London
Fermanagh
Antrim
Laois
Offaly
Carlow
New York
Teams who will be in the Tailteann Cup if they don't get to a provincial final -
Down, Westmeath, Longford, Wicklow, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Wexford, Tipperary, Waterford.
Round 1/Round of 16 is scheduled for the weekend of the 28th/29th May but if all 17 teams end up in it there will be a preliminary game the week before.
Round 2/Quarter-finals are scheduled for the weekend of the 4th/5th June.
Round 3/Semi-finals are scheduled for the weekend of the 18th/19th June.
Round 4/Final is scheduled for the 9th July.
It's straight knock-our this year for one year only.
Also New York get a bye to the quarter-final stage
Early days yet but I'd say this will be very difficult to call as some counties wont take it seriously and many may lose players to America or full stop off the panel by the time it gets going.
A lot will depend how they exit the championship. Of the teams already in it I'd say Fermanagh would be best placed of those to get to later stages. I don't know with Offaly and Laois, that is 2 very poor results for them today. And Antrim yesterday were all at sea and seem to have already lost starting players.
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Early days yet but I'd say this will be very difficult to call as some counties wont take it seriously and many may lose players to America or full stop off the panel by the time it gets going.
A lot will depend how they exit the championship. Of the teams already in it I'd say Fermanagh would be best placed of those to get to later stages. I don't know with Offaly and Laois, that is 2 very poor results for them today. And Antrim yesterday were all at sea and seem to have already lost starting players.
If a player lines out in the championship they can't get a transfer to the US until their team finishes up for the year.
I've only heard of two players who played league but quit pre-championship to go to the states.
There may be a few more but I don't think there's going to be any mass exodus of players heading to the US iso I don't think that's going to be that big of an issue.
I'd agree that a lot will depend on what way squads get buy-in to it this year.
From next season with the minimum of three group stages games and the possibility of more, it's very hard to see teams not taking it seriously.
It's a bit of a pity that the first year/launch year doesn't have the group stages.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Early days yet but I'd say this will be very difficult to call as some counties wont take it seriously and many may lose players to America or full stop off the panel by the time it gets going.
A lot will depend how they exit the championship. Of the teams already in it I'd say Fermanagh would be best placed of those to get to later stages. I don't know with Offaly and Laois, that is 2 very poor results for them today. And Antrim yesterday were all at sea and seem to have already lost starting players.
If a player lines out in the championship they can't get a transfer to the US until their team finishes up for the year.
I've only heard of two players who played league but quit pre-championship to go to the states.
There may be a few more but I don't think there's going to be any mass exodus of players heading to the US iso I don't think that's going to be that big of an issue.
I'd agree that a lot will depend on what way squads get buy-in to it this year.
From next season with the minimum of three group stages games and the possibility of more, it's very hard to see teams not taking it seriously.
It's a bit of a pity that the first year/launch year doesn't have the group stages.
I'd agree it'll depend how much players buy into it. Players don't have to play football initially to head off travelling, I think for students, a summer travelling might be very tempting, with an opportunity to play football in a few weeks.
I hope it doesn't happen but if one county declare they don't have enough players to fulfill a fixture, then it might be beaten before it starts. As it's currently set up there is no difference to the Tommy Murphy Cup, but that might change. All stars and an All Ireland Final day game would make a significant difference, as will hopefully the prize of promotion to group stage Senior championship games next season.
Quote from: Gael80 on April 24, 2022, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Early days yet but I'd say this will be very difficult to call as some counties wont take it seriously and many may lose players to America or full stop off the panel by the time it gets going.
A lot will depend how they exit the championship. Of the teams already in it I'd say Fermanagh would be best placed of those to get to later stages. I don't know with Offaly and Laois, that is 2 very poor results for them today. And Antrim yesterday were all at sea and seem to have already lost starting players.
If a player lines out in the championship they can't get a transfer to the US until their team finishes up for the year.
I've only heard of two players who played league but quit pre-championship to go to the states.
There may be a few more but I don't think there's going to be any mass exodus of players heading to the US iso I don't think that's going to be that big of an issue.
I'd agree that a lot will depend on what way squads get buy-in to it this year.
From next season with the minimum of three group stages games and the possibility of more, it's very hard to see teams not taking it seriously.
It's a bit of a pity that the first year/launch year doesn't have the group stages.
I'd agree it'll depend how much players buy into it. Players don't have to play football initially to head off travelling, I think for students, a summer travelling might be very tempting, with an opportunity to play football in a few weeks.
I hope it doesn't happen but if one county declare they don't have enough players to fulfill a fixture, then it might be beaten before it starts. As it's currently set up there is no difference to the Tommy Murphy Cup, but that might change. All stars and an All Ireland Final day game would make a significant difference, as will hopefully the prize of promotion to group stage Senior championship games next season.
If a county fails to fulfill a fixture in this year's Tailteann Cup, they would be suspended for the 1st round of the championship next year, so I think the chance of any county not fielding a team is minimal.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:53:12 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on April 24, 2022, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Early days yet but I'd say this will be very difficult to call as some counties wont take it seriously and many may lose players to America or full stop off the panel by the time it gets going.
A lot will depend how they exit the championship. Of the teams already in it I'd say Fermanagh would be best placed of those to get to later stages. I don't know with Offaly and Laois, that is 2 very poor results for them today. And Antrim yesterday were all at sea and seem to have already lost starting players.
If a player lines out in the championship they can't get a transfer to the US until their team finishes up for the year.
I've only heard of two players who played league but quit pre-championship to go to the states.
There may be a few more but I don't think there's going to be any mass exodus of players heading to the US iso I don't think that's going to be that big of an issue.
I'd agree that a lot will depend on what way squads get buy-in to it this year.
From next season with the minimum of three group stages games and the possibility of more, it's very hard to see teams not taking it seriously.
It's a bit of a pity that the first year/launch year doesn't have the group stages.
I'd agree it'll depend how much players buy into it. Players don't have to play football initially to head off travelling, I think for students, a summer travelling might be very tempting, with an opportunity to play football in a few weeks.
I hope it doesn't happen but if one county declare they don't have enough players to fulfill a fixture, then it might be beaten before it starts. As it's currently set up there is no difference to the Tommy Murphy Cup, but that might change. All stars and an All Ireland Final day game would make a significant difference, as will hopefully the prize of promotion to group stage Senior championship games next season.
If a county fails to fulfill a fixture in this year's Tailteann Cup, they would be suspended for the 1st round of the championship next year, so I think the chance of any county not fielding a team is minimal.
Hopefully it doesn't happen and no county consider it, or need to not fulfill a fixture, but if they genuinely don't have player buy in, and there are some historically strong counties in it, then it could get very awkward for the GAA.
Banning them from the championship next season whilst on paper protects against it, I'm not sure the GAA would be able to carry it through, and keep this competition going amongst players. It's another debate but I've thought potentially 16 counties is too many to start the competition with which could cause issues.
I do hope it works though, as the competition could be a good addition to the calender.
No reason why Counties wouldn't fulfill. It's still April . what's the point of giving up now until next Janurary. Win a few games and get some confidence for the following year.
In the Tommy Murphy Cup, teams were waiting around a long time to play the games. This is swift and over by July.
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 24, 2022, 09:04:27 PM
No reason why Counties wouldn't fulfill. It's still April . what's the point of giving up now until next Janurary. Win a few games and get some confidence for the following year.
In the Tommy Murphy Cup, teams were waiting around a long time to play the games. This is swift and over by July.
Honestly it's because senior intercounty footballers have always had a "second tier" competition to return to and it's one that the vast majority of them care passionately about - playing club football. I'm not sure how other counties are going to play it but afaik Down will withhold county panellists from their clubs until their Tailteann campaign is over. That, to me - asking players to commit to a competition they're not sure about, over one they are sure about - is a recipe for disaster.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2022, 09:14:48 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 24, 2022, 09:04:27 PM
No reason why Counties wouldn't fulfill. It's still April . what's the point of giving up now until next Janurary. Win a few games and get some confidence for the following year.
In the Tommy Murphy Cup, teams were waiting around a long time to play the games. This is swift and over by July.
Honestly it's because senior intercounty footballers have always had a "second tier" competition to return to and it's one that the vast majority of them care passionately about - playing club football. I'm not sure how other counties are going to play it but afaik Down will withhold county panellists from their clubs until their Tailteann campaign is over. That, to me - asking players to commit to a competition they're not sure about, over one they are sure about - is a recipe for disaster.
It's a very good point - if a club with one or two county players are struggling and at risk of relegation from the start they've made in the club leagues, what takes the priority, getting back to help the club or playing this second tier inter county competition! County boards stopping them returning to the club would be a big call to make. The players will ultimately decide if this competition works, so it's therefore important to make it as attractive as possible.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Early days yet but I'd say this will be very difficult to call as some counties wont take it seriously and many may lose players to America or full stop off the panel by the time it gets going.
A lot will depend how they exit the championship. Of the teams already in it I'd say Fermanagh would be best placed of those to get to later stages. I don't know with Offaly and Laois, that is 2 very poor results for them today. And Antrim yesterday were all at sea and seem to have already lost starting players.
If a player lines out in the championship they can't get a transfer to the US until their team finishes up for the year.
I've only heard of two players who played league but quit pre-championship to go to the states.
There may be a few more but I don't think there's going to be any mass exodus of players heading to the US iso I don't think that's going to be that big of an issue.
I'd agree that a lot will depend on what way squads get buy-in to it this year.
From next season with the minimum of three group stages games and the possibility of more, it's very hard to see teams not taking it seriously.
It's a bit of a pity that the first year/launch year doesn't have the group stages.
As far as I know that's incorrect.
That rule only applies to the qualifiers, not the Tailtean cup.
Wee loop hole apparently
Apparently 2 Down lads have pulled out of the squad, before we play Monaghan, to play in the states for the summer. Both lads played in every league game, not sure what impact it has on them lads playing sfc for their clubs later in the year.
Same in Derry too in recent weeks , just before the Tyrone ganr
Quote from: Gael80 on April 24, 2022, 09:01:57 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:53:12 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on April 24, 2022, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Early days yet but I'd say this will be very difficult to call as some counties wont take it seriously and many may lose players to America or full stop off the panel by the time it gets going.
A lot will depend how they exit the championship. Of the teams already in it I'd say Fermanagh would be best placed of those to get to later stages. I don't know with Offaly and Laois, that is 2 very poor results for them today. And Antrim yesterday were all at sea and seem to have already lost starting players.
If a player lines out in the championship they can't get a transfer to the US until their team finishes up for the year.
I've only heard of two players who played league but quit pre-championship to go to the states.
There may be a few more but I don't think there's going to be any mass exodus of players heading to the US iso I don't think that's going to be that big of an issue.
I'd agree that a lot will depend on what way squads get buy-in to it this year.
From next season with the minimum of three group stages games and the possibility of more, it's very hard to see teams not taking it seriously.
It's a bit of a pity that the first year/launch year doesn't have the group stages.
I'd agree it'll depend how much players buy into it. Players don't have to play football initially to head off travelling, I think for students, a summer travelling might be very tempting, with an opportunity to play football in a few weeks.
I hope it doesn't happen but if one county declare they don't have enough players to fulfill a fixture, then it might be beaten before it starts. As it's currently set up there is no difference to the Tommy Murphy Cup, but that might change. All stars and an All Ireland Final day game would make a significant difference, as will hopefully the prize of promotion to group stage Senior championship games next season.
If a county fails to fulfill a fixture in this year's Tailteann Cup, they would be suspended for the 1st round of the championship next year, so I think the chance of any county not fielding a team is minimal.
Hopefully it doesn't happen and no county consider it, or need to not fulfill a fixture, but if they genuinely don't have player buy in, and there are some historically strong counties in it, then it could get very awkward for the GAA.
Banning them from the championship next season whilst on paper protects against it, I'm not sure the GAA would be able to carry it through, and keep this competition going amongst players. It's another debate but I've thought potentially 16 counties is too many to start the competition with which could cause issues.
I do hope it works though, as the competition could be a good addition to the calender.
No county won't field. But they might send the squad off on holidays, field kids and when hammered declares the whole thing shite. If enough counties do that...
Does New York not have a loop hole regardless?
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:53:12 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on April 24, 2022, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 24, 2022, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Early days yet but I'd say this will be very difficult to call as some counties wont take it seriously and many may lose players to America or full stop off the panel by the time it gets going.
A lot will depend how they exit the championship. Of the teams already in it I'd say Fermanagh would be best placed of those to get to later stages. I don't know with Offaly and Laois, that is 2 very poor results for them today. And Antrim yesterday were all at sea and seem to have already lost starting players.
If a player lines out in the championship they can't get a transfer to the US until their team finishes up for the year.
I've only heard of two players who played league but quit pre-championship to go to the states.
There may be a few more but I don't think there's going to be any mass exodus of players heading to the US iso I don't think that's going to be that big of an issue.
I'd agree that a lot will depend on what way squads get buy-in to it this year.
From next season with the minimum of three group stages games and the possibility of more, it's very hard to see teams not taking it seriously.
It's a bit of a pity that the first year/launch year doesn't have the group stages.
I'd agree it'll depend how much players buy into it. Players don't have to play football initially to head off travelling, I think for students, a summer travelling might be very tempting, with an opportunity to play football in a few weeks.
I hope it doesn't happen but if one county declare they don't have enough players to fulfill a fixture, then it might be beaten before it starts. As it's currently set up there is no difference to the Tommy Murphy Cup, but that might change. All stars and an All Ireland Final day game would make a significant difference, as will hopefully the prize of promotion to group stage Senior championship games next season.
If a county fails to fulfill a fixture in this year's Tailteann Cup, they would be suspended for the 1st round of the championship next year, so I think the chance of any county not fielding a team is minimal.
No county will do that. But sending out a B squad with most of your regulars away is a different story
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 24, 2022, 09:21:48 PM
We don't even know how to spell the name of the competition.
Just about sums it up.
Thats why it should have had all Ireland in its title maybe all Ireland plate or shield or just all Ireland senior football intermediate championship.
Also does anyone know what the cup looks like will it just be another small generic cup.
i bet a lot of people cant pronounce its name either
Quote from: Eire90 on April 24, 2022, 09:56:53 PM
i bet a lot of people cant pronounce its name either
Same name as Meaths stadium and anyone that follows the sport should be able to pronounce it.
QuoteA player who has been included on an InterCounty Senior Championship list submitted to the Referee, in accordance with Rules of Specification 2.5 (ii)(a) for a game in the current year's Championship shall not be eligible to be accepted for Registration as a member of any Club in the USGAA Board Jurisdiction.
Exception - A player who has been included on an Inter-County Senior Championship list submitted to the Referee, in accordance with Rules of Specification 2.5 (ii)(a), for a game in the current year's Championship, who holds a valid current J1 Visa or who is eligible for a J1 Visa and who obtains an Official J1 Sanction may be accepted for registration.
Such a player may only have his J1 Sanction approved once his team have been eliminated from the Senior Inter-County Championship (including All-Ireland qualifier games).
The J1 Visa concerned with this Exception is the J1 Work and Travel Programme Visa only – i.e. the four-month Visa for 3rd Level Students.
To me it looks like any player who is listed on a championship 26 team list (i.e they don't even have to play) submitted to the ref for a senior intercounty game can't get a transfer to the US in the same year, unless they have a J1 student visa and even if they are J1 eligible they can only go after their county is finished up completely.
Also I checked the definition of the senior inter-county championship and The Tailteann Cup is regarded as being part of the Senior Intercounty Championship under Tier 2 - the definition is on pages 100 to 103.
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/ppactrpwjcyjus1m6dj8.pdf
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 24, 2022, 11:33:49 PMIn the short term, what would help gain player interest in the Tailteann Cup IMO would be for the winners of the competition to be guaranteed to be able to play in the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship not just for the following season, but the season also after that (so a two season minimum) regardless of National League or provincial championship performance. So for example if Down win the 2022 Tailteann Cup, then they would be guaranteed a place in the 2023 All-Ireland SFC qualifying stages even if they fail to get promoted back to Division 2 at the end of the 2023 NFL & fail to reach the Ulster SFC final - and it would also apply for 2024 as well, however if they were to play NFL3 or NFL4 for 2026 after the 2025 league and also failed to reach the 2025 Ulster final, then back into the Tailteann Cup for 2025 they would go.
I disagree.
I think one year's entry is enough because I think there is definitely potential there that the winners of the Tailteann Cup could end up taking three bad beatings in the group stages the following year especially if they get an unkind draw. I think it's only a matter of time before this occurs - a Division 3 team hits a vein of form during the Tailteann Cup/the bounce of a ball goes with them and they win it out. By the time next year rolls around their form has dipped back/they have picked up a few injuries, then they go out in the first round of the provincials and are drawn in a group against 2 Division 1 sides as the provincial winner and loser and a 3rd Division 1 side as one of the top 4 league sides who would take the 3rd seed position [If next year's format was in place for this year Mayo and Armagh would be taking 2 of the 4 3rd seed places].
If they want to adjust things down the line I think a better tweak would be to make the winner of the Tailteann Cup one of the 3rd seed spots so at least the teams they would be playing based on the league positions would be those who finished 4th to 7th as opposed to those who finished 1st to 4th.
Just read a post here stating Fermanagh have lost players off the panel after Tyrone game. If so again it makes it hard to predict but it doesn't bode well for this Tailteann Cup if we are seeing significant drop off from panels at this early stage.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 24, 2022, 11:33:49 PM
I'm reminded of an occasion a few years ago back affecting the Tyrone county ladies football team - for a few years the county team had been performing poorly in the Ulster & All-Ireland senior championships and a decision was taken to voluntarily regrade to intermediate at adult inter-county level. A few long standing county players objected to having the team drop a level and never returned to the panel, what remained along with a few fresh faces then fought on, reaching the IFC final after a couple of seasons and then winning it (beating current SFC champions Meath) to gain promotion back to Senior level. Alas, senior level didn't last long as they were defeated in a relegation final last year and will play in intermediate again this year. To me, that's the level Tyrone are at in the sport at this present time and that's where they (arguably) deserve to be, there's more to be gained at playing at the level you're competitive in & seek to earn the right to play at a higher grade rather than making up the numbers at a level where you're regularly shipping big defeats and going through the motions.
Now I know that the format of the Tailteann Cup doesn't mimic that of the female equivalent but I suspect that at some point down the line it will be, with the competition absorbed/renamed the All-Ireland Intermediate Football Championship - I see that the All-Ireland Junior Football Championship has been reformatted whereby no second string teams from Ireland now compete in it, instead there is a qualifying competition between "county" teams in Britain with two of them going forward to the competition semi-finals with New York & Kilkenny getting byes into that stage, and I'd not be surprised if in due course the intercounty football championship goes into a three-tier system with promotion/relegation between them.
In the short term, what would help gain player interest in the Tailteann Cup IMO would be for the winners of the competition to be guaranteed to be able to play in the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship not just for the following season, but the season also after that (so a two season minimum) regardless of National League or provincial championship performance. So for example if Down win the 2022 Tailteann Cup, then they would be guaranteed a place in the 2023 All-Ireland SFC qualifying stages even if they fail to get promoted back to Division 2 at the end of the 2023 NFL & fail to reach the Ulster SFC final - and it would also apply for 2024 as well, however if they were to play NFL3 or NFL4 for 2026 after the 2025 league and also failed to reach the 2025 Ulster final, then back into the Tailteann Cup for 2025 they would go.
I don't think there's any value in comparing men's football and ladies football.
The men's senior football championship generates national interest, large attendances at most fixtures, and media coverage before and after. Therefore the drop from SFC to IFC would be huge in terms of profile. It's like going from page 1 to page 5 on Google search results
The ladies championship - and I know it's a growing sport and there were 56k at a recent final, but please be sensible - just doesn't have the same levels of public interest. Nothing even remotely close. So dropping down to IFC couldn't have anywhere near the same impact on a player's sense of worth.
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Hurling doesn't equate either. It's a minority sport in most counties. When those "less interested" counties met in league / championship matches in the 50 years before the elite tossed them out, these were low profile, poorly attended matches.
How many people attended the men's football championship games this weekend in
Corrigan Park
Wexford Park
Aughrim
Navan
Was there 10k at the 4 of them?
Quote from: Rossfan on April 25, 2022, 07:02:06 PM
How many people attended the men's football championship games this weekend in
Corrigan Park
Wexford Park
Aughrim
Navan
Was there 10k at the 4 of them?
The GAA know how to kill the county game in many counties. They did the same with hurling.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0423/1293928-tailteann-cup-has-to-avoid-tommy-murphy-cups-sad-fate/
When the imaginatively named All Ireland B started in 1990 some counties used the competition to build momentum and spend more time on developing their teams. Remember this was a time that there was no back door, when you lose you were out. It was a long wait before you came together as a team the following year.
There were clearly some counties that benefited from this competition.
Leitrim won the All Ireland B in 1990 and then won Connacht in 1994. Clare won the B All Ireland in 1991 and then won a Munster title in 1992.
If their players or respective managers, John O'Mahony and John Maughan, were asked if the All Ireland B run helped to build belief and confidence in their squad the answer could only be 'Yes'.
The Tommy Murphy Cup was introduced in 2004. Tommy Murphy was a Graiguecullen and Laois star, who was selected on the Team of the Millennium. This competition was introduced with a number of perks to encourage players and counties to embrace it. The final was to be played in Croke Park, however they were often at awkward times that didn't encourage big attendances.
The winners would have a nice trip to play in the Owen Treacy Cup against a North American selection (this only happened in 2006 with a trip to Boston for Louth).
Clare, Tipperary, Louth and Wicklow were winners of the Tommy Murphy competition. The last winner was Antrim in 2008. They then went onto make a rare Ulster Final appearance in 2009. Their manager Jody Gormley has said that the success from the run in 2008 helped his squad for 2009.
if it does fail what will happen will they just keep the same format as now where only division 1 and 2 games get a second bite of the cherry or will they go back to a backdoor system with 4 rounds like before covid
just look the last year of the tommy murphy cup was basically a division 4 knockout cup
Christ with all these lads dropping off panels you would think they hated playing county football. But you'll still get people moaning about short summers and not enough being done for the little counties.
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 08:03:07 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0423/1293928-tailteann-cup-has-to-avoid-tommy-murphy-cups-sad-fate/
QuoteMore games for counties in the Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups has been a positive for hurling.
I'm not a hurling follower but is there anything to back that staement from Jason Ryan up. The reality is those lower grade hurling competitions are literally irrelevant to media, supporters or hurling at large. Hurling is virtually dead in most of those counties and those tournaments did not improve things.
Quote from: full moon on April 25, 2022, 09:58:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 08:03:07 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0423/1293928-tailteann-cup-has-to-avoid-tommy-murphy-cups-sad-fate/
QuoteMore games for counties in the Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups has been a positive for hurling.
I'm not a hurling follower but is there anything to back that staement from Jason Ryan up. The reality is those lower grade hurling competitions are literally irrelevant to media, supporters or hurling at large. Hurling is virtually dead in most of those counties and those tournaments did not improve things.
The Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups are infinitely better than what the situation was before they were introduced which was the All-Ireland B Championship which was open to any team who didn't play in the Liam McCarthy and was straght knock-out.
Before the B Championship (which started in the 70s), teams only had the option to enter the Liam McCarthy.
Hurling isn't exactly strong in those counties but it's in a far better place in pretty much every one of those counties compared to before these tournaments were started.
The Tailteann Cup isn't a magic bullet but it will be an improvement for players compared to the situation previously.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 25, 2022, 10:32:06 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 25, 2022, 09:58:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 08:03:07 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0423/1293928-tailteann-cup-has-to-avoid-tommy-murphy-cups-sad-fate/
QuoteMore games for counties in the Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups has been a positive for hurling.
I'm not a hurling follower but is there anything to back that staement from Jason Ryan up. The reality is those lower grade hurling competitions are literally irrelevant to media, supporters or hurling at large. Hurling is virtually dead in most of those counties and those tournaments did not improve things.
The Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups are infinitely better than what the situation was before they were introduced which was the All-Ireland B Championship which was open to any team who didn't play in the Liam McCarthy and was straght knock-out.
Before the B Championship (which started in the 70s), teams only had the option to enter the Liam McCarthy.
Hurling isn't exactly strong in those counties but it's in a far better place in pretty much every one of those counties compared to before these tournaments were started.
The Tailteann Cup isn't a magic bullet but it will be an improvement for players compared to the situation previously.
To be honest as an outside to hurling, have 5 different championship grades is too many and really they need to merge several together. Particularly at the lower end.
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if it does fail what will happen will they just keep the same format as now where only division 1 and 2 games get a second bite of the cherry or will they go back to a backdoor system with 4 rounds like before covid
The back door with 4 rounds is banjaxed. The GAA need the Tailteann Cup to work.
Hurling in Meath has definitely benefited from the Ring cup involvement. It's slow progress but it's still come along way from the late 90's when it was near dead.
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if it does fail what will happen will they just keep the same format as now where only division 1 and 2 games get a second bite of the cherry or will they go back to a backdoor system with 4 rounds like before covid
The back door with 4 rounds is banjaxed. The GAA need the Tailteann Cup to work.
Knockout football is what's needed.. play your provincials out then 32 county open draw. Then let club season take over
Will someone tell him about Congress and motions passed thereat? ::)
Quote from: thejuice on April 26, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
Hurling in Meath has definitely benefited from the Ring cup involvement. It's slow progress but it's still come along way from the late 90's when it was near dead.
Meath always had a 'hurling area' though, hadn't ye?
hurling should get rid of provincials and have an open draw of 2 groups of 5 or 6 group winners get bye to semi 2nd v 3rd in quarter final or an extra round of 3rd v 4th if we go with groups of 6 the bottom team in each group get relegated.
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if it does fail what will happen will they just keep the same format as now where only division 1 and 2 games get a second bite of the cherry or will they go back to a backdoor system with 4 rounds like before covid
The back door with 4 rounds is banjaxed. The GAA need the Tailteann Cup to work.
Knockout football is what's needed.. play your provincials out then 32 county open draw. Then let club season take over
thats what they should do they had the opportunity to do it during pandemic but they backed out they are too scared of a scenario where tyrone v kerry is a 1st round game but i think thats what make it exciting two big teams against each other one of them are going home early they said what makes tyrone championship good is because its a straight open knockout . I dont believe in seedings in sports tournaments unless its earn as part of the competition like the number 1 team in nfl conferences gets a bye.
you could probably still do a tailteann cup if you wanted with a open draw knockout any team thats in division 3 and 4 that does not make all ireland quarter final goes into tailteaan cup.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 28, 2022, 04:33:37 PM
hurling should get rid of provincials and have an open draw of 2 groups of 5 or 6 group winners get bye to semi 2nd v 3rd in quarter final or an extra round of 3rd v 4th if we go with groups of 6 the bottom team in each group get relegated.
Football should also get rid of provincials for the very same reasons, but that's not going to happen and similar to hurling in Munster and Leinster it's all about who controls the purse strings.
Quote from: full moon on April 25, 2022, 09:58:29 PM
I'm not a hurling follower but is there anything to back that staement from Jason Ryan up. The reality is those lower grade hurling competitions are literally irrelevant to media, supporters or hurling at large. Hurling is virtually dead in most of those counties and those tournaments did not improve things.
The majority of the hurling counties involved in these competitions outside of the Liam McCarthy are football dominated barring maybe Antrim and Laois, so it was of little consequence to these County boards when these competitions were voted in and IMO they're a good thing for hurling in these types of counties as at least they're competing at their level but hope of promotion but IMO there could be more done to promote teams into the round robins than is currently the case.
Are these same county boards who are football orientated going to say to themselves, nah, we're pants, lets not play in the Sam Maguire as we'll get mullered and play in the Tailteann cup?? Not likely if somewhat delusional.
Genuinely there's only really 5 or 6 counties capable of winning the AI football title maybe less but I'm being kind, with another half dozen competitive at that level, the rest will hope for a glory run once every blue moon but know that they'll take heavy beatings for 19 years out of 20..
An open 32 county competition would just result in a lot of hammerings. Maybe a few close games depending on the draw. I
Sligo and Down hammered today. Wexford have scored just 1 pt in the first half. Some of these counties think they are above the Tailtean Cup
Fair due to Wexford they have shown that the Leinster Championship is still alive!
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 30, 2022, 07:21:28 PM
An open 32 county competition would just result in a lot of hammerings. Maybe a few close games depending on the draw. I
Sligo and Down hammered today. Wexford have scored just 1 pt in the first half. Some of these counties think they are above the Tailtean Cup
Plus the qualifiers died a death. 20 years ago Laois and Westmeath and even Meath could win Leinster . Now it is a joke.
The TC gives counties a chance to build up a bit of momentum.
As long as the GAA run a provincial system the choices are going to be limited.
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An open 32 county competition would just result in a lot of hammerings. Maybe a few close games depending on the draw. I
Sligo and Down hammered today. Wexford have scored just 1 pt in the first half. Some of these counties think they are above the Tailtean Cup
Plus the qualifiers died a death. 20 years ago Laois and Westmeath and even Meath could win Leinster . Now it is a joke.
The TC gives counties a chance to build up a bit of momentum.
As long as the GAA run a provincial system the choices are going to be limited.
How are Sligo and Leitrim doing in Connacht these days? Inevitable hammerings?
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An open 32 county competition would just result in a lot of hammerings. Maybe a few close games depending on the draw. I
Sligo and Down hammered today. Wexford have scored just 1 pt in the first half. Some of these counties think they are above the Tailtean Cup
Plus the qualifiers died a death. 20 years ago Laois and Westmeath and even Meath could win Leinster . Now it is a joke.
The TC gives counties a chance to build up a bit of momentum.
As long as the GAA run a provincial system the choices are going to be limited.
How are Sligo and Leitrim doing in Connacht these days? Inevitable hammerings?
Not ideal but at least the same team doesn't win Connacht every year.
Gaelic footballl isn't in great shape overall.
Provincial system has long been the problem get rid of the provincial comp its outdated anyway.
Would solve alot of issues
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Provincial system has long been the problem get rid of the provincial comp its outdated anyway.
Would solve alot of issues
Having only won trophy which is won half the time by Dublin is not the answer either.
The whole provincial system is based on fake geographical borders but then you could say the whole county system is based on fake borders their is probably clubs whos nearest club to them is in another county but never play them accept from challenge matches.Armagh and louth touch each other armagh and donegal do not.
London
Fermanagh
Antrim
Laois
Offaly
Carlow
New York
Down
Longford
Sligo
Waterford
Teams who will be in the Tailteann Cup if they don't get to a provincial final -
Westmeath, Wicklow, Cavan, Leitrim, Wexford, Tipperary.
has there ever been talk of a team from Australia in the all ireland with the irish immigrant population over there was there ever talk of them doing something similar to new york.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0429/1295202-master-against-apprentice-cody-and-shefflin-collide/
"There should be plenty of young players there," he said. "They're so competitive underage. It's just getting them in and building confidence.
"I was very impressed with [Jack] Grealish the last day against Wexford. He put in a phenomenal game. They need the likes of [Evan] Niland to bring his club form into the inter-county team.
"You have to get the belief and the trust of the players. They might have one bad game but give them the opportunity to prove that they are willing to step up and learn from their performances. That can all click into place quickly with a couple of wins.
London
Fermanagh
Antrim
Laois
Offaly
Carlow
New York
Down
Longford
Sligo
Waterford
Wexford
Wicklow
Teams who will be in the Tailteann Cup if they don't get to a provincial final -
Westmeath, Cavan, Leitrim, Tipperary.
Who's the strongest of that Current Batch Fermanagh? Was fancying Louth before today's hammering. (Forgot even though in Div 3, they don't go in as qualified for
Div 2 oops)
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Who's the strongest of that Current Batch Fermanagh? Was fancying Louth before today's hammering.
That was a bit odd, given that Louth were not playing the Tailteann cup.
Tony McEntee said that Sligo would be giving it a lash anyway, it might suit them.
Fermanagh couldn't even beat Tyrone.
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Who's the strongest of that Current Batch Fermanagh? Was fancying Louth before today's hammering.
That was a bit odd, given that Louth were not playing the Tailteann cup.
Tony McEntee said that Sligo would be giving it a lash anyway, it might suit them.
Fermanagh couldn't even beat Tyrone.
I can't believe any county won't be 'giving it a lash' though. All of these counties are division 3/4 for a good reason and that is because they are in the bottom 16 teams in the country at the minute. It's a bit like the Europa League though where a lot of counties will only admit they are taking it seriously if they get to a final or actually win the competition. Any county should be delighted to win it, either that or they have complete delusions of grandeur about themselves.
europa league has been taken more serious ever since they gave winners a ucl spot
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
After last Saturday, not to mention the NFL campaign, Down footballers should be keeping their traps firmly shut.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
A lot will depend on the GAA and how they structure it, market it and set proper fixture dates. So time will tell. However Down can have no complaints at not being in the race for Sam Maguire this year. It is a merit based system and they had more than a few opportunities in the League to prove that they warranted a place in the tier one competition. Down would have a decent chance of winning the competition which could be used as a springboard to blood a few more players to get back to where they want to be.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.
I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
Its a joke that counties like Down won't take it seriously. Yes they're a traditional big county with a rich history but that counts for feck all squared today. They've no right to look down their noses at any trophy. They're a million miles off winning an Ulster at the minute never mind a Sam Maguire so they would be better off shutting up, going all out to win some form of trophy and try to build on it for next year and get back to division 2. The way they look at the minute, division 4 is more likely!
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.
I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.
Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.
And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
Its a joke that counties like Down won't take it seriously. Yes they're a traditional big county with a rich history but that counts for feck all squared today. They've no right to look down their noses at any trophy. They're a million miles off winning an Ulster at the minute never mind a Sam Maguire so they would be better off shutting up, going all out to win some form of trophy and try to build on it for next year and get back to division 2. The way they look at the minute, division 4 is more likely!
Once the pursuit of Sam Maguire (however timid this pursuit was) is over, they'd be better off back at their clubs, concentrating on club football. This has always been the case and will always be the case.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.
I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.
Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.
And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.
Down do not have 15 intercounty standard players at the moment. If they did have a decent team how of the current players would make it? The TC gives the county the chance to look at other players and try different tactics out. If Down don't engage they may not go anywhere next year. As regards the club championship, Kilcoo will probably win it again anyway.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
It could be a good competition but 16 participants is too many. Yes Down are going through a difficult time but a county with such tradition will aim to compete for an Ulster or All Ireland title, then when that is gone would prefer to help their club or go travelling. No amount of marketing will change that mindset in my opinion. The GAA should of started with the eight Division 4 teams and NY then seen how the competiton developed.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
Perfectly easy to understand. Delusions of grandeur within Down football are nothing new. Instead of gurning perhaps try and instil a bit of pride back into the jersey and show the country Down don't belong there.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.
I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.
Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.
And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.
Down do not have 15 intercounty standard players at the moment. If they did have a decent team how of the current players would make it? The TC gives the county the chance to look at other players and try different tactics out. If Down don't engage they may not go anywhere next year. As regards the club championship, Kilcoo will probably win it again anyway.
It's a big problem when a senior player who is one of the few they currently have at the required inter county standard, has stated in the paper that the Tailteann Cup is pointless. It doesn't exactly send out the right message to the rest of the members of the squad. Surely it is far better to use the next 6-8 weeks of the summer to improve themselves with matches, possible silverware and some TV exposure rather than begin preseason gym training in October before next years McKenna Cup.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
It could be a good competition but 16 participants is too many. Yes Down are going through a difficult time but a county with such tradition will aim to compete for an Ulster or All Ireland title, then when that is gone would prefer to help their club or go travelling. No amount of marketing will change that mindset in my opinion. The GAA should of started with the eight Division 4 teams and NY then seen how the competiton developed.
Counties ranked no 17-24 are there for a reason, they have no errand competing to win Sam Maguire. It is a completely fair merit based system based on current League position and not on success that was had 30 years ago.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
It could be a good competition but 16 participants is too many. Yes Down are going through a difficult time but a county with such tradition will aim to compete for an Ulster or All Ireland title, then when that is gone would prefer to help their club or go travelling. No amount of marketing will change that mindset in my opinion. The GAA should of started with the eight Division 4 teams and NY then seen how the competiton developed.
Counties ranked no 17-24 are there for a reason, they have no errand competing to win Sam Maguire. It is a completely fair merit based system based on current League position and not on success that was had 30 years ago.
Yes but what is sometimes forgotten is the amateur side of our games. Despite when success came, players in some counties rightly or wrongly are judged within their own borders on tradition. Down are in Division 3 on merit and as a result don't have a Qualifer option but if players are coming out saying it's pointless to continue in a secondary competition then we have a problem. We can't make players buy into it, and my point is counties like Down would never see a secondary competition as something they aspire to win. Club football is very important to individual players, that would quickly become the priority, then for younger players there is a chance to travel during the summer.
If their only way of getting into the sam Maguire cup was to win the Tailtean then they'd take it more seriously .
there are too many people in the GAA unwilling to admit that some counties are not Senior county level (in any given year)
it would eb like mayo demanding to play in the Liam McCarthy cup every year . It wouldn't do Mayo hurling or the Championship any good
I know timetable might be an issue but it was obvious from the start that the best way to make this competition important and treated seriously by all counties was for the winner to enter the Sam Maguire race in the same year. If the team that wins it was given a home game against a qualifier to make it through to the Quarter Finals you can be assured there wouldn't be any talk of counties not taking it serious.
I've said a few times, it should be like our counties championship, we have no issue with it along those lines why should we have any bother with it when it comes to intercounty..
If your league standings determine your championship then you could have Junior All Ireland, winners move up to intermediate or if the land into Div2 they'll play Sam, Intermediate winners play in Sam Maguire and should their league standings at the end of the season be div 2 then they'll play at Sam Level anyways, losers could take that position..
Gives teams a realistic chance to improve and two options to get into the higher grades. Now someone with more knowledge of setting this up would make a better stab than I did
This notion that a Div 4 or 3 team should be playing at the highest level is nuts, would it be allowed to happen in your own county?
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.
I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.
Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.
And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.
I'll not argue with you on that and it's only a matter of time before Croke Park marginalise it even further and yes, I'd be of the opinion that Down need a stronger club scene before they can move on at IC level.
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Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.
I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.
Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.
And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.
I'll not argue with you on that and it's only a matter of time before Croke Park marginalise it even further and yes, I'd be of the opinion that Down need a stronger club scene before they can move on at IC level.
Given the reports of ill-discipline coming out of the Down camp, it doesn't look like they had much in the way of respect for the county or any of the competitions they were playing in this year. Coming off the back of the season that they had, I would be saying nothing if I was him.
Does a Junior club team in any county kick up stink when their name doesn't appear in the SFC Draw? No, they know where they are and what they need to do to change it.
I am not sure why this is such a hard thing to accept for people within the same association.
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https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773
Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.
He will be proven right too.
He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.
I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.
Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.
And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.
I'll not argue with you on that and it's only a matter of time before Croke Park marginalise it even further and yes, I'd be of the opinion that Down need a stronger club scene before they can move on at IC level.
In all fairness Downs clubs scene would be very strong with 3 or 4 teams that would fancy their chances against Kilcoo as far as I know. Think Kilcoo have been ran very close several times in the Down championship the past few years and their is no denying how good Kilcoo are.
O Hagan says if given the chance would be want an All Ireland or Tailtean Cup, and says All Ireland medal. Talk about stating the obvious
And says Down should be back competing in the All Ireland Series. They are in Division 3 next year, and winning the Tailtean Cup is a route back to playing in the Ireland series
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2022, 03:50:16 PM
Does a Junior club team in any county kick up stink when their name doesn't appear in the SFC Draw? No, they know where they are and what they need to do to change it.
I am not sure why this is such a hard thing to accept for people within the same association.
Oh ffs. For the 443rd time on this board:
1. When you're beaten in your club football championship it's the end of your season. So it's in your interests to play to the highest competitive standard you can, rather than one that's too strong. This ensures a lengthier but competitive season.
2. When you're beaten in your county football championship, a perfectly natural and competitive football championship then opens up to you: your club championship. You don't need an intermediate county tier to fall back on.
It's not in your interest it's the rules and you like it or lump it. You are Junior Club you play JFC and you can't argue why you are down there. I am saying he seems to be dismissing a competition which in fact is Down's level.
For the 343rd time..
Hurling has graded Club and County Championships
Camogie has graded Club and County Championships
Ladies Football has graded Club and County Championships
Men's football can't have both because.... maybe the sky will fall or maybe the Russians might invade or something awful altogether might happen.....
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2022, 04:39:11 PM
For the 343rd time..
Hurling has graded Club and County Championships
Camogie has graded Club and County Championships
Ladies Football has graded Club and County Championships
Men's football can't have both because.... maybe the sky will fall or maybe the Russians might invade or something awful altogether might happen.....
Men's football can't have both because history tells us the players don't want this competition to exist .... multiple attempts to introduce a "B" All Ireland have failed miserably, and so will the Tailteann Cup. And so will the rebranded version in 4 years time and the one after that too.
Why is it so difficult to understand that competitions only work when competitors want to win what's on offer? Why, why, why? I genuinely have to question your grasp on the world if you want to persist with this nonsense. Do you really think think you know better than what 50 years of history makes oh so clear?
You are pretty much right. You want the tailteann cup then the teams in it need removed from their provincials and the all ireland championship. It has to be the pinnacle for them That's the way the hurling is and why it works. While you can compete in A and then get demoted when you lose then it's the booby prize. Look at the UEFA or whatever it's called cup now and see the same thing there.
So for the div 4/3 teams, get hammered in the main cup and no back doors? I prefer that option, I also prefer no back doors at all.
Btw Wobbler just because that's your view doesn't make it right or correct.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2022, 04:39:11 PM
For the 343rd time..
Hurling has graded Club and County Championships
Camogie has graded Club and County Championships
Ladies Football has graded Club and County Championships
Men's football can't have both because.... maybe the sky will fall or maybe the Russians might invade or something awful altogether might happen.....
Men's football can't have both because history tells us the players don't want this competition to exist .... multiple attempts to introduce a "B" All Ireland have failed miserably, and so will the Tailteann Cup. And so will the rebranded version in 4 years time and the one after that too.
Why is it so difficult to understand that competitions only work when competitors want to win what's on offer? Why, why, why? I genuinely have to question your grasp on the world if you want to persist with this nonsense. Do you really think think you know better than what 50 years of history makes oh so clear?
Not "persisting with *nonsense" as I don't instigate or run the Tailteann Cup.
Merely making a point.
* "Nonsense" appears to be anything you don't agree with ;D
The noise already is there will be barely any promotion or media coverage.
I mean the GAA and broadcasters can barely promote the Sam Maguire properly so that's no real shock.There needed to be some perks tied in even have the winners re enter Sam Maguire later on like Joe McDonagh later on. As it is, it's going to fail.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2022, 05:50:35 PM
So for the div 4/3 teams, get hammered in the main cup and no back doors? I prefer that option, I also prefer no back doors at all.
Btw Wobbler just because that's your view doesn't make it right or correct.
Two "main" cups...
Sam maguire and tailteann
If you're division 1 or 2 you're Sam maguire. If you're 3 or 4 you're tailteann.
The only exception could be if you win the tailteann you get in the Sam maguire and that is it. It means goodbye to provincials but probably only way to make it work...
Provincials make it a halfway house.
Quote from: full moon on May 03, 2022, 06:23:11 PM
The noise already is there will be barely any promotion or media coverage.
I mean the GAA and broadcasters can barely promote the Sam Maguire properly so that's no real shock.There needed to be some perks tied in even have the winners re enter Sam Maguire later on like Joe McDonagh later on. As it is, it's going to fail.
They is no live coverage until the semi finals.
Questionable of the Sunday game will do any highlights packages of the earlier rounds as well.
Sure why would they
That's the biggest issue this competition has.
The Gaa have shown how they promote the tiered competitions in hurling and this will be no different.
Live on YouTube next year I could nearly guarantee.
Year after it will be over by the middle of June to leave more time for the better counties.
Nice refreshing interview today from one of the Down lads in the Irish News .
Calls a spade a spade
if they scrapped the tailteaan cup and just have two rounds of qualifiers like we have now would the teams that get one game be ok with it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2022, 05:50:35 PM
So for the div 4/3 teams, get hammered in the main cup and no back doors? I prefer that option, I also prefer no back doors at all.
Btw Wobbler just because that's your view doesn't make it right or correct.
You'd be right most of the time with that assertion.
But eventually the association is going to have to stop rebadging the All Ireland Intercounty b Football Championship.
