rather than welfare
By Marcus Armytage, Racing Correspondent

After the photo and now the video there will be a lot of people from the outside looking in at racing thinking that abusing dead horses is a cultural problem in the sport. And, quite honestly, who can blame them for thinking this sort of behaviour is endemic?

James Corrigan: Why I will not be watching Cheltenham or Aintree
But it is not the racing I know, having worked and ridden out until I quit race-riding in 2000 and having visited innumerable yards since. I believe, essentially, we are dealing with a stupidity issue here rather than a welfare one.

Indeed, of all the criticisms of Gordon Elliott, including my own on Monday, no one has questioned the wellbeing of his horses in the care of him and his staff.

If, however, the enormity of his mistake had not hit home it will have done on Tuesday lunchtime as the first cracks began to appear in the edifice he has built from Meath mud.

That was when he saw the sleek bay backside of Envoi Allen, the seven-year-old he has nurtured to an 11 race unbeaten record and a possible future Gold Cup winner, disappearing up the ramp of horsebox bound for a new home, the Waterford yard of Henry de Bromhead.

Are there any positives for racing to take from this? Well, one thing is that one within the sport no one is remotely attempting to sweep this under the carpet; there has been as much outrage within the racing industry as without and I have never seen trainers, who are all individual operators, so united in their disgust, upset and feeling of betrayal.

To its credit the British Horseracing Authority has never been more on the front-foot on an issue and if ever it sent someone a gold embossed dis-invitation to Cheltenham it was its 'interim' measure to ban Elliott trained horses from Britain until the sometimes ponderous Irish Horserace Regulatory Board have held their referral meeting on Friday.

This may have been in part to chivvy along the process in Ireland and in part to apply some pressure to the IHRB to act firmly.

However even if the IHRB do decide that it warrants a ban for bringing racing into disrepute, Elliott would normally have two week's grace before that kicks in – technically allowing him to have runners at Cheltenham.

But, clearly, not if the BHA has its way.

The mobile phone camera and social media is one of the great toxic combinations of the modern era – something I keep trying to warn my children about. Everything is snapped and most of it shared on one platform or another.

And while Elliott and the amateur rider Rob James, whose apology came across so much better and more genuine than the trainer's, have paid a heavy price for learning that incontrovertible truth, that very same combination must also, in a perverse way, be regarded as something of a safeguard.

It is difficult to get away with anything now and if this behaviour truly was endemic within racing one presumes the internet would be awash with such images not just one from 2016 and another from 2019.

But the brutal consequence for racing is that those two images will now adorn the sport's business card for the foreseeable future and a million pictures of stable staff cuddling, petting and pampering the horses they look after will never redress the balance on those lop-sided scales.

Born and brought up in a racing stable horses have always been a part of my life. The recurring argument with my wife is 'can we have another?'

One of the abiding memories of my early teenage years was the day when a good horse at home called Straight Jocelyn, a 17 hand gentle giant, died of a heart attack underneath my father, who had ridden him out every day of his life, trotting off the end of the gallop. My father was so cut up no-one could speak to him for the rest of the day.

When my mother was brought down in one of the very first ladies' races in the 1970s, breaking her thigh which was to leave her with a permanent limp, the initial distress was not so much about her injury but the fatal injury suffered by the horse.

Horses give us great highs but for the vast majority of people who work with them and look after them, coming home with an empty bridle, whether that was once filled by multiple winner or an old plodder, remains the most painful experience, the one downside to a sport with so many upsides.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: sid waddell on March 03, 2021, 08:51:37 AM
It looks like Elliott is pretty much finished

That's libertarian capitalism for ya
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:58:50 AM
It's kind of easy to forget the feeling against this in the UK. To a point we're insulated here in Ireland. They're a country of animal lovers and they just don't accept that sort of behaviour. Blood sports are long banned. Export of live animals is extremely difficult and usually there is lots of protesters. Lots of animal rights groups are questioning what else is going on in his yard. I don't think the guy needs to lose his livelihood over the head of one picture but he's up against it to save his career in the UK.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hereiam on March 03, 2021, 10:31:17 AM
Hearing it was Elliotts G.F that leaked the picture after she caught him with another filly at the stable bar. Yep seems the stables had a fully kitted out bar.
Horse walks into the bar,
Barman says "why the long face"

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: mouview on March 03, 2021, 10:32:15 AM
Has he resigned yet...er... from something?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 03, 2021, 11:06:28 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on March 03, 2021, 10:31:17 AM
Hearing it was Elliotts G.F that leaked the picture after she caught him with another filly at the stable bar. Yep seems the stables had a fully kitted out bar.
Horse walks into the bar,
Barman says "why the long face"

I'll get my coat.

