UK General Election 2017

[Owen Brannigan]

Yet again, May can't stop kicking the ball into her own net.  Arranges to visit the site of the Grenfell fire but makes it a private visit where she meets fire and security chiefs only.  Corbyn wipes her eye and goes down to the site and behaves the way a normal human being would, meets survivors and tries to give genuine comfort to people.  When are English people going to wake up the fact that they've put a robot in charge of their country?

There is no doubt she would have been mauled when she turned up.  The general public in the area are very angry.  Khan needed to be flanked by half a dozen police to get him out of the crowd and he was 'attacked' by a very articulate 9/10 year old on his fathers shoulders who was asked by Khan to shake hands and got the reply, 'how many children have been killed, what are you going to do about it'?

Corbyn didn't arrive with a police presence but managed the situation well by going to the rest centres and speaking to the relatives but making sure he had the cameras with him to record his humane approach.

If May had really wanted to show a shred of humanity she has the power to arrange a meeting away from the public with some of the relatives and still brought the cameras.  It happens all the time for the royals etc, rarely do they work outside a controlled bubble.  This mistake by May will virtually seal her fate in the eyes of the UK public and many of her own party concerned about her rush to make a deal with the DUP who would never have voted in Corbyn in confidence votes.

[johnneycool]

Here's another comparison...

One of these men is responsible for the death of over a million people after leading the country with lies into an illegal war.

Clue: It isn't Jeremy Corbyn (he voted and protested against it).

Blair and New Labour were all but Tories in cheap suits, so no surprise there.

When Corbyn announced his left wing manifesto he was ridiculed from all and sundry and Labour were going to get wiped out when somehow it got traction among the working class and the young to get Labour back as serious shadow cabinet and with May leading the Tories or trying to there'll be another election within a year (not with her leading them though) it'll be interesting to see how that goes.

[maddog]

When are English people going to wake up the fact that they've put a robot in charge of their country?

They are getting there.

[OgraAnDun]

Here's another comparison...

One of these men is responsible for the death of over a million people after leading the country with lies into an illegal war.

Clue: It isn't Jeremy Corbyn (he voted and protested against it).

Blair and New Labour were all but Tories in cheap suits, so no surprise there.

When Corbyn announced his left wing manifesto he was ridiculed from all and sundry and Labour were going to get wiped out when somehow it got traction among the working class and the young to get Labour back as serious shadow cabinet and with May leading the Tories or trying to there'll be another election within a year (not with her leading them though) it'll be interesting to see how that goes.

Spot on.

[Franko]

Yet again, May can't stop kicking the ball into her own net.  Arranges to visit the site of the Grenfell fire but makes it a private visit where she meets fire and security chiefs only.  Corbyn wipes her eye and goes down to the site and behaves the way a normal human being would, meets survivors and tries to give genuine comfort to people.  When are English people going to wake up the fact that they've put a robot in charge of their country?

There is no doubt she would have been mauled when she turned up.  The general public in the area are very angry.  Khan needed to be flanked by half a dozen police to get him out of the crowd and he was 'attacked' by a very articulate 9/10 year old on his fathers shoulders who was asked by Khan to shake hands and got the reply, 'how many children have been killed, what are you going to do about it'?

Corbyn didn't arrive with a police presence but managed the situation well by going to the rest centres and speaking to the relatives but making sure he had the cameras with him to record his humane approach.

If May had really wanted to show a shred of humanity she has the power to arrange a meeting away from the public with some of the relatives and still brought the cameras.  It happens all the time for the royals etc, rarely do they work outside a controlled bubble.  This mistake by May will virtually seal her fate in the eyes of the UK public and many of her own party concerned about her rush to make a deal with the DUP who would never have voted in Corbyn in confidence votes.

Corbyn, Khan and the now the Queen of all people have managed to go and actually meet the people involved.  May couldn't.  So what if she was 'mauled'.  It's not as if they were going to lynch her.  The 'bloody difficult woman' from the 'strong and stable' party was found quivering in the cupboard again.

[seafoid]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/18/michael-gove-dup-getting-into-bed-sordid

[Applesisapples]

Sectarianism is a natural product of two competing allegiances.These allegiances are nonsensical as they are to two countries who do not want the Northern Irish,or regard them as "their" people.That is fact.There is no solution to N Ireland with these allegiances.Abolishing N Ireland for an All Ireland (which the South doesn't want) will produce one million disgruntled unionists,who will never acquiesce.Similarly continuing with British Rule leaves nationalists disgruntled,even though bizarrely this is what they voted for in endorsing the Good Friday Agreement.

Therefore Unionism or Nationalism will not solve the problem,only some form of an independent North,without toxic competing allegiances,where everyone is equal,under agreed new flags and emblems,offers any hope.

Tiresome nonsense, I'd like to see you replace those flegs in your beloved Portadown.

[T Fearon]

Er if N I is independent there will be no point in marking out territory with flags of other countries.An independent North makes Unionism and Nationalism redundant.

[Hardy]

... An independent North makes Unionism and Nationalism redundant.

Yep. Except among Unionists and Nationalists.

[T Fearon]

Are there not unionists in the 26 counties who live happily there,without resorting to subversion?

[armaghniac]

Are there not unionists in the 26 counties who live happily there,without resorting to subversion?

No doubt there are, why should they subvert a democratic society? Which is why adding some more in a United Ireland is perfectly feasible if it is done according to the GFA.

[yellowcard]

Er if N I is independent there will be no point in marking out territory with flags of other countries.An independent North makes Unionism and Nationalism redundant.

Pure nonsense.

[T Fearon]

The GFA was a fudge.Has it not always been the case that NI was part of the UK because a majority there favoured this.That implies a United Ireland has been available anytime before or after the GFA,if a majority so desires and accordingly,if memory serves me right,a border referendum took place in the early 70s.

There isn't and never has been a desire for unity from unionists (now supplemented by a significant number of Northern catholics who are economic unionists),or any Dublin government of any hue,far less a plan.The fact that the North is under Dublin's Foreign Affairs brief says it all.

[yellowcard]

Er if N I is independent there will be no point in marking out territory with flags of other countries.An independent North makes Unionism and Nationalism redundant.

If you think nationalists and unionist's will cease aspiring to be part of either an Irish unified state or the UK if an independent country is declared tomorrow, you're living in cloud cuckoo land. That's ok for you to say as an Alliance Party supporter, but the vast majority of people will not stop aspiring to be part of a reunified state or the UK just because an independent country is declared. 

[armaghniac]

There isn't and never has been a desire for unity from unionists

Thanks for that insight, a lot of posters here would not have known that.

(now supplemented by a significant number of Northern catholics who are economic unionists)

These people are likely to be pretty fickle on the matter. Once they thought NI more prosperous than the 26 counties, now they fear the loss of handouts which still leave them worse off than those in free Ireland.

The fact that the North is under Dublin's Foreign Affairs brief says it all.

The North is under the rule of a foreign government hence Foreign Affairs deal with that government.