Play the league. The top 16 teams (8 x D1, 6 x D2, 2 x D3) at the end of that series make the Sam Maguire stages. The rest go back to club football for the summer. You qualify for the championship rather than take it as a given. Players don't have to pretend they're interested in a B Championship. County boards don't have to suffer the costs of running a county team for a competition they don't want to be in. Die hard supporters are saved 200 mile round trips to watch a game in which the players they do know aren't trying too hard and they've no way of finding out who the players are they don't know. D3 teams have a focus each season on making the big show. D4 teams have a focus each season on being one season away from the big show. Nobody loses out with this structure. Nobody.
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Quote from: full moon on May 03, 2022, 06:23:11 PM
The noise already is there will be barely any promotion or media coverage.
I mean the GAA and broadcasters can barely promote the Sam Maguire properly so that's no real shock.There needed to be some perks tied in even have the winners re enter Sam Maguire later on like Joe McDonagh later on. As it is, it's going to fail.
They is no live coverage until the semi finals.
Questionable of the Sunday game will do any highlights packages of the earlier rounds as well.
Sure why would they
That's the biggest issue this competition has.
The Gaa have shown how they promote the tiered competitions in hurling and this will be no different.
Live on YouTube next year I could nearly guarantee.
Year after it will be over by the middle of June to leave more time for the better counties.
Nice refreshing interview today from one of the Down lads in the Irish News .
Calls a spade a spade
Have to agree there. It isn't going to get any media coverage or promotion or perks by GAA so it's clearly dead on arrival.The truth is it's just about shoving the weaker counties out of the way after most of them have been underfunded for years and don't have a population to compete with the top level.
Realistically the ones pushing it the hardest aren't going to be in it. I personally have no interest in it and would be more interested in the McKenna Cup even.
Attendances will be extremely low as it's hurling counties and other underperforming counties that have no interest.
have teams not been complaning that they want summer football and a day out in the sun and how its unfair they dont get to play in the sun
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have teams not been complaning that they want summer football and a day out in the sun and how its unfair they dont get to play in the sun
Never heard that. Most lower counties were opposed to it as they knew it would get the Joe McDonagh or Tommy Murphy cup treatment.
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Quote from: full moon on May 03, 2022, 06:23:11 PM
The noise already is there will be barely any promotion or media coverage.
I mean the GAA and broadcasters can barely promote the Sam Maguire properly so that's no real shock.There needed to be some perks tied in even have the winners re enter Sam Maguire later on like Joe McDonagh later on. As it is, it's going to fail.
They is no live coverage until the semi finals.
Questionable of the Sunday game will do any highlights packages of the earlier rounds as well.
Sure why would they
That's the biggest issue this competition has.
The Gaa have shown how they promote the tiered competitions in hurling and this will be no different.
Live on YouTube next year I could nearly guarantee.
Year after it will be over by the middle of June to leave more time for the better counties.
Nice refreshing interview today from one of the Down lads in the Irish News .
Calls a spade a spade
There wasn't much refreshingly about the interview. He says he wants Down to compete in the all ireland series,well go an win the Tailtean Cup and he won't have to moan next year
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 03, 2022, 09:07:45 PM
have teams not been complaning that they want summer football and a day out in the sun and how its unfair they dont get to play in the sun
Never heard that. Most lower counties were opposed to it as they knew it would get the Joe McDonagh or Tommy Murphy cup treatment.
The Joe McDonagh cup is not comparable with the Tommy Murphy at all. The Joe McDonagh is actually a very good competition. It's maybe a bit less competitive this year than it has been however it is a very competitive competition. One of the issues is how hard it is to make the step up from it to the Liam McCarthy. I don't know how they bridge that because there's a massive gap between 2nd tier and 1st tier hurling as the score differences in Leinster this year would suggest.
I think the day in the sun thing is a nonsense. How much coverage do division 3 and division 4 teams really get when they play in their provincials anyway? Something needs to change in the championship for lower tier teams as it isn't great for them at the minute with gaps in football starting to become as wide as they are in the hurling. For me a part of that is because one day or whatever a year is no incentive for anything and the worse teams get the less of their better players commit. A properly run Tailteann cup would benefit football greatly.
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Quote from: full moon on May 03, 2022, 06:23:11 PM
The noise already is there will be barely any promotion or media coverage.
I mean the GAA and broadcasters can barely promote the Sam Maguire properly so that's no real shock.There needed to be some perks tied in even have the winners re enter Sam Maguire later on like Joe McDonagh later on. As it is, it's going to fail.
They is no live coverage until the semi finals.
Questionable of the Sunday game will do any highlights packages of the earlier rounds as well.
Sure why would they
That's the biggest issue this competition has.
The Gaa have shown how they promote the tiered competitions in hurling and this will be no different.
Live on YouTube next year I could nearly guarantee.
Year after it will be over by the middle of June to leave more time for the better counties.
Nice refreshing interview today from one of the Down lads in the Irish News .
Calls a spade a spade
There wasn't much refreshingly about the interview. He says he wants Down to compete in the all ireland series,well go an win the Tailtean Cup and he won't have to moan next year
Agreed. No idea why Down think they're above Tailtean level. If I was a Down man I'd shut my mouth after what has been a totally embarrassing season so far.
You need to get your head around something Armagh18, and you probably should before Armagh end up in same position in a few year's time.
The Down players above aren't saying they're too good for the Tailteann cup. They're saying they don't want a Tailteann cup. These are two very different things.
Just read the first round is on the same weekend as the 4 Provincials football finals 28th/29th May?
Surely that's a death knell for any media coverage or attendances at the games that weekend.
This is what people meant about promotion or media coverage. The GAA are obviously don't care about it and the media won't either lumping it in that weekend against 4 Provincial football finals. The attendances won't be there if they had any hope in the first place.
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Just read the first round is on the same weekend as the 4 Provincials football finals 28th/29th May?
Surely that's a death knell for any media coverage or attendances at the games that weekend.
This is what people meant about promotion or media coverage. The GAA are obviously don't care about it and the media won't either lumping it in that weekend against 4 Provincial football finals. The attendances won't be there if they had any hope in the first place.
If your solution is to give Tailteann cup rounds their own weekend to allow for maximum profile, thereby elongating the county season, then you should start again.
Any idea what the GAA will charge into this opposition. If its the same price as a championship game then the crowds will be poor. I'd say 10 euro would be plenty and free for u16s.
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 03, 2022, 09:07:45 PM
have teams not been complaning that they want summer football and a day out in the sun and how its unfair they dont get to play in the sun
Never heard that. Most lower counties were opposed to it
We're they?
Seems 2 spoke against it. 75.5% vote in favour.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaa-special-congress-live-updates-20649865.amp
Quote from: thewobbler on May 04, 2022, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 10:02:11 AM
Just read the first round is on the same weekend as the 4 Provincials football finals 28th/29th May?
Surely that's a death knell for any media coverage or attendances at the games that weekend.
This is what people meant about promotion or media coverage. The GAA are obviously don't care about it and the media won't either lumping it in that weekend against 4 Provincial football finals. The attendances won't be there if they had any hope in the first place.
If your solution is to give Tailteann cup rounds their own weekend to allow for maximum profile, thereby elongating the county season, then you should start again.
Who said anything about giving them their own weekend? I never said that. Don't make stuff up please and respond to the actual point
Putting it on the same weekend as 4 Provincial football finals, possibly the biggest weekend in the season in championship is surely self defeating.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 04, 2022, 10:16:54 AM
Any idea what the GAA will charge into this opposition. If its the same price as a championship game then the crowds will be poor. I'd say 10 euro would be plenty and free for u16s.
It could be free for everyone and there will be nobody at it. The attendances for Division 3/4 teams this year were very small.
Most teams had no travelling supporters in Division 4.
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
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Quote from: thewobbler on May 04, 2022, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 10:02:11 AM
Just read the first round is on the same weekend as the 4 Provincials football finals 28th/29th May?
Surely that's a death knell for any media coverage or attendances at the games that weekend.
This is what people meant about promotion or media coverage. The GAA are obviously don't care about it and the media won't either lumping it in that weekend against 4 Provincial football finals. The attendances won't be there if they had any hope in the first place.
If your solution is to give Tailteann cup rounds their own weekend to allow for maximum profile, thereby elongating the county season, then you should start again.
Who said anything about giving them their own weekend? I never said that. Don't make stuff up please and respond to the actual point
Putting it on the same weekend as 4 Provincial football finals, possibly the biggest weekend in the season in championship is surely self defeating.
But when though?
Is the Leinster or Munster final really going to piss on the B championship more than the Sam Maguire first round? No.
Short of giving the B its own weekend, it's always going to be second fiddle.
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
And the biggest cheerleaders for the Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher were a lot of these counties you talk about and also a lot of the counties currently looking at Taílteann campaigns, Down included.
If you agree in principal for tiered hurling championships, then its very much what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
Do the GAA and media promote the div 4 and 3 leagues? So teams in that cup will get the same attention I'd assume
They barely promote division 1. Were it not for TG4 there'd be very little.
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
I'm in favour of it. Armagh definitely would have been glad of a competitive cup to go for there for years when we were bouncing between D2 and 3.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:35:33 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
I'm in favour of it. Armagh definitely would have been glad of a competitive cup to go for there for years when we were bouncing between D2 and 3.
Yeah I'd second that. Not sure what the player buy-in would be but for a county that has thrown so much at the senior team with very little return (regardless of league position) over the years it would have been ideal for Armagh.
I'm in favour of it and my county would be in it pretty much every year. I don't know what publicity people think counties at Tailteann cup level get when they're playing in their provincials. They get a few interviews in the irish news (up here) in the lead up to it and a bit in the gaelic life. Then there's maybe a live match which is no good to anyone if not competitive. Then they get ripped to bits by pundits and then the cycle repeats itself :o
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
And the biggest cheerleaders for the Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher were a lot of these counties you talk about and also a lot of the counties currently looking at Taílteann campaigns, Down included.
If you agree in principal for tiered hurling championships, then its very much what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I don't care about Hurling, much like most of the country. It's a minority sport with about what 12 teams out of 36 involved in the Liam McCarthy?
I don't actually think following Hurling down the garden path to irrelevance in most of the country is a model we should follow.
Hurling has so much inequality they don't just have 2 tiers they have 5 tiers. 4 of which nobody gives a stuff about. I have no idea why football supporters want to follow that path?
What classifies as a success for Tailteann Cup supporters?
Attendance? Will be very poor
Player availability? Many seem to be returning to clubs or going abroad to America etc
TV or Media coverage? Will be virtually none barring the couple games on TV.
Less drubbings in Sam Maguire? We've had plenty so far already even last weekend
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
And the biggest cheerleaders for the Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher were a lot of these counties you talk about and also a lot of the counties currently looking at Taílteann campaigns, Down included.
If you agree in principal for tiered hurling championships, then its very much what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I don't care about Hurling, much like most of the country. It's a minority sport with about what 12 teams out of 36 involved in the Liam McCarthy?
I don't actually think following Hurling down the garden path to irrelevance in most of the country is a model we should follow.
Hurling has so much inequality they don't just have 2 tiers they have 5 tiers. 4 of which nobody gives a stuff about. I have no idea why football supporters want to follow that path?
I know its a minority sport in Cavan, lets just leave it at that.
The format of tiers is acceptable in all levels of sport, there just has to be a better carrot for this competition.
Do players or real supporters get hung up on how much media they get or don't get?
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Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
And the biggest cheerleaders for the Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher were a lot of these counties you talk about and also a lot of the counties currently looking at Taílteann campaigns, Down included.
If you agree in principal for tiered hurling championships, then its very much what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I don't care about Hurling, much like most of the country. It's a minority sport with about what 12 teams out of 36 involved in the Liam McCarthy?
I don't actually think following Hurling down the garden path to irrelevance in most of the country is a model we should follow.
Hurling has so much inequality they don't just have 2 tiers they have 5 tiers. 4 of which nobody gives a stuff about. I have no idea why football supporters want to follow that path?
I know its a minority sport in Cavan, lets just leave it at that.
The format of tiers is acceptable in all levels of sport, there just has to be a better carrot for this competition.
Do players or real supporters get hung up on how much media they get or don't get?
It's not just Cavan, it's virtually all of Ulster and Connacht.
I'm not against hurling but the people in charge and top counties are happy to let it dwindle in obscurity outside the top tier.
I don't think that should be applauded and something to copy.
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Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
And the biggest cheerleaders for the Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher were a lot of these counties you talk about and also a lot of the counties currently looking at Taílteann campaigns, Down included.
If you agree in principal for tiered hurling championships, then its very much what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I don't care about Hurling, much like most of the country. It's a minority sport with about what 12 teams out of 36 involved in the Liam McCarthy?
I don't actually think following Hurling down the garden path to irrelevance in most of the country is a model we should follow.
Hurling has so much inequality they don't just have 2 tiers they have 5 tiers. 4 of which nobody gives a stuff about. I have no idea why football supporters want to follow that path?
I know its a minority sport in Cavan, lets just leave it at that.
The format of tiers is acceptable in all levels of sport, there just has to be a better carrot for this competition.
Do players or real supporters get hung up on how much media they get or don't get?
Doubt it.
Highly unlikely.
In Roscommon there are no reports on Co League games or the group stages of the JFC yet people play in them.
Gaaboard.com has 8 pages on Tailteann and only 4 on Qualifiers.
Does that count? ;D
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
And the biggest cheerleaders for the Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher were a lot of these counties you talk about and also a lot of the counties currently looking at Taílteann campaigns, Down included.
If you agree in principal for tiered hurling championships, then its very much what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I don't care about Hurling, much like most of the country. It's a minority sport with about what 12 teams out of 36 involved in the Liam McCarthy?
I don't actually think following Hurling down the garden path to irrelevance in most of the country is a model we should follow.
Hurling has so much inequality they don't just have 2 tiers they have 5 tiers. 4 of which nobody gives a stuff about. I have no idea why football supporters want to follow that path?
I know its a minority sport in Cavan, lets just leave it at that.
The format of tiers is acceptable in all levels of sport, there just has to be a better carrot for this competition.
Do players or real supporters get hung up on how much media they get or don't get?
It's not just Cavan, it's virtually all of Ulster and Connacht.
I'm not against hurling but the people in charge and top counties are happy to let it dwindle in obscurity outside the top tier.
I don't think that should be applauded and something to copy.
If Cavan as a County board voted for the implementation of tiered hurling they can have no complaints when Kilkenny vote for tiered football, that's my point plus if you agree with the principal of a tiered intercounty competition then you can have no complaints about a tiered football competition.
You've very much a point on this as I've said manys a time the Christy Ring and Nicky Rackard finals were removed from AI semi-final days in Croke Park under the watchful eye of a "hurling man" GAA president in Nicky Brennan from Kilkenny.
Hence why I get pissed off by these lads sitting in studios in Dublin or Thurles telling us what's needed to develop hurling outside the elite when they haven't a puff of an idea.
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
And the biggest cheerleaders for the Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher were a lot of these counties you talk about and also a lot of the counties currently looking at Taílteann campaigns, Down included.
If you agree in principal for tiered hurling championships, then its very much what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I don't care about Hurling, much like most of the country. It's a minority sport with about what 12 teams out of 36 involved in the Liam McCarthy?
I don't actually think following Hurling down the garden path to irrelevance in most of the country is a model we should follow.
Hurling has so much inequality they don't just have 2 tiers they have 5 tiers. 4 of which nobody gives a stuff about. I have no idea why football supporters want to follow that path?
does anyone care about division 4 football or even just league football or even football at all excerpt gaa followers a lot of fans jump on a banwagon once they get into a semi final especially in tyrone
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 04, 2022, 10:16:54 AM
Any idea what the GAA will charge into this opposition. If its the same price as a championship game then the crowds will be poor. I'd say 10 euro would be plenty and free for u16s.
It could be free for everyone and there will be nobody at it. The attendances for Division 3/4 teams this year were very small.
Most teams had no travelling supporters in Division 4.
Don`t know where you are getting this info from , Tipp Supporters took a Bus to every away game and many travelled by car . Every game in Semple had away support including a large contingent from London !
Quote from: Horse Box on May 04, 2022, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 04, 2022, 10:16:54 AM
Any idea what the GAA will charge into this opposition. If its the same price as a championship game then the crowds will be poor. I'd say 10 euro would be plenty and free for u16s.
It could be free for everyone and there will be nobody at it. The attendances for Division 3/4 teams this year were very small.
Most teams had no travelling supporters in Division 4.
Don`t know where you are getting this info from , Tipp Supporters took a Bus to every away game and many travelled by car . Every game in Semple had away support including a large contingent from London !
Well Cavan had 4 home matches and Carlow, Wexford and Waterford had no fans there. Tipp had a small amount. Not attacking those counties either that's just the reality of football in Division 4
What is your solution? Division 4 gets no supporters but the same teams won't have many come championship, They might if they have a chance of winning something.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
What is your solution? Division 4 gets no supporters but the same teams won't have many come championship, They might if they have a chance of winning something.
The solution is the rewards.
Automatic inclusion in the AI series next season regardless of Divisional status.
Replace Minors as undercard on AI final day.
When giving TV rights, Semi-finals and finals must be covered live as part of the Package.
Call the competition
The All Ireland Tailteann CupGive the winners a Holiday tour.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2022, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
What is your solution? Division 4 gets no supporters but the same teams won't have many come championship, They might if they have a chance of winning something.
The solution is the rewards.
Automatic inclusion in the AI series next season regardless of Divisional status.
Replace Minors as undercard on AI final day.
When giving TV rights, Semi-finals and finals must be covered live as part of the Package.
Call the competition The All Ireland Tailteann Cup
Give the winners a Holiday tour.
I almost agree entirely, the only tweak I would suggest is that instead of guaranteeing a spot in the following year's all Ireland, give the winners automatic promotion to division 2.
It will need 3 teams to be relegated, but sure that spices up d2 even more!! If the winner comes from d.4 then 3rd bottom in d3 drops down. D3/4 teams losing provincial finals can opt into tailteann or Sam, whichever suits.
It's a real incentive and there's little chance we wouldn't have a competition being taken seriously by most entrants.
Yeah I like that idea.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2022, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
What is your solution? Division 4 gets no supporters but the same teams won't have many come championship, They might if they have a chance of winning something.
The solution is the rewards.
Automatic inclusion in the AI series next season regardless of Divisional status.
Replace Minors as undercard on AI final day.
When giving TV rights, Semi-finals and finals must be covered live as part of the Package.
Call the competition The All Ireland Tailteann Cup
Give the winners a Holiday tour.
Sensible enough suggestions.
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2022, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2022, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
What is your solution? Division 4 gets no supporters but the same teams won't have many come championship, They might if they have a chance of winning something.
The solution is the rewards.
Automatic inclusion in the AI series next season regardless of Divisional status.
Replace Minors as undercard on AI final day.
When giving TV rights, Semi-finals and finals must be covered live as part of the Package.
Call the competition The All Ireland Tailteann Cup
Give the winners a Holiday tour.
Sensible enough suggestions.
Yeah, apart from replacing minors on All-Ireland day in my opinion. Maybe the day before - to give competing counties enough tickets.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 05, 2022, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2022, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2022, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
What is your solution? Division 4 gets no supporters but the same teams won't have many come championship, They might if they have a chance of winning something.
The solution is the rewards.
Automatic inclusion in the AI series next season regardless of Divisional status.
Replace Minors as undercard on AI final day.
When giving TV rights, Semi-finals and finals must be covered live as part of the Package.
Call the competition The All Ireland Tailteann Cup
Give the winners a Holiday tour.
Sensible enough suggestions.
Yeah, apart from replacing minors on All-Ireland day in my opinion. Maybe the day before - to give competing counties enough tickets.
So if the teams are playing on the Saturday and their seniors are on the Sunday that would certainly affect the attendances
Isn't Farr saying play Tailteann Final on Saturday so people can easily get tickets?
As I said before there should be an AI Finals weekend
Saturday Minor, U20 and Tailteann
Sunday Senior and the new Junior
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 05, 2022, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2022, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2022, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
What is your solution? Division 4 gets no supporters but the same teams won't have many come championship, They might if they have a chance of winning something.
The solution is the rewards.
Automatic inclusion in the AI series next season regardless of Divisional status.
Replace Minors as undercard on AI final day.
When giving TV rights, Semi-finals and finals must be covered live as part of the Package.
Call the competition The All Ireland Tailteann Cup
Give the winners a Holiday tour.
Sensible enough suggestions.
Yeah, apart from replacing minors on All-Ireland day in my opinion. Maybe the day before - to give competing counties enough tickets.
Has to be played as immediate curtain raiser to the all Ireland final. Anything else devalues it.
For the displaced minors that's tough, but chances are they'll have big days in the future and are they really more deserving of an all Ireland final day appearance than an Emlyn Mulligan or Ben Brosnan who've toiled for years for little acclaim??
I like the idea of playing all football finals over a weekend at the end of August, with all the hurling finals the week before.
Any thoughts on my promotion proposal? For my money it works better than automatic entry to the all Ireland series the following year because it gives them a better opportunity to prepare, it reduces messing in trying to leave room for an extra team who won't have qualified otherwise and if they're not good enough they'll be relegated back to tailteann and ensures everyone has the same incentive at the start of the league.
Disagree with Tailteann Final as curtain raiser to Senior Final.
The TC Finalists will only get about 1500 tickets each.
It should be €10 or €15 tickets with u16s €1 and PROMOTE the fkn thing.
GAA generally poor on Promoting their games.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 10:24:33 AM
Isn't Farr saying play Tailteann Final on Saturday so people can easily get tickets?
As I said before there should be an AI Finals weekend
Saturday Minor, U20 and Tailteann
Sunday Senior and the new Junior
Exactly the reason, as people are pointing out for it to work, there's no point in having about 2000 tickets going to each TC finalist - especially when the fans have no chance of seeing any success apart from it.
Great ideas lads.
Let's put it on its own in the Saturday in Croke Park, in front of 5,000 people even with u16s going free. An empty stadium and a cup nobody gives a damn about winning. That'll really get the juices flowing for those players.
It's almost like you want to repeat the Tommy Murphy all over again. Because that was so successful, wasn't it?
If you don't mind we're trying to have an adult conversation here.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 11:27:14 AM
If you don't mind we're trying to have an adult conversation here.
But you're not. You and a few others are 95% of the way through dreaming up the Tommy Murphy Cup in its entirety. As a conversation it is bereft of original thought, and refuses to acknowledge the elephant in the room that county footballers don't want this competition. This is not adult behaviour.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 05, 2022, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 11:27:14 AM
If you don't mind we're trying to have an adult conversation here.
But you're not. You and a few others are 95% of the way through dreaming up the Tommy Murphy Cup in its entirety. As a conversation it is bereft of original thought, and refuses to acknowledge the elephant in the room that county footballers don't want this competition. This is not adult behaviour.
I think you're making a sweeping statement here Wobbler.
County footballers who are playing in Division 3, when they can realistically aspire to be playing at a higher level, might not want this competition. For me that could be Down and possibly Cavan. It will be interesting to see the attitude of Cavan towards it if they lose to Donegal on Sunday, given that they are a team who are on the way back up, unlike Down. I have a funny feeling they might embrace it.
I'm not saying these teams do not deserve to be in Division 3/4. The league tables don't lie. But if you pull on a Down jersey for the first time, you're dreaming about All-Irelands and Ulsters, not a B competition.
However, for almost every other Division 3/4 team, you would have to imagine that there is interest in this, since it is a national competition that any of the Division 3 teams stand a good chance of winning and could provide a stepping stone.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 05, 2022, 11:24:05 AM
Great ideas lads.
Let's put it on its own in the Saturday in Croke Park, in front of 5,000 people even with u16s going free. An empty stadium and a cup nobody gives a damn about winning. That'll really get the juices flowing for those players.
It's almost like you want to repeat the Tommy Murphy all over again. Because that was so successful, wasn't it?
I don't disagree with your sentiments regarding the TC in the first place, but it's here now and we have to get on with it then. I'm just saying for the sake of argument Carlow v Leitrim make the final. They never win anything at all. Maybe they WOULD like a day out in CP before the main event, but if fot example Mayo and Down ever get to the All-Ireland final would you want 10,000 tickets going to CW and LM - due to the fact it is on before the main event - or would you want to see more Down people with a chance of getting a ticket? I know I'd want more Mayo people getting a ticket for sure.
That's all I'm saying.
Quote from: APM on May 05, 2022, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 05, 2022, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 11:27:14 AM
If you don't mind we're trying to have an adult conversation here.
But you're not. You and a few others are 95% of the way through dreaming up the Tommy Murphy Cup in its entirety. As a conversation it is bereft of original thought, and refuses to acknowledge the elephant in the room that county footballers don't want this competition. This is not adult behaviour.
I think you're making a sweeping statement here Wobbler.
County footballers who are playing in Division 3, when they can realistically aspire to be playing at a higher level, might not want this competition. For me that could be Down and possibly Cavan. It will be interesting to see the attitude of Cavan towards it if they lose to Donegal on Sunday, given that they are a team who are on the way back up, unlike Down. I have a funny feeling they might embrace it.
I'm not saying these teams do not deserve to be in Division 3/4. The league tables don't lie. But if you pull on a Down jersey for the first time, you're dreaming about All-Irelands and Ulsters, not a B competition.
However, for almost every other Division 3/4 team, you would have to imagine that there is interest in this, since it is a national competition that any of the Division 3 teams stand a good chance of winning and could provide a stepping stone.
Cavan would actually have a far better reason to discard the competition than Down. A lot of their players have won multiple U21 provincial titles and they won the USFC only 18 months ago. Down have done nothing of note in over a decade so I don't really get the delusions of grandeur because of something they achieved 30 years ago.
Eugene Brannigan came out with a few home truths in the paper yesterday that seemed to have upset a lot of people within Down but maybe he might have done Down football a big favour in the longer term. He's probably listened to all the stories circulating about the Down teams preparations in the last few months and rolled his eyes when he compares it to Kilcoo. If their county players didn't want to play in the Tailteann Cup that much because they think it is not the level that they should be playing at, then they need to look inwards.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 11:05:49 AM
It should be €10 or €15 tickets with u16s €1 and PROMOTE the fkn thing.
GAA generally poor on Promoting their games.
How can we change that I wonder. GAA is lagging seriously behind in promotion and marketing, probably a decade or more versus other sports. If it wasn't for the passion and interest of everyday supporters setting up podcasts, youtube videos, stats, social media it would be way worse.
It is not a lack of money issue. It's time Croke Park got with the times. I also think it may be a generational issue with those in charge. Much more tech savvy individuals from younger age demographics could be be brought in to promote the games more online and in media. Promotion and marketing needs to be massively improved by the GAA going forward. Other issues with ticketing also as you point out.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2022, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
What is your solution? Division 4 gets no supporters but the same teams won't have many come championship, They might if they have a chance of winning something.
The solution is the rewards.
Automatic inclusion in the AI series next season regardless of Divisional status.
Replace Minors as undercard on AI final day.
When giving TV rights, Semi-finals and finals must be covered live as part of the Package.
Call the competition The All Ireland Tailteann Cup
Give the winners a Holiday tour.
Totally agree.
Also, do the finalists of the Joe McDonagh still get entry to that years All Ireland QF preliminary? Is there a case that Tailteann Cup winners could gain re entry to All Ireland that same year?
If not I would agree they need improved perks for the winner the following year.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 05, 2022, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: APM on May 05, 2022, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 05, 2022, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 11:27:14 AM
If you don't mind we're trying to have an adult conversation here.
But you're not. You and a few others are 95% of the way through dreaming up the Tommy Murphy Cup in its entirety. As a conversation it is bereft of original thought, and refuses to acknowledge the elephant in the room that county footballers don't want this competition. This is not adult behaviour.
I think you're making a sweeping statement here Wobbler.
County footballers who are playing in Division 3, when they can realistically aspire to be playing at a higher level, might not want this competition. For me that could be Down and possibly Cavan. It will be interesting to see the attitude of Cavan towards it if they lose to Donegal on Sunday, given that they are a team who are on the way back up, unlike Down. I have a funny feeling they might embrace it.
I'm not saying these teams do not deserve to be in Division 3/4. The league tables don't lie. But if you pull on a Down jersey for the first time, you're dreaming about All-Irelands and Ulsters, not a B competition.
However, for almost every other Division 3/4 team, you would have to imagine that there is interest in this, since it is a national competition that any of the Division 3 teams stand a good chance of winning and could provide a stepping stone.
Cavan would actually have a far better reason to discard the competition than Down. A lot of their players have won multiple U21 provincial titles and they won the USFC only 18 months ago. Down have done nothing of note in over a decade so I don't really get the delusions of grandeur because of something they achieved 30 years ago.
Eugene Brannigan came out with a few home truths in the paper yesterday that seemed to have upset a lot of people within Down but maybe he might have done Down football a big favour in the longer term. He's probably listened to all the stories circulating about the Down teams preparations in the last few months and rolled his eyes when he compares it to Kilcoo. If their county players didn't want to play in the Tailteann Cup that much because they think it is not the level that they should be playing at, then they need to look inwards.
though that sounded like a jamsie out campaign rather than a serious anti county rant
Are the semi finals in Croke Park or just the final?
In terms of promotion I read or heard somewhere that Croke Park were planning on having a Tailteann Cup All-Stars and that the winners were getting a contribution towards a team holiday.
Do the winners of this years competition get into next years All Ireland?
Someone should tell Tony McEntee that the group format doesn't come into place until next year.
Quote
"We're going to take it seriously, as everyone should. It's a divisional competition so we'll not know who's going to be in our group for a couple of weeks yet. But by all means, the Division we're in, the Northern Division, will be very strong. Probably Leitrim, Longford, Antrim, Down, Cavan as well, so there's a lot of very good teams in that, but we'll certainly be going with the view of trying to win the Tailteann Cup.
"It is something to look forward to, but right now we need to figure out how we can keep 15 people on the field against good teams, and if we can do that we'll put ourselves in with a good shout. But we'll look forward to the Tailteann Cup, we'll train hard for it, and we'll see how we do in it,"
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 05, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
In terms of promotion I read or heard somewhere that Croke Park were planning on having a Tailteann Cup All-Stars and that the winners were getting a contribution towards a team holiday.
Could they not play a North American selection in California or something and combine a bit of promotion and a holiday.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2022, 06:24:22 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 05, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
In terms of promotion I read or heard somewhere that Croke Park were planning on having a Tailteann Cup All-Stars and that the winners were getting a contribution towards a team holiday.
Could they not play a North American selection in California or something and combine a bit of promotion and a holiday.
Brilliant. A holiday that half of them won't be able to go on due to work/family/club commitments, and the other half don't get to enjoy their holiday, they are forced to play a match and be on best behaviour when they're there.
Brilliant.
Gaa board is outgoing itself with going back to the tried and failed methods, in its attempts to make a cup that has no appeal, have some appeal.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 05, 2022, 06:05:58 PM
Someone should tell Tony McEntee that the group format doesn't come into place until next year.
Quote
"We're going to take it seriously, as everyone should. It's a divisional competition so we'll not know who's going to be in our group for a couple of weeks yet. But by all means, the Division we're in, the Northern Division, will be very strong. Probably Leitrim, Longford, Antrim, Down, Cavan as well, so there's a lot of very good teams in that, but we'll certainly be going with the view of trying to win the Tailteann Cup.
"It is something to look forward to, but right now we need to figure out how we can keep 15 people on the field against good teams, and if we can do that we'll put ourselves in with a good shout. But we'll look forward to the Tailteann Cup, we'll train hard for it, and we'll see how we do in it,"
Seems like time Sligo got a new manager ::)
Quote from: tintin25 on May 05, 2022, 05:43:00 PM
Do the winners of this years competition get into next years All Ireland?
Yes - guaranteed a place in the Sam Maguire qualifiers.
does next years all ireland format make provincials less meaningful if we we were using next years format this year tyrone would still get into the 16 team group stage and would have to finish in the top 3 to get into the knockout stage have the just made the super 8 the super 16
does next years tailteaan cup have 3 teams advancing to the knockout stage from each group like all ireland or is it jus the top 2 in each group i like the 3 team advancing idea it gives better incentive to win group and may result in less dead rubbers.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 05, 2022, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2022, 06:24:22 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 05, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
In terms of promotion I read or heard somewhere that Croke Park were planning on having a Tailteann Cup All-Stars and that the winners were getting a contribution towards a team holiday.
Could they not play a North American selection in California or something and combine a bit of promotion and a holiday.
Brilliant. A holiday that half of them won't be able to go on due to work/family/club commitments, and the other half don't get to enjoy their holiday, they are forced to play a match and be on best behaviour when they're there.
Brilliant.
Gaa board is outgoing itself with going back to the tried and failed methods, in its attempts to make a cup that has no appeal, have some appeal.
Please please tell me this is an attempt at satire...
Quote from: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 04, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
The biggest cheerleaders for the Tailteann are those from counties not in it. Will these cheerleaders from bigger counties for the Tailteann attend matches? No chance.
So realistically the opinion of those from bigger counties who just want to push the other counties out of the way is utterly irrelevant.
Since the GAA and media refuse to promote or give it coverage, then players and supporters from the counties involved have the right to give it the two fingers.
The GAA showed what they think of it putting it up against weekend of 4 Provincial football finals.
And the biggest cheerleaders for the Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher were a lot of these counties you talk about and also a lot of the counties currently looking at Taílteann campaigns, Down included.
If you agree in principal for tiered hurling championships, then its very much what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I don't care about Hurling, much like most of the country. It's a minority sport with about what 12 teams out of 36 involved in the Liam McCarthy?
I don't actually think following Hurling down the garden path to irrelevance in most of the country is a model we should follow.
Hurling has so much inequality they don't just have 2 tiers they have 5 tiers. 4 of which nobody gives a stuff about. I have no idea why football supporters want to follow that path?
does anyone care about division 4 football or even just league football or even football at all excerpt gaa followers a lot of fans jump on a banwagon once they get into a semi final especially in tyrone
Punters will watch any kind of sport as long as it is interesting. Otherwise Eurosport wouldn't exist
Quote from: Eire90 on May 06, 2022, 07:16:21 AM
does next years all ireland format make provincials less meaningful
Yes as far as AI participation is concerned.
London (4) lost to Leitrim
Fermanagh (7) lost to Tyrone
Antrim (13) lost to Cavan
Laois (6) lost to Wicklow
Offaly (3) lost to Wexford
Carlow (15) lost to Louth
New York (4) lost to Sligo
Down (10) lost to Monaghan
Longford (8) lost to Westmeath
Sligo (12) lost to Roscommon
Waterford (8) lost to Tipperary
Wexford (23) lost to Dublin
Wicklow (10) lost to Laois
Leitrim (23) lost to Galway
Cavan (6) lost to Donegal
Teams who will be in the Tailteann Cup if they don't get to a provincial final -
Westmeath, Tipperary.
Teams that won no game
London (4) lost to Leitrim
Fermanagh (7) lost to Tyrone
Antrim (13) lost to Cavan
Laois (6) lost to Wicklow
Offaly (3) lost to Wexford
Carlow (15) lost to Louth
New York (4) lost to Sligo
Down (10) lost to Monaghan
Longford (8) lost to Westmeath
Waterford (8) lost to Tipperary
Teams that won a game
Sligo (12) lost to Roscommon - beat New York
Wexford (23) lost to Dublin - beat Offaly
Wicklow (10) lost to Meath - beat Laois
Leitrim (23) lost to Galway - beat London
Cavan (6) lost to Donegal - beat Antrim
Des Cahill is looking forward to it
When does it start?
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2022, 11:06:51 PM
When does it start?
Round 1/Round of 16 is scheduled for the weekend of the 28th/29th May but if all 17 teams end up in it there will be a preliminary game the week before.
Round 2/Quarter-finals are scheduled for the weekend of the 4th/5th June.
Round 3/Semi-finals are scheduled for the weekend of the 18th/19th June.
Round 4/Final is scheduled for the 9th July.
Andy Moran is very enthusiastic about the Tailteann Cup.
I would imagine draw is next week once we know the provincial finalists
Westmeath could be in or out as will Tipp or Limerick.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 09, 2022, 12:05:33 PM
I would imagine draw is next week once we know the provincial finalists
Westmeath could be in or out as will Tipp or Limerick.
Limerick are not in it regardless of what happens next weekend. They're up to Division 2
Was there any reason given the winner couldn't re enter the All Ireland in the same year like the Joe McDonagh?
Surely that's the biggest incentive of all. Without that, and lack of coverage I think it's dead in the water.
Even the name of it. Intermediate All Ireland would be better.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 11:56:17 AM
Andy Moran is very enthusiastic about the Tailteann Cup.
I just read what he said there. He is right, I never heard anything about a North/South Setup. Where did that come from? Just a way to maximise attendance no doubt.
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 12:47:23 PM
Was there any reason given the winner couldn't re enter the All Ireland in the same year like the Joe McDonagh?
Surely that's the biggest incentive of all. Without that, and lack of coverage I think it's dead in the water.
Even the name of it. Intermediate All Ireland would be better.
Timing. You have to wait until the provincial final pairings are set before drawing the Tailteann Cup fixtures, as some can avoid going into it based on a final appearance. They then need to run that to the final, which runs alongside the same timeline as the main All Ireland series. You'd otherwise have to hold up the main competition while they run that off. Would make sense, but can't see it working with the time available.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 09, 2022, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 12:47:23 PM
Was there any reason given the winner couldn't re enter the All Ireland in the same year like the Joe McDonagh?
Surely that's the biggest incentive of all. Without that, and lack of coverage I think it's dead in the water.
Even the name of it. Intermediate All Ireland would be better.
Timing. You have to wait until the provincial final pairings are set before drawing the Tailteann Cup fixtures, as some can avoid going into it based on a final appearance. They then need to run that to the final, which runs alongside the same timeline as the main All Ireland series. You'd otherwise have to hold up the main competition while they run that off. Would make sense, but can't see it working with the time available.
I think it's going to be dead in th water unless re entry to current All Ireland comes in.
Came across a tweet claiming first two rounds are on a geographical basis, has this been mentioned or confirmed?
"Round 1 and the Quarter Finals will be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections. The Central Competitions Control Committee will decide on an annual basis which Counties will be included in each Section (See page 103 of Chapter 6 of GAA's Games and Competitions manual)&"
If so I think the draw may end up fairly lobsided, especially if you put Westmeath/Offaly on northern section
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 09, 2022, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 12:47:23 PM
Was there any reason given the winner couldn't re enter the All Ireland in the same year like the Joe McDonagh?
Surely that's the biggest incentive of all. Without that, and lack of coverage I think it's dead in the water.
Even the name of it. Intermediate All Ireland would be better.
Timing. You have to wait until the provincial final pairings are set before drawing the Tailteann Cup fixtures, as some can avoid going into it based on a final appearance. They then need to run that to the final, which runs alongside the same timeline as the main All Ireland series. You'd otherwise have to hold up the main competition while they run that off. Would make sense, but can't see it working with the time available.
I think it's going to be dead in th water unless re entry to current All Ireland comes in.
Don't disagree, but where do you fit it in? You'd need to start it off before Provincial finals finish. And then you're competing with the other main games, and it'll never get the exposure or media that it should.
I think it's nearly dead in the water already as the setup of it with the League positions is very flawed.
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
If so I think the draw may end up fairly lobsided, especially if you put Westmeath/Offaly on northern section
I'd agree, this sounds silly and no basis for it. people travel all over the country in the summer for main Championship games. They tried this last year in the league and I thought it was a joke as you had some very lopsided groups. And anyway, isn't it a case that teams who already met can't meet in the first round? Like if Cavan and Antrim are in the North section, they can't play. No sense in this.
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Came across a tweet claiming first two rounds are on a geographical basis, has this been mentioned or confirmed?
"Round 1 and the Quarter Finals will be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections. The Central Competitions Control Committee will decide on an annual basis which Counties will be included in each Section (See page 103 of Chapter 6 of GAA's Games and Competitions manual)&"
I did read somewhere that the Northern and Southern Sections wouldn't be happening until next year but the fact that people don't seem to know how it is going to work says a lot about how it will go.
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 09, 2022, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 12:47:23 PM
Was there any reason given the winner couldn't re enter the All Ireland in the same year like the Joe McDonagh?
Surely that's the biggest incentive of all. Without that, and lack of coverage I think it's dead in the water.
Even the name of it. Intermediate All Ireland would be better.
Timing. You have to wait until the provincial final pairings are set before drawing the Tailteann Cup fixtures, as some can avoid going into it based on a final appearance. They then need to run that to the final, which runs alongside the same timeline as the main All Ireland series. You'd otherwise have to hold up the main competition while they run that off. Would make sense, but can't see it working with the time available.
I think it's going to be dead in th water unless re entry to current All Ireland comes in.
I disagree. Winning it should mean a team goes up automatically into the All Ireland for the following year. It needs to be a standalone competition and played as a curtain raiser to an All Ireland semifinal or even better the final. A semifinal might be more realistic because of ticket issues etc.. That would give it the profile it needs. Re entry into the current All Ireland wouldn't last too long if the winners in the first couple of seasons were drawn against Kerry or Tyrone in an all Ireland quarterfinal and were annihilated.
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
It's a split season that allows plenty of time for those players with their clubs once the inter County season ends.
Should be a honour to represent your county and this is competition with the opportunity to win a trophy in Croke Park.
Quote from: lenny on May 09, 2022, 03:00:13 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 09, 2022, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 09, 2022, 12:47:23 PM
Was there any reason given the winner couldn't re enter the All Ireland in the same year like the Joe McDonagh?
Surely that's the biggest incentive of all. Without that, and lack of coverage I think it's dead in the water.
Even the name of it. Intermediate All Ireland would be better.
Timing. You have to wait until the provincial final pairings are set before drawing the Tailteann Cup fixtures, as some can avoid going into it based on a final appearance. They then need to run that to the final, which runs alongside the same timeline as the main All Ireland series. You'd otherwise have to hold up the main competition while they run that off. Would make sense, but can't see it working with the time available.
I think it's going to be dead in th water unless re entry to current All Ireland comes in.
I disagree. Winning it should mean a team goes up automatically into the All Ireland for the following year. It needs to be a standalone competition and played as a curtain raiser to an All Ireland semifinal or even better the final. A semifinal might be more realistic because of ticket issues etc.. That would give it the profile it needs. Re entry into the current All Ireland wouldn't last too long if the winners in the first couple of seasons were drawn against Kerry or Tyrone in an all Ireland quarterfinal and were annihilated.
Not sure a one year inclusion into Sam is really going to do many of the Tailteann Cup level counties any good. imagine it was in this year, you'd be into qualifiers to get hockeyed by likes of Mayo, Tyrone, or Armagh. What good will it actually do? Go up to get the cr*p beat out of you?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/mickey-harte-says-its-nearly-too-late-to-market-tailteann-cup-well-now-259897
Harte and Canavan saying its too late to market now and all the details, perks and format should have been confirmed months ago. Totally agree, even the format hasn't been properly announced.
Interesting few points here from RTE
- Confirming North South geographic split until semi finals
- Ciaran Whelan claims compact season means it never had a chance of promotion and its Tommy Murphy 2
- John Maughan states he read that there will be All stars and a holiday for winners but that it won't sell it now as it neeeded confirmation months back. Also sort of indicates managers haven't been told much if he had to rely on media reports
- New York get a bye to QF but will play away only
- Preliminary round but provincial semi finalists aren't in it
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0509/1296947-ready-for-launch-tailteann-cup-teams-continue-to-prep/
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
It's a split season that allows plenty of time for those players with their clubs once the inter County season ends.
Should be a honour to represent your county and this is competition with the opportunity to win a trophy in Croke Park.
So you have them for a bit then they go away again ? Aye it's an honour like the Tommy cooper cup.. they'll be writing songs about the winners and films made about the rise from div 4 to Sam Maguire!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
It's a split season that allows plenty of time for those players with their clubs once the inter County season ends.
Should be a honour to represent your county and this is competition with the opportunity to win a trophy in Croke Park.
So you have them for a bit then they go away again ? Aye it's an honour like the Tommy cooper cup.. they'll be writing songs about the winners and films made about the rise from div 4 to Sam Maguire!
You complained about the provincial championships previously and now writing off the Tailteann Cup before it begins. So you want your own Antrim county players play one championship match and those players be let back to their clubs?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
It's a split season that allows plenty of time for those players with their clubs once the inter County season ends.
Should be a honour to represent your county and this is competition with the opportunity to win a trophy in Croke Park.
So you have them for a bit then they go away again ? Aye it's an honour like the Tommy cooper cup.. they'll be writing songs about the winners and films made about the rise from div 4 to Sam Maguire!