"Girlfriend walks into the bar. WHY THE STIFF C*CK*

ill get my coat too...
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 03, 2021, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on March 03, 2021, 10:31:17 AM
Hearing it was Elliotts G.F that leaked the picture after she caught him with another filly at the stable bar. Yep seems the stables had a fully kitted out bar.
Horse walks into the bar,
Barman says "why the long face"

I'll get my coat.
It's not the ex. It someone else with a grudge, but using stuff about the ex.

Latest rumour is that Elliott (along with a leading amateur jockey) bought a horse for one of his owners. Agreed a price of 180k with the seller, but told the owner it was 520k, and pocketed the difference. Like anything on the internet to be taken with a large pinch of salt!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Look-Up! on March 03, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
Apparently the whole thing is taking a very heavy toll on him, can't be easy seeing all around you crumble away.

Unfortunately that's the way social media is and whenever the angry mob have the pitchforks out, sponsors and corporate suits will go running and leave you to burn. They can be pretty selective though, if he had a few more quid in the HR kitty, he could have kidnapped his daughter and locked her away for years with little knowledge of her wellbeing, and it would be business as usual.

Hopefully when this story spins itself out, and gets properly investigated, more common sense will prevail. I very much doubt there is any question of animals being mistreated in his yard and he is a great trainer, so although his future career in UK may never fully recover (assuming he will eventually be allowed to race there), there are plenty of owners here only too happy to have someone like him training their stock. Plus the O'Leary's will still use him so he should still have a decent business to run although the cabinet mightn't be as prestigious.


Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 05, 2021, 06:05:27 PM
Gordon Elliot has been given a 12 month suspension. 6 of them suspended and a €15,000 fine.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on March 05, 2021, 07:19:33 PM
That sentence fits the crime in my view. His reputation has taken a hard knock, but he will eventually be able to rebuild his equine empire. I haven't met a man who hasn't made a mistake and I'm glad he wasn't punished for life. There are people running about in society who have done an awful lot worse.

The next question is what action will the BHRB take now that the IRB has shown their hand.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: seafoid on March 05, 2021, 07:31:06 PM
I hope whoever kept the photo before leaking it is happy.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 05, 2021, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: bannside on March 05, 2021, 07:19:33 PM
That sentence fits the crime in my view. His reputation has taken a hard knock, but he will eventually be able to rebuild his equine empire. I haven't met a man who hasn't made a mistake and I'm glad he wasn't punished for life. There are people running about in society who have done an awful lot worse.

The next question is what action will the BHRB take now that the IRB has shown their hand.

Im baffled by what the BHRB need to do now - surely they just ban him in the UK as well?

It wasnt in their jurisdiction and the IRB have made a decision - that should be it.

The BHRB have many other scandals they should be looking into
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 05, 2021, 08:35:07 PM
BHA got what they wanted. An immediate ban, rather than the usual Irish way of ban starts in 2 weeks time. So while they can change the ban from a British purpose, they usually accept the Irish punishment, so hopefully that's the case here.

The IHRB findings was well written, no BS or legalese, explains why the ban wasn't longer or shorter. A fair but firm decision.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Look-Up! on March 05, 2021, 09:10:01 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 05, 2021, 08:35:07 PM
BHA got what they wanted. An immediate ban, rather than the usual Irish way of ban starts in 2 weeks time. So while they can change the ban from a British purpose, they usually accept the Irish punishment, so hopefully that's the case here.

The IHRB findings was well written, no BS or legalese, explains why the ban wasn't longer or shorter. A fair but firm decision.
Yeah wouldn't put anything past them but seems unlikely they'll deviate too much from that. Maybe no suspension and start date of ban to eliminate him from next years Cheltenham festival too?
It'd be a nice two fingers to the O'Learys as well, force them to consider moving a few horses.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 05, 2021, 09:22:39 PM
I'd be surprised if they added anything extra onto it. Ultimately they didn't want him having runners at Cheltenham this year and they've got that. I'd like to hope that a line could be drawn under this and when the suspension is over Gordon can comeback and start doing what he does best but I'm not sure that will happen in some racing circles and the wider public.

