Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

Started by Main Street, February 12, 2022, 09:38:45 PM

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Horse Box

Quote from: armaghniac on May 30, 2024, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Horse Box on May 29, 2024, 11:38:20 AMThe shelling of Civilian areas by Ukraine/US/NATO is okay with you then ?

No, of course it is not. Some things will occur in a war that should not and they should be stopped as far as possible. However, the bulk of the blame lies with the country that started the war by invading another one and the war can be stopped by that county withdrawing its forces.

In the twilight zone rambling that we are seeing here, there is a lot of crap about America encouraging Ukraine to join NATO. As far as I know, nobody has ever said that Ukraine should join NATO, but the Ukrainians want to join. In the 1990s Ukraine decommissioned its nuclear weapons and much of its munitions, and it received security guarantees from the US and Russia. Given that Russia has shown every intention of reneging on its agreement Ukraine inevitably sought protection from their other guarantor, WTF do you expect them to do? Lie down and let Russia occupy them?

 :P https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/why-ukraine-must-join-nato/

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Quote from: armaghniac on May 30, 2024, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Horse Box on May 29, 2024, 11:38:20 AMThe shelling of Civilian areas by Ukraine/US/NATO is okay with you then ?

No, of course it is not. Some things will occur in a war that should not and they should be stopped as far as possible. However, the bulk of the blame lies with the country that started the war by invading another one and the war can be stopped by that county withdrawing its forces.

In the twilight zone rambling that we are seeing here, there is a lot of crap about America encouraging Ukraine to join NATO. As far as I know, nobody has ever said that Ukraine should join NATO, but the Ukrainians want to join. In the 1990s Ukraine decommissioned its nuclear weapons and much of its munitions, and it received security guarantees from the US and Russia. Given that Russia has shown every intention of reneging on its agreement Ukraine inevitably sought protection from their other guarantor, WTF do you expect them to do? Lie down and let Russia occupy them?

Ukraine gave up the Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its soil of which Ukraine had physical but no effective operational control .

Horse Box

Moldova unfortunately getting taught how to do democracy just like Ukraine by their US/NATO Overlords :

https://www.eureporter.co/world/moldova/2024/05/15/moldovan-government-shuts-down-7-additional-tv-channels/

More shut down yesterday !

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Quote from: theskull1 on May 31, 2024, 09:57:24 AMUS and many posters here are all in on bringing us closer to nuclear disaster. It's the only way it seems  :o

100%  :-\

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Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2024, 11:35:54 AMSame people here who are cheering on Putin will tell you Chavez was a great leader in Venezuela because he stood up to the US. Forget about the fact the country is/was a kleptocratic police state that violently repressed its own citizens.

What a Utopia Iran turned out to be after the Anglo/American covert operation that overthrew the Elected Government in the 1950`s !

armaghniac

Quote from: Horse Box on May 31, 2024, 04:22:32 PMWhat a Utopia Iran turned out to be after the Anglo/American covert operation that overthrew the Elected Government in the 1950`s !

Which of course has nothing to do Ukraine, except that Iran are supplying the materials to invade it.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

Quote from: Horse Box on May 31, 2024, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 30, 2024, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Horse Box on May 29, 2024, 11:38:20 AMThe shelling of Civilian areas by Ukraine/US/NATO is okay with you then ?

No, of course it is not. Some things will occur in a war that should not and they should be stopped as far as possible. However, the bulk of the blame lies with the country that started the war by invading another one and the war can be stopped by that county withdrawing its forces.

In the twilight zone rambling that we are seeing here, there is a lot of crap about America encouraging Ukraine to join NATO. As far as I know, nobody has ever said that Ukraine should join NATO, but the Ukrainians want to join. In the 1990s Ukraine decommissioned its nuclear weapons and much of its munitions, and it received security guarantees from the US and Russia. Given that Russia has shown every intention of reneging on its agreement Ukraine inevitably sought protection from their other guarantor, WTF do you expect them to do? Lie down and let Russia occupy them?

Ukraine gave up the Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its soil of which Ukraine had physical but no effective operational control .
And was given security guarantees by the West.

Horse Box

Quote from: armaghniac on May 31, 2024, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: Horse Box on May 31, 2024, 04:22:32 PMWhat a Utopia Iran turned out to be after the Anglo/American covert operation that overthrew the Elected Government in the 1950`s !

Which of course has nothing to do Ukraine, except that Iran are supplying the materials to invade it.

Maybe if the good ole US had of stayed out of it in the 50`s Iran might not be suppling anyone with weapons ;) !

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Another Ukrainian happy to enlist in the Narco Fuhrer`s Army :

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112050

dec


burdizzo

Surely a 'peace summit' without Russia is a complete waste of time?!