You complained about the provincial championships previously and now writing off the Tailteann Cup before it begins. So you want your own Antrim county players play one championship match and those players be let back to their clubs?
That's pretty what I want myself. I'd like the leagues to be finishing up around now - mid May - and used to determine championship places. And as many players returned to their clubs as quickly as possible between now and the AI final end of July.
There will be loads of players free to rejoin clubs starting from 2 or 3 weeks time.
How many Club Championship games will those players get before the AI football Final on 24th July?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 09, 2022, 07:07:46 PM
There will be loads of players free to rejoin clubs starting from 2 or 3 weeks time.
How many Club Championship games will those players get before the AI football Final on 24th July?
It's not about the 1% getting football. It's about the 99% getting football.
So we now have a north section and a South section.
It looks like they are making this up as they go along .
Quote from: thewobbler on May 09, 2022, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 09, 2022, 07:07:46 PM
There will be loads of players free to rejoin clubs starting from 2 or 3 weeks time.
How many Club Championship games will those players get before the AI football Final on 24th July?
It's not about the 1% getting football. It's about the 99% getting football.
Do agree, but you need a strong jewel in the crown, your intercounty championship. And moving it away from its historic place in the calendar, playing bulk of all matches in early part of the year in poor weather, clashing with other sports, and not having many games during the actual summer months seems silly to me.
A farce if the proposal doing rounds is right.
The GAA is been run shockingly bad in recent years - venues, ticketing, structures, u-turns, etc etc. simple things are dragged into headlines with uncertainty and speculation before the inevitable announcement. Never seem to get ahead and their own spin in place.
Competition weeks from starting and only now has a format come into public domain via leaks. And it's not what was expected and belittling with regional format.
And you can be sure the regional nature be loose.
From the GAA Master Fixture List 2022, published Dec 2021, as regards the Tailteann Cup (look at second bullet point):
• The Championship shall be played on a knock-out basis.
• Round 1 and the Quarter Finals shall be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections.
• The Central Competitions Control Committee shall decide on an annual basis which Counties shall be included in each Section.
• The Draws shall be conducted by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• A Preliminary Round may be played if there are more than 16 eligible teams.
• New York, will enter the competition at the Quarter-Final stage.
• All games will be winner on the day.
Ah Mod will you stop with yer oul facts.
You'll prevent pages of outrage and moaning :D
Wonder who will be the first county to pull out ?
Quote from: FermGael on May 09, 2022, 09:11:02 PM
Wonder who will be the first county to pull out ?
Any team who pulls out will be suspended for the first game of next year's championship, which means they would be out of the entirety of next year's championship.
No county is going to pull out.
The Northern and Southern sections is just daft
Quote from: tintin25 on May 09, 2022, 09:19:06 PM
The Northern and Southern sections is just daft
Can't help think this was dreamt up back when COVID was much more of a factor.
Also possibly an effort to save money for Division 3/4 county boards.
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2022, 08:59:30 PM
A farce if the proposal doing rounds is right.
The GAA is been run shockingly bad in recent years - venues, ticketing, structures, u-turns, etc etc. simple things are dragged into headlines with uncertainty and speculation before the inevitable announcement. Never seem to get ahead and their own spin in place.
Competition weeks from starting and only now has a format come into public domain via leaks. And it's not what was expected and belittling with regional format.
And you can be sure the regional nature be loose.
Agree. Croke Park needs total overhaul. I'm not sure is it about the current president or where the power actually lies anymore. Is it Tom Ryan the managing director? The various committees and councils making bad decisions and hiding behind anonymity.
But GAA is being ran badly for several years now and there is very little justification or transparency anymore from Croke Park. All that seems to matter is the cash coming in. Even then their ticketing farce is a case in point. About 5 different apps at this stage and falsely claiming shops are selling tickets when they aren't.
Before we get to awful scheduling, promotion or marketing etc.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
From the GAA Master Fixture List 2022, published Dec 2021, as regards the Tailteann Cup (look at second bullet point):
• The Championship shall be played on a knock-out basis.
• Round 1 and the Quarter Finals shall be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections.
• The Central Competitions Control Committee shall decide on an annual basis which Counties shall be included in each Section.
• The Draws shall be conducted by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• A Preliminary Round may be played if there are more than 16 eligible teams.
• New York, will enter the competition at the Quarter-Final stage.
• All games will be winner on the day.
The biggest c**k up with this competition and there are many, is not playing it before the All-Ireland senior football final.
The tradition of playing the minor game (btw now U17) instead of it is daft.
As someone who typically went to watch the minor game, I now have decided that showing up at 1.15pm to watch a U17 game does not do it for me.
The place is half empty even well into the second half.
Quote from: joemamas on May 09, 2022, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
From the GAA Master Fixture List 2022, published Dec 2021, as regards the Tailteann Cup (look at second bullet point):
• The Championship shall be played on a knock-out basis.
• Round 1 and the Quarter Finals shall be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections.
• The Central Competitions Control Committee shall decide on an annual basis which Counties shall be included in each Section.
• The Draws shall be conducted by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• A Preliminary Round may be played if there are more than 16 eligible teams.
• New York, will enter the competition at the Quarter-Final stage.
• All games will be winner on the day.
The biggest c**k up with this competition and there are many, is not playing it before the All-Ireland senior football final.
The tradition of playing the minor game (btw now U17) instead of it is daft.
As someone who typically went to watch the minor game, I now have decided that showing up at 1.15pm to watch a U17 game does not do it for me.
The place is half empty even well into the second half.
I'd understood the Tailteann final was to be the curtain-raiser; has this been changed? If so, an absurd decision.
Quote from: FermGael on May 09, 2022, 09:11:02 PM
Wonder who will be the first county to pull out ?
you think there will be a team that pulls out
Quote from: tintin25 on May 09, 2022, 09:19:06 PM
The Northern and Southern sections is just daft
Indeed total nonsense especially with New York and London in it and NY getting a bye to quarter final plus a preliminary round.
Guessing
North = Down Fermanagh Antrim Cavan Leitrim Sligo Longford and NY/London
South = Carlow Wexford Waterford Wicklow Westmeath Laois Tipperary Offaly and NY/London
I'm assuming London/NY are kept in opposite sections and Westmeath go into South otherwise having Westmeath in North and other two in South would be absurd.
Quote from: befair on May 09, 2022, 09:50:40 PM
Quote from: joemamas on May 09, 2022, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
From the GAA Master Fixture List 2022, published Dec 2021, as regards the Tailteann Cup (look at second bullet point):
• The Championship shall be played on a knock-out basis.
• Round 1 and the Quarter Finals shall be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections.
• The Central Competitions Control Committee shall decide on an annual basis which Counties shall be included in each Section.
• The Draws shall be conducted by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• A Preliminary Round may be played if there are more than 16 eligible teams.
• New York, will enter the competition at the Quarter-Final stage.
• All games will be winner on the day.
The biggest c**k up with this competition and there are many, is not playing it before the All-Ireland senior football final.
The tradition of playing the minor game (btw now U17) instead of it is daft.
As someone who typically went to watch the minor game, I now have decided that showing up at 1.15pm to watch a U17 game does not do it for me.
The place is half empty even well into the second half.
I'd understood the Tailteann final was to be the curtain-raiser; has this been changed? If so, an absurd decision.
Tailteann Cup final was always fixed a curtain raiser to one Sam Maguire semi-final on Saturday, July 9.
so they are splitting it into a north and south section well that is not kind of good so there wont be the chance of fermanagh fans having a day out in waterford is that the gaa thinking well its only a tailteaan cup fans wont want to travel far
https://twitter.com/clucker60/status/1523705104586911744
Have to agree with McCluskey. How on earth do New York get a bye skipping 2 rounds? Is the gaa president involved?
How can it be split regionally if qualifiers aren't? Why is it being split regionally not open draw?
There are tweets now suggesting Larry McCarthy the President from New York got them a bye through 2 rounds. I seriously hope not but since there is no transparency why it happened....?
I noticed some tweets under McCluskeys that from Eamon O"Hara, Seanie Johnston and Wooly Parkinson. Most them either involved or fairly close with teams in this Tailteann.
As O'Hara put it you can't market a bucket of shite lol
https://www.the42.ie/leitrim-andy-moran-tailteann-cup-5758428-May2022/
Andy Moran not happy at all with it.
Clear now Tom Ryan and the other money grabbers in Croke Park just wanted to shove the smaller counties out of the way and into the wilderness after years of underfunding them. Its about time the suits in Croke Park started getting their act together and not hiding from their decisions.
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 12:58:30 AM
I noticed some tweets under McCluskeys that from Eamon O"Hara, Seanie Johnston and Wooly Parkinson. Most them either involved or fairly close with teams in this Tailteann.
As O'Hara put it you can't market a bucket of shite lol
A common theme on this thread is that the less likely your county is to be involved in the Tailteann, the more you land in favour of it. And vice versa.
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That's pretty what I want myself. I'd like the leagues to be finishing up around now - mid May - and used to determine championship places. And as many players returned to their clubs as quickly as possible between now and the AI final end of July.
To what end? Who will benefit from players being back with their clubs as soon as possible? Is that going to inspire the kids of Down to choose Gaelic games as their sport of choice, to play and to support? A 5 month window with a league played in appalling conditions making the quality poor and spectating a penance reserved for the diehard. A championship campaign consisting of one game at the end of April and a tailteann cup game 4 weeks later, certainly going to capture the imagination there!
You and Milltown need to remember that players are not forced to play intercounty football, it's a choice, for those that choose it, we should give them something that will attract attention, give them the competition that they and supporters deserve.
This whole condensed season is an appalling own goal by the gaa, this weekend being a case in point, top quality hurling and football all on at the same time, meanwhile in another week, there'll be just 6 teams left in the Liam McCarthy, that after a league that was played at half pace as it was too close to championship.
I love championship time, the colour, the build up, the atmosphere and I can assure you, it's not been often that my own county has been there past early July! But that never dampened my enthusiasm, I'm not looking forward to an August bereft of Gaelic games this time around. You can say go the club, will there even he competitions of note taking place in August? I am involved in my local club on a number of fronts, but living in Dublin that is unusual. The vast majority of the populace know only the intercounty game, for them, gaa will be April to July. For all the positives from the club scene, it just will not attract a fraction of the attention that intercounty does (not helped by spectacles like last year's Dublin county final). Let this year be an experiment that needs tweaking, I understand the problems, but this shortening of the season is not the answer.
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Quote from: tintin25 on May 09, 2022, 09:19:06 PM
The Northern and Southern sections is just daft
4 of the top 5 in the bookies would be in a North section, so if they did this at quarter finals, the top 4 would be playing each other. They messed up this in the Leagues last year with their geographical sections. It's beyond daft. We're not like the UK, the distances on a knockout tournament between counties should not be such a big deal as they continually make them out to be. I'd happily travel. Just don't understand the thinking and rationale.
They've tried to sell us a dead duck here. It's dead on arrival, they couldn't have botched this any more if they tried.
The more you read on this the more of a farce it looks. This thing could have legs if done right. I'm from Antrim and I'm sick of the sight of ulster teams in championships too so would rather see someone from another province!!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
It's a split season that allows plenty of time for those players with their clubs once the inter County season ends.
Should be a honour to represent your county and this is competition with the opportunity to win a trophy in Croke Park.
So you have them for a bit then they go away again ? Aye it's an honour like the Tommy cooper cup.. they'll be writing songs about the winners and films made about the rise from div 4 to Sam Maguire!
You complained about the provincial championships previously and now writing off the Tailteann Cup before it begins. So you want your own Antrim county players play one championship match and those players be let back to their clubs?
I've been very plain from the start, you have a intermediate championship, and a senior championship , no back doors or any of that crap of round robins or group formats, Intermediate winners move up and if you are div 2 or 1 you play for Sam, everyone else has to earn that right by either winning their leagues to move up or winning the intermediate. Why are we wanting to stretch the championship?
Once you are out then the county can get back to normality and counties won't be spending fortunes on the running of their teams
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Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
It's a split season that allows plenty of time for those players with their clubs once the inter County season ends.
Should be a honour to represent your county and this is competition with the opportunity to win a trophy in Croke Park.
So you have them for a bit then they go away again ? Aye it's an honour like the Tommy cooper cup.. they'll be writing songs about the winners and films made about the rise from div 4 to Sam Maguire!
You complained about the provincial championships previously and now writing off the Tailteann Cup before it begins. So you want your own Antrim county players play one championship match and those players be let back to their clubs?
I've been very plain from the start, you have a intermediate championship, and a senior championship , no back doors or any of that crap of round robins or group formats, Intermediate winners move up and if you are div 2 or 1 you play for Sam, everyone else has to earn that right by either winning their leagues to move up or winning the intermediate. Why are we wanting to stretch the championship?
Once you are out then the county can get back to normality and counties won't be spending fortunes on the running of their teams
There's the elephant in the room right there people, one of the main reasons for the condensed season.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 10, 2022, 09:05:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 10, 2022, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 06:52:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
It's a split season that allows plenty of time for those players with their clubs once the inter County season ends.
Should be a honour to represent your county and this is competition with the opportunity to win a trophy in Croke Park.
So you have them for a bit then they go away again ? Aye it's an honour like the Tommy cooper cup.. they'll be writing songs about the winners and films made about the rise from div 4 to Sam Maguire!
You complained about the provincial championships previously and now writing off the Tailteann Cup before it begins. So you want your own Antrim county players play one championship match and those players be let back to their clubs?
I've been very plain from the start, you have a intermediate championship, and a senior championship , no back doors or any of that crap of round robins or group formats, Intermediate winners move up and if you are div 2 or 1 you play for Sam, everyone else has to earn that right by either winning their leagues to move up or winning the intermediate. Why are we wanting to stretch the championship?
Once you are out then the county can get back to normality and counties won't be spending fortunes on the running of their teams
There's the elephant in the room right there people, one of the main reasons for the condensed season.
Maybe the reduction in revenue as years go on will show the shortsightedness of that approach? You would imagine there are other more effective ways to tackle that issue
Quote from: onefineday on May 10, 2022, 01:26:02 AM
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That's pretty what I want myself. I'd like the leagues to be finishing up around now - mid May - and used to determine championship places. And as many players returned to their clubs as quickly as possible between now and the AI final end of July.
To what end? Who will benefit from players being back with their clubs as soon as possible? Is that going to inspire the kids of Down to choose Gaelic games as their sport of choice, to play and to support? A 5 month window with a league played in appalling conditions making the quality poor and spectating a penance reserved for the diehard. A championship campaign consisting of one game at the end of April and a tailteann cup game 4 weeks later, certainly going to capture the imagination there!
You and Milltown need to remember that players are not forced to play intercounty football, it's a choice, for those that choose it, we should give them something that will attract attention, give them the competition that they and supporters deserve.
This whole condensed season is an appalling own goal by the gaa, this weekend being a case in point, top quality hurling and football all on at the same time, meanwhile in another week, there'll be just 6 teams left in the Liam McCarthy, that after a league that was played at half pace as it was too close to championship.
I love championship time, the colour, the build up, the atmosphere and I can assure you, it's not been often that my own county has been there past early July! But that never dampened my enthusiasm, I'm not looking forward to an August bereft of Gaelic games this time around. You can say go the club, will there even he competitions of note taking place in August? I am involved in my local club on a number of fronts, but living in Dublin that is unusual. The vast majority of the populace know only the intercounty game, for them, gaa will be April to July. For all the positives from the club scene, it just will not attract a fraction of the attention that intercounty does (not helped by spectacles like last year's Dublin county final). Let this year be an experiment that needs tweaking, I understand the problems, but this shortening of the season is not the answer.
You and many others are confused about the GAA.
It is an amateur sport that survives and thrives on community involvement. Its role is not to generate attentions or capture imaginations. These are the byproducts of pride of place. They are not the role of the game.
QuoteFermanagh and Cavan selectors Ryan McCluskey and Seánie Johnston have become the latest management figures to hit out at the regionalisation of the Tailteann Cup.
The new secondary championship, due to start on May 28, will be broken up into northern and southern divisions for the first round and the quarter-finals.
The split, which will be decided by the Central Competitions Control Committee, could see all four of Ulster's Tailteann Cup counties in the same draw – Antrim, Cavan, Down and Fermanagh. They could be joined by Leitrim, Longford, Sligo and possibly London or Westmeath if the latter lose to Kildare in this Sunday's Leinster semi-final.
Like last year's Allianz League divisional break-up, it would appear the northern division could be top heavy, while New York have a bye into the quarter-finals. The composition as well as the exception made for New York has been questioned by McCluskey. "If this is legit, then lord of God who actually is behind it," he posted on Twitter. "New York get 2 byes and then regional games for what reason?"
Responding to Johnston, Cavan man Johnston wrote: "It's a scandal, why is this not an open draw? What's the reasons behind regional fixtures?
"Are the qualifiers gone regional? If regional is the way forward then why have the qualifiers not gone this route? When is the draw?? How is it being marketed? Give the players answers."
Following Sunday's comprehensive Connacht semi-final loss to Galway, Leitrim boss Andy Moran also expressed his opposition to the first two stages of the Tailteann Cup being played on a geographical basis.
"I'd be disappointed with the way they set it up. That north-south thing was new to me. It came from nowhere last week and I don't know if that's going ahead."
Moran claimed the Tailteann Cup had been sold to counties as a round-robin competition but that format is set to come in next season with the overhaul of the All-Ireland SFC. Sligo manager Tony McEntee says his group are looking forward to playing in the new competition.
The draw takes place this Sunday while the first round of the All-Ireland qualifiers is also due to be staged. A preliminary backdoor round will not be required if both remaining Division 3 teams Tipperary and Westmeath are beaten in their respective provincial semi-finals this weekend.
Meanwhile, the U20 All-Ireland football final between Kildare and Tyrone has been scheduled for Carrick-on-Shannon this Saturday evening (5pm, live on TG4). Kingspan Breffni had been mooted while Kildare's management had requested Croke Park for the game.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40868843.html
QuoteThe split, which will be decided by the Central Competitions Control Committee, could see all four of Ulster's Tailteann Cup counties in the same draw – Antrim, Cavan, Down and Fermanagh. They could be joined by Leitrim, Longford, Sligo and possibly London or Westmeath if the latter lose to Kildare in this Sunday's Leinster semi-final.
Is this farce being ran by CCCC? If so why are their members not in the public domain, or is it so secretive.
QuoteFORMER Donegal football star Martin McHugh has been appointed to the high-powered Central Competitions Controls Committee of the GAA.
The Kilcar man has been confirmed on the new CCCC, which was installed after Saturday's annual GAA Congress.
McHugh, a 1992 All-Ireland winner, will work under the new CCCC Chair, the Leinster vice-chair Derek Kent.
McHugh is joined by John Halbert (Cork), Mary Judge (Galway), and ex-Meath captain Seamus Kenny on the new CCCC, which is to be in position for the duration of the new GAA President Larry McCarthy.
If it's anything like other GAA commitees in HQ it's a bunch of unknown solicitors and accountants thrown in plus it seems Martin McHugh and Larry McCarthy.
Apparently Westmeath will be in the Northern section too which is a total farce. So least 7 of the top 9 favourites with the bookies will be in the one Northern section. And the GAA presidents team gets a bye for 2 rounds and into weak section. And if you don't play you get banned from next years championship.
Utter disgrace.
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:19:34 AM
Apparently Westmeath will be in the Northern section too which is a total farce. So least 7 of the top 9 favourites with the bookies will be in the one Northern section. And the GAA presidents team gets a bye for 2 rounds and into weak section. And if you don't play you get banned from next championship.
Utter disgrace.
The idea of a secondary competition is a good one but only if properly ran. Why on earth the GAA want to mess it up with talk of north and south sections and group games I have no idea. Incompetent gobshites
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2022, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:19:34 AM
Apparently Westmeath will be in the Northern section too which is a total farce. So least 7 of the top 9 favourites with the bookies will be in the one Northern section. And the GAA presidents team gets a bye for 2 rounds and into weak section. And if you don't play you get banned from next championship.
Utter disgrace.
The idea of a secondary competition is a good one but only if properly ran. Why on earth the GAA want to mess it up with talk of north and south sections and group games I have no idea. Incompetent gobshites
The sad thing is many knew the GAA were too incompetent to do it right from the start and of course the GAA proved them right. Even GAA pundits knew it needed to be promoted and done right but questioned whether GAA would do so.
was the gaa provincial system created in a time where travelling was harder due to roads and vehicles and the cost of it now inter county teams have funds and transport is easier is the provincial system at inter country level outdated.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 10, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
was the gaa provincial system created in a time where travelling was harder due to roads and vehicles and the cost of it now inter county teams have funds and transport is easier is the provincial system at inter country level outdated.
Certainly doesn't feel outdated in Ulster although I can't speak for other provinces
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:10:27 AM
QuoteFermanagh and Cavan selectors Ryan McCluskey and Seánie Johnston have become the latest management figures to hit out at the regionalisation of the Tailteann Cup.
The new secondary championship, due to start on May 28, will be broken up into northern and southern divisions for the first round and the quarter-finals.
The split, which will be decided by the Central Competitions Control Committee, could see all four of Ulster's Tailteann Cup counties in the same draw – Antrim, Cavan, Down and Fermanagh. They could be joined by Leitrim, Longford, Sligo and possibly London or Westmeath if the latter lose to Kildare in this Sunday's Leinster semi-final.
Like last year's Allianz League divisional break-up, it would appear the northern division could be top heavy, while New York have a bye into the quarter-finals. The composition as well as the exception made for New York has been questioned by McCluskey. "If this is legit, then lord of God who actually is behind it," he posted on Twitter. "New York get 2 byes and then regional games for what reason?"
Responding to Johnston, Cavan man Johnston wrote: "It's a scandal, why is this not an open draw? What's the reasons behind regional fixtures?
"Are the qualifiers gone regional? If regional is the way forward then why have the qualifiers not gone this route? When is the draw?? How is it being marketed? Give the players answers."
Following Sunday's comprehensive Connacht semi-final loss to Galway, Leitrim boss Andy Moran also expressed his opposition to the first two stages of the Tailteann Cup being played on a geographical basis.
"I'd be disappointed with the way they set it up. That north-south thing was new to me. It came from nowhere last week and I don't know if that's going ahead."
Moran claimed the Tailteann Cup had been sold to counties as a round-robin competition but that format is set to come in next season with the overhaul of the All-Ireland SFC. Sligo manager Tony McEntee says his group are looking forward to playing in the new competition.
The draw takes place this Sunday while the first round of the All-Ireland qualifiers is also due to be staged. A preliminary backdoor round will not be required if both remaining Division 3 teams Tipperary and Westmeath are beaten in their respective provincial semi-finals this weekend.
Meanwhile, the U20 All-Ireland football final between Kildare and Tyrone has been scheduled for Carrick-on-Shannon this Saturday evening (5pm, live on TG4). Kingspan Breffni had been mooted while Kildare's management had requested Croke Park for the game.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40868843.html
It is a scandal. It is also a scandal that yon little p***k Johnston has come out from under his rock and is now talking to media on behalf of Cavan GAA.
Wait til you see, they'll change it to open draw...making it up as they go along
Some info on CCCC membership.
Are the 4 Provincial Secs/CEOs on it too?
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/03/03/major-appointments-for-two-mayo-gaa-stalwarts/
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2022, 12:32:26 PM
It is a scandal. It is also a scandal that yon little p***k Johnston has come out from under his rock and is now talking to media on behalf of Cavan GAA.
They got the quote from his twitter
Quote from: thewobbler on May 10, 2022, 09:32:19 AM
Quote from: onefineday on May 10, 2022, 01:26:02 AM
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That's pretty what I want myself. I'd like the leagues to be finishing up around now - mid May - and used to determine championship places. And as many players returned to their clubs as quickly as possible between now and the AI final end of July.
To what end? Who will benefit from players being back with their clubs as soon as possible? Is that going to inspire the kids of Down to choose Gaelic games as their sport of choice, to play and to support? A 5 month window with a league played in appalling conditions making the quality poor and spectating a penance reserved for the diehard. A championship campaign consisting of one game at the end of April and a tailteann cup game 4 weeks later, certainly going to capture the imagination there!
You and Milltown need to remember that players are not forced to play intercounty football, it's a choice, for those that choose it, we should give them something that will attract attention, give them the competition that they and supporters deserve.
This whole condensed season is an appalling own goal by the gaa, this weekend being a case in point, top quality hurling and football all on at the same time, meanwhile in another week, there'll be just 6 teams left in the Liam McCarthy, that after a league that was played at half pace as it was too close to championship.
I love championship time, the colour, the build up, the atmosphere and I can assure you, it's not been often that my own county has been there past early July! But that never dampened my enthusiasm, I'm not looking forward to an August bereft of Gaelic games this time around. You can say go the club, will there even he competitions of note taking place in August? I am involved in my local club on a number of fronts, but living in Dublin that is unusual. The vast majority of the populace know only the intercounty game, for them, gaa will be April to July. For all the positives from the club scene, it just will not attract a fraction of the attention that intercounty does (not helped by spectacles like last year's Dublin county final). Let this year be an experiment that needs tweaking, I understand the problems, but this shortening of the season is not the answer.
You and many others are confused about the GAA.
It is an amateur sport that survives and thrives on community involvement. Its role is not to generate attentions or capture imaginations. These are the byproducts of pride of place. They are not the role of the game.
And your interpretation is the only one available??
Unfortunately it doesn't stand up well to scrutiny, notwithstanding semantics, the GAA's mission is to develop and promote Gaelic games, culture and lifelong participation.
Promotion of the game requires that attentions and imaginations are captured. Without that the organisation reduces in significance and the younger generations drift away, meaning that participation is for a short window up until the age of 15.
I don't know what type of club or community you're from, but I've experienced both small rural club and large city club. Your comments can hold up for smaller clubs, but are not relevant for city clubs and like it or not, less than 40% of the population live in rural communities at this time.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2022, 01:37:10 PM
Some info on CCCC membership.
Are the 4 Provincial Secs/CEOs on it too?
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/03/03/major-appointments-for-two-mayo-gaa-stalwarts/
Never heard of any of them barring McHugh. I did read the 4 Provincial chairmen were involved but not sure if that is still the case as there is very little info on that committee or their actions.
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tailteann-cup/winner
If a lot of teams don't take it seriously, Longford at 25/1 might be worth a flutter
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tailteann-cup/winner
If a lot of teams don't take it seriously, Longford at 25/1 might be worth a flutter
Cavan should walk it. Tipp maybe worth a bet?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2022, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tailteann-cup/winner
If a lot of teams don't take it seriously, Longford at 25/1 might be worth a flutter
Cavan should walk it. Tipp maybe worth a bet?
Tipp might not be in it if they win this weekend...
Quote from: johnnycool on May 10, 2022, 09:05:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 10, 2022, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 06:52:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
This year is straight knock out. Next year this competition becomes a group format.
More time wasting routines ffs! Its beyond a joke with the amount of time players are away from their clubs at the minute but now they are going to be stretching the season out further to win the second tier cup
It's a split season that allows plenty of time for those players with their clubs once the inter County season ends.
Should be a honour to represent your county and this is competition with the opportunity to win a trophy in Croke Park.
So you have them for a bit then they go away again ? Aye it's an honour like the Tommy cooper cup.. they'll be writing songs about the winners and films made about the rise from div 4 to Sam Maguire!
You complained about the provincial championships previously and now writing off the Tailteann Cup before it begins. So you want your own Antrim county players play one championship match and those players be let back to their clubs?
I've been very plain from the start, you have a intermediate championship, and a senior championship , no back doors or any of that crap of round robins or group formats, Intermediate winners move up and if you are div 2 or 1 you play for Sam, everyone else has to earn that right by either winning their leagues to move up or winning the intermediate. Why are we wanting to stretch the championship?
Once you are out then the county can get back to normality and counties won't be spending fortunes on the running of their teams
There's the elephant in the room right there people, one of the main reasons for the condensed season.
1000% correct.
I said that same thing to a few people months ago. GAA has become moneyball.
County boards have lost the power struggle with managers and players of Intercounty senior teams.
In addition to Managers and selectors, we have Physios, Doctors, goalkeeping coaching, dieticians, logistics, Proctologists( to ensure that anyone of the previous listed seven groups, does not get their head completely stuck up their arse).
So county boards went to Croke Park showed them the money they were spending or in a lot of cases wasting.
Croke Parks find a lazy answer or really stupid answer lets have only four county football teams left in the championship on June 30th. Sorry make that six the Tailteann cup finalists.
We will make up the revenue difference by holding concerts or American football in Croke Park from mid August on.
Forget the lack of attention of Gaelic games from Mid July on, Soccer (premier league begins in early august and Rugby will fill that void for GAA folks ::) ::).
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tailteann-cup/winner
If a lot of teams don't take it seriously, Longford at 25/1 might be worth a flutter
They will probably be in the Northern section though so going to be more difficult.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2022, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tailteann-cup/winner
If a lot of teams don't take it seriously, Longford at 25/1 might be worth a flutter
Cavan should walk it. Tipp maybe worth a bet?
Depends on how serious Cavan takes this competition will key players make themselves available for it etc. It was clear on Sunday one of main motivators was to avoid Tailteann cup.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 10, 2022, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2022, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tailteann-cup/winner
If a lot of teams don't take it seriously, Longford at 25/1 might be worth a flutter
Cavan should walk it. Tipp maybe worth a bet?
Depends on how serious Cavan takes this competition will key players make themselves available for it etc. It was clear on Sunday one of main motivators was to avoid Tailteann cup.
On what basis do you say that? I only heard of one motivation, to win ulster. Everything else is hearsay.
Anyone who thinks Cavan will walk this doesn't know much about Cavan. This team doesn't do anything the easy way and tends to struggle against inferior opposition.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-cavan-are-the-cuckoo-in-the-tailteann-cups-flimsy-nest-41636920.html
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2022, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tailteann-cup/winner
If a lot of teams don't take it seriously, Longford at 25/1 might be worth a flutter
Cavan should walk it. Tipp maybe worth a bet?
Tipp will struggle without Quinlivan. Westmeath would be decent bet.
if tailteaan cup winners got into all ireland the same season it just be seen as another section of the back door qualifiers and the bigger teams may say why are weakers teams getting an easier back door.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 11, 2022, 12:38:04 AM
if tailteaan cup winners got into all ireland the same season it just be seen as another section of the back door qualifiers and the bigger teams may say why are weakers teams getting an easier back door.
That's probably the first bit of sense that you have posted.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 10, 2022, 11:04:07 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2022, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tailteann-cup/winner
If a lot of teams don't take it seriously, Longford at 25/1 might be worth a flutter
Cavan should walk it. Tipp maybe worth a bet?
Tipp will struggle without Quinlivan. Westmeath would be decent bet.
I read recently that only 6 of Tipps starting 15 from their 2020 Munster winning team remains.
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-cavan-are-the-cuckoo-in-the-tailteann-cups-flimsy-nest-41636920.html
Saw that headline alright. Anyone able to paste in the text of the article? It's behind a paywall and I'll not get to buy the paper today...
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-cavan-are-the-cuckoo-in-the-tailteann-cups-flimsy-nest-41636920.html
Saw that headline alright. Anyone able to paste in the text of the article? It's behind a paywall and I'll not get to buy the paper today...
Its written by Martin Brehony, safest thing is to leave it behind a pay wall. Reading a lot of crap about Cavan shouldnt be in the Tailtean Cup. Well we are and we are because we allowed ourselves to get relegated 2 years in a row. Suck it up I say and get on with it. It happens in club football all the time, a team going down that probably shouldnt.
The old "too good to go down" syndrome.
The right thing to do is roll up the sleeves and try to be good enough to get back up.
As for Breheny....behind a wall (abut 5m high) is the place for him alright.
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2022, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-cavan-are-the-cuckoo-in-the-tailteann-cups-flimsy-nest-41636920.html
Saw that headline alright. Anyone able to paste in the text of the article? It's behind a paywall and I'll not get to buy the paper today...
Its written by Martin Brehony, safest thing is to leave it behind a pay wall. Reading a lot of crap about Cavan shouldnt be in the Tailtean Cup. Well we are and we are because we allowed ourselves to get relegated 2 years in a row. Suck it up I say and get on with it. It happens in club football all the time, a team going down that probably shouldnt.
I get you, just interested in what is said. And I know that, but I've always had issue with the fact we linked League and Championship, especially after 2 Covid disrupted Leagues. That farce last year of a 3 game League based on geographic split was just a pure joke. And then to link how you get on in Championship is head scratching to me. We shouldn't have put ourselves in this position, but teh setup at that time was ridiculous imo.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2022, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-cavan-are-the-cuckoo-in-the-tailteann-cups-flimsy-nest-41636920.html
Saw that headline alright. Anyone able to paste in the text of the article? It's behind a paywall and I'll not get to buy the paper today...
Its written by Martin Brehony, safest thing is to leave it behind a pay wall. Reading a lot of crap about Cavan shouldnt be in the Tailtean Cup. Well we are and we are because we allowed ourselves to get relegated 2 years in a row. Suck it up I say and get on with it. It happens in club football all the time, a team going down that probably shouldnt.
I get you, just interested in what is said. And I know that, but I've always had issue with the fact we linked League and Championship, especially after 2 Covid disrupted Leagues. That farce last year of a 3 game League based on geographic split was just a pure joke. And then to link how you get on in Championship is head scratching to me. We shouldn't have put ourselves in this position, but teh setup at that time was ridiculous imo.
It wasnt ideal but we had to start somewhere. I like the idea of linking league to championship, it ups the importance of the league which for me is a good thing. But all this was known before that league campaign and it was up to Cavan to avoid it. All we had to do was beat Wicklow and we didnt so thats where we are.
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2022, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-cavan-are-the-cuckoo-in-the-tailteann-cups-flimsy-nest-41636920.html
Saw that headline alright. Anyone able to paste in the text of the article? It's behind a paywall and I'll not get to buy the paper today...
Its written by Martin Brehony, safest thing is to leave it behind a pay wall. Reading a lot of crap about Cavan shouldnt be in the Tailtean Cup. Well we are and we are because we allowed ourselves to get relegated 2 years in a row. Suck it up I say and get on with it. It happens in club football all the time, a team going down that probably shouldnt.
Fully agree with this. We knew the potential consequences before that Wicklow game and still got caught.
I think it's a good test for the squad now. There's a readymade excuse for failure in this competition, people will say they just didn't take it seriously. I'll be impressed if they buckle down and approach these games with the mentality we have seen from Mickey's teams during the championship up to now. I would only have us as slight favourites over Down, Westmeath, Fermanagh.
Martin Breheny seems to be constantly looking for problems in the GAA competition format and rules. Is it not journalists likes him that have driven the never ending review of rules and structures by the GAA? Time to stop listening and if they don't feckin like it, perhaps they're reporting on the wrong sports.
Quote from: APM on May 11, 2022, 10:13:56 AM
Martin Breheny seems to be constantly looking for problems in the GAA competition format and rules. Is it not journalists likes him that have driven the never ending review of rules and structures by the GAA? Time to stop listening and if they don't feckin like it, perhaps they're reporting on the wrong sports.
Brehony is one of the worst out there. If hes not writing garbage he is making lists of the top 10 x,y and z to fill pages. Why the indo keeps him behind a pay wall like he is some hidden gem is hilarious but at least it means I don't have to read his every thought.
Westmeath have lots of good footballers, Heslin, Ronan O Toole, Kieran Martin, Ray Connellan. They should give Kildare a decent game in Leinster,but Kildare should come through.
Tipperary v Limerick should be close. It went to extra time in 2020. Tipperary need to win to avoid playing in Tailtean Cup. Stephen O Brien is back playing with them, missed the whole league
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2022, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 09:14:00 AM
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Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-cavan-are-the-cuckoo-in-the-tailteann-cups-flimsy-nest-41636920.html
Saw that headline alright. Anyone able to paste in the text of the article? It's behind a paywall and I'll not get to buy the paper today...
Its written by Martin Brehony, safest thing is to leave it behind a pay wall. Reading a lot of crap about Cavan shouldnt be in the Tailtean Cup. Well we are and we are because we allowed ourselves to get relegated 2 years in a row. Suck it up I say and get on with it. It happens in club football all the time, a team going down that probably shouldnt.
I get you, just interested in what is said. And I know that, but I've always had issue with the fact we linked League and Championship, especially after 2 Covid disrupted Leagues. That farce last year of a 3 game League based on geographic split was just a pure joke. And then to link how you get on in Championship is head scratching to me. We shouldn't have put ourselves in this position, but teh setup at that time was ridiculous imo.
It wasnt ideal but we had to start somewhere. I like the idea of linking league to championship, it ups the importance of the league which for me is a good thing. But all this was known before that league campaign and it was up to Cavan to avoid it. All we had to do was beat Wicklow and we didnt so thats where we are.
Oh like I completely agree. I just do think these weren't the years to be linking both, after the issues the last few years with the pandemic. Like that Wicklow game was a complete embarrassment. We outscore them, but they got goals at critical times and that's us down. But I've bigger issue before we even get to that. The layout last year was a joke. The North section was far harder than the South. They literally drew an arbitrary line, and said 3 games, and then we decide if you're up or down on playoffs. Should have had neither last year. Promotion or relegation after half a season was not right in my opinion.
And especially after the way last year went. We had Covid in camp, couldn't train at one point, while the North opened up maybe 4 or 5 weeks earlier than us? Fermanagh and Derry were over a month ahead of us, playing challenge games, we had a week or so of collective training and no challenges after opening up to get ready. We were caught cold in some of those games as we were behind, and then injuries, a man sent off v Fermanagh and there is no room for error. And still, it took a 75th minute Fermanagh point v Longford for them to go into promotion playoff and not us. A literal kick of a ball, and we'd have been likely playing Division 2 this year instead. It was a mad proposal overall that hinged on so few games. But that Wicklow game though. Jeez that was horrendous...
Dowm have lost 4 players
Kilcoo defender Ryan McEvoy, who started that 0-23 to 2-7 loss in Clones, has left the panel, as has Gerdie Collins who came off the bench.
Mayobridge pair Cory Quinn and goalkeeper Charlie Smyth have also departed.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 10:50:00 AM
Westmeath have lots of good footballers, Heslin, Ronan O Toole, Kieran Martin, Ray Connellan. They should give Kildare a decent game in Leinster,but Kildare should come through.
Tipperary v Limerick should be close. It went to extra time in 2020. Tipperary need to win to avoid playing in Tailtean Cup. Stephen O Brien is back playing with them, missed the whole league
I think Tipp are well placed to win that. Be interesting if Limerick can keep up their impressive league results. Some of the bookies even have Tipp as favourite which is interesting.
I'd be very surprised if Westmeath bothered Kildare too much. This is surely Kildare's best chance in years of winning Leinster.
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I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
Re to Dreadnought
I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
You can argue the toss on how good or bad teams are but it is a fact the teams in the 6 counties had a month head start on training. Its irrelevant now anyway, we are where we are and need to make the best out of it
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
Re to Dreadnought
I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Tipperary were relegated last year, as were Wicklow this year. They lost every game in the group stage last year, and stayed up with a playoff ambush with 3 goals against Cavan. Offaly dropped back down this year too (might be promising players coming, but weren't there last year), and Limerick went up this year on the back of what looks to be a overall poor Division 3 this year.
By any measure, and by prior performances and standing, the North was harder. I just did not see any reason or rationale why it needed to be geographic split. It was nonsensical. A proper season with 7 games is the way to determine who goes up or down, not making up the rules as they go along. And then to draw the Championship based on this? Was a joke overall...
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 12:20:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
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I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Tipperary were relegated last year, as were Wicklow this year. They lost every game in the group stage last year, and stayed up with a playoff ambush with 3 goals against Cavan. Offaly dropped back down this year too (might be promising players coming, but weren't there last year), and Limerick went up this year on the back of what looks to be a overall poor Division 3 this year.
By any measure, and by prior performances and standing, the North was harder. I just did not see any reason or rationale why it needed to be geographic split. It was nonsensical. A proper season with 7 games is the way to determine who goes up or down, not making up the rules as they go along. And then to draw the Championship based on this? Was a joke overall...
Yeah the north south thing and 3 games thing was crazy last year especially given that this years championship was based off league standings, I'd have felt very hard done by if we'd went down last year without getting a proper rattle at division 1. Having said that, if Wicklow are beating you, you deserve all ye get!
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2022, 12:19:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
Re to Dreadnought
I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
You can argue the toss on how good or bad teams are but it is a fact the teams in the 6 counties had a month head start on training. Its irrelevant now anyway, we are where we are and need to make the best out of it
Well yeah exactly. It's done now, we move on. It was just so silly what they did when you look even slightly at it. We've just lost years of League development with this mad setup. But we'll make do, and try get up to Div 2 next year
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Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 12:20:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
Re to Dreadnought
I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Tipperary were relegated last year, as were Wicklow this year. They lost every game in the group stage last year, and stayed up with a playoff ambush with 3 goals against Cavan. Offaly dropped back down this year too (might be promising players coming, but weren't there last year), and Limerick went up this year on the back of what looks to be a overall poor Division 3 this year.
By any measure, and by prior performances and standing, the North was harder. I just did not see any reason or rationale why it needed to be geographic split. It was nonsensical. A proper season with 7 games is the way to determine who goes up or down, not making up the rules as they go along. And then to draw the Championship based on this? Was a joke overall...
Yeah the north south thing and 3 games thing was crazy last year especially given that this years championship was based off league standings, I'd have felt very hard done by if we'd went down last year without getting a proper rattle at division 1. Having said that, if Wicklow are beating you, you deserve all ye get!
Oh completely. that was an embarrassment, we did deserve it. Horrendous going. Pure ambush like, we outscored them but they got the goals at the right time. The thing is though, we were playing catch up all last year. Hangover after the Ulster win, can't get training, injuries, and behind the other Ulster counties. And despite that, we lost to Fermanagh by a point after being down a man for 3/4 of the game, beat Longford well, and lost by a few points to a Derry team who are now showing how good they are. We were scrambling for any modicum of form after the issues above, and got completely caught in the horror of it. My point is just it should never have got to that though, it was never equal for all teams starting out that League.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 12:20:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
Re to Dreadnought
I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Tipperary were relegated last year, as were Wicklow this year. They lost every game in the group stage last year, and stayed up with a playoff ambush with 3 goals against Cavan. Offaly dropped back down this year too (might be promising players coming, but weren't there last year), and Limerick went up this year on the back of what looks to be a overall poor Division 3 this year.
By any measure, and by prior performances and standing, the North was harder. I just did not see any reason or rationale why it needed to be geographic split. It was nonsensical. A proper season with 7 games is the way to determine who goes up or down, not making up the rules as they go along. And then to draw the Championship based on this? Was a joke overall...
Tipperary were without a number of players last year. They beat Cavan in the League and should have won the league final.
It was a short year last year because they had a short window with covid.
I don't know why its North and South this for the Tailtean Cup
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Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 12:20:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
Re to Dreadnought
I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Tipperary were relegated last year, as were Wicklow this year. They lost every game in the group stage last year, and stayed up with a playoff ambush with 3 goals against Cavan. Offaly dropped back down this year too (might be promising players coming, but weren't there last year), and Limerick went up this year on the back of what looks to be a overall poor Division 3 this year.
By any measure, and by prior performances and standing, the North was harder. I just did not see any reason or rationale why it needed to be geographic split. It was nonsensical. A proper season with 7 games is the way to determine who goes up or down, not making up the rules as they go along. And then to draw the Championship based on this? Was a joke overall...
Tipperary were without a number of players last year. They beat Cavan in the League and should have won the league final.
It was a short year last year because they had a short window with covid.
I don't know why its North and South this for the Tailtean Cup
As were Cavan, with lads out with Covid and such. And yes, they won in the League stage this year, but why should they have won in the final? Cavan were deservedly ahead at the end, getting the goals when needed and such. 4 worldie points by Tipp midfielder kept them in it. And sure they hit the bar, but that alone doesn't mean they should have won. If that's the logic then we can say Cavan should have won Sunday as they hit the bar too. If my Auntie had balls...
And yes it was a Covid disrupted year, yet they finished the finals early last year. There was time. or at least don't put so much on so few games. there was talk the year before about suspending promotion or relegation. I just think it was silly to do so on so few games, when it affected some teams more than others depending on lockdowns, or how Covid affected their squad was. It was never a good idea, especially then basing the split Championship on League positions the year after.
I don't know either. there is really no need for it, considering the teams from each likely play each other regularly anyway in their own provincial championship.