Rumour has it that Denise Foster is going to take over the licence of his yard in the mean time.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: dublin7 on March 05, 2021, 09:31:18 PM
The IHRB believe the picture is part of a campaign against Gordon Elliott. That's one hell of a reach unless they provide the evidence to support this view. Do they know why the photo was released?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ihrb_ie/status/1367891076095311877/photo/3
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 06, 2021, 07:09:17 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 05, 2021, 09:31:18 PM
The IHRB believe the picture is part of a campaign against Gordon Elliott. That's one hell of a reach unless they provide the evidence to support this view. Do they know why the photo was released?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ihrb_ie/status/1367891076095311877/photo/3

Did you read this thread for the last week. There is zero question there was someone who put up stuff about Elliott in a concerted effort to damage Elliott. The Twitter account that was the source of the information (and disinformation) has now been deleted.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: dublin7 on March 06, 2021, 09:41:44 AM
He still did it though. I've no interest in racing but for me he was lucky it was only 6 months. I'd have given him the full year. His first statement was embarrassing and for me made things worse. At least the apology from the other lad Rob James was believable and probably came from the lad himself. Gordon Elliott's sounded like something a PR agency would tell you to put out
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 06, 2021, 10:09:11 AM
Nobody said he didn't do it!
His first statement was poor.
He didn't commit a crime, he didn't commit animal cruelty, he did something that clearly was terrible for horse racing.
As outlined in the judgement, there was no reason or excuse for this behaviour.
As outlined in the judgement, there was a whole host of considerations as to why part of the sentence is suspended.
It was not worth taking down his whole yard and putting his staff out of work.
The Brits have also accepted and duplicated the punishment, Elliott is not appealing.
Firm but fair sentence. Exactly what was required. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 16, 2021, 08:24:46 AM
Will be a strange festival with no crowd.

Add into that owners choosing not to send some horses this year means some of the fields are very small.

But f**k it - its still Cheltenham.

Cant wait
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 16, 2021, 09:07:39 AM
Lads I don't have a clue about horses but the oul boy loves them.

He wants to watch them later tonight (after they are live. Would they be on the ITV site do you think?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 17, 2021, 08:07:33 AM
Some great performances yesterday from Honeysuckle and Appreciate it. Wonder if they will go champion hurdle route with the latter or arkle chase next season ? Mate of mine managed to find that 80/1 winner Jeff Kidder, god knows how.

Happy St Patricks day and good luck today. Kilcruit hopefully will do the business in the last.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 17, 2021, 08:42:27 AM
Appreciate It and Honeysuckle were a joy to watch. Shiskin was very good too, just disappointing that his main rival didn't make it. Appreciate It may end up wanting further when he comes up against more experienced horses.

Had a decent enough day yesterday, small profit and will cover my bets for the rest of the week. Like many others was waiting on Concertista for a decent sum and her getting pipped at the post will have saved the bookies a few quid.

Looking forward to seeing Monkfish and Chacun Pour Soi today. The opener looks a decent race as does the bumper. Gone for a Galliard Du Mesnil and Sir Gerhard double.

On another note, when the Cheltenham festival runs over St Patrick's day is one of my favourite days of the year. Hard to beat a few pints and running between the bookies. Tins at home will have to do this year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on March 19, 2021, 05:53:46 PM
Another Cheltenham over with some great stories throughout. Some week of racing for the Irish who dominated with 23 winners to GB's 5. Rachael Blackmore the star of the show with 6 winners and she really was exceptional all week. However she did pick the wrong one in the Gold Cup. Was delighted for Jack Kennedy to win on Minella Indo even though I had Al Boum backed.

Made a decent profit overall for the week mainly thanks to Sir Gerhard,Tell me something girl and Mount Ida. Wasn't really close to a winner today bar Elimay which was a heavy enough loss for me £££

Looking forward to Aintree and Punchestown now.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 19, 2021, 08:13:06 PM
Read an article in the "i"  newspaper today (or might have been yesterday), didn't say anything outrageous but I got a slight whiff of they think the Irish are juicing tbh, "scarcely believable performance' was one phrase that caught my suspicious eye, could have been totally innocent of course but phraseology like that used to follow some dodgy cyclists about.
Title: Seo
Post by: drici on April 07, 2021, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on March 30, 2013, 10:25:46 PM

Absolutely gutted for JT but just hope he can continue whatever progress there has been.

