Armagh v Derry - Ulster Final, 14th May, 2023 @ 4pm

[gallsman]

PPS investigated,no prosecution, no evidence, case closed reports BBC

There was evidently no prosecution, that's not news.

No evidence? I didn't hear that on the BBC. Can anyone else corroborate uimhr ocht's post? Or has he just made it up/displayed a mind boggling understanding of the criminal justice process?

[giveballaghback]

If this matter had been dealt with by psni or garda surely he would have stated that and if the allegations are not true he would have stated so.
In a family law or custody case the matter is dealt with in camera. There would have been statements taken by social workers and all these statements must remain confidential and cannot be used in a different forum, only the case that the statements were given for.
Mrs. Gallagher's Facebook post said she was breaking her silence and going public so it's pretty obvious reading her statement and Rory's statement that the reverent authorities were the people dealing with the family situation.
Seafoids posts on this whole matter are right on the money and imo this story has only started.

[larryin89]

A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."

It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.

After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.

Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.

[seafoid]

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/rory-gallagher-police-investigated-claims-of-domestic-abuse-against-derry-manager/1987612000.html

A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.


Based on what is happening on twitter there are probably loads of women's groups in Derry and elsewhere who would be available to help Mrs G get her experience and evidence
into the right legal  form to go further this time.

[pbat]

Jesus I don't envy his job, but somebody let the Derry PRO out of the broom closet in
Owenbeg and say something. 

[uimhr ocht]

Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said

[nrico2006]

A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."

It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.

After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.

Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.

So they investigated and found nothing?

[gallsman]

So they investigated and found nothing?

Is that what it says?

Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said

At no point have I said anything of the sort.

[SHEEDY]

A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."

It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.

After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.

Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.

So they investigated and found nothing?

seriously? That's your take from that?

[High Fielder]

Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo

The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.

Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not

I didn't say it did. But I'm more persuaded by the fact that he has the kids. I don't know anything about the girl. She might be the most genuine person in the world or a woman scorned

That's the point
We don't know the situation
We do know that if RG is on the line all manner of vile abuse will
Be thrown at him in the cauldron of battle
Tv will love the drama

No one will win in this scenario
It's just a desperate situation for all concerned and in that I include the county board

Genuinely on the football side  think Armagh will win
No reasoning just a feeling of confidence !

It's sad for those involved and the kids. Derry CB can't dismiss an innocent man (for that's what he is until proven otherwise) and nor can they legitimately expect him to step aside. He probably should for the sake of his team, but standing firm might also be seen as a declaration of innocence. So much depends on the truth or otherwise of the Facebook post

Not strictly true that.

They can ask him if he is guilty. I would go further and say the must ask him if he is guilty. Guilty being even one incidence of domestic violence. If he says Yes then he is immediately dismissed. If if refuses to give a clear statement of innocence then he puts them in the position of having to sack him. If he makes a clear statement of innocence and there are credible grounds to believe him then they can     back him or suspend him pending all the confirmations they require.

I'm writing what I write based on the situation as it stands. At the moment,  these are allegations

So is there a reason why the County Board can't do as I outlined?

They can do, and they must do, whatever they see fit. Nothing at all wrong with what you said, as long as it's reasonable and justified. They have to suspend him if they believe the allegations are true, but they probably can't until they know that for sure

[seafoid]

Sample twitter comment
https://twitter.com/a4cderry/status/1656635140729077766
Alliance for Choice Derry
@a4cderry

Having read Rory Gallagher's response where he weaponises substance abuse issues (likely a coping mechanism for his abuse), a reminder that our institutions are built by patriarchy to enable misogyny. We strongly stand by this statement. #IBelieveHer

This is senior hurling

[seafoid]

A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."

It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.

After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.

Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.

So they investigated and found nothing?

They didn't feel they had enough evidence. That does not correspond to what Rory Gallagher implied. Nothing was definitively settled.
That is where things are.

[p3427977]

So they investigated and found nothing?

Is that what it says?

Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said

At no point have I said anything of the sort.

Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?

[gallsman]

A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."

It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.

After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.

Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.

So they investigated and found nothing?

They didn't feel they had enough evidence. That does not correspond to what Rory Gallagher implied. Nothing was definitively settled.
That is where things are.

David McK can probably clarify the technicalities but the DPP won't prosecute unless they believe there is a likelihood of a conviction.

This is no way means "no evidence" or "they investigated and found nothing" like some people assist to believe.

He of course remains innocent until proven guilty.

[Armaghtothebone]

A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."

It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.

After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.

Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.

So they investigated and found nothing?

No. They investigated and found enough to provide a file to the PPS who decided they did not have enough to go further.
That's a mile away from nothing.