Whatever about last years north/south and unfair relegation it was because of covid. No such excuse now. Totally agree with Dreadnought re most of the teams play each other in provincials anyway.
At least there might be some bit of novelty if all the teams were in 1 pot and open draw.
Seems the draw will be on a Monday morning presumably on RTÉ radio sports bulletin.
Could they not have made a bit of a fuss, have it on the Sunday game from Croker with maybe the Co Chairs and Team managers in attendance and give them an oul free dinner?
And same with the Qualifiers.
From RTÉ
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The draw for the opening round of the Tailteann Cup, the new second tier competition in Gaelic football, will take place this Monday live on RTÉ Radio 1 at 8:35am and streamed live on the RTÉ News channel.
The knockout competition will be regionalised up until the quarter-final stage.
There will be 14 teams participating in the first round, with North and South groupings of fixtures drawn.
A total of 15 counties have already qualified; Antrim, Down, Fermanagh, Cavan, Longford, Offaly, Laois, Carlow, Wicklow, Wexford, Waterford, Sligo, Leitrim, London and New York (who get a bye to the quarter-finals).
If either Westmeath or Tipperary are defeated in provincial semi-finals this weekend a preliminary round will be required to reduce the number of first round teams to 14. Two preliminary round games will be played if both Westmeath and Tipperary lose.
All provincial semi-finalists will be exempt from a preliminary round, which as it stands comprises Cavan, Sligo and Leitrim.
New York will receive a bye to the quarter-final stage and will play their match in Ireland
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Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
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I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Tipperary were relegated last year, as were Wicklow this year. They lost every game in the group stage last year, and stayed up with a playoff ambush with 3 goals against Cavan. Offaly dropped back down this year too (might be promising players coming, but weren't there last year), and Limerick went up this year on the back of what looks to be a overall poor Division 3 this year.
By any measure, and by prior performances and standing, the North was harder. I just did not see any reason or rationale why it needed to be geographic split. It was nonsensical. A proper season with 7 games is the way to determine who goes up or down, not making up the rules as they go along. And then to draw the Championship based on this? Was a joke overall...
Tipperary were without a number of players last year. They beat Cavan in the League and should have won the league final.
It was a short year last year because they had a short window with covid.
I don't know why its North and South this for the Tailtean Cup
As were Cavan, with lads out with Covid and such. And yes, they won in the League stage this year, but why should they have won in the final? Cavan were deservedly ahead at the end, getting the goals when needed and such. 4 worldie points by Tipp midfielder kept them in it. And sure they hit the bar, but that alone doesn't mean they should have won. If that's the logic then we can say Cavan should have won Sunday as they hit the bar too. If my Auntie had balls...
And yes it was a Covid disrupted year, yet they finished the finals early last year. There was time. or at least don't put so much on so few games. there was talk the year before about suspending promotion or relegation. I just think it was silly to do so on so few games, when it affected some teams more than others depending on lockdowns, or how Covid affected their squad was. It was never a good idea, especially then basing the split Championship on League positions the year after.
I don't know either. there is really no need for it, considering the teams from each likely play each other regularly anyway in their own provincial championship.
Tipperary looked the better period for long periods of the League final and ,Im not talking about the goal chances. Plenty of Cavan supporters weren't impressed with the performace. You think different, thats your opinion..
as for your aunty and uncle rubbish, you're lamenting the South side being weaker, but the weakest team Wicklow beat Cavan
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 12, 2022, 07:08:04 PM
Tipperary looked the better period for long periods of the League final and ,Im not talking about the goal chances. Plenty of Cavan supporters weren't impressed with the performace. You think different, thats your opinion..
as for your aunty and uncle rubbish, you're lamenting the South side being weaker, but the weakest team Wicklow beat Cavan
I literally say above how it was an embarrassment. Got caught in an ambush when they got the goals. And it's not rubbish. By any measure, that north group was stronger last year. An arbitrary geographic split is nonsensical without weighting of the teams, and you can't be silly to think it wasn't lopsided when you look at the strength of the teams in it. Wicklow lost all 3 games then caught us in a playoff game. Fair play to them for doing so, but that setup last year was a joke no matter what way you spin it. As they showed this year going down in a proper 7 game League.
Northern Section
Antrim
Fermanagh
Down
Sligo
London
Longford
Leitrim
Cavan
Southern Section
Waterford
Laois
Offaly
Wicklow
Carlow
Wexford
Tipperary - if eligible
Westmeath - if eligible
New York - (enter at quarter-final stage)
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 13, 2022, 05:20:15 PM
Northern Section
Antrim
Fermanagh
Down
Sligo
London
Longford
Leitrim
Cavan
Southern Section
Waterford
Laois
Offaly
Wicklow
Carlow
Wexford
Tipperary - if eligible
Westmeath - if eligible
New York - (enter at quarter-final stage)
You'd have thought London would be in the southern section ::)
If Tipp & Westmeath win, 2x prelim games will be 4 of Clare, Louth, Tyrone, Mayo and Armagh. :o :o
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 12:20:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2022, 12:10:29 PM
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I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Tipperary were relegated last year, as were Wicklow this year. They lost every game in the group stage last year, and stayed up with a playoff ambush with 3 goals against Cavan. Offaly dropped back down this year too (might be promising players coming, but weren't there last year), and Limerick went up this year on the back of what looks to be a overall poor Division 3 this year.
By any measure, and by prior performances and standing, the North was harder. I just did not see any reason or rationale why it needed to be geographic split. It was nonsensical. A proper season with 7 games is the way to determine who goes up or down, not making up the rules as they go along. And then to draw the Championship based on this? Was a joke overall...
It made sense when you cast your mind back and recall that there were public health restrictions countrywide until mid May last year. Up to that point intercounty travel was not allowed. The GAA were playing on an exemption, whether or not it was suggested by the public health authorities or not, it probably made sense from a PR perspective as the GAA was trying to repair damage of training ban violations, county championship related outbreaks and the finger of blame being pointed around huge mayo outbreaks following the 2020 AIF.
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Re to Dreadnought
I dont know why you keep harping on that North so much harder. Tipperary limerick, Offaly and Wicklow
North was Cavan, Derry, Longford and Fermanagh.
The weakest Southern team beat Cavan to send Cavan down to 4. Limerick are in Division 2 next year. Tipperary are as good as Cavan. Offaly unlucky to be relegated from Division 2,and have some promising All Ireland U20 players
Tipperary were relegated last year, as were Wicklow this year. They lost every game in the group stage last year, and stayed up with a playoff ambush with 3 goals against Cavan. Offaly dropped back down this year too (might be promising players coming, but weren't there last year), and Limerick went up this year on the back of what looks to be a overall poor Division 3 this year.
By any measure, and by prior performances and standing, the North was harder. I just did not see any reason or rationale why it needed to be geographic split. It was nonsensical. A proper season with 7 games is the way to determine who goes up or down, not making up the rules as they go along. And then to draw the Championship based on this? Was a joke overall...
It made sense when you cast your mind back and recall that there were public health restrictions countrywide until mid May last year. Up to that point intercounty travel was not allowed. The GAA were playing on an exemption, whether or not it was suggested by the public health authorities or not, it probably made sense from a PR perspective as the GAA was trying to repair damage of training ban violations, county championship related outbreaks and the finger of blame being pointed around huge mayo outbreaks following the 2020 AIF.
It didn't make sense when you split it to North and South, avd had a North division with 2 Northern teams who were able to train and play challenge matches 5 weeks earlier than the other teams. Those others only had just over a week of collective training prior to league starting. It was completely arbitrary and was actually unfair considering what was at stake. Maybe like do it, but don't put promotion or relegation, or Tier a championship based on that truncated league. Come on like...
Cavan making all the right noises about this competition. Ray Galligan saying that Cavan need to stick together and win it. Faulkner saying he wants more silverware in a Cavan jersey. Even recently departed Mackey saying Cavan need to take it seriously and use it to keep the squad united. I still think their stomach for it won't be revealed until they find themselves in a tough contest. The general consensus of Cavan being able to walk this is just way off the mark. Fermanagh, Westmeath, Tipperary have all played this Cavan side in tight games and will have absolutely no doubt they can turn us over on any given day.
It seems that the semi finals and final are both televised, both on TV and final will be on AISF day. I think that's a good prize for the players, don't think anyone in the Tailteann Cup will turn up their nose at that.
Quote from: Westside on May 14, 2022, 11:46:02 AM
Cavan making all the right noises about this competition. Ray Galligan saying that Cavan need to stick together and win it. Faulkner saying he wants more silverware in a Cavan jersey. Even recently departed Mackey saying Cavan need to take it seriously and use it to keep the squad united. I still think their stomach for it won't be revealed until they find themselves in a tough contest. The general consensus of Cavan being able to walk this is just way off the mark. Fermanagh, Westmeath, Tipperary have all played this Cavan side in tight games and will have absolutely no doubt they can turn us over on any given day.
It seems that the semi finals and final are both televised, both on TV and final will be on AISF day. I think that's a good prize for the players, don't think anyone in the Tailteann Cup will turn up their nose at that.
It is the best passageway back to Sam Maguire for any of these counties. Summer football, silverware and TV exposure. Down would appear to have already turned up their nose at it judging by O'Hagans comments however.
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Cavan making all the right noises about this competition. Ray Galligan saying that Cavan need to stick together and win it. Faulkner saying he wants more silverware in a Cavan jersey. Even recently departed Mackey saying Cavan need to take it seriously and use it to keep the squad united. I still think their stomach for it won't be revealed until they find themselves in a tough contest. The general consensus of Cavan being able to walk this is just way off the mark. Fermanagh, Westmeath, Tipperary have all played this Cavan side in tight games and will have absolutely no doubt they can turn us over on any given day.
It seems that the semi finals and final are both televised, both on TV and final will be on AISF day. I think that's a good prize for the players, don't think anyone in the Tailteann Cup will turn up their nose at that.
It is the best passageway back to Sam Maguire for any of these counties. Summer football, silverware and TV exposure. Down would appear to have already turned up their nose at it judging by O'Hagans comments however.
Hopefully they get relegated again next year then.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 14, 2022, 12:28:41 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 14, 2022, 11:46:02 AM
Cavan making all the right noises about this competition. Ray Galligan saying that Cavan need to stick together and win it. Faulkner saying he wants more silverware in a Cavan jersey. Even recently departed Mackey saying Cavan need to take it seriously and use it to keep the squad united. I still think their stomach for it won't be revealed until they find themselves in a tough contest. The general consensus of Cavan being able to walk this is just way off the mark. Fermanagh, Westmeath, Tipperary have all played this Cavan side in tight games and will have absolutely no doubt they can turn us over on any given day.
It seems that the semi finals and final are both televised, both on TV and final will be on AISF day. I think that's a good prize for the players, don't think anyone in the Tailteann Cup will turn up their nose at that.
It is the best passageway back to Sam Maguire for any of these counties. Summer football, silverware and TV exposure. Down would appear to have already turned up their nose at it judging by O'Hagans comments however.
It's not the best passageway though. I'm willing to bet a lot of money, that over 80% of the time, the team ago wins it will likely be promoted the next year to make it all moot. The ones who this is needed for, the Division 4 and low Division 3 counties will probably never win this. The split probably shouldn't be 16/16, maybe 20/12 or such. This won't bring on the teams that it needs to
I bet it will be a momentum competition.
Tipperary the latest to join. Just a matter if Westmeath will or won't tomorrow.
does next year format make provinvials just a warm up will the ulster format be a glorified mckenna cup
Quote from: Eire90 on May 14, 2022, 08:55:15 PM
does next year format make provinvials just a warm up will the ulster format be a glorified mckenna cup
What's changed since the back door has been introduced? Ulster champions got initially into 1/4 finals the finalist got into last 16 and everyone else had another go in the qualifying stages to get to final..
The Provincial finals have been diluted long time ago
Even the McKenna cup isn't knock out cup competition
Quote from: Eire90 on May 14, 2022, 08:55:15 PM
does next year format make provinvials just a warm up will the ulster format be a glorified mckenna cup
Provincial winners and finalists to be seeded into four groups with the eight remaining places allocated to highest-ranked counties in the league not already qualified.
should the gaa not be able to give counties travel expenses if needed or is the travelling thing an excuse
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2022, 09:03:57 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 14, 2022, 08:55:15 PM
does next year format make provinvials just a warm up will the ulster format be a glorified mckenna cup
What's changed since the back door has been introduced? Ulster champions got initially into 1/4 finals the finalist got into last 16 and everyone else had another go in the qualifying stages to get to final..
The Provincial finals have been diluted long time ago
Even the McKenna cup isn't knock out cup competition
nothing much really tho from next year you could lose 3 games and still win the all ireland
GAA have fixed virtually no football next weekend but squashed all 4 Provincial football finals and the Tailteann Cup first round games all on the same weekend. I think the Champions League final also on that day. Madness. Tailteann will get no coverage or attendances that weekend.
Is there a preliminary round in the Tailteann Cup next weekend?
A lot of people have been saying Cavan shouldn't be in this Tailteann cup but by the same measure, shouldn't we swap with Meath and put them into it? Sure they are pure cack
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 15, 2022, 06:05:24 PM
Is there a preliminary round in the Tailteann Cup next weekend?
Yes, as we have 17 teams in it. We need to get it down to 15 teams for Round 1 (2 x 7 Round I games, with those 7 winners and New York to make up the Quarter finals). There will be 2 preliminary round games, with the teams who made a semi final of their province (ie Cavan, Tipperary, Westmeath, Sligo, Leitrim) excluded. So 4 teams drawn from the other 10 teams to reduce numbers to 15.
Quote from: full moon on May 15, 2022, 01:54:17 PM
GAA have fixed virtually no football next weekend but squashed all 4 Provincial football finals and the Tailteann Cup first round games all on the same weekend. I think the Champions League final also on that day. Madness. Tailteann will get no coverage or attendances that weekend.
Munster Final at 3 and Leinster Final at 5 on the day of Champions League final.
Let's check all the other sports fixtures, then make no GAA fixtures occur at the same time....
We'll have games on Tuesday and Thursday mornings only..
It's the Tailteann Cup. It would do well to capture viewer interest if it was up against re-runs of Bullseye. When it's played doesn't matter. It's a dead duck.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 15, 2022, 08:29:03 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 15, 2022, 01:54:17 PM
GAA have fixed virtually no football next weekend but squashed all 4 Provincial football finals and the Tailteann Cup first round games all on the same weekend. I think the Champions League final also on that day. Madness. Tailteann will get no coverage or attendances that weekend.
Munster Final at 3 and Leinster Final at 5 on the day of Champions League final.
Why would the GAA worry about the chanpions league final?? Or the heineken Cup for that matter.
Real fans will go to the games.
What people watch on TV is the TV Companies' business.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2022, 10:35:25 PM
Real fans will go to the games.
What people watch on TV is the TV Companies' business.
It's very much the GAAs business how they do and for the prosperity of the sport. Real fans do indeed go to games, but most will only attend their own counties and clubs matches.So TV coverage is very important for the games.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 15, 2022, 10:23:39 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 15, 2022, 08:29:03 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 15, 2022, 01:54:17 PM
GAA have fixed virtually no football next weekend but squashed all 4 Provincial football finals and the Tailteann Cup first round games all on the same weekend. I think the Champions League final also on that day. Madness. Tailteann will get no coverage or attendances that weekend.
Munster Final at 3 and Leinster Final at 5 on the day of Champions League final.
Why would the GAA worry about the chanpions league final?? Or the heineken Cup for that matter.
It means their own matches will not attract the media coverage or attendances.
But my issue is more the Tailteann in particular will be competing directly against the provincial finals.
The point remains the attendances and cmedia overage of Tailteann Cup will be non existent in 2 weeks. This competition needed to start well it it had any hope and with all the nonsense so far it's hard to give it a chance of succeeding.
Preliminary rounds
Wexford v Offaly
Wicklow v Waterford
1st round
Southern Section
Wexford or Offaly v Wicklow or Waterford
Carlow v Tipperary
Laois v Westmeath
Northern Section
Longford v Fermanagh
Leitrim v Antrim
Sligo v London
Cavan v Down
So we get Wexford and Offaly again? So many match ups we see so often. This is why that split is so disappointing
Unfair making the Prelims Southern Section only to facilitate fkn New York!
According to the GAA president, the North and South sections are to cut down on travelling expenses and to keep local rivalries going.
Des Cahill said the semi finals would be played in Croke Park i thought it was the final only?
is it because casuals only care about the top tier of any sport if you promote it as a day to get drunk casuals might get on board some casuals might go to final as excuse to get drunk.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 16, 2022, 08:46:42 AM
Preliminary rounds
Wexford v Offaly
Wicklow v Waterford
1st round
Southern Section
Wexford or Offaly v Wicklow or Waterford
Carlow v Tipperary
Laois v Westmeath
Northern Section
Longford v Fermanagh
Leitrim v Antrim
Sligo v London
Cavan v Down
Handy for Down. That will be the summer over.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2022, 09:01:47 AM
Unfair making the Prelims Southern Section only to facilitate fkn New York!
Was that not the luck of the draw, there were more teams from the South in the preliminary draw? And how it went determined the line drawn for North and South. Or have I got that wrong?
Are the Semi finals open draw or is it the remaining two teams in each section?
i think its open
'To keep local rivalries going' lol...they haven't a clue and just making it up as they go along
its suppose to be an all Ireland competition not some regional thing they get local rivalries in the provincial championships
Quote'To keep local rivalries going' lol...they haven't a clue and just making it up as they go along
Like Leitrim v Antrim....
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 16, 2022, 09:08:54 AM
According to the GAA president, the North and South sections are to cut down on travelling expenses and to keep local rivalries going.
Des Cahill said the semi finals would be played in Croke Park i thought it was the final only?
Allow me to translate
Cut down on expenses to the GAA and get bigger gates and mo money.
Quote from: Itchy on May 16, 2022, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 16, 2022, 09:08:54 AM
According to the GAA president, the North and South sections are to cut down on travelling expenses and to keep local rivalries going.
Des Cahill said the semi finals would be played in Croke Park i thought it was the final only?
Allow me to translate
Cut down on expenses to the GAA and get bigger gates and mo money.
Is there something fundamentally wrong with that approach though?
Bigger gates means more cash, yes. But it also means greater public attention.
I can't see a downside to that myself.
Well actually I can. The downside is that it is a pisspot competition that will be extinguished by 2025. So any games at all in it are completely ducking pointless.
I think it makes good sense. It'd be a pain in the arse to have to go to Waterford or Wexford from Cavan. It's not perfect but in most cases it's probably made things easier on supporters travel wise.
if the competition fails and is scrapped what do you think will happen will weaker counties will they just get one attepmpt to make provincial final if they dont there summer is over.
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 10:19:05 AM
I think it makes good sense. It'd be a pain in the arse to have to go to Waterford or Wexford from Cavan. It's not perfect but in most cases it's probably made things easier on supporters travel wise.
It's doing nothing for the integrity of the competition only making little off it.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 10:21:56 AM
if the competition fails and is scrapped what do you think will happen will weaker counties will they just get one attepmpt to make provincial final if they dont there summer is over.
If qualification for the AI playoffs is tied to league form and/or provincial form, then what harm is there in a short summer for those who underachieve? Surely they don't need to be beaten out of the gate multiple times before accepting their fate?
Come back next year re-focused instead.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2022, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 10:21:56 AM
if the competition fails and is scrapped what do you think will happen will weaker counties will they just get one attepmpt to make provincial final if they dont there summer is over.
If qualification for the AI playoffs is tied to league form and/or provincial form, then what harm is there in a short summer for those who underachieve? Surely they don't need to be beaten out of the gate multiple times before accepting their fate?
Come back next year re-focused instead.
That is would what would say too but some will moan and say we not getting summer football we want a day out in the sun,
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 16, 2022, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 10:19:05 AM
I think it makes good sense. It'd be a pain in the arse to have to go to Waterford or Wexford from Cavan. It's not perfect but in most cases it's probably made things easier on supporters travel wise.
It's doing nothing for the integrity of the competition only making little off it.
There are imbalances everywhere. Derry beat Tyrone and Monaghan to get to a provincial final. Limerick beat Clare and Tipp. Will people ignore the Munster Final and talk about the integrity of the competition?
The northern side is slightly tougher. I'd rather that than traipsing down to Waterford for a match.
Cavan v Down
So the aristocrats still duel despite being thrown out of the big house. Will it be like the 1962 Ulster final?
(https://i.ibb.co/jJPbTX5/aristos.jpg)
GAA president on defending regional split citing fuel costs. What a joke, when did the GAA ever think about supporters and their prices, they rip people off at every opportunity.
Was McCarthy asked why his team gets a bye for 2 rounds and into the Southern section? Farcical
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 11:03:58 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 16, 2022, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 10:19:05 AM
I think it makes good sense. It'd be a pain in the arse to have to go to Waterford or Wexford from Cavan. It's not perfect but in most cases it's probably made things easier on supporters travel wise.
It's doing nothing for the integrity of the competition only making little off it.
There are imbalances everywhere. Derry beat Tyrone and Monaghan to get to a provincial final. Limerick beat Clare and Tipp. Will people ignore the Munster Final and talk about the integrity of the competition?
The northern side is slightly tougher. I'd rather that than traipsing down to Waterford for a match.
The provincial are obviously unbalanced but have always been that way having regional sections makes no sense and is making little of the competition. I presume the Sam Maguire qualifiers divided into regions if they are been brought in for this?
if it was all about fuel costs and local rivalries then they would go back to the old system before the backdoor that means less matches per team which means less travelling for teams and fans and the provincial championships would be more intense and a boost to local rivalries.
Down are a county with a great history and tradition. They love their football up there. Cavan will need to perform to a high level to beat them.
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 01:22:39 PM
Down are a county with a great history and tradition. They love their football up there. Cavan will need to perform to a high level to beat them.
Is that you Marty Morrissey?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-unveil-the-new-tailteann-cup/
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 01:22:39 PM
Down are a county with a great history and tradition. They love their football up there. Cavan will need to perform to a high level to beat them.
Is that you Marty Morrissey?
Yes and the game will be played under the spectacular Mourne Mountains, which rise up from the Irish sea, and on a clear day you can see the beautiful Isle of Man.
Dont worry if any of your friends did not read this, I will mention it about four times during the first half.
Wouldn't be particularly confident of us winning even one game in this competition.
Quote from: joemamas on May 16, 2022, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 01:22:39 PM
Down are a county with a great history and tradition. They love their football up there. Cavan will need to perform to a high level to beat them.
Is that you Marty Morrissey?
Yes and the game will be played under the spectacular Mourne Mountains, which rise up from the Irish sea, and on a clear day you can see the beautiful Isle of Man.
Dont worry if any of your friends did not read this, I will mention it about four times during the first half.
From Downpatrick to Darwin, Down fans all over the world enjoying this historic occasion...
https://mobile.twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1526257027156148225
Larry McCarthy says there'll be a host of marketing initiatives to promote the Tailteann Cip. Money down the drain. It takes a LOT of money to get something off the ground and make the public aware of it and what it's about. The grassroots GAA supporter already knows what Senior, Intermediate and Junior is. It wouldn't have needed a penny spent if we'd gone down that road.
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 01:22:39 PM
Down are a county with a great history and tradition. They love their football up there. Cavan will need to perform to a high level to beat them.
Are you taking the p*ss?
Down are a mess - this is the lowest point in their footballing history. Their best players incl their captain have left the panel after getting tanked by Monaghan and their manager is a resignation in waiting. They will be hammered out the gate by Cavan to put them out of TCup and out of their misery.
Aughrim the venue for the first ever Tailteann cup game this Saturday at 3pm
Wexford v Offaly on Sunday at 2pm gets GAAGO coverage and interesting Bellefield, Enniscorthy chosen as the venue instead of Wexford Park.
what do people think attendances will be
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0516/1298369-downs-ohagan-rows-back-on-tailteann-cup-comments/
What do you think of the Trophy? Looks a bit like the English FA Cup!
(https://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF1298/2231465.jpg)
It does.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS4NKukWIAA_v8v?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81eF8H8HtrL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
....or even looks like the Rugby World Cup!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Rugby_World_Cup_Trophy.JPG/800px-Rugby_World_Cup_Trophy.JPG)
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2022, 11:32:50 PM
What do you think of the Trophy? Looks a bit like the English FA Cup!
(https://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF1298/2231465.jpg)
The irony of Barry O'Hagan being photographed with the trophy! Someone within the GAA must have had a word but fair play to him anyway, at least he had the humility to row back on his initial comments which were probably said in the heat of the moment straight after a defeat. I think if teams can get over the initial disappointment of losing in their provincial championship and win their first or second matches they will begin to see this as a worthwhile prize but a lot will depend on the promotion given by the GAA and within the media.
"A lot will depend on the promotion given by the GAA and within the media".
No it won't. This is a B championship. They could have photo shoots 24 hours a day from now til July and it will still not earn a grain of public interest.
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30553/12615078/down-footballer-barry-ohagan-says-eugene-branagans-comments-havent-got-inside-the-mourne-countys-camp
Quote"Well that was probably within five minutes of our defeat against Monaghan, a heavy defeat," he reflected.
"My own performance that day was bitterly disappointing. I thought maybe if I had kicked even two or three we might have been in it at that stage.
"Look, it was probably emotions and stuff like that that got into my head. I was a wee bit disappointed and one of the questions I was asked was, 'Would you rather be in the Tailteann Cup or an All-Ireland qualifier?' So that's what made me make that comment and go down that route.
"Look, at the end of the day, we are where we currently are at this moment in time with Down. If we put our heads together for this cup and try to develop our team, it can be beneficial for us in the long run and that's what our stand is now and hopefully it will go that way."
Quote from: yellowcard on May 18, 2022, 09:43:01 AM
I think if teams can get over the initial disappointment of losing in their provincial championship and win their first or second matches they will begin to see this as a worthwhile prize but a lot will depend on the promotion given by the GAA and within the media.
I think this year isn't like to see a massive pile in the way of buy in (especially given half of the teams are only getting one game - I'd say there is a serious fear in every panel who are afraid of losing their first game) but next year with the guaranteed three games minimum including one home game for everyone county teams are going to have to take in seriously or they will end up being embarrassed by those counties who do.
I don't know how anyone can look at the Tailteann Cup and not see that it's miles better than what was there previously.
I wouldn't be surprised if before long Division 4 teams are talking about pulling out of the provincials in favour of the Tailteann Cup.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2022, 09:46:39 AM
"A lot will depend on the promotion given by the GAA and within the media".
No it won't. This is a B championship. They could have photo shoots 24 hours a day from now til July and it will still not earn a grain of public interest.
Bejases you seem to have a lot of interest in it anyway by the number of posts you have on it.
One thing that does stick out to me as a problem is that this weekend, for example, Wicklow will play Waterford. One of them will lose and that is the season over. What's the difference between that and the old back door? Was there not supposed to be a round robin initially in the Tailteann cup?
The 2022 Congress passed a Round Robin Sam and TC from 2023.
Quote from: Itchy on May 18, 2022, 10:13:53 AM
One thing that does stick out to me as a problem is that this weekend, for example, Wicklow will play Waterford. One of them will lose and that is the season over. What's the difference between that and the old back door? Was there not supposed to be a round robin initially in the Tailteann cup?
From next year it will be round robin format.
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 18, 2022, 09:57:25 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if before long Division 4 teams are talking about pulling out of the provincials in favour of the Tailteann Cup.
I'll be surprised if that happens. Regardless if a division 4 team are out of their depth in the provincial championships the players and management will want to test themselves against better teams and those matches will attract higher attendances than majority of any B All-Ireland game.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2022, 09:46:39 AM
"A lot will depend on the promotion given by the GAA and within the media".
No it won't. This is a B championship. They could have photo shoots 24 hours a day from now til July and it will still not earn a grain of public interest.
Is it a county thing to gain recognition through the media and other outlets to play GAA? 99% of the GAA players play for the love of the game, not to get media attention..
I'm not sure what drives kids on nowadays....Getting 30 seconds coverage on The Sunday Game must be wonderful and a game changer!
will the casuals be interested if people get to the final could they see it as a excuse to drink will we see horns and car convoys for the winners of this.
Offaly played Wexford in Wexford Park in the Leinster Championship. The TC rematch takes place in a club ground.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on May 18, 2022, 03:08:12 PM
Offaly played Wexford in Wexford Park in the Leinster Championship. The TC rematch takes place in a club ground.
Mentioned that already seems a bit odd.
Dates and venues confirmed for the round 1 ties.
Saturday 28 May
Tailteann Cup round 1
Cavan v Down, Kingspan Breffni, 2pm
Leitrim v Antrim, Carrick-on-Shannon, 2pm - GAAGO
Longford v Fermanagh, Glennon Brothers Pearse Park, 6.30pm
Sligo v London, Markievicz Park, 7pm
Sunday 29 May
Tailteann Cup Round 1
Carlow v Tipperary, Netwatch Cullen Park, 2pm
Laois v Westmeath, MW HIre O'Moore Park, 2pm
Wexford/Offaly v Wicklow/Waterford, TBC, 2pm
2pm on Saturday, that's the way to promote this and get a big crowd in. Pathetic.
Fermanagh game is now at 5.30.
Have to really hand it to the Gaa.
Great times and weekend for the 1st round.
Sure there is feck all on that weekend bar the whole Ulster, Munster , Leinster and Connacht finals plus the champions league final Saturday night
Couldn't have picked a better time.
I would say you will see a good 15000 at each Tailteann Cup match.
Just confirms what we all ready knew
Tick the box and get it played as soon as.
Could you imagine if they had scheduled the qualifier games for the same date ?
Absolutely no chance
will there be many at the sligo v london game the champions league final is on at 8pm that night
An update as to why Wexford Park isn't used this weekend, this was published in January.
Quote
“It was agreed that the pitch in Chadwicks Wexford Park will be closed from 9 May 2022 until 3 July 2022 to facilitate the planned upgrade works to the pitch and the installation of the new irrigation system,”
maybe they could have experimented with having some of the first two rounds of tailteaan cup games on friday night and make a deal with rte to show the games on rte 2 on a friday night if they want the competition to have exposure could have a double header of 6.30 and 8.10 throw in times.
Since they made it regionalise they cant have the ohhh we cant expect people to travel far on a friday excuse.
GAA president Larry McCarthy has said that placing the Tailteann Cup decider on the undercard of the All-Ireland final was never a serious option.
The first-ever champions of the new competition will be crowned on 9 July at Croke Park, a match that RTÉ will screen live, with the All-Ireland Hurling final taking place a week later and the football decider on 24 July.
McCarthy, however, said that club commitments and the all-conquering beast of All-Ireland final day would have proven detrimental to the second-tier competition.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 20, 2022, 12:57:42 PM
GAA president Larry McCarthy has said that placing the Tailteann Cup decider on the undercard of the All-Ireland final was never a serious option.
The first-ever champions of the new competition will be crowned on 9 July at Croke Park, a match that RTÉ will screen live, with the All-Ireland Hurling final taking place a week later and the football decider on 24 July.
McCarthy, however, said that club commitments and the all-conquering beast of All-Ireland final day would have proven detrimental to the second-tier competition.
What??
Is that at least before a semi-final?
Half time in Aughrim. Wicklow 0-8 Waterford 0-5
I can't see how any 2nd tier competition would be successful no matter how it is structured. The only people who will care are the hardcore fans which is quite small and the relatives of the players. It is hard enough to get fans to go to league games never mind a 2nd tier championship. I actually think the league should be a bigger competition, in a perfect world it would have more games but obviously there isn't much space.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2022, 01:52:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2022, 09:46:39 AM
"A lot will depend on the promotion given by the GAA and within the media".
No it won't. This is a B championship. They could have photo shoots 24 hours a day from now til July and it will still not earn a grain of public interest.
Is it a county thing to gain recognition through the media and other outlets to play GAA? 99% of the GAA players play for the love of the game, not to get media attention..
I'm not sure what drives kids on nowadays....Getting 30 seconds coverage on The Sunday Game must be wonderful and a game changer!
It is status which drives teens and young men on. I remember what school was like, the girls loved the footballers. That has always been the case in human civilization, athletic men with status getting breeding rights. Of course these boys still love the sport but the status it gives them does play some part in their motivation to play. Even if you are an unsuccessful county player you shouldn't underestimate the status it gives you in your community.
Result Wicklow 3-16 Waterford 1-10
Today's game. Revenge for Offaly for their Leinster championship defeat to Wexford. 3-11 to 2-13 winners, Offaly play Wicklow at home next.
Big review and analysis of the games on the SG tonight no doubt lol
Quote from: tintin25 on May 22, 2022, 04:34:07 PM
Big review and analysis of the games on the SG tonight no doubt lol
No real reason not to, wasn't too many games on this weekend
Quote from: tintin25 on May 22, 2022, 04:34:07 PM
Big review and analysis of the games on the SG tonight no doubt lol
Like the old Rounds 1 and 2 Qualifiers, the 16 games used to get a total of about 4 minutes from a dodgy camera positiond round the corner flag.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 22, 2022, 06:34:36 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 22, 2022, 04:34:07 PM
Big review and analysis of the games on the SG tonight no doubt lol
Like the old Rounds 1 and 2 Qualifiers, the 16 games used to get a total of about 4 minutes from a dodgy camera positiond round the corner flag.
That'll put it on first, show 1 minute of each game. Then one of the pundits will talk about Offaly and Wicklow. For Offaly they will mention John Maughan and u20s (u20s will be mentioned for them for next 10 yrs)
For Wicklow they will find a player they heard off before and talk about how great he is. Then they will spend more time talking about the principle of the Tailtean Cup than the highlights and comments combined.
A load of Offaly players down with cramp towards the end of the game. Pure relief with the full time whistle. Is John Maughan still getting his players to run-up mountains and push wheelie bins around car parks?
Niall McNamee some servant for them and top quality forward, turns 37 later this year and top scorer today with 1-5.
Quote from: tintin25 on May 22, 2022, 04:34:07 PM
Big review and analysis of the games on the SG tonight no doubt lol
Lucky it's been promoted so well by GAA and media.
They may as well put the games for free on YouTube for those with a passing interest. Because attendances will be low regardless and nobody will bother paying for a stream for this, not should they have to.
While the Tailteann quarter-finals will have to battle with many other games for coverage, the Tailteann semis on June 19th will have the day to themselves and be the only football on that day. That will likely be the most high profile game many of the 60 starting players will have played in.
I think once it gets to semi-finals and final, they'll be better interest.
People have a serious sense on entitlement. We should be playing in the Sam Maguire qualifiers etc. but now after 1 game (and being knocked out) they think they're not good enough for the TC.
If they put interest in, they all have a decent chance now.
All clubs play at their respective levels in their own county and in the TC, it's only one level - not intermediate and junior even.
Go for it and try and win it.
id much rather see Antrim compete in semi finals/ finals of the Tailteann than maybe win a round or 2 in qualifiers then see us play one of the top counties put 15 behind the ball in a game of keep the score respectable. Far rather see us go for a trophy we could win and go for it trying to play football and build
Agree Mac. It's the level we are at, once we are proven to be competitive in this competition it's time enough to be looking towards the premium events.
How many clubs don't celebrate an intermediate championship title when that is the grade they are in?
All we need to think about atm is can we deliver a performance that's too good for Leitrim on Saturday and while possible that's definitely not a given!
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 07:38:06 PM
A load of Offaly players down with cramp towards the end of the game. Pure relief with the full time whistle. Is John Maughan still getting his players to run-up mountains and push wheelie bins around car parks?
Niall McNamee some servant for them and top quality forward, turns 37 later this year and top scorer today with 1-5.
for the record maughan did not get players tp push anything around a carpark .
that was some one else . a quick google will reveal the truth
What he did do was bring a division 3 team to draw an all Ireland final and lose the replay by a point in 1996. he also got them to all Ireland finals in in 1997 and 2004
a b all Ireland with Fermanagh was won with and he also brought Clare to win a Munster for the 1st time since 1917
bit of respect please
Quote from: rosnarun on May 23, 2022, 10:38:18 AM
for the record maughan did not get players tp push anything around a carpark .
that was some one else . a quick google will reveal the truth
What he did do was bring a division 3 team to draw an all Ireland final and lose the replay by a point in 1996. he also got them to all Ireland finals in in 1997 and 2004
a b all Ireland with Fermanagh was won with and he also brought Clare to win a Munster for the 1st time since 1917
bit of respect please
Less of the ranting please and try to explain how a team that hasn't played for a number of weeks was out on their feet at the end of yesterday's game.
After getting caught on the hop with a injury hit team in the Leinster championship i would have expected Offaly to win that game yesterday pulling up. Plenty of pundits fancy Offaly to do well in this competition and a lot of that comes down to a high profile manager like Maughan in charge. On the evidence of yesterday they'll need a good recovery session before playing Wicklow.
If Cavan apply themselves to it I'd expect them to win it out.
As for Offaly I read somewhere that Tan stopped training after the Leinster loss until last Tuesday.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2022, 11:52:09 AM
If Cavan apply themselves to it I'd expect them to win it out.
As for Offaly I read somewhere that Tan stopped training after the Leinster loss until last Tuesday.
Did they go back to play club? I know that weekend before last in Cavan, clubs had their county players back, but not this weekend as they ramp up to the game. might be the case for other counties too
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2022, 11:52:09 AM
If Cavan apply themselves to it I'd expect them to win it out.
As for Offaly I read somewhere that Tan stopped training after the Leinster loss until last Tuesday.
For a manager that has talked up the Tailteann Cup more than most it would be odd that he'd have his side poorly prepared for the opener?
Only a couple hundred at the Wicklow game the first Tailteann fixture. Be interesting to note attendances next weekend if they're released. I'd expect poor crowds with everything else on next weekend and the lack of interest so far.
Not sure how the supposed All Stars will be picked when most journalists won't have attended or caught most of the Tailteann Cup matches.
Quote from: full moon on May 23, 2022, 12:03:31 PM
Not sure how the supposed All Stars will be picked when most journalists won't have attended or caught most of the Tailteann Cup matches.
Probably the same as they pick there team of the week look at the team sheets and pick out the names they know.
How was Wexford's second goal not a square ball? I am assuming it wasn't as no one is saying much about it but the boy was just standing in the square waiting on it? There was no case of timing as he just stood there.
Where was he when ball was played?
As for All Stars - same as main ones
Winners 7 or 8
Finalists 3 or 4
Semi Finalists 1 each
1 well known player from another County to show you they looked beyond the Semis and Final.
How many people would attend a Wicklow v Waterford 1st Round Qualifier?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Where was he when ball was played?
As for All Stars - same as main ones
Winners 7 or 8
Finalists 3 or 4
Semi Finalists 1 each
1 well known player from another County to show you they looked beyond the Semis and Final.
How many people would attend a Wicklow v Waterford 1st Round Qualifier?
He was standing in the square and never moved until the ball came in.
The all stars are long since dead for the "lesser" teams. The super 8s gave more matches for the best teams to be visible and anyone out in earlier rounds was forgot about. They should do Tailteann cup all stars too as per christy ring, nicky rackard etc in the hurling.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40882115.html?fbclid=IwAR3A47cq9P5zh4K24R4yqbrLlIRxkw_1PDYXWMNwd_jElAiPG0Hz4nvqY4U
this article pretty much nails it. great to see a player being realistic. What is the point in busting your arse training when you know you're going out to just try and avoid being embarrassed. As Quinn says here the Tailteann is a comp where teams can go out and set realistic targets and try to build something.
Quote from: themac_23 on May 27, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40882115.html?fbclid=IwAR3A47cq9P5zh4K24R4yqbrLlIRxkw_1PDYXWMNwd_jElAiPG0Hz4nvqY4U
this article pretty much nails it. great to see a player being realistic. What is the point in busting your arse training when you know you're going out to just try and avoid being embarrassed. As Quinn says here the Tailteann is a comp where teams can go out and set realistic targets and try to build something.
Longford was one of the teams that did really well in the qualifiers taking out the likes of Derry, Monaghan and Mayo. It got to a stage whereby plenty was hoping to avoid them in the draw.
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Quote from: themac_23 on May 27, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40882115.html?fbclid=IwAR3A47cq9P5zh4K24R4yqbrLlIRxkw_1PDYXWMNwd_jElAiPG0Hz4nvqY4U
this article pretty much nails it. great to see a player being realistic. What is the point in busting your arse training when you know you're going out to just try and avoid being embarrassed. As Quinn says here the Tailteann is a comp where teams can go out and set realistic targets and try to build something.
Longford was one of the teams that did really well in the qualifiers taking out the likes of Derry, Monaghan and Mayo. It got to a stage whereby plenty was hoping to avoid them in the draw.
a majo win every few years is great when your not playing what about all the other years im sure there many longford player who have never beaten Div 1 or 2 teams
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Quote from: Blowitupref on May 27, 2022, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 27, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40882115.html?fbclid=IwAR3A47cq9P5zh4K24R4yqbrLlIRxkw_1PDYXWMNwd_jElAiPG0Hz4nvqY4U
this article pretty much nails it. great to see a player being realistic. What is the point in busting your arse training when you know you're going out to just try and avoid being embarrassed. As Quinn says here the Tailteann is a comp where teams can go out and set realistic targets and try to build something.
Longford was one of the teams that did really well in the qualifiers taking out the likes of Derry, Monaghan and Mayo. It got to a stage whereby plenty was hoping to avoid them in the draw.
a majo win every few years is great when your not playing what about all the other years im sure there many longford player who have never beaten Div 1 or 2 teams
Monaghan as they are now was a Division 1 team when Longford beat them and the last match was played in Clones. 2014 Derry and Mayo 2010 knocked out of the championship by Longford reached Division 1 final prior to those championships.
It seems that Leitrim might be interested in the Tailteann cup while Antrim are not.
In the old qualifiers Leitrim did not seem interested, for instance when Armagh beat them by 27 points.
Results in the 2pm games
Leitrim 2-14 Antrim 1-12
Cavan 0-24 Down 1-12
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Quote from: rosnarun on May 27, 2022, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 27, 2022, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 27, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40882115.html?fbclid=IwAR3A47cq9P5zh4K24R4yqbrLlIRxkw_1PDYXWMNwd_jElAiPG0Hz4nvqY4U
this article pretty much nails it. great to see a player being realistic. What is the point in busting your arse training when you know you're going out to just try and avoid being embarrassed. As Quinn says here the Tailteann is a comp where teams can go out and set realistic targets and try to build something.
Longford was one of the teams that did really well in the qualifiers taking out the likes of Derry, Monaghan and Mayo. It got to a stage whereby plenty was hoping to avoid them in the draw.
a majo win every few years is great when your not playing what about all the other years im sure there many longford player who have never beaten Div 1 or 2 teams
Monaghan as they are now was a Division 1 team when Longford beat them and the last match was played in Clones. 2014 Derry and Mayo 2010 knocked out of the championship by Longford reached Division 1 final prior to those championships.
That result did happen with Mal O'Rourke as manager and all the more that it was in Clones, there was another time when Longford had Kerry punch drunk on the ropes.
Half time and a closer contest than the Div 4 match between the two Sligo 2-6 London 1-7.
Result longford 0-12 Fermanagh 1-12. Goal on 68 mins p
Sligo 2-11 London 2-11. Two late point for Sligo brings the game to extra time.
Sligo 3-14 London 2-13 Disaster for London in extra time at stroke of half time,
3-15 to 2-16 a lucky win for Sligo. London had a penalty saved and another late goal chance was missed.
Good win for Fermanagh.
Was a serious battle .
Fermanagh made use of the extra man after the Longford black in the second half to get themselves back into the game and then ahead.
Longford came back strong and they probably should have been level.
Don't know which of their players went for the goal when a point would have levelled it.
Fermanagh went up the pitch , kept the ball for about 2 minutes and then worked a very good goal and that was the game won.
Nice to see Ultan Kelm back.
A serious addition and the young players that Donnelly has blooded in the league are really beginning to find their feet.
Solid display today from Cavan, inspired by a sublime performance from Ray Galligan who scored 7 long range frees and saved two penalties. Very poor turnout from Down supporters, doubt there was 100. That was sad to see from a GAA county I've a lot of respect for. As cavan man we know the feeling of a top club turning against their own county, happened for years with us too. I say tell Branigan and chums to fcuk off and focus on your underage and the lads who want to wear the famous Jersey.
Cavan motoring well but still have another gear or two.
Finally, what a joke Antrim are. Talked up all year and then bet out the gate by Leitrim. Too many shite talkers up there seems to me.
Some posters would be quite knowledgeable about talking shite.