Panther Claw had a pretty tough.race last week IMO. Just back the three biggest outsiders e.w.


And again!

This system has now produced 2 winners of the race in 8 runnings.(no race last year.)
2013 - Liberty Counsel at 50/1
2021 - Freewheelin Dylan at 150/1
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 10, 2021, 05:41:23 PM
Fair play to Rachael Blackmore first female jockey winner of the English grand national.

Had money on the favourite Cloth cap, was 2nd well placed to win only to pull up with two fences to go.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on April 10, 2021, 08:02:22 PM
Ireland fill 11 of first 12 places... unprecedented. Some year for Rachel and Henry. Will never see the likes again.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on April 10, 2021, 08:10:28 PM
Was on Any Second Now, thought it would have had a great chance if it hadn't been badly hampered by the faller. That's part and parcel of the big field handicaps though.

Credit to Rachael Blackmore. she's far and away the best jockey around at the minute. Her tactical awareness is second to none and she has an uncanny ability to avoid trouble in running. She's ruthless as f**k also.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: MK on April 10, 2021, 08:59:09 PM
Quote from: bannside on April 10, 2021, 08:02:22 PM
Ireland fill 11 of first 12 places... unprecedented. Some year for Rachel and Henry. Will never see the likes again.

Fair play to Kevin  Blake who clearly stated on ITV's morning preview show that an Irish 1234 was a great bet at 50/1, much to the disdain of Matt Chapman who said there's no chance...the Irish trained horses did not disappoint as they filled 11 of the top 12 finishers
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 14, 2021, 09:56:27 PM
What's the word on the street, who does Bolger 'allegedly' think is at it?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2021/0614/1228096-ihrb-issue-response-to-jim-bolger-doping-claims/
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on June 14, 2021, 10:02:06 PM
The way he talks about "a Lance Armstrong figure" means it could only be one main stable or am
I reading it wrong??
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 14, 2021, 10:57:56 PM
Has this come out of the blue, don't see much online gossip? It's a wonder Superboc Ewan hasn't has his say on twitter
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on June 14, 2021, 11:09:52 PM
Have to be AOB then? With the money threw at it, volume and quality of horses they have how could Bolger even tell???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on June 17, 2021, 08:36:00 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 14, 2021, 11:09:52 PM
Have to be AOB then? With the money threw at it, volume and quality of horses they have how could Bolger even tell???
I wouldn't be reading the Lance Armstrong reference literally (ie that it's the biggest name in the sport).
My reading is that he's talking about something he believes is reasonably widespread. I'd say more among the medium sized trainers (and the lower end of those) where horses crop up to win races having shown nothing previously.
Its harder for jockeys to get away with riding with the handbrake on, as bans for them can be costly. So I would say there are more cases of drugs to make horses go both slower and faster.

AOB has the best, most expensive horses anyway. He'll do whatever it takes and will push boundaries, but illegal drugs? Very unlikely.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bennydorano on July 10, 2021, 08:09:06 PM
Galileo RIP
https://coolmore.com/farms/ireland/news/galileo-1998-2021
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on July 20, 2021, 10:35:17 PM
Anyone watch the panorama documentary on life after racing for some horses? Wasn't a great watch for anyone who thinks all horses are given 5star treatment during and after racing.
Seen matt Chapman on twitter trying to deflect by saying if it wasn't for racing these horses wouldn't have been born in first place, strange take 🤔
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on July 21, 2021, 10:14:27 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 20, 2021, 10:35:17 PM
Anyone watch the panorama documentary on life after racing for some horses? Wasn't a great watch for anyone who thinks all horses are given 5star treatment during and after racing.
Seen matt Chapman on twitter trying to deflect by saying if it wasn't for racing these horses wouldn't have been born in first place, strange take 🤔

Yeah I think most people never thing about it. But same with Greyhounds. You don't see many knocking about so you'd wonder what happens to all the pups that never make it.
I think I said it on another thread but I wonder if Horse racing and the likes are in the last throws. Similar to what happened hunting in the UK.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 03:59:09 PM
Rachael Blackmore passes the 1 million mark in winnings - some going.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: grounded on March 15, 2022, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 03:59:09 PM
Rachael Blackmore passes the 1 million mark in winnings - some going.