Quote from: restorepride on May 28, 2022, 11:01:56 PM
Some posters would be quite knowledgeable about talking shite.
Indeed, shite talk about Corrigan Park, shite talk about beating cavan and beating us up some alleyway over on Antrim thread. Now its all the managers fault i see - more shite talk. Real talk is done on the pitch. Fair play to Leitrim, always give everything against all the odds. Antrims best chance is the GAA do a Dublin and do a bit of financial doping.
Wad listening to Longford v Fermanagh game on S'side. Was quite exciting.
Saw the Leitrim v Antrim game on ******.
Antrim v poor, Leitrim well worth the win but let it get too close in the last quarter.
Ros Andy very excited afterwards especially about kids coming on the pitch to meet the players etc.
Sligo lucky to get extra time but if they could shoot straight would have had it wrapped up at half time.
Good win by Cavan who already look like the first winners of the trophy.
Quote from: Itchy on May 28, 2022, 10:50:03 PM
Solid display today from Cavan, inspired by a sublime performance from Ray Galligan who scored 7 long range frees and saved two penalties. Very poor turnout from Down supporters, doubt there was 100. That was sad to see from a GAA county I've a lot of respect for. As cavan man we know the feeling of a top club turning against their own county, happened for years with us too. I say tell Branigan and chums to fcuk off and focus on your underage and the lads who want to wear the famous Jersey.
Cavan motoring well but still have another gear or two.
Finally, what a joke Antrim are. Talked up all year and then bet out the gate by Leitrim. Too many shite talkers up there seems to me.
I'm not surprised at the poor turnout by Down. I'd say there was a poor turnout by all travelling fans in this competition so far. Which defeats the purpose of regionalisation North and South.
I thought the Tailteann Cup was to prevent hammerings in the All Ireland. Yet the two biggest ones so far are in the provincial finals, and Meath previously in semi final.
Every team gets to play in their Provincial which you might have noticed are not part of the Tailteann Cup ;).
Any team can play any other team so that can't have been the objective...
Quote from: full moon on May 29, 2022, 09:58:14 AM
I thought the Tailteann Cup was to prevent hammerings in the All Ireland. Yet the two biggest ones so far are in the provincial finals, and Meath previously in semi final.
Cork Kildare, Meath and Down are all struggling. All at the same time is not usual. Kildale and Meath are due to funding Dublin.Gaelic football has been stronger.
Carlow beating tipp probably the biggest shock so far. I wouldn't have expect Longford to rattle Fermanagh as much and I guess Leitrim Antrim a *bit* of a shock.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 29, 2022, 05:03:40 PM
Carlow beating tipp probably the biggest shock so far. I wouldn't have expect Longford to rattle Fermanagh as much and I guess Leitrim Antrim a *bit* of a shock.
Surprised Carlow beat Tipp and Leitrim win. I believe Antrim had more pullouts and injuries. Leitrim seem like they're going full tilt at this and will be a handful for anyone especially at home.
Tipp seam to struggle when they are expected to win and breaking teams down.
Carlow may have chosen to ignore Leinster and target their training for the last week of May. Perhaps they think the Tailteann cup something they can win whereas Leinster could only end in a hammering
Is it an open draw for the Semi Final or is it one North v one South?
I predict shenanigans tomorrow and Cavan drawing Fermanagh.
Quote from: Westside on May 29, 2022, 08:11:56 PM
Is it an open draw for the Semi Final or is it one North v one South?
I predict shenanigans tomorrow and Cavan drawing Fermanagh.
Still split until semi stage. So Cavan will draw one of Fermanagh, Sligo, or Leitrim.
Quote from: Itchy on May 28, 2022, 10:50:03 PM
Solid display today from Cavan, inspired by a sublime performance from Ray Galligan who scored 7 long range frees and saved two penalties. Very poor turnout from Down supporters, doubt there was 100. That was sad to see from a GAA county I've a lot of respect for. As cavan man we know the feeling of a top club turning against their own county, happened for years with us too. I say tell Branigan and chums to fcuk off and focus on your underage and the lads who want to wear the famous Jersey.
Cavan motoring well but still have another gear or two.
Finally, what a joke Antrim are. Talked up all year and then bet out the gate by Leitrim. Too many shite talkers up there seems to me.
Not even remotely surprised there were only a few Down fans, i didn't go, I know lots of people that didn't go.
I go to the McKenna cup, Ulster, Qualifiers and even friendlies but I draw the line at the Tailteann.
What exactly are counties meant to get out of it? We could have just went into the qualifiers and been beat by anyone and would still have the same number of games?
Down were never going to beat Cavan, not this year, but that on its own wouldn't have stopped me going. I went to Clones and knew we didn't stand a chance of winning but it was in a competition that meant something!
Quote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2022, 07:49:53 PM
Carlow may have chosen to ignore Leinster and target their training for the last week of May. Perhaps they think the Tailteann cup something they can win whereas Leinster could only end in a hammering
How long before we start to hear stories of players with knocks and injuries not being risked in the provincials/being minded for the Tailteann Cup.
Quote from: Lazer on May 29, 2022, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 28, 2022, 10:50:03 PM
Solid display today from Cavan, inspired by a sublime performance from Ray Galligan who scored 7 long range frees and saved two penalties. Very poor turnout from Down supporters, doubt there was 100. That was sad to see from a GAA county I've a lot of respect for. As cavan man we know the feeling of a top club turning against their own county, happened for years with us too. I say tell Branigan and chums to fcuk off and focus on your underage and the lads who want to wear the famous Jersey.
Cavan motoring well but still have another gear or two.
Finally, what a joke Antrim are. Talked up all year and then bet out the gate by Leitrim. Too many shite talkers up there seems to me.
Not even remotely surprised there were only a few Down fans, i didn't go, I know lots of people that didn't go.
I go to the McKenna cup, Ulster, Qualifiers and even friendlies but I draw the line at the Tailteann.
What exactly are counties meant to get out of it? We could have just went into the qualifiers and been beat by anyone and would still have the same number of games?
Down were never going to beat Cavan, not this year, but that on its own wouldn't have stopped me going. I went to Clones and knew we didn't stand a chance of winning but it was in a competition that meant something!
A 2nd Tier competition is good enough for club football, ladies' football, hurling (county and club), rugby, soccer, just about very sport, but inappropriate for GAA county football?
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 29, 2022, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 29, 2022, 08:11:56 PM
Is it an open draw for the Semi Final or is it one North v one South?
I predict shenanigans tomorrow and Cavan drawing Fermanagh.
Still split until semi stage. So Cavan will draw one of Fermanagh, Sligo, or Leitrim.
Not much diesel needs for those trips.
9 games so far in the Tailteann Cup.
Winning margins in the 9 games 12,1,5,9,3,2,3,8,2
Average winning margin 5
Mean winning margin 3
What's worse .
Sunday game ignoring this competition or pretending the pundits have watched the games ?
The audio for the Antrim game sounded like there were 60'000 at it.
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Quote from: Lazer on May 29, 2022, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 28, 2022, 10:50:03 PM
Solid display today from Cavan, inspired by a sublime performance from Ray Galligan who scored 7 long range frees and saved two penalties. Very poor turnout from Down supporters, doubt there was 100. That was sad to see from a GAA county I've a lot of respect for. As cavan man we know the feeling of a top club turning against their own county, happened for years with us too. I say tell Branigan and chums to fcuk off and focus on your underage and the lads who want to wear the famous Jersey.
Cavan motoring well but still have another gear or two.
Finally, what a joke Antrim are. Talked up all year and then bet out the gate by Leitrim. Too many shite talkers up there seems to me.
Not even remotely surprised there were only a few Down fans, i didn't go, I know lots of people that didn't go.
I go to the McKenna cup, Ulster, Qualifiers and even friendlies but I draw the line at the Tailteann.
What exactly are counties meant to get out of it? We could have just went into the qualifiers and been beat by anyone and would still have the same number of games?
Down were never going to beat Cavan, not this year, but that on its own wouldn't have stopped me going. I went to Clones and knew we didn't stand a chance of winning but it was in a competition that meant something!
A 2nd Tier competition is good enough for club football, ladies' football, hurling (county and club), rugby, soccer, just about very sport, but inappropriate for GAA county football?
100%
Look at Mourinho and his players the other night winning a 3rd tier European Competition.
A competition's value is what you place on it. The former great counties need to remember that they're at their current level for a reason. A good run in a Tailteann cup could be the spur that some counties need to get back to the next level the apathy is annoying.
Yes it should be promoted better but you'll find that when the teams in it start taking it seriously everyone else will too!
Who would have thought that the 2 Ulster teams would be drawn against each other, its a real shock.
So Leitrim v Sligo, Fermanagh v Cavan, Carlow v Westmeath, and Offaly v New York. North section as you'd expect, it was always going to happen that these would draw each other
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Who would have thought that the 2 Ulster teams would be drawn against each other, its a real shock.
Huge shock. Imagine all 4 teams are looking forward to these new and novel pairings
Quote from: Westside on May 29, 2022, 08:11:56 PM
Is it an open draw for the Semi Final or is it one North v one South?
I predict shenanigans tomorrow and Cavan drawing Fermanagh.
Predictable.
Do New York come to Offaly?
Leitrim
Cavan
Westmeath
Offaly for me.
Fermanagh would be challengers but Longford seem poor this year and they seemed lucky enough to beat them. Sligo struggled with London too. (Though I have a feeling London are better than they used to be).
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2022, 08:55:26 AM
Do New York come to Offaly?
Yes, they are travelling here regardless. That was the (silly) idea about bringing them in at this level. They will travel for every match, so if they win the QF, it gives them 2 weeks until the SF.
Seems a bit silly.
Hard to see past Cavan winning this I would think.
Quote from: Westside on May 30, 2022, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 29, 2022, 08:11:56 PM
Is it an open draw for the Semi Final or is it one North v one South?
I predict shenanigans tomorrow and Cavan drawing Fermanagh.
Predictable.
Very predictable indeed.
Quote from: Westside on May 30, 2022, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 29, 2022, 08:11:56 PM
Is it an open draw for the Semi Final or is it one North v one South?
I predict shenanigans tomorrow and Cavan drawing Fermanagh.
Predictable.
Some hot and cold balls used there! ;)
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2022, 09:16:40 AM
Seems a bit silly.
Hard to see past Cavan winning this I would think.
There's never a lot between Cavan and Fermanagh. We'll be favourites but not overwhelmingly so. We look up for this competition and will want to pay Fermanagh back for last year's defeat. I still think it will be tight though.
Last year Fermanagh got incredibly lucky against a very wasteful Cavan team in a Covid national League game with nobody there.
Was Riceys second and last win as a manager .
Ricey now with Cavan which will add to it.
First has home advantage I take it?
Quote from: FermGael on May 30, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Last year Fermanagh got incredibly lucky against a very wasteful Cavan team in a Covid national League game with nobody there.
Was Riceys second and last win as a manager .
Ricey now with Cavan which will add to it.
To be fair, I don't think it could be described as incredibly lucky. Cavan were wasteful but Fermanagh were sharper on the day and fully deserved the win.
Different game this time around. Cavan over the post Ulster slump, there will likely be a healthy crowd.
Quote from: Westside on May 30, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 30, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Last year Fermanagh got incredibly lucky against a very wasteful Cavan team in a Covid national League game with nobody there.
Was Riceys second and last win as a manager .
Ricey now with Cavan which will add to it.
To be fair, I don't think it could be described as incredibly lucky. Cavan were wasteful but Fermanagh were sharper on the day and fully deserved the win.
Different game this time around. Cavan over the post Ulster slump, there will likely be a healthy crowd.
It was Cavans first game back after lockdown. Fermanagh, being in the North, were out of lockdown over a month earlier, and had challenge matches, more collective training etc. James Smith was sent off, and Cavan were stone cold and got it hard to get up to speed. And we're still unlucky to lose. A Cavan up to speed right now should be different like you say.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 30, 2022, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 30, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 30, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Last year Fermanagh got incredibly lucky against a very wasteful Cavan team in a Covid national League game with nobody there.
Was Riceys second and last win as a manager .
Ricey now with Cavan which will add to it.
To be fair, I don't think it could be described as incredibly lucky. Cavan were wasteful but Fermanagh were sharper on the day and fully deserved the win.
Different game this time around. Cavan over the post Ulster slump, there will likely be a healthy crowd.
It was Cavans first game back after lockdown. Fermanagh, being in the North, were out of lockdown over a month earlier, and had challenge matches, more collective training etc. James Smith was sent off, and Cavan were stone cold and got it hard to get up to speed. And we're still unlucky to lose. A Cavan up to speed right now should be different like you say.
As I recall we started Oisin Brady, Paddy Lynch and Caoimhin McGovern for their league debuts, Thomas Galligan was injured too. We are in a much healthier place this time out.
Hopefully we get a Sunday game and a big Cavan crowd will travel with it being a BH weekend
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1531038793565982720
Quote from: Westside on May 30, 2022, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 30, 2022, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 30, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 30, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Last year Fermanagh got incredibly lucky against a very wasteful Cavan team in a Covid national League game with nobody there.
Was Riceys second and last win as a manager .
Ricey now with Cavan which will add to it.
To be fair, I don't think it could be described as incredibly lucky. Cavan were wasteful but Fermanagh were sharper on the day and fully deserved the win.
Different game this time around. Cavan over the post Ulster slump, there will likely be a healthy crowd.
It was Cavans first game back after lockdown. Fermanagh, being in the North, were out of lockdown over a month earlier, and had challenge matches, more collective training etc. James Smith was sent off, and Cavan were stone cold and got it hard to get up to speed. And we're still unlucky to lose. A Cavan up to speed right now should be different like you say.
As I recall we started Oisin Brady, Paddy Lynch and Caoimhin McGovern for their league debuts, Thomas Galligan was injured too. We are in a much healthier place this time out.
Hopefully we get a Sunday game and a big Cavan crowd will travel with it being a BH weekend
Think McGovern made his debut the year before against Kildare (and didn't we get a slap on the wrist for this as he was actually too young?) but yeah, agreed on the others. We are in a far better place than then, as we're ticking along rather nicely
Odds out. Cavan at 1/3 with Fermanagh at 3/1. Handicap 3 points.
One of the best thingss about the tailteann is keeping the counties going beyond the provincial finals.
Still keeping the North and South regionals is stupid....presume it'll be open draw from the start next year?
Quote from: tintin25 on May 30, 2022, 12:43:15 PM
Still keeping the North and South regionals is stupid....presume it'll be open draw from the start next year?
No, the round robin system in Round 1 will still be split on geography. which is ridiculous. If the split was an issue, the main Qualifiers would have been split for years now. No idea why they think this is good. they split leagues for some reason last year, and now they're all gung ho for it.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 30, 2022, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 30, 2022, 12:43:15 PM
Still keeping the North and South regionals is stupid....presume it'll be open draw from the start next year?
No, the round robin system in Round 1 will still be split on geography. which is ridiculous. If the split was an issue, the main Qualifiers would have been split for years now. No idea why they think this is good. they split leagues for some reason last year, and now they're all gung ho for it.
At least they had the excuse of splitting the leagues due to covid last year. It was shite but was better than no football being played. Not sure who thought it was a good idea...
Wow Cavan Fermanagh who would have predicted that. Another shit draw against an Ulster team, you'd swear these GAA are rigged the amount of Ulster teams that get each other.
Noelle healy making the draw she must have some friends in RTE, LGFA not even the same association and shes doing GAA draws and punditry. But shes a Dub thats all that matters to RTE
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2022, 12:02:59 PM
One of the best thingss about the tailteann is keeping the counties going beyond the provincial finals.
Yeah that week or 2 will make all the difference! Great for teams like New York that get multiple byes
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 30, 2022, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 30, 2022, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 30, 2022, 12:43:15 PM
Still keeping the North and South regionals is stupid....presume it'll be open draw from the start next year?
No, the round robin system in Round 1 will still be split on geography. which is ridiculous. If the split was an issue, the main Qualifiers would have been split for years now. No idea why they think this is good. they split leagues for some reason last year, and now they're all gung ho for it.
At least they had the excuse of splitting the leagues due to covid last year. It was shite but was better than no football being played. Not sure who thought it was a good idea...
And that was a bad idea at that. How they ran Leagues over 3 games, and then had a relegation and promotion playoff based on those 3 games was a joke. Whoever came up with the idea for splits based on the geography of a small island needs their head examined
think i remember they had something that the league final was not to be played if the teams in the final had a chamoionship game coming up in a week or two what sort of nonesense was that.
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
Wow Cavan Fermanagh who would have predicted that. Another shit draw against an Ulster team, you'd swear these GAA are rigged the amount of Ulster teams that get each other.
Noelle healy making the draw she must have some friends in RTE, LGFA not even the same association and shes doing GAA draws and punditry. But shes a Dub thats all that matters to RTE
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yep, Noelle's fault that the geographical split is there for the Tailteann Cup!
There was a 2/1 chance that Cavan v Fermanagh would come up - but of course it coming up means there's a conspiracy.
Yes, Noelle has joined that long list of ex-Dublin players who have been regulars on RTE's GAA coverage over the last 40 years, after Ciaran Whelan and em.... the rest of them..... I'm sure I must be forgetting 5 or 6 Dublin players who featured regularly, given that's all that matters to RTE :o
Quote from: Hound on May 30, 2022, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
Wow Cavan Fermanagh who would have predicted that. Another shit draw against an Ulster team, you'd swear these GAA are rigged the amount of Ulster teams that get each other.
Noelle healy making the draw she must have some friends in RTE, LGFA not even the same association and shes doing GAA draws and punditry. But shes a Dub thats all that matters to RTE
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yep, Noelle's fault that the geographical split is there for the Tailteann Cup!
There was a 2/1 chance that Cavan v Fermanagh would come up - but of course it coming up means there's a conspiracy.
Yes, Noelle has joined that long list of ex-Dublin players who have been regulars on RTE's GAA coverage over the last 40 years, after Ciaran Whelan and em.... the rest of them..... I'm sure I must be forgetting 5 or 6 Dublin players who featured regularly, given that's all that matters to RTE :o
It was a 3/1 cnance!
Hasn't been a bad start to the tournament to be fair.
Carlow winning was great see, by all accounts the Westmeath Laois game was a cracker yesterday also.
Leitrim winning was also great.
We have New York next.
Quarter finals
Saturday
Offaly v New York at 2pm in O'Connor Park.
Sunday
Carlow v Westmeath in Cullen Park at 2pm
Leitrim v Sligo in Carrick on Shannon at 3pm
Fermanagh v Cavan in Brewster Park at 4pm
Leitrim v Sligo and Offaly v New York the games chosen for live GAAGO coverage.
4 p.m on a Sunday.
Asda will need to get their own brand stuff stocked up
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 30, 2022, 04:01:57 PM
Quarter finals
Saturday
Offaly v New York at 2pm in O'Connor Park.
Sunday
Carlow v Westmeath in Cullen Park at 2pm
Leitrim v Sligo in Carrick on Shannon at 3pm
Fermanagh v Cavan in Brewster Park at 4pm
Leitrim v Sligo and Offaly v New York the games chosen for live GAAGO coverage.
Fermanagh v Cavan would be more exciting than Offaly and flamin' NY.
Quote from: FermGael on May 30, 2022, 05:57:16 PM
4 p.m on a Sunday.
Asda will need to get their own brand stuff stocked up
Yeh, tell them to buy extra Pizzas as big Quigley cleaned them out the last time we were up
Cavan and Fermanagh know each other very well especially with Ricey and Kieran Donnelly involved in both set ups. I like Fermanagh doing well mostly sound folk and supporters. Unlike say an Armagh who are difficult to tolerate and lean towards thuggery on and off the field 8)
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 11:43:23 PM
Cavan and Fermanagh know each other very well especially with Ricey and Kieran Donnelly involved in both set ups. I like Fermanagh doing well mostly sound folk and supporters. Unlike say an Armagh who are difficult to tolerate and lean towards thuggery on and off the field 8)
With Ricey having been involved I expect there is some knowledge of the dark arts in the flooded county.
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 11:43:23 PM
Cavan and Fermanagh know each other very well especially with Ricey and Kieran Donnelly involved in both set ups. I like Fermanagh doing well mostly sound folk and supporters. Unlike say an Armagh who are difficult to tolerate and lean towards thuggery on and off the field 8)
That's a fair bit of mental gymnastics to fit Armagh into a thread on the Tailtean Cup.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 11:43:23 PM
Cavan and Fermanagh know each other very well especially with Ricey and Kieran Donnelly involved in both set ups. I like Fermanagh doing well mostly sound folk and supporters. Unlike say an Armagh who are difficult to tolerate and lean towards thuggery on and off the field 8)
That's a fair bit of mental gymnastics to fit Armagh into a thread on the Tailtean Cup.
I'll join in. With Armaghs recent Championship record, it's the likes of them that should be in the Tailteann Cup. It should never have been split on League only
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2022, 08:51:33 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 30, 2022, 04:01:57 PM
Quarter finals
Saturday
Offaly v New York at 2pm in O'Connor Park.
Sunday
Carlow v Westmeath in Cullen Park at 2pm
Leitrim v Sligo in Carrick on Shannon at 3pm
Fermanagh v Cavan in Brewster Park at 4pm
Leitrim v Sligo and Offaly v New York the games chosen for live GAAGO coverage.
Fermanagh v Cavan would be more exciting than Offaly and flamin' NY.
Offaly vs NY will probably still be a better game than any of the Provincial Finals that were on last weekend ffs.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 12:39:49 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 11:43:23 PM
Cavan and Fermanagh know each other very well especially with Ricey and Kieran Donnelly involved in both set ups. I like Fermanagh doing well mostly sound folk and supporters. Unlike say an Armagh who are difficult to tolerate and lean towards thuggery on and off the field 8)
That's a fair bit of mental gymnastics to fit Armagh into a thread on the Tailtean Cup.
I'll join in. With Armaghs recent Championship record, it's the likes of them that should be in the Tailteann Cup. It should never have been split on League only
And yes, it's tongue firmly in cheek so no need to bite, but saw the opportunity when you mentioned Armagh. Of course it's far more nuanced than that. But there's an element of truth in it.
One of the bonuses of the Tailteann Cup is removing the possibility of having to sit with/near Armagh supporters.
Quote from: Westside on May 31, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
One of the bonuses of the Tailteann Cup is removing the possibility of having to sit with/near Armagh supporters.
I didn't realise that Armagh had a rivalry with Cavan but every days a school day.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 12:39:49 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 11:43:23 PM
Cavan and Fermanagh know each other very well especially with Ricey and Kieran Donnelly involved in both set ups. I like Fermanagh doing well mostly sound folk and supporters. Unlike say an Armagh who are difficult to tolerate and lean towards thuggery on and off the field 8)
That's a fair bit of mental gymnastics to fit Armagh into a thread on the Tailtean Cup.
I'll join in. With Armaghs recent Championship record, it's the likes of them that should be in the Tailteann Cup. It should never have been split on League only
And yes, it's tongue firmly in cheek so no need to bite, but saw the opportunity when you mentioned Armagh. Of course it's far more nuanced than that. But there's an element of truth in it.
It's not biting, its simply pulling up nonsensical claims so join in if you want. An element of truth to what?
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 31, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
One of the bonuses of the Tailteann Cup is removing the possibility of having to sit with/near Armagh supporters.
I didn't realise that Armagh had a rivalry with Cavan but every days a school day.
Big row in the pre match parade 2014?
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 12:39:49 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 11:43:23 PM
Cavan and Fermanagh know each other very well especially with Ricey and Kieran Donnelly involved in both set ups. I like Fermanagh doing well mostly sound folk and supporters. Unlike say an Armagh who are difficult to tolerate and lean towards thuggery on and off the field 8)
That's a fair bit of mental gymnastics to fit Armagh into a thread on the Tailtean Cup.
I'll join in. With Armaghs recent Championship record, it's the likes of them that should be in the Tailteann Cup. It should never have been split on League only
And yes, it's tongue firmly in cheek so no need to bite, but saw the opportunity when you mentioned Armagh. Of course it's far more nuanced than that. But there's an element of truth in it.
It's not biting, its simply pulling up nonsensical claims so join in if you want. An element of truth to what?
Your Championship record is brutal. One of the worst in Ulster. And you're the last team to be in an Ulster final, everyone else has got there recently before you. But you do decently in Spring, so that lets you into Sam. If there was a weighting on championship results only (which it should be), you'd be doing well to not be in Tailteann. Mad system we have when you can be grand in Spring, bad in summer, but be rewarded. What was your last big Championship result?
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 31, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
One of the bonuses of the Tailteann Cup is removing the possibility of having to sit with/near Armagh supporters.
I didn't realise that Armagh had a rivalry with Cavan but every days a school day.
Big row in the pre match parade 2014?
Well I'd forgotten that myself. Given it's so long ago, I expect that very few players are still playing from that time. And I'm not sure what exactly the fans had to do with it either but you if you search hard enough to be offended I guess you will find a reason somewhere.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 12:39:49 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 11:43:23 PM
Cavan and Fermanagh know each other very well especially with Ricey and Kieran Donnelly involved in both set ups. I like Fermanagh doing well mostly sound folk and supporters. Unlike say an Armagh who are difficult to tolerate and lean towards thuggery on and off the field 8)
That's a fair bit of mental gymnastics to fit Armagh into a thread on the Tailtean Cup.
I'll join in. With Armaghs recent Championship record, it's the likes of them that should be in the Tailteann Cup. It should never have been split on League only
And yes, it's tongue firmly in cheek so no need to bite, but saw the opportunity when you mentioned Armagh. Of course it's far more nuanced than that. But there's an element of truth in it.
It's not biting, its simply pulling up nonsensical claims so join in if you want. An element of truth to what?
Your Championship record is brutal. One of the worst in Ulster. And you're the last team to be in an Ulster final, everyone else has got there recently before you. But you do decently in Spring, so that lets you into Sam. If there was a weighting on championship results only (which it should be), you'd be doing well to not be in Tailteann. Mad system we have when you can be grand in Spring, bad in summer, but be rewarded. What was your last big Championship result?
The League is still the best gauge of a teams level. Championship results can mask a teams true standing depending on the draw although I accept that Armagh have a poor record in Ulster championship in recent times. If championship was used as a barometer then Derry would have been playing Tailteann cup this year also. I'm not sure how you define a 'big' championship win but we beat Derry 2 years ago.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 01:22:36 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 01:04:20 PM
Your Championship record is brutal. One of the worst in Ulster. And you're the last team to be in an Ulster final, everyone else has got there recently before you. But you do decently in Spring, so that lets you into Sam. If there was a weighting on championship results only (which it should be), you'd be doing well to not be in Tailteann. Mad system we have when you can be grand in Spring, bad in summer, but be rewarded. What was your last big Championship result?
The League is still the best gauge of a teams level. Championship results can mask a teams true standing depending on the draw although I accept that Armagh have a poor record in Ulster championship in recent times. If championship was used as a barometer then Derry would have been playing Tailteann cup this year also. I'm not sure how you define a 'big' championship win but we beat Derry 2 years ago.
Is it though? Take Cavan for instance. We've reached 2 Ulster finals, winning 1, while going down the divisions. We've beaten numerous Division 1 teams last 4 years. Last 4 years we've only been beaten by Division 1 teams in Championship. That's a far better Championship record than likes of Louth and Limerick and others who are there based solely on league. We concentrated on Championship, while using league to blood players. Are Cavan a Division 4 level team in reality? League is not always the best gauge of some teams, as it is our secondary competition. Championship doesn't mask anything, it is the main competition. A combination of both is needed maybe. I don't know of a Championship in the country who splits yearly on league only. They are all based on previous years Championships and moving up and down from them.
And Derry wouldn't be. They reached the final. Even before winning on Sunday, they deserve their place by reaching it.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 01:22:36 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 01:04:20 PM
Your Championship record is brutal. One of the worst in Ulster. And you're the last team to be in an Ulster final, everyone else has got there recently before you. But you do decently in Spring, so that lets you into Sam. If there was a weighting on championship results only (which it should be), you'd be doing well to not be in Tailteann. Mad system we have when you can be grand in Spring, bad in summer, but be rewarded. What was your last big Championship result?
The League is still the best gauge of a teams level. Championship results can mask a teams true standing depending on the draw although I accept that Armagh have a poor record in Ulster championship in recent times. If championship was used as a barometer then Derry would have been playing Tailteann cup this year also. I'm not sure how you define a 'big' championship win but we beat Derry 2 years ago.
Is it though? Take Cavan for instance. We've reached 2 Ulster finals, winning 1, while going down the divisions. We've beaten numerous Division 1 teams last 4 years. Last 4 years we've only been beaten by Division 1 teams in Championship. That's a far better Championship record than likes of Louth and Limerick and others who are there based solely on league. We concentrated on Championship, while using league to blood players. Are Cavan a Division 4 level team in reality? League is not always the best gauge of some teams, as it is our secondary competition. Championship doesn't mask anything, it is the main competition. A combination of both is needed maybe. I don't know of a Championship in the country who splits yearly on league only. They are all based on previous years Championships and moving up and down from them.
And Derry wouldn't be. They reached the final. Even before winning on Sunday, they deserve their place by reaching it.
I would say Cavan and Derry in recent years were two anomalies but by and large the League is still the best gauge. Neither were division 4 teams to begin with but for whatever reason they drifted into it. If League position was linked to championship status perhaps this might not have happened.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 02:22:09 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 01:22:36 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 01:04:20 PM
Your Championship record is brutal. One of the worst in Ulster. And you're the last team to be in an Ulster final, everyone else has got there recently before you. But you do decently in Spring, so that lets you into Sam. If there was a weighting on championship results only (which it should be), you'd be doing well to not be in Tailteann. Mad system we have when you can be grand in Spring, bad in summer, but be rewarded. What was your last big Championship result?
The League is still the best gauge of a teams level. Championship results can mask a teams true standing depending on the draw although I accept that Armagh have a poor record in Ulster championship in recent times. If championship was used as a barometer then Derry would have been playing Tailteann cup this year also. I'm not sure how you define a 'big' championship win but we beat Derry 2 years ago.
Is it though? Take Cavan for instance. We've reached 2 Ulster finals, winning 1, while going down the divisions. We've beaten numerous Division 1 teams last 4 years. Last 4 years we've only been beaten by Division 1 teams in Championship. That's a far better Championship record than likes of Louth and Limerick and others who are there based solely on league. We concentrated on Championship, while using league to blood players. Are Cavan a Division 4 level team in reality? League is not always the best gauge of some teams, as it is our secondary competition. Championship doesn't mask anything, it is the main competition. A combination of both is needed maybe. I don't know of a Championship in the country who splits yearly on league only. They are all based on previous years Championships and moving up and down from them.
And Derry wouldn't be. They reached the final. Even before winning on Sunday, they deserve their place by reaching it.
I would say Cavan and Derry in recent years were two anomalies but by and large the League is still the best gauge. Neither were division 4 teams to begin with but for whatever reason they drifted into it. If League position was linked to championship status perhaps this might not have happened.
Cavan were probably really the only anomaly. Derry seemed to deserve to drift down those years, as both their Championship and League record was bad at that time. Fair play to them for coming out of it though. Cavan, however, went down while maintaining good Championship results. And a huge bugbear of mine is that they used Covid disrupted leagues to gauge this. Cavan relegated from Division 2 on a decent points total on head to head. And down to Division 4 on a truncated League, while suffering a hangover from winning ulster a few months before. Should never have been down there.
Anyway, I've made my point. There's probably no perfect answer. Leagues tells some of the story, but not all of it. Like are some Division 1 teams really better than Dublin being now a division ahead of them? It is far more nuanced, and I was fishing a wee bit.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 31, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
One of the bonuses of the Tailteann Cup is removing the possibility of having to sit with/near Armagh supporters.
I didn't realise that Armagh had a rivalry with Cavan but every days a school day.
We don't consider Armagh rivals. Merely an annoyance. Upstarts who don't know how to behave either on the field or in the stands.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 31, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
One of the bonuses of the Tailteann Cup is removing the possibility of having to sit with/near Armagh supporters.
I didn't realise that Armagh had a rivalry with Cavan but every days a school day.
Big row in the pre match parade 2014?
Well I'd forgotten that myself. Given it's so long ago, I expect that very few players are still playing from that time. And I'm not sure what exactly the fans had to do with it either but you if you search hard enough to be offended I guess you will find a reason somewhere.
Still a few from Cavan playing, but I'm more messing than anything. My mother still has no time for Armagh since it! ;D
Quote from: Westside on May 31, 2022, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 31, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
One of the bonuses of the Tailteann Cup is removing the possibility of having to sit with/near Armagh supporters.
I didn't realise that Armagh had a rivalry with Cavan but every days a school day.
We don't consider Armagh rivals. Merely an annoyance. Upstarts who don't know how to behave either on the field or in the stands.
🤣🤣 If GAA fans had the same approach over incidents that happened at matches in the past there would be nobody sitting beside each other in grounds up and down the country.
In my opinion league is too simple to measure it. So for example Armagh going out training 6 months before everyone else so they are flying in the league does not make them a better team. By and large everyone is at similar level of fitness for championship so thats where teams should be measured.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 02:30:07 PM
Cavan were probably really the only anomaly. Derry seemed to deserve to drift down those years, as both their Championship and League record was bad at that time. Fair play to them for coming out of it though. Cavan, however, went down while maintaining good Championship results. And a huge bugbear of mine is that they used Covid disrupted leagues to gauge this. Cavan relegated from Division 2 on a decent points total on head to head. And down to Division 4 on a truncated League, while suffering a hangover from winning ulster a few months before. Should never have been down there.
Anyway, I've made my point. There's probably no perfect answer. Leagues tells some of the story, but not all of it. Like are some Division 1 teams really better than Dublin being now a division ahead of them? It is far more nuanced, and I was fishing a wee bit.
I agree about the Covid leagues being used as the gauge, that combined with the Tailteann having a knockout and N/S Divisions this year makes it a nonsense.
Would have been far better to delay a year and set up properly and had the correct format in place for year one.
For all those teams that got knocked out in the first round of Tailteann what have they gained over being knocked out of the first round of the qualifiers?
Quote from: Itchy on May 31, 2022, 03:36:29 PM
In my opinion league is too simple to measure it. So for example Armagh going out training 6 months before everyone else so they are flying in the league does not make them a better team. By and large everyone is at similar level of fitness for championship so thats where teams should be measured.
But how do you measure championship performance when luck of the draw could see a big team knocked out early. Should Monaghan, Tyrone, Armagh or Mayo fall into the Tailteann Cup next year if they fail to win their first round qualifier next week at the expense of say Limerick, Tipperary or Leitrim? League is still the best gauge of performance. If teams are so concerned about getting back up the ladder then they will have to take the League more seriously. Incidentally I don't think many counties don't take the League seriously in the modern era. Sure Armagh have started training for next years League already.
League is the fairest. It's over 7 games. Maybe the Tailteann will change how D2 teams think about relegation.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 05:37:10 PM
Sure Armagh have started training for next years League already.
That's because they do SFA in the championship.
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 05:37:10 PM
Sure Armagh have started training for next years League already.
That's because they do SFA in the championship.
It's Geezer's fault
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2022, 05:58:58 PM
League is the fairest. It's over 7 games. Maybe the Tailteann will change how D2 teams think about relegation.
It wasn't though. Some teams are in it due to a 3 group game league in 2021. And how really is it fairest? Winter/early Spring football, a few inopportune injuries and you're out of the championship in summer? Like we can relegate someone on winter football score difference. It's too arbitrary, league directly linked to Championship isn't done anywhere else in GAA. There has to be better ways than this.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 07:52:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2022, 05:58:58 PM
League is the fairest. It's over 7 games. Maybe the Tailteann will change how D2 teams think about relegation.
It wasn't though. Some teams are in it due to a 3 group game league in 2021. And how really is it fairest? Winter/early Spring football, a few inopportune injuries and you're out of the championship in summer? Like we can relegate someone on winter football score difference. It's too arbitrary, league directly linked to Championship isn't done anywhere else in GAA. There has to be better ways than this.
I'll give you the fact that League campaigns were shortened in 2021 due to Covid which may have skewed things. But otherwise I really don't see the complaints.
Cavan will have two chances to get back up to Sam Maguire status before next years championship. Either win the Tailteann Cup or finish in the top 2 in division three. If they are incapable of doing that then they can have no complaints over pitches being too soft or the likes. The rules are the same for everybody. In Armagh club football a teams championship grading is linked to league performance and it works very well.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 07:52:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2022, 05:58:58 PM
League is the fairest. It's over 7 games. Maybe the Tailteann will change how D2 teams think about relegation.
It wasn't though. Some teams are in it due to a 3 group game league in 2021. And how really is it fairest? Winter/early Spring football, a few inopportune injuries and you're out of the championship in summer? Like we can relegate someone on winter football score difference. It's too arbitrary, league directly linked to Championship isn't done anywhere else in GAA. There has to be better ways than this.
I'll give you the fact that League campaigns were shortened in 2021 due to Covid which may have skewed things. But otherwise I really don't see the complaints.
Cavan will have two chances to get back up to Sam Maguire status before next years championship. Either win the Tailteann Cup or finish in the top 2 in division three. If they are incapable of doing that then they can have no complaints over pitches being too soft or the likes. The rules are the same for everybody. In Armagh club football a teams championship grading is linked to league performance and it works very well.
Plus the League usually sorts the wheat from the chaff. If a team isn't promoted it's usually easily explained. A championship based set of metrics would be impossible to agree on.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 31, 2022, 07:52:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2022, 05:58:58 PM
League is the fairest. It's over 7 games. Maybe the Tailteann will change how D2 teams think about relegation.
It wasn't though. Some teams are in it due to a 3 group game league in 2021. And how really is it fairest? Winter/early Spring football, a few inopportune injuries and you're out of the championship in summer? Like we can relegate someone on winter football score difference. It's too arbitrary, league directly linked to Championship isn't done anywhere else in GAA. There has to be better ways than this.
I'll give you the fact that League campaigns were shortened in 2021 due to Covid which may have skewed things. But otherwise I really don't see the complaints.
Cavan will have two chances to get back up to Sam Maguire status before next years championship. Either win the Tailteann Cup or finish in the top 2 in division three. If they are incapable of doing that then they can have no complaints over pitches being too soft or the likes. The rules are the same for everybody. In Armagh club football a teams championship grading is linked to league performance and it works very well.
We'll likely do both. But that's no good for this year, basing the split on Covid disrupted leagues. I just feel its not right overall. Where in any county or club championship has entry to Championship been determined yearly on winter league football?
Based on all this wisdom, Dublin are outside the top 8 in ireland since they got relegated. It may be difficult to grade teams in championship but that is where every team wants to be atbtheir best. How anyone could think league position tells you where you are, well only counties that flop in championship would think that.
Quote from: Itchy on May 31, 2022, 10:10:40 PM
Based on all this wisdom, Dublin are outside the top 8 in ireland since they got relegated. It may be difficult to grade teams in championship but that is where every team wants to be atbtheir best. How anyone could think league position tells you where you are, well only counties that flop in championship would think that.
League positions will dictate from now on. Cavan will not allow a slip to Divison 4 again in a hurry.
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 12:26:32 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 31, 2022, 10:10:40 PM
Based on all this wisdom, Dublin are outside the top 8 in ireland since they got relegated. It may be difficult to grade teams in championship but that is where every team wants to be atbtheir best. How anyone could think league position tells you where you are, well only counties that flop in championship would think that.
League positions will dictate from now on. Cavan will not allow a slip to Divison 4 again in a hurry.
Which is no bad thing, the league is the best format competition the GAA have and all should take it serious.
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 12:26:32 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 31, 2022, 10:10:40 PM
Based on all this wisdom, Dublin are outside the top 8 in ireland since they got relegated. It may be difficult to grade teams in championship but that is where every team wants to be atbtheir best. How anyone could think league position tells you where you are, well only counties that flop in championship would think that.
League positions will dictate from now on. Cavan will not allow a slip to Divison 4 again in a hurry.
Cavan were in div4 because they fucked up. You'll not hear me blame league structure for that. They were relegated because they lost a league play off to Wicklow, end of story and no excuses for that.
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 12:26:32 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 31, 2022, 10:10:40 PM
Based on all this wisdom, Dublin are outside the top 8 in ireland since they got relegated. It may be difficult to grade teams in championship but that is where every team wants to be atbtheir best. How anyone could think league position tells you where you are, well only counties that flop in championship would think that.
League positions will dictate from now on. Cavan will not allow a slip to Divison 4 again in a hurry.
I just think it'll skew things a bit. Cavan have a good squad, but limited outside the main 15-18. If we've anyone out of a bit of form, a few injuries, then we're very quickly running on fumes. Even resting players after a long year, and trying to blood new players leaves some exposed. League should not solely be about determining your Championship. It allows teams to try things, new players, tactics. But now we're telling them they need to be dialled in from the 4th weekend in January, and keep that going until summer. Some small counties can't.
Cavan showed to be a Championship team, even with dropping down the divisions (albeit it in weird circumstances). Do we want a situation where we want teams to be be like Armagh and Monaghan? Look great all Spring, but poor come Championship time? They time their runs all wrong to stay in Division 1. Is this really what we want for teams for Championship? Linking the League is the wrong thing imo.
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 01, 2022, 08:04:19 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 12:26:32 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 31, 2022, 10:10:40 PM
Based on all this wisdom, Dublin are outside the top 8 in ireland since they got relegated. It may be difficult to grade teams in championship but that is where every team wants to be atbtheir best. How anyone could think league position tells you where you are, well only counties that flop in championship would think that.
League positions will dictate from now on. Cavan will not allow a slip to Divison 4 again in a hurry.
I just think it'll skew things a bit. Cavan have a good squad, but limited outside the main 15-18. If we've anyone out of a bit of form, a few injuries, then we're very quickly running on fumes. Even resting players after a long year, and trying to blood new players leaves some exposed. League should not solely be about determining your Championship. It allows teams to try things, new players, tactics. But now we're telling them they need to be dialled in from the 4th weekend in January, and keep that going until summer. Some small counties can't.
Cavan showed to be a Championship team, even with dropping down the divisions (albeit it in weird circumstances). Do we want a situation where we want teams to be be like Armagh and Monaghan? Look great all Spring, but poor come Championship time? They time their runs all wrong to stay in Division 1. Is this really what we want for teams for Championship? Linking the League is the wrong thing imo.
We've only looked good for one Spring lately! And still a good chance to redeeem ourselves on Sunday
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2022, 08:19:51 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 01, 2022, 08:04:19 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 12:26:32 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 31, 2022, 10:10:40 PM
Based on all this wisdom, Dublin are outside the top 8 in ireland since they got relegated. It may be difficult to grade teams in championship but that is where every team wants to be atbtheir best. How anyone could think league position tells you where you are, well only counties that flop in championship would think that.
League positions will dictate from now on. Cavan will not allow a slip to Divison 4 again in a hurry.
I just think it'll skew things a bit. Cavan have a good squad, but limited outside the main 15-18. If we've anyone out of a bit of form, a few injuries, then we're very quickly running on fumes. Even resting players after a long year, and trying to blood new players leaves some exposed. League should not solely be about determining your Championship. It allows teams to try things, new players, tactics. But now we're telling them they need to be dialled in from the 4th weekend in January, and keep that going until summer. Some small counties can't.
Cavan showed to be a Championship team, even with dropping down the divisions (albeit it in weird circumstances). Do we want a situation where we want teams to be be like Armagh and Monaghan? Look great all Spring, but poor come Championship time? They time their runs all wrong to stay in Division 1. Is this really what we want for teams for Championship? Linking the League is the wrong thing imo.
We've only looked good for one Spring lately! And still a good chance to redeeem ourselves on Sunday
Ah I get you, although you've done fine in Spring last few years to get up to Division 1 and stay there for 2 years. My point is, that it hasn't been replicated into summer. Yet.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0530/1302106-spillane-tailteann-cup-is-going-to-be-a-huge-success/
Amid all the hand-wringing about one-sided provincial finals - on Saturday at least - Pat Spillane pointed to what he regarded as one of the bright spots of the weekend: the Tailteann Cup.
The months preceding the inaugural competition witnessed doom-laden prophecies about player apathy and large-scale opt-outs, as well as a great deal of grumbling about an alleged paucity of pre-publicity.
But, according to Spillane, the early signs are that the Tailteann Cup is beginning to gather some momentum.
After the preliminary rounds, the tournament shot into a higher gear at the weekend, with Carlow - utterly abject throughout 2022 - shocking Tipp in Netwatch Cullen Park, and Andy Moran's Leitrim overcoming Antrim in Carrick.
"The Tailteann Cup is starting to be a huge success. It's going to be a huge success," Spillane told the RTÉ GAA podcast.
"When I saw the Carlow players celebrating after that victory, I said 'that's it! That's brilliant'.
"Take Leitrim and Sligo, one of them is going to get into a Tailteann Cup semi-final. For one of them, it will be their fifth championship game of the year.
"Go back through the records, when did Leitrim or Sligo ever play five championship games in the one year? Probably never, maybe once? (Sligo played six en route to All-Ireland quarter-final in 2002)
"Not alone that but they'll be playing that fifth game of the championship in Croke Park and it will be live on RTÉ television.
"I've looked at the teams still in it. No one has dropped out. They're committing, they're training hard, they've full-strength teams.
Carlow, who were humiliated in the league - one victory against Waterford - who were humiliated in the Leinster championship. The easy option for Niall Carew and his players was to say, 'ah, feck this anyway...'
"They said, look, we'll give it a crack, this is our level. They trained hard, they had challenge games and they mightn't win another game but yesterday was their day in the sun. And I thought, 'this Tailteann Cup, it's good'."
Monday's draw has thrown up a couple of local derbies - perhaps unsurprisingly given the contentious north-south design of the competition - with Fermanagh colliding with their old nemesis Cavan in Brewster Park.
While Sligo - who currently boast Pat Spillane Jr in their ranks - travel to Carrick to face Leitrim. The carrot of a semi-final trip to Croker is on offer.
Two quarter-finals in the Tailteann Cup next weekend will probably have close to full-house at Páirc Sean in Carrick-on-Shannon, the local derby Sligo and Leitrim and at Brewster Park, Fermanagh and Cavan.
"They'll be close to full-house for a quarter-final of a competition which, a couple of months ago, a lot of teams didn't want.
"It's a good positive story to take out of the weekend, rather than bashing the provincial championships. It's exactly what we didn't get in Killarney, it's a level playing field, teams of equal ability playing against each other."
Me and the 2 kids last week into Breffni = 15 euro
This week, same people into Brewster = 30 euro
Double the cost only 1 week later. Just like the north/south, its all about the money.
Offaly 2-10 New York 0-5 at half time. 3-17 to 0-11 it finished.
Quote from: Itchy on June 04, 2022, 12:07:18 PM
Me and the 2 kids last week into Breffni = 15 euro
This week, same people into Brewster = 30 euro
Double the cost only 1 week later. Just like the north/south, its all about the money.
Disgraceful stuff really by GAA
Half time Carlow 2-5 Westmeath 1-10
Full time Carlow 2-13 Westmeath 1-21
Cavan 2-5 Fermanagh 0-7 at half time.
FT Fermanagh 0-13 Cavan 2-16
FT in Carrick on Shannon, extra time required after Leitrim scored the last 4 points. 2-13 to 1-16
FT AET Leitrim 2-16 Sligo 1-19. Penalties to find a winner. Sligo win on penalties
Sligo 1 ahead since the first round
Sligo go through
Great excitement in Carrick but Sligo should have wrapped it up in normal time.
A load of wides and conceding last 4 scores.
I'd say they're damn glad they have 2 weeks to next game.
Where to start on that display.
Cavan by far the better team.
Yet again we concede a goal from the throw in.
I think that's the third or fourth this year.
Got our match ups wrong in the first 15 minutes and Cavan got off to a real flyer .
Battled back well after we made some positional switches to be only 2 points down and then conceded another awful goal
After that we just didn't count..
Cavan twice went down to 14 men with black cards and we didn't do anything with the extra man. In fact they second time they outscored us.
We hit an awful lot of bad wides and most of our key men were kept very quiet.
Cavan were much sharper and will be hard stopped
They look a class above ( as hard as it is for me to type those words )
I am delighted that we are in the semi-final and our players get to experience Croke Park.
Make no mistake Leitrim were atrocious, I have never seen a team give away such cheap turnovers consistently and give us that much space in the middle third. On the Sligo hand, I have never seen us make such hard work of winning (although it was a draw) when you are about 7/8 pts better team. I know the Leitrim disallowed goal should have stood so that's tough on them but 17 wides, 3/4 dropped shorts 3 clear goal chances all missed made it close.
We are masters of self-sabotage sometimes and my feet remain very much on the ground after that. I did have one continuous thought throughout the match in that we have beaten Leitrim underage teams convincingly and consistently last 15 years and we still end up not being that far ahead at senior. Shows all the underage success not counting for much. I have a lot of other serious thoughts on that but I'll keep them for another day.
Strong solid display for Cavan in Brewster today. Thomas Galligan stomping around knocking fellas like skittles is a sight to behold. Our lads looked well up for it and stormed into an early lead but then we seemed to ease off and Fermanagh got themselves back into it only to concede a goal you might see at an U12 game where Fermanagh full back couldn't pick the ball up allowing galligan to poke it to Faulkner to goal.
Fermanagh stuck at it and I expected a big push from them in the 2nd half as there were only 4 points on it but it never happened which is a bit of a mystery. That allowed Cavan to canter to the finish line and over all the years we've never had such a comfortable win against Fermanagh. Happy enough with the display, on to the semi.
Good win for Cavan and much more comfortable than expected. Fermanagh fought back after an initial burst by Cavan and I thought we were in for the usual arm wrestle to the finish.
Fermanagh were so sloppy though and Cavans second goal came against the run of play and Fermanagh kicked 4 wides in a row after it and it sapped the life out of them.
Cavan managed the game well and spent 20 minutes of the game with 14 men.
Thomas Galligan looked like a men amongst boys today, his strength and power on a different level and hes a marvellous footballer on top of that. Gearoid kicked into life after Quigley bizzarely came out the field to rip his jersey in the first half. He looks like a man determined to finish his Cavan career on a high.
Not a vintage display from Cavan by any means, lots to improve on for Croke Park in 2 weeks time.
Westmeath v Offaly
Sligo v Cavan
As we all expected I think...
Sunday July 19th both in Croke Park live on RTE
1:45pm Sligo v Cavan
4pm Westmeath v Offaly
25 euro for tickets and it looks like only the lower Hogan stand will be open in unreserved tickets.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 02:26:51 PM
Sunday July 19th both in Croke Park live on RTE
1:45pm Sligo v Cavan
4pm Westmeath v Offaly
25 euro for tickets and it looks like only the lower Hogan stand will be open in unreserved tickets.
I'd say the good people of all 4 ounces would rather a neutral stadium near to both at 15 euro entry. A secondary competition with Sam maguire prices.
Disappointing that kids aren't free, it would have meant a decent crowd, I can see families staying away to some extent
For pricing had been as follows
Rd 1 - adult 15e, children free
Rd 2 - adult 20e, children 5e
Semi - adult 15e, children 5e
Seems a bit all over the shop and unplanned.
Think adults are 25 Itchy. It's an expensive day out for a family. They'll be lucky to see 20,000 at this. It's a good carrot for the players but it will be a sad looking scene in Croker.
Quote from: Westside on June 10, 2022, 10:02:32 PM
Think adults are 25 Itchy. It's an expensive day out for a family. They'll be lucky to see 20,000 at this. It's a good carrot for the players but it will be a sad looking scene in Croker.
Is it! The GAA really shooting themselves in the foot. Even if they kept it down for the 1st year to promote it and get it off the ground.
The GAA are in trouble on the football side of things revenue-wise. Prices in the Tailteann are hoped to re-coup some revenue.
Saturday July 9th the final set for in Croke Park, at 3pm
On before the senior semi final Galway or Armagh v Derry or Clare, at 5.30pm
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2022, 11:04:40 AM
The GAA are in trouble on the football side of things revenue-wise. Prices in the Tailteann are hoped to re-coup some revenue.
They're not going to recover much at the Tailteann semis anyway.
How are the Sligonians feeling about Sunday? The game against Cavan earlier in the year will give them confidence. They had Cavan on the ropes until we got a lucky goal.
From a Cavan point of view, I'm looking forward to seeing the lads play in Croke Park in summer. We have put 4 good consecutive performances together, which is a level of consistency unseen under Graham. We've been a different animal in Championship though and barring our form falling off a cliff, I think we'll have too much for Sligo.
Should be a 6 point minimum win on paper...
Haven't seen Sligo but Cavan are a summer team
I expect in the Tailteann final that the Armagh fans will cheer for Sligo with a good Armagh man leading them
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2022, 02:00:07 AM
I expect in the Tailteann final that the Armagh fans will cheer for Sligo with a good Armagh man leading them
Are you predicting Sligo will be beating Cavan this weekend so to make that final? Cavan 1/5 with the bookies
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2022, 09:17:29 PM
Should be a 6 point minimum win on paper...
Haven't seen Sligo but Cavan are a summer team
Are they? Didn't they win Ulster in the winter?
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2022, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2022, 09:17:29 PM
Should be a 6 point minimum win on paper...
Haven't seen Sligo but Cavan are a summer team
Are they? Didn't they win Ulster in the winter?
Struggled past London, Sligo, Carlow in the league. Have won 3 games by 9 points this summer so far. The difference between this Cavan side this winter and this summer is night and day.
Are we expecting around 20k Sunday? Do Croke Park still have the restaurant open and do dinners? Been a while since I've been in. Assume pints are crap and in plastic cup costing 7 quid or some nonsense.
Quote from: Westside on June 14, 2022, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2022, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2022, 09:17:29 PM
Should be a 6 point minimum win on paper...
Haven't seen Sligo but Cavan are a summer team
Are they? Didn't they win Ulster in the winter?
Struggled past London, Sligo, Carlow in the league. Have won 3 games by 9 points this summer so far. The difference between this Cavan side this winter and this summer is night and day.
Fair enough
One of the best things bout the Tailteann Cup is that it gives teams the opportunity to build up some momentum. Cavan will definitely benefit from that later on.
While it may be speaking too soon ahead of Sunday, I think Cavan are learning to win the games they are expected to win. In the past couple of years we've seen them lose games to Fermanagh, Clare, Wicklow through lack of game management and a bit of complacency. We are now willing to make the game boring when necessary, use the advantage we have in terms of experience and physicality to get results. I hope that continues. If we get past Sligo, there could be a great final as I don't think we are too far ahead of Westmeath or Offaly.
From a Sligo viewpoint I can only see a comfortable Cavan victory. We have been unable to beat London and Leitrim in normal time on the way to the semi final. A much superior team like Cavan should beat us comfortably. Having said that if Niall Murphy returns it should improve the conversion rate percentage which has been a big issue the last 2 games. However there are too many other issues around the field. The experiment of playing without a recognised midfielder despite having about 7/8 on the panel is baffling. Cavan should dominate in this area. Cavan by 7+
Best of luck to our 3 neighbours on Sunday.
Hard to see anything other than a Cavan win while the other could go either way.
Westmeath might have a greater hunger to win something while some Biffs might think themselves above this competition.
Indo stating only 8,000 expected in Croker for semi finals on Sunday. Disappointing if that's the case, maybe Tailteann hasn't caught public support as was stated.
Probably fuel costs and lack of accommodation is big part. Anyone any thoughts? There was at least 5,000 each at Sligo Leitrim and Cavan Fermanagh. 8,000 for a double header would be a very poor turnout again in Croke Park.
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 01:28:55 PM
Indo stating only 8,000 expected in Croker for semi finals on Sunday. Disappointing if that's the case, maybe Tailteann hasn't caught public support as was stated.
Probably fuel costs and lack of accommodation is big part. Anyone any thoughts? There was at least 5,000 each at Sligo Leitrim and Cavan Fermanagh. 8,000 for a double header would be a very poor turnout again in Croke Park.
I cant see that being the case.
Quote from: Itchy on June 16, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 01:28:55 PM
Indo stating only 8,000 expected in Croker for semi finals on Sunday. Disappointing if that's the case, maybe Tailteann hasn't caught public support as was stated.
Probably fuel costs and lack of accommodation is big part. Anyone any thoughts? There was at least 5,000 each at Sligo Leitrim and Cavan Fermanagh. 8,000 for a double header would be a very poor turnout again in Croke Park.
I cant see that being the case.
I'd expect 20k at least
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 16, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 01:28:55 PM
Indo stating only 8,000 expected in Croker for semi finals on Sunday. Disappointing if that's the case, maybe Tailteann hasn't caught public support as was stated.
Probably fuel costs and lack of accommodation is big part. Anyone any thoughts? There was at least 5,000 each at Sligo Leitrim and Cavan Fermanagh. 8,000 for a double header would be a very poor turnout again in Croke Park.
I cant see that being the case.
I'd expect 20k at least
Still poor for Croke park unfortunately won't lend itself to a great atmosphere.
Surely these fuel/accommodation prices have to hit a peak at some point and come back to reasonable levels.
I heard there was 17k last weekend with Mayo Clare Roscommon and Clare. Going by that, if we break 10k Sunday it will be a decent showing.
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 16, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 01:28:55 PM
Indo stating only 8,000 expected in Croker for semi finals on Sunday. Disappointing if that's the case, maybe Tailteann hasn't caught public support as was stated.
Probably fuel costs and lack of accommodation is big part. Anyone any thoughts? There was at least 5,000 each at Sligo Leitrim and Cavan Fermanagh. 8,000 for a double header would be a very poor turnout again in Croke Park.
I cant see that being the case.
I'd expect 20k at least
Only the lower Hogan stand will be open this Sunday and that apparently has the capacity of 15,600.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 16, 2022, 05:46:27 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 16, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 01:28:55 PM
Indo stating only 8,000 expected in Croker for semi finals on Sunday. Disappointing if that's the case, maybe Tailteann hasn't caught public support as was stated.
Probably fuel costs and lack of accommodation is big part. Anyone any thoughts? There was at least 5,000 each at Sligo Leitrim and Cavan Fermanagh. 8,000 for a double header would be a very poor turnout again in Croke Park.
I cant see that being the case.
I'd expect 20k at least
Only the lower Hogan stand will be open this Sunday and that apparently has the capacity of 15,600.
what is the point opening Croker for that..
The same point as playing
Junior/Inter Club hurling finals
Junior/Inter club football finals
Div 3 and 4 NFL finals
Ring, Rackard and Meagher Finals
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2022, 06:54:49 PM
The same point as playing
Junior/Inter Club hurling finals
Junior/Inter club football finals
Div 3 and 4 NFL finals
Ring, Rackard and Meagher Finals
That's it in a nutshell.
Probably a Cavan Westmeath final but I'd love to see Sligo win it. It's be a shame if the fans don't turn out. Westmeath, Offaly used to bring great crowds in the 90's and 00's. They might as well go for this because outside of this and the league there's no chance of a trophy. Same goes for a lot of teams in Leinster. I wouldn't even mind if Meath end up in it. We're not in a place to challenge Dublin yet but we could land this if we were in it.
club semi finals are not played at croke park
Quote from: Eire90 on June 17, 2022, 07:23:53 AM
club semi finals are not played at croke park
This isn't a club competition. Part of the draw for players is making the last 4 gets you to Croke Park. Most of the Sligo players will be playing their first game in Croke Park on Sunday.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2022, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 16, 2022, 05:46:27 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 16, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 16, 2022, 01:28:55 PM
Indo stating only 8,000 expected in Croker for semi finals on Sunday. Disappointing if that's the case, maybe Tailteann hasn't caught public support as was stated.
Probably fuel costs and lack of accommodation is big part. Anyone any thoughts? There was at least 5,000 each at Sligo Leitrim and Cavan Fermanagh. 8,000 for a double header would be a very poor turnout again in Croke Park.
I cant see that being the case.
I'd expect 20k at least
Only the lower Hogan stand will be open this Sunday and that apparently has the capacity of 15,600.
what is the point opening Croker for that..
Prices need to drop dramatically. Croke Park is a potentially great attraction on its own. I believe Participation and attendance are more important priority during a cost of living crisis. A social campaign of getting people to games will bring great kudos on to the GAA. Croke Park is a fantastic day out and is bought and paid for over the year. Schools should be given free passes, OAPS, students, and low family rates. We are a social, cultural and sporting organisation. The days of neutrals swelling attendances are well and truly over unless there is action. Long term this will pay off.
Wonder how much these games will cost between semis and final if attendances stay low. It's been said it takes 30k people just to cover running costs for CP. By my rough calculations, if the combined attendance between semi and final is only around the 20k mark, that's a shortfall of 40k just to cover running costs of the two days. At 25euro a head that's about a million euro outlay.
I don't think playing in an empty CP is such a carrot for players. When we say it's everyone's dream to play in CP, I think it's a given that you're playing in front of a full house. This competition is to help develop weaker counties. Maybe if they forgot about the bells and whistles and the PR spin and put the money up to county boards it might be a better carrot. Say the winner get's a number of full time school development coaches fully paid for 5 years, the beaten finalist gets a smaller number for 2 years or whatever, it might be a better carrot for counties to buy into. Put the games in regional venues depending on participants and have a decent atmosphere. If some counties don't want to buy into the competition then that's their loss.
Cavan taking it serious and looking the silverware.
They'll be hard to stop.
This 30k attendance to cover costs is a long out of date accountancy figure. They used to divide the annual running costs including loan and interest repayments by the number of fixtures.
30,000 attendance would generate at least €600k, add in programmes sales and dear food and drink.
Can it really cost €700k to stage a match in Croke Park?.
As for empty seats, I would hope the players would be too busy playing the game to pass any heed on seats (Ros defenders excepted)
Under 16s should be free in that would pick up attendances. I've said it a few times but the whole nonsense with the app and ticketmaster while not accepting cash on the gate puts a certain number of people off as well. Some people used to decide late notice to attend matches. While some elderly people don't even have smartphones or could take an hour trying to download the tickets the process is so bad.
The more barriers in the way the less people attend games sadly. GAA were warned but the accountants in charge just seen the bottom line, the cost of handling the cash and missing money issues went away.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2022, 11:41:21 AM
This 30k attendance to cover costs is a long out of date accountancy figure. They used to divide the annual running costs including loan and interest repayments by the number of fixtures.
30,000 attendance would generate at least €600k, add in programmes sales and dear food and drink.
Can it really cost €700k to stage a match in Croke Park?.
As for empty seats, I would hope the players would be too busy playing the game to pass any heed on seats (Ros defenders excepted)
Surely it can't cost 700k? What expense are there? Stewards/utilities etc? Not sure where the 700k would come from.
On the empty seats- you'd imagine that a crowd of 20k which would have a huge buzz in the likes of Clones or probably anything less than 40k would be lost in croker and not create much of an atmosphere.
Quote from: full moon on June 17, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
Under 16s should be free in that would pick up attendances. I've said it a few times but the whole nonsense with the app and ticketmaster while not accepting cash on the gate puts a certain number of people off as well. Some people used to decide late notice to attend matches. While some elderly people don't even have smartphones or could take an hour trying to download the tickets the process is so bad.
The more barriers in the way the less people attend games sadly. GAA were warned but the accountants in charge just seen the bottom line, the cost of handling the cash and missing money issues went away.
Completely agree.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:18 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2022, 11:41:21 AM
This 30k attendance to cover costs is a long out of date accountancy figure. They used to divide the annual running costs including loan and interest repayments by the number of fixtures.
30,000 attendance would generate at least €600k, add in programmes sales and dear food and drink.
Can it really cost €700k to stage a match in Croke Park?.
As for empty seats, I would hope the players would be too busy playing the game to pass any heed on seats (Ros defenders excepted)
Surely it can't cost 700k? What expense are there? Stewards/utilities etc? Not sure where the 700k would come from.
On the empty seats- you'd imagine that a crowd of 20k which would have a huge buzz in the likes of Clones or probably anything less than 40k would be lost in croker and not create much of an atmosphere.
Do stewards get paid or are they volunteers?
Quote from: marty34 on June 17, 2022, 11:58:02 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:18 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2022, 11:41:21 AM
This 30k attendance to cover costs is a long out of date accountancy figure. They used to divide the annual running costs including loan and interest repayments by the number of fixtures.
30,000 attendance would generate at least €600k, add in programmes sales and dear food and drink.
Can it really cost €700k to stage a match in Croke Park?.
As for empty seats, I would hope the players would be too busy playing the game to pass any heed on seats (Ros defenders excepted)
Surely it can't cost 700k? What expense are there? Stewards/utilities etc? Not sure where the 700k would come from.
On the empty seats- you'd imagine that a crowd of 20k which would have a huge buzz in the likes of Clones or probably anything less than 40k would be lost in croker and not create much of an atmosphere.
Do stewards get paid or are they volunteers?
Good question, actually have no idea.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: full moon on June 17, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
Under 16s should be free in that would pick up attendances. I've said it a few times but the whole nonsense with the app and ticketmaster while not accepting cash on the gate puts a certain number of people off as well. Some people used to decide late notice to attend matches. While some elderly people don't even have smartphones or could take an hour trying to download the tickets the process is so bad.
The more barriers in the way the less people attend games sadly. GAA were warned but the accountants in charge just seen the bottom line, the cost of handling the cash and missing money issues went away.
Completely agree.
Agree with U16s being free. I think people can still pull into any Centra or Supervalu an hour before the match and buy a ticket with cash
Quote from: Itchy on June 17, 2022, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: full moon on June 17, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
Under 16s should be free in that would pick up attendances. I've said it a few times but the whole nonsense with the app and ticketmaster while not accepting cash on the gate puts a certain number of people off as well. Some people used to decide late notice to attend matches. While some elderly people don't even have smartphones or could take an hour trying to download the tickets the process is so bad.
The more barriers in the way the less people attend games sadly. GAA were warned but the accountants in charge just seen the bottom line, the cost of handling the cash and missing money issues went away.
Completely agree.
Agree with U16s being free. I think people can still pull into any Centra or Supervalu an hour before the match and buy a ticket with cash
From what I know a lot Centras/Supervalus listed by GAA don't actually sell tickets. Nowhere in Cavan town does even though they're listed. A lot of the shops haven't got tickets for sale anymore.
I think kids buy into the lure of CP more than adults and are excited about going. From that point of view it seems an OG charging them in.
Apparently Offaly are missing several players and Sligo missing Niall Murphy. Should tip things more towards Westmeath and Cavan to get the victories. I'd say there will be a decent crowd from Sligo and Cavan, not sure what Offaly and Westmeath support is like these days?
I think stewards in Croker are volunteers these days but no doubt get travel expenses and maybe a dinner?
As for Sundays game tickets should be €15 per adult, free or a nominal €1 for u16s, family packages of say €25, bulk deals for schools and Club underage teams etc.
Winning teams supporters will be charged €50 for the Final as it will be on with the Sam semi final.
Time the GAA appointed a promotions manager to try and maximise attendances and reduce costs to supporters.
It would pay more dividends in the long run.
Quote from: full moon on June 17, 2022, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 17, 2022, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: full moon on June 17, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
Under 16s should be free in that would pick up attendances. I've said it a few times but the whole nonsense with the app and ticketmaster while not accepting cash on the gate puts a certain number of people off as well. Some people used to decide late notice to attend matches. While some elderly people don't even have smartphones or could take an hour trying to download the tickets the process is so bad.
The more barriers in the way the less people attend games sadly. GAA were warned but the accountants in charge just seen the bottom line, the cost of handling the cash and missing money issues went away.
Completely agree.
Agree with U16s being free. I think people can still pull into any Centra or Supervalu an hour before the match and buy a ticket with cash
From what I know a lot Centras/Supervalus listed by GAA don't actually sell tickets. Nowhere in Cavan town does even though they're listed. A lot of the shops haven't got tickets for sale anymore.
Yeah, be good to get an updated list of reliabne places that stock tickets.
Did O'Neills' shops stock tickets a few years ago also?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2022, 01:10:12 PM
I think stewards in Croker are volunteers these days but no doubt get travel expenses and maybe a dinner?
As for Sundays game tickets should be €15 per adult, free or a nominal €1 for u16s, family packages of say €25, bulk deals for schools and Club underage teams etc.
Winning teams supporters will be charged €50 for the Final as it will be on with the Sam semi final.
Time the GAA appointed a promotions manager to try and maximise attendances and reduce costs to supporters.
It would pay more dividends in the long run.
Was listening to Paul Rouse on Examiner podcast he went on a good rant on tickets. He said It will cost him €100 just in tickets to attend on Sunday with his family. That's for Tailteann Cup semis and before food, fuel etc which all are quite expensive. Said he knew other families from Offaly who can't afford to go to it. Supposedly family tickets were gotten rid of.
These games shouldn't be in Croke.
It will look, sound and feel all wrong.
Put them each in a 10-15k capacity stadium with u16s free. Generate an atmosphere. Make it memorable for the right reasons.
It's consistent with every decision the Gaa has made on this competition- wrong.
I think they done the right thing fixing the semi finals for Croke Park, at least until this new competition finds its feet. Give it a few years and this can be reviewed again but having a realistic chance of playing in a semi final at HQ for Div 3/4 counties was a big carrot to begin with. Many of those players will go through their careers without playing there.
The quality will be lower but I'd be fairly sure there will be at least as much excitement in these 2 Tailteann games as there was in last Saturdays double header at Croke Park with a similar sized crowd.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2022, 03:59:58 PM
These games shouldn't be in Croke.
It will look, sound and feel all wrong.
Put them each in a 10-15k capacity stadium with u16s free. Generate an atmosphere. Make it memorable for the right reasons.
They should be there, otherwise it's lose lose. It's a new competition, and not using Croke would be seen to be undermining the competition before it started. It was sold on the semis and final being in Croke Park and live on RTÉ Sport. So that's that. They're expecting just over 20k this Sunday. Yes, that's low. But if the counties in this see that the competition is being supported, that they get their chance in Croker (Sligo haven't been there in ages) then they need to push on with that, and Counties will buy into it. Like they can do no right here as they'll be criticised whatever way they decide.
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 17, 2022, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2022, 03:59:58 PM
These games shouldn't be in Croke.
It will look, sound and feel all wrong.
Put them each in a 10-15k capacity stadium with u16s free. Generate an atmosphere. Make it memorable for the right reasons.
They should be there, otherwise it's lose lose. It's a new competition, and not using Croke would be seen to be undermining the competition before it started. It was sold on the semis and final being in Croke Park and live on RTÉ Sport. So that's that. They're expecting just over 20k this Sunday. Yes, that's low. But if the counties in this see that the competition is being supported, that they get their chance in Croker (Sligo haven't been there in ages) then they need to push on with that, and Counties will buy into it. Like they can do no right here as they'll be criticised whatever way they decide.
I understand that people will complain each way and every way.
But if this competition needs, above all else, player buy in- I just can't honestly imagine any adult of sound mind wanting to play in an empty stadium over a full house.
How many players from the 4 Counties involved have complained about it being in HQ?
How many Junior and Inter Club players complained about or didn't want their Finals being in 2% occupied Croke Park?
Ditto for Ring, Rackard and Meagher teams.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2022, 05:10:55 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 17, 2022, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2022, 03:59:58 PM
These games shouldn't be in Croke.
It will look, sound and feel all wrong.
Put them each in a 10-15k capacity stadium with u16s free. Generate an atmosphere. Make it memorable for the right reasons.
They should be there, otherwise it's lose lose. It's a new competition, and not using Croke would be seen to be undermining the competition before it started. It was sold on the semis and final being in Croke Park and live on RTÉ Sport. So that's that. They're expecting just over 20k this Sunday. Yes, that's low. But if the counties in this see that the competition is being supported, that they get their chance in Croker (Sligo haven't been there in ages) then they need to push on with that, and Counties will buy into it. Like they can do no right here as they'll be criticised whatever way they decide.
I understand that people will complain each way and every way.
But if this competition needs, above all else, player buy in- I just can't honestly imagine any adult of sound mind wanting to play in an empty stadium over a full house.
Almost none of the Sligo lads have played in Croker. Going in as big underdogs and maybe looking at their final game in the competition, do they want to play in a sparsly occupied Croke Park or a full Portlaoise... I'd be shocked if anyone said Portlaoise.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:18 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2022, 11:41:21 AM
This 30k attendance to cover costs is a long out of date accountancy figure. They used to divide the annual running costs including loan and interest repayments by the number of fixtures.
30,000 attendance would generate at least €600k, add in programmes sales and dear food and drink.
Can it really cost €700k to stage a match in Croke Park?.
As for empty seats, I would hope the players would be too busy playing the game to pass any heed on seats (Ros defenders excepted)
Surely it can't cost 700k? What expense are there? Stewards/utilities etc? Not sure where the 700k would come from.
On the empty seats- you'd imagine that a crowd of 20k which would have a huge buzz in the likes of Clones or probably anything less than 40k would be lost in croker and not create much of an atmosphere.
The minimum break-even gate was a red herring first introduced by President GAA Sean Kelly almost 20 years during the Rule 42 debates about opening Croke Park.
The premise was to create the impression that the newly rebuilt stadium was a massive white elephant and needed soccer and rugby revenues to pay its way.
In reality there are lots of low key games played there when you include clubs and schools etc which are managed appropriately with the right amount of ground staff present.
I suppose end of the day it's a new competition that was needed. There's always going to be mistakes made trying something new and going forward we can learn and tweak things for the better. Personally I'd prefer a smaller ground with a full house but understand the reasons for using CP. It's hard to say if a game at a closer regional venue would attract a bigger crowd but it would absolutely have a better atmosphere.
As regards developing weaker counties I'd like to see a reward for the winners to actually help in development e.g a number of fully paid schools coaching staff for say a period of 5 years. Something less for beaten finalists. I think an intermediate competition would be good too for teams in the middle 10/12 bracket. A better level of competition for teams off the elite level and a realistic stepping stone for teams in the weakest tier once they gain promotion. It would also ensure development prize money for the lower tier would go to weakest teams.
Playing in CP is a big part of the Tailteann Cup. It's an unforgettable experience for a footballer and for many of the fans.
Football teams go through cycles. Some of the non Leinster teams in the competition could be provincial champions over the next few years.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2022, 05:10:55 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 17, 2022, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2022, 03:59:58 PM
These games shouldn't be in Croke.
It will look, sound and feel all wrong.
Put them each in a 10-15k capacity stadium with u16s free. Generate an atmosphere. Make it memorable for the right reasons.
They should be there, otherwise it's lose lose. It's a new competition, and not using Croke would be seen to be undermining the competition before it started. It was sold on the semis and final being in Croke Park and live on RTÉ Sport. So that's that. They're expecting just over 20k this Sunday. Yes, that's low. But if the counties in this see that the competition is being supported, that they get their chance in Croker (Sligo haven't been there in ages) then they need to push on with that, and Counties will buy into it. Like they can do no right here as they'll be criticised whatever way they decide.
I understand that people will complain each way and every way.
But if this competition needs, above all else, player buy in- I just can't honestly imagine any adult of sound mind wanting to play in an empty stadium over a full house.
Well of course it needed player buy in. That's critical that they were in. Do it shoddily, then players leave, go overseas for the summer and all that. They launched it with some things set. Croke Park semis and final on TV, a holiday fund, and All Stars. It absolutely needed the players or this would have been dead on arrival. And it nearly was, only for decent teams to make it to the last 4, and they need a big winner to give it prestige for later years.
10,000 the expected attendance for Sundays semi final double header according to https://crokepark.ie/
Accidental manager Maughan still going strong 32 years later
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/accidental-manager-maughan-still-going-strong-32-years-later/?fbclid=IwAR3gHoWFJzbz681YpCJ85nfmYx1AWfTg53wVJb14A9ropkJnGXWhGLuvt-k (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/accidental-manager-maughan-still-going-strong-32-years-later/?fbclid=IwAR3gHoWFJzbz681YpCJ85nfmYx1AWfTg53wVJb14A9ropkJnGXWhGLuvt-k)
Cavan and Offaly have named their 26. Westmeath have named just a starting 15. Sligo publish a panel with no starting team.
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0617/1305549-croke-park-the-perfect-stage-for-tailteann-cup/
All four semi-finalists know they are playing in Division 3 and 4 next year. In order to play in the All-Ireland series they will have to reach a provincial final. However, the carrot of the winners of the final on 9 July playing in the All-Ireland series in 2023 is an appealing bounty. The extra motivation will add even more spice to the games.
Proper order that the semi-finals are in Croke Park. Leinster counties have regular days out in headquarters, unfortunately counties from the other three provinces have been starved of opportunities to play there.
The idea that a game is in Croke Park raises its status for everyone. After seeing the match, children commit to playing and practicing to emulate their heroes and play in Croke Park.
Sponsors feel vindicated in providing support and will be encouraged to provide support for the following season. For the players, it can bring focus to a whole new level.
As a player, I never had an opportunity to play in Croke Park. As a manager and coach, I have embraced and loved every opportunity to be involved with teams in our magnificent stadium.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 18, 2022, 01:13:15 AM
10,000 the expected attendance for Sundays semi final double header according to https://crokepark.ie/
Think what the buy-in from players and attendance would be if the prize was a spot in div 2 for the winners for next year?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0617/1305387-colm-orourkes-tailteann-cup-predictions/
The Tailteann Cup is a competition I've always wanted to see in the GAA. I thought it could have had a bit better promotion but the players and counties have embraced it. It'll be fantastic for them to get to Croke Park this Sunday. And it will be great for the supporters of those counties who never get to see their own playing on the big field.
First 10-12 minutes very even. Except Cavan can kick scores and Sligo can't!
Would be 0-6 to 0-6 if both were shooting really well. Instead it 0-5 to 0-0 for Cavan.
Sligo badly need to get off the mark or the game will be gone
Sligo ain't too shabby now
HT Cavan 0-11 Sligo 1-3. Took Sligo 15 minutes to score very wayward shooting and Cavan 6 points ahead couldn't have hoped for a better start.
Sligo goal from a penalty and had another three goal scoring chances. Final action of the half could have been a Cavan goal.
HT Cavan 0-11 Sligo 1-3
Sligo have been the better team for most of the half in most areas, but not the most important part - shooting! Cavan have kicked some lovely scores but Sligo's shot execution has been poor.
Sligo also had 4 goal chances of which they've only taken 1.
Cavan got one goal chance right on half time, which the keeper saved well.
11 different scorers for Cavan for their 11 points, according to the RTE presenter!
Only half watchin but seems to have been goals galore missed
Great start to the second half.
Cavan really opening up the Sligo defence, but keeper making a couple of point blank saves. While at the other end, Sligo have started knocking the ball over the bar (but just missed another great goal chance, although unlike their other misses it went over the bar).
0-12 to 1-7 after 43m.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 19, 2022, 02:45:23 PM
Only half watchin but seems to have been goals galore missed
5 or 6 between the two sides now. But have struggled to kick points into the hill against the wind..Cavan 3 ahead 45 minutes played.
What's with the cameras on the Cusack side ?
Pat Spillane Jnr is bringing us the goose step. Love it.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 19, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
What's with the cameras on the Cusack side ?
Face the crowd??? Looks better.
Another goal chance not taken by Sligo, at least they got a point out of it. Cavan lead 0-16 to 1-11 55 minutes played.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 19, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
What's with the cameras on the Cusack side ?
Crowd are in the Hogan only.
Foot Block!
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
Good game. Great to see teams at a similar level playing on the big stage. Just need final before AI final and it's all good!
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Still can't understand how Pat Spillane not on the Kerry panel,
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
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Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
Better presenter and panel and camera angle better there with crowd in Hogan.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 19, 2022, 03:08:41 PM
Still can't understand how Pat Spillane not on the Kerry panel,
He wasn't even getting his game all the time for Templenoe when he left, and when he came to Dublin was in the Jude's 2nd team. Only got into the first team due to injuries, but a run of games showed he had the talent and he's kicked on hugely since.
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:09:46 PM
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Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
Sorry, that's absolute nonsense!
Good presenter, fresh faces on the panel which everyone has been calling for, and the camera on the different side is a huge improvement given the attendance.
That's another thing, is he living in Dublin full time or at uni there?
Sure a different presenter can only be a plus.
Definitely a 45. Well done ref
Although wasted again by Sligo
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 19, 2022, 03:14:35 PM
Sure a different presenter can only be a plus.
Zig n Zag could present better than Cantwell. Turn a pig in an entry!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 19, 2022, 03:08:41 PM
Still can't understand how Pat Spillane not on the Kerry panel,
Maybe they have seen him play.
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
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Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
Sorry, that's absolute nonsense!
Good presenter, fresh faces on the panel which everyone has been calling for, and the camera on the different side is a huge improvement given the attendance.
It's absolutely not nonsense. RTE have Cantwell who anchors all their big live presentations. Why is she not doing this?
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
Sorry, that's absolute nonsense!
Good presenter, fresh faces on the panel which everyone has been calling for, and the camera on the different side is a huge improvement given the attendance.
It's absolutely not nonsense. RTE have Cantwell who anchors all their big live presentations. Why is she not doing this?
You're just moaning for the sake of moaning. Running everything down as usual. RTÉ have done a very good job with this. End of story.
FT Cavan 0-20 Sligo 1-14. A competitive contest whereby a record number of goal chances wasn't taken. Sligo will be especially ruefully in a 3 point loss.
Well done Cavan. Plenty of regrets for Sligo.
Does any player wear a gumshield nowadays?
Good game to watch, flashes of lovely football with a bit of dash and verve, and plenty of fumbles, bobbles and mistakes, which makes it look a better spectacle than a lot of the top teams, when the level of execution and risk aversion makes it almost sterile and boring by times.
Quote from: marty34 on June 19, 2022, 03:26:09 PM
Does any player wear a gumshield nowadays?
Yes, most wear them in their Sock! ;)
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
Sorry, that's absolute nonsense!
Good presenter, fresh faces on the panel which everyone has been calling for, and the camera on the different side is a huge improvement given the attendance.
It's absolutely not nonsense. RTE have Cantwell who anchors all their big live presentations. Why is she not doing this?
You're just moaning for the sake of moaning. Running everything down as usual. RTÉ have done a very good job with this. End of story.
OK Declan McBennett.
A rare day without Cantwell is worth a celebration.
I agree with Hound
Damian Lawlor do a better job, fresh panel for these games a def plus.
Sligo will have learnt a lot from today. The great thing about the various non McCarthy Cup hurling division is the turnover of winners. I doubt there will be a 6 in a row in the Tailteann Cup. Sligo could win it next year.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 19, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
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Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
Better presenter and panel and camera angle better there with crowd in Hogan.
Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Which 'senior' analysts would know any of these players?
I enjoyed that game. As a Connacht man - I was up for Sligo. Both teams have very good players and it's good to see them get exposure. One can get enough of Kerry/Tyrone/Mayo/Dublin in the limelight. Nice to see other teams.
Quote from: marty34 on June 19, 2022, 03:35:01 PM
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Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
Better presenter and panel and camera angle better there with crowd in Hogan.
Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Which 'senior' analysts would know any of these players?
Pat Spillane would know one.
As Bunker said.
Seaf no team can win Tailteann twice in a row never mind 6.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 19, 2022, 03:40:22 PM
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Quote from: mrdeeds on June 19, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2022, 03:03:28 PM
B Comp getting the B treatment from RTE
How do you make that out?
Few things, Different presenter and panel. Camera on different side.
Better presenter and panel and camera angle better there with crowd in Hogan.
Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Which 'senior' analysts would know any of these players?
Pat Spillane would know one.
That's about it!
Good to see new faces and analysts.
Good production.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 19, 2022, 03:38:59 PM
I enjoyed that game. As a Connacht man - I was up for Sligo. Both teams have very good players and it's good to see them get exposure. One can get enough of Kerry/Tyrone/Mayo/Dublin in the limelight. Nice to see other teams.
Decent contest alright not bogged down in low risk tactics. Can't recall a match with so many goals chances wasted., the goalkeepers made some decent saves in fairness to them.
Was thinking of the late Red Og Murphy today, his talent was made to grace Croke Park.
Westmeath the better side in the early stages but just 3 points from 8 scoring attempts.
Fair play to Westmeath hopefully they hammer the biffos. Maughan & that ridiculous chant are enough to put me off my soup.
I think this is going to be a good game here. Probably better than some of what we will see next week lol.
Offaly defence is so open, Westmeath 7 ahead after 23 minutes and full value for that lead. Half time Westmeath 2-11 Offaly 1-6
Quote from: Rudi on June 19, 2022, 04:17:38 PM
Fair play to Westmeath hopefully they hammer the biffos. Maughan & that ridiculous chant are enough to put me off my soup.
missed that, what is that about
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2022, 03:40:59 PM
As Bunker said.
Seaf no team can win Tailteann twice in a row never mind 6.
Great. It's well designed.
Great to see a prize for winning the Tailteann Cup. So if Cavan or Wsetmeath win it, next year without winning promotion they automatically qualify for the Sam Maguire competition? Correct
Good performance from Westmeath, some nice attacking play & defensively sound. What has Thomas O Se done for Offaly?
Quote from: An Watcher on June 19, 2022, 04:57:58 PM
Great to see a prize for winning the Tailteann Cup. So if Cavan or Wsetmeath win it, next year without winning promotion they automatically qualify for the Sam Maguire competition? Correct
Go into the last 16 of the All Ireland championship. Group stage (4 groups of 4)
Westmeath defence is exceptional for a tier 2 side.
This cup looks like a great idea, some mighty football today.
Yeah I thought they would be decent but they are a good bit better than decent.
Nice to see these games are enjoyable.
Quote from: Rudi on June 19, 2022, 05:14:59 PM
This cup looks like a great idea, some mighty football today.
If teams bùy into it.
Plus if, like today, there's other major games on to distract from it.
Westmeath vs the Brady bunch should be a good match
FT Westmeath 3-22 Offaly 2-16. Westmeath had that contest won at half time and kept Offaly at arms length 2nd half. The main positive Offaly can take out of this year is blooding plenty of last years U20s and have showed some good moments including the two goals today.
Happy to get away with a win there. Sligo had our full back line in all sorts of trouble. Their full back was outstanding and while Lynch won plenty of ball he was forced to offload rather than shoot.
Gerry Smith was excellent, probably should have been motm. James Smith and Jason McLoughlin were excellent too. Thomas Galligan twice went for goal when a point would have been the wiser option, but that's the style of player he is I suppose.
After a less than convincing win and Westmeath's fantastic performance today, the final would seem to be a real 50/50 game.
Well done Westmeath. Very happy to see the physio who sorted by back problem last year, Jack Smith, play so well for them (they should really look at his two brothers also).
Madness by Offaly to concede the kickouts almost all the time, but overall a season for them to build on.
Should be a good final.
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2022, 06:25:09 PM
Well done Westmeath. Very happy to see the physio who sorted by back problem last year, Jack Smith, play so well for them (they should really look at his two brothers also).
Madness by Offaly to concede the kickouts almost all the time, but overall a season for them to build on.
Should be a good final.
He played really well. Vaguely remember watching his father, who was a very similar style player. The brothers were approached as far as I am aware, but opted against coming in. Stephen was on fringes of Dublin panel at the time. Not sure if he still is.
The first game was a good contest but always felt Cavan could pull away when they needed to. Still, a solid day out for Sligo and something to build on.
Westmeath are a decent team in fairness. At the Kildare game they got in nicely for goals a couple of times and they have plenty of good players and legs.
It should be a good final and all the pundits lamenting split seasons and the likes don't seem to chime with the players and managers talking today. There was plenty of positivity.
In terms of RTÉ I like Lawlor and the lads on punditry were good. As noted, the others would be spoofing if they said they knew half the players, so good to see lads who might be somewhat informed.
I'm tipping in on the 9th as a neutral and jumping on any Tailteann bandwagon that will have me!
Good game, Sligo a bit unlucky; should be a good final. Tailteann cup has been a success
Definitely a success
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1538535745878638597
We learned a lot more about ourselves today. It was actually in our control to win that game today, too many missed goal chances which would have put them under much more pressure. We are an incredibly creative team and had enough possession. We transition the ball very well. We are defensively a lot more cohesive not conceding goals to better teams. I felt Cavan's 2 goal chances were saves Id expect Devaney to make. Our chances felt a bit more clear.
It is unusual for us to be consistently so poor on scoring efficiency last few games.
I still feel our management are incredibly slow to see good talent and are far too loyal to some of our poorer players but I guess at least they get there. To have gone into the Summer a week longer than Roscommon and Leitrim and not as big a gap to when Mayo/Galway get knocked out helps. We are also the last Div4 left so next year Id expect a bounce from this. Add into the mix we should have 7/8 u20s coming into this squad which will bolster us. I do worry about how slow Management may integrate them. Spillane was massively underused all year although I know injuries played a part. The players that we expected stood up in the main. Evan Lyons really is the second coming of Ross Donovan. Murphy showed his class probably not even at 100%. Carrabine is a fine footballer. O Connor and Reilly are quality but need to improve. The rest of the team is pretty even and hard-working but its a good base for the next few years of underage coming through and boy is there talent on its way for Sligo. The next 2 years u20s are the best underage squad we have ever had. This year's minors have 5/6 superstars who scored 3-10 away against a Mayo team that I expect to win the AI fairly comfortably.