Brilliant competitor.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on March 15, 2022, 04:33:03 PM
She was in with a great shout of winning the 4.10 race too, but for being taken down by a falling horse in front of her.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 05:45:31 PM
Had a sneaky 5 pounds each way on Marie's Rock. :)
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on March 15, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 05:45:31 PM
Had a sneaky 5 pounds each way on Marie's Rock. :)

Only one rule on horse racing...only post your bet BEFORE the race. 
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2022, 06:16:41 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 15, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 05:45:31 PM
Had a sneaky 5 pounds each way on Marie's Rock. :)

Only one rule on horse racing...only post your bet BEFORE the race.

Must be Tony Ferron back
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: joemamas on March 15, 2022, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2022, 06:16:41 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 15, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 05:45:31 PM
Had a sneaky 5 pounds each way on Marie's Rock. :)

Only one rule on horse racing...only post your bet BEFORE the race.

Must be Tony Ferron back

no just that idiot
honeyvalley aka the greatest aka kerry for sams aka multiple other alias.
should not be too difficult for the Mods to keep the integrity of the board.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 10:49:41 PM
Oh dear when the main poster controlling the narrative is also a mod, the integrity pet is well gone.  :-*
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 17, 2022, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 15, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 05:45:31 PM
Had a sneaky 5 pounds each way on Marie's Rock. :)

Only one rule on horse racing...only post your bet BEFORE the race.
Well said.

Nothing more nauseating that idiots putting up alleged winning bets after events, but never say what they're on before the event.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Average Score on March 17, 2022, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 17, 2022, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 15, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 05:45:31 PM
Had a sneaky 5 pounds each way on Marie's Rock. :)

Only one rule on horse racing...only post your bet BEFORE the race.
Well said.

Nothing more nauseating that idiots putting up alleged winning bets after events, but never say what they're on before the event.

5 quid each way, alleged, dry your eyes.

Edit was is one meant to read 650 pages to find that rule. ???
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 18, 2022, 08:51:36 AM
Floorin porter did the biz for us yesterday. Heard their local in Killimordaly was FOC last night. Fair play.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 18, 2022, 08:52:55 AM
The one that one the imperial cup on Saturday is main hope of the day. Surprise package. Big bonus on offer for any nag winning at sandown and then Cheltenham so plenty of incentive for them.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2022, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: maddog on March 18, 2022, 08:51:36 AM
Floorin porter did the biz for us yesterday. Heard their local in Killimordaly was FOC last night. Fair play.

Loved the guy from the syndicate who went over live to the bookies and shoved his £640 on it at 5/1, the presenter was asking him why £640, he said that's all he has left  ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 18, 2022, 11:45:27 AM
Quote from: maddog on March 18, 2022, 08:52:55 AM
The one that one the imperial cup on Saturday is main hope of the day. Surprise package. Big bonus on offer for any nag winning at sandown and then Cheltenham so plenty of incentive for them.

Bonus no longer applies unfortunately

Big day for JP MCManus?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2022, 03:40:41 PM
That was some race
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on March 18, 2022, 10:32:04 PM
Poor enough festival for Elliott as owner and JP as owner.

Willie on the other hand had an awesome festival.

Delighted for Rachael to win the Gold Cup.

Venetia Williams is one to watch. Horses going well and over priced
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2022, 11:00:10 AM
Wasn't my best betting festival but broke even yesterday and still own my house!

Blackmore is a brilliant jockey

McManus had as you say a poor festival, but he's had plenty better ones so he'll not lose too much sleep.

That's my horse betting done till Grand National
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
Any tips on a decent each way bet for the grand national coming up shortly?

Went with Delta Work who finished 3rd.  Noble Yeats 50/1 the winner.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2022, 06:55:28 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
Any tips on a decent each way bet for the grand national coming up shortly?

Went with Delta Work who finished 3rd.  Noble Yeats 50/1 the winner.