Today actually, for me, the most impressive part was when we went 6-0 down we never looked like capitulating. I thought Sligo support was awesome too, huge numbers despite furthest to travel and got behind the team. 16k attendance is more than I expected.
All the lower-tier teams should take this competition seriously as it will help us all close the gap. Glad Cavan, London, and Leitrim all did as it brought us on a lot.
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Well done Westmeath. Very happy to see the physio who sorted by back problem last year, Jack Smith, play so well for them (they should really look at his two brothers also).
Madness by Offaly to concede the kickouts almost all the time, but overall a season for them to build on.
Should be a good final.
He played really well. Vaguely remember watching his father, who was a very similar style player. The brothers were approached as far as I am aware, but opted against coming in. Stephen was on fringes of Dublin panel at the time. Not sure if he still is.
Stephen was made false promises (in my opinion) by the Dubs to keep him from going. And maybe Westmeath thought 'we're not going to keep asking'.
Stephen is a special player at club level, inside forward but also plays at 11 (the way gooch did for a while). He is quite small and slight looking so whether he would translate to IC level is up in the air, and he certainly would need a year at that level to get him up to speed. But has great ability and great heart (despite the slight stature, he'd never shirk a challenge. Jack is an extremely nice fella, I haven't met Stephen, but based on what I've seen on the pitch, I'd guess he has a bit more divil in him).
There was talk that brother 3 (Eoin, I think) was the best of them, but I haven't seen enough of him to comment.
Enjoyable first match but the Sligo wide count....
2nd game was over well before ht even.
Should be a great Final.
Only down side will be people having to pay €50 due to it being paired with a Sam Semi Final that neither set if supporters will have that much interest in.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2022, 08:31:45 PM
Enjoyable first match but the Sligo wide count....
2nd game was over well before ht even.
Should be a great Final.
Only down side will be people having to pay €50 due to it being paired with a Sam Semi Final that neither set if supporters will have that much interest in.
Not sure about that
You're talking about 4 teams who don't be in semis that often (well Galway maybe)
Derry and Clsre were Tailtain cup teams not that long ago
I reckon the fans for the Sam semi will get in soon enough
I'm saying the Cavans and Westies having to pay €50 for a Tailteann Final.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2022, 08:31:45 PM
Enjoyable first match but the Sligo wide count....
2nd game was over well before ht even.
Should be a great Final.
Only down side will be people having to pay €50 due to it being paired with a Sam Semi Final that neither set if supporters will have that much interest in.
Not sure on that. If either of Derry or Armagh (or both) make that semi, a lot of Cavan fans for one would be interested. I'd be interested regardless, if football fans wouldn't be for a semi the sport would be in a bad place
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2022, 08:31:45 PM
Enjoyable first match but the Sligo wide count....
2nd game was over well before ht even.
Should be a great Final.
Only down side will be people having to pay €50 due to it being paired with a Sam Semi Final that neither set if supporters will have that much interest in.
Not sure on that. If either of Derry or Armagh (or both) make that semi, a lot of Cavan fans for one would be interested. I'd be interested regardless, if football fans wouldn't be for a semi the sport would be in a bad place
I'd be interested in the sf but not sure about being 'forced' to hand out €50 to attend a Tailteann final (if it were my county involved).
My first impression was that the final should not be the undercard to an AI semi final. Regardless I'm looking forward to the final (tv viewing).
You know a game isn't too important when they get the TV cameras set up on the Cusack stand. It reminds me of what they do at Stamford Bridge, when the U-18's play they record from the opposite stand.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 19, 2022, 09:20:05 PM
You know a game isn't too important when they get the TV cameras set up on the Cusack stand. It reminds me of what they do at Stamford Bridge, when the U-18's play they record from the opposite stand.
Fascinating.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 19, 2022, 09:20:05 PM
You know a game isn't too important when they get the TV cameras set up on the Cusack stand. It reminds me of what they do at Stamford Bridge, when the U-18's play they record from the opposite stand.
What difference does it make?
2 enjoyable games. Thought Sligo left it behind despite a poor start. A bit more composure and they'd have got at least 2 more goals. Westmeath not really in danger but Offaly kept plugging away at them and got some great scores.
I really hope the fans turn out for the final though. You'd wonder if playing it before the semi is better than a stand alone game outside of Croker. I think in a few years I think there'll be bigger crowds at these games once their true value is understood.
Quote from: thejuice on June 19, 2022, 11:20:23 PM
2 enjoyable games. Thought Sligo left it behind despite a poor start. A bit more composure and they'd have got at least 2 more goals. Westmeath not really in danger but Offaly kept plugging away at them and got some great scores.
I really hope the fans turn out for the final though. You'd wonder if playing it before the semi is better than a stand alone game outside of Croker. I think in a few years I think there'll be bigger crowds at these games once their true value is understood.
In the end both Cavan and Sligo missed 3 if not 4 goals each. Crazy how open both were. Cavan are better than that at the back but they set up like a u12 team!
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2 enjoyable games. Thought Sligo left it behind despite a poor start. A bit more composure and they'd have got at least 2 more goals. Westmeath not really in danger but Offaly kept plugging away at them and got some great scores.
I really hope the fans turn out for the final though. You'd wonder if playing it before the semi is better than a stand alone game outside of Croker. I think in a few years I think there'll be bigger crowds at these games once their true value is understood.
In the end both Cavan and Sligo missed 3 if not 4 goals each. Crazy how open both were. Cavan are better than that at the back but they set up like a u12 team!
To quote Tony McEtee both teams set up to make it entertaining game, this competition allows that, two teams at even level competing against each other and doing so they don't want to sit back defending they want go at the game.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1538567180484222976
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2 enjoyable games. Thought Sligo left it behind despite a poor start. A bit more composure and they'd have got at least 2 more goals. Westmeath not really in danger but Offaly kept plugging away at them and got some great scores.
I really hope the fans turn out for the final though. You'd wonder if playing it before the semi is better than a stand alone game outside of Croker. I think in a few years I think there'll be bigger crowds at these games once their true value is understood.
In the end both Cavan and Sligo missed 3 if not 4 goals each. Crazy how open both were. Cavan are better than that at the back but they set up like a u12 team!
To quote Tony McEtee both teams set up to make it entertaining game, this competition allows that, two teams at even level competing against each other and doing so they don't want to sit back defending they want go at the game.
Also Sligo built their resilience well in the tight game against Antrim ;D (slip by him as if only Antrim had beat Leitrim and given them a tight game lol). The standard of those games was very good. Definitely impressed (and a bit depressed as my own county look nowhere near it).
I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 08:42:07 AM
I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
On that showing yesterday Westmeath would be my fav's to win. But would expect it to be a 50/50 though come the day
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Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 08:42:07 AM
I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
On that showing yesterday Westmeath would be my fav's to win. But would expect it to be a 50/50 though come the day
They have a few belter players. Heslin is a scoring machine. We are miles off that level :(
Looking forward to the final of this.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 08:42:07 AM
I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
On that showing yesterday Westmeath would be my fav's to win. But would expect it to be a 50/50 though come the day
They have a few belter players. Heslin is a scoring machine. We are miles off that level :(
Looking forward to the final of this.
This was one of the best matches of the last decade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMRKv0dfXD4
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 08:42:07 AM
I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Totally agree with it being a great competition. I would tweak it slightly though to have some kind of back door or group system to ensure teams don't end up with just one game. It has worked out brilliantly for Westmeath and Cavan but it probably wasn't that worthwhile for teams knocked out in round 1. It should be a really good final.
Quote from: lenny on June 20, 2022, 10:45:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 08:42:07 AM
I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Totally agree with it being a great competition. I would tweak it slightly though to have some kind of back door or group system to ensure teams don't end up with just one game. It has worked out brilliantly for Westmeath and Cavan but it probably wasn't that worthwhile for teams knocked out in round 1. It should be a really good final.
This was a first year introduction competition, with straight knockout. From next year there will be a round robin group system, with 4 groups of 4. Every team in it will be guaranteed a minimum of 3 games.
First match yesterday was entertaining but I thought Offaly were disappointing in the second game which was over as a contest at half time. Westmeath were impressive though and physically over powered Offaly. Sligo once they settled after 15 minutes, were a match for Cavan for the rest of the game and they will be left wondering what if Murphy had started.
I think the GAA need to ditch the north south split next season but otherwise the competition has been a success. Should be an entertaining final too as both sides like to play football and it is a very difficult match to call. Either way division 3 looks like a very competitive division next year and it is good to see those teams and players getting some exposure in the height of summer.
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I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Totally agree with it being a great competition. I would tweak it slightly though to have some kind of back door or group system to ensure teams don't end up with just one game. It has worked out brilliantly for Westmeath and Cavan but it probably wasn't that worthwhile for teams knocked out in round 1. It should be a really good final.
This was a first year introduction competition, with straight knockout. From next year there will be a round robin group system, with 4 groups of 4. Every team in it will be guaranteed a minimum of 3 games.
Nothing worse than group games in a championship in my opinion. Plenty of others may see it differently.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 08:42:07 AM
I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Totally agree with it being a great competition. I would tweak it slightly though to have some kind of back door or group system to ensure teams don't end up with just one game. It has worked out brilliantly for Westmeath and Cavan but it probably wasn't that worthwhile for teams knocked out in round 1. It should be a really good final.
This was a first year introduction competition, with straight knockout. From next year there will be a round robin group system, with 4 groups of 4. Every team in it will be guaranteed a minimum of 3 games.
Nothing worse than group games in a championship in my opinion. Plenty of others may see it differently.
I agree Armagh18.
Only thing is that all the teams will gwt extra matches, which should help them all develop.
Plus... mmmm...the ticket sales.
Same teams be straight out every year if they don't have them though and you're no better off than you were in the qualifiers.
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30543/12637214/john-maughan-coy-on-offaly-future-after-heavy-defeat-to-westmeath-in-tailteann-cup-semi-final
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I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Totally agree with it being a great competition. I would tweak it slightly though to have some kind of back door or group system to ensure teams don't end up with just one game. It has worked out brilliantly for Westmeath and Cavan but it probably wasn't that worthwhile for teams knocked out in round 1. It should be a really good final.
This was a first year introduction competition, with straight knockout. From next year there will be a round robin group system, with 4 groups of 4. Every team in it will be guaranteed a minimum of 3 games.
Nothing worse than group games in a championship in my opinion. Plenty of others may see it differently.
Totally agree, whatever about a back door I think a group phase sucks the life out of a championship. I never liked the super 8s when they were there either so Tailteann cup group matches will hold very minimal appeal. They have a competition that worked this year and just needs some minor tweaks such as abolishing the north south split.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 08:42:07 AM
I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Totally agree with it being a great competition. I would tweak it slightly though to have some kind of back door or group system to ensure teams don't end up with just one game. It has worked out brilliantly for Westmeath and Cavan but it probably wasn't that worthwhile for teams knocked out in round 1. It should be a really good final.
This was a first year introduction competition, with straight knockout. From next year there will be a round robin group system, with 4 groups of 4. Every team in it will be guaranteed a minimum of 3 games.
Nothing worse than group games in a championship in my opinion. Plenty of others may see it differently.
Totally agree, whatever about a back door I think a group phase sucks the life out of a championship. I never liked the super 8s when they were there either so Tailteann cup group matches will hold very minimal appeal. They have a competition that worked this year and just needs some minor tweaks such as abolishing the north south split.
Yeah in my experience there is very little intensity in a group game- just not the same as proper championship. Maybe a back door system in the Tailteann so that teams are getting at least 3 games-their own provincial then 2 against teams at their own level. North/South needs to go for sure.
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I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Totally agree with it being a great competition. I would tweak it slightly though to have some kind of back door or group system to ensure teams don't end up with just one game. It has worked out brilliantly for Westmeath and Cavan but it probably wasn't that worthwhile for teams knocked out in round 1. It should be a really good final.
This was a first year introduction competition, with straight knockout. From next year there will be a round robin group system, with 4 groups of 4. Every team in it will be guaranteed a minimum of 3 games.
Nothing worse than group games in a championship in my opinion. Plenty of others may see it differently.
I fully agree. Championship should be knockout for me. Never liked that Super 8s either. Group games allow for the strong teams to always rise to the top. The opportunity to get knocked out on a one off game disappears with this. I understand why they do it though, otherwise the weakest teams still only get their 2 Championship games before bowing out, even with a 2nd tier competition.
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I think it's a great competition. Will be interesting to see how the most prominent teams do in the League next year.
And Westmeath should put it up to Cavan.
Totally agree with it being a great competition. I would tweak it slightly though to have some kind of back door or group system to ensure teams don't end up with just one game. It has worked out brilliantly for Westmeath and Cavan but it probably wasn't that worthwhile for teams knocked out in round 1. It should be a really good final.
This was a first year introduction competition, with straight knockout. From next year there will be a round robin group system, with 4 groups of 4. Every team in it will be guaranteed a minimum of 3 games.
Nothing worse than group games in a championship in my opinion. Plenty of others may see it differently.
Totally agree, whatever about a back door I think a group phase sucks the life out of a championship. I never liked the super 8s when they were there either so Tailteann cup group matches will hold very minimal appeal. They have a competition that worked this year and just needs some minor tweaks such as abolishing the north south split.
Just said the same. Fully agree. Bin the North/South things. If this was a concern, the Qualifiers would be split too but they aren't. Straight knockout, open draw. Every game means something and no chance of dead rubbers.
do 3 teams qualify for the knockout stages with group winners getting a bye to quarter finals next year or is only top 2
The four 2nd placed teams in the group stages are drawn against three of the best 3rd placed teams from the group stages plus New York.
The 2nd placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of those games are drawn against the four 1st placed teams.
The 1st placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of these games go into the semi-final.
So all but 5 of the the teams will progress to the knock-out stages.
In the group stages each team gets a home game, an away game and a neutral venue game.
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The four 2nd placed teams in the group stages are drawn against three of the best 3rd placed teams from the group stages plus New York.
The 2nd placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of those games are drawn against the four 1st placed teams.
The 1st placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of these games go into the semi-final.
So all but 5 of the the teams will progress to the knock-out stages.
In the group stages each team gets a home game, an away game and a neutral venue game.
3 rounds of games, 24 games in total, to knock out only 5 of the teams. Jeez like...
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Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2022, 02:04:15 PM
The four 2nd placed teams in the group stages are drawn against three of the best 3rd placed teams from the group stages plus New York.
The 2nd placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of those games are drawn against the four 1st placed teams.
The 1st placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of these games go into the semi-final.
So all but 5 of the the teams will progress to the knock-out stages.
In the group stages each team gets a home game, an away game and a neutral venue game.
3 rounds of games, 24 games in total, to knock out only 5 of the teams. Jeez like...
The Sam Maguire competition format is pretty much the same.
Division 4 managers have been begging for more championship games.
The format is not ideal but it's better than what was previously in place by a long distance.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2022, 02:04:15 PM
The four 2nd placed teams in the group stages are drawn against three of the best 3rd placed teams from the group stages plus New York.
The 2nd placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of those games are drawn against the four 1st placed teams.
The 1st placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of these games go into the semi-final.
So all but 5 of the the teams will progress to the knock-out stages.
In the group stages each team gets a home game, an away game and a neutral venue game.
That's like another mini League campaign all over again! Talk about creating spectator fatigue and apathy and there will no doubt be dead rubber games among those as well. I don't understand why they can't just tweak a concept that worked well this year. If they really want to provide an extra match to players then have a back door but playing group Tailteann matches to eliminate just 5 teams seems like playing matches for the sake of it. Each fixture needs to carry some form of jeopardy.
Because 95% of Congress voted for the system outlined by 2hands.
The TC keeps Division 3 &4 teams involved in the championship for 4 or 5 weeks more than under the old system.
Teams get more games, spend more time together and bring more young lads on board. I think it's a huge improvement.
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Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2022, 02:04:15 PM
The four 2nd placed teams in the group stages are drawn against three of the best 3rd placed teams from the group stages plus New York.
The 2nd placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of those games are drawn against the four 1st placed teams.
The 1st placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of these games go into the semi-final.
So all but 5 of the the teams will progress to the knock-out stages.
In the group stages each team gets a home game, an away game and a neutral venue game.
3 rounds of games, 24 games in total, to knock out only 5 of the teams. Jeez like...
The Sam Maguire competition format is pretty much the same.
Division 4 managers have been begging for more championship games.
The format is not ideal but it's better than what was previously in place by a long distance.
I presume the Quarter finals in the Sam Maguire will be held in Croke Park than home advantage?
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 20, 2022, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2022, 02:04:15 PM
The four 2nd placed teams in the group stages are drawn against three of the best 3rd placed teams from the group stages plus New York.
The 2nd placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of those games are drawn against the four 1st placed teams.
The 1st placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of these games go into the semi-final.
So all but 5 of the the teams will progress to the knock-out stages.
In the group stages each team gets a home game, an away game and a neutral venue game.
3 rounds of games, 24 games in total, to knock out only 5 of the teams. Jeez like...
if they knock out 8 teams with top 2 qualifying you probably get more dead rubbers with 3 qualifying and group winners getting a bye nearly all final games may have something on them either teams trying to win group to get bye or to come in 3rd to qualify on the downside there maybe less intensity but i think 3 teams qualfying maybe better but straight knockout would be better.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 02:19:57 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2022, 02:04:15 PM
The four 2nd placed teams in the group stages are drawn against three of the best 3rd placed teams from the group stages plus New York.
The 2nd placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of those games are drawn against the four 1st placed teams.
The 1st placed teams have home advantage.
The four winners of these games go into the semi-final.
So all but 5 of the the teams will progress to the knock-out stages.
In the group stages each team gets a home game, an away game and a neutral venue game.
That's like another mini League campaign all over again! Talk about creating spectator fatigue and apathy and there will no doubt be dead rubber games among those as well. I don't understand why they can't just tweak a concept that worked well this year. If they really want to provide an extra match to players then have a back door but playing group Tailteann matches to eliminate just 5 teams seems like playing matches for the sake of it. Each fixture needs to carry some form of jeopardy.
Could go straight knockout and the 8 teams that get knockout in the first round go into a 3rd level tournament called the tailteaan plate or somehthing but there would have to be an incentive to win that but that would probably be a step too far to have a 3rd tier competition
Quote from: Eire90 on June 20, 2022, 05:34:20 PM
Could go straight knockout and the 8 teams that get knockout in the first round go into a 3rd level tournament called the tailteaan plate or somehthing but there would have to be an incentive to win that but that would probably be a step too far to have a 3rd tier competition
Could there be a Junior Championship of:
New York, Waterford, Kilkenny, London, Carlow, Scotland, Yorkshire, Lancashire, Warwickshire, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire.
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
Barring the North/South split then this season has been pretty spot on, definitely the best format in a long time. Hopefully the groups next year don't make a total balls of the thing.
When will the time be found to play all of these group games?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
It has nearly done well in spite of itself, the way they launched it, and the rules that came out last minute. The format for this year is a once off, so won't happen like this again. They already will change it from next year onwards. And it does need tweaks. the North/South divide has to go. There's no basis for it.
There is some basis for it though. For the competition to be successful, the players have to want to win it. Bigger crowds is perhaps the single most important key to that, and the overwhelming majority of county supporters are not going to traipse the length of Ireland for a first round Tailteann game.
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 21, 2022, 08:03:22 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
It has nearly done well in spite of itself, the way they launched it, and the rules that came out last minute. The format for this year is a once off, so won't happen like this again. They already will change it from next year onwards. And it does need tweaks. the North/South divide has to go. There's no basis for it.
What rules came out last minute? The entire format was announced last December, I believe.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 21, 2022, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 21, 2022, 08:03:22 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
It has nearly done well in spite of itself, the way they launched it, and the rules that came out last minute. The format for this year is a once off, so won't happen like this again. They already will change it from next year onwards. And it does need tweaks. the North/South divide has to go. There's no basis for it.
What rules came out last minute? The entire format was announced last December, I believe.
Was the North South split known about in December? My mistake if it was, it just seemed to be sprung last minute
More games is what the Tailteann teams want. More time together, playing championship games against teams at their own level (I.e. games they can win) and in quick succession.
Sure, the round robin will have some downsides, but it will still be a big step up on league - and for most of these teams the league was the highlight of their year.
Andy Moran was also adamant that playing the semis in Croker is a big carrot and should definitely be kept.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 08:12:01 AM
There is some basis for it though. For the competition to be successful, the players have to want to win it. Bigger crowds is perhaps the single most important key to that, and the overwhelming majority of county supporters are not going to traipse the length of Ireland for a first round Tailteann game.
Semi and final attendances are more important
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
From the GAA Master Fixture List 2022, published Dec 2021, as regards the Tailteann Cup (look at second bullet point):
• The Championship shall be played on a knock-out basis.
• Round 1 and the Quarter Finals shall be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections.
• The Central Competitions Control Committee shall decide on an annual basis which Counties shall be included in each Section.
• The Draws shall be conducted by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• A Preliminary Round may be played if there are more than 16 eligible teams.
• New York, will enter the competition at the Quarter-Final stage.
• All games will be winner on the day.
For doubting Dreadnought...see date published as Dec 2021.
Or you could look it up.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 21, 2022, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
From the GAA Master Fixture List 2022, published Dec 2021, as regards the Tailteann Cup (look at second bullet point):
• The Championship shall be played on a knock-out basis.
• Round 1 and the Quarter Finals shall be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections.
• The Central Competitions Control Committee shall decide on an annual basis which Counties shall be included in each Section.
• The Draws shall be conducted by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• A Preliminary Round may be played if there are more than 16 eligible teams.
• New York, will enter the competition at the Quarter-Final stage.
• All games will be winner on the day.
For doubting Dreadnought...see date published as Dec 2021.
Or you could look it up.
It may have been published but it was not well known about even the Sligo manager after they exited the championship spoke about the Tailtean cup and a few group games.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 21, 2022, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
From the GAA Master Fixture List 2022, published Dec 2021, as regards the Tailteann Cup (look at second bullet point):
• The Championship shall be played on a knock-out basis.
• Round 1 and the Quarter Finals shall be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections.
• The Central Competitions Control Committee shall decide on an annual basis which Counties shall be included in each Section.
• The Draws shall be conducted by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• A Preliminary Round may be played if there are more than 16 eligible teams.
• New York, will enter the competition at the Quarter-Final stage.
• All games will be winner on the day.
For doubting Dreadnought...see date published as Dec 2021.
Or you could look it up.
Not many recall that. Many managers and boards had no clue about it. A December release seems like the weekend graveyard news releases that governments use to hide bad news. It clearly didn't get the attention in a winter month and run up to Christmas
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 21, 2022, 09:29:39 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 21, 2022, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
From the GAA Master Fixture List 2022, published Dec 2021, as regards the Tailteann Cup (look at second bullet point):
• The Championship shall be played on a knock-out basis.
• Round 1 and the Quarter Finals shall be organised on a geographical basis with Northern and Southern Sections.
• The Central Competitions Control Committee shall decide on an annual basis which Counties shall be included in each Section.
• The Draws shall be conducted by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• A Preliminary Round may be played if there are more than 16 eligible teams.
• New York, will enter the competition at the Quarter-Final stage.
• All games will be winner on the day.
For doubting Dreadnought...see date published as Dec 2021.
Or you could look it up.
Not many recall that. Many managers and boards had no clue about it. A December release seems like the weekend graveyard news releases that governments use to hide bad news. It clearly didn't get the attention in a winter month and run up to Christmas
It was in the Master Fixture List for 2022.
People didn't bother checking the rules until they were in the competition, and some managers didn't know the rules when making comments, just like a lot of posters here. Hardly the fault of HQ, but I suppose they could have held a TV discussion featuring said Master Fixture List. But they'd probably do it as gaeilge ar TG4.
They should just have said "two geographical groups", which would probably still be North-South but could be East-West and some shuffling could be done
Unless the Counties kick up at CC the divide will no doubt be in again next year in the Groups.
Mod...some posters give the impression that changing it to Groups next year was only decided in the last few days ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on June 21, 2022, 11:42:01 AM
Unless the Counties kick up at CC the divide will no doubt be in again next year in the Groups.
Mod...some posters give the impression that changing it to Groups next year was only decided in the last few days ::)
Aren't you so smart..
The Sligo v Cavan game was very enjoyable and (in fairness) the best team won. We struggled around the middle getting possession, we need a big man in there with good hands as Cavan caught way too many balls easily. However, I thought our backs play exceptionally well, Evan Lyons had a brilliant game and is definitely a name to watch.
Our missed chances obviously cost us and the fact that we conceded the first 6 scored didn't help. I am optimistic for the future, there's some really good young talent on this team, and some great prospects in the pipeline. We need to get out of Division 4 this year and get back on track.
Overall, the Tailteann cup has been very enjoyable to watch, plenty of scores and I think it is here to stay.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
One Swallow doesn't make a summer and all that ;)
The introduction of groups/round robins will only prolong the agony of counties who don't have much interest to the cup, and for that matter what was the big difference to the Tommy Murphy cup? Was in no entry into the championship? Can't recall
It's been the best version of a secondary competition in recent years but the north/south groupings are still silly and should go
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2022, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
One Swallow doesn't make a summer and all that ;)
The introduction of groups/round robins will only prolong the agony of counties who don't have much interest to the cup, and for that matter what was the big difference to the Tommy Murphy cup? Was in no entry into the championship? Can't recall
Which counties had no interest in Tailteann Cup this year? I think all bought into it those that made their exit early simply weren't good enough to go any further. Saying that I'm not sure if it needs a group format but that's what was voted in by congress.
The Tommy Murphy was stand alone poorly run organised competition. Plenty of counties and players had no interest playing in it. A few that did struggled with numbers for training.
It lasted 5 years, year 1 teams that lost in the early rounds of the championship were invited to play, but only four actually competed.
Year 2 brought more interest with 12 teams partaking the final year which your own Antrim won i think just 8 took part.
Year 1 of the Tailteann Cup has been a success but this competition can't be fully judged until at least 3 years into it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2022, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
One Swallow doesn't make a summer and all that ;)
The introduction of groups/round robins will only prolong the agony of counties who don't have much interest to the cup, and for that matter what was the big difference to the Tommy Murphy cup? Was in no entry into the championship? Can't recall
Certainly Croke Park have upped the promotion of the games and that's helped no end, but a word of caution in that the Christy Ring final used to be played before an AI semi-final and was well received by the competing counties, getting your day in the sun with the traditional hurling powers and all that, but that was moved to a Saturday with one man and his dog in attendance after a few years.
Be interesting to see how the promotion of the Tailteann cup is kept at this level.
I note Kevin McStay already calling for a third tier. No not for me. Unless he wants the first tier to be 5 teams! Two tiers is enough.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 21, 2022, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2022, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
One Swallow doesn't make a summer and all that ;)
The introduction of groups/round robins will only prolong the agony of counties who don't have much interest to the cup, and for that matter what was the big difference to the Tommy Murphy cup? Was in no entry into the championship? Can't recall
Certainly Croke Park have upped the promotion of the games and that's helped no end, but a word of caution in that the Christy Ring final used to be played before an AI semi-final and was well received by the competing counties, getting your day in the sun with the traditional hurling powers and all that, but that was moved to a Saturday with one man and his dog in attendance after a few years.
Be interesting to see how the promotion of the Tailteann cup is kept at this level.
Agree with that. That's why I'd imagine the group's will do this competition no favours next year.
Like the Christy Ring they could quietly push it into the background and off the TV
Quote from: full moon on June 21, 2022, 06:37:50 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 21, 2022, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2022, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
I'd pertain (and to my own surprise) that this season is the most successful and well received iteration of the AI B championship in history.
So anyone wanting to f**k with a format that has delivered needs a long spell in a dark room.
One Swallow doesn't make a summer and all that ;)
The introduction of groups/round robins will only prolong the agony of counties who don't have much interest to the cup, and for that matter what was the big difference to the Tommy Murphy cup? Was in no entry into the championship? Can't recall
Certainly Croke Park have upped the promotion of the games and that's helped no end, but a word of caution in that the Christy Ring final used to be played before an AI semi-final and was well received by the competing counties, getting your day in the sun with the traditional hurling powers and all that, but that was moved to a Saturday with one man and his dog in attendance after a few years.
Be interesting to see how the promotion of the Tailteann cup is kept at this level.
Agree with that. That's why I'd imagine the group's will do this competition no favours next year.
Like the Christy Ring they could quietly push it into the background and off the TV
I don't think it'll go the way of the lower hurling competitions simply because the interest in football is a lot higher in the weaker football counties than the interest in hurling in the weaker hurling counties. Maybe a third tier could work for the very weakest teams in division 4 plus Kilkenny and couple of the English/Scottish teams?
I see that the RTE viewing figures for the Tailteann semi finals were higher than for 3 of the provincial finals, all bar the Ulster final. So to begin introducing a League based competition next season when spectator match fatigue will take hold makes little sense. But it sounds like it's already been decided.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 21, 2022, 11:42:01 AM
Unless the Counties kick up at CC the divide will no doubt be in again next year in the Groups.
Mod...some posters give the impression that changing it to Groups next year was only decided in the last few days ::)
I can't see how the north/south divide can possibly be retained given the rules that are already in place regarding seeding for the group stages next year.
I don't think it would be workable for the knock-out stages either.
Hadn't thought of that.
The seeding thing would make it harder alright...e.g if your 4 2nd seeds were Sligo, Fermanagh, Longford and Antrim you couldn't designate 2 of them as "Southern".
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2022, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 20, 2022, 05:34:20 PM
Could go straight knockout and the 8 teams that get knockout in the first round go into a 3rd level tournament called the tailteaan plate or somehthing but there would have to be an incentive to win that but that would probably be a step too far to have a 3rd tier competition
Could there be a Junior Championship of:
New York, Waterford, Kilkenny, London, Carlow, Scotland, Yorkshire, Lancashire, Warwickshire, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire.
Carlow beat Tipp in the Tailteann Cup this year. Hard to go drawing lines for a third tier to be honest.
The Junior championship this year has 4 teams.
Games to be play Friday July 8th a double header in Abbottstown GAA Centre.
Warwickshire v New York 5pm
London v Kilkenny 7pm
The final to be played two days later Sunday the 10th.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2022, 10:32:58 PM
Hadn't thought of that.
The seeding thing would make it harder alright...e.g if your 4 2nd seeds were Sligo, Fermanagh, Longford and Antrim you couldn't designate 2 of them as "Southern".
This is my issue too. The thing is the split is completely arbitrary, and depends on who is in it yearly, and certain midland counties could jump to one or the other depending on who is in it. Longford and Cavan were in North this year, but Westmeath which borders on both was South. And we're supposed to believe it's due to prevent big travel costs and such? No sense in it, get rid. If this was a concern, the Qualifiers would be split but they're not. And teams want to play different counties, not the ones they get year on year.
CP saying they were concerned about travelling costs is PR bull. But I'd imagine the logic behind it was that it's a burgeoning competition with weaker counties involved and a local derby or shorter travel distance would help improve attendance to a low-key fixture. AI qualifiers are different in that it's already an established format with better, stronger supported teams with genuine routes to a possible AI semi-final. So attendance would be taken for granted with possible glamour ties likely to come out of hat.
The Tailteann Cup seems to have been a success. Giving the games their own weekend was brilliant. With no soccer or rugby to contend with the games really took centre stage. Being from Ulster we rarely get to see much from counties outside the province. There was some fantastic football on show and 4 teams really going for it.
Yes I think it's been good but little will have improved for some teams e.g Down had a very poor year with 2 bad defeats.
Still it's the way forward and will evolve with a round robin and possible intermediate competition introduced. But think they need leave the hare sit for a while before tinkering too much.
Quote from: Look-Up! on June 23, 2022, 01:07:16 PM
Yes I think it's been good but little will have improved for some teams e.g Down had a very poor year with 2 bad defeats.
Still it's the way forward and will evolve with a round robin and possible intermediate competition introduced. But think they need leave the hare sit for a while before tinkering too much.
That's not a Tailteann cup issue and I think the Tailteann cup has been a success overall in it's first year.
Down seriously need to look at themselves in the mirror.
Quote from: clarshack on June 23, 2022, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on June 23, 2022, 01:07:16 PM
Yes I think it's been good but little will have improved for some teams e.g Down had a very poor year with 2 bad defeats.
Still it's the way forward and will evolve with a round robin and possible intermediate competition introduced. But think they need leave the hare sit for a while before tinkering too much.
That's not a Tailteann cup issue and I think the Tailteann cup has been a success overall in it's first year.
Down seriously need to look at themselves in the mirror.
Of course I understand that but based on the format, there are always going to be teams who play 2 lose 2 no matter what, regardless of what they put into it.
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
Ok thanks, heard it mentioned but wasn't sure if it was for definite.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
This is the kind of nonsense usually only spouted by people on a payroll.
A d4 county team playing 3 more matches in June against mediocre opposition, is not going to make one iota of difference to how they perform when back in league action with a new panel and new management team the following January. Not one iota. In many cases the extra commitment required will turn key players away: off to America or back to their clubs. And when they return to the fold in November, nobody will bat an eyelid.
Prophecy (of doom) must be a hard gift to carry ::)
Quote from: thewobbler on June 24, 2022, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
This is the kind of nonsense usually only spouted by people on a payroll.
A d4 county team playing 3 more matches in June against mediocre opposition, is not going to make one iota of difference to how they perform when back in league action with a new panel and new management team the following January. Not one iota. In many cases the extra commitment required will turn key players away: off to America or back to their clubs. And when they return to the fold in November, nobody will bat an eyelid.
Whats your solution? Easy to knock but what would you do differently?
I understand people's concerns about the round robin producing dead rubbers and lack of interest. One solution I could see would be introducing a route back to AI series plus an intermediate competition.
Beaten provincial quarter finalists (17 teams) all go into round robin, 4 groups, seeded on league standing.
1st in group advances.
2nd and 3rd go to TC quarters.
Beaten provincial semi finalists (8 teams) plus 4 group winners do a round robin of 4 groups (2 games). Should be not much waiting around for games as defeated SF's can play each other while the last round of other series is being completed. Top of the group plays beaten provincial finalists for place in AI QF. Other 2 in group play in intermediate QFs.
Fixture congestion could be an issue (teams might have to play 9/10 games if they advance far enough), but maybe tweak the league. 5 divisions?
Isn't that just a backdoor for them teams again?
Quote from: Itchy on June 24, 2022, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 24, 2022, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
This is the kind of nonsense usually only spouted by people on a payroll.
A d4 county team playing 3 more matches in June against mediocre opposition, is not going to make one iota of difference to how they perform when back in league action with a new panel and new management team the following January. Not one iota. In many cases the extra commitment required will turn key players away: off to America or back to their clubs. And when they return to the fold in November, nobody will bat an eyelid.
Whats your solution? Easy to knock but what would you do differently?
Prophets of doom don't do solutions.
Quote from: Look-Up! on June 23, 2022, 01:07:16 PM
Yes I think it's been good but little will have improved for some teams e.g Down had a very poor year with 2 bad defeats.
Still it's the way forward and will evolve with a round robin and possible intermediate competition introduced. But think they need leave the hare sit for a while before tinkering too much.
ca
Down were atrocious this year. On the other hand maybe they were unlucky to draw Cavan in the first round.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 24, 2022, 01:04:11 PM
Isn't that just a backdoor for them teams again?
Of course, backdoor is part of championship last 20yrs but it guarantees games. Gives teams a stab at a cup their level plus gives a route back to teams if they get an unlucky draw early.
Provincial make up leaves it very difficult to settle on a fair format plus what to do with London and NY. Impossible to please everyone but for teams who are serious about building and progressing there's something there for them if they can hit form.
It's just a very rough draught, obviously would need some work.
There's a system already approved for next year .
Let's see how that pans out shall we?
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
Didn't you post up a video a while ago of Westmeath beating Meath in Croke Park and It's not so long ago that a division 3 Tipperary gave your own Galway a good beating in the All-Ireland quarter final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2022, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
Didn't you post up a video a while ago of Westmeath beating Meath in Croke Park and It's not so long ago that a division 3 Tipperary gave your own Galway a good beating in the All-Ireland quarter final.
The point is bringing the overall level up. Westmeath wouldn't be at their level of 2015 yet either
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2022, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
Didn't you post up a video a while ago of Westmeath beating Meath in Croke Park and It's not so long ago that a division 3 Tipperary gave your own Galway a good beating in the All-Ireland quarter final.
The point is bringing the overall level up. Westmeath wouldn't be at their level of 2015 yet either
Westmeath now and 2015 are around the same level.
Referee changed from Maurice Deegan to Barry Cassidy. Cavan have a history with Cassidy after terrible refereeing performances in one of our U21 AI Semi Finals a few years back and and the Ulster Final 2020.
Quote from: Westside on July 06, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Referee changed from Maurice Deegan to Barry Cassidy. Cavan have a history with Cassidy after terrible refereeing performances in one of our U21 AI Semi Finals a few years back and and the Ulster Final 2020.
So stick my money on Westmeath?
Quote from: Westside on July 06, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Referee changed from Maurice Deegan to Barry Cassidy. Cavan have a history with Cassidy after terrible refereeing performances in one of our U21 AI Semi Finals a few years back and and the Ulster Final 2020.
Does everyone not have a history with Barry Cassidy?
Well Maurice Deegan was the original ref who is also brutal, him and cassidy are the 2 worst around. Deegan gone after this year.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 05:02:01 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2022, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
Didn't you post up a video a while ago of Westmeath beating Meath in Croke Park and It's not so long ago that a division 3 Tipperary gave your own Galway a good beating in the All-Ireland quarter final.
The point is bringing the overall level up. Westmeath wouldn't be at their level of 2015 yet either
Westmeath now and 2015 are around the same level.
They are not. 2015 team was considerably stronger. Were playing division 1 league in 2014.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 05:02:01 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2022, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
The aim of the Tailteann cup is to narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
Didn't you post up a video a while ago of Westmeath beating Meath in Croke Park and It's not so long ago that a division 3 Tipperary gave your own Galway a good beating in the All-Ireland quarter final.
The point is bringing the overall level up. Westmeath wouldn't be at their level of 2015 yet either
Westmeath now and 2015 are around the same level.
They are not. 2015 team was considerably stronger. Were playing division 1 league in 2014.
2015 Westmeath team got relegated to Division 3 won just 2 of their 7 games. If in Division 2 this year Westmeath would have won as many games if not more in my opinion. Down, Offaly playing in Division 2 proved not to be as strong as Westmeath in the Tailteann Cup.
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Quote from: Westside on July 06, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Referee changed from Maurice Deegan to Barry Cassidy. Cavan have a history with Cassidy after terrible refereeing performances in one of our U21 AI Semi Finals a few years back and and the Ulster Final 2020.
Can't believe he got it. He was that bad in the 2020 Ulster final, despite us winning it. And surprised an Ulster ref got it. Just don't understand some of these appointments overall. I'm very wary of this fella, although he does owe us one!
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 07:47:26 AM
Quote from: Westside on July 06, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Referee changed from Maurice Deegan to Barry Cassidy. Cavan have a history with Cassidy after terrible refereeing performances in one of our U21 AI Semi Finals a few years back and and the Ulster Final 2020.
Can't believe he got it. He was that bad in the 2020 Ulster final, despite us winning it. And surprised an Ulster ref got it. Just don't understand some of these appointments overall. I'm very wary of this fella, although he does owe us one!
I'm curious, what is it he has against Cavan?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 08:58:21 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 07:47:26 AM
Quote from: Westside on July 06, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Referee changed from Maurice Deegan to Barry Cassidy. Cavan have a history with Cassidy after terrible refereeing performances in one of our U21 AI Semi Finals a few years back and and the Ulster Final 2020.
Can't believe he got it. He was that bad in the 2020 Ulster final, despite us winning it. And surprised an Ulster ref got it. Just don't understand some of these appointments overall. I'm very wary of this fella, although he does owe us one!
I'm curious, what is it he has against Cavan?
He was beyond brutal against Cavan in Ulster final 2020. Literally every neutral and most Donegal ones said so. We got 2 black cards in the game that were never black cards, Thomas Galligan got elbowed in the face and no action, a clear forward mark called but not given. And that's not even talking about general play, with soft frees given against, but not given with the same thing the other way round. We won that game in spite of him, as we were far far better than Donegal. But they held on by getting scores when we were down to 14. He also vastly favours the favourites, so gives the big team the benefit of the doubt far more than he should rather than being consistent. It's telling that Cavan people are really worried about him being in charge here
Cavan will surely be the big team v Westmeath.
Anyway it should be a Connacht or Munster Ref.
Point of order....a mark is only a mark if/when Ref awards it.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2022, 09:16:26 AM
Cavan will surely be the big team v Westmeath.
Anyway it should be a Connacht or Munster Ref.
Point of order....a mark is only a mark if/when Ref awards it.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. Very level teams. Should be a Connacht or Munster ref alright. And yes, that's fair. But when it's an absolute mark, and the ref forgets to blow his whistle to award it, then that's on the ref and we can point that out as something he missed
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2022, 09:16:26 AM
Cavan will surely be the big team v Westmeath.
Anyway it should be a Connacht or Munster Ref.
Point of order....a mark is only a mark if/when Ref awards it.
Agreed
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2022, 09:16:26 AM
Cavan will surely be the big team v Westmeath.
Anyway it should be a Connacht or Munster Ref.
Point of order....a mark is only a mark if/when Ref awards it.
But when it's an absolute mark, and the ref forgets to blow his whistle to award it, then that's on the ref and we can point that out as something he missed
I was being a biteen pedantic but a player calling a mark doesn't make it one unless Ref has blown for it. Like a blatant foul only gets a free if Ref awards it.
I'm not disagreeing on the Ref getting it wrong.
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 08:58:21 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 07:47:26 AM
Quote from: Westside on July 06, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Referee changed from Maurice Deegan to Barry Cassidy. Cavan have a history with Cassidy after terrible refereeing performances in one of our U21 AI Semi Finals a few years back and and the Ulster Final 2020.
Can't believe he got it. He was that bad in the 2020 Ulster final, despite us winning it. And surprised an Ulster ref got it. Just don't understand some of these appointments overall. I'm very wary of this fella, although he does owe us one!
I'm curious, what is it he has against Cavan?
He was beyond brutal against Cavan in Ulster final 2020. Literally every neutral and most Donegal ones said so. We got 2 black cards in the game that were never black cards, Thomas Galligan got elbowed in the face and no action, a clear forward mark called but not given. And that's not even talking about general play, with soft frees given against, but not given with the same thing the other way round. We won that game in spite of him, as we were far far better than Donegal. But they held on by getting scores when we were down to 14. And think he has Donegal links, so he should never have been in charge of then. He also vastly favours the favourites, so gives the big team the benefit of the doubt far more than he should rather than being consistent. It's telling that Cavan people are really worried about him being in charge here
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
Anyone know how many tickets sold to Cavan and Westmeath?
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
Not a crazy remark. I live up that part of the country and his links are well known here. I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
I think you live where the sun don't shine, his wife raised beside us, know him well and he has not got one link to Donegal you clown.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2022, 11:06:43 AM
Anyone know how many tickets sold to Cavan and Westmeath?
i heard 30k last week. Might not be right though, that figure could be wrong, or could be more sold since then. I bought a load for my family and I don't have a Cavan address. A lot of Cavan people are going it seems anyway
Quote from: shawshank on July 07, 2022, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
Not a crazy remark. I live up that part of the country and his links are well known here. I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
I think you live where the sun don't shine, his wife raised beside us, know him well and he has not got one link to Donegal you clown.
Where did I mention his wife? No need for the clown comment
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
Not a crazy remark. I live up that part of the country and his links are well known here. I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
What do these links have to do with refereeing? If he was bad that day then he was bad, you're implying he is against Cavan because they were playing Donegal and he has links!! Christ listen to yourself ffs!
As for that mark, maybe he got it wrong, it happens but don't make shit up about him
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Quote from: shawshank on July 07, 2022, 11:14:28 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
Not a crazy remark. I live up that part of the country and his links are well known here. I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
I think you live where the sun don't shine, his wife raised beside us, know him well and he has not got one link to Donegal you clown.
Where did I mention his wife? No need for the clown comment
What links does he have?
I think he's had a couple poor intercounty games but in general he's a decent ref and not bias from what I've seen of him in club games.