Few of us out watching the rugby, one of the guys is a dentist, he picked the winner 10ner each way because the jockey was a dentist? Needless to say the food and drinks where on him 😂
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Rois on April 09, 2022, 08:21:14 PM
Put £2 each way in the Yeats one simply because of the name and got myself £81 back. How so wish I'd stuck a tenner on too.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Dire Ear on April 10, 2022, 10:37:13 AM
Had £6 ew on it, only bet I put on 👍👍👍
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: dec on May 07, 2022, 11:32:53 PM
There is a horse running in the Kentucky Derby called Mo Donegal racing in green and yellow
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 25, 2022, 04:39:06 PM
Check out the form on a horse called Golden Millie just won at FFos Las at 125/1 on its 2nd run. I know it's the time of year for the old stable christmas gambles but how can they stand in front of the stewards with a straight face.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Hound on November 26, 2022, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: maddog on November 25, 2022, 04:39:06 PM
Check out the form on a horse called Golden Millie just won at FFos Las at 125/1 on its 2nd run. I know it's the time of year for the old stable christmas gambles but how can they stand in front of the stewards with a straight face.  ;D ;D
Can't have been much money on it to stay at 125/1 SP.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Look-Up! on November 26, 2022, 05:26:33 PM
Very decent looking filly. Very green first run and ruined her debut with the pig rooting at the start which is why she started at such crazy odds. I'm sure plenty in the yard had a wee nibble at those odds.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on November 28, 2022, 09:49:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 26, 2022, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: maddog on November 25, 2022, 04:39:06 PM
Check out the form on a horse called Golden Millie just won at FFos Las at 125/1 on its 2nd run. I know it's the time of year for the old stable christmas gambles but how can they stand in front of the stewards with a straight face.  ;D ;D
Can't have been much money on it to stay at 125/1 SP.

a £100 on that horse would have moved it a lot.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on November 28, 2022, 01:04:06 PM
If the money was off track or online would the on track guys have time to react?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Look-Up! on November 28, 2022, 02:27:29 PM
I'd be surprised if they weren't linked. Very hard to say how much of a punt would move the odds. Depends on the size of the betting pool. If most of the money is elsewhere then a few little nibbles wouldn't have much effect.
Was at the track recently with a mate. Had a 10 ew on a horse (knew owner) at 100/1. Mate went down 5 minutes later for 10 ew, got it at 150/1. Think it went out to 200 but eventual SP was 150.
I'd be surprised if someone in the yard hadn't a flutter at those odds. Great looking filly and odds were way off. Of course there was no wad put on her but you wouldn't need to at those odds to have a very nice return.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WT4E on December 23, 2022, 10:08:43 PM
Want to get a present for someone. Tickets to punchestown in April. What is the best day of the festival?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on December 24, 2022, 11:39:50 AM
Usually the Thursday IMO
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: drillsergeant on December 24, 2022, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: WT4E on December 23, 2022, 10:08:43 PM
Want to get a present for someone. Tickets to punchestown in April. What is the best day of the festival?

The Punchestown Gold Cup day or Champion Hurdle usually good days and also you have chance to see some top class horses if they stay fit and well which will feature in those races.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: WT4E on December 26, 2022, 02:44:52 PM
Thanks

Went to book the Thursday. Mixed up the dates and booked the Friday. 🤮 which doesn't even suit me. FmL. Is there a way to refund or swap does anyone know.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 26, 2022, 06:11:49 PM
Tony Fearon usually knew about these things
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 13, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
Any whispers for cheltenham lads ?

Only word i've had so far is for Marine nationale in the first race tomorrow. My own personal pick for the week is ferns lock in the foxhunters fancied it for a good while now. Any info throw it up here.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2023, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: maddog on March 13, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
Any whispers for cheltenham lads ?

Only word i've had so far is for Marine nationale in the first race tomorrow. My own personal pick for the week is ferns lock in the foxhunters fancied it for a good while now. Any info throw it up here.

That one and Home by the lee are my only picks that I've looked at for now
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2023, 02:06:15 PM
One up!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 14, 2023, 03:37:55 PM
Constitution hill, what a horse. Won at a canter.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pbat on March 14, 2023, 04:23:11 PM
Great for the De Bromhead family.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: pbat on March 14, 2023, 04:23:40 PM
Even though I back against him.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 14, 2023, 04:36:07 PM
Fairytale ending. Delighted for Rachel and the de Bromhead family.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: bannside on March 14, 2023, 06:35:31 PM
Probably never see a reception like that one Honeysuckle Rachel and The De Bromheads got in the winners enclosure ever again. That exemplified what horse racing is all about.

Constitution Hill is a star and may be the best NH horse ever before its over, but today will always be remembered for the mares champion.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: seafoid on March 14, 2023, 07:51:11 PM
Someone on OTB said Irish racing is the equivalent of the Qataris and Man City. State subsidised vs England bocht.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on March 15, 2023, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 13, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
Any whispers for cheltenham lads ?

Only word i've had so far is for Marine nationale in the first race tomorrow. My own personal pick for the week is ferns lock in the foxhunters fancied it for a good while now. Any info throw it up here.

Ferns Lock withdrawn from that race maddog?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 16, 2023, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 15, 2023, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 13, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
Any whispers for cheltenham lads ?

Only word i've had so far is for Marine nationale in the first race tomorrow. My own personal pick for the week is ferns lock in the foxhunters fancied it for a good while now. Any info throw it up here.

Ferns Lock withdrawn from that race maddog?

Would seem that way, maybe ground gone against it. Fairly sure they had to supplement this horse as it wasn't declared orginally. It beat Billaway 20 lengths which drew my attention to it.Hoping for an AJ Martin plot job today.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 16, 2023, 02:19:10 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 16, 2023, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 15, 2023, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 13, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
Any whispers for cheltenham lads ?

Only word i've had so far is for Marine nationale in the first race tomorrow. My own personal pick for the week is ferns lock in the foxhunters fancied it for a good while now. Any info throw it up here.

Ferns Lock withdrawn from that race maddog?

Would seem that way, maybe ground gone against it. Fairly sure they had to supplement this horse as it wasn't declared orginally. It beat Billaway 20 lengths which drew my attention to it.Hoping for an AJ Martin plot job today.

I knew there was a reason I'm still on the board!!! Great shout maddog... any others??!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: JohnDenver on March 16, 2023, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2023, 02:19:10 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 16, 2023, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 15, 2023, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 13, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
Any whispers for cheltenham lads ?

Only word i've had so far is for Marine nationale in the first race tomorrow. My own personal pick for the week is ferns lock in the foxhunters fancied it for a good while now. Any info throw it up here.

Ferns Lock withdrawn from that race maddog?

Would seem that way, maybe ground gone against it. Fairly sure they had to supplement this horse as it wasn't declared orginally. It beat Billaway 20 lengths which drew my attention to it.Hoping for an AJ Martin plot job today.

I knew there was a reason I'm still on the board!!! Great shout maddog... any others??!!

After me asking about Ferns Lock, I forgot to check back and see about the AJ Martin shout  :o typical! Nice winner
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Blowitupref on April 15, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
The Grand National has been delayed due to protestors
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armagh18 on April 15, 2023, 05:07:58 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 15, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
The Grand National has been delayed due to protestors
Should run horses over the top of the clowns.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: maddog on March 12, 2024, 08:23:01 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 15, 2023, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: maddog on March 13, 2023, 11:28:09 AMAny whispers for cheltenham lads ?

Only word i've had so far is for Marine nationale in the first race tomorrow. My own personal pick for the week is ferns lock in the foxhunters fancied it for a good while now. Any info throw it up here.

Ferns Lock withdrawn from that race maddog?

Well he is 5/2 for same race this year. Has to have a big chance although there is one in there that beat him at Down Royal "its on the line" Hoping for Tullyhill to get us off to a flyer. Any whispers throw them up lads.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: trailer on March 12, 2024, 08:54:53 AM
Going with Tullyhill, Gaelic Warrior and then you have to see State Man and Lossiemouth as dead certs. Could be a bloodbath if them two don't come home.

Had Marine National in the 1st last year. Hoping to get off to a flyer this year.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Taylor on March 12, 2024, 10:42:09 AM
The ground will make for difficult going for a number of horses today.

Expecting a few outsiders to come home
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: 5times5times on March 12, 2024, 01:50:37 PM
State Man & Lossiemouth double? 1.50/1 for the double?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Don Johnson on March 12, 2024, 03:38:44 PM
What happened to saying 6/4?
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on March 13, 2024, 11:11:09 AM
Cross Country Chase abandoned?? Was really looking forward to seeing Delta work win 3 in a row.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2024, 06:59:49 PM
Annie Power II the bookies rubbing their hands after El Fabiolo falling today... bastards!!
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Armagh18 on March 13, 2024, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2024, 06:59:49 PMAnnie Power II the bookies rubbing their hands after El Fabiolo falling today... bastards!!
Was some race. He was hugely backed they were saying.

Some ride from Rachel to win it as well.
Title: Re: The Horse racing thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 13, 2024, 11:31:10 PM
3 days was plenty.