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Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
What do these links have to do with refereeing? If he was bad that day then he was bad, you're implying he is against Cavan because they were playing Donegal and he has links!! Christ listen to yourself ffs!
As for that mark, maybe he got it wrong, it happens but don't make shit up about him
I've given you quite a lot he got wrong that day, and you're focussing on something that I'll admit is something that I've been told and discussed up here. I'll withdraw what I said, as I don't think this is the platform to repeat. It's why I didn't elaborate on it, but I'll take it back. He was brutal in that match as anyone watching it could see. I've pointed that out to you.
That's fine I said if he had a bad or brutal day, if happens, but too suggest he has some other ulterior motive is bad craic
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 12:22:07 PM
That's fine I said if he had a bad or brutal day, if happens, but too suggest he has some other ulterior motive is bad craic
He did have a brutal day which was the main point of what I said. I'll take that comment back though
Let's hope he has a good day Saturday and that the match itself rather than any refereeing decisions will be the main subject of post match discussion.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 08:58:21 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 07:47:26 AM
Quote from: Westside on July 06, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Referee changed from Maurice Deegan to Barry Cassidy. Cavan have a history with Cassidy after terrible refereeing performances in one of our U21 AI Semi Finals a few years back and and the Ulster Final 2020.
Can't believe he got it. He was that bad in the 2020 Ulster final, despite us winning it. And surprised an Ulster ref got it. Just don't understand some of these appointments overall. I'm very wary of this fella, although he does owe us one!
I'm curious, what is it he has against Cavan?
That's a question for Cassidy not for us. He has a history of making bad decisions to the detriment of Cavan in big games. So I think it's fair enough for Cavan people to be annoyed that he has been handed this game. Nobody cared when it was Deegan.
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Quote from: shawshank on July 07, 2022, 11:14:28 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
Not a crazy remark. I live up that part of the country and his links are well known here. I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
I think you live where the sun don't shine, his wife raised beside us, know him well and he has not got one link to Donegal you clown.
Where did I mention his wife? No need for the clown comment
You didn't mention her. I did, because she lived beside me growing up and thats how I know that the ref has no connections in Donegal. You are the one trying a character assassination, stating you live up that part of the country and the links are well known, stating he had connections to Donegal when in fact its utter lies, and thats why your a nasty clown.
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Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: shawshank on July 07, 2022, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
Not a crazy remark. I live up that part of the country and his links are well known here. I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
I think you live where the sun don't shine, his wife raised beside us, know him well and he has not got one link to Donegal you clown.
Where did I mention his wife? No need for the clown comment
You didn't mention her. I did, because she lived beside me growing up and thats how I know that the ref has no connections in Donegal. You are the one trying a character assassination, stating you live up that part of the country and the links are well known, stating he had connections to Donegal when in fact its utter lies, and thats why your a nasty clown.
What sort of humour is he in this week? Would you say he's likely or not likely to wrongfully black card a Cavan player on Saturday?
Quote from: shawshank on July 07, 2022, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: shawshank on July 07, 2022, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 07, 2022, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
I asked what has he got against Cavan and you said he was brutal against you in match... then make some crazy remark about having 'links' to Donegal?
As for the 'mark' the ref will blow every time, if player calls for the mark he has 15 seconds to play it, if he doesn't call the mark the player can not be challenged for up to 4 steps.
Not a crazy remark. I live up that part of the country and his links are well known here. I gave you the reason why I felt he was bad towards Cavan in that game, and there were many as literally everyone pointed out afterwards. That was something different I added after.
He didn't blow it though. That's my point. it was a clear mark, went the distance, inside the 45, and caught cleanly, and McKiernan had his arm up for it. But he didn't even blow for it. Play went on and he was challenged, but this was a definite scoring chance if he gave the mark as he was meant to. All the pundits doing the live match called this as a very bad call. Did he just forget the rule for a moment?
I think you live where the sun don't shine, his wife raised beside us, know him well and he has not got one link to Donegal you clown.
Where did I mention his wife? No need for the clown comment
You didn't mention her. I did, because she lived beside me growing up and thats how I know that the ref has no connections in Donegal. You are the one trying a character assassination, stating you live up that part of the country and the links are well known, stating he had connections to Donegal when in fact its utter lies, and thats why your a nasty clown.
Carachter assassination? Ah here now, listen to yourself, let's not get ridiculous. Oh and it's you're. If you're going to be nasty yourself, at least get it right
Cassidy is a poor referee. Has went out of his way to screw Cavan in the past. In particular the Ulster final 2020.
Mind you the Kelly referee the last day from Longford and his umpires were even worse. Gave a penalty to Sligo miles out of the box. Few other dodgey decisions for points too
So all the ref's have it in for Cavan? f**k me!! The state of these posts..
I hope Westmeath stuff yas and a few black cards thrown in for the craic ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 05:15:03 PM
So all the ref's have it in for Cavan? f**k me!! The state of these posts..
I hope Westmeath stuff yas and a few black cards thrown in for the craic ;D
I have no doubt Cassidy will do his best to see you get your wish.
Just concentrate on the football the game and how you'll beat Westmeath...
Been involved in all areas of GAA, I never once looked at who was doing any games I was involved in either playing or managing.. if I didn't know his style of refereeing I'll ask about but that's it.
It's a case of worrying how my team would play and the opposition, now it seems the main opposition is the ref.
Seen a post on fb today with notification on the Hurling final appointment and there are clampits giving off and getting personal with their online abuse and accusations
Wise up
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 07:05:30 PM
Just concentrate on the football the game and how you'll beat Westmeath...
Been involved in all areas of GAA, I never once looked at who was doing any games I was involved in either playing or managing.. if I didn't know his style of refereeing I'll ask about but that's it.
It's a case of worrying how my team would play and the opposition, now it seems the main opposition is the ref.
Seen a post on fb today with notification on the Hurling final appointment and there are clampits giving off and getting personal with their online abuse and accusations
Wise up
True.
I think the teams and management especially, will be focussing on their game plans and tactics etc.
Too much to do to worry what the referee might/might not do.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 07:05:30 PM
Just concentrate on the football the game and how you'll beat Westmeath...
Been involved in all areas of GAA, I never once looked at who was doing any games I was involved in either playing or managing.. if I didn't know his style of refereeing I'll ask about but that's it.
It's a case of worrying how my team would play and the opposition, now it seems the main opposition is the ref.
Seen a post on fb today with notification on the Hurling final appointment and there are clampits giving off and getting personal with their online abuse and accusations
Wise up
Man, nobody asked and nobody cares what you concentrated on before a game you were involved in.
A referee with a history of making bad calls against us in big games was appointed to the final. It's fair game for discussion.
Hopefully he doesn't have Branigan on the line, he's equally as poor.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 05:15:03 PM
So all the ref's have it in for Cavan? f**k me!! The state of these posts..
I hope Westmeath stuff yas and a few black cards thrown in for the craic ;D
4 big incidents in one huge match pointed out to you. You asked the problem and we backed it up. What more do you want here? He is not a good ref and that's shown. Why you defending him?
Point made...Cavan don't like Mr Cassidy. Move the discussion along.
He's still a poor ref and shouldn't get big matches.
See how it goes on Saturday.
The handicap has gone down to 1 point. It's on a knife edge really. Cavan will be hoping that we have more than we showed against Sligo. If we allow Westmeath the same freedom to run at us, they'll tear us to shreds. i would hope that we can start putting away some of the goal chances we've been creating.
Will teams be named tomorrow?
I think Cavan be too strong for Westmeath, they need reduce Heslin influence though who I think a great player but a midfielder playing up front as they need his scoring power.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2022, 11:30:41 AM
I think Cavan be too strong for Westmeath, they need reduce Heslin influence though who I think a great player but a midfielder playing up front as they need his scoring power.
He's not really a midfielder playing up front. He has spent the vast majority of his adult life playing at full forward, whether it be for Westmeath, Lomans, or UCD. He did come to prominence initially as a midfielder, when playing in a Leinster u21 final as a 17 year old. But apart from his aerial ability, it doesn't really suit him. His movement at full forward is really good. Rarely looks for the initial ball , but is excellent at coming on the loop once one of his teammates has won the first ball.
Cavan have struggled badly to contain strong mobile full forwards in the past couple of seasons. If we leave Faulkner to mark Heslin and don't get the bodies back to support him (as we did against Conor Sweeney twice and Niall Murphy), the end result won't be pretty for Cavan.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXK7CtSX0AA7CWy?format=jpg&name=small)
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Brown envelop handed over
Good start to the game, after 10 minutes Cavan 0-3 to 0-2 ahead.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 03:01:35 PM
Brown envelop handed over
Blatant peno not given and blatant touch on ground for Westmeath not given. A disgrace of a ref
Ok blatant over carrying by Cavan player gets a free somehow
Perfect example of supporters not knowing the rules, player falls to the ground with ball can play it on the ground
Nothing wrong with the Westmeath goal, you are allowed to play the ball on the ground if you lose balance.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 09, 2022, 03:34:48 PM
Nothing wrong with the Westmeath goal, you are allowed to play the ball on the ground if you lose balance.
Two buffoons think not and the pundit whoever he is...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 03:33:39 PM
Ok blatant over carrying by Cavan player gets a free somehow
Perfect example of supporters not knowing the rules, player falls to the ground with ball can play it on the ground
Beat me to it. McStay doesn't know it either, will be interesting to see if the panel know it.
Though I seem to remember the wording of the rule can also lead to ambiguity - I.e is it 'falls to the ground' under any circumstances or just in a tackle?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 09, 2022, 03:34:48 PM
Nothing wrong with the Westmeath goal, you are allowed to play the ball on the ground if you lose balance.
Exactly. How can they appoint commentators that do not know that?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 09, 2022, 03:34:48 PM
Nothing wrong with the Westmeath goal, you are allowed to play the ball on the ground if you lose balance.
Indeed, we were doubly robbed in the '95 Final! ;)
Quote from: Hound on July 09, 2022, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 03:33:39 PM
Ok blatant over carrying by Cavan player gets a free somehow
Perfect example of supporters not knowing the rules, player falls to the ground with ball can play it on the ground
Beat me to it. McStay doesn't know it either, will be interesting to see if the panel know it.
Though I seem to remember the wording of the rule can also lead to ambiguity - I.e is it 'falls to the ground' under any circumstances or just in a tackle?
The amount of twats that are losing their shit over this during club games does make me chuckle
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 09, 2022, 03:34:48 PM
Nothing wrong with the Westmeath goal, you are allowed to play the ball on the ground if you lose balance.
Indeed, we were doubly robbed in the '95 Final! ;)
Im sure it is in the tackle only !
Was the cavan player fouled outside or inside the box?
Half time Westmeath 1-8 Cavan 0-9. Good game between sides of equal quality.
I think he fouled the ball long before he reached the penalty area.. so he was wrong on both points and Cavan lucky to get a score from it.
I'd be raging if it's a draw at the vend based on his over carrying
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 09, 2022, 03:34:48 PM
Nothing wrong with the Westmeath goal, you are allowed to play the ball on the ground if you lose balance.
Indeed, we were doubly robbed in the '95 Final! ;)
Im sure it is in the tackle only !
"...player falls to the ground with ball can play it on the ground"
Canavan fell to the ground with the ball, plus the ball was actually off the ground.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 03:41:22 PM
I think he fouled the ball long before he reached the penalty area.. so he was wrong on both points and Cavan lucky to get a score from it.
I'd be raging if it's a draw at the vend based on his over carrying
Utter shite, its no wonder your a ref. 10 times in every match a man will win a ball, ball to the ground and touch it on ground and get a free but today we learn these calls are all incorrect and in fact you can ball on ground and actually touch ball. Brilliant
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 09, 2022, 03:34:48 PM
Nothing wrong with the Westmeath goal, you are allowed to play the ball on the ground if you lose balance.
Was he off balance? Was laying on the ground when the pass was made. Westmeath goal was coming and Cavan haven't tighten much from the Sligo game.
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 03:41:22 PM
I think he fouled the ball long before he reached the penalty area.. so he was wrong on both points and Cavan lucky to get a score from it.
I'd be raging if it's a draw at the vend based on his over carrying
Utter shite, its no wonder your a ref. 10 times in every match a man will win a ball, ball to the ground and touch it on ground and get a free but today we learn these calls are all incorrect and in fact you can ball on ground and actually touch ball. Brilliant
This rule has been around for a long time, maybe your knowledge of the rules need some refreshing. It's allowed Cassidy was correct on this one and missed the over carrying but Cavan got a score hopefully that doesn't end up hurting them
Player in posession falls or is knocked to the ground may play ball with hand or fist and nay score while doing it :o
I really hope people knew about this rule before today? Be pretty embarrassing though doesn't surprise me with amount of crap ya hear
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Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 03:41:22 PM
I think he fouled the ball long before he reached the penalty area.. so he was wrong on both points and Cavan lucky to get a score from it.
I'd be raging if it's a draw at the vend based on his over carrying
Utter shite, its no wonder your a ref. 10 times in every match a man will win a ball, ball to the ground and touch it on ground and get a free but today we learn these calls are all incorrect and in fact you can ball on ground and actually touch ball. Brilliant
This rule has been around for a long time, maybe your knowledge of the rules need some refreshing. It's allowed Cassidy was correct on this one and missed the over carrying but Cavan got a score hopefully that doesn't end up hurting them
Is it implemented much this rule. Load of rubbish and you know full well its never implemented
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2022, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 03:48:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 03:41:22 PM
I think he fouled the ball long before he reached the penalty area.. so he was wrong on both points and Cavan lucky to get a score from it.
I'd be raging if it's a draw at the vend based on his over carrying
Utter shite, its no wonder your a ref. 10 times in every match a man will win a ball, ball to the ground and touch it on ground and get a free but today we learn these calls are all incorrect and in fact you can ball on ground and actually touch ball. Brilliant
This rule has been around for a long time, maybe your knowledge of the rules need some refreshing. It's allowed Cassidy was correct on this one and missed the over carrying but Cavan got a score hopefully that doesn't end up hurting them
Is it implemented much this rule. Load of rubbish and you know full well its never implemented
What? You're looking very dumb... it's done in games a lot .. but because it's not implemented 'much' we should just abandon it? Words fail me
The pundit is still debating it? Christ the f**king night!
McStay making a total eejit of himself .
How much is he paid?
The lads at ht were good and a breath of fresh air compared to their usual shower.
Look at that last free to westmeath, a total joke.
Westmeath deserved that Cavan goal, very lateral play in the 2nd half.
Square ball missed ::)
Cavan goal out of nothing, point effort ends up a goal. Cavan 1-11 Westmeath 1-10 53 minutes played.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 04:16:07 PM
Square ball missed ::)
Nope, ball first, then the player.
Seems to have been a lot of goalkeeping howlers this year.
Poor by the Westmeath goalkeeper and defender on that goal. Cavan tails are up now!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 04:17:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2022, 04:16:07 PM
Square ball missed ::)
Nope, ball first, then the player.
The player who palmed it back was (in the replay certainly) standing on the goal line
Hard call but easy red there
Awful tackle
Cavan down to 14
What a stupid tackle
Thomas Galligan red carded. Correct call watching the replay. 59 mins played Cavan 2 in front.
Somebody enlighten me here...Faulkner wasn't in the small area when the ball was kicked in. But what about the other Cavan player who challenged for the ball with the keeper who (I think) was in tthe square?
Borderline yellow/red but stupid by galligan who's been crap
1 point game
1-13 each 66 mins played
Quote from: MasterShake on July 09, 2022, 04:22:59 PM
Somebody enlighten me here...Faulkner wasn't in the small area when the ball was kicked in. But what about the other Cavan player who challenged for the ball with the keeper who (I think) was in tthe square?
It was 100% not a square ball. No Cavan player in the square at the moment the ball was played in (I played it back)
Westmeath seem to have the momentum
Some impact off the bench from Martin. A goal for Westmeath they lead by 3.
Ulster defending ain't what it used to be.
Poor auld Cavan
Looks like Cavan's indiscipline is going to cost them here -- that red card could be decisive.
Cavan have been pathetic and westmeath deserve to win
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 04:32:03 PM
Looks like Cavan's indiscipline is going to cost them here -- that red card could be decisive.
Definitely looks as though the sending off was the watershed
Very successful competition.
The sending off certainly swung the momentum but over the 70 plus minutes the best team won and congrats to Westmeath the first ever Tailteann cup winners. Westmeath 2-14 Cavan 1-13
Well done Westmeath, worthy winners, and a befitting final for the inaugural showpiece.
Well done Cassidy Westmeath
Enjoyable game of football. Westmeath well deserved the win.
Sam McCartan was outstanding. His grandfather would be proud I'm sure.
Great game, well done Westmeath. The Tailteann Cup has been a huge success imo.
Deserved win for Westmeath and to be honest they looked the most likely winners looking at the two semi finals.
Some block by the Westmeath full back and captain to prevent extra time
Fair play Westmeath, better team.
First title for Westmeath in a long time.
Congrats to westmeath, fully deserved. I think Graham has brought cavan as far as he can. That was an appalling performance and not good enough to do that when you make a national final.
Struggling to think of a more overrated footballer than Thomas Galligan.
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2022, 04:42:16 PM
Congrats to westmeath, fully deserved. I think Graham has brought cavan as far as he can. That was an appalling performance and not good enough to do that when you make a national final.
Small margins all the same, Itchy
Cavan threw it away
Good to see a Leinster team win as they are so disadvantaged by the money machine in their provincial championship.
Another reckless tackle, deservedly earning a red card, losing the game for his team; when will players learn?
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2022, 04:41:49 PM
First title for Westmeath in a long time.
Two trophies won in 2019.
O'Byrne Cup in beating Dublin in the final in Parnell Park.
2019 they won the Div 3 league title beating Laois in Croke Park.
Well done Westies, deserving winners.
Good game and good start for the Tailteann.
Westmeath first Qualifiers for Sam series 2023.
Milltown Row should start a thread on rules of football.
Post 1 every week .
Gaelic football must be the only sport where half the participants and about 90% of followers don't know the rules.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2022, 05:06:36 PM
Well done Westies, deserving winners.
Good game and good start for the Tailteann.
Westmeath first Qualifiers for Sam series 2023.
Milltown Row should start a thread on rules of football.
Post 1 every week .
Gaelic football must be the only sport where half the participants and about 90% of followers don't know the rules.
There is a rule thread...
Another rule is the Mark at times, the confusion around it in every game, I shouldn't be telling managers why I'm making a call in a game and they question it after explaining...
Spillane at the end saying what a great success the competition had been then in the next breath saying the likes of Westmeath and Cavan shouldn't be in it and it should only be for Div 4 teams.
I'm sure Westmeath are delighted to have been in it ffs ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2022, 03:51:07 PM
Player in posession falls or is knocked to the ground may play ball with hand or fist and nay score while doing it :o
Is it not if he loses possession???
Rule says nothing about losing possession
Can fist or palm the ball along ground. Player in this case did he not touch it on ground. Then play a handpass. So a free out. Wasn't palmed along ground? Haven't seen a replay, just from view at game.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 09, 2022, 07:44:52 PM
Can fist or palm the ball along ground. Player in this case did he not touch it on ground. Then play a handpass. So a free out. Wasn't palmed along ground? Haven't seen a replay, just from view at game.
Watch the replay, the ref called it correctly.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 09, 2022, 07:44:52 PM
Can fist or palm the ball along ground. Player in this case did he not touch it on ground. Then play a handpass. So a free out. Wasn't palmed along ground? Haven't seen a replay, just from view at game.
Watch the replay, the ref called it correctly.
Just watched, yeah good call by ref.
Westmeath were the better team. They deserved their success today.
https://twitter.com/westmeath_gaa/status/1545882499552841728
Great to see the scenes in Westmeath tonight
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 10, 2022, 12:00:38 AM
Great to see the scenes in Westmeath tonight
Was Cassidy there enjoying a few?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2022, 12:41:45 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 10, 2022, 12:00:38 AM
Great to see the scenes in Westmeath tonight
Be his first few if he was
Was Cassidy there enjoying a few?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 09, 2022, 11:54:20 PM
https://twitter.com/westmeath_gaa/status/1545882499552841728
They should have played Joe Dolan
https://youtu.be/jkLC2mj5wvE
Wouldn't be a fan of some of that shite the cavan ones were singing on the Hill
Quote from: full moon on July 10, 2022, 02:36:03 PM
Quote from: markl121 on July 10, 2022, 02:11:51 PM
Wouldn't be a fan of some of that shite the cavan ones were singing on the Hill
What was it
I'd rather be a P**I than Westmeath
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Quote from: full moon on July 10, 2022, 02:36:03 PM
Quote from: markl121 on July 10, 2022, 02:11:51 PM
Wouldn't be a fan of some of that shite the cavan ones were singing on the Hill
What was it
I'd rather be a P**I than Westmeath
Disgusting if true and I'd ban any such wankers from our games if true.
Quote from: Itchy on July 10, 2022, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: markl121 on July 10, 2022, 03:11:56 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 10, 2022, 02:36:03 PM
Quote from: markl121 on July 10, 2022, 02:11:51 PM
Wouldn't be a fan of some of that shite the cavan ones were singing on the Hill
What was it
I'd rather be a P**I than Westmeath
Disgusting if true and I'd ban any such wankers from our games if true.
Seems to be a lot of pricks, young ones, who travel to games on buses and drink the bit out.
Foul mouthed and scummy behaviour in front of young families.
Quote from: Itchy on July 10, 2022, 06:04:00 PM
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Quote from: full moon on July 10, 2022, 02:36:03 PM
Quote from: markl121 on July 10, 2022, 02:11:51 PM
Wouldn't be a fan of some of that shite the cavan ones were singing on the Hill
What was it
I'd rather be a P**I than Westmeath
Disgusting if true and I'd ban any such wankers from our games if true.
defo true, was hundreds singing it too, like mentioned there young ones boozed up. My brother and the wife were with me and she's Chinese. She put her hat on when that started to hide her face a bit just in case.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1545796054670610432
Disgraceful not to show the Cup presentation.
Would like to see Kilkenny follow there win today by putting a league team out.
Quote from: pbat on July 11, 2022, 12:55:24 AM
Would like to see Kilkenny follow there win today by putting a league team out.
Long overdue a return to the NFL, 2012 since they last played in it?
Jack Cooney, the winning Westmeath manager, was very impressive. He bought into the concept of the Tailteann cup fully, got the tactics right and did good interviews.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 11, 2022, 02:50:46 AM
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Quote from: pbat on July 11, 2022, 12:55:24 AM
Would like to see Kilkenny follow there win today by putting a league team out.
Long overdue a return to the NFL, 2012 since they last played in it?
IIRC in the last couple of seasons they were in the NFL they were shipping some right hammerings, even against London, Waterford & Wicklow IIRC. It's one thing entering a team into the league, it's another getting eligible players that are of a competitive standard to want to play for them, especially as football is primarily a winter/ early spring activity for most clubs there before the hurling starts to get going. You can take a horse to water, and all that...
Where I have a problem with Kilkenny is that most counties invest heavily in two sports, they only have to invest heavily in hurling. Counties who do not promote both sports should be penalised financially to level the playing field
Quote from: 6th sam on July 11, 2022, 08:51:21 AM
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Quote from: pbat on July 11, 2022, 12:55:24 AM
Would like to see Kilkenny follow there win today by putting a league team out.
Long overdue a return to the NFL, 2012 since they last played in it?
IIRC in the last couple of seasons they were in the NFL they were shipping some right hammerings, even against London, Waterford & Wicklow IIRC. It's one thing entering a team into the league, it's another getting eligible players that are of a competitive standard to want to play for them, especially as football is primarily a winter/ early spring activity for most clubs there before the hurling starts to get going. You can take a horse to water, and all that...
Where I have a problem with Kilkenny is that most counties invest heavily in two sports, they only have to invest heavily in hurling. Counties who do not promote both sports should be penalised financially to level the playing field
Football is weak in Wexford, Limerick, Kilkenny and Waterford and has minority status in Tipp, Cork and Clare. Only in Offaly, Galway, Antrim and Dublin is there parity of esteem. Football is dominant in Down and Laois. Where do you draw the line ?
Quote from: 6th sam on July 11, 2022, 08:51:21 AM
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Quote from: pbat on July 11, 2022, 12:55:24 AM
Would like to see Kilkenny follow there win today by putting a league team out.
Long overdue a return to the NFL, 2012 since they last played in it?
IIRC in the last couple of seasons they were in the NFL they were shipping some right hammerings, even against London, Waterford & Wicklow IIRC. It's one thing entering a team into the league, it's another getting eligible players that are of a competitive standard to want to play for them, especially as football is primarily a winter/ early spring activity for most clubs there before the hurling starts to get going. You can take a horse to water, and all that...
Where I have a problem with Kilkenny is that most counties invest heavily in two sports, they only have to invest heavily in hurling. Counties who do not promote both sports should be penalised financially to level the playing field
I think that's rubbish. Investing 10s of thousands into a sport in a county where there is no interest is a waste of money. Likewise small counties like cavan should stop wasting money on hurling too.
are u so called true gael if you think hurling or football funding should be scrapped
Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 08:15:25 AM
Jack Cooney, the winning Westmeath manager, was very impressive. He bought into the concept of the Tailteann cup fully, got the tactics right and did good interviews.
It was a success.
Teams will buy into it more next year although there could be a few dead rubbers in the group stages but it's here to stay.
By the way, how do Westmeath get into the Sam Maguire next year?
Quote from: Eire90 on July 11, 2022, 10:25:17 AM
are u so called true gael if you think hurling or football funding should be scrapped
Never claimed so be a "so called true gael". That's my opinion. Do one thing and do it right when you can barely afford to do one thing. Big counties like Dublin, Cork, galway and Antrim etc can probably do both - good for them.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 08:15:25 AM
Jack Cooney, the winning Westmeath manager, was very impressive. He bought into the concept of the Tailteann cup fully, got the tactics right and did good interviews.
It was a success.
Teams will buy into it more next year although there could be a few dead rubbers in the group stages but it's here to stay.
By the way, how do Westmeath get into the Sam Maguire next year?
I think like this year
7 counties got a bye plus a preliminary round to make 8 in Ulster . This year 2 counties were chosen at random for the preliminary round.
Next year I imagine Westmeath would be in a preliminary round of the qualifiers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#All-Ireland_Qualifiers
New system next year as voted in by Congress in February.
Quote from: marty34 on July 11, 2022, 10:26:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 08:15:25 AM
Jack Cooney, the winning Westmeath manager, was very impressive. He bought into the concept of the Tailteann cup fully, got the tactics right and did good interviews.
It was a success.
Teams will buy into it more next year although there could be a few dead rubbers in the group stages but it's here to stay.
By the way, how do Westmeath get into the Sam Maguire next year?
At the moment there are three possible routes - provincial finalist route; league place; Tailteann Cup.
The Tailteann Cup route is already locked in so if Westmeath don't get one of the 8 provincial finalist places or finish in the top 8 in the league (after the 8 provincial finalists are taken out) they will replace the team that finishes 8th in the league (after the 8 provincial finalists are taken out) as one of the 4 4th seeds.
However depending on how the league and provincial championships go, they could improve their position by going into the Sam Maguire as either 1st or 2nd seeds if they get to the Leinster final.
Because they are in Division 3 next year there is no way they can be a higher seed than 4th via the league placings route.
Very disappointing for Cavan. You feel that red card turned the game and that cost us big time. Realistically it was badly mistimed and was a red card.
Westmeath were the better team though and played the better football. Cavan went back to our safety first slow build up. Very few players to kick into.
And our sheer lack of goal threat has been a problem for years. Depending on our full back to nick scrapy goals. Really our whole attacking unit didn't work and hasn't worked all year and it cost us.
Great interview by Luke Loughlin of Westmeath and great to see that being involved in a winning team is a reward for the way in which he has turned his life around. A brilliant story to go with a fantastic year for Westmeath.
Tailteann allstar discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bNC_2AyocI
Tailteann all stars
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1020/1330333-westmeath-lead-tailteann-team-selection/
Well done to neighbours Sligo with 3 and to Keith Beirne as well.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 01:12:28 PM
Well done to neighbours Sligo with 3 and to Keith Beirne as well.
Great to see these players being recognised
The importance of recognition . I don't think the Tailteann will share the fate of the Tommy Murphy Cup
Starts at 29 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMOgdw5C_8U
Another reason why it's not the TMC
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1106/1333519-the-downs-see-off-marys-to-advance-to-leinster-semi/
Kevin O'Sullivan, showing no ill-effects from a trip to Mexico in recent days with Westmeath's Tailteann Cup-winning squad, scored a great goal at the end of a fine move.
As it stand who is in the TC 2023? I assume Limerick aren't due to Westmeath?
The rest up for grabs I guess with Clare probably demoted to it if a division 3 / 4 get out of connacht.
(I also think there's an outside chance of Cavan getting to an ulster final).
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2023, 11:25:35 AM
As it stand who is in the TC 2023? I assume Limerick aren't due to Westmeath?
The rest up for grabs I guess with Clare probably demoted to it if a division 3 / 4 get out of connacht.
(I also think there's an outside chance of Cavan getting to an ulster final).
Nobody yet. As the provincials have to run off first. So as it stands, everyone has a chance to get to a final and not be in the TC.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2023, 11:25:35 AM
As it stand who is in the TC 2023? I assume Limerick aren't due to Westmeath?
The rest up for grabs I guess with Clare probably demoted to it if a division 3 / 4 get out of connacht.
(I also think there's an outside chance of Cavan getting to an ulster final).
8 provincial finalists, Westmeath & then 7 league places. So say Galway get to Connacht final, you go to the next team with league standings and so on if someone is "double qualified"
That's my understanding anyway :o
I think it would be worthwhile putting some sort of carrot there fir the winners of div 3. Automatic entry to the all ireland series. Slightly unfair that s team could win div 3 and not make the all ireland series. Even allow them a play off with the lowest ranking provincial finalist
Quote from: An Watcher on March 28, 2023, 12:10:54 PM
I think it would be worthwhile putting some sort of carrot there fir the winners of div 3. Automatic entry to the all ireland series. Slightly unfair that s team could win div 3 and not make the all ireland series. Even allow them a play off with the lowest ranking provincial finalist
I am not sure that this year is a template. The Connacht final will throw up one TC team and there is Westmeath so that accounts for the 2 relegated teams from D2. Maybe next year could be different.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 28, 2023, 12:10:54 PM
I think it would be worthwhile putting some sort of carrot there fir the winners of div 3. Automatic entry to the all ireland series. Slightly unfair that s team could win div 3 and not make the all ireland series. Even allow them a play off with the lowest ranking provincial finalist
Meath and Kildare who finished 13th and 14th in the NFL could be in it yet so never mind the 15th place D3 winners
Maybe the div 3 winners deserve a place ahead of those 2?
No.
Last year the promoted d3 teams (Limerick and Louth) were in the Sam Maguîre and the 2 relegated D2 teams were in the TC but there was obviously no TC winner like this year and there was no link to provincial finals.
Maybe a preliminary stage would be fairer to the 2 promoted D3 teams.
I am not sure why they changed that tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2023, 02:47:24 PM
I am not sure why they changed that tbh.
They didn't change anything really. Only difference now is that the inaugural Tailteann winner is in it (and they managed to stay in Division 3) and the Connacht draw has messed things up a bit by guaranteeing a team that played Division 4 this year will get to a provincial final. Just happened to be the first year of it that Louth and Limerick as promoted teams got up last year, and no others below them got to finals.
Westmeath did win something to get their place, the structure of the Connacht draw is not really ideal and it will happen every few years in either Connacht or Munster unless there is clear seeding.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 28, 2023, 12:10:54 PM
I think it would be worthwhile putting some sort of carrot there fir the winners of div 3. Automatic entry to the all ireland series. Slightly unfair that s team could win div 3 and not make the all ireland series. Even allow them a play off with the lowest ranking provincial finalist
I think as time goes on and the appeal of the TC diminishes it might be worth considering automatic promotion to d2 (if not already in it) as a carrot for winning the TC.
Could mean everyone is very invested in it, including those lower ranked D2 teams (Meath this year for example) who may end up in TC, it'd be in their interests to win to ensure they stay in D2!
Really hope that Meath end up in this competition .
Would be great to see O'Rourke managing in it as he has been such a huge supporter of the competition.
He called it a massive success last year.
Competition unfortunately is flawed.
From a Fermanagh point of view it is extremely frustrating to be in the top 16 teams in the country and not to be in the All Ireland series.
Playing teams in the group stages of the All Ireland would have been great preparation for next year's division 2 and gave us an indication of what needs to be done in the off season so that we can compete in division 2.
The GAA have been making the rules up for the split season as they go along and this is a good example.
They need 16 in each competition and this could include a preliminary stage.
This year there are at least 4 counties with a fair claim to Sam Maguire status , namely the 2 promoted D3 counties, Fermanagh and Cavan, last year's Tailteann winners (Westmeath) and whichever D3/4 Connacht team reaches the final. There may also be a D3 team from Munster in the mix.
Last year there was no previous winner so the 2 promoted teams got Sam Maguire status.
It's not fair to the 2 promoted teams from d3 to be excluded because of the Provincial draws. It's too random.
Something like allocating the 2 relegated D2 spots to provincial finalists first, then the D3 winners, would be fair. If there were more than 2 then a playoff with d2 5 and 6 would be feasible.
System adopted overwhelmingly by Congress 2022.
Fermanagh could have qualified for Sam 2023 by winning TC last year.
Clearly a flaw in the competitions is allowing provincial finalists a backdoor out of the Tailteann and into the Sam Maguire. Should only be the provincial winners (and last year's Taliteann winners of course) that can skip their league placing.
Quote from: seafoid on March 29, 2023, 12:20:53 PM
The GAA have been making the rules up for the split season as they go along and this is a good example.
They need 16 in each competition and this could include a preliminary stage.
This year there are at least 4 counties with a fair claim to Sam Maguire status , namely the 2 promoted D3 counties, Fermanagh and Cavan, last year's Tailteann winners (Westmeath) and whichever D3/4 Connacht team reaches the final. There may also be a D3 team from Munster in the mix.
Last year there was no previous winner so the 2 promoted teams got Sam Maguire status.
It's not fair to the 2 promoted teams from d3 to be excluded because of the Provincial draws. It's too random.
Something like allocating the 2 relegated D2 spots to provincial finalists first, then the D3 winners, would be fair. If there were more than 2 then a playoff with d2 5 and 6 would be feasible.
I have to agree that they messed the setup of this. There needed to be some controls in place. Be it seeding in provincials, or at least guaranteeing Div3 winners being in it. The simple fact is that no one knows rightly what is actually going on. I've seen multiple articles on national papers that state that Div3 winners will go into Sam if Westmeath get to a Leinster final. That's completely wrong, and supposedly this was said to them from Croke Park, so someone there engaging with the media doesn't know fully.
We're not dealing like with like year on year. Last year was a clean split, the Div 1/2 teams for 2023 in Sam, the rest in Tailteann. That meant we were guaranteed a Div 3/4 team winning Tailteann and playing down there the following year, leaving the possibility that they won't be promoted the following season. Which is what has happened with Westmeath. You're now therefore in Year 2, which you'll likely have the situation where a Division 2 team from next year wins it (be it the 2 promoted teams, or likes of Meath if another get to a final), and potential for them to hold a position if they get relegated. It'll take time for this to wash through properly, but their inability to set this up properly really does affect teams who simply don't know what'll happen from year to year.
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Clearly a flaw in the competitions is allowing provincial finalists a backdoor out of the Tailteann and into the Sam Maguire. Should only be the provincial winners (and last year's Taliteann winners of course) that can skip their league placing.
Agree with you.
It should be last year's Sam and TC winners and the 4 Provincial Champions (i.e teams who won Championships in previous 12 months) plus 10 highest NFL finishers.
Meanwhile no need to listen/read incorrect media waffle about the formats...read Mod5's posts on this forum taken from the T.O.
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Clearly a flaw in the competitions is allowing provincial finalists a backdoor out of the Tailteann and into the Sam Maguire. Should only be the provincial winners (and last year's Taliteann winners of course) that can skip their league placing.
This is especially true if they draw means that you only have to play Tailteann cup teams to get to the Provincial final.
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 29, 2023, 01:12:54 PM
I have to agree that they messed the setup of this. There needed to be some controls in place. Be it seeding in provincials, or at least guaranteeing Div3 winners being in it. The simple fact is that no one knows rightly what is actually going on. I've seen multiple articles on national papers that state that Div3 winners will go into Sam if Westmeath get to a Leinster final. That's completely wrong, and supposedly this was said to them from Croke Park, so someone there engaging with the media doesn't know fully
But if Westmeath get to a Leinster final, they move form 4th seeds to 2nd seeds, so that surely does open up an extra 4th seed spot?
No.
Lowest 3rd seeds becomes a 4th seed.
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2023, 02:25:54 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 29, 2023, 01:12:54 PM
I have to agree that they messed the setup of this. There needed to be some controls in place. Be it seeding in provincials, or at least guaranteeing Div3 winners being in it. The simple fact is that no one knows rightly what is actually going on. I've seen multiple articles on national papers that state that Div3 winners will go into Sam if Westmeath get to a Leinster final. That's completely wrong, and supposedly this was said to them from Croke Park, so someone there engaging with the media doesn't know fully
But if Westmeath get to a Leinster final, they move form 4th seeds to 2nd seeds, so that surely does open up an extra 4th seed spot?
No. As they're already in the 16 in Sam, all they're doing is improving their seeding from 4th to 1st or 2nd. It doesn't create a new place, it just goes to the next best on League ranking.
I get the confusion in it though. Them getting to a final means a final place less for a top 14 team, who'll then grab it by League placing anyway.
The qualification is 8 provincial finalists, the Tailteann Cup winner, and next 7 in League
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Clearly a flaw in the competitions is allowing provincial finalists a backdoor out of the Tailteann and into the Sam Maguire. Should only be the provincial winners (and last year's Taliteann winners of course) that can skip their league placing.
I don't agree actually. With your logic here, you're putting more weight on League results than actual Championship results in the previous 3 weeks in that actual Championship. Championship is the main competition, and that should be rewarded so. A team getting to a final should be rewarded for having a good year.
I will quantify that by saying the draws should be seeded to prevent a Division 4 team getting to a final by not playing anyone decent, like Connacht this year. Seed the draws, and if you then make it through to a final by beating quality teams, then you fully deserve your place there
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2023, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Clearly a flaw in the competitions is allowing provincial finalists a backdoor out of the Tailteann and into the Sam Maguire. Should only be the provincial winners (and last year's Taliteann winners of course) that can skip their league placing.
Agree with you.
It should be last year's Sam and TC winners and the 4 Provincial Champions (i.e teams who won Championships in previous 12 months) plus 10 highest NFL finishers.
Meanwhile no need to listen/read incorrect media waffle about the formats...read Mod5's posts on this forum taken from the T.O.
That doesn't really help because of the overlap. In most years last year's all Ireland winner will be from D1 and the 4 provincial winners will be from the top 10 in the League. So you will have 5 free slots. There needs to be a clear definition for D3 top 2 . They can't be subject to the randomness of the Connacht draw.
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 29, 2023, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Clearly a flaw in the competitions is allowing provincial finalists a backdoor out of the Tailteann and into the Sam Maguire. Should only be the provincial winners (and last year's Taliteann winners of course) that can skip their league placing.
I don't agree actually. With your logic here, you're putting more weight on League results than actual Championship results in the previous 3 weeks in that actual Championship. Championship is the main competition, and that should be rewarded so. A team getting to a final should be rewarded for having a good year.
I will quantify that by saying the draws should be seeded to prevent a Division 4 team getting to a final by not playing anyone decent, like Connacht this year. Seed the draws, and if you then make it through to a final by beating quality teams, then you fully deserve your place there
I'd firmly be in the more weight should be put on the league results.
Plenty of poor/average teams over the years have ended up getting to a provincial final because of a kind draw/becaue they were less worse than the opposition on a given day.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 29, 2023, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 29, 2023, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Clearly a flaw in the competitions is allowing provincial finalists a backdoor out of the Tailteann and into the Sam Maguire. Should only be the provincial winners (and last year's Taliteann winners of course) that can skip their league placing.
I don't agree actually. With your logic here, you're putting more weight on League results than actual Championship results in the previous 3 weeks in that actual Championship. Championship is the main competition, and that should be rewarded so. A team getting to a final should be rewarded for having a good year.
I will quantify that by saying the draws should be seeded to prevent a Division 4 team getting to a final by not playing anyone decent, like Connacht this year. Seed the draws, and if you then make it through to a final by beating quality teams, then you fully deserve your place there
I'd firmly be in the more weight should be put on the league results.
Plenty of poor/average teams over the years have ended up getting to a provincial final because of a kind draw/becaue they were less worse than the opposition on a given day.
It works on many ways, as when the finalists are known, the Tailteann can start as all their teams are known. It needs to start off earlier. And I simply would rather base the qualification on the Championship matches played last few weeks, than League which will have been 3 to 4 months before. Imagine if a team comes through preliminary in Ulster, beating a few Div 1 and 2 teams in our highest level of game, but we say nah, this team had a mediocre Division 2 campaign, barely stayed up, didn't get near their final, but we put them above a finalist?
Like look at Fermanagh. Say they win Division 3 title, then make their way through the minefield of Ulster to a final. You'd rather Meath who just stayed up get a place ahead of them?
If Fermanagh maintain their Division 2 status next year, they will be a better achievement than coming 1st or 2nd in Division 3.
Quote from: Hound on March 30, 2023, 12:42:58 AM
If Fermanagh maintain their Division 2 status next year, they will be a better achievement than coming 1st or 2nd in Division 3.
Hanging on like Meath did is better than winning Division 3 and getting to an Ulster final? Ah come on...
He didn't say Ulster Final.
Meath are 14th in the rankings , winners of D3 Final are 15th.
Fermanagh beating Derry and then Tyrone/Monaghan in the championship would be a bigger achievement than anything in Div2/3 of the league.
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 30, 2023, 09:04:31 AM
Fermanagh beating Derry and then Tyrone/Monaghan in the championship would be a bigger achievement than anything in Div2/3 of the league.
100%. I literally cannot believe we have people wanting to rank some mediocre League results over Championship ones. Championship is the big competition folks. It has to have more ranking and weighting.
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 30, 2023, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 30, 2023, 09:04:31 AM
Fermanagh beating Derry and then Tyrone/Monaghan in the championship would be a bigger achievement than anything in Div2/3 of the league.
100%. I literally cannot believe we have people wanting to rank some mediocre League results over Championship ones. Championship is the big competition folks. It has to have more ranking and weighting.
2 sides to it. Fermanagh reaching an Ulster final by beating Tyrone/Derry/Monaghan or whoever would be some achievement. Leitrim/Sligo reaching a Connacht final by beating a shite team and then getting beat by 20 points in the groups is worthless.
Not sure what the solution is tbh.
It's not about what is rational. The GAA are not going to abandon the provincial championships. That's where the power is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2023, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 30, 2023, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 30, 2023, 09:04:31 AM
Fermanagh beating Derry and then Tyrone/Monaghan in the championship would be a bigger achievement than anything in Div2/3 of the league.
100%. I literally cannot believe we have people wanting to rank some mediocre League results over Championship ones. Championship is the big competition folks. It has to have more ranking and weighting.
2 sides to it. Fermanagh reaching an Ulster final by beating Tyrone/Derry/Monaghan or whoever would be some achievement. Leitrim/Sligo reaching a Connacht final by beating a shite team and then getting beat by 20 points in the groups is worthless.
Not sure what the solution is tbh.
They have to be seeded. It's tough to seed against the lower ranked sides, but must be done considering the prize for a final. the fact is that Connacht have messed things up this year with their slanted draw. At least with seeding, any lower ranked team getting through to a final will have worked for it. Make it a rule that all are seeded and it'll be more equitable.
The 5 Connacht Counties play London and NY in rotation so that's yer seeding out the window.
That's easy, only allow teams in Ireland into the All Ireland. Let New York and London play each other for the Atlantic cup.
Are you going to put London out if the NFL?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2023, 10:16:14 AM
The 5 Connacht Counties play London and NY in rotation so that's yer seeding out the window.
I'm sure there's a way of working this in to account for what's needed, but not getting all the top sides on one side. Tbf, that reason shouldn't be the reason we have lopsided Sam Maguire qualification.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 30, 2023, 10:41:30 AM
That's easy, only allow teams in Ireland into the All Ireland. Let New York and London play each other for the Atlantic cup.
Brits out. Keep Kilburn Irish.